LureTonio_: no pb12:15
instructorkwwii: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/burn_baby.png  http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/burn_baby1.png http://forum.beryl-project.org/attachment.php?item=268212:15
LureTonio_: btw, do you already have tickets for UDS?12:15
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nixternalwhat is the purpose of the burn?12:16
instructornixternal: close an application and it burns up12:17
nixternalahh ok, so in otherwords, absolutely useless, just eye candy12:17
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Tonio_Lure: yes, it is an electronic ticket, so I just have to give the number at the airport12:18
nixternalfunctionality + usability + beautifulability == Kubuntu 12:18
instructornixternal: though you can have it occur on open close minimize etc12:18
LureTonio_: when are you arriving? Sat?12:18
Tonio_dunno how to go from the airport to the hotel12:19
Tonio_Lure: when are you arriving ?12:19
kwwiinixternal: hope you like it - you have to live with it for 6 months!12:19
LureSat, from Orlando12:19
Tonio_what time ?12:19
LureTonio_: 1102 - and a friend of mine will have a rental car12:20
LureTonio_: otherwise there is shuttle service from SFO12:21
Tonio_Lure: ah cool12:21
instructorkwwii: not if he's feisty enough :)12:21
instructorFiesty :-(12:21
Tonio_Lure: I arrive at 16:4312:21
kwwiiI thought about getting a rental car12:22
kwwiiI arrive around the same time12:22
kwwiithen again, my brother lives in the area....12:22
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Tonio_Lure: 12:24
Tonio_../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:291: error: no matching function for call to 'K3bDevice::DeviceManager::deviceByName(KURL)'12:24
Tonio_../../src/../libk3bdevice/k3bdevicemanager.h:77: note: candidates are: K3bDevice::Device* K3bDevice::DeviceManager::deviceByName(const QString&)12:24
Tonio_not for this time hehe :)12:24
fdovingnite lure.12:25
LureTonio_: just convert KURL to QString (this is just nice excercise for c++ beginner) ;-)12:25
LureTonio_: hint: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.4-api/kdecore/html/classKURL.html12:26
Tonio_Lure: will do, go to bed now ! :)12:27
Tonio_you did enough12:27
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Tonio_Lure: fyi (even if you sleep) that works :)12:54
Tonio_Lure: thanks for the help, I'll finish the kde integration now12:55
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Tonio_Riddell: I just noticed that kds ftbfs from bzr....01:38
Tonio_Riddell: make[2] : *** No rule to make target `throbber_back_16.png.c.o', needed by `usplash-theme-kubuntu.so'.  Stop.01:39
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that related to your last change ?01:39
RiddellTonio_: it build on upload, check if there'a a diff between the archive and bzr, I might have forgotten to commit something01:41
Tonio_Riddell: okay let me check01:41
Tonio_Riddell: fyi, thanks to the help of lure, k3b integration is over, and works :)01:41
Riddellintegration for cd ripping?01:43
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Tonio_Riddell: yes, for cd ripping01:49
Tonio_Riddell: seems to work taking your package and applying my yesterday changes....... I'm commiting this01:49
RiddellTonio_: commit where?01:53
Tonio_Riddell: heh, to bzr :)01:54
Tonio_I'm not going to upload, don't mind :)01:54
Tonio_I don't wanna lose my upload rights hehe :)01:54
Riddellk3b is in bzr?01:58
Tonio_Riddell: no, kds in bzr ;)02:01
Tonio_k3b will go to my repo, nothing else lol02:02
Tonio_Riddell: 02:02
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Tonio_  usplash/throbber_fore_16.png02:02
Tonio_  usplash/usplash_640_400.png02:02
Tonio_bzr doesn't want to commit png changes..........02:02
Tonio_the png files in the package and in bzr are different02:02
Tonio_but impossible to update02:02
Tonio_or maybe they simply are not there.......; I'm checking02:06
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Tonio_Riddell: okay the three png files are not on bzr, that's why the build fails.......; I just would like to know why I can't commit them......02:09
nixternalbzr commit02:12
nixternalbzr push <- the real commit02:12
nixternali went a week committing with bzr and nothing showing up ;)02:12
Tonio_nixternal: what does it changes ?02:14
nixternalbzr commit commits the changes, but doesn't send them to the server02:14
Tonio_hu ?02:14
nixternalbzr push is what send the commit tot he server02:14
nixternalbzr push sftp://branch_location02:15
Tonio_nixternal: bah 'ive bzr commit yesterday and the changes are in02:15
nixternalis it giving you an error?02:15
Tonio_yesterday no02:15
Tonio_today yes, becauce there is something going wrong with those png files02:16
Tonio_nixternal: to make it simple02:16
Tonio_I bzr sftp://.........02:16
Tonio_I had 3 png files in usplash02:17
Tonio_bzr commit02:17
Tonio_-> nothing to commit02:17
Tonio_this is the response02:17
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nixternalsorry Tonio_..phone call02:28
nixternaldid you02:28
nixternalbzr add the png files02:28
nixternalsince they are new02:29
Tonio_bzr nope I didn't, I may try indeed02:33
Tonio_nixternal: but bzr commit is supposed to handle new files.......; I'll try anyway02:34
Tonio_nixternal: looks like it worked...02:36
Tonio_nixternal: ah okay I didn't knew we had to bzr add the files before commit.......02:37
Tonio_nixternal: I'm a total nocive with bzr.... okay it worked this time, thanks :)02:37
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Tonio_hehe, this is exactly where I live02:46
Tonio_I choosed the good place, just sad that I'm not a student anymore....02:46
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nixternalya Tonio_, i am a novice as well with bzr, i just realized i need to checkout and not branch03:08
Tonio_nixternal: hehe :)03:09
Tonio_nixternal: pfiou..... good day for packaging....; I'm adding kdebase, kdelibs, kdeaddons, kdeutils, k3b, amarok kubuntu-default-settings packages to my repo ;)03:10
Tonio_ready for feisty03:10
Tonio_hehe, that spec will be done quickly03:11
nixternaldinner time...bbiaf ;)03:15
Tonio_nixternal: bye (beds)03:16
ryanakcanobody knows the answer in #ubuntu+1, so, Why can't I play *.mp3 in amarok anymore? (Yes, I have libxine-extracodecs and libmad installed)03:21
crimsunonly in amarok?03:21
crimsunwhat's the console spew?03:22
Mezryanakca, what engine are you using for amarok ?03:22
ryanakcaand someone else had the same problem earlier in #ubuntu+1 ... about 4 hours ago...03:23
ryanakcaThis started last night... I upgraded and rebooted... forget if amarok or xine or something else related was upgraded...03:24
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ryanakcacrimsun: hmm... it seems to work and then not work and then work again...03:44
ryanakcacrimsun: no console output... I'll let you know how if it starts again...03:45
Mezryanakca, when I first installed edgy, amarok wouldnt play OGGs03:45
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Hobbseehmm.  kmenu artwork changed05:15
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Jucatodo we have a spec page for the generic kernel?05:16
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nixternalgeneric kernel doesn't work for me05:17
JucatoI don't have it! :)05:17
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nixternalthat was crazy Hawkwind, that stick has a built in GPS unit running Kubuntu...05:18
HawkwindFull or not, that thing hurt05:18
Hawkwindnixternal: Hah.  Notice I don't have possession of it now :P05:18
HawkwindSo I feel sorry for that guy over there ~~~~>05:18
nixternalobviously you haven't seen the "sticks" in harry potter05:18
HawkwindIckkkkkkkkkkk @ Fairy Potter05:19
HawkwindThankfully my kids don't even like Harry.  Unfortunately Liz does though :(05:19
HawkwindI saw the first one, not my type of movie at all05:19
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Jucato2 vs 1. you lose Hawkwind  :P05:20
HawkwindJucato: Story of my life every Monday and Wednesday when I look at the lotto numbers :P05:21
Jucatowell, add Saturday to your list :P05:21
HawkwindI would, but it's only Friday.  Sheeesh, you livin` in the future or what :-)05:22
Jucatolol oh yeah...05:22
Jucatowell then add Friday :P05:22
JucatoHobbsee is living waaaay in the future05:22
Hobbseeliving in the future is fun!05:22
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JucatoI don't think you can get any more "future-y" than that05:23
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Hobbseehand it over.05:23
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freeflyingHobbsee: who take care on amarok now?05:26
Hobbseefreeflying: imbrandon 05:26
freeflyingHobbsee: thanks05:26
freeflyingimbrandon: ping05:26
imbrandonfreeflying ?05:28
freeflyingimbrandon: would u like set the defalut font of amarok to sans serif or sans05:29
imbrandoni beleave Riddell reciently set that system wide, why ?05:30
imbrandonerm why would we chnage the default font is what i'm asking05:30
freeflyingimbrandon: it can't display chinese character defaultly05:30
imbrandonright but shouldent it use what kde sets as the system default05:31
imbrandon( that Riddell just fixed a few days back )05:31
nixternalimbrandon: if and when you get a chance, look over bug 67200, psn made some fixes for this bug and it is in the konvi svn05:31
UbugtuMalone bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy]  v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6720005:31
imbrandonnixternal, ok05:31
imbrandonnixternal, what svn revision is it , you know ?05:32
nixternali created a patch messing around earlier if you want to take a look, and im running it here after the build..works great05:32
nixternalno i don't05:32
nixternali remove extra*/konversation already ;(05:32
imbrandonsure , email it to me if you will , and it would help to know the svn revision you pulled it from for the changelog05:32
nixternalshoot..let me see if i can get it05:33
nixternali only grabbed the channel.cpp and inputfilters.cpp from the src dir that psn redid todoay to close the upstream bug05:33
nixternalremember that ;)05:34
imbrandonthats the svn revision ?05:34
nixternalon its way05:36
nixternali sent you the debdiff as well as the debian/patches/kubuntu_01_autowho.diff as well05:36
nixternali wouldn't have noticed this bug if it wasn't for my bip server dying ;)05:37
imbrandonyea mines dies a few times , i thought it was a bip bug05:38
nixternalthe excess flood?05:38
imbrandonon connect of a new client05:38
nixternalya, it is because the mass /WHO on all the channels with a ton of people05:38
nixternalnow the way psn did it is nice05:38
imbrandonthus i took all my high traffic channels of autojoin05:39
nixternalwhen you connect, it waits for the first 90 seconds...but if someone talks int he chan, then it will autowho them and grab their info05:39
nixternali was joining w/o the /WHO...that is horrid, because i like knowing who some people are and where they are from when i am chattin' with them05:39
imbrandonwhy dident psn upload it ( or get an OK ) ?05:40
nixternalupload it to our repo?05:40
imbrandonahh psn is upstream, i forgot05:40
nixternalhe rocked that out for me quick to05:40
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imbrandonwell if you join it will still /who after 90 seconds ?05:41
imbrandonthat sucks05:41
nixternalbut it is incremental, so it won't kill you05:41
nixternalthe first 77 seconds on irc with konvi is useless anyways05:41
nixternalas it is synching everything05:41
imbrandonnot if you join 20 channels at the same time, it will just wait 90 seconds and then /who them all05:41
nixternalwell, i have 31 channels05:42
nixternaland i didn't even notice it occur05:42
imbrandonwhy the hell does it /who anyhow before someone speaks or you right click and /who them05:42
nixternali was telling psn, that his fix didn't work, and then i dragged the mouse over to the nicklist and everything was working05:42
nixternalthe /who picks up everyones status..w/o it, when you hover above a user, it shows a blank tooltip05:43
nixternaland you don't know is away or here05:43
imbrandonfreeflying, does amarok not use the default kde font ?05:51
freeflyingimbrandon: I'd confirm :)05:55
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Tonio_hi all08:45
Hobbseehey Tonio_ :)08:46
Tonio_grmpf this konqueror bug drives me nuts.....;08:46
Hobbseewhich bug?08:46
Tonio_Hobbsee: did you notice that sometimes konqueror fails to load the kds settings ?08:46
Tonio_especially with preloaded sessions08:47
Tonio_it has been reported a while ago08:47
HobbseeTonio_: cant say i've been watching too closely.  i tend not to use konq08:47
Tonio_Hobbsee: yeah, but I'm sure you heard about the bugs the sometimes, the menus are not complete didn't you ?08:47
Tonio_I'm affraid I'll have to hardcode the settings via a patch to get that fixed...... but I really don't want to...08:48
Tonio_Hobbsee: what are you using ? krusader ?08:48
HobbseeTonio_: konq for file browsing, firefox for web browsing08:48
Hobbseeactually, i've been meaning to look at krusader08:49
Hobbseeapparently it's really good08:49
Tonio_said to be yes08:49
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Lurehi Tonio_ - so it worked?09:16
Tonio_Lure: yep09:17
Tonio_Lure: thanks for the help :)09:18
Tonio_Lure: fancy testing ?09:18
LureTonio_: it probably makes sense to suggest sending it upstream09:18
Tonio_Lure: impossible09:18
LureTonio_: no time for testing - working Saturday for me :-(09:18
Tonio_Lure: in fact the servicemenu I did for integration is to be compatible with _Sime's patches09:18
Tonio_Lure: the --device patch can be send upstream, but no way to merge the service menu09:19
LureTonio_: not everything, just -device option - this would make sense in general09:19
Tonio_yes, probably09:19
Tonio_I'll email the patch and we'll see09:19
nixternalthere they go09:22
nixternalor death to server09:23
freet15 :)09:23
freet15we are so lucky~09:25
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nixternali would say they are having issues, as i have 1s lag09:25
nixternalwb Lure, Tonio_, freeflying, abattoir...ok, im not goign down that list09:26
Hobbseehey nixternal 09:26
Hobbseeyeah, again.09:26
nixternalhiya Hobbsee! ;)09:27
Lurenixternal: hi09:27
freeflyingnixternal: hey09:27
nixternalwell hello there mr. freeflying09:27
LureRiddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as release critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?10:07
UbugtuMalone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6708110:07
UbugtuMalone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6475210:07
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abattoirhi everyone :)10:12
abattoirnixternal: great work on the RC page, as usual ;)10:12
nixternalwhy tink u10:13
fdovingLure: my guidance-power-manager dies when i click the systray icon. It used to work, i think this is a new feature in
Lurefdoving: which platform? Can you start it from Konsole and report output (and please open bug for it)10:24
Lureyes, nixternal really rocks - who cares if good things are done if we are not able to get our message through10:24
fdovingLure: opening a bug as we speak, this is powerpc, no smart console output, only bug 64406 output, and kcrash.10:25
UbugtuMalone bug 64406 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager: dcop problem message when starting in a terminal" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6440610:25
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Lurefdoving: are you able to get backtrace from kcrash?10:26
nixternalthanks Lure, glad i can help out anyway possible10:26
nixternalfor instance, im going to go and keep my bed company now10:26
fdovingLure: no, it doesn't give any usefull info.10:26
nixternalg'nite all, and to all a g'day, g'nite, see ya in a few!10:27
fdovingnite nixternal.10:27
Lurefdoving: hard to debug, since I do not have ppc HW... :-( maybe imbrandon or Riddell can confirm/debug10:27
LureRiddell: why have we changed Deja Vu -> Sans Serif? 10:29
HobbseeLure: because the chinese fonts werent getting rendered correctly10:29
LureHobbsee: thanks, will change my profile then...10:29
fdovingLure: bug 67316 if you're interessted.10:32
UbugtuMalone bug 67316 in kde-guidance "[EDGY]  guidance-powermanager crash on powerpc." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6731610:32
fdovingLure: nevermind, it's a problem with kde-guidance-powermanager and the serenity style/deco. it's not important for edgy.10:35
fdovingchanged the styles and deco now, and it works.10:35
Lurefdoving: I was just wondering what tris serenity is... 10:35
Lurefdoving: good to know10:35
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fdovingLure: thanks for your time. :)10:39
Lurefdoving: nopb10:40
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Hobbseei need an interesting picture12:01
seaLnedoes anyone else using the new ktorrent have times left completly wrong?12:02
Hobbseehttp://zebrafinch.com/SocietyFinch/untitled%20folder/Fawn%20self.GIF might do12:03
seaLneHobbsee: so what are you going to use the "interesting picture" for?12:04
HobbseeseaLne: have you been in -bugs?12:04
Hobbseethis was in a /query12:04
Hobbsee[Sat Oct 21 2006]  [19:58:31]  <cypher1_> do you have pic of you ? :)12:04
Hobbsee[Sat Oct 21 2006]  [19:59:14]  <Hobbsee> hidden safely away.12:04
Hobbsee[Sat Oct 21 2006]  [20:00:27]  <cypher1_> do u have a pic of you ?12:04
seaLneonly idling12:05
HobbseeseaLne: he's switched to /msg after trying to chat me up in bugs12:05
seaLneah :)12:05
HobbseeseaLne: ahh - it's the last lot of stuff that was said12:05
seaLnethe stuff there looked fairly normal12:06
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Hobbseeoddly enough, the guy hasnt replied back :P12:09
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seaLneis  Bug #56168 worth bothering to try to fix for edgy? i don't think so12:13
UbugtuMalone bug 56168 in kdemultimedia "k3b should *not* calculate md5 sum of images by default" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5616812:13
seaLnei think that can survive fine till k3b 1 in feisty12:13
Hobbseewell, it probably wouldnt get accepte12:14
seaLneyeah, i wouldn't accept it :)12:14
HobbseeseaLne: there's various unmet deps stuff still, if you wanted to fix them.12:15
Hobbseethere's a link in -motu12:15
seaLnei need to get other stuff done in the next few hours but i should have time tonight to look at stuff so i'll ask for suggestions then :)12:17
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seaLneBug #6732612:28
UbugtuMalone bug 67326 in ktorrent "ktorrent 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 gets time left wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6732612:28
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freeflyinghave you try to paste an 800-page article to kword?12:33
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LureseaLne: 56168 is not a bug - you can click Start and will continue12:44
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seaLneLure: yeah i know, but it seems to annoy some people12:52
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Ingmar^how do i find out what package the file /usr/lib/libGL.so belongs to ?02:07
HobbseeIngmar^: packages.ubuntu.com - type in libGL.so in the files box02:07
RiddellIngmar^: dpkg -S file02:07
Hobbseethat too02:07
Hobbseehey Riddell 02:07
Riddellafternoon Hobbsee 02:07
Ingmar^thanks Riddell & Hobbsee02:08
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Lurehi Riddell02:26
Lure[10:07]  <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as releas[10:07]  <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as release critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?e critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?02:26
UbugtuMalone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6708102:26
UbugtuMalone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6475202:26
Lure(sorry, double paste)02:26
RiddellLure: CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD is in guidance-power-manager or hal?02:28
LureRiddell: guidance - sebas implemented this for one user, but it set it pretty high...02:28
Riddellfor one user?02:29
LureRiddell: problem is that remaining_time can temporarily jump to very small number and can cause02:30
LureRiddell: threshold was done to prevent doing action if percentage charged is above it02:30
LureRiddell: so if charge is 50+%, then action will not be performed even though remaining_time is 002:30
LureRiddell: it looks like there are many cases where remaining_time might get confused - see all the cases in bug 6044202:31
UbugtuMalone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6044202:31
LureRiddell: with change of threshold to 5% (or 10%) we would solve unwanted hibernation/shutdown (typical action on critical battery) for many users02:32
RiddellLure: so it's currently 50% and you propose to change to 5%?02:33
LureRiddell: they would however still get some not so problematic warnings (notification of low level), but those are not RC02:33
LureRiddell: yes (can be also 10%)02:33
LureProblem is that 50% may be way below what you are left in two battery case (as percentage is cumulative for both batteries)02:34
Riddellsounds like a good fix to me02:34
Riddellsend me a debdiff and I'll upload02:35
Luretwo batteries may have different capacity and when first one empties (typicaly external/larger) which causes remaining_time bug event, then percantage is probably between 30-50%02:35
LureRiddell: ok, thanks02:35
LureRiddell: I will still try to ping sebas why he choose so big timeout, as I can remeber that even the initial reported (for which treshold was implemented) said that it may be too high (but it was good enough for him)02:36
LureRiddell: I will also try to reproduce bug 65885 - if we can fix this one it would be also great...02:38
UbugtuMalone bug 65885 in kde-guidance "hibernation by closing lid not recovering correctly" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6588502:38
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RiddellLure: think it'll be easily fixed?02:41
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LureRiddell: not sure yet - if it is not obvious fix I would wait for -updates02:43
RiddellLure: even -updates can only take fixes are are easy to understand02:44
LureRiddell: sure for that, it is just if it is not couple of obvious lines it is RC candidate, for -updates we can take some time to verify with reporters to cofirm it is correct (and no regression)02:46
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alaincan anyone explain me why Bug #30207 is so difficult to fix   - for me it seems to be an (auto) configuration problem02:52
UbugtuMalone bug 30207 in kdebase "media:/ does not handle floppy mounting correctly" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3020702:52
mhbRiddell: so... would it be possible to change the lines in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ ? (the systemsettings .mo bug)02:55
Riddellmhb: not really, I have no reliable way to do that02:55
mhbRiddell: you can't apply a patch to them?02:56
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mhbRiddell: well the Czech descriptions are really messed up in them02:56
mhbRiddell: totallly ... and nobody asked us to check or correct it02:57
Riddellmhb: I can't apply a patch at this stage no02:58
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Riddell_Sime: :)02:58
Riddellmhb: you might want to look at fixing the strings in KDE to sort it out longer term02:58
_SimeIt is very simple. File a floppy related bug, get a USB-stick in the post. :-)02:59
mhbRiddell: systemsettings are on KDE's SVN?02:59
Hobbsee_Sime: :D03:01
Riddellmhb: yes03:01
_SimeHobbsee: ...a USB-stick and steaming hot cup of STFU.03:02
mhbRiddell: can you give me a small hint on where exactly? I'm always lost in KDE's SVN... (and Launchpad too :o)03:03
Hobbsee_Sime: hehe.  i should give you a link to what i'm reading now.  but it's better if you're in retail yourself :P03:03
LureRiddell: problem is that apci-support lid.sh scripts is missing check for power-manager, but adding check (over dcop) does not help as dcop is not working from acpid :-(03:03
LureRiddell: I suspect dcop works only from user context - acpid reports: ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!03:04
Riddelldcop?  or dbus?03:04
LureRiddell: see /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs03:04
Lurewe are missing check for power-manager (which is fix for bug), but the check through dcop does not work03:05
_Simemhb: k-s-s is in playground/base/systemsettings.03:08
mhb_Sime: thanks03:08
LureRiddell: I am not sure how this worked for klaptopdaemon (but I can imagine that some painful bugs that we have seen were due to both acpi-support and klaptop doing their stuff :-( )03:08
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LureRiddell: according to this (http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/dcop.html), we would need to mess with ICEAUTHORITY environment variable, but the problem is that we do not know which user is logged in03:16
LureRiddell: we could do ps -p `pidof dcopserver` -o user= in order to set ICEAUTHORITY, but this would not work in multi-user environemnt (lstp)03:19
Riddellsounds ugly03:22
LureRiddell: indeed :-(03:24
LureRiddell: if guidance-power-manager would be binary, we could do simple "pidof guidance-power-manager" like kpowersave...03:25
LureRiddell: actually, there is -x option: pidof -x guidance-power-manager.py03:28
Lureit works here!03:28
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ryanakcaok, other than triaging (and anything having to do with editing code), what can I do to help?03:31
Hobbseeryanakca: you can deal with the person in -motu03:32
Hobbseeryanakca: i've never seen anyone else with that problem03:32
ryanakcaHobbsee: [08:58]  <cyberquiet> hi, I ran into problems while upgrading from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5...           ?03:33
Hobbseeryanakca: that's the one03:34
Hobbseeas for *why* it wouldnt have all upgraded with a standard upgrade, i dont know03:34
ryanakcait's wierd...03:35
Hobbseethat's not the way repos work, unless some of it ftbfs03:35
ryanakcaftbfs? failed to build from source?03:36
ryanakcaah, so what packages does this involve? kdebase?03:38
ryanakca(like the one that needs to be fixed)03:38
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Hobbseeryanakca: NFI - it all works on edgy, and those packages are edgy's, built for dapper03:41
ryanakcaNFI? hmmm...03:42
ryanakcaok, this is over my head :)03:42
Hobbseeryanakca: no friendly idea03:42
Hobbseei havent seen it used much here03:42
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Hobbseekde 3.5.503:42
ryanakcaah, so 3.5.5 packages are uploaded to repos? (last I saw: KDE 3.5.5 is also being uploaded to Edgy.)03:46
Hobbseeryanakca: no, there's a separate repo on kubuntu.org03:47
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ryanakcayeah, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php03:47
ryanakcas/dapper/edgy    in the repo lines?03:47
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Hobbseei'm not sure, i never looked it up03:48
Riddell3.5.5 is in edgy03:52
Hobbseetrue that03:54
Hobbsee(not dapper though)03:54
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ryanakcaso am I03:55
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ryanakcahey bddebian03:58
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bddebianHeya ryanakca03:58
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mhbRiddell: Where is the upstream translation of hwdb located?04:51
Riddellmhb: hwdb has no upstream04:51
mhbI'd like to update the upstream file as well04:51
Riddellso just rosetta is as upstream as there is04:51
mhbRiddell: ok04:51
freeflyingRiddell: today's cd can not make everything ootb (for chinese stuffs)  :)04:58
Riddellfreeflying: what do you mean by make?04:58
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freeflyingRiddell: I just did a frech install use alternate-powerpc-cd, chinese stuffs haven't been set up 04:59
freeflyinglike input method, l10n,etc.05:00
Riddellfreeflying: do you have language-support-zh installed?05:00
freeflyingRiddell: I did05:00
ryanakcaok, other than triaging (and anything having to do with editing code), what can I do to help? any more (simple-ish) artwork? 05:01
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Riddellryanakca: artwork is all done except for website which kwwii is still working on05:03
Riddellryanakca: but we do need a release page, like nixternal's release wiki pages but made up of the release notes and images05:04
Riddellryanakca: might want to see if nixternal has plans along those lines05:04
freeflyingRiddell: sorry, it's the fault of mine damn network05:07
Riddellfreeflying: so language-support-zh wasn't installed?05:08
freeflyingRiddell: depends 05:09
ZeroCoolRiddell: just posted this bug, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13603305:09
UbugtuKDE bug 136033 in general "Kontact, RSS news feeds, Crash n Burn, see attach output" [Crash,Unconfirmed]  05:09
Riddellanyone else have two bouncing feedback images when starting an app?05:13
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nukuwill qt 3.3.7 be in edgy?05:34
Riddellnuku: not by number but I'll upload the patch now so it'll be the same thing05:37
Tm_TWhat's the biggest difference?05:43
nukucritical security fix :)05:43
Tm_TI see.05:43
Riddellnot all that critical but important05:43
nukuwell it crashes konqueror and might lead to remote exploits.. 05:44
nukuhmm i guess the fix is still somehow broken.. firefox and opera display this http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=138488 "correct" but konqueror displays just two bars with qt3.3.7 :( or is there an additional patch for kdelibs needed?05:49
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LureRiddell: debdiff for bugs #64752, #67081, #65885: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/kde-guidance.debdiff05:51
UbugtuMalone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6475205:51
UbugtuMalone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6708105:51
UbugtuMalone bug 65885 in kde-guidance "hibernation by closing lid not recovering correctly" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6588505:51
LureRiddell: acpi-support was not the root cause - it was much more obvious ;-)05:51
LureRiddell: will still talk with mjg59 to change acpi-support05:53
RiddellLure: five mins, uploading qt05:53
Riddellfreeflying: can you think of any chinese companies who would want to sponsor akademy 2007?05:54
freeflyingRiddell: in which country05:54
Riddellfreeflying: it's in Scotland05:55
freeflyingRiddell: let me try to find :)05:56
freeflyingRiddell: would you like give me more details :)05:58
Riddellfreeflying: 2006 list at http://conference2006.kde.org/sponsors/05:58
Riddellsee the "call for sponsors" link for the sort of information there05:58
Riddellbut we had Ricoh last year so just wondered if there were other companies in that half of the world05:59
Riddellthat I wouldn't have thought of05:59
ryanakcais amarok compiled with "--enable-debug=full"?06:03
ZeroCoolRiddell: again, I guess I would have to re-install kubuntu using the new RC version ?06:03
nukuRiddell: red flag linux? :-)06:03
Riddellnuku, freeflying: are red flag KDE dudes?06:04
RiddellZeroCool: shouldn't be a need for that06:04
freeflyingRiddell: almost06:04
Riddellryanakca: probably, then the symbols should be stripped by debhelper06:04
ZeroCoolwell, have those 4 bugs, still.06:04
freeflyingRiddell: our company also use kde :)06:05
ryanakcaRiddell: stripped by debhelper?06:05
ZeroCoolRiddell: have those 4 bugs still06:05
freeflyingnuku: u know red flag? :)06:05
ZeroCoolRiddell: and the updates as of today, have not fix them..06:05
nukufreeflying: well i never tried it :) a friend of mine uses it..06:05
nukubut i think they have kde as default desktop afair06:05
freeflyingnuku: yes, they do06:06
mhbnuku: wikipedia says so06:07
nukui see :)06:07
faboRiddell: a new upstream release of strigi as UVFe, possible ? :p06:07
ZeroCoolRiddell: another question, is kde going to speed up... 06:07
nixternalRiddell: yes, i have been planning on the "Master Release Notes" for next week, and if ryanakca wants to help, then wooooohoooooo! ;)06:09
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RiddellZeroCool: yes, Qt 4 is faster06:10
ryanakcanixternal: what is it? a pile of screenshots and captions describing what's new, etc. in edgy?06:10
mhbhm ... is there a tool in Kubuntu for calibrating laptop touchpads?06:11
nixternalhow did you guess?06:11
ZeroCoolRiddell: when qt 406:11
Riddellnixternal: I'd like them to go on kubuntu.org as the announcement in the end, but start on the wiki of course06:11
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nixternalit will recover from Knot 1 all the way to release06:11
Riddellnixternal: just the highlights :)06:11
ryanakcanixternal: kk, have an example of the past ones or what you have so far? (I have a general idea of what it should look like, but not more than that)06:13
ryanakcanixternal: and what needs to be done for it?06:13
Riddellstarting text at help:/kubuntu/krelease-notes/index.html06:13
Riddellprevious one https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu06:13
nixternalthere you go ;)06:14
nixternalsorry, was emailing away06:15
nixternal34324324 more to go06:15
faboRiddell: no way for strigi so ? ;)06:15
RiddellLure: patch looks good06:16
ryanakcanixternal: lol,  and what d'you need? screenshots or something of the sort?06:17
LureRiddell: I tested only lid close one, as remaining_time is not a pb on my laptop, but I am sure that this fix should help on laptops with remaining_time issues (it is just a workaround)06:17
LureRiddell: what is the probability to get accepted?06:18
nixternalone sec06:18
RiddellLure: I'll test and upload and see if it's accepted, it looks small enough to be ok06:18
LureRiddell: I have already commited to kde svn06:18
ZeroCoolridell: downloading RC kubuntu...06:20
nixternalryanakca: i have setup https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release as the working page, only to keep /. and digg out of our business...what i usually do, is instead of using edgy, i will use Badger and 5.10..and when release is upon us, i will replace them with Edgy and 6.1006:22
mhbnixternal: :o))06:22
nixternalotherwise you add something, and some overzealous teenager will find it and digg it ;)06:23
nixternalmake it one of those "omg kubuntu edgy is being released" type stories06:23
nixternallike when michael jackson "USED" to come to town and all the kids would scream and cry...at least thats what i do when kubuntu releases every time06:23
Riddellnixternal: clever06:23
mhbnixternal: that's too paranoid from my point of view :o) that guy could read this channel's logs as well06:24
mhbnixternal: but if people are really like that ... I agree it's better to keep it quiet and hidden06:25
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nixternali would think what we say here would be suspect to it, but i haven't seen it yet06:26
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nixternalmhb: btw that isn't paranoid, that is smart...have you worked within out wiki at all?  now take a /. or a digg to the wiki, now try to work with it06:27
nixternali would rather watch paint dry06:27
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mhbnixternal: can't you use gobby for such things?06:31
nixternali could, but they don't make a kobby yet ;)06:31
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nixternalwe put the wiki up for everyone to collaborate on..so i would rather use it..however with gobby, i could do all of the markup making it a cut and paste job for mr. JR06:32
mhbnixternal: you say it's smart, I say it could slow the work down ... but like I said, when this is the only way it's wise06:33
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Riddellmateedit is gobby-like for KDE06:34
nixternalthank you06:34
nixternalya, i should have noted the "gobby-like", there isn't a kde frontend for obby at all..the obby front end i have seen is gobby..which works just fine in kde, as we use it for the uwn06:35
Riddellyes, it's a shame they don't use a common protocol06:37
nixternalRiddell: would it be easier for you, if i did the markup and everything for the release page?06:37
Riddellnixternal: if it was HTML that would be nice yes06:38
nixternalwhat CMS does k.org use?06:38
LureRiddell: lol06:39
Riddellthe source is in bzr if you want to do it properly, but probably just as easy not to06:39
ryanakcanixternal: back. sorry, sounds good06:40
nixternaloooh...that would rock Riddell06:40
Riddellkubuntu-website product on launchpad06:42
nixternalya, this will make it much easier for you then...as i can just create a patch and send it to you06:43
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ryanakcanixternal: kk, so how do we work on this? I download a copy and add stuff to it, and then what? we both make a patch of to the original copy?07:08
nixternalwe will work from the wiki page..im adding the structure now07:08
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nixternalalrighty ryanakca, i have broken the page down a little bit, so it should be easier to follow..if you can think of more stuff to add to it, then go for it, just keep it as brief and punchy as possible https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release07:16
nixternalonly going to have 4 to 6 small screenshots w/ captions07:17
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ryanakcanixternal: kk08:01
ryanakcanixternal: anything about Kontact or System & Settings new?08:02
nixternalSystem & Settings layout is, but i don't know how "big" that is compared to the stuff like Amarok, KDE, and OOo08:02
nixternalyou can add it, and we can play with it somehow08:03
ryanakcaand, when taking screenshots (ex: adept updater), do we want the whole desktop? or just the window?08:05
nixternalwhole desktop, 1024x76808:05
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nixternaldefault layout, no extra icons or anything like that08:05
mhbnixternal: isn't it better to do it like http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop ?08:05
nixternalfor individual programs i will crop them, but i don't follow ubuntu, i follow kde styling via our documentation standards08:07
mhbnixternal: sorry for distrubing, but I always preferred their way08:07
nixternalbecause if you look at all of ubuntu's screenshots across the various pages, they don't have a standards whatsoever..they take a snapshot, crop it,a nd drop shaddow it, 08:07
nixternalso i could take my screenshot at 1024x768, you do yours at 1280x1024 and so on...if you look at Kubuntu screenies on all the releases, they are from booting into x with 'startx -- -dpi 72'08:08
ryanakcanixternal: does adept updater count as an individual program?08:08
nixternalit would be nice to get an image of the notification as well, the little icon08:09
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ryanakcakk, is the default systray 2 rows or 1?08:09
nixternalthey must have recently fixed those images on /desktop, because they used to be off08:09
mhbnixternal: I don't think standardizing everything is a good idea, though ... sometimes the one approach is better, sometimes the other08:10
nixternalwell, if you don't then you get images that are 400px wide with image 1, and 410px wide, and the variations in the page look horrible, unless of course you float the images08:10
nixternalbut we follow standards when it comes to documentation, we mix a little of the Ubuntu stylization with the KDE stylization here08:11
nixternalfor instance, take a look at Knot1 - Knot3, Beta, and RC pages for edgy..they follow each other, and do not vary by much...now take a look at what happens when you do follow a standard like the EdgyEft/Knot releases for Ubuntu...image wise it is really bad08:12
mhbnixternal: I don't want to argue with you too much, after all you're the one who does the work here. I just mentioned that in my (and only my) opinion when you talk about a specific application it's wiser to crop the desktop a bit08:13
nixternaloh ya, and we will08:14
mhbnixternal: or enlarge the resolution so that it's clear what the application says08:14
mhbnixternal: like http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/applicationsmenu.png08:14
nixternalbut when you take a screenshot with just the active window, ksnapshot hoses the sizes08:14
nixternalok, take a snapshot using knsapshot of your entire desktop, and then take a snapshot of the active window, you will notice the variation in sizes08:15
nixternalunless that has been fixed and i ahven't noticed it08:15
nixternalunless you are using imagemagic and the import function08:16
nixternalmy problem with not showing an image with what it looks like natively on the desktop is that believe it or not, someone will file a bug with "mine doesn't look like the one on the website" ;)08:19
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ryanakcalol, yep08:19
ryanakcawell, the screenshot taking part anywais...08:19
ryanakcaso, I take a fullscreen snapshot with imagemagic, 1024x768, and then I send it to you, and you'll crop it?08:20
nixternaljust attach it to the page08:20
nixternali can grab them from there., or you can send them to me08:20
nixternalno biggie08:20
ryanakcawell, I guess I don't have much choice about creating a new user... I've been using a different kicker layout for so long, I forget how k-d-s has it setup :)08:21
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ryanakcaI started a new session, but for some reason GNOME was the default under KDM, so I log into gnome, log out... then I'm stuck at a black screen... ctrl-alt-F7 didn't do anything, nor did ctrl-alt-f(1-8)...08:33
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mhbryanakca: what if you were under console? alt-f1 didn't work either08:34
ryanakcamhb: I couldn't get under console...08:34
mhbryanakca: well you've opened and closed a X session ... why not?08:34
ryanakcamhb: with kmenu... it did something, but for some reason, the keyboard shortcuts didn't work for me08:35
nixternalthat returns me out of my blackscreen missery at times08:35
nixternalat time08:35
ryanakcanever used to be like that...08:36
ryanakcaooh, fun :)08:38
ryanakcaSystem & Settings' Monitor & Display is broken over here...08:38
mhbryanakca: really? Somebody talked about that yesterday08:39
ryanakcamhb: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/monanddisp.png08:39
mhbexactly that08:40
UbugtuKDE bug 135725 in general "Monitor & Display Module can't load" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  08:40
ryanakcado we have it on lp?08:41
nixternalinteresting someone would post that upstream, when system settings isn't even up stream08:41
ryanakcanope :)08:41
mhbnixternal: it wasn't me :o)08:42
nixternalryanakca: i believe the issue is some funky python stuff with the python-central08:42
nixternalkcmshell displayconfig08:43
nixternalyou will probably see the python error referring to guidance08:44
ryanakcaImportError: No module named displayconfig08:44
ryanakcainteresting :)08:44
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mhbryanakca: poke me with the LP bug number then, ok? I'll notify the other guy that experienced that08:45
nixternalryanakca: i created the bug a month or so back on that08:46
nixternalclosed it, as it had been fixed08:46
ryanakcanixternal: reopen it?08:47
Tm_THmm, kcontrol doesn't have display settings at all?!08:47
UbugtuMalone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Undecided,Fix released]  08:48
Tm_THmm, I need guidance?08:48
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ryanakcanixternal: wouldn't it be a good idea to poke someone to update/highten the importance of that bug? (imho... it doesn't look too good when a good portion of your system settings is broken)08:53
ryanakcanixternal: I'll work on that Release page tonight... I'm going to go out into the big blue room for a bit :)08:59
nixternalthe bug doesn't effect everyone...during an update, it didn't do something right for you...it will work itself out ;)09:02
mhbryanakca: the importance is always misleading09:02
mhbryanakca: I'm trying to make someone fix the bug that if unpatched will make ubuntu czech translators a laughing stock of the Czech Linux users but its importance is "Low."09:03
nixternalmhb: link me to the bug please09:04
mhbnixternal: it's bug 6332509:05
UbugtuMalone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6332509:05
nixternalare the translations not complete yet, or are they there, just not being loaded correctly?09:07
mhbnixternal: they were completed over a month ago09:08
mhbnixternal: but they aren't loaded correctly09:08
mhbnixternal: and the defaults (/usr/share/desktop-directories/ files) are totally wrong09:08
mhbnixternal: it wouldn't be that bad if the Keyboard & Mouse button wasn't labeled "Users and Groups"09:09
nixternalwell it seems Riddell is working on it, so I won't change the status, as i am sure it is already on his todo list09:09
nixternalya i seen that...09:09
mhbnixternal: I know, I'm bugging him too much09:09
mhbnixternal: it was just an example of how importance is relative09:10
nixternalyou can be assured he will get it fixed prior to release09:10
nixternaloh ya, i think truthfully it should be "medium"09:10
nixternalalthough, only the "severe" or "critical" bugs get looked at first, the rest get worked on as a "first come, first serve" basis usually..but if JR has assigned himself to it, he will get it fixed09:11
nixternalim sure he is working on his bugs right now as we speak09:11
mhbnixternal: I have trust in him, don't worry09:11
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mhbcan someone give me a hint?09:49
mhbamaroK displays BROKEN TRANSLATION when he should say "playing..." and Rosetta refuses to accept 3 plural forms (in english there are only 2) ... to what package does it belong?09:50
nixternalno clue on that one...but i just noticed that my new RC install just went to either blank screen or screensaver, and showed the big white X on a blackscreen, in otherwords, something is broken..this happens on both of my kubuntu machines too09:53
mhbnixternal: that's reported09:54
nixternalgood deal09:54
mhbnixternal: it's the bug 6739109:55
UbugtuMalone bug 67391 in kubuntu-meta "Screensaver not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6739109:55
nixternalwow, that was just reported too09:55
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mhbRiddell: sorry to bother you once again, can you please notify the right person about the bug 67457 ? I don't know who is responsible for that. It's not as important as the systemsettings bug but still troublesome (amarok is used often, I use it daily myself)10:03
UbugtuMalone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6745710:03
mhbnixternal: what screensaver do you use? maybe you can comment on that screensaver bug so that it will get resolved sooner10:04
nixternaldon't use one ;)10:04
nixternalit is supposed to be shut off10:04
nixternali will work on some bugs here in a few10:05
mhbnixternal: ok .o) go for it10:05
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Mezcan someone pastebin me the out put of dpkg -L katapult please?10:25
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mhbRiddell: good news, I patched the bug 67457, it was not that hard - somehow the plural forms just disappeared from the .po translation file in Rosetta. Can you still poke somebody who can patch the Rosetta file and rebuild the .mo file (since it's past deadline now)? Thank you.10:45
UbugtuMalone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6745710:45
Riddellmhb: just disappeared?10:46
Riddellmhb: is this in your translation only?10:46
mhbRiddell: I'm not sure, will check ... disappeared = they were in Dapper translation and weren't in Edgy one (and they are in upstream)10:47
mhbRiddell: I can't tell exactly how this happened10:48
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Riddellmhb: it'll be picked up in the next language pack update, so you can close the bug10:52
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mhbRiddell: that's probably in more than a month10:52
mhbRiddell: :oI10:53
Riddellnot much else can be done there10:54
mhbRiddell: the final langpacks have been posted yet?10:55
Riddellyes, uploaded just after RC was out10:55
mhbRiddell: awww10:55
mhbthat's no fair :o) it's still a bug but it doesn't get addressed like the other ones :o) (it's a joke)10:57
mhbRiddell: should I try to upload the patched file or did you do something with it?10:59
Riddellmhb: I've not done anything11:06
mhbRiddell: OK, I'll try to upload the file (I hope it'll work, there were some problems with Rosetta shortly before the deadline)11:07
mhbRiddell: any progress on the systemsettings bug?11:07
mhbRiddell: thanks for advice11:07
Riddellmhb: I didn't crack it today, maybe tomorrow (kindae the last chance really)11:08
mhbRiddell: can I help in some way? It's important for me11:09
Riddellmhb: if you know c++ sure11:10
mhbRiddell: well, theoretically I do :o) any advice on where I should look?11:12
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Riddellmhb: kdelibs 11:20
Riddellthe patch is in debian/patches11:20
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mhbTonio_: hey Tonio the Second :o)11:26
Tonio_mhb: the second of what ?11:27
Tonio_mhb: I'm sorry for that stupid question, but I'm hill and really veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery tired, so I don't understan11:29
mhbTonio_: the second "_" as in "Tonio__" :D11:29
Tonio_mhb: ah ! ;)11:30
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Tonio_imbrandon: ping ?11:30
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freeflying_Riddell: how to configure hotkeys in kubuntu?11:49
MezRiddell: ping11:53
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ryanakcafreeflying_: hotkeys in kubuntu?12:07
freeflying_ryanakca: or hotkey-setup?12:08

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