[12:16] chovynz: reload synaptic in order to check for updates === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] chovynz: what happened? [12:23] it has a list of upgradeable installed apps. but it does say 88mgs need to be downloaded. [12:24] i read on the apt-proxy page that we need to point the deb http lines to deb //var/... maybe this would help? [12:24] ^ deb line in sources.list [12:25] chovynz: the 88 megs is because you were missing some repositories [12:25] ...which are already on my other HD, which brings me back to my original question.....how do i make a harddrive a repository source [12:26] chovynz: did you set up apt-proxy [12:26] no. i've been following the command lines. I'm gonna try apt next [12:34] Q. how do i search for all files of *.deb in File manager? [12:34] nautilus [12:34] does nautilus do that? [12:35] like system-wide searches? [12:35] its supposed to i thought [12:35] yeah [12:35] the search function doesn't seem to work like it looks like it should [12:36] Places > Search searches your personal data [12:36] Emails etc. [12:36] Rather than all of the system [12:36] ok....even when you select file system? === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu [12:37] chovynz: I know how using the command line [12:37] :D how? [12:38] chovynz: 'cp -v -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives' [12:41] "y enter y enter y enter y enter y enter ..." :D [12:41] chovynz: then do control-c [12:41] and take out the -i [12:42] its ok. its already done [12:52] BonBonTheJon: ok heres another question for you....what would the uri for my secondary HD be? how would i find this out? [12:54] file:// plus the device name === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [12:54] e.g. file:///dev/hda1 [12:55] Three slashes because of the leading slash in the device names [12:55] "/" = root? [12:56] Yes [12:56] Devices are files [12:56] In /dev [12:56] Drives are then mounted to access [12:57] The contents of the devices appear under /media by default [12:57] chovynz: what do you need the URI for [12:57] So the contents of /dev/cdrom would appear in /media/cdrom [12:58] stelis: thats true [12:59] BonBonTheJon: i need that address which is where the local repository for my entire upgraded old system is [12:59] I wasn't sure how much you knew already :) [12:59] stelis: good for checking [12:59] chovynz: is this for apt-proxy [01:00] still SPM...haven't figured out apt yet..i've been following the tutorial, but there are steps in there that i dont need [01:01] what i do need is for sources.list to point to my mounted HD. I don't know the syntax for the SPM / apt channel [01:02] then when i run SPM it will see the updated old apps, see the recent "old" files, think of my old upgraded system as a channel and overwrite my new ones. [01:03] which is what i want :D [01:05] is there a crying emote in here? [01:05] :'( [01:05] I guess [01:05] that'll do :) :'( [01:06] i might as well have DL them all again [01:06] chovynz: don't give up [01:06] for the time its taken me this far [01:06] heres the file error message i get [01:07] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27893/ [01:09] chovynz: can you pastebin you sources.list === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] ok [01:11] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27895/ [01:13] chovynz: are you using breezy or dapper [01:13] dapper [01:14] ah [01:14] i used badger didnt i [01:14] chovynz: did you run through the apt-proxy tutorial [01:15] i didnt completly. I thought it wasn't what i needed. I'll take another look [01:18] chovynz: did you copy all the .deb files to a folder on the new drive [01:18] chovynz: you can install all of them, I guess [01:19] all these tutorials and documentations are talking about http internet and networked computers. They aren't talking about a local HD on the same machine - this is the syntax i need for SPM to recognise where to find the undated files. [01:19] BonBonTheJon: i dont even know how to find all .deb files yet [01:20] chovynz: did you copy all the files [01:20] i c&p what you told me to [01:20] chovynz: I have an idea, open up the console and follow with me [01:20] the cp -i - v bit [01:20] console? [01:20] terminal or naut? [01:21] terminal [01:21] done [01:21] chovynz: ok, change into the directory with all the .deb 'ch /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives' [01:22] 'cd /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives' [01:22] BonBonTheJon: k [01:22] chovynz: now we will install all of them 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' [01:24] chovynz: it should take a long time, it is installing all of the files [01:24] yes :D [01:24] o.O i just thought....why are we installing all of the files? [01:25] chovynz: it will have the updated files [01:25] BonBonTheJon: im seeing packages in there that i unchecked [01:25] chovynz: like...? [01:26] like most things to do with kde [01:27] chovynz: well, they will show up in synaptic, so you can remove them [01:27] BonBonTheJon: lol. ok if it works i guess [01:27] chovynz: better to get too much and remove the extra, than download it all over again [01:28] chovynz: dinner time, I'll be back later [01:28] ok thnx === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu [01:55] chovynz: update? [01:55] command line is done [01:55] chovynz: refresh synaptic and see if there are any updates [01:56] it says the same thing. and its still downloading from the internet [01:56] i said yes this time [01:57] chovynz: hmm, I don't knwo [01:58] o.O i need to restart [01:58] ill bbs === pygi [n=mario@83-131-18-206.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === chovynz [n=nathan@60.234.175.32] has joined #edubuntu [02:08] BonBonTheJon: it all seems to be updated. I dont know when it did, and i dont know how...but it is [02:08] chovynz: thats the important thing [02:08] there seems to be some gaps though - openoffice updates for instance [02:09] chovynz: you can add the openoffice repository [02:09] ah well...Thanks muchly for helping me [02:10] I do appreciate it [02:10] chovynz: glad to be of service [02:10] was it a mission? [02:11] huh? [02:14] I guess if i need any more help with EDU ill come back here :) [02:14] chovynz: of course [02:15] thanx all [02:15] Thanks BonBonTheJon [02:15] ~ [02:15] chovynz: no problem === chovynz [n=nathan@60.234.175.32] has left #edubuntu [] === chovynz [n=nathan@60.234.175.32] has joined #edubuntu [02:22] Q. what was the other apps other than WINE? [02:22] vmware and qvm or something [02:22] vmware or qemu [02:23] qemu. thnx thats what i was looking for === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.103] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.42] has left #edubuntu [] === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@69.61.203.3] has joined #edubuntu [04:37] qemu up and running [04:37] oh yeah, so is windows [04:37] chovynz: cool === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === chovynz [n=nathan@60.234.175.32] has left #edubuntu [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === sky123 [n=skys123@static-71-103-255-118.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:37] thanxsa earlier with help on PXE....got it working !!! :) [05:37] lucasvo:thnx [05:37] highvoltage:thnx === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.103] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.103] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.48.78.2] has joined #edubuntu [06:14] greetings [06:14] hi === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === MrMoo [n=steve-o@202.64.41.219] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.221.158.13] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt is away: === jack_wyt is away: === jack_wyt is away: === jack_wyt [n=Jack@221.216.191.103] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=dave@144.139.225.84] has joined #edubuntu === sky123 [n=student@static-71-103-255-118.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:47] whoo hoo! xchat working with edubuntu thin client!!! [07:47] nice! [07:48] cool [07:48] :) [07:48] Hi guys can someone help me understand whether schooltool is installed by default on the server end??? [07:48] and how do i access it via the web? [07:52] hmm, I think it's installed on a server install [07:53] yes, edubuntu-server depends on it [07:53] right...i saw it synaptic...but i guess my question was a litttle vague...how do i access it?? [07:53] cool [07:53] sky123: try http://localhost:7180 [07:53] (a guess) [07:53] cool will do [07:54] ill netstat -ln it if necessary [07:54] ;) [07:54] :) [07:54] also...what does it use as dbase backend? mysql [07:54] ?? [07:54] or postgres or?? [07:55] and is zope installed by default for conent management?? [07:55] content that is... [07:55] I'm guessing no to the zope question [07:56] okay...by the way i hit schoolbell on 7180..which installed as well...but that is schooltool right?? [07:56] same here [07:57] (guessing no to zope) [07:57] and uhmm...newb here...what is the default login and pass for management..or is that only done from localhost?? [07:58] ie...remote clients may NOT administer the box... for schooltool...?? [07:58] sky123: see if there's anyone in #schooltool perhaps :) [07:58] lol...good enough :) [07:58] will do [07:58] btw yes, schoolbell is part of the schooltool project [07:59] is there is a list of default packages installed with edubuntu or is a dpkg --list my best option? [07:59] cool [07:59] bimberi,Laserjock thanks for the help thus far [07:59] dpkg -l is the best to see what you've got [07:59] will do. [08:00] usually in conjunction with | grep [08:02] but of course :) [08:03] sky123: so have you been able to get into schooltool? [08:03] not yet... [08:03] i can access the page..and the official schooltool getting started didnt have any docs in it.. [08:03] yet to be added it says === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [08:05] sky123: how about http://localhost:7080 ? [08:06] oh...lemme try that [08:07] same result...takes me to calendar...and has same login button at top [08:09] hm [08:10] fyi: SchoolTool uses an object database, the Zope Object Database (ZODB) to be precise. It is not a relational database. There are no tables and no object-relational mapping, just persistent objects. Instead of looking at database tables, Zope developers look for interface.py modules to grok an application's data structure. [08:10] bimberi: looks like it uses zope...from their faqs [08:11] sky123: yes, zope3 iirc [08:17] bimberi: manager,schooltool......lol....worked! [08:17] sky123: did you guess that? [08:18] I wish I could take credit for miracles like George Bush...but I googled it... [08:18] and saw it on the cando website.. [08:19] lol, i was going to say 'you cracker you' :P [08:19] which is addon to schooltool for managing assessment [08:19] lol [08:19] google...gotta love it. :) === RichEd is at US embassy - VISA === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.149.4.35] has joined #edubuntu [08:24] alright guys...will be reading up on schooltool...thnx thusfar [08:25] RichEd: there are days I am glad I am a Canadian and don't generally need a Visa to go anywhere === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-165-124-53.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === keltorsori [n=keltorso@adsl-074-245-072-225.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-22-13.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEE82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === ukubuntu [n=adrian@84-12-152-172.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=pips1@108.181.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [11:25] Guten Morgen Alles [11:26] hola amigo ;-) [11:26] LaserJock, !!!! [11:26] dude how are you === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=Jack@61.149.4.35] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ is now known as jack_wyt === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.149.4.35] has joined #edubuntu [12:25] BOO! [12:47] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/604 === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-165-124-53.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=Jsgmob@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:58] Hey! [02:07] howdy, mr tango [02:07] hey jsgotangco :) [02:08] Lol [02:09] It seems our RC is our gold with very little changes to the build now === highvoltage does Mr burns thing... "Excellent" [02:14] well, apart from the udev bug highvoltage had and apart from the session choose bug i have no info on yet ... [02:14] b8ut its to late for uploads anyway ... [02:14] Jeez dapper looks old [02:14] And slow [02:14] heh [02:15] Really! [02:15] well, we'll roll the final isos in some hours [02:15] and then have a nice week of tests ... [02:16] I won't be able to do testing again until I'm home, which is also in a few hours. *sigh* [02:16] Do you remember before a year ago when final isos are rolled out and everyone is online [02:16] ogra: and if the udev thing can be fixed, do you think that would be allowed? [02:16] only if its a small chane [02:16] *change [02:16] ok [02:17] but i suspect its a kernel bug or something ... it sliekly to be bigger [02:18] Man my thumbs are sore now chatting on a phone [02:19] ogra: who is christina armstrong? [02:19] marketing [02:19] Ahhh [02:20] did she write something exciting i didnt read yet ? [02:21] EOL of [02:21] 5.04 [02:21] ah [02:22] *sniff* [02:23] yeah, there goes hoary [02:23] I think hoary was my first real tangible contribution to ubuntu [02:31] I still use rhythmbox [02:31] Oopppss === tideline [n=tideline@65.98.69.13] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:42] highvoltage: can you email me your snail mail addy? I want to send something to you [02:42] ogra: you too ;) [02:47] jsgotangco: sure [02:47] ! [02:47] jsgotangco: nothing illegal, I hope? [02:47] ;) === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has joined #edubuntu [02:49] re [02:49] hah [02:49] highvoltage: probably [02:49] anyone can show picture from Mario ani ? [02:49] pleeease [02:49] haha [02:50] gsuveg: that's pygi :) [02:50] i dont even know how he looks like [02:51] yes. but he is offline now [02:51] http://ubuntu.hu/konf/?q=program/edubuntu < im edit the flyer [02:51] I think there might be a hacekrgotchi somewhere [02:55] its only a few months ago i discovered how prolific pygi is [02:57] UbuntuWorld 2007? === highvoltage thinks it would be cool, despite a college student thinking that it isn't [03:04] sure but pity us on the other side of the planet heh [03:04] jsgotangco: so true! [03:04] I want it in europe! [03:04] no! [03:04] lol [03:05] the *way other* side of the planet [03:05] errr firefox now has the logo??? [03:06] on Ubuntu? wow. [03:06] I've always manually changed my one to have the logo :) [03:08] nice [03:08] for example... [03:08] http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/25MAR05 [03:08] this stupid debian fork is the dumbest Idea I've ever head [03:08] ts/I/they/g [03:08] or http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/23_OCT_2006 [03:08] :P [03:09] lucasvo: it's unfortunately just the way it has to be :-/ [03:09] highvoltage: well i just updated firefox and i get the firefox logo on the panel === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] lucasvo: if mozilla wants their logo in Debian, they'll have to change the licensing a bit [03:09] lucasvo: well mozilla is pretty adamant about stuff as well to the point of being unreasonable [03:09] jsgotangco: ok, cool. I think it's good that ubuntu does that [03:09] lucasvo: i actually met asa dotzler before and we argued about it [03:10] well, both are dumb. [03:10] debian for forking it and mozilla for their licensing [03:10] highvoltage: i wont be surprised if its temporary [03:10] afternoon all [03:11] but at the moment /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png is the firefox logo [03:11] ogra, just read your mail..... [03:11] sorry for being so monumentally stupid [03:11] ;) [03:11] ?? [03:11] I was thinking way outside the box on that one [03:11] heheh [03:11] oh, the SCP mail you mean [03:11] yes [03:11] heheh [03:11] hey cbx33 [03:11] I feel.....well...stupid ;) [03:12] hiya highvoltage [03:12] ogra, I'll see if I can get on with that soon [03:13] jsgotangco: I think it might be intentional, see edgy-changes [03:15] ahh i see it [03:20] highvoltage: hopefully, sabdfl doesn't see this http://world.honda.com/news/2006/c061017HondaJetNBAA/ [03:23] jsgotangco: why? [03:23] lucasvo: he might buy one. or ten. [03:23] :) [03:23] and replace his bombardier [03:23] highvoltage: an Ubuntu Summit shuttle service? [03:24] :P [03:24] sure its been used like that before [03:24] jsgotangco: if you're sending me one of those, it won't fit in my postbox :( [03:24] jsgotangco, whats wrong with bombardiaer ? [03:24] *bombardier [03:24] well nothing wrong really with having your own aircraft, but this one is cheap for $3.65M [03:25] well ... fsvo cheap [03:25] heh [03:25] (i could buy a football field of porsches for that :) ) [03:26] 'cheap' is always relative :) [03:27] indeed as is expensive [03:27] private jet & opensource is kinda strange together... [03:28] why ? it proves the model works ;) [03:28] I think I'll buy one one day just because lucasvo said that :) === lucasvo would also buy one === highvoltage is of course too chicken to actually fly in one of those small planes [03:29] but I woulnd't use it where normal frlights are available [03:29] why burn 1000 times as much fuel as needed? [03:30] good queston, let's ask the man who owns one === MrMoo [n=steve-o@202.64.41.219] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [03:33] jsgotangco: I will === lucasvo just hope's he won't get banned forever from #ubuntu [03:33] :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:49] Heya === ukubuntu [n=adrian@84-12-152-172.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:02] Morning all [04:06] Hello sbalneav [04:08] hi [04:12] Hey bddebian [04:14] Heya jsgotangco [04:23] be back in a bit, have to reboot my box === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has joined #edubuntu [04:27] re === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has left #edubuntu [] === tideline [n=tideline@208.62.120.116] has joined #edubuntu [05:12] afternoon all [05:12] good afternoon, tideline [05:12] isn't it very late in the evening / early in the morning your side of the world? [05:13] highvoltage, me - no its 11:13 am [05:13] im in EST USA [05:13] been here at work for 3 hours now [05:13] ah [05:13] heh exact opposite here, its 11:13 pm === highvoltage has been confusing time zones again [05:14] 17:13 here :) [05:14] i live in the future [05:14] or i live in the past [05:14] not very zen of me is it [05:14] heh [05:14] well how does this sound [05:14] i live in the future [05:15] but i depend on the work of people in the past [05:15] ;) [05:15] heh [05:15] jsgotangco, where are you Aus or something? [05:16] i'm in Manila [05:16] Sydney would be around 1am already [05:16] its 1:16am [05:16] ;) [05:16] isn't it bed time ;-) [05:16] indeed - but the kids don't believe me [05:17] funny mine never believe me either [05:18] tideline, mine are 2 and a half, and 11 months. yours ? [05:18] Yagisan, 6 years and 3 years [05:19] the 6 year old is why I sterted looking at edubuntu [05:19] heh. I've gotten my 2 year interested in it [05:20] your 6 year will very likely have no trouble with it (and probably start teaching you how to use it soon ;) ) [05:20] He goes to a private school which is getting new computers this year - Iam actually going to pitch a edubuntu solution to them tomorrow morning [05:20] he already does [05:21] I actually had to take his laptop away from him for a litle while, he was on there all the time [05:22] my 4 1/2 uses gcompris all the time [05:22] has anyone used kid pix... its not OS but they just bought it at his school and I want to tell them that XX is just as good and free [05:24] http://www.learningcompany.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1194&mainPID=1194&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C87&iProductID=1194 [05:24] looks like tux paint but a little more polished === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has left #edubuntu [] === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [06:30] ogra, ping === BonBonTheJon [n=jon@69.61.203.3] has joined #edubuntu === giesler [n=rg@196.1.61.15] has joined #edubuntu === giesler [n=rg@196.1.61.15] has left #edubuntu [] === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #edubuntu [07:12] does edgy have the swap server? [07:12] yep [07:12] not the one we wanted though, but it has a swapserver [07:12] what does that mean exactly? [07:15] ogra: why are there two different swapservers? [07:15] what's the diference? [07:16] fully-automatic-swapserver defines that everything we want is directly included in nbd-server [07:16] the current solution is a wrapper script that does the same but isnt integrated [07:17] ogra: because of lack of time? [07:17] so f-a-s is still not properly integrated ... and will only be if we turned the script into C code and applied it to nbd-server [07:17] will it be different in fiesty fawn? [07:17] :) [07:17] i'*ve put it on the discussion agenda [07:17] ogra: you don't like C? [07:17] nah === lucasvo neither [07:18] too many security rissk === lucasvo is already looking forward for the new features in fiesty [07:19] I am so damn annoyed that I missed the deadline for MV. :( [07:20] DON'T LIKE C?!?!?! === sbalneav faints dead away. [07:20] sbalneav: well, if you like C, why don't YOU do it!? [07:20] ;) === LaserJock splashes some water on sbalneav [07:21] Sure, what is it I'm doing? === sbalneav reads back [07:21] Oh, sure, I could do that. [07:21] sbalneav: nice! === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [07:32] good evening mr sbalneav [07:33] hey highvoltage [07:33] sbalneav: how's LTSP 5 coming along? [07:33] highvoltage, as far as you see it on your testinstall :P [07:34] we're just writing specs :) [07:34] cool :) [07:34] It's coming swimingly. [07:34] https://features.launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs has already a handfull === ogra proposes highvoltages fat-clients spec for uds [07:35] :-D [07:35] \o/ [07:36] There's a nice 3-level heirarchy there. [07:36] ogra: I don't think the diskless fat client work will be so much work, I've got it working already, I just need to get the code into a ltsp bzr branch (which I still need to figure out how to do) [07:37] ogra: I'm wondering now if I shouldn't have marked edubuntu-dynamic-menus as "implemented" [07:37] Fat: Full client, just no harddrive [07:37] the only tricky part is the authentication, but ldap support is going to be in feisty, so that makes it easy :) [07:37] LaserJock, its there, isnt it ? make a followup spec [07:37] Localapps: Mainly thin, but an app or two farmed out to the client. [07:37] sbalneav: correct [07:37] Thin: Everything on the server. [07:37] Perfect. [07:37] LaserJock, like we did for SCP [07:37] ogra: well, I marked it as implemented, but it's more like "Beta Available" [07:37] sbalneav: at some stage I had that on a terminology page so that we all know what we're tlaking about, perhaps that can go into the ltsp docs this time :) [07:38] highvoltage, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server [07:38] sbalneav: btw, is it available somewhere? I'd love to go through it. [07:38] ogra: heh, I downloaded those ldap scripts this afternoon :) [07:38] LaserJock, if it needs re-considering just make a new spec === highvoltage hopes it gets in :) [07:39] highvoltage, i'll fight for it ... regardless where the network auth stuff for ubuntu goes [07:39] i'm tired of waiting [07:39] ogra: do you know whether MV will have teamspeak or other voip things again? [07:39] yep, it will [07:39] but i hope with a speaker/mic on the table this time [07:39] ogra: well, I think it certainly need more discussion to get a really good and usable menu system. I'll whip up something [07:40] LaserJock++ [07:41] highvoltage: No, not yet. I need to sit down for a day and a half, and do some doco on what LTSP5's all about. [07:41] howdy everyone! [07:41] ogra: although I think maybe more interesting and farther reaching would be making a general group driven framework [07:41] hey nixternal === nixternal will be doing some handbook work today, to get everything to re-validate [07:41] LaserJock, yeah, and integrate it with the smbldap ;) [07:42] talking about documentation... [07:42] did you guys see that indonesian edubuntu cookbook? [07:42] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/604 [07:42] i haven't [07:42] lets rather talk about tesing ;) there is a new iso on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/ ;) [07:43] might be the pre-last one who knows :) [07:43] oh wow [07:43] (last one will add additional langpacks) [07:43] that is rather disturbing to me [07:43] ogra: do you know how the tasks are done. How are packages added to the edubuntu-{desktop,live} tasks? [07:44] to be part of the community, and go for a deal elsewhere before actually helping out with something the community is trying to do right now [07:44] LaserJock, no, i only know how they are handled in the metapackages, but its easy to find out ... [07:45] !pastebin > bonbonthejon [07:45] wow, the edubuntu cd is relatively small :) [07:46] yep, some space for langpacks [07:46] can someone look over my Concepts: Networks and Networking, I think I am almost done [07:47] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27987/ === highvoltage has trouble with rsync again [07:48] my rsync command is rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20061023/edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso [07:48] and it says "@ERROR: Unknown module 'edubuntu' [07:49] is there something wrong with my rsync command? === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-225-120.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:49] highvoltage: at the end you have the iso twice [07:49] Guten Abends [07:49] Guten Tag [07:49] highvoltage, its rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/ [07:49] BonBonTheJon: I'm sure it worked like that before. I tried it with one iso and it didn't work either [07:50] also use -az ;) it compresses the network traffic [07:50] ogra, basically we're looking at a total rewrite [07:50] for SCP right> [07:50] ? [07:50] not really [07:50] just split whats there into front and backend [07:50] just shifting stuff around.... [07:50] ogra: great! that works :) [07:50] yeh I suppose [07:51] it's gonna be so cool once it's done [07:51] did you get a chance o see the spec? [07:51] it will only be *some* glue coding, most can be copy and paste [07:51] cbx33: is your rsync tool in universe yet? [07:51] not yet, did you propose it for uds already ? [07:51] yes I did [07:51] yesterday [07:51] as I knew it was the deadline === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@65.114.44.38] has joined #edubuntu [07:51] cbx33, LP url ? [07:51] highvoltage, not yet [07:51] ogra, I'll just get it [07:52] ogra, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-upgrade [07:52] highvoltage, I'm hoping o get it in for feisty [07:52] or fiesty [07:52] great [07:52] whichever.. [07:53] it works....just needs a little updating as the iso names have changed I believe === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian [07:53] cbx33, ok, i subscribed as essential subscriber, lets see how it raises its priority [07:53] ogra, it probably needs other fields filled it [07:53] s/it/in [07:53] (specs of atendees are more likely to be accepted) [07:53] I didn't fill in the drafter or stuff [07:53] whois the drafter? [07:53] thats fine [07:54] I have a bug for rsyncer.sh [07:54] sbalneav, i didnt maintain it a while :) === Dheeraj_k [n=Dheeraj@203.145.159.44] has joined #edubuntu [07:54] whats the bug ? [07:54] needs to support --flavour [07:54] ogra, dude that thing needs to go into universe [07:54] :) [07:55] then it could be a dep of grasynco [07:55] For those of us who spell with the Queen's English :) [07:55] sbalneav, hahaha [07:55] i thought you integrated it into the grasynco package [07:55] yeh....but seeing as you still make changes to it ;) [07:56] sbalneav, aww, right ... i'll fix that what flavors do you like ? lemon and ginger i guess if its the quees english :) [07:56] *queens [07:56] hmmm [07:56] oin$ ~/rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --create ubuntu --flavor live [07:56] touching file ./ubuntu/edgy-live-i386.iso [07:56] receiving file list ... [07:56] rsync: link_stat "/daily-live/current/edgy-live-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) [07:56] 0 files to consider [07:56] sent 4 bytes received 17 bytes 8.40 bytes/sec [07:56] total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 [07:56] rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1298) [receiver=2.6.8] [07:56] there are no ubuntu isos named "live" anymore, right [07:56] its desktop :) [07:57] ah [07:57] ogra: they all are live [07:57] thats hardcoded in the script iirc [07:57] liv cds [07:57] yup it is ogra [07:57] and they differ beween edubuntu to ubuntu [07:57] for desktop we'll have it easier in the future :) [07:57] hehe [07:57] our live iso will also be called desktop [07:57] rsync: link_stat "/daily/current/edgy-desktop-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) [07:57] hmm...gnome is slow on this lappy [07:57] and install will be renamed "server" [07:57] think xfce would be quicker? [07:58] ubuntu>kubuntu>edubuntu = full of bug [07:58] I <3 awk, but sed hates me :/ [07:58] there seems o be live missing [07:58] any one have a minute to review a handbook page [07:58] yeah, for live its daily-live/ [07:58] and the iso is called live [07:58] for install/alternate its daily/ [07:59] cbx33, not the ubuntu one [07:59] oh Ithought he was doing edubuntu [07:59] ~/rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --create ubuntu --flavor live was his command :) [08:00] i'll throw rsyncer in bzr afetr release, then people can take it and do want they liek with it :) [08:00] just don't make and silly icon restrictions ;-) [08:01] or we'll have to call it freersyncer [08:01] xfce runs gnome apps right? [08:01] cbx33: yeah [08:01] syncweasel [08:01] anything will run gnome apps [08:01] highvoltage: excellent [08:01] cbx33: yes, the same way it runs kde apps [08:02] cbx33: it runs gtk apps more precisely [08:02] ah cool [08:02] LaserJock, *bah* you knew what I meant [08:02] cbx33: xubuntu install gtk apps only, so if you want to run gnome or kde apps you just need the libs for them installed [08:02] ok...how do install xfce [08:02] apt-get install xfce4 [08:02] apt-get install xfce-desktop [08:02] ahh ok [08:03] well, there are other things you can get too but xfce4 will get you the basics [08:04] cbx33: xubuntu-desktop will get you a better collection of packages, imho [08:04] but if you just want a very basic xfce installation, then yes, xfce-desktop === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has joined #edubuntu [08:06] ok doing [08:07] how will that affect edubutnu-dexktop [08:07] do I get a switcher at gdm login? [08:11] you can choose it at the session chooser [08:11] (in gdm) [08:12] cbx33: by the way, the Edubuntu artwork is looking very nice [08:12] who should I mail an entry for the handbook to [08:12] LaserJock, ty [08:12] cbx33: I can actually use it for every day use without killing my eyes [08:12] :-) [08:12] ....I'll pass that onto lisa [08:14] cbx33: yes, please pass on to lisa, it's way, way, way better than the artork in the previous version [08:14] :) [08:14] LaserJock, i had many complaints about it being to saturated ... :) but i like it as well as it is :) [08:15] and hopefully next release will be even better [08:15] ++ [08:15] Lisa is looking forward to actually getting a team together this release [08:15] as it'll hopefully be a 6 monther we'll have alot more time [08:16] ogra, has the deadline for specs passed now? [08:17] i think its today, yes [08:17] ok [08:17] that' cool [08:17] i have my specs in so far [08:17] at least I got the most essential one in [08:17] i'll try to take care for the SCP one [08:17] as a mentor in MV [08:17] thank you ogra [08:17] what deadline? [08:17] there was a deadline? [08:18] the spec submission deadline mdz set ... [08:18] yes, today afaik [08:18] grrr [08:18] why do I always miss these announcements === gsuveg [i=gabor@248-244.dyn-fa.pool.ew.hu] has left #edubuntu [] [08:19] how in the world are we supposed to add Edubuntu specs after Edgy is released if the deadline is today? [08:19] because you are not subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce ? [08:19] LaserJock: Too busy shooting lasers at things? :) [08:25] bbiab [08:25] sbalneav: laser? what's that? research? what research? :-) [08:26] You know, that thing you do when you're not working on Edubuntu? :) [08:27] Yeehaw! Just tested my sbalneav@edubuntu.org email and it works! === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-225-120.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:32] BonBonTheJon, do you still need someone to look at that networks stuff? [08:32] tideline: no, my friend looked at it, I have some changes to make, I might need you later :) [08:32] ok just let me know [08:32] thanks === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === mberger [n=mberger@208.62.120.116] has joined #edubuntu === tideline [n=tideline@208.62.120.116] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-78-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === tideline [n=tideline@208.62.120.116] has left #edubuntu [] === tideline [n=tideline@208.62.120.116] has joined #edubuntu === sky123_ [n=skys123@12.44.122.130] has joined #edubuntu [09:28] good afternoon guys [09:29] Afternoon [09:31] Were you achandra yesterday? === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:35] yep [09:35] this is the other handle :) [09:35] at work [09:35] sky123---also known as----achandra [09:36] :). Did you figure out your NIC problem? [09:36] I tried to post up on the schooltool page....but couldnt find too much about the "grading" module...i think its in alpha...but im super interested in that [09:37] OHH....yeah....good old F12 on the Sony brought up netboot and BAM it worked like a charm [09:37] I still don't like Sony, but at least it works :) [09:38] WRT Schooltool, you could try asking on #ubuntu-education [09:38] Or the Education mailing list [09:38] ahh...yeah...highvoltage did mention that [09:39] how do I get on it again...ie..place to sign up?? [09:39] lists.ubuntu.com [09:39] That's the main page for all the mailing lists [09:41] nice thnx === highvoltage fades out [09:53] goodnight everyone! === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian [09:53] Goodnight [09:53] night stelis! [09:57] night highvoltage === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@65.114.44.38] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [11:16] Evening all, be on later. === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === ukubuntu [n=adrian@84-12-152-172.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [11:54] ogra: I added https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-menus-completion === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === JSWAU [n=jalway@lib-alwayj.adm.swau.edu] has joined #edubuntu [12:01] Anyone know how to uninstall games like solitare, and the like in edubuntu? [12:01] JSWAU: get rid of the gnome-games package [12:02] hey, for the Edubuntu - Firefox start page needs to be fixed to say -> Welcome to Edubuntu 6.10! - Firefox [12:02] It won't let me. It gives me some error. [12:03] ogra: ^^ concerning the for the ff start page in edubuntu [12:04] <Burgwork> JSWAU: what error? [12:04] <LaserJock> Burgwork: probably wants to remove edubuntu-desktop [12:04] <JSWAU> Ahh... [12:04] <Burgwork> JSWAU: you can remove that, but remember to readd it back in when you upgrade [12:04] <Burgwork> that issue is solved for edgy [12:05] <JSWAU> What does removing that do? === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.11] has joined #edubuntu [12:05] <Burgwork> e-desktop is a meta package that contains nothing [12:05] <Burgwork> merely deps on the needed packages [12:05] <JSWAU> Oh. [12:06] <JSWAU> So, I can remove it, and then Gnome-Games. Without effecting the Educational Games that are installed? [12:06] <Burgwork> yes [12:07] <JSWAU> Cool, Thanks. :-) === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #edubuntu