[12:24] <Q-FUNK> anybody knows how to enable the svn plug-in in anjuta?
[01:02] <herzi> ajmitch: still around?
[01:04] <ajmitch> yes
[01:08] <Nafallo> ajmitch: can I upload a new trivial package after I've tested that it builds and works? :-)
[01:08] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hi btw :-). I don't think we said that today yet.
[01:09] <ajmitch> Nafallo: explain what you mean by new trivial package?
[01:09] <ajmitch> something that has to go through NEW?
[01:09] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I forked dholbach blubuntu-look and made a wave-look of it. yea, has to go through NEW :-).
[01:10] <ajmitch> then you probably can't upload just on my ok
[01:10] <Nafallo> hmm, ok. bug+subscribe someone then?
[01:10] <ajmitch> even then you'd have to talk really nicely to archive admins to get them to process NEW
[01:11] <ajmitch> yes
[01:11] <ajmitch> bug+subscribe motu-uvf
[01:11] <Nafallo> alright :-)
[01:12] <mwolson> i wonder if it would be useful to have a module for an Apple Remote driver in edgy+1 ... i've made one at http://kilobyte.rcac.purdue.edu/ubuntu already called apple-remote-source
[01:13] <bhale> !revu
[01:13] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[01:51] <crimsun> does anyone use lirc?
[01:53] <mwolson> crimsun: i recently played around with it and got it working with gxine
[01:55] <crimsun> mwolson: do you mind testing a merge candidate in, oh, 30 minutes?
[01:55] <crimsun> I'm wading through these src:lirc bugs, and most of them can be closed with a merge
[01:56] <mwolson> crimsun: it depends on what you want me to do -- if it's bug triage, i don't have time for that atm
[01:56] <mwolson> if it's just checking to see whether it breaks something in my own config, sure
[01:56] <crimsun> mwolson: I would need you to test the lirc-modules-source binary package to check if it generates a valid lirc-modules* binary package that can be installed and configured successfully.
[01:58] <mwolson> i could test the default setup for that, since i ran across some compilation issues with the current lirc-modules-source (though i realized later that i didn't even need these modules), so sure
[01:58] <mwolson> where do i get the candidate?
[01:58] <crimsun> give me about 25 minutes
[01:58] <crimsun> I need to triple-check my merged source package
[01:58] <mwolson> ok
[02:18] <crimsun> mwolson: http://tiber.tauware.de/~crimsun/
[02:18] <crimsun> mwolson: I've verified it builds and installs against linux-headers-$(uname -r) [using -generic] 
[02:19] <crimsun> mwolson: please test lirc-modules-source (build, install) and lirc (runs). Remember to unload your current lirc modules first.
[02:20] <crimsun> mwolson: for the record, this merge should close bug 28941, 29641, 45400,
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28941 in lirc "lirc-modules-source package doesn't install the /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf file." [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28941
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29641 in lirc "Can't reconfigure lirc" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29641
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45400 in lirc "uderquoted definition of AC_PATH_LIRC" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45400
[02:20] <crimsun> and bug 53111, 67258
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53111 in lirc "Unable to build lirc_gpio module" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53111
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67258 in lirc "Source package doesn't build" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67258
[02:21] <crimsun> oops, and bug 45703
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45703 in lirc "Unable to use modules in dapper" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45703
[02:24] <mwolson> ok, already found one (probably minor) issue; shall i paste the output on rafb.net?
[02:24] <crimsun> sure
[02:29] <mwolson> http://rafb.net/paste/results/MMvwPd22.html
[02:31] <crimsun> hmm.
[02:31] <crimsun> I take it you don't have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
[02:33] <crimsun> it definitely compiles and installs; I need the actual lirc usage to be tested
[02:33] <mwolson> crimsun: i think module-assistant is supposed to take care of that for me
[02:33] <mwolson> oh
[02:36] <mwolson> well, usage of lirc-modules-source is something i can't test, because i don't use any of those modules (dev/input is all i need)
[02:36] <mwolson> but yes, it does build properly now
[02:37] <crimsun> ok, can you test the actual lirc functionality?
[02:37] <crimsun> I don't have any IR device(s) here
[02:37] <mwolson> sure
[02:38] <crimsun> also, which $arch are you using?
[02:39] <mwolson> generic i386
[02:39] <crimsun> does anyone use [!386] , have an IR device, and is willing to test the lirc merge?
[02:45] <mwolson> hmm ... lircrcd does not seem to be loading now (added the first line to ~/.lircrc to enable it)
[02:45] <mwolson> though irw is showing events going throuugh
[02:46] <mwolson> that could be because liblircclient0 and lirc are now out-of-sync version-wise
[02:46] <crimsun> I presume you're using lirc_0.8.0-9ubuntu1_i386.deb (and possibly lirc-x_0.8.0-9ubuntu1_i386.deb)?
[02:46] <crimsun> oh, d'oh
[02:46] <mwolson> yes
[02:47] <crimsun> sorry about that
[02:47] <crimsun> refresh the dir
[02:48] <crimsun> (forgot to copy over those debs)
[02:51] <mwolson> after installing the new liblircclient0, it works again, though i had to restart lircd afterward for it to start working
[02:52] <crimsun> ok, thank you for testing.
[02:53] <mwolson> you're welcome
[03:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I'm not supposed to sub the archive admins for bug #67280 yet, right? :-)
[03:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67280 in Ubuntu "[NEW]  wave-look_0.1-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67280
[03:54] <ajmitch> Nafallo: correct
[03:54] <Nafallo> okidoki :-)
[03:55] <Nafallo> I'll just wait now then ;-)
[04:28] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:29] <Nafallo> imbrandon: gnight :-)
[04:29] <Nafallo> gnight *. I need to sleep.
[04:30] <imbrandon> heh later Nafallo
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey all
[04:40] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[04:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:40] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:45] <imbrandon> ;P
[06:45] <imbrandon> hoya Hobbsee
[06:46] <Werdnum> hello
[06:46] <Hobbsee> heay
[06:46] <imbrandon> ello Werdnum
[06:46] <Werdnum> #ubuntu-devel says I should bug you guys to get involved
[06:47] <imbrandon> sure, we're in a release freeze right now, but read up on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:47] <imbrandon> is a good start
[06:48] <Werdnum> hmm
[06:49] <Werdnum> it's not particularly informative
[06:49] <imbrandon> Werdnum, well what are you wanting to know ?
[06:50] <Werdnum> the site is very information-dense, however it's difficult to figure out what's relevant to me
[06:50] <imbrandon> exactly, i'll nudge you in the right direction if you give me a little more to go on then "i want to help" hehe
[06:50] <Werdnum> I'd like to see something like "so you want to help out with coding on ubuntu" with a step by step or point form list of ideas.
[06:51] <Werdnum> well, I've done a lot of C#, quite a bit of Perl, quite a bit of C++, and a little on most mainstream languages
[06:51] <Werdnum> C++ primarily for windows, though
[06:51] <imbrandon> there realy isnt one, as 90% of ubuntu isnt "code" its packages from upstream code, so if you want to code as in c++ or such your better off looking upstream
[06:52] <Werdnum> well.. I'm pretty flexible
[06:52] <imbrandon> e.g pick a program you like ( say your favorate music app ) and grab the source for it , talk to upstream and code away
[06:52] <StevenK> Werdnum: If you know Ada, I have a bug you can fix. :-)
[06:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:52] <Werdnum> I was just giving you a rough overview of my coding experience -- basically I've used Kubuntu for a while, and love it, and am interested in giving back.
[06:52] <Werdnum> nah, sorry, no Ada
[06:52] <PWill> Is the Flash 9 beta going to be in the Edgy repos?
[06:52] <Werdnum> I can probably figure it out :-P
[06:52] <PWill> Or will we wait for Feisty?
[06:53] <imbrandon> PWill, not in the edgy repos its too late but seveas and me both have it in our edgy repos
[06:53] <imbrandon> Werdnum, great
[06:53] <PWill> What's the URL?
[06:53] <imbrandon> Werdnum, we always welcome help
[06:54] <Werdnum> :-)
[06:54] <imbrandon> PWill, http://seveas.imbrandon.com
[06:54] <Werdnum> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Tasks
[06:54] <imbrandon> is one mirror
[06:54] <Werdnum> looks promising
[06:54] <PWill> imbrandon: Thanks
[06:55] <imbrandon> Werdnum, if your interested in kubuntu packaging and helping squish bugs ( thats actualy one of the things i do too , kubuntu rocks shhh ) first off familiarize your self with deb packagaing ( url to follow ) then start picking bugs in LP and poke us in #kubuntu-devel or here with patches / fixes
[06:55] <imbrandon> !package guide
[06:55] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[06:56] <imbrandon> Werdnum, if you want more specifics than that i need more info to go on ;)
[06:57] <imbrandon> Werdnum, basicly hang out in here and there and read those, ask us questions and you'll catch on fairly quickly i'd assume
[06:57] <Werdnum> mmmmk
[06:59] <imbrandon> i know its kinda dauting and gerneral but you stated a general goal ( eg "helping out" ) so kinda hard to be more specific untill you kinda drop into a niche you wanna help with
[06:59] <Werdnum> thanks
[06:59] <Werdnum> :=P
[07:06] <imbrandon> Werdnum, here is a little bit of info on kubuntu specifics to packaging https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu
[07:06] <imbrandon> just fyi
[07:19] <Werdnum> imbrandon: is there a bugtrackerof things to do?
[07:20] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/
[07:21] <imbrandon> it holds all our teams, bugtracker profiles etc etc etc
[07:22] <Werdnum> sneaky
[07:22] <imbrandon> sneaky ?
[07:24] <Werdnum> ignore my twisted humour
[10:15] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, ping.
[10:15] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, pong
[10:19] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ??
[10:19] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, hi.
[10:19] <imbrandon> heya
[10:19] <Fujitsu> I've reproduced that not-installing thing with flashplugin-nonfree...
[10:19] <Fujitsu> On a complete reinstallation.
[10:19] <Fujitsu> It never unpacks the .deb.
[10:19] <Fujitsu> Your repo is stuffed, it appears.
[10:20] <imbrandon> wow thats strange, works here ( and for a few others ) but i'll check again
[10:20] <imbrandon> might be messing up on the md5 sums
[10:22] <crimsun> the flashplugin-nonfree trigger
[11:02] <pirast> Hobbsee, what went wrong in uploading the dsc in bug 38093?
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "[SYNC]  [UNMETDEPS]  engmail-locales has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093
[11:02] <Hobbsee> pirast: it was being highly painful - wouldnt generate the .changes file
[11:02] <Hobbsee> etc
[11:03] <pirast> Hobbsee, :-(
[11:04] <pirast> now i have to find someone else to upload it.
[11:05] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you'd better fix that
[11:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks for offering :)
[11:08] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm not sure if Fujitsu did it.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, no, I didn't end up doing that.
[11:08] <StevenK> Ah, it did gen the changes file, it just didn't include the orig.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[11:09] <Fujitsu> I can't find the initial Debian version.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> using -sa and everything
[11:09] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hrrm. -S -sa should have been cool.
[11:12] <pirast> Hobbsee, you downloaded "enigmail-locales_0.9x-20061010.orig.tar.gz" as far as I see..
[11:12] <pirast> mhpf
[11:12] <pirast> my fault
[11:12] <pirast> looked like being wrong
[11:13] <pirast> could anybody else try to upload it then please?
[11:14] <StevenK> pirast: Point me at the bug?
[11:14] <pirast> StevenK, bug 38093
[11:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "[SYNC]  [UNMETDEPS]  engmail-locales has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093
[11:14] <siretart> morning
[11:15] <StevenK> I saw Hobbsee build and install it last night, so I'll just upload it.
[11:15] <pirast> would be nice.. thanks
[11:19] <StevenK> Uploaded.
[11:19] <StevenK> Let's see how Soyuz likes it.
[11:20] <pirast> I hope it will like it :-) Tried to days in order to get it working with our Thunderbird :-)
[11:20] <pirast> *two
[11:30] <palski> I have a fix for Bug #49640, but I'm not sure where should I send it
[11:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49640 in xchat-systray "xchat-xsys crash" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49640
[11:30] <Hobbsee> StevenK: it wont like it.
[11:31] <Hobbsee> palski: what's the fix, and can you stick a debdiff on the bottom of that bug?
[11:32] <phanatic> morning
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hey phanatic
[11:33] <palski> Hobbsee:  it is a code-fix
[11:35] <palski> I havent' use depdiff before, where should I go to study?
[11:35] <phanatic> heya Hobbsee
[11:35] <imbrandon> palski, debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > package.debdiff
[11:37] <palski> imbrandon: thanks, but how can I build a new.dsc?
[12:31] <giskard> hello
[12:32] <jsmidt> Hello, I maintain texmaker for debian.  Texmaker fails to build in edgy.  I have fixed Ubuntu's package.  How can I upload the changes?
[12:38] <seaLne> jsmidt: possibly file a bug with the diff?
[12:39] <jsmidt> seaLne, thanks.  I just did that.
[12:40] <jsmidt> just let me know if you need me to do anything else.  I would like to see texmaker working when edgy is released. :)
[12:40] <seaLne> it depends on the severity as unfortunatly edgy is frozen now
[12:41] <seaLne> but if it currently dosen't work, thats bad :)
[12:41] <jsmidt> Too bad. It really is a minor chance.  One line of code and one dependancy change. :(
[12:41] <seaLne> Bug #67333
[12:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67333 in texmaker "texmaker fails to build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67333
[12:51] <Fujitsu> jsmidt, can you please provide a debdiff?
[12:51] <jsmidt> Upload that to launchpad?
[12:52] <Fujitsu> Yep, attached to that bug report.
[12:52] <jsmidt> Okay, one second
[12:52] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:01] <jsmidt> Fujitsu, I uploaded a debdiff, tell me if it is what you wanted
[01:03] <Fujitsu> ... that doesn't look like a debdiff to me...
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Try `debdiff first.dsc last.dsc'
[01:03] <Fujitsu> (replace first.dsc and last.dsc with the appropriate names)
[01:06] <jsmidt> sorry, I for whatever reason thought you wanted debdiff first.deb last.deb.  I uploaded the correct debdiff
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[01:08] <Fujitsu> Now that's a little more readable :)
[01:08] <jsmidt> :)
[01:11] <Fujitsu> (I'm looking at it now, I'll upload it if it's sane)
[01:12] <jsmidt> thanks
[01:12] <Fujitsu> Is that extra dependency necessary? Why would it have ever built if it wasn't?
[01:12] <Fujitsu> *if it was
[01:13] <jsmidt> It is necessary in Unstable.  I'll admit I just assumed the same for edgy when building in Edgy gave the same error I was getting in Unstable
[01:15] <jsmidt> By the way,  Ubuntu Rocks! You guys seem to have pulled off a miracle.
[01:16] <Fujitsu> I've had very little to do with it :P
[01:17] <jsmidt> A miracle in the sense that in just a couple years you have set the new standard of what constitutes a great linux distro.
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Yes, it has been quite amazing.
[01:24] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Yay for the modesty.
[01:24] <Fujitsu> StevenK, I have had almost nothing to do with it! Most of the packages I've touched are practically worthless, and they're all in universe, and all the changes have been very minor..
[01:25] <herzi> ajmitch: around?
[01:25] <Fujitsu> jsmidt, it builds fine without that extra dependency.
[01:26] <jsmidt> okay, If it is not needed that's good to know
[01:27] <herzi> somehow my uploads to revu don't appear on the revu website
[01:27] <herzi> do the packages need to pass smoe filter?
[01:27] <jsmidt> Do you want me to recompile without the extra dependency?
[01:27] <Fujitsu> herzi, did you add yourself to ubuntu-univserse-contributors, and get the keyring synced?
[01:27] <Fujitsu> jsmidt, I have done so.
[01:27] <jsmidt> Fujitsu, thanks
[01:27] <herzi> Fujitsu: i added myself, yes
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Now I need to get this approved for upload...
[01:28] <Fujitsu> herzi, did your request that the keyring be synced?
[01:28] <herzi> and iirc, someone asked for a sync between my application and my upload
[01:28] <herzi> so "maybe not"
[01:28] <herzi> is there a way to check for this?
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Did you build with debuild -S -sa?
[01:29] <herzi> yes
[01:30] <Fujitsu> Which package is it?
[01:31] <herzi> bioapi, pam-bioapi, bioapi-bsp-upek
[01:32] <herzi> there's still lots of stuff to do for these packages, but I wanted to have a source upload so others can report their results with these packages
[01:32] <Fujitsu> OK, you'll have to get a REVU admin to look at it... THe most likely cause is your key not being on the keyring.
[02:06] <herzi> siretart: ping
[02:06] <siretart> herzi: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[02:06] <herzi> siretart: ping, revu-administration :-D
[02:07] <StevenK> siretart: Bwahaha, shades of tfheen.
[02:07] <Nafallo> haha
[02:08] <herzi> absolutely, though siretart has got a friendlier package around "i don't resond to empty pings"
[03:03] <cyberquiet> hi, I ran into problems while upgrading from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5...
[03:03] <Nafallo> Fujitsu (n=Fujitsu@h26n1fls33o917.telia.com) <-- hmm...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> cyberquiet: which problems?  and dapper or edgy?
[03:04] <cyberquiet> dapper
[03:05] <cyberquiet> first, the startkde script was trying to start kdeinit by running a nonexistent command called start_kdeinit
[03:05] <cyberquiet> so I had to modify the startkde script by hand
[03:08] <cyberquiet> secondly, I was able to update most kde apps without upgrading the kdelibs packages, but this made the apps unusable. after updating kdelibs all seems to run fine
[03:11] <cyberquiet> apparently also now notifications in konversation do not work anymore...
[03:15] <cyberquiet> Hobbsee: can you hear me? ;-)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> cyberquiet: why wouldnt you update the libs with the rest of the packages????
[03:18] <cyberquiet> Hobbsee:  I forgot to! but I think if a package is essential for another there should be a dependency....
[03:18] <Hobbsee> cyberquiet: did you use the repository for this, or install the packages individually?
[03:19] <cyberquiet> I use synaptic
[03:19] <cyberquiet> with the repositories provided on www.kubuntu.org
[03:20] <Hobbsee> so the libs would have automatically gotten upgraded as well as the packages, if you'd done a standard upgrade?  that's what usually happens
[03:20] <cyberquiet> it didn't happen in my case
[03:21] <cyberquiet> have you problems with the notifications, too?
[03:24] <nightrat> hi
[03:24] <nightrat> anybody knowledge about building mozilla trunk on edgy? i saw a bugreport about that, there is a workaround mentioned, does anyone know something about that issue? building on dapper with gcc 4.1 works, but fails on edgy with gcc 4.1
[03:26] <cyberquiet> Hobbsee: it seems kdelibs4c2a is in the dependecies, but kdelibs-data and kdelibs4-dev are not. not sure about that, anyway
[03:28] <cyberquiet> I was wrong: after looking at dpkg.log I can say I upgraded manually also kdelibs4c2a
[03:31] <cyberquiet> Hobbsee: anyway, this is not a big issue, anyone could fix that. but the first problem I encountered completely put my KDE to its knees, so it should be fixed if it's a bug
[03:36] <cyberquiet> wow! now the start_kdeinit command is in my /usr/bin folder! it must gotten installed by the upgrade to the kdelibs, so why not fix those damn dependencies?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> they should be fixed.
[03:38] <cyberquiet> Hobbsee: who is the one responsible of packaging those packages
[03:38] <cyberquiet> ?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> cyberquiet: Riddell.  you're also the first person to report that problem though
[03:40] <cyberquiet> but I exclude I am also the first upgrading to kde3.5.5! :-P
[03:41] <Hobbsee> possibly.  i thought we had more people who have tested that
[03:41] <Riddell> we did
[03:41] <cyberquiet> don't know what could went wrong...
[03:42] <cyberquiet> with me
[03:45] <cyberquiet> for example synaptic says me konqueror requires only kdelibs4c2a version 3.5.3 or greater, but without upgrading to 3.5.5 it was unusable
[03:46] <cyberquiet> when i say konqueror, I intend konqueror 3.5.5
[03:46] <StevenK> So the shlibs file for kdelibs4c2a needs to be tightened, and all KDE apps rebuilt. *Not* cool, about one week before release.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: it's dapper.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> !info kdelibs4c2a dapper
[03:47] <ubotu> kdelibs4c2a: core libraries for all KDE applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 8138 kB, installed size 24336 kB
[03:47] <StevenK> Oh.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and its' just a >=3.5.3 thing, which will usually tend to still work
[03:50] <cyberquiet> sorry but i must go offline a second, I hope we'll be able to tackle the issue
[03:54] <cyberquiet> I'm here again :-)
[03:57] <cyberquiet> no news?
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:29] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[04:30] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 16h 11m 53s ago, quiting: "Quitting, send all complaints > /dev/null"
[04:35] <tuxmaniac> !seen sabdfl
[04:36] <ubotu> sabdfl is on IRC right now!
[04:36] <tuxmaniac> :-)
[04:36] <Q-FUNK> :D
[05:19] <ecki> hello
[06:41] <siretart> herzi: and I do read backlog ;)
[06:41] <herzi> great
[06:41] <herzi> can you sync the revo keyring please?
[06:42] <herzi> revu
[06:48] <siretart> running
[06:49] <herzi> thanks a lot
[06:51] <rmjb> hello all, I'm looking at udev, the one in edgy is based on 093-0 but I can't find that version in debian unstable. They have version 092-2 then 093-1, in a case like this, is this a pure ubuntu package? i.e. one that's not synced with debian?
[06:51] <herzi> rmjb: experimental?
[06:52] <rmjb> unstable
[06:52] <herzi> did you also look at debian experimental?
[06:53] <siretart> syncing keyring finished
[06:53] <herzi> siretart: thanks a lot
[06:54] <rmjb> where can I find package info for experimental? on packages.debian.com they list stable, testing and unstable
[06:54] <rmjb> (I'm new to this)
[06:54] <siretart> rmjb: I'd say that udev in ubuntu behaves quite differently compared to debian
[06:54] <herzi> it doesn't get listed there
[06:54] <herzi> rmjb: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/udev
[06:54] <siretart> rmjb:  http://patches.ubuntu.com/u/udev/udev_093-0ubuntu18.patch is the patch to the ubuntu package, about 2.2mb big
[06:55] <siretart> rmjb: why are you interested in udev?
[06:55] <rmjb> siretart: okay, i'm asking because in debian it seems to run at S03 but in edgy it runs at S10
[06:55] <rmjb> and dmraid, which needs to run after udev runs at S02
[06:55] <rmjb> sorry, dmraid is at S03 in edgy
[06:55] <herzi> revu is also for multiverse packages?
[06:56] <siretart> herzi: sure
[06:57] <herzi> siretart: can you please delete the *bioapi* stuff from my previous upload attempts?
[06:57] <herzi> or will they get synced automatically now?
[06:57] <rmjb> so the sync (or merge?) on MoM for the lasted dmraid doesn't work since it moved dmraid to S05 to run after udev, but that's in debain
[06:57] <rmjb> s/lasted/latest
[06:59] <siretart> herzi: queue cleared
[06:59] <herzi> thanks again
[06:59] <siretart> rmjb: sounds like dmraid needs to be fixed
[06:59] <rmjb> yeah, I'd like to take a try at it
[06:59] <rmjb> so I'm looking at udev first
[07:06] <rmjb> to start a merge/sync fix, download the updated files from MoM right?
[07:06] <rmjb> then work on fixing those?
[07:29] <siretart> rmjb: depends on what you actually want to do. if you want to fix things, apt-get source the package
[07:29] <rmjb> ignore the new version on MoM?
[07:29] <Nafallo> *sigh* I need a faster amd64 :-/
[07:30] <siretart> rmjb: if you want to merge a new upstream from debian, it is helpfull in many cases to apply the ubuntu debdiff from the last version to the new version, and resolve the conflicts manually
[07:30] <siretart> rmjb: MoM does the latter in an automated way.
[07:31] <rmjb> okay, I hope I understood what you said... we'll see
[07:31] <siretart> well, MoM leaves you with the conflicts alone, obviously
[07:33] <rmjb> I'd like to resolve the conflict on MoM first before doing my own fix, I saw grab-merge.sh, so I'll use that
[07:55] <rmjb> dh_installdocs 1.0.0.rc9/{CREDITS,KNOWN_BUGS,README,TODO}
[07:55] <rmjb> cp: cannot stat `1.0.0.rc9/{CREDITS,KNOWN_BUGS,README,TODO}': No such file or directory
[07:56] <rmjb> is that an old or new format for the dh_installdocs command that my current version cannot take?
[08:03] <rmjb> anyone, if I apt-get source a current package the sudo pbuilder build that package it should work right? because I get the above error when I do so
[08:04] <rmjb> s/package the sudo/package then sudo
[08:19] <Toadstool> hey everybody
[08:19] <rmjb> hey Toadstool
[08:20] <Toadstool> hi rmjb
[08:39] <LaserJock> oh for goodness sakes
[08:39] <Toadstool> hmm?
[08:39] <LaserJock> bug #67441
[08:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67441 in texlive-base "What is added value of texlive packages vis--vis TeXLiveCD from TUG?" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67441
[08:40] <Toadstool> oh, cool
[08:40] <Toadstool> I love this kind of bug reports
[08:41] <Q-FUNK> ?!
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, what gets me most is that somebody just goes and marks it "confirmed"
[08:43] <LaserJock> I just never really know how to respond to stuff like that
[08:44] <Q-FUNK> speaking of this, any chances of someone confirming 66821, 66822 and 66823 ?
[08:44] <Toadstool> bug 66821, 66822 and 66823
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66821 in rt2400 "Please sync rt2400 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66821
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66822 in rt2500 "Please sync rt2500 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66822
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66823 in rt2570 "Please sync rt2570 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66823
[08:47] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not exactly sure what the policy right now is for that
[08:49] <Toadstool> LaserJock: only debian changes which fix the package.. I'd say that this is ok
[08:50] <Toadstool> (and I've already confirmed the 1st one)
[08:50] <LaserJock> yeah, but *all* uploads are supposed to be approved by the motu-uvf team
[08:50] <Toadstool> yeah, true :/
[08:56] <Nafallo> ey!
[08:56] <Nafallo> rt2??0 is in our default kernels ffs :-)
[08:56] <Nafallo> from upstream CVS :-)
[09:00] <LaserJock> rmjb: just got you mail :-)
[09:00] <ajmitch> morning
[09:00] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[09:04] <LaserJock> yeah? I've been saying that since July :-)
[09:05] <kagou> hi
[09:11] <Q-FUNK> Nafallo: rt2x00 ?
[09:12] <Nafallo> Q-FUNK: that to. but the ones above are legacy.
[09:12] <Q-FUNK> Nafallo: if it's rt2x00, then yes, it's the one that should go into vanilla around 2.6.20
[09:12] <Q-FUNK> yes, they are
[09:12] <Nafallo> rt2x00 fr rt61 and 7-something...
[09:13] <Q-FUNK> rt2x00 replaces all the above 3 legacy drivers
[09:13] <Nafallo> 5
[09:13] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:13] <Q-FUNK> it's a clean rewrite
[09:13] <Q-FUNK> yup, plus two rt6x
[09:13] <herzi> ajmitch: ping (fedora-ds)
[09:13] <Nafallo> I think rt2500 is what really got me into linux :-)
[09:14] <Nafallo> hinting people about ralink breaking gpl and stuff :-)
[09:14] <Nafallo> that made it gpl'd :-)
[09:15] <Q-FUNK> too bad nobody dared port madwifi stuff to add USB support to the prism driver
[09:18] <ajmitch> herzi: hello
[09:20] <herzi> ajmitch: as i wrote in my email: i'd like to get fedora-ds done together with you
[09:20] <herzi> how far did you get?
[09:33] <ajmitch> herzi: I started on a few of the supporting packages
[09:33] <ajmitch> herzi: we're going to be discussing all this at MV - you may want to join the ubuntu-directory team (and channel) at some point
[09:33] <ajmitch> I haven't spent a lot of time on FDS yet
[09:37] <Nafallo> I've compiled xen-source the whole day on my laptop :-P
[09:37] <Nafallo> finally got around to add server for amd64 :-)
[09:37] <Nafallo> bddebian: *spanks* hiya! :-)
[09:38] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[09:38] <Toadstool> hey Barry!
[09:38] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[09:48] <ajmitch> Nafallo: well aren't you silly
[09:48] <Nafallo> ajmitch: well, I really do want it :-)
[09:51] <ajmitch> heh
[09:59] <Q-FUNK> Toadstool: only the 1st one?
[10:00] <Toadstool> Q-FUNK: uhuh, sorry.. was on something else and totally forgot to take a look at the remaining bug reports
[10:03] <siretart> \sh_away: RN+   5 ( 11k): 21.10.06, 21:50 [ 223: Ubuntu Installer        ]  Accepted fai 3.1ubuntu1 (source)
[10:05] <Nafallo> ...and fails miserably :-P
[10:06] <siretart> Nafallo: \sh has asked me if I was working on fai 3 packages for ubuntu
[10:06] <siretart> Nafallo: I just told him that they just got ACCEPTED
[10:06] <Nafallo> ah, kewl :-)
[10:08] <ajmitch> siretart: using mutt? :)
[10:08] <Nafallo> aha.
[10:08] <Nafallo> it's a line from a mailapp :-)
[10:11] <fatsheep> is the #ubuntu-motu-school channel dead? :(
[10:15] <siretart> ajmitch: no, using gnus
[10:18] <rmjb> hey LaserJock i'm back, lunch
[10:58] <LaserJock> rmjb: heh, I was at lunch
[11:07] <rmjb_> Happy Divali to all
[11:07] <rmjb_> or Diwali, depending on your localisation