[12:08] <FireRabbit> oh :)
[12:11] <FireRabbit> i foudn it in the scrollback, thanks
[12:26] <mconnor> ah, sonofa
[12:26] <mconnor> ian's still out on vacation, I'll bet
[12:29] <mconnor> or, maybe not
[12:58] <jdong> installer folks: disregard my complaints about madwifi not working in alternate installer
[12:58] <jdong> it does now
[12:58] <jdong> :)
[12:58] <jdong> as of RC
[01:01] <mcquaid> ok i apologize before hand, I'm asking a support question as I can't find the answer anywhere, maybe a dev knows of a method for this I don't
[01:02] <mcquaid> I have edgy on a secondary drive which doesn't have the mbr on it, I'm moving this edgy drive to a new computer, so obvisouly I have to write the mbr to it, which I'll do via the live cd
[01:02] <mcquaid> but menu.1st and fstab will be incorrect, do I have to manually hack them or is there a way to make it recreate them for this new computer
[01:03] <mcquaid> I guess I'm trying to determine what creates fstab during the install, I'd hack it myself but I thought there must be a graceful way to move a drive from one computer to another
[01:03] <mcquaid> and I'm not sure if the uuid's that edgy uses in fstab remain the same in a new computer.  not sure how uuid's are determined
[01:03] <Fujitsu> mcquaid, the UUID is stored on the filesystem, that's the point :)
[01:04] <mcquaid> ok, so it will remain the same then correct?
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[01:04] <mcquaid> ok, so should I just hack fstab and menu.1st or is there a way to recreate them?
[01:05] <jdong> mcquaid: fstab should need no editing
[01:05] <mcquaid> i know I saw a guide on migrating a ubuntu installed drive to a new computer but can't find it anywhere
[01:05] <mconnor> poningru: yo!
[01:05] <jdong> mcquaid: you need to hack menu.lst to make sure the (hdX,Y) entries are right
[01:05] <mcquaid> jdong, well fstab has entries for drives on this computer which aren't coming over
[01:05] <jdong> mcquaid: well yeah you need to remove those
[01:06] <jdong> mcquaid: AFAIK there's no easy/practical way of calling the installer's fstab/menu.lst installers
[01:06] <jdong> if you know how to do it, you're better off doing it by hand
[01:06] <mcquaid> ok shouldn't be too bad, final question, while i'm still in dapper (which is the first drive) is there a way to make it write the mbr to the second drive (edgy install) now? or should I only do that via a live cd
[01:07] <jdong> mcquaid: it won't be correct....
[01:07] <mcquaid> obviously not wanting it to write dapper's menu.1st but what will be in edgy's boot.1st once i edit it
[01:07] <erdalronahi> doko, I've been working all day on the OOo-templates
[01:08] <erdalronahi> I have a bad suspicion that there are some strings missing completely
[01:08] <jdong> mcquaid: install grub from a livecd once the hard drive reaches its final location
[01:08] <mcquaid> ok i'll go that route, thanks again and sorry for the questions here
[01:09] <erdalronahi> remember the bug we discussed yesterday? It may not be about fuzzy strings, it may be about strings that are not there at all.
[01:11] <mcquaid> btw, a script to recreate fstab/menu.1st would be nice in migrating a drive to a new computer.  win98 dies doing this but winxp actually handles this quite gracefully
[01:13] <jdong> mcquaid: I agree about the script to recreate fstab/menu.lst
[01:13] <jdong> but the winxp thing, I've had quite opposite experiences...
[01:13] <jdong> Mez: ouch!
[01:13] <mcquaid> I've only done it once with xp for a friend and was surprised it went without a hitch
[01:14] <jdong> mcquaid: I've had bad luck with migrating XP to new hardware
[01:14] <jdong> mcquaid: activation aside, the process of redetecting all the hardware usually blows up in my face
[01:14] <jdong> either that or it flat-out BSOD's on bootup due to major hardware differences
[01:15] <mcquaid> ya I thought the same thing would happen, I was ready to reinstall for him, but it went through all the new hardware, a couple of reboots and it was fine
[01:15] <mcquaid> I was really surprised actually
[01:16] <jdong> moving is more reliably when you sysprep it first
[01:16] <jdong> but sysprepping can screw up some programs
[01:16] <jdong> especially kernel-mode stuff like Antiviruses
[01:16] <jdong> anyway, this is completely OT
[01:31] <jdong> Mez: did you need me for something?
[01:33] <erdalronahi> ping doko
[01:34] <jdong> urr, the alternate CD didn't install linux-restricted-modules
[01:34] <jdong> the linux-generic metapackage wasn't installed
[01:45] <pirast> night
[02:21] <elodie_64> Kisss  tous, tout ceux qui on mIRC tapez : /server -m irc.roxshell.net pour une alternative a wanadoo
[02:21] <elodie_64> Kisss  tous, tout ceux qui on mIRC tapez : /server -m irc.roxshell.net pour une alternative a wanadoo
[02:21] <theCore> !ops
[02:21] <Nafallo> bhale: got your privileged nick soon?
[02:22] <scandium> hi, didn't get an answer on #ubuntu, so trying here, hope it's not considered OT ;) is there a reason why launchpad bug 57595 has been idle for weeks although it's about a package of "main" and a security issue (amongst other bugs)?
[02:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57595 in jfsutils "jfsutils 1.1.11 resolves buffer overflow, loops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57595
[02:23] <pygi> somebody please kick this script thingy :)
[02:23] <pygi> thanks :)
[02:24] <pygi> !op
[02:24] <theCore> scandium, that bug is still unconfirmed 
[02:24] <pygi> !ops
[02:24] <Nafallo> pygi: it's not doing anything atm :-)
[02:24] <pygi> Nafallo: hm? :)
[02:24] <theCore> scandium, can you confirm it?
[02:24] <Seveas> pygi, !ops people are not op in here
[02:24] <pygi> right :P
[02:24] <Seveas> rob, elodie_64 is a spambot
[02:24] <Mez> infinity, ping
[02:24] <pygi> Seveas: thanks for letting me know ^_^
[02:25] <scandium> theCore: I can't, but since the developers of jfs(utils) issued a new release because of it, that's proof enough for me in my position :)
[02:25] <bhale> Nafallo: oh, you want me to kick the bot?
[02:25] <theCore> scandium, got a link for the release?
[02:25] <Mez> mdz: ping
[02:25] <bhale> Nafallo: wasnt that annoying :)
[02:25] <Nafallo> bhale: to late :-)
[02:25] <mdz> Mez: ?
[02:25] <Mez> mdz: unping
[02:25] <Seveas> Mez, please don't ping each individual developer for this
[02:25] <Mez> ;)
[02:26] <mdz> good night
[02:26] <Seveas> Mez, if you had paid attention: freenode staff was already on it
[02:26] <Mez> Seveas: I wasn't ;)
[02:26] <scandium> there's also a debian bug about it: 343638
[02:26] <Mez> there are other reasons for me to ping people
[02:27] <Seveas> debian bug 343638
[02:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 343638 in jfsutils "New upstream version fixes stack overflow and more" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/343638
[02:27] <Mez> debbug 343638
[02:27] <Mez> lol
[02:33] <theCore> scandium, I will see what I can do, but I doubt the developers will easily accept a UVF, at time
[02:33] <scandium> I thought so. but I only  noticed this yesterday myself :(
[02:34] <scandium> but thanks. was just curious if there is a deeper meaning of the bug being untouched as of yet :) bye all for now
[02:35] <Nafallo> scandium: I subbed the security team for it :-)
[02:36] <scandium> thanks :)
[02:40] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:40] <Nafallo> 15.85 rc-isos seeded from me ;-)
[03:12] <Onoch> Where do I download Feisty Fawn?
[03:12] <jdong> Onoch, it's not available yet.. edgy isn't even out the door
[03:13] <jdong> Onoch, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/, distribution feisty doesn't exist to the public yet
[03:14] <Onoch> jdong: Aha then which one is more recent?
[03:14] <jdong> though I do recall someone saying they could upload to edgy+1...
[03:14] <jdong> edgy is the most recent
[03:14] <jdong> currently in RC status, slated to release next week
[03:14] <Onoch> jdong: I see, thanks
[03:14] <Onoch> Oh, next week?
[03:14] <jdong> Onoch, in the future, ask this question in another channel... this channel isn't meant for any kind of support questions...
[03:15] <jdong> yeah, the 26th is the release date
[03:15] <Onoch> But what do you use now?
[03:15] <Onoch> Sorry
[03:15] <jdong> Onoch, Dapper Drake is the stable release
[03:15] <jdong> (6.06)
[03:15] <Onoch> jdong: Thanks
[03:15] <jdong> Onoch, the CD images are http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[03:15] <_ion> onoch: sleep 190d; wget -c http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[03:16] <jdong> _ion, LOL
[03:16] <jdong> _ion, does sleep actually work reliably for a 190-day sleep?
[03:16] <jdong> lol
[03:16] <jdong> I don't know how many people have tested that use case...
[03:16] <_ion> I have no idea. :-)
[03:17] <jdong> _ion, do you know if grumpy groundhog is slated to open to the public within this century?
[03:17] <_ion> I don't know anything about that.
[03:18] <jdong> ok
[03:19] <jdong> grr....
[03:20] <jdong> and I blame it on all the stupid people that know me
[03:22] <_ion> When i start to bald, i'll probably just cut all the hair off.
[03:22] <jdong> anyone have a good wise crack to make to a friend who's asking for help after he lost the pasword to his aes/dm-crypt root?
[03:22] <jdong> I figure being a smartass is the best thing to do in this situation :D
[03:26] <_ion> sleep -10d; sudo apt-get install keylogger
[03:26] <_ion> Then simply look at the log
[04:59] <Mez> is there not a meta-package for lamp install ?
[05:05] <fdsd> hey guys, why is it not possible to mount a currupted drive but imaging a drive with dd will allow me to mount the image it creates?  any idea why that works?
[05:06] <fdsd> anyone know?
[05:12] <theCore> Mez, it's a task not a meta package
[05:12] <theCore> Mez, sudo tasksel
[08:49] <Hobbsee> mjg59: you around?
[08:52] <jdub> hrm
[08:52] <jdub> i'm getting "sysvinit in essential" problems during upgrade from dapper to edgy
[08:53] <jdub> (i've done an upgrade, now doing an install of u-d and friends, doing quite a bit to satisfy depends, until the sysvinit issue)
[08:53] <tfheen> morning, Sarah
[08:53] <tfheen> and Jeff
[08:54] <Hobbsee> hey tfheen 
[08:54] <jdub> hey tfheen 
[08:54] <jdub> sudo apt-get install --purge ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-standard ubuntu-minimal nautilus nautilus-cd-burner xorg hwdb-client-gnome xutils xutils-dev x11-common xserver-xorg upstart-compat-sysv
[08:54] <jdub> a dist-upgrade would remove u-d and a bunch of other interesting stuff
[08:54] <tfheen> jdub: use the dist-upgrader
[08:54] <jdub> seriously?
[08:55] <tfheen> you're probably running into https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/63680
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63680 in apt "dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade holds back essential packages" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[09:08] <jdub> tfheen: half-upgraded to edgy, the dist-upgrader doesn't offer to dist-upgrade... 
[09:08] <tfheen> jdub: run with -c
[09:08] <infinity> Yeah, a bit late now.
[09:09] <jdub> tfheen: already running with -c and -d
[09:09] <jdub> also switching to dapper in sources.list doesn't work
[09:09] <jdub> ;)
[09:09] <infinity> jdub: Where's your upgrade stuck right now?
[09:10] <jdub> infinity: between no upgrades and an ugly dist-upgrade
[09:10] <jdub> and see further above for attempting to resolve installing u-d
[09:11] <jdub> should i just do the "Yes, do as I say!" schtick and get on with it?
[09:12] <infinity> No, just upgrade sysvinit first.
[09:12] <infinity> apt-get install sysvinit && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:12] <infinity> If you upgrade to the edgy version, it won't be essential anymore.
[09:12] <jdub> yeah, good point
[09:12] <jdub> oh, aside from the removals.
[09:18] <infinity> I guess I should do that fpc bootstrap today so people stop whining at me.
[09:27] <imbrandon> infinity, hehe
[10:11] <crimsun> hmm, I'm receiving an error when using dput: Error '(110, 'Connection timed out')'
[10:17] <infinity> Could be the connection timing out.
[10:17] <crimsun> checked from three different hosts, though
[10:17] <crimsun> (on separate peering)
[10:18] <infinity> Well, StevenK managed to upload something ~2 hours ago.
[10:18] <infinity> Let me upload some random crap and then reject it.
[10:19] <minghua> let's hope infinity doesn't press the wrong button when rejecting it :-)
[10:20] <infinity> crimsun: Upload went fine.
[10:20] <crimsun> hmph.
[10:20] <infinity> crimsun: You're uploading to upload.ubuntu.com, right? :)
[10:20] <crimsun> yessir
[10:21] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/foo$ host upload.ubuntu.com
[10:21] <infinity> upload.ubuntu.com       A       82.211.81.167
[10:21] <infinity> ?
[10:21] <crimsun> yep
[10:21] <infinity> Whacky.
[10:21] <infinity> Passive versus active FTP confusion?
[10:22] <crimsun> blah, went through fine now. Sorry for the noise.
[10:24] <infinity> Someone must have unclogged the internet tubes.
[10:24] <crimsun> heh :)
[10:25] <infinity> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P83FGtPCuvc  <-- For those who didn't get the reference.
[10:52] <erdalronahi> Hi doko
[11:22] <ubitux> hi
[11:22] <ubitux> do you know if scite is going to be patch ?
[11:51] <crimsun> ubitux: for?
[11:51] <crimsun> ubitux: also, it's better addressed in #ubuntu-motu, probably
[11:52] <ubitux> crimsun, it's okay Gloubiboulga has make a patch ; it was concerning the tabs who don't work
[11:52] <ubitux> ok
[11:57] <giskard> hello
[12:03] <pradeep> giskard, hello
[12:31] <highvoltage> wow. I just looked at the ubuntu-devel mailing list for the first time in a while and it has certainly become very noisy.
[01:10] <sivang> hi
[01:17] <pygi> hi sivang 
[01:21] <tkamppeter> doko, Kamion, I have made an exception request for getting the fix of bug 65618 into Edgy -> biff
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65618 in foo2zjs "Package broken/incomplete, missing firmware files" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65618
[01:22] <tfheen> tkamppeter: your last comment on that bugs says: "Closing this bug for all packages, as it is not a bug but simply a usability problem.".  Is it a UI problem or is it a bug in the package?
[01:25] <ogra> tfheen, could you approve ltsp ?
[01:26] <ogra> (need a debdiff ?)
[01:27] <tfheen> ogra: yes, I could if I see a debdiff
[01:27] <ogra> one sec
[01:28] <ogra> tfheen, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp.debdiff
[01:28] <tfheen> ogra: looks good; approved.
[01:28] <tkamppeter> tfheen, the HPLIP issue was not a bug, the foo2zjs thingy with the firmware was really a bug which is fixed by my new package. As I wrote this comment I did not realize that my fix was not uploaded yet.
[01:29] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:29] <tkamppeter> Therefore I returned to "in Progress" for foo2zjs.
[01:33] <tfheen> tkamppeter: no, it is not clear at all that there is a bug in foo2zjs, what the bug is and what the fix is.
[01:33] <infinity> ogra: Is that the one that's already in the queue?
[01:34] <tkamppeter> tfheen, so I explain it from the very beginning:
[01:34] <infinity> Ahh, yes, looks like it.
[01:34] <infinity> ogra: Accepted.
[01:34] <tfheen> tkamppeter: the usual way to read a bug report is that any information in a later message which contradicts earlier information overrides it.  Your "Closing this bug for all packages, as it is not a bug but simply a usability problem." means the RMs read this as "this is not an issue" and remove it from their radar.
[01:34] <msikma> I have a question for the devs. I just upgraded to 6.10 and it seems that the LegacyHuman controls/widgets have been changed. They were broken a bit and just generally look uglier (I'm active in ubuntu artwork but haven't been noticing these changes).
[01:34] <tkamppeter> The Hp LaserJet 1000, 1005, 1018, and 1020 are cheapo lasers, which need their firmware loaded whenever they are turned on.
[01:34] <msikma> Here's a screenshot that shows what I mean: http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/layoutchanges.png
[01:35] <tkamppeter> tfheen, should I open a new bug to clarify?
[01:35] <ogra> infinity, yes, and thanks :)
[01:35] <msikma> E.g. the arrowed buttons no longer fit, the corners of the input boxes are missing and it just generally bothers me that an old theme of previous systems (which claims to be "as it was back then") was changed around by someone who didn't know what he was doing.
[01:35] <tfheen> tkamppeter: no, you can add correct information to the bug report saying something like "The current state is: $state, $problem still remains, but $fix is the right way to fix this"
[01:36] <tfheen> tkamppeter: or something to that effect
[01:36] <msikma> So my question is: does anyone know about this or why it was altered?
[01:36] <tkamppeter> tfheen, I will add a final comment
[01:36] <tfheen> tkamppeter: thanks.
[01:40] <msikma> I reported this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/67548
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67548 in ubuntu-artwork "LegacyHuman controls/widgets visually broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:40] <msikma> ah okay
[01:47] <tkamppeter> tfheen, I have added the commen to bug 65618 now. I hope this helps, as the report got really confusing due to the many other problems the original poster had.
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65618 in foo2zjs "Package broken/incomplete, missing firmware files" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65618
[01:48] <tfheen> tkamppeter: much better.
[01:50] <tkamppeter> tfheen, I have tested this configuration with an LJ 1020 on Mandriva 2007 and the original poster of the bug has tested with an LJ 1020 on Ubuntu Edgy RC.
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[01:53] <tkamppeter> tfheen, unfortunately, I could not test the LJ 1020 with Ubuntu Edgy, as HP France wanted to have it back.
[01:54] <tkamppeter> So I had to work with the poster of the bug, but we solved the final problems via IRC and so we got all working on Friday.
[01:54] <tfheen> ok.  I need to review the patch thoroughly and test it as much as I can before it can be accepted.
[01:59] <tkamppeter> OK, tfheen, thanks in advance for putting this in.
[05:55] <erdalronahi> doko, after hours of work I found a fix for the Rosetta problem
[05:56] <erdalronahi> I already filed a new bugreport for it
[06:40] <LazyBear> hi
[06:41] <LazyBear> could anyone reccomend me an rsync program for ms windows? :p I need to get this edgy downloaded
[06:42] <_ion> Well, rsync. But you don't need it to download edgy.
[06:42] <PsyTec> LazyBear: getright
[06:43] <PsyTec> and that is the developer channel by the way. no support questions please
[06:43] <LazyBear> _ion, if I want to keep an image up to date, wouldn't rsync be the best?
[06:43] <LazyBear> aokay
[06:45] <siretart> woah. since when does launchpad send FTBFS notices?
[06:50] <TMM> doko: hi! are you there?
[06:52] <Nafallo> siretart: I dunno. My stuff builds ;-).
[06:52] <TMM> 'if it builds, ship it. If it works, even better!!!'
[06:52] <TMM> ;)
[06:53] <Nafallo> TMM: haha
[06:54] <TMM> Nafallo: :)
[06:55] <siretart> Nafallo: well, ia32-libs-sdl FTBFS on i386, because.. because.. it is not in the Architectures list!
[06:55] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:55] <siretart> on purpose
[06:55] <siretart> no, seriously, I'd like to get it added to P-a-s
[06:55] <Nafallo> I was just about to say something along that line :-)
[06:56] <Nafallo> or make soyuz not try to build stuff it shouldn't ;-)
[07:08] <infinity> siretart: Mail me a reminder and I'll get it in P-a-s.
[07:09] <infinity> (bed now)
[07:09] <siretart> infinity: okay, will do. thanks
[07:11] <TMM> anyone of the Openoffice munchers here? :)
[07:11] <siretart> infinity: gn8
[07:15] <Nafallo> TMM: don't know if doko is here ;-)
[07:15] <TMM> Nafallo: 'the openoffice munchers' is just doko? :)
[07:16] <Nafallo> TMM: AFAIK :-)
[07:17] <TMM> poor bastard
[07:18] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:36] <siretart> Nafallo: guess what, it FTBFS on powerpc as well :P
[07:36] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:36] <Nafallo> so teach soyuz to not even try to build it, kthxbye :-)
[07:38] <siretart> Nafallo: this is what's P-a-s is for
[07:39] <Nafallo> siretart: so soyuz shouldn't be smart itself instead?
[08:00] <siretart> Nafallo: perhaps there could be some better heuristics for automatically adding things to P-a-s. currently, it is a manually maintained list.
[08:00] <TMM> I am really beginning to hate this OOo bug
[08:00] <Nafallo> baah!
[08:01] <TMM> probably just some small OOB somewhere... I mean, it crashes on creating a new string...
[08:01] <Nafallo> I got a FTBFS notice :-P
[08:01] <TMM> Nafallo: what's that?
[08:01] <Nafallo> failed to build from source
[08:01] <TMM> nasty
[08:01] <TMM> and not on amd64... doesn't it make sense that it is an OOB then?
[08:02] <TMM> input would be greatly appreciated :)
[08:05] <Nafallo> infinity: why haven't erlang built on ia64? :-)
[08:05] <Nafallo> infinity: uploaded 2006-09-21 01:03:40 CEST ;-)
[08:09] <broonie> Is it just me that launchpad appears to have taken to e-mailing build failures to?
[08:10] <Nafallo> broonie: nope
[08:10] <broonie> I've just got a string of build failure notifications for packages I maintain in Debian being built on arches they don't support.
[08:10] <broonie> Ah. I take it this is a bug?
[08:10] <Nafallo> for Debian maintainers receiving them I would count it as that yes :-)
[08:10] <infinity> Argh, it's definitely a bug that it's mailing Debian maintainers. :/
[08:11] <infinity> Tihs feature wasn't supposed to be rolled out yet.
[08:11] <broonie> I do actually use my autogenerated launchpad account so I might have done something to request notification
[08:11] <infinity> And certainly not in a broken state.
[08:12] <Nafallo> crackful then...
[08:12] <broonie> I can't see any way to access the logs except via the links in the e-mails.
[08:12] <infinity> broonie: Oh, if you're active in LP, it may be making an exception.  Still, it's not meant to be doing it at all yet, AFAIk.
[08:12] <infinity> broonie: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<package>/<version> should get you close to the logs.
[08:12] <Nafallo> infinity: I'm glad I saw that erlang was still in needs-build though :-P
[08:13] <infinity> Nafallo: It's in needs-build because I did a mass-give-back (which is why everyone's getting mail)
[08:13] <infinity> Nafallo: It was "failed" a few hours ago.
[08:13] <Nafallo> ah, oki :-)
[08:13] <Nafallo> good then :-)
[08:13] <broonie> infinity: Oh, so it does. It's doing crackful things like try to build lsadb (for Apple Desktop Bus) on all arches.
[08:13] <infinity> broonie: Is it in P-a-s?
[08:13] <broonie> I have no idea.
[08:14] <infinity> broonie: If not (and I assume not), mail me about it, and I'll fix P-a-s in both Debian and Ubuntu.
[08:14] <broonie> I only use launchpad to report bugs and track issues in my packages.
[08:14] <infinity> (adconrad@{debian.org,ubuntu.com})
[08:14] <infinity> Pick one, seeing as how I have to fix P-a-s for both.
[08:15] <infinity> Err, wait.
[08:15] <infinity> No, P-a-s is right.  This is a lingering bug from back when it was broken.
[08:15] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/build/dak/srcdep$ grep lsadb Packages-arch-specific 
[08:15] <infinity> lsadb: powerpc                                                        # macintosh-only bus
[08:15] <infinity> ^^ Looks right?
[08:15] <broonie> TenDRA should be i386 only too.
[08:16] <infinity> Actually, why isn't that powerpc m68k?  Weren't there m68k adb machines?
[08:16] <broonie> Yes, that's about right. lsadb might support ppc64 too, I guess.
[08:17] <broonie> Hrm. Yes, there were - Macs always used adb until they ditched it for USB.
[08:17] <infinity> S'what I thought.
[08:17] <broonie> If the kernel interfaces are compatible it ought to work on both...
[08:17] <infinity> I only work with Amigas, Ataris, and Freescale's new ColdFire stuff, but I was pretty sure the mac68k had ADB busses.
[08:19] <infinity> broonie: Okay, it's 4am and I'm far too tired to actually think rationally about it right now, but could I beg you to send me an email along the lines of "hey, want to try compiling lsadb on a quadra and see if it does anything useful?" for me? :)
[08:19] <infinity> broonie: I can give it a whirl on one of the Debian buildds when I'm bored.
[08:19] <broonie> Sure.
[08:19] <infinity> "bored" probably being something that'll happen after edgy releases. :)
[08:20] <broonie> No great rush given that it's been packaged for three years or something and nobody cared yet.
[08:21] <broonie> Thanks.
[08:21] <infinity> Yeah.  We don't have that many mac68k users, since they're pretty much the slowest 68k hardware known to man.
[08:21] <broonie> That's pretty dammning, really.
[08:21] <infinity> Well, the slowest that we fully support.  The Sun pizzaboxes and hppa slabs were slower.
[08:21] <infinity> s/hppa/HP/
[08:22] <infinity> brain melting.
[08:22] <broonie> If it's 4am you probably ought to get some sleep :)
[08:22] <infinity> It's a theory, yes. :)
[08:24] <Nafallo> hehe. nightworker ;-)
[08:24] <Seveas> bronson, infinity doesn't sleep during a release crunch
[08:25] <infinity> Lies.
[08:25] <infinity> I slept 3 hours yesterday.
[08:25] <Seveas> score!
[08:25] <infinity> And I intend to sleep for the next 4 or so.
[08:25] <infinity> My reputation is entirely unwarranted.
[08:25] <Nafallo> infinity: how much will you sleep post-6.10? :-)
[08:26] <fabbione> probably nothing
[08:26] <fabbione> we will be all too busy getting drunk :)
[08:26] <Nafallo> lol
[08:26] <infinity> fabbione: Only if you're buying in SFO.
[08:26] <Seveas> hmm, a week of sleep deprivation + alcool abuse == fun
[08:27] <infinity> I did some incredibly complex math recently to discover that I've spent about twice what I made in the last 4 months, so I'm in no position to buy thousands of dollars in rounds for my coworkers this time.
[08:27] <fabbione> infinity:  i will 
[08:28] <fabbione> infinity: at least i will for you
[08:29] <fabbione> infinity: go and get some sleep dude
[08:29] <infinity> I'm in bed right now.  Just working on the whole passing out thing.
[08:29] <mconnor> I guess there's no way to force launchpad to sync the upstream status without waiting a day?
[08:29] <fabbione> infinity: one good step is to close the lid of your laptop
[08:30] <Seveas> mconnor, you could bribe launchpad admins in #launchpad
[08:30] <mconnor> Seveas: I'm lazy though :)
[08:30] <Seveas> mconnor, then there's no way
[08:30] <mconnor> hmm, fair enough
[08:30] <mconnor> people can click the link, its not really critical, I already attached the upstream fix
[08:41] <TMM> it just bloody well crashes on creating a new OUString ... why
[08:41] <TMM> on ia32 only
[09:17] <Riddell> is python 2.5 default in edgy?
[09:17] <Nafallo> shouldn't be
[09:25] <Riddell> ah, python-all-dev brings in python2.5-dev as well as python2.4-dev is all
[09:31] <doko> Riddell: correct
[09:36] <TMM> hey doko
[09:37] <TMM> doko: do any of my bug remarks and/or backtraces make any sense to you? 
[09:37] <doko> sorry, no
[09:37] <TMM> doko: meh :)
[09:38] <TMM> doko: I found out that it just segfaults on creating a new OUSTRING for some reason... weird ass OOB somewhere, I haven't been able to track it down yet :(
[09:41] <TMM> doko: I have now reverted leak-sal-file.diff as it doesn't seem to apply cleanly to the 2.0.4 code, and I didn't see the sense of it too much... but that is just a hunch I'm afraid :) there is just soooo much code :)
[09:41] <TMM> doko: it does apply btw, just with some fuzz
[09:42] <doko> I think I found a workaround, will have to test it
[09:43] <TMM> doko: what did you find?
[10:00] <mpt> ajmitch, ping
[10:18] <TMM> doko: well, that wasn't it, I think I have to give up now
[10:34] <Adri2000> who can ack uploads except dholbach ?
[10:34] <Nafallo> ajmitch, slomo and siretart?
[10:34] <Nafallo> I think
[10:36] <Adri2000> ok, ping ajmitch slomo siretart :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> mpt, Adri2000: pong
[10:53] <mpt> ajmitch, are you taking NZ8 on November 4th?
[10:53] <Adri2000> ajmitch: can you look at bug 54383 and the debdiff I attached ?
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54383 in pppoeconf "[Edgy]  pppoeconf prints useless error message, doesn't do anything" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54383
[10:55] <ajmitch> mpt: yes, I am
[10:55] <ajmitch> mpt: I'm flying from christchurch->auckland first though
[10:57] <mpt> See you in Auckland, then :-)
[10:57] <mpt> But the reason I asked, is that we arrive in SFO on the 4th
[10:57] <ajmitch> yes, I don't have the hotel sorted yet
[10:57] <mpt> not the 5th
[10:57] <mpt> Do you know that that's ok with the hotel?
[10:58] <ajmitch> afaik it's expected
[10:58] <mpt> What do you need to sort, then?
[10:58] <ajmitch> since UDS itself starts on the 5th
[10:58] <sivang> mpt: going to mountain view?
[10:58] <mpt> sivang, yep
[10:58] <ajmitch> I need to book the hotel :)
[10:58] <mpt> oh!
[10:58] <sivang> mpt: ah cool, doing LP work there?
[10:59] <ajmitch> so I'm not sure if I'll be at the wild palms one or not
[10:59] <mpt> because you're not a Canonical person
[10:59] <mpt> silly me
[10:59] <ajmitch> correct
[10:59] <mpt> sivang, I hope so
[10:59] <mpt> but only informally
[11:00] <ajmitch> mpt: are you leaving directly from auckland, not getting a connecting flight there?
[11:00] <mpt> ajmitch, yeah, Nelson->Auckland
[11:00] <samuel_> I'm from NZ too
[11:00] <ajmitch> right
[11:01] <mpt> samuel_, is it raining where you are too?
[11:01] <KurtKraut> There is a bug in Edgy, confirmed and with High Priority that makes computers that depend on PPPoE to connect to the internet unable to connect.
[11:01] <samuel_> yes it has been raining for two days straight
[11:01] <samuel_> there goes my plans for beer and bbq's.
[11:01] <sivang> mpt: I see nice
[11:02] <KurtKraut> This bug was reported on Knot 2 and hasn't been fixed yet. If Edgy is released with this problem, a bunch of people won't be able to connect to the internet to ask for help or make updates
[11:02] <Adri2000> KurtKraut: bug in pppoeconf ?
[11:02] <KurtKraut> Adri2000, yes
[11:02] <sivang> mpt: shame we won't be able to meet over a cup of hubackup ;-) could have helped some improvemnts over the Paris designed GUI.
[11:02] <KurtKraut> This is a simple bug to be fixed. Envolves only changing 4 lines. How can I endorse the importance of this fix ?
[11:02] <Adri2000> KurtKraut: eh :) I was asking ajmitch to look at it, ajmitch?
[11:03] <mpt> sivang, you got declined for sponsorship?
[11:03] <KurtKraut> The majority of internet connections in Brazil are broadband (60%). And the majority of theses connections are pppoe based.
[11:03] <sivang> mpt: yep
[11:03] <mpt> samuel_, what area?
[11:03] <mpt> sivang, that sucks :-/
[11:03] <samuel_> Palmerston North
[11:03] <KurtKraut> This bug will lead ubuntu to an unacceptable situation in Brazil
[11:03] <mpt> KurtKraut, have you or someone else attached a patch?
[11:04] <fabbione> KurtKraut: what is the bug number at least?
[11:04] <Adri2000> mpt: I have attached a debdiff
[11:04] <fabbione> whining with no reference is pointless
[11:04] <sivang> mpt: oh well, this is how the world revolves, there's a sentence in arabic for this "One day can be honey, but another can be onion" :-)
[11:04] <KurtKraut> fabbione,  I'm loading LP at the moment. Just a sec.
[11:04] <ajmitch> Adri2000: I can look, but the package is in main
[11:04] <Adri2000> bug 54383
[11:04] <mpt> yum
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54383 in pppoeconf "[Edgy]  pppoeconf prints useless error message, doesn't do anything" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54383
[11:04] <ajmitch> Adri2000: I can only approve uploads for universe
[11:04] <Adri2000> ah :-(
[11:04] <Adri2000> who can for main ?
[11:04] <sivang> mpt: how do you like the way the UI is molding ?
[11:04] <KurtKraut> that's it... bug 54383
[11:05] <KurtKraut> fabbione, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pppoeconf/+bug/54383
[11:05] <Nafallo> Adri2000: Kamion, mdz, tfheen AFAIK
[11:05] <KurtKraut> This bug can be fixed by adding a # to 3 lines. Extremely simple.
[11:06] <mpt> sivang, is the screenshot on the wiki up to date?
[11:06] <KurtKraut> Adri2000, I've just seen this bug is assigned to you. Any chance this bug to be fixed in Edgy before the official release ?
[11:07] <sivang> mpt: yes, if you're looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/HUB
[11:07] <sivang> mpt: HUB= HomeUserBackup
[11:07] <mpt> Well, there are many small errors
[11:08] <Adri2000> KurtKraut: I attached a debdiff (to make a fixed package), but I am not a core dev and I can't upload
[11:08] <Adri2000> Kamion, mdz or tfheen have to check first and then a core dev will be able to upload
[11:10] <sivang> mpt: but the general directio is rather good isn't it?
[11:10] <mpt> it's ok :-)
[11:10] <mpt> I don't think the thing that appears when you double-click a backup file should be an alert
[11:11] <mpt> That's a bit impolite
[11:11] <mpt> For conflicts, I suggest listing them all at once with radiobuttons, not one at a time with alerts
[11:12] <Adri2000> KurtKraut: maybe you can install the .deb I attached and confirm that it fixes the bug
[11:14] <sivang> mpt: let me look again
[11:15] <sivang> mpt: the restore/update dialoge doesn't seem like an alret to me, what of it suggests it's an alert?
[11:15] <mpt> gah, I just closed the window, one moment
[11:16] <sivang> mpt: sorry
[11:16] <mpt> not your fault :-)
[11:17] <mpt> I'm talking about the window with the title "Backup File love-me.dar"
[11:17] <sivang> mpt: yes, I cna't see why you think its an alret
[11:17] <mpt> Well, it's shaped like an alert
[11:17] <mpt> it has an icon like an alert
[11:17] <KurtKraut> Adri2000, I'm downloading... just a sec
[11:17] <mpt> it has a "Cancel" button
[11:17] <mpt> it has primary and secondary text
[11:18] <mpt> The only thing that's non-alert-like about it is that it has a title!
[11:20] <sivang> mpt: now I follow yu
[11:20] <sivang> mpt: so s/Cancel/Exit/ ?
[11:20] <mpt> No, no, renaming things won't change it :-)
[11:21] <helmut> Hi. How to correctly hit ubuntu people for sending me ftbfs reports for a package I don't maintain in ubuntu?
[11:21] <mpt> I suggest merging the functions provided in the alert, into the window currently entitled "Restore"
[11:21] <Nafallo> helmut: that was #launchpad s fault
[11:21] <helmut> Nafallo: thanks!
[11:22] <mpt> huh, Nafallo, what?
[11:22] <mpt> How was it Launchpad's fault?
[11:22] <Nafallo> mpt: soyuz has sent out FTBFS reports to Debian maintainers.
[11:22] <fabbione> mpt: LP is not supposed to send these emails out yet
[11:23] <Nafallo> mpt: for Ubuntu packages.
[11:23] <mpt> Nafallo, and this is reported as a bug in Launchpad?
[11:23] <Kamion> Adri2000: your patch is fine; please get a member of ubuntu-core-dev to upload ASAP
[11:23] <Nafallo> mpt: dunno. I know infinity stopped something :-)
[11:24] <Nafallo> I would assume he filed a bug aswell, but that's just my guessing :-)
[11:24] <sivang> mpt: hmm, interesting.
[11:24] <Adri2000> Kamion: ok, thanks for ack
[11:24] <sivang> mpt: yes, I'm buying this :)
[11:25] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you're a core-dev IIRC? ;-)
[11:25] <sivang> mpt: you wouldn't happen to have time to note/mock this up using glade on the wiki page? :)
[11:27] <mpt> Using glade? I don't have a spare week
[11:28] <mpt> >:-P
[11:28] <mpt> Each time I see a GTK app with a bad GUI I need to remind myself how difficult glade is
[11:29] <Seveas> mpt, glade3 isn't better?
[11:30] <KurtKraut> Adri2000, the fix works
[11:30] <KurtKraut> Adri2000, now pppoeconf is running as expected
[11:31] <Adri2000> KurtKraut: cool, you can add a comment to confirm, and it will be uploaded soon
[11:32] <Gavrila> is grub stopping to recognize UUID at boot on edgy in topic here?
[11:36] <sivang> mpt: hehe, yes, you should :) 
[11:37] <sivang> mpt: sure thing, I can imagine how it would look combined, I might give it a try for the next release though :)
[11:37] <sivang> mpt: the guy who did the glade designs is a very talented glader , I would have to ask him to provide those. I've long given up on trying to work out glade's crunch :)