=== tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [12:08] Kamion: so really, my answer to that is to get involved with upstream maintenance, to see bugs as they land etc [12:08] (about controlling what goes in) [12:09] Kamion: re MUA, you'd think so [12:09] but really no [12:09] that's fair, and I know Ian's been trying - it's a big learning curve for somebody who never touched Mozilla source before joining Ubuntu though [12:09] a lot of people use thunderbird, a lot of others use mail.app/outlook/gmail/random [12:10] Kamion: suppose I could fix bug 66107 in a few minutes, could we do something with it for the release? [12:10] Malone bug 66107 in usplash-theme-ubuntu "Placeholder Theme is a Regression" [Wishlist,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66107 [12:10] Kamion: that's part of the thing that scares me [12:10] good developer-oriented changelogs would really help, though [12:10] mconnor: not every distro can hire Mozilla hackers right off the bat [12:10] Kamion: well [12:10] Riddell: Is the kubuntu desktop CD supposed to do WinFOSS under Windows? [12:10] Because it sort of fails to. [12:10] Kamion: sure, we're recruiting them first ;) === j_ack_ [n=nico@p508DB353.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] Kamion: its more that its a hard codebase to learn, and its hard for people on the outside to evaluate [12:11] mconnor: so really Mozilla needs to be working on the assumption that its downstreams are bootstrapping as best they can, but need guidance === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-067-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host116-138-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] Kamion: i.e. there's like four people in the world who really understand the JS engine, if they say its safe, I believe them, because they have a very strong track record === Evaso2 [n=Marem@host103-0-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] fschoep: probably, yes [12:12] Kamion: problem is, detailed changelogs and checkin comments make it pretty easy for black hats to figure out what's changing :) [12:13] it would be OK for the detailed changelogs and checkin comments to only become visible to the world after the release is unembargoed [12:13] sfllaw: yes === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Kamion: OK. I can only fix the artwork part (provide new PNGs), I'd need someone else to update the version number and upload it. Do you know someone who could do that for me? [12:13] Kamion: sure, but even better is to just watch the bugs as they happen, and instead of diverging, influence our changes :) [12:13] fschoep: I guess I can munge it into shape [12:14] Kamion: will you be here for another fifteen minutes? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] mconnor: I recognise that's the ideal, but do remember that distro packagers aren't working anywhere near full-time on Mozilla - Ian for example has a number of other significant projects [12:15] and yet sometimes we have urgent pressures of our own which we need to have the flexibility to be able to deal with in-house in a hurry [12:15] which free software gives us :) [12:16] fschoep: yeah [12:16] Kamion: OK, great - I'll be back in a jiffy with the new stuff [12:16] Well, not exactly new, but updated [12:17] Kamion: yeah, it just makes it harder for us to say that Ubuntu's Firefox == Mozilla's Firefox, which is the big problem [12:17] right, I don't think I want to get into that particular debate at 11:15pm on a Friday night :-) [12:18] (I've stayed resolutely out of it so far) === Wikipedia-Gast90 [i=JavaUser@84-73-115-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] why [12:19] fabbione, infinity: I'm packaging the security-fixed nvidia driver (8774->8776). debuild -S doesn't like me. :) [12:19] keescook sucks [12:19] oh, wow, we have an nvidia fix? Excellent. [12:19] yes, they were good enough to get 8776 out [12:19] Kamion sucks [12:19] ajmitch sucks [12:20] Kamion: yeah, they just released it. the -legacy one isn't vulnerable, they say, which is nice. [12:20] keescook: you suck [12:20] just 8762 & 8774, wasn't it? === keescook wonders where the chan ops are. [12:20] ajmitch sucks [12:20] keescool: the ops are in your ass [12:20] ajmitch: yup. [12:20] keescook is gay [12:21] Kamion: afaict, following 1.5.0.* branch is like a bug or two a day, seems easier to spread out than big bang when we release :) [12:21] mconnor sucks [12:21] ajmitch: I meant that 7184 isn't vuln. === gdh would like to thank Gentoo for sending a representative to -devel :) === jmr [n=G@208.104.75.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] Wikipedia-Gast90: you'll be kicked [12:21] keescook: right, what does dapper have? [12:21] I didn't see the other spam, I figured it was just a debian user [12:21] pygi sucks [12:22] Wikipedia-Gast90: I seriously suggest you stop! [12:22] pygi: its a script/bot, yeesh [12:22] pygi sucks [12:22] he's messing up other channels as well [12:22] kline! [12:22] jk sucks [12:22] mconnor: o joy! === gasbag [n=gasbag@68-116-196-5.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] pygi is a retard [12:23] <_ion> Don't i suck? Even a little? :-( === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] anyway, debuild -S doesn't like the new .run files. Do I need to create a new .orig file to get the stuff in there? [12:23] nalioth: Wikipedia-Gast90 [12:23] no, you are a worthless slime === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@84-73-115-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] by nalioth === Wikipedia-Gast90 was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by nalioth (nalioth) [12:24] keescook: what's the error message exactly? [12:24] Kamion: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to nvidia/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8776-pkg2.run: binary file contents changed [12:24] but looking at the .diff.gz I realize that this is actually something in the .orig. [12:25] keescook: you need a new .orig.tar.gz, certainly [12:25] okay [12:25] keescook: or else you have to uuencode it [12:25] Kamion: I think skip it [12:25] mdz: ok. I'd done the change just in case; it's not pretty :( [12:26] Riddell: Will file a bug and target at ubuntu-6.10 [12:26] sfllaw: it doesn't work? [12:26] Kamion: biggest problem is trying to figure out what is the exact nature of the changes you're looking to avoid, and I guess I don't get the split between -updates and -security completely, i.e. does a fix for a regression for a security bug go to -security? === jmr [n=G@208.104.75.83] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] [12:27] Riddell: It doesn't. [12:27] mconnor: yes, a fix for a -security regression would also go to -security, but would generally receive increased scrutiny just because it had been got wrong before [12:27] Trying to install merely opens a .lch text file. [12:27] It does not actually run the installer. [12:27] sfllaw: install anything? [12:27] Nope. [12:27] Let's say I click the "Install" icon for KDE-PIM. [12:27] I get: [12:27] [Launch] [12:28] Kamion: are there any cases of fixes Ubuntu hasn't taken that I can look at in launchpad? [12:28] ExecuteFile=${cwd}\..\programs\kdepim\KdepimSetup.exe [12:28] Whereas I expect KdepimSetup.exe to be executed. [12:29] Kamion: trying to wrap my head around this better, since we have a brand new maintenance branch and its easy to amend policy (i.e. 1.0.* was painfully strict on security, and as a result some annoying crashes or bad behaviours were never fixed) [12:29] sfllaw: ug [12:30] Is this a casper bug? [12:30] Or some other package? [12:30] sfllaw: winfoss is winfoss, not sure where you file it [12:30] Kamion: just a few more minutes [12:31] Riddell: I'll leave it in casper for now. [12:31] sfllaw: I don't think tfheen will that you for that [12:31] I guess not. [12:31] Kamion: I think I might have found the offending openoffice.org patch :) rebuilding now... [12:31] But it is a bug that I found. [12:31] On the LiveCD. [12:32] sfllaw: just don't specify a package and make sure heno is subscribed [12:32] mconnor: mdz probably has all the good examples of that === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b *!*@84-73-115-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] by nalioth [12:32] fschoep: thanks [12:33] Riddell: heno? OK. [12:33] within the nvidia subdir there is a debian.binary with it's own changelog. It looks like it hasn't been touched since Sep 2005. Should I ignore that file, or does it need an entry for the nvidia update too? [12:33] sfllaw: wonder if it's yet another thing being confused by /filesystem.squashfs/ [12:34] Unknown. [12:34] I can read the programs directory though. [12:34] And run the setup programs. [12:34] So I think it's probably a MIME type thingy. [12:34] Opening as text instead of launching ExecuteFile. [12:35] sfllaw: live CD specific, though? [12:35] Well, WinFOSS isn't anywhere else, right? [12:35] oh. winfoss. sorry, thought you meant Kubuntu proper [12:36] Kubuntu WinFOSS. === claviola [n=claviola@frotz.zork.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] right, what Riddell said then [12:37] mdz: ok to punt all the new artwork through unapproved? [12:37] Kamion: yes [12:37] figured that'd be a no-brainer ... [12:38] Kamion: Make sure it's pretty! [12:38] :) [12:38] mm, 'cos the queue interface makes it so easy for me to check that. :) [12:38] okay, this is a weird question, but... I tried to run "unrar" on a machine and got a warning that I should install either "unrar" or "unrar-nonfree" to have unrar on my machine. The thing is, which program is displaying that message? There is *no* unrar on my box at all [12:38] this is creepy. [12:39] claviola: magic [12:39] what are you guys up to? :-P [12:39] aka 'command-not-found' [12:39] ajmitch: oh. how does that work? can you link me to something? [12:40] all I know of it is the spec name [12:40] claviola, type "type unrar". [12:40] I think it's a bash hook linking up to Contents files, or something similar [12:41] micahcowan: bash: type: unrar: not found [12:41] that's what is creepy. [12:41] claviola: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandNotFoundMagic [12:41] of course I realized something else was doing that on purpose expectedly, I'm just curious how it's done. it's a nice touch [12:42] claviola: yeah, the bash hook gets called if you actually run the program [12:42] and I was right - it even uses magic in the spec name [12:42] it's probably best that it doesn't show up in type, so that scripts don't get confused [12:42] claviola: I hope unrar still exits non-zero? [12:42] claviola, running edgy? [12:42] it exits 0 [12:42] ! [12:43] that seems like a bug to me - surely that will break scripts [12:43] sure will [12:43] one reason I don't want to promote it to main and have it in desktop for edgy at this stage [12:43] That hook's a Debian extension, apparently. [12:43] Was wondering why I didn't know about it. [12:44] claviola: could you file that as a bug? [12:45] Kamion: sure, why not [12:45] Um. automake/conf assistance: requried file ./compile not found. Not understanding this. [12:46] what's an easy way to determine if a system is dapper or edgy, btw? /etc/debian_version is the same old 'testing/unstable' [12:46] claviola: lsb_release === bluefoxicy buhs as firefox repeatedly crashes. [12:46] ok [12:46] claviola: base it on the version of libc ? [12:46] we deliberately don't change debian_version because there are programs that fall back to that for distribution detection, and if they don't have anything specific for Ubuntu then Debian unstable is probably as good a bet as anything else [12:46] gdh: don't do that, please [12:46] lsb_release is the interface we provide for this [12:47] I thought that was a lame idea :) === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] Kamion: ping [12:47] lucasvo: Rather than just pinging me, please tell me what you want and I'll reply when I'm around. [12:47] but of course it depends why you want to know which distribution is there [12:47] Kamion: what is the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu for, you packaged? [12:47] Kamion: the makefile doesn't seem to work [12:48] Kamion: shall I e-mail the PNGs to you? [12:48] lucasvo: it's used on the boot screen of every Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu/Xubuntu CD [12:48] lucasvo: use dpkg-buildpackage [12:48] fschoep: yes please === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host217-44-6-189.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] lucasvo: the Makefile should work fine provided that you install the build-dependencies, though; debian/rules just calls make === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] Kamion: sent as "usplash-theme-ubuntu-0.4 PNGs", thanks in advance [12:51] Kamion: it has a problem with: make -C po: no such file or directory === j_ack [n=nico@p508DBA7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] Kamion: I can't find the command or a package called dpkg-buildpackage :( [12:53] lucasvo: well, that directory is certainly there [12:53] lucasvo: sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts fakeroot [12:53] (strictly just dpkg-dev, but you might as well have the rest if you're going to be building packages) [12:53] Kamion: is it relative to the current path? [12:54] is what relative? [12:54] because /usr/share/gfxboot-ubuntu-theme/ does not have a subfolder po [12:54] lucasvo: oh, don't run it in there, that's a known bug [12:54] Kamion: the po-dir [12:54] lucasvo: You're getting the error because 'make' is not installed [12:54] gdh: no he's not [12:54] no? erps :) [12:55] lucasvo: I know about that bug - just ignore the source files in there. only the bootlogo.tar.gz is really useful in that binary package [12:55] lucasvo: if you want to build it from source, 'apt-get source gfxboot-theme-ubuntu' === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ch.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_universe_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) [12:58] strange [12:58] I already apt-get source-d already packages [12:59] you've changed /etc/apt/sources.list since, by the looks of things; 'sudo apt-get update' [12:59] possible that the ch. mirror isn't .. mirroring edgy yet? :/ [01:00] $ HEAD http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/source/Sources.gz [01:00] 200 OK [01:00] :) [01:00] no, I didn't [01:01] well, I expect 'sudo apt-get update' will fix that, anyway [01:01] no it doesn't that's the problem [01:01] :) [01:02] lucasvo: I'm not sure what you're going to get out of this exercise, though. :-) What are you trying to do with gfxboot-theme-ubuntu? Just curious? [01:03] I was trying to install it with my grub. but I really don't know if that works [01:04] it won't work at all [01:04] sorry [01:04] is the livecd using grub at all? === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Kamion: anyway thanks for the help [01:05] no, the live CD uses syslinux for its boot screen [01:08] fschoep: just upgrading my laptop first so that I can test this [01:08] Kamion: no problem [01:08] it is very dependent on the screen settings [01:09] on my screen I don't normally see the problem, but it is there [01:10] this laptop has a 1280x854 panel, so it's usually easy to see not-quite-black rectangles [01:11] OK, but the non-black colors are very dark, but I know you know what you're talking about [01:12] yeah, may depend on my eyesight too [01:12] I must admit I didn't see a problem, but with gamma at 4.0 I can clearly see the issue :-) [01:18] <_ion> The new splash is quite okayish. A lot better than the temporary one. [01:19] _ion: right (I wont enter any discussions), but it's change at last minute once again :P [01:19] same as always ^_^ [01:20] <_ion> :-) === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] Kamion: any luck with it yet? [01:36] fschoep: upgrade still running ... [01:36] Kamion: ETA? [01:37] Kamion: It's just that it's 01:36 here and I can imagine more peaceful things to do :) [01:37] But I'd like to be on stand by if the need arrives === j_ack_ [n=nico@p508D9EDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] yeah, I know, I want to go to bed too - upgrade should be finished inside the next few minutes, then I'll reboot, then shove in the new artwork and reboot again === Nafallo pushed wave-look [01:38] Kamion: OK, thanks - I didn't mean to keep you up, honestly. [01:38] Nafallo: :) === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === erdalronahi_ [n=ceng@p50875D6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] ping pitti, doko === j_ack [n=nico@p508D9EDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] Kamion, mdz: can you take a quick look at my nvidia debdiff? (I manually removed the blog changes from this file so I could actually upload it in this lifetime.) [01:52] http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/edgy-fixes/nvidia-package-minus-blob-changes.debdiff === mdz wonders whether keescook forgot that he was in the UK or just assumed he'd be online and working at 0100 on saturday === keescook forgot :) [01:53] mdz: but I also saw you talking on the channel earlier. :) [01:53] keescook: that can't possibly be the complete diff; where are the upstream changes? === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-87-81.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] `(I manually removed the blog changes from this file so I could actually upload it in this lifetime.)' [01:54] it's not a complete diff. I replaced the 2 nvidia blobs also, but that's like 100M of diff. I'm uploading the full diff and other files ATM === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-26d86a13f6fc12eb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] though, the gzip'd full diff did just finish now: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/edgy-fixes/ [01:55] (only 43M!) [01:55] fschoep: ah yes, took a while to see it but was quite obvious once I did [01:55] testing the fix now [01:58] keescook: I think we should hold off on this until after the release [01:59] mdz: understood. I'm going to need time to test hoary/breezy/dapper anyway. [02:00] fschoep: yep, looking good, thanks! will upload as soon as the laptop's finished booting [02:00] fschoep: get some sleep :-) === fschoep_ [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] fschoep_: did you get my comments just now? [02:01] Kamion: I think I just dropped off the net [02:01] 01:00 < Kamion> fschoep: yep, looking good, thanks! will upload as soon as the laptop's finished booting [02:01] 01:00 < Kamion> fschoep: get some sleep :-) [02:01] Kamion: OK, thanks :) [02:01] Kamion: get some sleep as well :) [02:01] fschoep_: I wouldn't mind adding a debian/copyright file though ... who's the author? [02:02] Kamion: that is: === fatsheep [n=ubuntu@74.130.193.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] doko_, was it pitti or you who wanted a bug for mozilla-firefox-locale-ku? [02:02] fschoep_: and licence? [02:02] Dennis Kaarsemaker , Jonathan Austin and Frank Schoep [02:02] I always put myself at the back [02:02] And the license is CC-SA [02:03] thanks [02:03] Kamion: so, goodnight then and thanks so much for doing this [02:04] not a problem [02:04] BTW, will you also close the bug [02:04] or is that automated or something? [02:06] Kamion: well, I'm off to bed, see you soon hopefully === Mez [i=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] erdalronahi_: -> pitti [02:09] ok, he is not here, I think. Good night then. [02:12] So I've got this unified diff which is applying weird... it edits a file, and appends to the end of it. the diff segment starts with the last 4 lines from the opriginal file, then a + for every new line, including a closing +} because it's a C file and the function is over. [02:12] Except that last +} isn't being added. [02:13] n/m got it. ;) [02:14] :P === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-87-81.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] just wanted to report that edgy rc1 plus current updates works very nicely on Dell Dimension 3000 [02:28] Kamion, mdz: would you consider moving broffice.org into main instead of universe? people from Brazil are asking about this (apparently there is a company which hold trademarks on "OpenOffice"); the package is a dependency package plus it diverts desktop files and icons [02:30] doko_: don't we use openoffice.org instead of jsut openoffice for that very reason? [02:31] Burgundavia: seems to be something else, will ask our Brazilian mafia ... [02:32] doko_: in feisty, yes === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] doko_: the current broffice package is broken and will be uninstallable, as far as I can see; it shares files with openoffice.org-common [02:38] unless you're pulling some mad tricks [02:43] keescook: Err, do you need any help with that nvidia/LRM update? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] infinity: I think I got it figured out, but mdz wants to hold off until after edgy releases. [02:44] keescook: Fair enough. I tend to get nervous, personally, when people mangle LRM for the first time. :) [02:44] did you look at the blobless debdiff? I just wanted to make sure I got the versioning right for it. === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:44] it installed and tests out okay for me at least. :) [02:45] Oh. This just gets cooler and cooler. [02:45] ok, I'm not going to be around until Sunday and probably not much then, so I'm going to bump edgy CD images to say Release in .disk/info [02:45] Guess my bug is now in pam_unix. [02:46] I don't expect there'll be many builds between now and Monday, and Monday will probably be nearly the last one [02:47] keescook: Lookd fine to me. Replaced the files in /nvidia in the orig.tar.gz, and updated a whopping 1 variable in debian/rules. :) [02:48] keescook: (updating nvidia is much less hassle than fglrx... If you need to do fglrx at some point, you'll have to talk to me.) [02:48] infinity: yeah. not too hard; just had to convince myself I wasn't breaking it. :) [02:48] okay, good to know. :) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] are there any dedicated systems that have nvidia + old releases? [02:50] keescook: Rephrase in a way that I can understand after 4 hours of sleep? :) [02:51] ah, sorry about that. Are there any computers I can use to test updates of l-r-m on? [02:51] Kamion: should http://tiber.tauware.de/~crimsun/lirc_0.8.0-5ubuntu1_to_0.8.0-9ubuntu1.diffstat be a post-Edgy update? It's a straightforward merge from Sid that has been verified to close quite a few bugs (28941, 29641, 45400, 45703, 47997, 53111, 67258). [02:51] i.e. do we keep hoary + nvidia installed anywhere? [02:51] keescook: No, we're pretty lacking in a company-sponsored test setup. [02:52] keescook: I used to use my wife's machine for testing nvidia stuff. [02:52] keescook: You're not planning on upgrading hoary to 8776, are you? [02:52] infinity: I need a drive hot-swap bay. then I can keep a mess of installs. :) [02:53] infinity: that's not my first choice, no. [02:53] keescook: Hoary's current nvidia driver has legacy support, so we'd at least want to wait for them to release an updated -legacy. [02:53] legacy, says nvidia, isn't vulnerable. [02:53] Oh, then hoary isn't. [02:53] Is the whole 7000 series not vulnerable? [02:53] Cause then breezy's safe too. [02:54] They say 8178 and earlier are safe. [02:55] score, then only dapper needs an update. Easy. [02:55] nice === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] I hadn't checked earlier versions yet; been busy with qt updates [02:55] And 8762 -> 8776 in dapper is not going to be painful. [02:55] very nice. It looks like the "current" l-r-m build system was introduced in dapper? [02:56] Yeah. [02:56] I adopted LRM at the end of breezy and made some changes, but the remval of crack and making versioning and updates simpler happened in dapper. [02:57] If you ever have to update breezy, you'll want to talk to someone who's been through the pain. :) [02:57] cool. I noticed that l-r-m/nvidia/debian.binary/changelog hadn't been updated since breezy, so I figured the magic happened in dapper [02:57] (The changelog back then can attest to the pain, as people made 3 rapid-fire uploads in a row) [02:57] yeah, I got scared when I saw fabio's README. :) [02:58] nvidia/debian.binary is sketchy at best, and may well not even work right now. It's not something that gets looked at much. Feel free to ignore it. [02:58] I did. :) [02:58] crimsun: I'd need to see the whole diff - but better ask somebody who's more awake [02:58] I'm off to bed now; night === infinity reads nvidia's press release. [02:59] thanks [02:59] keescook: Heh, they mention the exact versions we ship, much easier. :) [02:59] "NVIDIA can confirm that this bug is only present in the NVIDIA UNIX Graphics drivers 1.0-8762 and 1.0-8774" [02:59] Handy. [02:59] infinity: hehe. Yeah. [03:01] keescook: When we do the update for LRM, we'll also need to update XRM, by the way. [03:02] (It uses the same orig.tar.gz, though, which makes life easy... I made sure of that) [03:02] infinity: xrm? you mean the nvidia-glx stuff? isn't that all from the same source? === fatsheep [n=ubuntu@74.130.193.56] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:06] keescook: XRM, xen-restricted-modules. [03:06] keescook: New, as of edgy. [03:06] ah! okay. [03:08] infinity: isn't copied source fun? [03:19] Kamion: ok, feisty, it's not broken, these are diverted files === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] whens the cut off for uploads? [03:28] Mez: some days ago [03:29] Nafallo, even for bugfix patches? [03:29] Mez: well, all uploads need approval. [03:30] Nafallo.... It'd be a big bugfix patch for katapult to make it's features work properly [03:30] so depends on those nice RMs :-) [03:30] Mez: If it doesn't fix a high impact or RC bug, we'll likely not approve it. [03:30] Mez: If it's a universe upload, talk to ajmitch or dholbach, they are more lenient than I am about main. === Nafallo should file a bug about Ubuntu Wave :-) [03:31] Ahh, katapult is main. I suspect you don't have a hope. [03:31] infinity, it's for main [03:31] bug 60136 [03:31] Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136 [03:31] bug 48103 [03:31] Malone bug 48103 in katapult "Katapult don't start with swedish localisation" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48103 [03:31] and bug 49901 [03:31] Malone bug 49901 in katapult "Katapult slows down to a near crawl when amarok is open" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/49901 [03:32] Mez: Well, be quick, and make sure the patches are discrete (in case we want to approve one, but not another) and easily-audited, and "we'll see". [03:32] "easily audited" ? [03:32] Mez: But no promises. We release in under a week. [03:33] yeah - i understand [03:33] Mez: Easily audited, as in, if the patch is huge and messy, we're not going to understand it well enough to deem it safe. [03:33] cool - np [03:33] heh how time fly [03:33] Mez: If the bugs are bad enough, in your opinion, but the changes a bit scary, best to hold off to after release, and try to go the proposed/updates route. === gdh [i=foobar@80-192-144-33.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === hutchGuy [n=unknown@static-203-192-95-61.vic.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] Oh dear god, the new wallpaper is BRIGHT. === starsky-hutchy [n=unknown@static-203-192-95-61.vic.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] I no longer have any text:background contrast on my desktop. [03:44] Woo. [03:44] infinity: you want the reverted Ubuntu Wave instead? ;-) === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [03:45] Nafallo: Anything darker, really. I can't actually read anything on my desktop now. Seems less than ideal. [03:45] I haven't seen the new wallpaper. === Nafallo goes to look [03:46] It's very... Caucasian. [03:46] And while I appreciate skin as much as the next person, it's not an ideal desktop colour. [03:47] looks dark === infinity blinks. [03:47] maybe I'm not up-to-date or something? [03:48] I am. looks dark to me :-) [03:48] http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/Screenshot-3.png [03:48] Very not dark. [03:49] aha! Simple is default... === Nafallo thought Dark Chocolate was the default === bhale notices infinity is an american tv leaching criminal [03:49] bhale: It's either that or wait 2 years for stuff to run on .au TV. [03:49] infinity: heh. [03:50] hmm [03:50] (Or, what happened in this case, Season 1 started running here, I thought it was pretty good, then noticed there were already 3 seasons in the US) [03:50] I shouldn't say how many tv-series I have atm ;-) [03:50] I doubt disney cares to litigate individuals in au [03:51] anyway [03:51] 188G 170G 18G 91% /srv/tv-series *whistles* [03:51] The classic moment was when everyone here was raving about "that new show, Oz", and I had to break it to them that it had been cancelled in the US 6 years ago. [03:51] hm not that long ago I think [03:52] Oh, only 3 years, I gues. Though we were watching season 1 here, which is from 1997. [03:52] ended 2003 [03:52] that's how I feel about Doctor Who in the US. :P [03:52] keescook: yes, but Doctor Who sucks, so that's okay. :) [03:53] infinity: ssssh! la la la I can't hear you [03:55] infinity: router_password.txt with a nice little thumbnail of the file contents... [03:55] Amaranth: Not my router. [03:55] hehe [03:55] lol [03:55] that's one way to look at it ;-) [03:55] Also, not a current password, it looks like. [03:57] Screenshot-2 had a current password on it, though. I never learn. :) [03:57] (It got changed about 3 seconds after I posted it) [03:57] hehe [03:57] changed by you, I hope. ;) === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.154.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] Yeah, it was on a private network anyway, but I'm paranoid. [03:57] that's alright, when i was working on PyMusique i once gave out a file with my iTunes password in it (hooked to a credit card) [03:58] paranoia is a good thing :-) [03:58] (Or, rather, only listening on a private interface) === DMT [n=dapper@137.141.233.59] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] hey everyone - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27621/ is a bug im experiencing [03:59] DMT: Do what it says [03:59] how do I file that information? [03:59]