[12:17] freeflying_: system settings -> Regional & Languages -> Keyboard Layout [12:18] Set your keyboard model [12:18] freeflying_: keyboard & mouse -> keyboard shortcuts [12:18] Mez: hi [12:19] ryanakca: I mean some func key, like Fn+Fx [12:20] Riddell: just an FYI... I have a couple of patches to put into katapult in main ... fix for bug 48103 and bug 60136 [12:20] Malone bug 48103 in katapult "Katapult don't start with swedish localisation" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48103 [12:20] Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136 [12:23] Riddell, I've spoken to tfheen regarding them - he's going to speak to you after I post the patch for the second [12:24] Riddell: however, the first one's been available for a while (but I only found out about it last week due to it being filed under ubuntu and not showing up in any of my buglists) [12:32] Mez: and you think these should get into edgy? [12:32] interesting website redesign http://flavio.tordini.org/kubuntu-restyling/ [12:32] Riddell: yeah [12:32] interesting how it uses gnome icons [12:32] Riddell: I'm writing just now that it's an interesting idea === nuku2 [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Riddell: Ken's doing some modification to the website too, right? [12:36] yes [12:37] Riddell: yes I do ... they're pretty important fixes really... 1) it means katapult doesnt work in anything other than english language if not [12:37] 2) a core catalog doesnt work with the version in edgy [12:39] Mez: when will you have the patch posted? [12:40] in about 10 mins when I've had someone test it ;) [12:40] unless you want to ? [12:40] (I dont have access to a linux machine at present) [12:41] Tonio_, pong [01:02] imbrandon: fancy testing the packages for mulmedia stuff ?* [01:03] anyone fancy testing the fix for amarok/katapult ? [01:04] freeflying_: func key? [01:04] ryanakca: some functions key [01:05] freeflying_: like vol up/down? or something else? [01:05] if something else, no clue :) [01:06] ryanakca: vol up/down [01:06] yeah, you can set it by setting your keyboard model [01:07] Tonio_, sure, cf query [01:13] Riddell: patch attached to bug 60136 [01:13] Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136 [01:23] umm, how do I change my resolution without restarting X or editing my xorg.conf since the Monitor & Display of System Settings is broken? [01:23] bug 62223 [01:23] Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62223 [01:28] anyone mind my editing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems so that it looks more like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems [01:29] and removing the fixed bugs from that list? [01:30] Mez: got a debdiff against the current katapult? [01:31] Riddell: so we are kind of hosed on fixing the release notes? [01:33] nixternal: yep [01:33] alright...im going to work with jjesse, and from now on, every version# will become an entity. that way there, we can update version numbers w/o working about translation strings [01:34] fdoving just showed me 2 spelling mistakes as well in there...that kind of makes me mad that I let that slip through the cracks [01:34] nixternal: hosed on fixing the release notes? *wonders if this applies to the editing I'm doing at the moment* [01:35] no no [01:35] release notes in the kubuntu-docs package [01:35] kk, phew :) === ryanakca points to the KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems question above [01:36] ryanakca: if you want to help out more with documentation, im sure myself, jjesse, trappist, and robotgeek can put you to work come feisty work [01:36] oh btw, if you are interested, jjesse and i will begin work on a "Switching from Windows to Kubuntu" book as well [01:36] oooh, very :) [01:37] we will have a guide the will do desktop to desktop migration, but i would like to expand on that and also cover the main applications as well, i.e., Office to OOo or KOffice [01:37] not sure to what extend I can help, but I'd love to help wherever I can [01:38] grab the trunk svn from doc repos, follow along in there, learn some docbook and xml if you do't know it already...docbook and xml is very easy [01:39] i have kind of expanded in doc work, as I do the Kubuntu docs, now the Edubuntu docs (Handbook mostly) and working with KDE docs and learning the debian.docbook stuff [01:40] kindof like what's that book called... umm... by Marcel Gagne [01:40] "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye! " [01:41] heh, ya, but Kubuntu specific [01:43] kk, comes with a kubuntu live CD I presume? [01:43] XML from what I see, it's sole purpose is to organise information [01:43] yup [01:44] and then we use kde and kubuntu css and xsl templates to make the docs look the way they do [01:45] ah [01:45] ok, wheres the docbook howto/tutorial [01:46] http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html [01:46] how about the book instead ;) [01:47] *cough* *cough* *hack* *choke* *sputter* *dead* [01:47] [18:47:15] [Notice] -ChanServ- You have been added to the access list for #ubuntu-colorado with level [10] [01:47] I thought you said it was simple :) [01:47] i wonder if that was by accident? [01:47] the table of contents scares me :) [01:47] lol, no clue... [01:48] it is simple, it is as easy as html, especially once you get a grip on the tags [01:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam [01:48] that link will kind of go over the doc team stuff as well [01:48] ah, well, I'll look at it... [01:50] "Rights are granted by current Documentation Team administrators after some substantial contribution to the project. " :) [01:50] I guess in mean time, I'll be emailing stuff to you :D [01:54] yes [01:54] nixternal: wheres the svn trunk? [01:54] easier to mail the doc-list [01:54] kk [01:54] https://docteam.ubuntu.com [01:54] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk i think is the full [01:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository === ryanakca will probably end up learning DocBook the same way he learned HTML... by example :) [01:56] nixternal: think anybody would mind my editing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems so that it looks more like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems ? === nixternal notes that ryanakca is on the LP, which means he has the rights to edit away as well ;) [01:58] nixternal: I think docteam.ubuntu.com is down... "The server at 65.19.178.132 is taking too long to respond." [02:00] great, that would be because the italian loco is so massive and popular [02:00] it is up [02:12] kk, ty [02:14] nixternal: kubuntu/desktopguide/ ? [02:15] nixternal: and how would I export it? (I've never had to use svn before) [02:19] nixternal: and on Kubuntu/Release, why [[MailTo(foo AT bar DOT guru,foo(at)bar(dot)guru)] ] instead of [[MailTo(foo AT bar DOT guru)] ] ? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-233.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === httpdss [n=httpdss@r190-64-34-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:24] im trying to use keep for backup, the thing is that as destination i select remote:/Backup (which references smb://192.168.xxx.xxx/Backup) ... when trying to backup, log shows error, as if i dont have RW access to that share, but i do have RW access through konqueror... any clue? can someone reproduce this ?... === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.157] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.157] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] How goes? [06:07] DaSkreech: It doesn't. [06:08] Are you being Fiesty? [06:08] Fiesty? === DaSkreech grins [06:09] What s left to be wrapped up for Edgy Release? [06:09] Sorry I lost you, wave a bit so I may notice you in the sand. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] DaSkreech: more testing than you can shake Hobbsee's stick at [06:17] Who's been shaking Hobbsee's stick? [06:18] I think...she has? === Hobbsee shakes her stick menacingly at crimsun and DaSkreech [06:29] Oooh Memory Stick? [06:29] DaSkreech: ... === Hobbsee shakes her LONG POINTY STICK OF DOOOOM!!! at DaSkreech [06:30] How are you Hobbsee? I haven't seen you in like a month [06:30] that stick. === DaSkreech covers tender areas and backs off [06:30] DaSkreech: uni'ing, fixing unmet deps, etc [06:31] Hows Uni? Still mkaing you get up early? [06:31] yeah. when i get there :P === Hobbsee doesnt want to think on how much work she's missed [06:32] Bit OT but this is the way docs should be: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-speakingunix4/?ca=dgr-lnxw07UNIXpart4 [06:32] "From the dawn of the electronic age a scant 50 years ago..." === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.206] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:27] why does kontact show News icon, even though knode is not installed by default? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [i=qnRMXJZu@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] Lure: known feature, was discussed a while ago can't remember what was said tho === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:42] seaLne, w00 for organising akademy, wheres it going to be (not the city, the venue) [10:46] strath.ac.uk [10:46] says on the website :) [10:47] fancy helping? :) [10:48] grrr i was happy kpilot started working again in edgy but it has now removed all my todo and calendar entries :( [10:48] it synced them all to my computer and removed them from my treo :( [10:49] i have a completly empty cal and todo [11:04] can somebody explain to me why some KDE icons are in hicolor and other in crystalsvg ... what is the difference? [11:06] maybe there aren't crystal icons for them [11:06] seaLne: well the problem is the crystal icons for them (Konqueror, for instance) resides in hicolor insted of crystalsvg [11:07] my question is related to the bug 67507 I'm looking at right now [11:07] Malone bug 67507 in kdebase "Some image files are missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67507 [11:08] (so many typos in one sentence) [11:08] ok, that dosen't sound like what i said [11:09] seaLne: judging by the look of the icons the Crystal icons have been moved to hicolor, I just don't understand why [11:12] sorry not sure [11:14] seaLne: no problem :o) [11:15] i'm currently trying to restore my life to my palm :-/ [11:15] nixternal: you use a palm don't you? [11:16] does someone use smart on kubuntu? [11:19] as in the package manager? [11:35] seaLne: search in ~/.kde sometimes you find backup files when stuff is lost [11:36] seaLne: kmail deleted 3800 mails from my imap and I have found them still in disconnected impa folder [11:38] fdoving: yes! it segfault for me [11:39] marseillai: i don't have it installed, hang on. installing. [11:39] imbrandon: how do you package oxygen icons as icon theme? (you gave me once your tar file, but I have misplaced it somewhere... ;-)) [11:40] grab it from svn , then get the gen script from kwwii dir ( ken ) and run it [11:40] imbrandon: thanks [11:47] fdoving: it works now but i really don't see why everybody talks about smart ...... [11:57] marseillai: don't know, might be usable for people that want something that works for both dpkg and rpm distros. === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Beineri [n=Beineri@kde/binner] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] nixternal: ohwell. is the example-contents, kubuntu presentation to be more precise, also totally frozen? [12:21] (is it -doc?) stuff like 'TBD' 'Add some image here..' and everywhere says '6.06'.. [12:28] there is also a spelling mistake in kubuntu-leaflet.png - 'htpp://kubuntu.es' [12:29] I'll make bugreports. === mhb hopes it's not too late [12:35] are the example contents translated? === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] fdoving: I doubt it, at least in most languages [12:40] then there might still be a chance. 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Just run it and cancel it immediately. [01:25] <_Sime> fdoving: then I can compare the two traces, working vs non-working. [01:26] will do. [01:27] uploading. it'll be at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/displayconfig_py.txt in ~2min. slow upload :| [01:28] i could gzip it maybe. [01:28] _Sime: it is at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/displayconfig_py.txt.gz [01:29] <_Sime> thanks. [01:29] <_Sime> got it [01:33] <_Sime> fdoving: Do you have a file called "python-support.pth" on your system? [01:44] hang on, checking. (sorry about the delay) [01:44] python-support: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/python-support.pth [01:44] python-support: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth [01:44] i have two of them. [01:44] <_Sime> ok, [01:46] <_Sime> fdoving: Which package does "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/iconv_codec.pth" belong to? [01:47] python2.4-iconvcodec: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/iconv_codec.pth [01:49] <_Sime> fdoving: do you know where that package came from? [01:49] hmm.. checking. [01:50] Maintainer: Changwoo Ryu [01:50] Version: 1.1.2-2.2ubuntu1 [01:50] probably ubuntu somewhere.. [01:50] it's not in the repos anymore. [01:50] <_Sime> fdoving: is it in the edgy repository? [01:50] <_Sime> ok [01:50] <_Sime> I mean Ah ha! [01:50] <_Sime> remove that package and then test displayconfig. [01:50] hang on. [01:53] wooohooo! :) [01:53] _Sime: works. you rock. :) [01:53] <_Sime> fdoving: and in kde-system-settings? [01:54] ran with kcmshell displayconfig, checking in system settings now. [01:54] <_Sime> looks good [01:54] works in system settings too. [01:55] all guidance modules are now working. [01:55] <_Sime> whoohoo! [01:55] <_Sime> I hope you didn't need that old package. [01:56] probably didn't. I haven't re-installed since hoary. so it's probably just leftovers. === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] <_Sime> fdoving: thanks for your effort with this. It would not have been possible to track the problem down without those traces. [02:01] no problem, you did all the work :) [02:02] <_Sime> it was a b*st*rd of a bug too. [02:02] sure was. [02:03] <_Sime> something to do with shared libraries / modules conflicting. [02:04] also, this will probably only happen to people like me, who only update, and never reinstall. [02:06] will you add a conflict to the kde-guidance package? [02:07] <_Sime> I don't do any packaging, but yeah, I'll ask someone to add that conflict. [02:07] ok :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@188.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] hi* [02:24] <_Sime> hi [02:25] hi. === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-125-150.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] _Sime: your patches finally couldn't go in.... too late [02:54] know of any small package using cmake? [02:54] <_Sime> Tonio_: none of them? [02:54] _Sime: no :( [02:54] _Sime: but i've prepared packages for fiesty [02:55] _Sime: not including the latest but the previous version, so that we can wait for konq segfault to be fixed [02:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: will the new patches show up in an update? [02:55] _Sime: hum, hard to say... [02:55] _Sime: with the previous version, we have the segfault issue [02:56] _Sime: with the new patches, issues with 2 drives (which is a very common case) [02:56] _Sime: I think the reasonable way is to consider edgy as it is [02:56] something potentially unstable, and then focus on making fiesty more mature [02:56] _Sime: your patches are an attempt, as was systemsettings in the past [02:57] _Sime: something buggy but promissing, that will become great after 2 versions [02:57] _Sime: that's my feeling about them [02:58] _Sime: but Riddell will decide for updates, not me [02:58] <_Sime> ok, thanks. [02:59] hum, I'm thinking about placing a bounty on a konqueror issue [02:59] we have released 4 kubuntu versions without fixing this out....... [03:00] what issue is that? [03:01] fdoving: konqueror sometimes fail to mix kubuntu-default-settings [03:02] fdoving: that results incomplete menus etc..... [03:02] aw. not good. [03:02] fdoving: it happens when konqueror is restored in a kde session, or when using preload session [03:02] fdoving: it also happens when opening certain links that open a new window [03:03] fdoving: should be linked to ksettings somehow, bads usage or something I don't know [03:04] fdoving: I'm trying to clearly define the bug first, but I think I'l place a bounty for this, because I really want it to be fixed [03:04] the problem is that the way kubuntu defines its settings is different than what other distros do === eln is now known as el [03:04] [Directories-default] [03:04] prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ [03:04] this is the way we do in kderc [03:05] fdoving: we can workarround in patching and hardcoding the settings in kdebase, but I don't want that [03:06] hardcoding is generally bad. [03:06] hmm.. [03:06] are you aware of a package in the repos using cmake? [03:07] fdoving: hum... yes :) [03:07] strigi [03:07] qcomicbook [03:07] kde 4 [03:07] thanks :) [03:07] fdoving: not sure, if it is cmake or scons, but I think it is cmake [03:07] Riddell: what about kde4 ? :) [03:08] i'll get strigi, it's small and nice. [03:08] Riddell: ho you have been right not to change the session management in konq.... [03:08] Riddell: the 'konqueror fail to load kds' happens very often [03:09] Riddell: all preloaded sessions are failing the settings, resulting incompletes menus [03:09] Riddell: we really need to get that fixed once an for all... I'm tired of workarrounding this issue everytime :) [03:10] Riddell: kde4 is cmake based ? hehe [03:11] it is. === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] <_Sime> Riddell: have you read the IRC backlog? [03:11] _Sime: nope === eln is now known as el [03:12] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, then. Long story short. The kde-guidance package needs a "Conflict: python2.4-iconvcodec" added. [03:13] _Sime: is that's what has been causing the fail to load? [03:13] <_Sime> Riddell: this solves bug 62223 [03:13] Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62223 [03:13] <_Sime> Riddell: this is for that bug where all of the modules fail in k-s-s. [03:14] should konq show an icon when a hd is mounted that is ext3? [03:14] _Sime: do you know why it causes module to fail to load, and do you know why people have it installed? [03:15] <_Sime> Riddell: iconvcodec is an old package no longer in the repo. [03:16] <_Sime> Riddell: It contains a binary python module which gets read (for some reason) when Python starts up and runs the "site" module. [03:16] <_Sime> Riddell: when python is embedded, the site module would fail thanks to iconvcodec. [03:17] <_Sime> Riddell: I don't know why exactly iconvcodec would fail when embedded. [03:17] <_Sime> Riddell: but since it isn't even in the repo anymore, I consider the solution found. => remove that package. [03:17] it was in universe until dapper. [03:18] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=iconvcodec&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:25] fdoving: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=113517859227122&w=2 [03:25] fdoving: could be a patch for our bug ! [03:26] nice :) [03:26] compile & test then :) [03:31] _Sime: sounds good, I'll upload the change === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] fdoving: are you busy atm? [03:36] Riddell: there is also bug 67527 67530 67537 if a change is possible before release. (not very very important, but first impression can be improved) [03:36] Malone bug 67527 in example-content "[edgy] spelling mistake in kubuntu-leaflet.png" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67527 [03:37] gnomefreak: not very much. no. [03:38] fdoving: care to help someone with konq, krusader, bleh kde apps that are not viewing his filesystem ( /etc/ /boot/ and the rest) [03:38] gnomefreak: sure. where? [03:38] nautilus shows them if he chooses show hidden [03:38] #ubuntu+1 [03:38] mhb: hicolour is the fallback icon theme recognised by all freedesktop.org desktops, application icons go in there so they can be found by gnome and others [03:39] mhb: send me a patch to ktip if you want and I'll commit it in KDE's SVN [03:40] ryanakca: please do tidy up KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems if you havn't already [03:40] Riddell: already done [03:40] Riddell: what is the fastest way to rebuild kdelibs? dpkg-buildpackage every time? [03:42] mhb: debuild (== dpkg-buildpackage with a few extra checks) and debuild -nc after the first time which doesn't run make clean [03:45] mhb: i can only second your suggestion to include 'kdict' on the cd, i started it yesterday when talking to you about it, and i still have it running, I use it too :) === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242375048.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku2 [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] nixternal: kubuntu/desktopguide/ ? [04:00] nixternal: and how would I export it? (I've never had to use svn before) [04:03] nevermind the last question :) [04:04] Riddell: the systemsettings bug is a tough one [04:04] certainly is === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Riddell: the only key.value() if (key.data() == "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain") it prints is "desktop_kdelibs" ... I can't find that line anywhere [04:09] mhb: I'm not sure what you're doing [04:11] Riddell: sorry ... if (QString(key.data()) == "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain") { and then I print out key.data() an val.data() through qDebug() === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] mhb: what program are you running to test it? === tuxi [n=jan@dyndsl-085-016-228-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tuxi [n=jan@dyndsl-085-016-228-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === eln is now known as el [04:13] Riddell: none ... it's probably not the best way but I just recompiled the code with some qDebug() lines added and then watch what systemsettings say === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.2.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] mhb: well systemsettings is special because it uses kbuildsycoca [04:17] you could try running kbuildsycoca and see what happens [04:21] Riddell: so what program does open the .directory files? [04:21] Riddell: both strace and my primitive qDebug() lines indicate that it's not systemsettings itself [04:21] Riddell: is it kbuildsysoca? [04:22] mhb: they're cached by kbuildsycoca and system settings just reads the cache [04:26] Riddell: thanks, strace confirms that ... but the code in kconfigbacked.cpp applies for kbuildsycoca too, right? [04:26] Riddell: or not? [04:26] it /should/ do, but it may not [04:27] Riddell: it looks like it doesn't for some files [04:28] Riddell: which may be the trouble [04:31] Riddell: any idea why it shows so many "desktop_kdelibs" ? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/215260 === mbiebl [n=michael@e180094001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:32] mhb: try adding the name of the .desktop file it's reading to the debug output [04:32] ok === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:35] mhb: by the way it's faster just to run make && sudo make install in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/kdecore [04:39] Riddell: thanks [04:44] hmm.. what package introduces /.hidden ? [04:44] the .hidden file in / [04:45] kubuntu-default-settings [04:46] so non-kde-ubuntu doesn't have it? [04:48] it's not very compatible with using firefox. in firefox, when you select what application you want to use to open a certain filetype, you'll have to browse to find the binary. With /usr hidden users get stuck and give up. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [04:50] Riddell: any idea when the next set of daily cds would be built? [04:51] abattoir: tomorrow I'd guess [04:51] Riddell: ok, thanks === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:26] Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/215317 === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:28] fdoving: my Firefox simply ignores the .hidden file and displays them all :o) [05:28] fdoving: can't tell why, though [05:29] probab le becouse thats a feature of gnome and kde , ff uses pure gtk iirc [05:29] it just LOOKS like a gnome dialog === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:31] Riddell: I should probably call it with "--no-incremental" [05:32] Riddell: when I do it enters the gettextDomain for the problematic files [05:43] mhb: my firefox displays everything too. but on a clean edgy install the directories are hidden. [05:44] don't know where firefox gets its show/hide hidden files settings from. [05:48] fdoving: you are talking about directories in / [05:48] ? [05:48] mhb: just found out you can rightclick and select 'show hidden files' in the firefox file dialog. [05:48] marseillai: yes. [05:49] fdoving: takes a look at /.hidden and it's not firefox but every applications! :) [05:50] marseillai: i know this. but there should be a option to 'show hidden files' easily. and there is. but it's just not very clear, nor easy to find (for me atleast). === Jucato [n=Jucato@210.213.221.248] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PsyTec [n=lisa@64.18.146.82] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:26] Riddell: I can't do it by myself :o) but I really really hope you'll fix it somehow ... imagine what would reviewers say about Kubuntu when instead of "Keyboard & Mouse" there was "Users & Groups" [07:27] Riddell: and that's what'll happen to us even though we can't do anything as translators [07:28] mhb: I /think/ I've got it [07:28] it'll take a wee while to tidy it up and compile it then I'll need you to test [07:29] mhb: actually, could you try it as it is with http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kconfigbackend.cpp [07:29] right away === PsyTec [n=lisa@64.18.146.82] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [07:33] some weird error [07:33] what's that? [07:34] Riddell: a load of warnings and then make[4] : *** [libkdecore_la.all_cpp.lo] Error 1 [07:35] mhb: during compile? [07:35] Riddell: yes [07:35] mhb: try again with new http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kconfigbackend.cpp [07:37] everything ok in the world of kubuntu this fine sunday? [07:38] it will be if mhb says I've fixed this problem [07:39] Riddell: it continues compiling now [07:40] a good sign [07:40] Riddell: is there already a Riddell fan club? If so I might consider to join later today [07:40] wait until you've tested if this works yet === Jucato [n=Jucato@210.213.221.248] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === abattoir thought this channel was that === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] oh lord, the ubuntu fan clab created Ubuntu thongs, I sure hope that I don't see Riddell thongs ;) [07:47] lol [07:47] nixternal: great idea === nixternal parts [07:48] ;) === My8os [n=My8os@ppp3-69.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [07:48] i made some killer chili last night, literally [07:49] Who died? [07:49] Scott Tenorman ;) === marsport [n=marseill@AMarseille-256-1-125-150.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:50] i did [07:50] hi! [07:50] mhb: how's it going? [07:51] Riddell: i'm trying to upgrade my dapper to edgy and it wants remove kubuntu-desktop don't you want to see what says dist-upgrade? [07:51] hi marsport [07:51] marsport: it's a known problem, nothing we can do about it alas [07:51] Riddell: finishing install any minute now [07:51] i go ahead and remove it, and once the install is complete, i just reinstall it..only way to make it happy right now [07:51] i did the same with the "apt-get autoremove" [07:52] Riddell: oki so i wait to upgrade or i do it? then i install kubuntu-desktop ? === nixternal goes back to auto racing on tv [07:52] nixternal: F1 by any chance? or IRL ? [07:52] nascar ;) [07:52] i watched f1 earlier [07:53] irl is done for the season [07:53] heh, just had a discussion about that now :P, enjoy the race [07:53] oh [07:53] Riddell: should i upgrade or should i wait for a fix? [07:54] :O(( [07:55] Riddell: not yet [07:55] mhb: upgrade [07:55] mhb: what happened? [07:55] Riddell: nothing ... make install went ok, rebuilt --no-incremental ksycoca and then run systemsettings ... no effect [07:56] mhb: what's your problem string again? [07:56] an example you know is wrong but should work [07:57] Name=Keyboard & Mouse] [07:57] Name[cs] =Uivatel a skupiny [07:57] ? [07:57] yes [07:57] that's the most painful one [07:58] what does this give you? [07:58] strings /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo | grep Keyboard [07:59] (in the .mo file is Name=Klvesnice & my) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:59] Name=Keyboard & Mouse [08:00] (the translated string in the .mo file is Name=Klvesnice & my) [08:00] if you do.. [08:00] touch /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo [08:00] kbuildsycoca 2>&1 | less [08:00] what does it give as debug output for desktop_kde-systemsettings? [08:01] should I only touch it? [08:02] sorry [08:02] touch /usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-keyboardmouse.directory [08:02] kbuildsycoca 2>&1 | less [08:04] I'll pastebin it, one moment [08:05] Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/215555 should be it [08:07] mhb: try adding this to the kdecore directory [08:07] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/klocale.cpp [08:07] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/klocale.h [08:08] Riddell: i've not understood. This bug can not be solve so i can upgrade now? or it'll be solve before release and i should wait? [08:09] marseillai: it won't be resolved, you should do dist-upgrade then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [08:10] oki thanks riddell === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-125-150.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-125-150.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:26] mhb: progress? [08:28] Riddell: make installing === Riddell waits nervously === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-125-150.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:31] sorry .o) can't speed it up [08:40] Riddell: rebuilding sycoca [08:41] Y A Y! [08:41] :) [08:42] Riddell: Keyboard& Mouse translated correctly [08:43] Riddell: User Management and Monitor & Display keep untranslated but that's nothing important [08:43] Riddell: other stuff is OK === mhb always knew Riddell's the greatest! [08:45] why are they untranslated? [08:45] Riddell: not sure ... I'll check [08:46] Riddell: maybe they aren't translated in the .mo file, I dunno [08:48] hmm, no desktop_guidance in the langpacks [08:49] desktop-guidancce present, though [08:49] don't tell me it's a typo :o)) [08:50] hmmm [08:50] translated in desktop-guidance [08:50] yes, wonder how that happened [08:50]