[04:27] <sbalneav_> Evening all
[08:26] <freet15> anybody ?
[09:01] <highvoltage> morning all
[09:01] <highvoltage> what is the latest image I should rsync to for testing this morning?
[09:06] <freet15> highvoltage: hi
[09:11] <highvoltage> hi freet15 
[09:11] <freet15>  I want to add some hotkeycode for my notebook, so I use "showkey --keycode" to get the keycode...
[09:12] <freet15> but it doesn`t work.... I had change the /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup to match, and add the keycode(Keycodes are shown by showkey --keycode.) in /usr/share/keycode-setup/.....hk
[09:14] <freet15> highvoltage:Did you have done this before ?
[09:17] <highvoltage> freet15: hmmm.. that might be a better question for #ubuntu
[09:17] <highvoltage> freet15: I've done it a long time ago on slackware a few laptops back, I don't know what the correct way is to do it on Ubuntu though
[09:20] <freet15> highvoltage:Thanks  anyway :) I have searched some mail-list or website to read, if I can`t get usefull infomation, I must ask somebody at#Ubuntu
[10:35] <sky123> Hello. I am new "admin" of sorts to the edubuntu world.  I just became involved with the world of charter schools, and thought it would be a really cool idea to use Zope for CM. Anyone doing this with multiple sites?? 
[10:36] <sky123> Alo Id like to discuss the addition of grading, attendance, calendar...etc...any ideas??
[10:47] <sky123> How are you folks dealing with the whole grading...for teachers issue??
[10:56] <freet15> cool ~
[11:11] <lucasvo> sky123: there is a tool called Schooltool whihc afaik supports grading
[11:11] <lucasvo> I'd also look at moodle
[11:11] <lucasvo> sky123: I haven't used it though
[11:53] <sky123> lucasvo: sorry for not responding sooner...will do 
[11:54] <sky123> have you tried the thin client??
[12:02] <lucasvo> sky123: yes
[12:02] <lucasvo> I use one right now
[12:02] <sky123> and what kind of server class do you need to support say 12 pcs??
[12:03] <sky123> i know it recommends xeon....but that is like a p4 or higher right??
[12:03] <sky123> ie...for pxe boot etc
[12:04] <sky123> any recommendations?? 
[12:08] <stgraber> ogra: ping
[12:16] <highvoltage> sky123: a P4 should be fine for 12 PC's. if it has hyperthreading it's also a big +
[12:17] <highvoltage> sky123: and you'd want abot 1.5GB RAM for 12 PC's. a bit less could also work if you use Xfce instead of Gnome.
[12:18] <sky123> okay.. sounds like a good plan...but with respect to the actual pcs...being used by kids....the saving of docs etc...do you folks usually block that or use a repository of some sort... 
[12:19] <highvoltage> a document repository?
[12:19] <sky123> Also this grading thing....minus schooltool and Bessie the Annihlator...there is severe lack of a good grading, attendance,etc tool out ther.. 
[12:20] <stgraber> I'm installing a daily build of Edubuntu for testing, is there anything else than : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuTesting I should try ?
[12:20] <sky123> highvoltage: ie using the PXE boot server with NFS or something to store the students documents... 
[12:20] <highvoltage> sky123: the problem with those kinds of tools is that it's 'unsexy', and very few people are willing to volunteer on tools like that, which is exactly why Mark Shuttleworth is sponsoring Schooltool development
[12:20] <sky123> highvoltage: considering it is a thin client on the students end..once they type say a paper...where do they save??
[12:21] <sky123> highvoltage:  your previous comment about the school tool... I fully agree. 
[12:21] <highvoltage> sky123: oh I see what you mean, when you boot to the server, your entire session actually runs on the server, so all files are stored on the server without using NFS, since OpenOffice, etc is actually running on the server, not on the client
[12:22] <highvoltage> sky123: it's a bit of a strange concept to grok if you haven't tried it yet, but as soon as you boot up a thin client and poke around a bit, it becomes very easy to understand.
[12:23] <sky123> highvoltage: I used to be a former high school teacher in a "project based" school...and the need for those tools is immense.....the one that people use now is for apple...and its client server as well....while powerful its such a "closed" product...I am very very interested in making a contribution in this area...
[12:24] <sky123> highvoltage: thnx for the clarification 
[12:24] <sky123> :) 
[12:24] <highvoltage> sky123: great! well, you seem to be well aware of schooltool, have you joined the schooltool mailing list yet? that would be a good way to get involved.
[12:24] <highvoltage> sky123: I think they desperately need more people that understand education well that can make suggestions and give feedback on improvement, you sound like you could contribute well there.
[12:27] <sky123> highvoltage: not yet...but I will be sure to do this....to be quite honest...I have now dedicated a significant portion of my life to this effort.. of integrating tools such as samba,wikis.v-bulletin,schooltool, to make a "package" of sorts for small schools.. I just think the social constructivist nature of these tools have tremendous power. Throw that in with tools like asterisk and you have a complete solution 
[12:27] <highvoltage> sky123: absolutely :)
[12:28] <highvoltage> sky123: if you just compare the current loose open source tools that's available now to all the tools that collectively existed 10-12 years ago, then the future certainly looks bright
[12:28] <sky123> highvoltage: I will definitely be on that mailing list...in addition my wife is a teacher....and does the "this what our stuff does now" and this is what we need. 
[12:29] <highvoltage> sky123: great. You might also want to speak to RichEd from Edubuntu, I think he'll appreciate your educational input too.
[12:29] <sky123> highvoltage: 110% agree. As a teacher I struggled to understand this stuff...then I quit my job, and dwelved into linux for the past 12 years.. 
[12:29] <sky123> now i want to give back.. 
[12:29] <sky123> :) 
[12:29] <highvoltage> sky123: there's also a channel called #ubuntu-education, you might be interested in that, there's also a mailing list for it at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <sky123> nice. 
[12:29] <highvoltage> :)
[12:30] <sky123> I have a bunch of concepts and ideas... 
[12:30] <sky123> for example - The states in the US have standards... and what people are attempting to do is to use the standards across various subject areas to create lesson etc... 
[12:31] <highvoltage> sky123: I also work on a project in South Africa where we install open source labs in schools, and create a whole management and support system around their computer labs
[12:31] <highvoltage> sky123: perhaps your insight and experience will be helpful to us too
[12:31] <sky123> so....one the concepts are tied to a search engine.. and returns concepts....and also will look against lessons created against an edubuntu server...etc..etc...
[12:31] <sky123> :) 
[12:31] <sky123> stuff like that 
[12:32] <sky123> Absolutely....whatever this community needs...lemme know :) 
[12:32] <sky123> it is by and far the most important project i have worked on 
[12:32] <highvoltage> great :)
[12:33] <highvoltage> sky123: where are you located?
[12:33] <highvoltage> US?
[12:33] <sky123> highvoltage: just read your comment...that is exactly along the lines for what I am attempting to do with a friend...I live in Los Angeles
[12:34] <sky123> highvoltage: Just to give you an idea....many schools ie charters are opening here...they cater to students are not able to "function" in schools with 40 to 1 ratios 
[12:34] <sky123> so they are opening charters with   social constructivist nature 
[12:35] <sky123> and have their own governance structure.. 
[12:35] <sky123> this stuff is absolutely perfect in those environments 
[12:35] <highvoltage> interesting.
[12:35] <highvoltage> there in LA specifically, or California, or US?
[12:35] <sky123> the idea is to figure out how to directly support these type of orginizations which promote learning through projects, induction etc.. 
[12:36] <sky123> highvoltage: specifically San Dimas California...near Pomona...about 40 mins east of Los Angeles.....lol 
[12:37] <sky123> highvoltage: as for the schools they are now EVERYWHERE..in the us 
[12:37] <highvoltage> heh :)
[12:37] <sky123> see if this sounds like linux to you 
[12:38] <highvoltage> sky123: are you going to visit us regularly in #edubuntu, I'd really like for you to speak to RichEd.
[12:38] <sky123> there is an educational theory called the Zone of proximal development where a community of learners works together to advance their cognitive abilites...
[12:38] <highvoltage> I'm not that clued up on education per se
[12:38] <sky123> lol....that is Linux!....except they call it ZPD in education... lol
[12:39] <highvoltage> but I have lots of ideas where it can be better.
[12:39] <highvoltage> ZPD?
[12:39] <highvoltage> oh I see.. (missed a line)
[12:39] <sky123> the idea would be to inject directly into these founded educational theories and give real meat to why Linux should/would support such things.. 
[12:39] <highvoltage> sky123: I'd be very interested in that theory for the tuxlab project
[12:39] <sky123> communal learning which now huge in the states 
[12:40] <sky123> yeah....hang on sec and Ill pull up the theorist's name...he's Russian... 
[12:40] <sky123> actually one guy you need to look up is LeonTev
[12:41] <sky123> the other is .. Vygotsky 
[12:41] <sky123> read up on that...very very cool stuff 
[12:41] <sky123> google search should be sufficient :) 
[12:41] <highvoltage> ok
[12:42] <sky123> Like you and I both re-iterated...the tools are all there....they just need to "packaged"
[12:42] <highvoltage> sky123: yes, that's what my dayjob is largely about :)
[12:42] <sky123> highvoltage: okay..wont keep you thanx 
[12:43] <sky123> :) 
[12:43] <sky123> nice 
[12:43] <sky123> okay so I met the right person 
[12:43] <sky123> This is very very cool...We definitely need to keep in touch. 
[12:43] <highvoltage> sky123: we've got a package together that largely work here in South Africa, we'll adapt it to other countries and make it more generic after time
[12:44] <highvoltage> yep. I'm nearly always in this channel, so it would be cool if you can hang around and meet the other people too.
[12:44] <sky123> highvoltage: great....will do 
[12:44] <highvoltage> there's a lot of the 'right' people that hang out here.
[12:45] <sky123> the grading,attendance,calendering tool is HUGE...the best example of one that teachers like is by Apple though its called PowerSchool 
[12:45] <sky123> if someone even makes a "clone" of it..that will more than suffice. 
[01:01] <sky123> Just of curiosity the school tool "beta version" and source code...where can I get that??
[01:06] <lucasvo> isn't it hosted at launchpad?
[01:07] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/products/schooltool
[01:07] <sky123> lucasvo: ill have to look there...the beta version seems to have some of the functionality that I asked on here for...but Id like to look at the source code and see what can be done... 
[01:08] <sky123> :) 
[01:08] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/people/vcs-imports/+branch/schooltool/main
[01:08] <sky123> which i guess is NOT the stable release that just includes the calendering??
[01:08] <sky123> ahhhh....nice...cool 
[01:08] <sky123> lucasvo: nice 
[01:08] <sky123> thnx
[01:09] <sky123> okay...looks like i need at least a few hours of sleep....you guys have been awesome and will see you here a little later.. 
[01:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm installing a daily build of Edubuntu for testing, is there anything else than : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuTesting I should try ?
[01:13] <lucasvo> cya sky123 
[01:21] <highvoltage> stgraber: well, anything you can think of. I suggest you try openening every program on the menu's and see if funny things happen
[01:21] <highvoltage> especially gcompris, I've had some unconfirmed problems with that
[01:22] <highvoltage> I'm also having some trouble with the installer. I have two network cards installed, and both are detected, but the installer tells me that it can't find a controller to configure dhcpd on
[01:26] <stgraber> ok
[01:26] <stgraber> I will active my onboard network card to check if I have the same issue with two network cards
[01:29] <highvoltage> great!
[01:29] <stgraber> hmm, first problem, there is only one Switzerland keyboard
[01:30] <stgraber> and it selects the swiss german one
[01:30] <stgraber> but I have a swiss french one :)
[01:34] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[01:34] <highvoltage> I can't understand why the world needs *so many* keyboard layouts
[01:34] <stgraber> dunno, but mine is missing :)
[01:34] <highvoltage> :)
[01:35] <stgraber> Usually I have swiss french and swiss german, but this time I only have Switzerland :)
[01:35] <highvoltage> stgraber: did you try to manually choose a layout? perhaps there's one listed there?
[01:35] <jsgotangco> yo!
[01:36] <stgraber> hi
[01:37] <stgraber> other strange, thing, I can't access the "Configure the keyboard" option in the installer
[01:37] <stgraber> It send me back to my Configure networking page
[01:38] <stgraber> ok, so two bugs : 1) Swiss french keyboard is missing (in the F3 option at least), 2) It's impossible to access the "Configure the keyboard" option of the installer
[01:38] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco!
[01:38] <stgraber> do you know where the keymaps are on the CD ? They aren't in /usr/share/keymaps/
[01:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey dude! how's it going, i see you've added a news page in the cms!
[01:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yes, finally!
[01:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: now that I've got internet at home I can get the news flowing again
[01:40] <jsgotangco> hmm my sched is getting sane nowadays as well
[01:40] <highvoltage> going for 13 months without internet is a pain. I think I'll still be talking about those 13 dark months in old age home one day :)
[01:41] <highvoltage> mine is also getting saner. and summer holidays are on their way. yippee!
[01:41] <jsgotangco> hey you had GPRS
[01:41] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:41] <highvoltage> then I'll have time + Internet
[01:41] <highvoltage> yes, but the gprs was paaaainful
[01:41] <jsgotangco> im cleaning up my LP membership heh
[01:42] <highvoltage> I need to go through LP and wiki too at some point
[01:43] <jsgotangco> yeah its full of cruft
[01:43] <jsgotangco> i managed to finish translations as well today for jokosher
[01:44] <highvoltage> oh cool. I like the way you're envolved *everywhere* in Ubuntu (or so it seems at least)
[01:44] <stgraber> highvoltage: for these two bugs, should I report them for Ubuntu or Edubuntu ?
[01:44] <highvoltage> I think this december I'll have a chance to play around in different areas too.
[01:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: Ubuntu
[01:44] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: translation is the easiest way to be in the loop actually
[01:44] <stgraber> ok
[01:45] <jsgotangco> even upstream
[01:45] <highvoltage> stgraber: I don't think you can specify Edubuntu specifically, if you choose the package that is affected in Ubuntu, it will be the same package that's in Edubuntu
[01:45] <jsgotangco> hey ulinskie
[01:46] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: heh too bad we're not going to MV next month, but if things go well, i'll meet up with sabdfl before the month ends
[01:46] <pygi> hey jsgotangco 
[01:46] <jsgotangco> pygi: hi!
[01:46] <pygi> long time no see ^_^
[01:47] <jsgotangco> i've been busy and online time for ubuntu is limited to night and weekends
[01:47] <jsgotangco> pygi: have you looked into the amenity packaging?
[01:48] <pygi> jsgotangco: yes and no
[01:48] <pygi> I think I packaged two components, and then stopped because of moving
[01:48] <jsgotangco> ahh
[01:50] <jsgotangco> hmm the FF fonts in edgy are awesome
[01:50] <stgraber> highvoltage: I reported for debian-installer (for the "Configure the keyboard" stuff) and for syslinux (for the missing swiss french option), I hope that's the good package :)
[01:52] <highvoltage> stgraber: I just saw in Launchpad :)
[01:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ah! I'm glad you say that. I noticed it looked awesome too, but I thought it was just my imagination.
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i wonder if it now uses cairo rendering
[01:54] <jsgotangco> it looks so cairo-ish
[01:54] <jsgotangco> does FF use Pango?
[01:55] <stgraber> if I'm not wrong cairo will be used for Firefox 3 (at least I read something like that somewhere)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> launchpad looks alive in FF2
[01:56] <ulinskie> hey jsgotangco
[02:01] <stgraber> Maybe an info text should be added to the box that shows the "Generating LTSP chroot", like "This can take several minutes, please wait"
[02:01] <stgraber> otherwise people will think the installer crashed at 50%
[02:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: or worse... yesterday, I was intalling edubuntu on a machine that actually froze while building chroot (hardware failure), and I waited a long time for it to finish
[02:05] <lucasvo> 14:05 < highvoltage> stgraber: or worse... yesterday, I was intalling edubuntu on a machine that actually froze while building chroot (hardware failure),  and I waited a long time for it to finish
[02:05] <lucasvo> ups
[02:05] <highvoltage> when I noticed how much time has gone by, I pressed caps lock and noticed that that doesn't even work.
[02:05] <lucasvo> *oops
[02:06] <stgraber> or, maybe some way to update the status bar with the status of the building
[02:30] <stgraber> dhcpd works fine with two network cards here
[02:31] <stgraber> I choosed the one that's connected to the net during the install and dhcpd is now running on the other one
[02:46] <pygi> jsgotangco: I got just one SoC shirt btw :'(
[02:46] <pygi> I wanted three =)
[02:48] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[02:49] <pygi> jsgotangco: well, I had three students :P
[02:49] <pygi> next year I'll apply myself under different names and addresses :P
[02:49] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:49] <jsgotangco> that's a good idea
[03:13] <stgraber> highvoltage: I found another bug, the keymap isn't the same on the server and on the clients
[03:13] <stgraber> I have my swiss german one on the server and an en_US one on the clients
[03:19] <highvoltage> stgraber: iirc, that's already filed as a bug, you might want to search in launchpad and confirm the current bug
[03:22] <stgraber> do you know for what package it has been filed ? I can't find it
[03:23] <highvoltage> I don't know, it might be under the ltsp package
[03:27] <stgraber> I searched in all ltsp bugs and in all Edgy bugs that contained en_US, en US, keymap or keyboard and I still can't find it :(
[03:31] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, I suggest you create the new bug then. if the other one pops out somehow, you could always merge them again
[03:34] <stgraber> done
[03:58] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:01] <highvoltage> geez, you know you need a break when you type 'apt-get install apt-get install icewm' and you're wondering what you're doing wrong
[04:01] <highvoltage> howdy mr bddebian 
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[04:54] <lguerra> hi all
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> hi lguerra
[04:55] <highvoltage> hello!
[05:03] <stgraber> hi
[05:35] <cbx33> ping ogra
[05:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:55] <lguerra> jeje
[06:03] <jsgotangco> ahh its only midnight and im still bored
[06:04] <lguerra> why jsgotangco?
[06:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: how does the area around you look after the weather accidents that happened?
[06:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: did your city mostly recover from it already?
[06:07] <juliux> hi jsgotangco 
[06:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: well a few hours after the typhoon, a lot of electric posts and billboards got trashed
[06:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: so the government started dismantling the really huge billboards
[06:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i lost power for 3 days and phone for more than a week
[06:10] <jsgotangco> but we're pretty used to typhoons we're just not used to billboards getting trashed
[06:10] <lguerra> jsgotangco: where are you?
[06:10] <highvoltage> ah ok. I thought there was structural damage to buildings too.
[06:11] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: well the worse is that big trees got uprooted and billboards flying over
[06:12] <jsgotangco> (we have really huge billboards here in the city)
[06:12] <jsgotangco> (some of them like an imax screen)
[06:12] <jsgotangco> lguerra: manila (philippines)
[06:13] <highvoltage> wow, that's quite big.
[06:13] <highvoltage> (when the weather is good, of course :) )
[06:14] <jsgotangco> its usually good here during the summer (April to June)
[06:14] <jsgotangco> its the "beach" months
[06:14] <highvoltage> :)
[06:15] <jsgotangco> and usually after november 1, the christmas season starts
[06:16] <jsgotangco> on tv you see artists starting to promote their christmas albums already heh
[06:16] <lguerra> jsgotangco*
[06:17] <jsgotangco> lguerra: you never know, the next edubuntu conf might be here ;)
[06:18] <highvoltage> +1 for that!
[06:19] <lguerra> if you see, me not entire you're welcome, not wise that business about the tifon, and now not wise it of edubuntu conf
[06:22] <highvoltage> lguerra: heh, no I'm afraid I'm having trouble understanding you
[06:28] <lguerra> highvoltage:  if they see, I do not find out to me anything, nonwise the one of the typhoon, and now nonwise the one of edubuntu conf
[06:29] <jsgotangco> huh?
[06:30] <nixternal> what?
[06:30] <nixternal> well hello there mr. jsgotangco!
[06:31] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hey dude
[06:33] <nixternal> i feel like mike tyson has whooped on me
[06:33] <jsgotangco> wahahaha
[06:37] <jsgotangco> jeezz it seems bt is a bit borked in edgy
[06:41] <jsgotangco> anyways gotta crash
[06:41] <jsgotangco> see ya
[09:59] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[10:00] <highvoltage> hey pygi 
[11:33] <cbx33> duuuudes
[12:04] <pygi> wb highvoltage :P