| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: reload synaptic in order to check for updates | 12:16 |
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| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: what happened? | 12:22 |
| chovynz | it has a list of upgradeable installed apps. but it does say 88mgs need to be downloaded. | 12:23 |
| chovynz | i read on the apt-proxy page that we need to point the deb http lines to deb //var/... maybe this would help? | 12:24 |
| chovynz | ^ deb line in sources.list | 12:24 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: the 88 megs is because you were missing some repositories | 12:25 |
| chovynz | ...which are already on my other HD, which brings me back to my original question.....how do i make a harddrive a repository source | 12:25 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: did you set up apt-proxy | 12:26 |
| chovynz | no. i've been following the command lines. I'm gonna try apt next | 12:26 |
| chovynz | <sigh> Q. how do i search for all files of *.deb in File manager? | 12:34 |
| chovynz | nautilus | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | does nautilus do that? | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | like system-wide searches? | 12:35 |
| chovynz | its supposed to i thought | 12:35 |
| chovynz | yeah | 12:35 |
| chovynz | the search function doesn't seem to work like it looks like it should | 12:35 |
| stelis | Places > Search searches your personal data | 12:36 |
| stelis | Emails etc. | 12:36 |
| stelis | Rather than all of the system | 12:36 |
| chovynz | ok....even when you select file system? | 12:36 |
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| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: I know how using the command line | 12:37 |
| chovynz | :D how? | 12:37 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: 'cp -v -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives' | 12:38 |
| chovynz | "y enter y enter y enter y enter y enter ..." :D | 12:41 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: then do control-c | 12:41 |
| BonBonTheJon | and take out the -i | 12:41 |
| chovynz | its ok. its already done | 12:42 |
| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: ok heres another question for you....what would the uri for my secondary HD be? how would i find this out? | 12:52 |
| stelis | file:// plus the device name | 12:54 |
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| stelis | e.g. file:///dev/hda1 | 12:54 |
| stelis | Three slashes because of the leading slash in the device names | 12:55 |
| chovynz | "/" = root? | 12:55 |
| stelis | Yes | 12:56 |
| stelis | Devices are files | 12:56 |
| stelis | In /dev | 12:56 |
| stelis | Drives are then mounted to access | 12:56 |
| stelis | The contents of the devices appear under /media by default | 12:57 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: what do you need the URI for | 12:57 |
| stelis | So the contents of /dev/cdrom would appear in /media/cdrom | 12:57 |
| chovynz | stelis: thats true | 12:58 |
| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: i need that address which is where the local repository for my entire upgraded old system is | 12:59 |
| stelis | I wasn't sure how much you knew already :) | 12:59 |
| chovynz | stelis: good for checking | 12:59 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: is this for apt-proxy | 12:59 |
| chovynz | still SPM...haven't figured out apt yet..i've been following the tutorial, but there are steps in there that i dont need | 01:00 |
| chovynz | what i do need is for sources.list to point to my mounted HD. I don't know the syntax for the SPM / apt channel | 01:01 |
| chovynz | then when i run SPM it will see the updated old apps, see the recent "old" files, think of my old upgraded system as a channel and overwrite my new ones. | 01:02 |
| chovynz | which is what i want :D | 01:03 |
| chovynz | is there a crying emote in here? | 01:05 |
| BonBonTheJon | :'( | 01:05 |
| BonBonTheJon | I guess | 01:05 |
| chovynz | that'll do :) :'( | 01:05 |
| chovynz | i might as well have DL them all again | 01:06 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: don't give up | 01:06 |
| chovynz | for the time its taken me this far | 01:06 |
| chovynz | heres the file error message i get | 01:06 |
| chovynz | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27893/ | 01:07 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: can you pastebin you sources.list | 01:09 |
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| chovynz | ok | 01:09 |
| chovynz | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27895/ | 01:11 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: are you using breezy or dapper | 01:13 |
| chovynz | dapper | 01:13 |
| chovynz | ah | 01:14 |
| chovynz | i used badger didnt i | 01:14 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: did you run through the apt-proxy tutorial | 01:14 |
| chovynz | i didnt completly. I thought it wasn't what i needed. I'll take another look | 01:15 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: did you copy all the .deb files to a folder on the new drive | 01:18 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: you can install all of them, I guess | 01:18 |
| chovynz | all these tutorials and documentations are talking about http internet and networked computers. They aren't talking about a local HD on the same machine - this is the syntax i need for SPM to recognise where to find the undated files. | 01:19 |
| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: i dont even know how to find all .deb files yet | 01:19 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: did you copy all the files | 01:20 |
| chovynz | i c&p what you told me to | 01:20 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: I have an idea, open up the console and follow with me | 01:20 |
| chovynz | the cp -i - v bit | 01:20 |
| chovynz | console? | 01:20 |
| chovynz | terminal or naut? | 01:20 |
| BonBonTheJon | terminal | 01:21 |
| chovynz | done | 01:21 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: ok, change into the directory with all the .deb 'ch /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives' | 01:21 |
| BonBonTheJon | 'cd /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives' | 01:22 |
| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: k | 01:22 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: now we will install all of them 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' | 01:22 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: it should take a long time, it is installing all of the files | 01:24 |
| chovynz | yes :D | 01:24 |
| chovynz | o.O i just thought....why are we installing all of the files? | 01:24 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: it will have the updated files | 01:25 |
| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: im seeing packages in there that i unchecked | 01:25 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: like...? | 01:25 |
| chovynz | like most things to do with kde | 01:26 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: well, they will show up in synaptic, so you can remove them | 01:27 |
| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: lol. ok if it works i guess | 01:27 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: better to get too much and remove the extra, than download it all over again | 01:27 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: dinner time, I'll be back later | 01:28 |
| chovynz | ok thnx | 01:28 |
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| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: update? | 01:55 |
| chovynz | command line is done | 01:55 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: refresh synaptic and see if there are any updates | 01:55 |
| chovynz | it says the same thing. and its still downloading from the internet | 01:56 |
| chovynz | i said yes this time | 01:56 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: hmm, I don't knwo | 01:57 |
| chovynz | o.O i need to restart | 01:58 |
| chovynz | ill bbs | 01:58 |
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| chovynz | BonBonTheJon: <shrug> it all seems to be updated. I dont know when it did, and i dont know how...but it is | 02:08 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: thats the important thing | 02:08 |
| chovynz | there seems to be some gaps though - openoffice updates for instance | 02:08 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: you can add the openoffice repository | 02:09 |
| chovynz | ah well...Thanks muchly for helping me | 02:09 |
| chovynz | I do appreciate it | 02:10 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: glad to be of service | 02:10 |
| chovynz | was it a mission? | 02:10 |
| BonBonTheJon | huh? | 02:11 |
| chovynz | I guess if i need any more help with EDU ill come back here :) | 02:14 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: of course | 02:14 |
| chovynz | thanx all | 02:15 |
| chovynz | Thanks BonBonTheJon | 02:15 |
| chovynz | ~ | 02:15 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: no problem | 02:15 |
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| chovynz | Q. what was the other apps other than WINE? | 02:22 |
| chovynz | vmware and qvm or something | 02:22 |
| BonBonTheJon | vmware or qemu | 02:22 |
| chovynz | qemu. thnx thats what i was looking for | 02:23 |
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| chovynz | qemu up and running | 04:37 |
| chovynz | oh yeah, so is windows | 04:37 |
| BonBonTheJon | chovynz: cool | 04:37 |
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| sky123 | thanxsa earlier with help on PXE....got it working !!! :) | 05:37 |
| sky123 | lucasvo:thnx | 05:37 |
| sky123 | highvoltage:thnx | 05:37 |
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| P3L|C4N0 | greetings | 06:14 |
| BonBonTheJon | hi | 06:14 |
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| sky123 | whoo hoo! xchat working with edubuntu thin client!!! | 07:47 |
| sky123 | nice! | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | cool | 07:48 |
| sky123 | :) | 07:48 |
| sky123 | Hi guys can someone help me understand whether schooltool is installed by default on the server end??? | 07:48 |
| sky123 | and how do i access it via the web? | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I think it's installed on a server install | 07:52 |
| bimberi | yes, edubuntu-server depends on it | 07:53 |
| sky123 | right...i saw it synaptic...but i guess my question was a litttle vague...how do i access it?? | 07:53 |
| sky123 | cool | 07:53 |
| bimberi | sky123: try http://localhost:7180 | 07:53 |
| bimberi | (a guess) | 07:53 |
| sky123 | cool will do | 07:53 |
| sky123 | ill netstat -ln it if necessary | 07:54 |
| sky123 | ;) | 07:54 |
| bimberi | :) | 07:54 |
| sky123 | also...what does it use as dbase backend? mysql | 07:54 |
| sky123 | ?? | 07:54 |
| sky123 | or postgres or?? | 07:54 |
| sky123 | and is zope installed by default for conent management?? | 07:55 |
| sky123 | content that is... | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing no to the zope question | 07:55 |
| sky123 | okay...by the way i hit schoolbell on 7180..which installed as well...but that is schooltool right?? | 07:56 |
| bimberi | same here | 07:56 |
| bimberi | (guessing no to zope) | 07:57 |
| sky123 | and uhmm...newb here...what is the default login and pass for management..or is that only done from localhost?? | 07:57 |
| sky123 | ie...remote clients may NOT administer the box... for schooltool...?? | 07:58 |
| bimberi | sky123: see if there's anyone in #schooltool perhaps :) | 07:58 |
| sky123 | lol...good enough :) | 07:58 |
| sky123 | will do | 07:58 |
| bimberi | btw yes, schoolbell is part of the schooltool project | 07:58 |
| sky123 | is there is a list of default packages installed with edubuntu or is a dpkg --list my best option? | 07:59 |
| sky123 | cool | 07:59 |
| sky123 | bimberi,Laserjock thanks for the help thus far | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | dpkg -l is the best to see what you've got | 07:59 |
| sky123 | will do. | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | usually in conjunction with | grep | 08:00 |
| sky123 | but of course :) | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | sky123: so have you been able to get into schooltool? | 08:03 |
| sky123 | not yet... | 08:03 |
| sky123 | i can access the page..and the official schooltool getting started didnt have any docs in it.. | 08:03 |
| sky123 | yet to be added it says | 08:03 |
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| bimberi | sky123: how about http://localhost:7080 ? | 08:05 |
| sky123 | oh...lemme try that | 08:06 |
| sky123 | same result...takes me to calendar...and has same login button at top | 08:07 |
| bimberi | hm | 08:09 |
| sky123 | fyi: SchoolTool uses an object database, the Zope Object Database (ZODB) to be precise. It is not a relational database. There are no tables and no object-relational mapping, just persistent objects. Instead of looking at database tables, Zope developers look for interface.py modules to grok an application's data structure. | 08:10 |
| sky123 | bimberi: looks like it uses zope...from their faqs | 08:10 |
| bimberi | sky123: yes, zope3 iirc | 08:11 |
| sky123 | bimberi: manager,schooltool......lol....worked! | 08:17 |
| bimberi | sky123: did you guess that? | 08:17 |
| sky123 | I wish I could take credit for miracles like George Bush...but I googled it... | 08:18 |
| sky123 | and saw it on the cando website.. | 08:18 |
| bimberi | lol, i was going to say 'you cracker you' :P | 08:19 |
| sky123 | which is addon to schooltool for managing assessment | 08:19 |
| sky123 | lol | 08:19 |
| sky123 | google...gotta love it. :) | 08:19 |
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| sky123 | alright guys...will be reading up on schooltool...thnx thusfar | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | RichEd: there are days I am glad I am a Canadian and don't generally need a Visa to go anywhere | 08:25 |
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| cbx33 | Guten Morgen Alles | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | hola amigo ;-) | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, !!!! | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | dude how are you | 11:26 |
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| highvoltage | BOO! | 12:25 |
| highvoltage | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/604 | 12:47 |
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| jsgotangco | Hey! | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | howdy, mr tango | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | hey jsgotangco :) | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | Lol | 02:08 |
| jsgotangco | It seems our RC is our gold with very little changes to the build now | 02:09 |
| === highvoltage does Mr burns thing... "Excellent" | ||
| ogra | well, apart from the udev bug highvoltage had and apart from the session choose bug i have no info on yet ... | 02:14 |
| ogra | b8ut its to late for uploads anyway ... | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | Jeez dapper looks old | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | And slow | 02:14 |
| ogra | heh | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | Really! | 02:15 |
| ogra | well, we'll roll the final isos in some hours | 02:15 |
| ogra | and then have a nice week of tests ... | 02:15 |
| highvoltage | I won't be able to do testing again until I'm home, which is also in a few hours. *sigh* | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | Do you remember before a year ago when final isos are rolled out and everyone is online | 02:16 |
| highvoltage | ogra: and if the udev thing can be fixed, do you think that would be allowed? | 02:16 |
| ogra | only if its a small chane | 02:16 |
| ogra | *change | 02:16 |
| highvoltage | ok | 02:16 |
| ogra | but i suspect its a kernel bug or something ... it sliekly to be bigger | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | Man my thumbs are sore now chatting on a phone | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: who is christina armstrong? | 02:19 |
| ogra | marketing | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | Ahhh | 02:19 |
| ogra | did she write something exciting i didnt read yet ? | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | EOL of | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | 5.04 | 02:21 |
| ogra | ah | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | *sniff* | 02:22 |
| ogra | yeah, there goes hoary | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | I think hoary was my first real tangible contribution to ubuntu | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | I still use rhythmbox | 02:31 |
| jsgotangco | Oopppss | 02:31 |
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| jsgotangco | highvoltage: can you email me your snail mail addy? I want to send something to you | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: you too ;) | 02:42 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: sure | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | ! | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: nothing illegal, I hope? | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | ;) | 02:47 |
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| gsuveg | re | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: probably | 02:49 |
| gsuveg | anyone can show picture from Mario ani ? | 02:49 |
| gsuveg | pleeease | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 02:49 |
| highvoltage | gsuveg: that's pygi :) | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | i dont even know how he looks like | 02:50 |
| gsuveg | yes. but he is offline now | 02:51 |
| gsuveg | http://ubuntu.hu/konf/?q=program/edubuntu < im edit the flyer | 02:51 |
| highvoltage | I think there might be a hacekrgotchi somewhere | 02:51 |
| jsgotangco | its only a few months ago i discovered how prolific pygi is | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | UbuntuWorld 2007? | 02:57 |
| === highvoltage thinks it would be cool, despite a college student thinking that it isn't | ||
| jsgotangco | sure but pity us on the other side of the planet heh | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | jsgotangco: so true! | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | I want it in europe! | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | no! | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | the *way other* side of the planet | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | errr firefox now has the logo??? | 03:05 |
| highvoltage | on Ubuntu? wow. | 03:06 |
| highvoltage | I've always manually changed my one to have the logo :) | 03:06 |
| lucasvo | nice | 03:08 |
| highvoltage | for example... | 03:08 |
| highvoltage | http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/25MAR05 | 03:08 |
| lucasvo | this stupid debian fork is the dumbest Idea I've ever head | 03:08 |
| lucasvo | ts/I/they/g | 03:08 |
| highvoltage | or http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/23_OCT_2006 | 03:08 |
| lucasvo | :P | 03:08 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: it's unfortunately just the way it has to be :-/ | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: well i just updated firefox and i get the firefox logo on the panel | 03:09 |
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| highvoltage | lucasvo: if mozilla wants their logo in Debian, they'll have to change the licensing a bit | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | lucasvo: well mozilla is pretty adamant about stuff as well to the point of being unreasonable | 03:09 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: ok, cool. I think it's good that ubuntu does that | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | lucasvo: i actually met asa dotzler before and we argued about it | 03:09 |
| lucasvo | well, both are dumb. | 03:10 |
| lucasvo | debian for forking it and mozilla for their licensing | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: i wont be surprised if its temporary | 03:10 |
| cbx33 | afternoon all | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | but at the moment /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png is the firefox logo | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | ogra, just read your mail..... | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | sorry for being so monumentally stupid | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 03:11 |
| ogra | ?? | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | I was thinking way outside the box on that one | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 03:11 |
| ogra | oh, the SCP mail you mean | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | yes | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | hey cbx33 | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | I feel.....well...stupid ;) | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | hiya highvoltage | 03:12 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I'll see if I can get on with that soon | 03:12 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: I think it might be intentional, see edgy-changes | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | ahh i see it | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: hopefully, sabdfl doesn't see this http://world.honda.com/news/2006/c061017HondaJetNBAA/ | 03:20 |
| lucasvo | jsgotangco: why? | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: he might buy one. or ten. | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | :) | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | and replace his bombardier | 03:23 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: an Ubuntu Summit shuttle service? | 03:23 |
| lucasvo | :P | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | sure its been used like that before | 03:24 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: if you're sending me one of those, it won't fit in my postbox :( | 03:24 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, whats wrong with bombardiaer ? | 03:24 |
| ogra | *bombardier | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | well nothing wrong really with having your own aircraft, but this one is cheap for $3.65M | 03:24 |
| ogra | well ... fsvo cheap | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:25 |
| ogra | (i could buy a football field of porsches for that :) ) | 03:25 |
| highvoltage | 'cheap' is always relative :) | 03:26 |
| cbx33 | indeed as is expensive | 03:27 |
| lucasvo | private jet & opensource is kinda strange together... | 03:27 |
| ogra | why ? it proves the model works ;) | 03:28 |
| highvoltage | I think I'll buy one one day just because lucasvo said that :) | 03:28 |
| === lucasvo would also buy one | ||
| === highvoltage is of course too chicken to actually fly in one of those small planes | ||
| lucasvo | but I woulnd't use it where normal frlights are available | 03:29 |
| lucasvo | why burn 1000 times as much fuel as needed? | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | good queston, let's ask the man who owns one | 03:30 |
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| lucasvo | jsgotangco: I will | 03:33 |
| === lucasvo just hope's he won't get banned forever from #ubuntu | ||
| lucasvo | :) | 03:33 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:49 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 04:02 |
| bddebian | Hello sbalneav | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 04:08 |
| sbalneav | Hey bddebian | 04:12 |
| bddebian | Heya jsgotangco | 04:14 |
| sbalneav | be back in a bit, have to reboot my box | 04:23 |
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| gsuveg | re | 04:27 |
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| tideline | afternoon all | 05:12 |
| highvoltage | good afternoon, tideline | 05:12 |
| highvoltage | isn't it very late in the evening / early in the morning your side of the world? | 05:12 |
| tideline | highvoltage, me - no its 11:13 am | 05:13 |
| tideline | im in EST USA | 05:13 |
| tideline | been here at work for 3 hours now | 05:13 |
| highvoltage | ah | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | heh exact opposite here, its 11:13 pm | 05:13 |
| === highvoltage has been confusing time zones again | ||
| highvoltage | 17:13 here :) | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | i live in the future | 05:14 |
| tideline | or i live in the past | 05:14 |
| tideline | not very zen of me is it | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | well how does this sound | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | i live in the future | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | but i depend on the work of people in the past | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | ;) | 05:15 |
| tideline | heh | 05:15 |
| tideline | jsgotangco, where are you Aus or something? | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | i'm in Manila | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | Sydney would be around 1am already | 05:16 |
| Yagisan | its 1:16am | 05:16 |
| Yagisan | ;) | 05:16 |
| tideline | isn't it bed time ;-) | 05:16 |
| Yagisan | indeed - but the kids don't believe me | 05:16 |
| tideline | funny mine never believe me either | 05:17 |
| Yagisan | tideline, mine are 2 and a half, and 11 months. yours ? | 05:18 |
| tideline | Yagisan, 6 years and 3 years | 05:18 |
| tideline | the 6 year old is why I sterted looking at edubuntu | 05:19 |
| Yagisan | heh. I've gotten my 2 year interested in it | 05:19 |
| Yagisan | your 6 year will very likely have no trouble with it (and probably start teaching you how to use it soon ;) ) | 05:20 |
| tideline | He goes to a private school which is getting new computers this year - Iam actually going to pitch a edubuntu solution to them tomorrow morning | 05:20 |
| tideline | he already does | 05:20 |
| tideline | I actually had to take his laptop away from him for a litle while, he was on there all the time | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | my 4 1/2 uses gcompris all the time | 05:22 |
| tideline | has anyone used kid pix... its not OS but they just bought it at his school and I want to tell them that XX is just as good and free | 05:22 |
| tideline | http://www.learningcompany.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1194&mainPID=1194&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C87&iProductID=1194 | 05:24 |
| tideline | looks like tux paint but a little more polished | 05:24 |
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| juliux | ogra, ping | 06:30 |
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| lucasvo | does edgy have the swap server? | 07:12 |
| ogra | yep | 07:12 |
| ogra | not the one we wanted though, but it has a swapserver | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | what does that mean exactly? | 07:12 |
| lucasvo | ogra: why are there two different swapservers? | 07:15 |
| lucasvo | what's the diference? | 07:15 |
| ogra | fully-automatic-swapserver defines that everything we want is directly included in nbd-server | 07:16 |
| ogra | the current solution is a wrapper script that does the same but isnt integrated | 07:16 |
| lucasvo | ogra: because of lack of time? | 07:17 |
| ogra | so f-a-s is still not properly integrated ... and will only be if we turned the script into C code and applied it to nbd-server | 07:17 |
| lucasvo | will it be different in fiesty fawn? | 07:17 |
| lucasvo | :) | 07:17 |
| ogra | i'*ve put it on the discussion agenda | 07:17 |
| lucasvo | ogra: you don't like C? | 07:17 |
| ogra | nah | 07:17 |
| === lucasvo neither | ||
| ogra | too many security rissk | 07:18 |
| === lucasvo is already looking forward for the new features in fiesty | ||
| lucasvo | I am so damn annoyed that I missed the deadline for MV. :( | 07:19 |
| sbalneav | DON'T LIKE C?!?!?! | 07:20 |
| === sbalneav faints dead away. | ||
| lucasvo | sbalneav: well, if you like C, why don't YOU do it!? | 07:20 |
| lucasvo | ;) | 07:20 |
| === LaserJock splashes some water on sbalneav | ||
| sbalneav | Sure, what is it I'm doing? | 07:21 |
| === sbalneav reads back | ||
| sbalneav | Oh, sure, I could do that. | 07:21 |
| lucasvo | sbalneav: nice! | 07:21 |
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| highvoltage | good evening mr sbalneav | 07:32 |
| sbalneav | hey highvoltage | 07:33 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: how's LTSP 5 coming along? | 07:33 |
| ogra | highvoltage, as far as you see it on your testinstall :P | 07:33 |
| ogra | we're just writing specs :) | 07:34 |
| highvoltage | cool :) | 07:34 |
| sbalneav | It's coming swimingly. | 07:34 |
| ogra | https://features.launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs has already a handfull | 07:34 |
| === ogra proposes highvoltages fat-clients spec for uds | ||
| highvoltage | :-D | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 07:35 |
| sbalneav | There's a nice 3-level heirarchy there. | 07:36 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I don't think the diskless fat client work will be so much work, I've got it working already, I just need to get the code into a ltsp bzr branch (which I still need to figure out how to do) | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I'm wondering now if I shouldn't have marked edubuntu-dynamic-menus as "implemented" | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | Fat: Full client, just no harddrive | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | the only tricky part is the authentication, but ldap support is going to be in feisty, so that makes it easy :) | 07:37 |
| ogra | LaserJock, its there, isnt it ? make a followup spec | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | Localapps: Mainly thin, but an app or two farmed out to the client. | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: correct | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | Thin: Everything on the server. | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | Perfect. | 07:37 |
| ogra | LaserJock, like we did for SCP | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | ogra: well, I marked it as implemented, but it's more like "Beta Available" | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: at some stage I had that on a terminology page so that we all know what we're tlaking about, perhaps that can go into the ltsp docs this time :) | 07:37 |
| ogra | highvoltage, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server | 07:38 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: btw, is it available somewhere? I'd love to go through it. | 07:38 |
| highvoltage | ogra: heh, I downloaded those ldap scripts this afternoon :) | 07:38 |
| ogra | LaserJock, if it needs re-considering just make a new spec | 07:38 |
| === highvoltage hopes it gets in :) | ||
| ogra | highvoltage, i'll fight for it ... regardless where the network auth stuff for ubuntu goes | 07:39 |
| ogra | i'm tired of waiting | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | ogra: do you know whether MV will have teamspeak or other voip things again? | 07:39 |
| ogra | yep, it will | 07:39 |
| ogra | but i hope with a speaker/mic on the table this time | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | ogra: well, I think it certainly need more discussion to get a really good and usable menu system. I'll whip up something | 07:39 |
| ogra | LaserJock++ | 07:40 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: No, not yet. I need to sit down for a day and a half, and do some doco on what LTSP5's all about. | 07:41 |
| nixternal | howdy everyone! | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | ogra: although I think maybe more interesting and farther reaching would be making a general group driven framework | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | hey nixternal | 07:41 |
| === nixternal will be doing some handbook work today, to get everything to re-validate | ||
| ogra | LaserJock, yeah, and integrate it with the smbldap ;) | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | talking about documentation... | 07:42 |
| highvoltage | did you guys see that indonesian edubuntu cookbook? | 07:42 |
| highvoltage | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/604 | 07:42 |
| nixternal | i haven't | 07:42 |
| ogra | lets rather talk about tesing ;) there is a new iso on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/ ;) | 07:42 |
| ogra | might be the pre-last one who knows :) | 07:43 |
| highvoltage | oh wow | 07:43 |
| ogra | (last one will add additional langpacks) | 07:43 |
| nixternal | that is rather disturbing to me | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | ogra: do you know how the tasks are done. How are packages added to the edubuntu-{desktop,live} tasks? | 07:43 |
| nixternal | to be part of the community, and go for a deal elsewhere before actually helping out with something the community is trying to do right now | 07:44 |
| ogra | LaserJock, no, i only know how they are handled in the metapackages, but its easy to find out ... | 07:44 |
| BonBonTheJon | !pastebin > bonbonthejon | 07:45 |
| highvoltage | wow, the edubuntu cd is relatively small :) | 07:45 |
| ogra | yep, some space for langpacks | 07:46 |
| BonBonTheJon | can someone look over my Concepts: Networks and Networking, I think I am almost done | 07:46 |
| BonBonTheJon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27987/ | 07:47 |
| === highvoltage has trouble with rsync again | ||
| highvoltage | my rsync command is rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20061023/edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | and it says "@ERROR: Unknown module 'edubuntu' | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | is there something wrong with my rsync command? | 07:49 |
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| BonBonTheJon | highvoltage: at the end you have the iso twice | 07:49 |
| cbx33 | Guten Abends | 07:49 |
| BonBonTheJon | Guten Tag | 07:49 |
| ogra | highvoltage, its rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/ | 07:49 |
| highvoltage | BonBonTheJon: I'm sure it worked like that before. I tried it with one iso and it didn't work either | 07:49 |
| ogra | also use -az ;) it compresses the network traffic | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | ogra, basically we're looking at a total rewrite | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | for SCP right> | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | ? | 07:50 |
| ogra | not really | 07:50 |
| ogra | just split whats there into front and backend | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | just shifting stuff around.... | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | ogra: great! that works :) | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | yeh I suppose | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | it's gonna be so cool once it's done | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | did you get a chance o see the spec? | 07:51 |
| ogra | it will only be *some* glue coding, most can be copy and paste | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: is your rsync tool in universe yet? | 07:51 |
| ogra | not yet, did you propose it for uds already ? | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | yes I did | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | yesterday | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | as I knew it was the deadline | 07:51 |
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| ogra | cbx33, LP url ? | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, not yet | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I'll just get it | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | ogra, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-upgrade | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage, I'm hoping o get it in for feisty | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | or fiesty | 07:52 |
| highvoltage | great | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | whichever.. | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | it works....just needs a little updating as the iso names have changed I believe | 07:53 |
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| ogra | cbx33, ok, i subscribed as essential subscriber, lets see how it raises its priority | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | ogra, it probably needs other fields filled it | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | s/it/in | 07:53 |
| ogra | (specs of atendees are more likely to be accepted) | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | I didn't fill in the drafter or stuff | 07:53 |
| cbx33 | whois the drafter? | 07:53 |
| ogra | thats fine | 07:53 |
| sbalneav | I have a bug for rsyncer.sh | 07:54 |
| ogra | sbalneav, i didnt maintain it a while :) | 07:54 |
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| ogra | whats the bug ? | 07:54 |
| sbalneav | needs to support --flavour | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | ogra, dude that thing needs to go into universe | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | :) | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | then it could be a dep of grasynco | 07:55 |
| sbalneav | For those of us who spell with the Queen's English :) | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | sbalneav, hahaha | 07:55 |
| ogra | i thought you integrated it into the grasynco package | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | yeh....but seeing as you still make changes to it ;) | 07:55 |
| ogra | sbalneav, aww, right ... i'll fix that what flavors do you like ? lemon and ginger i guess if its the quees english :) | 07:56 |
| ogra | *queens | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | hmmm | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | oin$ ~/rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --create ubuntu --flavor live | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | touching file ./ubuntu/edgy-live-i386.iso | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | receiving file list ... | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | rsync: link_stat "/daily-live/current/edgy-live-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | 0 files to consider | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | sent 4 bytes received 17 bytes 8.40 bytes/sec | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1298) [receiver=2.6.8] | 07:56 |
| ogra | there are no ubuntu isos named "live" anymore, right | 07:56 |
| ogra | its desktop :) | 07:56 |
| sbalneav | ah | 07:57 |
| BonBonTheJon | ogra: they all are live | 07:57 |
| ogra | thats hardcoded in the script iirc | 07:57 |
| BonBonTheJon | liv cds | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | yup it is ogra | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | and they differ beween edubuntu to ubuntu | 07:57 |
| ogra | for desktop we'll have it easier in the future :) | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 07:57 |
| ogra | our live iso will also be called desktop | 07:57 |
| sbalneav | rsync: link_stat "/daily/current/edgy-desktop-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | hmm...gnome is slow on this lappy | 07:57 |
| ogra | and install will be renamed "server" | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | think xfce would be quicker? | 07:57 |
| Dheeraj_k | ubuntu>kubuntu>edubuntu = full of bug | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | I <3 awk, but sed hates me :/ | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | there seems o be live missing | 07:58 |
| BonBonTheJon | any one have a minute to review a handbook page | 07:58 |
| ogra | yeah, for live its daily-live/ | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | and the iso is called live | 07:58 |
| ogra | for install/alternate its daily/ | 07:58 |
| ogra | cbx33, not the ubuntu one | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | oh Ithought he was doing edubuntu | 07:59 |
| ogra | ~/rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --create ubuntu --flavor live was his command :) | 07:59 |
| ogra | i'll throw rsyncer in bzr afetr release, then people can take it and do want they liek with it :) | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | just don't make and silly icon restrictions ;-) | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | or we'll have to call it freersyncer | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | xfce runs gnome apps right? | 08:01 |
| BonBonTheJon | cbx33: yeah | 08:01 |
| highvoltage | syncweasel | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | anything will run gnome apps | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: excellent | 08:01 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: yes, the same way it runs kde apps | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: it runs gtk apps more precisely | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | ah cool | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, *bah* you knew what I meant | 08:02 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: xubuntu install gtk apps only, so if you want to run gnome or kde apps you just need the libs for them installed | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | ok...how do install xfce | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | apt-get install xfce4 | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | apt-get install xfce-desktop | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | ahh ok | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | well, there are other things you can get too but xfce4 will get you the basics | 08:03 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: xubuntu-desktop will get you a better collection of packages, imho | 08:04 |
| highvoltage | but if you just want a very basic xfce installation, then yes, xfce-desktop | 08:04 |
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| cbx33 | ok doing | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | how will that affect edubutnu-dexktop | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | do I get a switcher at gdm login? | 08:07 |
| highvoltage | you can choose it at the session chooser | 08:11 |
| highvoltage | (in gdm) | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: by the way, the Edubuntu artwork is looking very nice | 08:12 |
| BonBonTheJon | who should I mail an entry for the handbook to | 08:12 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, ty | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: I can actually use it for every day use without killing my eyes | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 08:12 |
| cbx33 | ....I'll pass that onto lisa | 08:12 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: yes, please pass on to lisa, it's way, way, way better than the artork in the previous version | 08:14 |
| cbx33 | :) | 08:14 |
| ogra | LaserJock, i had many complaints about it being to saturated ... :) but i like it as well as it is :) | 08:14 |
| cbx33 | and hopefully next release will be even better | 08:15 |
| ogra | ++ | 08:15 |
| cbx33 | Lisa is looking forward to actually getting a team together this release | 08:15 |
| cbx33 | as it'll hopefully be a 6 monther we'll have alot more time | 08:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra, has the deadline for specs passed now? | 08:16 |
| ogra | i think its today, yes | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | that' cool | 08:17 |
| ogra | i have my specs in so far | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | at least I got the most essential one in | 08:17 |
| ogra | i'll try to take care for the SCP one | 08:17 |
| ogra | as a mentor in MV | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | thank you ogra | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | what deadline? | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | there was a deadline? | 08:17 |
| ogra | the spec submission deadline mdz set ... | 08:18 |
| ogra | yes, today afaik | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | grrr | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | why do I always miss these announcements | 08:18 |
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| LaserJock | how in the world are we supposed to add Edubuntu specs after Edgy is released if the deadline is today? | 08:19 |
| ogra | because you are not subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce ? | 08:19 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: Too busy shooting lasers at things? :) | 08:19 |
| cbx33 | bbiab | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: laser? what's that? research? what research? :-) | 08:25 |
| sbalneav | You know, that thing you do when you're not working on Edubuntu? :) | 08:26 |
| sbalneav | Yeehaw! Just tested my sbalneav@edubuntu.org email and it works! | 08:27 |
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| tideline | BonBonTheJon, do you still need someone to look at that networks stuff? | 08:32 |
| BonBonTheJon | tideline: no, my friend looked at it, I have some changes to make, I might need you later :) | 08:32 |
| tideline | ok just let me know | 08:32 |
| BonBonTheJon | thanks | 08:32 |
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| sky123_ | good afternoon guys | 09:28 |
| stelis | Afternoon | 09:29 |
| stelis | Were you achandra yesterday? | 09:31 |
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| sky123_ | yep | 09:35 |
| sky123_ | this is the other handle :) | 09:35 |
| sky123_ | at work | 09:35 |
| sky123_ | sky123---also known as----achandra | 09:35 |
| stelis | :). Did you figure out your NIC problem? | 09:36 |
| sky123_ | I tried to post up on the schooltool page....but couldnt find too much about the "grading" module...i think its in alpha...but im super interested in that | 09:36 |
| sky123_ | OHH....yeah....good old F12 on the Sony brought up netboot and BAM it worked like a charm | 09:37 |
| stelis | I still don't like Sony, but at least it works :) | 09:37 |
| stelis | WRT Schooltool, you could try asking on #ubuntu-education | 09:38 |
| stelis | Or the Education mailing list | 09:38 |
| sky123_ | ahh...yeah...highvoltage did mention that | 09:38 |
| sky123_ | how do I get on it again...ie..place to sign up?? | 09:39 |
| stelis | lists.ubuntu.com | 09:39 |
| stelis | That's the main page for all the mailing lists | 09:39 |
| sky123_ | nice thnx | 09:41 |
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| highvoltage | goodnight everyone! | 09:53 |
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| stelis | Goodnight | 09:53 |
| highvoltage | night stelis! | 09:53 |
| tideline | night highvoltage | 09:57 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all, be on later. | 11:16 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: I added https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-menus-completion | 11:54 |
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| JSWAU | Anyone know how to uninstall games like solitare, and the like in edubuntu? | 12:01 |
| Burgwork | JSWAU: get rid of the gnome-games package | 12:01 |
| nixternal | hey, <title></title> for the Edubuntu - Firefox start page needs to be fixed to say -> <title>Welcome to Edubuntu 6.10! - Firefox</title> | 12:02 |
| JSWAU | It won't let me. It gives me some error. | 12:02 |
| nixternal | ogra: ^^ concerning the <title> for the ff start page in edubuntu | 12:03 |
| Burgwork | JSWAU: what error? | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: probably wants to remove edubuntu-desktop | 12:04 |
| JSWAU | Ahh... | 12:04 |
| Burgwork | JSWAU: you can remove that, but remember to readd it back in when you upgrade | 12:04 |
| Burgwork | that issue is solved for edgy | 12:04 |
| JSWAU | What does removing that do? | 12:05 |
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| Burgwork | e-desktop is a meta package that contains nothing | 12:05 |
| Burgwork | merely deps on the needed packages | 12:05 |
| JSWAU | Oh. | 12:05 |
| JSWAU | So, I can remove it, and then Gnome-Games. Without effecting the Educational Games that are installed? | 12:06 |
| Burgwork | yes | 12:06 |
| JSWAU | Cool, Thanks. :-) | 12:07 |
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