Xal2Wow, squashfs must really do a great job at compressing everything.12:11
Hydraltmon, they all work with DMRAID, It's already known working, just support needs to be added to the INSTALLER ;)12:11
Hydrae.g. so we don't have to do all this nonsense that takes ages12:12
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yacoobis kubuntu going to be released together with ubuntu?12:12
yacoobedgy, I mean?12:12
ltmonHydra: ah ok12:12
ltmonHydra: it's just simple softwair raid then, or does it actually link up to the nvidia bios support in any way?12:13
david_edmundsonyacoob: yeah, that's happened so far with each release12:13
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Hydrait doesn't use the bios afaik12:13
yacoobdavid_edmundson, good ;> So, next week we should have kubuntu edgy?12:13
david_edmundsonif all's on time12:13
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david_edmundsonnvidia driver appears to have broke recently though12:14
yacoobunless sky falls on our heads, yes ;>12:14
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test_i am trying to save the grub menu.lst but i dont have write access. how do i save it as root?12:14
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david_edmundsontest_: save it as a different name where you do have access then move it as root12:14
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snottlebockethey guys12:16
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Hydradavid_edmundson, should i really be chatting to the ubuntu guys about fakeraid support btw?12:16
david_edmundsonpossibly, it's a bit busier12:17
david_edmundsonand it's desktop independant12:17
ltmonHydra: you should probably file a feature request for the next release... doubtful any such major change will go into edgy12:17
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Hydraltmon, 1 sec...12:17
test_david_edmundson: how do i login as root and move it?12:17
Hydrasomeone filed one in JANUARY!12:17
ltmonHydra: it's not on the discussion list for the next distro meeting (https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv/) although I'm not sure how to get it there12:19
test_how do i move a file?12:19
shadowhywindhow can i extract a 7z (7zip) file?12:19
Hydralet me check that out12:19
brainlesstest_: mv <file> <destination>12:19
brainless(in a shell, that is)12:19
david_edmundsonwith the word sudo in front12:19
david_edmundsonbrainless: can you take over, I'm off to bed.12:19
david_edmundsonnight all!12:20
brainlesssorry, I just popped in ;) sure12:20
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Hydrai'd go to that meeting if i lived in the states12:20
brainlessjust give me a moment to read the original question...12:20
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Hydrathey need poking in the right direction12:20
ltmontest_: obligitary caution: modifying the grub menu.lst may leave your installation a bit broken (but recoverable usually).... be careful ;)12:21
Hydrai wonder how many people have tried ubuntu or kubunutu and just given up because it wouldn't detect their hard drives correctly..12:21
test_how do i kill job 112:22
Hydrabtw, it's the same situation with windows vista and nforce3 and nforce4, but in that case it's nvidia that have to write drivers rather than some random person required to update the installer in this case12:22
ltmontest_: that sounds dangerous12:22
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brainlessHydra: I'm fighting the desktop-CD-installer atm and if I hadn't used other distros before I'd already given up...12:22
ltmontest_: but.... "sudo kill 1"12:22
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test_ltmon: its still in jobs12:22
TarantulafudgeIs there a sensor monitor for kde? I can't find ksensors in the repository12:23
test_sudo isnt necessary im logged in as root12:23
ltmontest_: try "kill -9 1"12:23
david_edmundsonTarantulafudge: look into lmsensores12:23
ltmontest_: i'll know it works if you go offline ;)12:23
Hydrawell my download of edgy eft 6.10 rc5 is 80% now12:23
Tarantulafudgedavid_edmundson: I know about lm_sensors but ksensors was supposed to be a gui for that12:23
Hydraso I'm gonna try it on my nforce3 box shortly12:23
david_edmundsonit's a gui frontend12:23
david_edmundsonit still requires all of lm_sensors working, it just takes the results and makes a pretty graph out of it12:24
Hydraall i wanna do is do some cross-compiling to get openwrt installed on my ar7 based router...12:24
melhisedekwhen is Edgy stated for release?12:24
OODmelhisedek: oct 2612:24
Hydrai'm sure i should just go out and buy a new router instead of going to all this trouble...12:24
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule12:25
Hydrawait no!  that's not the right attitutde12:25
TheGateKeepermelhisedek: ^^^^12:25
melhisedekthx folks12:25
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TheGateKeepernp :-)12:25
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Hydrastill, time is money and if i was working for 20 and hour sorting out new firmware on my existing router would cost me about 20012:25
Hydraand i know i can get a nice router for that much ;)12:25
dannycan anyone help me with an Xorg problem?12:26
dannyi've just upgraded to edgy, but I think there is a version mismatch with the display driver12:26
ltmondanny: which driver?12:26
danny"vga" and "dummy" also don't work12:26
david_edmundsondanny what do the xorg logs say12:27
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david_edmundson(tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log12:27
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ltmondanny: not much experience with those myself :(12:27
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david_edmundson /may/ need root12:28
dannymodule ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)12:29
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dannyit says the display driver is compiled for 6.9912:29
dannyobviously edgy is 7.112:29
david_edmundsonthat's the problem then, the module ABI majoy doesn't match the server version! -obviosuly12:29
david_edmundsonand with that I really am off to bed.12:29
dannysure, but these drivers are from the edgy repo12:30
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RakzorHeh, Hello, anyone know how long it should take to install kubuntu on a 40Gb hdd?12:33
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marc_Rak...maybe 30 - 40 minutes.....not including the Updates after the install.12:34
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marc_opps..That's for Ubuntu....not sure about Kubuntu...12:35
RakzorIt won't be the same?12:36
marc_COuld be...I don;t know...is what I'm saying.12:36
jende_Rakzor: what are you trying to do?12:36
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RakzorTrying to install Kubuntu 6.01.6 on a 40Gb hard drive.12:37
jende_Rakzor: so whats the prob?12:37
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RakzorNo prob, just it's been a while and I don't know if it normally takes this long or if somethin went wrong.12:37
cellofellowRakzor: you sure you got that version number right?12:37
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RakzorNo, but it's 6. somethin.12:38
jende_cellofellow: wouldn't say so12:38
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jende_Rakzor: it sure can take quite a while depending whether you're out of the box connected to the internet, i.e.12:38
cellofellowRakzor: just say Dapper Drake or dapper, easier than 6.06.112:38
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RakzorAh, ok.12:39
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dannyok, i've fixed the problem by removing xserver-xorg-driver-trident and installing xserver-xorg-video-trident12:39
ltmondanny: looks like they changed the package names for edgy... a dirty trick :(12:40
jende_Rakzor: if you got connected to the net a lot of updates and upgrades will be installed and that'll take some time...so no worries12:40
RakzorOh ok12:40
RakzorThanks =)12:40
jende_Rakzor: so thats your first linux/Kubuntu Box?12:41
RakzorYeah, I've tried live cd's before, but this is the first time of installing anything.12:41
dannyltmon: sure is :)12:41
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dannyanyway, thanks and goodnight12:42
jende_Rakzor: everything should be fine...do you need anythng special such as the ability to play mp3's?12:42
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RakzorThat'd be nice, but I'm not sure how.12:42
RakzorAnd can Kubuntu play .wav?12:43
jende_Rakzor: I'll be around for at leats another hour...are you a registered user?12:43
jende_Rakzor: okay, so I'll check more often then to see if I can guide you to get the lil specials installed.12:44
jende_Rakzor: look thats all we can12:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:44
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:44
ltmonjende_: here's a url describing some of the issues... in short it's not very hard to get mp3s and wmv etc. etc .working properly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats12:44
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RakzorOo thanks12:44
jende_ltmon: I know all these howtos...but thanks anyway12:45
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jende_ltmon: what about a simple apt-get install libxine-extracodecs12:45
jende_ltmon: sure...having universe multiverse enabled12:45
ltmonjende_: should be fine for most thinks12:45
ltmonjende_: most *things12:46
jende_ltmon: I'm not kinda that new to linux...;-) thats why offered my hekp to Rakzor12:46
jende_ltmon: I'm not kinda that new to linux...;-) thats why offered my help to Rakzor12:46
ltmonjende_: i htink i got cofused between the two of you :)12:46
ltmonjende_: s'ok12:47
brainlessanyways, I'm off for tonight ... bye12:47
jende_ltmon: *ggg* you can get easily confused on IRC's12:47
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ltmonjende_: forgot who asked the question in the first place :}12:47
jende_ltmon: are you on edgy?12:47
ltmonjende_: yep12:47
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ltmonjende_: since yesterday12:47
jende_ltmon: isn't it a beauty...hmmm...12:48
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jende_ltmon: I'm on edgy now since almost 2wks and its just...yummie12:48
ltmonjende_: yeah... suspend and resume is working much quicker, and I could remove my sound hacks and still have a working volume control :)12:48
RakzorUm, is it bad if Kubuntu failed to make a swap space, or can I just use ram?12:48
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jende_ltmon: and it boots much quicker12:48
ltmonjende_: i've only booted it once :)12:49
ltmonjende_: suspend is rock solid for me now... i don't need to power off12:49
jende_Rakzor: well Kubuntu should have a swap partition, which should be twice as big as your RAM is12:49
RakzorJende: What if it failes, can I still install?12:50
jende_ltmon: don't know where you live but power here is damn expensive, so I power off all machines at nightt12:50
ltmonjende_: mine just stays on battery (recharge at work).... but the amount of power it draws if fairly small anyway.  I live in Melbourne, AU.... i think power is cheap compared to most of the rest of the world12:51
jende_Rakzor: puuuuh...good question...as yet I hadn't had to try to install without a swap. How come that you don'####t have a swap partition?12:51
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jende_ltmon: i Used to live in canowindra, 2804 NSW12:51
Rakzorjende_: Well it says it was making one but then it failed.12:52
jende_Rakzor: it failed? really? remember the exact output?12:52
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Rakzorjende_: No, it just said it failed to make a swap, and on the install window it says "partition #5 of /dev/hda as swap"12:53
ltmonRakzor: I'm pretty sure it will still boot, but crash hard if you fill your RAM...12:53
RakzorAnd "partition #1 of /dev/hda as ext3"12:53
jende_Rakzor: weird, but it should work12:54
Rakzorjende_: thanks.12:54
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jende_ltmon: power is in aussie much cheaper than it is here in Germany12:55
jende_ltmon: wanna go back ...to Aussie I loved it12:55
ltmonjende_: ah ok... so's petrol... i guess we don't know our luck most of the time :)12:55
ltmonjende_: although water here is getting a bit scarse, so maybe not12:55
jende_ltmon: damn petrol in Aussie was 4times cheaper/ltr12:56
jende_ltmon: we were ath time being there on water restrictions...tough but okay12:56
ltmonjende_: petrol is ~ $1:30 per litre now... approx 1 euro12:56
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jende_ltmon: 100Euros = 160 AUS$12:57
ltmonjende_: exchange rate sucks here also :)12:58
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jende_ltmon: we are going to be on 1.5Euros12:58
jende_unleaded 9512:58
ltmonjende_: what about diesel? EU has lots of better diesel cars than we get...12:58
jende_unleaded 97 is almost on 1,8Euros12:58
jende_ltmon: diesel is about 1.42/ltr12:59
ltmonjende_: what hardware are you running edgy on12:59
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jende_ltmon: a HP Kayak PIII-550 with 512megs and a AMD Sempron300001:00
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ltmonjende_: that a laptop or desktop?01:01
jende_ltmon: with 512 megs <-thats my Notebook,01:01
jende_the sempron is my NB01:01
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jende_ltmon: another is on Debian etch, also a HP Kayak01:02
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jende_ltmon: what are you doi ng for a living in Mel?01:02
amayeraanybody here using edgy eft?01:02
jende_amayera: howdy01:02
amayeracan anybody try to register a jabber account with kopete?01:03
jende_amayera: sure...01:03
amayerahere it doesn't work.01:03
ltmonjende_: software engineer with a web dev company01:03
jende_amayera: nope, I don't like jabber01:03
ltmonamayera: i've got a google talk account registered01:03
amayeraoh, I got the problem.01:03
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ltmonjende_: what about yourself01:03
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jende_ltmon: nice...send me carton melbourne bitter01:03
amayerathe jabber id is not only the thing in front of the @ but also the thing thereafter :D01:03
ltmonjende_: :P you come from the country with the best beer in the world and you want *that*01:04
jende_jende_: selfemployed ... I do the administration of some Networks, basically Linux(Debian) Servers01:04
jende_ltmon: I do miss it...especially a cooooooooool schooner of tooheys, off the tab01:05
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ltmonjende_: damn... i guess you did live in NSW (worst... beer... ever)01:05
jende_ltmon: just waiting for a nice offer in Aussie and I'll be gone01:06
ltmonjende_: cascade lager and coopers are the best you can get in AU01:06
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ltmonjende_: it's a good job market here in Melbourne and also in Perth right now.... plenty on offer but most places will require a face to face interview01:06
cryptonicIm having issues with the nvidia driver, how do i revert back to the default kubuntu one?01:06
jende_ltmon: well, cascade is indeed...yumm,yumm, yummie...but yep you were right hard to get in villages like canowindra01:06
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jende_ltmon: I wouldn't mind jumping on a plane for a lil holiday, though...but I have to finish first that one one project I'm working on01:07
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jende_ltmon: canowindra is close o Dubbo or Orange01:08
jende_ltmon: canowindra is close to Dubbo or Orange01:08
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rockzdo anyone use mandvd ?01:08
jende_ltmon: and they would take immigrants?01:08
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ltmonjende_: yes and no... they have to be sure you'll be able to stay for a reasonable period (and not be kicked out by the Government)... so you need a working visa at very least01:10
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jende_ltmon: but the working visa you'll get once the company would kinda like apply for it, too...not really as a sponsor, but sort of. Is vanstone still the head of the DIMIA?01:11
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ltmonjende_: yep01:12
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jende_ltmon: do you like her?01:12
ltmonjende_: bit of a chicken and egg problem with the visa i think01:12
ltmonjende_: not much of a fan of the current government full stop01:12
jende_ltmon: I know that just to good...it took us ages to get my working visa for 2yrs01:12
jende_ltmon: lots of paperwork and stuff01:13
Un4givn1wine for kde, where 2 find?01:13
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ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.01:13
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jende_ltmon: it was funny though cause the probs haven't been caused by me, it was mor the fact that my employer did farming01:15
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ltmonjende_: i thought that farming was an easy way to get in the country... because we don't have enough farm workers here01:15
ltmonjende_: maybe i'm wrong01:16
jende_ltmon: no, basically you're right, but they couldn't understand that even farmers might need someone who knows IT, esp Linux01:16
ltmonjende_: oh right :) what did the farmer need from an IT person?01:17
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jende_ltmon: well it was like a huge farm for that area and they did olives, crops,wine and sheep...and especially for the winery if you're like that big as they were/re you'll need IT-geeks01:18
jende_ltmon: well it was like a huge farm for that area and they did olives, crops,wine and sheep...and especially for the winery if you're like that big as they were/are you'll need IT-geeks01:18
romeo_i want to install flash 9 but i dont know how to install tarballs01:19
ltmonjende_: oh right01:19
swillyhas anyone else had trouble getting amarok to play .wav files?01:19
jende_ltmon: at the end of the day I did farmwork and my IT-stuff01:19
Xal2I'm getting this error with the following command: make kpkg-clean01:19
jende_romeo_: help?what for?01:19
Xal2make: *** No rule to make target `kpkg-clean'.  Stop.01:19
romeo_instlaing flash player 901:20
ltmonromeo_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27999001:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about flahplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:20
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:20
ltmonjende_: he was looking for flash 9.... not in the RestrictedFormats page yet01:20
jmichaelx if anyone in here has been able to get yahoo videos to work in kubuntu edgy w/flash9 beta, let me know how you did it. i can't seem to make it work...01:20
jende_ltmon: errr...you're right01:20
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)01:21
romeo_i don t have multiplayer issues i don t know how to install tar gzs01:21
otaku-sanromeo_: I'll try to walk you thru it01:21
ltmonromeo_: i think the link from ubotu will be a normal deb package, or the manual method is in the link i gave you01:21
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otaku-sanromeo_: your going to have compile it01:22
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romeo_alright give me a second ok i m going to go look at the link i was given01:23
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ltmonotaku-san: it's a binary... there's no compilation for flash 801:23
ltmonotaku-san: it's a binary... there's no compilation for flash *901:23
intelikey"romeo romeo, who for art thou romeo?"   --bill snakesphere01:24
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campbch- The Demented Cartoon Movie01:24
jende_ltmon: all romeo has to do, once he added the 2 lines given at the ubotu site to the sources.list, is a apt-get update01:25
ltmonjende_: i didn't realise a repository existed :) but he definately doesn't have to compile (I wish I *could* compile... open soure flash!)01:25
jende_ltmon: it's quite a comforable way to get the 9ish beta01:26
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campbchif i were to write a program in c using kdevelop, how would i run it after compiling? is there a specific command, or would something like /src/debug/testing work?01:26
Ash-FoxWhen I try to start X from a script, I get a lovely message saying, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", but if I type the command out manually in the same shell, it works. Anybody know what the problem and how to get around it?01:26
jende_intelikey: yo howdy01:26
ltmonjende_: I'm sure it is... i just copied the *.so library to the right place which required a little more reading01:26
intelikeysup homie ?01:27
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campbchthats the other question, where do the two flash plugin files go in konqueror?01:27
jende_ltmon: and let me guess...it worked as it should01:27
jende_intelikey: word?sup homie? huh?01:28
campbchkpartplugins isn't the right one01:28
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campbch... anyone?01:29
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intelikeyhome boy.  i'm live'n large.    grubbin' on a t-bone, sippin' on ice tea; and chillin' jende_01:29
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:29
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jende_intelikey: lucky you, ey01:29
ltmonjende_: worked fine01:29
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intelikeyjende_ perhaps i should refrain from the local vernacular ?01:30
domcampbch,  if you go into the plugins config for konqueror, you'll see where it's searching to find plugins01:30
amayerais there no sun-java5-bin in edgy?01:30
dom$HOME/.mozilla/plugins is in there01:30
amayerahow can I get java in edgy?01:30
intelikey!info java edgy01:31
ubotuPackage java does not exist in edgy01:31
maryendom, you trying to get flash 9?01:31
ubotusun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB01:31
jende_intelikey: yeah do that01:31
dommaryen,  no, just pointing out to campbch where konq looks for plugins01:31
amayeradamn. does that mean I have to get it from sun?01:31
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maryenit probably looks at ~/.mozilla/plugins01:32
intelikey!info sun-java5-bin edgy01:32
ubotusun-java5-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 21811 kB, installed size 65084 kB01:32
magicmikeYo jende. What up?01:32
maryenamareya activate all your repos and then try installing it01:32
intelikeyamayera that ^  ?01:32
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:32
campbchkpartplugins is not in the standard list of plugin directories :(01:32
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jende_magicmike: my buddy...how are ya?01:32
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amayeradeb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse <-- this line should be enough right?01:33
maryenthat first link ubotu gave you will help you out01:33
intelikeyamayera no01:33
maryenadd multiverse to every line that has universe01:33
intelikeythat's backports01:33
jende_amayera: that refers to the mutiverse bpo's whic doesn't help you at all01:33
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amayeraoh, ok. that explains some issues I had the last days. thanks.01:34
maryenbtw, ive been curious01:34
romeo_hmm installes but doesn t work01:34
jende_maryen: curious?bout what?now I'm curious...*ggg*01:34
intelikeydeb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse  <--- got milk ?01:34
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maryensince dapper is lts, does that mean stuff from edgy and subsequent releases will be worked into dapper01:35
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romeo_should i restarst?01:35
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jende_magicmike: couls someone fix up your ne2000 prb?01:35
jende_magicmike: couls someone fix up your ne2000 prob?01:35
romeo_installed flash 9 but does not work on youtube should i restart?01:36
Hydraok, so I', running though the kubuntu installer and I've selected a PARTITION to install linux on01:36
amayerait works. great. thank you all.01:36
jende_intelikey: damn typo01:36
amayeraromeo_: here flash 9 works fine.01:36
intelikeyjende_ every body but me typos.  i just can't spell.01:36
romeo_maybe if i restart after install?01:37
Hydraand the next screen gives me two options "erase entire DISK: (details about the partition follow) - 21.5gb linux device mapper" and "Manually edit partition table"01:37
Hydrai'm like.01:37
otaku-sanromeo_: you don't need to restart01:37
Hydra"hold on, i've selected a partition and now it's asking me if i want to erase the DISK"01:37
amayeraromeo_: how have you installed it?01:37
jende_romeo_: you shouldn't have to restart/reboot your system if stuff got installed properly01:37
romeo_can you give a link with something flash brsides youtube?01:37
magicmikeIt install several different kernels. I just had to choose the right one.01:37
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intelikeyHydra dapper drake ?01:38
romeo_i installes with adept01:38
jende_magicmike: errrr...so you had more than just one kernel installed01:38
Hydraedgy eft latest rc01:38
intelikeyummm havent see that installer yet.   but the ducky one is screwy that way.  it doesn't do anythign until it gets the the next step "confirming the partition and formating"01:39
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Hydraclicking "next" told me about how the partitions are going to be created01:39
Hydraclicking "next" caused the monitor to blank and now the system is frozen01:40
maryenhmm, my comp crashed01:40
Hydraoh wait no it's not01:40
[GuS] Aurevoir!01:40
maryenand now no sound?01:40
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intelikeylive cd's are slow.  give it time.01:40
jende_magicmike: now the lot makes sense and shows me, that I forgot to ask you that question, which shows me that I should relearn to think as a newbie as well, if I help01:41
otaku-sanintelikey: not to mention if you push it to far...it's prone to freeze...at least for me01:41
magicmikeNow., I'm almost ready for take on some new adventures but I'll maybe  wait until tomorrow.01:41
romeo_hmm tried playing flash game firefox crashed01:41
otaku-sanromeo_: you seem to have a bad flash install01:41
magicmikeNaw, man you were great. Can't remember everything.01:41
romeo_should i try reinstall?01:42
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jende_magicmike: I should remember such important things, if I help a newbie...shoouldn't expect that you telle me like out of the box stuff like 'yo, I've got the following kernels installed'01:43
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amayeraromeo_: what was your way of installing?01:43
intelikeyQ; "what do linux users do?"01:43
otaku-sanromeo_: you first need to unistall...01:43
intelikeyA; "they install software."01:43
Silvania<- trying out Kubunto :)01:43
otaku-sanamayera: he did it thru apt01:43
jende_intelikey: they don't reboot01:43
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otaku-sanamayera: I mean adept01:43
intelikeyonly ubuntu-linux users reboot.01:44
amayerathere are already *.deb packages for it?01:44
otaku-sanwell not 901:44
jende_intelikey: but those with KUbuntu...*ggg*01:44
otaku-sanbut for 7 yes01:44
jende_intelikey: just don't have to01:44
maryenyay sound is fine01:44
amayeraah ok.01:45
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otaku-sanromeo_: go into adept and uninstall flash...then when your done tell me..and I'll give you a link to a howto on installing 901:45
intelikeysorry.   cat ^that | sed 's/ubuntu/\*ubuntu/'01:45
maryenstupid unstable nvidia beta driver01:45
notbbtdoes edgy update to RC or would i need to get the .isos again ?01:45
Hydrayeah, the installer is well broken..01:45
maryenit updates01:46
jende_notbbt: are you on edgy01:46
HydraI've got an existing hdd with 2 primary partitions, one extended partition split into 3 more logical partitions01:46
jende_notbbt: well, it sure updates, why shouldn't it01:46
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Hydrathe 2nd primary partition is blank, which is where i want to create an ext3 partition and a swap partition01:46
Hydrabut it doesn't give me the option to do so...01:47
intelikeyHydra manually ?      sudo cfdisk01:47
Hydraintelikey, ok so i had already started up fdisk to do it...01:48
intelikeyyou will have to delete or resize the second primary to make room for the swap01:48
Hydraquestion is, will it rescan the partition table and let me chose the ext3 and swap partitions after i've created them?01:48
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intelikeyprolly not.  probably have to back out and hit it again.01:49
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sorush20hi guys I keep getting this error01:49
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romeo_sorry i had a phone call01:49
Hydradmraid -ay might do it I guess01:49
romeo_ok i added source01:49
romeo_ain adept01:49
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Hydrai think i'll make some space in the extended partition01:49
bbtanything specific i need to do to upgrade??01:50
Hydrai need vista on this box soon too!01:50
romeo_i unistalled the old flash01:50
otaku-sanromeo_: you added a source to adept?01:50
intelikeyHydra again if that's on the salamander release i have not see that installer.    and probably never will.01:50
Hydralinux doesn't need a primary partition01:50
romeo_and reibstalled from new source01:50
jende_bbt: well you have to modify your sources01:50
intelikeylinux doesn't even need a partition01:50
Hydraback to windows for a bit...01:50
jende_bbt: and then do a sudo apt-update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:51
otaku-sanromeo_: ahhhh try flash out then01:51
intelikeyso no it doesn't need a primary partition either.01:51
Hydraat least it finds my mouse, keyboard and gfx card!01:51
bbtjende_: for edgy to rc, what would i need to modify ??01:51
Hydrai remember installing linux a few years ago, crikey nightmare back then...01:51
jende_bbt: oooops sorry didn't get the first bist01:51
jende_bbt: just a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:52
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romeo_i m gonna restart you never know01:53
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intelikeyi started playing with linux about 1 i think (most say 01, while others specify 2001)  i have never really had any trubble installing it.   ubuntu is as hard to install as the slackware 4 i started on.01:53
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otaku-sanromeo_: is it working...why do you need to reboot?01:53
romeo_it s not working01:53
bbtjende_: nothing to upgrade01:53
otaku-sanon those sources there is no key01:53
romeo_i tried youtube no go01:54
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jende_bbt: hmmm...01:54
romeo_it s installed it just doesn t work01:54
otaku-sanromeo_: hold on...let me try youtube with my flash 901:54
jende_bbt: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:55
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romeo_i ried a flash game and firefox crashed01:55
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jende_romeo_: what game?01:55
jende_romeo_: whats the url to it?01:56
romeo_hmm just a sec01:56
erik_really stupid Q... Trying to get automatix to install...01:56
ubotuAutomatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!01:57
bbtjende_: same result01:57
otaku-sanromeo_: it works for me man01:57
jende_bbt: lsb_release -a01:57
otaku-sanromeo_: here uninstall flash and let me show you how I installed it01:57
Dr_willisyoutube and the flash9 beta works for me01:58
Dr_willisusing  FP9_plugin_beta_101806.tar.gz01:58
jared555for an average user how much command line work is required with kubuntu? (trying to find a distro to set new people up with)01:58
romeo_wait it worked this time01:58
intelikeyDr_willis flash ?    blasphemer !01:58
bbtjende_: http://cut.and.paste.org/pastebin/index.php?id=10601:58
romeo_i heard somewhere that it woul crash firefox the first time01:58
Dr_willisintelikey,  now if only there was somthing worth watching on youtube01:58
Dr_willisIt hasent crashed the 5+ videos ive seen so far.01:59
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erik_if I wanted to sudo "text editor" to open a text file what text editor command would I use?01:59
jende_bbt: you are already on the rc01:59
otaku-sanromeo_: it didn't crash for me also01:59
domjared555,  technically none.  but a lot of howto/troubleshooting stuff online will give command-line answers01:59
Dr_willisand reallt the video quality is rather lacking i find. :)01:59
romeo_well i saw somewhere where it might01:59
otaku-sanDr_willis: hey whats up?01:59
campbchhow do you run a binary that you've compiled? like, the default kdevelop3 console program?02:00
romeo_i gonna try youtube now02:00
jende_bbt: if you weren't it would say 6.10 (developer.....)02:00
campbchit keeps saying unknown command02:00
campbchwhen i type the program name02:00
intelikeyjared555 if you admin their boxen 0% cli for the pointy clicky people.02:00
otaku-sanromeo_: go ahead and uninstall the flash on adept02:00
bbtjende_: well i have never run a dist-uprgade, does automatix do it??02:00
ubotuAutomatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!02:00
jende_bbt: coould be, I don't use/need automatix02:00
Dr_willisautomatix is the work of the devil! :)02:00
romeo_i got youtube working02:00
otaku-sanit was just a hiccup02:01
jared555intelikey, I am trying to set something up where other than for the initial learning experience and maybe very occasional work the users can do most work on the system02:01
romeo_thanks all02:01
otaku-sanDr_willis: no it's not!02:01
otaku-sanno prob02:01
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romeo_f... windows02:01
romeo_don t need you02:01
erik_if I wanted to sudo "text editor" to open a text file what text editor command would I use? I tried sudo kate file path but I get this long string of errors in termial02:01
ltmonjared555: it really depends on what their day-to-day tasks are.  for email, web, basic word processing and other software you should be fine02:01
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ltmonjared555: but some more specialised stuff might need investigating02:02
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wickedpuppywhere can i set the screen saver ? i can't find it.. thanks02:02
jared555I have seen a couple distros that are really good about easy to install/configure things but they had basically no packages easily available02:02
Dr_williserik_,  pick one of the many texteditors and install them and learn how to use one. :P02:02
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Rakzor_AwaySystem settings -> desktop02:02
jared555how hard is it to get 3d(ati/nvidia/intel), java, and flash working?02:02
intelikeyltmon exception being java flash extra-codecs....  like i said if someone will admin the box.02:02
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto02:02
Dr_williserik_,  vi, emacs, kate, kedit, gedit, fte, nano, pico, mcedit. :)02:02
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wickedpuppythanks Rakzor_Away02:03
romeo_one last thing i think it works beter than on my windows box02:03
ltmonjared555: intel stuff should be fine "out of the box", but nvidia and ati need some work (not much though)02:03
romeo_really does02:03
otaku-santhats good02:03
intelikeyit's not much trubble to admin a box for someone that doesn't demand that it look and act exactly like that other os.02:03
otaku-sankinda nice to know that others are making it good with there Linux02:04
otaku-sanhaving it good02:04
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jared555intelikey, the problem is I will not always be available to help them02:05
otaku-sanromeo_: how long you been using linux?02:05
jende_folks, I'll be going now...it's 2am and I'm getting more and more tired02:05
jende_see ya 2morrow02:05
otaku-sansleep is good02:05
jende_n8 to everybody02:05
Rakzor_AwayCya jende.02:06
Hydraright partitions sorted! -  p1 - 20gb xp, p2 - 20gb vista, p3 - logical (20gb, data, 80gb games, 380gb scratch, 40gb ext3, 1gb swap)02:06
Hydracrikey, 2x300gb hdd's in raid-0 rocks ;)02:06
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jende_will back toorrow after 3mugs of coffee...hehehe02:06
jende_will back tomorrow after 3mugs of coffee...hehehe02:06
Hydraacronis disk director is great..02:06
maryenguh ive been sick the past 3 days02:07
erik_anybody have problems sudo editing text with kate on a clean install?02:07
maryendo kdesu erik_02:07
erik_one other newb question... how do i whisper with konversation?02:07
maryennot sure02:08
T3hWiz0rderik_: most clients are done by /msg02:08
T3hWiz0rdmy irssi window seems to be moving oddly.02:08
maryenyou have to be registered @ freenode first though02:08
intelikeyjared555 i set up a kubuntu boxen for my mother (66 years old now)  and didn't give here "root jr." status  i simply set up a few scripts to do the four or five things that would have to have root perms and setup sudo to let her use those scripts.      long story short.  she has called me two times with printer trubble (out of ink & paper jam)  that's all the admin action needed in over a year.   so you judge.02:08
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sorush20> why do I keep getting this error guys  dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 32789 package `libxau6':  missing version E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (202:09
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ltmonsorush20: there should be lines above this that give the exact cause02:09
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intelikeysorush20 edit the file and fix it.02:11
Mandoi have a few problems with kubuntu02:11
maryenname em02:11
Mandofirst of all..02:11
ltmonsorush20: ignore my suggestion... i think i'm wrong02:11
Mandoeverytime kubuntu loads.. it does a checking all file systems check.. which checks my fat32 60 gb parition02:11
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Mandowhich takes a long time and this incredibly annoying02:12
RakzorMine too and I hate it.02:12
maryeni think thats normal02:12
sorush20intelikey: what file?02:12
intelikeyparse error means the data is not in the expected format.  the "missing version"  tells you what the exact problem is      shouldn't be hard to fix.    unless the files it turncated02:12
romeo_soory i was gone for awhile i ve been using linux for about02:12
Mandowell i dont think that taking 5 min to load is normal02:12
romeo_a year02:12
jared555any idea why the kubuntu, ubuntu, etc. livecds would fail to boot, freezing at mounting file system (I think that is it)02:12
intelikeythe one it said...... /var/lib/dpkg/status02:12
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birdfishIs there any way to remove most of the software that kubuntu initially installs?  For instance, there is no need for kword when I would rather use openoffice 2.002:12
Mandobut if u say so then it it.. i'm a linux newbie02:12
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Mandoit is*02:13
campbchbirdfish, try adept?02:13
birdfishcampbch: what's adept?02:13
maryenthe lenght of time probably has to do with it being a fat32 partition02:13
campbchthe package manager has a list of all installed packages02:13
intelikeysorush20 all the info is in the error message you posted.02:13
Mandook another problem02:13
Mandoi've made a full upgrade using adept02:13
sorush20http://pastebin.co.uk/4473, the ubuntu pastebin is down right?02:13
Mandonot my ati driver doesnt work and thus xgl + beryl dont work02:13
campbchk>system>Adept (package manager)02:13
campbchlets you install, uninstall things easily02:13
maryenone sec ill check into a way to disable fsck on fat32 at start02:14
Mandook tyt02:14
maryenMando: you upgraded to edgy02:14
campbchanyways, i am in a C class and need a compiler, so i got kdevelop3 and compiled a test console program02:14
romeo_ctakusan about ayear that ive been using linux02:14
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romeo_i had suse for a long time02:15
maryenif so the proprietary ati drivers don't work with xorg 7.1 yet if im correct02:15
romeo_got use to rpms too much02:15
campbchbut for some reason i cant get it to run in console, or x for that matter02:15
romeo_got lazy02:15
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LjLcampbch: just for the record though, KDevelop isn't a compiler: it's an IDE, i.e. basically a glorified text editor with facilities for automatically invoking compilers, debuggers etc. the C compiler you're using is GCC.02:15
campbchi know02:15
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campbchbut i used that, found the binary, but it still wont work02:16
sorush20could someone look at my error please and reply http://pastebin.co.uk/447302:16
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LjLcampbch: elaborate?02:16
xsachawhat's wrong camp?02:16
mac_i have 3 128mb rimm memory sticks.  should i install all 3 or just 2?02:16
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Mando_sorry got disconnected02:17
maryenMando: give me a sec and ill check on the driver problem02:17
intelikeysorush20 you mean someone else ?02:17
Mando_i dont think i've upgraded to edgy02:17
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campbchok. i started the ide, made a default console project, compiled it, and now i have the binary. to run the binary, i would either run it from x, which i hoped would invoke konsole, or run it from konsole as /src/debug/testing02:17
Mando_i got a new source.list from source-o-matic02:17
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campbchbut neither is working?02:17
maryenMando_: you did a dist upgrade right?02:17
Mando_and clicked full upgrade in adept02:17
LjLcampbch: what happens when you try from the console?02:17
maryengive me the site you got it from02:18
campbchit says that it can't find the command02:18
maryenso i can look at it02:18
Mando_ok 1 sec.02:18
RakzorArg, installing Kubuntu, installer is detecting file system, it's been at 14% for...a few hours now, is that really normal?02:18
xsachacd /src/debug/testing && ./mytestbinary02:18
intelikeycampbch is it executable ?02:19
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository02:19
campbchsomeone in #kdevelop said something about typing ./testing or /testing, something about . not being in the path02:19
LjLmac_: if you've got three free slots, and don't need the third DIMM somewhere else, i don't see why'd you only install two.02:19
xsachachmod a+x mytestbinary   if it says permission denied02:19
Dr_willisLjL,  thats way toooo logical. :)02:19
LjLcampbch: indeed, if you are in a directory, you can't just type the name of an executable that's in that directory -- you should prefix it with "./"02:19
campbchbut it still didn't work?02:19
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xsachato execute it you must do: ./mytestbinary   when in the direct of mytestbinary02:20
campbchone sec...02:20
xsachawhat was error camp?02:20
LjLDr_willis: well, i had a laugh with the others in #ubuntu-offtopic before replying though ;-P02:20
maryenMando_: upload your sources.list to this site 'http://www.megaupload.com/' and give me the resulting link02:20
intelikeyor full path.   which campbch specified the first time.02:20
Dr_willisLjL,  i see WAY too many questions like that on a daily basis.02:20
Mando_i'm on windows now :S02:21
Mando_ok nevermind about xgl now02:21
campbch:D it worked that time02:21
campbchi'm happy02:21
HydramHHHhh, booted the live cd again and this time it wouldn't initialise my network connection (no packets received)02:21
intelikey/usr/src/testing   == cd /usr/src ;./testing02:21
Mando_i want to skip the checking all filesystems02:21
Mando_and i want to get the wifi working02:21
maryenok then02:21
Mando_these are more important now02:21
sorush20intelikey: no I mean anyone who knows about what to do really... what does the error mean what can I do about it ?02:21
mac_ljl actually it's rimm but i don't think that matters.  i thought i read somewhere you get better performance if you install in pairs.02:21
maryenwell ill need a little info first02:21
LjLDr_willis, my computer came with a disk called "Workbench", but when i put it in, it does nothing and then only shows a gray screen with some pictures. what can i do?02:22
Mando_ok sure02:22
maryenwhen you did the source o matic thing02:22
Mando_and the upgrade 2day02:22
Dr_willisLjL,  'im holding this paper up to the screen and running the scanner program.. but it dont scan....'02:22
Hydrathen i tried ifup eth1 - no interface (bollocks, eth1 in dmesg output) added eth1 to /etc/net/interfaces swapped network cable to other port, ifup eth1, dhcp server contacted.  ip configured, but it wouldn't talk to the outside world...02:22
maryenwhat option did you choose for the distro02:22
Hydra(no pings or dns)02:22
LjLmac_: i don't know, but i'll believe any better performance due to that will disappear in front of 128 more megs of RAM, especially since 128*3 isn't such a huge amount nowadays02:22
maryenhoary, breezy, or dapper02:22
Hydramhh, bloody linux02:22
sorush20there are a lot of errors on the sources from the source-o-matic I would not recommend it.. there is no link to the sources of the commercial pakcages in the conanical servers02:23
Mando_i have kubuntu dapper drake 6.0602:23
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Hydrait's just so  *random*..02:23
maryenok we'll do wifi first02:23
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Mando_ok sure02:23
maryendo you happen to know what chipset your wireless is running02:23
Mando_kubuntu finds my wireless network but doesnt seem to communicate with it02:23
LjLDr_willis: i assume you're familiar with the "!doesn't work" and the "!nothing" factoids, by the way.02:23
intelikeycampbch you can add the pwd to your path.   it's a security hole  but not a big one.       echo  'export PATH="$PATH:./" ' >> ~/.profile02:23
mac_Ljl i was thinking the same thing.  but i figured i'd ask for a 2nd opinion before i crawled back in the corner to unhook this thing02:23
Dr_willisLjL,  is there a !putforthaLITTLEeffortMan factoid? :)02:24
maryenok, so your wireless appears to work, but won't attach to your network?02:24
Mando_intel prowireless 2200G02:24
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LjLDr_willis: no, there is a !patience factoid though... we try to be nice :P02:24
Hydraoh neat, this time i've got garbage/artifacts on the kubuntu loading screen while the cd is booting..02:25
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands02:25
Mando_well the wireless LED on the router doesnt flicker at all.. its like kubuntu isnt sending nor recieving anything02:25
intelikeysorush20 are you firewalled in ?02:25
Hydraooh, a mouse pointer!02:25
sorush20intelikey: what does that got to do with anything02:25
campbchthis might seem like a basic question... but rm removes files, rmdir removes empty directories, and what removes full directories?02:25
campbchi checked man rmdir for a switch that would allow it to delete everything in the directory, but it didn't say anything02:25
Hydrawhen, btw, is xorg going to get rid of that HIDEOUS "X" mouse pointer...02:25
LjLcampbch: rm with the -r option.02:25
Hydrathat's been around for YEARS now..02:26
Rakzorrm -r02:26
intelikeysorush20 has nothing to do with anything.  i give up.02:26
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maryenMando_: wireless problem might be a little hard to fix until i get the lspci code for your card02:26
sorush20intelikey: I thought you were trying to help me are you or not?02:26
LjLHydra: decades, i believe. anyway, i don't mind it, the one i hate is the "clock" pointer02:26
intelikeynot anymore.02:26
Mando_ok can i help in searching for it? like what to do and what to search for02:27
campbchalright thanks02:27
mac_Hydra, the display on one of my machines is messed up during boot and after x shuts down but is perfect while x is running :)02:27
intelikeysorry dude.  my patients just ended.02:27
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intelikeylater folks.02:27
Hydraahh good, the network's working this time - did i do anything different?  no...  nice to see linux so stable, lol02:27
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LjLgee, it shows for probably a good *two seconds* :P02:28
LjL... on slow machines02:28
Dr_willisThey should be showing some "Linux/Xorg (tm)" splash screens! :)02:28
maryenMando_: you would need to be in linux for me to instruct you on where to get that info02:28
campbchi havent had problems with stability so much as getting things to run, and it's been pretty consistently my lack of experience that's done it02:28
Mando_switching to linux02:28
Dr_willisI dont see it ever.. but i think the x startup scripts on ubuntu set the background and cursors befor X shows up02:28
maryenas for your fat32 problem02:28
Hydrathey should deffo change the old pointers though02:28
maryenone sec02:29
Hydrathey're horrid02:29
LjLWelcome to Kubuntu, a GNU/Linux/Xorg/KDE system02:29
jmichaelx are there any cups wizards in here? i am trying to configure this PC as a print server.... but when i 'lpq' from a client machine, i get 'no default destination available'. the machine with the printer is kubuntu edgy, the client machine is running kubuntu dapper02:29
Mando_what about the fat32 problem?02:29
maryenyou're going to need to edit a file02:29
Mando_ok no probs.. which file and what to edit?02:29
RakzorAnyone know if an install of Dapper should take 4 hours? It says detectin file system 14%...but four hours? =\02:29
maryenlet me put together an example for you real quick02:29
maryengimme just a second02:29
Hydraright, let's see what dmraid give me this time02:30
Mando_dapper took me like 45 min or so02:30
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RakzorDang something's wrong then...02:30
Mando_yeah definitely02:30
jmichaelxRakzor: that sure is slow.... what kind of machine are you using?02:30
Mando_or ur pc is super slow02:30
Hydraaha, partitions!02:30
RakzorDell 2400.02:30
Dr_willisWhat Kind of chip ya got? a Dorito?02:30
jmichaelxwell, what kind of CPU?02:30
RakzorLmao, a pentium.02:30
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jmichaelxa pentium what?02:30
RakzorI dunno.=p02:31
Dr_willisgotta love vague answers...02:31
Hydrabut btw, i should *reallllllly* be able to do this from the installer02:31
RakzorAnd I don't know how to check on Kubuntu02:31
Linux_Galore_eeer its got a cpu in it02:31
Dr_willislook in the bios screens02:31
Linux_Galore_and some wires02:31
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jmichaelxRakzor: are you using konversation?02:31
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maryenmanda_: did you specify a mount point for your fat32 partition?02:32
jmichaelxtype /sysinfo and press enter02:32
Dr_willislive cd works? but the isntall dont eh?02:32
maryenif so can you tell me what it is02:32
RakzorSysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2392 MHz (4789 bogomips), , RAM: 749/756MB, 123 proc's, 3.17h up02:32
RakzorOh nvm, not a pentium.02:32
Mando_ hda2 is that it?02:32
domSysinfo for 'friday.dl.nibble.bz': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 1808 MHz (2011 bogomips), , RAM: 949/1010MB, 118 proc's, 7.50h up02:32
Linux_Galore_yeah its a celery02:32
Mando_and another fat32 partition on hda102:32
jmichaelxRakzor: i am not sure what is wrong, but your CPU should not have any problems at all02:33
Dr_willisSysinfo for 'bubba: Linux 2.6.15-26-386   CPU: Z80 2.5 Mhz (.000001 bogomips),, RAM 16K, 1 proc, 1hr up02:33
Linux_Galore_Rakzor: swap to the i686 kernel in adept02:33
HydraI've got ext3 and swap partitions defined and it *STILL* doesn't let me choose where to install kubuntu02:33
Rakzorjmichaelx: It tried to creat a swap, but it didn't work, could that have messed it up?02:33
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jmichaelxRakzor: not sure, but i doubt it02:34
Hydradon't the guys that make the installer realise that people DON'T START WITH BLANK HDD's!02:34
Linux_Galore_Rakzor: go into adept and search for kernel02:34
RakzorHm, how do I ge to adept?02:34
Dr_willisI start with bank hdd;s02:34
otaku-sansee ya'll02:34
RakzorHeh nvm02:34
Linux_Galore_Rakzor: menu->system->adept02:34
Hydraany got any suggestions on how i can setup kubuntu on a hard drive that's already got partitions on it ready to be formatted/used ?02:34
campbchSysinfo for 'stormbreaker': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.86GHz at 798 MHz (1598 bogomips), , RAM: 717/1002MB, 107 proc's, 2.31h up02:35
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)02:35
campbchim doin alright.02:35
jmichaelxi should not have mentioned /sysinfo lol02:35
campbchprocessor speed's a bit low, but it's a laptop :D02:35
campbchi couldnt resist, sorry02:35
Hydrabtw, "manually edit partition table" doesn't let me choose devices from /dev/mapper/*, it only gives me /dev/sd*02:35
jmichaelxcampbch: your CPU is not slow at all02:36
jmichaelxcampbch: you have plenty to work with02:36
campbchits not slow, so much as slow-er02:36
mac_Rakzor, sounds like a problem i had on one of my computers.  the only way i could get past it was to actually unplug it for a minute and then plug it back in.  turning off and on didn't help.  don't know if you have the same problem but i think that's the same place i was hanging02:36
maryenalmost done02:36
Mando_ok great :D02:36
jmichaelxcampbch: i use MUCH slower machines commonly02:36
Linux_Galore_put it this way a P3 733 is fine with Kubuntu02:36
Rakzormac_: I'll try it, waiting hasn't done anything.02:36
campbchi dont notice differences between this and my 3ghz02:36
campbchin any sense02:36
campbchand my first install was suse a year back on a 533mhz celeron, so i know what you mean :D02:37
mac_yeah, i run a p3 733 with kubuntu and it's fine.  but it's a bit finer with xubuntu02:37
Hydraanyone? anyone?02:37
jmichaelxLinux_Galore_: i use kubuntu on a 500Mhz P3 all the time with no problems.... i watch DVDs , streaming videos , etc etc02:37
Linux_Galore_Ive got xubuntu on a PII 450 thats the slowest machine I have right now02:38
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Linux_Galore_whizzes along with xubuntu on it02:38
mac_Linux_Galore_, i switched to freedos for my p2s02:38
jmichaelxi have a 400Mhz celeron with zenwalk, and it works great02:38
maryenMando_: ok http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27727/, this is the example, when you get into linux, you're going to want to type 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' into the konsole and follow this things instructions02:38
Linux_Galore_just dont open firefox though02:39
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jmichaelxmac_: there are linux distros that would run well on that machine02:39
tyl3rAm I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?02:39
jmichaelxon P2s, that is02:39
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Mando_ok thanks a bunch!02:40
jmichaelxi also have damn small linux on an old P1/166Mhz :-D.... and i surf the net with firefox02:40
maryenjust a warning mando02:40
maryendisabling filesystem checking can leave your fat32 partition unhealthy02:40
tyl3rAm I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?02:40
maryenbut only as unhealthy as windows leaves it02:40
Mando_i'll do a fsck everyonce and a while02:41
mac_jmichaelx, sure.  i ran mandriva on it.  i'm just on a mission to rotate between OSS OSs as they hit v1.0.  freedos did recently.  if reactos ever does i'll add it, too02:41
Linux_Galore_my favorite machine right now is a Dual P4 Xeon (1.6Ghz) I built from bits and pieces02:41
Hydrahmm, there's a new ubquity installer02:41
Hydrai'll try upgrading that first02:41
Mando_thank you very very much02:41
jmichaelxmac_: cool02:41
maryentell me when you're in linux if you can02:42
maryenkonversation has this channel preloaded into it02:42
mac_i think dsl would run nicely on my palmv.  :)02:42
Linux_Galore_Ive grown not to like oem machines or pre mades, I like building machines from junk other people have decided to deprecate for one reason or another02:42
jmichaelxi am still a total amateur at putting PCs together, but i am learning. i bought this PC from a school for $5 (along with three others) about a month ago02:42
jmichaelx*loves junk PCs02:42
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Mando_ok will do02:43
tyl3rAm I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?02:43
Linux_Galore_junker = pc built from bits and pieces that others have decided to either sell or throw out02:43
jmichaelxbusy cursor?02:43
tyl3rthe jumping icon02:43
maryeni need to build a junker server02:43
tyl3rwhen you open new apps02:43
maryenand or testing box02:44
RakzorYeah that annoying lil thing...02:44
jmichaelxLinux_Galore_: most of my PCs were discarded from offices and schools02:44
tyl3ryeah in edgy there isn't anymore the option to disable it02:44
Linux_Galore_jmichaelx: your like me, do you have a collection of CPU's yet02:44
jmichaelxi have edgy, but no busy cursor (that i know of)02:44
campbchjmichael, how do you go about doing that?02:45
campbchdo you need connections, or what?02:45
jmichaelxyou mean CPU chips?? i don't have that, but i have about 15 old desktops and 2 laptops (one with a non-functioning screen)02:45
campbchthe thought occurred to me a while back02:45
Linux_Galore_you know your a junker addict when you always carry a screw driver and when you walk the dog and find an old pc on the curb you pull it appart and strip it02:45
maryentyl3r: gimme a sec02:45
mac_i bought my first new computer not long ago because it was only $380.  amd64 3500, 200 gb hd, tv/radio tuner, 1 gb ram, dvd burner.  i just couldn't pass it up.  but speaking of the reuse lotto, last week i picked up a p4 for $30 at the salvation army.  it didn't have a monitor, mouse, or kb so they were selling it for $30 while the p2 next to it did and was priced at $110 :)02:45
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tyl3rok maryen02:46
tyl3rthanks a lot02:46
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jmichaelxthat is awesome, mac_02:46
Linux_Galore_Ive left a trail of hundreds of pc carcases with the ram and cpu and hardisk removed02:46
mac_Linux_Galore_, that's only cool if you take the rest of the machine to the recycler.02:46
maryentyl3r: type 'kcontrol' into your konsole, and go to launch feedback under appearance and themes02:46
Linux_Galore_mac_: the council recycles them here anway02:46
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mac_Linux_Galore_, ok02:47
bioticproG'day yall, q: if blank dvds are 4.7GB capacity, why do all the ripping programs have the default image size set to 4.4GB?02:47
jmichaelxmac_: i have several boxes that need to go to the recycler02:47
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RakzorUptime: 3 hours and 32 minutes02:47
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RakzorHm, three hours...02:47
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tyl3rawsome, thanks!!!!02:48
jmichaelxthis $5 box has become my main PC, the only thing i have done to it, is add a $10 usb 2.0 PCI card02:48
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tyl3rI did it02:48
tyl3rno more busy cursor02:48
tyl3rthanks a lot maryen02:48
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mac_tyl3r, i HATE thing.  the guy on dl.tv was talking about how much he liked it :)02:48
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maryeneh, to each his own02:48
maryeni like it personally02:49
tyl3rit's so annoying02:49
jmichaelxoops, i lied, i did add a 128MB nvidia video card , as well02:49
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: depends how you measure a 1k  some read it as 1000 bits some 102402:49
tyl3rand imo it also slows the opening of a program02:49
maryenalthough i would like it to be more representative of how the program is opening02:49
mac_lol@ "How many bytes are in a gigabyte?"02:49
maryentyl3r, what speed cpu are you running? >.>02:49
tyl3rathlon64 320002:49
jmichaelxi am running edgy, and have no idea what this busy cursor thing is lol02:50
tyl3rI know it's not shit LOL02:50
maryenwhats its clockspeed02:50
mac_jmichaelx, it's what makes your cursor bounce when you start an app02:50
apsog33kcontrol is your friend02:50
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: also if its a data dvd you lose space for the file system overhead02:50
maryenyou should really look into getting a dual core02:50
jmichaelxmac_: ooooh, i like that busy cursor lol02:50
maryenthey are very very nice02:50
jmichaelxnow i know what you all mean02:51
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tyl3rI know a Conroe would rock02:51
tyl3rbut they are damn expensive02:51
tyl3rand I actually use only 1ghz02:51
maryenive got a 1.7 intel core dup02:51
jmichaelx*still thinks that P3's rock02:51
maryenand my computer hardly ever slows down02:51
tyl3rmine doesn't too but that icon is so useful02:52
tyl3rsorry useless02:52
maryenmainly because its currently impossible for one application to take all the processor cycles02:52
bioticproLinux_Galore_: ok, thx02:52
tyl3ryeah, only when I compile or play02:52
maryenwhat speed is the conroe you were wanting?02:53
tyl3rwhere are you from guys?02:53
campbchanyone know how the mp32ogg converter works? i've been trying mp32ogg <filename> with spaces, spaces>_ and spaces>%20 even... sudo included. i just cant get it do do anything but print an about statement for mp32ogg02:53
tyl3rdon't know really02:53
tyl3rmaybe 320002:53
maryentry soundkonverter02:53
maryen3200 @.@02:53
jmichaelx are there any cups wizards in here? i am trying to configure this PC as a print server.... but when i 'lpq' from a client machine, i get 'no default destination available'. the machine with the printer is kubuntu edgy, the client machine is running kubuntu dapper02:53
maryencan't think of what you would need that much speed on a dual core for02:53
apsog33does anybody have a logitech G15 keyboard?02:53
tyl3ryeah, it's mainly for gamers02:54
tyl3rand overclockers02:54
maryentyl3r, you do know that the speed they print for dual core processors are for only one core right02:54
Linux_Galore_campbch: usually you have to define the ripp rate and both the input and output file names02:54
tyl3rmmmm no02:54
maryenwhich means if you got an app that could use both cores you would have the equivalent of 6.4 ghz02:54
Rakzor6.4 ghz?02:55
apsog33it's not that efficient02:55
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maryenmine if using an app made to use both cores comes out to be 3.4 theoretically*02:55
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maryenapsog33, bah it would be at least 5ghz02:56
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ArmedGeekbah! i broke my sound!02:57
bioticproLinux_Galore_: so if I right click on a DVD on kde desktop, go to properties, what is the maximum size for a single layer disk, in bytes?02:57
maryenthe only thing i don't care for in edgy is that it scales processor speed automatically without any option to not do that02:57
yokobrim trying to install macosx x86, but it doesnt see my hd02:57
yokobrmy mac doesnt see my sata hd......if i boot from "ultimate boot cd" it maybe see?02:57
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lugburzgerman room?02:58
lugburzname of the german room?02:58
maryenalthough it does it 100x more effectively than dapper did so im not as bothered by it as i would be02:58
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de02:58
tyl3rsince I'm here I'm going to ask one more question02:58
eduHey I am  having a problem using Beryl02:58
bioticproLinux_Galore_: I assume it should be 47000000, and 4.4GB02:58
maryenlugburz: lol02:58
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: data or iso ?02:58
tyl3rdo you guys have problems with the nvidia beta drivers on edgy?02:58
campbchsoundkonverter does the trick :D02:58
lugburzwas denn?02:58
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.02:59
eduwhen it starts it says "02:59
eduberyl: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing02:59
eduberyl: Failed to manage screen: 002:59
eduberyl: No manageable screens found on display :1.002:59
tyl3rI mean installing them02:59
bioticproLinux_Galore_: a DVD movie disk02:59
ubotusp: James Clark's SGML parsing tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-1.2.1-46ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 169 kB, installed size 592 kB02:59
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.02:59
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: well most dvd movies are dual layer now around 7.2Gb02:59
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tyl3rsee you guys02:59
maryenedu, you using nvidia driver?02:59
bioticproLinux_Galore_: the one I have loaded now, says size is 4.4GB02:59
maryencya tyl3r02:59
eduno, i am using ati driver03:00
tyl3rok see you and thanks a lot!!!!03:00
poisonsoy un novato de linux. estoy con el kubunto. podriais decirme algunas web interesantes para iniciarme con esto?03:00
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Linux_Galore_bioticpro: tight wads03:00
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.03:00
eduand i have followed a hint on the beryl page but there is a problem, there is no file03:00
bioticproLinux_Galore_: its an old forein movie...03:00
flacciddual layer is 8.5GB03:00
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maryenedu, try using the open source driver03:00
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: thats the image size, it doesnt actually define the size of the dvd media03:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:01
campbch:D lol03:01
eduone thing03:01
maryenpoor japanese03:01
eduon the web page they tell to do this:03:01
eduLD_PRELOAD=/usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 compiz --replace gconf03:01
eduis in kubuntu the file located in another place?03:01
maryenare you using edgy or dapper?03:01
jmichaelxis there an ubuntu cups room??03:01
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eduand the driver is 8.27.1003:02
maryenits very difficult in dapper, you have to have xorg7.1 installed03:02
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maryenyou wouldn't have happened to compiled that yourself already have you?03:02
eduwow, i have a 56k connection :-( are the xorg files very heavy?03:02
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flaccidhmm double-sided dual layer is 17GB03:03
flacciddidnt know that existed03:03
Linux_Galore_edu: lol 56k, now thats a piece of history right there03:03
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eduI live in a village :-D03:03
bioticproLinux_Galore_: ok, to be specific, I am trying to figure out whether I need to shrink this movie to copy it to a single layer blank, or if it will fit as is03:03
maryeni would suggest upgrading to edgy after it goes stable rather than trying to compile your own xorg03:03
RakzorHow big is it?03:03
jmichaelxa LOT of people are still on 56k connections03:03
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flaccidbioticpro: size?03:03
maryenamerica is all the world that matters03:03
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: use k3b and just tell it to burn the iso, if its the wrong size it will complain03:04
eduI live in europe03:04
maryenwho cares about those sub-people03:04
eduomg hahahaha03:04
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jmichaelxactually, there are probably more people in the US on dial-up than in europe03:04
bioticproflaccid: 4.4GB (4,672,020,624)03:04
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bioticproflaccid: thats the size kde tells me by right clicking on the DVD icon on desktop03:05
maryenedu: xorg seems to be difficult to compile03:05
eduIt is funny to think that so many people is using a 90s technology 03:05
campbchthey ran an article about that awhile back... we CAN upgrade everything to provide cheap broadband to everyone, but supply and demand prevents... raise the supply too much, you have no profit03:05
eduhey maryen, about the free driver option03:05
flaccidwell some things tell me that 4.7GB can fit finalised03:05
jmichaelxedu: you cannot get broadband in most rural areas in the US03:05
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: k3b wont allow you to burn an iso that doesnt fit the media03:05
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: if you not sure try it03:05
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: no harm done03:05
maryenedu: the free driver won't fix the problem unless you've got xorg7.1 installed03:05
campbchyou can get satellite, if nothing else... and it gets better every year03:06
flaccidbut other things say 4.3GB. do what Linux_Galore_ said and try burning it :)03:06
edui could have satellite access but that would be very expansive03:06
maryenand sadly there aren't any packages for dapper03:06
bioticproLinux_Galore_: well, I don't actually have a burner yet, Im backing up some dvds first03:06
jmichaelxcampbch: i had starband for a year and a half or so several years ago, and it sucked bad03:06
maryenedgy is going stable in like 6 days03:06
eduor WIMAX, but i'll have to wait another year03:06
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campbchmy mother lives in Peck, Mi, a pop 1000 something village in the middle of the thumb... she couldnt get cable, so she got satellite03:06
campbchyeah it sucked03:06
maryenso it won't be much of a wait03:06
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bioticproLinux_Galore_: I like to play my dvds right off the HD instead03:07
campbchbut then the next year they put lines in for cable03:07
maryeni heard that with satellite they ration your internet acess03:07
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campbchso it's getting there03:07
eduso that problem is a xorg bug?03:07
jmichaelxmaryen: it is true03:07
campbchyou think they dont with cable? :p03:07
bioticproyou can play *.isos with kaffeine03:07
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: yeah kiso allows you to open an iso03:07
maryenedu: more like it wants a feature only 7.1 has03:07
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jmichaelxand on a cloudy day your connection gets cut off over and over03:07
maryenedu: and dapper uses 7.003:07
bioticproLinux_Galore_: ok, so I can test it without acutally having a burner03:07
eduit depends on the contract you have, most of them are unidirectional and with a limited amount of MBs03:07
maryenjmichaelx: whats true03:07
maryenjmichaelx: rationing?03:08
maryenjmichaelx: thats the ultimate level of gay03:08
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eduAre there any plans about backporting xorg 7.1 to dapper?03:08
Xal2Kubuntu 6.10 is coming out soon, correct?03:08
jmichaelxi agree03:08
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: not sure, k3b tests the blank media before it burns so I doubt it will work03:08
maryenedu: no there aren't at the moment03:08
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eduI've heard that kubuntu edgy won't be shipped free, that's a pity,  since i won't be able to download it.03:08
maryenedu: but they might, dapper is suppsed to be LTS03:09
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eduI see, maryen03:09
flaccidi thought edgy is an experimental release03:09
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maryenedu: is there any way you could just upgrade your dapper through the repos?03:09
Linux_Galore_bioticpro: hmm might work there is a test mode in k3b03:09
jmichaelxmaryen: yes03:09
edubtw, i have 3d accel but i tried war craft 3 in cedega and it ran terrible slow....03:09
campbchedgy is the next version, right? like dapper was when breezy was around? that's what i was under the impression of, at least03:10
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campbchhow does the versioning work?03:10
maryenedu: it would take a couple of days, but it would get you edgy faster than downloading the 700mb iso03:10
maryencampbch: dapper is supposed to be the main version for 3 or so years03:11
eduI can't have the   comp. downloading a couple of days, my fathers would get crazy03:11
maryencampbch: with the others being upgrades of it03:11
eduand my brothers want to chat and that stuff03:11
Linux_Galore_dapper = stable edgy = unstable03:11
flaccidmaryen: support for 3 years. not main version for 3 years :)03:11
maryenflaccid: ah03:11
eduA bad thing about linux is that the narrow band connections seems to work worse than in windows03:11
eduI'll explain03:11
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flaccidLinux_Galore_: wtf03:11
Linux_Galore_also just because you run dapper doesnt mean you have to stick with an old kde desktop03:11
campbchwell yeah03:12
campbchhow old was breezy?03:12
maryenedu: if you do the upgrade during night time it will still work03:12
eduwhen you're in windows you can be chatting and downloading a file, and the chat will go on, but in linux, you put adept to download something03:12
Linux_Galore_right now I have dapper with kde 3.5.503:12
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eduand it's like if the program takes the whole connection to it03:12
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edu(sorry for my little English :P)03:12
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maryenedu: adept will keep the files it already downloaded, so you would still make progress03:12
edui see! the cache03:13
maryenedu: yep03:13
Linux_Galore_campbch: 6 month release cycles do the math03:13
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campbchi see...03:13
maryeneither way, beryl is still not worth the upgrade03:13
maryenits still far too buggy and slow for day to day use03:14
maryenjust nice for something to play with03:14
eduOr  a better option... a friend can download it for me, as I did before! but they'r getting tired of my linux downloads hahaha03:14
edui'll wait to the edgy release03:14
maryenwant me to send you a link to the latest edgy iso?03:14
Linux_Galore_Im very happy with dapper so Im not updating for the hell of it03:14
eduor perhaps mandriva 2007... has anyone tried it?03:14
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule03:14
eduIt loosk good03:15
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule03:15
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maryenEdgy comes out on Oct 2603:15
Linux_Galore_edu: you need more than 512mb of ram or 2007 is a bit slow03:15
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mandohey maryen03:15
maryenmando: heya03:15
mandothe solution u gave me worked just fine!03:15
eduI have 51203:15
Linux_Galore_edu: more than not 51203:16
mandolet me upload my source.list03:16
mandoso u can help me with my ati xgl problem03:16
Linux_Galore_edu: it will work but if you open a few things its a bit laggy03:16
mandoafter the source-o-matic upgrade the fglrx uses mesa03:16
eduSo people were claiming about Vista, but Mandriva is also memory hungry! hehe03:16
maryenhey guys, remind me, the next time i buy a HD, make it a hitachi03:17
Linux_Galore_edu: depends, if you turn all the stupid services off its not too bad on 51203:17
maryenthey have a very helpful guide for installing their drives on linux machines03:17
eduwhy hitachi? segate works fine :-P03:17
flaccidvista is horrible for mem usage03:17
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Linux_Galore_Im intrested to see if the Mandriva Parallel boot method is better then the new setup in edgy03:18
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eduLinux_Galore: So does mandriva come with a lot of unnecesary services activated by default?03:18
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maryenyou said the word that must not be spoken03:18
flaccidsounds like fedora hehe03:18
eduI remember that i was amazed about the huge memory consumption of windows me, and then i installed XP, it was.......worse! hhahahaha03:18
maryendoesn't "it" have 1gb of ram usage03:18
Linux_Galore_edu: yes03:18
Linux_Galore_edu: dont forget mandriva is a kitchen sink distro03:19
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flaccidubuntu is more like a bar fridge03:19
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Linux_Galore_edu: also get Mandriva Power Pack of a torrent not the standard version03:19
flaccidit can handle more than a few beers if required03:19
soulridercan someone here help me witht he grub ?03:19
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soulrideri reisnatlled kubuntu03:19
soulriderand lost it, so i had to reinstall it03:20
maryenmando: you wanted to get xgl running on dapper?03:20
flaccidproblem, soulrider?03:20
soulriderbut when i try to load one of my OS03:20
soulriderit sais it cant find the partition03:20
eduIMHO kubuntu is great thanks to the apt-get system and the completely free service, in mandriva you have to manage with plfs and the package manager seems to be.......slow.03:20
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mandoi read somewhere that following the steps i did to install the ati driver and xgl again would solve it03:20
flaccidsoulrider: try a sudo update-grub03:20
Linux_Galore_edu: yeah Mandriva uses smart (used to be urpmi) and its dog slow compared to apt-get03:20
eduyup, i know, the standard version is like........fedora of red hat03:20
campbchIMHO kubuntu is great because so far it hasn't fried my computer like slackware did :03:20
maryenmando: i really wouldn't suggest using xgl at the moment03:21
campbch:\ getting it running is one thing, getting it off is another03:21
mandoyeah it was working just fine and fglrxinfo showed ati and xgl + beryl were working just fine until i did that stup full upgrade03:21
eduSlackware fried your computer? OMG!03:21
soulriderflaccid: im using the live CD since i cant load kubuntu03:21
maryenwhat's fglrx saying now?03:21
mandonow even the login box of kubuntu has no borders around the space for the username and pass03:21
campbchOMG! when i went to reformat it to try something else, it stopped reading disks as bootable03:21
soulriderthat command told me i had no grub installed03:21
soulridersorry, the error was: No GRUB directory found.03:22
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maryenyour ati driver broke then03:22
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campbchand then there were problems with the mbr, and other things i cant remember03:22
flaccidsoulrider: ah ok. you might need to edit the menu.lst manually03:22
maryendid you install it from the repos?03:22
ubotuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO03:22
maryenok gimme a sec03:22
mandoperhaps the linux restricted modules need to be updated?03:22
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage03:23
soulriderflaccid: can you guide me please ?03:23
soulriderim NEVER gonna try to isnatll suse again03:23
soulriderit screwed my whole system up03:23
soulridermaybe if i try to reinstall kubuntu03:23
campbchsuse was right before slack, and i didnt have any problems with it03:23
Linux_Galore_someone needs to create a dapper->edgy easy update script03:23
maryennah, we'll just have you install the driver from the ati site03:23
maryengimme a sec03:23
soulrideri just reinstalled it but never managed to actually get into it03:23
mandoi had it already installed before i ran xgl03:23
soulriderwell i tried to install suse and it never installed a grub03:24
soulrideri could never get into it03:24
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flaccidsoulrider: so whats the status of the partitions. is the kubuntu partitions ok?03:24
soulriderand i could get into windows either, whcih is on another partition03:24
soulrideryeah, i just reinstalled03:24
soulrideri just cant access any of my OS03:24
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mandoi followed these instructions03:24
flaccidso what happens on boot now?03:24
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Linux_Galore_soulrider: suse asks you if you want to install the bootloader in the mbr, if not your suposed to insert a floppy03:24
maryenso you installed the driver from the ati site, or the one from the repositories03:24
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soulrideri reinstalled grub,a nd i see my Os options03:25
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soulriderbut when i slect one fo them03:25
soulriderit sais partition not found03:25
mandothat link i gave you.. whatever that is lol03:25
maryendid you use method 103:25
flexanboot 6.10 RC x86 version my comp hangs at the Kubuntu splash screen at the first bar for progress03:25
mandothis looks like my problem03:25
sorush20any howtos on how to setup linux software raids for two hdd eide and one ide port03:26
mandodoes this solve it?03:26
Linux_Galore_flexan: does the same for me, welcome to using unstable software03:26
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maryenfirst lets get some stuff removed03:26
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flexani went ahead and removed the splash and quiet options and I found the error03:26
flexanbut not sure why i am getting it03:26
flaccidsoulrider: can you mount the / partition of kubuntu?03:27
flaccidfrom live cd03:27
mandostart with what?03:27
flexanit is: Buffer I/O error on device hdc logical block 35538603:27
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soulrideri can03:27
soulriderits sda5 and when it ry to mount it03:27
maryen'sudo apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx --purge' in konsole03:27
soulriderit sais its my swap03:27
soulriderand my swap is sda603:27
soulriderwhen i try to mount sda603:27
flexanhdc is my dvd/cd driver that I am botting the livecd from03:27
soulriderit mounds it as if it were my root03:27
soulriderflaccid: should i mount sda6 anyways >03:28
flexani went ahead and reburned the CD at 4x in case that was the problem, but nope, didn't solve the issue03:28
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flaccidso you can mount the / part. can you access /boot/grub/menu.lst from the kubuntu / part?03:28
soulriderlet me try03:28
mandook done03:28
flexansome searches turned up results of this same problem on old drives that don't support enwer formats. but my drive is only a year old03:28
flexanthe weird thing is that gparted and linspire boot fine03:29
mandowhats next03:29
flexanso it is a kubuntu issue03:29
maryennow do 'sudo apt-get install irssi'03:29
soulriderflaccid: i mounted it03:30
soulriderand apparently i dont have that file03:30
soulrideruhm just a se03:30
soulriderci think i amde a typ003:30
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mandoirssi newest version03:30
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mandono change03:30
soulriderah yea, its there03:30
maryenits already installed?03:30
soulridershould i change sda6 for sda5 ?03:31
maryenif something should happen and your computer crashes, you won't have a gui\03:31
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soulriderand hd0,5 for hd0,4 ?03:31
flaccidum soulrider i'm not sure of your disk order03:32
mandook whats next maryen?03:32
soulridershould i send a screenshot of qtparted ?03:32
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maryenif that happens, login using your username like the cli prompt asks, and type in irssi, then /network irc.freenode.net then /channel #kubuntu03:32
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maryenthat way i can talk you through it03:32
flaccidsoulrider: ok03:33
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mandoshould i re-install the things we just removed?03:33
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maryenwe're gonna install the regular driver03:33
maryenit doesn't break as much or as easily03:34
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httpdssim trying to use keep for backup, the thing is that as destination i select remote:/Backup (which references smb://192.168.xxx.xxx/Backup) ... when trying to backup, log shows error, as if i dont have RW access to that share, but i do have RW access through konqueror... any clue? can someone repeat this ?03:34
maryendownload this: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run03:34
ala-vani am trying to mount an external usb drive... i used sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/myusb but that would only give root permission to use.  how can i can permission for everyone to use it?03:35
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mandoopen with?03:35
mandorun in terminal?03:35
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soulriderflaccid: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3798/snapshot1nc9.png sda1 is windows and sda5 is kubuntu03:35
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bioticprokaffeine users here, where is the setting to stop kaffeine from autoplaying DVDs?03:35
maryensave it03:35
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mandowow 55.1 mb!03:36
mandothat should take a while03:36
mandoi'm on a 256 kb/s connection03:36
mandothis driver should be able to support xgl?03:36
mandocool :D03:36
mandook time for frozen bubble :D03:37
mandowill be back later03:37
mandothanks for ur help so far maryen i appreciate it03:37
flaccidsoulrider: looks like hd(1,3) ?03:37
soulriderwhi 3 ?03:37
edui am leaving, bye!03:38
maryenno problem03:38
maryenbye edy03:38
Rakzoredu: bye!03:38
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:39
flaccidsoulrider: sorry its disk 1, part 2 (second disk, third partition)  hd(1,2)03:39
soulriderbut not part 3, its part 1 and part 503:40
flaccidor maybe hd(1,a)03:40
cellofellowsoulrider: grub starts counting at zero, so hda1 is hd(0,0)03:41
soulriderim gonna pastebin my grub file ok03:41
soulriderso you take a look at it03:41
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)03:41
maryenwhats the ETA on that file mando03:41
flaccidsoulrider: maybe i am reading wrong. please read http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Naming-convention03:41
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mando30 min :S03:41
mandoor less i believe03:42
mando9 mb so far03:42
cellofellowanybody know how to configure kxdocker? whenever I use the configuration utility it just fizzles out sometimes and always loads the defaults when I log in.03:42
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mandoif you have to go or something just give me some instructions to follow and i'll take it from there03:42
maryenmando: im gonna play around with AIGLX for a bit03:43
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maryensay my name when you need me03:43
flaccidsoulrider: does xp mce load from the that grub entry?03:43
mandook sure03:43
soulrideri just changed some stuff03:43
soulriderim gonna see if it works now03:43
cellofellowkxdocker? anybody know how to use it?03:43
soulriderill BRB03:43
flaccidsoulrider: primary first part is hd(0,0)03:44
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flaccidsecond disk, first part is hd(1,0)03:44
flaccidhey i could be wrong03:45
flaccidtry #grub :)03:45
maryenmando: if i may suggest it, i would say edgy with aiglx is much nicer than xgl, more stable too03:46
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RakzorHey can anyone tell me what the command "bash" does in linux? I don't wanna try it without knowin what it does...03:46
mandobut is edgy itself stable?03:46
maryenpretty much03:46
maryenim running it myself right now03:46
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mandoi fell in love with beryl03:46
maryenberyl works with AIGLX too03:46
maryenits what im using atm03:47
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mandook then perhaps i can upgrade to edgy after i install the ati driver03:47
maryennot to mention you can watch video in aiglx03:47
maryenin xgl its very buggy and can mess up your system03:47
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mandowell videos worked great on xgl before it broke down :(03:48
mandoand transparent and all03:48
=== noiesmo xgl's always worked well
maryenhmm maybe it was just the early version of xgl i had used03:48
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maryenmind you i had tried it 4 months ago or so03:49
mandoah ok03:49
maryenaiglx is just much easier to get working without tweaks03:49
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mandowill give it a shot after getting my ati driver ready03:50
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maryenmando, have you tried rain on your beryl yet?03:51
maryenits very nice03:51
mandowhats rain?03:51
maryenactivate it with shift+f903:51
maryenits a water effect03:51
mandono xgl now :(03:51
mandorunning on kde03:51
maryenmakes your desktop look like the surface of a puddle03:52
mandovery cool03:52
maryenitll be working in just a bit03:52
mando23 mb so far03:52
mandoi hate slow internet connections03:52
maryeni have fiber optic with verizon03:52
cellofellow_so, anyone know how to use kxdocker?03:52
maryen15 mb/s download speed03:52
mandowhen i was studying in germany this summer i was downloading at 3.5 mbps03:52
mandoneat :D03:52
maryen4 mb/s upload03:52
maryeni love it alot03:53
mandowell egypt sucks.. we dont have these fast connections03:53
CVirusmando: bas yala03:53
maryeneh i know how you feel sorta03:53
mandoyo cvirus03:53
mando3amel eh03:53
CVirusmando: how is it goin' dude ?03:53
CVirusmando: not bad03:53
CVirusmando: I'll brb .. phone03:53
mandoi tried messagin u a couple of days ago on this channel03:54
mandook dude03:54
maryeni was living in a dorm, that while we had good speeds, every port other than 80 was blocked off03:54
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pierrethAny here using gnucash?03:54
maryenmeaning no irc, no chat, no p2p, no torrent, etc03:54
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cellofellow_maryen: no pop/imap/smtp either?03:54
mandoyeah i feel u.. in the dorms in germany it was pretty much the same..03:54
maryencellofellow_: yep03:55
mandono i believe they leave these ports open03:55
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mandodamn.. thats too much03:55
maryencellofellow_: it was draconian03:55
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mandoah btw.. how do i register03:55
mandoi need to be able to pm03:55
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campbch. /msg nickserv register <pass>03:56
cellofellow_I just did that and screwwed up. wrong password and wrong nick. how do I unregister?03:57
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campbchyou... dont? just change your nick and re-register03:58
cellofellow_uh, ok. for some reason I can't sign on with the nick I usually use, cellofellow. says it's in use and I'm the only user of it.03:58
Mandozand how do i log in?03:58
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campbch:o make a violafellow?03:59
maryen./msg nickserv identify <pass>03:59
campbchshamisenfellow, if you're in an eastern mood :D03:59
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campbchack goodnight03:59
Mandoz33.6 / 55.1 mb so far03:59
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cellofellowwould it be possible to change my nickserve password?04:01
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maryennot without a freenode mod04:01
cellofellowoh, well.04:02
otaku-sanis there something that can go through my source list and check for bad sources?04:02
maryenyour status Mandoz04:02
cellofellowso, anybody know how to configure kxdocker so that all those aliases pointing to /var/run and /poc/bus/usb and other things go away?04:03
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: you could make a new sources.list04:03
maryennever used kxdocker04:04
BonBonTheJoncellofellow: the only time I tried kxdocker, I thought I right-clicked and deleted stuff04:04
BonBonTheJoncellofellow: or else it was in the configuration menu04:05
cellofellowI tried kooldock for a long time cause kxdocker wouldn't keep my settings, but kooldock has more bugs than an ant farm.04:05
CVirusMandoz: with ya04:05
CVirusMandoz: /join #EgLUG04:05
cellofellowBonBonTheJon: yeah, you'd think, but they come back when I restart the program.04:05
Mandozhey sorry was on the phone04:05
Mandoz42.1 mb04:05
BonBonTheJoncellofellow: no idea, then04:05
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon:  true...but there may be a source I need but forget it in the new list04:05
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: make a new one, then replace only the similar lines in your sources.list, that way you don't change the others04:06
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soulrideri reinstalled04:07
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soulriderand im still getting that error04:07
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Hawkwindsoulrider: What error ?04:07
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maryenhey soulrider, did you install suse 10.1?04:08
soulridercant find partition04:08
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: Do you mean from scratch04:08
soulriderand it didnt install a grub04:08
maryeneww you poor man04:08
sorush20hi there is an error in my /var/lib/dpkg/status file ..04:08
soulriderso i reinsatlle dkubuntu04:08
soulriderand its all screwed up04:08
soulrideri cant access any of my OS04:08
sorush20how can I make sure its fixed please?04:08
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:08
maryentry wiping your home partition, then reinstalling04:08
maryenback it up first of course04:08
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: use easysource to make a new one, and when its done compare the web page to your copy, replacing the similar lines04:08
soulrideri got 2 partitioons, one for root and one swap04:09
soulrideri dotn ahve a partition for home04:09
soulrideri see kubuntu and windows in ym grub04:09
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: ahhh...ok I google easysource and do that04:09
soulriderbut they both give me a cant mount partition error04:09
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic04:09
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: ^^^04:09
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maryendid you format your root partition when you installed ubuntu?04:09
otaku-san...that's even better04:09
sorush20hers is the paste for it http://pastebin.co.uk/447504:10
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maryensoulrider: ?04:10
soulrideri see my grub and my OSes, but when i press enter i get a cant mount partition error04:10
soulridermeaning i cant get  into any of OSes04:10
soulriderim using the liveCD04:10
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: I know some of my sources which are giving me errors..so I'll leave those out...is there some thing I could put a source into and it checks it to see if it's ok?04:11
maryensoulrider: did you format your root partition when you reinstalled ubuntu?04:11
sorush20as you can see the maintainer and version bracket is messed up, anyone don't know how it happed now I sudo apt-get -f install or remove doesn't work.. and sudo dpkg --configure -a dosen't work either04:11
soulriderof cours04:11
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: not as far as I know04:11
BonBonTheJonsoulrider: you can reconfigure grub04:11
maryenhmm dunno whats going on then04:12
soulridercan you help me do that ?04:12
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: what would it take to make such a thing...04:12
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maryenshouldn't ubuntu have auto configured grub though04:12
soulriderit does04:12
soulriderbut i dunno whats happening04:13
soulriderdamn suse04:13
maryenand why is his old setting remaing after he fried his root partition04:13
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: what if giving errors04:13
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soulrideri need to solve this ASAP, especially becaus ei need tow ork with my computer04:13
soulrideri dont think running java and eclipse form the live CD is a good idea :P04:13
RakzorUm, can I undo rm -rf /   ?04:14
CVirusmaryen: I was wondering why did you ask Mandoz to remove the linux-restricted-modules ?04:14
sorush20I guess no one can help ?04:14
Mandozmaryen file downloaded successfully04:14
silvaniaI'm having problems with my USB mouse and i tried to search for it, but im not able to find a solution, just how to restart usb device.04:14
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: actually some of these on the easysource are the ones giving me errors...such as the opera one and Cipherfunk04:14
silvaniaUSB mouse is stopping on random intervals.04:14
CVirusmaryen: why are you asking him to install a driver not in the repos ?04:14
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: just comment out those04:15
soulriderso, any ideas of what i can do witht he grub ?04:15
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: and try it again04:15
Mandozanyway the file is downloaded and ready to go04:15
maryenCVirus: drivers not in the repos aren't subject to the same problems as the repo drivers04:15
Mandozwhats the next step?04:15
CVirusmaryen: if you dont mind ... for how long have you been using Kubuntu ?04:16
maryenkubuntu, i would say maybe half a year or longer04:16
maryenwith previous experience in suse for a year and a half04:16
CVirusmaryen: and for how long have you been using GNU/Linux ?04:16
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: ok...I'll first make a back up of the source list I have...make this easysource one and update&upgrade with it...then if it works I'll use it and add any missing that I have in my old list04:16
maryenCVirus: if you wish to take over, be my guest04:16
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: basically the same thing...just a bit of a round way04:17
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: you can comment a repository out and test to see if it still works04:17
CVirusmaryen: no way .. I'm new to Kubuntu ... and I wanted to know how are you thinking04:17
Mandozmaryen if you'd please tell me what to do next :D04:17
RakzorAnyone know if I can format a hdd in Kubuntu, and if so, how?04:17
maryenmandoz: sudo apt-get update04:17
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BonBonTheJonRakzor: new hard drive04:18
CVirusRakzor: apt-get install qtparted04:18
RakzorThanks CVirus.04:18
CVirusRakzor: No problem04:18
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: true.....I just need that opera source....I'll do the comment part first then04:18
maryenMandoz: if you want to continue on your own, im going on the instructions of method 204:18
maryenyou are at the install necessary tools part04:19
Mandozwell i'd appreciate it if u can guide me if you have the time04:19
maryennow do sudo apt-get install module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)04:19
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maryenCVirus: my reasoning, is the packaged drivers are usually not as up to date as possible, as well as easily broken if linux-restricted-modules aren't kept in step04:20
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otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: ahhh it's the keys causing havoc....I thought so...ok04:21
maryenreason for uninstall of linux-restricted-modules is i've had a history of it interfering with non-packaged drivers before, but i doubt it will affect him in this case, so he can probably reinstall it04:22
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: add the keys, hopefully it will clear up the problems04:22
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: I'm looking at the errors and they're all .gpg's  I'll find the keys and try that04:22
ubotugpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto04:23
BonBonTheJonthat didnt help04:23
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maryenwhat are you trying to install otaku-san04:23
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CVirusmaryen: got that04:23
maryenwhat repo04:23
CVirusmaryen: but why didnt test the drivers in the repos first and if they fail .. then you would proceed with the steps you04:24
CVirusyou're doing right now*04:24
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maryenCVirus: the drivers in the repos already broke on him04:24
Mandozi did a fglrxinfo and it didnt show up my ati driver.. if thats a test04:24
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maryenmandoz, you finished installing that stuff?04:25
CVirusmaryen: they were working before he messed with XGL .. which proves that its not the driver's fault04:25
Mandozdownloading 20 mb04:25
Mandozalmost done04:25
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: most of the keys I need are in the easy source...and it shows how to add a key...should for the sources not on easysource...should I google em' and see if that gets the key?04:25
maryenCVirus: they broke after he did an update04:25
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BonBonTheJonotaku-san: what other sources do you have, can you pastebin your sources.list04:25
maryenMandoz: ok04:26
aghalabnick antaw04:26
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otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: yeah...and I'll comment the ones with bad keys04:26
maryenwith this driver, the only time it will break during an update would be on kernel version updates, and those aren't terribly common04:27
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: well one is a kubuntu error....and there's alot of kubuntu packages...and the key gives nothing to show which one it is...so I'll just pastebin the source04:29
maryenyou ready Mandoz?04:30
Mandoz2 more minutes.. sorry.. shitty internet connection04:31
flaccidhow to disable * Checking all filesystems.. on boot?04:31
maryenthat should be the last of the downloading btw04:31
Mandozi know that :D04:31
maryenlemme check04:31
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: Here you are  http://pastebin.ca/21456604:32
Mandozoh no i dont lol.. i just know how to disable checking fat32 paritions.. thanks to maryen04:32
Fleebailey33anyone use mol ?04:32
abattoirflaccid: edit /etc/fstab, and for the respective partition,  change the flag for checking to 004:32
abattoirflaccid: it's generally the last one, '<pass>'04:33
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: do you need all of those, I've never heard of most of them04:33
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flaccidthanks abbotoir04:33
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Mandozok downloaded04:34
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maryenok now enter 'bash ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper' into konsole04:34
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otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: ok.....man...your like the 5th person to say that....blame Hawkwind ;)  It's from his tut04:34
maryenoh wait04:34
maryenfirst change directory to wherever the driver was downloaded04:35
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: you said you needed opera04:35
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thompahas anybody tried kubuntu-64?04:35
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maryenif you were using Firefox, that would be 'cd Desktop'04:35
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: ya...I use it...so I need it to update04:35
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: back up you sources.list, then use easy-source to make a new one, you can copy over sources that you need in the new one as you find them04:35
abattoirthompa: yes, i've04:36
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: I think it will make life easier04:36
lascarI have no sound on my computer; alsa does not appear to be a running process.  Help, anyone?04:36
thompaabattoir: ive been trying to install thr egy rc 64, it will only boot acpi=off04:36
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: just a suggestion04:36
abattoirotaku-san: also you don't need the deb-src entry if you don't plan on frequently downloading the sources for the packages in main, universe etc.04:36
abattoir*deb-src entries04:37
thompaabattoir: but 386 install fine04:37
abattoirthompa: the live cd?04:37
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thompaif i go with acpi=off , my keyboard dont work and the install is finsihed (hopeless)04:37
thompaabattoir: yes04:37
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maryenMandoz: done?04:38
Mandozok done04:38
Mandozwhats next?04:38
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: oh well that would take off quite a bit in the source list...I'll use the easy source one with all of the packs and sources checked...04:38
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: that should be good for me04:38
maryenin konsole 'sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.29.6-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i fglrx-kernel-source_8.29.6-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i fglrx-control_8.29.6-1_i386.deb'04:38
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: make sure you back up04:38
abattoirthompa: can you check if the bug is similar to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/66929 ?04:39
abattoirthompa: if it is, then it's a known bug and should be fixed for the release04:39
thompaabattoir: my first error was mp-bios bug 8254, whcih means its a multi=processor issue, then freeze at io scheduler04:39
thompaabattoir: thanks04:39
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lascarI have no sound on my computer; alsa does not appear to be a running process.  Help, anyone?04:39
maryenit finished without any errors?04:40
thompaall the other earlier versions installed, this time there is no workaround that works04:40
maryenok then 'sudo rm /usr/src/fglrx-kernel*.deb'04:40
Mandozno such file or directory04:40
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: everytime....and update&upgrade...one time forgot to do that...kinda borked adept for a while04:40
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: okay you here?04:40
maryenthats fine04:41
thompaabattoir: i think the problem is with the kernel anyway, its same on some other distros with 64 versions04:41
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: on the kubuntu install? and have irssi started as  screen irssi04:41
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:41
maryenok mandoz almost done04:41
Mandozcool :D04:41
abattoirthompa: oh ok, then it won't get fixed for edgy, i guess04:41
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin04:41
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server:  yeo I started a pm with you04:41
thompait should be patched anyway04:42
t3hwiz0rd-serverhmmm it didn't come to me04:42
maryen'sudo module-assistant prepare && sudo module-assistant update && sudo module-assistant build fglrx && sudo module-assistant install fglrx && sudo depmod -a'04:42
kkathmanoh wait04:42
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: did you pm T3hWiz0rd-server? lol04:42
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: lol04:42
maryenin konsole04:42
kkathmanyah byt I didnt identify..hold on04:42
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: we can do it here actually04:42
t3hwiz0rd-servermaybe other people will throw ideas in04:42
t3hwiz0rd-serverkeep it public04:42
t3hwiz0rd-serversince xorg seemed to of removed itself04:42
thompaits acpi that needs to fixed, i wonder if anyone with amd 64 duo core can install it, i doubt04:43
t3hwiz0rd-serverget out of your screen session by hitting Control a d04:43
t3hwiz0rd-serverto renter screen, type screen -r04:43
otaku-sanHawkwind: Hey why are there French sources in your source.list?04:43
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg04:43
Mandozand done04:43
thompaill just stick with 386 until final then try 64 again04:43
maryen'sudo aticonfig --initial && sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=xv04:44
Mandozthats it i believe right?04:44
Hawkwindotaku-san: What's wrong with having French sources ?  There are things I need/want in other sourcs04:44
maryensay goodbye and type 'sudo shutdown -r now'04:44
otaku-sanHawkwind: and other non-US sources...do they release stuff the US sources doesn't have?04:44
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Mandozbye bye everyone :D and thanks a million maryen!!04:45
Hawkwindotaku-san: Repos are repos. They can contain anything they want really.  Just depends on what that builder chooses to build04:45
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maryenbut yes, aside from a restart you're done04:45
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kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server: ok it installed but didnt write the config file as it says that its been customized04:46
otaku-sanHawkwind: hehehe nothing...I've just always wondered if they had something else...it's a question thats been nagging on me everytime I look at my source list...kinda cool actually...I'm going to include them in my new source list04:46
otaku-sanHawkwind: and you answered it04:46
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t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: hmmm okay.04:48
cellofellowHawkwing, you ever used kxdocker?04:48
Hawkwindcellofellow: I don't use KDE, sorry04:48
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: now, run the nvidia-glx-conf enable command04:48
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t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: then try to restart kde by doing sudo /et/init.d/kdm start04:48
cellofellowHawkwind: but your on kubuntu forum? are you just an any-buntu person?04:48
mandoand thanks to maryen.. xgl is up and running :D04:49
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Hawkwindcellofellow: I use E17 as my window manager.  I use Kubuntu because I prefer to see KDE over Gnome if I need to04:49
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: rule of thumb in linux is if you have a shell its not broken lol04:49
cellofellowHawkwind: aww, E17.04:49
t3hwiz0rd-serverif you lose shell, THEN you're screwed lol04:49
BonBonTheJonwhat anti-virus do people suggest04:50
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server: nvidia-glx-conf isnt found04:50
cellofellowBonBonTheJon: anti-virus?04:50
mandocant thank you enough maryen04:50
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx04:50
maryenmando: from now on, if you notice anything about the kernel updating or anything follow the method 2 steps from bash ati-driver... to 'sudo shutdown -r now' and that will fix it04:50
BonBonTheJoncellofellow: its for a windows machine, but I'm looking for free/open-source anti-virus04:50
maryennp mando04:51
mandocool then :D04:51
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server: did that... says its "at its latest version"04:51
cellofellowBonBonTheJon: oh, uh, i've never used open source AV, but Grisoft's AVG is great and free as in beer.04:51
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: its nvidia-glx-config enable04:51
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: my bad04:51
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BonBonTheJoncellofellow: yeah, thats my first idea04:51
maryenwant to try your wireless now?04:51
mandoyes please :D04:52
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maryenok first of all type iwconfig into konsole04:52
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: deb-src is for sources...wouldn't I want that?04:52
cellofellowBonBonTheJon: I don't see how an open source project could possibly maintain a good virus database. Unless they run totally on heuristic analysis...04:52
mandook and?04:52
maryenthere will be a list of names, lo, eth0, etc..04:52
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: only if you plan on compiling from source, most likely not04:53
maryen do any of them have anything beside 'no wireless extensions'?04:53
BonBonTheJoncellofellow: oh, I remembered...what about ClamAV04:53
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server: says "Not starting because KDE isnt the default display manager04:53
maryenif so tell me which one04:53
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: odd, did it install gnome?04:53
cellofellowBonBonTheJon: never tried it. supposed to be really good though.04:53
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: only time I compile is if I get it from a tar somewhere...never on adept04:53
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: well not adept....but you get my meaning04:54
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: probably can leave it out04:54
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)04:54
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: will do.04:54
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start04:54
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: maybe? lol04:54
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: if you need them, it is only the other lines changed to deb-src04:54
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kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server: should I do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?? even though I upgraded with gksudo update-manager -c -d ??04:55
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: true...true04:55
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: its worth a shot.04:55
maryenmando: what is your wireless network's name?04:55
kkathmanmethinks nalioth didnt realize I was in kubuntu desktop04:55
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: theres a chance its that you updated it to a ubuntu box and removed kubuntu lol04:55
cellofellowkkathman: I've read that aptitude is better at removing dependancies than apt-get. try sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop04:56
maryenmando: any wep keys?04:56
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: cellofellow's got a point04:56
maryenmando: any special settings?04:56
cellofellowkkathman: if you ever want to reinstall04:56
maryenthere doesn't seem to be anything wrong with your hardware04:56
mandoyeah i have a wep key04:56
mandoshared key04:57
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server:  that didnt work either04:57
maryenhave you set your system to use it properly?04:57
Xal2When identifying my root drive in grub, do I need to use hd for an SATA drive? or is it different?04:57
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server:  tried startx and still getting an NVIDIA error msg04:57
mandoi am not sure04:57
mandoi tried everything04:57
mandoits text.. something like : example1.04:57
mandoi use the wireless assistant and enter the wep key and still it doesnt work04:58
cellofellowkkathman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has never failed me on installing nvidia drivers04:58
maryentry disbling the wep key04:58
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kkathmancellofellow:  Im baffled on that tho04:58
kkathmancellofellow:  I launch it and I guess Im not putting in the right things04:59
maryenkkathman what version ubuntu you using?04:59
kkathmanI've been taking the defaults04:59
kkathmanmaryen  I tried to upgrade from dapper to edgy04:59
cellofellowkkathman: the program is pretty easy I think. just answer all the questions about screen type, and driver. I had to turn on kernel framebuffer to get hardware acceleration but that's my old card.04:59
mandook brb04:59
mandoi'll log in to the other network and disable the wep04:59
naliothkkathman: ?05:00
kkathmancellofellow:  well, when do I tell it to use the nvidia-glx driver then?05:00
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maryenkkathman: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-kernel* --purge and install the driver from the website05:00
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cellofellowkkathman: when it's configuring the card, it ways something about drivers, default is nv, right below it is nvidia, select that.05:00
ghosthi, is there a program for kubuntu to make iso images?05:00
kkathmanugh if I remove the nvidia it also removes xserver-xorg05:01
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cellofellowkkathman: what? that can't be right.05:01
kkathmancellofellow: I never get that...05:01
kkathmanok I'll try again05:01
maryenkkathman: it shouldn't do that05:01
maryenkkathman: post what it says in postbin please05:01
cellofellowkkathman: what card do you have?05:01
cellofellowjust reading online news. firefox 2 scheduled for Oct. 24th.05:03
maryencellofellow: the nvidia drivers in the repos are broken in edgy atm05:04
cellofellowkkathman's using edgy? I guess it's a little bit on the dge still.05:04
maryenya just a bit05:04
cellofellowthat's why I haven't upgraded yet. I've had enough problems with dapper, (my own fault usually.)05:05
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ghostanyone know if there is a program for kubuntu to make iso images?05:05
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maryenaside from having to manually install graphics drivers, edgy is more stable for me than dapper05:05
cellofellowghost: like a graphical program?05:06
Brydenn33whats the command to see what version of (k)ubuntu you are running?05:06
ghostnot necessarily graphical05:06
maryeni wouldn't know Brydenn3305:06
kkathmannope I never get any prompt in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to choose a driver05:07
Brydenn33well i'm pretty sure i upgraded to the new release05:07
maryenwhere did you get your install from?05:07
ghostgrowisofs is the command i heard talked about before, what would be the syntax i'd need to use there05:07
Brydenn33i just wanted to make sure05:07
cellofellowBrydenn33: dunno, uname -r shows the version of linux running. maybe uname has other options too.05:07
kkathmanwhich is why I keep saying there's something weird05:07
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Brydenn33cellofellow: that just shows the kernel version05:07
kkathmancellofellow:  btw I have a nvidia FX520005:07
maryenkkathman: did you try removing nvidia-kernel*05:07
Brydenn33kkathman: i have FX550005:08
mando_why is my nickname used lol05:08
xsachatry uname -a05:08
mando_withouth wep its working05:08
mando_i am actually connected now thu my wireless connection05:08
kkathmanmaryen:  I can try that again, but it removes xserver-xorg when I do05:08
kkathmanbut I'll do that again05:08
cellofellowBrydenn33: yeah, when I said linux I meant kernel, which is what linux really is.05:08
maryenmando_: strange, i thought wep would work with an opensource driver05:08
xsachaif you're in konversation: try /sysinfo05:08
Brydenn33hehe @ cellofellow ok :)05:08
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mando_but this cant be the case.. i have really annoying neighbours lol05:08
maryenkkathman: does it remove xserver-xorg-nvidia or something like that05:09
cellofellowkkathman: what DID you install?05:09
xsachamy wireless always connects to my neighbours my default because it has stronger signal than mine lol05:09
xsachaim too lazy to change it ;) free internet05:09
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t3hwiz0rd-servernalioth: X wont start for him for some reason05:09
xsachai have a download limit, they do not05:09
kkathmanmaryen: also it now says  (after typing sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx) it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop also05:10
kkathmanthat doesnt make sense to me at all05:10
maryenkkathman: dont do nvidia-glx05:10
mando_ok how to make it work with wep?05:10
cellofellowkkathman: aparently it's broken in edgy. edgy right?05:10
maryenkkathman: do 'sudo apt-get remove nvidia-kernel* --purge'05:10
maryenand let it do as it pleases05:10
kkathmanI dunno05:10
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maryenmando_: dunno, may still be a bug in wireless in linux05:11
Che-AnarchAnyone here do any development / translation?05:11
kkathmanmaryen:  dies that * count at the end??05:11
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maryenmando_: i hear wpa works, you may wanna try that05:11
mando_ok i guess ill have to live with it :(05:11
mando_will give it a try05:11
cellofellowstrange, first time I installed nvidia drivers I didn;t get the kernel modules, and second time xserver didn't configure, third time went straight to reconfigure xserver-xorg and worked like a charm.05:12
maryenthat or set up a mac filter so people cant leach you05:12
cellofellownvidia legacy actually05:12
maryencellofellow: you and kkathman's cards are considered legacy?05:12
cellofellownot his, mine though. tnt205:13
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mando_yeah that can work aswell05:13
kkathmanmaryen:  looks like its going to remove kubuntu-desktop, xorg and tons of things if I do that05:13
maryenhow many things exactly05:13
ubotuwebcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras05:13
maryenalso please copy and paste what it's saying into paste-bin05:13
cellofellowkkathman: maybe forget the purge? nvidia drivers don't really have config files to purge. xserver does though05:13
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Ahmuckmy video is to dark in kubuntu05:16
Ahmucki have an ati card05:16
maryengo to the display settings and adjust the gamma?05:17
Xal2I am having trouble reinstalling GRUB.05:17
Ahmuckin fedora i used xvattr or something (i forget what it was called) to lightent the settings05:17
Rakzor_AwayOr contrast.05:17
Xal2I am in the grub prompt on the live CD now.05:17
Ahmuckk, i will check the display settings05:17
Xal2I have mounted my linux root partition.05:17
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maryenok cellofellow i give up on kkathman, i've lost patience and theres other things i want to do05:18
maryenor well brb05:18
cellofellowwell, I think if it uninstalls xserver-xorg then it can reinstall and be clean05:19
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mandozis there a way to further optimize the kubuntu performance?05:20
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cellofellowmandoz: short of compiling the kernel?05:20
maryenback :p05:20
maryenkernel compilation is fun05:20
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maryenmore people should tinker with kernels05:20
Rakzor_AwaySure is...*sarcastic*05:20
mandoznooo.. thats way to advanced for me05:20
mandozi am feeling my pc is a little slower05:20
mandozperhaps the beryl update i made05:21
AsheDI have been having some problems with amarok reading tags, and I am told I may not have UTF-8 support or something on my system [I actually use Ubuntu though] , how can I check/remedy this?05:21
cellofellowmaryen: i'll mess with that later.05:21
maryenmandoz:  beryl etc makes everything slower at the moment05:21
maryenits best to not run it constantly05:21
cellofellowmandoz: it's better than Aero though. you read the requirements for Windows Vista. Ouch $$$$05:22
maryenyes but when it's finished it will run much faster and will require hardware a fraction of the strength of vista05:22
cellofellowmy computer is a little slow. sometimes I kill superkaramba to speed things up05:22
cellofellowmaryen: I know. my point exactly05:23
BonBonTheJonmandoz: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189192/05:23
Ahmuckgamma does not help05:23
maryenis this in kaffiene?05:23
otaku-sanBonBonTheJon: ack...it's still complaining....I seem to remember it did this when I first used this source list...just ignored it...I give up for now...I have to get off....sleep05:24
maryennevermind i don't wanna help anyone else today05:24
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: hows the work coming?05:24
BonBonTheJonotaku-san: ok, bye05:24
Ahmucknm, wrong monitor setting05:24
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BonBonTheJonXal2: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows05:27
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BonBonTheJonXal2: I think it tells how to fix grub, it should work for you05:28
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cellofellowthey took screenshot uploads off of the pastebin :-(05:28
maryeneh imageshack still works05:29
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Brydenn33god i'm soooooooooooooo tipsy right now lol05:29
Brydenn33glad i can at least type straight05:29
Brydenn33i blame this beer: http://www.widmer.com/beer_brokenhalo.aspx05:30
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dave_My mouse is spasstic in kubuntu?>!05:30
dave_laptop mouse!05:31
dave_IBM one05:31
Brydenn33that sucks dave05:31
Brydenn33how'd that happen?05:31
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.05:31
dave_well i installedit05:32
Xal2BonBonTheJon, I found that I needed to use the same drive Linux was on. Then it worked perfectly.05:32
dave_and thats what happened05:32
Brydenn33BonBonTheJon: you arent talking to me are you?05:32
BonBonTheJonBrydenn33: yes you05:32
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BonBonTheJonXal2: so is it working?05:32
Brydenn33what did i say that wasnt family friendly? everything i've said has been PG-1305:32
dave_need mouse help?05:33
Xal2Yeah, but by using the first drive originally, I screwed up my Windows boot so now I have to repeat this process05:33
BonBonTheJonXal2: good to hear you at least know what to do05:33
Xal2You said, "sucks."05:33
dave_need help!05:33
BonBonTheJondave_: what do you mean you installed it05:33
dave_"sucks" zomg?!05:33
Brydenn33Xal2: haha sucks? you gotta be kidding me lmfao05:33
dave_lol soz05:33
Xal2I figure that's why he got the warning, lol.05:33
Xal2I don't care.05:33
Brydenn33neither do i05:34
Brydenn33BonBonTheJon: is obviously a republican wacko05:34
BonBonTheJonBrydenn33: I do agree that would fly in a PG-13 movie05:34
dave_installed kubuntu, mouse went strange05:34
Brydenn33thanks BonBonTheJon05:34
Brydenn33we at least agree on 1 thing05:34
Brydenn33what does it do dave_05:34
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dave_jumps around the screen, opens random apps etc05:35
Brydenn33thats nuts05:35
Brydenn33brb gotta check on the salmon i'm cooking05:35
BonBonTheJondave_: do you mean a touchpad or a mouse05:35
dave_type of thing05:36
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maryenah, rebooting on edgy is so much better than dapper05:36
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BonBonTheJondave_: I have heard that there are some problems using touchpads (and trackpoint by inclusion, maybe?) in kubuntu05:36
dave_yeah, happens on other lappys too05:36
Brydenn33what version are you running btw dave_?05:37
maryenwhat kinda problems?05:37
Brydenn33you running 6.06?05:37
maryenim using touchpad atm and no problems05:37
Brydenn33thats strange05:38
dave_'tis, and on some PCs it doesnt even run at all05:38
dave_but thats not the main prob,05:38
dave_the mouse is05:38
maryendave_: perhaps try edgy?05:39
maryenedgy eft05:39
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule05:39
BonBonTheJonmaryen: good timing :)05:39
maryenits on RC1 right now, so its pretty stable05:39
maryenlol i know05:39
dave_ah, yeah i saw that05:39
cellofellowmaryen: yeah, whenever I shutdown usplash kind of disappears05:39
dave_but in australia, i only have 512k internet05:40
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VooXohi all05:40
cellofellowanybody know what an eft is?05:40
dave_so its annoying tod download05:40
maryenlets see if ubotu knows05:40
ubotueft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt or try !edgy05:40
rcarrAn electronic fund transfer05:40
maryenomg it does05:40
dave_Electronic Funds Transfer :P05:40
rcarrI WIN DAVE05:40
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cellofellowthere have poison skins05:40
maryenno i win05:40
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dave_btw my names shane05:40
rcarrNow I have the rights to your first born son!05:40
maryeni won through the powers of ubotu05:41
dave_well that might take, say 10-15 years...05:41
dave_(the son thing)05:41
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mynameisSHANEso any ideas?05:42
cellofellowkxdocker is cool, except these aliases to nothing in particular that don't go away: http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7563/kxdockerwi8.jpg:05:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about drake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:42
mynameisSHANEah well, dave wantsta do other things05:42
rcarrI was really hoping for ubuntu fuzzy ferret05:42
VooXoi have problems with starting live variant of my kubuntu 6.06 -- my mouse doesn't work and i need 800x600 resolution... what is the command for reconfiguring the x server?05:42
cellofellowdrake's a male duck05:42
mynameisSHANEDrake is a good linear amp!05:42
rcarrDrake is a dragon!05:42
rcarror a male duck05:42
mynameisSHANEor its a liunux thing... ~~~~05:43
rcarrVooXo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:43
cellofellowis 7.whatsit really Feisty Fawy?05:43
BonBonTheJoncellofellow: yeah, 7.04 is Feisty Fawn05:43
ubotufeisty is the codename for ubuntu 7.0405:43
VooXook... that's for the resolution... but, how do i set my mouse to be SERIAL and not PS/2, as it is by default?05:43
cellofellowinteresting codename05:44
rcarrIt will always be Fuzzy Ferret in my heart05:44
rcarrVooXo: err, i don't know anything about serial mice, but it would be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:44
rcarrVooXo: Open it with vim or nano or something http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse4.html05:45
rcarrVooxo: Provides useful documentation05:45
cellofellowVooXo: just do a sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when it asks about mice say it's a serial mouse and it works like a charm.05:45
cellofellowrcarr: Fuzzy Ferret?05:45
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rcarrrcarr: I was hoping that w*o uld bbe the name of Edgy+105:45
VooXobut i think it doesn't ask about mouse, at all... o_O as long as i remember...05:45
rcarrcellofellow: I was hoping that would be the name of Edgy+1, but it's Feisty Fawn05:46
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AsheDI have been having some problems with amarok reading tags, and I am told I may not have UTF-8 support or something on my system [I actually use Ubuntu though] , how can I check/remedy this?05:46
rcarrVooXo: You can open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit as mentioned: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse4.html05:46
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rcarrAsheD: I think ubuntu has had UTF-8 as default since...breezy badger05:46
cellofellowrcarr: seems to be going in alphabetical order now. dapper, edgy, feisty, what's next? giddy?05:46
AsheDrcarr:: then do you have a better explanation as why this doesn't work?05:47
rcarrCellofellow: Galvanizing Goat?05:47
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cellofellowrcarr: lol05:47
rcarrAshed: Not without any more specifics, but the UTF-8 thing seems unlikely05:47
cellofellowrcarr: doesn't work. gavanizing's a verb, and it's always an adjective05:47
rcarrCellofellow: Good point05:48
VooXoafter reconfiguring x server, how do i restart it?05:48
cellofellowrcarr: I would say Grumpy Goose but that's not really a good image.05:48
VooXowhat to do before "startx" command?05:48
AsheDbasically, I have my music named with what I believe to be ISO 8859-1 encoding [Ubuntu's character map on the "Latin" set] , and I used id3v2 to create tags for the music, but they don't show correctly in amarok, so there is a disconnect somewhere05:49
rcarrcellofellow: Grumpy Groundhog is the name of a permanently in development distro to be released at some point05:49
cellofellowVooXo: better to use kdm and go to terminal 705:49
rcarrcellofellow:It pulls source directly from revision control and compiles daily05:49
VooXocellofellow explain please05:49
rcarrcellofellow: Like an even more unstable debian sid05:49
t3hwiz0rd-servercellofellow: did kkathman get booted?05:49
cellofellowt3hwiz0rd-server: dunno05:49
rcarrVooXo: Run kdm --no-daemon rather than startx05:49
rcarrVooXo: Requires root privelages05:50
VooXook, but, will xserver be restarted?05:50
Brydenn33does anyone have a link or knowledge of exactly what the differences are between 6.06 and 6.10?05:50
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rcarrVooXo: Oh, it's already up?05:50
cellofellowVooXo: then go to vt:7 with ctrl+alt+F705:50
rcarrVooXo: If it was startted by the boot process05:50
rcarrVooXo: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart05:50
rcarrVooXo: If you started it with startx, sudo killall xorg05:50
cellofellowVooXo: that should work, what rcarr said05:50
rcarrAnd killall is safe in this situation! because I have never heard of a multiuser live cd!05:51
VooXothanks... :)05:51
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rcarrBefore someone yells at me for using sudo and killall05:51
cellofellowrcarr: used to use it all the time before figureing out /etc/init.d/05:51
cellofellowkkathman: good to go05:51
kkathmangood to go05:52
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kkathmanreally was simple after all05:52
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: does it work?05:52
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: yay!05:52
t3hwiz0rd-serverkkathman: hurray for irssi eh? lol05:52
cellofellowkkathman: you got some 3D hardware acceleration doing?05:52
cellofellowirssi saved me a lot05:52
VooXoone more question: anyone knows where can i find lucent modem drivers for this distro? o_O05:52
t3hwiz0rd-serverirssi  is gods gift to geek05:52
kkathmant3hwiz0rd-server:  actuall I called nalioth... he got it working05:52
Kyralt3hwiz0rd-server: no05:53
Kyralt3hwiz0rd-server: irssi + screen is :P05:53
christopherhi all, I just installed kuduntu, I'm just wondering why I can't ctrl+alt+F1-6 into terminals...don;t most linux distros let you do that?05:53
cellofellowwhat is "screen"05:53
ubotuscreen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen05:53
rcarrchristopher: Never heard of kubuntu not letting you do that05:53
cellofellowchristopher: works for me05:53
rcarrchristopher: did you select somethingg like "single user mode"05:53
christopherI just get a blank screen05:53
Kyral....why the fuck do they call it a "terminal multiplexer"05:53
rcarrKyral: Because that's what it is?05:53
kkathmankinda odd tho05:54
VooXorcarr lucent modem drivers...? o_O05:54
Brydenn33k guess i found my answer05:54
christopherrcarr, not sure05:54
kkathmanadept keeps saying there are updates05:54
Kyralchristopher: ahh, thats because the framebuffer for the terminals is using the same driver as the X Server05:54
rcarrVooXo: ?05:54
cellofellowdoes it make it so I can do more than one thing per virtual terminal?05:54
Kyralso they block each other (same thing happens to me on Arch occassionlly)05:54
kkathmanbut when it brings up 3 things...it says "no changes"05:54
Brydenn33for any who want to know the big differences between 6.06 and 6.10 here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta05:54
christopherKyral, how can I change the driver for the termianl?05:54
VooXorcarr do you know maybe where could i find lucent modem drivers for this 6.06 version of kubuntu...?05:55
christopherKyral, err, framebuffer05:55
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Kyralcellofellow: it also allows you to detach the Screen session from one terminal and reattach it to another05:55
rcarrVooXo: No, sorry, only suggestion is google05:55
Kyralchristopher: I usually just disable the FB\05:55
cellofellowKyral: wow. I thought konsole was powerful.05:55
christopherKyral, how can I do that under ubuntu?05:55
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KyralIrssi + Screen + SSH Server == AWESOMENESS05:55
VooXorcarr i can find some drivers for lucent, but almost all of them are for older kernels... any way to compile them under newer kernel?05:56
cellofellowKyral: wish X could do something like that, move app from vt:7 to SSH or something like that.05:56
Kyralrun Irssi in Screen on the server, then when you wanna talk on Irssi, SSH in and reattach the session to your terminal :P05:56
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rcarrNo, no automatic conversion, unless by older you mean older 2.6 series05:56
rcarrerr, that was for VooXo05:56
Kyralchristopher: I dunno..sorry05:56
christopherKyral, thank anyway05:56
VooXorcarr no, there are a lot ofr drivers for 2.4 kernels.. o_O05:57
cellofellowKyral: y'know if there's something like the detachement/reattachement thing in the works for X. maybe X12 (if it is even thought of)05:57
Kyralcellofellow: Nope don't know05:57
KyralVNC comes closest05:58
cellofellowIs there someone working on X12?05:58
cellofellowor is that XGL?05:58
KyralIts XOrg now05:58
cellofellownever mind, foot in mouth05:58
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rcarrCellofellow: Nice save05:59
cellofellowKyral: but I thought X.Org was the maintainers of the X11 system and protocols.05:59
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rcarrCellofellow: There are revisions of the standard, like R6 R7 etc05:59
rcarrcellofellow: They are, and the xorg server is the reference implementation05:59
cellofellowrcarr: I thought the revisions were something to do with xfree8606:00
rcarrcellofellow: Everyone uses it though, because the developoer of the other decent server xfree86 got all ass like and stuff06:00
ubahmapkIf I remember correctly, I think, technically, x.org was a fork, but X11 has been abandoned...06:00
rcarrubahmapk: no, X11 IS NOT A PROGRAM06:00
rcarrubahmapk: X11 is a protocol, like http06:00
rcarrubahmapk: XF86 and Xorg, implement X1106:00
ubahmapkrcarr: interesting06:00
rcarrubahmapk: And Xorg does revisions of X11, i.e. r4 r5 r606:00
ubahmapkrcarr: hadn't heard it like that before06:00
cellofellowso, is there an X12 is the works in the computer labs of some university somewhere or something?06:00
rcarrcellofellow: Not that I know of, just a new revision of X1106:01
rcarrcellofellow: There was never an X1/X2/X3/X4, etc06:01
cellofellowoh, well, wishful thinking06:01
rcarrSorry for the caps, it wasn't screaming06:01
rcarrjust emphasis06:01
cellofellowrcarr: I think I once heard of X9 and X1006:01
cellofellowrcarr: from the 80,s didn't last long06:01
Linux_Galoreyeah X11 is not a version number its just a name for a protocol06:01
maryenwho here owns a cat?06:02
rcarrI do!06:02
maryenaren't cats the greatest?06:02
rcarrcellofellow: I don't think so...X11 is pretty old itself06:02
cellofellowmy family has three cats. they kind of suck06:02
ubahmapkmaryen: dogs.  dogs are the greatest06:02
Linux_GaloreI like cats but they are off my list because of alergies06:02
DaSkreechcellofellow: Those were planes06:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about offtopi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:03
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!06:03
cellofellowrcarr: I'm pretty sure there was something on Wikipedia about X starting at 1 off of the really old W.06:03
maryenubahmapk: no! my dogs never came up to me and snuggled into me to go to sleep because they were lonely06:03
cellofellowDaSkreech: ok, ok06:03
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rcarrcellofellow: Wikipedia is infalliable! :p06:03
ubahmapkmaryen: however, my cat did give me a great laugh tonight when she tried to drink my coffee from this morning06:03
ubahmapkok, enough about cats06:03
cellofellowrcarr: was that sarcastic?06:03
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rcarrcellofellow: Yes06:04
DaSkreechubahmapk: say waht you want about them Just do it in O-T :-)06:04
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ubahmapkDaSkreech: right.06:04
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DaSkreechmaryen: Maybe but again talk about then in O-T06:04
rcarrcellofellow:I actually like wikipedia, just it frequently has sinaccurate stuff06:04
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cellofellowrcarr: yeah, I know06:04
DaSkreechI claim that word!06:04
maryenthems fighting words linux_galore06:04
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rcarrsine of accurate?06:05
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rcarrI typed that06:05
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Linux_Galorelets be honest cats or no more than a warm blooded parasitic organsim06:06
ubotuPlease don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines06:06
maryen>:( someones cruisin for a bruisin06:06
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Linux_Galorecats like "some" dogs specialise in a social relationship (fooling mugs) into handing them out food and housing as a survival mechanism06:07
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maryenLinux_Galore: not true, one of my cats grew really attached to another animal (dog) i took in for a couple of weeks, and when i gave him up, she started starving herself06:08
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maryenLinux_Galore: i had to force feed her for a week and a half before she would eat normally again06:08
Linux_Galoremaryen: so you then spend more time and money mangeing the animal, your such a sucker06:08
rcarrI think both of you are making the assumption06:09
rcarrthat a cat is capable of thought06:09
mrvw0169cat's aren't capable of thought?06:09
VooXo[a] can i compile modem drivers for 2.6.12, but on 2.6.15?06:09
maryenLinux_Galore: i care about said animal and have done so since i found her as a kitten06:09
Linux_Galoremaryen: your relationship with a parsitic mamal I find very boring06:10
Linux_Galoreparasitic *06:10
rcarrThis is way off topic now06:10
VooXo[a] rcarr can i compile modem drivers for 2.6.12, but on 2.6.15?06:10
DaSkreechYes it is06:10
Linux_GaloreI agree move on06:10
maryenLinux_Galore: strange, i could've sworn parasites don't refuse to eat, kinda results in em dieing06:10
rcarrMaryen: sudo cat /dev/food > /dev/cat06:10
rcarrLinux_Galore: sudo rm /dev/cat06:11
rcarrProblems solved06:11
rcarrVooXo[a] : Quite possibly06:11
maryencan't move, have one snuggled into me and sleeping :)06:11
DaSkreechmaryen: You can type /join #kubuntu-offtopic though06:11
rcarrmaryen: sudo mv /dev/cat /mnt/floor06:11
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VooXo[a] on site http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/Ubuntu/ there are packages with *.deb extension - what are those? o_O06:12
rcarrVooXo[a] : The packages used by apt, you can install them with sudo dpkg -i06:12
rcarrVooXo[a] : They come from debian, which ubuntu is based off06:12
VooXo[a] they're for 2.6.12 - can i install them on 2.6.15?06:12
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rcarrVooXo[a] : No, you need to get the source and compile them for 2.6.1506:13
rcarrVooXo[a] : Grab build-essential, and it should be a simple matter of make, make install06:14
VooXo[a] build-essential ?06:14
rcarrVooXo[a] : then sudo depmod -a, then modprobe the module name, you can add it to /etc/modules to modprobe at startup06:14
rcarrVooXo[a] : A package, i.e. sudo apt-get install build-essential06:14
rcarrVooXo[a] : It will grab gcc, the kernel headers (needed for compiling modules) etc06:15
rcarrVooXo[a] :  It is on the CD06:15
VooXo[a] i do that with the source or..?06:15
VooXo[a] ok, got it..06:15
VooXo[a] there are some sources for 2.6 with "alk" sign - what's "alk"06:16
VooXo[a] ?06:16
VooXo[a] there are alk 4,6,7,806:16
rcarrVooXo[a] : Can you link me to what you mean?06:17
VooXo[a] http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/   -what of those to download?06:17
rcarrnot...sure, try 8? (pure guess)06:19
VooXo[a] what's the difference between those alks?06:19
rcarrVooXo[a] : Not sure06:19
VooXo[a] ok, when i download it and extract it - what to do next? i need right commands coz i need to restart my pc and to run kubuntu...06:20
rcarrthere is probably an Install file you can read06:20
rcarrin the directory06:20
rcarrwith build-essential installed06:20
rcarrthen make install06:20
rcarrsudo make install06:21
rcarrthen sudo depmod -a06:21
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rcarrthen sudo modprobe modulename06:21
rcarrmodule name is probably ltmodem06:21
VooXo[a] k06:21
VooXo[a] so, there are probably binaries included?06:21
rcarrVooXo[a] : No06:22
VooXo[a] "build-essentials?06:22
rcarrVooXo[a] : I meant a text file, named install with instructions06:22
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VooXo[a] ok, ok...06:22
rcarrVooXo[a] : you install that with sudo apt-get install build-essential06:22
rcarrVooXo[a] : It contains a compiler, and the kernel headers that you need to compile drivers06:22
VooXo[a] ok06:22
rcarrVooXo[a] : You will need the CD in and stuff to do that, as you don't have internet06:22
VooXo[a] ok... thanks alot... i'm gonna go and restart pc...06:23
VooXo[a] good night ;)06:23
rcarrgood luck06:23
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codewritinfoolkubuntu is awesome06:23
maryenwe should be able to update our repos without superuser06:24
TheUniis there a tentative date for final release?06:25
TheUnioh wow06:25
TheUnitrying so hard to hold off till then, heh06:26
maryeni would say its safe to upgrade now06:26
maryen97% of the bugs should be out by RC06:26
TheUnionly thing i'm worried about is vmware06:26
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maryenespecially if they plan to have only one RC06:26
TheUniit still work ok?06:26
maryenwhat about it?06:26
rcarrmaryen: Why should you be able to update your repos without superuser :\06:26
maryenwell how can apt-get update hurt you06:27
maryenin the least06:27
rcarrmaryen: A malicious non super user could add some false dependency of a malicious package on his own repo to a valid package06:27
christophergah, what are the standard opengl libraries called in adept? if I search opengl I don't get them and gl give 1000000 options06:27
TheUnimaryen: because vmware isnt in the repos. i had to do a manual install. don't want to break vmware.06:27
maryenand then update your machine?06:27
rcarrwell, when you updated it as super user, or installed said package or whatever06:28
rcarrit's not so much that apt-get update can hurt you, as that the reason it has to run as06:28
maryenTheUni: vmware-player is in the repos06:28
TheUnimaryen: i use vmware server06:28
TheUniguess i dont have to though...06:28
rcarra superuser is because it modifies files that having everyone able to edit would not be so great06:28
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rcarrTheUni: Vmware server is fine for me in edgy and has bbeen for a month06:28
rcarrGah, keyboard is being wierd06:29
TheUnidoes player do everything that server does as far as running 1 instance?06:29
TheUnireally? rcarr: in the repos?06:29
maryenrcarr: wouldnt the same scenario be applicable with a person needing to sudo apt-get update?06:29
rcarrmaryen: Yes, but you don't give non trusted users the ability to sudo?06:29
maryenthey could still put a malicious dependency in and half the ubuntu community would upgrade it06:29
rcarrmaryen: No that's not what I meant06:29
rcarrmaryen: I meant in the local file on y our computer that stores dependencies and stuff06:30
rcarrmaryen: When you isntall a package it checks that, not the server06:30
maryenand how would update hurt that file06:30
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rcarrmaryen: Update has to modify the file06:30
maryenit justs checks the server lists06:30
rcarrmaryen: So if you let update ruun without root privelages, then the file has to be editable by a non root user06:30
maryenso, put it in a universal user level account06:31
thompagrub error 18 on sata at cold boot06:31
maryensuch as update06:31
thompai dont believe my hard drive is bad06:31
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thompathese asus boards built for HP are useless06:32
thompai can boot from usb though which is alright06:32
maryeni remember reading somewhere about troubles with early sata boards but i can't remember much about it06:33
thompawhy arent there any bios options on Hps06:33
thompamaryen: probably me06:33
DaSkreechmaryen: You want apt to keep the list for each user?06:33
maryenmore like keep the list in a place where anyone with user priveledges can reach it06:34
thompai physically broke one of the sata connecttors by accident06:34
thompathey suck, cant grip them06:34
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maryenlike an account named "update" that contains the updates list for all to see06:35
thompaand if you put in the second IDE drive you cant find the bios reset06:35
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thompait just does not boot into this sata drive with kubuntu if its been off a while which is weird06:36
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thompabut if its off a few secs its ok06:36
thompaI just have to leave it on i guess06:37
cellofellowKyral: now I see what you meen by screen being a geeks best friend06:37
maryenDaSkreech: why, is there something im missing that would put the user at great risk of exploits?06:37
DaSkreechmaryen: I'm just not seeing the point06:37
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toad_can someone help me with a little problem?06:38
maryenDaSkreech: well, it would be nicer to be able to see if your system has updates without having to enter a root password06:38
DaSkreechmaryen: I think it already does that06:38
DaSkreechLord knows I hardly update and adept_updater keeps telling me I have updates06:39
thompakubuntu-64 RC wont boot live, unless I do acpi=off, but then keyboard not work unless I get USB06:39
maryenadept_updater doesn't search for updates all that often for me06:39
maryeni often find it won't find em till i do a apt-get update06:40
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maryenbut then again updates are more important to me since im running a developmental version06:40
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bob0can you install any version of Photosop with wine?06:40
toad_Sometimes when i run a program the icon bounces then goes away. then if i run it again it works fine.06:40
kkathmani dont think so... check out frankscorner.org for wine details06:41
rcarrCS2 is reported to work bob006:41
cellofellow2yippeee! screen is SWEET. UNIX kills DOS so hard. KDE kills windows too.06:41
bob0i have CS i tried to install and it froze06:41
thompawhere is system disks gui thing?06:41
maryentry crossover office bob006:41
bob0maryen: whats that06:42
maryenits a branch of wine that deals with making productivity applications for windows work in linux06:42
thompacellofellow: you running the RC?06:42
cellofellow2does anybody know how to get Google's Picasa with Web Albums support for Linux? I can't find it anywhere.06:42
maryenits more likely to work than plain wine06:42
maryenbut it costs moneys06:43
cellofellow2wine for normal stuff, cedaga for games, crossover office for the likes of MS office and photoshop06:43
kkathmancellofellow2:  I used that on suse, and got it from the picasa website06:43
cellofellow2kkathman: I got mine from the picasa website, but there's no web albums button.06:43
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kkathmanohh, I have an older version I guess06:44
toad_Sometimes when i run a program the icon bounces then goes away. then if i run it again it works fine.  How can i fix it?06:44
kkathmancellofellow2  have you looked at flock??06:44
cellofellow2toad_: that happens to me too sometimes. grrrrr...06:44
maryentoad_: it means something went wrong with the program as it was loading06:45
cellofellow2kkathman: does it have Picasa web albums features?06:45
maryentoad_: to see what's going on, start the program from the cli06:45
kkathmantoad_:  sometimes, it means that the program is still running from a previous execution, try doing a ctrl-esc and look for the program, and if its running, kill it.06:45
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toad_ill give all those suggestions a shot. thanks everyone06:46
cellofellow2in my experience kdesu is the program that does that most06:46
kkathmancellofellow2 it was built into the version, but I hear its been enhanced recently06:46
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fignewwow... I never knew about ctrl+esc :)06:46
maryenneither did i, but i did know about ksysguard06:46
cellofellow2kkathman: I've never looked into Flock06:46
kkathmanflock.org I think...kinda interesting :)06:47
maryeneither way, a quicker way into it is always appreciated06:47
maryenis flock more than a sparkly firefox now?06:47
cellofellow2kkathman: I mostly use Firefox, konqueror sometimes,06:47
kkathmanyah ctrl-esc brings up the process table only of ksysguard06:47
cellofellow2whatya all think of iceweasel?06:48
kkathmancellofellow2 yah I typically use Opera for browsing, but must use Konq to view inline videos06:48
maryenits flock.com06:48
kkathmansorry... hehe06:48
cellofellow2I think iceweasel is a bunch of crap myself06:48
maryenif iceweasel's development outstrips firefox's, plus is compatible with firefox extensions, color me excited for it06:49
cellofellow2maryen: if it gets much different than firefox, extensions wont match,06:49
maryeni think they can find a way to keep the extension system compatible06:50
maryenplus its kinda crappy what mozilla corp. is doing06:50
cellofellow2maybe GNU and Debian will convince them to change06:51
thompai had to remove totem to get the radio stations to work06:51
maryendebian/ubuntu should be able to outfit old versions of firefox with the latest security patches even if mozilla doesnt release any.06:51
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thompaor maybe its a real player problem, but bbc wont work otherwise06:52
maryenits not fair that users of (for example) hoary, should have to watch as their ubuntu install slowly becomes more and more insecure06:53
cellofellow2well, the name IceWeasel. Ice is the opposite of fire, and weasels kind of like to take shiny things06:53
thompawhy dont they support linux06:53
thompaembedded player does not work unless you install real player06:53
maryencellofellow2: my understanding is iceweasel was originally a joke, and for some reason the community just took to it06:53
cellofellow2maryen: hope that's the case06:54
maryenthompa: why not mplayer with w32codecs installed06:54
ubotuCompiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems06:54
maryendon't use compiz, it's already been whipped by beryl06:54
thompamaryen: unless they fixed something it wont work06:55
thompathe only way is to install real player, then remove totem06:55
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thompaor otherway around06:55
bob0can someone tell me how to run an autoplay off a cd in wine?06:56
maryenif totem works, so should kaffiene06:56
maryenbob0: right-click the autoplay.exe and choose open with... and type wine?06:57
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bob0dosnt run it06:57
maryenwhy not use kaffiene instead thompa06:57
sheftHey, is it just me sourceforge doesnt work for?06:57
thompamaryen: real player embeded player warning06:57
thompamaryen: for example, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/innewmusicwetrust/stevelamacq/06:58
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thompamaryen: can you play that?06:58
maryengimme a sec06:58
thompain konqueror it wont work06:58
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:59
thompabut try it anyway , see what it says, it only works in firefox and real player i think06:59
thompaill try the codecs, but i  di dthat some months ago07:00
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maryenwhy not use the wmp broadcast in this instance07:01
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maryenok i can't get it to play in any situation07:04
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thompamaryen: its a bbc embedded player07:05
thompaonly works with real player i think, been that way for years07:06
thompabut they use linux too so i dont get it07:06
maryenthompa: the best ubuntu package solution it looks like you're gonna get is the helix-player plugin07:06
maryenhelix-player is a project related to real player07:08
thompaits same program07:08
thompathey have 64 version coming up07:08
maryeni thought helix-player was supposed to be open source07:08
thompait is I guess07:08
thompahelix was exactly same last i tried it07:09
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thompayou have to uninstall totem if your in ubuntu, or it wont work07:10
XalIs kernel 2.6.15 the latest precompiled kernel version for the current release of Kubuntu?07:10
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thompa2.6.17-10-generic on the RC07:11
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XalWhat is RC?07:12
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thompai think this is release candidate for kubuntu edgy07:12
Xaloh ok07:12
thompai installed ubuntu first though07:12
XalWould it be a bad idea to already upgrade to edgy?07:12
kkathmani did it today07:12
sheftHey, is it just me sourceforge doesnt work for?? only downloadlink i have there is Kent, and it  doesnt answer =(07:12
XalDoes everything still work right?07:13
thompaXal: dont know for sure07:13
kkathmanXal:  its in RC status07:13
XalSo it's near done07:13
kkathmanso that means...well. mostly its done with a few bug fixes07:13
XalI hope it's better than Microsoft's RC :p07:13
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thompai got issues with one my sata but its kernel related i think07:13
XalI wonder if edgy currently solves the jmicron problem07:14
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thompawhat was the next best thing after compiz?07:14
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XalTo upgrade, I just change dapper to edgy in my repos and do a full upgrade, correct?07:14
rawrnessbe very carefull xal......07:15
thompaXal: are you running amd64?07:15
maryenthompa: even set up correctly, helixplayer claims it can't read the stream and i need to use real player07:15
rawrnessi just screwd my whole system trying to update07:15
kkathmanI had a little trouble with the upgrade, but with some help, Im up and running just fine with edgy07:15
thompamaryen: so now you know07:15
Xalthompa, no07:15
thompamaryen: its been the same for a year07:15
XalI'll be running a conroe, but not with 64bit. There's not really a point to it at this time.07:16
maryenhelixplayer is just the dog of the realplayer creators07:16
thompamaybe real player own BBC or something07:16
thompawho knows07:16
XalWhen you said AMD64, were you referring to the x64-86 architecture?07:16
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thompaXal: are you running kubuntu-6407:17
Linux_GaloreBBC is owned by the UK gov07:17
Xalrawrness, be careful of what?07:17
Xalthompa, no07:17
XalIs there something I need to do prior to that?07:17
thompaXal: back up your data is all07:17
Linux_GaloreI download mp3's from the bbc all the time07:17
rawrnessXal:  that your repos are right :P07:17
maryendear god, the only thing helix player can play is ogg files07:17
Xalrawrness, haha, that could suck07:18
XalI'll triple check ^^07:18
rawrnessXal: I know07:18
maryenwhich every other media player on linux does, and does a better job of too07:18
rawrnessFrom expernice07:18
thompaXal: if your going to back up your data, but just reinstall07:18
thompatakes just as long07:18
sheftHey,  how do I turn of this beep sound when i press tab in the konsole?07:18
XalI'm not going to backup anything. I have a seperate partition for data07:18
XalIt makes things easier for me.07:18
XalOh yeah, do I run dist-upgrade or just upgrade?07:19
thompaXal: i do that and turn it off in bios even07:19
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rawrnessTryed to update , screwd system ,  tryed  ubuntu alternet install no  gui, dug around found kubuntu dapper alt. cd07:19
maryenand welcome to edgy Xal07:19
thompathat way i dont get the sata messed up07:19
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rawrnessIs not the offical release date for the edgy the 26?07:20
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule07:20
maryeniti is07:20
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule07:20
unix_infidelsounds about righto07:21
rawrnessPerhaps the cd will work better then07:21
thompathe 64 bit version wont boot07:21
thompaive tried for about 4 hours07:21
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thompamaybe they were bad cds , dont know07:22
greenmanbad cds, sure!!!!07:22
rawrnessthompa:  you try installing with cds?07:22
Xalmaryen, ^^07:22
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rawrnessi didn't get the alt x86 one work right either07:23
thomparawrness: the rc works fine here07:24
rawrnessthompa:  ahhh07:24
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rawrnessi had no fun though no gui :P07:24
thompai mean i386 , had no problems, but im on amd64 duo core, and want to run amd64.iso07:25
rawrnessjust rawrness login:07:25
greg_Could someone help with ndiswrapper problems?07:25
rawrnessperhaps il ask in edgy07:25
thomparawrness: maybe i dont notice mutch difference in amd64, but want to know its working07:25
thomparawrness: what was the error?07:26
rawrnessof course people like things to work07:26
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thompadid you try acpi=off07:26
rawrnessthompa:  just left me at a screen07:26
Fleebailey33can someone help me with mac-on-linux?07:26
XalTo run 64bit, is there more to it than a kernel change?07:26
ubotuacpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)07:26
thomparawrness: you were asking about that earlier07:27
thompaor was that someone else07:27
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rawrnesspehaps some one else07:27
thompadonload the ubuntu rc and reburn it07:27
thomparawrness: i had to format my hard drive and reboot07:28
kkathmananyone use the nvidia-glx in edgy right now?07:28
thompathen run gparted07:28
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rawrnessthank goodness for data partions07:29
thompaalso i had to disable sata controllers in bios07:29
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thompaif i disable sata grub wont go there07:30
thomparawrness: im thinking the older kubuntu-64 might work07:32
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thompaim pretty sire all the kernels all f'ed from 2.6.16 on up07:33
thompasomethings also worn with duo core and acpi07:34
thompa*wrong, but then it could be crap HP bios made for windows only07:34
thompasoon there will be no bios options07:35
rawrnessThat would suck..07:35
thompaand you will only get windos or macintoss07:35
rawrnessI have never played with Os   X.....07:36
thompabasically you have to replace motherboard in the HP amd64s07:37
rawrnessOr throw breaks at the office.07:37
thompai hate mac07:37
xsachathowmpa: just go back befor e2.6.16 :)07:37
thompaid rather use windows 9807:38
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rawrnessGag stupid amarok07:38
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rawrnessi thinks it tweaking cause i got my music in fat32....07:38
xsachayeah i tried out mac start of this year.. tiger.. a whole 4 gigs but nothing interested me07:38
thompakubuntu is best so far07:38
thompaeven of all the kde distros07:39
xsachai'm liking CRUX :) so far my favourite07:39
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thomparawrness: are you running compiz?07:40
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rawrnesslooks shiny though. this is a fresh install.07:40
rawrnessnot even a hour old07:40
xsachaew freespire, lol07:40
rawrnessfreespire is horid......07:41
xsachado you still have to pay for that OS?07:41
larson9999can someone tell me exactly how to do this: "NOTE: Remove ov511 driver's modules before installing ov51x!"07:41
rawrnessDidn't even give me sound. I was like WTF07:41
rawrnesslinspire is payed freespire is free.07:41
xsacharmmod ov511 larson9999  unless i misunderstood07:41
rawrnessand is horrid.07:42
xsachaoh yeah linespire is horrid as well though07:42
rawrnesspeple were like get a new sound card.07:42
xsachaLOL @ get a new sound card07:42
rawrnessi was like screw that07:42
larson9999xsacha, that's what i thought but i didn't know if it meant uninstall it totally07:42
MistaEDthe freespire default icons are pretty though, but are easy to obtain from kde-look.org for any other distro07:42
thompaalso linspire is actually on boxes for sale07:43
xsachajust make sure when you install it, it overwrites the old driver07:43
thompamicrocenters got them07:43
xsachait should do that -- does it for me07:43
MistaEDi seriously didn't mind it for newbies, except when i saw the easy to use CNR needed payment, that was a huge letdown more than anything07:43
thompathey had one linux box for like $29907:43
rawrnessI payed that for my emacine :P07:44
xsachathey havent patented CNR have they? lol07:44
thompait looked pretty good anyway07:44
MistaEDthompa: in order to get _free_ software you needed to pay for the CNR service07:44
larson9999xsacha, i don't know what's the deal.  ov51x shows in lsmod and my cam shows in usbview but nothing can recieve video from my cam07:44
kkathmananyone know what the default kernel version is fo edgy?07:44
rawrnessI liked the computers at this school i went  to today07:44
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MistaEDalthough you could get commercial stuff off CNR too, the "free software requires ongoing payment" idea is just silly07:45
rawrnessthey had nice little locks on the front for the cd/expansion bay07:45
xsachalarson9999: don't know either.. is it showing the right cam in usbview? exact same model?07:45
thomparawrness: wheres that07:46
kkathmanthompa: in the grub... that should point to vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-38607:46
larson9999MistaED, i heard they opened that cnr for freespire a few months ago07:47
thomparawrness: whre was the school07:47
MistaEDlarson9999: really? hmm07:47
larson9999MistaED, i read a blurb about it.07:47
rawrnessthompa: over in Mt.Vernon Wa.07:48
rawrnessthompa: I was some temped to do something like glue a kubuntu cd inside it.07:48
thomparawrness: oh, im setting up high school computer lab, only 4 computers though07:48
rawrnessthompa:  You don't trust me with superglue........07:48
larson9999i don't think i've met a computer a didn't like07:49
unix_infidellarson9999: try the apple newton :)07:49
rawrnessyes the old macs07:49
MistaEDhmm freespire is now on my "distros to try" list :P07:49
rawrnessthey  are evil.......07:49
unix_infidelMistaED: people with a "distro's to try list" usually dont have a "distro's i get something productive done with" list :)07:50
thomparawrness: are those the ones in schools there?07:50
xsachai have.. this old pentium 1. i tried to take out the NIC from inside the computer and woah... there was 3 layers of metals as the case. welded at each point. i had to use a crowbar to get it open just to take the NIC!!!07:50
rawrnessthompa: Nope these were shiney pentium 4s07:51
xsachait was built to survive a nuclear blast or something07:51
MistaEDunix_infidel: haha don't worry, my distro of choice is still ubuntu which i do do productive work on ;)07:51
rawrnessPRobly was.07:51
unix_infidelxsacha: yea, cases were super quality back then.07:51
xsachamy amiga didnt even have a case :P07:51
larson9999unix_infidel, what was so wrong with the newton?  it was just a little ahead of it's time07:52
unix_infidellian li still doesnt make cases like the 90's07:52
unix_infidelbut then again, computers back in the early 90's were close to 3 thousand for a decent model.07:52
larson9999i lugged an ps/2 case up from the basement this morning and thought i was going to get a hernia07:53
unix_infidellarson9999: i dont dwell in the past of computing.07:53
unix_infidelthere's really nothing to learn from it, only admire it as what was...07:53
larson9999unix_infidel, yeah, i spent 3 grand every 3 years all the way up until 2000 for a new computer.  just bought my first new one since then and it was $380 :)07:54
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xsachai paid $500 for each of my computers and still do :S next one due next year07:54
xsacha(not including monitor)07:54
unix_infidellarson9999: sound about right, p3 was some yummy home brewed goodness if you built yourself a p3 system to last.07:54
larson9999i paid more than $500 for my c64 with drive, etc07:54
unix_infideleg, 1.0ghz 512-1gb, 40-60GB HD07:55
xsachamy commodore was 2nd hand though lol07:55
rawrnessi think its hilrious  how off-topic everyone is.07:55
larson9999rawrness, i can't stand OT nazis07:55
unix_infidelrawrness: its not uncommon.07:55
xsachaso what do you all think about drizzle?07:55
rawrnessbtw i am not a nazi i spam all the time.07:56
larson9999rawrness, didn't say you were :)07:56
xsachabut you spam on topic07:56
rawrnessthe would be the equivlent of not spaming off-topic .....07:56
rawrnessthts horiable.07:57
thompagotta go take care07:57
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rawrnesswhat was the code for codecs again !w32codecs?07:58
larson9999starting to tick me off i can't get this webcam installed07:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:59
rawrnesssomething like that though.07:59
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rawrnessthat works07:59
rawrnessXD i don't see my mp3 player playing ogg files anytime soon:P08:02
rawrnessI don't play much at all anyways codecs it is :P08:02
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kkathmansorry md5sum08:05
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chimaerahi. i'm running kubuntu edgy on my powerbook (ppc, post feb05) and have serious problems with my touchpad. appletouch-driver is beeing used and configured according to innformation ound on the intterwebs, still, it's very choppy, pauses, jumps.. short: it behaves very erratic. any ideas on this?08:40
chimaeramhh, sry about the typos.08:40
NightBirdusb mouse?08:42
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NightBirdrawrness, watch out for the sharp corners08:43
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chimaeraNightBird: what kind of suggestion is that? and how does that helt getting the touchpad to work ^^08:44
rawrnessnight night08:44
NightBirdchimaera, I am rarely helpful08:44
chimaerai supose so.08:45
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RakzorAnyone know how to change the size of the desktop icons on Kubuntu?08:48
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max0does anyone know the channel for wine help?09:01
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greg_What's a good (known to "Just Work") out-of-the-box wireless network card to recommend to someone switching from winxp to Ubuntu?09:01
mac_i'm trying to install the new version of the ov511 driver.  it compiled ok and seems like part of it worked since "drivers/usb/media/ov511/ov511.c: Compression required with OV518...enabling" is only enabled in the new driver.  but later dmesg says "drivers/usb/media/ov511/ov511.c: v1.64 for Linux 2.5 : ov511 USB Camera Driver" which is the old version.  how do i get rid of the old version?09:02
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DHGEmax0: #winehq09:06
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Hobbseegreg_: anything with an atheros chipset09:06
greg_Okay, thank you.  I had heard ralink and tat's what I use but this is for my little brother and I wanna be sure it works for him!  :)09:08
DHGEgreg_: http://www.google.com/search?q=wireless+card+for+linux09:08
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DaSkreechrawrness: What don't you like about freespire?09:12
rawrnessthats what.09:13
arejayteewheres the wine folder located?09:13
max0can anyone help with wine problems in here?09:13
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.09:13
rawrnessbastard is a bad word......09:13
abattoirmax0: what's the problem?09:13
abattoirmax0: and i think someone suggest #winehq09:14
rawrnessi thought it meant a fatherless chield09:14
max0abattoir: no responce in there09:14
max0abattoir: im trying to install Photoshop CS2 on Kubuntu with Wine and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/21480809:14
rawrnessthus making a very screwed up kid with no fatherly guidence09:14
arejayteewell better questions where are applications folder stored under kubuntu?09:14
abattoirmax0: i don't think CS2 is supported09:14
max0it is09:15
abattoirarejaytee: mmm.. applications folder? the program sturcture in linux is different from that in windows09:15
abattoirarejaytee: binary prog. launchers are generally located in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin09:15
arejayteeyeah so there isnt a central location09:15
arejayteethats what i was after09:16
abattoirarejaytee: while libraries they use might be in /usr and /usr/share/applications is where other files might be located09:16
abattoirand depending on the application, there are other locations where files are put too, including configuration files09:16
abattoirmax0: hmm, are you sure? you read it somewhere?09:17
DaSkreechwine is proabaly located in ~/.wine09:17
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max0>> oops, its not09:17
abattoir*while libraries they use might be in /usr/lib09:20
greg_directory structure and file locatons I think is the hardest thing of all for new linux users to grasp09:22
mac_i'm getting closer.  got the driver installed and the apps say they're reading the right camera.  the only thing is they show solid black.  and dmesg now gives this: v2.32 : ov511 USB Camera Driver (V4L2 disabled).09:22
arejayteeyeah i would agree with that09:22
arejayteewell until i find out where things are then its quite easy lol09:23
mac_cs2?  i don't think that works09:23
RakzorAnyone know how to increase the resolution in Kubuntu?09:27
RakzorOr to just make everything smaller?09:27
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Zaireanyone in here know how to get apache and vsftpd to work with ssl for secure connections?09:28
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arejayteecan i run konqueror with sudo so i can view .** folders ?>09:29
arejayteenevermind found the option in konqueror09:30
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mac_it still puzzles me why linux folks don't use gimp instead... are there THAT many professional graphics artists that i meet 10 a day in irc?  reminds me back in the day when every 'girl' i talked to on the net was a part time lawyer/model09:31
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greg_photoshop isn't all pro graphic artists....it's a lot of myspace users too lol09:32
mac_or just use a system that photoshop supports09:32
RakzorI used Gimp to do myspace pics.09:32
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mac_greg_, yeah, but when i ask them why they just don't use gimp everyone of them tells me they can't because they're professional09:33
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rawrnessi like photoshop09:34
rawrnessits easy and shiney09:34
Fleebailey33anyone know about mac-on-linux09:34
Fleebailey33i need help with that09:34
rawrnessI use it for my animated .gifs09:34
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ZaireI use ulead for animated gifs and photoimpact for my other images I find it way easier then photoshop and that it has more options to09:36
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olalathis is a car09:36
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Zaireanyone in here know how to get apache and vsftpd to work with ssl for secure connections?09:38
dudehello guys09:38
sorush20I can not save to my home folder... I don't know what had happend guys09:38
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sorush20its been mounted as read only for some reason..09:39
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sorush20if it is mounted as read only then why are all my application settings loaded? and why can't I browse as readonly ?09:40
sorush20Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.09:40
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Zairecause by the sounds of it its more then being just mounted as read only so much as permissions altered so that you no longer have access to it09:41
sorush20Zaire: I dont' remember altering any permissions , the computer compeletly froze and crashed..09:42
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ZaireIve never heard of something like that just bad permissions..which Ive altered my permissions accidently a few times09:42
sorush20Well recently things have been happening to my computer which are unheard of like the cpu fan bracket breaking..09:43
sorush20I can view my home folder to in terminal or command prompt..09:43
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Zairesounds wierd and doesn't seem like anyones really on to help09:44
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sorush20TheGateKeeper: hi09:44
TheGateKeepermorning sorush2009:44
sorush20Morning ..09:45
sorush20howmuch do you pay for you broadband since I noticed you have blueyonder?09:45
TheGateKeeper17.99 / month why do you ask?09:46
Zairemines 21 a month right now with the deal I got but normally 45 a month09:47
Zairebut then mines 1 under a business level09:48
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sorush20TheGateKeeper: they have changed mine to 25 a month... cause I closed all other services.. like tv and phone..09:50
sorush20but I have looked on their site and it seems like the new prices are set to that level anyways..09:51
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sorush20gillesMM: hello09:51
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TheGateKeepersorush20: comes as no surprise one of their bizzare policies09:54
gillesMMI try 6.10 RC and I don't get connection at boot ... I need to lauch wlassistant and after dhcient .... even if /etc/netwotk/interface seems  fine09:54
arejayteeanyone got newsgroup access here?09:56
TheGateKeeperarejaytee: yes09:58
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sorush20arejaytee: did you manage to upgrade to kubuntu 3.5.510:00
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arejayteenah havent been bothered to do it yet lol10:01
arejayteeTheGateKeeper: nvrmind its naughty files lol10:02
arejayteeive just bought a Eten G500 and finding apps and so forth for it :)10:02
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pierretha va?10:10
gillesMMbut we are on english kubuntu here :)10:11
oliverbien, but i dont speak french10:11
pierrethI know.10:11
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gillesMMI have problem with Wifi here10:11
pierrethWhat's your time?10:11
gillesMMsince I upgraded10:11
greg_Je peux assez bien parler francais ;)10:11
gillesMM10;00 ap10:12
gillesMMnice greg_10:12
gillesMMwhere are you from pierreth ?10:12
pierrethand your from France?10:13
gillesMMsomething has changed in init .. the kubuntu try to lauch the connexion with a other mechanism ?10:13
gillesMMyes from Paris10:13
oliveri have a question (syncing two homes, one local, one on the lan), can so help ?10:13
pierrethi am working with gilles10:14
pierrethwhat is the hardware?10:14
gillesMMI am on hp pavillon DV 800010:14
gillesMMa nice laptop10:14
pierrethis it the first time with it?10:14
pierrethi mean the wifi10:15
gillesMMno before I didn't have problem10:15
pierrethwhat did you installed?10:15
gillesMMbut after an upgrade I lost connexion either with wifi and with ethernet10:15
pierrethcan you down grade?10:16
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gillesMMI choose to reinstall the last 6.10 RC10:16
gillesMMpierreth: I can use it now10:16
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pierreththis is RC10:16
pierrethYou should report the problem10:17
obf213how do i figure out wht version of firefox i have10:17
gillesMMbut I need to lauch wlassistant to see the wifi on and dhclient to have the connexion10:17
pierrethreport this on the dev mailling list of ubuntu10:17
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gillesMMI am not in the list10:19
TheGateKeeperobf213: Help --> About10:19
obf213ah ok10:20
obf213when is firefox 2 coming out10:20
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rawrnessin  2 days10:20
rawrnessits due for release the 24 i belive10:20
rawrnesswhile edgy is the 26 and will include it10:21
pc22any good CRM?10:21
SteelTi got a question concerning KPF10:22
Lynourepc22: depends on how you define good. There are plenty available, with different sets of features10:22
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SteelT"folder - folder options" "sharing"10:22
sorush20can anyone here help me please?10:24
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SteelTcould anyone help me please? i want to share with kde s new kpf tool10:25
sorush20 An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system. this is the error I keep getting any ideas.. I think I have recently upgraded to10:25
ubotukpf: public fileserver for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 188 kB, installed size 624 kB10:25
SteelTits located in every folfer, if u perform a rightclick and openn the attributes.dialogue10:25
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SteelTthx ubotu10:25
sorush20you can upload what to it?10:26
SteelTi got the problem i want to use and test it10:26
SteelTan im ehind a router10:26
SteelTcahnge settings to use kpf?10:27
SteelTor how could anybody find my shared object?10:27
sorush20maybe you could change settings in the router..10:27
SteelTsorush20: i selected a folder, and the applet said there was problem with zeroconf, but nevertheless server has been started10:28
sorush20well is you are sharing it as a samba share or nfs the will find it10:28
SteelThow can anyone now find my shared object?10:28
sorush20I don't think i ever needed to use zero config..10:29
SteelTi dont know what it is exactly10:29
SteelTtheres is the option "guard port" 800110:30
SteelTchange the port in it?10:30
SteelTnow its shared10:30
SteelThow can U download it?10:30
SteelThave i to look up my IP on myip.com or sth like that?10:30
sorush20SteelT: it think it would be best to ask #networking..10:31
sorush20SteelT: sorry couldn't help10:32
dudewhy is it xandros linux is not free?10:32
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sorush20dude: I dont' know . there is a free version out there but it  is not acitve..10:33
sorush20dude: I think you have to pay for it..10:33
sorush20not as active as ubuntu10:33
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dudesorush20: k tnx10:34
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sorush20dude: I tried it and didn't like it since it does not have an upto date set of package10:35
sorush20dude: aske the rest in #xandros10:35
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dudesorush20: so you have to buy the application, but looks cool10:40
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dudesorush20: so you have to buy the application, but it looks cool10:40
sorush20dude: its not cool.. it uses all the application that ubuntu users use...10:40
dudesorush20: ha?10:41
sorush20dude: and a customized wine....10:42
rawrnessdidn't xandros want people to pay to download isos?10:42
sorush20dude: don't pay for anything .. ask here first..10:42
dudesorush20: ohh10:42
sorush20rawrness: yes.. they did but there is a free iso out there..10:42
dudeok, actually, im plaaning to get one10:42
rawrnessi rember some one ranting about why they don't use it.10:43
sorush20dude: what is in xanderos that you need so bad..10:43
dudesorush20: in general, what can you say about xandros10:43
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TheGateKeeperhiya MilhousePunkRock10:43
sorush20dude: you can tell alot about a linux distro by looking at howmany users there are in there chat channels..10:43
MilhousePunkRockHey TheGateKeeper10:43
dudesorush20: ya, i noticed that10:44
MilhousePunkRocksorush20: That's a false assumption... Popularity says little about quality10:44
sorush20if empty then not poplular and support less if full the popular and more support not to metion much more ethical in its operation..10:44
sorush20MilhousePunkRock: are you refereing to windows.. a10:44
MilhousePunkRockHehe, that would be the prime example...10:45
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rawrnessi find it  not populatrity10:45
rawrnessbut people being forced to use   it.10:45
MilhousePunkRockEveryone has the choice to switch, most are too lazy10:46
sorush20MilhousePunkRock: not too lazy howmany computer shops have you seen seeling linux and howmany linux computer run windows games.?10:47
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sorush20without wine hassel..10:48
TheGateKeeperMilhousePunkRock: in order to switch to linux you would have to know about, it's surprising just how many people have never even heard of linux10:48
MilhousePunkRockIf your new computer comes with Windows, it's laziness if you keep it... It's kinda a forced standard...10:49
sorush20dude: the conclusion is don't by linux oss10:49
sorush20lindows is not even good either..10:50
TheGateKeepernot if you don't know there is an alternative...10:50
sorush20I was hoping to setup a linux society at uni.10:50
TheGateKeeperthe forced standard comes in that computer shops etc do not offer an alternative, that's where the fault lies!!10:51
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MilhousePunkRocksorush20: At every Uni here there already is one... Take the IT geeks, they _know_ about Linux...10:51
dudesorush20: ok, ill take your word, tnx10:51
sorush20Seveas: could you help me please.. I keep getting this error..  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.10:51
MilhousePunkRockTheGateKeeper: Shops don't sell it because Linux is free (with some exceptions)10:52
sorush20MilhousePunkRock: there is a website selling ubuntu ready computers.10:52
Seveassorush20, loads fine for me10:52
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TheGateKeeperMilhousePunkRock: not true again, it's because of commercial deals10:53
MilhousePunkRocksorush20: Yeah, about 20 websites worldwide vs a million stores selling Winblows PCs10:53
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MilhousePunkRockTheGateKeeper: Same with Intel and some electronic stores here, they give them really good prices if they do not offer AMD chips10:53
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sorush20MilhousePunkRock: maybe you would want to try to sell your own one day if you are in that field.10:54
TheGateKeeperMilhousePunkRock: exactly !!10:54
MilhousePunkRocksorush20: I am not in that field at all... I am not a big economy guy, I mean, I know how it works, but I don't like it...10:54
sorush20You could save  your customers lots of money on software..10:54
TheGateKeepersorush20: you can buy laptops with ubuntu pre-installed10:55
sorush20MilhousePunkRock: don't think anyone here in this room likes it either..10:55
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TheGateKeepercan't remember the web site10:55
MilhousePunkRocksorush20: I am not a communist though... ;-)10:55
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sorush20Seveas: could you change the topic so that people know where to by ubuntu ready computer... like a list of online stores... e.g. buy you ubuntu ready computers here www.listofsellers.ubuntu.com10:56
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MilhousePunkRocksorush20: Everyone that comes here either has *untu already or is interested in it...10:57
MilhousePunkRockThat's only a few steps from setting it up on any PC available...10:57
TheGateKeepersorush20: that would be giving free advertising to other commercial companies so that is not likely to happen10:58
sorush20MilhousePunkRock: well that would mean they that statement in the topic is targeting the people interested in it...10:58
zorglu_about on topic ... :)10:58
sorush20TheGateKeeper: but they are selling ubuntu what is the big deal..10:58
larson9999my 5 year old spends about 30 min to an hour a day video chatting with our inlaws in thailand.  this is the only thing he uses windows for and i'm checking out alternatives.  since her family isn't the techiest around i'd like to not make them stop using what they're used to: msn.  but it doesn't have voice.  have any of you used amsn or kopete for video while using skype for audio?10:58
zorglu_there is a offtopic channel which is very welcoming of those discussion10:59
TheGateKeepersorush20: *selling* that's the operative word!!10:59
sorush20TheGateKeeper: lets stop now..10:59
sorush20doens't kopete work larson999910:59
Brydenn33whats the command to remove a program i dont want?11:00
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sorush20Brydenn33: how was the program installed in the first place was it a .deb package11:00
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TheGateKeeperBrydenn33:  apt-get remove <package> or you could use aptitude11:00
Brydenn33sorush20: i guess so. I added a repository11:00
sorush20sudo apt-get remove package.deb11:01
Brydenn33it's a broken install11:01
Brydenn33and i want it gone11:01
Brydenn33it's the ntfs-3g program11:01
sorush20well you could do sudo apt-get install -f11:01
larson9999sorush20, not for voice11:01
Brydenn33what does that do sorush2011:02
sorush20Brydenn33: it fixes the last run of the installation..11:02
sorush20Brydenn33: what error do you get when you type in the command?11:02
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TheGateKeeperlarson9999: I use skype on windows, & in the wiki there are instructions of how to set up skype11:03
Brydenn33sweet i think that did it sorush2011:03
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Brydenn33said it removed it in the konsole11:03
TheGateKeeperlarson9999: I also have teamspeak working on kubuntu (at least I think it's working)11:04
sorush20Brydenn33: well that should be fixed then..11:04
Brydenn33yes, thank you :)11:04
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sorush20Brydenn33: np11:05
sorush20can anyone now help me with my problem?11:05
larson9999TheGateKeeper, i'm curious if you've used both kopete and skype at the same time.  one to transfer the video and the other for the audio.11:05
Brydenn33lol whats your problem sorush2011:06
sorush20 An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.11:06
sorush20what is the io-slave.. that is not working in my computer..11:06
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sorush20I don't have internet so I can't check what is the problem...11:07
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sorush20I only have the command line terminal to search the internet11:08
TheGateKeeperlarson9999: nope I haven't done that, I don't have skype setup on linux yet, (only windows & use it mainly with a work collegue), the person I want to talk to has not yet bothered to install skype on their pc :-(11:08
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sorush20there must be a really alternative to vid conferencing in linux.. Ithink gnome meeting was one..11:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gnomemeeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:09
larson9999TheGateKeeper, teamspeak  doesn't seem to be free.  is it?11:10
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TheGateKeeperlarson9999: well I didn't pay for it let me take another look...11:10
Brydenn33<sigh> who here has experience with ntfs-3g?11:11
Brydenn33i'm having issues with it11:11
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larson9999sorush20, yeah, gnomemeeting, now ekiga is an option but that would take FOREVER to setup with her parents.  have to change the firewall, etc.11:11
MilhousePunkRocklarson9999: TS is free money-wise, both client and server, but not GNU-wise11:11
larson9999sorush20, it might be the option we have to take though11:11
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sorush20what is ts?11:12
maryenteamspeak is freeeee11:12
larson9999oh, i just saw on their site they talk a lot about paying for it :)11:13
TheGateKeeperlarson9999: just agree to their bullshit & download & install http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads&id=2a11:13
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larson9999i think i'll stick with skype if we have to go that route11:14
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MilhousePunkRocklarson9999: That's probably for professionally hosted servers...11:14
maryenyou can set up your own server and its free11:14
TheGateKeeperlarson9999: well there is a nice wiki howto11:14
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maryenyou have to pay for using their servers11:15
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TheGateKeeperon skype that is11:15
larson9999yeah, to use their server.11:15
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maryenskype can only host 4 way max on conference, so it might not be the best if your looking for a gaming solution11:16
larson9999ait? what a horrible nick11:16
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maryeni think its a lovely name11:16
larson9999err ati11:16
maryenreminds me of my favorite vendor who refuses to open up the source for their drivers11:16
larson9999with the merger it might not be such a bad nick in time11:16
maryenopen source is a bad thing you know11:17
maryenwhen you open up source code, all sorts of trouble happens11:17
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maryenor so says the owner of the utorrent code11:17
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maryengod i hate that client11:18
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maryenthe spirit of ubuntu left this server11:19
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maryenwhy is this channel so dead!?! doesn't anyone need help at 4:20 in the morning ><11:20
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ubotuJoin us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk11:21
maryenhere i come england11:21
fdovingwhat do you need?11:21
maryenim bored11:21
maryenbreak your computer so i can try to help you fix it11:21
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fdovinggo to #ubuntu if you need someone to help :)11:22
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maryen; ;11:22
maryendamn gnome using hippies11:22
fdovingthere are also forums. ubuntuforums.org kubuntuforums.net11:23
hirlamany one can tell me how to manage fast text search among many files11:23
maryenforums arent as fun11:23
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maryenbeagle is good11:23
fdovinghirlam: you can use 'grep' from the commandline.11:23
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Lynouremaryen: There are probably many things in ubuntu itself you can try to help fixing... like kpilot syncing11:24
maryenim not a programmer11:24
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fdovinghirlam: 'grep word file1 file2 file3'11:24
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Lynouremaryen: hmm, might be so, but if you are bored, I have heard (and found) that learning programming helps :)11:25
fdovinghirlam: 'man grep' from the commandline to get more information.11:25
maryenbut working isn't as fun as complaining about being bored11:25
andhyhi, i have small question about kwalletmanager - in my kubuntu (dapper, and now egdy) kwalletmanager don't start autimaticly, runing manually store all password but after system restart (or kde sesion logout) it loose all of them - do you have any sugestion why ?11:26
Lynouremaryen: hmmm, I have never understood that. But I guess different people like different things :)11:26
fdovingandhy: if you restart kwalletmanager it doesn't have your passwords stored?11:26
maryenLynoure: actually, do you have a good fREE place to start for C++ programming?11:26
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andhyfdoving: yes11:27
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hirlamwhat is the different between grep , egrep rgrep11:27
maryenLynoure: since it is the language kde's programmers use most11:27
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Lynouremaryen: you mean tutorials and stuff? I'm not that much a C++ person, but I'll take a look11:27
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maryenLynoure: what language do you use then Lynoure?11:28
rehnHello! I tweaked /etc/default/acpi-support so that suspend using /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works on my edgy box. How do I configure the suspend procedure used by the suspend button in the logout dialog? (Part of Guidance power management?) Can I make it use /etc/acpi/sleep.sh or does it have its own configuration somewhere?11:28
Lynouremaryen: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ seems ok.11:28
Lynouremaryen: what I like most I do not use much... it's called Eiffel11:29
maryennever heard of it11:29
Lynouremaryen: It's a very pure object oriented language.11:30
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Lynouremaryen: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial.html has also a quite ok looking tutorial11:30
fdovingandhy: ouch. if you don't have any important passwords stored. (i figure you don't since they are forgotten every now and then) you can try to remove the kwallet configs. You can do that easily from the commandline (kmenu -> system -> konsole) with this command: 'find ~/.kde/ -name 'kwallet*'|grep -v icons|xargs rm -rfi'11:31
Brydenn33fdoving: whats up buddy11:33
TheGateKeepermaryen: C tends to be procedural where as c++ can either be procedural or object orientated11:33
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fdovinghi brydenn33.11:33
maryeni just lost your guide11:34
Brydenn33hey fdoving, do you know much about ntfs-3g?11:34
Brydenn33cuz i need your help with it :)11:34
maryenmy comp froze11:34
fdovingBrydenn33: no, i don't use ntfs for anything.11:34
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andhyfdoving: files removed - whats next ?11:34
fdovingandhy: start or restart your kwalletmanager11:35
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Brydenn33damn, well ntfs-3g is a read and WRITE app for ntfs partitions11:35
Brydenn33having problems with it working11:35
andhyfdoving: started - whats next ?11:35
fdovingandhy: save some passwords, quit kwalletmanager, and restart it, see if the passwords are present.11:36
andhyfdoving: ok - i'll test it11:36
fdovingBrydenn33: is that safe?11:36
Brydenn33well its in beta11:36
Brydenn33but lots of distro's are starting to use it11:36
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maryenim switching back to the nv driver11:37
maryenim tired of the beta nvidia driver crashing my comp11:38
maryenas rediculous as that sounds11:38
LynoureThe newest version says it's fixed11:38
maryennewest version of what?11:38
LynoureSo no harm switching back11:38
Lynourethe boc...11:39
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LynoureThe binary only driver, they have stuff about it on their forums11:39
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maryenthey havent changed it, they're lieing11:39
LynoureYou tested it?11:39
maryeni did a md5checksum on it11:39
maryenperfect match, and the one i had on my hard drive is at least a month old11:40
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andhyfdoving: i'll do it and ... still nothing; kwalletmanager is empty11:41
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maryenbrb restarting xorg11:41
fdovingandhy: weird.11:41
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Lynouremaryen: : 1.0-8776 is the one they claim they fixed, not 962511:42
andhyfdoving: i know; i use kubuntu on four different machines; and only on one kwallet don't like to work :(11:42
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fdovingandhy: what does 'ls -la ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet' return? result -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org11:43
davidenikgoodmorning guys !11:43
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Brydenn33ok fdoving i got an easy one for you to help me with hehe11:44
Brydenn33my windows partition isnt mounting right or something11:44
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andhyfdoving: -rw-r--r--  1 amikula amikula   60 2006-10-22 11:36 testit.kwl11:44
maryenok, that clenches it11:44
maryenim using nv from now on11:44
fdovingandhy: looks like your wallet is there.11:44
andhyfdoving: of course it is ... empty :)11:44
Lynouremaryen:: 1.0-8776 is the one they claim they fixed, not 9625, but of course I'm all for using open source drivers11:45
Brydenn33when i click on it it says: mntent: no final new like and the end of etc/mtab/ ... mount: only root can mount dev/hdb1 on /mnt/windows/11:45
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davidenikhi Hawkwind11:45
bloodcrawlerhello, what packages i need install t ouse openGL in games? ;)11:45
maryenLynoure: ah, well i tested the 9625 one so11:45
maryenLynoure: but nv is more stable, and is faster at drawing 2d in most cases than the proprietary driver11:46
andhyfdoving: if i run kwalletmanager from console i receive "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168"11:46
maryenLynoure: not to mention, for some reason, the proprietary driver is actually slowing my system as a whole down '.o11:47
Lynouremaryen: see above about open source drivers :)11:47
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maryeni know, i just like ranting11:47
andhyfdoving: but this is not to imprtant for proper working of kwallet11:48
fdovingandhy: That "Error" is just a warning, and it is normal, not related to this. I have no more ideas, report a bug about it. There might exit others with the same problem. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs11:48
Brydenn33fdoving: what about my error?11:48
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maryenfdoving: why does that error always show up when you open a x program from the console11:49
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andhyfdoving: ok11:49
fdovingBrydenn33: no final new line? are you sure it's mtab? not fstab?11:49
Brydenn33what i typed is everything in the box that popped up11:49
Brydenn33i can pastebin my fstab if you want11:50
Brydenn33and my mtab11:50
maryenwhy not use fuse bryden11:50
Brydenn33maryen: i have fuse installed11:50
maryennot that i know how that one works either11:50
maryenor better yet11:50
fdovingmaryen: because xorg.conf is setup to support some tablet-pc input devices. when they are not available, you get that error.11:50
matthiashi can anyone tell me how the suse package "kdepim3-sync" is named under kubuntu?11:50
maryenuse windows to move stuff11:50
Brydenn33screw windows hehe11:51
maryenwindows has ex3/reiserfs support with certain programs11:51
davidenikguys,sorry,has someone a creative cam?I'm trying to install it but i have problems.11:51
maryenand its alot safer than using experimental programs that can destroy a ntfs partition11:51
matthiasas long as i know windows hast only ext2 support with additional tools11:51
fdovingBrydenn33: just open kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' and go to the end of the last line. Press enter. Save and exit. You can do the same for /etc/mtab if you still experience the problem.11:51
maryennope, ext311:51
fdovingmatthias: what does the package provide?11:52
matthiascan you tell me the url of this programm?11:52
maryenive transferred files to my windows from my reiser parts and ext3 parts11:52
maryensure gimme a sec11:52
matthiasi think sync support for kdepim311:52
matthiasi need it for synCE11:52
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bloodcrawlerekhem... what i must instal with adept to use openGL? all glut's, glui, glx etc?11:53
maryenthere you go matthias11:53
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maryenproprietary driver for your video card11:54
fdovingmatthias: that could be any of the following: 'kitchensync ksync synce-kde' not sure what suse got in it's packages.11:54
brainlessgood morning everyone :)11:54
maryenhi sir brainless11:54
maryenim actually about to go to bed so i resent the fact you presume its morning for me11:55
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maryeneven though the sun is coming up through the windows11:55
DarkWizzardhello all11:55
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DarkWizzardafter a recent kde upgrade I lost sound of my tv tuner11:55
DarkWizzardit works but its very low11:55
brainlessI got kubuntu up and crawling yesterday ... well, I had the same issue when I tried gentoo so I suppose I know what I have to do to fix it =)11:56
maryenall the rest of the sound is fine?11:56
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DarkWizzardI know11:56
DarkWizzardI mean you can hear som11:56
DarkWizzardbut its really low11:56
maryendid the tv tuner program upgrade as well?11:56
denis_yo yo11:56
DarkWizzardit didn't11:56
DarkWizzardI use tvtime11:56
DarkWizzardtryed asking there11:57
DarkWizzardbut everybody is idle11:57
denis_can some1 tell me the easyest way to install ati drivers on kubuntu11:57
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto11:57
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maryendenis_: chain yourself to their office's front doors and demand OSS drivers11:58
brainlessmaryen: actually it's something around noon here so it's not even morning for me...11:58
brainlesshave a nice sleep then :)11:58
maryenactually i lied, im staying up another 2 hours11:59
denis_damn you11:59
denis_hm i need some games12:00
denis_ii dont know what to do during install12:00
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ubotuscorched3d: 3D artillery game similar to Scorched Earth. In component universe, is optional. Version 39.1+cvs20050929-2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 938 kB, installed size 2480 kB12:00
denis_i dont haved 3d12:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about frozenbubble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:00
fdovingget frozen-bubble12:00
ubotufrozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB12:00
maryenvery fun12:01
denis_apt-get is wotking now12:01
denis_I cant install anything12:01
Ace2016Hi all12:01
denis_i must wait hm um 3 hours12:01
Ace2016is there a way to look up package info?12:01
fdovingor you can get 'ksirtet' if you like tetris12:01
maryenshould've installed it before you started the ubuntu install12:01
fdovingAce2016: apt:/ in konqueror12:01
maryencancel it and install frozen-bubble12:01
denis_i am on half my way12:02
Ace2016wow thats so cool12:02
Ace2016fdoving: Thanks12:02
maryenhalfway and you have 3 hours?12:02
fdovingAce2016: you're welcome :)12:02
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denis_i need a lot of programs12:02
denis_ill probably go playing guitar12:03
denis_need some black metal12:03
rawrness-nigh night.......12:03
maryennite rawr12:03
denis_its morning here in slovenia12:04
larson9999crap! i stayed up all night again!12:04
hyperanyone can tell me where I can forward a port in kubuntu to my VmWare NAT machine?12:04
maryenme too12:04
denis_o almoust morning its 12.0112:04
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maryenits 5 am here12:04
maryenunhealthy sleep habits here i come12:04
rawrnesstech its morning12:04
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rawrnessand i have thouse unhealthihy sleep habits12:05
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denis_o here in slovenia is a nice day12:06
larson9999at least i got my camera working12:06
denis_ful of sun12:06
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denis_i loven being here12:06
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rawrnessnighty  nigh12:08
fdovingnite rawrness.12:08
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pielgrzymanybody could explain me why this fucking amarok stops in the middle of building a mysql collection? whitout ANY prompt :[[[[12:09
diabolo_nounoursI'm french12:09
diabolo_nounoursWhere is the french room ?12:09
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fdoving!language > pielgrzym12:09
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fr' - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:09
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.12:09
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diabolo_nounoursthx ubotu12:09
diabolo_nounoursthx fdoving12:10
fdovingyour welcome :)12:10
pielgrzymfdoving: I'm too frustrated to watch my language ;(12:10
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prophitgood morning everyone...12:10
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prophithaving a problem installing a java runtime environment12:10
denis_good morning12:10
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dumrquestion for op: /nick and /quit went down the bridge and /nick fell down. Who stays on bridge12:12
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fdovingpielgrzym: i suggest asking in #amarok i don't know much about amarok myself.12:13
pielgrzymfdoving: nobody knew the answer on #amarok :( is there any other as functional as amarok, using qt mp3 player??12:14
dumrhm for me amarok works fine12:14
fdovingpielgrzym: not that i'm aware of. amarok is the only that advanced atleast.12:14
dumrwhat does amarok when playing12:14
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pielgrzymfdoving: amarok seems to be like windows - lots of good features, but stability totally sucks :(12:15
maryenbanshee gets close but still not amarok12:15
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pielgrzymis banshee in repos?12:16
pielgrzymoooh damn, why this banshee is in gtk ;(12:18
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teledynmany apps i install are not showing up in menus12:22
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wickedpuppyteledyn, its normal12:24
teledynbut highly annoying?12:24
wickedpuppyteledyn, not to me12:25
wickedpuppyteledyn, you can add it yourself ..12:25
teledynto me it is a bug12:25
teledyni install an app.  i want it to be in the menu.  in debian, there was the 'debian' menu which was nice12:25
teledynactually was better than the kde one12:25
wickedpuppyteledyn, i have debian menu now12:25
wickedpuppyi don't know which app i installed to get this one though12:26
teledynis there a way to get it?12:26
wickedpuppythere is a way for sure12:26
wickedpuppywhich way ? i do not know12:26
teledyndpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu    <-- what is your output of that?12:26
wickedpuppybilly@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep men12:27
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wickedpuppybilly@wickedpuppy:~$ billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu12:27
wickedpuppyhmms ... first one for typo12:27
wickedpuppyanyway why bother ?12:27
wickedpuppyi been using linux for 7 years ... i never bother with menus ...12:28
teledynyou are missing a quote after '^i12:28
B-Minus_how can i install skype for kubuntu ?12:28
teledynjust cut and paste from what i wrote12:28
wickedpuppyteledyn, i copied from you12:28
teledynoops    dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i' | grep menu12:29
wickedpuppybilly@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu12:29
teledyntry the second one12:29
wickedpuppyhold on ..12:29
wickedpuppyi pasting on the pastebin12:29
toad_is there a simple way to get forward and back buttons working?  last 3 times i tried i broke X12:30
teledynwhich forward button?12:30
toad_on a mouse12:30
toad_mx518 if it helps12:30
wickedpuppythere you go teledyn , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27788/12:30
teledynthank you wickedpuppy12:31
Ace2016is it just me or are the repos slow?12:31
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teledynaha maybe it was your gnome-menus package.  i will try.12:32
teledynAce2016: try a mirror12:32
Ace2016teledyn: where can i find a list12:33
teledyni always like educational institutions since they usually have excellent backbone connections12:33
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teledynjust google for it: ubuntu mirrors12:33
teledyni think its linked off the ubuntu download page12:33
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teledynbtw. wickedpuppy, you can put that line in a script.  i named it 'list'.  it lists all installed packages.  very useful.12:35
wickedpuppyah k ... which line ?12:35
teledynCOLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i12:35
wickedpuppyoh okie ... thanks12:36
teledynjust put those 2 lines in a script.  name it whatever you like.  chmod +x  the file.12:36
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teledynthen put it in /usr/local/bin  or ~/bin if you have one12:36
wickedpuppyah k ... will try it .. thanks teledyn12:37
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rav3nif may ask! what was the prolem?12:37
teledynrav3n: i would like to get the 'debian' submenu which i used to have in debian.  the kde one sucks12:38
B-Minus_sometimes adept says a package will conflict with another package, but it still installs fine, do i need to worry about this ?12:38
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teledyni wish i could delete the kde one and only have the debian one12:38
rav3nwell, i don have much info abt that but i'll oogle for it now for you :)12:39
teledynB-Minus_: if the conflicting package is not installed on your system, its no problem12:39
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B-Minus_teledyn: ok, its in grey so i guess its not ?12:39
teledynB-Minus_: i only use apt/dselect/dpkg so i don't know about adept12:40
Ace2016teledyn: Thanks thats much better12:40
magicmikeHey y'all.12:40
magicmikeI downloaded a newsreader nzbpower-0.1.1.tar.bz2 to my desktop. Can someone give me info on how to install it? Thanks.12:43
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rav3nteledyn: sorry, couldn't find anythign useful for you...but does this cause you problems?12:46
teledynrav3n: i install apps and they do not appear in menus.  recent examples were  ding and wing (no joke, those are really the names!)12:47
teledynwickedpuppy says he has a debian menu somehow.  so something he installed must have created it12:47
teledyni guess i could be unlazy and create my own menu entries for items in question12:49
teledynstill, it bothers me that new apps don't automatically register with the kde menu system12:50
teledyneven if it lumped all non-kde apps into one submenu or something, that is preferable to nothing12:51
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rav3ni mean that you will see, debian submenu itself as a submenu of the K menu12:56
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teledynrav3n: yeah in debian at least the debian submenu always has all apps.  but i don't know how to get the debian one in kubuntu12:56
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teledynrav3n: its not frustrating either.  the debian menu is in my opinion the better one which i would always use12:57
Fudgehi is there a good speech pacakge for kde?12:59
fdovingteledyn: to get the debian menu (as a sub-menu of the kmenu) install the 'menu' package.12:59
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fdovingFudge: don't know how good it is, but you have 'kttsd'12:59
teledynah thanks!12:59
teledynthere it is!  i was wondering what package had the update-menus script01:00
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Jucato"kbuildsycoca --incremental" ?01:01
fdovingyes, that's a nice command too :)01:01
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fdovingbut it doesn't do the same :)01:01
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fdovingor, it does the same, but for another menu :)01:02
JucatoK Menu only, I presume?01:02
fdovingkbuildsycoca is for the kmenu, yes.01:02
teledynwhen i run kbuildsycoca --incremental  it says "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!"01:02
dude_jucato! fdoving! how are you guys . . .01:02
Jucatodude_: doing fine :)01:03
fdovinghi dude_, i'm fine, how are you?01:03
rav3nteledyn: Okay, good for you! for me i just fire in my apps in the "runcommand"01:03
Jucatoteledyn: that's just normal (and to be ignored)...01:03
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rav3nor just use Katapult...01:03
ElectrolyteWould an nVidia MX440 support composite in Kubuntu?01:03
rav3nyes it would01:03
teledynrav3n: yeah i love the Run Command kicker applet01:03
ElectrolyteThinking of swapping out my ATI X850XT and sticking in my MX440 for the eye-candy.01:03
Jucatorav3n: if the app doesn't display in the K Menu, Katapult won't be able to find it01:03
teledynrav3n: but if i didn't have a menu with them listed, eventually i'd forget what was installed01:04
dude_im cool01:04
rav3nyeah, you're right01:04
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xsachaMX440? :S i had that 6 years ago lol01:04
ElectrolyteIt's spare for my server.01:04
ElectrolyteBut I want to see how composite looks.01:04
Jucatorav3n: also, Katapult needs to be "refreshed" when a new app is added. (don't know if Katapult refreshes at intervals)01:04
ElectrolyteNever seen it "real time" before.01:04
ElectrolytePretty bad that ATI's fglrx driver doesn't support it.01:05
dude_jucato: have you tried  xandros01:05
Jucatodude_: nope01:05
xsachapretty bad that fglrx is 8MB and all the other drivers do more with only 200KB.. wonder what they have in there01:05
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dude_jucato: how about xubuntu?01:06
Jucatodude_: yes. just for a few days though01:06
Electrolytexsacha: That's ATI for you.01:06
Electrolytexsacha: The Vista ATI driver is over 70MB IIRC.01:06
rav3nJucato: nope it doesn't i guess u have to restart KDE in order to detect newly installed apps01:06
xsachaall my video cards are ATI, my last one was a 440MX that i chucked out 4 years ago01:07
rav3nFor me i never faced the problem of apps not showing in Submenu.01:07
xsachanvidia one* that is.. i wish i had one now01:07
ElectrolyteI won't be going with ATI any more due to poor Linux support.01:07
xsachame either01:07
ElectrolyteWhen I get my binary watch it's saving up for a 7800/7900.01:07
Jucatorav3n: about Katapult, I just found a way to "refresh" it manually. Alt+SPace, Ctrl+C (configure Katapult), then press OK01:07
rav3nXsacha: won't XGL work with Electrolyte's card??01:07
ElectrolyteI've tried to get it installed.01:08
ElectrolyteBut it fails.01:08
rav3nJucato : Cool!!01:08
ElectrolyteWell, XGL works, but compiz/beryl doesn't.01:08
xsachadont know, it will work with mine but it has a lot of trouble installing!!01:08
xsachai can get it on other distros and on live cds.. but try installing myself, god...01:08
Electrolytexsacha: I get trouble installing it.01:08
ElectrolyteLike I said, XGL works, but compiz fails to install (it breaks)01:08
xsachayeah my xgl works i just get an error when i run beryl01:09
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xsacha http://nanobin.nanosouffle.net/1776 if you want to check out the error -- so far no one has been able to think of a solution :(01:09
ElectrolyteThe error I get is trying to install compiz via atp.01:09
ElectrolyteIt says compiz-plugins breaks.01:10
rav3n Jucato: thanks dude...01:10
Jucatorav3n: no problem :)01:10
Jucatoit's a silly workaround, nonetheless :P01:10
ElectrolyteI might give XGL another try, but any ideas why Compiz won't install?01:11
rav3nwell, as long as i like it..it's not :P01:11
rav3nFor me i have a problem of all time...01:12
rav3nardware problem, My 5-in-1 media card reader doesn't work01:12
rav3neven when i did update-pciids01:13
rav3nit's texas instruments01:13
rav3ni heare dit's not yet supoorted01:13
rav3nsorry for mistyping01:14
ElectrolyteNow, when it comes to "sudo aptitude install compiz compiz-plugins csm cgwd cgwd-themes cgwd-themes-extra" - it doesn't work.01:15
Electrolytecompiz-plugins breaks when I try to install it.01:15
ElectrolyteShould I be installing something else than compiz?01:15
rav3nis it conflicting?01:15
xsachatry beryl01:15
Electrolytecompiz-plugins: Depends: compiz-core (>= but is to be installed.01:16
ElectrolyteDepends: csm (>= 0.5) which is a virtual package.01:16
ElectrolyteThat's the only errors I get.01:16
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rav3ntry "sudo aptitude install" i don know if it would resolve the issue01:17
ElectrolyteAlready using it.01:17
ElectrolyteBut it appears beryl works.01:18
rav3nnever used beryl is it better01:18
ElectrolyteIt's the newer version of compiz IIRC.01:18
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ElectrolyteBest go give it a try I suppose.01:20
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rav3nwell, maybe01:22
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xsachacan you choose lilo bootmanager in the GUI installer for kubuntu?01:27
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Jucatoxsacha: nope01:27
Jucatoit automatically installs GRUB in the mbr of hda. no questions asked01:28
dudejucato: what can you say about xubuntu?01:28
ubuntui just installed it.01:28
ubuntuit's lovely01:28
ubuntugood day01:28
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Jucatodude: hm... if you want something fast, but still need/want a desktop environment (not a plain window manager), it's the choice for you01:28
xsachacan run beryl in it? :)01:29
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xsachahttp://www.xfce-look.org/content/pre1/42755-1.jpg on xfce.. and im sure beryl fits in nicely01:31
denis_i need help01:31
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)01:33
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)01:34
dumr!ask debian toolbar for k menu01:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ask debian toolbar for k menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:35
softmasterare there temporary files that should be deleted on kubuntu?01:35
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Jucatodumr: it means, ask your question01:35
dumrits no use01:37
dumri just need the name of package01:37
pointwoodanyone know what the changes are to kopete in the latest release? I can't seem to see anything on the kopete website and nothing in the kde 3.5.5 changelog01:37
dumrif anyone knows01:37
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dumri am searching for debian menu in k menu01:37
dumrjust this01:37
dumri wont ask fucking bot01:37
dumrdo you know01:38
dumror just something to show every installed program on compute01:38
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silvaniais there a way to fix the USB random dying on my mouse?01:39
Jucatodumr: I'm not sure what the contents of the Debian menu should be. but to see every installed package in the computer, open up Adept Manger (K Menu -> System -> Adept) and change the filters (checkboxes) to show only installed packages. Take note that it will also show programs, libraries and other stuff as well01:40
kernomanhow do i remove a package that is broken? i have tried to install k3d (3d software) and it fails to install but i cant seem to remove it01:40
Lynouresilvania: depends on the cause. Is it truly random? Anything in the logs?01:40
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Jucatopointwood: found this through Google: http://www.mail-archive.com/kopete-devel@kde.org/msg04553.html01:41
softmasterare there temporary files that should be deleted on kubuntu?01:41
softmasterany help01:41
silvaniaLynoure: im pritty new to ubuntu / linux, but its working then its not - i unplug and plug it in again and it works again.01:42
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kernomanwhere does apt keep its list of installed or partially intalled software?01:42
silvaniaLynoure: I tried a PS/2 converter but its not working at start then.01:42
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Lynouresilvania: it might also be a problem with the hardware... possibly, not likely01:45
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silvaniaLynoure: worked fine for 4 months01:46
Lynouresilvania: check   dmesg  after it misbehaves01:46
silvaniaLynoure: but i recently installed ubuntu and thats where i cant get it to work01:46
silvaniait just did let me check01:46
rav3nark --help01:50
rav3nsorry folks :d01:50
rav3nwrong window01:50
rav3njust trying to backu my system using ark01:50
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silvaniaLynoure: http://www.yguild.com/error_log1.txt01:51
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dennisterg'morning all01:52
dennister|lostbyte|: r u wide awake and bushy-tailed?01:52
|lostbyte|dennister, Hai :)01:53
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dennisterhi :) were u looking for an audio format converter?01:53
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|lostbyte|dennister, nope.. why ?01:53
|lostbyte|dennister, i use ffmpeg and mencoder.01:54
dennistersomeone was...i found one, and I thought it was u who were looking01:54
dennisterffmpeg and mencoder will do conversions from m4a to mp3 or ogg?01:54
|lostbyte|dennister, what did you find ?01:54
Lynouresilvania: hmm, I cannot say straight away. wake up and lossage seem relevant01:55
dennistersomething called Pac, or "perl audio converter"01:55
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dennisterit does conversions from multiple audio and video formats01:55
Lynouresilvania: there are others with the same problem, maybe I can find you something01:56
|lostbyte|dennister, There is an mp32ogg program..01:56
|lostbyte|its in the repos.01:56
dennisterk, we have some m4a's i want to convert01:57
dennisterpac is supposed to be pretty good, but the documentation sux01:57
|lostbyte|dennister, ffmpeg does it too..01:57
dennisterk...i've got ffmpeg01:57
|lostbyte|dennister, Is pac that converter that showes on your right click in kde. ?01:58
silvaniaLynoure: yeah im browsing google on it, but it's like needle in haystack01:58
dennisteri just know sooner or later I'll want to do more conversions...it's supposed to do that01:58
dennisteri just can't seem to get it going, as usual :)01:58
Lynouresilvania: try googling for   ohci_hcd  IRQ INTR_SF lossage01:58
|lostbyte|dennister, right click on an audio file in konqueror..01:58
dennisterit's supposed to show up on pulldowns in konq and amarok, but it doesn't on mine01:59
|lostbyte|dennister, right-click > action > pac convertor > list of options..01:59
dennister...tried the right-sclick...pac doesn't show up under actions02:01
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Lynouresilvania: what brand/make is your mouse? have you tried with another mouse?02:01
dennisterbut the file did play after i hit properties :)02:01
dennisterwith player...i'd like it to work under amarok02:01
|lostbyte|dennister, sudo apt-get install pacpl02:01
dennisteri already did that, andgot all the dependences02:02
dennisterhave been reading the man page, the faq...02:02
silvaniaLynoure: i just have this one, its a Saitek - but should work without anything special02:02
dennisterdid some changes in the pacpl.conf file...02:03
silvaniaLynoure: my keyboard is usb aswell and never dies02:03
Lynouresilvania: do you by any chance have a AMD64 NForce3-based system?02:03
dennisternada...no joy02:03
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dennister|lostbyte|: ?02:05
silvaniaLynoure: I think NForce 402:05
|lostbyte|dennister, Then use ffmpeg.02:05
dennisteryeah...any quick usage tips?02:06
|lostbyte|dennister, cause i did try installing pac long back, and it showes on the menu.. but would'nt convert..02:06
silvaniaLynoure: Asus P5ND2-SLI Deluxe is the mother board02:06
Lynouresilvania: it seems that happens sometimes on those system and the fix is a bit hassle for a new user. Do you use Dapper or Edgy?02:06
|lostbyte|dennister, ffmpeg -i <inputfile>.<format_ext> <outputfile>.<format_ext>02:07
dudejucato: are you uisng bear ftp?02:07
silvaniaLynoure: dapper02:07
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Lynouresilvania: you can try going to bios and disabling ioapic02:08
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Lynouresilvania: That's what many people report to have helped02:09
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dennisterthx lostbyte...if u can't get pac working I'm sure i won't be able to at this point...it'll take me a little while to get to the right directory for the ffmpeg script02:09
dudejucato: why is it almost all of my application crashes02:10
silvaniaLynoure: I'll try, brb02:10
Lynouresilvania: good luck02:10
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|lostbyte|dennister, Or try a kde frontend "soundkonverter" //02:12
ubotusoundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.1.99+0.2beta2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 744 kB, installed size 1584 kB02:12
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dellubuntuhas anyone installed kubuntu 6.06tls on a dell 640002:13
dudewhat is signal 1102:13
dennister|lostbyte|: i will try it...i'd just heard pacpl was easier than soundkonverter...hah!02:14
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lugburzgerman  kubuntu room?02:15
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de02:15
hyperabattoir: you're here?02:15
lugburzich vergesse es immer wieder ;)02:16
hyperlugburz: keine Ursache02:16
|lostbyte|dude, Invalid memory reference02:16
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silvaniacould'nt find a setting for ioapic02:17
|lostbyte|dennister, there can be nothing easyer than kde apps :P02:17
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Lynouresilvania: sorry, that's all I found. The setting is probably there, possibly as I/O APCI, or possibly even as I/O Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller02:19
silvaniaLynoure: ill try look for a converter to PS/2, read that it helps02:20
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dennister|lostbyte|: got an error with the ffmpeg, but the file was created...and now pacpl shows up by right-clicking, too02:21
|lostbyte|dennister, what did you type ?02:21
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tomazppl, help here02:22
dennisterhold on: I'll give u the error message first: Unsupported codec (id=86018) for input stream #0.002:22
tomaz'could not find mime type application/octet-stream'02:22
Lynouresilvania: ok, I hope it gets solved for you.02:22
tomazthis error is popping up on the screen almost all the time02:23
dudelostbyte: what should i do?02:23
dennisterafter I typed: ffmpeg -i 02\ Hurt.m4a 02\ Hurt.mp302:23
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dennisterlol...and now m4a files are playing in amarok anyway...without any conversions02:25
|lostbyte|dennister, huh, i wonder. m4a is supported.. try renaming m4a to mp402:25
dennisteri'm not sure I need to now...the goal was to get them working in amarok, and they are02:26
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|lostbyte|dennister, m4a is actually mp4 with out video.02:26
|lostbyte|so dont worry :)02:26
dennisternow that is...amarok was crashing with Hurt.m4p before02:26
dennisterclassic song :)02:26
|lostbyte|i wonder why you want to convert to mp3 :P02:26
aumuellm4p? that's protected02:26
aumuellxine does not like that02:26
|lostbyte|Yeah, mp4 has protection..02:27
dennisteryeah, well, we paid for it02:27
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dennisterwe have a cd collection like u wouldn't believe02:27
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|lostbyte|aumuell, m4p ?02:28
aumuelldennister was talking about Hurt.m4p02:28
dennisterand I always meant m4a anyway..m4p was a typo on my part02:28
|lostbyte|-------> 02\ Hurt.m4a02:29
ElectrolyteI got Beryl working :D02:29
ElectrolyteIt's awesome!02:29
aumuellthat should not crash to xine engine02:29
dennisterwell, it was02:29
dennisterbut all's cool now02:29
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ElectrolyteOk, Linux looks better than Vista now.02:32
ElectrolyteWell, mine does.02:32
|lostbyte|Electrolyte, with xgl deffinitly.02:32
ElectrolyteYup, I have that running with Beryl :D02:32
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silvaniaokay so my next problem, how can i get "my user" to mount and access my NTFS drive?02:33
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castroaltimayou know I ran Vista and I was impressed it was alot better then XP02:33
silvaniaonly get "only root can mount"02:33
silvaniamicrosoft can't program, just look at the simplest program ever : Notepad, it's got lot of bugs on windows xp lol02:34
castroaltimavery true I agree, thats why I replace most of the proggrams it comes with02:34
silvaniaif you have wordwrap on it might save with a "newline" character on those wordwrap endings02:35
castroaltimausually with stand alone self sufficient programs, portables02:35
juliuseiner aus deutschland hier?02:35
castroaltimayeah been screwed by that before02:35
ElectrolyteDamn, I can't figure out how to configure Beryl though.02:35
juliushi i am from germany02:35
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castroaltimamodified perl script in wordpad and uploaded to webserver (linx) it blew up02:35
silvaniabut anyhow - does someone know how i can setup so that other uses than root can mount a drive?02:36
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jmichaelxin my file browsers. there is no shortcut to the hard drive containing my file system.... could anyone explain to me how to do this?02:36
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jmichaelxlet me restate that lol02:37
jmichaelxin my file browsers, there is no shortcut to the hard drive containing my file system.... could anyone explain to me how to create one?02:37
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castroaltimaHey silvania, You need to set the suid bit on the /usr/bin/smbmount, /usr/bin/smbclient, and /usr/bin/smbmnt, then you can use smbmount to mount Samba shares. Alternatively, you could set the suid bit on the /bin/mount command but that could open up other security problems.02:38
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silvaniacastroaltima: i used the guide on http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access to make it mount on startup but its not working.02:41
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ElectrolyteAnyone know how to change the fonts on the theme with xgl/beryl? It uses gnome themes IIRC.02:41
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castroaltimasilvania, what happens when you type "sudo mount"02:43
castroaltimano quotes02:43
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silvaniacastroaltima: does'nt list the ntfs drive ( /dev/sda1 )02:43
castroaltimawhat is going on the command mount is only accessable by root02:43
castroaltimaok i see02:44
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dude_why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11), what causing these error message?02:44
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silvaniacastroaltima: i can mount it with "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows/" but only access folder with root then02:44
castroaltimatry sudo mount /dev/sda1 /some/mounting/point02:44
castroaltimaok can you create another folder /ntfs02:45
castroaltimaand give that folder to the user02:45
castroaltimaand then mount it02:45
castroaltimaon that folder /ntfs02:45
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fdovingsilvania: is this a removable device?02:46
silvaniacastroaltima: no permission to access02:46
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Xaledgy doesn't like me.02:46
silvanialet me double check permissions02:46
fdovingXal: what's the problem?02:47
dude_fdoving: why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11-SIGSEGV), what causing these error message?02:47
XalThe xserver doesn't want to start up.02:47
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fdovingsilvania: i suggest, if this is not a removable device, to add '/dev/sda1' to the end of /etc/pmount.allow and just go to media:/ and doubleclick it.02:47
silvaniacastroaltima: soon as i mount the folder goes root - root, else its myuser - myuser02:47
castroaltimado a sudo chown and give that folder away to user02:47
castroaltimaok i see02:47
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XalI tried sudo startx, and I get a driver not found error, and an error that my kernel is too high a version02:47
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silvaniacastroaltima: only root can mount02:48
thompadisk and filesystem utility is awsome02:48
silvaniai mean fdoving02:49
fdovingsilvania: no, not if you do as i say.02:49
thompain system settings if you click advanced, there is the disk mounter gui02:49
thompai dont see in in ubuntu edgy only kde02:49
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silvaniafdoving:     /dev/sda1 is in /etc/pmount.allow at bottom, and its still giving "only root can mount"02:50
fdovingsilvania: if you add /dev/sda1 to /etc/pmount.allow all users allowed to mount removable devices (users in the 'lpadmin' group) are allowed to mount it.02:50
castroaltimayou try this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14248102:50
fdovingsilvania: try 'pmount /dev/sda1' from the commandline. (kmenu -> system -> konsole)02:50
serishemamy laptop has been overheating a lot lately and i'm wondering if there's a way to change power management settings to make this not happen.02:50
serishemai never had any problems with heat under windows.02:50
thompaserishema: are you running nvidia?02:51
zorglu_fdoving: im trying  to understand why my usb drives got sometime /dev/sda or sdb, is 'pmount' the name of the thing mounting the usb drive ?02:51
silvaniafdoving: mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/windows02:51
serishemathompa: no, i'm using an intel gma 915 chipset02:51
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fdovingsilvania: 'sudo umount -l /dev/sda1;pmount /dev/sda1'02:51
thompaserishema: are you running edgy rc?02:52
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serishemathompa: dapper02:52
thompasorry, i had a sony vaio that got hot02:52
silvaniafdoving: Windows did not shut down properly.  Try to mount volume in windows, shut down and try again.02:52
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thompabut only when opengl ran02:52
castroaltimasilvia: You will have to boot into your Windows OS and do a "chkdsk /f" (aka. scandisk) on the partiton that you are trying to mount. Currently, ntfsprogs can't check/fix the integrity of the partitions and will refuse to mount them if they are marked as dirty (ie. needing to be checked), so you'll have to do it from Windows.02:53
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silvaniacastroaltima: but why can i access it root mounting just fine?02:53
castroaltimafromt his thread, about mount ntfs http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14248102:53
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silvaniacastroaltima: thats the one i been following02:54
grotheskIs Edgy frozen?02:54
dude_fdoving: why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11-SIGSEGV), what causing these error message?02:54
silvaniacastroaltima: only way to access it is from root and that works fine to copy etc02:54
silvaniacastroaltima: soon as i try a user account, no access02:54
Xalthompa: You said you have edgy working fright now, right?02:55
omardoes anyone know how to solve the "arts sound server fatal error: CPU overloading, aborting" problem?02:55
fdovingdude_: can be lots of things.02:55
castroaltimanot quite sure at this point02:55
silvaniacastroaltima: ill just copy over the stuff i need and format it02:55
castroaltimahave you tryed booting into windows and chkdsk02:55
silvaniacastroaltima: windows is gone from system hehe02:56
castroaltimalol oh ok,02:56
TheGateKeepersilvania: you don't need to boot into windows use badblocks02:56
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TheGateKeepercastroaltima: bad advice!02:56
silvaniaTheGateKeeper: where can i get badblocks?02:57
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fdovingdude_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures for more info on how to debug.02:57
magicmikehawkwind: Between free and non-free which is best to install? Thanks.02:57
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TheGateKeepersilvania: you don't need to get it from anyware it's a cli command, open up konsol do badblocks - /dev/hda <--- assuming that is what your hdd is called02:58
castroaltimai think it comes as standard command02:58
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silvaniaTheGateKeeper: okay trying02:58
castroaltimaTheGateKeeper: does it work on ntfs drives?02:59
TheGateKeepersilvania: badblocks -v /dev/hda02:59
silvania>_< 293 049 666 blocks02:59
TheGateKeepercastroaltima: not sure about that02:59
TheGateKeepersilvania: what have we got here?02:59
silvaniadisk is 300g hehe02:59
dennisterk; amarok is crashing on m4a files again03:00
silvania"checking for bad blocks read only test03:00
swanflis there any way to set a default font size to view html messages?03:00
swanflin kmail that is03:00
flaccidfsck -cdvf /dev/hda103:00
TheGateKeepersilvania: how is your hdd made up, what partitions etc?03:00
flaccidman fsck.ext203:00
dennisternot on that one song i've been trying to convert, but others in the same album03:00
silvaniaTheGateKeeper: the windows one or? its just one big partition03:01
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TheGateKeepersilvania: you haven't installed linux?03:01
silvaniaTheGateKeeper: im in linux right now03:02
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TheGateKeepercat /etc/fstab & put it pastebin for me please03:03
dennisteri'm going to reboot ppl...perhaps that will solve some of my probs...and give me the login script I need to troubleshoot03:03
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dennisterbback soon03:03
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TheGateKeepersilvania: what exactly is the problem03:03
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silvaniaTheGateKeeper: i can only access my ntfs drive with root after mounting it with root, when i try a user im unable. if root mounts it im not able to access it with any user but root.03:04
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omarplease someone help me, I cant make sound work properly03:04
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omarI get an error saying: "sound server fatal error: cpu overload"03:05
silvaniaand pastebin.com not working to submit >_<03:05
XalHaha, I hosed my system, I think03:05
XalI'm just reading now that I had to install kubuntu-desktop before upgrading to edgy03:05
silvaniaTheGateKeeper: http://www.yguild.com/error_log1.txt03:05
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silvaniaTheGateKeeper: thats the fstab03:06
swanflwhile I'm using kmail, it's not obvious to me how to make it so messages that come to me in html format appear tiny and non html messages appear in the font I've selected in kde control panel. If I use CTRL key and mouse wheel up, it increases the size of the html messages but also the non html messages. How do I set a default size for html in kmail?03:07
swanflsorry for the last post03:07
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livingdaylightis there a Kubuntu equivalent to glabels?03:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about klabels - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:07
ubotuglabels: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.2-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 311 kB, installed size 980 kB03:07
livingdaylightis there a Kubuntu equivalent/version?03:08
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harmentalhi everybody....03:08
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harmentalany hints on how to upgrade to edgy?03:09
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freewillhow do i share files over the net work03:09
livingdaylightok, Guys! Please! what is the kubuntu equivalent of glabels if there is one03:10
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TheGateKeepersilvania: have you read this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&page=403:10
swanflharmental, upgrading Dapper -> Edgy is usally messy. better to do a clean install03:10
ElectrolyteDoes anyone know how to configure Emerald when using XGL & Beryl?03:10
harmentalswanfl: will it be smoother in the future?03:10
TheGateKeepersilvania: I have heard about this problem before but I am not exactly sure what the fix is03:11
silvaniaTheGateKeeper: i will just copy the  few things i need really from that drive and format it to ext3 instead03:11
swanflit should be but don't quote me :)03:11
TheGateKeepersilvania: ohhh ok :-)03:11
castroaltimasilvania: that might be a good idea, save your self some headache03:11
silvaniaTheGateKeeper: i can copy stuff from it with root in console03:11
silvaniaim moving 100% to linux anyhow03:12
castroaltimawell I am trying but keep having to do things in windows03:12
harmentalswanfl: i guess ill wait then...Thx!03:13
TheGateKeepersilvania: well if you are carefull you can also do: Run Command... kdesu konqueor if you want to use a gui but *be carefull*03:13
freewillany1 just simple files shairing??03:13
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de03:15
TheGateKeeperfreewill: what OS do these machines have on them?03:15
freewilltheres 3 myne has kubuntu 6.06 the other 1 also kubuntu 6.06 and the other one windows03:16
freewilli actualy just want to shair stuff for the linux 103:17
freewillbut i can't get smb working and i don't know of any other  way of shairing stuff03:17
TheGateKeeperfreewill: well as windows are involved probable best to use samba, you can set up the file sharing from system settings once samba is installed03:18
ubotusamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT03:18
TheGateKeeperfreewill: ^^^^^03:18
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cryptonic_could someone help me get realplayer working?03:20
aztunhi all03:20
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: how did you install it?03:20
aztunis there any good how-to to enable aixgl+compiz on kubuntu/edgy?03:20
cryptonic_i didnt yet03:20
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cryptonic_i have a .bin file03:20
cryptonic_cant find a .deb file03:21
aztuncryptonic_: maybe u can install realplayer using automatix03:21
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aztunits the easier way03:21
TheGateKeepercryptonic_: hang on...03:21
cryptonic_how do i install automatix?03:21
livingdaylightis there a Kubuntu equivalent to glabels?03:21
TheGateKeeperaztun: there is a much easier way & less risky...03:21
ubotuglabels: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.2-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 311 kB, installed size 980 kB03:22
livingdaylightis there a Kubuntu or kde equivalent03:22
freewillTheGateKeeper: just want to know what is the most common used file shairing for linux to linux03:22
TheGateKeeperwget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb03:22
TheGateKeepersudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb03:22
livingdaylightor is glabels the only cd label in LInux03:22
TheGateKeepercryptonic_: do that ^^^^03:22
livingdaylighti want to create nice cd labels in Linux03:22
TheGateKeeperfreewill: nfs03:23
ubotunfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.03:23
TheGateKeeperfreewill: ^^^^03:23
livingdaylightgeez...maybe my question is not technical enough03:23
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: don't use automatrix it will in all probability break your sysytem03:24
livingdaylightshould i ask a really technical question about samba?03:24
aztunis there any good how-to to enable aixgl+compiz on kubuntu edgy?03:24
aztunTheGateKeeper: automatix has never broken my system03:24
livingdaylightaztun: i have xgl+beryl03:24
livingdaylightaztun: to dyou use nvidia?03:24
aztunno livingdaylight03:25
cryptonic_thegatekeeper - you dont happen to know if theres a problem with nvidia's latest drivers cause i installed them yesterday and they broke my xserver, and everytime i booted i was in the terminqal03:25
aztunI have an intel 915 on my laptop03:25
livingdaylightaztun: that's too bad03:25
TheGateKeeperaztun: good you can answer all the questions from people where it HAS done, well volunteered lol03:25
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livingdaylightOK, Guys! i want to create nice cd labels using LInux, please tell me how?03:25
livingdaylightis glabels the only software in Ubuntu/LInux that creates cd labels03:26
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: I don't use games, can't be bothered with the potential agro, so I have never installed them, so sorry can't help you there03:26
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dennisterhi again pps03:26
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livingdaylighthas anyone here ever made cd labels using foss?03:27
livingdaylightTheGateKeeper: man, just tell me!03:27
dennisteras soon as i login and kde loads, i get a demand to run as root...apparently there's a nautilus script running that is fairly long, and ends with the d] phrase '--no-default-window'03:28
TheGateKeeperlivingdaylight:   haven't had to make labels03:28
cryptonic_thegatekeeper, that way of installing realplayer didnt work, in the gui .deb installer it had an error saying "wrong architecture i386" and in the terminal it said "E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known." ?03:28
dennisterhas anyone seen this b4, and more importantly: help me get rid of it?03:28
castroaltimacryptonic_: using latest nvidia driver with SuSE no problem03:28
TheGateKeepercryptonic_: ohhh what are you running? that will work on x8603:29
cryptonic_im using ubuntu edgy 64bit03:29
cryptonic_amd 64bit03:29
TheGateKeeperhmmm and you ran this from the konsol?03:30
TheGateKeepercryptonic_: hmmm and you ran this from the konsol?03:30
cryptonic_well i ran the konsol one too03:30
cryptonic_E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known." ?03:30
ubotusoundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.1.99+0.2beta2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 744 kB, installed size 1584 kB03:32
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about no-default-window - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:34
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BluesKajHowdy all ! :)03:34
dennisterhi BluesKaj03:34
cryptonic_the gatekeeper, tried your instructions in konsol again and got a new konsol error "03:34
cryptonic_dpkg: error processing realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb (--install):03:34
cryptonic_ package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)03:34
cryptonic_Errors were encountered while processing:03:34
cryptonic_ realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb03:34
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dennistercan someone help me with a nautilus login script: "--no-default-window'03:35
BluesKajhi dennister03:35
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dennisterthis occurs everytime i login to kde03:35
BluesKajhey root , change yer nick quick03:36
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: because you are running amd64 you might have some missing libs or something03:36
dennisteri shouldn't have to login as root the second I get into kde03:36
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: have you seen this before? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava03:37
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: howto install realplayer for your system is down at the bottom of the page of the URL I gave you03:39
dennister|lostbyte|: ? r u busy?03:39
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cryptonic_thx verry much thegatekeeper03:41
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: you winning?03:41
dennisterk...I'll fix kubuntu later...gonna try and reinstall another OS for abit03:41
cryptonic_dont know yet03:41
TheGateKeepercryptonic_: ok good luck, should get you to where you want to be03:42
cryptonic_i lost hope in the howtos cause the source list reposatories are always out of date and down03:42
TheGateKeepercryptonic_: you using edge?03:42
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bellotygood day everybody03:45
bellotyi am downloading linux for the first time kubuntu :)03:45
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bellotybut i was wondering where i can download extra cd with extra pacakges because i dont have internet at home03:46
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BluesKajcongrats belloty !...now the fun begins :)03:46
bellotythanks guys03:46
bellotyi know03:46
swanflfor those who noticed my kmail question, I found the answer: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5098303:46
bellotyi saw it at a friends house :)03:46
BluesKajno seriously it's fun setting stuff up and making it work03:47
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bellotybut BluesKaj is there an extra cd with pacakges i can download besides the one on the installation cd03:47
BluesKajstill in windows today cuz I'm burning a movie...haven't got devede24 quite configged properly yet03:48
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cryptonic_which path should i install realplayer too?03:48
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TheGateKeepercryptonic_: /opt is usually favourite I think03:49
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BluesKaja new kubuntu distro hits the scene om thursday, Edgy03:49
teledynbelloty: what part of the world are you in?03:49
Kyral/opt isn't touched by Apt03:49
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bellotyin holland03:49
Kyralso its safe to put "local" things there03:49
bellotyteledyn, i am in amsterdam03:49
Kyral(same with /usr/local)03:50
serishemahi, i'm having trouble with kpowersave03:50
teledynbelloty: there is no internet?03:50
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XalI'm having problems with Kubuntu at the moment. If I wait until the release date and attempt an upgrade again, should it all work alright?03:50
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serishemawhen i start it apparently causes the the xserver to crash and sends me back to the login window03:50
cryptonic_"Copying RealPlayer files...cannot find either hxplay or realplay--aborting setup!" :(03:50
Kyralso if I do compiles I tell them to install into either /opt or /usr/local03:50
bellotyyes there is internet teledyn, lol but i dont have it yet at home03:50
bellotyi moved 2 weeks ago03:50
BluesKajXal , I've been advised that a Dapper to Edgy upgrade should go smoothly03:50
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teledynbelloty: what about wifi nets?  maybe you could pick up one in your area03:51
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some0neI'm using Kubuntu Dapper AMD64. I would like to run Flash9. I hear about using nsulpginwrapper for a solution. Is there a guide somewhere for this or would someone be willing to help me?03:51
XalI just tried it, and it did not go smoothly. Apparently I forgot to download the kubuntu-desktop (metafile?) before upgrading.03:51
bellotynah, i dont think so, but thats why i asked if i can download an extra cd set for kubuntu03:51
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teledynbelloty: i'm in silicon valley, i guess that around here there are wifi nets all over the place.  maybe not as much in europe yet03:52
freewillTheGateKeeper; i followed the how to but if i try to mount the share i get the following: Error connecting to (Connection refused) ... SMB connection failed03:52
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TheGateKeepersome0ne: only info I have: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava03:52
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teledynbelloty: what about the free cd source mentioned in /topic ?03:53
some0neTheGateKeeper: Thank you that's exactly and all I'll need.03:53
TheGateKeeperfreewill: you been into system settings & set the share up?03:53
TheGateKeepersome0ne: np :-)03:53
freewillTheGateKeeper; nope its all grey there03:54
freewillTheGateKeeper; even when i am in su mode03:54
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some0neTheGateKeeper: Ugh what a kludge. I hate blobs. Damn adobe. I Googled and found a site with some basic uses for nspluginwrapper. It looks pretty straightforward.03:54
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TheGateKeepersome0ne: ok :-) had any experience with Realplayer & amd64?03:55
freewillTheGateKeeper; if i go to System Settings -> Sharing -> File Sharing then that is all grey03:55
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bellotyteledyn, well i have access to the internet where i am downloading the kubuntu installation cd03:56
bellotybut teledyn what i was thinking if there is an other cd wich i can download and burn with extra pacakges on it03:56
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bellotyi can download and burn form the very fast computer at my girlfriends house03:57
teledynbelloty: what about the source in /topic ?03:57
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TheGateKeeperfreewill: you clicked on administration mode bottom right hand corner?03:57
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freewillbut its still grey (this is the only menu in the whole system and setting that this happens)03:58
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TheGateKeeperfreewill: probable need to talk to someone who knows more about samba than me then, or have a good read of this: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/04:01
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some0neIf anyone in here can point me to a Debian package for nspluginwrapper on the AMD64 arch I'd appreciatet it.04:01
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freewillok thx btw is your menu grey there?04:02
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de04:02