[12:11] <Xal2> Wow, squashfs must really do a great job at compressing everything.
[12:11] <Hydra> ltmon, they all work with DMRAID, It's already known working, just support needs to be added to the INSTALLER ;)
[12:12] <Hydra> e.g. so we don't have to do all this nonsense that takes ages
[12:12] <Hydra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[12:12] <yacoob> is kubuntu going to be released together with ubuntu?
[12:12] <yacoob> edgy, I mean?
[12:12] <ltmon> Hydra: ah ok
[12:13] <ltmon> Hydra: it's just simple softwair raid then, or does it actually link up to the nvidia bios support in any way?
[12:13] <david_edmundson> yacoob: yeah, that's happened so far with each release
[12:13] <Hydra> it doesn't use the bios afaik
[12:13] <yacoob> david_edmundson, good ;> So, next week we should have kubuntu edgy?
[12:13] <david_edmundson> if all's on time
[12:14] <david_edmundson> nvidia driver appears to have broke recently though
[12:14] <yacoob> unless sky falls on our heads, yes ;>
[12:14] <test_> i am trying to save the grub menu.lst but i dont have write access. how do i save it as root?
[12:14] <david_edmundson> test_: save it as a different name where you do have access then move it as root
[12:16] <snottlebocket> hey guys
[12:16] <Hydra> david_edmundson, should i really be chatting to the ubuntu guys about fakeraid support btw?
[12:17] <david_edmundson> possibly, it's a bit busier
[12:17] <david_edmundson> and it's desktop independant
[12:17] <ltmon> Hydra: you should probably file a feature request for the next release... doubtful any such major change will go into edgy
[12:17] <Hydra> ltmon, 1 sec...
[12:17] <test_> david_edmundson: how do i login as root and move it?
[12:17] <Hydra> hahaha
[12:17] <Hydra> lol
[12:17] <Hydra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidSpec
[12:17] <Hydra> someone filed one in JANUARY!
[12:19] <ltmon> Hydra: it's not on the discussion list for the next distro meeting (https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv/) although I'm not sure how to get it there
[12:19] <test_> how do i move a file?
[12:19] <shadowhywind> how can i extract a 7z (7zip) file?
[12:19] <Hydra> hmm
[12:19] <Hydra> let me check that out
[12:19] <brainless> test_: mv <file> <destination>
[12:19] <brainless> (in a shell, that is)
[12:19] <david_edmundson> with the word sudo in front
[12:19] <david_edmundson> brainless: can you take over, I'm off to bed.
[12:20] <david_edmundson> night all!
[12:20] <brainless> sorry, I just popped in ;) sure
[12:20] <Hydra> i'd go to that meeting if i lived in the states
[12:20] <brainless> just give me a moment to read the original question...
[12:20] <Hydra> they need poking in the right direction
[12:21] <ltmon> test_: obligitary caution: modifying the grub menu.lst may leave your installation a bit broken (but recoverable usually).... be careful ;)
[12:21] <Hydra> i wonder how many people have tried ubuntu or kubunutu and just given up because it wouldn't detect their hard drives correctly..
[12:22] <test_> how do i kill job 1
[12:22] <Hydra> btw, it's the same situation with windows vista and nforce3 and nforce4, but in that case it's nvidia that have to write drivers rather than some random person required to update the installer in this case
[12:22] <ltmon> test_: that sounds dangerous
[12:22] <test_> lol
[12:22] <brainless> Hydra: I'm fighting the desktop-CD-installer atm and if I hadn't used other distros before I'd already given up...
[12:22] <ltmon> test_: but.... "sudo kill 1"
[12:22] <test_> oo
[12:22] <test_> :D
[12:22] <test_> ltmon: its still in jobs
[12:23] <Tarantulafudge> Is there a sensor monitor for kde? I can't find ksensors in the repository
[12:23] <test_> sudo isnt necessary im logged in as root
[12:23] <ltmon> test_: try "kill -9 1"
[12:23] <david_edmundson> Tarantulafudge: look into lmsensores
[12:23] <david_edmundson> *lmsensors
[12:23] <ltmon> test_: i'll know it works if you go offline ;)
[12:23] <Hydra> well my download of edgy eft 6.10 rc5 is 80% now
[12:23] <test_> omfg
[12:23] <Tarantulafudge> david_edmundson: I know about lm_sensors but ksensors was supposed to be a gui for that
[12:23] <Hydra> so I'm gonna try it on my nforce3 box shortly
[12:23] <david_edmundson> it's a gui frontend
[12:24] <david_edmundson> it still requires all of lm_sensors working, it just takes the results and makes a pretty graph out of it
[12:24] <Hydra> all i wanna do is do some cross-compiling to get openwrt installed on my ar7 based router...
[12:24] <melhisedek> when is Edgy stated for release?
[12:24] <Hydra> *sigh*
[12:24] <OOD> melhisedek: oct 26
[12:24] <Hydra> i'm sure i should just go out and buy a new router instead of going to all this trouble...
[12:25] <TheGateKeeper> !schedule
[12:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[12:25] <Hydra> wait no!  that's not the right attitutde
[12:25] <TheGateKeeper> melhisedek: ^^^^
[12:25] <melhisedek> thx folks
[12:25] <TheGateKeeper> np :-)
[12:25] <Hydra> still, time is money and if i was working for 20 and hour sorting out new firmware on my existing router would cost me about 200
[12:25] <Hydra> and i know i can get a nice router for that much ;)
[12:26] <danny> can anyone help me with an Xorg problem?
[12:26] <danny> i've just upgraded to edgy, but I think there is a version mismatch with the display driver
[12:26] <ltmon> danny: which driver?
[12:26] <danny> "trident"
[12:26] <danny> "vga" and "dummy" also don't work
[12:27] <david_edmundson> danny what do the xorg logs say
[12:27] <david_edmundson> (tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:27] <ltmon> danny: not much experience with those myself :(
[12:28] <david_edmundson>  /may/ need root
[12:29] <danny> module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[12:29] <danny> it says the display driver is compiled for 6.99
[12:29] <danny> obviously edgy is 7.1
[12:29] <david_edmundson> that's the problem then, the module ABI majoy doesn't match the server version! -obviosuly
[12:29] <david_edmundson> and with that I really am off to bed.
[12:30] <danny> sure, but these drivers are from the edgy repo
[12:33] <Rakzor> Heh, Hello, anyone know how long it should take to install kubuntu on a 40Gb hdd?
[12:34] <marc_> Rak...maybe 30 - 40 minutes.....not including the Updates after the install.
[12:35] <marc_> opps..That's for Ubuntu....not sure about Kubuntu...
[12:36] <Rakzor> It won't be the same?
[12:36] <marc_> COuld be...I don;t know...is what I'm saying.
[12:36] <Rakzor> Ah
[12:36] <jende_> Rakzor: what are you trying to do?
[12:37] <Rakzor> Trying to install Kubuntu 6.01.6 on a 40Gb hard drive.
[12:37] <jende_> Rakzor: so whats the prob?
[12:37] <Rakzor> No prob, just it's been a while and I don't know if it normally takes this long or if somethin went wrong.
[12:37] <cellofellow> Rakzor: you sure you got that version number right?
[12:38] <Rakzor> No, but it's 6. somethin.
[12:38] <jende_> cellofellow: wouldn't say so
[12:38] <jende_> Rakzor: it sure can take quite a while depending whether you're out of the box connected to the internet, i.e.
[12:38] <cellofellow> Rakzor: just say Dapper Drake or dapper, easier than 6.06.1
[12:39] <Rakzor> Ah, ok.
[12:39] <danny> ok, i've fixed the problem by removing xserver-xorg-driver-trident and installing xserver-xorg-video-trident
[12:40] <ltmon> danny: looks like they changed the package names for edgy... a dirty trick :(
[12:40] <jende_> Rakzor: if you got connected to the net a lot of updates and upgrades will be installed and that'll take some time...so no worries
[12:40] <Rakzor> Oh ok
[12:40] <Rakzor> Thanks =)
[12:41] <jende_> Rakzor: so thats your first linux/Kubuntu Box?
[12:41] <Rakzor> Yeah, I've tried live cd's before, but this is the first time of installing anything.
[12:41] <danny> ltmon: sure is :)
[12:42] <danny> anyway, thanks and goodnight
[12:42] <jende_> Rakzor: everything should be fine...do you need anythng special such as the ability to play mp3's?
[12:42] <Rakzor> That'd be nice, but I'm not sure how.
[12:43] <Rakzor> And can Kubuntu play .wav?
[12:43] <jende_> Rakzor: I'll be around for at leats another hour...are you a registered user?
[12:43] <Rakzor> No
[12:44] <jende_> Rakzor: okay, so I'll check more often then to see if I can guide you to get the lil specials installed.
[12:44] <jende_> Rakzor: look thats all we can
[12:44] <jende_> !wav
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <jende_> !mp3
[12:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:44] <ltmon> jende_: here's a url describing some of the issues... in short it's not very hard to get mp3s and wmv etc. etc .working properly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[12:44] <Rakzor> Oo thanks
[12:45] <jende_> ltmon: I know all these howtos...but thanks anyway
[12:45] <jende_> ltmon: what about a simple apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:45] <jende_> ltmon: sure...having universe multiverse enabled
[12:45] <ltmon> jende_: should be fine for most thinks
[12:46] <ltmon> jende_: most *things
[12:46] <jende_> ltmon: I'm not kinda that new to linux...;-) thats why offered my hekp to Rakzor
[12:46] <jende_> ltmon: I'm not kinda that new to linux...;-) thats why offered my help to Rakzor
[12:46] <ltmon> jende_: i htink i got cofused between the two of you :)
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: s'ok
[12:47] <brainless> anyways, I'm off for tonight ... bye
[12:47] <jende_> ltmon: *ggg* you can get easily confused on IRC's
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: forgot who asked the question in the first place :}
[12:47] <jende_> ltmon: are you on edgy?
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: yep
[12:47] <ltmon> jende_: since yesterday
[12:48] <jende_> ltmon: isn't it a beauty...hmmm...
[12:48] <jende_> ltmon: I'm on edgy now since almost 2wks and its just...yummie
[12:48] <ltmon> jende_: yeah... suspend and resume is working much quicker, and I could remove my sound hacks and still have a working volume control :)
[12:48] <Rakzor> Um, is it bad if Kubuntu failed to make a swap space, or can I just use ram?
[12:48] <jende_> ltmon: and it boots much quicker
[12:49] <ltmon> jende_: i've only booted it once :)
[12:49] <ltmon> jende_: suspend is rock solid for me now... i don't need to power off
[12:49] <jende_> Rakzor: well Kubuntu should have a swap partition, which should be twice as big as your RAM is
[12:50] <Rakzor> Jende: What if it failes, can I still install?
[12:50] <jende_> ltmon: don't know where you live but power here is damn expensive, so I power off all machines at nightt
[12:51] <ltmon> jende_: mine just stays on battery (recharge at work).... but the amount of power it draws if fairly small anyway.  I live in Melbourne, AU.... i think power is cheap compared to most of the rest of the world
[12:51] <jende_> Rakzor: puuuuh...good question...as yet I hadn't had to try to install without a swap. How come that you don'####t have a swap partition?
[12:51] <jende_> ltmon: i Used to live in canowindra, 2804 NSW
[12:52] <Rakzor> jende_: Well it says it was making one but then it failed.
[12:52] <jende_> Rakzor: it failed? really? remember the exact output?
[12:53] <Rakzor> jende_: No, it just said it failed to make a swap, and on the install window it says "partition #5 of /dev/hda as swap"
[12:53] <ltmon> Rakzor: I'm pretty sure it will still boot, but crash hard if you fill your RAM...
[12:53] <Rakzor> And "partition #1 of /dev/hda as ext3"
[12:54] <jende_> Rakzor: weird, but it should work
[12:54] <Rakzor> jende_: thanks.
[12:55] <jende_> ltmon: power is in aussie much cheaper than it is here in Germany
[12:55] <jende_> ltmon: wanna go back ...to Aussie I loved it
[12:55] <ltmon> jende_: ah ok... so's petrol... i guess we don't know our luck most of the time :)
[12:55] <ltmon> jende_: although water here is getting a bit scarse, so maybe not
[12:56] <jende_> ltmon: damn petrol in Aussie was 4times cheaper/ltr
[12:56] <jende_> ltmon: we were ath time being there on water restrictions...tough but okay
[12:56] <ltmon> jende_: petrol is ~ $1:30 per litre now... approx 1 euro
[12:57] <jende_> ltmon: 100Euros = 160 AUS$
[12:58] <ltmon> jende_: exchange rate sucks here also :)
[12:58] <jende_> ltmon: we are going to be on 1.5Euros
[12:58] <jende_> unleaded 95
[12:58] <ltmon> jende_: what about diesel? EU has lots of better diesel cars than we get...
[12:58] <jende_> unleaded 97 is almost on 1,8Euros
[12:59] <jende_> ltmon: diesel is about 1.42/ltr
[12:59] <ltmon> jende_: what hardware are you running edgy on
[01:00] <jende_> ltmon: a HP Kayak PIII-550 with 512megs and a AMD Sempron3000
[01:01] <ltmon> jende_: that a laptop or desktop?
[01:01] <jende_> ltmon: with 512 megs <-thats my Notebook,
[01:01] <jende_> the sempron is my NB
[01:02] <jende_> ltmon: another is on Debian etch, also a HP Kayak
[01:02] <amayera> hi
[01:02] <jende_> ltmon: what are you doi ng for a living in Mel?
[01:02] <amayera> anybody here using edgy eft?
[01:02] <jende_> amayera: howdy
[01:03] <amayera> can anybody try to register a jabber account with kopete?
[01:03] <jende_> amayera: sure...
[01:03] <amayera> here it doesn't work.
[01:03] <ltmon> jende_: software engineer with a web dev company
[01:03] <jende_> amayera: nope, I don't like jabber
[01:03] <ltmon> amayera: i've got a google talk account registered
[01:03] <amayera> oh, I got the problem.
[01:03] <ltmon> jende_: what about yourself
[01:03] <jende_> ltmon: nice...send me carton melbourne bitter
[01:03] <amayera> the jabber id is not only the thing in front of the @ but also the thing thereafter :D
[01:04] <ltmon> jende_: :P you come from the country with the best beer in the world and you want *that*
[01:04] <jende_> jende_: selfemployed ... I do the administration of some Networks, basically Linux(Debian) Servers
[01:05] <jende_> ltmon: I do miss it...especially a cooooooooool schooner of tooheys, off the tab
[01:05] <ltmon> jende_: damn... i guess you did live in NSW (worst... beer... ever)
[01:06] <jende_> ltmon: just waiting for a nice offer in Aussie and I'll be gone
[01:06] <ltmon> jende_: cascade lager and coopers are the best you can get in AU
[01:06] <ltmon> jende_: it's a good job market here in Melbourne and also in Perth right now.... plenty on offer but most places will require a face to face interview
[01:06] <cryptonic> Im having issues with the nvidia driver, how do i revert back to the default kubuntu one?
[01:06] <jende_> ltmon: well, cascade is indeed...yumm,yumm, yummie...but yep you were right hard to get in villages like canowindra
[01:07] <jende_> ltmon: I wouldn't mind jumping on a plane for a lil holiday, though...but I have to finish first that one one project I'm working on
[01:08] <jende_> ltmon: canowindra is close o Dubbo or Orange
[01:08] <jende_> ltmon: canowindra is close to Dubbo or Orange
[01:08] <rockz> do anyone use mandvd ?
[01:08] <jende_> ltmon: and they would take immigrants?
[01:10] <ltmon> jende_: yes and no... they have to be sure you'll be able to stay for a reasonable period (and not be kicked out by the Government)... so you need a working visa at very least
[01:11] <jende_> ltmon: but the working visa you'll get once the company would kinda like apply for it, too...not really as a sponsor, but sort of. Is vanstone still the head of the DIMIA?
[01:12] <ltmon> jende_: yep
[01:12] <jende_> ltmon: do you like her?
[01:12] <ltmon> jende_: bit of a chicken and egg problem with the visa i think
[01:12] <ltmon> jende_: not much of a fan of the current government full stop
[01:12] <jende_> ltmon: I know that just to good...it took us ages to get my working visa for 2yrs
[01:13] <jende_> ltmon: lots of paperwork and stuff
[01:13] <Un4givn1> wine for kde, where 2 find?
[01:13] <jende_> !wine
[01:13] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:14] <Un4givn1> thanx
[01:15] <jende_> ltmon: it was funny though cause the probs haven't been caused by me, it was mor the fact that my employer did farming
[01:15] <ltmon> jende_: i thought that farming was an easy way to get in the country... because we don't have enough farm workers here
[01:16] <ltmon> jende_: maybe i'm wrong
[01:16] <jende_> ltmon: no, basically you're right, but they couldn't understand that even farmers might need someone who knows IT, esp Linux
[01:17] <ltmon> jende_: oh right :) what did the farmer need from an IT person?
[01:18] <jende_> ltmon: well it was like a huge farm for that area and they did olives, crops,wine and sheep...and especially for the winery if you're like that big as they were/re you'll need IT-geeks
[01:18] <jende_> ltmon: well it was like a huge farm for that area and they did olives, crops,wine and sheep...and especially for the winery if you're like that big as they were/are you'll need IT-geeks
[01:19] <romeo_> i want to install flash 9 but i dont know how to install tarballs
[01:19] <ltmon> jende_: oh right
[01:19] <romeo_> help
[01:19] <swilly> has anyone else had trouble getting amarok to play .wav files?
[01:19] <jende_> ltmon: at the end of the day I did farmwork and my IT-stuff
[01:19] <Xal2> I'm getting this error with the following command: make kpkg-clean
[01:19] <jende_> romeo_: help?what for?
[01:19] <Xal2> make: *** No rule to make target `kpkg-clean'.  Stop.
[01:20] <romeo_> instlaing flash player 9
[01:20] <ltmon> romeo_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279990
[01:20] <jende_> !flahplayer
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flahplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:20] <jende_> !flashplayer
[01:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:20] <ltmon> jende_: he was looking for flash 9.... not in the RestrictedFormats page yet
[01:20] <jmichaelx>  if anyone in here has been able to get yahoo videos to work in kubuntu edgy w/flash9 beta, let me know how you did it. i can't seem to make it work...
[01:20] <jende_> ltmon: errr...you're right
[01:21] <jmichaelx> !flash9
[01:21] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[01:21] <romeo_> i don t have multiplayer issues i don t know how to install tar gzs
[01:21] <otaku-san> romeo_: I'll try to walk you thru it
[01:21] <ltmon> romeo_: i think the link from ubotu will be a normal deb package, or the manual method is in the link i gave you
[01:22] <romeo_> ok
[01:22] <otaku-san> romeo_: your going to have compile it
[01:23] <romeo_> alright give me a second ok i m going to go look at the link i was given
[01:23] <ltmon> otaku-san: it's a binary... there's no compilation for flash 8
[01:23] <ltmon> otaku-san: it's a binary... there's no compilation for flash *9
[01:24] <intelikey> "romeo romeo, who for art thou romeo?"   --bill snakesphere
[01:24] <campbch> *boom*
[01:24] <campbch> - The Demented Cartoon Movie
[01:25] <jende_> ltmon: all romeo has to do, once he added the 2 lines given at the ubotu site to the sources.list, is a apt-get update
[01:25] <ltmon> jende_: i didn't realise a repository existed :) but he definately doesn't have to compile (I wish I *could* compile... open soure flash!)
[01:26] <jende_> ltmon: it's quite a comforable way to get the 9ish beta
[01:26] <campbch> if i were to write a program in c using kdevelop, how would i run it after compiling? is there a specific command, or would something like /src/debug/testing work?
[01:26] <Ash-Fox> When I try to start X from a script, I get a lovely message saying, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", but if I type the command out manually in the same shell, it works. Anybody know what the problem and how to get around it?
[01:26] <jende_> intelikey: yo howdy
[01:26] <intelikey> yo
[01:26] <ltmon> jende_: I'm sure it is... i just copied the *.so library to the right place which required a little more reading
[01:26] <intelikey> word
[01:27] <intelikey> sup homie ?
[01:27] <campbch> thats the other question, where do the two flash plugin files go in konqueror?
[01:27] <jende_> ltmon: and let me guess...it worked as it should
[01:28] <jende_> intelikey: word?sup homie? huh?
[01:28] <campbch> kpartplugins isn't the right one
[01:29] <campbch> ... anyone?
[01:29] <intelikey> home boy.  i'm live'n large.    grubbin' on a t-bone, sippin' on ice tea; and chillin' jende_
[01:29] <dom> !flash
[01:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:29] <dom> hmm
[01:29] <jende_> intelikey: lucky you, ey
[01:29] <ltmon> jende_: worked fine
[01:30] <intelikey> jende_ perhaps i should refrain from the local vernacular ?
[01:30] <dom> campbch,  if you go into the plugins config for konqueror, you'll see where it's searching to find plugins
[01:30] <campbch> hmm
[01:30] <amayera> is there no sun-java5-bin in edgy?
[01:30] <dom> $HOME/.mozilla/plugins is in there
[01:30] <amayera> how can I get java in edgy?
[01:31] <intelikey> !info java edgy
[01:31] <ubotu> Package java does not exist in edgy
[01:31] <maryen> dom, you trying to get flash 9?
[01:31] <maryen> !sun-java5-plugin
[01:31] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[01:31] <jende_> intelikey: yeah do that
[01:31] <dom> maryen,  no, just pointing out to campbch where konq looks for plugins
[01:31] <maryen> k
[01:31] <campbch> yep
[01:31] <amayera> damn. does that mean I have to get it from sun?
[01:32] <maryen> it probably looks at ~/.mozilla/plugins
[01:32] <intelikey> !info sun-java5-bin edgy
[01:32] <ubotu> sun-java5-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 21811 kB, installed size 65084 kB
[01:32] <maryen> no
[01:32] <magicmike> Yo jende. What up?
[01:32] <maryen> amareya activate all your repos and then try installing it
[01:32] <intelikey> amayera that ^  ?
[01:32] <maryen> !restricted
[01:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <campbch> kpartplugins is not in the standard list of plugin directories :(
[01:32] <jende_> magicmike: my buddy...how are ya?
[01:33] <amayera> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse <-- this line should be enough right?
[01:33] <maryen> that first link ubotu gave you will help you out
[01:33] <intelikey> amayera no
[01:33] <maryen> add multiverse to every line that has universe
[01:33] <intelikey> that's backports
[01:33] <jende_> amayera: that refers to the mutiverse bpo's whic doesn't help you at all
[01:34] <amayera> oh, ok. that explains some issues I had the last days. thanks.
[01:34] <maryen> btw, ive been curious
[01:34] <romeo_> hmm installes but doesn t work
[01:34] <jende_> maryen: curious?bout what?now I'm curious...*ggg*
[01:34] <intelikey> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse  <--- got milk ?
[01:34] <magicmike> Good.
[01:35] <maryen> since dapper is lts, does that mean stuff from edgy and subsequent releases will be worked into dapper
[01:35] <romeo_> should i restarst?
[01:35] <jende_> magicmike: couls someone fix up your ne2000 prb?
[01:35] <jende_> magicmike: couls someone fix up your ne2000 prob?
[01:35] <intelikey> could
[01:36] <romeo_> installed flash 9 but does not work on youtube should i restart?
[01:36] <Hydra> ok, so I', running though the kubuntu installer and I've selected a PARTITION to install linux on
[01:36] <amayera> it works. great. thank you all.
[01:36] <jende_> intelikey: damn typo
[01:36] <amayera> romeo_: here flash 9 works fine.
[01:36] <intelikey> jende_ every body but me typos.  i just can't spell.
[01:37] <romeo_> maybe if i restart after install?
[01:37] <Hydra> and the next screen gives me two options "erase entire DISK: (details about the partition follow) - 21.5gb linux device mapper" and "Manually edit partition table"
[01:37] <Hydra> i'm like.
[01:37] <otaku-san> romeo_: you don't need to restart
[01:37] <Hydra> "hold on, i've selected a partition and now it's asking me if i want to erase the DISK"
[01:37] <amayera> romeo_: how have you installed it?
[01:37] <Hydra> wtf?
[01:37] <jende_> romeo_: you shouldn't have to restart/reboot your system if stuff got installed properly
[01:37] <romeo_> can you give a link with something flash brsides youtube?
[01:37] <magicmike> It install several different kernels. I just had to choose the right one.
[01:38] <intelikey> Hydra dapper drake ?
[01:38] <romeo_> i installes with adept
[01:38] <jende_> magicmike: errrr...so you had more than just one kernel installed
[01:38] <Hydra> edgy eft latest rc
[01:39] <intelikey> ummm havent see that installer yet.   but the ducky one is screwy that way.  it doesn't do anythign until it gets the the next step "confirming the partition and formating"
[01:39] <Hydra> clicking "next" told me about how the partitions are going to be created
[01:40] <magicmike> Yea.
[01:40] <Hydra> clicking "next" caused the monitor to blank and now the system is frozen
[01:40] <Hydra> great..
[01:40] <maryen> hmm, my comp crashed
[01:40] <Hydra> oh wait no it's not
[01:40] <[GuS] > Aurevoir!
[01:40] <maryen> and now no sound?
[01:40] <maryen> brb
[01:40] <intelikey> live cd's are slow.  give it time.
[01:41] <jende_> magicmike: now the lot makes sense and shows me, that I forgot to ask you that question, which shows me that I should relearn to think as a newbie as well, if I help
[01:41] <otaku-san> intelikey: not to mention if you push it to far...it's prone to freeze...at least for me
[01:41] <magicmike> Now., I'm almost ready for take on some new adventures but I'll maybe  wait until tomorrow.
[01:41] <romeo_> hmm tried playing flash game firefox crashed
[01:41] <otaku-san> romeo_: you seem to have a bad flash install
[01:41] <magicmike> Naw, man you were great. Can't remember everything.
[01:42] <romeo_> should i try reinstall?
[01:43] <jende_> magicmike: I should remember such important things, if I help a newbie...shoouldn't expect that you telle me like out of the box stuff like 'yo, I've got the following kernels installed'
[01:43] <amayera> romeo_: what was your way of installing?
[01:43] <intelikey> Q; "what do linux users do?"
[01:43] <otaku-san> romeo_: you first need to unistall...
[01:43] <intelikey> A; "they install software."
[01:43] <Silvania> <- trying out Kubunto :)
[01:43] <otaku-san> amayera: he did it thru apt
[01:43] <jende_> intelikey: they don't reboot
[01:43] <otaku-san> amayera: I mean adept
[01:44] <intelikey> only ubuntu-linux users reboot.
[01:44] <amayera> there are already *.deb packages for it?
[01:44] <amayera> cool.
[01:44] <otaku-san> well not 9
[01:44] <jende_> intelikey: but those with KUbuntu...*ggg*
[01:44] <romeo_> ok
[01:44] <otaku-san> but for 7 yes
[01:44] <jende_> intelikey: just don't have to
[01:44] <maryen> yay sound is fine
[01:45] <amayera> ah ok.
[01:45] <otaku-san> romeo_: go into adept and uninstall flash...then when your done tell me..and I'll give you a link to a howto on installing 9
[01:45] <intelikey> sorry.   cat ^that | sed 's/ubuntu/\*ubuntu/'
[01:45] <maryen> stupid unstable nvidia beta driver
[01:45] <notbbt> does edgy update to RC or would i need to get the .isos again ?
[01:45] <Hydra> yeah, the installer is well broken..
[01:46] <maryen> it updates
[01:46] <jende_> notbbt: are you on edgy
[01:46] <notbbt> yes
[01:46] <Hydra> I've got an existing hdd with 2 primary partitions, one extended partition split into 3 more logical partitions
[01:46] <jende_> notbbt: well, it sure updates, why shouldn't it
[01:46] <Silvania> brb
[01:46] <Hydra> the 2nd primary partition is blank, which is where i want to create an ext3 partition and a swap partition
[01:47] <Hydra> but it doesn't give me the option to do so...
[01:47] <intelikey> Hydra manually ?      sudo cfdisk
[01:48] <Hydra> intelikey, ok so i had already started up fdisk to do it...
[01:48] <intelikey> you will have to delete or resize the second primary to make room for the swap
[01:48] <Hydra> question is, will it rescan the partition table and let me chose the ext3 and swap partitions after i've created them?
[01:49] <intelikey> prolly not.  probably have to back out and hit it again.
[01:49] <Hydra> mhh
[01:49] <sorush20> hi guys I keep getting this error
[01:49] <sorush20> kdeprinter
[01:49] <romeo_> sorry i had a phone call
[01:49] <Hydra> dmraid -ay might do it I guess
[01:49] <romeo_> ok i added source
[01:49] <romeo_> ain adept
[01:49] <Hydra> i think i'll make some space in the extended partition
[01:50] <bbt> anything specific i need to do to upgrade??
[01:50] <Hydra> i need vista on this box soon too!
[01:50] <romeo_> i unistalled the old flash
[01:50] <otaku-san> romeo_: you added a source to adept?
[01:50] <intelikey> Hydra again if that's on the salamander release i have not see that installer.    and probably never will.
[01:50] <otaku-san> ok
[01:50] <Hydra> linux doesn't need a primary partition
[01:50] <romeo_> and reibstalled from new source
[01:50] <romeo_> yes
[01:50] <jende_> bbt: well you have to modify your sources
[01:50] <intelikey> linux doesn't even need a partition
[01:50] <Hydra> back to windows for a bit...
[01:51] <jende_> bbt: and then do a sudo apt-update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:51] <romeo_> http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/
[01:51] <otaku-san> romeo_: ahhhh try flash out then
[01:51] <intelikey> so no it doesn't need a primary partition either.
[01:51] <Hydra> at least it finds my mouse, keyboard and gfx card!
[01:51] <bbt> jende_: for edgy to rc, what would i need to modify ??
[01:51] <Hydra> i remember installing linux a few years ago, crikey nightmare back then...
[01:51] <jende_> bbt: oooops sorry didn't get the first bist
[01:52] <jende_> bbt: just a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:52] <bbt> ok
[01:53] <romeo_> i m gonna restart you never know
[01:53] <intelikey> i started playing with linux about 1 i think (most say 01, while others specify 2001)  i have never really had any trubble installing it.   ubuntu is as hard to install as the slackware 4 i started on.
[01:53] <otaku-san> romeo_: is it working...why do you need to reboot?
[01:53] <romeo_> it s not working
[01:53] <bbt> jende_: nothing to upgrade
[01:53] <otaku-san> on those sources there is no key
[01:54] <romeo_> i tried youtube no go
[01:54] <jende_> bbt: hmmm...
[01:54] <romeo_> it s installed it just doesn t work
[01:54] <otaku-san> romeo_: hold on...let me try youtube with my flash 9
[01:54] <romeo_> ok
[01:55] <jende_> bbt: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <romeo_> i ried a flash game and firefox crashed
[01:55] <jende_> romeo_: what game?
[01:56] <jende_> romeo_: whats the url to it?
[01:56] <romeo_> hmm just a sec
[01:56] <erik_> really stupid Q... Trying to get automatix to install...
[01:57] <jende_> !automatix
[01:57] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[01:57] <bbt> jende_: same result
[01:57] <romeo_> http://www.addictinggames.com/
[01:57] <erik_> thankyou
[01:57] <otaku-san> romeo_: it works for me man
[01:57] <jende_> bbt: lsb_release -a
[01:57] <otaku-san> romeo_: here uninstall flash and let me show you how I installed it
[01:58] <Dr_willis> youtube and the flash9 beta works for me
[01:58] <Dr_willis> using  FP9_plugin_beta_101806.tar.gz
[01:58] <jared555> for an average user how much command line work is required with kubuntu? (trying to find a distro to set new people up with)
[01:58] <romeo_> wait it worked this time
[01:58] <intelikey> Dr_willis flash ?    blasphemer !
[01:58] <bbt> jende_: http://cut.and.paste.org/pastebin/index.php?id=106
[01:58] <intelikey> :)
[01:58] <romeo_> i heard somewhere that it woul crash firefox the first time
[01:58] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  now if only there was somthing worth watching on youtube
[01:59] <intelikey> lol
[01:59] <Dr_willis> It hasent crashed the 5+ videos ive seen so far.
[01:59] <erik_> if I wanted to sudo "text editor" to open a text file what text editor command would I use?
[01:59] <jende_> bbt: you are already on the rc
[01:59] <otaku-san> romeo_: it didn't crash for me also
[01:59] <dom> jared555,  technically none.  but a lot of howto/troubleshooting stuff online will give command-line answers
[01:59] <campbch> yummm.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> and reallt the video quality is rather lacking i find. :)
[01:59] <romeo_> well i saw somewhere where it might
[01:59] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: hey whats up?
[02:00] <campbch> how do you run a binary that you've compiled? like, the default kdevelop3 console program?
[02:00] <romeo_> i gonna try youtube now
[02:00] <jende_> bbt: if you weren't it would say 6.10 (developer.....)
[02:00] <campbch> it keeps saying unknown command
[02:00] <campbch> when i type the program name
[02:00] <intelikey> jared555 if you admin their boxen 0% cli for the pointy clicky people.
[02:00] <otaku-san> romeo_: go ahead and uninstall the flash on adept
[02:00] <bbt> jende_: well i have never run a dist-uprgade, does automatix do it??
[02:00] <LjL> !automatix
[02:00] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[02:00] <jende_> bbt: coould be, I don't use/need automatix
[02:00] <Dr_willis> automatix is the work of the devil! :)
[02:00] <romeo_> i got youtube working
[02:00] <otaku-san> ok
[02:00] <romeo_> thanks
[02:01] <romeo_> yes
[02:01] <otaku-san> it was just a hiccup
[02:01] <romeo_> mustve
[02:01] <jared555> intelikey, I am trying to set something up where other than for the initial learning experience and maybe very occasional work the users can do most work on the system
[02:01] <romeo_> thanks all
[02:01] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: no it's not!
[02:01] <otaku-san> no prob
[02:01] <romeo_> f... windows
[02:01] <romeo_> don t need you
[02:01] <romeo_> lol
[02:01] <erik_> if I wanted to sudo "text editor" to open a text file what text editor command would I use? I tried sudo kate file path but I get this long string of errors in termial
[02:01] <ltmon> jared555: it really depends on what their day-to-day tasks are.  for email, web, basic word processing and other software you should be fine
[02:02] <ltmon> jared555: but some more specialised stuff might need investigating
[02:02] <wickedpuppy> where can i set the screen saver ? i can't find it.. thanks
[02:02] <jared555> I have seen a couple distros that are really good about easy to install/configure things but they had basically no packages easily available
[02:02] <Dr_willis> erik_,  pick one of the many texteditors and install them and learn how to use one. :P
[02:02] <Rakzor_Away> System settings -> desktop
[02:02] <jared555> how hard is it to get 3d(ati/nvidia/intel), java, and flash working?
[02:02] <intelikey> ltmon exception being java flash extra-codecs....  like i said if someone will admin the box.
[02:02] <jende_> !nvidia
[02:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:02] <Dr_willis> erik_,  vi, emacs, kate, kedit, gedit, fte, nano, pico, mcedit. :)
[02:03] <wickedpuppy> thanks Rakzor_Away
[02:03] <romeo_> one last thing i think it works beter than on my windows box
[02:03] <ltmon> jared555: intel stuff should be fine "out of the box", but nvidia and ati need some work (not much though)
[02:03] <romeo_> really does
[02:03] <otaku-san> thats good
[02:03] <intelikey> it's not much trubble to admin a box for someone that doesn't demand that it look and act exactly like that other os.
[02:04] <otaku-san> kinda nice to know that others are making it good with there Linux
[02:04] <otaku-san> having it good
[02:04] <romeo_> yup
[02:05] <jared555> intelikey, the problem is I will not always be available to help them
[02:05] <otaku-san> romeo_: how long you been using linux?
[02:05] <jende_> folks, I'll be going now...it's 2am and I'm getting more and more tired
[02:05] <jende_> see ya 2morrow
[02:05] <otaku-san> sleep is good
[02:05] <jende_> n8 to everybody
[02:06] <Rakzor_Away> Cya jende.
[02:06] <Hydra> right partitions sorted! -  p1 - 20gb xp, p2 - 20gb vista, p3 - logical (20gb, data, 80gb games, 380gb scratch, 40gb ext3, 1gb swap)
[02:06] <Hydra> crikey, 2x300gb hdd's in raid-0 rocks ;)
[02:06] <jende_> will back toorrow after 3mugs of coffee...hehehe
[02:06] <jende_> will back tomorrow after 3mugs of coffee...hehehe
[02:06] <maryen> k
[02:06] <Hydra> acronis disk director is great..
[02:07] <maryen> guh ive been sick the past 3 days
[02:07] <erik_> anybody have problems sudo editing text with kate on a clean install?
[02:07] <maryen> do kdesu erik_
[02:07] <sorush20> hi
[02:07] <erik_> one other newb question... how do i whisper with konversation?
[02:08] <maryen> not sure
[02:08] <T3hWiz0rd> erik_: most clients are done by /msg
[02:08] <T3hWiz0rd> bah
[02:08] <T3hWiz0rd> my irssi window seems to be moving oddly.
[02:08] <maryen> you have to be registered @ freenode first though
[02:08] <intelikey> jared555 i set up a kubuntu boxen for my mother (66 years old now)  and didn't give here "root jr." status  i simply set up a few scripts to do the four or five things that would have to have root perms and setup sudo to let her use those scripts.      long story short.  she has called me two times with printer trubble (out of ink & paper jam)  that's all the admin action needed in over a year.   so you judge.
[02:08] <intelikey> s/here/her
[02:09] <sorush20> > why do I keep getting this error guys  dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 32789 package `libxau6':  missing version E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2
[02:09] <ltmon> sorush20: there should be lines above this that give the exact cause
[02:10] <Mando> howdy
[02:11] <maryen> hi
[02:11] <intelikey> sorush20 edit the file and fix it.
[02:11] <Mando> i have a few problems with kubuntu
[02:11] <maryen> name em
[02:11] <Mando> first of all..
[02:11] <ltmon> sorush20: ignore my suggestion... i think i'm wrong
[02:11] <Mando> everytime kubuntu loads.. it does a checking all file systems check.. which checks my fat32 60 gb parition
[02:11] <Mando> EVERYTIME
[02:12] <Mando> which takes a long time and this incredibly annoying
[02:12] <Rakzor> Mine too and I hate it.
[02:12] <maryen> i think thats normal
[02:12] <sorush20> intelikey: what file?
[02:12] <intelikey> parse error means the data is not in the expected format.  the "missing version"  tells you what the exact problem is      shouldn't be hard to fix.    unless the files it turncated
[02:12] <romeo_> soory i was gone for awhile i ve been using linux for about
[02:12] <Mando> well i dont think that taking 5 min to load is normal
[02:12] <romeo_> a year
[02:12] <jared555> any idea why the kubuntu, ubuntu, etc. livecds would fail to boot, freezing at mounting file system (I think that is it)
[02:12] <intelikey> the one it said...... /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:12] <birdfish> Is there any way to remove most of the software that kubuntu initially installs?  For instance, there is no need for kword when I would rather use openoffice 2.0
[02:12] <Mando> but if u say so then it it.. i'm a linux newbie
[02:13] <Mando> it is*
[02:13] <campbch> birdfish, try adept?
[02:13] <birdfish> campbch: what's adept?
[02:13] <maryen> the lenght of time probably has to do with it being a fat32 partition
[02:13] <campbch> the package manager has a list of all installed packages
[02:13] <intelikey> sorush20 all the info is in the error message you posted.
[02:13] <Mando> ok another problem
[02:13] <Mando> i've made a full upgrade using adept
[02:13] <sorush20> http://pastebin.co.uk/4473, the ubuntu pastebin is down right?
[02:13] <Mando> not my ati driver doesnt work and thus xgl + beryl dont work
[02:13] <campbch> k>system>Adept (package manager)
[02:13] <campbch> lets you install, uninstall things easily
[02:14] <maryen> one sec ill check into a way to disable fsck on fat32 at start
[02:14] <Mando> ok tyt
[02:14] <maryen> Mando: you upgraded to edgy
[02:14] <maryen> ?
[02:14] <campbch> anyways, i am in a C class and need a compiler, so i got kdevelop3 and compiled a test console program
[02:14] <romeo_> ctakusan about ayear that ive been using linux
[02:15] <romeo_> i had suse for a long time
[02:15] <maryen> if so the proprietary ati drivers don't work with xorg 7.1 yet if im correct
[02:15] <romeo_> got use to rpms too much
[02:15] <campbch> but for some reason i cant get it to run in console, or x for that matter
[02:15] <romeo_> got lazy
[02:15] <LjL> campbch: just for the record though, KDevelop isn't a compiler: it's an IDE, i.e. basically a glorified text editor with facilities for automatically invoking compilers, debuggers etc. the C compiler you're using is GCC.
[02:15] <campbch> yes
[02:15] <campbch> i know
[02:16] <xsacha> gcc
[02:16] <campbch> but i used that, found the binary, but it still wont work
[02:16] <sorush20> could someone look at my error please and reply http://pastebin.co.uk/4473
[02:16] <LjL> campbch: elaborate?
[02:16] <xsacha> what's wrong camp?
[02:16] <mac_> i have 3 128mb rimm memory sticks.  should i install all 3 or just 2?
[02:17] <Mando_> sorry got disconnected
[02:17] <maryen> Mando: give me a sec and ill check on the driver problem
[02:17] <intelikey> sorush20 you mean someone else ?
[02:17] <Mando_> i dont think i've upgraded to edgy
[02:17] <campbch> ok. i started the ide, made a default console project, compiled it, and now i have the binary. to run the binary, i would either run it from x, which i hoped would invoke konsole, or run it from konsole as /src/debug/testing
[02:17] <Mando_> i got a new source.list from source-o-matic
[02:17] <campbch> but neither is working?
[02:17] <maryen> Mando_: you did a dist upgrade right?
[02:17] <Mando_> and clicked full upgrade in adept
[02:17] <maryen> hmm
[02:17] <LjL> campbch: what happens when you try from the console?
[02:18] <maryen> give me the site you got it from
[02:18] <campbch> it says that it can't find the command
[02:18] <maryen> so i can look at it
[02:18] <Mando_> ok 1 sec.
[02:18] <Mando_> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:18] <Rakzor> Arg, installing Kubuntu, installer is detecting file system, it's been at 14% for...a few hours now, is that really normal?
[02:18] <xsacha> cd /src/debug/testing && ./mytestbinary
[02:19] <intelikey> campbch is it executable ?
[02:19] <dom> !java
[02:19] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:19] <intelikey> chmod
[02:19] <campbch> someone in #kdevelop said something about typing ./testing or /testing, something about . not being in the path
[02:19] <LjL> mac_: if you've got three free slots, and don't need the third DIMM somewhere else, i don't see why'd you only install two.
[02:19] <xsacha> chmod a+x mytestbinary   if it says permission denied
[02:19] <Dr_willis> LjL,  thats way toooo logical. :)
[02:19] <LjL> campbch: indeed, if you are in a directory, you can't just type the name of an executable that's in that directory -- you should prefix it with "./"
[02:19] <campbch> ok
[02:19] <campbch> but it still didn't work?
[02:20] <xsacha> to execute it you must do: ./mytestbinary   when in the direct of mytestbinary
[02:20] <campbch> one sec...
[02:20] <xsacha> what was error camp?
[02:20] <LjL> Dr_willis: well, i had a laugh with the others in #ubuntu-offtopic before replying though ;-P
[02:20] <maryen> Mando_: upload your sources.list to this site 'http://www.megaupload.com/' and give me the resulting link
[02:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:20] <intelikey> or full path.   which campbch specified the first time.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i see WAY too many questions like that on a daily basis.
[02:21] <Mando_> i'm on windows now :S
[02:21] <Mando_> ok nevermind about xgl now
[02:21] <campbch> :D it worked that time
[02:21] <campbch> i'm happy
[02:21] <campbch> :D
[02:21] <xsacha> :)
[02:21] <Hydra> mHHHhh, booted the live cd again and this time it wouldn't initialise my network connection (no packets received)
[02:21] <intelikey> /usr/src/testing   == cd /usr/src ;./testing
[02:21] <Mando_> i want to skip the checking all filesystems
[02:21] <campbch> thanks
[02:21] <Mando_> and i want to get the wifi working
[02:21] <maryen> ok then
[02:21] <Mando_> these are more important now
[02:21] <sorush20> intelikey: no I mean anyone who knows about what to do really... what does the error mean what can I do about it ?
[02:21] <mac_> ljl actually it's rimm but i don't think that matters.  i thought i read somewhere you get better performance if you install in pairs.
[02:21] <maryen> well ill need a little info first
[02:22] <LjL> Dr_willis, my computer came with a disk called "Workbench", but when i put it in, it does nothing and then only shows a gray screen with some pictures. what can i do?
[02:22] <Mando_> ok sure
[02:22] <maryen> when you did the source o matic thing
[02:22] <Mando_> yesterday
[02:22] <Mando_> and the upgrade 2day
[02:22] <Dr_willis> LjL,  'im holding this paper up to the screen and running the scanner program.. but it dont scan....'
[02:22] <Hydra> then i tried ifup eth1 - no interface (bollocks, eth1 in dmesg output) added eth1 to /etc/net/interfaces swapped network cable to other port, ifup eth1, dhcp server contacted.  ip configured, but it wouldn't talk to the outside world...
[02:22] <maryen> what option did you choose for the distro
[02:22] <Hydra> (no pings or dns)
[02:22] <Mando_> dapper
[02:22] <LjL> mac_: i don't know, but i'll believe any better performance due to that will disappear in front of 128 more megs of RAM, especially since 128*3 isn't such a huge amount nowadays
[02:22] <maryen> hoary, breezy, or dapper
[02:22] <maryen> ok
[02:22] <Hydra> mhh, bloody linux
[02:23] <sorush20> there are a lot of errors on the sources from the source-o-matic I would not recommend it.. there is no link to the sources of the commercial pakcages in the conanical servers
[02:23] <Mando_> i have kubuntu dapper drake 6.06
[02:23] <Hydra> it's just so  *random*..
[02:23] <maryen> ok we'll do wifi first
[02:23] <Mando_> ok sure
[02:23] <maryen> do you happen to know what chipset your wireless is running
[02:23] <Mando_> kubuntu finds my wireless network but doesnt seem to communicate with it
[02:23] <LjL> Dr_willis: i assume you're familiar with the "!doesn't work" and the "!nothing" factoids, by the way.
[02:23] <intelikey> campbch you can add the pwd to your path.   it's a security hole  but not a big one.       echo  'export PATH="$PATH:./" ' >> ~/.profile
[02:23] <mac_> Ljl i was thinking the same thing.  but i figured i'd ask for a 2nd opinion before i crawled back in the corner to unhook this thing
[02:24] <Dr_willis> LjL,  is there a !putforthaLITTLEeffortMan factoid? :)
[02:24] <maryen> ok, so your wireless appears to work, but won't attach to your network?
[02:24] <Mando_> intel prowireless 2200G
[02:24] <LjL> Dr_willis: no, there is a !patience factoid though... we try to be nice :P
[02:25] <Hydra> oh neat, this time i've got garbage/artifacts on the kubuntu loading screen while the cd is booting..
[02:25] <Dr_willis> !nice
[02:25] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:25] <Mando_> well the wireless LED on the router doesnt flicker at all.. its like kubuntu isnt sending nor recieving anything
[02:25] <intelikey> sorush20 are you firewalled in ?
[02:25] <Hydra> ooh, a mouse pointer!
[02:25] <sorush20> intelikey: what does that got to do with anything
[02:25] <campbch> hmm?
[02:25] <campbch> this might seem like a basic question... but rm removes files, rmdir removes empty directories, and what removes full directories?
[02:25] <campbch> i checked man rmdir for a switch that would allow it to delete everything in the directory, but it didn't say anything
[02:25] <Hydra> when, btw, is xorg going to get rid of that HIDEOUS "X" mouse pointer...
[02:25] <LjL> campbch: rm with the -r option.
[02:26] <Hydra> that's been around for YEARS now..
[02:26] <Rakzor> rm -r
[02:26] <intelikey> sorush20 has nothing to do with anything.  i give up.
[02:26] <maryen> Mando_: wireless problem might be a little hard to fix until i get the lspci code for your card
[02:26] <sorush20> intelikey: I thought you were trying to help me are you or not?
[02:26] <LjL> Hydra: decades, i believe. anyway, i don't mind it, the one i hate is the "clock" pointer
[02:26] <intelikey> not anymore.
[02:27] <Mando_> ok can i help in searching for it? like what to do and what to search for
[02:27] <campbch> alright thanks
[02:27] <mac_> Hydra, the display on one of my machines is messed up during boot and after x shuts down but is perfect while x is running :)
[02:27] <intelikey> sorry dude.  my patients just ended.
[02:27] <intelikey> later folks.
[02:27] <Hydra> ahh good, the network's working this time - did i do anything different?  no...  nice to see linux so stable, lol
[02:28] <LjL> gee, it shows for probably a good *two seconds* :P
[02:28] <LjL> ... on slow machines
[02:28] <Dr_willis> They should be showing some "Linux/Xorg (tm)" splash screens! :)
[02:28] <maryen> Mando_: you would need to be in linux for me to instruct you on where to get that info
[02:28] <campbch> i havent had problems with stability so much as getting things to run, and it's been pretty consistently my lack of experience that's done it
[02:28] <Mando_> ok
[02:28] <Mando_> switching to linux
[02:28] <Mando_> brb
[02:28] <Dr_willis> I dont see it ever.. but i think the x startup scripts on ubuntu set the background and cursors befor X shows up
[02:28] <maryen> as for your fat32 problem
[02:28] <Hydra> they should deffo change the old pointers though
[02:29] <maryen> one sec
[02:29] <Hydra> they're horrid
[02:29] <Mando_> ok
[02:29] <LjL> Welcome to Kubuntu, a GNU/Linux/Xorg/KDE system
[02:29] <jmichaelx>  are there any cups wizards in here? i am trying to configure this PC as a print server.... but when i 'lpq' from a client machine, i get 'no default destination available'. the machine with the printer is kubuntu edgy, the client machine is running kubuntu dapper
[02:29] <Mando_> what about the fat32 problem?
[02:29] <maryen> you're going to need to edit a file
[02:29] <Mando_> ok no probs.. which file and what to edit?
[02:29] <Rakzor> Anyone know if an install of Dapper should take 4 hours? It says detectin file system 14%...but four hours? =\
[02:29] <maryen> let me put together an example for you real quick
[02:29] <maryen> gimme just a second
[02:30] <Hydra> right, let's see what dmraid give me this time
[02:30] <Mando_> dapper took me like 45 min or so
[02:30] <Rakzor> Dang something's wrong then...
[02:30] <Mando_> yeah definitely
[02:30] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: that sure is slow.... what kind of machine are you using?
[02:30] <Mando_> or ur pc is super slow
[02:30] <Hydra> aha, partitions!
[02:30] <Rakzor> Dell 2400.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> What Kind of chip ya got? a Dorito?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:30] <Mando_> lol
[02:30] <jmichaelx> well, what kind of CPU?
[02:30] <Rakzor> Lmao, a pentium.
[02:30] <jmichaelx> a pentium what?
[02:31] <Rakzor> I dunno.=p
[02:31] <Dr_willis> gotta love vague answers...
[02:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:31] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[02:31] <Hydra> but btw, i should *reallllllly* be able to do this from the installer
[02:31] <Rakzor> And I don't know how to check on Kubuntu
[02:31] <Linux_Galore_> eeer its got a cpu in it
[02:31] <Dr_willis> look in the bios screens
[02:31] <Linux_Galore_> and some wires
[02:31] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: are you using konversation?
[02:31] <Rakzor> Yeah.
[02:32] <maryen> manda_: did you specify a mount point for your fat32 partition?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> type /sysinfo and press enter
[02:32] <Dr_willis> live cd works? but the isntall dont eh?
[02:32] <maryen> if so can you tell me what it is
[02:32] <Rakzor> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2392 MHz (4789 bogomips), , RAM: 749/756MB, 123 proc's, 3.17h up
[02:32] <Rakzor> OOoooo
[02:32] <Rakzor> Oh nvm, not a pentium.
[02:32] <Mando_>  hda2 is that it?
[02:32] <dom> Sysinfo for 'friday.dl.nibble.bz': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 1808 MHz (2011 bogomips), , RAM: 949/1010MB, 118 proc's, 7.50h up
[02:32] <Linux_Galore_> yeah its a celery
[02:32] <Rakzor> Heh
[02:32] <Mando_> and another fat32 partition on hda1
[02:33] <Hydra> ARGH!!!
[02:33] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: i am not sure what is wrong, but your CPU should not have any problems at all
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Sysinfo for 'bubba: Linux 2.6.15-26-386   CPU: Z80 2.5 Mhz (.000001 bogomips),, RAM 16K, 1 proc, 1hr up
[02:33] <Linux_Galore_> Rakzor: swap to the i686 kernel in adept
[02:33] <Hydra> I've got ext3 and swap partitions defined and it *STILL* doesn't let me choose where to install kubuntu
[02:33] <Rakzor> jmichaelx: It tried to creat a swap, but it didn't work, could that have messed it up?
[02:34] <Rakzor> How?
[02:34] <jmichaelx> Rakzor: not sure, but i doubt it
[02:34] <Hydra> don't the guys that make the installer realise that people DON'T START WITH BLANK HDD's!
[02:34] <Hydra> *ARGH*
[02:34] <Linux_Galore_> Rakzor: go into adept and search for kernel
[02:34] <maryen> maybe
[02:34] <Rakzor> Hm, how do I ge to adept?
[02:34] <Dr_willis> I start with bank hdd;s
[02:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:34] <otaku-san> see ya'll
[02:34] <Rakzor> Heh nvm
[02:34] <Linux_Galore_> Rakzor: menu->system->adept
[02:34] <Hydra> any got any suggestions on how i can setup kubuntu on a hard drive that's already got partitions on it ready to be formatted/used ?
[02:35] <campbch> Sysinfo for 'stormbreaker': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.86GHz at 798 MHz (1598 bogomips), , RAM: 717/1002MB, 107 proc's, 2.31h up
[02:35] <maryen> !pastebin
[02:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:35] <campbch> im doin alright.
[02:35] <jmichaelx> i should not have mentioned /sysinfo lol
[02:35] <campbch> processor speed's a bit low, but it's a laptop :D
[02:35] <campbch> i couldnt resist, sorry
[02:35] <Hydra> btw, "manually edit partition table" doesn't let me choose devices from /dev/mapper/*, it only gives me /dev/sd*
[02:35] <Mando_> anyluck?
[02:36] <jmichaelx> campbch: your CPU is not slow at all
[02:36] <maryen> yes
[02:36] <jmichaelx> campbch: you have plenty to work with
[02:36] <campbch> its not slow, so much as slow-er
[02:36] <mac_> Rakzor, sounds like a problem i had on one of my computers.  the only way i could get past it was to actually unplug it for a minute and then plug it back in.  turning off and on didn't help.  don't know if you have the same problem but i think that's the same place i was hanging
[02:36] <maryen> almost done
[02:36] <Mando_> ok great :D
[02:36] <jmichaelx> campbch: i use MUCH slower machines commonly
[02:36] <Linux_Galore_> put it this way a P3 733 is fine with Kubuntu
[02:36] <Rakzor> mac_: I'll try it, waiting hasn't done anything.
[02:36] <campbch> i dont notice differences between this and my 3ghz
[02:36] <campbch> in any sense
[02:37] <campbch> and my first install was suse a year back on a 533mhz celeron, so i know what you mean :D
[02:37] <mac_> yeah, i run a p3 733 with kubuntu and it's fine.  but it's a bit finer with xubuntu
[02:37] <Hydra> anyone? anyone?
[02:37] <jmichaelx> Linux_Galore_: i use kubuntu on a 500Mhz P3 all the time with no problems.... i watch DVDs , streaming videos , etc etc
[02:38] <Linux_Galore_> Ive got xubuntu on a PII 450 thats the slowest machine I have right now
[02:38] <Linux_Galore_> whizzes along with xubuntu on it
[02:38] <mac_> Linux_Galore_, i switched to freedos for my p2s
[02:38] <jmichaelx> i have a 400Mhz celeron with zenwalk, and it works great
[02:38] <maryen> Mando_: ok http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27727/, this is the example, when you get into linux, you're going to want to type 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' into the konsole and follow this things instructions
[02:39] <Linux_Galore_> just dont open firefox though
[02:39] <jmichaelx> mac_: there are linux distros that would run well on that machine
[02:39] <tyl3r> Am I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> on P2s, that is
[02:39] <maryen> ok?
[02:40] <Mando_> ok thanks a bunch!
[02:40] <maryen> np
[02:40] <jmichaelx> i also have damn small linux on an old P1/166Mhz :-D.... and i surf the net with firefox
[02:40] <maryen> just a warning mando
[02:40] <maryen> disabling filesystem checking can leave your fat32 partition unhealthy
[02:40] <tyl3r> Am I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?
[02:40] <Mando_> i
[02:40] <maryen> but only as unhealthy as windows leaves it
[02:41] <Mando_> i'll do a fsck everyonce and a while
[02:41] <mac_> jmichaelx, sure.  i ran mandriva on it.  i'm just on a mission to rotate between OSS OSs as they hit v1.0.  freedos did recently.  if reactos ever does i'll add it, too
[02:41] <maryen> k
[02:41] <Linux_Galore_> my favorite machine right now is a Dual P4 Xeon (1.6Ghz) I built from bits and pieces
[02:41] <Hydra> hmm, there's a new ubquity installer
[02:41] <Hydra> i'll try upgrading that first
[02:41] <Mando_> thank you very very much
[02:41] <jmichaelx> mac_: cool
[02:41] <maryen> np
[02:42] <maryen> tell me when you're in linux if you can
[02:42] <maryen> konversation has this channel preloaded into it
[02:42] <mac_> i think dsl would run nicely on my palmv.  :)
[02:42] <Linux_Galore_> Ive grown not to like oem machines or pre mades, I like building machines from junk other people have decided to deprecate for one reason or another
[02:42] <jmichaelx> i am still a total amateur at putting PCs together, but i am learning. i bought this PC from a school for $5 (along with three others) about a month ago
[02:42] <jmichaelx> *loves junk PCs
[02:43] <Mando_> ok will do
[02:43] <tyl3r> Am I the only one who can't disable the busy cursor icon on Edgy?
[02:43] <Linux_Galore_> junker = pc built from bits and pieces that others have decided to either sell or throw out
[02:43] <jmichaelx> busy cursor?
[02:43] <tyl3r> yeah
[02:43] <tyl3r> the jumping icon
[02:43] <maryen> i need to build a junker server
[02:43] <tyl3r> when you open new apps
[02:44] <maryen> and or testing box
[02:44] <Rakzor> Yeah that annoying lil thing...
[02:44] <jmichaelx> Linux_Galore_: most of my PCs were discarded from offices and schools
[02:44] <tyl3r> yeah in edgy there isn't anymore the option to disable it
[02:44] <Linux_Galore_> jmichaelx: your like me, do you have a collection of CPU's yet
[02:44] <jmichaelx> i have edgy, but no busy cursor (that i know of)
[02:44] <tyl3r> weird
[02:45] <campbch> jmichael, how do you go about doing that?
[02:45] <campbch> do you need connections, or what?
[02:45] <jmichaelx> you mean CPU chips?? i don't have that, but i have about 15 old desktops and 2 laptops (one with a non-functioning screen)
[02:45] <campbch> the thought occurred to me a while back
[02:45] <Linux_Galore_> you know your a junker addict when you always carry a screw driver and when you walk the dog and find an old pc on the curb you pull it appart and strip it
[02:45] <maryen> tyl3r: gimme a sec
[02:45] <mac_> i bought my first new computer not long ago because it was only $380.  amd64 3500, 200 gb hd, tv/radio tuner, 1 gb ram, dvd burner.  i just couldn't pass it up.  but speaking of the reuse lotto, last week i picked up a p4 for $30 at the salvation army.  it didn't have a monitor, mouse, or kb so they were selling it for $30 while the p2 next to it did and was priced at $110 :)
[02:45] <jmichaelx> LOL
[02:46] <tyl3r> ok maryen
[02:46] <tyl3r> thanks a lot
[02:46] <campbch> :D
[02:46] <jmichaelx> that is awesome, mac_
[02:46] <Linux_Galore_> Ive left a trail of hundreds of pc carcases with the ram and cpu and hardisk removed
[02:46] <mac_> Linux_Galore_, that's only cool if you take the rest of the machine to the recycler.
[02:46] <maryen> tyl3r: type 'kcontrol' into your konsole, and go to launch feedback under appearance and themes
[02:46] <Linux_Galore_> mac_: the council recycles them here anway
[02:47] <Linux_Galore_> anyway*
[02:47] <mac_> Linux_Galore_, ok
[02:47] <bioticpro> G'day yall, q: if blank dvds are 4.7GB capacity, why do all the ripping programs have the default image size set to 4.4GB?
[02:47] <jmichaelx> mac_: i have several boxes that need to go to the recycler
[02:47] <tyl3r> ok
[02:47] <Rakzor> Uptime: 3 hours and 32 minutes
[02:47] <rich_> hello
[02:47] <Rakzor> Hm, three hours...
[02:47] <rich_> hi
[02:47] <rich_> hi
[02:48] <tyl3r> awsome, thanks!!!!
[02:48] <jmichaelx> this $5 box has become my main PC, the only thing i have done to it, is add a $10 usb 2.0 PCI card
[02:48] <tyl3r> I did it
[02:48] <maryen> np
[02:48] <tyl3r> no more busy cursor
[02:48] <tyl3r> thanks a lot maryen
[02:48] <maryen> np
[02:48] <mac_> tyl3r, i HATE thing.  the guy on dl.tv was talking about how much he liked it :)
[02:48] <maryen> eh, to each his own
[02:49] <maryen> i like it personally
[02:49] <tyl3r> damn
[02:49] <tyl3r> it's so annoying
[02:49] <jmichaelx> oops, i lied, i did add a 128MB nvidia video card , as well
[02:49] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: depends how you measure a 1k  some read it as 1000 bits some 1024
[02:49] <tyl3r> and imo it also slows the opening of a program
[02:49] <maryen> although i would like it to be more representative of how the program is opening
[02:49] <mac_> lol@ "How many bytes are in a gigabyte?"
[02:49] <maryen> tyl3r, what speed cpu are you running? >.>
[02:49] <tyl3r> athlon64 3200
[02:50] <jmichaelx> i am running edgy, and have no idea what this busy cursor thing is lol
[02:50] <tyl3r> I know it's not shit LOL
[02:50] <maryen> whats its clockspeed
[02:50] <maryen> :p
[02:50] <tyl3r> 2ghz
[02:50] <maryen> hmm
[02:50] <mac_> jmichaelx, it's what makes your cursor bounce when you start an app
[02:50] <apsog33> kcontrol is your friend
[02:50] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: also if its a data dvd you lose space for the file system overhead
[02:50] <maryen> you should really look into getting a dual core
[02:50] <jmichaelx> mac_: ooooh, i like that busy cursor lol
[02:50] <maryen> they are very very nice
[02:51] <jmichaelx> now i know what you all mean
[02:51] <tyl3r> I know a Conroe would rock
[02:51] <tyl3r> but they are damn expensive
[02:51] <tyl3r> and I actually use only 1ghz
[02:51] <maryen> ive got a 1.7 intel core dup
[02:51] <jmichaelx> *still thinks that P3's rock
[02:51] <maryen> duo*
[02:51] <maryen> and my computer hardly ever slows down
[02:52] <tyl3r> mine doesn't too but that icon is so useful
[02:52] <tyl3r> sorry useless
[02:52] <maryen> mainly because its currently impossible for one application to take all the processor cycles
[02:52] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: ok, thx
[02:52] <tyl3r> yeah, only when I compile or play
[02:53] <maryen> what speed is the conroe you were wanting?
[02:53] <tyl3r> where are you from guys?
[02:53] <maryen> america
[02:53] <campbch> anyone know how the mp32ogg converter works? i've been trying mp32ogg <filename> with spaces, spaces>_ and spaces>%20 even... sudo included. i just cant get it do do anything but print an about statement for mp32ogg
[02:53] <tyl3r> don't know really
[02:53] <tyl3r> maybe 3200
[02:53] <maryen> try soundkonverter
[02:53] <maryen> 3200 @.@
[02:53] <jmichaelx>  are there any cups wizards in here? i am trying to configure this PC as a print server.... but when i 'lpq' from a client machine, i get 'no default destination available'. the machine with the printer is kubuntu edgy, the client machine is running kubuntu dapper
[02:53] <maryen> can't think of what you would need that much speed on a dual core for
[02:53] <apsog33> does anybody have a logitech G15 keyboard?
[02:54] <tyl3r> yeah, it's mainly for gamers
[02:54] <tyl3r> and overclockers
[02:54] <maryen> tyl3r, you do know that the speed they print for dual core processors are for only one core right
[02:54] <Linux_Galore_> campbch: usually you have to define the ripp rate and both the input and output file names
[02:54] <tyl3r> mmmm no
[02:54] <maryen> which means if you got an app that could use both cores you would have the equivalent of 6.4 ghz
[02:55] <Rakzor> woah....
[02:55] <tyl3r> o_O
[02:55] <Rakzor> 6.4 ghz?
[02:55] <maryen> yeah
[02:55] <apsog33> almost
[02:55] <Rakzor> Dang...
[02:55] <apsog33> it's not that efficient
[02:55] <maryen> mine if using an app made to use both cores comes out to be 3.4 theoretically*
[02:56] <campbch> hmm...
[02:56] <maryen> apsog33, bah it would be at least 5ghz
[02:57] <yokobr> hey
[02:57] <ArmedGeek> bah! i broke my sound!
[02:57] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: so if I right click on a DVD on kde desktop, go to properties, what is the maximum size for a single layer disk, in bytes?
[02:57] <maryen> the only thing i don't care for in edgy is that it scales processor speed automatically without any option to not do that
[02:57] <yokobr> im trying to install macosx x86, but it doesnt see my hd
[02:57] <yokobr> my mac doesnt see my sata hd......if i boot from "ultimate boot cd" it maybe see?
[02:58] <lugburz> german room?
[02:58] <lugburz> name of the german room?
[02:58] <maryen> although it does it 100x more effectively than dapper did so im not as bothered by it as i would be
[02:58] <maryen> !de
[02:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:58] <tyl3r> since I'm here I'm going to ask one more question
[02:58] <lugburz> merci
[02:58] <lugburz> ;)
[02:58] <edu> Hey I am  having a problem using Beryl
[02:58] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: I assume it should be 47000000, and 4.4GB
[02:58] <maryen> lugburz: lol
[02:58] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: data or iso ?
[02:58] <lugburz> lol?
[02:58] <tyl3r> do you guys have problems with the nvidia beta drivers on edgy?
[02:58] <campbch> soundkonverter does the trick :D
[02:58] <lugburz> was denn?
[02:58] <maryen> !fr
[02:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:59] <edu> when it starts it says "
[02:59] <edu> beryl: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[02:59] <edu> beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0
[02:59] <edu> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :1.0
[02:59] <tyl3r> I mean installing them
[02:59] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: a DVD movie disk
[02:59] <Rakzor> !sp
[02:59] <Rakzor> pffft
[02:59] <ubotu> sp: James Clark's SGML parsing tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-1.2.1-46ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 169 kB, installed size 592 kB
[02:59] <campbch> !es
[02:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:59] <Rakzor> Ah
[02:59] <campbch> cute
[02:59] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: well most dvd movies are dual layer now around 7.2Gb
[02:59] <tyl3r> see you guys
[02:59] <maryen> edu, you using nvidia driver?
[02:59] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: the one I have loaded now, says size is 4.4GB
[02:59] <maryen> cya tyl3r
[02:59] <tyl3r> oh
[03:00] <edu> no, i am using ati driver
[03:00] <tyl3r> ok see you and thanks a lot!!!!
[03:00] <poison> soy un novato de linux. estoy con el kubunto. podriais decirme algunas web interesantes para iniciarme con esto?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: tight wads
[03:00] <maryen> !es
[03:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:00] <edu> and i have followed a hint on the beryl page but there is a problem, there is no file
[03:00] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: its an old forein movie...
[03:00] <flaccid> dual layer is 8.5GB
[03:00] <maryen> edu, try using the open source driver
[03:00] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: thats the image size, it doesnt actually define the size of the dvd media
[03:01] <campbch> !jp
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <campbch> :D lol
[03:01] <edu> one thing
[03:01] <maryen> poor japanese
[03:01] <Rakzor> Lmao
[03:01] <edu> on the web page they tell to do this:
[03:01] <edu> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 compiz --replace gconf
[03:01] <edu> is in kubuntu the file located in another place?
[03:01] <maryen> are you using edgy or dapper?
[03:01] <edu> dapper
[03:01] <jmichaelx> is there an ubuntu cups room??
[03:02] <edu> and the driver is 8.27.10
[03:02] <maryen> its very difficult in dapper, you have to have xorg7.1 installed
[03:02] <maryen> you wouldn't have happened to compiled that yourself already have you?
[03:02] <edu> wow, i have a 56k connection :-( are the xorg files very heavy?
[03:03] <flaccid> hmm double-sided dual layer is 17GB
[03:03] <flaccid> didnt know that existed
[03:03] <Linux_Galore_> edu: lol 56k, now thats a piece of history right there
[03:03] <edu> I live in a village :-D
[03:03] <Rakzor> 17Gb...heh...
[03:03] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: ok, to be specific, I am trying to figure out whether I need to shrink this movie to copy it to a single layer blank, or if it will fit as is
[03:03] <maryen> i would suggest upgrading to edgy after it goes stable rather than trying to compile your own xorg
[03:03] <Rakzor> How big is it?
[03:03] <jmichaelx> a LOT of people are still on 56k connections
[03:03] <flaccid> bioticpro: size?
[03:03] <maryen> america is all the world that matters
[03:04] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: use k3b and just tell it to burn the iso, if its the wrong size it will complain
[03:04] <edu> I live in europe
[03:04] <maryen> who cares about those sub-people
[03:04] <edu> omg hahahaha
[03:04] <jmichaelx> actually, there are probably more people in the US on dial-up than in europe
[03:04] <bioticpro> flaccid: 4.4GB (4,672,020,624)
[03:05] <bioticpro> flaccid: thats the size kde tells me by right clicking on the DVD icon on desktop
[03:05] <maryen> edu: xorg seems to be difficult to compile
[03:05] <edu> It is funny to think that so many people is using a 90s technology 
[03:05] <campbch> they ran an article about that awhile back... we CAN upgrade everything to provide cheap broadband to everyone, but supply and demand prevents... raise the supply too much, you have no profit
[03:05] <edu> hey maryen, about the free driver option
[03:05] <flaccid> well some things tell me that 4.7GB can fit finalised
[03:05] <jmichaelx> edu: you cannot get broadband in most rural areas in the US
[03:05] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: k3b wont allow you to burn an iso that doesnt fit the media
[03:05] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: if you not sure try it
[03:05] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: no harm done
[03:05] <maryen> edu: the free driver won't fix the problem unless you've got xorg7.1 installed
[03:06] <campbch> you can get satellite, if nothing else... and it gets better every year
[03:06] <flaccid> but other things say 4.3GB. do what Linux_Galore_ said and try burning it :)
[03:06] <edu> i could have satellite access but that would be very expansive
[03:06] <maryen> and sadly there aren't any packages for dapper
[03:06] <maryen> btw
[03:06] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: well, I don't actually have a burner yet, Im backing up some dvds first
[03:06] <jmichaelx> campbch: i had starband for a year and a half or so several years ago, and it sucked bad
[03:06] <maryen> edgy is going stable in like 6 days
[03:06] <edu> or WIMAX, but i'll have to wait another year
[03:06] <campbch> my mother lives in Peck, Mi, a pop 1000 something village in the middle of the thumb... she couldnt get cable, so she got satellite
[03:06] <campbch> yeah it sucked
[03:06] <maryen> so it won't be much of a wait
[03:06] <edu> :-(
[03:07] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: I like to play my dvds right off the HD instead
[03:07] <campbch> but then the next year they put lines in for cable
[03:07] <maryen> i heard that with satellite they ration your internet acess
[03:07] <campbch> so it's getting there
[03:07] <edu> so that problem is a xorg bug?
[03:07] <jmichaelx> maryen: it is true
[03:07] <campbch> you think they dont with cable? :p
[03:07] <bioticpro> you can play *.isos with kaffeine
[03:07] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: yeah kiso allows you to open an iso
[03:07] <maryen> edu: more like it wants a feature only 7.1 has
[03:07] <jmichaelx> and on a cloudy day your connection gets cut off over and over
[03:07] <maryen> edu: and dapper uses 7.0
[03:07] <bioticpro> Linux_Galore_: ok, so I can test it without acutally having a burner
[03:07] <edu> it depends on the contract you have, most of them are unidirectional and with a limited amount of MBs
[03:07] <maryen> jmichaelx: whats true
[03:08] <maryen> jmichaelx: rationing?
[03:08] <jmichaelx> yeah
[03:08] <maryen> jmichaelx: thats the ultimate level of gay
[03:08] <edu> Are there any plans about backporting xorg 7.1 to dapper?
[03:08] <Xal2> Kubuntu 6.10 is coming out soon, correct?
[03:08] <jmichaelx> i agree
[03:08] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: not sure, k3b tests the blank media before it burns so I doubt it will work
[03:08] <maryen> yes
[03:08] <maryen> edu: no there aren't at the moment
[03:08] <edu> I've heard that kubuntu edgy won't be shipped free, that's a pity,  since i won't be able to download it.
[03:09] <maryen> edu: but they might, dapper is suppsed to be LTS
[03:09] <edu> I see, maryen
[03:09] <flaccid> i thought edgy is an experimental release
[03:09] <maryen> edu: is there any way you could just upgrade your dapper through the repos?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore_> bioticpro: hmm might work there is a test mode in k3b
[03:09] <jmichaelx> maryen: yes
[03:09] <edu> btw, i have 3d accel but i tried war craft 3 in cedega and it ran terrible slow....
[03:10] <campbch> edgy is the next version, right? like dapper was when breezy was around? that's what i was under the impression of, at least
[03:10] <jmichaelx> oops
[03:10] <campbch> how does the versioning work?
[03:10] <maryen> edu: it would take a couple of days, but it would get you edgy faster than downloading the 700mb iso
[03:11] <maryen> campbch: dapper is supposed to be the main version for 3 or so years
[03:11] <edu> I can't have the   comp. downloading a couple of days, my fathers would get crazy
[03:11] <maryen> campbch: with the others being upgrades of it
[03:11] <edu> and my brothers want to chat and that stuff
[03:11] <Linux_Galore_> dapper = stable edgy = unstable
[03:11] <flaccid> maryen: support for 3 years. not main version for 3 years :)
[03:11] <maryen> flaccid: ah
[03:11] <edu> A bad thing about linux is that the narrow band connections seems to work worse than in windows
[03:11] <edu> I'll explain
[03:11] <flaccid> Linux_Galore_: wtf
[03:11] <Linux_Galore_> also just because you run dapper doesnt mean you have to stick with an old kde desktop
[03:12] <campbch> well yeah
[03:12] <campbch> so
[03:12] <campbch> how old was breezy?
[03:12] <maryen> edu: if you do the upgrade during night time it will still work
[03:12] <edu> when you're in windows you can be chatting and downloading a file, and the chat will go on, but in linux, you put adept to download something
[03:12] <Linux_Galore_> right now I have dapper with kde 3.5.5
[03:12] <edu> and it's like if the program takes the whole connection to it
[03:12] <edu> (sorry for my little English :P)
[03:12] <maryen> edu: adept will keep the files it already downloaded, so you would still make progress
[03:13] <edu> i see! the cache
[03:13] <maryen> edu: yep
[03:13] <Linux_Galore_> campbch: 6 month release cycles do the math
[03:13] <campbch> i see...
[03:13] <maryen> either way, beryl is still not worth the upgrade
[03:14] <maryen> its still far too buggy and slow for day to day use
[03:14] <maryen> just nice for something to play with
[03:14] <edu> Or  a better option... a friend can download it for me, as I did before! but they'r getting tired of my linux downloads hahaha
[03:14] <maryen> lol
[03:14] <edu> i'll wait to the edgy release
[03:14] <maryen> want me to send you a link to the latest edgy iso?
[03:14] <maryen> k
[03:14] <Linux_Galore_> Im very happy with dapper so Im not updating for the hell of it
[03:14] <maryen> !edgy
[03:14] <edu> or perhaps mandriva 2007... has anyone tried it?
[03:14] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[03:15] <edu> It loosk good
[03:15] <maryen> !schedule
[03:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:15] <maryen> Edgy comes out on Oct 26
[03:15] <Linux_Galore_> edu: you need more than 512mb of ram or 2007 is a bit slow
[03:15] <edu> soon!
[03:15] <mando> hey maryen
[03:15] <maryen> mando: heya
[03:15] <mando> the solution u gave me worked just fine!
[03:15] <edu> I have 512
[03:16] <maryen> awesome
[03:16] <Linux_Galore_> edu: more than not 512
[03:16] <mando> let me upload my source.list
[03:16] <edu> :(
[03:16] <mando> so u can help me with my ati xgl problem
[03:16] <maryen> k
[03:16] <Linux_Galore_> edu: it will work but if you open a few things its a bit laggy
[03:16] <mando> after the source-o-matic upgrade the fglrx uses mesa
[03:16] <edu> So people were claiming about Vista, but Mandriva is also memory hungry! hehe
[03:17] <maryen> hey guys, remind me, the next time i buy a HD, make it a hitachi
[03:17] <Linux_Galore_> edu: depends, if you turn all the stupid services off its not too bad on 512
[03:17] <maryen> they have a very helpful guide for installing their drives on linux machines
[03:17] <edu> why hitachi? segate works fine :-P
[03:17] <flaccid> vista is horrible for mem usage
[03:18] <Linux_Galore_> Im intrested to see if the Mandriva Parallel boot method is better then the new setup in edgy
[03:18] <edu> Linux_Galore: So does mandriva come with a lot of unnecesary services activated by default?
[03:18] <maryen> you said the word that must not be spoken
[03:18] <flaccid> sounds like fedora hehe
[03:18] <mando> http://mandostudios.com/sources.list
[03:18] <edu> I remember that i was amazed about the huge memory consumption of windows me, and then i installed XP, it was.......worse! hhahahaha
[03:18] <maryen> doesn't "it" have 1gb of ram usage
[03:18] <maryen> ?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore_> edu: yes
[03:19] <Linux_Galore_> edu: dont forget mandriva is a kitchen sink distro
[03:19] <flaccid> ubuntu is more like a bar fridge
[03:19] <Linux_Galore_> edu: also get Mandriva Power Pack of a torrent not the standard version
[03:19] <flaccid> it can handle more than a few beers if required
[03:19] <soulrider> can someone here help me witht he grub ?
[03:19] <soulrider> i reisnatlled kubuntu
[03:20] <soulrider> and lost it, so i had to reinstall it
[03:20] <maryen> mando: you wanted to get xgl running on dapper?
[03:20] <flaccid> problem, soulrider?
[03:20] <soulrider> but when i try to load one of my OS
[03:20] <soulrider> it sais it cant find the partition
[03:20] <edu> IMHO kubuntu is great thanks to the apt-get system and the completely free service, in mandriva you have to manage with plfs and the package manager seems to be.......slow.
[03:20] <mando> i read somewhere that following the steps i did to install the ati driver and xgl again would solve it
[03:20] <flaccid> soulrider: try a sudo update-grub
[03:20] <Linux_Galore_> edu: yeah Mandriva uses smart (used to be urpmi) and its dog slow compared to apt-get
[03:20] <edu> yup, i know, the standard version is like........fedora of red hat
[03:20] <campbch> IMHO kubuntu is great because so far it hasn't fried my computer like slackware did :
[03:21] <maryen> mando: i really wouldn't suggest using xgl at the moment
[03:21] <campbch> :\ getting it running is one thing, getting it off is another
[03:21] <mando> yeah it was working just fine and fglrxinfo showed ati and xgl + beryl were working just fine until i did that stup full upgrade
[03:21] <mando> stupid*
[03:21] <edu> Slackware fried your computer? OMG!
[03:21] <maryen> hmm
[03:21] <soulrider> flaccid: im using the live CD since i cant load kubuntu
[03:21] <maryen> what's fglrx saying now?
[03:21] <mando> now even the login box of kubuntu has no borders around the space for the username and pass
[03:21] <campbch> OMG! when i went to reformat it to try something else, it stopped reading disks as bootable
[03:21] <mando> mesa
[03:21] <soulrider> that command told me i had no grub installed
[03:22] <soulrider> sorry, the error was: No GRUB directory found.
[03:22] <maryen> your ati driver broke then
[03:22] <campbch> and then there were problems with the mbr, and other things i cant remember
[03:22] <flaccid> soulrider: ah ok. you might need to edit the menu.lst manually
[03:22] <maryen> did you install it from the repos?
[03:22] <sorush20> !raid
[03:22] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[03:22] <mando> yes
[03:22] <maryen> ok gimme a sec
[03:22] <mando> perhaps the linux restricted modules need to be updated?
[03:23] <campbch> !ubotu
[03:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[03:23] <soulrider> flaccid: can you guide me please ?
[03:23] <soulrider> im NEVER gonna try to isnatll suse again
[03:23] <soulrider> it screwed my whole system up
[03:23] <campbch> :p
[03:23] <soulrider> maybe if i try to reinstall kubuntu
[03:23] <soulrider> again...
[03:23] <campbch> suse was right before slack, and i didnt have any problems with it
[03:23] <Linux_Galore_> someone needs to create a dapper->edgy easy update script
[03:23] <maryen> nah, we'll just have you install the driver from the ati site
[03:23] <maryen> gimme a sec
[03:23] <soulrider> i just reinstalled it but never managed to actually get into it
[03:23] <mando> i had it already installed before i ran xgl
[03:24] <soulrider> well i tried to install suse and it never installed a grub
[03:24] <soulrider> i could never get into it
[03:24] <flaccid> soulrider: so whats the status of the partitions. is the kubuntu partitions ok?
[03:24] <soulrider> and i could get into windows either, whcih is on another partition
[03:24] <soulrider> yeah, i just reinstalled
[03:24] <mando> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Installing_Dapper.27s_Included_Driver_.288.25.18.29
[03:24] <soulrider> i just cant access any of my OS
[03:24] <mando> i followed these instructions
[03:24] <flaccid> so what happens on boot now?
[03:24] <Linux_Galore_> soulrider: suse asks you if you want to install the bootloader in the mbr, if not your suposed to insert a floppy
[03:24] <maryen> so you installed the driver from the ati site, or the one from the repositories
[03:24] <flexan> hello
[03:25] <soulrider> i reinstalled grub,a nd i see my Os options
[03:25] <soulrider> but when i slect one fo them
[03:25] <soulrider> it sais partition not found
[03:25] <mando> that link i gave you.. whatever that is lol
[03:25] <maryen> did you use method 1
[03:25] <maryen> ?
[03:25] <mando> yeah
[03:25] <mando> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143283
[03:25] <flexan> boot 6.10 RC x86 version my comp hangs at the Kubuntu splash screen at the first bar for progress
[03:25] <mando> this looks like my problem
[03:26] <sorush20> any howtos on how to setup linux software raids for two hdd eide and one ide port
[03:26] <mando> does this solve it?
[03:26] <flexan> booting*
[03:26] <Linux_Galore_> flexan: does the same for me, welcome to using unstable software
[03:26] <flexan> hehe
[03:26] <maryen> maybe
[03:26] <maryen> first lets get some stuff removed
[03:26] <mando> okk
[03:26] <flexan> i went ahead and removed the splash and quiet options and I found the error
[03:26] <flexan> but not sure why i am getting it
[03:27] <flaccid> soulrider: can you mount the / partition of kubuntu?
[03:27] <flaccid> from live cd
[03:27] <mando> start with what?
[03:27] <flexan> it is: Buffer I/O error on device hdc logical block 355386
[03:27] <soulrider> i can
[03:27] <soulrider> but
[03:27] <soulrider> its sda5 and when it ry to mount it
[03:27] <maryen> 'sudo apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx --purge' in konsole
[03:27] <soulrider> it sais its my swap
[03:27] <soulrider> and my swap is sda6
[03:27] <soulrider> when i try to mount sda6
[03:27] <flexan> hdc is my dvd/cd driver that I am botting the livecd from
[03:27] <soulrider> it mounds it as if it were my root
[03:27] <flexan> booting*
[03:28] <soulrider> flaccid: should i mount sda6 anyways >
[03:28] <soulrider> ?
[03:28] <flexan> i went ahead and reburned the CD at 4x in case that was the problem, but nope, didn't solve the issue
[03:28] <flaccid> so you can mount the / part. can you access /boot/grub/menu.lst from the kubuntu / part?
[03:28] <soulrider> let me try
[03:28] <mando> ok done
[03:28] <flexan> some searches turned up results of this same problem on old drives that don't support enwer formats. but my drive is only a year old
[03:29] <flexan> the weird thing is that gparted and linspire boot fine
[03:29] <mando> whats next
[03:29] <flexan> so it is a kubuntu issue
[03:29] <maryen> now do 'sudo apt-get install irssi'
[03:30] <soulrider> flaccid: i mounted it
[03:30] <soulrider> and apparently i dont have that file
[03:30] <soulrider> uhm just a se
[03:30] <soulrider> ci think i amde a typ0
[03:30] <mando> irssi newest version
[03:30] <mando> no change
[03:30] <soulrider> ah yea, its there
[03:30] <maryen> its already installed?
[03:30] <maryen> good
[03:31] <soulrider> should i change sda6 for sda5 ?
[03:31] <maryen> if something should happen and your computer crashes, you won't have a gui\
[03:31] <soulrider> and hd0,5 for hd0,4 ?
[03:32] <flaccid> um soulrider i'm not sure of your disk order
[03:32] <mando> ok whats next maryen?
[03:32] <soulrider> should i send a screenshot of qtparted ?
[03:32] <maryen> if that happens, login using your username like the cli prompt asks, and type in irssi, then /network irc.freenode.net then /channel #kubuntu
[03:32] <maryen> that way i can talk you through it
[03:32] <maryen> anyway
[03:33] <flaccid> soulrider: ok
[03:33] <mando> should i re-install the things we just removed?
[03:33] <maryen> no
[03:33] <maryen> we're gonna install the regular driver
[03:34] <mando> ok
[03:34] <maryen> it doesn't break as much or as easily
[03:34] <httpdss> im trying to use keep for backup, the thing is that as destination i select remote:/Backup (which references smb://192.168.xxx.xxx/Backup) ... when trying to backup, log shows error, as if i dont have RW access to that share, but i do have RW access through konqueror... any clue? can someone repeat this ?
[03:34] <maryen> download this: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run
[03:35] <ala-van> i am trying to mount an external usb drive... i used sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/myusb but that would only give root permission to use.  how can i can permission for everyone to use it?
[03:35] <mando> open with?
[03:35] <mando> run in terminal?
[03:35] <soulrider> flaccid: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3798/snapshot1nc9.png sda1 is windows and sda5 is kubuntu
[03:35] <bioticpro> kaffeine users here, where is the setting to stop kaffeine from autoplaying DVDs?
[03:35] <maryen> save it
[03:36] <mando> wow 55.1 mb!
[03:36] <maryen> yeo
[03:36] <maryen> yep*
[03:36] <mando> that should take a while
[03:36] <mando> i'm on a 256 kb/s connection
[03:36] <maryen> ooh
[03:36] <mando> this driver should be able to support xgl?
[03:36] <maryen> yes
[03:36] <mando> cool :D
[03:37] <mando> ok time for frozen bubble :D
[03:37] <mando> will be back later
[03:37] <mando> thanks for ur help so far maryen i appreciate it
[03:37] <flaccid> soulrider: looks like hd(1,3) ?
[03:37] <soulrider> whi 3 ?
[03:38] <edu> i am leaving, bye!
[03:38] <maryen> no problem
[03:38] <maryen> bye edy
[03:38] <Rakzor> edu: bye!
[03:38] <maryen> edu*
[03:39] <Ahmuck> !codecs
[03:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:39] <flaccid> soulrider: sorry its disk 1, part 2 (second disk, third partition)  hd(1,2)
[03:40] <soulrider> but not part 3, its part 1 and part 5
[03:40] <soulrider> =/
[03:40] <flaccid> or maybe hd(1,a)
[03:41] <cellofellow> soulrider: grub starts counting at zero, so hda1 is hd(0,0)
[03:41] <soulrider> im gonna pastebin my grub file ok
[03:41] <soulrider> so you take a look at it
[03:41] <soulrider> !pastebin
[03:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:41] <maryen> whats the ETA on that file mando
[03:41] <maryen> ?
[03:41] <flaccid> soulrider: maybe i am reading wrong. please read http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Naming-convention
[03:41] <mando> 30 min :S
[03:41] <soulrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27735/
[03:42] <mando> or less i believe
[03:42] <mando> 9 mb so far
[03:42] <maryen> k
[03:42] <cellofellow> anybody know how to configure kxdocker? whenever I use the configuration utility it just fizzles out sometimes and always loads the defaults when I log in.
[03:42] <mando> if you have to go or something just give me some instructions to follow and i'll take it from there
[03:43] <maryen> mando: im gonna play around with AIGLX for a bit
[03:43] <maryen> say my name when you need me
[03:43] <flaccid> soulrider: does xp mce load from the that grub entry?
[03:43] <mando> ok sure
[03:43] <soulrider> nope
[03:43] <soulrider> i just changed some stuff
[03:43] <soulrider> im gonna see if it works now
[03:43] <cellofellow> kxdocker? anybody know how to use it?
[03:43] <soulrider> ill BRB
[03:44] <flaccid> soulrider: primary first part is hd(0,0)
[03:44] <flaccid> second disk, first part is hd(1,0)
[03:45] <flaccid> hey i could be wrong
[03:45] <flaccid> try #grub :)
[03:46] <maryen> mando: if i may suggest it, i would say edgy with aiglx is much nicer than xgl, more stable too
[03:46] <Rakzor> Hey can anyone tell me what the command "bash" does in linux? I don't wanna try it without knowin what it does...
[03:46] <mando> but is edgy itself stable?
[03:46] <maryen> pretty much
[03:46] <maryen> im running it myself right now
[03:46] <mando> i fell in love with beryl
[03:46] <maryen> beryl works with AIGLX too
[03:47] <maryen> its what im using atm
[03:47] <mando> cool
[03:47] <mando> ok then perhaps i can upgrade to edgy after i install the ati driver
[03:47] <maryen> not to mention you can watch video in aiglx
[03:47] <maryen> in xgl its very buggy and can mess up your system
[03:48] <mando> well videos worked great on xgl before it broke down :(
[03:48] <mando> and transparent and all
[03:48] <maryen> hmm maybe it was just the early version of xgl i had used
[03:49] <maryen> mind you i had tried it 4 months ago or so
[03:49] <mando> ah ok
[03:49] <maryen> aiglx is just much easier to get working without tweaks
[03:50] <mando> will give it a shot after getting my ati driver ready
[03:50] <maryen> k
[03:51] <maryen> btw
[03:51] <maryen> mando, have you tried rain on your beryl yet?
[03:51] <maryen> its very nice
[03:51] <mando> whats rain?
[03:51] <maryen> activate it with shift+f9
[03:51] <maryen> its a water effect
[03:51] <mando> no xgl now :(
[03:51] <mando> running on kde
[03:52] <maryen> makes your desktop look like the surface of a puddle
[03:52] <mando> wow
[03:52] <mando> very cool
[03:52] <maryen> itll be working in just a bit
[03:52] <mando> 23 mb so far
[03:52] <mando> i hate slow internet connections
[03:52] <maryen> i have fiber optic with verizon
[03:52] <cellofellow_> so, anyone know how to use kxdocker?
[03:52] <maryen> 15 mb/s download speed
[03:52] <mando> when i was studying in germany this summer i was downloading at 3.5 mbps
[03:52] <mando> neat :D
[03:52] <maryen> 4 mb/s upload
[03:53] <maryen> i love it alot
[03:53] <mando> well egypt sucks.. we dont have these fast connections
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: bas yala
[03:53] <maryen> eh i know how you feel sorta
[03:53] <mando> yo cvirus
[03:53] <mando> 3amel eh
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: how is it goin' dude ?
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: not bad
[03:53] <mando> cool
[03:53] <pierreth> hello
[03:53] <CVirus> mando: I'll brb .. phone
[03:54] <mando> i tried messagin u a couple of days ago on this channel
[03:54] <mando> ok dude
[03:54] <maryen> i was living in a dorm, that while we had good speeds, every port other than 80 was blocked off
[03:54] <pierreth> Any here using gnucash?
[03:54] <maryen> meaning no irc, no chat, no p2p, no torrent, etc
[03:54] <cellofellow_> maryen: no pop/imap/smtp either?
[03:54] <mando> yeah i feel u.. in the dorms in germany it was pretty much the same..
[03:55] <maryen> cellofellow_: yep
[03:55] <mando> no i believe they leave these ports open
[03:55] <mando> damn.. thats too much
[03:55] <maryen> cellofellow_: it was draconian
[03:55] <mando> ah btw.. how do i register
[03:55] <mando> i need to be able to pm
[03:56] <campbch> . /msg nickserv register <pass>
[03:57] <cellofellow_> I just did that and screwwed up. wrong password and wrong nick. how do I unregister?
[03:58] <campbch> you... dont? just change your nick and re-register
[03:58] <cellofellow_> uh, ok. for some reason I can't sign on with the nick I usually use, cellofellow. says it's in use and I'm the only user of it.
[03:58] <Mandoz> and how do i log in?
[03:59] <campbch> :o make a violafellow?
[03:59] <maryen> ./msg nickserv identify <pass>
[03:59] <Mandoz> cool
[03:59] <campbch> shamisenfellow, if you're in an eastern mood :D
[03:59] <Ahmuck> !codecs
[03:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:59] <campbch> ack goodnight
[03:59] <Mandoz> 33.6 / 55.1 mb so far
[04:01] <cellofellow> would it be possible to change my nickserve password?
[04:01] <maryen> not without a freenode mod
[04:02] <cellofellow> oh, well.
[04:02] <otaku-san> is there something that can go through my source list and check for bad sources?
[04:02] <maryen> your status Mandoz
[04:02] <maryen> ?
[04:03] <cellofellow> so, anybody know how to configure kxdocker so that all those aliases pointing to /var/run and /poc/bus/usb and other things go away?
[04:03] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you could make a new sources.list
[04:04] <maryen> never used kxdocker
[04:04] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: the only time I tried kxdocker, I thought I right-clicked and deleted stuff
[04:05] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: or else it was in the configuration menu
[04:05] <cellofellow> I tried kooldock for a long time cause kxdocker wouldn't keep my settings, but kooldock has more bugs than an ant farm.
[04:05] <CVirus> Mandoz: with ya
[04:05] <CVirus> Mandoz: /join #EgLUG
[04:05] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: yeah, you'd think, but they come back when I restart the program.
[04:05] <Mandoz> hey sorry was on the phone
[04:05] <Mandoz> 42.1 mb
[04:05] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: no idea, then
[04:05] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon:  true...but there may be a source I need but forget it in the new list
[04:06] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: make a new one, then replace only the similar lines in your sources.list, that way you don't change the others
[04:06] <maryen> k
[04:07] <soulrider> damn
[04:07] <soulrider> i reinstalled
[04:07] <soulrider> and im still getting that error
[04:07] <Hawkwind> soulrider: What error ?
[04:08] <maryen> hey soulrider, did you install suse 10.1?
[04:08] <soulrider> cant find partition
[04:08] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Do you mean from scratch
[04:08] <soulrider> yes
[04:08] <soulrider> and it didnt install a grub
[04:08] <maryen> eww you poor man
[04:08] <sorush20> hi there is an error in my /var/lib/dpkg/status file ..
[04:08] <soulrider> so i reinsatlle dkubuntu
[04:08] <soulrider> and its all screwed up
[04:08] <soulrider> i cant access any of my OS
[04:08] <sorush20> how can I make sure its fixed please?
[04:08] <CVirus> !ati
[04:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:08] <maryen> try wiping your home partition, then reinstalling
[04:08] <maryen> back it up first of course
[04:08] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: use easysource to make a new one, and when its done compare the web page to your copy, replacing the similar lines
[04:09] <soulrider> i got 2 partitioons, one for root and one swap
[04:09] <soulrider> i dotn ahve a partition for home
[04:09] <soulrider> i see kubuntu and windows in ym grub
[04:09] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ahhh...ok I google easysource and do that
[04:09] <soulrider> but they both give me a cant mount partition error
[04:09] <otaku-san> I'll*
[04:09] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource
[04:09] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:09] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: ^^^
[04:09] <maryen> did you format your root partition when you installed ubuntu?
[04:09] <otaku-san> ...that's even better
[04:10] <silvania> heya
[04:10] <sorush20> hers is the paste for it http://pastebin.co.uk/4475
[04:10] <maryen> soulrider: ?
[04:10] <soulrider> i see my grub and my OSes, but when i press enter i get a cant mount partition error
[04:10] <soulrider> meaning i cant get  into any of OSes
[04:10] <soulrider> im using the liveCD
[04:11] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: I know some of my sources which are giving me errors..so I'll leave those out...is there some thing I could put a source into and it checks it to see if it's ok?
[04:11] <maryen> soulrider: did you format your root partition when you reinstalled ubuntu?
[04:11] <sorush20> as you can see the maintainer and version bracket is messed up, anyone don't know how it happed now I sudo apt-get -f install or remove doesn't work.. and sudo dpkg --configure -a dosen't work either
[04:11] <soulrider> of cours
[04:11] <soulrider> e
[04:11] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: not as far as I know
[04:11] <BonBonTheJon> soulrider: you can reconfigure grub
[04:12] <maryen> hmm dunno whats going on then
[04:12] <soulrider> can you help me do that ?
[04:12] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: what would it take to make such a thing...
[04:12] <maryen> shouldn't ubuntu have auto configured grub though
[04:12] <maryen> ?
[04:12] <soulrider> it does
[04:13] <soulrider> but i dunno whats happening
[04:13] <soulrider> damn suse
[04:13] <maryen> and why is his old setting remaing after he fried his root partition
[04:13] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: what if giving errors
[04:13] <soulrider> i need to solve this ASAP, especially becaus ei need tow ork with my computer
[04:13] <soulrider> i dont think running java and eclipse form the live CD is a good idea :P
[04:14] <Rakzor> Um, can I undo rm -rf /   ?
[04:14] <CVirus> maryen: I was wondering why did you ask Mandoz to remove the linux-restricted-modules ?
[04:14] <sorush20> I guess no one can help ?
[04:14] <Mandoz> maryen file downloaded successfully
[04:14] <silvania> I'm having problems with my USB mouse and i tried to search for it, but im not able to find a solution, just how to restart usb device.
[04:14] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: actually some of these on the easysource are the ones giving me errors...such as the opera one and Cipherfunk
[04:14] <silvania> USB mouse is stopping on random intervals.
[04:14] <CVirus> maryen: why are you asking him to install a driver not in the repos ?
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: just comment out those
[04:15] <soulrider> so, any ideas of what i can do witht he grub ?
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: and try it again
[04:15] <Mandoz> anyway the file is downloaded and ready to go
[04:15] <maryen> CVirus: drivers not in the repos aren't subject to the same problems as the repo drivers
[04:15] <Mandoz> whats the next step?
[04:16] <CVirus> maryen: if you dont mind ... for how long have you been using Kubuntu ?
[04:16] <maryen> kubuntu, i would say maybe half a year or longer
[04:16] <maryen> with previous experience in suse for a year and a half
[04:16] <CVirus> maryen: and for how long have you been using GNU/Linux ?
[04:16] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ok...I'll first make a back up of the source list I have...make this easysource one and update&upgrade with it...then if it works I'll use it and add any missing that I have in my old list
[04:16] <maryen> CVirus: if you wish to take over, be my guest
[04:17] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: basically the same thing...just a bit of a round way
[04:17] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you can comment a repository out and test to see if it still works
[04:17] <CVirus> maryen: no way .. I'm new to Kubuntu ... and I wanted to know how are you thinking
[04:17] <Mandoz> maryen if you'd please tell me what to do next :D
[04:17] <Rakzor> Anyone know if I can format a hdd in Kubuntu, and if so, how?
[04:17] <maryen> ok
[04:17] <maryen> mandoz: sudo apt-get update
[04:18] <BonBonTheJon> Rakzor: new hard drive
[04:18] <CVirus> Rakzor: apt-get install qtparted
[04:18] <BonBonTheJon> ?
[04:18] <Rakzor> Thanks CVirus.
[04:18] <CVirus> Rakzor: No problem
[04:18] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: true.....I just need that opera source....I'll do the comment part first then
[04:18] <maryen> Mandoz: if you want to continue on your own, im going on the instructions of method 2
[04:19] <maryen> you are at the install necessary tools part
[04:19] <Mandoz> well i'd appreciate it if u can guide me if you have the time
[04:19] <maryen> ok
[04:19] <maryen> now do sudo apt-get install module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:20] <Mandoz> okk
[04:20] <maryen> CVirus: my reasoning, is the packaged drivers are usually not as up to date as possible, as well as easily broken if linux-restricted-modules aren't kept in step
[04:21] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ahhh it's the keys causing havoc....I thought so...ok
[04:22] <maryen> reason for uninstall of linux-restricted-modules is i've had a history of it interfering with non-packaged drivers before, but i doubt it will affect him in this case, so he can probably reinstall it
[04:22] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: add the keys, hopefully it will clear up the problems
[04:22] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: I'm looking at the errors and they're all .gpg's  I'll find the keys and try that
[04:23] <BonBonTheJon> !gpg
[04:23] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[04:23] <BonBonTheJon> that didnt help
[04:23] <maryen> what are you trying to install otaku-san
[04:23] <CVirus> maryen: got that
[04:23] <maryen> what repo
[04:24] <CVirus> maryen: but why didnt test the drivers in the repos first and if they fail .. then you would proceed with the steps you
[04:24] <CVirus> you're doing right now*
[04:24] <maryen> CVirus: the drivers in the repos already broke on him
[04:24] <Mandoz> i did a fglrxinfo and it didnt show up my ati driver.. if thats a test
[04:24] <Ahmuck> w32codecs
[04:24] <Ahmuck> !w32codecs
[04:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:25] <maryen> mandoz, you finished installing that stuff?
[04:25] <CVirus> maryen: they were working before he messed with XGL .. which proves that its not the driver's fault
[04:25] <Mandoz> downloading 20 mb
[04:25] <Mandoz> almost done
[04:25] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: most of the keys I need are in the easy source...and it shows how to add a key...should for the sources not on easysource...should I google em' and see if that gets the key?
[04:25] <maryen> CVirus: they broke after he did an update
[04:25] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: what other sources do you have, can you pastebin your sources.list
[04:26] <maryen> Mandoz: ok
[04:26] <aghalab> nick antaw
[04:26] <BonBonTheJon> missed the slash
[04:26] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: yeah...and I'll comment the ones with bad keys
[04:27] <maryen> with this driver, the only time it will break during an update would be on kernel version updates, and those aren't terribly common
[04:27] <antaw> thanks
[04:29] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: well one is a kubuntu error....and there's alot of kubuntu packages...and the key gives nothing to show which one it is...so I'll just pastebin the source
[04:30] <maryen> you ready Mandoz?
[04:31] <Mandoz> 2 more minutes.. sorry.. shitty internet connection
[04:31] <maryen> np
[04:31] <flaccid> how to disable * Checking all filesystems.. on boot?
[04:31] <maryen> that should be the last of the downloading btw
[04:31] <Mandoz> i know that :D
[04:31] <maryen> lemme check
[04:32] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Here you are  http://pastebin.ca/214566
[04:32] <Mandoz> oh no i dont lol.. i just know how to disable checking fat32 paritions.. thanks to maryen
[04:32] <Fleebailey33> anyone use mol ?
[04:32] <abattoir> flaccid: edit /etc/fstab, and for the respective partition,  change the flag for checking to 0
[04:33] <abattoir> flaccid: it's generally the last one, '<pass>'
[04:33] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: do you need all of those, I've never heard of most of them
[04:33] <flaccid> thanks abbotoir
[04:34] <Mandoz> ok downloaded
[04:34] <maryen> ok now enter 'bash ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper' into konsole
[04:34] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ok.....man...your like the 5th person to say that....blame Hawkwind ;)  It's from his tut
[04:34] <maryen> oh wait
[04:35] <maryen> first change directory to wherever the driver was downloaded
[04:35] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you said you needed opera
[04:35] <thompa> has anybody tried kubuntu-64?
[04:35] <maryen> if you were using Firefox, that would be 'cd Desktop'
[04:35] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ya...I use it...so I need it to update
[04:35] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: back up you sources.list, then use easy-source to make a new one, you can copy over sources that you need in the new one as you find them
[04:36] <abattoir> thompa: yes, i've
[04:36] <Mandoz> ok
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: I think it will make life easier
[04:36] <lascar> I have no sound on my computer; alsa does not appear to be a running process.  Help, anyone?
[04:36] <thompa> abattoir: ive been trying to install thr egy rc 64, it will only boot acpi=off
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: just a suggestion
[04:36] <abattoir> otaku-san: also you don't need the deb-src entry if you don't plan on frequently downloading the sources for the packages in main, universe etc.
[04:37] <abattoir> *deb-src entries
[04:37] <thompa> abattoir: but 386 install fine
[04:37] <abattoir> thompa: the live cd?
[04:37] <thompa> if i go with acpi=off , my keyboard dont work and the install is finsihed (hopeless)
[04:37] <thompa> abattoir: yes
[04:38] <maryen> Mandoz: done?
[04:38] <Mandoz> ok done
[04:38] <Mandoz> whats next?
[04:38] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: oh well that would take off quite a bit in the source list...I'll use the easy source one with all of the packs and sources checked...
[04:38] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: that should be good for me
[04:38] <maryen> in konsole 'sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.29.6-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i fglrx-kernel-source_8.29.6-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i fglrx-control_8.29.6-1_i386.deb'
[04:38] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: make sure you back up
[04:39] <abattoir> thompa: can you check if the bug is similar to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/66929 ?
[04:39] <abattoir> thompa: if it is, then it's a known bug and should be fixed for the release
[04:39] <thompa> abattoir: my first error was mp-bios bug 8254, whcih means its a multi=processor issue, then freeze at io scheduler
[04:39] <thompa> abattoir: thanks
[04:39] <Mandoz> done
[04:39] <maryen> ok
[04:39] <lascar> I have no sound on my computer; alsa does not appear to be a running process.  Help, anyone?
[04:40] <maryen> it finished without any errors?
[04:40] <thompa> all the other earlier versions installed, this time there is no workaround that works
[04:40] <Mandoz> yes
[04:40] <maryen> ok then 'sudo rm /usr/src/fglrx-kernel*.deb'
[04:40] <Mandoz> no such file or directory
[04:40] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: everytime....and update&upgrade...one time forgot to do that...kinda borked adept for a while
[04:40] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: okay you here?
[04:40] <kkathman> yah
[04:41] <maryen> thats fine
[04:41] <kkathman> pm
[04:41] <thompa> abattoir: i think the problem is with the kernel anyway, its same on some other distros with 64 versions
[04:41] <Ahmuck> !w32codecs
[04:41] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: on the kubuntu install? and have irssi started as  screen irssi
[04:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:41] <maryen> ok mandoz almost done
[04:41] <Mandoz> cool :D
[04:41] <abattoir> thompa: oh ok, then it won't get fixed for edgy, i guess
[04:41] <lascar> !alsa
[04:41] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:41] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  yeo I started a pm with you
[04:42] <thompa> it should be patched anyway
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> hmmm it didn't come to me
[04:42] <maryen> 'sudo module-assistant prepare && sudo module-assistant update && sudo module-assistant build fglrx && sudo module-assistant install fglrx && sudo depmod -a'
[04:42] <kkathman> oh wait
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: did you pm T3hWiz0rd-server? lol
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: lol
[04:42] <maryen> in konsole
[04:42] <kkathman> yah byt I didnt identify..hold on
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: we can do it here actually
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> maybe other people will throw ideas in
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> keep it public
[04:42] <t3hwiz0rd-server> since xorg seemed to of removed itself
[04:43] <thompa> its acpi that needs to fixed, i wonder if anyone with amd 64 duo core can install it, i doubt
[04:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> get out of your screen session by hitting Control a d
[04:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> to renter screen, type screen -r
[04:43] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Hey why are there French sources in your source.list?
[04:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[04:43] <Mandoz> and done
[04:43] <maryen> ok
[04:43] <thompa> ill just stick with 386 until final then try 64 again
[04:44] <maryen> 'sudo aticonfig --initial && sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=xv
[04:44] <Mandoz> done
[04:44] <Mandoz> thats it i believe right?
[04:44] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: What's wrong with having French sources ?  There are things I need/want in other sourcs
[04:44] <maryen> say goodbye and type 'sudo shutdown -r now'
[04:44] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: and other non-US sources...do they release stuff the US sources doesn't have?
[04:45] <Mandoz> bye bye everyone :D and thanks a million maryen!!
[04:45] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Repos are repos. They can contain anything they want really.  Just depends on what that builder chooses to build
[04:45] <maryen> but yes, aside from a restart you're done
[04:46] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: ok it installed but didnt write the config file as it says that its been customized
[04:46] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: hehehe nothing...I've just always wondered if they had something else...it's a question thats been nagging on me everytime I look at my source list...kinda cool actually...I'm going to include them in my new source list
[04:46] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: and you answered it
[04:48] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: hmmm okay.
[04:48] <cellofellow> Hawkwing, you ever used kxdocker?
[04:48] <cellofellow> hawdwind
[04:48] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: I don't use KDE, sorry
[04:48] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: now, run the nvidia-glx-conf enable command
[04:48] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: then try to restart kde by doing sudo /et/init.d/kdm start
[04:48] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: but your on kubuntu forum? are you just an any-buntu person?
[04:49] <mando> and thanks to maryen.. xgl is up and running :D
[04:49] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: I use E17 as my window manager.  I use Kubuntu because I prefer to see KDE over Gnome if I need to
[04:49] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: rule of thumb in linux is if you have a shell its not broken lol
[04:49] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: aww, E17.
[04:49] <t3hwiz0rd-server> if you lose shell, THEN you're screwed lol
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> what anti-virus do people suggest
[04:50] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: nvidia-glx-conf isnt found
[04:50] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: anti-virus?
[04:50] <mando> cant thank you enough maryen
[04:50] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:50] <maryen> mando: from now on, if you notice anything about the kernel updating or anything follow the method 2 steps from bash ati-driver... to 'sudo shutdown -r now' and that will fix it
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: its for a windows machine, but I'm looking for free/open-source anti-virus
[04:51] <maryen> np mando
[04:51] <mando> cool then :D
[04:51] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: did that... says its "at its latest version"
[04:51] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: oh, uh, i've never used open source AV, but Grisoft's AVG is great and free as in beer.
[04:51] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: its nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:51] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: my bad
[04:51] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: yeah, thats my first idea
[04:51] <maryen> want to try your wireless now?
[04:52] <mando> yes please :D
[04:52] <maryen> ok first of all type iwconfig into konsole
[04:52] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: deb-src is for sources...wouldn't I want that?
[04:52] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: I don't see how an open source project could possibly maintain a good virus database. Unless they run totally on heuristic analysis...
[04:52] <mando> ok and?
[04:52] <maryen> there will be a list of names, lo, eth0, etc..
[04:53] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: only if you plan on compiling from source, most likely not
[04:53] <maryen>  do any of them have anything beside 'no wireless extensions'?
[04:53] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: oh, I remembered...what about ClamAV
[04:53] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: says "Not starting because KDE isnt the default display manager
[04:53] <maryen> if so tell me which one
[04:53] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: odd, did it install gnome?
[04:53] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: never tried it. supposed to be really good though.
[04:53] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: only time I compile is if I get it from a tar somewhere...never on adept
[04:54] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: well not adept....but you get my meaning
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: probably can leave it out
[04:54] <mando> !pastebin
[04:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:54] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: will do.
[04:54] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[04:54] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: maybe? lol
[04:54] <mando> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27741/
[04:54] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: if you need them, it is only the other lines changed to deb-src
[04:55] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server: should I do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?? even though I upgraded with gksudo update-manager -c -d ??
[04:55] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: true...true
[04:55] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: its worth a shot.
[04:55] <maryen> mando: what is your wireless network's name?
[04:55] <kkathman> methinks nalioth didnt realize I was in kubuntu desktop
[04:55] <kkathman> ok
[04:55] <mando> 3Com
[04:55] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: theres a chance its that you updated it to a ubuntu box and removed kubuntu lol
[04:56] <cellofellow> kkathman: I've read that aptitude is better at removing dependancies than apt-get. try sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <maryen> mando: any wep keys?
[04:56] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: cellofellow's got a point
[04:56] <maryen> mando: any special settings?
[04:56] <cellofellow> kkathman: if you ever want to reinstall
[04:56] <cellofellow> uninstall
[04:56] <maryen> there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with your hardware
[04:56] <mando> yeah i have a wep key
[04:57] <mando> shared
[04:57] <mando> shared key
[04:57] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  that didnt work either
[04:57] <maryen> have you set your system to use it properly?
[04:57] <Xal2> When identifying my root drive in grub, do I need to use hd for an SATA drive? or is it different?
[04:57] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  tried startx and still getting an NVIDIA error msg
[04:57] <mando> i am not sure
[04:57] <mando> i tried everything
[04:57] <mando> its text.. something like : example1.
[04:58] <mando> i use the wireless assistant and enter the wep key and still it doesnt work
[04:58] <cellofellow> kkathman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has never failed me on installing nvidia drivers
[04:58] <maryen> try disbling the wep key
[04:58] <kkathman> cellofellow:  Im baffled on that tho
[04:59] <kkathman> cellofellow:  I launch it and I guess Im not putting in the right things
[04:59] <maryen> kkathman what version ubuntu you using?
[04:59] <kkathman> I've been taking the defaults
[04:59] <maryen> 6.10?
[04:59] <kkathman> maryen  I tried to upgrade from dapper to edgy
[04:59] <cellofellow> kkathman: the program is pretty easy I think. just answer all the questions about screen type, and driver. I had to turn on kernel framebuffer to get hardware acceleration but that's my old card.
[04:59] <mando> ok brb
[04:59] <mando> i'll log in to the other network and disable the wep
[05:00] <nalioth> kkathman: ?
[05:00] <kkathman> cellofellow:  well, when do I tell it to use the nvidia-glx driver then?
[05:00] <maryen> kkathman: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-kernel* --purge and install the driver from the website
[05:00] <cellofellow> kkathman: when it's configuring the card, it ways something about drivers, default is nv, right below it is nvidia, select that.
[05:00] <ghost> hi, is there a program for kubuntu to make iso images?
[05:01] <kkathman> ugh if I remove the nvidia it also removes xserver-xorg
[05:01] <cellofellow> kkathman: what? that can't be right.
[05:01] <kkathman> cellofellow: I never get that...
[05:01] <kkathman> ok I'll try again
[05:01] <maryen> kkathman: it shouldn't do that
[05:01] <maryen> kkathman: post what it says in postbin please
[05:01] <cellofellow> kkathman: what card do you have?
[05:03] <cellofellow> just reading online news. firefox 2 scheduled for Oct. 24th.
[05:04] <maryen> cellofellow: the nvidia drivers in the repos are broken in edgy atm
[05:04] <cellofellow> kkathman's using edgy? I guess it's a little bit on the dge still.
[05:04] <maryen> ya just a bit
[05:05] <cellofellow> that's why I haven't upgraded yet. I've had enough problems with dapper, (my own fault usually.)
[05:05] <ghost> anyone know if there is a program for kubuntu to make iso images?
[05:05] <maryen> aside from having to manually install graphics drivers, edgy is more stable for me than dapper
[05:05] <xsacha> growisofs?
[05:06] <cellofellow> ghost: like a graphical program?
[05:06] <Brydenn33> whats the command to see what version of (k)ubuntu you are running?
[05:06] <ghost> not necessarily graphical
[05:06] <maryen> i wouldn't know Brydenn33
[05:06] <Brydenn33> :(
[05:07] <kkathman> nope I never get any prompt in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to choose a driver
[05:07] <Brydenn33> well i'm pretty sure i upgraded to the new release
[05:07] <maryen> where did you get your install from?
[05:07] <ghost> growisofs is the command i heard talked about before, what would be the syntax i'd need to use there
[05:07] <Brydenn33> i just wanted to make sure
[05:07] <cellofellow> Brydenn33: dunno, uname -r shows the version of linux running. maybe uname has other options too.
[05:07] <kkathman> which is why I keep saying there's something weird
[05:07] <Brydenn33> cellofellow: that just shows the kernel version
[05:07] <kkathman> cellofellow:  btw I have a nvidia FX5200
[05:07] <maryen> kkathman: did you try removing nvidia-kernel*
[05:08] <Brydenn33> kkathman: i have FX5500
[05:08] <mando_> why is my nickname used lol
[05:08] <mando_> anyway
[05:08] <xsacha> try uname -a
[05:08] <mando_> withouth wep its working
[05:08] <mando_> i am actually connected now thu my wireless connection
[05:08] <kkathman> maryen:  I can try that again, but it removes xserver-xorg when I do
[05:08] <kkathman> but I'll do that again
[05:08] <cellofellow> Brydenn33: yeah, when I said linux I meant kernel, which is what linux really is.
[05:08] <maryen> mando_: strange, i thought wep would work with an opensource driver
[05:08] <xsacha> if you're in konversation: try /sysinfo
[05:08] <Brydenn33> hehe @ cellofellow ok :)
[05:08] <mando_> but this cant be the case.. i have really annoying neighbours lol
[05:09] <maryen> kkathman: does it remove xserver-xorg-nvidia or something like that
[05:09] <maryen> ?
[05:09] <cellofellow> kkathman: what DID you install?
[05:09] <xsacha> my wireless always connects to my neighbours my default because it has stronger signal than mine lol
[05:09] <xsacha> im too lazy to change it ;) free internet
[05:09] <t3hwiz0rd-server> nalioth: X wont start for him for some reason
[05:09] <xsacha> i have a download limit, they do not
[05:10] <kkathman> maryen: also it now says  (after typing sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx) it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop also
[05:10] <kkathman> that doesnt make sense to me at all
[05:10] <maryen> kkathman: dont do nvidia-glx
[05:10] <mando_> ok how to make it work with wep?
[05:10] <cellofellow> kkathman: aparently it's broken in edgy. edgy right?
[05:10] <maryen> kkathman: do 'sudo apt-get remove nvidia-kernel* --purge'
[05:10] <maryen> and let it do as it pleases
[05:10] <kkathman> I dunno
[05:11] <kkathman> ok
[05:11] <maryen> mando_: dunno, may still be a bug in wireless in linux
[05:11] <Che-Anarch> Anyone here do any development / translation?
[05:11] <kkathman> maryen:  dies that * count at the end??
[05:11] <kkathman> does
[05:11] <maryen> yes
[05:11] <maryen> mando_: i hear wpa works, you may wanna try that
[05:11] <mando_> ok i guess ill have to live with it :(
[05:11] <mando_> will give it a try
[05:12] <cellofellow> strange, first time I installed nvidia drivers I didn;t get the kernel modules, and second time xserver didn't configure, third time went straight to reconfigure xserver-xorg and worked like a charm.
[05:12] <maryen> that or set up a mac filter so people cant leach you
[05:12] <cellofellow> nvidia legacy actually
[05:12] <maryen> cellofellow: you and kkathman's cards are considered legacy?
[05:13] <cellofellow> not his, mine though. tnt2
[05:13] <maryen> ok
[05:13] <mando_> yeah that can work aswell
[05:13] <kkathman> maryen:  looks like its going to remove kubuntu-desktop, xorg and tons of things if I do that
[05:13] <maryen> how many things exactly
[05:13] <mac_> !webcam
[05:13] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:13] <maryen> also please copy and paste what it's saying into paste-bin
[05:13] <cellofellow> kkathman: maybe forget the purge? nvidia drivers don't really have config files to purge. xserver does though
[05:16] <Ahmuck> my video is to dark in kubuntu
[05:16] <Ahmuck> i have an ati card
[05:17] <maryen> go to the display settings and adjust the gamma?
[05:17] <Xal2> I am having trouble reinstalling GRUB.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> in fedora i used xvattr or something (i forget what it was called) to lightent the settings
[05:17] <Rakzor_Away> Or contrast.
[05:17] <Xal2> I am in the grub prompt on the live CD now.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> k, i will check the display settings
[05:17] <Xal2> I have mounted my linux root partition.
[05:18] <maryen> ok cellofellow i give up on kkathman, i've lost patience and theres other things i want to do
[05:18] <maryen> cya
[05:18] <maryen> or well brb
[05:19] <cellofellow> well, I think if it uninstalls xserver-xorg then it can reinstall and be clean
[05:20] <mandoz> is there a way to further optimize the kubuntu performance?
[05:20] <cellofellow> mandoz: short of compiling the kernel?
[05:20] <maryen> back :p
[05:20] <maryen> kernel compilation is fun
[05:20] <mandoz> lol
[05:20] <maryen> more people should tinker with kernels
[05:20] <Rakzor_Away> Sure is...*sarcastic*
[05:20] <mandoz> nooo.. thats way to advanced for me
[05:20] <mandoz> i am feeling my pc is a little slower
[05:21] <mandoz> perhaps the beryl update i made
[05:21] <AsheD> I have been having some problems with amarok reading tags, and I am told I may not have UTF-8 support or something on my system [I actually use Ubuntu though] , how can I check/remedy this?
[05:21] <maryen> mandoz:
[05:21] <cellofellow> maryen: i'll mess with that later.
[05:21] <maryen> mandoz:  beryl etc makes everything slower at the moment
[05:21] <maryen> its best to not run it constantly
[05:22] <cellofellow> mandoz: it's better than Aero though. you read the requirements for Windows Vista. Ouch $$$$
[05:22] <maryen> yes but when it's finished it will run much faster and will require hardware a fraction of the strength of vista
[05:22] <cellofellow> my computer is a little slow. sometimes I kill superkaramba to speed things up
[05:23] <cellofellow> maryen: I know. my point exactly
[05:23] <BonBonTheJon> mandoz: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189192/
[05:23] <Ahmuck> gamma does not help
[05:23] <maryen> is this in kaffiene?
[05:24] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ack...it's still complaining....I seem to remember it did this when I first used this source list...just ignored it...I give up for now...I have to get off....sleep
[05:24] <maryen> nevermind i don't wanna help anyone else today
[05:24] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: hows the work coming?
[05:24] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: ok, bye
[05:24] <Ahmuck> nm, wrong monitor setting
[05:27] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:28] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: I think it tells how to fix grub, it should work for you
[05:28] <greenman> naaronbo
[05:28] <cellofellow> they took screenshot uploads off of the pastebin :-(
[05:29] <maryen> eh imageshack still works
[05:29] <Brydenn33> god i'm soooooooooooooo tipsy right now lol
[05:29] <Brydenn33> glad i can at least type straight
[05:30] <Brydenn33> i blame this beer: http://www.widmer.com/beer_brokenhalo.aspx
[05:30] <Brydenn33> haha
[05:30] <dave_> My mouse is spasstic in kubuntu?>!
[05:31] <dave_> laptop mouse!
[05:31] <dave_> IBM one
[05:31] <Brydenn33> lol
[05:31] <Brydenn33> that sucks dave
[05:31] <Brydenn33> how'd that happen?
[05:31] <BonBonTheJon> !language
[05:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:32] <dave_> well i installedit
[05:32] <Xal2> BonBonTheJon, I found that I needed to use the same drive Linux was on. Then it worked perfectly.
[05:32] <dave_> and thats what happened
[05:32] <Brydenn33> BonBonTheJon: you arent talking to me are you?
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> Brydenn33: yes you
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: so is it working?
[05:32] <dave_> no
[05:32] <Brydenn33> what did i say that wasnt family friendly? everything i've said has been PG-13
[05:33] <dave_> need mouse help?
[05:33] <dave_> !
[05:33] <Xal2> Yeah, but by using the first drive originally, I screwed up my Windows boot so now I have to repeat this process
[05:33] <Xal2> lol
[05:33] <BonBonTheJon> Xal2: good to hear you at least know what to do
[05:33] <Xal2> You said, "sucks."
[05:33] <dave_> need help!
[05:33] <BonBonTheJon> dave_: what do you mean you installed it
[05:33] <dave_> "sucks" zomg?!
[05:33] <dave_> rfmnvs
[05:33] <dave_> sdagva
[05:33] <dave_> dfsafsafdg
[05:33] <dave_> srgardt
[05:33] <dave_> hg
[05:33] <dave_> rgt43
[05:33] <dave_> te
[05:33] <Brydenn33> Xal2: haha sucks? you gotta be kidding me lmfao
[05:33] <dave_> ag
[05:33] <dave_> df
[05:33] <dave_> bs
[05:33] <dave_> SPAM
[05:33] <dave_> lol soz
[05:33] <Xal2> I figure that's why he got the warning, lol.
[05:33] <Xal2> I don't care.
[05:34] <Brydenn33> neither do i
[05:34] <Brydenn33> BonBonTheJon: is obviously a republican wacko
[05:34] <BonBonTheJon> Brydenn33: I do agree that would fly in a PG-13 movie
[05:34] <dave_> installed kubuntu, mouse went strange
[05:34] <Brydenn33> thanks BonBonTheJon
[05:34] <Brydenn33> we at least agree on 1 thing
[05:34] <Brydenn33> what does it do dave_
[05:35] <dave_> jumps around the screen, opens random apps etc
[05:35] <Brydenn33> thats nuts
[05:35] <Brydenn33> brb gotta check on the salmon i'm cooking
[05:35] <dave_> lolkay
[05:35] <BonBonTheJon> dave_: do you mean a touchpad or a mouse
[05:35] <dave_> intellipoint
[05:36] <dave_> trackpoint
[05:36] <dave_> type of thing
[05:36] <maryen> ah, rebooting on edgy is so much better than dapper
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> dave_: I have heard that there are some problems using touchpads (and trackpoint by inclusion, maybe?) in kubuntu
[05:36] <dave_> yeah, happens on other lappys too
[05:36] <dave_> :(
[05:37] <Brydenn33> what version are you running btw dave_?
[05:37] <maryen> what kinda problems?
[05:37] <Brydenn33> you running 6.06?
[05:37] <dave_> yuz
[05:37] <maryen> im using touchpad atm and no problems
[05:38] <Brydenn33> hmm
[05:38] <dave_> 6.06
[05:38] <Brydenn33> thats strange
[05:38] <dave_> lts
[05:38] <dave_> 'tis, and on some PCs it doesnt even run at all
[05:38] <dave_> (kubuntu)
[05:38] <dave_> but thats not the main prob,
[05:38] <dave_> the mouse is
[05:39] <maryen> dave_: perhaps try edgy?
[05:39] <dave_> edgy?
[05:39] <maryen> edgy eft
[05:39] <BonBonTheJon> !edgy
[05:39] <maryen> !edgy
[05:39] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[05:39] <BonBonTheJon> maryen: good timing :)
[05:39] <maryen> its on RC1 right now, so its pretty stable
[05:39] <maryen> lol i know
[05:39] <dave_> ah, yeah i saw that
[05:39] <cellofellow> maryen: yeah, whenever I shutdown usplash kind of disappears
[05:40] <dave_> but in australia, i only have 512k internet
[05:40] <VooXo> hi all
[05:40] <cellofellow> anybody know what an eft is?
[05:40] <dave_> so its annoying tod download
[05:40] <maryen> lets see if ubotu knows
[05:40] <maryen> !eft
[05:40] <ubotu> eft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt or try !edgy
[05:40] <rcarr> An electronic fund transfer
[05:40] <maryen> omg it does
[05:40] <dave_> Electronic Funds Transfer :P
[05:40] <rcarr> I WIN DAVE
[05:40] <dave_> meh
[05:40] <cellofellow> there have poison skins
[05:40] <maryen> no i win
[05:40] <dave_> btw my names shane
[05:40] <dave_> lol
[05:40] <rcarr> Now I have the rights to your first born son!
[05:40] <rcarr> woooo
[05:40] <rcarr> ...ornot
[05:41] <dave_> ehh
[05:41] <dave_> kay
[05:41] <maryen> i won through the powers of ubotu
[05:41] <dave_> well that might take, say 10-15 years...
[05:41] <dave_> (the son thing)
[05:41] <rcarr> Haha
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> so any ideas?
[05:42] <cellofellow> kxdocker is cool, except these aliases to nothing in particular that don't go away: http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7563/kxdockerwi8.jpg:
[05:42] <maryen> !drake
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> ah well, dave wantsta do other things
[05:42] <rcarr> I was really hoping for ubuntu fuzzy ferret
[05:42] <VooXo> i have problems with starting live variant of my kubuntu 6.06 -- my mouse doesn't work and i need 800x600 resolution... what is the command for reconfiguring the x server?
[05:42] <cellofellow> drake's a male duck
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> Drake is a good linear amp!
[05:42] <rcarr> Drake is a dragon!
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> :O
[05:42] <rcarr> or a male duck
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> bye!
[05:42] <VooXo> anyone...?
[05:42] <mynameisSHANE> yeah
[05:43] <mynameisSHANE> well
[05:43] <mynameisSHANE> or its a liunux thing... ~~~~
[05:43] <mynameisSHANE> BYENOW
[05:43] <rcarr> VooXo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:43] <cellofellow> is 7.whatsit really Feisty Fawy?
[05:43] <cellofellow> Fawn
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: yeah, 7.04 is Feisty Fawn
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> !feisty
[05:43] <ubotu> feisty is the codename for ubuntu 7.04
[05:43] <VooXo> ok... that's for the resolution... but, how do i set my mouse to be SERIAL and not PS/2, as it is by default?
[05:44] <cellofellow> interesting codename
[05:44] <rcarr> It will always be Fuzzy Ferret in my heart
[05:44] <rcarr> VooXo: err, i don't know anything about serial mice, but it would be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:45] <rcarr> VooXo: Open it with vim or nano or something http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse4.html
[05:45] <rcarr> Vooxo: Provides useful documentation
[05:45] <cellofellow> VooXo: just do a sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when it asks about mice say it's a serial mouse and it works like a charm.
[05:45] <cellofellow> rcarr: Fuzzy Ferret?
[05:45] <rcarr> rcarr: I was hoping that w*o uld bbe the name of Edgy+1
[05:45] <rcarr> err
[05:45] <VooXo> but i think it doesn't ask about mouse, at all... o_O as long as i remember...
[05:46] <rcarr> cellofellow: I was hoping that would be the name of Edgy+1, but it's Feisty Fawn
[05:46] <AsheD> I have been having some problems with amarok reading tags, and I am told I may not have UTF-8 support or something on my system [I actually use Ubuntu though] , how can I check/remedy this?
[05:46] <rcarr> VooXo: You can open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit as mentioned: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse4.html
[05:46] <VooXo> thanks..
[05:46] <rcarr> AsheD: I think ubuntu has had UTF-8 as default since...breezy badger
[05:46] <cellofellow> rcarr: seems to be going in alphabetical order now. dapper, edgy, feisty, what's next? giddy?
[05:47] <AsheD> rcarr:: then do you have a better explanation as why this doesn't work?
[05:47] <rcarr> Cellofellow: Galvanizing Goat?
[05:47] <cellofellow> rcarr: lol
[05:47] <rcarr> Ashed: Not without any more specifics, but the UTF-8 thing seems unlikely
[05:47] <cellofellow> rcarr: doesn't work. gavanizing's a verb, and it's always an adjective
[05:48] <rcarr> Cellofellow: Good point
[05:48] <VooXo> after reconfiguring x server, how do i restart it?
[05:48] <cellofellow> rcarr: I would say Grumpy Goose but that's not really a good image.
[05:48] <VooXo> what to do before "startx" command?
[05:49] <AsheD> basically, I have my music named with what I believe to be ISO 8859-1 encoding [Ubuntu's character map on the "Latin" set] , and I used id3v2 to create tags for the music, but they don't show correctly in amarok, so there is a disconnect somewhere
[05:49] <rcarr> cellofellow: Grumpy Groundhog is the name of a permanently in development distro to be released at some point
[05:49] <cellofellow> VooXo: better to use kdm and go to terminal 7
[05:49] <rcarr> cellofellow:It pulls source directly from revision control and compiles daily
[05:49] <VooXo> cellofellow explain please
[05:49] <rcarr> cellofellow: Like an even more unstable debian sid
[05:49] <t3hwiz0rd-server> cellofellow: did kkathman get booted?
[05:49] <cellofellow> t3hwiz0rd-server: dunno
[05:49] <rcarr> VooXo: Run kdm --no-daemon rather than startx
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: Requires root privelages
[05:50] <VooXo> ok, but, will xserver be restarted?
[05:50] <Brydenn33> does anyone have a link or knowledge of exactly what the differences are between 6.06 and 6.10?
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: Oh, it's already up?
[05:50] <cellofellow> VooXo: then go to vt:7 with ctrl+alt+F7
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: If it was startted by the boot process
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:50] <rcarr> VooXo: If you started it with startx, sudo killall xorg
[05:50] <cellofellow> VooXo: that should work, what rcarr said
[05:51] <rcarr> And killall is safe in this situation! because I have never heard of a multiuser live cd!
[05:51] <VooXo> thanks... :)
[05:51] <rcarr> Before someone yells at me for using sudo and killall
[05:51] <kkathman> wheeeeeeeeee!
[05:51] <cellofellow> rcarr: used to use it all the time before figureing out /etc/init.d/
[05:51] <cellofellow> kkathman: good to go
[05:51] <cellofellow> ??
[05:52] <kkathman> good to go
[05:52] <kkathman> really was simple after all
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: does it work?
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: yay!
[05:52] <kkathman> yep
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kkathman: hurray for irssi eh? lol
[05:52] <cellofellow> kkathman: you got some 3D hardware acceleration doing?
[05:52] <cellofellow> irssi saved me a lot
[05:52] <VooXo> one more question: anyone knows where can i find lucent modem drivers for this distro? o_O
[05:52] <t3hwiz0rd-server> irssi  is gods gift to geek
[05:52] <kkathman> t3hwiz0rd-server:  actuall I called nalioth... he got it working
[05:53] <t3hwiz0rd-server> lol..
[05:53] <Kyral> t3hwiz0rd-server: no
[05:53] <Kyral> t3hwiz0rd-server: irssi + screen is :P
[05:53] <christopher> hi all, I just installed kuduntu, I'm just wondering why I can't ctrl+alt+F1-6 into terminals...don;t most linux distros let you do that?
[05:53] <cellofellow> what is "screen"
[05:53] <Kyral> !screen
[05:53] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[05:53] <rcarr> christopher: Never heard of kubuntu not letting you do that
[05:53] <cellofellow> christopher: works for me
[05:53] <rcarr> christopher: did you select somethingg like "single user mode"
[05:53] <christopher> I just get a blank screen
[05:53] <Kyral> ....why the fuck do they call it a "terminal multiplexer"
[05:53] <rcarr> Kyral: Because that's what it is?
[05:54] <kkathman> kinda odd tho
[05:54] <VooXo> rcarr lucent modem drivers...? o_O
[05:54] <Brydenn33> k guess i found my answer
[05:54] <christopher> rcarr, not sure
[05:54] <kkathman> adept keeps saying there are updates
[05:54] <Kyral> christopher: ahh, thats because the framebuffer for the terminals is using the same driver as the X Server
[05:54] <rcarr> VooXo: ?
[05:54] <cellofellow> does it make it so I can do more than one thing per virtual terminal?
[05:54] <Kyral> so they block each other (same thing happens to me on Arch occassionlly)
[05:54] <kkathman> but when it brings up 3 things...it says "no changes"
[05:54] <Brydenn33> for any who want to know the big differences between 6.06 and 6.10 here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta
[05:54] <christopher> Kyral, how can I change the driver for the termianl?
[05:55] <VooXo> rcarr do you know maybe where could i find lucent modem drivers for this 6.06 version of kubuntu...?
[05:55] <christopher> Kyral, err, framebuffer
[05:55] <Kyral> cellofellow: it also allows you to detach the Screen session from one terminal and reattach it to another
[05:55] <rcarr> VooXo: No, sorry, only suggestion is google
[05:55] <Kyral> christopher: I usually just disable the FB\
[05:55] <cellofellow> Kyral: wow. I thought konsole was powerful.
[05:55] <christopher> Kyral, how can I do that under ubuntu?
[05:55] <Kyral> Irssi + Screen + SSH Server == AWESOMENESS
[05:56] <VooXo> rcarr i can find some drivers for lucent, but almost all of them are for older kernels... any way to compile them under newer kernel?
[05:56] <cellofellow> Kyral: wish X could do something like that, move app from vt:7 to SSH or something like that.
[05:56] <Kyral> run Irssi in Screen on the server, then when you wanna talk on Irssi, SSH in and reattach the session to your terminal :P
[05:56] <rcarr> No, no automatic conversion, unless by older you mean older 2.6 series
[05:56] <rcarr> err, that was for VooXo
[05:56] <Kyral> christopher: I dunno..sorry
[05:56] <christopher> Kyral, thank anyway
[05:57] <VooXo> rcarr no, there are a lot ofr drivers for 2.4 kernels.. o_O
[05:57] <cellofellow> Kyral: y'know if there's something like the detachement/reattachement thing in the works for X. maybe X12 (if it is even thought of)
[05:57] <cellofellow> ?
[05:57] <Kyral> cellofellow: Nope don't know
[05:58] <Kyral> VNC comes closest
[05:58] <cellofellow> Is there someone working on X12?
[05:58] <cellofellow> or is that XGL?
[05:58] <Kyral> Its XOrg now
[05:58] <cellofellow> never mind, foot in mouth
[05:59] <rcarr> Cellofellow: Nice save
[05:59] <cellofellow> Kyral: but I thought X.Org was the maintainers of the X11 system and protocols.
[05:59] <rcarr> Cellofellow: There are revisions of the standard, like R6 R7 etc
[05:59] <rcarr> cellofellow: They are, and the xorg server is the reference implementation
[06:00] <cellofellow> rcarr: I thought the revisions were something to do with xfree86
[06:00] <rcarr> cellofellow: Everyone uses it though, because the developoer of the other decent server xfree86 got all ass like and stuff
[06:00] <ubahmapk> If I remember correctly, I think, technically, x.org was a fork, but X11 has been abandoned...
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: no, X11 IS NOT A PROGRAM
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: X11 is a protocol, like http
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: XF86 and Xorg, implement X11
[06:00] <ubahmapk> rcarr: interesting
[06:00] <rcarr> ubahmapk: And Xorg does revisions of X11, i.e. r4 r5 r6
[06:00] <ubahmapk> rcarr: hadn't heard it like that before
[06:00] <cellofellow> so, is there an X12 is the works in the computer labs of some university somewhere or something?
[06:01] <rcarr> cellofellow: Not that I know of, just a new revision of X11
[06:01] <rcarr> cellofellow: There was never an X1/X2/X3/X4, etc
[06:01] <cellofellow> oh, well, wishful thinking
[06:01] <rcarr> Sorry for the caps, it wasn't screaming
[06:01] <rcarr> just emphasis
[06:01] <cellofellow> rcarr: I think I once heard of X9 and X10
[06:01] <cellofellow> rcarr: from the 80,s didn't last long
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> yeah X11 is not a version number its just a name for a protocol
[06:02] <maryen> who here owns a cat?
[06:02] <rcarr> I do!
[06:02] <maryen> hooray!
[06:02] <ubahmapk> ditto
[06:02] <maryen> aren't cats the greatest?
[06:02] <rcarr> cellofellow: I don't think so...X11 is pretty old itself
[06:02] <cellofellow> my family has three cats. they kind of suck
[06:02] <ubahmapk> maryen: dogs.  dogs are the greatest
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> I like cats but they are off my list because of alergies
[06:03] <DaSkreech> cellofellow: Those were planes
[06:03] <DaSkreech> !offtopi
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtopi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <DaSkreech> !offtopic
[06:03] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:03] <cellofellow> rcarr: I'm pretty sure there was something on Wikipedia about X starting at 1 off of the really old W.
[06:03] <maryen> ubahmapk: no! my dogs never came up to me and snuggled into me to go to sleep because they were lonely
[06:03] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: ok, ok
[06:03] <rcarr> cellofellow: Wikipedia is infalliable! :p
[06:03] <ubahmapk> maryen: however, my cat did give me a great laugh tonight when she tried to drink my coffee from this morning
[06:03] <ubahmapk> ok, enough about cats
[06:03] <ubahmapk> sorry
[06:03] <cellofellow> rcarr: was that sarcastic?
[06:04] <rcarr> cellofellow: Yes
[06:04] <DaSkreech> ubahmapk: say waht you want about them Just do it in O-T :-)
[06:04] <ubahmapk> DaSkreech: right.
[06:04] <DaSkreech> maryen: Maybe but again talk about then in O-T
[06:04] <rcarr> cellofellow:I actually like wikipedia, just it frequently has sinaccurate stuff
[06:04] <cellofellow> rcarr: yeah, I know
[06:04] <DaSkreech> sinaccurate!!
[06:04] <DaSkreech> I claim that word!
[06:04] <maryen> thems fighting words linux_galore
[06:05] <rcarr> sine of accurate?
[06:05] <rcarr> sorry?
[06:05] <rcarr> oh
[06:05] <rcarr> I typed that
[06:05] <rcarr> ...right
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !away
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> lets be honest cats or no more than a warm blooded parasitic organsim
[06:06] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> organism*
[06:06] <maryen> >:( someones cruisin for a bruisin
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> cats like "some" dogs specialise in a social relationship (fooling mugs) into handing them out food and housing as a survival mechanism
[06:08] <maryen> Linux_Galore: not true, one of my cats grew really attached to another animal (dog) i took in for a couple of weeks, and when i gave him up, she started starving herself
[06:08] <maryen> Linux_Galore: i had to force feed her for a week and a half before she would eat normally again
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> maryen: so you then spend more time and money mangeing the animal, your such a sucker
[06:09] <rcarr> I think both of you are making the assumption
[06:09] <rcarr> that a cat is capable of thought
[06:09] <mrvw0169> cat's aren't capable of thought?
[06:09] <VooXo[a] > can i compile modem drivers for 2.6.12, but on 2.6.15?
[06:09] <mrvw0169> *cats
[06:09] <maryen> Linux_Galore: i care about said animal and have done so since i found her as a kitten
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> maryen: your relationship with a parsitic mamal I find very boring
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> parasitic *
[06:10] <rcarr> This is way off topic now
[06:10] <VooXo[a] > rcarr can i compile modem drivers for 2.6.12, but on 2.6.15?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Yes it is
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> I agree move on
[06:10] <maryen> Linux_Galore: strange, i could've sworn parasites don't refuse to eat, kinda results in em dieing
[06:10] <rcarr> Maryen: sudo cat /dev/food > /dev/cat
[06:11] <rcarr> Linux_Galore: sudo rm /dev/cat
[06:11] <rcarr> Problems solved
[06:11] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Quite possibly
[06:11] <maryen> can't move, have one snuggled into me and sleeping :)
[06:11] <DaSkreech> maryen: You can type /join #kubuntu-offtopic though
[06:11] <rcarr> maryen: sudo mv /dev/cat /mnt/floor
[06:12] <VooXo[a] > on site http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/Ubuntu/ there are packages with *.deb extension - what are those? o_O
[06:12] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : The packages used by apt, you can install them with sudo dpkg -i
[06:12] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : They come from debian, which ubuntu is based off
[06:12] <VooXo[a] > they're for 2.6.12 - can i install them on 2.6.15?
[06:13] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : No, you need to get the source and compile them for 2.6.15
[06:14] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Grab build-essential, and it should be a simple matter of make, make install
[06:14] <VooXo[a] > build-essential ?
[06:14] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : then sudo depmod -a, then modprobe the module name, you can add it to /etc/modules to modprobe at startup
[06:14] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : A package, i.e. sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:15] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : It will grab gcc, the kernel headers (needed for compiling modules) etc
[06:15] <rcarr> VooXo[a] :  It is on the CD
[06:15] <VooXo[a] > i do that with the source or..?
[06:15] <VooXo[a] > ok, got it..
[06:16] <VooXo[a] > there are some sources for 2.6 with "alk" sign - what's "alk"
[06:16] <VooXo[a] > ?
[06:16] <VooXo[a] > there are alk 4,6,7,8
[06:17] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Can you link me to what you mean?
[06:17] <VooXo[a] > http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/   -what of those to download?
[06:19] <rcarr> not...sure, try 8? (pure guess)
[06:19] <VooXo[a] > what's the difference between those alks?
[06:19] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : Not sure
[06:20] <VooXo[a] > ok, when i download it and extract it - what to do next? i need right commands coz i need to restart my pc and to run kubuntu...
[06:20] <rcarr> there is probably an Install file you can read
[06:20] <rcarr> but
[06:20] <rcarr> in the directory
[06:20] <rcarr> with build-essential installed
[06:20] <rcarr> make
[06:20] <rcarr> then make install
[06:20] <rcarr> err
[06:21] <rcarr> sudo make install
[06:21] <rcarr> then sudo depmod -a
[06:21] <rcarr> then sudo modprobe modulename
[06:21] <rcarr> module name is probably ltmodem
[06:21] <VooXo[a] > k
[06:21] <VooXo[a] > so, there are probably binaries included?
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : No
[06:22] <VooXo[a] > "build-essentials?
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : I meant a text file, named install with instructions
[06:22] <VooXo[a] > ok, ok...
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : you install that with sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : It contains a compiler, and the kernel headers that you need to compile drivers
[06:22] <VooXo[a] > ok
[06:22] <rcarr> VooXo[a] : You will need the CD in and stuff to do that, as you don't have internet
[06:23] <VooXo[a] > ok... thanks alot... i'm gonna go and restart pc...
[06:23] <VooXo[a] > good night ;)
[06:23] <rcarr> good luck
[06:23] <codewritinfool> kubuntu is awesome
[06:24] <maryen> we should be able to update our repos without superuser
[06:24] <maryen> yes
[06:25] <TheUni> is there a tentative date for final release?
[06:25] <maryen> 26th
[06:25] <TheUni> oh wow
[06:26] <TheUni> trying so hard to hold off till then, heh
[06:26] <maryen> i would say its safe to upgrade now
[06:26] <maryen> 97% of the bugs should be out by RC
[06:26] <TheUni> only thing i'm worried about is vmware
[06:26] <maryen> especially if they plan to have only one RC
[06:26] <TheUni> it still work ok?
[06:26] <maryen> what about it?
[06:26] <rcarr> maryen: Why should you be able to update your repos without superuser :\
[06:27] <maryen> well how can apt-get update hurt you
[06:27] <maryen> in the least
[06:27] <rcarr> maryen: A malicious non super user could add some false dependency of a malicious package on his own repo to a valid package
[06:27] <christopher> gah, what are the standard opengl libraries called in adept? if I search opengl I don't get them and gl give 1000000 options
[06:27] <TheUni> maryen: because vmware isnt in the repos. i had to do a manual install. don't want to break vmware.
[06:27] <maryen> and then update your machine?
[06:28] <rcarr> well, when you updated it as super user, or installed said package or whatever
[06:28] <rcarr> it's not so much that apt-get update can hurt you, as that the reason it has to run as
[06:28] <maryen> TheUni: vmware-player is in the repos
[06:28] <TheUni> maryen: i use vmware server
[06:28] <TheUni> guess i dont have to though...
[06:28] <rcarr> a superuser is because it modifies files that having everyone able to edit would not be so great
[06:28] <rcarr> TheUni: Vmware server is fine for me in edgy and has bbeen for a month
[06:29] <rcarr> Gah, keyboard is being wierd
[06:29] <TheUni> does player do everything that server does as far as running 1 instance?
[06:29] <TheUni> really? rcarr: in the repos?
[06:29] <maryen> rcarr: wouldnt the same scenario be applicable with a person needing to sudo apt-get update?
[06:29] <rcarr> maryen: Yes, but you don't give non trusted users the ability to sudo?
[06:29] <maryen> they could still put a malicious dependency in and half the ubuntu community would upgrade it
[06:29] <rcarr> maryen: No that's not what I meant
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: I meant in the local file on y our computer that stores dependencies and stuff
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: When you isntall a package it checks that, not the server
[06:30] <maryen> and how would update hurt that file
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: Update has to modify the file
[06:30] <maryen> it justs checks the server lists
[06:30] <rcarr> maryen: So if you let update ruun without root privelages, then the file has to be editable by a non root user
[06:31] <maryen> so, put it in a universal user level account
[06:31] <thompa> grub error 18 on sata at cold boot
[06:31] <maryen> such as update
[06:31] <thompa> i dont believe my hard drive is bad
[06:32] <thompa> these asus boards built for HP are useless
[06:32] <thompa> i can boot from usb though which is alright
[06:33] <maryen> i remember reading somewhere about troubles with early sata boards but i can't remember much about it
[06:33] <thompa> why arent there any bios options on Hps
[06:33] <thompa> maryen: probably me
[06:33] <DaSkreech> maryen: You want apt to keep the list for each user?
[06:34] <maryen> more like keep the list in a place where anyone with user priveledges can reach it
[06:34] <thompa> i physically broke one of the sata connecttors by accident
[06:34] <thompa> they suck, cant grip them
[06:35] <maryen> like an account named "update" that contains the updates list for all to see
[06:35] <thompa> and if you put in the second IDE drive you cant find the bios reset
[06:36] <thompa> it just does not boot into this sata drive with kubuntu if its been off a while which is weird
[06:36] <thompa> but if its off a few secs its ok
[06:37] <thompa> I just have to leave it on i guess
[06:37] <cellofellow> Kyral: now I see what you meen by screen being a geeks best friend
[06:37] <maryen> DaSkreech: why, is there something im missing that would put the user at great risk of exploits?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> maryen: I'm just not seeing the point
[06:38] <toad_> can someone help me with a little problem?
[06:38] <maryen> DaSkreech: well, it would be nicer to be able to see if your system has updates without having to enter a root password
[06:38] <DaSkreech> maryen: I think it already does that
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Lord knows I hardly update and adept_updater keeps telling me I have updates
[06:39] <thompa> kubuntu-64 RC wont boot live, unless I do acpi=off, but then keyboard not work unless I get USB
[06:39] <maryen> adept_updater doesn't search for updates all that often for me
[06:40] <maryen> i often find it won't find em till i do a apt-get update
[06:40] <maryen> but then again updates are more important to me since im running a developmental version
[06:40] <bob0> can you install any version of Photosop with wine?
[06:40] <toad_> Sometimes when i run a program the icon bounces then goes away. then if i run it again it works fine.
[06:41] <kkathman> i dont think so... check out frankscorner.org for wine details
[06:41] <rcarr> CS2 is reported to work bob0
[06:41] <cellofellow2> yippeee! screen is SWEET. UNIX kills DOS so hard. KDE kills windows too.
[06:41] <maryen> indeed
[06:41] <bob0> i have CS i tried to install and it froze
[06:41] <thompa> where is system disks gui thing?
[06:41] <maryen> try crossover office bob0
[06:42] <bob0> maryen: whats that
[06:42] <maryen> its a branch of wine that deals with making productivity applications for windows work in linux
[06:42] <thompa> cellofellow: you running the RC?
[06:42] <cellofellow2> does anybody know how to get Google's Picasa with Web Albums support for Linux? I can't find it anywhere.
[06:42] <maryen> its more likely to work than plain wine
[06:43] <maryen> but it costs moneys
[06:43] <cellofellow2> wine for normal stuff, cedaga for games, crossover office for the likes of MS office and photoshop
[06:43] <kkathman> cellofellow2:  I used that on suse, and got it from the picasa website
[06:43] <cellofellow2> kkathman: I got mine from the picasa website, but there's no web albums button.
[06:44] <kkathman> ohh, I have an older version I guess
[06:44] <toad_> Sometimes when i run a program the icon bounces then goes away. then if i run it again it works fine.  How can i fix it?
[06:44] <kkathman> cellofellow2  have you looked at flock??
[06:44] <cellofellow2> toad_: that happens to me too sometimes. grrrrr...
[06:45] <maryen> toad_: it means something went wrong with the program as it was loading
[06:45] <cellofellow2> kkathman: does it have Picasa web albums features?
[06:45] <maryen> toad_: to see what's going on, start the program from the cli
[06:45] <kkathman> toad_:  sometimes, it means that the program is still running from a previous execution, try doing a ctrl-esc and look for the program, and if its running, kill it.
[06:46] <toad_> ill give all those suggestions a shot. thanks everyone
[06:46] <cellofellow2> in my experience kdesu is the program that does that most
[06:46] <kkathman> cellofellow2 it was built into the version, but I hear its been enhanced recently
[06:46] <fignew> wow... I never knew about ctrl+esc :)
[06:46] <kkathman> :)
[06:46] <maryen> neither did i, but i did know about ksysguard
[06:46] <cellofellow2> kkathman: I've never looked into Flock
[06:47] <kkathman> flock.org I think...kinda interesting :)
[06:47] <maryen> either way, a quicker way into it is always appreciated
[06:47] <maryen> is flock more than a sparkly firefox now?
[06:47] <cellofellow2> kkathman: I mostly use Firefox, konqueror sometimes,
[06:47] <kkathman> yah ctrl-esc brings up the process table only of ksysguard
[06:48] <cellofellow2> whatya all think of iceweasel?
[06:48] <kkathman> cellofellow2 yah I typically use Opera for browsing, but must use Konq to view inline videos
[06:48] <maryen> its flock.com
[06:48] <kkathman> sorry... hehe
[06:48] <kkathman> forgot
[06:48] <cellofellow2> I think iceweasel is a bunch of crap myself
[06:49] <maryen> if iceweasel's development outstrips firefox's, plus is compatible with firefox extensions, color me excited for it
[06:49] <cellofellow2> maryen: if it gets much different than firefox, extensions wont match,
[06:50] <maryen> i think they can find a way to keep the extension system compatible
[06:50] <maryen> plus its kinda crappy what mozilla corp. is doing
[06:51] <cellofellow2> maybe GNU and Debian will convince them to change
[06:51] <thompa> i had to remove totem to get the radio stations to work
[06:51] <maryen> debian/ubuntu should be able to outfit old versions of firefox with the latest security patches even if mozilla doesnt release any.
[06:52] <thompa> or maybe its a real player problem, but bbc wont work otherwise
[06:53] <maryen> its not fair that users of (for example) hoary, should have to watch as their ubuntu install slowly becomes more and more insecure
[06:53] <cellofellow2> well, the name IceWeasel. Ice is the opposite of fire, and weasels kind of like to take shiny things
[06:53] <thompa> why dont they support linux
[06:53] <thompa> embedded player does not work unless you install real player
[06:53] <maryen> cellofellow2: my understanding is iceweasel was originally a joke, and for some reason the community just took to it
[06:54] <cellofellow2> maryen: hope that's the case
[06:54] <thompa> !compiz
[06:54] <maryen> thompa: why not mplayer with w32codecs installed
[06:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:54] <maryen> don't use compiz, it's already been whipped by beryl
[06:55] <thompa> maryen: unless they fixed something it wont work
[06:55] <thompa> the only way is to install real player, then remove totem
[06:55] <thompa> or otherway around
[06:56] <bob0> can someone tell me how to run an autoplay off a cd in wine?
[06:56] <maryen> if totem works, so should kaffiene
[06:57] <maryen> bob0: right-click the autoplay.exe and choose open with... and type wine?
[06:57] <bob0> dosnt run it
[06:57] <maryen> why not use kaffiene instead thompa
[06:57] <sheft> Hey, is it just me sourceforge doesnt work for?
[06:57] <thompa> maryen: real player embeded player warning
[06:58] <thompa> maryen: for example, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/innewmusicwetrust/stevelamacq/
[06:58] <thompa> maryen: can you play that?
[06:58] <maryen> gimme a sec
[06:58] <thompa> in konqueror it wont work
[06:59] <maryen> !w32codecs
[06:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:59] <thompa> but try it anyway , see what it says, it only works in firefox and real player i think
[07:00] <thompa> ill try the codecs, but i  di dthat some months ago
[07:01] <maryen> why not use the wmp broadcast in this instance
[07:01] <maryen> ?
[07:04] <maryen> ok i can't get it to play in any situation
[07:05] <thompa> maryen: its a bbc embedded player
[07:06] <thompa> only works with real player i think, been that way for years
[07:06] <thompa> but they use linux too so i dont get it
[07:06] <maryen> thompa: the best ubuntu package solution it looks like you're gonna get is the helix-player plugin
[07:08] <maryen> helix-player is a project related to real player
[07:08] <thompa> its same program
[07:08] <thompa> they have 64 version coming up
[07:08] <maryen> i thought helix-player was supposed to be open source
[07:08] <thompa> it is I guess
[07:09] <thompa> helix was exactly same last i tried it
[07:10] <thompa> you have to uninstall totem if your in ubuntu, or it wont work
[07:10] <Xal> Is kernel 2.6.15 the latest precompiled kernel version for the current release of Kubuntu?
[07:11] <thompa> 2.6.17-10-generic on the RC
[07:12] <Xal> What is RC?
[07:12] <thompa> i think this is release candidate for kubuntu edgy
[07:12] <Xal> oh ok
[07:12] <thompa> i installed ubuntu first though
[07:12] <Xal> Would it be a bad idea to already upgrade to edgy?
[07:12] <kkathman> i did it today
[07:12] <sheft> Hey, is it just me sourceforge doesnt work for?? only downloadlink i have there is Kent, and it  doesnt answer =(
[07:13] <Xal> Does everything still work right?
[07:13] <thompa> Xal: dont know for sure
[07:13] <kkathman> Xal:  its in RC status
[07:13] <Xal> So it's near done
[07:13] <kkathman> so that means...well. mostly its done with a few bug fixes
[07:13] <Xal> I hope it's better than Microsoft's RC :p
[07:13] <thompa> i got issues with one my sata but its kernel related i think
[07:14] <Xal> I wonder if edgy currently solves the jmicron problem
[07:14] <thompa> what was the next best thing after compiz?
[07:14] <Xal> To upgrade, I just change dapper to edgy in my repos and do a full upgrade, correct?
[07:15] <rawrness> be very carefull xal......
[07:15] <thompa> Xal: are you running amd64?
[07:15] <maryen> thompa: even set up correctly, helixplayer claims it can't read the stream and i need to use real player
[07:15] <rawrness> i just screwd my whole system trying to update
[07:15] <kkathman> I had a little trouble with the upgrade, but with some help, Im up and running just fine with edgy
[07:15] <thompa> maryen: so now you know
[07:15] <Xal> thompa, no
[07:15] <thompa> maryen: its been the same for a year
[07:16] <Xal> I'll be running a conroe, but not with 64bit. There's not really a point to it at this time.
[07:16] <maryen> helixplayer is just the dog of the realplayer creators
[07:16] <thompa> maybe real player own BBC or something
[07:16] <thompa> who knows
[07:16] <Xal> When you said AMD64, were you referring to the x64-86 architecture?
[07:17] <thompa> Xal: are you running kubuntu-64
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> BBC is owned by the UK gov
[07:17] <Xal> rawrness, be careful of what?
[07:17] <Xal> thompa, no
[07:17] <Xal> Is there something I need to do prior to that?
[07:17] <thompa> Xal: back up your data is all
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> I download mp3's from the bbc all the time
[07:17] <rawrness> Xal:  that your repos are right :P
[07:17] <maryen> dear god, the only thing helix player can play is ogg files
[07:18] <Xal> rawrness, haha, that could suck
[07:18] <Xal> I'll triple check ^^
[07:18] <rawrness> Xal: I know
[07:18] <maryen> which every other media player on linux does, and does a better job of too
[07:18] <rawrness> From expernice
[07:18] <thompa> Xal: if your going to back up your data, but just reinstall
[07:18] <thompa> takes just as long
[07:18] <sheft> Hey,  how do I turn of this beep sound when i press tab in the konsole?
[07:18] <Xal> I'm not going to backup anything. I have a seperate partition for data
[07:18] <Xal> It makes things easier for me.
[07:19] <Xal> Oh yeah, do I run dist-upgrade or just upgrade?
[07:19] <maryen> dist-upgrade
[07:19] <thompa> Xal: i do that and turn it off in bios even
[07:19] <rawrness> Tryed to update , screwd system ,  tryed  ubuntu alternet install no  gui, dug around found kubuntu dapper alt. cd
[07:19] <maryen> and welcome to edgy Xal
[07:19] <thompa> that way i dont get the sata messed up
[07:20] <rawrness> Is not the offical release date for the edgy the 26?
[07:20] <unix_infidel> !edgy
[07:20] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:20] <maryen> iti is
[07:20] <unix_infidel> !schedule
[07:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:21] <unix_infidel> sounds about righto
[07:21] <rawrness> Perhaps the cd will work better then
[07:21] <thompa> the 64 bit version wont boot
[07:21] <thompa> ive tried for about 4 hours
[07:22] <thompa> maybe they were bad cds , dont know
[07:22] <greenman> bad cds, sure!!!!
[07:22] <rawrness> thompa:  you try installing with cds?
[07:22] <Xal> maryen, ^^
[07:23] <rawrness> i didn't get the alt x86 one work right either
[07:24] <thompa> rawrness: the rc works fine here
[07:24] <rawrness> thompa:  ahhh
[07:24] <rawrness> i had no fun though no gui :P
[07:25] <thompa> i mean i386 , had no problems, but im on amd64 duo core, and want to run amd64.iso
[07:25] <rawrness> just rawrness login:
[07:25] <greg_> Could someone help with ndiswrapper problems?
[07:25] <rawrness> perhaps il ask in edgy
[07:25] <thompa> rawrness: maybe i dont notice mutch difference in amd64, but want to know its working
[07:26] <thompa> rawrness: what was the error?
[07:26] <rawrness> of course people like things to work
[07:26] <thompa> did you try acpi=off
[07:26] <rawrness> thompa:  just left me at a screen
[07:26] <Fleebailey33> can someone help me with mac-on-linux?
[07:26] <rawrness> acpi?
[07:26] <rawrness> !acpi
[07:26] <Xal> To run 64bit, is there more to it than a kernel change?
[07:26] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[07:27] <thompa> rawrness: you were asking about that earlier
[07:27] <thompa> or was that someone else
[07:27] <rawrness> pehaps some one else
[07:27] <thompa> donload the ubuntu rc and reburn it
[07:28] <thompa> rawrness: i had to format my hard drive and reboot
[07:28] <kkathman> anyone use the nvidia-glx in edgy right now?
[07:28] <thompa> then run gparted
[07:28] <rawrness> Fun
[07:29] <rawrness> thank goodness for data partions
[07:29] <thompa> also i had to disable sata controllers in bios
[07:30] <rawrness> :P
[07:30] <thompa> if i disable sata grub wont go there
[07:32] <thompa> rawrness: im thinking the older kubuntu-64 might work
[07:33] <thompa> im pretty sire all the kernels all f'ed from 2.6.16 on up
[07:34] <thompa> somethings also worn with duo core and acpi
[07:34] <thompa> *wrong, but then it could be crap HP bios made for windows only
[07:34] <rawrness> Fun
[07:35] <thompa> soon there will be no bios options
[07:35] <rawrness> That would suck..
[07:35] <thompa> and you will only get windos or macintoss
[07:36] <rawrness> I have never played with Os   X.....
[07:37] <thompa> basically you have to replace motherboard in the HP amd64s
[07:37] <rawrness> Or throw breaks at the office.
[07:37] <rawrness> bricks*
[07:37] <thompa> i hate mac
[07:37] <xsacha> thowmpa: just go back befor e2.6.16 :)
[07:38] <thompa> id rather use windows 98
[07:38] <rawrness> Gag stupid amarok
[07:38] <rawrness> i thinks it tweaking cause i got my music in fat32....
[07:38] <xsacha> yeah i tried out mac start of this year.. tiger.. a whole 4 gigs but nothing interested me
[07:38] <thompa> kubuntu is best so far
[07:39] <thompa> even of all the kde distros
[07:39] <xsacha> i'm liking CRUX :) so far my favourite
[07:40] <thompa> rawrness: are you running compiz?
[07:40] <rawrness> nope
[07:40] <rawrness> looks shiny though. this is a fresh install.
[07:40] <rawrness> not even a hour old
[07:40] <xsacha> ew freespire, lol
[07:41] <rawrness> freespire is horid......
[07:41] <xsacha> do you still have to pay for that OS?
[07:41] <larson9999> can someone tell me exactly how to do this: "NOTE: Remove ov511 driver's modules before installing ov51x!"
[07:41] <rawrness> Didn't even give me sound. I was like WTF
[07:41] <rawrness> linspire is payed freespire is free.
[07:41] <xsacha> rmmod ov511 larson9999  unless i misunderstood
[07:42] <rawrness> and is horrid.
[07:42] <xsacha> oh yeah linespire is horrid as well though
[07:42] <rawrness> peple were like get a new sound card.
[07:42] <xsacha> LOL @ get a new sound card
[07:42] <rawrness> i was like screw that
[07:42] <larson9999> xsacha, that's what i thought but i didn't know if it meant uninstall it totally
[07:42] <MistaED> the freespire default icons are pretty though, but are easy to obtain from kde-look.org for any other distro
[07:43] <thompa> also linspire is actually on boxes for sale
[07:43] <xsacha> just make sure when you install it, it overwrites the old driver
[07:43] <thompa> microcenters got them
[07:43] <xsacha> it should do that -- does it for me
[07:43] <MistaED> i seriously didn't mind it for newbies, except when i saw the easy to use CNR needed payment, that was a huge letdown more than anything
[07:43] <thompa> they had one linux box for like $299
[07:44] <rawrness> I payed that for my emacine :P
[07:44] <xsacha> they havent patented CNR have they? lol
[07:44] <thompa> it looked pretty good anyway
[07:44] <MistaED> thompa: in order to get _free_ software you needed to pay for the CNR service
[07:44] <larson9999> xsacha, i don't know what's the deal.  ov51x shows in lsmod and my cam shows in usbview but nothing can recieve video from my cam
[07:44] <kkathman> anyone know what the default kernel version is fo edgy?
[07:44] <rawrness> I liked the computers at this school i went  to today
[07:44] <thompa> 2.6.17-10-generic
[07:45] <MistaED> although you could get commercial stuff off CNR too, the "free software requires ongoing payment" idea is just silly
[07:45] <kkathman> thanx
[07:45] <rawrness> they had nice little locks on the front for the cd/expansion bay
[07:45] <xsacha> larson9999: don't know either.. is it showing the right cam in usbview? exact same model?
[07:46] <thompa> rawrness: wheres that
[07:46] <kkathman> thompa: in the grub... that should point to vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386
[07:46] <larson9999> yep
[07:46] <motorhead> wow
[07:47] <larson9999> MistaED, i heard they opened that cnr for freespire a few months ago
[07:47] <thompa> rawrness: whre was the school
[07:47] <MistaED> larson9999: really? hmm
[07:47] <larson9999> MistaED, i read a blurb about it.
[07:48] <rawrness> thompa: over in Mt.Vernon Wa.
[07:48] <rawrness> thompa: I was some temped to do something like glue a kubuntu cd inside it.
[07:48] <thompa> rawrness: oh, im setting up high school computer lab, only 4 computers though
[07:48] <rawrness> thompa:  You don't trust me with superglue........
[07:49] <larson9999> i don't think i've met a computer a didn't like
[07:49] <unix_infidel> larson9999: try the apple newton :)
[07:49] <rawrness> yes the old macs
[07:49] <MistaED> hmm freespire is now on my "distros to try" list :P
[07:49] <rawrness> they  are evil.......
[07:50] <unix_infidel> MistaED: people with a "distro's to try list" usually dont have a "distro's i get something productive done with" list :)
[07:50] <thompa> rawrness: are those the ones in schools there?
[07:50] <xsacha> i have.. this old pentium 1. i tried to take out the NIC from inside the computer and woah... there was 3 layers of metals as the case. welded at each point. i had to use a crowbar to get it open just to take the NIC!!!
[07:51] <rawrness> thompa: Nope these were shiney pentium 4s
[07:51] <xsacha> it was built to survive a nuclear blast or something
[07:51] <MistaED> unix_infidel: haha don't worry, my distro of choice is still ubuntu which i do do productive work on ;)
[07:51] <rawrness> PRobly was.
[07:51] <unix_infidel> xsacha: yea, cases were super quality back then.
[07:51] <xsacha> my amiga didnt even have a case :P
[07:52] <larson9999> unix_infidel, what was so wrong with the newton?  it was just a little ahead of it's time
[07:52] <unix_infidel> lian li still doesnt make cases like the 90's
[07:52] <unix_infidel> but then again, computers back in the early 90's were close to 3 thousand for a decent model.
[07:53] <larson9999> i lugged an ps/2 case up from the basement this morning and thought i was going to get a hernia
[07:53] <kkathman> brb
[07:53] <unix_infidel> larson9999: i dont dwell in the past of computing.
[07:53] <unix_infidel> there's really nothing to learn from it, only admire it as what was...
[07:54] <larson9999> unix_infidel, yeah, i spent 3 grand every 3 years all the way up until 2000 for a new computer.  just bought my first new one since then and it was $380 :)
[07:54] <xsacha> i paid $500 for each of my computers and still do :S next one due next year
[07:54] <xsacha> (not including monitor)
[07:54] <unix_infidel> larson9999: sound about right, p3 was some yummy home brewed goodness if you built yourself a p3 system to last.
[07:54] <larson9999> i paid more than $500 for my c64 with drive, etc
[07:55] <unix_infidel> eg, 1.0ghz 512-1gb, 40-60GB HD
[07:55] <xsacha> my commodore was 2nd hand though lol
[07:55] <rawrness> i think its hilrious  how off-topic everyone is.
[07:55] <larson9999> rawrness, i can't stand OT nazis
[07:55] <unix_infidel> rawrness: its not uncommon.
[07:55] <xsacha> so what do you all think about drizzle?
[07:56] <rawrness> btw i am not a nazi i spam all the time.
[07:56] <larson9999> rawrness, didn't say you were :)
[07:56] <xsacha> but you spam on topic
[07:56] <rawrness> the would be the equivlent of not spaming off-topic .....
[07:57] <rawrness> thts horiable.
[07:57] <thompa> gotta go take care
[07:58] <rawrness> what was the code for codecs again !w32codecs?
[07:58] <larson9999> starting to tick me off i can't get this webcam installed
[07:59] <rawrness> !32codecs
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <rawrness> nope
[07:59] <rawrness> something like that though.
[07:59] <abattoir> !codecs
[07:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:59] <rawrness> that works
[08:02] <rawrness> XD i don't see my mp3 player playing ogg files anytime soon:P
[08:02] <rawrness> I don't play much at all anyways codecs it is :P
[08:02] <rawrness> it*
[08:03] <dek> how do I delete Console history?
[08:05] <kkathman> anyone know the command to create the xorg.conf.mdsum file ??
[08:05] <kkathman> sorry md5sum
[08:40] <chimaera> hi. i'm running kubuntu edgy on my powerbook (ppc, post feb05) and have serious problems with my touchpad. appletouch-driver is beeing used and configured according to innformation ound on the intterwebs, still, it's very choppy, pauses, jumps.. short: it behaves very erratic. any ideas on this?
[08:40] <chimaera> mhh, sry about the typos.
[08:42] <NightBird> usb mouse?
[08:43] <NightBird> rawrness, watch out for the sharp corners
[08:44] <chimaera> NightBird: what kind of suggestion is that? and how does that helt getting the touchpad to work ^^
[08:44] <rawrness> night night
[08:44] <chimaera> s/helt/help
[08:44] <NightBird> chimaera, I am rarely helpful
[08:45] <chimaera> i supose so.
[08:48] <Rakzor> Anyone know how to change the size of the desktop icons on Kubuntu?
[09:01] <max0> does anyone know the channel for wine help?
[09:01] <greg_> What's a good (known to "Just Work") out-of-the-box wireless network card to recommend to someone switching from winxp to Ubuntu?
[09:02] <mac_> i'm trying to install the new version of the ov511 driver.  it compiled ok and seems like part of it worked since "drivers/usb/media/ov511/ov511.c: Compression required with OV518...enabling" is only enabled in the new driver.  but later dmesg says "drivers/usb/media/ov511/ov511.c: v1.64 for Linux 2.5 : ov511 USB Camera Driver" which is the old version.  how do i get rid of the old version?
[09:06] <DHGE> max0: #winehq
[09:06] <Hobbsee> greg_: anything with an atheros chipset
[09:08] <greg_> Okay, thank you.  I had heard ralink and tat's what I use but this is for my little brother and I wanna be sure it works for him!  :)
[09:08] <DHGE> greg_: http://www.google.com/search?q=wireless+card+for+linux
[09:12] <DaSkreech> rawrness: What don't you like about freespire?
[09:13] <rawrness> THE BASTARDS WANTING ME TO GET A NEW SOUND CARD!
[09:13] <rawrness> thats what.
[09:13] <arejaytee> wheres the wine folder located?
[09:13] <max0> can anyone help with wine problems in here?
[09:13] <abattoir> !language
[09:13] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:13] <rawrness> bastard is a bad word......
[09:13] <abattoir> max0: what's the problem?
[09:14] <abattoir> max0: and i think someone suggest #winehq
[09:14] <rawrness> i thought it meant a fatherless chield
[09:14] <max0> abattoir: no responce in there
[09:14] <max0> abattoir: im trying to install Photoshop CS2 on Kubuntu with Wine and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/214808
[09:14] <rawrness> thus making a very screwed up kid with no fatherly guidence
[09:14] <arejaytee> well better questions where are applications folder stored under kubuntu?
[09:14] <abattoir> max0: i don't think CS2 is supported
[09:15] <max0> it is
[09:15] <abattoir> arejaytee: mmm.. applications folder? the program sturcture in linux is different from that in windows
[09:15] <abattoir> arejaytee: binary prog. launchers are generally located in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[09:15] <arejaytee> yeah so there isnt a central location
[09:16] <arejaytee> thats what i was after
[09:16] <abattoir> arejaytee: while libraries they use might be in /usr and /usr/share/applications is where other files might be located
[09:16] <abattoir> and depending on the application, there are other locations where files are put too, including configuration files
[09:17] <abattoir> max0: hmm, are you sure? you read it somewhere?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> wine is proabaly located in ~/.wine
[09:17] <max0> >> oops, its not
[09:17] <max0> sorry
[09:20] <abattoir> *while libraries they use might be in /usr/lib
[09:22] <greg_> directory structure and file locatons I think is the hardest thing of all for new linux users to grasp
[09:22] <mac_> i'm getting closer.  got the driver installed and the apps say they're reading the right camera.  the only thing is they show solid black.  and dmesg now gives this: v2.32 : ov511 USB Camera Driver (V4L2 disabled).
[09:22] <arejaytee> yeah i would agree with that
[09:23] <arejaytee> well until i find out where things are then its quite easy lol
[09:23] <mac_> cs2?  i don't think that works
[09:27] <Rakzor> Anyone know how to increase the resolution in Kubuntu?
[09:27] <Rakzor> Or to just make everything smaller?
[09:28] <Zaire> anyone in here know how to get apache and vsftpd to work with ssl for secure connections?
[09:29] <arejaytee> can i run konqueror with sudo so i can view .** folders ?>
[09:30] <arejaytee> nevermind found the option in konqueror
[09:30] <arejaytee> soz
[09:31] <mac_> it still puzzles me why linux folks don't use gimp instead... are there THAT many professional graphics artists that i meet 10 a day in irc?  reminds me back in the day when every 'girl' i talked to on the net was a part time lawyer/model
[09:32] <greg_> photoshop isn't all pro graphic artists....it's a lot of myspace users too lol
[09:32] <mac_> or just use a system that photoshop supports
[09:32] <Rakzor> I used Gimp to do myspace pics.
[09:33] <mac_> greg_, yeah, but when i ask them why they just don't use gimp everyone of them tells me they can't because they're professional
[09:34] <rawrness> i like photoshop
[09:34] <rawrness> its easy and shiney
[09:34] <Fleebailey33> anyone know about mac-on-linux
[09:34] <Fleebailey33> i need help with that
[09:34] <rawrness> I use it for my animated .gifs
[09:36] <Zaire> I use ulead for animated gifs and photoimpact for my other images I find it way easier then photoshop and that it has more options to
[09:36] <olala> this is a car
[09:38] <Zaire> anyone in here know how to get apache and vsftpd to work with ssl for secure connections?
[09:38] <dude> hello guys
[09:38] <sorush20> I can not save to my home folder... I don't know what had happend guys
[09:39] <sorush20> its been mounted as read only for some reason..
[09:40] <sorush20> if it is mounted as read only then why are all my application settings loaded? and why can't I browse as readonly ?
[09:40] <sorush20> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[09:41] <Zaire> cause by the sounds of it its more then being just mounted as read only so much as permissions altered so that you no longer have access to it
[09:42] <sorush20> Zaire: I dont' remember altering any permissions , the computer compeletly froze and crashed..
[09:42] <Zaire> dunno
[09:42] <Zaire> Ive never heard of something like that just bad permissions..which Ive altered my permissions accidently a few times
[09:43] <sorush20> Well recently things have been happening to my computer which are unheard of like the cpu fan bracket breaking..
[09:43] <sorush20> I can view my home folder to in terminal or command prompt..
[09:44] <Zaire> sounds wierd and doesn't seem like anyones really on to help
[09:44] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: hi
[09:44] <TheGateKeeper> morning sorush20
[09:45] <sorush20> Morning ..
[09:45] <sorush20> howmuch do you pay for you broadband since I noticed you have blueyonder?
[09:46] <TheGateKeeper> 17.99 / month why do you ask?
[09:47] <Zaire> mines 21 a month right now with the deal I got but normally 45 a month
[09:48] <Zaire> but then mines 1 under a business level
[09:50] <gillesMM> hello
[09:50] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: they have changed mine to 25 a month... cause I closed all other services.. like tv and phone..
[09:51] <sorush20> but I have looked on their site and it seems like the new prices are set to that level anyways..
[09:51] <sorush20> gillesMM: hello
[09:54] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: comes as no surprise one of their bizzare policies
[09:54] <gillesMM> I try 6.10 RC and I don't get connection at boot ... I need to lauch wlassistant and after dhcient .... even if /etc/netwotk/interface seems  fine
[09:56] <arejaytee> anyone got newsgroup access here?
[09:58] <TheGateKeeper> arejaytee: yes
[10:00] <sorush20> arejaytee: did you manage to upgrade to kubuntu 3.5.5
[10:01] <arejaytee> nah havent been bothered to do it yet lol
[10:02] <arejaytee> TheGateKeeper: nvrmind its naughty files lol
[10:02] <arejaytee> ive just bought a Eten G500 and finding apps and so forth for it :)
[10:10] <pierreth> hello
[10:10] <oliver> hi
[10:10] <gillesMM> hi
[10:10] <pierreth> a va?
[10:11] <gillesMM> oui
[10:11] <gillesMM> but we are on english kubuntu here :)
[10:11] <oliver> bien, but i dont speak french
[10:11] <pierreth> I know.
[10:11] <gillesMM> I have problem with Wifi here
[10:11] <pierreth> What's your time?
[10:11] <gillesMM> since I upgraded
[10:11] <greg_> Je peux assez bien parler francais ;)
[10:12] <gillesMM> 10;00 ap
[10:12] <gillesMM> am
[10:12] <pierreth> cool
[10:12] <gillesMM> nice greg_
[10:12] <pierreth> 4:12
[10:12] <gillesMM> where are you from pierreth ?
[10:12] <pierreth> quebec
[10:13] <pierreth> and your from France?
[10:13] <gillesMM> something has changed in init .. the kubuntu try to lauch the connexion with a other mechanism ?
[10:13] <gillesMM> yes from Paris
[10:13] <oliver> i have a question (syncing two homes, one local, one on the lan), can so help ?
[10:14] <pierreth> i am working with gilles
[10:14] <pierreth> what is the hardware?
[10:14] <gillesMM> I am on hp pavillon DV 8000
[10:14] <gillesMM> a nice laptop
[10:14] <pierreth> is it the first time with it?
[10:15] <pierreth> i mean the wifi
[10:15] <gillesMM> no before I didn't have problem
[10:15] <pierreth> what did you installed?
[10:15] <gillesMM> but after an upgrade I lost connexion either with wifi and with ethernet
[10:16] <pierreth> can you down grade?
[10:16] <gillesMM> I choose to reinstall the last 6.10 RC
[10:16] <gillesMM> pierreth: I can use it now
[10:16] <pierreth> this is RC
[10:17] <pierreth> You should report the problem
[10:17] <obf213> how do i figure out wht version of firefox i have
[10:17] <Fleebailey33> about
[10:17] <gillesMM> but I need to lauch wlassistant to see the wifi on and dhclient to have the connexion
[10:17] <pierreth> report this on the dev mailling list of ubuntu
[10:19] <gillesMM> I am not in the list
[10:19] <TheGateKeeper> obf213: Help --> About
[10:20] <obf213> ah ok
[10:20] <obf213> when is firefox 2 coming out
[10:20] <rawrness> in  2 days
[10:20] <rawrness> its due for release the 24 i belive
[10:21] <rawrness> while edgy is the 26 and will include it
[10:21] <pc22> any good CRM?
[10:22] <SteelT> hello!
[10:22] <SteelT> i got a question concerning KPF
[10:22] <Lynoure> pc22: depends on how you define good. There are plenty available, with different sets of features
[10:22] <SteelT> "folder - folder options" "sharing"
[10:24] <sorush20> can anyone here help me please?
[10:25] <SteelT> could anyone help me please? i want to share with kde s new kpf tool
[10:25] <sorush20>  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system. this is the error I keep getting any ideas.. I think I have recently upgraded to
[10:25] <sorush20> !kpf
[10:25] <ubotu> kpf: public fileserver for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 188 kB, installed size 624 kB
[10:25] <SteelT> its located in every folfer, if u perform a rightclick and openn the attributes.dialogue
[10:25] <SteelT> thx ubotu
[10:25] <SteelT> thatsit
[10:26] <sorush20> you can upload what to it?
[10:26] <SteelT> i got the problem i want to use and test it
[10:26] <SteelT> an im ehind a router
[10:27] <SteelT> cahnge settings to use kpf?
[10:27] <SteelT> necessary?
[10:27] <SteelT> or how could anybody find my shared object?
[10:27] <sorush20> maybe you could change settings in the router..
[10:28] <SteelT> sorush20:
[10:28] <SteelT> sorush20: i selected a folder, and the applet said there was problem with zeroconf, but nevertheless server has been started
[10:28] <sorush20> well is you are sharing it as a samba share or nfs the will find it
[10:28] <SteelT> how can anyone now find my shared object?
[10:29] <sorush20> I don't think i ever needed to use zero config..
[10:29] <SteelT> i dont know what it is exactly
[10:29] <SteelT> look
[10:30] <SteelT> theres is the option "guard port" 8001
[10:30] <SteelT> change the port in it?
[10:30] <SteelT> now its shared
[10:30] <SteelT> how can U download it?
[10:30] <SteelT> have i to look up my IP on myip.com or sth like that?
[10:31] <sorush20> SteelT: it think it would be best to ask #networking..
[10:32] <sorush20> SteelT: sorry couldn't help
[10:32] <SteelT> oki
[10:32] <dude> why is it xandros linux is not free?
[10:33] <sorush20> dude: I dont' know . there is a free version out there but it  is not acitve..
[10:33] <sorush20> dude: I think you have to pay for it..
[10:33] <sorush20> not as active as ubuntu
[10:34] <dude> sorush20: k tnx
[10:35] <sorush20> dude: I tried it and didn't like it since it does not have an upto date set of package
[10:35] <sorush20> dude: aske the rest in #xandros
[10:40] <dude> sorush20: so you have to buy the application, but looks cool
[10:40] <dude> sorush20: so you have to buy the application, but it looks cool
[10:40] <sorush20> dude: its not cool.. it uses all the application that ubuntu users use...
[10:41] <dude> sorush20: ha?
[10:42] <sorush20> dude: and a customized wine....
[10:42] <rawrness> didn't xandros want people to pay to download isos?
[10:42] <sorush20> dude: don't pay for anything .. ask here first..
[10:42] <dude> sorush20: ohh
[10:42] <sorush20> rawrness: yes.. they did but there is a free iso out there..
[10:42] <dude> ok, actually, im plaaning to get one
[10:43] <rawrness> i rember some one ranting about why they don't use it.
[10:43] <sorush20> dude: what is in xanderos that you need so bad..
[10:43] <dude> sorush20: in general, what can you say about xandros
[10:43] <TheGateKeeper> hiya MilhousePunkRock
[10:43] <sorush20> dude: you can tell alot about a linux distro by looking at howmany users there are in there chat channels..
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey TheGateKeeper
[10:44] <dude> sorush20: ya, i noticed that
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: That's a false assumption... Popularity says little about quality
[10:44] <sorush20> if empty then not poplular and support less if full the popular and more support not to metion much more ethical in its operation..
[10:44] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: are you refereing to windows.. a
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Hehe, that would be the prime example...
[10:45] <rawrness> i find it  not populatrity
[10:45] <rawrness> but people being forced to use   it.
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Everyone has the choice to switch, most are too lazy
[10:47] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: not too lazy howmany computer shops have you seen seeling linux and howmany linux computer run windows games.?
[10:48] <sorush20> without wine hassel..
[10:48] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: in order to switch to linux you would have to know about, it's surprising just how many people have never even heard of linux
[10:49] <MilhousePunkRock> If your new computer comes with Windows, it's laziness if you keep it... It's kinda a forced standard...
[10:49] <sorush20> dude: the conclusion is don't by linux oss
[10:50] <sorush20> lindows is not even good either..
[10:50] <TheGateKeeper> not if you don't know there is an alternative...
[10:50] <sorush20> I was hoping to setup a linux society at uni.
[10:51] <TheGateKeeper> the forced standard comes in that computer shops etc do not offer an alternative, that's where the fault lies!!
[10:51] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: At every Uni here there already is one... Take the IT geeks, they _know_ about Linux...
[10:51] <dude> sorush20: ok, ill take your word, tnx
[10:51] <sorush20> Seveas: could you help me please.. I keep getting this error..  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Shops don't sell it because Linux is free (with some exceptions)
[10:52] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: there is a website selling ubuntu ready computers.
[10:52] <Seveas> sorush20, loads fine for me
[10:53] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: not true again, it's because of commercial deals
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: Yeah, about 20 websites worldwide vs a million stores selling Winblows PCs
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Same with Intel and some electronic stores here, they give them really good prices if they do not offer AMD chips
[10:54] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: maybe you would want to try to sell your own one day if you are in that field.
[10:54] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: exactly !!
[10:54] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: I am not in that field at all... I am not a big economy guy, I mean, I know how it works, but I don't like it...
[10:54] <sorush20> You could save  your customers lots of money on software..
[10:55] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: you can buy laptops with ubuntu pre-installed
[10:55] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: don't think anyone here in this room likes it either..
[10:55] <TheGateKeeper> can't remember the web site
[10:55] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: I am not a communist though... ;-)
[10:56] <MetaMorfoziS> :))
[10:56] <sorush20> Seveas: could you change the topic so that people know where to by ubuntu ready computer... like a list of online stores... e.g. buy you ubuntu ready computers here www.listofsellers.ubuntu.com
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> sorush20: Everyone that comes here either has *untu already or is interested in it...
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> That's only a few steps from setting it up on any PC available...
[10:58] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: that would be giving free advertising to other commercial companies so that is not likely to happen
[10:58] <sorush20> MilhousePunkRock: well that would mean they that statement in the topic is targeting the people interested in it...
[10:58] <zorglu_> about on topic ... :)
[10:58] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: but they are selling ubuntu what is the big deal..
[10:58] <larson9999> my 5 year old spends about 30 min to an hour a day video chatting with our inlaws in thailand.  this is the only thing he uses windows for and i'm checking out alternatives.  since her family isn't the techiest around i'd like to not make them stop using what they're used to: msn.  but it doesn't have voice.  have any of you used amsn or kopete for video while using skype for audio?
[10:59] <zorglu_> there is a offtopic channel which is very welcoming of those discussion
[10:59] <TheGateKeeper> sorush20: *selling* that's the operative word!!
[10:59] <sorush20> TheGateKeeper: lets stop now..
[10:59] <sorush20> doens't kopete work larson9999
[11:00] <Brydenn33> whats the command to remove a program i dont want?
[11:00] <sorush20> Brydenn33: how was the program installed in the first place was it a .deb package
[11:00] <TheGateKeeper> Brydenn33:  apt-get remove <package> or you could use aptitude
[11:00] <Brydenn33> sorush20: i guess so. I added a repository
[11:01] <sorush20> sudo apt-get remove package.deb
[11:01] <Brydenn33> it's a broken install
[11:01] <Brydenn33> and i want it gone
[11:01] <Brydenn33> it's the ntfs-3g program
[11:01] <sorush20> well you could do sudo apt-get install -f
[11:01] <larson9999> sorush20, not for voice
[11:02] <Brydenn33> what does that do sorush20
[11:02] <sorush20> Brydenn33: it fixes the last run of the installation..
[11:02] <sorush20> Brydenn33: what error do you get when you type in the command?
[11:03] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: I use skype on windows, & in the wiki there are instructions of how to set up skype
[11:03] <Brydenn33> sweet i think that did it sorush20
[11:03] <Brydenn33> said it removed it in the konsole
[11:04] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: I also have teamspeak working on kubuntu (at least I think it's working)
[11:04] <ronnylibre> #php
[11:04] <sorush20> Brydenn33: well that should be fixed then..
[11:04] <Brydenn33> yes, thank you :)
[11:05] <sorush20> Brydenn33: np
[11:05] <sorush20> can anyone now help me with my problem?
[11:05] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper, i'm curious if you've used both kopete and skype at the same time.  one to transfer the video and the other for the audio.
[11:06] <Brydenn33> lol whats your problem sorush20
[11:06] <sorush20>  An error occurred while loading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam:Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[11:06] <sorush20> what is the io-slave.. that is not working in my computer..
[11:07] <sorush20> I don't have internet so I can't check what is the problem...
[11:08] <sorush20> I only have the command line terminal to search the internet
[11:08] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: nope I haven't done that, I don't have skype setup on linux yet, (only windows & use it mainly with a work collegue), the person I want to talk to has not yet bothered to install skype on their pc :-(
[11:09] <sorush20> there must be a really alternative to vid conferencing in linux.. Ithink gnome meeting was one..
[11:09] <sorush20> !gnomemeeting
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnomemeeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper, teamspeak  doesn't seem to be free.  is it?
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: well I didn't pay for it let me take another look...
 who here has experience with ntfs-3g?
[11:11] <Brydenn33> i'm having issues with it
[11:11] <larson9999> sorush20, yeah, gnomemeeting, now ekiga is an option but that would take FOREVER to setup with her parents.  have to change the firewall, etc.
[11:11] <MilhousePunkRock> larson9999: TS is free money-wise, both client and server, but not GNU-wise
[11:11] <larson9999> sorush20, it might be the option we have to take though
[11:12] <sorush20> what is ts?
[11:12] <maryen> teamspeak is freeeee
[11:13] <larson9999> oh, i just saw on their site they talk a lot about paying for it :)
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: just agree to their bullshit & download & install http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads&id=2a
[11:14] <larson9999> i think i'll stick with skype if we have to go that route
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> larson9999: That's probably for professionally hosted servers...
[11:14] <maryen> you can set up your own server and its free
[11:14] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: well there is a nice wiki howto
[11:15] <maryen> you have to pay for using their servers
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> on skype that is
[11:15] <larson9999> yeah, to use their server.
[11:16] <maryen> skype can only host 4 way max on conference, so it might not be the best if your looking for a gaming solution
[11:16] <larson9999> ait? what a horrible nick
[11:16] <maryen> i think its a lovely name
[11:16] <larson9999> err ati
[11:16] <maryen> reminds me of my favorite vendor who refuses to open up the source for their drivers
[11:16] <larson9999> with the merger it might not be such a bad nick in time
[11:17] <larson9999> :)
[11:17] <maryen> open source is a bad thing you know
[11:17] <maryen> when you open up source code, all sorts of trouble happens
[11:17] <maryen> or so says the owner of the utorrent code
[11:18] <maryen> torrent
[11:18] <maryen> god i hate that client
[11:19] <maryen> the spirit of ubuntu left this server
[11:20] <maryen> why is this channel so dead!?! doesn't anyone need help at 4:20 in the morning ><
[11:21] <maryen> !uk
[11:21] <ubotu> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[11:21] <maryen> omg...
[11:21] <maryen> here i come england
[11:21] <fdoving> what do you need?
[11:21] <maryen> im bored
[11:21] <maryen> break your computer so i can try to help you fix it
[11:22] <fdoving> go to #ubuntu if you need someone to help :)
[11:22] <maryen> ok
[11:22] <maryen> ; ;
[11:22] <maryen> damn gnome using hippies
[11:23] <fdoving> there are also forums. ubuntuforums.org kubuntuforums.net
[11:23] <hirlam> any one can tell me how to manage fast text search among many files
[11:23] <maryen> forums arent as fun
[11:23] <maryen> beagle is good
[11:23] <fdoving> hirlam: you can use 'grep' from the commandline.
[11:23] <maryen> :(
[11:23] <elix> #ubuntu-it
[11:23] <hirlam> how
[11:24] <Lynoure> maryen: There are probably many things in ubuntu itself you can try to help fixing... like kpilot syncing
[11:24] <gun_> #ubuntu-ru
[11:24] <maryen> im not a programmer
[11:24] <fdoving> hirlam: 'grep word file1 file2 file3'
[11:25] <Lynoure> maryen: hmm, might be so, but if you are bored, I have heard (and found) that learning programming helps :)
[11:25] <maryen> :?
[11:25] <fdoving> hirlam: 'man grep' from the commandline to get more information.
[11:25] <maryen> but working isn't as fun as complaining about being bored
[11:25] <hirlam> thanks
[11:26] <andhy> hi, i have small question about kwalletmanager - in my kubuntu (dapper, and now egdy) kwalletmanager don't start autimaticly, runing manually store all password but after system restart (or kde sesion logout) it loose all of them - do you have any sugestion why ?
[11:26] <Lynoure> maryen: hmmm, I have never understood that. But I guess different people like different things :)
[11:26] <fdoving> andhy: if you restart kwalletmanager it doesn't have your passwords stored?
[11:26] <maryen> Lynoure: actually, do you have a good fREE place to start for C++ programming?
[11:27] <andhy> fdoving: yes
[11:27] <hirlam> what is the different between grep , egrep rgrep
[11:27] <maryen> Lynoure: since it is the language kde's programmers use most
[11:27] <Lynoure> maryen: you mean tutorials and stuff? I'm not that much a C++ person, but I'll take a look
[11:27] <maryen> okie
[11:28] <maryen> Lynoure: what language do you use then Lynoure?
[11:28] <rehn> Hello! I tweaked /etc/default/acpi-support so that suspend using /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works on my edgy box. How do I configure the suspend procedure used by the suspend button in the logout dialog? (Part of Guidance power management?) Can I make it use /etc/acpi/sleep.sh or does it have its own configuration somewhere?
[11:28] <Lynoure> maryen: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ seems ok.
[11:29] <Lynoure> maryen: what I like most I do not use much... it's called Eiffel
[11:29] <maryen> never heard of it
[11:30] <Lynoure> maryen: It's a very pure object oriented language.
[11:30] <Lynoure> maryen: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial.html has also a quite ok looking tutorial
[11:31] <fdoving> andhy: ouch. if you don't have any important passwords stored. (i figure you don't since they are forgotten every now and then) you can try to remove the kwallet configs. You can do that easily from the commandline (kmenu -> system -> konsole) with this command: 'find ~/.kde/ -name 'kwallet*'|grep -v icons|xargs rm -rfi'
[11:33] <Brydenn33> fdoving: whats up buddy
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> maryen: C tends to be procedural where as c++ can either be procedural or object orientated
[11:33] <fdoving> hi brydenn33.
[11:34] <maryen> gah
[11:34] <maryen> i just lost your guide
[11:34] <Brydenn33> hey fdoving, do you know much about ntfs-3g?
[11:34] <Brydenn33> cuz i need your help with it :)
[11:34] <maryen> my comp froze
[11:34] <fdoving> Brydenn33: no, i don't use ntfs for anything.
[11:34] <andhy> fdoving: files removed - whats next ?
[11:35] <fdoving> andhy: start or restart your kwalletmanager
[11:35] <Brydenn33> damn, well ntfs-3g is a read and WRITE app for ntfs partitions
[11:35] <Brydenn33> having problems with it working
[11:35] <andhy> fdoving: started - whats next ?
[11:36] <fdoving> andhy: save some passwords, quit kwalletmanager, and restart it, see if the passwords are present.
[11:36] <andhy> fdoving: ok - i'll test it
[11:36] <fdoving> Brydenn33: is that safe?
[11:36] <Brydenn33> well its in beta
[11:36] <Brydenn33> but lots of distro's are starting to use it
[11:37] <maryen> im switching back to the nv driver
[11:38] <maryen> im tired of the beta nvidia driver crashing my comp
[11:38] <maryen> as rediculous as that sounds
[11:38] <Lynoure> The newest version says it's fixed
[11:38] <maryen> newest version of what?
[11:38] <Lynoure> So no harm switching back
[11:38] <maryen> 9625?
[11:39] <Lynoure> the boc...
[11:39] <maryen> boc...??
[11:39] <Lynoure> The binary only driver, they have stuff about it on their forums
[11:39] <maryen> they havent changed it, they're lieing
[11:39] <Lynoure> You tested it?
[11:39] <maryen> i did a md5checksum on it
[11:40] <maryen> perfect match, and the one i had on my hard drive is at least a month old
[11:41] <andhy> fdoving: i'll do it and ... still nothing; kwalletmanager is empty
[11:41] <maryen> brb restarting xorg
[11:41] <fdoving> andhy: weird.
[11:42] <Lynoure> maryen: : 1.0-8776 is the one they claim they fixed, not 9625
[11:42] <andhy> fdoving: i know; i use kubuntu on four different machines; and only on one kwallet don't like to work :(
[11:43] <fdoving> andhy: what does 'ls -la ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet' return? result -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:43] <davidenik> goodmorning guys !
[11:44] <Brydenn33> ok fdoving i got an easy one for you to help me with hehe
[11:44] <Brydenn33> my windows partition isnt mounting right or something
[11:44] <andhy> fdoving: -rw-r--r--  1 amikula amikula   60 2006-10-22 11:36 testit.kwl
[11:44] <maryen> ok, that clenches it
[11:44] <maryen> im using nv from now on
[11:44] <fdoving> andhy: looks like your wallet is there.
[11:44] <andhy> fdoving: of course it is ... empty :)
[11:45] <xsacha> 1KB
[11:45] <Lynoure> maryen:: 1.0-8776 is the one they claim they fixed, not 9625, but of course I'm all for using open source drivers
[11:45] <Brydenn33> when i click on it it says: mntent: no final new like and the end of etc/mtab/ ... mount: only root can mount dev/hdb1 on /mnt/windows/
[11:45] <davidenik> hi Hawkwind
[11:45] <bloodcrawler> hello, what packages i need install t ouse openGL in games? ;)
[11:45] <maryen> Lynoure: ah, well i tested the 9625 one so
[11:46] <maryen> Lynoure: but nv is more stable, and is faster at drawing 2d in most cases than the proprietary driver
[11:46] <andhy> fdoving: if i run kwalletmanager from console i receive "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168"
[11:47] <maryen> Lynoure: not to mention, for some reason, the proprietary driver is actually slowing my system as a whole down '.o
[11:47] <Lynoure> maryen: see above about open source drivers :)
[11:47] <maryen> i know, i just like ranting
[11:48] <andhy> fdoving: but this is not to imprtant for proper working of kwallet
[11:48] <fdoving> andhy: That "Error" is just a warning, and it is normal, not related to this. I have no more ideas, report a bug about it. There might exit others with the same problem. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[11:48] <Brydenn33> fdoving: what about my error?
[11:49] <maryen> fdoving: why does that error always show up when you open a x program from the console
[11:49] <andhy> fdoving: ok
[11:49] <fdoving> Brydenn33: no final new line? are you sure it's mtab? not fstab?
[11:49] <Brydenn33> what i typed is everything in the box that popped up
[11:50] <Brydenn33> i can pastebin my fstab if you want
[11:50] <Brydenn33> and my mtab
[11:50] <maryen> why not use fuse bryden
[11:50] <Brydenn33> maryen: i have fuse installed
[11:50] <maryen> not that i know how that one works either
[11:50] <maryen> or better yet
[11:50] <fdoving> maryen: because xorg.conf is setup to support some tablet-pc input devices. when they are not available, you get that error.
[11:50] <matthias> hi can anyone tell me how the suse package "kdepim3-sync" is named under kubuntu?
[11:50] <maryen> use windows to move stuff
[11:51] <Brydenn33> screw windows hehe
[11:51] <maryen> windows has ex3/reiserfs support with certain programs
[11:51] <davidenik> guys,sorry,has someone a creative cam?I'm trying to install it but i have problems.
[11:51] <maryen> and its alot safer than using experimental programs that can destroy a ntfs partition
[11:51] <matthias> as long as i know windows hast only ext2 support with additional tools
[11:51] <fdoving> Brydenn33: just open kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' and go to the end of the last line. Press enter. Save and exit. You can do the same for /etc/mtab if you still experience the problem.
[11:51] <maryen> nope, ext3
[11:52] <matthias> cool
[11:52] <fdoving> matthias: what does the package provide?
[11:52] <matthias> can you tell me the url of this programm?
[11:52] <maryen> ive transferred files to my windows from my reiser parts and ext3 parts
[11:52] <maryen> sure gimme a sec
[11:52] <matthias> i think sync support for kdepim3
[11:52] <matthias> i need it for synCE
[11:53] <bloodcrawler> ekhem... what i must instal with adept to use openGL? all glut's, glui, glx etc?
[11:53] <maryen> http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
[11:53] <maryen> there you go matthias
[11:53] <matthias> thx
[11:54] <maryen> proprietary driver for your video card
[11:54] <fdoving> matthias: that could be any of the following: 'kitchensync ksync synce-kde' not sure what suse got in it's packages.
[11:54] <brainless> good morning everyone :)
[11:54] <maryen> hi sir brainless
[11:55] <maryen> im actually about to go to bed so i resent the fact you presume its morning for me
[11:55] <maryen> even though the sun is coming up through the windows
[11:55] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[11:55] <maryen> hi
[11:55] <DarkWizzard> after a recent kde upgrade I lost sound of my tv tuner
[11:55] <DarkWizzard> it works but its very low
[11:56] <brainless> I got kubuntu up and crawling yesterday ... well, I had the same issue when I tried gentoo so I suppose I know what I have to do to fix it =)
[11:56] <maryen> all the rest of the sound is fine?
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> yes
[11:56] <maryen> strange
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> I know
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> I mean you can hear som
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> e
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> but its really low
[11:56] <maryen> did the tv tuner program upgrade as well?
[11:56] <denis_> yo yo
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> no
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> it didn't
[11:56] <DarkWizzard> I use tvtime
[11:57] <DarkWizzard> tryed asking there
[11:57] <DarkWizzard> but everybody is idle
[11:57] <denis_> can some1 tell me the easyest way to install ati drivers on kubuntu
[11:57] <fdoving> !ati
[11:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:58] <maryen> denis_: chain yourself to their office's front doors and demand OSS drivers
[11:58] <brainless> maryen: actually it's something around noon here so it's not even morning for me...
[11:58] <brainless> have a nice sleep then :)
[11:59] <maryen> actually i lied, im staying up another 2 hours
[11:59] <denis_> damn you
[11:59] <denis_> :D
[12:00] <denis_> hm i need some games
[12:00] <denis_> :D
[12:00] <maryen> !scorched3d
[12:00] <denis_> ii dont know what to do during install
[12:00] <ubotu> scorched3d: 3D artillery game similar to Scorched Earth. In component universe, is optional. Version 39.1+cvs20050929-2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 938 kB, installed size 2480 kB
[12:00] <denis_> i dont haved 3d
[12:00] <maryen> !frozenbubble
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frozenbubble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <fdoving> get frozen-bubble
[12:00] <maryen> !frozen-bubble
[12:00] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB
[12:01] <maryen> very fun
[12:01] <denis_> apt-get is wotking now
[12:01] <denis_> I cant install anything
[12:01] <Ace2016> Hi all
[12:01] <denis_> i must wait hm um 3 hours
[12:01] <Ace2016> is there a way to look up package info?
[12:01] <fdoving> or you can get 'ksirtet' if you like tetris
[12:01] <maryen> should've installed it before you started the ubuntu install
[12:01] <fdoving> Ace2016: apt:/ in konqueror
[12:01] <denis_> hehe
[12:01] <maryen> cancel it and install frozen-bubble
[12:02] <denis_> i am on half my way
[12:02] <Ace2016> wow thats so cool
[12:02] <denis_> :D
[12:02] <Ace2016> fdoving: Thanks
[12:02] <maryen> halfway and you have 3 hours?
[12:02] <maryen> geez
[12:02] <fdoving> Ace2016: you're welcome :)
[12:02] <denis_> yeah
[12:02] <hyper> abattoir?
[12:02] <denis_> i need a lot of programs
[12:03] <denis_> ill probably go playing guitar
[12:03] <denis_> .d
[12:03] <denis_> :D
[12:03] <denis_> need some black metal
[12:03] <denis_> :D
[12:03] <rawrness> -nigh night.......
[12:03] <maryen> nite rawr
[12:03] <maryen> ness
[12:03] <denis_> night
[12:04] <denis_> its morning here in slovenia
[12:04] <larson9999> crap! i stayed up all night again!
[12:04] <hyper> anyone can tell me where I can forward a port in kubuntu to my VmWare NAT machine?
[12:04] <maryen> me too
[12:04] <denis_> o almoust morning its 12.01
[12:04] <maryen> its 5 am here
[12:04] <maryen> whee
[12:04] <maryen> unhealthy sleep habits here i come
[12:04] <rawrness> tech its morning
[12:05] <rawrness> and i have thouse unhealthihy sleep habits
[12:06] <denis_> o here in slovenia is a nice day
[12:06] <denis_> :D
[12:06] <larson9999> at least i got my camera working
[12:06] <denis_> ful of sun
[12:06] <denis_> i loven being here
[12:08] <rawrness> nighty  nigh
[12:08] <fdoving> nite rawrness.
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> Bonjour
[12:09] <pielgrzym> anybody could explain me why this fucking amarok stops in the middle of building a mysql collection? whitout ANY prompt :[[[[
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> I'm french
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> Where is the french room ?
[12:09] <fdoving> !language > pielgrzym
[12:09] <fdoving> !fr'
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr' - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <fdoving> !fr
[12:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:09] <diabolo_nounours> thx ubotu
[12:10] <diabolo_nounours> thx fdoving
[12:10] <fdoving> your welcome :)
[12:10] <diabolo_nounours> =)
[12:10] <pielgrzym> fdoving: I'm too frustrated to watch my language ;(
[12:10] <prophit> good morning everyone...
[12:10] <prophit> having a problem installing a java runtime environment
[12:10] <denis_> good morning
[12:12] <dumr> question for op: /nick and /quit went down the bridge and /nick fell down. Who stays on bridge
[12:13] <fdoving> pielgrzym: i suggest asking in #amarok i don't know much about amarok myself.
[12:14] <pielgrzym> fdoving: nobody knew the answer on #amarok :( is there any other as functional as amarok, using qt mp3 player??
[12:14] <dumr> hm for me amarok works fine
[12:14] <fdoving> pielgrzym: not that i'm aware of. amarok is the only that advanced atleast.
[12:14] <dumr> what does amarok when playing
[12:15] <maryen> no
[12:15] <pielgrzym> fdoving: amarok seems to be like windows - lots of good features, but stability totally sucks :(
[12:15] <maryen> banshee gets close but still not amarok
[12:16] <pielgrzym> is banshee in repos?
[12:16] <maryen> yes
[12:18] <pielgrzym> oooh damn, why this banshee is in gtk ;(
[12:22] <teledyn> many apps i install are not showing up in menus
[12:24] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, its normal
[12:24] <teledyn> but highly annoying?
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, not to me
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, you can add it yourself ..
[12:25] <teledyn> to me it is a bug
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> :P
[12:25] <teledyn> i install an app.  i want it to be in the menu.  in debian, there was the 'debian' menu which was nice
[12:25] <teledyn> actually was better than the kde one
[12:25] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, i have debian menu now
[12:26] <wickedpuppy> i don't know which app i installed to get this one though
[12:26] <teledyn> is there a way to get it?
[12:26] <wickedpuppy> there is a way for sure
[12:26] <wickedpuppy> which way ? i do not know
[12:26] <teledyn> dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu    <-- what is your output of that?
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep men
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> >
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:~$ billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> >
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> hmms ... first one for typo
[12:27] <wickedpuppy> anyway why bother ?
[12:28] <wickedpuppy> i been using linux for 7 years ... i never bother with menus ...
[12:28] <teledyn> you are missing a quote after '^i
[12:28] <B-Minus_> how can i install skype for kubuntu ?
[12:28] <teledyn> just cut and paste from what i wrote
[12:28] <wickedpuppy> teledyn, i copied from you
[12:29] <teledyn> oops    dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i' | grep menu
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:~$ dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i | grep menu
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> >
[12:29] <teledyn> try the second one
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> hold on ..
[12:29] <wickedpuppy> i pasting on the pastebin
[12:30] <toad_> is there a simple way to get forward and back buttons working?  last 3 times i tried i broke X
[12:30] <teledyn> which forward button?
[12:30] <toad_> on a mouse
[12:30] <toad_> mx518 if it helps
[12:30] <wickedpuppy> there you go teledyn , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27788/
[12:31] <teledyn> thank you wickedpuppy
[12:31] <wickedpuppy> np
[12:31] <Ace2016> is it just me or are the repos slow?
[12:32] <teledyn> aha maybe it was your gnome-menus package.  i will try.
[12:32] <teledyn> Ace2016: try a mirror
[12:33] <Ace2016> teledyn: where can i find a list
[12:33] <teledyn> i always like educational institutions since they usually have excellent backbone connections
[12:33] <teledyn> just google for it: ubuntu mirrors
[12:33] <teledyn> i think its linked off the ubuntu download page
[12:35] <teledyn> btw. wickedpuppy, you can put that line in a script.  i named it 'list'.  it lists all installed packages.  very useful.
[12:35] <wickedpuppy> ah k ... which line ?
[12:35] <teledyn> #!/bin/sh
[12:35] <teledyn> COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i
[12:36] <wickedpuppy> oh okie ... thanks
[12:36] <teledyn> just put those 2 lines in a script.  name it whatever you like.  chmod +x  the file.
[12:36] <teledyn> then put it in /usr/local/bin  or ~/bin if you have one
[12:37] <wickedpuppy> ah k ... will try it .. thanks teledyn
[12:37] <rav3n> if may ask! what was the prolem?
[12:38] <teledyn> rav3n: i would like to get the 'debian' submenu which i used to have in debian.  the kde one sucks
[12:38] <B-Minus_> sometimes adept says a package will conflict with another package, but it still installs fine, do i need to worry about this ?
[12:38] <teledyn> i wish i could delete the kde one and only have the debian one
[12:39] <rav3n> well, i don have much info abt that but i'll oogle for it now for you :)
[12:39] <teledyn> B-Minus_: if the conflicting package is not installed on your system, its no problem
[12:39] <B-Minus_> teledyn: ok, its in grey so i guess its not ?
[12:40] <teledyn> B-Minus_: i only use apt/dselect/dpkg so i don't know about adept
[12:40] <Ace2016> teledyn: Thanks thats much better
[12:40] <B-Minus_> ok
[12:40] <magicmike> Hey y'all.
[12:40] <Ace2016> hey
[12:43] <magicmike> I downloaded a newsreader nzbpower-0.1.1.tar.bz2 to my desktop. Can someone give me info on how to install it? Thanks.
[12:46] <rav3n> teledyn: sorry, couldn't find anythign useful for you...but does this cause you problems?
[12:47] <teledyn> rav3n: i install apps and they do not appear in menus.  recent examples were  ding and wing (no joke, those are really the names!)
[12:47] <teledyn> wickedpuppy says he has a debian menu somehow.  so something he installed must have created it
[12:49] <teledyn> i guess i could be unlazy and create my own menu entries for items in question
[12:50] <teledyn> still, it bothers me that new apps don't automatically register with the kde menu system
[12:51] <teledyn> even if it lumped all non-kde apps into one submenu or something, that is preferable to nothing
[12:56] <rav3n> i mean that you will see, debian submenu itself as a submenu of the K menu
[12:56] <teledyn> rav3n: yeah in debian at least the debian submenu always has all apps.  but i don't know how to get the debian one in kubuntu
[12:57] <teledyn> rav3n: its not frustrating either.  the debian menu is in my opinion the better one which i would always use
[12:59] <Fudge> hi is there a good speech pacakge for kde?
[12:59] <fdoving> teledyn: to get the debian menu (as a sub-menu of the kmenu) install the 'menu' package.
[12:59] <fdoving> Fudge: don't know how good it is, but you have 'kttsd'
[12:59] <teledyn> ah thanks!
[01:00] <teledyn> there it is!  i was wondering what package had the update-menus script
[01:01] <Jucato> "kbuildsycoca --incremental" ?
[01:01] <fdoving> yes, that's a nice command too :)
[01:01] <fdoving> but it doesn't do the same :)
[01:01] <Jucato> ah
[01:02] <fdoving> or, it does the same, but for another menu :)
[01:02] <Jucato> K Menu only, I presume?
[01:02] <fdoving> kbuildsycoca is for the kmenu, yes.
[01:02] <teledyn> when i run kbuildsycoca --incremental  it says "kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!"
[01:02] <dude_> jucato! fdoving! how are you guys . . .
[01:03] <Jucato> dude_: doing fine :)
[01:03] <fdoving> hi dude_, i'm fine, how are you?
[01:03] <rav3n> teledyn: Okay, good for you! for me i just fire in my apps in the "runcommand"
[01:03] <Jucato> teledyn: that's just normal (and to be ignored)...
[01:03] <rav3n> or just use Katapult...
[01:03] <Electrolyte> Would an nVidia MX440 support composite in Kubuntu?
[01:03] <rav3n> yes it would
[01:03] <teledyn> rav3n: yeah i love the Run Command kicker applet
[01:03] <Electrolyte> Thinking of swapping out my ATI X850XT and sticking in my MX440 for the eye-candy.
[01:03] <Jucato> rav3n: if the app doesn't display in the K Menu, Katapult won't be able to find it
[01:04] <dude_> cool
[01:04] <teledyn> rav3n: but if i didn't have a menu with them listed, eventually i'd forget what was installed
[01:04] <dude_> im cool
[01:04] <dude_> :)
[01:04] <rav3n> yeah, you're right
[01:04] <xsacha> MX440? :S i had that 6 years ago lol
[01:04] <Electrolyte> It's spare for my server.
[01:04] <Electrolyte> But I want to see how composite looks.
[01:04] <Jucato> rav3n: also, Katapult needs to be "refreshed" when a new app is added. (don't know if Katapult refreshes at intervals)
[01:04] <Electrolyte> Never seen it "real time" before.
[01:05] <Electrolyte> Pretty bad that ATI's fglrx driver doesn't support it.
[01:05] <dude_> jucato: have you tried  xandros
[01:05] <Jucato> dude_: nope
[01:05] <xsacha> pretty bad that fglrx is 8MB and all the other drivers do more with only 200KB.. wonder what they have in there
[01:06] <dude_> jucato: how about xubuntu?
[01:06] <Jucato> dude_: yes. just for a few days though
[01:06] <Electrolyte> xsacha: That's ATI for you.
[01:06] <Electrolyte> xsacha: The Vista ATI driver is over 70MB IIRC.
[01:06] <xsacha> :(
[01:06] <rav3n> Jucato: nope it doesn't i guess u have to restart KDE in order to detect newly installed apps
[01:07] <xsacha> all my video cards are ATI, my last one was a 440MX that i chucked out 4 years ago
[01:07] <rav3n> For me i never faced the problem of apps not showing in Submenu.
[01:07] <xsacha> nvidia one* that is.. i wish i had one now
[01:07] <Electrolyte> I won't be going with ATI any more due to poor Linux support.
[01:07] <xsacha> me either
[01:07] <Electrolyte> When I get my binary watch it's saving up for a 7800/7900.
[01:07] <Jucato> rav3n: about Katapult, I just found a way to "refresh" it manually. Alt+SPace, Ctrl+C (configure Katapult), then press OK
[01:07] <rav3n> Xsacha: won't XGL work with Electrolyte's card??
[01:08] <Electrolyte> I've tried to get it installed.
[01:08] <Electrolyte> But it fails.
[01:08] <rav3n> Jucato : Cool!!
[01:08] <Electrolyte> Well, XGL works, but compiz/beryl doesn't.
[01:08] <xsacha> dont know, it will work with mine but it has a lot of trouble installing!!
[01:08] <xsacha> i can get it on other distros and on live cds.. but try installing myself, god...
[01:08] <Electrolyte> xsacha: I get trouble installing it.
[01:08] <Electrolyte> Like I said, XGL works, but compiz fails to install (it breaks)
[01:09] <xsacha> yeah my xgl works i just get an error when i run beryl
[01:09] <xsacha>  http://nanobin.nanosouffle.net/1776 if you want to check out the error -- so far no one has been able to think of a solution :(
[01:09] <Electrolyte> The error I get is trying to install compiz via atp.
[01:10] <Electrolyte> It says compiz-plugins breaks.
[01:10] <rav3n>  Jucato: thanks dude...
[01:10] <Jucato> rav3n: no problem :)
[01:10] <Jucato> it's a silly workaround, nonetheless :P
[01:11] <Electrolyte> I might give XGL another try, but any ideas why Compiz won't install?
[01:11] <rav3n> well, as long as i like it..it's not :P
[01:11] <Jucato> lol
[01:12] <rav3n> For me i have a problem of all time...
[01:12] <rav3n> ardware problem, My 5-in-1 media card reader doesn't work
[01:13] <rav3n> even when i did update-pciids
[01:13] <rav3n> it's texas instruments
[01:13] <rav3n> i heare dit's not yet supoorted
[01:14] <xsacha> :(
[01:14] <rav3n> sorry for mistyping
[01:15] <Electrolyte> Now, when it comes to "sudo aptitude install compiz compiz-plugins csm cgwd cgwd-themes cgwd-themes-extra" - it doesn't work.
[01:15] <Electrolyte> compiz-plugins breaks when I try to install it.
[01:15] <Electrolyte> Should I be installing something else than compiz?
[01:15] <rav3n> is it conflicting?
[01:15] <xsacha> try beryl
[01:16] <Electrolyte> compiz-plugins: Depends: compiz-core (>= 0.0.13.54) but 0.0.13.38-0ubuntu3 is to be installed.
[01:16] <Electrolyte> Depends: csm (>= 0.5) which is a virtual package.
[01:16] <Electrolyte> That's the only errors I get.
[01:17] <rav3n> try "sudo aptitude install" i don know if it would resolve the issue
[01:17] <Electrolyte> Already using it.
[01:18] <Electrolyte> But it appears beryl works.
[01:18] <rav3n> never used beryl is it better
[01:18] <rav3n> ?
[01:18] <Electrolyte> It's the newer version of compiz IIRC.
[01:20] <Electrolyte> Best go give it a try I suppose.
[01:22] <rav3n> well, maybe
[01:27] <xsacha> can you choose lilo bootmanager in the GUI installer for kubuntu?
[01:27] <Jucato> xsacha: nope
[01:28] <xsacha> gah
[01:28] <Jucato> it automatically installs GRUB in the mbr of hda. no questions asked
[01:28] <xsacha> :(
[01:28] <dude> jucato: what can you say about xubuntu?
[01:28] <ubuntu> i just installed it.
[01:28] <ubuntu> it's lovely
[01:28] <ubuntu> good day
[01:28] <Jucato> dude: hm... if you want something fast, but still need/want a desktop environment (not a plain window manager), it's the choice for you
[01:29] <xsacha> can run beryl in it? :)
[01:31] <xsacha> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/pre1/42755-1.jpg on xfce.. and im sure beryl fits in nicely
[01:31] <denis_> i need help
[01:33] <Jucato> !ask
[01:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:34] <dumr> !ask
[01:34] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:34] <dumr> !ask debian toolbar for k menu
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask debian toolbar for k menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <dumr> fu
[01:35] <softmaster> are there temporary files that should be deleted on kubuntu?
[01:35] <Jucato> dumr: it means, ask your question
[01:36] <dumr> damn
[01:37] <dumr> its no use
[01:37] <Jucato> ??
[01:37] <dumr> i just need the name of package
[01:37] <pointwood> anyone know what the changes are to kopete in the latest release? I can't seem to see anything on the kopete website and nothing in the kde 3.5.5 changelog
[01:37] <dumr> if anyone knows
[01:37] <dumr> i am searching for debian menu in k menu
[01:37] <dumr> just this
[01:37] <dumr> i wont ask fucking bot
[01:37] <Jucato> ah
[01:38] <dumr> do you know
[01:38] <dumr> or just something to show every installed program on compute
[01:38] <dumr> computer
[01:39] <silvania> is there a way to fix the USB random dying on my mouse?
[01:40] <Jucato> dumr: I'm not sure what the contents of the Debian menu should be. but to see every installed package in the computer, open up Adept Manger (K Menu -> System -> Adept) and change the filters (checkboxes) to show only installed packages. Take note that it will also show programs, libraries and other stuff as well
[01:40] <kernoman> how do i remove a package that is broken? i have tried to install k3d (3d software) and it fails to install but i cant seem to remove it
[01:40] <Lynoure> silvania: depends on the cause. Is it truly random? Anything in the logs?
[01:41] <Jucato> pointwood: found this through Google: http://www.mail-archive.com/kopete-devel@kde.org/msg04553.html
[01:41] <softmaster> are there temporary files that should be deleted on kubuntu?
[01:41] <softmaster> any help
[01:42] <silvania> Lynoure: im pritty new to ubuntu / linux, but its working then its not - i unplug and plug it in again and it works again.
[01:42] <kernoman> where does apt keep its list of installed or partially intalled software?
[01:42] <silvania> Lynoure: I tried a PS/2 converter but its not working at start then.
[01:45] <Lynoure> silvania: it might also be a problem with the hardware... possibly, not likely
[01:46] <silvania> Lynoure: worked fine for 4 months
[01:46] <Lynoure> silvania: check   dmesg  after it misbehaves
[01:46] <silvania> Lynoure: but i recently installed ubuntu and thats where i cant get it to work
[01:46] <silvania> it just did let me check
[01:50] <rav3n> ark --help
[01:50] <rav3n> sorry folks :d
[01:50] <rav3n> wrong window
[01:50] <rav3n> just trying to backu my system using ark
[01:50] <rav3n> lol
[01:51] <silvania> Lynoure: http://www.yguild.com/error_log1.txt
[01:51] <Jucato> :)
[01:52] <dennister> g'morning all
[01:52] <dennister> |lostbyte|: r u wide awake and bushy-tailed?
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Hai :)
[01:53] <dennister> hi :) were u looking for an audio format converter?
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> dennister, nope.. why ?
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, i use ffmpeg and mencoder.
[01:54] <dennister> someone was...i found one, and I thought it was u who were looking
[01:54] <dennister> ffmpeg and mencoder will do conversions from m4a to mp3 or ogg?
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, what did you find ?
[01:55] <Lynoure> silvania: hmm, I cannot say straight away. wake up and lossage seem relevant
[01:55] <dennister> something called Pac, or "perl audio converter"
[01:55] <dennister> it does conversions from multiple audio and video formats
[01:56] <Lynoure> silvania: there are others with the same problem, maybe I can find you something
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> dennister, There is an mp32ogg program..
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> its in the repos.
[01:56] <Jucato> audiokonverter.....??
[01:57] <dennister> k, we have some m4a's i want to convert
[01:57] <dennister> pac is supposed to be pretty good, but the documentation sux
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ffmpeg does it too..
[01:57] <dennister> k...i've got ffmpeg
[01:58] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Is pac that converter that showes on your right click in kde. ?
[01:58] <silvania> Lynoure: yeah im browsing google on it, but it's like needle in haystack
[01:58] <dennister> i just know sooner or later I'll want to do more conversions...it's supposed to do that
[01:58] <dennister> i just can't seem to get it going, as usual :)
[01:58] <Lynoure> silvania: try googling for   ohci_hcd  IRQ INTR_SF lossage
[01:58] <|lostbyte|> dennister, right click on an audio file in konqueror..
[01:59] <dennister> it's supposed to show up on pulldowns in konq and amarok, but it doesn't on mine
[01:59] <|lostbyte|> dennister, right-click > action > pac convertor > list of options..
[02:01] <dennister> ...tried the right-sclick...pac doesn't show up under actions
[02:01] <|lostbyte|> Oh.
[02:01] <Lynoure> silvania: what brand/make is your mouse? have you tried with another mouse?
[02:01] <dennister> but the file did play after i hit properties :)
[02:01] <dennister> with player...i'd like it to work under amarok
[02:01] <|lostbyte|> dennister, sudo apt-get install pacpl
[02:02] <dennister> i already did that, andgot all the dependences
[02:02] <dennister> have been reading the man page, the faq...
[02:02] <silvania> Lynoure: i just have this one, its a Saitek - but should work without anything special
[02:03] <dennister> did some changes in the pacpl.conf file...
[02:03] <silvania> Lynoure: my keyboard is usb aswell and never dies
[02:03] <Lynoure> silvania: do you by any chance have a AMD64 NForce3-based system?
[02:03] <dennister> nada...no joy
[02:05] <dennister> |lostbyte|: ?
[02:05] <silvania> Lynoure: I think NForce 4
[02:05] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Then use ffmpeg.
[02:06] <dennister> yeah...any quick usage tips?
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> dennister, cause i did try installing pac long back, and it showes on the menu.. but would'nt convert..
[02:06] <silvania> Lynoure: Asus P5ND2-SLI Deluxe is the mother board
[02:06] <Lynoure> silvania: it seems that happens sometimes on those system and the fix is a bit hassle for a new user. Do you use Dapper or Edgy?
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ffmpeg -i <inputfile>.<format_ext> <outputfile>.<format_ext>
[02:07] <dude> jucato: are you uisng bear ftp?
[02:07] <silvania> Lynoure: dapper
[02:08] <Lynoure> silvania: you can try going to bios and disabling ioapic
[02:09] <Lynoure> silvania: That's what many people report to have helped
[02:09] <dennister> thx lostbyte...if u can't get pac working I'm sure i won't be able to at this point...it'll take me a little while to get to the right directory for the ffmpeg script
[02:10] <dude> jucato: why is it almost all of my application crashes
[02:10] <silvania> Lynoure: I'll try, brb
[02:10] <Lynoure> silvania: good luck
[02:12] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Or try a kde frontend "soundkonverter" //
[02:12] <|lostbyte|> !soundkonverter
[02:12] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.1.99+0.2beta2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 744 kB, installed size 1584 kB
[02:13] <dellubuntu> has anyone installed kubuntu 6.06tls on a dell 6400
[02:13] <dude> what is signal 11
[02:14] <dennister> |lostbyte|: i will try it...i'd just heard pacpl was easier than soundkonverter...hah!
[02:15] <lugburz> german  kubuntu room?
[02:15] <hyper> !de
[02:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:15] <hyper> abattoir: you're here?
[02:16] <lugburz> ich vergesse es immer wieder ;)
[02:16] <hyper> lugburz: keine Ursache
[02:16] <|lostbyte|> dude, Invalid memory reference
[02:17] <silvania> could'nt find a setting for ioapic
[02:17] <|lostbyte|> dennister, there can be nothing easyer than kde apps :P
[02:19] <Lynoure> silvania: sorry, that's all I found. The setting is probably there, possibly as I/O APCI, or possibly even as I/O Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller
[02:20] <silvania> Lynoure: ill try look for a converter to PS/2, read that it helps
[02:21] <dennister> |lostbyte|: got an error with the ffmpeg, but the file was created...and now pacpl shows up by right-clicking, too
[02:21] <|lostbyte|> dennister, what did you type ?
[02:22] <tomaz> ppl, help here
[02:22] <dennister> hold on: I'll give u the error message first: Unsupported codec (id=86018) for input stream #0.0
[02:22] <tomaz> 'could not find mime type application/octet-stream'
[02:22] <Lynoure> silvania: ok, I hope it gets solved for you.
[02:23] <tomaz> this error is popping up on the screen almost all the time
[02:23] <dude> lostbyte: what should i do?
[02:23] <dennister> after I typed: ffmpeg -i 02\ Hurt.m4a 02\ Hurt.mp3
[02:25] <dennister> lol...and now m4a files are playing in amarok anyway...without any conversions
[02:25] <|lostbyte|> dennister, huh, i wonder. m4a is supported.. try renaming m4a to mp4
[02:26] <dennister> i'm not sure I need to now...the goal was to get them working in amarok, and they are
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> dennister, m4a is actually mp4 with out video.
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> so dont worry :)
[02:26] <dennister> now that is...amarok was crashing with Hurt.m4p before
[02:26] <dennister> classic song :)
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> i wonder why you want to convert to mp3 :P
[02:26] <aumuell> m4p? that's protected
[02:26] <aumuell> xine does not like that
[02:27] <dennister> sorry
[02:27] <|lostbyte|> Yeah, mp4 has protection..
[02:27] <dennister> yeah, well, we paid for it
[02:27] <dennister> we have a cd collection like u wouldn't believe
[02:28] <|lostbyte|> aumuell, m4p ?
[02:28] <aumuell> dennister was talking about Hurt.m4p
[02:28] <dennister> and I always meant m4a anyway..m4p was a typo on my part
[02:29] <|lostbyte|> -------> 02\ Hurt.m4a
[02:29] <Electrolyte> I got Beryl working :D
[02:29] <Electrolyte> It's awesome!
[02:29] <aumuell> that should not crash to xine engine
[02:29] <dennister> well, it was
[02:29] <dennister> but all's cool now
[02:32] <castroaltima> #knoppix
[02:32] <Electrolyte> Ok, Linux looks better than Vista now.
[02:32] <Electrolyte> Well, mine does.
[02:32] <|lostbyte|> Electrolyte, with xgl deffinitly.
[02:32] <Electrolyte> Yup, I have that running with Beryl :D
[02:33] <silvania> okay so my next problem, how can i get "my user" to mount and access my NTFS drive?
[02:33] <castroaltima> you know I ran Vista and I was impressed it was alot better then XP
[02:33] <silvania> only get "only root can mount"
[02:34] <silvania> microsoft can't program, just look at the simplest program ever : Notepad, it's got lot of bugs on windows xp lol
[02:34] <|lostbyte|> :D
[02:34] <castroaltima> very true I agree, thats why I replace most of the proggrams it comes with
[02:35] <silvania> if you have wordwrap on it might save with a "newline" character on those wordwrap endings
[02:35] <castroaltima> usually with stand alone self sufficient programs, portables
[02:35] <julius> einer aus deutschland hier?
[02:35] <castroaltima> yeah been screwed by that before
[02:35] <Electrolyte> Damn, I can't figure out how to configure Beryl though.
[02:35] <julius> hi i am from germany
[02:35] <castroaltima> modified perl script in wordpad and uploaded to webserver (linx) it blew up
[02:36] <silvania> but anyhow - does someone know how i can setup so that other uses than root can mount a drive?
[02:36] <jmichaelx> in my file browsers. there is no shortcut to the hard drive containing my file system.... could anyone explain to me how to do this?
[02:37] <jmichaelx> let me restate that lol
[02:37] <jmichaelx> in my file browsers, there is no shortcut to the hard drive containing my file system.... could anyone explain to me how to create one?
[02:38] <castroaltima> Hey silvania, You need to set the suid bit on the /usr/bin/smbmount, /usr/bin/smbclient, and /usr/bin/smbmnt, then you can use smbmount to mount Samba shares. Alternatively, you could set the suid bit on the /bin/mount command but that could open up other security problems.
[02:41] <silvania> castroaltima: i used the guide on http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access to make it mount on startup but its not working.
[02:41] <Electrolyte> Anyone know how to change the fonts on the theme with xgl/beryl? It uses gnome themes IIRC.
[02:43] <castroaltima> silvania, what happens when you type "sudo mount"
[02:43] <castroaltima> no quotes
[02:43] <silvania> castroaltima: does'nt list the ntfs drive ( /dev/sda1 )
[02:43] <castroaltima> what is going on the command mount is only accessable by root
[02:44] <castroaltima> ok i see
[02:44] <dude_> why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11), what causing these error message?
[02:44] <silvania> castroaltima: i can mount it with "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows/" but only access folder with root then
[02:44] <castroaltima> try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /some/mounting/point
[02:45] <castroaltima> ok can you create another folder /ntfs
[02:45] <castroaltima> and give that folder to the user
[02:45] <castroaltima> and then mount it
[02:45] <castroaltima> on that folder /ntfs
[02:46] <fdoving> silvania: is this a removable device?
[02:46] <silvania> castroaltima: no permission to access
[02:46] <Xal> edgy doesn't like me.
[02:46] <silvania> let me double check permissions
[02:47] <fdoving> Xal: what's the problem?
[02:47] <dude_> fdoving: why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11-SIGSEGV), what causing these error message?
[02:47] <Xal> The xserver doesn't want to start up.
[02:47] <fdoving> silvania: i suggest, if this is not a removable device, to add '/dev/sda1' to the end of /etc/pmount.allow and just go to media:/ and doubleclick it.
[02:47] <silvania> castroaltima: soon as i mount the folder goes root - root, else its myuser - myuser
[02:47] <castroaltima> do a sudo chown and give that folder away to user
[02:47] <castroaltima> ok i see
[02:47] <Xal> I tried sudo startx, and I get a driver not found error, and an error that my kernel is too high a version
[02:48] <silvania> castroaltima: only root can mount
[02:48] <thompa> disk and filesystem utility is awsome
[02:49] <silvania> i mean fdoving
[02:49] <fdoving> silvania: no, not if you do as i say.
[02:49] <thompa> in system settings if you click advanced, there is the disk mounter gui
[02:49] <thompa> i dont see in in ubuntu edgy only kde
[02:50] <silvania> fdoving:     /dev/sda1 is in /etc/pmount.allow at bottom, and its still giving "only root can mount"
[02:50] <fdoving> silvania: if you add /dev/sda1 to /etc/pmount.allow all users allowed to mount removable devices (users in the 'lpadmin' group) are allowed to mount it.
[02:50] <castroaltima> you try this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142481
[02:50] <fdoving> silvania: try 'pmount /dev/sda1' from the commandline. (kmenu -> system -> konsole)
[02:50] <serishema> my laptop has been overheating a lot lately and i'm wondering if there's a way to change power management settings to make this not happen.
[02:50] <serishema> i never had any problems with heat under windows.
[02:51] <thompa> serishema: are you running nvidia?
[02:51] <zorglu_> fdoving: im trying  to understand why my usb drives got sometime /dev/sda or sdb, is 'pmount' the name of the thing mounting the usb drive ?
[02:51] <silvania> fdoving: mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/windows
[02:51] <serishema> thompa: no, i'm using an intel gma 915 chipset
[02:51] <fdoving> silvania: 'sudo umount -l /dev/sda1;pmount /dev/sda1'
[02:52] <thompa> serishema: are you running edgy rc?
[02:52] <serishema> thompa: dapper
[02:52] <thompa> sorry, i had a sony vaio that got hot
[02:52] <silvania> fdoving: Windows did not shut down properly.  Try to mount volume in windows, shut down and try again.
[02:52] <thompa> but only when opengl ran
[02:53] <castroaltima> silvia: You will have to boot into your Windows OS and do a "chkdsk /f" (aka. scandisk) on the partiton that you are trying to mount. Currently, ntfsprogs can't check/fix the integrity of the partitions and will refuse to mount them if they are marked as dirty (ie. needing to be checked), so you'll have to do it from Windows.
[02:53] <silvania> castroaltima: but why can i access it root mounting just fine?
[02:53] <castroaltima> fromt his thread, about mount ntfs http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142481
[02:54] <silvania> castroaltima: thats the one i been following
[02:54] <grothesk> Is Edgy frozen?
[02:54] <omar> hello
[02:54] <dude_> fdoving: why is it im getting crash errors while using my application, (Signal 11-SIGSEGV), what causing these error message?
[02:54] <silvania> castroaltima: only way to access it is from root and that works fine to copy etc
[02:54] <silvania> castroaltima: soon as i try a user account, no access
[02:55] <Xal> thompa: You said you have edgy working fright now, right?
[02:55] <omar> does anyone know how to solve the "arts sound server fatal error: CPU overloading, aborting" problem?
[02:55] <fdoving> dude_: can be lots of things.
[02:55] <castroaltima> not quite sure at this point
[02:55] <silvania> castroaltima: ill just copy over the stuff i need and format it
[02:55] <castroaltima> have you tryed booting into windows and chkdsk
[02:56] <silvania> castroaltima: windows is gone from system hehe
[02:56] <castroaltima> lol oh ok,
[02:56] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: you don't need to boot into windows use badblocks
[02:56] <TheGateKeeper> castroaltima: bad advice!
[02:57] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: where can i get badblocks?
[02:57] <fdoving> dude_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures for more info on how to debug.
[02:57] <magicmike> hawkwind: Between free and non-free which is best to install? Thanks.
[02:58] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: you don't need to get it from anyware it's a cli command, open up konsol do badblocks - /dev/hda <--- assuming that is what your hdd is called
[02:58] <castroaltima> i think it comes as standard command
[02:58] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: okay trying
[02:59] <castroaltima> TheGateKeeper: does it work on ntfs drives?
[02:59] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: badblocks -v /dev/hda
[02:59] <silvania> >_< 293 049 666 blocks
[02:59] <TheGateKeeper> castroaltima: not sure about that
[02:59] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: what have we got here?
[02:59] <silvania> disk is 300g hehe
[03:00] <dennister> k; amarok is crashing on m4a files again
[03:00] <silvania> "checking for bad blocks read only test
[03:00] <swanfl> is there any way to set a default font size to view html messages?
[03:00] <swanfl> in kmail that is
[03:00] <flaccid> fsck -cdvf /dev/hda1
[03:00] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: how is your hdd made up, what partitions etc?
[03:00] <flaccid> man fsck.ext2
[03:00] <dennister> not on that one song i've been trying to convert, but others in the same album
[03:01] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: the windows one or? its just one big partition
[03:01] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: you haven't installed linux?
[03:02] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: im in linux right now
[03:03] <TheGateKeeper> cat /etc/fstab & put it pastebin for me please
[03:03] <dennister> i'm going to reboot ppl...perhaps that will solve some of my probs...and give me the login script I need to troubleshoot
[03:03] <dennister> bback soon
[03:03] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: what exactly is the problem
[03:04] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: i can only access my ntfs drive with root after mounting it with root, when i try a user im unable. if root mounts it im not able to access it with any user but root.
[03:04] <omar> please someone help me, I cant make sound work properly
[03:05] <omar> I get an error saying: "sound server fatal error: cpu overload"
[03:05] <silvania> and pastebin.com not working to submit >_<
[03:05] <Xal> Haha, I hosed my system, I think
[03:05] <Xal> I'm just reading now that I had to install kubuntu-desktop before upgrading to edgy
[03:05] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: http://www.yguild.com/error_log1.txt
[03:06] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: thats the fstab
[03:07] <swanfl> while I'm using kmail, it's not obvious to me how to make it so messages that come to me in html format appear tiny and non html messages appear in the font I've selected in kde control panel. If I use CTRL key and mouse wheel up, it increases the size of the html messages but also the non html messages. How do I set a default size for html in kmail?
[03:07] <swanfl> sorry for the last post
[03:07] <swanfl> oops
[03:07] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu equivalent to glabels?
[03:07] <livingdaylight> !klabels
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klabels - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:07] <livingdaylight> !glabels
[03:07] <ubotu> glabels: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.2-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 311 kB, installed size 980 kB
[03:08] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu equivalent/version?
[03:08] <harmental> hi everybody....
[03:09] <harmental> any hints on how to upgrade to edgy?
[03:09] <freewill> how do i share files over the net work
[03:10] <livingdaylight> ok, Guys! Please! what is the kubuntu equivalent of glabels if there is one
[03:10] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: have you read this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&page=4
[03:10] <swanfl> harmental, upgrading Dapper -> Edgy is usally messy. better to do a clean install
[03:10] <Electrolyte> Does anyone know how to configure Emerald when using XGL & Beryl?
[03:10] <harmental> swanfl: will it be smoother in the future?
[03:11] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: I have heard about this problem before but I am not exactly sure what the fix is
[03:11] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: i will just copy the  few things i need really from that drive and format it to ext3 instead
[03:11] <swanfl> it should be but don't quote me :)
[03:11] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: ohhh ok :-)
[03:11] <castroaltima> silvania: that might be a good idea, save your self some headache
[03:11] <silvania> TheGateKeeper: i can copy stuff from it with root in console
[03:12] <silvania> im moving 100% to linux anyhow
[03:12] <castroaltima> well I am trying but keep having to do things in windows
[03:13] <harmental> swanfl: i guess ill wait then...Thx!
[03:13] <TheGateKeeper> silvania: well if you are carefull you can also do: Run Command... kdesu konqueor if you want to use a gui but *be carefull*
[03:13] <freewill> any1 just simple files shairing??
[03:15] <lugburz> !de
[03:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:15] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: what OS do these machines have on them?
[03:16] <freewill> theres 3 myne has kubuntu 6.06 the other 1 also kubuntu 6.06 and the other one windows
[03:17] <freewill> i actualy just want to shair stuff for the linux 1
[03:17] <freewill> but i can't get smb working and i don't know of any other  way of shairing stuff
[03:18] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: well as windows are involved probable best to use samba, you can set up the file sharing from system settings once samba is installed
[03:18] <TheGateKeeper> !samba
[03:18] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:18] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: ^^^^^
[03:20] <cryptonic_> could someone help me get realplayer working?
[03:20] <aztun> hi all
[03:20] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: how did you install it?
[03:20] <aztun> is there any good how-to to enable aixgl+compiz on kubuntu/edgy?
[03:20] <cryptonic_> i didnt yet
[03:20] <cryptonic_> i have a .bin file
[03:21] <cryptonic_> cant find a .deb file
[03:21] <aztun> cryptonic_: maybe u can install realplayer using automatix
[03:21] <aztun> its the easier way
[03:21] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: hang on...
[03:21] <cryptonic_> how do i install automatix?
[03:21] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu equivalent to glabels?
[03:21] <TheGateKeeper> aztun: there is a much easier way & less risky...
[03:22] <livingdaylight> !glabels
[03:22] <ubotu> glabels: label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.2-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 311 kB, installed size 980 kB
[03:22] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu or kde equivalent
[03:22] <freewill> TheGateKeeper: just want to know what is the most common used file shairing for linux to linux
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_:
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[03:22] <livingdaylight> or is glabels the only cd label in LInux
[03:22] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: do that ^^^^
[03:22] <livingdaylight> i want to create nice cd labels in Linux
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: nfs
[03:23] <freewill> thx
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> !nfs
[03:23] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: ^^^^
[03:23] <livingdaylight> geez...maybe my question is not technical enough
[03:24] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: don't use automatrix it will in all probability break your sysytem
[03:24] <livingdaylight> should i ask a really technical question about samba?
[03:24] <aztun> is there any good how-to to enable aixgl+compiz on kubuntu edgy?
[03:24] <aztun> TheGateKeeper: automatix has never broken my system
[03:24] <livingdaylight> aztun: i have xgl+beryl
[03:24] <livingdaylight> aztun: to dyou use nvidia?
[03:25] <aztun> no livingdaylight
[03:25] <cryptonic_> thegatekeeper - you dont happen to know if theres a problem with nvidia's latest drivers cause i installed them yesterday and they broke my xserver, and everytime i booted i was in the terminqal
[03:25] <aztun> I have an intel 915 on my laptop
[03:25] <livingdaylight> aztun: that's too bad
[03:25] <TheGateKeeper> aztun: good you can answer all the questions from people where it HAS done, well volunteered lol
[03:25] <livingdaylight> OK, Guys! i want to create nice cd labels using LInux, please tell me how?
[03:26] <livingdaylight> is glabels the only software in Ubuntu/LInux that creates cd labels
[03:26] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: I don't use games, can't be bothered with the potential agro, so I have never installed them, so sorry can't help you there
[03:26] <dennister> hi again pps
[03:27] <livingdaylight> has anyone here ever made cd labels using foss?
[03:27] <livingdaylight> Anyone?!
[03:27] <livingdaylight> TheGateKeeper: man, just tell me!
[03:28] <dennister> as soon as i login and kde loads, i get a demand to run as root...apparently there's a nautilus script running that is fairly long, and ends with the d] phrase '--no-default-window'
[03:28] <TheGateKeeper> livingdaylight:   haven't had to make labels
[03:28] <dennister> *phrase
[03:28] <cryptonic_> thegatekeeper, that way of installing realplayer didnt work, in the gui .deb installer it had an error saying "wrong architecture i386" and in the terminal it said "E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known." ?
[03:28] <dennister> has anyone seen this b4, and more importantly: help me get rid of it?
[03:28] <castroaltima> cryptonic_: using latest nvidia driver with SuSE no problem
[03:29] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: ohhh what are you running? that will work on x86
[03:29] <cryptonic_> im using ubuntu edgy 64bit
[03:29] <cryptonic_> amd 64bit
[03:30] <TheGateKeeper> hmmm and you ran this from the konsol?
[03:30] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: hmmm and you ran this from the konsol?
[03:30] <cryptonic_> well i ran the konsol one too
[03:30] <cryptonic_> E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known." ?
[03:30] <dennister> anyone?
[03:32] <dennister> !soundkonverter
[03:32] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.1.99+0.2beta2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 744 kB, installed size 1584 kB
[03:34] <dennister> !--no-default-window
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about no-default-window - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:34] <dennister> hi BluesKaj
[03:34] <cryptonic_> the gatekeeper, tried your instructions in konsol again and got a new konsol error "
[03:34] <cryptonic_> dpkg: error processing realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb (--install):
[03:34] <cryptonic_>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[03:34] <cryptonic_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:34] <cryptonic_>  realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[03:35] <dennister> can someone help me with a nautilus login script: "--no-default-window'
[03:35] <BluesKaj> hi dennister
[03:35] <dennister> this occurs everytime i login to kde
[03:36] <BluesKaj> hey root , change yer nick quick
[03:36] <BluesKaj> good
[03:36] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: because you are running amd64 you might have some missing libs or something
[03:36] <dennister> i shouldn't have to login as root the second I get into kde
[03:37] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: have you seen this before? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:39] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: howto install realplayer for your system is down at the bottom of the page of the URL I gave you
[03:39] <dennister> |lostbyte|: ? r u busy?
[03:41] <cryptonic_> thx verry much thegatekeeper
[03:41] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: you winning?
[03:41] <dennister> k...I'll fix kubuntu later...gonna try and reinstall another OS for abit
[03:41] <cryptonic_> dont know yet
[03:42] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: ok good luck, should get you to where you want to be
[03:42] <cryptonic_> i lost hope in the howtos cause the source list reposatories are always out of date and down
[03:42] <cryptonic_> :(
[03:42] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: you using edge?
[03:45] <belloty> good day everybody
[03:45] <belloty> i am downloading linux for the first time kubuntu :)
[03:46] <belloty> but i was wondering where i can download extra cd with extra pacakges because i dont have internet at home
[03:46] <BluesKaj> congrats belloty !...now the fun begins :)
[03:46] <belloty> thanks guys
[03:46] <belloty> i know
[03:46] <swanfl> for those who noticed my kmail question, I found the answer: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50983
[03:46] <belloty> i saw it at a friends house :)
[03:47] <BluesKaj> no seriously it's fun setting stuff up and making it work
[03:47] <belloty> yep
[03:47] <belloty> but BluesKaj is there an extra cd with pacakges i can download besides the one on the installation cd
[03:48] <BluesKaj> still in windows today cuz I'm burning a movie...haven't got devede24 quite configged properly yet
[03:48] <cryptonic_> which path should i install realplayer too?
[03:49] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: /opt is usually favourite I think
[03:49] <BluesKaj> a new kubuntu distro hits the scene om thursday, Edgy
[03:49] <teledyn> belloty: what part of the world are you in?
[03:49] <Kyral> /opt isn't touched by Apt
[03:49] <belloty> in holland
[03:49] <Kyral> so its safe to put "local" things there
[03:49] <belloty> teledyn, i am in amsterdam
[03:50] <Kyral> (same with /usr/local)
[03:50] <serishema> hi, i'm having trouble with kpowersave
[03:50] <teledyn> belloty: there is no internet?
[03:50] <Xal> I'm having problems with Kubuntu at the moment. If I wait until the release date and attempt an upgrade again, should it all work alright?
[03:50] <serishema> when i start it apparently causes the the xserver to crash and sends me back to the login window
[03:50] <cryptonic_> "Copying RealPlayer files...cannot find either hxplay or realplay--aborting setup!" :(
[03:50] <Kyral> so if I do compiles I tell them to install into either /opt or /usr/local
[03:50] <belloty> yes there is internet teledyn, lol but i dont have it yet at home
[03:50] <belloty> i moved 2 weeks ago
[03:50] <BluesKaj> Xal , I've been advised that a Dapper to Edgy upgrade should go smoothly
[03:51] <teledyn> belloty: what about wifi nets?  maybe you could pick up one in your area
[03:51] <some0ne> I'm using Kubuntu Dapper AMD64. I would like to run Flash9. I hear about using nsulpginwrapper for a solution. Is there a guide somewhere for this or would someone be willing to help me?
[03:51] <Xal> I just tried it, and it did not go smoothly. Apparently I forgot to download the kubuntu-desktop (metafile?) before upgrading.
[03:51] <belloty> nah, i dont think so, but thats why i asked if i can download an extra cd set for kubuntu
[03:52] <Xal> metapackage*
[03:52] <teledyn> belloty: i'm in silicon valley, i guess that around here there are wifi nets all over the place.  maybe not as much in europe yet
[03:52] <freewill> TheGateKeeper; i followed the how to but if i try to mount the share i get the following: Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (Connection refused) ... SMB connection failed
[03:52] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: only info I have: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:53] <teledyn> belloty: what about the free cd source mentioned in /topic ?
[03:53] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: Thank you that's exactly and all I'll need.
[03:53] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: you been into system settings & set the share up?
[03:53] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: np :-)
[03:54] <freewill> TheGateKeeper; nope its all grey there
[03:54] <freewill> TheGateKeeper; even when i am in su mode
[03:54] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: Ugh what a kludge. I hate blobs. Damn adobe. I Googled and found a site with some basic uses for nspluginwrapper. It looks pretty straightforward.
[03:55] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: ok :-) had any experience with Realplayer & amd64?
[03:55] <freewill> TheGateKeeper; if i go to System Settings -> Sharing -> File Sharing then that is all grey
[03:56] <freewill> (uneditable)
[03:56] <belloty> teledyn, well i have access to the internet where i am downloading the kubuntu installation cd
[03:56] <belloty> but teledyn what i was thinking if there is an other cd wich i can download and burn with extra pacakges on it
[03:57] <belloty> i can download and burn form the very fast computer at my girlfriends house
[03:57] <teledyn> belloty: what about the source in /topic ?
[03:57] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: you clicked on administration mode bottom right hand corner?
[03:57] <freewill> yes
[03:58] <freewill> but its still grey (this is the only menu in the whole system and setting that this happens)
[04:01] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: probable need to talk to someone who knows more about samba than me then, or have a good read of this: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
[04:01] <amik> howdy
[04:01] <some0ne> If anyone in here can point me to a Debian package for nspluginwrapper on the AMD64 arch I'd appreciatet it.
[04:02] <freewill> ok thx btw is your menu grey there?
[04:02] <Dark_Vampire> !de
[04:02] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:02] <fdoving> freewill: do you have samba installed?
[04:02] <visik7> before kde3.5.5 (with edgy) when I did switch from one vdesktop to another a message tell me in which desktop I was but now no message appear
[04:02] <visik7> how can I reenable it?
[04:03] <amik> anyone know the difference/history of inetd/xinetd/inetutils-inetd/other? telntetd/inetutils-telnetd/other?
[04:03] <freewill> fdoving; yes
[04:04] <freewill> fdoving; i have the 'smbfs' pakage if that it
[04:04] <fdoving> freewill: the package is named 'samba'
[04:05] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: yes but I haven't installed samba on this machine, it became active when I have installed samba on previous machines
[04:06] <cryptonic_> thegatekeeper, got realplayer weorking :)
[04:06] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: ohhh well done what did you do?
[04:06] <freewill> fdoving; i am installing it now so hopefully that wil make it work
[04:06] <cryptonic_> well i didnt put the path wich i was asked to install to correctly
[04:06] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: apt-get install samba tell me you did that ????
[04:07] <cryptonic_> it wanted full path
[04:07] <cryptonic_> and the way it asked it looked like part of it was down already
[04:07] <cryptonic_> so that guide works
[04:07] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: excellent :-)
[04:08] <freewill> theGateKeeper; i did sudo apt-get install samba
[04:08] <freewill> *TheGateKeeper
[04:08] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: I don't use RealPlayer nor have been tempted to use it.
[04:09] <cryptonic_> thegatekeeper , you dont knwo where to get codecs for ubuntu, do u ?
[04:09] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: that's ok, the person who was having problems has fixed it :-)
[04:09] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: Besides I'd go to extremes to watch the content using a different player for at least an hour or two first. :-P
[04:09] <freewill> TheGateKeeper, but its still downloading....
[04:10] <amadeus> can anyone help me? i'm trying to install Frostwire and something's not right
[04:10] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: If you remember what that is perhaps you can point me to them so they can point me to an AMD64 .deb of nspluginwrapper. I've gotten three dead links through Google so far.
[04:10] <amik> anyone?
[04:10] <TheGateKeeper> cryptonic_: not sure what you do in your case
[04:11] <amadeus> can anyone help me? i'm trying to install Frostwire and something's not right
[04:11] <fdoving> !frostwire
[04:11] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:11] <magicmike> !compile
[04:11] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:12] <magicmike> !packages
[04:12] <adz21c> Hi, how can I get KDE to start at boot? For some reason it doesn't and I have to startx each time (well sometimes it does, like when i reboot) any ideas? thanks
[04:12] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[04:12] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: what are you after?
[04:14] <freewill> TheGateKeeper, why did you want to know if i did apt-get intsall (can't u install it with adept or something)?
[04:15] <TheGateKeeper> freewill: I wanted to know if you had installed the samba package by whatever means, because if you haven't those controls will remain disabled!!
[04:17] <amik> anyone know the difference/history of inetd/xinetd/inetutils-inetd/other? telntetd/inetutils-telnetd/other?
[04:17] <silvania> Is there a tool i can use in windows to mount BIN or ISO files? Trying kiso, but its not working at all.
[04:18] <Dr_willis> !iso
[04:18] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[04:18] <freewill> TheGateKeeper, ok suddenly it all makes sence
[04:19] <silvania> thanks
[04:19] <aztun> !xgl
[04:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:21] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: I'm after running Flash 9 without installing 32-bit Firefox.
[04:21] <teledyn> does any of that aiglx stuff work with kubuntu/kde?
[04:21] <some0ne> teledyn: Yes.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> it can - i hear
[04:21] <Dr_willis> with work
[04:21] <Dr_willis> useless eye candy
[04:21] <casp_> hey guys!
[04:21] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: well I suspect you are on a hiding to nothing
[04:22] <casp_> i'm running kubuntu 6.06 atm.. can i just use apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my system or will that result in a crash?
[04:22] <DjDarkman> hy ,is the media plugin missing from the svn?
[04:22] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: for flash & codecs you need 32apps until the devs do something about it as far as I know
[04:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:23] <some0ne> !flash
[04:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:24] <amadeus> !limewire
[04:24] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[04:24] <amik> !inetd
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inetd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <casp_> !upgrade
[04:24] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:26] <TheGateKeeper> !flash9
[04:26] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[04:26] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: ^^^^
[04:27] <some0ne> TheGateKeeper: I tried that earlier. Didn't work. I'm guessing why they didn't show up is because they are i386 packages. I've just found a .deb file for 32-bit Firefox. Thank you for your help ande presence in the channel. =)
[04:28] <amik> oh well. 25 minutes with not a single response... :-(
[04:28] <TheGateKeeper> some0ne: np :-)
[04:28] <some0ne> amik: What's up?
[04:29] <amik> hi someOne :-)
[04:30] <amik> I'm trying to figure out about running some basic services
[04:30] <some0ne> amik: Such as?
[04:30] <adz21c> Hi, how can I get KDE to start at boot? For some reason it doesn't and I have to startx each time (well sometimes it does, like when i reboot) any ideas? thanks
[04:30] <amik> I've come across inetd,inetutils-inetd,xinetd, etc., and couldn't figure out what's up with that - which is better/newer/depracated etc.
[04:31] <amik> same for telnetd/inetutils-telnetd...
[04:31] <sorush20> hi
[04:31] <amik> none of the combinations seem to work without a bunch of configuration, but I'm trying to figure it out
[04:32] <ja> HI folks. Anybody know how to clear the 'lost & found' entry in the kicker?
[04:32] <some0ne> amik: Don't use telnet. Use SSH. Using telnet will get your passwords stolen and your system compromised.
[04:32] <some0ne> amik Use the openssh-server package.
[04:33] <some0ne> amik You would then start the SSH service by running the init script /etc/init.d/ssh start (it may be /etc/init.d/sshd). Or click Desktop Adiministration Services and that'll be self explanatory.
[04:33] <amik> someOne: yep I know all that, I'm interested in gaining some basic knowledge and understanding, playing around with Kubuntu on an old pc - I wanna migrate from Windows, and so I want to get familiar with some basics...
[04:34] <some0ne> amik Ugh I don't get why people install on old computers. It's a super computing OS.
[04:34] <some0ne> amik What applications do you need to have down in order to migrate?
[04:34] <David_Edmundson> though it works on old computers, XP doesn't.
[04:34] <|lostbyte|> :D
[04:34] <some0ne> David_Edmundson: True, GNU+Linux and *BSD systems are the only way to get life out of them.
[04:34] <David_Edmundson> as long as you then don't think "bah! kubuntu is so much slower"
[04:34] <|lostbyte|> linux is an all rounder.
[04:35] <some0ne> For those of you out there who are making the mistake of calling the entire system Linux please read this: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
[04:35] <David_Edmundson> pretty much. though there's always a case of using the right tool for the job.
[04:36] <David_Edmundson> point taken, but we don't want to confuse people
[04:36] <sorush20> hi
[04:36] <sorush20> just wanted to know if I can have two simultanius root partitions so that if one fails then I can boot from the other use grub ?
[04:37] <some0ne> David_Edmundson: People are already confused. Most of the world and the business out there are confused.
[04:37] <David_Edmundson> the thing I hate most is the reffering to PC's when they mean windows
[04:37] <amik> We install on old computers because the new computers are the ones we use daily and would rather not render them unstable... (not by the alternative OS of course, but by our lack of knowledge of it)
[04:37] <David_Edmundson> sorush20: yes. you can
[04:37] <some0ne> David_Edmundson: Yeah me too. The whole "can I use PC software on Linux" is irritating.
[04:38] <David_Edmundson> sorush20: set it up, then in your menu.lst have the line root=hd(0,2) in the relevant backup entry
[04:38] <bambix> hi all
[04:38] <David_Edmundson> where 2 is the number of the other /root partition
[04:38] <some0ne> Yo
[04:38] <David_Edmundson> I work with Mac people all day, and they refer to PC's getting virus' etc.
[04:39] <bambix> is there a way to edit process priority in kubuntu?(sorry I'm new to linux)
[04:39] <sorush20> the problem is how do I set it up so that it backs up my data everynight at the same time
[04:39] <David_Edmundson> !nice
[04:39] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:39] <amik> plus, as u implied, running Kubuntu on an old box gives about the same performance as the newer box running XP, so it's another pc gained :-)
[04:40] <David_Edmundson> hmm. not totally true. I had to upgrade my ram from the whopping 256Mb that it used to be, because Amarok eats it all
[04:40] <|lostbyte|> David_Edmundson, does this nice give priority on who gets more byte from the internet, or simply for memory management ?
[04:40] <some0ne> amik Err, that depends on a lot of other factors. My dad was like "wtf" when he saw Ubuntu running on a 333mhz G3, and payed a lot of attention when he saw Firefox would render Google faster than Safari would on his 1.42 ghz Mac Mini.
[04:40] <bambix> in kubuntu everything stutters when I do anything, I open a window and everything lags for a second, most noticable with amarok, any suggestions?
[04:41] <David_Edmundson> simply proccesor
[04:41] <David_Edmundson> oh..not good.
[04:41] <amik> in order to migrate I need a whole bunch of stuff - apache,tomcat,mysql,vnc,scanner,printer,media player,tv out support,torrent,development environments for java and c++,subversion,answering machine (support for a voicemodem), and a plethora of other stuff...
[04:41] <bambix> it's a pIII 850 coppermine
[04:41] <amik> perhaps that explains why I'm taking it one step at a time on a secondary pc ;-)
[04:41] <David_Edmundson> bambix: type "top" in a terminal
[04:42] <David_Edmundson> amik: that's quite a lot, Tomcat/Java will be the biggest challenges
[04:42] <David_Edmundson> though there's nothing there that's impossible
[04:42] <David_Edmundson> sorush20: why do you want to do what you're doing
[04:42] <David_Edmundson> aaaaarg, so many convs at once
[04:42] <bambix> thnx david!!
[04:42] <bambix> hmmm
[04:42] <bambix> strange
[04:43] <bambix> both cpu and ram are hardly in use during the stutter
[04:43] <bambix> kernel variables?
[04:43] <some0ne> amik You're set then. Ktorrent is good. Use VLC for playing media. kdevelop is good from what I've seen and heard. svn apache mysql tightvnc and the like are a definite.
[04:43] <David_Edmundson> slightly odd then
[04:43] <David_Edmundson> bambix: there are a couple of speed boosts we can make
[04:44] <amik> really? I was expecting the java stuff to be simplest (not technically, but my-experience-wise. I know all about apache/tomcat configurations on winxp, so porting it I assume to be known territory)
[04:44] <bambix> i'm up for em
[04:44] <bambix> lay em on me =)
[04:44] <David_Edmundson> ok, first type uname -a and show me the output
[04:44] <amik> I saw svn 1.3.1 is the latest official ubuntu package... that's quite old...
[04:45] <David_Edmundson> (when doing tech support we always drop to terminal commands, as it's garunteed to be the same everywhere)
[04:45] <bambix> inux KubambiX 2.6.15-27-386 #1 PREEMPT Sat Sep 16 01:51:59 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:45] <amik> but first, back to the basics - what's the story with inetd/xinetd/inetutils-inetd? are some/all of them deprecated?
[04:45] <bambix> david is it ok we do this in pvt, no need to clutter the channel
[04:45] <sorush20> is there a diff between i686 or pentium 4?
[04:46] <David_Edmundson> right. The boost we can make is that so far the OS is only using instructions that would also work on a 386 computer. We can upgrade it to use some of the commands that Intel put into later proc's whcih will save a bit of time
[04:46] <David_Edmundson> can do
[04:46] <bambix> cool
[04:46] <some0ne> amik I have no idea. you shouldn't have to worry about them to have apache and such running.
[04:46] <bambix> ehm, i'm unregistered apparantly
[04:46] <David_Edmundson> me too
[04:46] <bambix> =)
[04:46] <sorush20> David_Edmundson: because  I want to be able to quickly recover if somtheing goes worng.. which it did today until someother time that I have to for recovery..
[04:47] <amik> sorry for the confusion - this is unrelated to the above list :-)
[04:47] <David_Edmundson> sorush20: ah ok
[04:47] <David_Edmundson> bambix: type sudo apt-get install linux-686
[04:47] <bambix> ok
[04:48] <amik> I just want to learn the system, which is more important to me than any particular app I install at the moment...
[04:48] <David_Edmundson> bambix: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[04:48] <bambix> sudo is /usr/bin/sudo
[04:48] <bambix> apt-get is /usr/bin/apt-get
[04:48] <bambix> install is /usr/bin/install
[04:48] <bambix> bash: type: linux-686: not found
[04:48] <bambix> kubuntu
[04:48] <David_Edmundson> I meant breezy/badger/dapper ?
[04:48] <amik> took a while to figure out how services start up with all the rc* stuff, still not sure what's the proper way to manage them (manually or via some script or even GUI?)
[04:48] <bambix> dapper i thknk
[04:49] <bambix> kubuntu uses dapper right?
[04:49] <bambix> uses adept
[04:49] <David_Edmundson> LOL, I've just realised what you typed
[04:49] <David_Edmundson> type "sudo apt-get install linux-686"
[04:49] <David_Edmundson> without the word type
[04:49] <David_Edmundson> or the speech marks
[04:49] <bambix> lolololol
[04:50] <David_Edmundson> that truly is the best thing I've seen today
[04:50] <bambix> omg can't believe i cp's the type part
[04:50] <bambix> such a noob me
[04:50] <bambix> lol
[04:51] <bambix> almost dumb enough for bash
[04:51] <bambix> so david
[04:51] <amik> and now I'm trying to figure out the proper way to install basic inet services (telnet,ftp,ssh,etc.) - regardless of whether I'll acually keep them open to the internet on my migration setup...
[04:51] <bambix> are we about to do a new kernel?
[04:51] <[GuS] > Hi guys
[04:52] <bambix> hi
[04:52] <[GuS] > one question... someones know why i cant see in systemsettings, in language and locale, the keyboard layout?
[04:52] <David_Edmundson> yep, it'll install alongside the current one
[04:52] <[GuS] > when i select it, non languages appear to select
[04:52] <[GuS] > i have latest edgy
[04:52] <David_Edmundson> because it's in a section called keyboard/hardware?
[04:53] <[GuS] > so, non keyboard layout language appears to select
[04:53] <[GuS] > :S
[04:53] <[GuS] > someone has this problem too?
[04:54] <dude> what is signal 11 (SISEGV)?
[04:55] <amik> I guess I'm stuck somewhere in the middle - a linux newbie with a very-advanced-user/developer state of mind... perhaps this is not the proper place for me :-)
[04:55] <amik> thanx anyway!
[04:55] <bambix> david, are we going to do the makefile thing?
[04:55] <David_Edmundson> erm...what?
[04:55] <bambix> i did that with gentoo several times and always managed to bork my kernel before i got it to work
[04:55] <bambix> with the kernel
[04:56] <bambix> we're recompiling the kernel right?
[04:56] <David_Edmundson> ah.. here in this world we don't  compile things, we download a binary that some other dudes compiled
[04:56] <bambix> =)
[04:56] <bambix> cool
[04:56] <bambix> this is a laptop btw, are thhere kernels specifically for this type (dell c600)
[04:56] <carlos> hello... i have problems, when i start kubuntu i have no sound AT ALL, but after a while it goes back to normal
[04:56] <Lynoure> Anyone successfully using Kpilot with a Palm Treo?
[04:57] <carlos> does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:59] <bambix> david, apt is done
[04:59] <bambix> what's the next step to salvation?
[04:59] <bambix> =)
[05:00] <carlos> anyone? please this is drivin me crazy
[05:01] <Lynoure> carlos: What kind of "after a while"? Anything in the logs around the time you get sound back?
[05:01] <bambix> David Edmunson, apt-get is done, what's next?
[05:01] <carlos> i dont know exactly how long but it guess like 20 minutes
[05:02] <David_Edmundson> reboot, select it from the list, and see if it's any quicker
[05:02] <bambix> list?
[05:02] <David_Edmundson> grub
[05:02] <bambix> ok I'll try brb
[05:02] <David_Edmundson> good luck!
[05:02] <grandejoe> hi all guys
[05:02] <bambix> i don't have to add it to grub? it's already there?
[05:02] <bambix> coolness
[05:02] <bambix> brb
[05:04] <joscha> hi, is there an howto on how to activate upstart in kubuntu rc?
[05:04] <teledyn> carlos: be more specific.  what does "i have no sound" mean?
[05:06] <bambix> back
[05:07] <bambix> i think that did the trick david =)
[05:07] <bambix> any more cool tweaks i should know about?
[05:09] <bambix> david?
[05:09] <carlos> ok... i cant listen to anything, mp3, mpeg, gaim, playing.... and when i get the speakers volume to the maximun i get a weird sound like a bee
[05:10] <David_Edmundson> yo bambix
[05:10] <David_Edmundson> any better/
[05:10] <bambix> heya
[05:11] <bambix> yes a lot
[05:11] <bambix> =)
[05:11] <bambix> still get an occasional stutter though
[05:11] <teledyn> carlos: maybe some process is claiming the sound device?   lsof |grep snd
[05:11] <bambix> any more cool tweaks?
[05:11] <David_Edmundson> np. the next thing for a significant speed bost is getting hardware acceleration on the graphics
[05:11] <David_Edmundson> what graphic card do you have?
[05:11] <bambix> it's a radeon mobility m3
[05:11] <bambix> (dell c600 notebook)
[05:12] <David_Edmundson> google for ATI and driver and ubuntu
[05:12] <carlos> kmix      5143     carlos   10u      CHR      116,0               9308 /dev/snd/                                                              controlC0
[05:12] <bambix> ok
[05:12] <David_Edmundson> I'm done with helping for now :-P
[05:12] <bambix> lol
[05:12] <bambix> fair enough
[05:12] <teledyn> David_Edmundson: linux-686 - Obsoleted by: linux-generic
[05:12] <bambix> thanks so far mate
[05:12] <David_Edmundson> ah, I wondered what linux-generic meant
[05:13] <teledyn> another tweak: install libc6-i686
[05:13] <David_Edmundson> I assume they'll keep in the meta package for a hilw
[05:13] <David_Edmundson> *while
[05:13] <teledyn> i'm not sure what that means.  does it mean there's no longer a 686 kernel?  we all must use a 486 one?
[05:13] <bambix> teledyn who me?
[05:14] <teledyn> bambix: if you want.  i you have a 686 box
[05:14] <bambix> pIII coppermine?
[05:14] <bambix> is 686?
[05:14] <David_Edmundson> yeah
[05:14] <teledyn> bambix: yes
[05:14] <bambix> oki =)
[05:14] <David_Edmundson> Pentium 1=586
[05:14] <David_Edmundson> above that is 686
[05:14] <bambix> ok
[05:14] <Ahmuck> i'v lost my taskbar.  any idea how to get it back ?
[05:14] <bambix> and the install command works for me? no apt-get?
[05:14] <David_Edmundson> Intel were told they couln't have a trademark as just a number, so they started calling them pentium
[05:14] <teledyn> i thought it was III and higher?
[05:15] <David_Edmundson> (yeah)
[05:15] <David_Edmundson>  used if you are running a 2.6 kernel on an i686 class CPU (check the
[05:15] <David_Edmundson>  output of `uname -m').  This includes Pentium Pro, Pentium II/III/IV,
[05:15] <teledyn> ah ok
[05:16] <bambix> it doesn't swallow"install libc6-i686"
[05:16] <teledyn> maybe the 686 kernels are being developed?
[05:16] <bambix> something about a destination operand?
[05:16] <teledyn> but then why would they obsolete the old 686 meta pkg?
[05:17] <David_Edmundson> I imagine it's a let make things easier by confusing everybody
[05:18] <Xal> When I upgrade to edgy, will all my settings remain in tact, such as ndiswrapper configuration?
[05:18] <David_Edmundson> theoretically
[05:18] <teledyn> i guess it would be simple enough  to recompile the kernel source for 686
[05:18] <bambix> guys?
[05:18] <Xal> Lol, I tried upgrading my desktop, but apparently forgot to install kubuntu-desktop.
[05:18] <bambix> it's not accepting "install libc6-i686"
[05:18] <David_Edmundson> sudo apt-get install...
[05:18] <Xal> I'm not sure if that's what messed things up though.
[05:18] <bambix> lol ok
[05:19] <Xal> After upgrading, I am unable to start my x server.
[05:19] <David_Edmundson> teledyn: looking at the apt-cache show, linux-generic = 386
[05:19] <bambix> already have it
[05:19] <bambix> lol
[05:19] <teledyn> David_Edmundson: ugh
[05:20] <serishema> hey, are there any known problems with the current kubuntu firefox package. I'm having firefox repeadedly crash. I've disabled all plugins, but i still have issues with crashes
[05:20] <teledyn> all optimizations from 486 on are lost?  that cannot be good
[05:20] <David_Edmundson> teledyn: default install is 386. we jsut have to tell people to upgrade as normal
[05:20] <David_Edmundson> I don't see why we dont' just have it install 686/k7 automatically on install
[05:20] <teledyn> David_Edmundson: upgrade to what?  there is no other one
[05:20] <battousai7> hola
[05:21] <David_Edmundson> to linux-686 I assume. it's still here in edgy
[05:21] <teledyn> David_Edmundson: its not
[05:21] <David_Edmundson> oh yeah
[05:21] <teledyn> linux-686 - Obsoleted by: linux-generic   <-- that's from edgy
[05:21] <ldjvp> hola k tal esta es mi primera ves con kubuntu y la verdad si me gusto KDE
[05:22] <zorglu_> !es
[05:22] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:22] <David_Edmundson> linux-image...686 exists still though
[05:22] <ldjvp> #kubuntu-es
[05:22] <teledyn> no
[05:24] <JorixB> I have this anoying problem that sometimes I press a key from the ins/del/home/end/pageup/pagedown block, I get an endless stream of ksnapshot windows, one after the other opens without end, no matter howmany I close again. Seems to some script is calling itself.
[05:26] <JorixB> It requires a hard reset, becouse my computer is too busy to start all this windows that it doesnt have the time to shut down properly (or to respond much to anything else)
[05:27] <JorixB> does anyone have an idea what could be the couse of this?
[05:28] <David_Edmundson> no sorry mate
[05:28] <David_Edmundson> you can probably recover from the situation with typing killall -9 ksnapshot in a terminal
[05:28] <bambix> i think i should be using the r128 driver, how do i see if I'm already using it, and if not, how do I start using it?
[05:29] <bambix> =)
[05:29] <bambix> |)
[05:29] <JorixB> even if I get the chance to enter a konsole, then still if I rapidly close them all they still apear to be comming
[05:29] <bambix> =)
[05:30] <David_Edmundson> bambix: type-     lsmod | grep r128
[05:30] <bambix> david, do i copy the type part this time?
[05:30] <bambix> or just the lsmod part?
[05:31] <JorixB> something else calls them because printscreen opens only one, just like it should. the key below that should open 0 but sometimes they open tons.
[05:31] <JorixB> It also happens randomly, not always.
[05:31] <David_Edmundson> from lsmod onwards
[05:31] <bambix> i think it swallowed it but no real response?
[05:32] <bambix> bambix@KubambiX:~$ lsmod | grep r128
[05:32] <bambix> bambix@KubambiX:~$
[05:32] <David_Edmundson> probably not running then
[05:32] <bambix> ok
[05:32] <bambix> i tried sude apt-get install r128 but it couldn't find any packges
[05:33] <David_Edmundson> look it up on google on how to install it
[05:33] <bambix> ok
[05:34] <AsheD> are there any commandline mp3 taggers that support id3v2 AND use an ISO charset?
[05:35] <David_Edmundson> I think there's one called id3v2
[05:35] <David_Edmundson> AsheD: learn to use apt-cache search
[05:35] <AsheD> David_Edmundson:: you think I haven't done that?
[05:35] <David_Edmundson> sorry
[05:36] <AsheD> id3v2 doesn't support ISO, eyeD3 doesn't do anything outside of ASCII 128 range, id3tool doesn't do id3v2, etc
[05:36] <BadRabbit320> running dapper, NO windows OS, how do I get icoutils running so I can use/edit my homemade MS cursors (vision problems...)
[05:37] <sorush20> Seveas: does you source have flash nine?
[05:37] <sorush20> !flash
[05:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:37] <David_Edmundson> BadRabbit320: in a terminal type apt-get install icoutils
[05:37] <Seveas> !flash9 | sorush20
[05:37] <ubotu> sorush20: Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[05:38] <David_Edmundson> my friend with vision problems uses the terminal a /lot/ because where it's all text you can just make the font bigger
[05:39] <BadRabbit320> David_Edmundson did that, but doesn't show in any menus...
[05:40] <shadowraven> good morning all
[05:41] <bambix> you know what the problem is about the out of the box desktop distro's? I don't even know if i'm using xorg or xfree86
[05:41] <David_Edmundson> teehee, you're using xorg
[05:41] <bambix> lol
[05:42] <shadowraven> anyone know why my dell e510 box hangs when loading the live CD does this with knoppix also
[05:42] <bambix> how do you know?
[05:42] <BadRabbit320> is there a prog in kubuntu that I can use like win explorer? (yep, I'm a noob) konq doesn't seem to do it
[05:42] <David_Edmundson> konq is what you want
[05:43] <David_Edmundson> what do you want it to do that it doesn't?
[05:43] <abattoir> shadowraven: try booting in the 'safe' mode
[05:43] <shadowraven> thanks
[05:44] <abattoir> shadowraven: the kubuntu live cd right? i'm not sure if the knoppix one has a similar feature
[05:44] <shadowraven> yes
[05:45] <BadRabbit320> David_Edmundson add some things into a "Downloads" folder (from a jumpdrive)
[05:46] <bambix> another strange question, am I using a 32bit or a 64 bit version of linux?
[05:47] <abattoir> BadRabbit320: type 'media:/' in konqueror, click on your flash disk, copy the files, go to your downloads folder and paste them there
[05:47] <abattoir> bambix: most likely 32, what does 'uname -r' say?
[05:47] <shadowraven> :abattoir : ok i loaded in safe mode, so what might be the problem?
[05:47] <abattoir> BadRabbit320: without the quotes
[05:47] <abattoir> shadowraven: it works?
[05:47] <bambix> bambix@KubambiX:~$ uname -r
[05:47] <bambix> 2.6.15-27-686
[05:47] <abattoir> bambix: 32-bit
[05:47] <shadowraven> :abattoir : yes
[05:47] <bambix> rgr
[05:48] <abattoir> shadowraven: it generally is a problem w/ the video card
[05:48] <BadRabbit320> David_Edmundson I'd also like to add some linux links into Firefox (again from a jumpdrive) so I don't have to enter them all in by hand
[05:48] <bambix> I'm downloading a 51mb run file, I assume it'll do everything for me?
[05:48] <abattoir> bambix: mostly it should, what are you trying to install?
[05:49] <shadowraven> :abattoir : is there a way to fix it?
[05:49] <bambix> ati drivers from tweakers .net
[05:49] <abattoir> shadowraven: from the livecd?
[05:49] <BadRabbit320> David_Edmundson dammm, seems simple once it's onscreen...
[05:49] <shadowraven> :abattoir : when i install t
[05:50] <abattoir> bambix: read their instructions for installation, if they have any, but i'd expect it to install when run w/ sudo
[05:50] <abattoir> shadowraven: which video card?
[05:50] <abattoir> shadowraven: yeah, it can be fixed after installation
[05:50] <bbt> is there an alternative ( gui ) way of setting up samba on egdy ?
[05:50] <bambix> ok
[05:51] <bbt> sys settings/sharing is borked for me
[05:51] <shadowraven> ati x1400
[05:51] <abattoir> shadowraven: ok, you can install the binary ati drivers after installing kubuntu
[05:54] <Ahmuck> i am interested in booting kubuntu from a seagate usb pocket drive (8G).  is this possible?
[05:54] <finalbeta> omeone who can tell me what QT version ships with Kubuntu Edgy? Need a feature that ships with QT 4.2.0
[05:55] <abattoir> finalbeta: edgy has 4.2
[05:55] <abattoir> Ahmuck: it's possible
[05:55] <finalbeta> abattoir, thank you.
[05:55] <lukasz_> hej!
[05:55] <lukasz_> I kill Konqueror & now I cant run it!
[05:56] <lukasz_> Sory - My english isn't good.
[05:56] <finalbeta> abattoir, trolltec included a clearlooks theme into 4.2 that would make apps look like GNOME. Perhaps I can move to KDE now. Might look a bit cleaner. Atleast if I can clean up the menu bar 2.
[05:56] <Ahmuck> will linux boot multiple devices from one usb cable ?  slim cd and laptop hard drive ?
[05:56] <abattoir> lukasz_: how did you kill it? have you tried launching it through a terminal(konsole), any error messages?
[05:57] <lukasz_> No. Any errors. I'm use graphic tool from menu to kill it
[05:57] <abattoir> finalbeta: which menubar do you refer to?
[05:57] <abattoir> lukasz_: you used xkill ?
[05:58] <finalbeta> abattoir, the main panel on the desktop, where apps "sit", with the start button etc.
[05:58] <abattoir> finalbeta: sure, you can configure to suit your needs
[05:59] <lukasz_> abattoir: No. I'm use System > KDE "Straznik systemu" (System procector? / System mionitor)
[05:59] <abattoir> lukasz_: have you tried restarting KDE?
[05:59] <lukasz_> abattoir: I have polish kubuntu so I don't know.
[06:00] <Ahmuck> my taskbar is gone, how do i get it back ?
[06:00] <lukasz_> I'm reboot computer.
[06:00] <Ismael> Hello.
[06:00] <abattoir> Ahmuck: only the taskbar or the entire panel ?
[06:00] <lukasz_> Now. When I'm running Konqueror I don't see it. But I see it on top.
[06:01] <Ahmuck> the entire panel.  i was autohiding it on the bottom, but it won't pop up
[06:01] <abattoir> lukasz_: you might have messed the settings up, do you want to try and 'reset' them?
[06:01] <abattoir> Ahmuck: try 'dcop kicker kicker restart' or 'killall kicker && kicker'
[06:01] <lukasz_> abattoir: Ok. I try it now.
[06:01] <Ismael> I'm having troubles with vmware running winxp. I set up Kde's http server to share some files, when I try to download them from my vmware winxp it only transfers around 200kB every 10 secs. Any idea what's wrong?
[06:02] <abattoir> lukasz_: back up ~/.kde/share/konquerorrc, and then remove it
[06:02] <abattoir> lukasz_: make sure all instances of konq. are closed before that
[06:02] <lukasz_> ok
[06:02] <lukasz_> thanks
[06:03] <lukasz_> I haven't ~/.kde/share/konquerorrc, !!
[06:03] <abattoir> lukasz_: sorry, my mistake, ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[06:04] <Ahmuck> abattoir: i get "could not attach to DCOP server"
[06:04] <bambix> Ok I downloaded the run file but it doesn't really run when i click it
[06:04] <abattoir> Ahmuck: when you do what?
[06:04] <abattoir> Ahmuck: are you running as root?
[06:04] <Ahmuck> dcop kicker kicker restart
[06:04] <Ahmuck> sudo
[06:04] <abattoir> no, don't use sudo
[06:05] <Ahmuck> ok
[06:05] <abattoir> bambix: you have to run it in a terminal
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> I often get an error when I right click the the dcop server couldn't be reached, any ideas why?
[06:05] <abattoir> bambix: were there any instructions at that site?
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> when I right click an icon that is.
[06:05] <Ahmuck> same thing
[06:05] <bambix> abattoir, thnx will do
[06:05] <abattoir> Ahmuck: you still get the same error?
[06:06] <Ahmuck> yes
[06:06] <abattoir> Ahmuck: are you in a root shell?
[06:06] <Ahmuck> yes
[06:06] <abattoir> Ahmuck: please exit
[06:06] <bambix> bash: ati-driver-installer-8.28.8-run: command not found
[06:06] <Ahmuck> exit the root shell ?
[06:06] <abattoir> bambix: try 'sudo sh ./ati-....'
[06:06] <abattoir> Ahmuck: yes, or open one as normal user
[06:07] <RD58> please how can i unninstall flash 7?what is is the commmand line?
[06:07] <abattoir> RD58: did you install the package from the repos?
[06:07] <bambix> command not found
[06:07] <RD58> yes
[06:08] <RD58> abattoir>can you help-me?
[06:08] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree" or use Adept
[06:08] <Ahmuck> done
[06:08] <RD58> ok thanks
[06:08] <abattoir> Ahmuck: ok, did you get kicker back?
[06:08] <abattoir> Ahmuck: the panel, i meant
[06:08] <Ahmuck> nope
[06:09] <Jucato> abattoir: kicker isn't running?
[06:09] <Ahmuck> this is really odd
[06:09] <abattoir> Ahmuck: ok, do a 'killall kicker', then 'rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc' and then 'kicker'
[06:09] <Ahmuck> kicker is running, i can see it when i do a ps -ax
[06:09] <abattoir> Jucato: he set hide on, he can't seem to get it back
[06:10] <Jucato> Ahmuck: have you tried getting into System Settings? (Alt+F2, "systemsettings") and trying to unhide it?
[06:10] <Ahmuck> i've had hide on for over a year now
[06:11] <Jucato> Ahmuck: sometimes it acts strangely and the panel relocates to another place/position... (don't know why, but happens to me)
[06:11] <lukasz_> It isn't work. I don't know where is problem - but I have XGL.
[06:11] <Ahmuck> yes, i have looked at that as well, ok, i took hiding off, but no panel anywhere.  i have tried all four sides and corners
[06:11] <abattoir> Ahmuck: did you do what i asked you to do?
[06:12] <Ahmuck> i think i might try to rm it and rebuild it
[06:12] <Ahmuck> abattoir: trying now
[06:12] <Ahmuck> woot, thank you
[06:13] <lukasz_> It was working yesterday. Then konqueror was stopped. I kill it. I cant turn on it so I was restarting computer. I cant turn on it now.
[06:13] <ubuntu> ke hondas.
[06:13] <bambix> I've downloaded ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run from ati but how do i install it?
[06:13] <Jucato> !ati
[06:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:13] <Ahmuck> something else that happned, the gamma is out of the ballpark, same time when this happened
[06:13] <Jucato> bambix: you might try out that link ^^^^
[06:14] <ubuntu> any body speak in spanish
[06:14] <bambix> thnx
[06:14] <abattoir> !es
[06:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:14] <abattoir> ubuntu: ^^^
[06:14] <ubuntu> ok.. thanks
[06:15] <Ahmuck> ah, got my gamma back.  i switched monitors yesterday and switched the settings and changed the gamma, but i would not think this would have affected the panel
[06:15] <tremaljack> ciao a tutti
[06:16] <tremaljack> ci sono italiani?
[06:16] <Ismael> !it
[06:16] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:16] <ubuntu> hmm...
[06:16] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-es
[06:16] <ubuntu> jaja
[06:17] <abattoir> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-es
[06:17] <abattoir> ubuntu: or just click on it
[06:17] <ubuntu> ok thanks
[06:18] <dude_> jucato: hello
[06:18] <Jucato> hi dude_ :)
[06:19] <dude_> jucato: what is signal 11 ( SISEGV ) ?
[06:19] <Jucato> err...
[06:19] <Jucato> dunno? @_@
[06:20] <dude_> k
[06:20] <fdoving> dude_: man:/usr/share/man/man7/signal.7.gz in firefox
[06:20] <fdoving> ehm..
[06:20] <fdoving> dude_: ment in konqueror.
[06:20] <fdoving> firefox is amazingly easy to type compared to konqueror. :)
[06:20] <dude_> fdoving: k tnx
[06:21] <coolzero> salut a tou
[06:21] <Clinton__> By default, does Kubuntu looks for updates on a daily/weekly basis?
[06:21] <dude_> im planning to install edubuntu to my other low end pc for my kids
[06:22] <dude_> i wana introduce them to linux
[06:23] <dude_> any comment? : )
[06:23] <dude_> comments or suggestions
[06:24] <bambix> is there an easy way to start using the r128 drivers? I'm getting huge manuals and they scare the **** out of me
[06:24] <Ismael> dude_: Only that I wished my parents had given me a linux pc too :)  I learnt/knew only dos/win until very recently
[06:25] <bambix> same pc, different os
[06:26] <dude_> Ismael: so is it ok to intoduce them to use linux than windows?
[06:26] <bambix> sure why not
[06:26] <Ismael> dude_: I'm pretty sure they'll find out to use it perfectly.
[06:26] <bambix> thing is
[06:26] <abattoir> bambix: any particular reason you need those drivers?
[06:27] <bambix> the corporate world uses windows for their desktops, chances are they'll need to use windows a lot
[06:27] <bambix> wish it were differenct
[06:27] <bambix> linux r-cks
[06:28] <Ismael> dude_: as bambix says, windows is used everywhere... So, "make" them learn it too. I don't think that swapping between win and lin will cause them any confusion, so give them a bit of both
[06:28] <bambix> and it'll rule when i get my videocard running properly
[06:28] <dude_> ismael: hmmm
[06:28] <fdoving> Clinton__: once a day.
[06:28] <Clinton__> fdoving: ty
[06:29] <dude_> ismael: maybe a dual boot will do
[06:29] <dude_> :)
[06:30] <bambix> can someone help me install the r128 drivers?
[06:30] <fdoving> Clinton__: you can configure that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update first line is set to "1" for 'update every 1 day'. 2 if you want every second day.. etc.
[06:30] <Clinton__> fdoving: good to know! thanks
[06:30] <fdoving> Clinton__: you're welcome :)
[06:31] <Ismael> dude_: Yup, try to get them to use the command line too. Get some cli games. It may seem weird, but it's really the best time to learn it.
[06:31] <dude_> ismael: ok i will, tnx
[06:42] <abattoir> !info kynaptic
[06:42] <ubotu> Package kynaptic does not exist in any distro I know
[06:46] <Jucato> !nvidia > Jucato
[06:51] <hammer> hi there!
[06:52] <hammer> if i want to use my panasonic nv-gs180 as a webcam, i need then video4linux compiled in kernel?
[06:55] <arunkale> hey people
[06:55] <arunkale> it's been quite a while since i've been on :)
[06:55] <Jucato> ooh hi arunkale :)
[06:55] <arunkale> Hey Jucato
[06:55] <arunkale> What's up!
[06:55] <Jucato> not much. :)
[06:55] <Jucato> Edgy release in a few days
[06:56] <dude_> bye guys....
[06:56] <Jucato> bye dude_
[06:56] <arunkale> yeah, 26th right?
[06:56] <dude_> bye jucato....
[06:56] <Jucato> yep
[06:56] <BluesKaj> I wonder how jammed the Edgy mirror sites will be on thurs ;)
[06:56] <arunkale> i'm excited about it
[06:56] <arunkale> but on the other hand
[06:56] <arunkale> i have a 64kbps connection, and it will take forever to update
[06:57] <Jucato> hm.. probably not as much compared to Dapper?
[06:57] <arunkale> how big is the update?
[06:57] <Jucato> arunkale: what do you mean by "how big"?
[06:57] <arunkale> Jucato: I mean how many MBS
[06:57] <arunkale> MBs
[06:58] <Jucato> still on 1 CD :)
[06:58] <Jucato> I'm not sure of the exact size
[06:58] <Hawkwind> 695MB's IIRC
[07:00] <arunkale> 695MB will take me like 72 hours
[07:01] <Jucato> arunkale: well... you can always *not* upgrade... or upgrade later... or... um... :)
[07:01] <arunkale> haha
[07:01] <arunkale> i'll have to set 3 days aside just for this
[07:04] <arunkale> if i download Edgy and burn it to a CD, can i just upgrade the current Dapper installation with the CD, or do I have to do a fresh install?
[07:05] <BonBonTheJon> arunkale: you can just upgrade dapper to edgy
[07:05] <Jucato> arunkale: that I wouldn't know. but it would probably only work if you download the Alternate Install CD
[07:05] <dek> anyone got WMV videos streaming to work in Opera? They work in Konqueror with Xine plug-in
[07:06] <arunkale> BonBonTheJon: I have a 64kbps internet connection, upgrading will take a long time
[07:06] <arunkale> since the upgrade is 695MB
[07:07] <BonBonTheJon> arunkale: some stuff won't change, so no use downloading what you don't need to
[07:08] <arunkale> BonBonTheJon, Jucato: Is the entire installer CD 695MB? Or is the upgrade from Dapper 695MB
[07:08] <davidenik> good evening
[07:08] <BonBonTheJon> arunkale: thats probably the CD
[07:08] <BonBonTheJon> hi davidenik
[07:09] <arunkale> BonBonTheJon: How big do you think the upgrade is?
[07:09] <davidenik> hi BonBonTheJon
[07:09] <BonBonTheJon> arunkale: I dont know, but it would seem to make sense that some files didnt change
[07:10] <amik> just to make sure: to upgrade from a pre-release edgy to the RC or soon the release, an apt-get update/upgrade is sufficient?
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon> amik, arunkale: try asking in #ubuntu+1, thats the channel for edgy
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon> this is mainly a channel for dapper
[07:11] <fdoving> amik: yes you can. installing the upgrades is enought.
[07:11] <christopher> could somebody take some time and try to help me get my sound working? I have no idea where to start looking.
[07:12] <fdoving> !sound
[07:12] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:12] <arunkale> BonBonTheJon: thanks!
[07:12] <Jucato> actually, dist-upgrade...
[07:12] <Jucato> fdoving: dist-upgrade or upgrade only?
[07:13] <fdoving> Jucato: from edgy to final edgy, installing the updates proposed by adept notifier is enought.
[07:13] <Jucato> fdoving: afaik, Adept uses Full Upgrade (dist-upgrade) by default
[07:13] <amik> so upgrade only does minor version upgrades, and dist-upgrade does major (dapper->edgy etc.) upgrades?
[07:13] <fdoving> Jucato: let's hope so, if it didn't new packages wouldn't be installed.
[07:14] <Jucato> or some packages wouldn't be removed....
[07:14] <fdoving> amik: 'apt-get upgrade' upgrades the packages you already have installed. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' can remove and install additional packages, as needed.
[07:15] <fdoving> amik: if you just use adept and install the updates when adept notifier notifies you about new updates (icon in the systray) you'll be fine.
[07:17] <amik> btw, what exactly is the difference between apt-* and aptitude? they seem to have a nearly identical cli, and from what I understood aptitude uses apt-* as a backend anyway...
[07:18] <Jucato> amik: one special feature of aptitude is the way it handles metapackages and dependencies. It can remove the dependencies that were installed with a package, unlike aptget
[07:18] <Ismael> amik: if you run "aptitude" with no parameters, it will run a console gui
[07:19] <Jucato> afaik, aptitude also has a special (more human-readable) log for what it does
[07:19] <dek> anyone got WMV videos streaming to work in Opera? They work in Konqueror with Xine plug-in
[07:19] <Jucato> dek: just a hunch, maybe there's an #opera channel?
[07:19] <amik> will aptitude remove dependencies only for installations done through it, or do both cli's save the dependency data but only aptitude 'undoes' it?
[07:20] <Ismael> amik: I think only aptitude remembers and uses the info
[07:20] <amik> (i.e., is it too late if I've always used apt-get until now?)
[07:20] <Ismael> amik: There's always deborphan, use with care!
[07:20] <Jucato> yes. but in Edgy, there's an autoremove feature in apt-get that functions similarly to aptitude
[07:21] <amik> jucato: so in edgy they are really practically identical, other than the log file?
[07:21] <Jucato> amik: I'm not absolutely sure on the status of autoremove...
[07:21] <BluesKaj> dek there's a media wrap for Firefox , but I'm not aware of one for Opera...if you want , this is the FF site for Media wrap :  http://mediawrap.mozdev.org/
[07:21] <vge> hmm, is kubuntu cool for 128Mb of memory?
[07:22] <Ismael> vge: I don't think it will run nicely
[07:22] <Jucato> vge: hm... honestly... I don't think so
[07:22] <vge> hmm, what would you recommend
[07:22] <Ismael> vge: Xubuntu?
[07:22] <vge> whats the difference?
[07:22] <Jucato> !xubuntu
[07:22] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:22] <Ismael> vge: it uses XFCE, which is more lightweigth
[07:22] <fdoving> amik: i -think- apt-get can only autoremove what has been installed through it. And i also -think- aptitude can handle the apt-get autoremoves. not sure though.. haven't investigated. I only use adept and apt-get
[07:23] <BluesKaj> i had it on an old 233mhz pc with 128RAM ...was pretty slow :(
[07:23] <dek> BluesKaj: I'll check it out
[07:23] <amik> well in any case, it's strange to have two so similar apps... they should merge both or deprecate one of them - would be less confusing :-)
[07:23] <vge> All i want to know if i can run Internet and openoffice with it ;)
[07:24] <vge> is it easy to use? as it comes to person who practically knows nothing about computers and just want to write stuff?
[07:24] <BluesKaj> yup, no probs vge , should run internet and OO if you have the patience :)
[07:24] <fdoving> amik: it's a matter of taste, i prefer apt-get to aptitude, others prefer aptitude.. and so on. everyone is free to choose :)
[07:24] <Ismael> vge: the problem is that kde needs a bit of ram to run.. XFCE needs less ram, so that leaves more available for OO and inet
[07:25] <amik> fdoving: of course, that's what OSS is all about - though too much freedom can get messy ;-)
[07:25] <otaku-san> Could I compile the latest firefox and overwrite the firefox I have with it?
[07:25] <Jucato> amik: you always have the choice *not* to choose. use the default :)
[07:26] <otaku-san> Pretty n00b question when I think about it actually....
[07:26] <amik> btw apt-get does leave behind a dpkg.log somehwere which is better than nothing
[07:26] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: why compile? Look into swiftfox
[07:26] <vge> ill give xubuntu a shot, ty for ansvers
[07:26] <Jucato> amik: yep. definitely :)
[07:27] <amik> jucato: what's considered the default in this case? they're both installed by default, and references to both appear around the docs...
[07:27] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Your on all the time arn't you? ;p  No I'm to attached to Firefox...
[07:27] <Jucato> amik: hm... the default would seem to be apt-get
[07:27] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: I won't even use IceWeasel
[07:27] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: I am on a lot, and swiftfox is an optimized firefox
[07:27] <TheGateKeeper> vge: Xfce is supposed to be more lightweight than kde, having said that when I used it on a P3 Dell I didn't notice any appreciable difference in performance
[07:28] <Jucato> otaku-san: Swiftfox *is* Firefox just compiled/optimized for  different architectures
[07:28] <Jucato> although I'm not absolutely sure if they have added anything else (except for the logo?)
[07:28] <amik> thanks guys... off to upgrade to edgy :-)
[07:29] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper: dek is using a P2 by the look of it ..128mb of ram is prolly a machine more than 6 yrs old
[07:29] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: how much RAM did it have?
[07:29] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ohhhh Optimized???  Hehehe I have to get off so throw your sales pitch at me fast!
[07:29] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: 128Mb
[07:29] <Jucato> oh
[07:30] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: it is compiled for a specific processor, instead of for all
[07:30] <dek> BluesKaj: me? wtf
[07:30] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: it claims to work faster and with less memory leats
[07:30] <BonBonTheJon> leaks*
[07:30] <vge> hmm, guess ill try both :P
[07:30] <k-andrei> Good evening.
[07:30] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: Jucato the real difference in performance I see is when you move from kubuntu to arch linux
[07:30] <vge> as im not really in a hurry
[07:30] <TehUni> i just deleted a file in konsole on accident. can i get it back? it's small
[07:30] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: well... :)
[07:31] <Jucato> TehUni: afaik, no
[07:31] <TheGateKeeper> vge: good plan :-)
[07:31] <k-andrei> Question: what should I use as the equivalent of Y! Messenger for linux?
[07:31] <vge> small one are the most important usually :P
[07:31] <k-andrei> I'm currently working on Kubuntu Linux
[07:31] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Hmm I'll have to google it when I get back on....Well talk to you later
[07:31] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: take care
[07:31] <Jucato> k-andrei: Kopete can handle Yahoo, MSN, G-Talk (through jabber), AIM, etc
[07:31] <TehUni> bah! i deleted my sources.list! heh.. there's got to be a way
[07:31] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource
[07:31] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:31] <Jucato> TehUni: you can make another one...
[07:31] <k-andrei> Some people have recommended Gaim
[07:32] <k-andrei> for use instead of Meseenger.
[07:32] <talyz> Kopete is better...
[07:32] <Jucato> k-andrei: well, since you're on Kubuntu/#kubuntu, that's why I said Kopete
[07:32] <BluesKaj> dek, what is you pc?
[07:32] <TehUni> BonBonTheJon: edgy isnt available there  :\
[07:32] <BluesKaj> your
[07:32] <k-andrei> i'm new in the Linux community :D
[07:33] <k-andrei> I'm still in the early learning stages...
[07:33] <BonBonTheJon> TehUni: make a new one with dapper, then in kate replace dapper with edgy
[07:33] <Jucato> TehUni: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources <--- get the basic list from Dapper, replace dapper with edgy, don't include the PLF and dapper-commercial repos (your choice)
[07:33] <DaBlade> Hello
[07:33] <k-andrei> Well, thanx.
[07:33] <k-andrei> Good night
[07:33] <talyz> I've been there for nearly three years now...
[07:33] <talyz> ;)
[07:33] <DaBlade> I'm trying to help my cousin install Kubuntu over IM
[07:33] <talyz> hehe
[07:33] <DaBlade> Does Kubuntu have a ppp dialer?
[07:33] <DaBlade> like kppp?
[07:33] <Jucato> DaBlade: yes. it should be there
[07:34] <Jucato> K Menu -> Internet -> KPPP
[07:34] <DaBlade> Jucato: Ok. Thanks
[07:34] <dek> BluesKaj: Pentium 4 2.66 GHz, 512 MB RAM
[07:34] <Bernardo> hi
[07:35] <TehUni> Jucato: why no plf ?
[07:35] <BluesKaj> dek, then kubuntu will run very nicely on your pc
[07:35] <Bernardo> anyone can help me with squid and edgy?
[07:36] <Jucato> TehUni: your choice to include them or not. their not official Ubuntu repos
[07:36] <TehUni> oh, ok
[07:36] <Jucato> TehUni: you might (or might not) want to include the Canonical dapper-commercial repo. depends if you want to install Opera or Real Player from that repo
[07:37] <dek> BluesKaj: I think you are confusing, I am using Latest Kubuntu Edgy, I asked how to make WMV streaming work in Opera :P
[07:37] <BonBonTheJon> of the people who have installed edgy, does anyone see a performance improvement
[07:38] <dek> BonBonTheJon: yes, it is definitely faster
[07:39] <wheatie> BonBonTheJon, on boot up for sure.
[07:39] <BonBonTheJon> ok, becuase I'm debating whether to do the upgrade
[07:39] <talyz> dek: Have you tried adding the plf repo and downloaded the w32codecs ?
[07:40] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: just keep in mind that Edgy will be edgy... so if you want super stable.. you know where to stay :)
[07:40] <Lynoure> BonBonTheJon: I have decided to wait till it is officially out and then a bit
[07:40] <dek> talyz: I have w32codecs installed and running. What is plf repo?
[07:40] <Jucato> dek: an unofficial repo where you can download and install some nonfree stuff (like w32codecs)
[07:40] <Lynoure> BonBonTheJon: That way I can hear if someone has problems I do not want to have :)
[07:40] <BluesKaj> oops , sorry dek ...yer right , i'm old so I get confused sometimes :)
[07:41] <dek> but there is no "easy installable" plug in for Opera, I'm going to try compile Mplayer myself
[07:42] <BluesKaj> I was thinking of another 3 lettered nick, vge
[07:42] <talyz> dek: Why don't you just switch to a more compatible browser?
[07:42] <Arlington> hi! when i try to start amarok it won't start. but when i run it as root it starts.
[07:43] <BluesKaj> opers is eye candy in some ways vs FF :)
[07:43] <BluesKaj> opera
[07:43] <dek> talyz: because Opera is the best :P WMV streaming is the only thing left to make it work as I like
[07:44] <vge> BluesKaj: too bad some nerd got it allready :/
[07:44] <talyz> dek: Ok. Liked Opera when I used Windows, but on Kubuntu, I prefer Konqueror...
[07:44] <BluesKaj> good luck dek
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: someone might object but at the console type 'sudo chmod 777 amarok'
[07:44] <scion> hello all
[07:45] <talyz> dek: Did you install Opera from Canonical Commercial?
[07:45] <Arlington> i don't wan't to do that. i wan't to find the reson for the problem. thanks anyway!
[07:45] <Arlington> all this problems started when i added a folder to my share. is there any configuration file that i can delete for amarok and then do a fresh install?
[07:46] <dek> talyz: from Opera's official repos
[07:46] <scion> found a great site - http://www.retrojunk.com/
[07:46] <scion> WOW... realy brings back memories
[07:46] <talyz> dek: Oh, they have repos as well? And you can't find any plugins there, then?
[07:47] <Sanne> Arlington: try running amarok from a konsole and look if you get any error messages, might help find out what's wrong.
[07:47] <dek> talyz: here http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/#mplayer it says you should compile MPlayer
[07:48] <andresmujica> Hi, anyone can point me to an official xgl howto for dapper?  or a well tested guide?
[07:48] <BonBonTheJon> !xgl
[07:48] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:48] <dek> or GXine
[07:48] <talyz> dek: Lazy bastards, Opera... ;)
[07:49] <dek> :P
[07:50] <fabionet> ci sono italiani qui?
[07:50] <BluesKaj> !it
[07:50] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:50] <vge> no hablo pablo
[07:50] <vge> sorry, wrong channel :/
[07:51] <fabionet> ok
[07:51] <Arlington> does amarok have any config file?
[07:54] <Arlington> does amarok have any config file?
[07:55] <scion> Arlington: don't think so, what you wanna change?
[07:55] <Arlington> after adding a new drectory to my share it dosn't start :-(
[07:55] <BluesKaj> # kubuntu.org packages for the latest amaroK version (packages, GPG key: 40976EAF437D05B5)
[07:55] <BluesKaj> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[07:56] <Sanne> Arlington: try running amarok from a konsole and look if you get any error messages, might help find out what's wrong.
[07:56] <scion> Arlington: your collection?
[07:56] <Arlington> scion: yes.
[07:57] <Arlington> sanne: done that but i'am not very good at linux.
[07:57] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: open konsole and run 'amarok' then pastebin what it says
[07:58] <Sanne> Arlington: could you open konsole and type amarok? If so, what did it say?
[07:58] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin
[07:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:00] <Furesho> back for more.
[08:01] <Arlington> sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27850/
[08:02] <davidenik> see you to everyone
[08:02] <davidenik> and have a nice night!
[08:03] <Sanne> Arlington: wow, lots of stuff, a bit too advanced for me. BonBonTheJon, can you make something of this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27850/
[08:03] <afm\colossus> hello everyone
[08:03] <sorush20> where should I put all my bineries in ?
[08:03] <afm\colossus> anyone else having the problem that after inserting a optical medium in a drive and selecting "Do Nothing" in the popup, it gets mounted anyway?
[08:04] <Furesho> comical is the name of the first app that i've run across that's not available via adept. so, i need to build it from the source. first question: in adept, i see gcc 3.3 and 4.0. any reason i should NOT install 4.0?
[08:04] <afm\colossus> Furesho: some broken software maybe won't compile with GCC 4.x
[08:04] <afm\colossus> apart from that, don't waste a thought on 3.x
[08:04] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: try running amarokapp and re-pastebin it
[08:04] <Furesho> hmmm.....
[08:04] <Furesho> 3.3 it is
[08:05] <BonBonTheJon> sorush20: what kind of binaries are you trying to put
[08:05] <BonBonTheJon> sorush20: you should us adept to install software
[08:05] <Sanne> sorush20: self installed binaries can go somewhere under /usr/local, because the package manager doesn't manage that directory tree.
[08:05] <afm\colossus> in /opt it's fine, too
[08:06] <sorush20> I'm installing google earth.. and its asking me to install binaries..
[08:06] <BonBonTheJon> !googleearth
[08:06] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html
[08:06] <BonBonTheJon> thats no help
[08:07] <Furesho> okay. gcc-3.3 installed. now, i got the source to Comical (the .tar.gz file)..... now what?
[08:07] <Arlington> BonBonTheJon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27853/
[08:08] <Sanne> sorush20: I would give it it's own folder somewhere under /usr/local or /opt (you need to run the installer as sudo)
[08:08] <Furesho> ............uhhh.....
[08:08] <Furesho> oh. not me.
[08:08] <Furesho> ^__^:
[08:09] <Sanne> oh, gotta run, bye all
[08:10] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: do you have 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main' in your sources.list
[08:10] <Arlington> nope.
[08:11] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: add that, upgrade, then see if it works
[08:11] <Arlington> BonBonTheJon: thanks i'll try tht.
[08:12] <BluesKaj> Arlington: you may need this as well . # kubuntu.org packages for the latest amaroK version (packages, GPG key: 40976EAF437D05B5)
[08:12] <Arlington> nothing upgradable :-(
[08:13] <Arlington> BluesKaj: what do you mean and how do i do it?
[08:13] <BluesKaj> add it to your sources list above the previous URL that BonBonTheJon posted
[08:14] <root> hi all
[08:14] <scion> hello Qaldune
[08:14] <BonBonTheJon> BluesKaj: that only tells you the gpg key, you need to add it
[08:14] <BluesKaj> root..change your nick quick!
[08:14] <Qaldune> can anyone tell me how to change the resolution and refresh frecuency under kubuntu dapper with nvidia drivers installed?
[08:14] <afm\colossus> anyone else having the problem that after inserting an optical medium in a drive and selecting "Do Nothing" in the popup, it gets mounted anyway?
[08:14] <scion> Qaldune: yeah
[08:15] <Qaldune> scion: plz tell me then
[08:15] <TheGateKeeper> Qaldune: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:15] <scion> Qaldune: press Alt+F2
[08:15] <BluesKaj> BonBonTheJon: they go together
[08:15] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: run 'gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 40976EAF437D05B5'
[08:15] <Qaldune> ok
[08:15] <scion> Qaldune: type kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:15] <Qaldune> i should see the conf field in xorg.conf
[08:15] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: run 'gpg --export --armor 40976EAF437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -'
[08:16] <Arlington> what is suppose to come out of that?
[08:16] <scion> scroll down halfway and add the desired resolution in quotations before the others
[08:16] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: you will be able to get updates from latest-amarok
[08:16] <Arlington> okay.
[08:17] <Qaldune> what should i change in xorg.conf?=
[08:17] <Qaldune> what field?
[08:17] <scion> Qaldune: as for the refresh rate be very careful!
[08:17] <Qaldune> i know scion
[08:17] <David_Edmundson> just make sure you know how to edit the file/get on IRC without X running :-D
[08:17] <Arlington> how do you guys know all this?
[08:17] <scion> Qaldune: scroll down to Section "Screen"
[08:17] <Qaldune> i've got it
[08:17] <Qaldune> what else
[08:18] <Arlington> my adept dosn't find anything anyway :-/
[08:18] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource > Arlington
[08:18] <fdoving> !away > vooxo[a] 
[08:18] <scion> and you'll see a bunch of resolutions... add yours in front of the others
[08:18] <VooXo[a] > sorry about that.... :)
[08:18] <Qaldune> yes i see a lot of resolution and mine first
[08:18] <Qaldune> ok
[08:19] <Qaldune> and what about refresh frecuency?
[08:19] <scion> mine is "1440x900" but i presume your looking for "1280x1024"??
[08:19] <zorglu_> Arlington: enable the proper repository
[08:19] <Qaldune> yes i've got that resolution thing
[08:19] <Qaldune> but what about refresh rate
[08:19] <Qaldune> is it in xorg.conf too?
[08:20] <scion> Qaldune: close all applications and press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X server
[08:20] <Arlington> zorglu_: it is enabled.
[08:20] <scion> Qaldune: refresh rate is in xorg.conf also
[08:20] <scion> Qaldune: in section above called Section "Monitor"
[08:20] <Qaldune> mmmmmm
[08:21] <Qaldune> there's only identifier and option fields in that section
[08:21] <scion> Qaldune: i have
[08:21] <scion> 	HorizSync	28-51
[08:21] <scion> 	VertRefresh	43-60
[08:21] <scion> as well as the two you mentioned
[08:21] <Qaldune> mmmmmm i dont'
[08:22] <zorglu_> !modeline
[08:22] <ubotu> A Modeline is a configuration line in the X server configuration file that provides information about a connected computer monitor or television and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. here is 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://www.bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[08:22] <zorglu_> i just created this one, tell me if you find it usefull
[08:22] <Qaldune> you think it would be ok if i add that fields with the refresh rate i deserve?
[08:22] <scion> Qaldune: well add them in and change the numbers to your monitors specification
[08:22] <Qaldune> ok
[08:23] <Qaldune> what does exactly the numbers mean?
[08:23] <scion> be very careful!
[08:23] <scion> Qaldune: they are the refresh rates
[08:23] <Qaldune> the ref rate deserved or the min-max allowed rates?
[08:23] <scion> they are the min to max rates
[08:23] <Qaldune> ok
[08:24] <Qaldune> i know if i screw it up with the max i will destroy my screen but will I too if i put the min rates wrongly?
[08:24] <bma_> \j #lofoten
[08:24] <Qaldune> i'm not sure of min rates
[08:24] <scion> Qaldune: what monitor you got?
[08:25] <Qaldune> PHILIPS 107T
[08:25] <zerozero> has anyone had problems running eclipse on kubuntu?
[08:26] <zorglu_> zerozero: i run it all day long. which problem do you meet ?
[08:26] <zerozero> zorglu_: it starts to conume more memory, the heap size grows then it locks up
[08:27] <zerozero> i uninstalled it and am reinstalling it now
[08:27] <zorglu_> zerozero: how much memory does it use ?
[08:27] <scion> Qaldune: try Horizontal: 30 - 71 KHz and Vertical: 50 - 160 Hz
[08:28] <zerozero> i dn't know, i'll have to check when I get it reinstlled
[08:28] <scion> from http://www.superwarehouse.com/Philips_107T_17_CRT_Monitor/107T41/ps/207504
[08:28] <Qaldune> Ok
[08:28] <Qaldune> i guess i can trust you lol...
[08:28] <scion> lol
[08:28] <zorglu_> zerozero: 1. it is using a lot of memory by default :) 2. there is a memory leaks with the X server
[08:29] <zorglu_> zerozero: but it never locked up here
[08:29] <Qaldune> well i don't know much about this refresh rate stuff but...
[08:29] <Qaldune> do u think a vertical 160 max rate is normal?
[08:29] <zerozero> heap size 62, of 75m
[08:29] <zerozero> that is just after starting it
[08:29] <zorglu_> zerozero: mine use 350mbyte of virtual memory and 84mbyte and rss
[08:29] <zorglu_> zerozero: wow!!! ok
[08:29] <zorglu_> zerozero: mine is like 10-15mbyte
[08:29] <scion> sounds a bit high
[08:30] <zerozero> it will hang in a few minutes
[08:30] <Qaldune> yes
[08:30] <Qaldune> i think i will put 75 as max that's the higher refresh rate i've seen in this screen
[08:30] <Qaldune> ok
[08:30] <Qaldune> i've got
[08:30] <Furesho> okay. i got gcc-3.3 installed. now, i got the source to Comical (the .tar.gz file) that i need to build from, so..... now what?
[08:30] <zorglu_> zerozero: and the heap size grows ? i mean you do something on it or it grows aline ?
[08:30] <scion> reduce it if you like but i was going from the specs in the link
[08:30] <zerozero> it just grows by it'self
[08:30] <Qaldune> so if i restart X server now i will get the max rate from a given resolution?
[08:30] <zorglu_> zerozero: please put my nick on the sentence for me
[08:31] <zerozero> zorglu_: sorry :)
[08:31] <zorglu_> zerozero: and you didnt load any project ?
[08:31] <zerozero> not uyet
[08:31] <zorglu_> zerozero: ohhhhhh ok :)
[08:31] <zerozero> i usually load cf eclipse
[08:31] <zorglu_> zerozero: what do you run ?
[08:31] <zorglu_> zerozero: i mean which version of ubuntu ?
[08:31] <zerozero> i'm on dapper
[08:32] <zorglu_> zerozero: hmm im on dapper too...
[08:32] <zerozero> zorglu_:  let me get the exact version
[08:32] <Qaldune> whatever scion
[08:32] <Qaldune> thx very much dude
[08:32] <zorglu_> zerozero: you didnt enable any edgy repository ?
[08:32] <Qaldune> i hope it works
[08:32] <zerozero> zorglu_: no
[08:32] <scion> fingers crossed
[08:32] <scion> you know how to restart x?
[08:33] <scion> he surely does!
[08:33] <zorglu_> zerozero: what is the result of lsb_release -r ; uname -r
[08:33] <zerozero> zorglu_: Linux version 2.6.15-27-386
[08:34] <zerozero> zorglu_: Release:        6.06
[08:34] <Reuben> does anyone use broadcom wireless cards?
[08:34] <zorglu_> zerozero: ok what i dont get, is that you seems to have a config similar to mine
[08:34] <fdoving> Reuben: yes, i do.
[08:34] <miguel> hey scion
[08:34] <Qaldune> scion: it worked
[08:34] <Qaldune> the only prob is now i can't start kde
[08:34] <scion> cool as a mofo
[08:34] <Qaldune> i can only use gnome
[08:35] <zorglu_> zerozero: 3.1.2-1ubuntu6 <- it is my eclipse version. what is yours
[08:35] <scion> ?
[08:35] <Reuben> fdoving: are you using the 6.10 beta?
[08:35] <Qaldune> dunno man
[08:35] <fdoving> Reuben: yes.
[08:35] <Reuben> fdoving: did you need anything to get it to work other than the firmware?
[08:35] <zerozero> zorglu_:  3.1.2
[08:35] <Qaldune> i've got a fucking error related with something like FreeFontPath
[08:35] <fdoving> Reuben: no.
[08:35] <fdoving> Reuben: do you have problems?
[08:36] <zerozero> zorglu_: it seems to be going ok since I reinstalled
[08:36] <zorglu_> zerozero: "java -version" replies what ?
[08:36] <Reuben> fdoving: I have no ethernet for my router is a pile of shit, so not sure how to get the firmware.
[08:36] <scion> ahh, cannot help you on that one i'm afraid
[08:36] <Qaldune> lol ok
[08:36] <Qaldune> thx anyway
[08:36] <zerozero> zorglu_: 1.4.2
[08:36] <tanubis> trying to get palm trio to sync in on a laptop running kubuntu, using kpilot
[08:37] <zorglu_> zerozero: can you cut/past the whole
[08:37] <zorglu_> zerozero: is that a sun vm ?
[08:37] <Reuben> fdoving: would it work if you emailed me your firmware?
[08:37] <fdoving> Reuben: i can do that.
[08:37] <Reuben> fdoving: why not?
[08:37] <zerozero> zorglu_:
[08:37] <zerozero> java version "1.4.2"
[08:37] <zerozero> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[08:37] <fdoving> Reuben: i can.
[08:37] <tanubis> unfortunately, they can't see each other...  it seems the usb hub assigns a different usb every time to the pilot, and they don't find each other
[08:37] <zorglu_> zerozero: ohhh ok :)
[08:37] <tanubis> anyone know how to do this?
[08:37] <Reuben> fdoving: The red line of xchat is too fat and makes things hard to read sorry, i'll /msg you my email
[08:37] <zorglu_> zerozero: we got the difference :) i run sun vm and got many issue with the gij version
[08:38] <zerozero> zorglu_:  i'll install the sun vm
[08:38] <zorglu_> !java
[08:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[08:38] <zerozero> zorglu_: thanks very much
[08:39] <zorglu_> zerozero: no problem
[08:39] <abattoir> !leet
[08:39] <ubotu> 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[08:39] <abattoir> lol
[08:40] <tanubis> anyone know a good program for managing a usb hub?
[08:41] <Reuben> KHubMgr?
[08:41] <sorush20> how do I automatically selected the right module for my kernel using bash?
[08:42] <sorush20> I think there used to be an uname function somewhere?
[08:42] <zorglu_> sorush20: echo /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[08:42] <intelikey> bash is not dependant on a kernel module
[08:44] <sorush20> zorglu_: doseln] t work
[08:44] <zorglu_> sorush20: well it matches my understanding of your hard to understand question :) can you rephrase
[08:46] <intelikey> ask smarter questions, get smarter answers.   (elic perhaps)
[08:47] <zorglu_> i think i lost sorush20
[08:47] <intelikey> herpaps
[08:48] <fdoving> zorglu_: 'modinfo -n module' is nice. :)
[08:49] <zorglu_> i dont even know the command :)
[08:49] <BluesKaj> zorglu_  it must be your friendly helpful attitude
[08:49] <intelikey> modprobe -l  ?
[08:49] <zorglu_> BluesKaj: you think i have been unfriendly ?
[08:49] <zazkia> anybody in here with alsa insight?
[08:50] <intelikey> zazkia yes
[08:50] <BluesKaj> :) , just lightening the atmosphere in here
[08:51] <zazkia> Im trying to get my sondcard realtek ALC 883 configured but it does not want to :P
[08:51] <tanubis> anyone familiar with kpilot?
[08:51] <zazkia> Despite some patches
[08:51] <zorglu_> BluesKaj: hmm ok, if it ever happen, dont hesitate to tell me
[08:51] <Kim^J> Hmm... Having really strange problems with sound now... KDE can't play sounds but Amarok can. Xmms can. Konqueror can. But not KDE. The "Test Sound System" plays the sound. But not Kopete and Kwin.
[08:51] <zorglu_> i like the modinfo, it provide the license
[08:51] <BluesKaj> some ppl ahve a difficult time expressing cuz they don't know what terms to use
[08:52] <zazkia> @kim thats weird, may be some programs work with oss?
[08:52] <BluesKaj> no weorries zorglu_...just funnin'
[08:52] <zorglu_> BluesKaj: i understand that, and i tried to go beyond this to provide an answer
[08:52] <zorglu_> ok :)
[08:52] <zazkia> and others with alsa?
[08:52] <Kim^J> zazkia: Hmm...
[08:52] <gtrplr> I just installed 6.10 kubuntu and I am unable to get my bcom wireless to work. I have installed ndis and tried fwcutter...any help please?
[08:52] <tanubis> @kim it's most likely because each of the different programs is attempting to use a different set of sound architecture
[08:52] <Kim^J> Why the hell did people invent OSS AND ALSA?!
[08:53] <zorglu_> q. is there a way to determine the license of a library ? something similar to the one provided by the modinfo ?
[08:53] <Kim^J> They couldn't just stick with one...
[08:53] <zazkia> thats what im wondering
[08:53] <zazkia> why do we ned sound anyways
[08:53] <Dr_willis> Kim^J,  go research the history.
[08:53] <Kim^J> Stupid friggin ppl...
[08:53] <zorglu_> !language
[08:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:53] <Dr_willis> OSS was first, then ALSA came out to replace it.
[08:53] <gtrplr> why do we need sound??
[08:53] <Kim^J> Dr_willis: I'm just wondering why ppl still use OSS...
[08:53] <gtrplr> lol
[08:53] <gtrplr> music
[08:53] <Kim^J> And no one did replace their crappy OSS...
[08:53] <zazkia> well
[08:53] <Kim^J> Well...
[08:53] <zazkia> apart from that of course
[08:53] <Kim^J> Hmm...
[08:54] <zazkia> OSS used to work on my 486
[08:54] <Dr_willis> and having to rewrite some badly written apps.. and having to create new drivers for obscoure sound cards...
[08:54] <Dr_willis> I have no sound problems - but i do have a decent sound card.
 Why the hell did people invent OSS AND ALSA?! <--- that's right we should all be using M$ DOS 3.1  there is no need for other software..........    errr maybe not. :)
[08:54] <zazkia> why don't fabrics write proper drivers, is may be a better question
[08:54] <gtrplr> so, any help on the wireless front ?
[08:54] <Kim^J> I have an intergrated Intel chip...
[08:54] <TehUni> i just upgraded to edgy. everything seems to have gone smoothly except my secondary (ati) video card doesn't work anymore. where should i start looking for errors?
[08:55] <zazkia> im sorry im out on wifi
[08:56] <Kim^J> intelikey: I asked why did do two. They couldn't just stick with one. That's the hugest problem with Linux. There are no standards. The world need some standards to work. I would be truly happy if there where only ALSA or OSS. Not both.
[08:56] <zazkia> hmm well oss is really very crappy
[08:56] <zorglu_> !offtopic
[08:56] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:56] <Kim^J> Then all should dump OSS and move to ALSA.
[08:57] <Kim^J> zorglu_: Your point is?
[08:57] <intelikey> Kim^J what you call "the hugest problem with Linux"  is the single greatest thing about it.   linux is all about choices/alternatives/freedom
[08:57] <zazkia> yes i don't understand why that oss is not abndoned
[08:57] <zorglu_> Kim^J: you are offtopic, please move this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:57] <zazkia> btw is there anyone with ALC 883 xperience
[08:57] <Kim^J> intelikey: That's true... But you must agree on some things orelse Linux will never be anything than a nerdOS...
[08:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:58] <Kim^J> Dr_willis: =)
[08:58] <zorglu_> Kim^J: please move that to offtopic
[08:58] <Kim^J> zorglu_: I'm still having my trouble to solve..
[08:58] <intelikey> Kim^J i've been called worse :)
[08:58] <Dr_willis> Everyone has pretty much agrred on alsa.. oss is dieing off.   You will always have the 'grandfather' effect on any long term systems/tools/designs/os's
[08:58] <zazkia> the only thing to do is to look what you is running and adjust every not working program to that
[08:58] <nking> hello, i am a noobie for irc.. so bear with me ;) but i hear that i can download music or all file at irc?
[08:59] <Kim^J> zazkia: How do I make the whole KDE suit use ALSA then? :S
[08:59] <Kim^J> nking: No you can't. People can DCC send things to you.
[09:00] <zazkia> Hmm well it dpends per program
[09:00] <zazkia> which kde you ve got?
[09:00] <zorglu_> !irc  | nking
[09:00] <ubotu> nking: irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[09:00] <intelikey> Kim^J init  and or SysVinit was the standard in system configuration, it works and works well so should they discontinue  the "upstart" project that replaced sysvinit on the 6.10 *buntu ?
[09:00] <Kim^J> Forgot Kopete.
[09:01] <Kim^J> intelikey: I was more onto sound this time.
[09:01] <Kim^J> zazkia: 3.5.5
[09:01] <Kim^J> Edgy Eft.
[09:01] <nking> hmm, well thank you ;)
[09:01] <intelikey> but if it applies in one area surely it applies in others also
[09:02] <zazkia> and the info center sound settings is on ALSA rather than Autodetect?
[09:02] <Dr_willis> down with AC current! lets all switch to DC!
[09:02] <Kim^J> intelikey: Well shure... But some things you can make the user choose. But some things must be standard. Like graphics and sound.
[09:02] <zorglu_> the voltage is quite wrong too!!
[09:02] <intelikey> so then my point was and is that, your basic permise is flawed.  not saying that with malice, just an observation.
[09:02] <Kim^J> 230V @ 50Hz max 10A
[09:03] <zorglu_> ok lets all enter in steril discussion :)
[09:03] <zorglu_> one could discuss about esperanto being used all over the world
[09:03] <intelikey> Kim^J "graphics and sound"  glx ?
[09:03] <intelikey> again flawed.
[09:03] <zazkia> well i'm off I found some patch worth trying
[09:04] <zorglu_> ok am off too :)
[09:04] <Kim^J> Baahhh
[09:04] <doti> hello
[09:04] <intelikey> Kim^J your approach yelds no new software.  it tends only to a stagnet but stable has-been of an os.
[09:04] <Kim^J> I just wanna have sound working tonight... Is there a way to force ALL programs to use dmix or some other software mixer?
[09:05] <doti> i have a problem with edgy eft rc. When it is copying files the installer crash
[09:05] <Kim^J> intelikey: You just can't do more new sound. Keep one and upgrade it. I don't really see the point to switch all the friggin time. It causes more problems than it solves.
[09:06] <intelikey> doti ooh.  is it repetable ?
[09:06] <intelikey> Kim^J again apply that accross the board.  see if it's sound reasoning or not.
[09:06] <doti> yes, but sometimes i don't get a error, only a bloqued computer...wow, sorry for my english
[09:07] <Kim^J> WTF!
[09:07] <Kim^J> I killed knotify and now sound works for the system... Hmm
[09:07] <Kim^J> Ohh!
[09:07] <unix_infidel> Kim^J: because it was using up the sound device.
[09:07] <unix_infidel> disable artsd and use alsa-oss
[09:07] <Brydenn33> anyone here ever fix a laptop that had a dim screen?
[09:08] <unix_infidel> Brydenn33: yea, run up the screen backlight power.
[09:08] <unix_infidel> turn*
[09:08] <Brydenn33> how do ya do that?
[09:08] <unix_infidel> should be an already inbuilt feature.
[09:08] <doti> the system crash on, aproximately, 25% to 35% without a reconizable error
[09:08] <intelikey> doti channel #ubuntu+1  someone in there might have some advice.  but either way a bug report is in order.
[09:08] <Brydenn33> hmm well unix_infidel what if hte backlight is old and going out?
[09:08] <doti> intelikey: okis, thanks
[09:09] <unix_infidel> Brydenn33: replace it.
[09:09] <unix_infidel> too expensive? replace the laptop.
[09:09] <Brydenn33> unix_infidel: that's pretty cheap right? like 60 bucks
[09:09] <unix_infidel> Brydenn33: no idea.  i dont buy laptops that have major documented defects.
[09:09] <|lostbyte|> Hai, guys :)
[09:09] <dhq> hi
[09:10] <dhq> :)
[09:10] <intelikey> Kim^J for the record. i am a great fan of stale and stagnant but stable OS's  :)
[09:10] <Kim^J> :)
[09:10] <unix_infidel> and those that regularly release security patches for those older packages:)
[09:10] <intelikey> Kim^J it's just that i understand that developement requires NEW not just fixing the old.
[09:12] <Kim^J> intelikey: Well it does... But the new things must be backwards compatible somehow... You just can't do something new and expect the world to use it one day... well.. I'm just mad at the people that haven't gone over to ALSA yet...
[09:12] <intelikey> Kim^J "But the new things must be backwards compatible somehow" <--- no actually that's M$ doctrine, and *nix doesn't subscribe to it.
[09:13] <Dr_willis> ;)
[09:13] <intelikey> yep
[09:14] <JosefK> the ALSA OSS emulation is rather good, though?
[09:14] <JosefK> ie. aoss *program name*
[09:15] <|lostbyte|> Jonty, So, it will only emulate oss to alsa.
[09:17] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: what do you still run in dos 3.1
[09:17] <|lostbyte|> :-o
[09:18] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu come with a built in firewall ?>
[09:18] <rawrness> no kubuntu edgy channel?
[09:18] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon actually there is one program.  even though there are later versions of it i still use "qv2"
[09:18] <BonBonTheJon> Ahmuck: kubuntu by default doesn't leave any ports open, but there are firewalls available
[09:19] <BonBonTheJon> rawrness: #ubuntu+1
[09:19] <BonBonTheJon> !firewall
[09:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:19] <rawrness> BonBonTheJon:  Ahhh we just share it with them
[09:19] <BonBonTheJon> rawrness: thats the only one I know of
[09:20] <rawrness> BonBonTheJon:  was slighty confuzed cause we have our  own dapper channel
[09:20] <intelikey> rawrness we ~ them    lol
[09:20] <rawrness> lol
[09:21] <zorglu_> q. anybody with frequent 'out of memory killer' recently ?
[09:21] <zorglu_> my boxes started to do 'out of memory' like 2 days ago, without any config change
[09:21] <osh_> zorglu_: Not since I stopped using lustre.
[09:22] <zorglu_> everytime the boxes were not doing anything but running azureus
[09:22] <intelikey> OOMK means either a bad memory leak   or a runaway process   watch top to see which
[09:22] <BluesKaj> what's the memory monitor command ?
[09:22] <zorglu_> and all the apps which use java+gtk got a memory leak
[09:22] <|lostbyte|> yeah..
[09:23] <intelikey> kmem ?
[09:23] <zorglu_> but it is only recently that my boxes started to oom
[09:23] <TehUni> i just upgraded from dapper to edgy. Everything seems to have gone smoothly except that my secondary video card (ati) no longer displays anything. where should start?
[09:23] <zorglu_> the problem is i cant diagnose because the box is swapping like crazy
[09:24] <BluesKaj> intelikey: kmem din't work
[09:24] <zorglu_> in console i saw the kernel starting to kill basic kde apps, like artsd/klauncher
[09:24] <intelikey> zorglu_ yes  you need to have xtop or top running when it starts....
[09:24] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah that's not it. let me look.
[09:25] <BluesKaj> ok
[09:25] <zorglu_> intelikey: i tried :) but once i got passed login, the box doesnt load the shell
[09:26] <intelikey> zorglu_ that sounds like a runaway.   try a root console
[09:26] <zorglu_> intelikey: 'root console' = text one ?
[09:26] <zorglu_> intelikey: if so it is what i did
[09:26] <larson9999> just saw the pc/mac commercial where they show the 'home movie'.  hillarious
[09:27] <reuben> fdoving: it works great
[09:28] <fdoving> reuben: great :)
[09:28] <reuben> anyone know how to modify cpu scaling in edgy?
[09:28] <reuben> i'm stuck at 800mhz :|
[09:28] <intelikey> BluesKaj ksysguard
[09:28] <fdoving> reuben: what cpu?
[09:29] <BluesKaj> thx, intelikey
[09:29] <intelikey> zorglu_ console = without x   while   terminal = inside of x
[09:29] <David_Edmundson> larson9999: link?
[09:29] <reuben> fdoving: turion 64
[09:29] <reuben> fdoving: amd turion 64
[09:29] <fdoving> reuben: hmm.. doesn't powernowd work?
[09:30] <zorglu_> hmm i got 2 apache2 which 230mbyte of virtual memory... no serving any web server
[09:30] <fdoving> I have to go, girlfriend needs some attention.
[09:30] <larson9999> David_Edmundson, nope.  it was on tv.  the mac 'home moving' is this hot chic.  the pc is embarrassed but brings his out.  it's a guy in drag where the same clothes as the mac's
[09:30] <scion> whats up with KDE when you rename a file and the window crashes
[09:31] <scion> happens alot on usb drives also
[09:31] <larson9999> s/moving/movie/
[09:31] <zorglu_> ok i got it!
[09:31] <zorglu_> 1440m of virtual memory of Xorg
[09:31] <zorglu_> 341m of resident
[09:32] <intelikey> that's high
[09:32] <intelikey> bad high
[09:32] <zorglu_> quite :)
[09:32] <zorglu_> btw i got a process in 'top' which is called Xorg... how come
[09:33] <afm\colossus> colo@spareparts:~$ pgrep Xorg
[09:33] <afm\colossus> 4986
[09:33] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to set up the driver for my Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card. I've set up the ieee80211 subsystem and am trying to make the driver, but make gives me the error "No rule to make target `modules.'" Any help? Full paste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27867/
[09:33] <afm\colossus> seems normal ;)
[09:34] <zorglu_> afm\colossus: how come that 'ps auxwww| grep Xorg' doesnt show it
[09:34] <zorglu_> afm\colossus: psgrep show it too here
[09:35] <zorglu_> oh ok
[09:35] <fenotype> hi... can anyone just tell me how to display my home's link on my kubuntu desktop?
[09:35] <intelikey> no psgrep here
[09:35] <zorglu_> on a normal box, i get 155mbyte of virtual memory and 80mbyte of ram
[09:35] <afm\colossus> zorglu_: use the "c" paramater to ps and check the manpage for what it does
[09:35] <afm\colossus> and be enlightened ;)
[09:36] <afm\colossus> intelikey: pgrep, not psgrep
[09:36] <intelikey> fenotype make a link to location ~
[09:36] <intelikey> pgrep shows nothing
[09:37] <fenotype> intelikey, isn't there a way to do it by some configuration menu?
[09:37] <zorglu_> -c              Show different scheduler information for the -l option. <- afm\colossus truely elightning :)
[09:38] <intelikey> fenotype yeah in kcontrol
[09:38] <intelikey> easiest is right click and make the link
[09:39] <fenotype> many thanks
[09:40] <intelikey> afm\colossus oh hehhe i was pgreping xorg  no such process here but pgrep X   shows it  :)
[09:40] <intelikey> i'd never messed with the pgrep script.  i use my own  "pid" script.
[09:41] <intelikey> or maybe it's compiled.   anyway.
[09:49] <intelikey> grep -Re "$*" /var/lib/dpkg/info/ \
[09:49] <intelikey> | grep -m1 -e [A-z]  \
[09:49] <intelikey> | cut -d'/' -f6 \
[09:49] <intelikey> | cut -d'.' -f1
[09:50] <unix_infidel> ?
[09:50] <intelikey> handy little script
[09:50] <intelikey> show what package brovided the file   "$*"
[09:50] <intelikey> package that provided  ^
[09:52] <intelikey> i called it "package"  (how origenal)       package /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:52] <intelikey> apt
[09:54] <intelikey> package `which pgrep`
[09:54] <intelikey> procps
[10:04] <rawrness> how many people dual boot with windows?
[10:05] <intelikey> i have duel'd with windows a few times
[10:05] <yokobr> hey guys....ive got a canon A400....how can i extract its photos to pc on kubuntu?
[10:05] <intelikey> pun intenede
[10:05] <intelikey> rawrness got a Q; or is that just a poll ?
[10:06] <Ahmuck> adept won't open for me ?  says something about it being in use
[10:06] <yokobr> pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:06] <yokobr> i need to extract canon A400 photos
[10:06] <yokobr> on kunbuntu
[10:06] <intelikey> yokobr theres an app
[10:06] <yokobr> it mounts the device but i cant read the only file in
[10:06] <samuel_> how do you make it so you dont auto login to X server?
[10:06] <yokobr> where i can download it?
[10:06] <rawrness> intelikey:  just a poll
[10:07] <Ahmuck> how do i reset apt-get ?
[10:08] <intelikey> yokobr there is an app already installed   i forget the name   kpasuk or something along that line
[10:08] <Dr_willis> Ahmuck,  close all other apt related programs first.
[10:08] <Ahmuck> they are
[10:08] <intelikey> Ahmuck reset ?    killall apt-get
[10:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it possible to install kubuntu without having a CD / DVD rom drive?
[10:08] <intelikey> !install
[10:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[10:09] <Dr_willis> if the apt lock file got stuck - due to apt crashing.. Hmm...i forget how to remove that.
[10:09] <Dr_willis> ive never had it happen. :)
[10:09] <intelikey> dpkg --configure -a
[10:09] <Dr_willis> Tallia1Kubuntu,  if you have another machine - in theory you could do a net-boot-install  but that would be a pain.
[10:09] <Dr_willis> but doable
[10:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Dr_willis: what kind of pain?
[10:10] <Ahmuck> yep, that did it, apt-get crashed during a package install
[10:10] <intelikey> !install > Tallia1Kubuntu
[10:10] <Dr_willis> Tallia1Kubuntu,  setting up some sort of tftp server i guess and other twiddling... not a job for the total-noob
[10:10] <David_Edmundson> Tallia1Kubuntu: easiest way..take the HD out, install it, put the HD back in
[10:10] <David_Edmundson> *take it out and stick it in another computer
[10:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh really?
[10:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and what about the drivers and those sort of things?
[10:11] <intelikey> i'd say it's easier to stick a cd drive in that boxen David_Edmundson
[10:11] <David_Edmundson> all drivers are in the kernel. it's not Windows
[10:11] <slow-motion> n8
[10:11] <David_Edmundson> intelikey: not always, I have a laptop with no CD drive
[10:11] <intelikey> David_Edmundson me too
[10:11] <David_Edmundson> ooh, I thought I was being unique
[10:12] <intelikey> but no box to put it's mini-hdd in.
[10:12] <David_Edmundson> ah
[10:12] <yokobr> there are canon softwares just for windows and mac ....
[10:14] <yokobr> i need to extract canon A400 photos
[10:14] <yokobr> there are canon softwares just for windows and mac ....
[10:14] <intelikey> yokobr set the camera to "disk" mode then plug it into the computer it should mount as sda (unless sda is something else already)   and the pictures should be readily avalable in any file managere
[10:14] <birdfish> Hey guys, how do I go about getting my wireless card set up?
[10:14] <David_Edmundson> birdfish: more details help :-D what network card?
[10:14] <yokobr> well...
[10:14] <intelikey> !wifi > birdfish
[10:14] <NDPowerBook> birdfish: Try installing KNetworkManager via Adept
[10:14] <birdfish> I've opened up the wireless assistant, and it shows all of the different channels that I can connect to
[10:15] <birdfish> But it always says it fails to connect
[10:15] <yokobr> ive done that, and its mounted.....but cano saves on a file, that i cannot open
[10:15] <yokobr> its not a folder, its a file...
[10:15] <mbvo> I've got a 486 that won't boot from cd(it's not possable) is there a way i can make a boot floppy from another kubuntu computer and then mount the cdrom and install?
[10:15] <Dr_willis> ick.
[10:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:16] <David_Edmundson> debian has floppy installers still :-D
[10:16] <Dr_willis> for a 486 you may want to look into using PuppyLinux or DSL
[10:16] <birdfish> NDPowerBook: what does KNetworkManager do?
[10:16] <David_Edmundson> depends what it's for
[10:16] <Dr_willis> My guess - little more then a serial terminal. :)
[10:17] <Dr_willis> Heh - wonder if it can net boot.
[10:17] <David_Edmundson> Dr_willis: you'd be surprsied how well server side stuff works on a 486
[10:17] <mbvo> I just want it on there to mess around with
[10:17] <Dr_willis> i installed ubuntu on a Pent1 100 machine... and the install took forever..
[10:17] <Dr_willis> gnome ran...  but i ended up using wmx, and just a xterm on it. :)
[10:18] <David_Edmundson> my server used to be a P1@166, it just ran apache and samba, did so perfectly
[10:18] <NDPowerBook> birdfish: It'll help you setup your wifi card
[10:18] <K-Rawrness> 4 more days!
[10:19] <Dr_willis> 4 days?
[10:19] <David_Edmundson> if all goes well
[10:19] <birdfish> Ah, nevermind guys.  It seems to be working now.  I'm not sure why it wouldn't connect before
[10:19] <Dr_willis> the microwave oven was on.. :)
[10:20] <lenon> Hi
[10:20] <lenon> xD
[10:20] <Kubuntu> xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[10:21] <Kubuntu> shake shake shake \o/
[10:21] <intelikey> Dr_willis i have done several installs of ubuntu on p1mmx 100mhz boxen   gnome is slower haever than kde on that box  but both will run.
[10:22] <David_Edmundson> just don't run seti@home
[10:22] <birdfish> intelikey: I thought kde was more intensive
[10:23] <intelikey> birdfish it can be. but it can also be lighter  depends on how you set it up
[10:23] <David_Edmundson> it's more memory intensive I think. certainly slower to load initially.
[10:23] <yokobr> please
[10:23] <birdfish> intelikey: ah =)
[10:23] <yokobr> i cant extract canon a400 photos =(
[10:23] <birdfish> I'll have to look into how to set it up lightly
[10:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> David_Edmundson: still here?
[10:24] <David_Edmundson> I can be?
[10:24] <intelikey> birdfish start with turning off most of the "eye candy" mouse over affects and zooming icons  things like that
[10:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> David_Edmundson: what about sticking the HD out.. won't i have Driver recognition problems??
[10:25] <David_Edmundson> nope
[10:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i mean, when i will put it back in the original machine
[10:25] <David_Edmundson> it should work perfectly
[10:25] <David_Edmundson> yeah
[10:25] <David_Edmundson> I've done it on two of my machines
[10:25] <birdfish> I just wish that the ati drivers for linux were better than they are
[10:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ooook
[10:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> birdfish: don't tell me
[10:26] <birdfish> TallialKubuntu: tell you what?
[10:26] <intelikey> birdfish tell ati
[10:26] <birdfish> Yeah :/
[10:26] <JorixB> my keyboard is acting very weird when i press a combination like shift insert or home or some key from that block it starts launcing ksnapshot windows one after the other. now i found out that pressing the same combination again stops the launching of these windows ( the ones that were already called still have to launch though). but now shift seems permanently pressed even though i dont press it. (i now have caps lock on to type normall
[10:26] <JorixB> binations and while it is in shift _> ins mode it keeps showing Expose event. i can turn off the launching of ksnapshot by turning off (both) the entries of khotkeys but my system still slows down. where does this strange mode come from and how can i get rid of it?
[10:27] <David_Edmundson> there was some dude with that earlier
[10:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !alternate
[10:27] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[10:27] <JorixB> that was i too
[10:27] <plugs> Can anyone help me get my nvidia pci card working? When i boot and it's plugged in even if my monitor's connected to my integrated, kubuntu won't boot.
[10:27] <JorixB> but i found out a bit more
[10:27] <intelikey> i gripped at nvidia some.....   i think they kinda get the message if enough people are complaining
[10:27] <Dr_willis> Boy Scouts get MPAA-approved copyright merit badge
[10:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> birdfish: about ATI
[10:28] <Dr_willis> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061020-8044.html
[10:28] <intelikey> plugs wait!   linux wont boot if the card is in the machine ?
[10:29] <plugs> intelikey yeah
[10:29] <intelikey> does linux not boot or is it not displaying anything?   there is about a multiverse of differance there!
[10:29] <JorixB> does anyone know how the keyboard system works?
[10:30] <plugs> intelikey you're right okay
[10:31] <intelikey> plugs  try adding   vga=0x0f05    to the kernel line
[10:31] <plugs> if the card's attached, after Grub does its thing, i get the screen that says kubuntu with the bar, but it stays there
[10:32] <plugs> where might this kernel line be?
[10:32] <intelikey> it sounds to me like it's booting  but,  xorg is setup to use the other vidio device.
[10:32] <intelikey> in grub
[10:32] <tuna> I need someon'es help...
[10:32] <intelikey> plugs when grub first posts press [esc]   sellect the line to edit and hit E
[10:33] <tuna> Adept won't work on my comp!
[10:33] <plugs> then i'll just tack vga=0x0f05 to the end of it?
[10:33] <tuna> When I open it, I get a message that says that any changes  I make won't happen or something like that...
[10:33] <tuna> Can someone help me?
[10:34] <fdoving> !adept crash fix
[10:34] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:34] <intelikey> plugs yes  that should prevent kernel frame buffering from taking over the vidio   thus allowing you to use the console   and diagnose what is happening
[10:35] <intelikey> tuna   sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:35] <tuna> ok
[10:36] <tuna> Interesting...
[10:37] <tuna> Let's see if this worked...
[10:38] <tuna> EXCELLENT!
[10:38] <tuna> It worked!
[10:38] <tuna> thanks, i'll come back here whenever I need help.
[10:38] <tuna> cya!
[10:38] <intelikey> that's what we're afaid of.....
[10:38] <intelikey> :)
[10:38] <plugs> holla
[10:38] <intelikey> you're welcome
[10:40] <intelikey> plugs whats it doing ?
[10:40] <plugs> i dont know, this is the computer with the problem.
[10:40] <plugs> i'm gonna try it in a minute
[10:40] <maverick> hey all
[10:40] <maverick> i hae a question
[10:40] <intelikey> oh ok.  well i gota run. so someone else will have to pick you up if you need more help.
[10:41] <maverick> What does it mean that the following packages are broken
[10:41] <plugs> okay, thanks for the tip
[10:41] <maverick> though they are working fine
[10:41] <maverick> ??
[10:41] <raintheory> anyone up for helping me troubleshoot a problem with amarok?
[10:41] <intelikey> maverick means that they are not installed to dpkg's satisfaction.
[10:42] <maverick> and should i worry?
[10:42] <maverick> btw, i installed them manually, not through apt-get or aptitude
[10:42] <intelikey> maverick you should probably do an   sudo apt-get install -f        and see if they will sort them selves out.
[10:42] <intelikey> and if not then worry.
[10:43] <raintheory> anybody?
[10:44] <intelikey> raintheory sorry i gotta go,  but be patient maybe fdoving  or someone will be back in a minute.
[10:47] <David_Edmundson> raintheory: go for it
[10:47] <David_Edmundson> then I'm off to bed
[10:47] <todor> hi.. anyone can tell me how i can install gcc in my kubuntu?
[10:47] <raintheory> David_Edmundson,   1 sec,
[10:48] <David_Edmundson> todor: type sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:48] <raintheory> David_Edmundson,   amarok keeps locking up on me whilst importing my music collection.   right now im watching the terminal to see if i can tell what its choking on
[10:48] <todor> David_Edmundson: sry byt i`ve got problem
[10:49] <todor> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:49] <todor> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:49] <David_Edmundson> ahve you got adept open?
[10:49] <maverick> quit any installer opened
[10:49] <David_Edmundson> or let it finish
[10:49] <David_Edmundson> raintheory: ok, good plan, you'll probably find there's a "bad" mp3 or something
[10:49] <maverick>  Todor: are u installing something or having adept opened?
[10:49] <todor> nope
[10:49] <todor> nope
[10:49] <maverick> did u sudo
[10:50] <todor> yes
[10:50] <todor> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[10:50] <todor> whot is this problem?
[10:50] <todor> is this a.. apt-config?
[10:50] <maverick> i guess u don't have the repository
[10:50] <samuel_> I change XP to default for my stupid wife and children and it still boots kubuntu by default how do i fix this
[10:50] <raintheory> David_Edmundson,   yeah i have a fairly large collection, so Im hoping I'll be able to narrow it down this way, rather than importuing one labum at a time or something
[10:50] <maverick> are u having universe, multivers enabled in your adept sources.list file
[10:51] <David_Edmundson> raintheory: if you do find it's a bad mp3 don't delete it. move it out the colleciton, and submit it to the amarok guys later
[10:51] <todor> maverick: no.. ;(
[10:51] <raintheory> David_Edmundson,   good call
[10:51] <maverick> well, type in your command line: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:52] <todor> ok... one moment...
[10:52] <David_Edmundson> samuel_: you'll get some help if you dont' call your wife stupid.
[10:52] <samuel_> lol
[10:52] <samuel_> My wife is intelligent she just doesnt like linux
[10:52] <alexis_> hola
[10:52] <livingdaylight> Kubuntu Rocks!
[10:52] <David_Edmundson> ok good-o
[10:52] <alexis_> algun espaol
[10:53] <David_Edmundson> I'm happy with that now.
[10:53] <livingdaylight> i mean: Kubuntu is Rock-King!
[10:53] <magicmike> What wife does?
[10:53] <alexis_> hello from everybody
[10:53] <David_Edmundson> sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:53] <livingdaylight> hola alexis
[10:53] <David_Edmundson> le'ts see what's going on
[10:53] <alexis_> hola
[10:53] <alexis_> jeje
[10:53] <livingdaylight> !es
[10:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:53] <DarthShrine> "Conversation with su failed." <--- Means what?
[10:53] <alexis_> ok
[10:53] <alexis_> thank you
[10:53] <livingdaylight> que passa contigo alexis_
[10:54] <livingdaylight> Kubuntu Rocks!
[10:54] <maverick> todor: ...???
[10:54] <David_Edmundson> there should be a line near the top marked "Default X" where X is a number
[10:54] <alexis_> no pasa nada
[10:54] <livingdaylight> Kubuntu is Rock-King
[10:54] <samuel_> OS
[10:54] <samuel_> # on /dev/hda1
[10:54] <samuel_> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[10:54] <samuel_> root		(hd0,0)
[10:54] <samuel_> savedefault
[10:54] <samuel_> makeactive
[10:54] <samuel_> chainloader	+1
[10:54] <livingdaylight> alexis_: que quieres?
[10:54] <todor> maverick: so... now i have new problem... :)
[10:55] <livingdaylight> alexis_: que quieres usted?
[10:55] <todor> Reading package lists... Done
[10:55] <todor> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:55] <todor> Package build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:55] <todor> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:55] <todor> is only available from another source
[10:55] <todor> E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate
[10:55] <David_Edmundson> XP boots right, it just isn't being the default?
[10:55] <samuel_> yes
[10:55] <samuel_> it auto loads kubuntu
[10:55] <samuel_> i use kubuntu but my wife uses xp pro
[10:55] <alexis_> nothing
[10:55] <vge> how do i do a network install for xubuntu?
[10:55] <David_Edmundson> do you get the menu where you can choose?
[10:55] <samuel_> yes
[10:56] <maverick> Todor: tell you wht!! sudo aptitude install gcc
[10:56] <maverick> should do the work
[10:56] <David_Edmundson> at the top of that file there should be a line marked Default
[10:56] <samuel_> ok
[10:56] <David_Edmundson> this number represents which one on the list should be selected at boot.
[10:57] <David_Edmundson> 0 = the one on the top
[10:57] <David_Edmundson> 1= the second one down
[10:57] <David_Edmundson> etc.
[10:57] <livingdaylight> is Edgy ready?
[10:57] <livingdaylight> is it official yet?
[10:57] <David_Edmundson> count through the list at the bottom, and type in the right number.
[10:57] <David_Edmundson> then save and reboot and eb happy :-D
[10:57] <samuel_> ta
[10:57] <David_Edmundson> livingdaylight: it's not official
[10:57] <livingdaylight> Is Edgy EFT officially released?
[10:58] <David_Edmundson> though it works nicely
[10:58] <samuel_> when is edgy released?
[10:58] <coreymon77> it will be released as a stable on the 26th
[10:58] <coreymon77> 4 days
[10:58] <livingdaylight> huh, so what did it say on the website? http://www.ubuntu.com/news/EdgyReleaseCandidate
[10:58] <coreymon77> and the next one will be called feisty fawn i think
[10:58] <coreymon77> exactly
[10:58] <coreymon77> release candidate
[10:58] <livingdaylight> i must say: the names are comletely stupid
[10:58] <coreymon77> thats still a beta
[10:59] <lupine_85> teh names are cool :)
[10:59] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: call hem 7.04 then :)
[10:59] <maverick> Livingdaylight: i guess they should rename the upcoming one "Knight in armor shine"
[10:59] <maverick> lol
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Man anyone hae a sneak peak on the commit-digest?
[10:59] <Brydenn33> anyone got some time to help me get ntfs-3g working right?
[10:59] <livingdaylight> hahaha
[10:59] <Brydenn33> i keep getting an error
[10:59] <samuel_> default=4
[10:59] <Dr_willis> using edgy right now. :)
[10:59] <samuel_> ok...
[10:59] <samuel_> one more question
[10:59] <David_Edmundson> go for it
[10:59] <samuel_> what is the best way to change user rights? etc
[11:00] <Dr_willis> I used those fuse toole to write to ntfs.. as a test
[11:00] <samuel_> i have to user accounts
[11:00] <maverick> brydenn33: yep
[11:00] <maverick> shoot wht u have
[11:00] <Brydenn33> thanks maverick
[11:00] <samuel_> i want one for admin/root and one restricted account for anyone else
[11:00] <Brydenn33> ok well i followed the instructions i was giving yesterday
[11:00] <samuel_> two*
[11:00] <David_Edmundson> that's default behaviour
[11:00] <Brydenn33> !ntfs-3g
[11:00] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[11:00] <Brydenn33> those ones
[11:00] <DarthShrine> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 23 20:35:29 2006 <--- Wha!? (From running sudo anything)
[11:00] <maverick> okay i know 'em
[11:00] <maverick> brb brydenn33
[11:01] <David_Edmundson> the problem you'll probably find is the other user has too little rights
[11:01] <David_Edmundson> like not being in the audio group
[11:01] <stefaans> anyone here have trouble with automatix today, installing?
[11:01] <livingdaylight> ok, so how do i upgrade?
[11:01] <samuel_> ok
[11:01] <livingdaylight>  i want to upgrade to the EFT?
[11:01] <livingdaylight> wtf is an EFT anyway?
[11:01] <maverick> okay brydenn33
[11:01] <David_Edmundson> it's like an otter I believe?
[11:01] <Brydenn33> and i still get an error that says: Could not mount device... The reported error was: mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on / ... mount failed.
[11:01] <maverick> wht's ur problem
[11:01] <livingdaylight> I just want the latest release (gawd i hate the names)
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> livingdaylight: its called Edgy Eft
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> !eft
[11:02] <ubotu> eft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt or try !edgy
[11:02] <livingdaylight> how do i upgrade to kubuntu 10.26
[11:02] <Brydenn33> hold on maverick
[11:02] <stefaans> maverick:
[11:02] <stefaans> apt-get install automatix
[11:02] <stefaans> Reading package lists... Done
[11:02] <stefaans> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:02] <stefaans> E: Couldn't find package automatix
[11:02] <Brydenn33> i think i see what i did
[11:02] <David_Edmundson> lol, nice touch
[11:02] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[11:02] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:02] <livingdaylight> what the hell is an EFT?
[11:02] <pj-og> I was trying to use kexi (on LTS) with a remote MySQL database, but it doesn't have the driver. What do I have to do to install that driver?
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> livingdaylight: its 6.10, and you need to change your sources.list
[11:02] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: Read the above info, it'll tell you
[11:02] <David_Edmundson> it's like a newt! follow the wiki link
[11:03] <BonBonTheJon> !language > livingdaylight
[11:03] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  a kind of newt.
[11:03] <Brydenn33> maverick: brb man.
[11:03] <Hawkwind> BonBonTheJon: No need for the language
[11:03] <Hawkwind> BonBonTheJon: No need for sending the language fact I mean :)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> DarthShrine: What's the time now?
[11:03] <David_Edmundson> what's the 7.4 one called now?
[11:03] <livingdaylight> a kind of newt? how is that something to name an os after
[11:03] <David_Edmundson> I know it got announced
[11:03] <BonBonTheJon> David_Edmundson: Feisty Fawn
[11:03] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  does it really matter..
[11:03] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I've got news about Ebuntu
[11:03] <David_Edmundson> but panther/leapord is?
[11:04] <David_Edmundson> *leopard
[11:04] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: yes
[11:04] <BonBonTheJon> livingdaylight: do you want to know how to upgrade, or not?
[11:04] <Dr_willis> Or named after the Characters in a cartoon.
[11:04] <David_Edmundson> he got the link from ubotu.
[11:04] <DarthShrine> DaSkreech: 0704
[11:04] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: if i'm gonna call an os by a name i wanna know what it is
[11:04] <livingdaylight> BonBonTheJon: yes, tell me, but mind your language, bwuahahaa
[11:04] <Dr_willis> livingdaylight,  call it Ubuntu VERSION#
[11:04] <Dr_willis> its name is Ubuntu :)
[11:04] <David_Edmundson> the version looks confusing too
[11:04] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Seems Ebuntu now has a new maintainer, Sp4rKy and he has updated the wiki page a bit today
[11:04] <raintheory> David_Edmundson,   okay the last thing in terminal is "amarok:   [ScanController]  RestartEvent received. "     and this time amarok disappeared instead of locking everything up
[11:04] <BadRabbit320> anyone have "swiftfox" installed?  I've typed the install script, but obviously I've done something right.  Yes, I have the prog itself in the same folder.
[11:04] <livingdaylight> Dr_willis: yes, but it was not released on 6.10 so i will call it 26.10
[11:05] <David_Edmundson> raintheory:  gah, I think I can guess the problem
[11:05] <Dr_willis> call it a taxi.. we dont care. :)
[11:05] <David_Edmundson> you said you had a large collection?
[11:05] <David_Edmundson> how big are we talking?
[11:05] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: 6.10 is 10 month of 2006
[11:05] <raintheory> yep
[11:05] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: It's not June 10th as you're thinking
[11:05] <livingdaylight> oh...
[11:05] <raintheory> hmm, well its on an external 500gig drive if thats any guess
[11:05] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: Nor is it the 6th of October either
[11:06] <DaSkreech> DarthShrine: Whats the time stamp on the sudoers file?
[11:06] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: Numbering scheme is:  First number is the last one or two digits of the year, and the number after the . is the month it's released
[11:06] <K-Rawrness> what can i use make iso images from cds?
[11:06] <David_Edmundson> I think in an attempt to prevent a crash it's sending a "I'm clearly stuck as I haven't finished yet signal"
[11:06] <livingdaylight> is bon bon admin?
[11:06] <David_Edmundson> head off to #amarok
[11:06] <Dr_willis> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=whatever.iso
[11:06] <DaSkreech> !ebuntu
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ebuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <raintheory> David_Edmundson,  looks like 175.4GB
[11:06] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: No he's not
[11:06] <livingdaylight> BonBonTheJon: are you admin
[11:06] <DarthShrine> DaSkreech: 2006-10-23 23:24 and I know why.
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: can ubotu do a Wiki title search?
[11:07] <BonBonTheJon> livingdaylight: no
[11:07] <David_Edmundson> ah, I think that's the problem, I seem to remember a bug existing
[11:07] <K-Rawrness> what apps can i use to make isos from cd?
[11:07] <David_Edmundson> raintheory: go to #amarok and ask
[11:07] <livingdaylight> BonBonTheJon: why are you concerned that my language is not suitable for families?
[11:07] <DaSkreech> K-Rawrness: DD
[11:07] <raintheory> ahh, so it thinks its crashing because its taking so long to compile all of the stuff
[11:07] <BonBonTheJon> livingdaylight: concerned user
[11:07] <DarthShrine> DaSkreech: It's back to normal, thanks.
[11:07] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I don't think it can, might ask Seveas to verify
[11:07] <DaSkreech> DarthShrine: Kool
[11:08] <Hawkwind> Hah, it wasn't a hard poke, silly :P
[11:08] <DaSkreech> K-Rawrness: At the command line type dd if=/dev/hdc of=~/cd.iso
[11:08] <DarthShrine> Everything's a hard poke
[11:08] <DaSkreech> K-Rawrness: Assuming your Cd rom is /dev/hdc
[11:08] <David_Edmundson> raintheory: np, I wasnt' that much help :-$
[11:08] <David_Edmundson> raintheory: pretty much every app has a #name channel
[11:08] <K-Rawrness> oh i just want to make iso image of a cd.....
[11:08] <DaSkreech> K-Rawrness: That will do it
[11:09] <Brydenn33> maverick:  you there?
[11:09] <livingdaylight> BonBonTheJon: are you using the christian edition?
[11:09] <Dr_willis> K-Rawrness,  unless we are totally miss-understanding you.
[11:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:09] <K-Rawrness> i hope not :P
[11:10] <David_Edmundson> is there any good Kubuntu merchandise?
[11:10] <Brydenn33> maverick: ?
[11:10] <Karol84PL> Hello
[11:10] <Brydenn33> hehe hope ya didnt leave :)
[11:11] <DaSkreech> Can k3b rip an ISO?
[11:13] <maverick> lol
[11:13] <maverick> nope i didn't sorry
[11:13] <Brydenn33> hey maverick
[11:13] <maverick> so where did we stop
[11:13] <maverick> hey man
[11:13] <Karol84PL> Firefox often crashes on my kubuntu desktop when i open certain pages? Does anyone know a solution of that problem?   /sorry for my english
[11:13] <Brydenn33> ok take a look at this
[11:13] <Brydenn33> maverick: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27879/
[11:13] <Brydenn33> tell me if you see anything wrong?
[11:13] <maverick> ok hold on
[11:13] <Brydenn33> thanks
[11:14] <Vuen> yay
[11:14] <maverick> brydenn: why don't u try this one it's way easier than urs   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[11:15] <Vuen> i ordered 10 kubuntu cds to leave in the physics society room at my university
[11:15] <maverick> see if u did follow the steps in it.. adn tell me
[11:15] <maverick> am waiting for your reply...
[11:15] <Vuen> this shipit service is a genius idea to introduce people to linux
[11:15] <rcarr> Vuen: Yeah,  it's neat, but I don't know how effective it is
[11:16] <rcarr> Vuen: I gave out 50 ubuntu CDs to a compsci class of 100, but I would be shocked if more than 20 actually installed it
[11:16] <Brydenn33> maverick: so follow that link all the way through and get back to ya?
[11:16] <Brydenn33> or do you jus want me to change this: /dev/<your partition>     /media/<mount point>     ntfs-3g     defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[11:16] <maverick> yep
[11:16] <maverick> change them
[11:16] <Brydenn33> so just change fstab
[11:16] <maverick> indeed this is the most important part
[11:17] <Brydenn33> ya i kinda thought so
[11:17] <maverick> u use ntfs-3g to handle the mounting process
[11:17] <Brydenn33> right
[11:17] <Brydenn33> ok i'll give it a try :)
[11:17] <maverick> okay and am here if anything wrong happens :)\
[11:17] <Brydenn33> lol alright
[11:19] <ubuntu_> hallo leute
[11:19] <zorglu_> !de
[11:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:19] <ubuntu_> ist das ein linux portal??
[11:19] <maverick> jaaa
[11:19] <maverick> eine linux protal
[11:20] <Vuen> rcarr: 20 out of 50 would be a *huge* turnout
[11:20] <ubuntu_> aha
[11:20] <maverick> du habst eine probleme??
[11:20] <Vuen> i'd be happy if one out of the ten cds i order ends up being installed
[11:20] <zorglu_> !de
[11:20] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:20] <ubuntu_> nee noch nicht
[11:20] <zorglu_> maverick: take it to -de
[11:20] <Vuen> but anyway, the whole reason i got into linux was because someone handed me a breezy livecd a year ago. i figured i'd return the favor.
[11:20] <livingdaylight> is Kubuntu forums used?
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Karol84PL: Which pages?
[11:21] <maverick> zorgul: i don't understand wht do you mean...
[11:21] <plugs> how do i find out my pci busid?
[11:21] <DaSkreech> rcarr: That's a 40% penetration rate
[11:21] <maverick> okay
[11:21] <ubuntu_> hab linux noch nicht installiert, sind Multimediawiedergaben mit Linux weniger CPU intensiv??
[11:21] <maverick> take it to the DE room
[11:22] <Clinton__> #ubuntu-de sprechen deutsch
[11:23] <maverick> ubuntu:gehe zu #ubuntu-de
[11:23] <ubuntu_> wie komm ich da hin?
[11:23] <rcarr> !paste
[11:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:24] <Karol84PL> DaSkeech: flash pages
[11:25] <DaSkreech> Karol84PL: Gotta example?
[11:25] <Karol84PL> DaSkreech: but not all flash pages, for example youtube works fine. Wait a moment, please
[11:26] <LogicalDash> I just upgraded to Edgy, and Kubuntu still doesn't recognize my Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 card. What should I do?
[11:26] <DaSkreech> Cry :-(
[11:26] <Brydenn33> ok maverick i'm back :)
[11:26] <Brydenn33> i changed the fstab line to the one in the link you gave me.
[11:27] <Brydenn33> and i still got a problem
[11:27] <Brydenn33> seems i'm not the only one that's had it though
[11:28] <plugs> can i plug in a pci card with my computer on?
[11:28] <Brydenn33> maverick: this is the error i get when i try: sudo mount -a ...
[11:28] <Brydenn33> Volume is scheduled for check.
[11:28] <Brydenn33> Please boot into Windows TWICE, or use the 'force' mount option.
[11:28] <maverick> okaay
[11:29] <maverick> hold on for a sec
[11:29] <Brydenn33> and when i try to open the link on my desktop for windows it just says only root can mount dev/hdb1 on /mnt/windows
[11:29] <Karol84PL> DaScreech: http://www.mamwakacje.pl/ crashed for exaple, but i open that again and it seems to works fine, so i don't know if flash causes that problem
[11:29] <Homer> !feisty
[11:29] <ubotu> feisty is the codename for ubuntu 7.04
[11:29] <Homer> oo
[11:31] <DaSkreech> !fawn
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fawn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <DaSkreech> :-P
[11:31] <jende_> Good evenig folks
[11:31] <rcarr> This is really really odd
[11:31] <DaSkreech> Karol84PL: Doesn't crash here. Do you have one that reliably crashes Firefox?
[11:31] <todor> 10x :)
[11:32] <rcarr> I have a friend, he's at GAtech on their internet, just installed ubuntu
[11:32] <rcarr> and everything works fine, except for resolving domains with ubuntu in the hostname
[11:32] <Ace2016> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-en_GB.html  gives an error in firefox
[11:32] <DaSkreech> rcarr: on the main server?
[11:32] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: You wanting the bot to give you a URL response if you type in a wiki page name or what exactly ?
[11:32] <Karol84PL> DaSkreech: Wait a moment
[11:32] <rcarr> DaSkreech: ?
[11:32] <jende_> Hawkwind: howdy
[11:32] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Don't know. You said that ebuntu was on the wiki and I just realized that I can't ask Ubotu where it is since I'm butt lazy
[11:32] <rcarr> i.e. he can't go to pastebin, archive.ubuntu.com, ubuntu.com, really odd
[11:33] <rcarr> then we added archive.ubuntu.com and ubuntu.com to his /etc/hosts
[11:33] <Hawkwind> jende_: Hey there
[11:33] <rcarr> and now it's working on and off
[11:33] <Hawkwind> !ebuntu
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ebuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:33] <Brydenn33> hmm maverick: i think i got my fix. look at this... http://blog.neofreko.com/index.php/2006/09/30/ntfs-3g-20070920-beta/
[11:33] <Brydenn33> brb
[11:33] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: So what exactly would you do to get a wiki page title returned to you by the bot ?
[11:34] <rcarr> Anyone have any suggestions?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> !wikiinfo ebuntu
[11:34] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Then it simply return the wiki page URL ?  What if there are more than one ?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> The best result
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Sort of like I'm feeling lucky
[11:35] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: If I file a bug/wishlist on LP will you comment on it and add to it ?
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Ubotu is LPed?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:35] <Hawkwind> The world is on LP :P
[11:35] <Lam_> how do i log into a samba shared folder in kde?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> ha ha Sure
[11:36] <jende_> Hawkwind: what kind of bug/wish is it?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> if its official it goes through LP
[11:36] <Brydenn33> hmm ok that didnt work all that well maverick
[11:37] <Brydenn33> works for the time being
[11:37] <Brydenn33> but when ya reboot its back to the same crap
[11:37] <maverick> hmmm...
[11:38] <maverick> i think i saw this somewhere once upon a time ....
[11:38] <Brydenn33> yah did you see the link i posted about it?
[11:38] <maverick> yep i did
[11:38] <Brydenn33> ok
[11:38] <livingdaylight> how to register with kubuntu forums?
[11:38] <Brydenn33> yah i just dont get it
[11:38] <Brydenn33> i didnt do the "touch" stuff
[11:38] <BonBonTheJon> Lam_: when you start up konqueror, on the main page there should be an option for networked folders or something
[11:38] <livingdaylight> type the letters/numbers in teh box plus
[11:39] <Brydenn33> just the force option though maverick
[11:39] <Brydenn33> and it said it force mounted the "dirty" volume hehe
[11:39] <maverick> why don u try the touch thingy
[11:39] <Lam_> BonBonTheJon: ok thanks. i'll look into that
[11:39] <maverick> Dirty!! yeah lol
[11:39] <Brydenn33> ok i will maverick
[11:40] <maverick> do u think ur ntfs partiton needs a window scan?!!
[11:41] <coreymon> guys
[11:41] <coreymon> i am coreymob77
[11:41] <coreymon> coreymon77
[11:41] <Brydenn33> why would it need a windows scan maverick?
[11:41] <coreymon> konversation messed and now i cant use my nick
[11:41] <Brydenn33> and what does this mean btw... export PATH=$PATH:/sbin/
[11:41] <coreymon> can soomeone please kick it
[11:41] <jende_> coreymon: kickin' what?
[11:42] <coreymon> coreymon77
[11:42] <coreymon> which is my
[11:42] <coreymon> me
[11:42] <coreymon> konversation messed
[11:42] <coreymon> and reset
[11:42] <coreymon> so now i cant use my nick
[11:42] <coreymon> until it gets kcked
[11:42] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots/+bug/67634
[11:42] <Hawkwind> coreymon: Use the nickserv ghost command
[11:43] <Hawkwind> coreymon: If the nick is registered then you can ghost it and then switch nicks
[11:43] <maverick> brydenn33: i guess u're getting ur self into more and mroe complex stuff and going far from the solution...
[11:43] <maverick> i don know aht is PATH=$PATH:/sbin/
[11:43] <Brydenn33> lol
[11:44] <Brydenn33> well what is the solution :)
[11:44] <coreymon77> thank you
[11:44] <maverick> but i know u don't need to know it in ur solution
[11:44] <jende_> Brydenn33: what's the prob?
[11:44] <maverick> am trying to figure it out wiz you
[11:44] <Brydenn33> jende_:  having problems with ntfs-3g
[11:44] <Brydenn33> wont work like it says in the tutorials heh
[11:44] <jende_> Brydenn33: and you're on Dapper or etchy?
[11:44] <Brydenn33> edgy
[11:45] <Brydenn33> the latest release
[11:45] <LogicalDash> How can I get Edgy to work with my Intel ipw3945 wireless card?
[11:45] <Brydenn33> you got an idea how to fix it jende_ :)
[11:46] <jontec> !midi
[11:46] <ubotu> Trouble playing midi files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[11:48] <Karol84PL> DaScreech: I've just open every site that used to cause firefox problem and every one of them did not crash firefox - i have removed many of extensions before - maybe it helped.
[11:48] <jende_> Brydenn33: not really, but I just read a few comments on ntfs-3g in several Kubuntu related forums and it seems to be thet the ntfs-3g support ist still kinda buggy. One said that he installed the ext3 support for Windows and solved his dramas that way
[11:48] <Brydenn33> hmm
[11:48] <Brydenn33> interesting
[11:48] <Brydenn33> i'll keep messing with it i guess :)
[11:49] <livingdaylight> the kubuntu forum is primitive compared to Ubuntu's forums
[11:50] <jende_> Brydenn33: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html   hth
[11:50] <livingdaylight> BonBonTheJon: isn't it past your bedtime?
[11:50] <hazard_> how do I run a .jar file?
[11:51] <JosefK> hazard_: java -jar *filename* ClassContainingMainFunction
[11:51] <hazard_> ClassContainingMainFunction????
[11:51] <JosefK> indeed, the class to use int main( void ) from
[11:51] <JosefK> a jar file doesn't contain that kind of info
[11:52] <JosefK> well, int main( char[]  args )
[11:52] <JosefK> public static int main( char[]  args ) if you're being picky, but the idea's the same.
[11:52] <hazard_> I'm lost.
[11:52] <JosefK> you can try java -jar *jarname*, but afaik it'll give you an error about having nothing to run
[11:53] <hazard_> I want to run a java application.
[11:53] <hazard_> This: http://users.utu.fi/epmelo/releases/jhl-1.2.3-cnfe.zip
[11:53] <hazard_> under kubuntu
[11:53] <hazard_> (but I can't test it right now)
[11:53] <JosefK> hazard_: did you try java -jar *jarname* ?
[11:53] <JosefK> ah
[11:54] <hazard_> Here I don't have a machine running kubuntu, when I'm at school since my laptop died, that's the only machine I have.
[11:54] <hazard_> And having a hotline client would be nice.
[11:54] <JosefK> just try java -jar *jarname*
[11:54] <jende_> JosefK: How are ya?
[11:54] <hazard_> I *know* it works under the jar launcher on OSX on this machine, but I have no idea about kubuntu.
[11:54] <JosefK> hazard_: just do the above
[11:55] <JosefK> jende_: pretty good, thanks, had a big family get-together down in birmingham today :) you?
[11:55] <hazard_> I'll try later when I'm at my kubuntu-box.
[11:55] <jende_> JosefK: I'm not to bad either...got the deal to mograte the server... :-)
[11:55] <jende_> JosefK: I'm not to bad either...got the deal to migrate the server... :-)
[11:55] <JosefK> jende_: congrats :)
[11:56] <shulman> when edgy eft comes out, how do I go about migrating to it? Will it just show up as updates on adept?
[11:56] <jende_> JosefK: thanks, mate...lets se how things will go, though. But shuldn't be a big deal...I hope
[11:56] <JosefK> jende_: wish I could get something like that, I'm putting together a backup system using Zope, Python and Rsync for windows desktops atm :(
[11:57] <JosefK> !upgrade
[11:57] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:57] <jende_> JosefK: thats indees a bit of a hassle
[11:57] <jende_> JosefK: thats indeed a bit of a hassle
[11:57] <jende_> shulman: no, as it is an Upgrade
[11:58] <dragonflyseven> Is there any easy way to get flash 9 working on edgy?
[11:58] <jende_> dragonflyseven: yep
[11:58] <jende_> !flash9
[11:58] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[11:58] <shulman> jende_: so I just install from the CD and it will pick up my old settings?
[11:58] <dragonflyseven> Like a command I could copy?
[11:58] <JosefK> dragonflyseven: not _that_ easy
[11:59] <dragonflyseven> Darn. Any instructions?
[11:59] <jende_> shulman: nope, you just use apt, after modifying you sources.list
[11:59] <JosefK> dragonflyseven: two secs, I might be able to put together a copy+paste one line to do it..
[11:59] <shulman> jende_:  thanks
[11:59] <dragonflyseven> josefK: thank you.
[11:59] <jende_> shulman: do you need the easiest way to do it?
[12:00] <shulman> jende_: I'm just trying to get a feel for how I will do this. Chances are I'll wait a week or  two after edgy eft comes out so any large bugs can get worked out
[12:00] <JosefK> dragonflyseven: wget http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b1_installer_linuxplugin -O /tmp/flash.tar.gz; tar -xzvf /tmp/flash.tar.gz -C /tmp; mkdir -p ~/.mozilla/plugins; cp /tmp/flash-player-plugin-9.0.21.55/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins
[12:00] <steven__> How do I stop Kubuntu / adebt from alerting me about a specific packet update?
[12:01] <Laervian> help please
[12:01] <Laervian> hi everyone :) :-P
[12:01] <JosefK> dragonflyseven: then have Konqueror search for plugins from config (mozilla should pick it up automatically, I think...)
[12:01] <rag> JosefK: hi Jose
[12:01] <JosefK> hey rag
[12:01] <cellofellow> steven_: I know that somehow you can "hold" a package so It wont upgrade. aptitude I think
[12:01] <rag> JosefK, one for you , i know your are guru
[12:01] <dragonflyseven> JosefK: Thank you so much. Do I need to restart?
[12:02] <JosefK> dragonflyseven: nope
[12:02] <jende> shulman: yes or no?
[12:02] <shulman> jende: yes
[12:02] <JosefK> rag: fire away *waits in dread*
[12:02] <rag> JosefK, ;) i have a kubuntu, tomorrow for a customer, a laptop it stop!!!!
[12:02] <Laervian> is there any reason applications like kopete and konversation do NOT have support for unicode characters such as e'? I get things like  every time I try to use those characters
[12:02] <jende> shulman: I'll paste it to pastebin in a sec
[12:02] <steven__> cellofellow: I've tried to hold it but it keeps on alerting me that i dhould update it
[12:02] <rag> JosefK, it stop!!!  pof!
[12:03] <JosefK> rag: ack :/ does it even boot?
[12:03] <cellofellow> steven__: beats me then
[12:03] <rag> JosefK, 3 times , ack?
[12:03] <dragonflyseven> Um... When I try to watch a google video in Firefox, it is just a grey box.
[12:03] <Laervian> have you installed flash?
[12:03] <JosefK> rag: ack = general expression of disbelief/displeasure
[12:03] <rag> JosefK, no on kde, it stop, pof , black screen and power off,
[12:03] <cellofellow> dragonflyseven: flash version? 7 or 9beta?
[12:03] <plugs> !flash9
[12:03] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[12:03] <rag> JosefK, ok
[12:03] <jende> !paste
[12:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:04] <dragonflyseven> I think the 9 beta.
[12:04] <dragonflyseven> Yeah.
[12:04] <JosefK> rag: that's the kind of thing you'd need to check logs for, maybe some faulty RAM? (run a memtest on it when it comes in)
[12:05] <jende> shulman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27888/
[12:05] <rag> JosefK, ok i test ir
[12:05] <rag> it
[12:05] <JosefK> rag: other than that the standard things to check are booting with 'noacpi' or 'noapic nolapic', or checking for a combination of hibernation/clock problems
[12:05] <steven__> Soneone here who knows how i stop Kubuntu /adebt from alerting med about a specific package update?
[12:06] <dragonflyseven> So should I try rebooting?
[12:06] <rag> JosefK: now it dont stop
[12:06] <shulman> jende: Perfect. thanks!
[12:06] <jende> shulman: no worries
[12:06] <snikker> anyones has experience with vmware?
[12:06] <JosefK> rag: it could even have been overheating trouble, unfortunately it's a bit general to diagnose :(
[12:07] <plugs> how do i install a downloaded .deb?
[12:07] <steven__> plugs:  dpkg -i <filename>
[12:07] <jende> plugs: switch to a console and type sudo dpkg -i <filename>
[12:07] <Hawkwind> plugs: sudo dpkg -i file.deb actually :P
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Is edgy shipping with Flash 9?
[12:08] <rag> JosefK, ok
[12:08] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Nope
[12:08] <jende> DaSkreech: nope
[12:08] <rag> JosefK, thanks
[12:08] <Laervian> plugs: open it with GDebi
[12:08] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: There is debs for it though as Seveas built one
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Blast
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Backports?
[12:08] <Laervian> noone knows for unicode support?
[12:08] <Hawkwind> !flash9
[12:08] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[12:08] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: ubuntu never ships with flash anyways. propriety software.
[12:09] <Hawkwind> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[12:09] <DaSkreech> How's that project going?
[12:09] <Hawkwind> It's always in multiverse though which easy to get your hands on :)
[12:09] <steven__> Soneone here who knows how i stop Kubuntu /adebt from alerting med about a specific package update?
[12:10] <_knoppix> can i use automatix under kubuntu ?
[12:10] <LjL> !automatix
[12:10] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!