[12:15] <Lure> Tonio_: no pb
[12:15] <instructor> kwwii: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/burn_baby.png  http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/burn_baby1.png http://forum.beryl-project.org/attachment.php?item=2682
[12:15] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, do you already have tickets for UDS?
[12:16] <nixternal> what is the purpose of the burn?
[12:17] <instructor> nixternal: close an application and it burns up
[12:17] <nixternal> ahh ok, so in otherwords, absolutely useless, just eye candy
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, it is an electronic ticket, so I just have to give the number at the airport
[12:18] <nixternal> functionality + usability + beautifulability == Kubuntu 
[12:18] <instructor> nixternal: though you can have it occur on open close minimize etc
[12:18] <Lure> Tonio_: when are you arriving? Sat?
[12:18] <Tonio_> yep
[12:19] <Tonio_> dunno how to go from the airport to the hotel
[12:19] <Tonio_> Lure: when are you arriving ?
[12:19] <kwwii> nixternal: hope you like it - you have to live with it for 6 months!
[12:19] <Lure> Sat, from Orlando
[12:19] <Tonio_> what time ?
[12:20] <Lure> Tonio_: 1102 - and a friend of mine will have a rental car
[12:21] <Lure> Tonio_: otherwise there is shuttle service from SFO
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: ah cool
[12:21] <instructor> kwwii: not if he's feisty enough :)
[12:21] <instructor> Fiesty :-(
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I arrive at 16:43
[12:21] <kwwii> hehe
[12:22] <kwwii> I thought about getting a rental car
[12:22] <kwwii> I arrive around the same time
[12:22] <kwwii> then again, my brother lives in the area....
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure: 
[12:24] <Tonio_> ../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:291: error: no matching function for call to 'K3bDevice::DeviceManager::deviceByName(KURL)'
[12:24] <Tonio_> ../../src/../libk3bdevice/k3bdevicemanager.h:77: note: candidates are: K3bDevice::Device* K3bDevice::DeviceManager::deviceByName(const QString&)
[12:24] <Tonio_> not for this time hehe :)
[12:25] <fdoving> nite lure.
[12:25] <Lure> Tonio_: just convert KURL to QString (this is just nice excercise for c++ beginner) ;-)
[12:26] <Lure> Tonio_: hint: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.4-api/kdecore/html/classKURL.html
[12:26] <Lure> ;-)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: will do, go to bed now ! :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> you did enough
[12:28] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:32] <fdoving> gnite.
[12:54] <Tonio_> Lure: fyi (even if you sleep) that works :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for the help, I'll finish the kde integration now
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed that kds ftbfs from bzr....
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: make[2] : *** No rule to make target `throbber_back_16.png.c.o', needed by `usplash-theme-kubuntu.so'.  Stop.
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that related to your last change ?
[01:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: it build on upload, check if there'a a diff between the archive and bzr, I might have forgotten to commit something
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay let me check
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, thanks to the help of lure, k3b integration is over, and works :)
[01:43] <Riddell> integration for cd ripping?
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, for cd ripping
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work taking your package and applying my yesterday changes....... I'm commiting this
[01:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: commit where?
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: heh, to bzr :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> I'm not going to upload, don't mind :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> I don't wanna lose my upload rights hehe :)
[01:58] <Riddell> k3b is in bzr?
[02:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, kds in bzr ;)
[02:02] <Tonio_> k3b will go to my repo, nothing else lol
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: 
[02:02] <Tonio_> -------------- This line and the following will be ignored --------------
[02:02] <Tonio_> unknown:
[02:02] <Tonio_>   usplash/throbber_back_16.png
[02:02] <Tonio_>   usplash/throbber_fore_16.png
[02:02] <Tonio_>   usplash/usplash_640_400.png
[02:02] <Tonio_> bzr doesn't want to commit png changes..........
[02:02] <Tonio_> the png files in the package and in bzr are different
[02:02] <Tonio_> but impossible to update
[02:06] <Tonio_> or maybe they simply are not there.......; I'm checking
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay the three png files are not on bzr, that's why the build fails.......; I just would like to know why I can't commit them......
[02:12] <nixternal> bzr commit
[02:12] <nixternal> bzr push <- the real commit
[02:12] <nixternal> i went a week committing with bzr and nothing showing up ;)
[02:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: what does it changes ?
[02:14] <nixternal> bzr commit commits the changes, but doesn't send them to the server
[02:14] <Tonio_> hu ?
[02:14] <nixternal> bzr push is what send the commit tot he server
[02:15] <nixternal> bzr push sftp://branch_location
[02:15] <Tonio_> nixternal: bah 'ive bzr commit yesterday and the changes are in
[02:15] <nixternal> is it giving you an error?
[02:15] <Tonio_> yesterday no
[02:16] <Tonio_> today yes, becauce there is something going wrong with those png files
[02:16] <nixternal> hmmm
[02:16] <Tonio_> nixternal: to make it simple
[02:16] <Tonio_> I bzr sftp://.........
[02:17] <Tonio_> I had 3 png files in usplash
[02:17] <Tonio_> bzr commit
[02:17] <Tonio_> -> nothing to commit
[02:17] <Tonio_> this is the response
[02:28] <nixternal> sorry Tonio_..phone call
[02:28] <nixternal> did you
[02:28] <nixternal> bzr add the png files
[02:29] <nixternal> since they are new
[02:33] <Tonio_> bzr nope I didn't, I may try indeed
[02:34] <Tonio_> nixternal: but bzr commit is supposed to handle new files.......; I'll try anyway
[02:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: looks like it worked...
[02:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: ah okay I didn't knew we had to bzr add the files before commit.......
[02:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'm a total nocive with bzr.... okay it worked this time, thanks :)
[02:46] <Tonio_> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/597
[02:46] <Tonio_> hehe, this is exactly where I live
[02:46] <Tonio_> I choosed the good place, just sad that I'm not a student anymore....
[03:08] <nixternal> ya Tonio_, i am a novice as well with bzr, i just realized i need to checkout and not branch
[03:09] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> nixternal: pfiou..... good day for packaging....; I'm adding kdebase, kdelibs, kdeaddons, kdeutils, k3b, amarok kubuntu-default-settings packages to my repo ;)
[03:10] <Tonio_> ready for feisty
[03:10] <nixternal> woohoo
[03:11] <Tonio_> +kmplayer
[03:11] <Tonio_> hehe, that spec will be done quickly
[03:15] <nixternal> dinner time...bbiaf ;)
[03:16] <Tonio_> nixternal: bye (beds)
[03:16] <nixternal> g'nite
[03:21] <ryanakca> nobody knows the answer in #ubuntu+1, so, Why can't I play *.mp3 in amarok anymore? (Yes, I have libxine-extracodecs and libmad installed)
[03:21] <crimsun> only in amarok?
[03:22] <ryanakca> yes
[03:22] <crimsun> what's the console spew?
[03:22] <Mez> ryanakca, what engine are you using for amarok ?
[03:23] <ryanakca> and someone else had the same problem earlier in #ubuntu+1 ... about 4 hours ago...
[03:23] <ryanakca> xine
[03:24] <ryanakca> This started last night... I upgraded and rebooted... forget if amarok or xine or something else related was upgraded...
[03:44] <ryanakca> crimsun: hmm... it seems to work and then not work and then work again...
[03:45] <ryanakca> crimsun: no console output... I'll let you know how if it starts again...
[03:45] <Mez> ryanakca, when I first installed edgy, amarok wouldnt play OGGs
[03:45] <ryanakca> wierd...
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hmm.  kmenu artwork changed
[05:16] <Jucato> do we have a spec page for the generic kernel?
[05:17] <nixternal> generic kernel doesn't work for me
[05:17] <Jucato> I don't have it! :)
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Ouchie!!!!
[05:18] <nixternal> that was crazy Hawkwind, that stick has a built in GPS unit running Kubuntu...
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Full or not, that thing hurt
[05:18] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Hah.  Notice I don't have possession of it now :P
[05:18] <Hawkwind> So I feel sorry for that guy over there ~~~~>
[05:18] <nixternal> obviously you haven't seen the "sticks" in harry potter
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Ickkkkkkkkkkk @ Fairy Potter
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Thankfully my kids don't even like Harry.  Unfortunately Liz does though :(
[05:19] <Hawkwind> I saw the first one, not my type of movie at all
[05:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:20] <Jucato> 2 vs 1. you lose Hawkwind  :P
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Story of my life every Monday and Wednesday when I look at the lotto numbers :P
[05:21] <Jucato> well, add Saturday to your list :P
[05:22] <Hawkwind> I would, but it's only Friday.  Sheeesh, you livin` in the future or what :-)
[05:22] <Jucato> lol oh yeah...
[05:22] <Jucato> well then add Friday :P
[05:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee is living waaaay in the future
[05:22] <Hobbsee> indeed
[05:22] <Hobbsee> living in the future is fun!
[05:23] <Jucato> I don't think you can get any more "future-y" than that
[05:23] <Hobbsee> hand it over.
[05:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: who take care on amarok now?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> thankyou
[05:26] <Hobbsee> freeflying: imbrandon 
[05:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:26] <freeflying> imbrandon: ping
[05:28] <imbrandon> pong
[05:28] <imbrandon> freeflying ?
[05:29] <freeflying> imbrandon: would u like set the defalut font of amarok to sans serif or sans
[05:30] <imbrandon> i beleave Riddell reciently set that system wide, why ?
[05:30] <imbrandon> erm why would we chnage the default font is what i'm asking
[05:30] <freeflying> imbrandon: it can't display chinese character defaultly
[05:31] <imbrandon> right but shouldent it use what kde sets as the system default
[05:31] <imbrandon> ( that Riddell just fixed a few days back )
[05:31] <nixternal> imbrandon: if and when you get a chance, look over bug 67200, psn made some fixes for this bug and it is in the konvi svn
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy]  v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67200
[05:31] <imbrandon> nixternal, ok
[05:32] <imbrandon> nixternal, what svn revision is it , you know ?
[05:32] <nixternal> i created a patch messing around earlier if you want to take a look, and im running it here after the build..works great
[05:32] <nixternal> no i don't
[05:32] <nixternal> i remove extra*/konversation already ;(
[05:32] <imbrandon> sure , email it to me if you will , and it would help to know the svn revision you pulled it from for the changelog
[05:33] <nixternal> shoot..let me see if i can get it
[05:33] <nixternal> i only grabbed the channel.cpp and inputfilters.cpp from the src dir that psn redid todoay to close the upstream bug
[05:34] <nixternal> 597567
[05:34] <nixternal> remember that ;)
[05:34] <imbrandon> thats the svn revision ?
[05:36] <nixternal> on its way
[05:36] <nixternal> yes
[05:36] <imbrandon> k
[05:36] <nixternal> i sent you the debdiff as well as the debian/patches/kubuntu_01_autowho.diff as well
[05:37] <imbrandon> k
[05:37] <nixternal> i wouldn't have noticed this bug if it wasn't for my bip server dying ;)
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea mines dies a few times , i thought it was a bip bug
[05:38] <imbrandon> s/dies/died
[05:38] <nixternal> the excess flood?
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea
[05:38] <imbrandon> on connect of a new client
[05:38] <nixternal> ya, it is because the mass /WHO on all the channels with a ton of people
[05:38] <imbrandon> yup
[05:38] <nixternal> now the way psn did it is nice
[05:39] <imbrandon> thus i took all my high traffic channels of autojoin
[05:39] <imbrandon> lol
[05:39] <nixternal> when you connect, it waits for the first 90 seconds...but if someone talks int he chan, then it will autowho them and grab their info
[05:39] <nixternal> i was joining w/o the /WHO...that is horrid, because i like knowing who some people are and where they are from when i am chattin' with them
[05:40] <imbrandon> why dident psn upload it ( or get an OK ) ?
[05:40] <nixternal> upload it to our repo?
[05:40] <imbrandon> ahh psn is upstream, i forgot
[05:40] <nixternal> ya..hehe
[05:40] <nixternal> he rocked that out for me quick to
[05:40] <nixternal> hehe
[05:41] <imbrandon> well if you join it will still /who after 90 seconds ?
[05:41] <imbrandon> that sucks
[05:41] <nixternal> but it is incremental, so it won't kill you
[05:41] <nixternal> the first 77 seconds on irc with konvi is useless anyways
[05:41] <nixternal> as it is synching everything
[05:41] <imbrandon> not if you join 20 channels at the same time, it will just wait 90 seconds and then /who them all
[05:42] <nixternal> well, i have 31 channels
[05:42] <nixternal> and i didn't even notice it occur
[05:42] <imbrandon> why the hell does it /who anyhow before someone speaks or you right click and /who them
[05:42] <nixternal> i was telling psn, that his fix didn't work, and then i dragged the mouse over to the nicklist and everything was working
[05:43] <nixternal> the /who picks up everyones status..w/o it, when you hover above a user, it shows a blank tooltip
[05:43] <nixternal> and you don't know is away or here
[05:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:51] <imbrandon> freeflying, does amarok not use the default kde font ?
[05:55] <freeflying> imbrandon: I'd confirm :)
[08:45] <Tonio_> hi all
[08:46] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[08:46] <Tonio_> grmpf this konqueror bug drives me nuts.....;
[08:46] <Hobbsee> which bug?
[08:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you notice that sometimes konqueror fails to load the kds settings ?
[08:47] <Tonio_> especially with preloaded sessions
[08:47] <Tonio_> it has been reported a while ago
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cant say i've been watching too closely.  i tend not to use konq
[08:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah, but I'm sure you heard about the bugs the sometimes, the menus are not complete didn't you ?
[08:48] <Tonio_> I'm affraid I'll have to hardcode the settings via a patch to get that fixed...... but I really don't want to...
[08:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what are you using ? krusader ?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: konq for file browsing, firefox for web browsing
[08:49] <Hobbsee> actually, i've been meaning to look at krusader
[08:49] <Hobbsee> apparently it's really good
[08:49] <Tonio_> said to be yes
[09:16] <Lure> hi Tonio_ - so it worked?
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: yep
[09:17] <Tonio_> perfectly
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for the help :)
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: fancy testing ?
[09:18] <Lure> Tonio_: it probably makes sense to suggest sending it upstream
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: impossible
[09:18] <Lure> Tonio_: no time for testing - working Saturday for me :-(
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: in fact the servicemenu I did for integration is to be compatible with _Sime's patches
[09:19] <Tonio_> Lure: the --device patch can be send upstream, but no way to merge the service menu
[09:19] <Lure> Tonio_: not everything, just -device option - this would make sense in general
[09:19] <Tonio_> yes, probably
[09:19] <Tonio_> I'll email the patch and we'll see
[09:22] <nixternal> there they go
[09:22] <nixternal> goodbye
[09:23] <freet15> why?
[09:23] <nixternal> netsplit
[09:23] <nixternal> or death to server
[09:23] <freet15>  :)
[09:25] <freet15> we are so lucky~
[09:25] <nixternal> i would say they are having issues, as i have 1s lag
[09:26] <nixternal> wb Lure, Tonio_, freeflying, abattoir...ok, im not goign down that list
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[09:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, again.
[09:27] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee! ;)
[09:27] <Lure> nixternal: hi
[09:27] <freeflying> nixternal: hey
[09:27] <nixternal> well hello there mr. freeflying
[10:07] <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as release critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67081
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64752
[10:12] <abattoir> hi everyone :)
[10:12] <abattoir> nixternal: great work on the RC page, as usual ;)
[10:13] <nixternal> why tink u
[10:21] <fdoving> Lure: my guidance-power-manager dies when i click the systray icon. It used to work, i think this is a new feature in 0.7.0.
[10:24] <Lure> fdoving: which platform? Can you start it from Konsole and report output (and please open bug for it)
[10:24] <Lure> yes, nixternal really rocks - who cares if good things are done if we are not able to get our message through
[10:25] <fdoving> Lure: opening a bug as we speak, this is powerpc, no smart console output, only bug 64406 output, and kcrash.
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64406 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager: dcop problem message when starting in a terminal" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64406
[10:26] <Lure> fdoving: are you able to get backtrace from kcrash?
[10:26] <nixternal> thanks Lure, glad i can help out anyway possible
[10:26] <nixternal> for instance, im going to go and keep my bed company now
[10:26] <fdoving> Lure: no, it doesn't give any usefull info.
[10:27] <nixternal> g'nite all, and to all a g'day, g'nite, see ya in a few!
[10:27] <fdoving> nite nixternal.
[10:27] <Lure> fdoving: hard to debug, since I do not have ppc HW... :-( maybe imbrandon or Riddell can confirm/debug
[10:29] <Lure> Riddell: why have we changed Deja Vu -> Sans Serif? 
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: because the chinese fonts werent getting rendered correctly
[10:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks, will change my profile then...
[10:32] <fdoving> Lure: bug 67316 if you're interessted.
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67316 in kde-guidance "[EDGY]  guidance-powermanager crash on powerpc." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67316
[10:35] <fdoving> Lure: nevermind, it's a problem with kde-guidance-powermanager and the serenity style/deco. it's not important for edgy.
[10:35] <fdoving> changed the styles and deco now, and it works.
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: I was just wondering what tris serenity is... 
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: good to know
[10:39] <fdoving> Lure: thanks for your time. :)
[10:40] <Lure> fdoving: nopb
[12:01] <Hobbsee> i need an interesting picture
[12:02] <seaLne> does anyone else using the new ktorrent have times left completly wrong?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> http://zebrafinch.com/SocietyFinch/untitled%20folder/Fawn%20self.GIF might do
[12:04] <seaLne> Hobbsee: so what are you going to use the "interesting picture" for?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> seaLne: have you been in -bugs?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> this was in a /query
[12:04] <Hobbsee> [Sat Oct 21 2006]  [19:58:31]  <cypher1_> do you have pic of you ? :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> [Sat Oct 21 2006]  [19:59:14]  <Hobbsee> hidden safely away.
[12:04] <Hobbsee> [Sat Oct 21 2006]  [20:00:27]  <cypher1_> do u have a pic of you ?
[12:05] <seaLne> only idling
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: he's switched to /msg after trying to chat me up in bugs
[12:05] <seaLne> ah :)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ahh - it's the last lot of stuff that was said
[12:06] <seaLne> the stuff there looked fairly normal
[12:09] <Hobbsee> oddly enough, the guy hasnt replied back :P
[12:11] <seaLne> heh
[12:13] <seaLne> is  Bug #56168 worth bothering to try to fix for edgy? i don't think so
[12:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56168 in kdemultimedia "k3b should *not* calculate md5 sum of images by default" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56168
[12:13] <seaLne> i think that can survive fine till k3b 1 in feisty
[12:14] <Hobbsee> nah...
[12:14] <Hobbsee> well, it probably wouldnt get accepte
[12:14] <Hobbsee> d
[12:14] <seaLne> yeah, i wouldn't accept it :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> seaLne: there's various unmet deps stuff still, if you wanted to fix them.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> there's a link in -motu
[12:17] <seaLne> i need to get other stuff done in the next few hours but i should have time tonight to look at stuff so i'll ask for suggestions then :)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:28] <seaLne> Bug #67326
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67326 in ktorrent "ktorrent 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 gets time left wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67326
[12:33] <freeflying> have you try to paste an 800-page article to kword?
[12:44] <Lure> seaLne: 56168 is not a bug - you can click Start and will continue
[12:52] <seaLne> Lure: yeah i know, but it seems to annoy some people
[02:07] <Ingmar^> how do i find out what package the file /usr/lib/libGL.so belongs to ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Ingmar^: packages.ubuntu.com - type in libGL.so in the files box
[02:07] <Riddell> Ingmar^: dpkg -S file
[02:07] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell 
[02:07] <Riddell> afternoon Hobbsee 
[02:08] <Ingmar^> thanks Riddell & Hobbsee
[02:26] <Lure> hi Riddell
[02:26] <Lure> [10:07]  <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as releas[10:07]  <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as release critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?e critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67081
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64752
[02:26] <Lure> (sorry, double paste)
[02:28] <Riddell> Lure: CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD is in guidance-power-manager or hal?
[02:28] <Lure> Riddell: guidance - sebas implemented this for one user, but it set it pretty high...
[02:29] <Riddell> for one user?
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that remaining_time can temporarily jump to very small number and can cause
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: threshold was done to prevent doing action if percentage charged is above it
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: so if charge is 50+%, then action will not be performed even though remaining_time is 0
[02:31] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like there are many cases where remaining_time might get confused - see all the cases in bug 60442
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60442
[02:32] <Lure> Riddell: with change of threshold to 5% (or 10%) we would solve unwanted hibernation/shutdown (typical action on critical battery) for many users
[02:33] <Riddell> Lure: so it's currently 50% and you propose to change to 5%?
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: they would however still get some not so problematic warnings (notification of low level), but those are not RC
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: yes (can be also 10%)
[02:34] <Lure> Problem is that 50% may be way below what you are left in two battery case (as percentage is cumulative for both batteries)
[02:34] <Riddell> sounds like a good fix to me
[02:35] <Riddell> send me a debdiff and I'll upload
[02:35] <Lure> two batteries may have different capacity and when first one empties (typicaly external/larger) which causes remaining_time bug event, then percantage is probably between 30-50%
[02:35] <Lure> Riddell: ok, thanks
[02:36] <Lure> Riddell: I will still try to ping sebas why he choose so big timeout, as I can remeber that even the initial reported (for which treshold was implemented) said that it may be too high (but it was good enough for him)
[02:38] <Lure> Riddell: I will also try to reproduce bug 65885 - if we can fix this one it would be also great...
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65885 in kde-guidance "hibernation by closing lid not recovering correctly" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65885
[02:41] <Riddell> Lure: think it'll be easily fixed?
[02:43] <Lure> Riddell: not sure yet - if it is not obvious fix I would wait for -updates
[02:44] <Riddell> Lure: even -updates can only take fixes are are easy to understand
[02:46] <Lure> Riddell: sure for that, it is just if it is not couple of obvious lines it is RC candidate, for -updates we can take some time to verify with reporters to cofirm it is correct (and no regression)
[02:47] <Riddell> true
[02:51] <alain> hi
[02:52] <alain> can anyone explain me why Bug #30207 is so difficult to fix   - for me it seems to be an (auto) configuration problem
[02:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30207 in kdebase "media:/ does not handle floppy mounting correctly" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30207
[02:55] <mhb> Riddell: so... would it be possible to change the lines in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ ? (the systemsettings .mo bug)
[02:55] <Riddell> mhb: not really, I have no reliable way to do that
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: you can't apply a patch to them?
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: well the Czech descriptions are really messed up in them
[02:57] <mhb> Riddell: totallly ... and nobody asked us to check or correct it
[02:58] <Riddell> mhb: I can't apply a patch at this stage no
[02:58] <Riddell> _Sime: :)
[02:58] <Riddell> mhb: you might want to look at fixing the strings in KDE to sort it out longer term
[02:59] <_Sime> It is very simple. File a floppy related bug, get a USB-stick in the post. :-)
[02:59] <mhb> Riddell: systemsettings are on KDE's SVN?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> _Sime: :D
[03:01] <Riddell> mhb: yes
[03:02] <_Sime> Hobbsee: ...a USB-stick and steaming hot cup of STFU.
[03:03] <mhb> Riddell: can you give me a small hint on where exactly? I'm always lost in KDE's SVN... (and Launchpad too :o)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> _Sime: hehe.  i should give you a link to what i'm reading now.  but it's better if you're in retail yourself :P
[03:03] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that apci-support lid.sh scripts is missing check for power-manager, but adding check (over dcop) does not help as dcop is not working from acpid :-(
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect dcop works only from user context - acpid reports: ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
[03:04] <Riddell> dcop?  or dbus?
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell: see /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs
[03:05] <Lure> we are missing check for power-manager (which is fix for bug), but the check through dcop does not work
[03:08] <_Sime> mhb: k-s-s is in playground/base/systemsettings.
[03:08] <mhb> _Sime: thanks
[03:08] <Lure> Riddell: I am not sure how this worked for klaptopdaemon (but I can imagine that some painful bugs that we have seen were due to both acpi-support and klaptop doing their stuff :-( )
[03:16] <Lure> Riddell: according to this (http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/dcop.html), we would need to mess with ICEAUTHORITY environment variable, but the problem is that we do not know which user is logged in
[03:19] <Lure> Riddell: we could do ps -p `pidof dcopserver` -o user= in order to set ICEAUTHORITY, but this would not work in multi-user environemnt (lstp)
[03:22] <Riddell> sounds ugly
[03:24] <Lure> Riddell: indeed :-(
[03:25] <Lure> Riddell: if guidance-power-manager would be binary, we could do simple "pidof guidance-power-manager" like kpowersave...
[03:28] <Lure> Riddell: actually, there is -x option: pidof -x guidance-power-manager.py
[03:28] <Lure> it works here!
[03:31] <ryanakca> ok, other than triaging (and anything having to do with editing code), what can I do to help?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you can deal with the person in -motu
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i've never seen anyone else with that problem
[03:33] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: [08:58]  <cyberquiet> hi, I ran into problems while upgrading from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5...           ?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: that's the one
[03:34] <Hobbsee> as for *why* it wouldnt have all upgraded with a standard upgrade, i dont know
[03:35] <ryanakca> it's wierd...
[03:35] <Hobbsee> that's not the way repos work, unless some of it ftbfs
[03:36] <ryanakca> ftbfs? failed to build from source?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:38] <ryanakca> ah, so what packages does this involve? kdebase?
[03:38] <ryanakca> (like the one that needs to be fixed)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: NFI - it all works on edgy, and those packages are edgy's, built for dapper
[03:42] <ryanakca> NFI? hmmm...
[03:42] <ryanakca> ok, this is over my head :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no friendly idea
[03:42] <ryanakca> ah
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i havent seen it used much here
[03:42] <ryanakca> 3.5.5?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5.5
[03:46] <ryanakca> ah, so 3.5.5 packages are uploaded to repos? (last I saw: KDE 3.5.5 is also being uploaded to Edgy.)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no, there's a separate repo on kubuntu.org
[03:47] <ryanakca> yeah, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[03:47] <ryanakca> s/dapper/edgy    in the repo lines?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, i never looked it up
[03:52] <Riddell> 3.5.5 is in edgy
[03:54] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:54] <Hobbsee> (not dapper though)
[03:55] <ryanakca> so am I
[03:58] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya ryanakca
[04:51] <mhb> Riddell: Where is the upstream translation of hwdb located?
[04:51] <Riddell> mhb: hwdb has no upstream
[04:51] <mhb> I'd like to update the upstream file as well
[04:51] <mhb> oh
[04:51] <Riddell> so just rosetta is as upstream as there is
[04:51] <mhb> Riddell: ok
[04:58] <freeflying> Riddell: today's cd can not make everything ootb (for chinese stuffs)  :)
[04:58] <Riddell> freeflying: what do you mean by make?
[04:59] <freeflying> Riddell: I just did a frech install use alternate-powerpc-cd, chinese stuffs haven't been set up 
[05:00] <freeflying> like input method, l10n,etc.
[05:00] <Riddell> freeflying: do you have language-support-zh installed?
[05:00] <freeflying> Riddell: I did
[05:01] <ryanakca> ok, other than triaging (and anything having to do with editing code), what can I do to help? any more (simple-ish) artwork? 
[05:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: artwork is all done except for website which kwwii is still working on
[05:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: but we do need a release page, like nixternal's release wiki pages but made up of the release notes and images
[05:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: might want to see if nixternal has plans along those lines
[05:07] <freeflying> Riddell: sorry, it's the fault of mine damn network
[05:08] <Riddell> freeflying: so language-support-zh wasn't installed?
[05:09] <freeflying> Riddell: depends 
[05:09] <ZeroCool> Riddell: just posted this bug, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136033
[05:09] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136033 in general "Kontact, RSS news feeds, Crash n Burn, see attach output" [Crash,Unconfirmed]  
[05:13] <Riddell> anyone else have two bouncing feedback images when starting an app?
[05:34] <nuku> will qt 3.3.7 be in edgy?
[05:37] <Riddell> nuku: not by number but I'll upload the patch now so it'll be the same thing
[05:38] <nuku> nice..
[05:43] <Tm_T> :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> What's the biggest difference?
[05:43] <nuku> critical security fix :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> I see.
[05:43] <Riddell> not all that critical but important
[05:44] <nuku> well it crashes konqueror and might lead to remote exploits.. 
[05:49] <nuku> hmm i guess the fix is still somehow broken.. firefox and opera display this http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=138488 "correct" but konqueror displays just two bars with qt3.3.7 :( or is there an additional patch for kdelibs needed?
[05:51] <Lure> Riddell: debdiff for bugs #64752, #67081, #65885: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/kde-guidance.debdiff
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64752
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67081
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65885 in kde-guidance "hibernation by closing lid not recovering correctly" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65885
[05:51] <Lure> Riddell: acpi-support was not the root cause - it was much more obvious ;-)
[05:53] <Lure> Riddell: will still talk with mjg59 to change acpi-support
[05:53] <Riddell> Lure: five mins, uploading qt
[05:54] <Riddell> freeflying: can you think of any chinese companies who would want to sponsor akademy 2007?
[05:54] <freeflying> Riddell: in which country
[05:55] <Riddell> freeflying: it's in Scotland
[05:56] <freeflying> Riddell: let me try to find :)
[05:58] <freeflying> Riddell: would you like give me more details :)
[05:58] <Riddell> freeflying: 2006 list at http://conference2006.kde.org/sponsors/
[05:58] <freeflying> thanks
[05:58] <Riddell> see the "call for sponsors" link for the sort of information there
[05:59] <Riddell> but we had Ricoh last year so just wondered if there were other companies in that half of the world
[05:59] <Riddell> that I wouldn't have thought of
[06:03] <ryanakca> is amarok compiled with "--enable-debug=full"?
[06:03] <ZeroCool> Riddell: again, I guess I would have to re-install kubuntu using the new RC version ?
[06:03] <nuku> Riddell: red flag linux? :-)
[06:04] <Riddell> nuku, freeflying: are red flag KDE dudes?
[06:04] <Riddell> ZeroCool: shouldn't be a need for that
[06:04] <freeflying> Riddell: almost
[06:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: probably, then the symbols should be stripped by debhelper
[06:04] <ZeroCool> well, have those 4 bugs, still.
[06:05] <freeflying> Riddell: our company also use kde :)
[06:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: stripped by debhelper?
[06:05] <ZeroCool> Riddell: have those 4 bugs still
[06:05] <freeflying> nuku: u know red flag? :)
[06:05] <ZeroCool> Riddell: and the updates as of today, have not fix them..
[06:05] <nuku> freeflying: well i never tried it :) a friend of mine uses it..
[06:05] <nuku> but i think they have kde as default desktop afair
[06:06] <freeflying> nuku: yes, they do
[06:07] <mhb> nuku: wikipedia says so
[06:07] <nuku> i see :)
[06:07] <fabo> Riddell: a new upstream release of strigi as UVFe, possible ? :p
[06:07] <ZeroCool> Riddell: another question, is kde going to speed up... 
[06:09] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, i have been planning on the "Master Release Notes" for next week, and if ryanakca wants to help, then wooooohoooooo! ;)
[06:10] <Riddell> ZeroCool: yes, Qt 4 is faster
[06:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: what is it? a pile of screenshots and captions describing what's new, etc. in edgy?
[06:11] <mhb> hm ... is there a tool in Kubuntu for calibrating laptop touchpads?
[06:11] <nixternal> how did you guess?
[06:11] <nixternal> ;)
[06:11] <ZeroCool> Riddell: when qt 4
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd like them to go on kubuntu.org as the announcement in the end, but start on the wiki of course
[06:11] <nixternal> it will recover from Knot 1 all the way to release
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: just the highlights :)
[06:11] <nixternal> yup
[06:13] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk, have an example of the past ones or what you have so far? (I have a general idea of what it should look like, but not more than that)
[06:13] <ryanakca> nixternal: and what needs to be done for it?
[06:13] <Riddell> starting text at help:/kubuntu/krelease-notes/index.html
[06:13] <Riddell> previous one https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[06:14] <nixternal> there you go ;)
[06:15] <nixternal> sorry, was emailing away
[06:15] <nixternal> 34324324 more to go
[06:15] <fabo> Riddell: no way for strigi so ? ;)
[06:16] <Riddell> Lure: patch looks good
[06:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol,  and what d'you need? screenshots or something of the sort?
[06:17] <Lure> Riddell: I tested only lid close one, as remaining_time is not a pb on my laptop, but I am sure that this fix should help on laptops with remaining_time issues (it is just a workaround)
[06:18] <Lure> Riddell: what is the probability to get accepted?
[06:18] <nixternal> one sec
[06:18] <Riddell> Lure: I'll test and upload and see if it's accepted, it looks small enough to be ok
[06:18] <Lure> Riddell: I have already commited to kde svn
[06:20] <ZeroCool> ridell: downloading RC kubuntu...
[06:22] <nixternal> ryanakca: i have setup https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release as the working page, only to keep /. and digg out of our business...what i usually do, is instead of using edgy, i will use Badger and 5.10..and when release is upon us, i will replace them with Edgy and 6.10
[06:22] <mhb> nixternal: :o))
[06:23] <nixternal> otherwise you add something, and some overzealous teenager will find it and digg it ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> make it one of those "omg kubuntu edgy is being released" type stories
[06:23] <nixternal> like when michael jackson "USED" to come to town and all the kids would scream and cry...at least thats what i do when kubuntu releases every time
[06:23] <Riddell> nixternal: clever
[06:24] <mhb> nixternal: that's too paranoid from my point of view :o) that guy could read this channel's logs as well
[06:25] <mhb> nixternal: but if people are really like that ... I agree it's better to keep it quiet and hidden
[06:26] <nixternal> i would think what we say here would be suspect to it, but i haven't seen it yet
[06:27] <nixternal> mhb: btw that isn't paranoid, that is smart...have you worked within out wiki at all?  now take a /. or a digg to the wiki, now try to work with it
[06:27] <nixternal> i would rather watch paint dry
[06:28] <nixternal> s/out/our
[06:31] <mhb> nixternal: can't you use gobby for such things?
[06:31] <nixternal> i could, but they don't make a kobby yet ;)
[06:32] <nixternal> we put the wiki up for everyone to collaborate on..so i would rather use it..however with gobby, i could do all of the markup making it a cut and paste job for mr. JR
[06:33] <mhb> nixternal: you say it's smart, I say it could slow the work down ... but like I said, when this is the only way it's wise
[06:34] <Riddell> mateedit is gobby-like for KDE
[06:34] <nixternal> really
[06:34] <nixternal> thank you
[06:35] <nixternal> ya, i should have noted the "gobby-like", there isn't a kde frontend for obby at all..the obby front end i have seen is gobby..which works just fine in kde, as we use it for the uwn
[06:37] <Riddell> yes, it's a shame they don't use a common protocol
[06:37] <nixternal> Riddell: would it be easier for you, if i did the markup and everything for the release page?
[06:38] <Riddell> nixternal: if it was HTML that would be nice yes
[06:38] <nixternal> ok
[06:38] <nixternal> what CMS does k.org use?
[06:39] <Riddell> ext3
[06:39] <Lure> Riddell: lol
[06:39] <Riddell> the source is in bzr if you want to do it properly, but probably just as easy not to
[06:40] <ryanakca> nixternal: back. sorry, sounds good
[06:40] <nixternal> oooh...that would rock Riddell
[06:42] <Riddell> kubuntu-website product on launchpad
[06:43] <nixternal> ya, this will make it much easier for you then...as i can just create a patch and send it to you
[07:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk, so how do we work on this? I download a copy and add stuff to it, and then what? we both make a patch of to the original copy?
[07:08] <nixternal> we will work from the wiki page..im adding the structure now
[07:12] <ryanakca> kk
[07:16] <nixternal> alrighty ryanakca, i have broken the page down a little bit, so it should be easier to follow..if you can think of more stuff to add to it, then go for it, just keep it as brief and punchy as possible https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[07:17] <nixternal> only going to have 4 to 6 small screenshots w/ captions
[08:01] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk
[08:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: anything about Kontact or System & Settings new?
[08:02] <nixternal> System & Settings layout is, but i don't know how "big" that is compared to the stuff like Amarok, KDE, and OOo
[08:03] <nixternal> you can add it, and we can play with it somehow
[08:04] <ryanakca> kk
[08:05] <ryanakca> and, when taking screenshots (ex: adept updater), do we want the whole desktop? or just the window?
[08:05] <nixternal> whole desktop, 1024x768
[08:05] <nixternal> default layout, no extra icons or anything like that
[08:05] <mhb> nixternal: isn't it better to do it like http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop ?
[08:07] <nixternal> for individual programs i will crop them, but i don't follow ubuntu, i follow kde styling via our documentation standards
[08:07] <mhb> nixternal: sorry for distrubing, but I always preferred their way
[08:07] <nixternal> because if you look at all of ubuntu's screenshots across the various pages, they don't have a standards whatsoever..they take a snapshot, crop it,a nd drop shaddow it, 
[08:08] <nixternal> so i could take my screenshot at 1024x768, you do yours at 1280x1024 and so on...if you look at Kubuntu screenies on all the releases, they are from booting into x with 'startx -- -dpi 72'
[08:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: does adept updater count as an individual program?
[08:08] <nixternal> sure
[08:09] <nixternal> it would be nice to get an image of the notification as well, the little icon
[08:09] <ryanakca> kk, is the default systray 2 rows or 1?
[08:09] <nixternal> they must have recently fixed those images on /desktop, because they used to be off
[08:10] <mhb> nixternal: I don't think standardizing everything is a good idea, though ... sometimes the one approach is better, sometimes the other
[08:10] <nixternal> well, if you don't then you get images that are 400px wide with image 1, and 410px wide, and the variations in the page look horrible, unless of course you float the images
[08:11] <nixternal> but we follow standards when it comes to documentation, we mix a little of the Ubuntu stylization with the KDE stylization here
[08:12] <nixternal> for instance, take a look at Knot1 - Knot3, Beta, and RC pages for edgy..they follow each other, and do not vary by much...now take a look at what happens when you do follow a standard like the EdgyEft/Knot releases for Ubuntu...image wise it is really bad
[08:13] <mhb> nixternal: I don't want to argue with you too much, after all you're the one who does the work here. I just mentioned that in my (and only my) opinion when you talk about a specific application it's wiser to crop the desktop a bit
[08:14] <nixternal> oh ya, and we will
[08:14] <mhb> nixternal: or enlarge the resolution so that it's clear what the application says
[08:14] <mhb> nixternal: like http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/applicationsmenu.png
[08:14] <nixternal> but when you take a screenshot with just the active window, ksnapshot hoses the sizes
[08:15] <ryanakca> ?
[08:15] <nixternal> ok, take a snapshot using knsapshot of your entire desktop, and then take a snapshot of the active window, you will notice the variation in sizes
[08:15] <nixternal> unless that has been fixed and i ahven't noticed it
[08:16] <nixternal> unless you are using imagemagic and the import function
[08:19] <nixternal> my problem with not showing an image with what it looks like natively on the desktop is that believe it or not, someone will file a bug with "mine doesn't look like the one on the website" ;)
[08:19] <ryanakca> lol, yep
[08:19] <ryanakca> well, the screenshot taking part anywais...
[08:19] <nixternal> hehe
[08:20] <ryanakca> so, I take a fullscreen snapshot with imagemagic, 1024x768, and then I send it to you, and you'll crop it?
[08:20] <nixternal> just attach it to the page
[08:20] <nixternal> i can grab them from there., or you can send them to me
[08:20] <ryanakca> kk
[08:20] <nixternal> no biggie
[08:21] <ryanakca> well, I guess I don't have much choice about creating a new user... I've been using a different kicker layout for so long, I forget how k-d-s has it setup :)
[08:21] <nixternal> heh
[08:33] <ryanakca> I started a new session, but for some reason GNOME was the default under KDM, so I log into gnome, log out... then I'm stuck at a black screen... ctrl-alt-F7 didn't do anything, nor did ctrl-alt-f(1-8)...
[08:34] <mhb> ryanakca: what if you were under console? alt-f1 didn't work either
[08:34] <mhb> ?
[08:34] <ryanakca> mhb: I couldn't get under console...
[08:34] <mhb> ryanakca: well you've opened and closed a X session ... why not?
[08:35] <ryanakca> mhb: with kmenu... it did something, but for some reason, the keyboard shortcuts didn't work for me
[08:35] <nixternal> alt+f7?
[08:35] <ryanakca> nope...
[08:35] <nixternal> that returns me out of my blackscreen missery at times
[08:35] <nixternal> at time
[08:36] <ryanakca> never used to be like that...
[08:38] <ryanakca> ooh, fun :)
[08:38] <ryanakca> System & Settings' Monitor & Display is broken over here...
[08:39] <mhb> ryanakca: really? Somebody talked about that yesterday
[08:39] <ryanakca> mhb: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/monanddisp.png
[08:40] <mhb> exactly that
[08:40] <mhb> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135725
[08:40] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135725 in general "Monitor & Display Module can't load" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[08:41] <ryanakca> do we have it on lp?
[08:41] <nixternal> interesting someone would post that upstream, when system settings isn't even up stream
[08:41] <ryanakca> nope :)
[08:42] <mhb> nixternal: it wasn't me :o)
[08:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: i believe the issue is some funky python stuff with the python-central
[08:43] <nixternal> kcmshell displayconfig
[08:44] <nixternal> you will probably see the python error referring to guidance
[08:44] <ryanakca> ImportError: No module named displayconfig
[08:44] <ryanakca> interesting :)
[08:45] <mhb> ryanakca: poke me with the LP bug number then, ok? I'll notify the other guy that experienced that
[08:46] <ryanakca> kk
[08:46] <nixternal> ryanakca: i created the bug a month or so back on that
[08:46] <nixternal> closed it, as it had been fixed
[08:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: reopen it?
[08:47] <Tm_T> Hmm, kcontrol doesn't have display settings at all?!
[08:48] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/62223
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Undecided,Fix released]  
[08:48] <Tm_T> Hmm, I need guidance?
[08:50] <Tm_T> Funny.
[08:53] <ryanakca> nixternal: wouldn't it be a good idea to poke someone to update/highten the importance of that bug? (imho... it doesn't look too good when a good portion of your system settings is broken)
[08:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: I'll work on that Release page tonight... I'm going to go out into the big blue room for a bit :)
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:02] <nixternal> the bug doesn't effect everyone...during an update, it didn't do something right for you...it will work itself out ;)
[09:02] <mhb> ryanakca: the importance is always misleading
[09:02] <ryanakca> lol
[09:03] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm trying to make someone fix the bug that if unpatched will make ubuntu czech translators a laughing stock of the Czech Linux users but its importance is "Low."
[09:04] <ryanakca> heh
[09:04] <nixternal> mhb: link me to the bug please
[09:05] <mhb> nixternal: it's bug 63325
[09:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[09:07] <nixternal> are the translations not complete yet, or are they there, just not being loaded correctly?
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: they were completed over a month ago
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: but they aren't loaded correctly
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: and the defaults (/usr/share/desktop-directories/ files) are totally wrong
[09:08] <nixternal> ahh
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: it wouldn't be that bad if the Keyboard & Mouse button wasn't labeled "Users and Groups"
[09:09] <nixternal> well it seems Riddell is working on it, so I won't change the status, as i am sure it is already on his todo list
[09:09] <nixternal> ya i seen that...
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: I know, I'm bugging him too much
[09:10] <nixternal> hehe
[09:10] <mhb> nixternal: it was just an example of how importance is relative
[09:10] <nixternal> you can be assured he will get it fixed prior to release
[09:10] <nixternal> oh ya, i think truthfully it should be "medium"
[09:11] <nixternal> although, only the "severe" or "critical" bugs get looked at first, the rest get worked on as a "first come, first serve" basis usually..but if JR has assigned himself to it, he will get it fixed
[09:11] <nixternal> im sure he is working on his bugs right now as we speak
[09:11] <mhb> nixternal: I have trust in him, don't worry
[09:49] <mhb> can someone give me a hint?
[09:50] <mhb> amaroK displays BROKEN TRANSLATION when he should say "playing..." and Rosetta refuses to accept 3 plural forms (in english there are only 2) ... to what package does it belong?
[09:53] <nixternal> no clue on that one...but i just noticed that my new RC install just went to either blank screen or screensaver, and showed the big white X on a blackscreen, in otherwords, something is broken..this happens on both of my kubuntu machines too
[09:54] <mhb> nixternal: that's reported
[09:54] <nixternal> good deal
[09:55] <mhb> nixternal: it's the bug 67391
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67391 in kubuntu-meta "Screensaver not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67391
[09:55] <nixternal> wow, that was just reported too
[10:03] <mhb> Riddell: sorry to bother you once again, can you please notify the right person about the bug 67457 ? I don't know who is responsible for that. It's not as important as the systemsettings bug but still troublesome (amarok is used often, I use it daily myself)
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67457
[10:04] <mhb> nixternal: what screensaver do you use? maybe you can comment on that screensaver bug so that it will get resolved sooner
[10:04] <nixternal> don't use one ;)
[10:04] <nixternal> it is supposed to be shut off
[10:05] <nixternal> i will work on some bugs here in a few
[10:05] <mhb> nixternal: ok .o) go for it
[10:25] <Mez> can someone pastebin me the out put of dpkg -L katapult please?
[10:26] <Hawkwind> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/175
[10:27] <Mez> cheers
[10:45] <mhb> Riddell: good news, I patched the bug 67457, it was not that hard - somehow the plural forms just disappeared from the .po translation file in Rosetta. Can you still poke somebody who can patch the Rosetta file and rebuild the .mo file (since it's past deadline now)? Thank you.
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67457
[10:46] <Riddell> mhb: just disappeared?
[10:46] <Riddell> mhb: is this in your translation only?
[10:47] <mhb> Riddell: I'm not sure, will check ... disappeared = they were in Dapper translation and weren't in Edgy one (and they are in upstream)
[10:48] <mhb> Riddell: I can't tell exactly how this happened
[10:52] <Riddell> mhb: it'll be picked up in the next language pack update, so you can close the bug
[10:52] <mhb> Riddell: that's probably in more than a month
[10:53] <mhb> Riddell: :oI
[10:54] <Riddell> not much else can be done there
[10:55] <mhb> Riddell: the final langpacks have been posted yet?
[10:55] <Riddell> yes, uploaded just after RC was out
[10:55] <mhb> Riddell: awww
[10:57] <mhb> that's no fair :o) it's still a bug but it doesn't get addressed like the other ones :o) (it's a joke)
[10:59] <mhb> Riddell: should I try to upload the patched file or did you do something with it?
[11:06] <Riddell> mhb: I've not done anything
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: OK, I'll try to upload the file (I hope it'll work, there were some problems with Rosetta shortly before the deadline)
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: any progress on the systemsettings bug?
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for advice
[11:08] <Riddell> mhb: I didn't crack it today, maybe tomorrow (kindae the last chance really)
[11:09] <mhb> Riddell: can I help in some way? It's important for me
[11:10] <Riddell> mhb: if you know c++ sure
[11:12] <mhb> Riddell: well, theoretically I do :o) any advice on where I should look?
[11:20] <Riddell> mhb: kdelibs 
[11:20] <Riddell> the patch is in debian/patches
[11:25] <Tonio__> hey
[11:26] <mhb> Tonio_: hey Tonio the Second :o)
[11:27] <Tonio_> mhb: the second of what ?
[11:29] <Tonio_> mhb: I'm sorry for that stupid question, but I'm hill and really veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery tired, so I don't understan
[11:29] <Tonio_> +d
[11:29] <mhb> Tonio_: the second "_" as in "Tonio__" :D
[11:30] <Tonio_> mhb: ah ! ;)
[11:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[11:49] <freeflying_> Riddell: how to configure hotkeys in kubuntu?
[11:53] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[12:07] <ryanakca> freeflying_: hotkeys in kubuntu?
[12:08] <freeflying_> ryanakca: or hotkey-setup?