[12:16] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: reload synaptic in order to check for updates
[12:22] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: what happened?
[12:23] <chovynz> it has a list of upgradeable installed apps. but it does say 88mgs need to be downloaded.
[12:24] <chovynz> i read on the apt-proxy page that we need to point the deb http lines to deb //var/... maybe this would help?
[12:24] <chovynz> ^ deb line in sources.list
[12:25] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: the 88 megs is because you were missing some repositories
[12:25] <chovynz> ...which are already on my other HD, which brings me back to my original question.....how do i make a harddrive a repository source
[12:26] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: did you set up apt-proxy
[12:26] <chovynz> no. i've been following the command lines. I'm gonna try apt next
 Q. how do i search for all files of *.deb in File manager?
[12:34] <chovynz> nautilus
[12:34] <LaserJock> does nautilus do that?
[12:35] <LaserJock> like system-wide searches?
[12:35] <chovynz> its supposed to i thought
[12:35] <chovynz> yeah
[12:35] <chovynz> the search function doesn't seem to work like it looks like it should
[12:36] <stelis> Places > Search searches your personal data
[12:36] <stelis> Emails etc. 
[12:36] <stelis> Rather than all of the system
[12:36] <chovynz> ok....even when you select file system?
[12:37] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: I know how using the command line
[12:37] <chovynz> :D how?
[12:38] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: 'cp -v -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives'
[12:41] <chovynz> "y enter y enter y enter y enter y enter ..." :D
[12:41] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: then do control-c
[12:41] <BonBonTheJon> and take out the -i
[12:42] <chovynz> its ok. its already done
[12:52] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon: ok heres another question for you....what would the uri for my secondary HD be? how would i find this out?
[12:54] <stelis> file:// plus the device name
[12:54] <stelis> e.g. file:///dev/hda1
[12:55] <stelis> Three slashes because of the leading slash in the device names
[12:55] <chovynz> "/" = root?
[12:56] <stelis> Yes
[12:56] <stelis> Devices are files
[12:56] <stelis> In /dev
[12:56] <stelis> Drives are then mounted to access 
[12:57] <stelis> The contents of the devices appear under /media by default
[12:57] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: what do you need the URI for
[12:57] <stelis> So the contents of /dev/cdrom would appear in /media/cdrom
[12:58] <chovynz> stelis:  thats true
[12:59] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon:  i need that address which is where the local repository for my entire upgraded old system is
[12:59] <stelis> I wasn't sure how much you knew already :)
[12:59] <chovynz> stelis: good for checking
[12:59] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: is this for apt-proxy
[01:00] <chovynz> still SPM...haven't figured out apt yet..i've been following the tutorial, but there are steps in there that i dont need
[01:01] <chovynz> what i do need is for sources.list to point to my mounted HD. I don't know the syntax for the SPM / apt channel 
[01:02] <chovynz> then when i run SPM it will see the updated old apps, see the recent "old" files, think of my old upgraded system as a channel and overwrite my new ones. 
[01:03] <chovynz> which is what i want :D
[01:05] <chovynz> is there a crying emote in here?
[01:05] <BonBonTheJon> :'(
[01:05] <BonBonTheJon> I guess
[01:05] <chovynz> that'll do :)  :'(
[01:06] <chovynz> i might as well have DL them all again
[01:06] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: don't give up
[01:06] <chovynz> for the time its taken me this far
[01:06] <chovynz> heres the file error message i get
[01:07] <chovynz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27893/
[01:09] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: can you pastebin you sources.list
[01:09] <chovynz> ok
[01:11] <chovynz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27895/
[01:13] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: are you using breezy or dapper
[01:13] <chovynz> dapper
[01:14] <chovynz> ah
[01:14] <chovynz> i used badger didnt i
[01:14] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: did you run through the apt-proxy tutorial
[01:15] <chovynz> i didnt completly. I thought it wasn't what i needed. I'll take another look
[01:18] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: did you copy all the .deb files to a folder on the new drive
[01:18] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: you can install all of them, I guess
[01:19] <chovynz> all these tutorials and documentations are talking about http internet and networked computers. They aren't talking about a local HD on the same machine - this is the syntax i need for SPM to recognise where to find the undated files.
[01:19] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon:  i dont even know how to find all .deb files yet
[01:20] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: did you copy all the files
[01:20] <chovynz> i c&p what you told me to
[01:20] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: I have an idea, open up the console and follow with me
[01:20] <chovynz> the cp -i - v bit
[01:20] <chovynz> console?
[01:20] <chovynz> terminal or naut?
[01:21] <BonBonTheJon> terminal
[01:21] <chovynz> done
[01:21] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: ok, change into the directory with all the .deb 'ch /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives'
[01:22] <BonBonTheJon> 'cd /mnt/hdb1/var/cache/apt/archives'
[01:22] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon: k
[01:22] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: now we will install all of them 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb'
[01:24] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: it should take a long time, it is installing all of the files
[01:24] <chovynz> yes :D
[01:24] <chovynz> o.O i just thought....why are we installing all of the files?
[01:25] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: it will have the updated files
[01:25] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon: im seeing packages in there that i unchecked
[01:25] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: like...?
[01:26] <chovynz> like most things to do with kde
[01:27] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: well, they will show up in synaptic, so you can remove them
[01:27] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon: lol. ok if it works i guess
[01:27] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: better to get too much and remove the extra, than download it all over again
[01:28] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: dinner time, I'll be back later
[01:28] <chovynz> ok thnx
[01:55] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: update?
[01:55] <chovynz> command line is done
[01:55] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: refresh synaptic and see if there are any updates
[01:56] <chovynz> it says the same thing. and its still downloading from the internet
[01:56] <chovynz> i said yes this time
[01:57] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: hmm, I don't knwo
[01:58] <chovynz> o.O i need to restart
[01:58] <chovynz> ill bbs
[02:08] <chovynz> BonBonTheJon: <shrug> it all seems to be updated. I dont know when it did, and i dont know how...but it is
[02:08] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: thats the important thing
[02:08] <chovynz> there seems to be some gaps though - openoffice updates for instance 
[02:09] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: you can add the openoffice repository
[02:09] <chovynz> ah well...Thanks muchly for helping me
[02:10] <chovynz> I do appreciate it
[02:10] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: glad to be of service
[02:10] <chovynz> was it a mission?
[02:11] <BonBonTheJon> huh?
[02:14] <chovynz> I guess if i need any more help with EDU ill come back here :)
[02:14] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: of course
[02:15] <chovynz> thanx all
[02:15] <chovynz> Thanks BonBonTheJon
[02:15] <chovynz> ~
[02:15] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: no problem
[02:22] <chovynz> Q. what was the other apps other than WINE?
[02:22] <chovynz> vmware and qvm or something
[02:22] <BonBonTheJon> vmware or qemu
[02:23] <chovynz> qemu. thnx thats what i was looking for
[04:37] <chovynz> qemu up and running
[04:37] <chovynz> oh yeah, so is windows
[04:37] <BonBonTheJon> chovynz: cool
[05:37] <sky123> thanxsa earlier with help on PXE....got it working !!! :) 
[05:37] <sky123> lucasvo:thnx
[05:37] <sky123> highvoltage:thnx
[06:14] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[06:14] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[07:47] <sky123> whoo hoo! xchat working with edubuntu thin client!!! 
[07:47] <sky123> nice!
[07:48] <LaserJock> cool
[07:48] <sky123> :) 
[07:48] <sky123> Hi guys can someone help me understand whether schooltool is installed by default on the server end???
[07:48] <sky123> and how do i access it via the web? 
[07:52] <LaserJock> hmm, I think it's installed on a server install
[07:53] <bimberi> yes, edubuntu-server depends on it
[07:53] <sky123> right...i saw it synaptic...but i guess my question was a litttle vague...how do i access it??
[07:53] <sky123> cool 
[07:53] <bimberi> sky123: try http://localhost:7180
[07:53] <bimberi> (a guess)
[07:53] <sky123> cool will do 
[07:54] <sky123> ill netstat -ln it if necessary 
[07:54] <sky123> ;) 
[07:54] <bimberi> :)
[07:54] <sky123> also...what does it use as dbase backend? mysql 
[07:54] <sky123> ??
[07:54] <sky123> or postgres or??
[07:55] <sky123> and is zope installed by default for conent management??
[07:55] <sky123> content that is...
[07:55] <LaserJock> I'm guessing no to the zope question
[07:56] <sky123> okay...by the way i hit schoolbell on 7180..which installed as well...but that is schooltool right??
[07:56] <bimberi> same here
[07:57] <bimberi> (guessing no to zope)
[07:57] <sky123> and uhmm...newb here...what is the default login and pass for management..or is that only done from localhost??
[07:58] <sky123> ie...remote clients may NOT administer the box... for schooltool...??
[07:58] <bimberi> sky123: see if there's anyone in #schooltool perhaps :)
[07:58] <sky123> lol...good enough :) 
[07:58] <sky123> will do 
[07:58] <bimberi> btw yes, schoolbell is part of the schooltool project
[07:59] <sky123> is there is a list of default packages installed with edubuntu or is a dpkg --list my best option? 
[07:59] <sky123> cool 
[07:59] <sky123> bimberi,Laserjock thanks for the help thus far
[07:59] <LaserJock> dpkg -l is the best to see what you've got
[07:59] <sky123> will do. 
[08:00] <LaserJock> usually in conjunction with | grep 
[08:02] <sky123> but of course :) 
[08:03] <LaserJock> sky123:  so have you been able to get into schooltool?
[08:03] <sky123> not yet... 
[08:03] <sky123> i can access the page..and the official schooltool getting started didnt have any docs in it.. 
[08:03] <sky123> yet to be added it says
[08:05] <bimberi> sky123: how about http://localhost:7080 ?
[08:06] <sky123> oh...lemme try that 
[08:07] <sky123> same result...takes me to calendar...and has same login button at top 
[08:09] <bimberi> hm
[08:10] <sky123> fyi: SchoolTool uses an object database, the Zope Object Database (ZODB) to be precise. It is not a relational database. There are no tables and no object-relational mapping, just persistent objects.  Instead of looking at database tables, Zope developers look for interface.py modules to grok an application's data structure.
[08:10] <sky123> bimberi: looks like it uses zope...from their faqs
[08:11] <bimberi> sky123: yes, zope3 iirc
[08:17] <sky123> bimberi: manager,schooltool......lol....worked! 
[08:17] <bimberi> sky123: did you guess that?
[08:18] <sky123> I wish I could take credit for miracles like George Bush...but I googled it... 
[08:18] <sky123> and saw it on the cando website.. 
[08:19] <bimberi> lol, i was going to say 'you cracker you' :P
[08:19] <sky123> which is addon to schooltool for managing assessment
[08:19] <sky123> lol 
[08:19] <sky123> google...gotta love it. :) 
[08:24] <sky123> alright guys...will be reading up on schooltool...thnx thusfar
[08:25] <Burgundavia> RichEd: there are days I am glad I am a Canadian and don't generally need a Visa to go anywhere
[11:25] <cbx33> Guten Morgen Alles
[11:26] <LaserJock> hola amigo ;-)
[11:26] <cbx33> LaserJock, !!!!
[11:26] <cbx33> dude how are you
[12:25] <highvoltage> BOO!
[12:47] <highvoltage> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/604
[01:58] <jsgotangco> Hey!
[02:07] <highvoltage> howdy, mr tango
[02:07] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco :)
[02:08] <jsgotangco> Lol
[02:09] <jsgotangco> It seems our RC is our gold with very little changes to the build now
[02:14] <ogra> well, apart from the udev bug highvoltage had and apart from the session choose bug i have no info on yet ...
[02:14] <ogra> b8ut its to late for uploads anyway ... 
[02:14] <jsgotangco> Jeez dapper looks old
[02:14] <jsgotangco> And slow
[02:14] <ogra> heh
[02:15] <jsgotangco> Really!
[02:15] <ogra> well, we'll roll the final isos in some hours
[02:15] <ogra> and then have a nice week of tests ...
[02:16] <highvoltage> I won't be able to do testing again until I'm home, which is also in a few hours. *sigh*
[02:16] <jsgotangco> Do you remember before a year ago when final isos are rolled out and everyone is online
[02:16] <highvoltage> ogra: and if the udev thing can be fixed, do you think that would be allowed?
[02:16] <ogra> only if its a small chane
[02:16] <ogra> *change
[02:16] <highvoltage> ok
[02:17] <ogra> but i suspect its a kernel bug or something ... it sliekly to be bigger
[02:18] <jsgotangco> Man my thumbs are sore now chatting on a phone
[02:19] <jsgotangco> ogra: who is christina armstrong?
[02:19] <ogra> marketing
[02:19] <jsgotangco> Ahhh
[02:20] <ogra> did she write something exciting i didnt read yet ? 
[02:21] <jsgotangco> EOL of 
[02:21] <jsgotangco> 5.04
[02:21] <ogra> ah
[02:22] <jsgotangco> *sniff*
[02:23] <ogra> yeah, there goes hoary
[02:23] <jsgotangco> I think hoary was my first real tangible contribution to ubuntu
[02:31] <jsgotangco> I still use rhythmbox
[02:31] <jsgotangco> Oopppss
[02:42] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: can you email me your snail mail addy? I want to send something to you
[02:42] <jsgotangco> ogra: you too ;)
[02:47] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: sure
[02:47] <highvoltage> !
[02:47] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: nothing illegal, I hope?
[02:47] <highvoltage> ;)
[02:49] <gsuveg> re
[02:49] <jsgotangco> hah
[02:49] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: probably
[02:49] <gsuveg> anyone can show picture from Mario ani ?
[02:49] <gsuveg> pleeease
[02:49] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:50] <highvoltage> gsuveg: that's pygi :)
[02:50] <jsgotangco> i dont even know how he looks like
[02:51] <gsuveg> yes. but he is offline now
[02:51] <gsuveg> http://ubuntu.hu/konf/?q=program/edubuntu <  im edit the flyer
[02:51] <highvoltage> I think there might be a hacekrgotchi somewhere
[02:55] <jsgotangco> its only a few months ago i discovered how prolific pygi is
[02:57] <jsgotangco> UbuntuWorld 2007?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> sure but pity us on the other side of the planet heh
[03:04] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: so true!
[03:04] <lucasvo> I want it in europe!
[03:04] <jsgotangco> no!
[03:04] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:05] <jsgotangco> the *way other* side of the planet
[03:05] <jsgotangco> errr firefox now has the logo???
[03:06] <highvoltage> on Ubuntu? wow.
[03:06] <highvoltage> I've always manually changed my one to have the logo :)
[03:08] <lucasvo> nice
[03:08] <highvoltage> for example...
[03:08] <highvoltage> http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/25MAR05
[03:08] <lucasvo> this stupid debian fork is the dumbest Idea I've ever head
[03:08] <lucasvo> ts/I/they/g
[03:08] <highvoltage> or http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/screenshots/23_OCT_2006 
[03:08] <lucasvo> :P
[03:09] <highvoltage> lucasvo: it's unfortunately just the way it has to be :-/
[03:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: well i just updated firefox and i get the firefox logo on the panel
[03:09] <highvoltage> lucasvo: if mozilla wants their logo in Debian, they'll have to change the licensing a bit
[03:09] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: well mozilla is pretty adamant about stuff as well to the point of being unreasonable
[03:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, cool. I think it's good that ubuntu does that
[03:09] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: i actually met asa dotzler before and we argued about it
[03:10] <lucasvo> well, both are dumb.
[03:10] <lucasvo> debian for forking it and mozilla for their licensing
[03:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i wont be surprised if its temporary
[03:10] <cbx33> afternoon all
[03:11] <jsgotangco> but at the moment /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png is the firefox logo
[03:11] <cbx33> ogra, just read your mail.....
[03:11] <cbx33> sorry for being so monumentally stupid
[03:11] <cbx33> ;)
[03:11] <ogra> ??
[03:11] <cbx33> I was thinking way outside the box on that one
[03:11] <cbx33> heheh
[03:11] <ogra> oh, the SCP mail you mean
[03:11] <cbx33> yes
[03:11] <cbx33> heheh
[03:11] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[03:11] <cbx33> I feel.....well...stupid ;)
[03:12] <cbx33> hiya highvoltage 
[03:12] <cbx33> ogra, I'll see if I can get on with that soon
[03:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: I think it might be intentional, see edgy-changes
[03:15] <jsgotangco> ahh i see it
[03:20] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hopefully, sabdfl doesn't see this http://world.honda.com/news/2006/c061017HondaJetNBAA/
[03:23] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: why?
[03:23] <highvoltage> lucasvo: he might buy one. or ten.
[03:23] <highvoltage> :)
[03:23] <jsgotangco> and replace his bombardier
[03:23] <lucasvo> highvoltage: an Ubuntu Summit shuttle service?
[03:24] <lucasvo> :P
[03:24] <jsgotangco> sure its been used like that before
[03:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: if you're sending me one of those, it won't fit in my postbox :(
[03:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, whats wrong with bombardiaer ?
[03:24] <ogra> *bombardier
[03:24] <jsgotangco> well nothing wrong really with having your own aircraft, but this one is cheap for $3.65M
[03:25] <ogra> well ... fsvo cheap
[03:25] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:25] <ogra> (i could buy a football field of porsches for that :) )
[03:26] <highvoltage> 'cheap' is always relative :)
[03:27] <cbx33> indeed as is expensive
[03:27] <lucasvo> private jet & opensource is kinda strange together...
[03:28] <ogra> why ? it proves the model works ;)
[03:28] <highvoltage> I think I'll buy one one day just because lucasvo said that :)
[03:29] <lucasvo> but I woulnd't use it where normal frlights are available
[03:29] <lucasvo> why burn 1000 times as much fuel as needed?
[03:30] <jsgotangco> good queston, let's ask the man who owns one
[03:33] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: I will
[03:33] <lucasvo> :)
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:06] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:08] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:12] <sbalneav> Hey bddebian
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[04:23] <sbalneav> be back in a bit, have to reboot my box
[04:27] <gsuveg> re
[05:12] <tideline> afternoon all
[05:12] <highvoltage> good afternoon, tideline 
[05:12] <highvoltage> isn't it very late in the evening / early in the morning your side of the world?
[05:13] <tideline> highvoltage, me - no its 11:13 am
[05:13] <tideline> im in EST USA
[05:13] <tideline> been here at work for 3 hours now
[05:13] <highvoltage> ah
[05:13] <jsgotangco> heh exact opposite here, its 11:13 pm
[05:14] <highvoltage> 17:13 here :)
[05:14] <jsgotangco> i live in the future
[05:14] <tideline> or i live in the past
[05:14] <tideline> not very zen of me is it 
[05:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:14] <jsgotangco> well how does this sound
[05:14] <jsgotangco> i live in the future
[05:15] <jsgotangco> but i depend on the work of people in the past
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ;)
[05:15] <tideline> heh
[05:15] <tideline> jsgotangco, where are you Aus or something?
[05:16] <jsgotangco> i'm in Manila
[05:16] <jsgotangco> Sydney would be around 1am already
[05:16] <Yagisan> its 1:16am
[05:16] <Yagisan> ;)
[05:16] <tideline> isn't it bed time ;-)
[05:16] <Yagisan> indeed - but the kids don't believe me
[05:17] <tideline> funny mine never believe me either
[05:18] <Yagisan> tideline, mine are 2 and a half, and 11 months. yours ?
[05:18] <tideline> Yagisan, 6 years and 3 years
[05:19] <tideline> the 6 year old is why I sterted looking at edubuntu
[05:19] <Yagisan> heh. I've gotten my 2 year interested in it
[05:20] <Yagisan> your 6 year will very likely have no trouble with it (and probably start teaching you how to use it soon ;) )
[05:20] <tideline> He goes to a private school which is getting new computers this year - Iam actually going to pitch a edubuntu solution to them tomorrow morning
[05:20] <tideline> he already does
[05:21] <tideline> I actually had to take his laptop away from him for a litle while, he was on there all the time
[05:22] <jsgotangco> my 4 1/2 uses gcompris all the time
[05:22] <tideline> has anyone used kid pix... its not OS but they just bought it at his school and I want to tell them that XX is just as good and free
[05:24] <tideline> http://www.learningcompany.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1194&mainPID=1194&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C87&iProductID=1194
[05:24] <tideline> looks like tux paint but a little more polished
[06:30] <juliux> ogra, ping
[07:12] <lucasvo> does edgy have the swap server?
[07:12] <ogra> yep
[07:12] <ogra> not the one we wanted though, but it has a swapserver
[07:12] <LaserJock> what does that mean exactly?
[07:15] <lucasvo> ogra: why are there two different swapservers?
[07:15] <lucasvo> what's the diference?
[07:16] <ogra> fully-automatic-swapserver defines that everything we want is directly included in nbd-server
[07:16] <ogra> the current solution is a wrapper script that does the same but isnt integrated
[07:17] <lucasvo> ogra: because of lack of time?
[07:17] <ogra> so f-a-s is still not properly integrated ... and will only be if we turned the script into C code and applied it to nbd-server
[07:17] <lucasvo> will it be different in fiesty fawn?
[07:17] <lucasvo> :)
[07:17] <ogra> i'*ve put it on the discussion agenda
[07:17] <lucasvo> ogra: you don't like C?
[07:17] <ogra> nah
[07:18] <ogra> too many security rissk 
[07:19] <lucasvo> I am so damn annoyed that I missed the deadline for MV. :(
[07:20] <sbalneav> DON'T LIKE C?!?!?!
[07:20] <lucasvo> sbalneav: well, if you like C, why don't YOU do it!?
[07:20] <lucasvo> ;)
[07:21] <sbalneav> Sure, what is it I'm doing?
[07:21] <sbalneav> Oh, sure, I could do that.
[07:21] <lucasvo> sbalneav: nice!
[07:32] <highvoltage> good evening mr sbalneav 
[07:33] <sbalneav> hey highvoltage
[07:33] <highvoltage> sbalneav: how's LTSP 5 coming along?
[07:33] <ogra> highvoltage, as far as you see it on your testinstall :P
[07:34] <ogra> we're just writing specs :)
[07:34] <highvoltage> cool :)
[07:34] <sbalneav> It's coming swimingly.
[07:34] <ogra> https://features.launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs has already a handfull
[07:35] <highvoltage> :-D
[07:35] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:36] <sbalneav> There's a nice 3-level heirarchy there.
[07:36] <highvoltage> ogra: I don't think the diskless fat client work will be so much work, I've got it working already, I just need to get the code into a ltsp bzr branch (which I still need to figure out how to do)
[07:37] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm wondering now if I shouldn't have marked edubuntu-dynamic-menus as "implemented"
[07:37] <sbalneav> Fat: Full client, just no harddrive
[07:37] <highvoltage> the only tricky part is the authentication, but ldap support is going to be in feisty, so that makes it easy :)
[07:37] <ogra> LaserJock, its there, isnt it ? make a followup spec
[07:37] <sbalneav> Localapps: Mainly thin, but an app or two farmed out to the client.
[07:37] <highvoltage> sbalneav: correct
[07:37] <sbalneav> Thin: Everything on the server.
[07:37] <sbalneav> Perfect.
[07:37] <ogra> LaserJock, like we did for SCP 
[07:37] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I marked it as implemented, but it's more like "Beta Available"
[07:37] <highvoltage> sbalneav: at some stage I had that on a terminology page so that we all know what we're tlaking about, perhaps that can go into the ltsp docs this time :)
[07:38] <ogra> highvoltage,  https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server
[07:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: btw, is it available somewhere? I'd love to go through it.
[07:38] <highvoltage> ogra: heh, I downloaded those ldap scripts this afternoon :)
[07:38] <ogra> LaserJock, if it needs re-considering just make a new spec
[07:39] <ogra> highvoltage, i'll fight for it ... regardless where the network auth stuff for ubuntu goes
[07:39] <ogra> i'm tired of waiting
[07:39] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know whether MV will have teamspeak or other voip things again?
[07:39] <ogra> yep, it will
[07:39] <ogra> but i hope with a speaker/mic on the table this time
[07:39] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I think it certainly need more discussion to get a really good and usable menu system. I'll whip up something
[07:40] <ogra> LaserJock++
[07:41] <sbalneav> highvoltage: No, not yet.  I need to sit down for a day and a half, and do some doco on what LTSP5's all about.
[07:41] <nixternal> howdy everyone!
[07:41] <LaserJock> ogra: although I think maybe more interesting and farther reaching would be making a general group driven framework
[07:41] <highvoltage> hey nixternal 
[07:41] <ogra> LaserJock, yeah, and integrate it with the smbldap ;)
[07:42] <highvoltage> talking about documentation...
[07:42] <highvoltage> did you guys see that indonesian edubuntu cookbook?
[07:42] <highvoltage> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/604
[07:42] <nixternal> i haven't
[07:42] <ogra> lets rather talk about tesing ;) there is a new iso on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/ ;)
[07:43] <ogra> might be the pre-last one who knows :)
[07:43] <highvoltage> oh wow
[07:43] <ogra> (last one will add additional langpacks)
[07:43] <nixternal> that is rather disturbing to me
[07:43] <LaserJock> ogra: do you know how the tasks are done. How are packages added to the edubuntu-{desktop,live} tasks?
[07:44] <nixternal> to be part of the community, and go for a deal elsewhere before actually helping out with something the community is trying to do right now
[07:44] <ogra> LaserJock, no, i only know how they are handled in the metapackages, but its easy to find out ...
[07:45] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin > bonbonthejon
[07:45] <highvoltage> wow, the edubuntu cd is relatively small :)
[07:46] <ogra> yep, some space for langpacks
[07:46] <BonBonTheJon> can someone look over my Concepts: Networks and Networking, I think I am almost done
[07:47] <BonBonTheJon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27987/
[07:48] <highvoltage> my rsync command is rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20061023/edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso edgy-install-i386.iso
[07:48] <highvoltage> and it says "@ERROR: Unknown module 'edubuntu'
[07:49] <highvoltage> is there something wrong with my rsync command?
[07:49] <BonBonTheJon> highvoltage: at the end you have the iso twice
[07:49] <cbx33> Guten Abends
[07:49] <BonBonTheJon> Guten Tag
[07:49] <ogra> highvoltage, its rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/
[07:49] <highvoltage> BonBonTheJon: I'm sure it worked like that before. I tried it with one iso and it didn't work either
[07:50] <ogra> also use -az ;) it compresses the network traffic
[07:50] <cbx33> ogra, basically we're looking at a total rewrite
[07:50] <cbx33> for SCP right>
[07:50] <cbx33> ?
[07:50] <ogra> not really
[07:50] <ogra> just split whats there into front and backend
[07:50] <cbx33> just shifting stuff around....
[07:50] <highvoltage> ogra: great! that works :)
[07:50] <cbx33> yeh I suppose
[07:51] <cbx33> it's gonna be so cool once it's done
[07:51] <cbx33> did you get a chance o see the spec?
[07:51] <ogra> it will only be *some* glue coding, most can be copy and paste
[07:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: is your rsync tool in universe yet?
[07:51] <ogra> not yet, did you propose it for uds already ?
[07:51] <cbx33> yes I did
[07:51] <cbx33> yesterday
[07:51] <cbx33> as I knew it was the deadline
[07:51] <ogra> cbx33, LP url ?
[07:51] <cbx33> highvoltage, not yet
[07:51] <cbx33> ogra, I'll just get it
[07:52] <cbx33> ogra, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-upgrade
[07:52] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm hoping o get it in for feisty
[07:52] <cbx33> or fiesty
[07:52] <highvoltage> great
[07:52] <cbx33> whichever..
[07:53] <cbx33> it works....just needs a little updating as the iso names have changed I believe
[07:53] <ogra> cbx33, ok, i subscribed as essential subscriber, lets see how it raises its priority
[07:53] <cbx33> ogra, it probably needs other fields filled it
[07:53] <cbx33> s/it/in
[07:53] <ogra> (specs of atendees are more likely to be accepted)
[07:53] <cbx33> I didn't fill in the drafter or stuff
[07:53] <cbx33> whois the drafter?
[07:53] <ogra> thats fine
[07:54] <sbalneav> I have a bug for rsyncer.sh
[07:54] <ogra> sbalneav, i didnt maintain it a while :)
[07:54] <ogra> whats the bug ?
[07:54] <sbalneav> needs to support --flavour 
[07:54] <cbx33> ogra, dude that thing needs to go into universe
[07:54] <cbx33> :)
[07:55] <cbx33> then it could be a dep of grasynco
[07:55] <sbalneav> For those of us who spell with the Queen's English :)
[07:55] <cbx33> sbalneav, hahaha
[07:55] <ogra> i thought you integrated it into the grasynco package
[07:55] <cbx33> yeh....but seeing as you still make changes to it ;)
[07:56] <ogra> sbalneav, aww, right ... i'll fix that what flavors do you like ? lemon and ginger i guess if its the quees english :)
[07:56] <ogra> *queens
[07:56] <sbalneav> hmmm
[07:56] <sbalneav> oin$ ~/rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --create ubuntu --flavor live
[07:56] <sbalneav> touching file ./ubuntu/edgy-live-i386.iso
[07:56] <sbalneav> receiving file list ... 
[07:56] <sbalneav> rsync: link_stat "/daily-live/current/edgy-live-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[07:56] <sbalneav> 0 files to consider
[07:56] <sbalneav> sent 4 bytes  received 17 bytes  8.40 bytes/sec
[07:56] <sbalneav> total size is 0  speedup is 0.00
[07:56] <sbalneav> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1298) [receiver=2.6.8] 
[07:56] <ogra> there are no ubuntu isos named "live" anymore, right
[07:56] <ogra> its desktop :)
[07:57] <sbalneav> ah
[07:57] <BonBonTheJon> ogra: they all are live
[07:57] <ogra> thats hardcoded in the script iirc
[07:57] <BonBonTheJon> liv cds
[07:57] <cbx33> yup it is ogra 
[07:57] <cbx33> and they differ beween edubuntu to ubuntu
[07:57] <ogra> for desktop we'll have it easier in the future :)
[07:57] <cbx33> hehe
[07:57] <ogra> our live iso will also be called desktop
[07:57] <sbalneav> rsync: link_stat "/daily/current/edgy-desktop-i386.iso" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2)
[07:57] <cbx33> hmm...gnome is slow on this lappy
[07:57] <ogra> and install will be renamed "server"
[07:57] <cbx33> think xfce would be quicker?
[07:58] <Dheeraj_k> ubuntu>kubuntu>edubuntu = full of bug 
[07:58] <LaserJock> I <3 awk, but sed hates me :/
[07:58] <cbx33> there seems o be live missing
[07:58] <BonBonTheJon> any one have a minute to review a handbook page
[07:58] <ogra> yeah, for live its daily-live/
[07:58] <cbx33> and the iso is called live
[07:58] <ogra> for install/alternate its daily/
[07:59] <ogra> cbx33, not the ubuntu one
[07:59] <cbx33> oh Ithought he was doing edubuntu
[07:59] <ogra>  ~/rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --create ubuntu --flavor live was his command :)
[08:00] <ogra> i'll throw rsyncer in bzr afetr release, then people can take it and do want they liek with it :)
[08:00] <LaserJock> just don't make and silly icon restrictions ;-)
[08:01] <LaserJock> or we'll have to call it freersyncer
[08:01] <cbx33> xfce runs gnome apps right?
[08:01] <BonBonTheJon> cbx33: yeah
[08:01] <highvoltage> syncweasel
[08:01] <LaserJock> anything will run gnome apps
[08:01] <LaserJock> highvoltage: excellent
[08:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, the same way it runs kde apps
[08:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: it runs gtk apps more precisely
[08:02] <cbx33> ah cool
[08:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, *bah* you knew what I meant
[08:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: xubuntu install gtk apps only, so if you want to run gnome or kde apps you just need the libs for them installed
[08:02] <cbx33> ok...how do install xfce
[08:02] <LaserJock> apt-get install xfce4
[08:02] <cbx33> apt-get install xfce-desktop
[08:02] <cbx33> ahh ok
[08:03] <LaserJock> well, there are other things you can get too but xfce4 will get you the basics
[08:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: xubuntu-desktop will get you a better collection of packages, imho
[08:04] <highvoltage> but if you just want a very basic xfce installation, then yes, xfce-desktop
[08:06] <cbx33> ok doing 
[08:07] <cbx33> how will that affect edubutnu-dexktop
[08:07] <cbx33> do I get a switcher at gdm login?
[08:11] <highvoltage> you can choose it at the session chooser
[08:11] <highvoltage> (in gdm)
[08:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: by the way, the Edubuntu artwork is looking very nice
[08:12] <BonBonTheJon> who should I mail an entry for the handbook to
[08:12] <cbx33> LaserJock, ty
[08:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: I can actually use it for every day use without killing my eyes
[08:12] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:12] <cbx33> ....I'll pass that onto lisa
[08:14] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, please pass on to lisa, it's way, way, way better than the artork in the previous version
[08:14] <cbx33> :)
[08:14] <ogra> LaserJock, i had many complaints about it being to saturated ... :) but i like it as well as it is :)
[08:15] <cbx33> and hopefully next release will be even better
[08:15] <ogra> ++
[08:15] <cbx33> Lisa is looking forward to actually getting a team together this release
[08:15] <cbx33> as it'll hopefully be a 6 monther we'll have alot more time
[08:16] <cbx33> ogra, has the deadline for specs passed now?
[08:17] <ogra> i think its today, yes
[08:17] <cbx33> ok
[08:17] <cbx33> that' cool
[08:17] <ogra> i have my specs in so far
[08:17] <cbx33> at least I got the most essential one in
[08:17] <ogra> i'll try to take care for the SCP one
[08:17] <ogra> as a mentor in MV
[08:17] <cbx33> thank you ogra 
[08:17] <LaserJock> what deadline?
[08:17] <LaserJock> there was a deadline?
[08:18] <ogra> the spec submission deadline mdz set ...
[08:18] <ogra> yes, today afaik
[08:18] <LaserJock> grrr
[08:18] <LaserJock> why do I always miss these announcements
[08:19] <LaserJock> how in the world are we supposed to add Edubuntu specs after Edgy is released if the deadline is today?
[08:19] <ogra> because you are not subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce ?
[08:19] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Too busy shooting lasers at things? :)
[08:25] <cbx33> bbiab
[08:25] <LaserJock> sbalneav: laser? what's that? research? what research? :-)
[08:26] <sbalneav> You know, that thing you do when you're not working on Edubuntu? :)
[08:27] <sbalneav> Yeehaw!  Just tested my sbalneav@edubuntu.org email and it works!
[08:32] <tideline> BonBonTheJon, do you still need someone to look at that networks stuff?
[08:32] <BonBonTheJon> tideline: no, my friend looked at it, I have some changes to make, I might need you later :)
[08:32] <tideline> ok just let me know
[08:32] <BonBonTheJon> thanks
[09:28] <sky123_> good afternoon guys 
[09:29] <stelis> Afternoon
[09:31] <stelis> Were you achandra yesterday? 
[09:35] <sky123_> yep 
[09:35] <sky123_> this is the other handle :) 
[09:35] <sky123_> at work 
[09:35] <sky123_> sky123---also known as----achandra 
[09:36] <stelis> :). Did you figure out your NIC problem?
[09:36] <sky123_> I tried to post up on the schooltool page....but couldnt find too much about the "grading" module...i think its in alpha...but im super interested in that 
[09:37] <sky123_> OHH....yeah....good old F12 on the Sony brought up netboot and BAM it worked like a charm 
[09:37] <stelis> I still don't like Sony, but at least it works :) 
[09:38] <stelis> WRT Schooltool, you could try asking on #ubuntu-education
[09:38] <stelis> Or the Education mailing list
[09:38] <sky123_> ahh...yeah...highvoltage did mention that 
[09:39] <sky123_> how do I get on it again...ie..place to sign up??
[09:39] <stelis> lists.ubuntu.com
[09:39] <stelis> That's the main page for all the mailing lists
[09:41] <sky123_> nice thnx 
[09:53] <highvoltage> goodnight everyone!
[09:53] <stelis> Goodnight
[09:53] <highvoltage> night stelis!
[09:57] <tideline> night highvoltage 
[11:16] <sbalneav> Evening all, be on later.
[11:54] <LaserJock> ogra: I added https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-menus-completion
[12:01] <JSWAU> Anyone know how to uninstall games like solitare, and the like in edubuntu?
[12:01] <Burgwork> JSWAU: get rid of the gnome-games package
[12:02] <nixternal> hey, <title></title> for the Edubuntu - Firefox start page needs to be fixed to say ->     <title>Welcome to Edubuntu 6.10! - Firefox</title>
[12:02] <JSWAU> It won't let me. It gives me some error.
[12:03] <nixternal> ogra: ^^ concerning the <title> for the ff start page in edubuntu
[12:04] <Burgwork> JSWAU: what error?
[12:04] <LaserJock> Burgwork: probably wants to remove edubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <JSWAU> Ahh...
[12:04] <Burgwork> JSWAU: you can remove that, but remember to readd it back in when you upgrade
[12:04] <Burgwork> that issue is solved for edgy
[12:05] <JSWAU> What does removing that do?
[12:05] <Burgwork> e-desktop is a meta package that contains nothing
[12:05] <Burgwork> merely deps on the needed packages
[12:05] <JSWAU> Oh.
[12:06] <JSWAU> So, I can remove it, and then Gnome-Games. Without effecting the Educational Games that are installed?
[12:06] <Burgwork> yes
[12:07] <JSWAU> Cool, Thanks. :-)