[12:17] <ryanakca> freeflying_: system settings -> Regional & Languages -> Keyboard Layout 
[12:18] <ryanakca> Set your keyboard model
[12:18] <ryanakca> freeflying_: keyboard & mouse -> keyboard shortcuts
[12:18] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[12:19] <freeflying_> ryanakca: I mean some func key, like Fn+Fx
[12:20] <Mez> Riddell: just an FYI... I have a couple of patches to put into katapult in main ... fix for bug 48103 and bug 60136
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48103 in katapult "Katapult don't start with swedish localisation" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48103
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136
[12:23] <Mez> Riddell, I've spoken to tfheen regarding them - he's going to speak to you after I post the patch for the second
[12:24] <Mez> Riddell: however, the first one's been available for a while (but I only found out about it last week due to it being filed under ubuntu and not showing up in any of my buglists)
[12:32] <Riddell> Mez: and you think these should get into edgy?
[12:32] <Riddell> interesting website redesign http://flavio.tordini.org/kubuntu-restyling/
[12:32] <mhb> Riddell: yeah
[12:32] <Riddell> interesting how it uses gnome icons
[12:32] <mhb> Riddell: I'm writing just now that it's an interesting idea
[12:34] <mhb> Riddell: Ken's doing some modification to the website too, right?
[12:36] <Riddell> yes
[12:37] <Mez> Riddell: yes I do ... they're pretty important fixes really... 1) it means katapult doesnt work in anything other than english language if not
[12:37] <Mez> 2) a core catalog doesnt work with the version in edgy
[12:39] <Riddell> Mez: when will you have the patch posted?
[12:40] <Mez> in about 10 mins when I've had someone test it ;)
[12:40] <Mez> unless you want to ?
[12:40] <Mez> (I dont have access to a linux machine at present)
[12:41] <imbrandon> Tonio_, pong
[01:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: fancy testing the packages for mulmedia stuff ?*
[01:03] <Mez> anyone fancy testing the fix for amarok/katapult ?
[01:04] <ryanakca> freeflying_: func key?
[01:04] <freeflying_> ryanakca: some functions key
[01:05] <ryanakca> freeflying_: like vol up/down? or something else?
[01:05] <ryanakca> if something else, no clue :)
[01:06] <freeflying_> ryanakca: vol up/down
[01:06] <ryanakca> yeah, you can set it by setting your keyboard model
[01:07] <imbrandon> Tonio_, sure, cf query
[01:13] <Mez> Riddell: patch attached to bug 60136
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60136
[01:23] <ryanakca> umm, how do I change my resolution without restarting X or editing my xorg.conf since the Monitor & Display of System Settings is broken?
[01:23] <ryanakca> bug 62223
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62223
[01:28] <ryanakca> anyone mind my editing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems so that it looks more like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[01:29] <ryanakca> and removing the fixed bugs from that list?
[01:30] <Riddell> Mez: got a debdiff against the current katapult?
[01:31] <nixternal> Riddell: so we are kind of hosed on fixing the release notes?
[01:33] <Riddell> nixternal: yep
[01:33] <nixternal> alright...im going to work with jjesse, and from now on, every version# will become an entity. that way there, we can update version numbers w/o working about translation strings
[01:34] <nixternal> fdoving just showed me 2 spelling mistakes as well in there...that kind of makes me mad that I let that slip through the cracks
[01:34] <ryanakca> nixternal: hosed on fixing the release notes? *wonders if this applies to the editing I'm doing at the moment*
[01:35] <nixternal> no no
[01:35] <nixternal> release notes in the kubuntu-docs package
[01:35] <ryanakca> kk, phew :)
[01:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: if you want to help out more with documentation, im sure myself, jjesse, trappist, and robotgeek can put you to work come feisty work
[01:36] <nixternal> oh btw, if you are interested, jjesse and i will begin work on a "Switching from Windows to Kubuntu" book as well
[01:36] <ryanakca> oooh, very :)
[01:37] <nixternal> we will have a guide the will do desktop to desktop migration, but i would like to expand on that and also cover the main applications as well, i.e., Office to OOo or KOffice
[01:37] <ryanakca> not sure to what extend I can help, but I'd love to help wherever I can
[01:38] <nixternal> grab the trunk svn from doc repos, follow along in there, learn some docbook and xml if you do't know it already...docbook and xml is very easy
[01:39] <nixternal> i have kind of expanded in doc work, as I do the Kubuntu docs, now the Edubuntu docs (Handbook mostly) and working with KDE docs and learning the debian.docbook stuff
[01:40] <ryanakca> kindof like what's that book called... umm... by Marcel Gagne
[01:40] <ryanakca> "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye! "
[01:41] <nixternal> heh, ya, but Kubuntu specific
[01:43] <ryanakca> kk, comes with a kubuntu live CD I presume?
[01:43] <ryanakca> XML from what I see, it's sole purpose is to organise information
[01:43] <nixternal> yup
[01:44] <nixternal> and then we use kde and kubuntu css and xsl templates to make the docs look the way they do
[01:45] <ryanakca> ah
[01:45] <ryanakca> ok, wheres the docbook howto/tutorial
[01:46] <nixternal> http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html
[01:46] <nixternal> how about the book instead ;)
[01:47] <ryanakca> *cough* *cough* *hack* *choke* *sputter* *dead*
[01:47] <nixternal> [18:47:15]  [Notice]  -ChanServ- You have been added to the access list for #ubuntu-colorado with level [10] 
[01:47] <ryanakca> I thought you said it was simple :)
[01:47] <nixternal> i wonder if that was by accident?
[01:47] <ryanakca> the table of contents scares me :)
[01:47] <ryanakca> lol, no clue...
[01:48] <nixternal> it is simple, it is as easy as html, especially once you get a grip on the tags
[01:48] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[01:48] <nixternal> that link will kind of go over the doc team stuff as well
[01:48] <ryanakca> ah, well, I'll look at it...
[01:50] <ryanakca> "Rights are granted by current Documentation Team administrators after some substantial contribution to the project. "  :)
[01:50] <ryanakca> I guess in mean time, I'll be emailing stuff to you :D
[01:54] <nixternal> yes
[01:54] <ryanakca> nixternal: wheres the svn trunk?
[01:54] <nixternal> easier to mail the doc-list
[01:54] <ryanakca> kk
[01:54] <nixternal> https://docteam.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <nixternal> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk i think is the full
[01:54] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[01:56] <ryanakca> nixternal: think anybody would mind my editing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems so that it looks more like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems ?
[01:58] <ryanakca> nixternal: I think docteam.ubuntu.com is down... "The server at 65.19.178.132 is taking too long to respond."
[02:00] <nixternal> great, that would be because the italian loco is so massive and popular
[02:00] <nixternal> it is up
[02:12] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[02:14] <ryanakca> nixternal: kubuntu/desktopguide/ ?
[02:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: and how would I export it? (I've never had to use svn before)
[02:19] <ryanakca> nixternal: and on Kubuntu/Release, why [[MailTo(foo AT bar DOT guru,foo(at)bar(dot)guru)] ]  instead of [[MailTo(foo AT bar DOT guru)] ] ?
[04:24] <httpdss> im trying to use keep for backup, the thing is that as destination i select remote:/Backup (which references smb://192.168.xxx.xxx/Backup) ... when trying to backup, log shows error, as if i dont have RW access to that share, but i do have RW access through konqueror... any clue? can someone reproduce this ?...
[06:03] <DaSkreech> How goes?
[06:07] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: It doesn't.
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Are you being Fiesty?
[06:08] <Tm_T> Fiesty?
[06:09] <DaSkreech> What s left to be wrapped up for Edgy Release?
[06:09] <Tm_T> Sorry I lost you, wave a bit so I may notice you in the sand.
[06:17] <crimsun> DaSkreech: more testing than you can shake Hobbsee's stick at
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Who's been shaking Hobbsee's stick?
[06:18] <crimsun> I think...she has?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Oooh Memory Stick?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ...
[06:30] <DaSkreech> How are you Hobbsee? I haven't seen you in like a month
[06:30] <Hobbsee> that stick.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: uni'ing, fixing unmet deps, etc
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Hows Uni? Still mkaing you get up early?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> yeah.  when i get there :P
[06:32] <Tm_T> Bit OT but this is the way docs should be: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-speakingunix4/?ca=dgr-lnxw07UNIXpart4
[06:32] <Tm_T> "From the dawn of the electronic age a scant 50 years ago..."
[08:27] <Lure> why does kontact show News icon, even though knode is not installed by default?
[10:36] <seaLne> Lure: known feature, was discussed a while ago can't remember what was said tho
[10:42] <Mez> seaLne, w00 for organising akademy, wheres it going to be (not the city, the venue)
[10:46] <seaLne> strath.ac.uk
[10:46] <seaLne> says on the website :)
[10:47] <seaLne> fancy helping? :)
[10:48] <seaLne> grrr i was happy kpilot started working again in edgy but it has now removed all my todo and calendar entries :(
[10:48] <seaLne> it synced them all to my computer and removed them from my treo :(
[10:49] <seaLne> i have a completly empty cal and todo
[11:04] <mhb> can somebody explain to me why some KDE icons are in hicolor and other in crystalsvg ... what is the difference?
[11:06] <seaLne> maybe there aren't crystal icons for them
[11:06] <mhb> seaLne: well the problem is the crystal icons for them (Konqueror, for instance) resides in hicolor insted of crystalsvg
[11:07] <mhb> my question is related to the bug 67507 I'm looking at right now
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67507 in kdebase "Some image files are missing" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67507
[11:08] <mhb> (so many typos in one sentence)
[11:08] <seaLne> ok, that dosen't sound like what i said
[11:09] <mhb> seaLne: judging by the look of the icons the Crystal icons have been moved to hicolor, I just don't understand why
[11:12] <seaLne> sorry not sure
[11:14] <mhb> seaLne: no problem :o)
[11:15] <seaLne> i'm currently trying to restore my life to my palm :-/
[11:15] <seaLne> nixternal: you use a palm don't you?
[11:16] <marseillai> does someone use smart on kubuntu?
[11:19] <fdoving> as in the package manager? 
[11:35] <Lure> seaLne: search in ~/.kde sometimes you find backup files when stuff is lost
[11:36] <Lure> seaLne: kmail deleted 3800 mails from my imap and I have found them still in disconnected impa folder 
[11:38] <marseillai> fdoving: yes! it segfault for me
[11:39] <fdoving> marseillai: i don't have it installed, hang on. installing.
[11:39] <Lure> imbrandon: how do you package oxygen icons as icon theme? (you gave me once your tar file, but I have misplaced it somewhere... ;-))
[11:40] <imbrandon> grab it from svn , then get the gen script from kwwii dir ( ken ) and run it
[11:40] <Lure> imbrandon: thanks
[11:47] <marseillai> fdoving: it works now but i really don't see why everybody talks about smart ......
[11:57] <fdoving> marseillai: don't know, might be usable for people that want something that works for both dpkg and rpm distros.
[12:19] <fdoving> nixternal: ohwell. is the example-contents, kubuntu presentation to be more precise, also totally frozen? 
[12:21] <fdoving> (is it -doc?) stuff like 'TBD' 'Add some image here..' and everywhere says '6.06'.. 
[12:28] <fdoving> there is also a spelling mistake in kubuntu-leaflet.png - 'htpp://kubuntu.es' 
[12:29] <fdoving> I'll make bugreports.
[12:35] <fdoving> are the example contents translated? 
[12:38] <mhb> fdoving: I doubt it, at least in most languages
[12:40] <fdoving> then there might still be a chance.
[12:40] <mhb> if such Rosetta translation exists it's not visible on the first few pages
[12:41] <mhb> "Edgy example-content does not have any strings to be translated through Rosetta. "
[12:42] <fdoving> :)
[01:15] <_Sime> fdoving: ping
[01:18] <fdoving> _Sime: ack.
[01:25] <_Sime> fdoving: Can i get you to do a "strace -o displayconfig_py.txt displayconfig"? Just run it and cancel it immediately.
[01:25] <_Sime> fdoving: then I can compare the two traces, working vs non-working.
[01:26] <fdoving> will do.
[01:27] <fdoving> uploading. it'll be at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/displayconfig_py.txt in ~2min. slow upload :|
[01:28] <fdoving> i could gzip it maybe.
[01:28] <fdoving> _Sime: it is at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/displayconfig_py.txt.gz
[01:29] <_Sime> thanks.
[01:29] <_Sime> got it
[01:33] <_Sime> fdoving: Do you have a file called "python-support.pth" on your system?
[01:44] <fdoving> hang on, checking. (sorry about the delay)
[01:44] <fdoving> python-support: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/python-support.pth
[01:44] <fdoving> python-support: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth
[01:44] <fdoving> i have two of them.
[01:44] <_Sime> ok,
[01:46] <_Sime> fdoving: Which package does "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/iconv_codec.pth" belong to?
[01:47] <fdoving> python2.4-iconvcodec: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/iconv_codec.pth
[01:49] <_Sime> fdoving: do you know where that package came from?
[01:49] <fdoving> hmm.. checking.
[01:50] <fdoving> Maintainer: Changwoo Ryu <cwryu@debian.org>
[01:50] <fdoving> Version: 1.1.2-2.2ubuntu1
[01:50] <fdoving> probably ubuntu somewhere..
[01:50] <fdoving> it's not in the repos anymore.
[01:50] <_Sime> fdoving: is it in the edgy repository?
[01:50] <_Sime> ok
[01:50] <_Sime> I mean Ah ha!
[01:50] <_Sime> remove that package and then test displayconfig.
[01:50] <fdoving> hang on.
[01:53] <fdoving> wooohooo! :)
[01:53] <fdoving> _Sime: works. you rock. :)
[01:53] <_Sime> fdoving: and in kde-system-settings?
[01:54] <fdoving> ran with kcmshell displayconfig, checking in system settings now.
[01:54] <_Sime> looks good
[01:54] <fdoving> works in system settings too.
[01:55] <fdoving> all guidance modules are now working.
[01:55] <_Sime> whoohoo!
[01:55] <_Sime> I hope you didn't need that old package.
[01:56] <fdoving> probably didn't. I haven't re-installed since hoary. so it's probably just leftovers.
[02:01] <_Sime> fdoving: thanks for your effort with this. It would not have been possible to track the problem down without those traces.
[02:01] <fdoving> no problem, you did all the work :)
[02:02] <_Sime> it was a b*st*rd of a bug too.
[02:02] <fdoving> sure was.
[02:03] <_Sime> something to do with shared libraries / modules conflicting.
[02:04] <fdoving> also, this will probably only happen to people like me, who only update, and never reinstall.
[02:06] <fdoving> will you add a conflict to the kde-guidance package? 
[02:07] <_Sime> I don't do any packaging, but yeah, I'll ask someone to add that conflict.
[02:07] <fdoving> ok :)
[02:22] <Tonio_> hi*
[02:24] <_Sime> hi
[02:25] <fdoving> hi.
[02:54] <Tonio_> _Sime: your patches finally couldn't go in.... too late
[02:54] <fdoving> know of any small package using cmake? 
[02:54] <_Sime> Tonio_: none of them?
[02:54] <Tonio_> _Sime: no :(
[02:54] <Tonio_> _Sime: but i've prepared packages for fiesty 
[02:55] <Tonio_> _Sime: not including the latest but the previous version, so that we can wait for konq segfault to be fixed
[02:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: will the new patches show up in an update?
[02:55] <Tonio_> _Sime: hum, hard to say...
[02:55] <Tonio_> _Sime: with the previous version, we have the segfault issue
[02:56] <Tonio_> _Sime: with the new patches, issues with 2 drives (which is a very common case)
[02:56] <Tonio_> _Sime: I think the reasonable way is to consider edgy as it is
[02:56] <Tonio_> something potentially unstable, and then focus on making fiesty more mature
[02:56] <Tonio_> _Sime: your patches are an attempt, as was systemsettings in the past
[02:57] <Tonio_> _Sime: something buggy but promissing, that will become great after 2 versions
[02:57] <Tonio_> _Sime: that's my feeling about them
[02:58] <Tonio_> _Sime: but Riddell will decide for updates, not me
[02:58] <_Sime> ok, thanks.
[02:59] <Tonio_> hum, I'm thinking about placing a bounty on a konqueror issue
[02:59] <Tonio_> we have released 4 kubuntu versions without fixing this out.......
[03:00] <fdoving> what issue is that? 
[03:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: konqueror sometimes fail to mix kubuntu-default-settings
[03:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: that results incomplete menus etc.....
[03:02] <fdoving> aw. not good.
[03:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: it happens when konqueror is restored in a kde session, or when using preload session
[03:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: it also happens when opening certain links that open a new window
[03:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: should be linked to ksettings somehow, bads usage or something I don't know
[03:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm trying to clearly define the bug first, but I think I'l place a bounty for this, because I really want it to be fixed
[03:04] <Tonio_> the problem is that the way kubuntu defines its settings is different than what other distros do
[03:04] <Tonio_> [Directories-default] 
[03:04] <Tonio_> prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/
[03:04] <Tonio_> this is the way we do in kderc
[03:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: we can workarround in patching and hardcoding the settings in kdebase, but I don't want that
[03:06] <fdoving> hardcoding is generally bad.
[03:06] <fdoving> hmm..
[03:06] <fdoving> are you aware of a package in the repos using cmake? 
[03:07] <Tonio_> fdoving: hum... yes :)
[03:07] <Riddell> strigi
[03:07] <Tonio_> qcomicbook
[03:07] <Riddell> kde 4
[03:07] <fdoving> thanks :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> fdoving: not sure, if it is cmake or scons, but I think it is cmake
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about kde4 ? :)
[03:08] <fdoving> i'll get strigi, it's small and nice.
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho you have been right not to change the session management in konq....
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: the 'konqueror fail to load kds' happens very often
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: all preloaded sessions are failing the settings, resulting incompletes menus
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: we really need to get that fixed once an for all... I'm tired of workarrounding this issue everytime :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde4 is cmake based ? hehe
[03:11] <fdoving> it is.
[03:11] <_Sime> Riddell: have you read the IRC backlog?
[03:11] <Riddell> _Sime: nope
[03:12] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, then. Long story short. The kde-guidance package needs a "Conflict: python2.4-iconvcodec" added.
[03:13] <Riddell> _Sime: is that's what has been causing the fail to load?
[03:13] <_Sime> Riddell: this solves bug 62223
[03:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62223
[03:13] <_Sime> Riddell: this is for that bug where all of the modules fail in k-s-s.
[03:14] <gnomefreak> should konq show an icon when a hd is mounted that is ext3?
[03:14] <Riddell> _Sime: do you know why it causes module to fail to load, and do you know why people have it installed?
[03:15] <_Sime> Riddell: iconvcodec is an old package no longer in the repo.
[03:16] <_Sime> Riddell: It contains a binary python module which gets read (for some reason) when Python starts up and runs the "site" module.
[03:16] <_Sime> Riddell: when python is embedded, the site module would fail thanks to iconvcodec.
[03:17] <_Sime> Riddell: I don't know why exactly iconvcodec would fail when embedded.
[03:17] <_Sime> Riddell: but since it isn't even in the repo anymore, I consider the solution found. => remove that package.
[03:17] <fdoving> it was in universe until dapper.
[03:18] <fdoving> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=iconvcodec&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=113517859227122&w=2
[03:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: could be a patch for our bug !
[03:26] <fdoving> nice :)
[03:26] <fdoving> compile & test then :)
[03:31] <Riddell> _Sime: sounds good, I'll upload the change
[03:36] <gnomefreak> fdoving: are you busy atm?
[03:36] <fdoving> Riddell: there is also bug 67527 67530 67537 if a change is possible before release. (not very very important, but first impression can be improved)
[03:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67527 in example-content "[edgy]  spelling mistake in kubuntu-leaflet.png" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67527
[03:37] <fdoving> gnomefreak: not very much. no.
[03:38] <gnomefreak> fdoving: care to help someone with konq, krusader, bleh kde apps that are not viewing his filesystem ( /etc/  /boot/ and the rest)
[03:38] <fdoving> gnomefreak: sure. where? 
[03:38] <gnomefreak> nautilus shows them if he chooses show hidden
[03:38] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu+1
[03:38] <Riddell> mhb: hicolour is the fallback icon theme recognised by all freedesktop.org desktops, application icons go in there so they can be found by gnome and others
[03:39] <Riddell> mhb: send me a patch to ktip if you want and I'll commit it in KDE's SVN
[03:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: please do tidy up KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems if you havn't already
[03:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: already done
[03:40] <mhb> Riddell: what is the fastest way to rebuild kdelibs? dpkg-buildpackage every time?
[03:42] <Riddell> mhb: debuild (== dpkg-buildpackage with a few extra checks)  and debuild -nc after the first time which doesn't run make clean
[03:45] <fdoving> mhb: i can only second your suggestion to include 'kdict' on the cd, i started it yesterday when talking to you about it, and i still have it running, I use it too :)
[04:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: kubuntu/desktopguide/ ?
[04:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: and how would I export it? (I've never had to use svn before)
[04:03] <ryanakca> nevermind the last question :)
[04:04] <mhb> Riddell: the systemsettings bug is a tough one
[04:04] <Riddell> certainly is
[04:06] <mhb> Riddell: the only key.value() if (key.data() == "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain") it prints is "desktop_kdelibs" ... I can't find that line anywhere
[04:09] <Riddell> mhb: I'm not sure what you're doing
[04:11] <mhb> Riddell: sorry ... if (QString(key.data()) == "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain") { and then I print out key.data() an val.data() through qDebug()
[04:11] <Riddell> mhb: what program are you running to test it?
[04:13] <mhb> Riddell: none ... it's probably not the best way but I just recompiled the code with some qDebug() lines added and then watch what systemsettings say
[04:17] <Riddell> mhb: well systemsettings is special because it uses kbuildsycoca
[04:17] <Riddell> you could try running kbuildsycoca and see what happens
[04:21] <mhb> Riddell: so what program does open the .directory files?
[04:21] <mhb> Riddell: both strace and my primitive qDebug() lines indicate that it's not systemsettings itself
[04:21] <mhb> Riddell: is it kbuildsysoca?
[04:22] <Riddell> mhb: they're cached by kbuildsycoca and system settings just reads the cache
[04:26] <mhb> Riddell: thanks, strace confirms that ... but the code in kconfigbacked.cpp applies for kbuildsycoca too, right?
[04:26] <mhb> Riddell: or not?
[04:26] <Riddell> it /should/ do, but it may not
[04:27] <mhb> Riddell: it looks like it doesn't for some files
[04:28] <mhb> Riddell: which may be the trouble
[04:31] <mhb> Riddell: any idea why it shows so many "desktop_kdelibs" ? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/215260
[04:32] <Riddell> mhb: try adding the name of the .desktop file it's reading to the debug output
[04:32] <mhb> ok
[04:35] <Riddell> mhb: by the way it's faster just to run make && sudo make install in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/kdecore
[04:39] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[04:44] <fdoving> hmm.. what package introduces /.hidden ? 
[04:44] <fdoving> the .hidden file in /
[04:45] <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings
[04:46] <fdoving> so non-kde-ubuntu doesn't have it? 
[04:48] <fdoving> it's not very compatible with using firefox. in firefox, when you select what application you want to use to open a certain filetype, you'll have to browse to find the binary. With /usr hidden users get stuck and give up.
[04:50] <abattoir> Riddell: any idea when the next set of daily cds would be built?
[04:51] <Riddell> abattoir: tomorrow I'd guess
[04:51] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, thanks
[05:26] <mhb> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/215317
[05:28] <mhb> fdoving: my Firefox simply ignores the .hidden file and displays them all :o)
[05:28] <mhb> fdoving: can't tell why, though
[05:29] <imbrandon_> probab le becouse thats a feature of gnome and kde , ff uses pure gtk iirc
[05:29] <imbrandon_> it just LOOKS like a gnome dialog
[05:31] <mhb> Riddell: I should probably call it with "--no-incremental"
[05:32] <mhb> Riddell: when I do it enters the gettextDomain for the problematic files
[05:43] <fdoving> mhb: my firefox displays everything too. but on a clean edgy install the directories are hidden.
[05:44] <fdoving> don't know where firefox gets its show/hide hidden files settings from.
[05:48] <marseillai> fdoving: you are talking about directories in /
[05:48] <marseillai> ?
[05:48] <fdoving> mhb: just found out you can rightclick and select 'show hidden files' in the firefox file dialog.
[05:48] <fdoving> marseillai: yes.
[05:49] <marseillai> fdoving: takes a look at /.hidden and it's not firefox but every applications! :)
[05:50] <fdoving> marseillai: i know this. but there should be a option to 'show hidden files' easily. and there is. but it's just not very clear, nor easy to find (for me atleast).
[07:26] <mhb> Riddell: I can't do it by myself :o) but I really really hope you'll fix it somehow ... imagine what would reviewers say about Kubuntu when instead of "Keyboard & Mouse" there was "Users & Groups"
[07:27] <mhb> Riddell: and that's what'll happen to us even though we can't do anything as translators
[07:28] <Riddell> mhb: I /think/ I've got it
[07:28] <Riddell> it'll take a wee while to tidy it up and compile it then I'll need you to test
[07:29] <Riddell> mhb: actually, could you try it as it is with http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kconfigbackend.cpp
[07:29] <mhb> right away
[07:33] <mhb> some weird error
[07:33] <Riddell> what's that?
[07:34] <mhb> Riddell: a load of warnings and then make[4] : *** [libkdecore_la.all_cpp.lo]  Error 1
[07:35] <Riddell> mhb: during compile?
[07:35] <mhb> Riddell: yes
[07:35] <Riddell> mhb: try again with new http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kconfigbackend.cpp
[07:37] <nixternal> everything ok in the world of kubuntu this fine sunday?
[07:38] <Riddell> it will be if mhb says I've fixed this problem
[07:39] <mhb> Riddell: it continues compiling now
[07:40] <Riddell> a good sign
[07:40] <mhb> Riddell: is there already a Riddell fan club? If so I might consider to join later today
[07:40] <Riddell> wait until you've tested if this works yet
[07:47] <nixternal> oh lord, the ubuntu fan clab created Ubuntu thongs, I sure hope that I don't see Riddell thongs ;)
[07:47] <abattoir> lol
[07:47] <mhb> nixternal: great idea
[07:48] <nixternal> ;)
[07:48] <nixternal> i made some killer chili last night, literally
[07:49] <Tm_T> Who died?
[07:49] <abattoir> Scott Tenorman ;)
[07:50] <nixternal> i did
[07:50] <marsport> hi!
[07:50] <Riddell> mhb: how's it going?
[07:51] <marsport> Riddell: i'm trying to upgrade my dapper to edgy and it wants remove kubuntu-desktop don't you want to see what says dist-upgrade?
[07:51] <Riddell> hi marsport 
[07:51] <Riddell> marsport: it's a known problem, nothing we can do about it alas
[07:51] <mhb> Riddell: finishing install any minute now
[07:51] <nixternal> i go ahead and remove it, and once the install is complete, i just reinstall it..only way to make it happy right now
[07:51] <nixternal> i did the same with the "apt-get autoremove"
[07:52] <marsport> Riddell: oki so i wait to upgrade or i do it? then i install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:52] <abattoir> nixternal: F1 by any chance? or IRL ?
[07:52] <nixternal> nascar ;)
[07:52] <nixternal> i watched f1 earlier
[07:53] <nixternal> irl is done for the season
[07:53] <abattoir> heh, just had a discussion about that now :P, enjoy the race
[07:53] <abattoir> oh
[07:53] <marsport> Riddell: should i upgrade or should i wait for a fix?
[07:54] <mhb> :O((
[07:55] <mhb> Riddell: not yet
[07:55] <Riddell> mhb: upgrade
[07:55] <Riddell> mhb: what happened?
[07:55] <mhb> Riddell: nothing ... make install went ok, rebuilt --no-incremental ksycoca and then run systemsettings ... no effect
[07:56] <Riddell> mhb: what's your problem string again?
[07:56] <Riddell> an example you know is wrong but should work
[07:57] <Riddell> Name=Keyboard & Mouse] 
[07:57] <Riddell> Name[cs] =Uivatel a skupiny
[07:57] <Riddell> ?
[07:57] <mhb> yes
[07:57] <mhb> that's the most painful one
[07:58] <Riddell> what does this give you?
[07:58] <Riddell> strings  /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo | grep Keyboard
[07:59] <mhb> (in the .mo file is Name=Klvesnice & my)
[07:59] <mhb> Name=Keyboard & Mouse
[08:00] <mhb> (the translated string in the .mo file is Name=Klvesnice & my)
[08:00] <Riddell> if you do..
[08:00] <Riddell> touch /usr/share/locale-langpack/cs/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo
[08:00] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca 2>&1 | less
[08:00] <Riddell> what does it give as debug output for desktop_kde-systemsettings?
[08:01] <mhb> should I only touch it?
[08:02] <Riddell> sorry
[08:02] <Riddell> touch /usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-keyboardmouse.directory
[08:02] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca 2>&1 | less
[08:04] <mhb> I'll pastebin it, one moment
[08:05] <mhb> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/215555 should be it
[08:07] <Riddell> mhb: try adding this to the kdecore directory
[08:07] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/klocale.cpp
[08:07] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/klocale.h
[08:08] <marseillai> Riddell: i've not understood. This bug can not be solve so i can upgrade now? or it'll be solve before release and i should wait?
[08:09] <Riddell> marseillai: it won't be resolved, you should do dist-upgrade then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <marseillai> oki thanks riddell
[08:26] <Riddell> mhb: progress?
[08:28] <mhb> Riddell: make installing
[08:31] <mhb> sorry .o) can't speed it up
[08:40] <mhb> Riddell: rebuilding sycoca
[08:41] <mhb> Y A Y!
[08:41] <Riddell> :)
[08:42] <mhb> Riddell: Keyboard& Mouse translated correctly
[08:43] <mhb> Riddell: User Management and Monitor & Display keep untranslated but that's nothing important
[08:43] <mhb> Riddell: other stuff is OK
[08:45] <Riddell> why are they untranslated?
[08:45] <mhb> Riddell: not sure ... I'll check
[08:46] <mhb> Riddell: maybe they aren't translated in the .mo file, I dunno
[08:48] <Riddell> hmm, no desktop_guidance in the langpacks
[08:49] <mhb> desktop-guidancce present, though
[08:49] <mhb> don't tell me it's a typo :o))
[08:50] <Riddell> hmmm
[08:50] <mhb> translated in desktop-guidance
[08:50] <Riddell> yes, wonder how that happened
[08:50] <Riddell> oh well, not much can be done about it now
[08:50] <mhb> Riddell: can't we fix this in the next langpack release?
[08:51] <Riddell> it needs fixed in the kde-guidance package
[08:52] <mhb> Riddell: too late for that?
[08:52] <Riddell> dunno, I might upload and see if it's accepted
[08:52] <Riddell> mhb: actually could you report a bug for that
[08:53] <mhb> Riddell: sure
[08:53] <mhb> Riddell: remember the amarok bug from yesterday?
[08:53] <Riddell> which?
[08:53] <mhb> Riddell: it gets more complicated than I originally thought
[08:54] <mhb> Riddell: bug 67457
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67457
[08:55] <mhb> Riddell: actually it's most probably a duplicate of the bug 46982 as Caroline Ford suggested
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Rosetta does not accept correct KDE plural forms when there are more than 2" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46982
[08:55] <mhb> Riddell: which means Rosetta refuses to accept a .po definition of the plural form
[08:56] <mhb> Riddell: in just this single package, which is so strange
[09:03] <mhb> Riddell: bug 67614
[09:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67614 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance desktop .mo file can not be loaded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67614
[09:42] <orkid__> the daily d-i hd-media image for i386 doesn't find the RC i386 desktop iso in its media scan. How come?
[09:44] <Riddell> hd-media?
[09:44] <orkid__> debian installer image for hd-media (you get an iso, boot the image, scand the HD, and it finds the iso and installs from there)
[09:47] <Riddell> never heard of it
[09:47] <Riddell> not sure why it would be looking for the desktop iso though
[09:49] <orkid__> i've done debian net installs this way, maybe i need a different boot image.
[09:58] <mhb> Riddell: I'm going to sleep now ... thanks for everything
[09:59] <Riddell> mhb: thanks for testing
[09:59] <mhb> Riddell: that was really nothing
[10:03] <mhb> Riddell: poke me anytime you need anything done that I am able to do
[10:03] <Riddell> well solid ISO testing from tomorrow until thursday
[10:05] <mhb> Riddell: OK, will do at least until I hit the bandwidth limit.
[10:06] <Riddell> rsync is your friend
[10:07] <mhb> Riddell: sure
[10:08] <mhb> good night all and thank you for the great work!
[10:19] <Lure> Riddell: my first discussion proposal: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/feisty-networking-kubuntu
[10:23] <Riddell> cool
[10:24] <mhb> Lure: you might know it ... has some tray network monitor a la knemo been discussed earlier?
[10:27] <Lure> mhb: yes, knemo was, but was rejected at that tim e(dapper) due to high load - this is now fixed though
[10:28] <Lure> mhb: but there is duplication with knetworkmanager for wireless
[10:28] <mhb> Lure: yes, I agree
[10:29] <mhb> Lure: there are other places where it could be modified to fit more into Kubuntu
[10:29] <Riddell> ok, kdelibs, guidance and katapult all uploaded
[10:29] <Riddell> and with those in I think I'm all happy with Edgy
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: yep, lot's of pressure for you in last days... - but Edgy with not be edgy at all (at least for Kubuntu)
[10:32] <mhb> Lure: if you could add this application/feature to the spec and discuss it there I'd be glad
[10:32] <Lure> mhb: I will probably start a Wiki page so that we can capture feedback from all interested parties easier
[10:33] <mhb> Lure: great idea
[10:33] <Riddell> Lure: are you able to rename the spec to kubuntu-feisty-networking?  nice to have it namespaced like that
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: will try
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: done: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-feisty-networking
[10:39] <fdoving> Riddell: what do you use to edit the kdebase patches? 'cdbs-edit-patch patchname' always wants to add a .patch extension.
[10:40] <fdoving> dpatch-edit-patch wants .dpatch extension.
[10:47] <mhb> Has Kubuntu DVD improving been discussed before?
[10:50] <Lure> fdoving: I use cdbs, but I rename to .diff (which is mostly used in kde)
[10:51] <Lure> mhb: in what direction?
[10:51] <fdoving> Lure: so, when you need to edit an existing patch, you rename to '.patch' again, and use cdbs-edit-patch patchname ? 
[10:51] <Lure> fdoving: yes 
[10:51] <fdoving> i'll make a cdbs-edit-diff copy of cdbs-edit-patch and s/patch/diff/g in it.
[10:52] <Lure> fdoving: good idea - maybe we should add it to cdbs - I will do my script
[10:52] <Lure> for now
[10:56] <fdoving> Lure: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/cdbs-edit-diff if you want it.
[10:56] <Lure> fdoving: thanks
[10:59] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: You around by chance ?
[11:01] <mhb> Lure: well, now that I think of it, it'd be probably quite hard ... well making DVDs more than just Desktop CD + extra packages ... at least modifying the installer so that you can choose some extra packages from the DVD like localisation, developer tools&header files and so on
[11:02] <jjesse> hello :)
[11:05] <Lure> mhb: right, partiuclarly with live cd
[11:07] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: When you see this, will you try an update with the src repos of SoS and see if the error(s) are fixed for you now please
[11:07] <mhb> Lure: it would still be worth it, though ... sooner or later we'll experience the final shift from cds->dvds 
[11:13] <ryanakca> umm... is this normal? "/etc/inittab: No such file or directory"      I have a feeling that's why my VT's don't show up/why I can't access them or change back and forth between X sessions, or between X sessions and VT...
[11:15] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: Can you change between VT's while outside of X ?
[11:15] <ryanakca> Hawkwind: I can't even get out of X...
[11:15] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: I've had this problem in the past and the fix was that in the xorg.conf file the wrong keyboard layout was listed. Instead of en_US it had en_GB or something similar
[11:15] <ryanakca> ctrl-alt-backspace simply returns me to kdm...
[11:16] <ryanakca> kk
[11:16] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: You don't have an /etc/inittab at all ?
[11:16] <ryanakca> and where's my inittab file?
[11:16] <Lure> mhb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking - please contribute additonal ideas
[11:16] <ryanakca> nope :(
[11:16] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/180
[11:17] <fdoving> ryanakca: upstart doesn't need inittab. :)
[11:17] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: That's mine, and you're right, it definitely belongs in /etc
[11:17] <Hawkwind> Ohhhhhh
[11:17] <ryanakca> no?
[11:17] <ryanakca> ah :)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: yeah im here now
[11:18] <Hawkwind> fdoving: What does it use instead ?  Seeings how inittab is where you change your runlevel in most distros
[11:18] <fdoving> ryanakca: my clean install of edgy does not have /etc/inittab
[11:18] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Try an update for me please and see if the src stuff is fixed
[11:18] <fdoving> Hawkwind: runlevels are so 70s :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ok let me re enable it
[11:18] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Hah.  I hate a GUI login, I have to boot to CLI or I go insane :)
[11:18] <fdoving> Hawkwind: 'cd /etc/even.d;ls' play :)
[11:19] <fdoving> it's in /etc/even.d/rc-default more precisely.
[11:19] <fdoving> it honours /etc/inittab if it's there.. but it doesn't fail if it's not.
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ok its running ill elt you know
[11:20] <fdoving> Hawkwind: also, you should not change runlevel to disable graphical login. you should remove the kdm links from the init.d dirs. 'update-rc.d -f kdm remove' to get it back, 'update-rc.d kdm defaults'
[11:21] <fdoving> s/init.d/rc?.d/
[11:21] <Hawkwind> fdoving: I actually learned that the other day when you told bLaZeD about it as I didn't know any differently coming from Mandriva :)
[11:22] <marseillai> Riddell: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't work problem with X dependance. And acpi and acpid configuration failed
[11:23] <fdoving> marseillai: i have a experimental upgrade script you can try. i'm currently testing in chroots.
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: its good ty
[11:24] <fdoving> you'll have to wait till this test i'm currently doing is finished. don't want to break your kubuntu.
[11:24] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Awesome.  Many thanks for testing.  I've been fighting it for over an hour
[11:24] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Come to find out, my script was missing a simple . on one line :(
[11:24] <gnomefreak> omg
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: use a texteditor with a debugger?
[11:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Hah yeah.  Frustrating once you find out it was something so darn simple
[11:25] <ryanakca> Hawkwind: where's the keyboard map for console set again? /etc/?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> not that they work all the great at times but maybe help some for little things
[11:26] <fdoving> marseillai: what is the error you get? can you pastebin it? 
[11:26] <fdoving> ryanakca: 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data' iirc.
[11:26] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: Should be in your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ha i fixed minefield :)
[11:26] <ryanakca> Hawkwind: yes, but doesn't it need to be the same for console and xorg? or were you talking about something else?
[11:26] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: Though that might not be the problem you're having.  I always had this problem in Mandriva
[11:27] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: What are you running minefield on ?
[11:27] <fdoving> ryanakca: 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup' actually.
[11:27] <gnomefreak> edgy ;)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: when i go unstable i make the best of it
[11:28] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Hah, I'd say so
[11:28] <Hawkwind> I'm running minefield on my Windows laptop.  It runs quite well
[11:31] <ryanakca> fdoving: is a bunch of output simmilar to "WARNING: Undefined kernel key code for 236" normal?
[11:32] <fdoving> ryanakca: i haven't experienced that, no.
[11:40] <fdoving> marseillai: still having issues upgrading? 
[11:40] <marseillai> fdoving: i've now my X back
[11:40] <marseillai> and finish upgrading
[11:40] <fdoving> ok :)
[11:40] <marseillai> but kubuntu-desktop, acpi and acpid still don't want to configure fdoving 
[11:41] <fdoving> marseillai: do you have error messages? can you pastebin them? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ? 
[11:43] <Lure> another spec for uds-mtv: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-feisty-laptop
[11:44] <marsport> fdoving: http://pastebin.ca/215922
[11:46] <marsport> Riddell: upgrading causes a problem with acpid so i can't configure kubuntu-desktop
[11:47] <Riddell> apt-get -f install
[11:47] <Riddell> ?
[11:47] <fdoving> marsport: can you try to run '/var/lib/dpkg/info/acpid.postinst' what does it say? 
[11:48] <marsport> Riddell: nothing
[11:48] <fdoving> marsport: nevermind, don't need to do that. it's the init script that fails. somehow.
[11:49] <marsport> fdoving: i gave you in pv the result of /var/lib/dpkg/info/acpid.postinst
[11:50] <fdoving> marsport: 'apt-get --purge remove acpid;apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' 
[11:51] <marsport> works fine fdoving
[11:51] <marsport> fdoving: thanks a lot
[11:51] <fdoving> no problem :)
[11:52] <marsport> fdoving: to be able to finish my upgrade i've have to install xorg, and every python packages
[11:52] <fdoving> marsport: xserver-xorg ? 
[11:52] <fdoving> i'm aware of the python packages. 
[11:52] <fdoving> and upgrading from dapper to edgy is not a trival task.
[11:53] <fdoving> I'm working on a script to do it (hopefully) less painfull.
[11:53] <marsport> fdoving: xserver-xorg and xorg
[11:53] <fdoving> ok, thanks.
[11:54] <marsport> fdoving: it seems that the problem was with the names of driver wich changes
[11:54] <fdoving> I have focused on getting kubuntu-desktop installing cleanly so far.
[11:54] <marsport> so now! time to sleep! have 5 hours to sleep
[11:54] <fdoving> yeah.. me too.. soon. :)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> does anyone know since kdevelop3-data was pulled from repos that kdevelop-data will work with kdevelop3?