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_knoppixk12:11
jendesteven__: just remove it, if you're, as alike as I am, to use apt from time to time12:11
steven__jende: Remove what?12:11
jendesteven__: adept12:12
_knoppixi want to try out kubuntu , after a few month with ubuntu12:12
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DaSkreechjende: The kernel?12:12
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steven__jende: it's only a single package that i want to exclude from the update chack. If i remove adebt i won't get any updates.12:12
jendesteven__: that wrong12:13
jendesteven__: thats wrong12:13
steven__jende: What do yuo mean?12:13
kirkeHello12:13
jendesteven__: try aptitude on a aconsole12:14
jendesteven__: try aptitude on a a console12:14
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kirkeCan I make a question?12:14
Laervianwhat's wrong in using a GUI?12:14
Laerviano_O12:14
kirkeOr ask :D.12:14
jendeDaSkreech: the kerenel??? huh???12:14
jende!ask12:14
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:14
DaSkreechjende: Neveer mind I just picked up on you12:14
kirkeOk.12:14
steven__jende: hmmm12:14
kirkeI want to install Free Pascal.12:14
jende!free pascal12:15
kirkeI installed it.12:15
kirkeBut I can't use the mouse.12:15
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kirkeIs not absolutly necesary.12:15
Tallia1Kubuntuhey guys, would you suggest me a good external 56k usb modem for linux?12:15
kirkeBut I prefer to work with the mouse.12:15
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jendekirke: it seems to be that its not a Kubuntu related topic, I gugess12:15
kirkeWhere should I go?12:16
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DaSkreechHawkwind: Oh have you seen the new Yellow Dog?12:17
DaSkreechTallia1Kubuntu: I don't know does U.S. Robitics still exist?12:18
HawkwindDaSkreech: Yeppers12:18
DaSkreech:-D12:18
DaSkreechGo E!12:18
Tallia1Kubuntuyeah, i have a wireless router.. :D12:18
HawkwindDaSkreech: The one running E17 on the PlayStation 3 :P12:18
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Tallia1Kubuntubut i dunno where is the modem.. :P12:18
DaSkreechHawkwind: hopefully Sony doesn't screw this one over as well12:18
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DaSkreechTallia1Kubuntu: You dial up to the internet?12:19
Tallia1Kubuntu?12:19
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: I installed once a conceptronic and hadn't had any dramas12:19
Tallia1Kubuntuyou mean now?12:19
Tallia1Kubuntuno, i am on optical fiber now.. it's for my daddy12:19
Tallia1Kubuntuwindows keep getting viruses, and an antivirus requires too many resources..12:19
Tallia1Kubuntusince he use only browsing - camera - email, linux will be good for him.. :P12:20
plugsflash 9 rocks.12:20
jendekirke: I woulf try someone who maintains that stuff12:20
dragonflysevenplugs: how did you get it working?12:20
jendekirke: I would try someone who maintains that stuff12:20
dragonflysevenplugs: I am having trouble with it.12:20
DaSkreechTallia1Kubuntu: And he dials up? :)12:20
Tallia1Kubuntunope..12:20
kirkeThanks.12:20
Tallia1Kubuntui have an averycom..12:21
plugsdid you download the deb from the website?12:21
Tallia1Kubuntuand i am trying to make the drivers work.. :(12:21
Tallia1Kubuntubut i never did anything like this12:21
dragonflysevenplugs: I tried that, and puting the .so in the firefox pluggin folder, but it doesnt work.12:21
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: has the module for your modem been loaded succesfully?We're talking out a modem, don't we?12:22
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: has the module for your modem been loaded succesfully?We're talking bout a modem, don't we?12:22
birdfishHey guys, where would I find the options to change how to the login screen looks?12:22
DaSkreechHawkwind: The Wikipage doesn't seem to mention seerof Souls at all12:22
plugswell what i did was i did sudo dpkg -i ~/flashplugin-nonfree_9~beta1~seveas1_i386.deb12:22
plugsthat was all i had to do12:22
Tallia1Kubuntuhow do i check?12:22
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dragonflysevenplugs: I will try that.12:23
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: what brand and model is ist?12:23
vgehow do i start the server install on xubuntu startup screen?12:23
Tallia1Kubuntueverything i can see, is from dmesg: [17826102.136000]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 512:23
DaSkreechHawkwind: Wait Sos :)12:23
Tallia1Kubuntuon the modem is wrote AveryCom12:23
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Tallia1Kubuntuchecking in windows where it was correctly installed it said to be SmartUSB56 SmartLink12:23
dragonflysevenIs there a hot key to quit the Xserver and go to a terminal so that I can install a video card?12:24
ubuntu__hellow i'm new in kubuntu :D12:24
cellofellowdragonflyseven: ctrl+alt+F1-612:24
DaSkreechbirdfish: I installed a package12:25
vgeis there a method to start xubuntu install without the graphic interface?12:25
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birdfishDaSkreech: so there is no application already installed to change the login manager then?12:25
Tallia1Kubuntujende: ?12:26
ubuntu__sombody to help me?12:26
DaSkreechbirdfish: Not that I know of12:26
DaSkreech!ask12:26
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:26
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DaSkreechkcontrol-kdmtheme12:26
ubuntu__ok12:26
birdfishDaSkreech: thanks man :)12:26
dragonflysevencello: No, that just goes to a terminal window. I need to actually quit the Xserver.12:26
ubuntu__i need to change my nick :s12:26
DaSkreechubuntu__: try /nick <newnick>12:27
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: yep, I just searched google12:27
ubuntu__12:27
Lam_how does kde handle hidden folders?  gnome does it by a dot prefix12:27
Tallia1Kubuntujende: what?12:27
dragonflysevenHow do I actually quit the Xserver?12:28
ubuntu__12:28
DaSkreechdragonflyseven: You could just Kill X12:28
dragonflysevenadskreech: how?12:28
HawkwindDaSkreech: Which wiki page ?12:28
DaSkreechtry Alt+Ctrl+Esc and click on the Desktop Though I think that may just log you out12:28
DaSkreechHawkwind: Ebuntu12:28
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: patebin the output of lspci12:29
HawkwindDaSkreech: Ahhh, because I've got nothing to do with those guys.  They use their own packages12:29
jende!paste12:29
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)12:29
DaSkreechAight Cool12:29
Ace2016hi all12:29
Ace2016is rar really shareware?12:29
jendeAce2016: AFAIK yes12:30
Tallia1Kubuntujende: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/XH53AX23.html12:30
Ace2016it said i have to register in 40 days? is that for extraction too?12:30
Tallia1Kubuntujende: don't look at the intel internal modem..... that's fucked up12:30
Ace2016or is this for making rar files only?12:30
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Tallia1Kubuntui am trying to use the USB one..12:31
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LjL!language12:31
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.12:31
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ubuntu__12:32
snikkeranyones have experience with vmware server?12:32
rubensadictocomo eu imprimo no kde em modo economico12:32
ubuntu__12:32
ubuntu__alguien habla espa;ol?12:32
Dink!es12:32
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.12:32
Ace2016Is there another app i can use instead of rar? i only need to extract the odd file12:32
afm\colossusunrar12:33
afm\colossus:>12:33
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: it wa a usb thingy, though, wasn't it12:33
Ace2016is unrar a part of rar?12:33
afm\colossusno12:33
rcarrAce2016: unrar-free12:33
Tallia1Kubuntujende: ? the one i am trying to install is USB12:33
afm\colossusunrar-free works only for 2.x-version archives, afaik12:33
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: if so give me the output of lsusb12:33
Ace2016what about unace-nonfree? is that shareware too?12:33
ubuntu__thanks for your help:D12:33
jende!rar12:34
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free12:34
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Tallia1Kubuntujende: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/dzefeN49.html12:34
CaedmonI could use a bit of help with getting my WLAN Card running in 6.06 LTS.. if anyone's willing?12:35
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valkeriehow old is the card?12:35
Tallia1Kubuntu!wireless12:35
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs12:35
CaedmonCard is fairly recent.12:36
valkeriechances are that the kernel wont have the appropriate block drivers for it if it's less than oh..... 1.5 years old12:37
DaSkreechSo long suckers :)12:37
CaedmonNot that recent..12:37
CaedmonNetgear WG311 v212:37
Caedmonthere's been a v3 put out more recently12:37
DaSkreechAce2016: It should work as long as you have it Just that it will moan a lot12:38
DaSkreechjende: Can't we get that fixed?12:38
dragonflysevenOK, flash is triving me crazy. If I have libflashplayer.so in the mozilla plugins folder, shouldn't it work?12:38
valkerieyeah12:38
valkeriei have the same problem12:38
Tallia1Kubuntujende: still there?12:39
valkerieabout the wireless card.... try using NDISwrapper12:39
valkerieit allows you to use windows drivers on the card12:39
valkeriethat works sometimes12:40
CaedmonThat's what I was looking at..  just trying to figure out where I can get kernel source packages without a network connection12:40
Caedmonand actually there is a driver for the card.. acx100.sf.net12:40
Caedmoncause it uses the TI ACX111 chipset12:40
valkerieyou got lucky then12:40
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CaedmonI figured that..  Ideas on how to get kernel source packages, build-essential etc without a network connection tho?12:41
dragonflysevenSo anyone have any ideas about getting flash 9 beta to work with Firefox 2?12:41
valkeriebest thing i can tell you is find a friend that will let you download it12:42
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jendeTallia1Kubuntu: i checked now all of google and other ways to figure whether there is a module for linux or not, but i couldnt find one12:42
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CaedmonWell.. I am dual booting12:42
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: i checked now all of google and other ways to figure whether there is a module for linux or not, but i couldnt find one12:42
Caedmonso I can download myself and drop it on a flashdrive or something12:42
Caedmonbut I need to know where12:43
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Caedmonlol12:43
valkeriewhere as in...12:43
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jendeTallia1Kubuntu: sorry that I cant help really12:45
Tallia1Kubuntujende: suggest me to buy any modem?12:46
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Tallia1Kubuntubrand i mean12:46
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Brydenn33hahaha12:47
Brydenn33i finally did it12:47
Brydenn33darn ntfs-3g was a pain12:47
Brydenn33just had to make sense of their error message12:47
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Brydenn33ok so i have the solution to anyone trying to get "READ/WRITE" access on an NTFS partition12:48
Brydenn33using the ntfs-3g method12:48
dragonflysevenHa! I got flash 9 beta to work!12:48
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ubuntu_hi guys12:50
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: http://www.conceptronic.net/site/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=197&otabid=195&nextmn=0&modid=3&item=4612:50
ubuntu_i need some help12:50
jendeBrydenn33: tell us how did you make it12:51
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:51
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:53
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:53
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:53
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:53
LoRezWarning: `ubuntu_' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued.12:53
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:53
ubuntu_anyone can help me installing kubuntu?12:53
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LjL!anyone12:54
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?12:54
LjL!install12:54
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues12:54
jendeubuntu__: whats the prob...next time please be patient and wait til one answers12:54
ubuntu_i reach the patition choosing part and it gives me a blank screen with no partitions to choose from i got a dual system12:54
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Brydenn33jende: ok...12:56
jendeubuntu_: means you have already made an ext2/ext3 partition and its not shown in the partition menu?12:56
ubuntu_well?12:56
ubuntu_yup12:56
Brydenn33well obviously you have to make sure FUSE and ntfs-3g are installed12:56
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Brydenn33and change fstab correctly and make sure Fuse is added to the bottom line in your modules12:56
Brydenn33but for some reason ever time i rebooted it wouldnt be mounted12:56
przemekhi all12:56
jendeubuntu_: if you can't wait til someone answers...I'm not helping you due to your impatience12:57
Brydenn33and in the konsole it said you had to reboot windows TWICE or use the FORCE option to mount it12:57
Brydenn33i tried a FORCE mount, and that worked12:57
Brydenn33however12:57
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Brydenn33when you reboot the machine it would go back to being unmounted, so that wasnt what i wanted12:57
ubuntu_ive been trying to install kubuntu for 2 days straight sorry for my impatiance this doesnt happen with ubuntu though12:57
przemekjest ktos z Polski??12:57
Brydenn33i wanted it to automount and get the read/write access12:57
jendeTallia1Kubuntu: or check that site http://linmodems.org/12:57
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LjL!pl12:57
ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl12:57
Brydenn33so after reading a bit on a forum i found i rebooted back to windows12:57
Brydenn33and it did a scan on the HD12:58
Brydenn33i rebooted after the scan again back into windows12:58
Brydenn33then rebooted back into Kubuntu12:58
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Brydenn33and there it was. perfect!12:58
Brydenn33everything mounted fine12:58
jende!pl12:58
ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl12:58
Brydenn33and i have full read/write access on the partition12:58
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: what are you having trouble with12:58
ubuntu_im trying to install kubuntu cause i didnt like ubuntu12:59
ubuntu_the intallation goes fine till it reaches the manually patition part12:59
ubuntu_and i get nothing12:59
ubuntu_a blank screen with no partitions12:59
Brydenn33is there a way to add what i said to some forum so people can do this too? that error bugged me for 4 days01:00
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: why don't you let it partition itself01:00
ubuntu_cause i got windows too01:00
jende!pl > przemek01:00
jende!pl01:01
ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl01:01
jendeprzemek: poland is there01:01
ubuntu_BonBon?01:02
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: ok, for linux you need 3 partitions, one ~150MB for /boot, one swap partition that is 2 times ram, and the rest for /01:02
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: you need patience, it takes time to type01:02
ubuntu_i dont need the /boot i didnt need it for ubuntu why should i need it for kubuntu01:02
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: ok, don't need /boot01:03
jendeBonBonTheJon: he is quite impatient, thats why I didn#t help at it's almost 1.30am here01:03
BonBonTheJonjende: where are you at01:03
jendeBonBonTheJon: Germany01:03
BonBonTheJonjende: where in Germany01:03
BonBonTheJonjende: which state (bundesland?)01:04
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jendeBonBonTheJon: lower saxony, 60k's south of hannover01:04
jendeBonBonTheJon: niedersachsen01:04
jende!install01:05
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues01:05
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: hows it coming01:05
jendeBonBonTheJon: where abouts are you?01:06
BonBonTheJonjende: Cincinnati01:06
jendeBonBonTheJon: how come that you speak german?01:07
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BonBonTheJonjende: I studied it in high school01:07
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jendeBonBonTheJon: cool01:07
BonBonTheJonjende: ja01:07
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jendeBonBonTheJon: alles okay in cincinnati?01:08
BonBonTheJonjende: es geht in cincinnati01:08
kenny75any italian here?01:08
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jende!it01:09
ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!01:09
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BonBonTheJonlol, I've been waiting for someone to either tell us to go to offtopic or -de01:09
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jendeBonBonTheJon: I'll be gone for a nap now-it's kinda late anyway01:10
ubuntu_im being patient will someone put some effort in helping me?01:10
BonBonTheJonjende: Guten Abend.01:10
jendeBonBonTheJon: danke schn, bis morgen01:10
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: what step are you on01:10
BonBonTheJonjende: danke01:10
ubuntu_manually patition hard drive and the next one is blank where it should contain the patitions to choose from01:11
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: you need to create two partitions01:11
BonBonTheJonubu01:12
ubuntu_did that01:12
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: so you have one swap that is twice the amount of memory and the rest is /01:12
ubuntu_yes plus other windows partitions01:13
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BonBonTheJonubun01:14
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: ok, so you are good to continue01:14
ubuntu_nope i cant see my partitions in the partition stage even though it already scanned for them01:15
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: you need to save the partition table01:15
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ubuntu_how do i do that?01:15
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: there should be buttons at the bottom of the screen01:15
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ubuntu_its "go back" "continue" and "cancel" basta01:16
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: continue01:17
ubuntu_noting comes up after i click on continue01:17
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: what is on the screen01:18
ubuntu_nothing but the cancel button and its showing the circle indicating its working on something and thats been going on for like forever01:19
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: any words on the screen01:19
campbchis it possible to set up a printer on a server in the network, ie //apollo/apts? i've been trying printer>add in the dialogue, and it can't locate it01:19
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: are you using the live CD01:19
ubuntu_make sure to allocate space for a root partition "/" and bla bla bla01:19
ubuntu_yes i am01:19
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: when you created the partition did you tell it the mount point was /01:20
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: did you make the swap as type swap01:21
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: and did you make the other ext3 as /01:21
ubuntu_well that is the stage im waiting for like in ubuntu but it never showed up thats when i click on manually partition01:21
Dr_willisPumpkin Computers -->  http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/10/pumpkin_compute.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B4898489001:21
Dr_willis:)01:21
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BonBonTheJonubuntu_: do you still have ubuntu installed?01:22
sacha_hello01:22
ubuntu_no i formatted its partition so i could install kubuntu alone01:22
Dr_willisHowdy01:22
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: well then01:23
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ubuntu_lol i get it01:23
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ubuntu_sorry bon01:24
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: recheck your partitions01:24
ubuntu_sure ill do that01:24
ubuntu_thanks bon and sorry again if i was impatient01:24
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: that error would imply you didn't specify a / partition01:24
BonBonTheJonubuntu_: I try to be helpful01:25
ubuntu_thanks bon ill try again01:25
ubuntu_over'n'out01:25
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cellofellowI got kxdocker to work finally. installed the new version from a third-party repo.01:29
cellofellowThe kxdocker in dapper is OLD01:29
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LjLcellofellow: what about just waiting until Edgy is out? it's got a newer version of it01:30
cellofellowLjL: how new?01:30
LjL!info kxdocker edgy01:30
ubotukxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB01:30
cellofellowLjL: that's what I installed. I'll remove the third-party version before I upgrade.01:30
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cellofellowAnybody think that openoffice.org is kind of a weird name?01:34
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cellofellowsounds like a website to me. OpenOffice sounds like a program01:36
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zordaI need some help.01:37
zordaand01:39
Brydenn33hey guys, is there a need to have a firewall in linux like there is in windows? if so, what one should i go with?01:39
zordaHAPPY BIRTHDAY KDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!01:39
KyralBrydenn33: technically no01:40
zordalol01:40
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zordafirewall?01:40
LjL!firewall > Brydenn3301:40
Kyraland all the Linux firewalls are frontends to Linux's built in Firewall, IPTables01:40
HawkwindBrydenn33: It all depends on your setup really01:40
Brydenn33k01:40
zordalinux is its own fire wall dude01:40
Brydenn33yah i see IPTables all over the place hehe01:40
Brydenn33ok01:40
Kyralthe ArchWiki has a nice simple Firewall setup01:40
Brydenn33was just curious01:40
Hawkwindzorda: Not exactly01:40
KyralIs quite nice for home systems01:40
zordayea but01:41
zordaif you get hackers up your box your really not going to stop them01:41
HawkwindBrydenn33: ipkungfu is a good one, written by trappist here in this channel, and you can sudo apt-get install ipkungfu if you want to use it :)01:41
Kyral....excuse me?01:41
Hawkwindzorda: Again, not true01:41
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Brydenn33yah Hawkwind i heard its still pretty beta though01:41
HawkwindBrydenn33: Far from beta01:42
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KyralYou misunderstand me01:42
Brydenn33Federal Booty Inspector?01:42
KyralI am a Hacker as defined by RMS01:42
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zordaI am a windows hacker01:42
KyralWhat you mean is a Black-Hat Hacker or Cracker01:42
zordaand i feel like a noob here01:42
KyralIt ain't hard to Crack windows01:42
zordanope nope01:43
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HawkwindThough this conversation really needs to be in #Kubuntu-Offtopic01:43
Brydenn33lol01:43
Kr4t05Does anyone know how I could make #beryl my default WM?01:43
Brydenn33ok lets go talk there Hawkwind ;)01:43
Kr4t05beryl*01:43
zordahmm i need somehelp01:43
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zordahow do i get all my muisca nd vids and everthing to my linux drive?01:44
zordaits all in windows encriped files01:44
otaku-sanKr4t05: I saw something on that...I think you have to manually do it tho' still01:44
zordais there any way?01:44
HawkwindKr4t05: Have you talked to the guys in #Beryl ?  I bet they could tell you real quick01:45
Brydenn33what did you encrypt them with zorda01:45
Kr4t05Hawkwind: I did, and the guy who was helping me pinged out. :/01:45
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zordacome one some one tell me01:47
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vryoanyone know why when i ping i can see my server but when i type the url it shows an error?01:47
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vryofirefox = no show, ping hostname = show01:48
Delphinuswhat error are you getting/01:49
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Delphinuswith firefox01:49
vryounable to connect01:50
vryohttp://edee.ath.cx/01:50
zordadanm it anyone know a server too rizon?01:50
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Brydenn33Kyral: so what point is there in installing a front end if the os already has a built in firewall?01:50
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vryoim trying to connect it to the web but i cant seem to find the problem01:51
zordaim srating to miss all the user friendly crap ;-;01:51
Delphinusare you running a webserver on this box vryo01:51
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vryoyeah01:51
Delphinusapache?01:51
vryoyea01:51
KyralBrydenn33: because IPTables is a PITA to learn, but once mastered is VERY powerful01:51
Delphinusdo you have a gui on this box? kde or something/01:51
Delphinusor just ssh?01:52
Brydenn33well it comes pre-configured i assume01:52
vryoi flushed iptables, forwarded ports. naw im using the server version01:52
Brydenn33i really dont have much to worry about then right?01:52
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vryoim sshed into rite now using my lan ip01:52
KyralBrydenn33: noper :P01:52
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Delphinusif you type the lan ip into your browser does it connect?01:52
KyralBrydenn33: thats because nothing listens in Linux by default01:53
vryoyeah but not the wan01:53
Delphinusis it behind a firewall?01:53
vryoumm no i dont think so01:53
Delphinusand how many real world IP's do you have?01:53
Delphinusdo you use a router?01:53
Delphinusie how does iti connect to the internet01:53
vryoyeah i use a router01:53
Delphinusok the router is your firewall01:53
vryoWAN>router>server01:53
Delphinusyou have to forward port 80 to your server box01:53
vryoyeah i did01:53
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vryoi turned off all the other forwards just incase01:54
tanubishere's a basic question: what are some good repositories to add to a default install of Kubuntu (dapper) sources.list?01:54
Delphinusanothing thing to note, you will prob not be able to access the box using the WAN ip01:54
vryotanubis, yeah http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper01:54
Delphinusbut it looks like your port forwarding might be set up slightly wrong01:54
vryocheck the way bottom01:54
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Kr4t05tanubis: uni/multiverse, Seveas's, back-ports, etc.01:55
Delphinusvryo: you will prob need both the NAT rule and a firewall rule01:55
Delphinusbecause since you can access the webserver via you lan the server itself is set up fine01:56
Delphinusbut the issues are when we try and connect to it via WAN01:56
Delphinusie thru the router01:56
Delphinusas your router acts as a firewall01:56
tanubiskr4t05 all of those seem to be for breezy, we have dapper instead.  Trying to add a bigger library because the program list is very small.01:56
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tanubis!xine01:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:57
Kr4t05tanubis: Seveas's is for dapper.01:57
zordacan you dual screen on ubounto?01:57
tanubisok, thanks01:57
Kr4t05!source-o-matic > tanubis01:57
SeveasKr4t05, breezy and edgy as well01:57
Delphinuszorda: do you mean have dual monitors?01:57
BonBonTheJonzorda: it is possible01:57
zordayea01:57
troyI hope that the koffice 1.6 packages for edgy amd64 get fixed sometime01:57
Kr4t05Seveas: Of course01:57
Delphinusi'd like to work that out myself :P01:57
vryoi have a thomson firewall, and it has only 3 sections under the firewall table. ToD(Time of day) filter/web filter/event log01:58
vryounder the web filter the firewall protection isnt enabled01:58
vryoi mean thomson router01:58
Delphinusi'm unfamiliar with thomson gear sorry01:58
Delphinusbut i'm 99% sure thats where the issue lies01:58
vryoyeah, aiite thanks for your help01:59
Delphinusnp :)01:59
zordacan i get limewire or sometthing simmaler on this thing?01:59
teledyntanubis: /msg ubotu mplayer01:59
BonBonTheJonzorda: you can install limewire on linux02:00
Kr4t05Is /usr/share/xsessions the proper place for kde/beryl/gnome.desktop?02:00
zordai can ok02:00
zordathanks02:00
otaku-sanwhy not frostwire?02:00
BonBonTheJonzorda: bittorrent is better though02:01
zordayea but i like it02:01
zordai can get what i want fast02:01
zordabittorent is SLOW02:01
zordafor me anyway02:01
zordai got shity cable02:02
zordacan i cuss here?02:02
LjL!language02:02
zorda!ok sorry02:02
BonBonTheJonzorda: nope02:02
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.02:02
zordagotya02:02
zordaso on limewire i want the other instal right?02:02
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tanubisKr4t05 : thanks02:03
teledynKr4t05: dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop02:04
zordaBonBontheJon: do you know?02:04
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BonBonTheJonzorda: what do you mean 'other install'?02:04
zordai have a windows online install02:04
zordaa windows offline02:05
zordaMac osx02:05
zordalinux RPM02:05
zordamac classic02:05
zordaand a os2 soaris linux one02:05
teledyn!enter02:05
ubotuPlease don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.02:05
BonBonTheJonzorda: download the RPM, but you need to install alien02:05
vryoDelphinus, can u tell me if you see anything http://edee.ath.cx plz?02:05
zordaalien?02:05
zordaim sorry i such a noob02:06
bmolimewire is bad for your computer.  get rid of it02:06
Delphinustitl?02:06
zordabrno02:06
vryoyes!02:06
Delphinusnice work :D02:06
zordaif you think it is bad02:06
vryothank you it works02:06
BonBonTheJonzorda: alien converts RPM into DEB02:06
HawkwindIt's highly recommended *not* to use alien02:06
HawkwindAlien is very very dangerous and will probably break many things02:06
Delphinusvryo: got a title but nothing else loaded yet02:06
BonBonTheJonHawkwind: how would you install Limewire02:06
teledyni use alien02:06
StriderSomeone mind helping me... I'm a complete linux/kubuntu newb and I'm trying to install firefox (I dislike using konquerer), but it's not extracting correctly.02:06
Hawkwind!limewire02:06
ubotulimewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.02:06
HawkwindStrider: sudo apt-get install firefox  from a terminal02:07
zordaFrostwire?02:07
teledynits actually i think more and more safer probably because of LSB02:07
HawkwindStrider: You need to make sure you have all the repos enabled as well02:07
zordais it as big as lime?02:07
zordai mean02:07
StriderOkay..02:07
Hawkwind!frostwire | zorda02:07
ubotuzorda: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire02:07
zordaah02:07
zordait is gnut02:07
vryoo really?02:07
vryoits supposed to be like a messed up version of wordpress, i was testing out a css02:08
Delphinusvryo: its hanging on transferring data02:08
Delphinustry a very basic hello world page, see if that loads02:08
zordaTo will explain how to install the free P2P Gnutella client called FrostWire02:08
JontyIsn't LimeWire open source anyway?02:09
zordayea02:09
otaku-sanit has something that doesn't make it really opensource02:09
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StriderI didn't think so... you can buy a version of limewire at best buy02:09
vryoDelphinus: how bout now?02:09
teledynwhat about gift?02:09
Jontyotaku-san: what's that?02:09
otaku-sango to frostwires site and they explain02:09
teledynit handles gnutella02:09
Jontyoh02:09
Delphinusvryo: nothing now, no connection :P02:09
teledynand you don't need java crap to run it02:10
vryoDelphinus: dohhh..02:10
Jontyoh, is it just that it uses java?02:10
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teledynapt-cache search gift02:10
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Delphinusvryo: before you asked me to try again, it finally managed to load a page, but had no CSS or anything02:11
JontyOh, I see, DRM02:11
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zordahmm02:12
zordaok welllllll02:12
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zordaatleast ubunto makes it easy to instal02:12
vryoDelphinus: i just restarted the server. did u happen to see the words 'Helllo world?'02:13
Delphinusyes perfectly P:D02:13
DelphinusHelllo world?02:13
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zordaHey does any one know if i can my window encoded files on ubunto?02:13
vryohaha yes ok i think its working ok now thanks again02:13
BonBonTheJon!w32codec | zorda02:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about w32codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:14
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BonBonTheJon!w32codecs | zorda02:14
ubotuzorda: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:14
zordaso i put that in my comadline?02:14
BonBonTheJonzorda: you need to install w32codecs02:14
zordaand i get that where?02:15
teledynzorda: who are you asking?  what are you asking now?02:15
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BonBonTheJonzorda: in adept install w32codecs02:15
teledynBonBonTheJon: what on earth do w32codecs have to do with a gnutella client?  or am i on the wrong planet?02:16
zordaadept?02:16
maverickBonBonTheJon: what repository do i need to enable in order to access w32codecs package02:16
maverickas it's not in my list...02:16
BonBonTheJonteledyn: he asked about playing windows format media02:16
zordaI AM SO SORRY ABOUT MY NOOB NESS02:16
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teledynBonBonTheJon: earlier he was asking about a gnutella client.  i'm lost02:16
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teledynsorry02:16
BonBonTheJonmaverick, zorda follow the instructions02:17
BonBonTheJon!mp302:17
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:17
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maverickno i have p302:17
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teledynzorda: type the nick of the person you are talking to, so it limits the confusion02:17
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mavericklibxine-extracodecs02:17
zordayes sir02:17
mavericki thought of others like WMA02:17
BonBonTheJonmaverick, zorda: you need w32codecs02:17
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BonBonTheJonzorda: I think you need multiverse02:18
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zordaBonBonTheJon: its mp2 but its in windows files02:19
zordamp302:19
BonBonTheJonzorda: install w32codecs and see if that works02:19
CVirus!mp302:20
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:20
CViruszorda: ^02:20
zordaBonBonTheJon:  ok what im really asking is how do i get in to my windows harddrive02:20
BonBonTheJonzorda: oh, is it ntfs or fat3202:20
zordantfs02:20
maverick0-o02:20
CVirus!fat3202:20
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse02:20
BonBonTheJonzorda: you can read ntfs but you cant write02:21
BluesKajzorda: see the system menu beside the ki-menu ?02:21
BonBonTheJon!ntfs02:21
CViruszorda: ^02:21
BluesKajclick on Storage media02:21
maverickYou can write ntfs if u use ntfs-3g package wgich is still beta and not guranteed to work on ur machine02:21
CVirus!ntfs02:21
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse02:21
CVirusweird02:22
zordaki menu?02:22
BonBonTheJonzorda: k-menu02:22
zordai got a Aps places and system02:22
BonBonTheJonzorda: places02:22
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sorush20can dd work on a mounted partition?02:23
zordaBonBonTheJon: and where now?02:23
zordaBonBonTheJon:  i have 2 hds one is ubunto and oone is windows02:23
zordaall the comp slang is mostly the same here right?02:24
BonBonTheJonzorda: you need to install support for ntfs, then mount it, then you need w32codecs to read the WMAs02:24
zordai dont use wma02:24
zordaBonBonTheJon: where do i get the support?02:25
BonBonTheJon!ntfs | zorda02:25
ubotuzorda: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse02:25
maverickzorda: i guess the bot did the job ^02:26
zordaumm02:26
zordathis will still work with 2 hds right?02:26
Delphinusvryo: i found the problem :)02:26
zordaits not a partion02:27
BonBonTheJonzorda: the hard drive has partitions on it02:27
Delphinusvryo: you still round?02:27
BonBonTheJonzorda: in Windows' case, it is one giant partition02:27
maverickzorda: mount whtever partiton you want that exists on whatever HD u have...02:27
zordaBonBonTheJon: i have 2 hds i put the second 250gig in my self02:27
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zordawindows has a 180 gig for its self02:28
zordaand all of my info is there02:28
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astronautewhen installing dual winXP and kubuntu, its better to install windows first or no ?02:29
Delphinusvryo: you need to check your links, if you view the source everything links to 192.168.0.16, which isn't going to work for anyone not on your home network :)02:29
T3hWiz0rdis the edgy kernel gonna be a bit more fster than the current? i've noticed a bit of lag.02:29
NightBirdhm... can kubuntu read from/write to ntfs partitions fine?02:30
unix_infidelT3hWiz0rd: ive noticed no such lag.02:30
unix_infidelmaybe you should just compile your own.02:30
T3hWiz0rdunix_infidel: when i switch between desktops its a bit laggy02:30
zordaastronaute:  id say ku02:30
unix_infidelT3hWiz0rd: that has nothing to do with the kernel dudestrer02:30
maverickNightBird: as i said before there exists a package called "Ntfs-3g" tha's still beta and is not guranteed to work in all cases...02:30
zordaastronaute:  couse it will take over your boot anyway02:30
BonBonTheJonzorda: do this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read_only02:31
NightBirdI know that one of the ntfs projects has gotten to the point where it can read from and write to ntfs without destroying the system...02:31
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astronautezorda even if winXP is installed after it, grub wil boot first ?02:31
astronauteload02:31
BonBonTheJonastronaute: Install Windows and then Kubuntu02:31
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BonBonTheJonastronaute: install grub in the MBR02:32
astronautegreat, 2 opposite responses ^^02:32
BonBonTheJonzorda: did you get my link02:32
dec_got a question: I want to burn some mp3 songs on cd to play in my car audio player any program in mind?02:33
flacciddec_: k3b02:33
Hawkwinddec_: k3b02:33
maverickNightBird: i don't use windows but i've tried Ntfs-3g and yes it worked flawlesly...02:33
NightBirdmaverick, I see02:33
dec_when I use k3b it says unrecognized format "mp3"02:33
BonBonTheJonzorda, NightBird: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ntfs-3g02:34
flaccid!mp3 > dec02:34
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NightBirdthat is definitly good news as I currently have 1tb+ of ntfs partitioned disk storage... and I don't really want to lose any of it02:34
flaccid!mp3 > dec_02:34
bimberiastronaute: casting vote: windows first :)02:34
astronautentfs write support is really risky ?02:34
dec_yes mp3 and i want to convert so i can play in my car cd playe02:34
flacciddec_: you need to install mp3 as per the link provided02:34
Hawkwinddec_: Nothing to convert.  Burn them with k3b and it does it for you02:34
astronauteyes im installing windows first actually, its for my gf, i prefer debian =)02:34
BonBonTheJonastronaute: its in beta, which means it works for the most part, but there can be problems02:34
zordaBonBonTheJon: Thanks alot man02:34
flaccidso you can decode02:35
flaccidHawkwind: i believe he wants mp3 > cda02:35
astronauteBonBonTheJon yes i understand, dotn care about problems, but just dont want to loose data you see =)02:35
Hawkwindflaccid: As I stated, he doesn't need that02:35
Hawkwindflaccid: If he uses k3b it will burn it in a file format that his car will play02:35
dec_it just comes up unsupported format without a link02:35
BonBonTheJonastronaute: no one wants to lose data :)02:36
Delphinusdec_:  i think you need something to decode the MP3 so k3b can then read it and burn to cd02:36
zorda!mp302:36
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HawkwindDelphinus: No you don't.  k3b does all of that for you by default02:37
zordaok know where do i get a decoder for mp3?02:37
dec_hawkwind how? when i select to burn audio cd and drag the mp3 files it says unsupported format02:37
BonBonTheJonDelphinus, dec_: you need libk3b2-mp302:37
zordaand what the heck isnt it there alreaty>02:37
BonBonTheJonzorda: install libxine-extracodecs02:37
zordawhere?02:38
zordais it?02:38
zordaim sorry about my major noobness02:38
maverickzorda, run this in the command line02:38
flaccidHawkwind: what format is that?02:38
mavericksudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs02:38
zordaBonBonTheJon:  i cant pm with you02:38
flaccidHawkwind: how does it decode the mp3?02:39
otaku-sanzorda: don't worry...we're all n00b02:39
zordaBonBonTheJon: vate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems02:39
BonBonTheJonzorda: ok, you need to include universe and multiverse in your sources.list02:40
abattoir!info libk3b2-mp302:40
ubotulibk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 96 kB02:40
abattoirdec_: ^^^^ make sure you have that installed02:40
dec_I tried to install it is temporarily unavailable02:40
Hawkwindflaccid: That I don't know.  I have only ogg formatted files on my pc and I burn audio CD's all the time and they play in every player I put them in.  Even some that are 15+ years old02:40
abattoirdec_: then make sure you have universe/multiverse enabled02:41
abattoirdec_: universe, specifically02:41
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BluesKaj! info libxine-extracodecs02:41
ubotulibxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB02:41
flaccidHawkwind: thats why. can't decode mp3 without a codec...02:41
maverickZorda: do u know how to enable multiverse/universe ??02:41
abattoir!multiverse02:41
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu02:41
flaccidHawkwind: can decode ogg as ogg is supported out of the box02:42
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zordaback02:43
zordamaverick:  np02:43
zordamaverick:  no02:44
Hawkwindflaccid: It does the same with mp3 as well02:44
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CaBlGuY!seti02:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seti - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:44
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CaBlGuY!BIONIC02:44
Hawkwindflaccid: I just sat here and tested it as we were speaking.  I ripped a cd to mp3 format, used k3b to burn it and it plays in all 6 players I have here and in both vehicles02:44
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about BIONIC - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:44
BonBonTheJonzorda: you need to enable universe02:44
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CaBlGuY!S.E.T.I.02:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about S.E.T.I. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:45
zordahow?02:45
m4v3rick /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password02:45
CaBlGuY!SETI02:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about SETI - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:45
BonBonTheJon!easysource | zorda02:45
ubotuzorda: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic02:45
HawkwindCaBlGuY: Feel free to do that in pm so you don't disrupt the channel02:45
CaBlGuYhMMMMM02:45
zorda!BF202:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about BF2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:45
CaBlGuYI'm lookin for seti there smartazz..02:45
CaBlGuY:/02:45
zorda!BFG02:45
m4v3rick /msg NickServ02:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about BFG - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:45
m4v3rick /NickServ02:46
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zorda!waterfiltraion02:46
flaccidHawkwind: doesn't he want to burn audio cd and not mp3 cd?02:46
HawkwindCaBlGuY: That was totally uncalled for.  Please use the bot in PM if you don't know what you're searching for02:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about waterfiltraion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:46
Hawkwindzorda: Please stop02:47
Hawkwindflaccid: In k3b you select audio cd.  It does it all for you02:47
CaBlGuYHawkwind:  Ummm   I know what im lookin for the genios..02:47
CaBlGuYgenious even..02:47
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flaccidHawkwind: i know that but you said 'ripped a cd to mp3 format'02:47
HawkwindCaBlGuY: Enough of the name calling02:47
CaBlGuYnvm02:47
BonBonTheJonzorda: did you follow the link for source-o-matic02:47
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CaBlGuYblow me02:47
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zordaBonBonTheJon:  how do i use that website?02:48
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BonBonTheJonzorda: what country are you in02:48
zordaBonBonTheJon: usa02:48
Hawkwindflaccid: I ripped it, then burned it with k3b.  I've done both ogg and mp3.  k3b takes care of everything for you is the point02:48
StriderWhat's the KDE equivelant of gedit?02:48
otaku-santhen do us02:48
abattoirStrider: kate02:48
HawkwindStrider: kate, kwrite02:48
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Hawkwindmaverick_: Please stop changing nicks02:49
flaccidHawkwind: you don't say.....02:49
Hawkwindflaccid: I do say :P02:49
otaku-santhe letters "us" that  is02:49
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Hawkwindflaccid: It's done it for years.  It converts it to what it needs to play anywhere02:49
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gnomefreakoops02:49
flaccidthere is a difference between a data and audio cd02:49
HawkwindLOL gnomefreak02:49
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BonBonTheJonzorda: change your version to dapper02:49
zordaso what do i do with this code?02:49
vryoDelphinus: o sorry about that, i was taking care of business  :-) i have to probably change the setting in wordpress huh?02:49
zordai have dapper02:49
BonBonTheJonzorda: enter us as country code02:49
Hawkwindflaccid: I never onced mentioned data cd either in any of my sentences02:50
zordai did02:50
zordaand i entered my sys stats too02:50
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flaccidHawkwind: no such thing as an mp3 format cd - thats data02:50
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BonBonTheJonzorda: I'll paste bin a sources.list for you, can you open /etc/apt/sources.list as root02:50
flaccidyou probably meant audio02:50
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zordadanm why is this so painfull02:51
zordasorry02:51
zordabut why isnt mp3 a reguler thing in drapper?02:51
BonBonTheJonzorda: legal reasons02:51
abattoir!mp302:51
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:51
zordaWHAT02:51
flaccidmp3 is not free02:51
BonBonTheJonzorda: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27911/02:51
zordaoh02:52
zordalol02:52
abattoirzorda: read the first para of the first link there02:52
zordai totaly forgot02:52
flacciddec_: fixed the problem yet?02:52
BonBonTheJonzorda: paste the text of that page in your sources.list02:52
BonBonTheJonzorda: make sure you are editing it as root02:52
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BonBonTheJonzorda: do you know how to do that02:53
flaccidHawkwind: do you have the mp3 codecs installed?02:53
Hawkwindflaccid: Again, I never mentioned data.  I stated, I burned a CD full of mp3's in k3b.  Meaning, I selected 'audio CD', then burned02:53
vryoflaccid: i just use xmms and easyubuntu02:53
Hawkwindflaccid: Again, if you burn with k3b either ogg or mp3, it will convert it accordingly so it plays in any player.  It has done so for years02:54
vryoflaccid: oops sorry02:54
flaccidHawkwind: when someone says 'burned a cd of full of mp3s' it could be data or audio02:54
flaccidHawkwind: do you have the mp3 codecs installed?02:54
zordaI HATE bing a noob agian _-_02:54
BonBonTheJonzorda: come on, we're here to help02:55
zordayea02:55
BonBonTheJonzorda: open the menu and click the run program02:55
zordawhere?02:55
zordai just did one of the code lines02:55
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BonBonTheJonzorda: huh?02:55
BluesKajbottom left on the desktop02:56
Hawkwindflaccid: Actually no it can't be a data cd.  You can not burn mp3s as data as data CD's have to be mounted, audio cd's don't get mounted02:56
Hawkwindflaccid: I'm sure I do as it installed it when I installed the distro02:56
BluesKajzorda, the Icon with the "K "02:56
zordai did the gpg crap02:56
flaccidHawkwind: that might explain why decoding mp3 worked for you02:57
zordano what?02:57
flaccidand yes you can burn mp3 to an iso9660 as data and play them again no problem02:57
zordai have no K im on ubunto02:57
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BonBonTheJonzorda: in the bottom left hand corner there should be a button for the menu02:58
zordaumm i got a butten to clear everthing02:58
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zordathats it02:58
TreznorHey folks.  Anyone have experience getting sound to work in an IBM T42?02:59
Jucato...02:59
BonBonTheJonzorda: what are you in02:59
unix_infidelTreznor: works outta the box.02:59
TreznorNot for me, sadly.02:59
TreznorWell, not with Edgy.02:59
zordaBonBonTheJon: ?03:00
zordaBonBonTheJon:  ubunto drapper drake03:01
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BonBonTheJonzorda: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?03:01
zordaUbunto03:01
zordaoh..shit..03:01
zordaX_X03:01
BonBonTheJonzorda: its ok, this is a universal thing03:01
Jucato:)03:02
Jucato#ubuntu03:02
zordaaaaahhh03:02
zordathak you03:02
BonBonTheJonzorda: we can still fix it here if you want, or ask on #ubuntu03:02
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zordaid liek to fix it here03:03
BonBonTheJonok03:03
flaccidHawkwind: try removing your mp3 codecs then doing it03:03
BonBonTheJonlook around in the mennu for a console, I dont know what its called in GNOME03:03
zordayou mean like the comand line?03:04
BluesKajppl still use gnome ? :)03:04
BonBonTheJonyeah03:04
BonBonTheJonzorda: got it open?03:05
Jucatozorda: Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal03:05
zordayea03:05
zorda i gotr tyit03:05
zordago it03:05
zorda.....................03:05
zordai have got it03:05
zordaopen03:05
BonBonTheJonzorda: ok, do 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'03:05
BonBonTheJonzorda: you will need to type in your password03:06
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BonBonTheJonzorda: tell me when thats ready03:06
zordaummmmm03:06
zordai cant type...03:06
BonBonTheJonzorda: ??03:06
BluesKajmaybe he doesn't have gedit installed03:07
JucatoO_o03:07
Jucatogedit is installed by default on Ubuntu03:07
zordai cant type most of the time but...03:07
BluesKajmaybe kate03:07
Jucato!gksudo03:07
ubotuIf you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using sudo {guiapp}03:07
zordai have buin puting all that stuff in03:07
BonBonTheJonBluesKaj: hes in GNOME and gedit is installed by defualt03:07
JucatoBonBonTheJon: what's he trying to do btw?03:08
BluesKajgnome eh , then why isn't he in #ubuntu03:08
BonBonTheJonJucato: he wants support for mp3, so he needs universe and multiverse enabled03:08
Jucatooh03:08
BonBonTheJonBluesKaj: I've got him this far, he'd have to re-ask the question03:08
zordaok i cant type with that line inputed03:09
Jucatozorda: you might find this guide useful for enabling multiverse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu03:09
Jucatobut it's all GUI (using Synaptic)03:09
Jucato:P03:09
BluesKajok bonbon03:09
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BonBonTheJonzorda: I need to go, follow that guide to enable multiverse, and other people hopefuly will help you03:09
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flaccidHawkwind: i believe i am right!03:09
zordaBonBonTheJon:  ok thanks for all the help dude03:10
BonBonTheJonzorda: I"ll be back in like 45 minutes if you still need help03:10
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zordaBonBonTheJon:  wont be here03:10
flacciddec_ has left the server, but he prolly needs to apt-get install libk3b2-mp303:11
zordadanm i tried of this linux is kubunto easer>03:11
Jucatoflaccid: to burn MP3's using K3b?03:11
flaccidJucato: to decode the mp3s for burn to audio cd03:12
Jucatooh03:13
flaccidso basically he is wrong and i am right :)03:13
zordawhy is this system so hard?03:13
flaccidzorda: whats hard sorry03:13
zordainsnt there anything easer?03:13
zordaubunto03:14
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Jucatozorda: have you tried the guide?03:14
Jucato!mp303:14
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:14
Jucatozorda: after enabling multiverse, follow that RestrictedFormats page to see what you codecs you need for MP303:14
flaccidzorda: what is difficult?03:14
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zordathe hole  os03:16
flaccid!libk3b2-mp3 > flaccid03:16
zordaim just so used to windows03:16
zordai can do it03:16
zordabut its just painfull03:16
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flaccid!libk3b2-mp3 > Hawkwind03:17
zordasorry for emobitiching on you guys03:17
flaccidtis what the channel is for03:18
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flaccidsometimes hehe03:18
flaccidjust ask specific questions to get specific answers03:19
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campbch_anyone here know C or know of a channel where i could ask a c related question?03:19
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carrera594hey03:20
flaccidcampbch_: ##c03:20
flaccidhi03:20
campbch_keeps telling me it can't send to channel03:21
carrera594who here is able to use a WG121 Wireless Adapter with Ubuntu or Kubuntu03:21
Jucatocampbch_: maybe only registered nicks are allowed to?03:21
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campbch_? i registered03:22
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flaccidcould be moderated chan03:22
campbch_...03:22
Jucatothat too03:22
zordaohhh03:22
zordai know why its so hard03:22
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flaccidseems ok to me03:22
zordacouse they arnt usinf trums i understand03:22
campbch_well anyways, if i cant get help there where should i go? i have some questions about errors the compiler is turning up that can't possibly be right03:22
flaccidzorda: trums?03:23
JucatoI think he meant "they are using terms..."03:23
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flaccidah terms03:23
flaccidonce your terms are adjusted its mad03:23
Jucatocampbch_: which nick is registered? campbch_  or campbch (if you have one)03:23
campbch_ok, the first time it went it forwarded to some other channel, it was the wrong one03:24
campbch_nvm03:24
Jucatoheh03:24
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flaccidcampbch_: ##c and not #c03:24
Jucatoflaccid: is there a C++ channel?03:25
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flaccidnot sure03:25
Jucato:)03:26
atticstormAll have you seen on the Gnome (ubuntu) side of thing that with laptops there are blue lines on the buttons that disapear when the mouse pointer is waived over them.  Do you know how to corect this issue?03:26
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flaccidatticstorm: as kin #ubuntu03:26
Jucatoohayou seishinbyou! :)03:26
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atticstormflaccid, posted there, have not gotten a bite.  They wonder if they are not as helpful.03:27
seishinbyou03:27
seishinbyouThat is to say, good morning03:27
Jucato:)03:27
Jucatoseishinbyou: I couldn't see the text :P03:27
flaccidatticstorm: could be a video/driver issue03:27
seishinbyouMy encoding might be borked03:27
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Jucatoseishinbyou: no. coz I'm on XChat on XP probably hehehe03:28
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seishinbyouStill, though, with JIS, SJIS, EUC, and UTF-8, there are so many wonderful ways for encodings to mismatch03:28
atticstormflaccid, seen on two different laptops but they both have ATI cards.  Do not see this on the KDE side.  Wonder if I shoud try the "ATI" drivers.03:28
flaccidatticstorm: i would try that first and if problem persists could be a gnome/gtk issue03:29
vgehow badly i can mess up with dpkg-reconfigure -a :)03:30
atticstormflaccid:  Thanks will give it a go, appreciate the help.03:30
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flaccidnp03:31
campbch_hey, i tried to open skim but it doesnt let me do anything with it...03:31
Jucatovge: err... a lot? :P03:31
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Jucatoflaccid: found my own answer: ##c++ :)03:32
vgehmm, i somehow managed to cancel it, reboot and pray for the best :D03:32
flaccidah cool03:33
Jucatovge: has it already reconfigure lots of stuff?03:33
max0can anyone help with Wine in here? noone in the WineHQ channel is respionding03:33
vgeJucato: i think i made pretty mutch the right choises03:33
Jucatovge: ah ok. good luck then :)03:33
dudejucato ! flaccid !03:34
seishinbyoumax0> I had some experience with wine.03:35
Jucatomorning dude :)03:35
flaccidsup03:35
dudemorning . . .03:35
flaccidafternoon03:35
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dude:)03:35
Delphinusevening :)03:35
Kermitelloz03:35
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Kermitanyone wanna help me setup my grub?03:35
Kermitcant get the damn thing to load my windows properly :/03:36
flaccidKermit: whats the problem03:36
vgesee ya soon03:36
flaccidactually ciggie brb03:36
Kermiti modified the grub config03:36
Kermitbut im not sure im doing it correctly03:36
max0seishinbyou: im trying to run photoshop cs and when i try to run it i get this http://pastebin.ca/21622103:36
Dr_willisand where is your windows install located? :)03:36
Kermitprimary hdd on the first ide is the kubuntu hdd, secondary hdd on the OTHER ide is windows03:37
Kermiti just installed kubuntu03:37
dudeDr_willis hello03:37
Kermitso there are no settings done anywhere..03:37
Dr_williswas windows originally installed to this drive? or did you move the drive?03:37
Kermitumm, no, its a fresh kubuntu install on the primary03:37
Kermitand secondary is just my old windows hdd03:37
Kermitboth boot fine03:37
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Shadow_milhi03:38
Dr_willisso you MOVED the windows drive from hda to hdc ?  what do ya mean both boot.. :P you sort of said you had problems..03:38
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Shadow_milhi?03:38
Kermiti can boot the windows fine if i unplug the kubuntu :P03:38
Kermitno, i did no moving03:38
Kermiti installed kubuntu, and plugged in the windows hdd03:39
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Dr_willisso youve always had windows on the 2nd ide controller... thats.. odd. :P03:39
Jucatoer...03:39
vgesaved ^^03:39
Kermitlol03:39
Kermithttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27917/03:39
Kermitthats my grub config03:39
Shadow_milany advice on upgrading from dapper to edgy on kubuntu?03:40
seishinbyoumax0> Did you read the winedb threads on Photoshop CS? http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1815  (I haven't tried it personally, so I don't know about installing that)03:40
flaccidKermit: so grub loads?03:40
Kermityeah03:40
Kermitgrub WORKS03:40
Kermiti just cant get it to load the windows hdd03:40
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max0yes03:40
Dr_willisthe   /boot/grub/menu.lst   has an example to boot windows.03:40
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Dr_willisyou just need to set the hd(XX.XX) right. :)03:40
Kermitmine is exactly that example03:40
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Kermithow do i make sure of that hd(xx,xx) ?03:41
Dr_williswhats your exact hard drive layouts..  grub enumerates them diffrently.03:41
flaccidKermit: pastebin your sudo fdisk -l03:41
Ahmuck!dev03:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:41
Jucatoshouldn't there be a "chainloader" line for the Windows section?03:41
Ahmuck!make03:41
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)03:41
Dr_willisit skips cd's so  it depends on the # of hd's03:41
Ahmuck!header03:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about header - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:41
Ahmuck!gnu03:42
ubotuG(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org03:42
Ahmuck!g++03:42
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)03:42
Kermithttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27918/ <-- my fdisk -l03:42
JucatoAhmuck: please just /msg ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for or if you have multiple queries. thanks :)03:42
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Kermitsorry guys, im just getting into kubuntu, so my knowledge is slack..03:43
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Kermitdoes the fdisk help03:43
hazard2Ok...03:43
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hazard2So how would I run a .jar?03:43
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Kermitflaccid: ?03:44
Ahmuckin a canner03:44
flaccidKermit: try the chainloader for the windows entry as you might have mbr on the windows disk. thats about all i can suggest myself. and also try #grub03:44
JucatoKermit: err.. Linux is on hdb1, and Windows is on hdc1 ?03:44
Kermityes Jucato03:45
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JucatoKermit: that's it won't work... hdb1 = (hd1,0) and hdc1 = (hd2,0)03:45
Jucatos/that's it/that's why it03:46
Kermitwhen i tried making it hd2,0 it said hdd not found03:46
Kermitor something along those lines..03:46
Jucatohm...03:46
flaccidits order of disks03:46
Jucatostrange then...03:46
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Jucatoanyway, there should also be a "chainloader +1" line in the Windows section03:47
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flaccidhdb1 != 1,003:47
Kermitso just adding chainload+1 should fix it?03:47
Jucatoflaccid: err sorry :)03:47
Ahmucksorry, hazard2 ask again, i am in a so so mood this evening, don't pay attention to me03:48
Kermitoh, chainloader is there, i see it just didnt copy it in the link..03:48
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flaccidKermit: you can also try sudo update-grb03:48
flaccidupdate-grub03:48
Kermithttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27920/ <-- this is my current grub config03:49
flaccidsee if that does the windows entry. can't remember if it does03:49
hazard2How would I go about running a .jar file? a java application? jave -jar [jarname]  says something about can't find gtk.GtkToolkit03:49
hazard2(I'm in the process of seeing if I'm missing something related to java and gtk)03:49
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KermitSearching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub03:49
KermitTesting for an existing GRUB menu.list file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst03:49
KermitSearching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...03:49
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KermitFound kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-38603:49
KermitFound kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin03:49
KermitUpdating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done03:49
hazard2but I'm not sure if I'm even trying to start it right in the first place.03:49
Kermiteek, sorry.03:49
hazard2lol03:49
JucatoKermit: please use pastebin. thanks03:50
Jucato:)03:50
Kermityarr, soz03:50
Kermitany other ideas?03:50
Kermitwindows does have its own bootloader installed03:50
Kermitlike the default one for windows..03:50
flaccidthen it should just be the chainloader03:50
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Kermitthe chainloader was there :/03:51
Kermiti just didnt copy right to the end03:51
Kermitsee http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27920/03:51
xsachawhat's a good program for burning cds other than cdrecord? (it's not working)03:51
flaccidKermit: try #grub or read the #grub manual / google examples03:51
Jucatoxsacha: K3b03:52
xsachak03:52
flaccidk3b is just a frontend to cdrecord?03:52
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xsacha:(03:52
Jucatoprobably :)03:52
xsachathe frontends wont work03:52
flaccidas well03:53
flaccidah well03:53
flaccidto arise to a solution, the problem must be known03:53
flaccidwont work = 100000000 possible reasons03:54
xsachaunsolvable, i just need another backend03:54
Jucato:P03:54
flacciddo you even know why its not working?03:55
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xsachayes :|03:55
flaccidwhat is it03:55
Kermit#grub is dead :(03:55
T3hWiz0rdKermit: you think its dead, join #lilo03:56
Kermitlol03:56
flaccidKermit: yeah pity hey03:56
Kermiti need grub help tho :/03:56
xsachait fails, doesn't like this kernel03:56
T3hWiz0rdlilo boot loader is never used anymore03:56
Kermiti have a primary hdd with the grub bootloader and kubuntu installed, and a secondary hdd on the other ide with windows and the default windows bootloader, but i cant seem to get grub to load my windows hdd, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27920/ is my grub config and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27918/ is my fdisk -l, please can someone tell me what im doing wrong?03:56
Kermitwell theres my problem, if anyone has any ideas..03:56
flaccidwhy repeat your question, Kermit03:56
flaccidhave you read the grub manual yet?03:57
Kermitprehaps someone who just joined has some ideas..03:57
Kermityeah i did03:57
Kermitbefore i came here03:57
Kermitthis == last resort03:57
Dr_willismake entries in grub with all the possible hdXX entrys. :) and see what one works..03:57
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Ash-FoxSomebody PLEASE, reccommend me a mail client that supports filters, folders, graphical that isn't the following: kmail, opera, gnumail, evolution, thunderbird.03:57
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Dr_willisAsh-Fox,  gee aint you picky03:57
Dr_willisnight all03:57
flaccidor even better, try it from the grub console on boot so you don't have to reboot many times03:57
Kermithmm, well it should be hd(x,0) right Dr_willis?03:57
Ash-FoxDr_willis, they all have problems :P03:58
Dr_willisAsh-Fox,  EVERYTHING has problems....03:58
flaccidi thought 1,0 was correct03:58
Kermitcause then i have tried 0,1,2 and 303:58
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Kermitso did i03:58
Dr_willisit pays to read up on how grub works. :)03:58
Ash-FoxDr_willis, locking up, bad imap/pop3 support aren't things I can work around03:58
Dr_williswell night all.03:58
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flaccidAsh-Fox: what is wrong with those mail clients?03:58
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Jucato(not perfect enough... :P)03:58
flaccidi use opera with about 14 mail accounts and it works fine03:59
hazard2can kaffine play aac files?03:59
hazard2I mean, is there a plugin for kaffine for aac files?03:59
Ash-Foxflaccid, okay, well evolution just likes to crash on certain e-mails. kmail's pop3 kio slave is somewhat broken, it sometimes doesn't complete a pop3 mail download for some obscure reason, I don't know. imap support in kmail causes subfolders to display in the root. thunderbird freezes up constantly, probably due to the huge amount of spam I have. I have to wait sometimes 20 mintes for it to unfreeze.. gnumail, I can't stand the interface,04:00
Ash-Foxopera can't handle my long mail password and refuse to shorten it04:00
Ash-Foxflaccid, good enough reasons?04:01
flaccidAsh-Fox: opera doesn't allow you to put in the long password ie. char restriction in the box?04:01
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Ash-Foxchar restriction in the box? <- pretty much04:01
campbch__:p04:01
campbch__isnt that a bit excessive? 14?04:01
campbch__i have... 204:01
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xsacha2? blank ftw04:02
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flaccidcampbch__: most are business accounts04:02
flaccidAsh-Fox: looks like you are stuffed04:02
xsachaback to windows... :( :P04:02
xsachayou could just go to the source code, find max chars and change it, recompile04:02
Ash-FoxIt's irritating, and my god, I urge you to NEVER run gnumail http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/gnumail04:02
flaccidxsacha: opera is not open source04:02
xsacha:(04:03
Ash-FoxThe interface in that is absolutely horrible.04:03
xsachafirefox?04:03
flaccidyou could just change your mail password. i would also recommend submitting a bug report to opera/posting on opera forums/desktop blog04:03
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xsachaim gonna have to burn from laptop :(04:04
ltmonbobesponja: If you are listening... I ran into the same problem as you had yesterday with smbmount... fixed it with "chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt" (as opposed to /usr/bin/smbmount)04:05
bobesponjaltmon: thanx04:05
bobesponjaltmon: I did that already04:05
ltmonbobesponja: beat me to it :) one of the edgy updates I hadn't applied must have screwed this up... might report a bug04:05
bobesponjaltmon: but I can't right as normal user on the mounted partition04:06
bobesponjaI mean write04:06
ltmonbobesponja: 1 min.. i'll check mine04:06
flaccidbobesponja: perms04:06
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ltmonbobesponja: no problems with mine, it's mounted with uid = 1000 and gid = 100004:06
thompa?join #ubuntu+104:07
thompa!compiz04:07
ubotuCompiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems04:07
bobesponjaltmon: I mounted mine with smb4k04:07
ltmonbobesponja: I used smb4k to mount it... and it has a Configuration -> Samba -> mount tab which has this04:07
ltmonbobesponja: file mask, directory mask and user and group (both set to "default" for me)04:07
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bobesponjaltmon: file and dir mask are both set to 0777 here04:10
bobesponjaltmon: is that default?04:10
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noexHey all04:10
roger_ramjetHello all04:11
bobesponjaltmon: ok thanx a lot I can write now :)04:11
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bobesponjagotta go04:11
roger_ramjetwas hoping somebody can help me please .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27926/04:11
roger_ramjetThanks in advance04:12
bobesponjaltmon: by the way I'm on edgy too, but I didn't do an upgrade I installed straight from the RC iso04:12
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ltmonbobesponja: glad it's working04:12
noexAnyone have a second for a quick question? If I am trying to write a audio cd from mp3s, on Serpentine, which GStreamer plugin do I need?04:13
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Jucatoerr noex, #ubuntu ?04:13
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noexHa, sorry Jucato, totally hit the wrong tab.04:14
BonBonTheJonroger_ramjet: look into http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/aptzip.htm04:14
noexSorry about that.04:14
roger_ramjetThanks very much BonBon driving me nuts (cant get broadband at home DOH!)04:14
NameNomaddoes anyone know about a good music editing program for linux?04:14
NameNomadI've tried searching but to no avail04:14
BonBonTheJonNameNomad: Audacity04:14
tyl3raudacity04:14
JucatoAudacity/?04:14
BonBonTheJon!audacity04:14
Jucatolol04:14
ubotuaudacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 1842 kB, installed size 5460 kB04:14
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tyl3r;)04:15
NameNomadthere you go then, gracias04:15
BonBonTheJonmust be a great program, three people immediately mention it04:15
Jucatomaybe it's the only program? lol04:15
NameNomadI hope it is, otherwise I could be back to square one04:15
NameNomadrofl, that too04:15
tyl3rLOL04:15
Jucato!jokosher04:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about jokosher - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:15
Jucatohm..04:15
Jucatoah na.. it's GTK. lol04:16
Jucatojokosher, I mean04:16
JucatoNameNomad: but if you're interested: http://www.jokosher.org/about04:16
actinic!windows04:17
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1  -  !equivalents  -  http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm04:17
NameNomadI shall download both jokosher and audacity04:17
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NameNomadtry them both04:17
BonBonTheJonlol, I never read that before04:17
Jucato"or your nearest mental health institute" <--- anybody care to join me? :)04:17
actinic:)04:18
NameNomadand hopefully get a career that doesn't involve going back to school04:18
JucatoNameNomad: unfortunately, I don't think jokosher is in the repos yet...04:18
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roger_ramjetBonBon ... i guess ill have to install vmware linux image to do that ... only windows boxes here ;-|04:18
Jucatoschool is fun... you get to bully people... lol04:18
actinicjucato, u upgrade to 3.5.5 yet?04:18
kermitelloz again..04:18
Jucatoactinic: I couldn't even if I wanted to...04:18
actinicwa? why?04:18
kermitok my grub says "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"04:18
NameNomadjucato: lol, not so much my style, nor is it really possible at my small school04:18
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NameNomad:'( poor jucato04:19
actinicthen jucato shouldn't be here04:19
actiniclol j/k04:19
actinicwhat happened?04:19
kermitflaccid: any ideas?04:19
Jucatoyeah. I'm supposed to get my PC today. but my mom didn't leave money to pay for the service, so I'll just get it tomorrow04:19
Jucatoactinic: long story... but to make it short, power supply problem04:19
BonBonTheJonroger_ramjet: you can go to packages.ubuntu.com and download the prerequisites04:20
actinicaw man sorry to hear that04:20
Jucatobasically, I haven't used Linux for 2 weeks now... but I still keep on Alt+left clicking windows here in XP...04:20
Jucato(not to mention Alt+Space...)04:20
roger_ramjetbonbon ... yeh i have been doing that. Copy to usb hd take home go to install pre-reqs and find out that they in turn have pre-reqs04:21
roger_ramjetstresses me out being a newb04:21
BonBonTheJonroger_ramjet: yeah, sorry I don't know a better way to do it04:21
roger_ramjetapt-zip should be a great start though04:21
BonBonTheJonroger_ramjet: lol, can you bring the linux pc to the other location?04:21
NameNomadah jeez, it looks like I'm going to have to be smart to use audacity04:23
roger_ramjetummm nope04:23
NameNomadcrap, using energy to succeed, what?04:23
NameNomadXD04:23
roger_ramjetill just use vmware its cool..04:23
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roger_ramjetbonbon ... just found this in case ur interested too http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/22/upgrade-install-ubuntu-on-slow-internet/04:24
JucatoNameNomad: it's definitely not a "for dummies" type. but I don't think Jokosher is either04:24
roger_ramjethttp://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/08/installing-packages-on-computers-with-slow-connections-redux/04:24
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BonBonTheJonroger_ramjet: there you go04:25
astronautehi04:25
NameNomadjucato: yeah, it's just the new program type of thing.  I mean, nothing worth doing is going to be easy, so it'll be worth learning and using04:25
astronautewhere to find kmplayer in the K menu please ?04:25
Jucatoastronaute: K Menu > Multimedia04:25
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tony_I tried to compile a new Kernel and got an error. I'm new to Linux...can someone help?04:25
astronauteits not there for me :/04:25
jsherlockjust installed amarok 1.4.3 and mp3's will only play when amarok is started with root, anyone know what permissions i should check on?04:25
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Jucatoastronaute: did you just install it?04:26
NameNomadtony_: what did the error say?04:26
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roger_ramjet@BonBonTheJon your advice pointed me in the right direction04:26
astronauteyes of course04:26
astronauteadept says its instazlled04:26
astronautekmplayer-base04:26
BonBonTheJonroger_ramjet: hope it works04:26
Jucatoastronaute: try to run this command in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" ignore the error messages, then check K Menu again04:27
tony_NameNomad: System is 1378 kB04:27
tony_System is too big. Try using bzImage or modules.04:27
actinicastronaute, see ' myplayer movie player' under multimedia?04:27
tony_make[1] : *** [arch/i386/boot/zImage]  Error 104:27
actiniccorection: mplayer04:27
tony_make: *** [zImage]  Error 204:27
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tony_NameNomad: And it took forever to comppile...04:28
astronautedone, 4 errors and still same menu04:28
astronautei have mcafeine and stuff there04:28
astronautebut no kmplayer04:28
Jucatoerr. hold on.. I think I was thinking about kplayer... :(04:28
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argonelis ubuntu building its own xorg?04:29
astronautei just installed my kubuntu for my gf04:29
roger_ramjetHey , has anybody gotten a Via Envy based sound card working in Kubuntu 6.06 ?04:29
campbch_anyone here use skim?04:29
astronautelast version, its weird that no kmplayer in menu, how can i test if it works already ?04:29
astronautekmplayer command doesnt exists04:30
campbch_anyone? no?04:30
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actinickmplayer doesn't run here either, however mplayer does run04:31
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silvaniaI got a question, how can i get my sound to play in diffrent applications in KDE, like xmms and flash together -not just one and one?04:31
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actinicsilvania, i've heard it can't be done, no multitasking04:32
actinici might be wrong on this04:32
Jucatoalsa? arts?04:32
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astronauteactinic04:32
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astronautehow to run mplayer then04:33
astronaute=)04:33
astronauteits really weird this stuff04:33
campbchanyone here know how to use SCIM to input characters in, say, japanese?04:33
Jucatoastronaute: there's no MPlayer entry in you K Men u either?04:33
silvaniaactinic: so i cannot play music in xmms and then use audio in a other place? like skype?04:33
JucatoK Menu*04:33
astronautenope04:33
astronautei dont have any package mplayer, only kmplayer04:33
macoxphi people04:33
BonBonTheJonhi04:33
macoxpanyone feel like helping a noob with wireless problems?04:34
actinicastronaute, right click on desktop, run command, then type mplayer04:34
astronauteits weird for debian absed distro to have such errors04:34
seishinbyoucampbch: It worked by default when I installed the OS in Japanese04:34
actinicsilvania, i haven't found how04:34
astronauteno commands mplayer nor kmplayer04:34
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: give more details04:34
astronautethats the problem04:35
seishinbyouIf you are starting in an English environment...get some fonts, the anthy IM...04:35
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: i installed ndiswrapper and got the driver installed at well04:35
silvaniaactinic: kinda sounds silly, not able to use diffrent applications to play sound.04:35
macoxpBonBonTheJon: it says it's working i get tnet1130   driver present, hardware present04:35
astronautei installed this distro for my gf to be simple, but i realise maybe i was wrong =)04:35
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: did you follow a tutorial04:35
actinicastronaute, go ahead and install kmplayer ... it's listed in synaptic04:35
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actinicsilvania, i agree04:36
astronauteactinic im on dapper and its adept04:36
BonBonTheJonastronaute: I like VLC, its easy04:36
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yes about 3 different ones caus it was hard to understand04:36
astronauteand it says its installed already04:36
campbchseishinbyou: i installed in english, and have a class in japanese i would like to use skim for note conglomeration04:36
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: how far did you get04:36
astronauteBonBonTheJon my gf wants mplayer because of skins :p04:36
actinicastronaute, uninstall then install it again04:36
campbchi installed both anthy and canna, and none of the activation hotkeys are working04:36
silvaniaactinic: you can do it in like windows 3.x what the....04:36
macoxpBonBonTheJon: like i said i got the driver installed and my problem is i cant figure out how to get it to stop useing the old one and use the new one i installed04:37
astronautei try then install / reinstall ...04:37
actinicsilvania, have u googled for the issue?04:37
campbchnext IME should be Ctrl+alt+down, but it doesn't catch it04:37
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: old what? driver? card?04:37
actinic'sound multitasking linux'04:37
macoxpBonBonTheJon: hold on i'll show you teh tut i was following04:37
actinicor something to that effect04:38
silvaniaactinic: trying... but its like turing up every atom in the universe... ya know04:38
kermitis anyone using grub to boot a windows hdd where grub is loaded on a primary kubuntu hdd?04:38
actinicsilvania, ya i know ... hang on a minute04:38
seishinbyoucampbch: Do you have a jp106 keyboard?04:38
astronauteok so maybe there is pacjkage problem : kmplayer-base is that ok ?04:38
campbchnope04:39
astronautecan anyone check please, i have only 3 pack avail in adept04:39
macoxpBonBonTheJon: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=179547&postcount=1004:39
BonBonTheJonkermit: what is your problem04:39
seishinbyouBy default, the imswitch keys are the zenkaku/hangaku key, and shift-space for some odd reason04:39
campbchit's a standard qwerty04:39
kermitmy windows refuses to load from grub..04:39
campbchyes04:39
campbchshift+space to turn on04:39
silvaniaactinic: trying some reading on http://lau.linuxaudio.org/ atm04:39
kermitgrub just says "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"04:39
BonBonTheJonkermit: did you install linux and then windows?04:39
roger_ramjetI cant get sound working on my M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in Kubuntu 6.06 ... been looking everywhere for a couple of days ... any help please ?04:39
campbch and then ctrl+alt+down to change the ime04:39
kermiti installed linux without the windows hdd plugged in even, and just plugged both in now04:40
campbchbut it just adds spaces and goes up and down in konversation, and doesn't catch the keystroke04:40
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: hold on I'm doing some other stuff, I'll get back to you04:40
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ok04:40
silvaniaactinic: gonna try install JACK04:41
BonBonTheJonkermit: you need to tell grub about the windows04:42
seishinbyouAh, just a sec04:43
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seishinbyouIn /etc/environment04:43
campbchyep?04:43
seishinbyou...I'm assuming you are "en_US.UTF-8"?04:43
campbchas far as settings are concerned?...04:44
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: how far did you get, what step04:44
roger_ramjetDoes anybody have any experience with Via Envy based audio ?04:44
BonBonTheJon!grub04:44
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:44
seishinbyouOne guy in the office had to set up JP support in his English linux box...I'm asking him now04:44
seishinbyouhold on a sec04:44
campbchyep04:44
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i did all but 3 6 and 7 caus i did not understand em04:44
campbchLANG="en_US.UTF-8"04:45
campbchcorrect04:45
macoxpBonBonTheJon: or they did not work04:45
BonBonTheJon!grub > kermit04:45
enyawixany tv viewers?04:45
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enyawixwhy do i have to keep building things from source04:46
seishinbyou2 things he told me.  I was to have the line "QT_IM_MODULE=scim" in /etc/environment, and in your .xsession file... (just a sec)04:46
BonBonTheJonenyawix: what are you building04:46
enyawixi had to build firestarter04:47
seishinbyoumy mistake04:47
BonBonTheJonenyawix: isn't it in the repositories04:47
enyawixhad to build linuxsampler04:47
seishinbyouIn your ~/.scim/global file04:47
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enyawixno it is not04:47
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seishinbyouMake sure you have a line "/SupportedUnicodeLocales = en_US.UTF-8,en_GB.UTF-8"04:48
Jucato!firestarter04:48
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).04:48
macoxpBonBonTheJon: right now i'm trying to figure out how to get teh computer to use ndiswrapper and not the defualt driver is what i was trying to say04:48
campbchok04:48
Jucato!info firestarter04:48
ubotufirestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 381 kB, installed size 1900 kB04:48
Jucatoenyawix: ^^^^^^^04:48
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: what default driver04:48
enyawixrunning dapper04:48
macoxpBonBonTheJon: the one it's trying to use and failing to work04:48
campbch1) add the line in environment, and b) add that second line in environment as well?04:48
Jucatoenyawix: firestart is in dapper Version 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu4 (dapper)04:49
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: what is its name04:49
enyawixabout to build tvtime04:49
macoxpBonBonTheJon: how do i find out?04:49
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I dont know becasue I dont knwo what it is04:49
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: do you mean the ACX driver04:49
Jucato!tvtime04:49
ubotutvtime: A high quality television application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 627 kB, installed size 1744 kB04:49
Jucatoenyawix: ^^^^^^^^^^^^04:49
macoxpBonBonTheJon: no i mean is there a command to get me the name?04:49
enyawixJucato fir amd6404:50
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: it depends on what it is and what you did? did you load a module?04:50
Jucatoah04:50
enyawixfor*04:50
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: i'm not sure does the tut tell me to?04:51
macoxpBonBonTheJon: if it dont then no04:51
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: step three mentioned removing ACX driver04:51
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yes i cant do that one04:51
campbchwhere is the .xsession file?04:52
campbchoic... one sec.04:52
seishinbyouforget the .xsession file.  It was the ~/.scim/global file that needed modification04:52
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: at the command line run 'uname -r'04:52
campbchalright04:53
campbchakasa04:53
campbchno04:53
campbchstill not working04:53
seishinbyouin a terminal, try "QT_IM_MODULE=scim kate" and see if you can use Japanese there04:54
campbchnope04:54
campbch:D04:55
campbchyep04:55
macoxpBonBonTheJon: there are 2 different kernal version folders witch one is the right one?04:55
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: 'uname -r' tells you04:55
seishinbyouSo you use :D because you can...or you can't?04:55
macoxpBonBonTheJon: thanks04:55
campbch04:56
seishinbyouAll right04:56
seishinbyou04:56
Jucatoyay still can't see :)04:56
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Jucatonow we've got 2 japanese-speaking people...04:56
campbch:p04:56
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: now try steps 6 and 704:56
Jucatoseishinbyou: it's definitely my IRC client (and my OS :P)04:56
macoxpBonBonTheJon: it's not working04:56
seishinbyouI can do some Mandarin Chinese04:56
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: what isnt04:56
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xsachaJucato: charset=utf-804:57
seishinbyouBut, only ridiculous phrases like "This is my mothers' car"04:57
fyssasoi04:57
macoxpBonBonTheJon: when i do step six it says command not found04:57
xsachayou see boxes or weird letters?04:57
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: type it should be 'sudo ndiswrapper -m'04:57
xsachaboxes means no intl fonts, weird letters means no utf-804:57
Jucatoxsacha: boxes. but doesn't matter. XChat on XP :P04:57
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: it was missing an s04:57
xsachaJucato just download the fonts :)04:58
Jucatoheheh :)04:58
fyssason my kubuntu ... when i boot him the ethernet pci can't stablish the net ... why?04:58
Jucatonvm, this isn't my pc anyway. besides, I'm sure seishinbyou and campbch aren't talking about me :P04:58
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ok that worked04:58
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: how about 704:59
macoxpBonBonTheJon: looking just a sec05:01
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enyawixlooks like others have same issue05:01
enyawixhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1103.html05:01
seishinbyoucampbch: You are studying Japanese now, then?05:02
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campbchyes05:02
enyawixwhy05:02
campbch:D05:02
campbchi studied spanish in HS, so i can speak that as well05:02
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: don't do number 705:03
campbchbut japanese is more fun05:03
campbchok, next...05:03
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: just install knetworkmanager05:03
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seishinbyouAh, I studied French in school, but only because we were forced to05:03
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BonBonTheJonseishinbyou: english?05:04
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yeah i got 7 done05:04
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: install knetworkmanager05:04
campbchi intsalled firefox using adept, but it's not showing up in any of the menus or anything05:05
BonBonTheJonJucato: which is05:05
JucatoFilipino05:05
macoxpBonBonTheJon: did that already05:05
Jucatocampbch: try running this command in Konsole or Alt+F2 "kbuildsycoca --incremental"05:05
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: you should be all set then05:05
Jucatocampbch: that's to refresh the K Menu05:05
enyawixsudo apt-get source --compile tvtime05:06
enyawixE: Unable to find a source package for tvtime :(05:06
campbch:p05:06
Jucatoenyawix: check that the deb-src repository for universe is enabled05:06
campbchdidnt have to do that with any other apps05:06
campbchbut it worked :D05:06
seishinbyouBonBonTheJon: Actually, Japanese.  My first language is English.  I've only lived in Japan a while/too long/a bit05:06
Jucatocampbch: yeah. it's a common issue, at least on Dapper (think it was fixed in Edgy)05:06
enyawixJucato how do i do that?05:06
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i still cant figure out step 305:06
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: open up the console05:07
Jucatoenyawix: "desu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"then look for the deb-src line for "universe". if it has a "#" at the beginning, delete it. save. then sudo "pt-get update" and try again05:07
enyawixok05:08
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ok05:08
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: ok do "cd /lib/modules"05:08
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: then do "ls"05:08
macoxpBonBonTheJon: no such file or dir05:09
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: for the "cd /lib/modules"? or "ls"?05:09
macoxpBonBonTheJon: Is05:10
matr1xhmm05:10
macoxpBonBonTheJon: oops got it now05:10
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: "ls" just displays the files in a directory05:10
macoxpBonBonTheJon: typed it wrong05:10
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: now what?05:10
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: now cd into the kernal number you looked up before05:11
vitriolHEY I USED TO HAVE KDE SET UP TO WHERE CTRL + TAB WOULD SWITCH VIRTUAL DESKTOPS...05:11
otaku-sanok I'm out ya'll  g'night05:11
vitriolanybody know how i can get that back?05:11
BonBonTheJonnight otaku-san05:11
Jucatosayonara otaku-san!05:11
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i never got it to work how dod i do it?05:11
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: ok, run "uname -r" and it will return the kernal number05:11
otaku-sanJucato, BonBonTheJon: Peace05:11
enyawixE: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_universe_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)05:11
enyawixnow what?05:12
Jucatovitriol: please drop the caps. check in System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts05:12
vitriolJucato: sorry about that... http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/22/happy-international-caps-lock-day/05:12
BonBonTheJonJucato: I've been wondering, why is keyboard shortcuts in Regional & Accessibility05:12
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: alright i'm in the right one now05:12
JucatoBonBonTheJon: because Keyboard Shortcuts are an accessibility feature?05:13
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: now "cd ./kernel"05:13
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Vuenokay, i am very angry with kde right now05:13
JucatoI think it was changed in Edgy, though. lots of stuff in System Settings got rearranged05:13
macoxpBonBonTheJon: k05:13
Vueni just selected about 60 folders because i wanted to see how much space they took up05:13
Vuenand i don't know WHAT i pressed, but konqueror decided to open every single folder, EACH IN A SEPARATE WINDOW.05:13
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: that took too long, all at once "cd ./drivers/net/wireless"05:13
Vueni had to switch to tty1 and killall konqueror to recover05:14
macoxpBonBonTheJon: k05:14
Vuenshouldn't it, like, ask me if that's what i really wanted to do??05:14
campbchcrash and burn :p05:14
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: now "sudo mv acx /root/"05:14
JucatoVuen: have you checked Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Behavior ?05:14
macoxpBonBonTheJon: k05:14
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: finally "sudo depmod -a"05:14
enyawixJucato thanks i got it :)05:15
VuenJucato: i see nothing here about prompting me whether i REALLY want to open 60 windows at once05:15
enyawixJucato you are the man!05:15
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ok05:15
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: and that was step 305:15
JucatoVuen: remember that by default, KDE uses single-click to open folders or run stuff05:15
Jucatoenyawix: hehe no problem :)05:15
VuenJucato: that's not the point at all05:16
Vueni know i pressed something i shouldn't have to open them05:16
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i hope it works i'm gonna reboot and see what happens brb thanks for the help05:16
Vuenthe point is, shouldn't it ask me to make sure?05:16
Vuenwindows asks you if you accidentally try to open a huge amount of files at once05:16
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Vuenwhy doesn't kde?05:16
BonBonTheJonJucato: how do you change the single click to double click05:16
Jucatoum.. because it's not Windows?05:16
JucatoBonBonTheJon: System Settings -> Mouse05:16
Vuennot good enough05:16
Vuen"it's not windows" is no excuse to do things poorly05:17
JucatoI don't know then. maybe KDE is just following what you told it to do (open folders...)05:17
seishinbyouWindows never asked me to "accidentally" open 300 photos before, but that was an isolated incident05:17
JucatoVuen: you can ask in #kde if there's a setting for that. not really sure05:17
campbch:p05:17
enyawixwhy is "universe" blocked? by default05:18
enyawixis it unsafe?05:18
Jucatoenyawix: it's not blocked. just disabled05:18
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Jucatobecause main and restricted has all the *basic* things you need.05:19
campbchonly thing i could com.06 LTS: tplain about is sometimes i will be typing, and it will rando.06 LTS: tmly insert whatever i have in my klip.06 LTS: tboard into the text :o not sure what causes this, it'll make sense eventually05:19
campbchim probably hitting something i dont realize05:19
Jucatoalso, having some extra/unused repos enabled makes sudo apt-get update time a bit longer05:19
enyawixJucato like emerge --sync ?05:20
Jucatoenyawix: dunno. haven't used Gentoo05:20
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: still dont work05:20
vitriolit doesn't like like there is anything available under Regional Settings - Keyboard Layout that can be clicked on to allow ctrl + tab to switch virtual desktops05:21
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: what doesnt05:21
macoxpBonBonTheJon: the wirless card05:21
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i think that i deleted the wrong driver caus the tut is useing a dif card then mine05:21
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: run "ifconfig" and see if it is listed05:21
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Jucatovitriol: I said "Keyboard Shortuctus" not Layout05:22
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yeah it's listed05:23
macoxpBonBonTheJon: but it always was05:23
vitriolJucato: ahh i see it now05:23
macoxpBonBonTheJon: just never worked05:23
Jucatovitriol: :)05:23
macoxpBonBonTheJon: how do i find out what driver it's useing?05:24
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: sudo ndiswrapper -l05:24
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: run "less /etc/modules | grep ndiswrapper" and tell me if it returns anything05:25
macoxpBonBonTheJon: no i mean how do i tell if kubuntu is useing diswrapper or it's default driver05:25
macoxpBonBonTheJon: nuthing05:25
macoxpBonBonTheJon: sudo ndiswrapper -l    =   tnet1130                driver present, hardware present05:26
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: ok, ndiswrapper is ok but the module isnt loaded05:26
macoxpBonBonTheJon: sound good to me05:27
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: run "modprobe ndiswrapper"05:27
macoxpBonBonTheJon: how we load it?05:27
macoxpBonBonTheJon: returned nothing05:27
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: thats good05:27
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: now try "less /etc/modules | grep ndiswrapper"  again05:28
macoxpBonBonTheJon: nothing05:28
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: try "sudo ndiswrapper -m"05:28
macoxpBonBonTheJon: modprobe config already contains alias directive05:29
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: hmm05:29
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: run "iwlist wlan0 scan" to see if the card can see networks05:29
macoxpBonBonTheJon: hey it can thats new!05:30
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: ok, so start up knetworkmanager and set up the network05:30
macoxpBonBonTheJon: knetworkmanager is blank05:31
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: keep trying it, sometimes its a little picky05:32
access_danyone else try fglrx on a dv8110us notebook with an ATI Radeon Xpress 200m video card and get _really_ choppy graphics?05:32
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derek!mp305:32
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats05:32
campbchhmm...05:32
campbchi still can't get the IME to work in any other programs....05:33
seishinbyoudid you restart your X session?05:33
campbch:\05:33
campbchill try it05:33
campbchbut i cant technically start skim until after it's started anyways05:33
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seishinbyouWell?  05:35
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seishinbyou05:35
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: any luck?05:36
JucatoWell? [box]  [box]  [box]  [box]  [box]  [box] 05:36
BonBonTheJonseishinbyou: are we supposed to see Japanese?05:36
JucatoBonBonTheJon: I think we are05:36
seishinbyoucampbch and I had it going for a bit there05:36
BonBonTheJonJucato: good because I do05:36
Jucatohiragana, katakana, or .... what was the other one?05:37
seishinbyouI'm running in a JP environment anyways...mostly because that is part of my job05:37
seishinbyoukanji05:37
campbchyep05:37
campbchit's working now05:37
Jucatoah that one :)05:37
seishinbyouawesomeness and awesomenousity05:37
campbch:D thanks05:37
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Jucatolol @ awesomenousity05:37
flaccidfar out azureus dialogs give me the shits when they don't hde05:37
flaccidhide05:37
campbchit starts up with KDE now, rather than after, so it's working05:37
campbchim happy :D05:38
seishinbyouWell, I'm glad it is working for you05:38
campbchyep thanks :D05:38
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seishinbyou2 Jucatos.  That must mean one of you...is a doppleganger...oh, too late05:39
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Jucatolol05:40
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JucatoI killed my doppelganger :)05:40
macoxpstill not working05:40
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seishinbyouThat's okay.  You really don't want those things hanging around anyways05:41
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BonBonTheJonLunch? Its midnight here.05:41
Jucatoseishinbyou: hey it's almost noon here too :)05:41
JucatoBonBonTheJon: EST then?05:43
macoxpBonBonTheJon: still nuthing :(05:43
BonBonTheJonJucato: yup05:43
Jucatoah :)05:43
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: hmm, I dunno05:43
macoxpBonBonTheJon: think you could fix me with desktop shareing access? :)05:44
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: hopefully someone else has an idea05:44
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yeah05:44
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: share Kubuntu05:44
BonBonTheJon?05:44
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yeah05:45
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: your best bet is installing VNC, but I don't know how to do it05:45
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: heres something to look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_configure_remote_desktop_.28not_secure.2905:48
Jucatoaaah.. peace and quiet :)05:50
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campbchgood music05:53
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: couldent we use Kfrb?05:54
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flaccid!vnc05:54
ubotuvnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.05:54
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I havent used it, but it looks like it sends an invitation05:54
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flaccid!x11vnc05:55
ubotux11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-5 (dapper), package size 318 kB, installed size 820 kB05:55
campbchphysically speaking, how does that work? does it project whatever you see see on your screen across the net? or just parts of it?05:56
CVirus!unrar05:56
ubotuunrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free05:56
CVirus!info unrar-free05:56
ubotuunrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB05:56
BonBonTheJoncampbch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vnc05:56
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JucatoCVirus: iirc, unrar-free can't unrar latter versions of RAR and can't unrar split RARs05:57
CVirusJucato: thanks for the tip05:57
Jucatosure05:57
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campbchi see...05:58
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campbchlater05:59
Jucatobye campbch!05:59
Jucatooyasumi nasai05:59
campbchover my head :D05:59
Jucato= good night :P05:59
campbchi figured as much05:59
Jucatohehe05:59
campbchyou too05:59
macoxpBonBonTheJon: whats your email?05:59
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: PM me06:00
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macoxpBonBonTheJon: i cant says i'm blocked06:01
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: ok, jmuerller at yahoo dot com06:01
JucatoBonBonTheJon: if you're nick is registered, you could have sent a /msg to him instead :P06:01
BonBonTheJonJucato: too late now, but thanks for the tip06:02
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ok sent06:02
Jucatoheheh ok06:02
Jucatonext time I'll be faster :P06:02
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xsachahello im installing kubuntu right now.. the gui isnt letting me create a swap space with my install06:04
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xsachai can create root partition and then if i click anywhere else, create becomes greyed out forever.. if i click create straight away, screen goes blank06:05
plugsoops sorry about that.06:05
Jucatoheh06:05
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BonBonTheJonxsacha: did you leave space for swap06:06
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xsachayes there's 35 gigs left on that hard drive06:06
macoxpxsacha: why not let it do it automattically?06:06
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xsachai want to do it manually06:06
BonBonTheJonxsacha: 35GB for swap?06:07
xsachano 35 g left on hard drive06:07
xsachait greys out the create button after i make my root partition.. wont let me make a swap06:07
xsachashould i just make one in fdisk instead?06:07
BonBonTheJonxsacha: how many partitions do you have so far?06:07
xsacha406:08
BonBonTheJonxsacha: there you go, you can only have 406:08
xsacha(different linux OSes)06:08
xsachaoh damn06:08
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I didnt get anything06:08
Jucatoyou can only have 4 *primary* partitions06:08
xsachaonly 4 partitions on a hard drive? :S06:08
xsachai see06:08
Jucatobut with logical partitions, you can go beyond that limit06:08
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martyndahi, can someone help me with installing JDBC? I can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong with it06:09
macoxpBonBonTheJon: check ur spamm06:09
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I did, try again06:09
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I just cleaned everything out06:10
xsachafor some reason it's sticking in little tidbits like 3mb between partitions06:10
rawrnessupgrading wish me luck :P06:11
plugsthat's probably to make sure they dont overlap, right?06:11
xsachawell i had a swap next hda2 before, if i remove it and then put it back it sticks 3mb in between06:11
BonBonTheJonI think you can use the same swap for all of them06:12
xsachayes im just rearranging it06:12
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plugsi'd get way too confused if i had 4 different linux os's06:13
xsachaso now i have /dev/hda-1 /dev/hda-2 (3mb and 7mb) between my partitions :(06:13
macoxpBonBonTheJon: sent it again06:13
xsachaoh well06:14
rawrnessso when updatting do i just change all instrences of dapper in only the distro colum?06:14
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BonBonTheJonmacoxp: got it06:14
xsachaif i make a reiserfs partition, can i get kubuntu to use it?06:14
macoxpBonBonTheJon: can you control it on your end?06:14
Jucatorawrness: basically, yes06:14
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: hold on06:14
rawrnessJucato:  so i don't touch the urls right?06:15
Jucatonope06:15
rawrnesskk thats what screwd my system last time06:15
Jucato:)06:15
rawrnessi changed the urls and left destro alone :P06:15
Jucatoer...06:15
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: does konversation say hi06:16
macoxpBonBonTheJon: yup06:16
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: it worked06:16
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i saw you move my mouse06:16
xsachabecause there's no option to create filesystem as reiserfs, but also no option to choose an existing partition :S06:16
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: vnc is fun06:16
macoxpBonBonTheJon: maybe now you can fix it :D06:16
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I'm going to delete the email, ok?06:16
flaccidxsacha: fdisk?06:16
macoxpBonBonTheJon: i dont care06:16
xsachayeah i create a reiser but then how do i get kubuntu to use it?06:17
flaccidmount it?06:17
xsachais there an option past prepare partitions screen?06:17
Jucatoxsacha: yes06:17
xsachaok thanks06:17
rawrnessdo i make dapper-updates edgy-updates?06:18
flaccida lot people report problems with reiserfs especially data loss06:18
Jucatorawrness: yes, but it wouldn't probably be necessary.06:18
xsachai've never had problem with reiser :)06:18
Jucatosame with edgy-backports06:18
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rawrnessJucato:  just want to be carefull i was working for 3 hours trying to get a working system06:19
rawrnesslast time06:19
Jucatooh06:19
BonBonTheJonnight all06:19
rawrnessnight06:19
rawrnesssleep well and wake06:19
macoxpBonBonTheJon: noooo! well thanks anways06:19
BonBonTheJonmacoxp: I'll be back tomorrow afternoon06:20
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ok06:20
macoxpBonBonTheJon: ahhh it's working!06:21
macoxpBonBonTheJon: lol06:21
macoxpBonBonTheJon: just as you were leacveing it starting working06:21
BonBonTheJongood06:21
macoxpBonBonTheJon: thanks for the help dude you are god among men06:21
rawrnessfull upgrade button an't doing anything....06:23
rawrness.oh wait i have to hit apply don't I06:24
rawrnessdur!06:24
rawrnessnighty'06:24
Jucatoerr.06:24
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Jucatoyou have to Fetch Updates first, too06:24
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rawrnessdid that first06:24
Jucatook just checking eheheh06:25
Jucato(most people forget)06:25
rawrnesslittle details06:25
rawrnesstend to screw people the most06:25
Jucatoheh06:25
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rawrnesswell i have to get up tomorow so i am going to sleep06:26
realfolkblueshi people06:26
rawrnessnight yall06:26
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realfolkbluesanyone here good with linux wanna help me out a little?06:26
flaccid!ask > realfolkblues06:26
realfolkbluesflaccid: hey06:27
soundmaster80I'm trying to transfer a file that's 2.9gb over samba and it seems there is a limit of 2gb. can anyone tell me how to get around this?06:27
robinhello, what do i need to do to be able to access / with out ussing the command line as root06:27
realfolkbluesflaccid: i installed the nividia drivers already but i still cant get my res more then 1024x76806:27
flaccidsoundmaster80: what version is the samba server?06:27
soundmaster80robin i think in edgy uou have to view hidden files06:27
plugsat least your computer will boot with the nvidia card attached.06:27
soundmaster80lemmie check06:27
Jucatorobin: launch Konqueror as root: Alt+F2, "kdesu konqueror"06:27
Jucatorobin: be *very* careful, though06:27
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soundmaster80oh, missunderstood the question06:28
zezellerobin:  alt f06:28
rawrnessVery carefull..06:28
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zezellerobin:  alt f12 f906:28
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soundmaster80how would i find the samba version?06:29
zezelleJucato:  f6 does06:29
Jucatozezelle: which does what?06:29
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realfolkbluesnoone has ant idea how to fix my res?06:29
flaccidsoundmaster80: easier question. this is an ubuntu samba server ?06:30
plugsyou can run linux on a mac, right?06:30
soundmaster80yeah06:30
soundmaster80dapper samba server06:30
Jucatoplugs: yes06:30
plugssweet i bet it totally rocks06:30
soundmaster80default ubuntu FS on both06:30
zezelleJucato:  Iam sory just bad06:30
robinit works thx06:31
soundmaster80the 2gb limit is supposedly fixed in smb2 i understand but i thought dapper had that already06:31
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Jucatorealfolkblues: have you restarted the X Server already?06:32
flaccidi thought it was kernel-based, soundmaster80 and its samba3 now anyway06:32
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soundmaster80hmm06:33
flaccidsoundmaster80: need to mount with large file support: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=37203906:33
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obf213sound is coming out of my computer speakers and my headphones06:33
obf213how do i stop that06:33
obf213this happens every so often06:33
realfolkbluesJucato: i used automatrix and it restarted my computer afterwards that the same?06:34
robinis there an easy way to enble tv out on my 6600 nvidea card06:34
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Jucatorealfolkblues: yeah basically. have you checked System Settings -> Display for the resolution settings?06:34
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realfolkbluesJucato: yes and it's maxed out at 1024x76806:34
Jucatohm... maybe that's that max res of your monitor?06:35
nabil_hi there pls help me i need to configure my ati x1300 mobility in kubuntu06:35
Jucatoanyway, gtg. bye!06:35
plugsobf123 what kind of sound?06:35
realfolkbluesJucato: the monitors native res is 1440x90006:35
nabil_does anyone has any ideo on how do we set ati x1300 radeon monilty in kubuntu06:36
obf213realfolkblues wht type of computer do you have06:39
realfolkbluesobf213: you want all the specs?06:40
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obf213no just like make and model06:40
realfolkbluesobf213: self built06:40
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obf213o06:41
realfolkbluesobf213: why?06:41
obf213my dell did the same thing with the res06:41
obf213but i got the 1440 x90006:41
realfolkbluesobf213: how did you fix it?06:41
obf213i opened console06:42
obf213did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:42
seishinbyouI have seen a handful of laptops with 1440x900 screen res.  I had a similar problem with my Libretto L1 (1280x600 res)06:42
nabil_exit06:42
realfolkbluesobf213: then what?06:42
obf213go throught the prompt06:42
obf213the console should be blue now no?06:42
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realfolkbluesshould i attempt to auto detect hardware?06:44
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method|can someone help me get my usb soundcard working? ubuntu recognizes it fine and everything but i cant get any sound from it06:44
obf213yes06:44
obf213realfolkblues06:44
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obf213you already downloaded 911resloution right?06:44
maltaethironhey, when i go to change the browser identification in konqueror so that gmail and other 2.0 sites look normal, whatever browser id i select, it doesnt seem to care, and gives me a dumbed down version of the site06:45
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maltaethironany help?06:46
jonkellemaltaethiron.... do you have java script enabled?06:46
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maltaethironlemme check jonkelle06:46
maltaethironyes sir06:47
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jonkellehold on.  I'm checking it in my konqueror....06:47
maltaethironok06:47
realfolkbluesobf213: hey it let me add the new res now i gotta reboot thanks!06:48
obf213realfok blues06:48
obf213what06:48
obf213wait06:48
realfolkbluesobf213: yes?06:48
obf213you shouldnt have to reboot06:48
obf213run krandrtray06:48
realfolkbluesobf213: i need to restart x desktop or whatever it's called right06:49
obf213no06:49
obf213run krandrtray06:49
obf213that will let you resize now youve added the resolution06:49
jonkellemaeltaethiron  instead of changing your browser identiyt.  try using this link.  it worked for me. http://mail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser06:49
jonkellethat disables the script that verifies if your browser is supported.06:50
realfolkbluesobf213: krandrtray only shows up to 1024x768 i'm gonna try restarting06:50
obf213alright06:50
jonkelleit looks like it does not fully work though.  it may be why google redirects you....06:51
maltaethironok thanks jonkelle06:52
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flaccidthats what i hate about google. they make good stuff, but without standards!! vbad06:54
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enyawixwhat is a good graphical package manager? synaptic will not surest extra packarges like dselect will06:58
jonkelleHey does anyone know of any repositories containing OOo2.0.4 for Dapper before I go ahead and alien the rpms?  I personally prefer to let apt handle this kind of software.06:58
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jonkelleit might be a dead time of night to ask that question though...  I may hold off one more day, and continue the search, and ask again tomorrow during the day.07:00
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realfolkblueshi07:07
realfolkblueswho was helping me a min agao?07:07
realfolkblueswell i changed the settings in x to try and get my right res and now i cant boot how do i get back to changeing x without gui?07:09
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Jobberwackyrealfolkblues, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf07:10
realfolkbluesJobberwacky how do i bring up the consle when i got a jumbled screen?07:11
realfolkbluesis there a hot key to hide k desktop?07:12
Jobberwackyrealfolkblues, you should read the error report for clues first, then hit ok until a login prompt appears07:12
realfolkbluesi cant read anythig right now07:12
Jobberwackyyou're writing this from another PC?07:12
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realfolkbluesno this is laptop desktop is messed up now07:12
JobberwackyI dont understand07:13
realfolkbluesJobberwacky: i'm on my laptop running xp my linux desktop need help07:13
realfolkbluesJobberwacky: i cant read anything on it's screen caus the things is all weird colors07:14
Jobberwackywhen you try loading linux what happens? X server error?07:14
realfolkbluesit boots normally then weird colors07:14
Jobberwackywhen that happens try hitting alt+ctrl+F107:14
Jobberwackythen login and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf07:14
realfolkbluessweet i got the consle now07:14
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realfolkbluesit says command not found07:16
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nerCould you tell me normal keyboard layot switcher? =)07:17
Jobberwackyrealfolkblues, use nano07:18
realfolkbluesJobberwacky: ok that worked but this is a different thing then what i was in b4 what do i do here?07:19
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NameNomadmovin towards sleep07:21
NameNomadadios todas personas07:21
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Jobberwackyrealfolkblues, that's a whole different thing, try posting on the forums describing your problem07:22
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stormzoeker/?07:24
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unix_infidelif i pass a value into a variable on a shell prompt, where does the value get stored, and is it stored after logout?07:28
unix_infidelor until i've rebooted / that value is overwritten.07:28
realfolkbluesJobberwacky: i figured it out what i needed was the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg caus i choose 1 option wrong07:28
smacedahello!!!!!!07:29
realfolkbluessmaceda: hi07:29
smacedai'm new to kubuntu!07:29
Dasnipa`yay07:29
unix_infidelanyone?07:29
realfolkbluessmaceda: me to :D07:29
stormzoeker/leave07:29
smacedarealfolkblues: until yesterday, i was a gnome user!!!!07:30
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jonkelleunix_infidel it is not stored after logout if you pass at a shell prompt.  to have it each time, you need to globally pass the value in your .bashrc or some such.07:30
unix_infideljonkelle: so its in memory with that parent process until i logout.07:31
smacedasoooo HELP ME PLANET!!!07:31
jonkelleyes.07:31
unix_infideljonkelle: gracias.07:31
jonkellede nada07:31
smacedaopa07:31
smacedahay alguien que habla castellano!07:31
Dasnipa`!es07:32
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.07:32
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smacedaOK sorry07:32
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unix_infidelhaha, castillians with their, "I'm not a spainard, i'm castillian"07:32
jonkelleI don't know castillian real well.  I have friends who are trying to school me in it though. :)07:33
jonkellejust minor things that throw me off.07:33
jonkelle:-p07:33
unix_infideli mean seriously, when you have a "ya'll" verb conjugation, you know something's a stray :)07:33
smacedajejeje07:34
smaceda;)07:34
smacedaspanish is really hard07:34
smacedaso... better learn linux07:34
smaceda:)07:34
smacedajejeje07:34
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realfolkblueshmmm how weird my refrest rate in wondows was 60hz and it worked perfict but here it's 60 and the screen is all off center07:35
unix_infidelya'll got some very nice women on the beaches though :)07:35
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enyawixkonversation spell check not working missing package?07:40
xsachahey im back07:40
enyawixi have aspell and ispell07:40
xsachajust had to get rid of that god-awful grub loader :P07:41
enyawixlol07:41
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xsachaon lilo now :D the grub wouldnt boot up anyway lol07:41
xsachawas just sitting at Loading Grub07:41
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seishinbyoulol at overheard conversation "What do you mean micromanagement is turning our employees against us?"07:43
enyawixis you must use micromanagement why have managers?07:45
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enyawixif*07:45
flaccidmanagers do the micromanagement..07:45
enyawixlol07:45
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Jucatoso do you have micromanagers? and managers to manage the micromanagers?07:46
Jucatoj/k07:46
obf213hey does anyone know wht the icons in kicker are called07:46
flaccidhehe prolly07:46
obf213i screwed up my kicker and im trying to get htem back.07:46
flaccid'i'm only micromanaging you becaue i am being micromanaged'07:46
Jucatoobf213: which ones?07:47
obf213the little icon that sits there when you open the sound manager or amarok07:47
Jucatoobf213: you mean the whole System Tray? it's a Panel Applet07:47
Admiral_Chicagoobf213: system tray icons?07:47
Jucatoright-click Panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> System Tray07:47
obf213ahh thanks07:47
plugsare you guys still at it?07:47
plugsMad stalin.07:48
obf213the tool bars are so hard to configure07:48
Jucatoobf213: nah. you just need to get used to terminologies and stuff :P07:49
obf213no like moving stuff07:49
obf213thats how i screwed it up07:49
Jucatoah07:49
obf213and im trying to get my clock back to the right hand position07:49
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BlackenHrm, is there a console command to initiate hibernation?07:50
Jucatoobf213: by default, when you hover over the clock a bit, you'll see handles that you can drag around07:50
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obf213herrm all i c is a little bubble that pops up telling me the date07:50
xsachai dont have that either..07:51
Jucatoobf213: hm... try hovering near the left edge of the clock07:51
xsachaobf213: hover mouse over and hit left side and click Move07:51
Jucatosorry, not over the clock itself, near the left edge :)07:51
xsachaa little tiny up arrow in top left corner will give the options07:52
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obf213no arroow pops up or anything, i just updated so i doubt my clock wouldbt be updated07:52
xsachajust hover mouse over the clock and look for a small ^ in top left corner07:52
xsachalittle tiny black ^07:53
Jucatohm.. he could have turned the Handle bars off...07:53
xsachaLock Panels?07:53
obf213i see the tiny black arrow for like kmeun and console and stuff07:53
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xsacharight click between the clock and whatever it is next to07:54
Jucatoobf213: no, not those07:54
xsachado you see "Unlock Panel" ?07:54
obf213the panels arent lokced07:54
obf213i moved around som other stuff07:54
Jucatoobf213: these tiny arrows only appear when the handle bars appear, the handle bars appear only when you hover to the left edge of the clock or the system tray. it's like an invisible separator07:55
obf213but takstbar, system tray, clock and window vew are all messed up07:55
xsachait should be a little bar between your clock and whatever it next to that fills up with dots and has an arrow appear when you hover your mouse over it07:56
Jucatooh well...07:56
obf213yeah i remember thouse07:56
xsachais it there.. or not?07:57
obf213not anymore07:57
xsachaif not you'll have to click right in the boundary and unlock panels..07:57
Jucatohe could have also disabled it in the Appearance options of Configure Panel07:58
xsachaor anywhere else07:58
xsachajust right click on taskbar somewhhere where it is empty.. do you see unlock panels?07:58
obf213got them07:58
obf213yeah i had disabled them jucato07:58
Jucatolol07:59
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xsachahmm all fonts come size 9 default in kubuntu.. they are size 10 default in KDE package08:02
xsachait still seems too large for me08:02
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xsachai was messing around with DisplaySize in X but by setting my monitors real width/length i only made it bigger lol08:02
Jucatoxsacha: does Kubuntu and default KDE use the same font?08:03
xsachadefault KDE actually had different sizes and fonts for each type of thing08:03
xsachakubuntu seems to only have one different: monospace08:04
xsachabut yeah fonts were pretty much the same, i think the toolbar was different08:04
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xsachaoh it could just be new version of KDE, i was using src of 3.5.308:05
xsachathis version has Force fonts DPI :) beautiful!08:05
kunjananyone having trouble with latest kde 3.5 and cups?08:05
xsachacompiling? or printing?08:05
kunjani cant access cups printer settings in system->printer in admin mode08:05
kunjanworks fine normally08:06
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xsachai dont have a printer to test it :(08:06
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kunjanAn error occurred while retrieving the printer list:08:07
kunjanConnection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: localhost: read failed (15).08:07
kunjanwhen its running fine08:07
kunjan:(08:07
xsachamaybe try reinstall cups?08:07
kunjandid tht, reinstalled hp drivers too08:07
xsacha:(08:07
kunjani can print fine with lp filename.pdf08:08
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kunjanhow to add users to CUPS?08:08
kunjani think that is the problem08:08
kunjani cant figure out how to do that08:08
xsachawhat group do they need to be in? print or something?08:08
kunjanlpadmin08:08
kunjanyeah i am part of that group08:08
kunjanlet me check if root's also a part of it or not :D08:09
xsacharoot is all? :)08:09
kunjanmy user name is08:09
kunjanroot wasnt08:09
kunjanrestarting cups08:09
xsachaoh you made a user root?08:09
xsachai have root in all08:10
kunjannaah still the same08:10
jonkelleall systems have a root user.  the password is just disabled by default in ubuntu.08:10
xsachait should be in all groups08:10
jonkellethe sudo mechanism replacing it for some measure of security.08:10
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xsachayeah i know08:11
xsachaError: localhost: read failed (15)  is localhost on?08:12
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xsachaifconfig lo08:13
kunjanno if i do http://localhost:631 i can see CUPS web configs just fine08:13
kunjanlike i said, lp finename.pdf prints fine!08:13
kunjanthere is something wrong with kde and/or permissions08:13
unix_infidelkunjan: not if its an advanced pdf format.08:13
unix_infidelyou'd probably have to convert to ps.08:14
xsachacheck out /etc/cups/cupsd.conf08:14
kunjanunix_infidel: cups prints pdfs fine (maybe converting it to PS internally)08:14
xsachais DefaultAuthType in there?08:14
unix_infidelkunjan: which is why i said, try printing a pdf with images, and advanced divs.08:15
kunjanunix_infidel: my problem is not printing.... i need to change the print quality08:15
kunjanso for that, i need to go into system -> printers08:15
xsachakunjan.. did you check out /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ?08:15
kunjanand there i need to goto admin mode08:16
kunjanwhich doesnt work08:16
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kunjanxsacha: looking at it08:16
xsachacan you see DefaultAuthType?08:16
obf213anyone here use kweather08:16
obf213!kweather08:17
ubotukweather: weather display applet for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1207 kB, installed size 2260 kB08:17
kunjanxsacha: yeah?08:17
xsachawhat is it set as?08:17
kunjanBASIC08:17
kunjanerr Basic08:17
xsachak08:17
xsachaany restrictions?08:17
kunjan<Location />08:18
kunjan  Order allow,deny08:18
kunjan  Allow localhost08:18
kunjan  Allow @LOCAL08:18
kunjan</Location>08:18
xsachaand Location /admin ?08:18
xsachahas the same?08:18
kunjan<Location /admin>08:18
kunjan  Order allow,deny08:18
kunjan  Allow localhost08:18
kunjan</Location>08:18
kunjanits the default cupsd.conf file... havent changed anything yet08:19
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xsachanothing in there out of place? apparently KDE overwrites default and will cause that error you are getting08:19
kunjanit used to work before, i think (pretty sure) it started after i updated kde from apt-get update/upgrade and i think that broke it08:20
xsachayes, KDE overwrites that config file08:20
kunjanouch!08:20
kunjanthe funny thing is, i can see printer settings fine from CUPS in the printers panel08:20
kunjanwhen i am a normal user08:21
kunjanjust cant change it08:21
kunjanthe second i do admin mode, it even refuses to connect to cups!08:21
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kunjanand i get the same error when i try to print08:21
xsachayeah everyone seems to have got same problem when updating to KDE 3.5.5 http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qt-kde%40lists.debian.org/msg16353.html08:21
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kunjanwell apparently i didnt google hard enough08:22
kunjanWe believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of08:23
kunjankdelibs, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:08:23
kunjanguess i have to wait till this comes downstream into ubuntu's repos08:24
xsachawell apparently all it did was overwrites something in cupsd.conf ..08:24
xsachain there a section about requesting settings as admin?08:24
kunjanwhich one?08:25
kunjanthe bug report doesnt say wht was fixed they just ""its been fixed now" i m marking it done"08:25
kunjanfixed what!?????08:25
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xsachatry changing all the Allow localhost to Allow @LOCAL ?08:30
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xsachabecause localhost isnt in the man and localhost is giving error08:30
kunjanwhich section of the conf?08:30
xsachawherever you see Allow localhost08:31
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krautmoin08:32
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xsachas/Allow localhost/Allow @LOCAL done?08:33
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kunjanrestarting cups08:33
kunjannope08:34
xsacha:(08:34
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kunjan:(08:35
xsachacould always turn off auth as a workaround :P or remove @requirements08:35
kunjanhaha08:35
kunjannaah i will just wait till they update the package, will print this from school tomorrow08:36
kunjanthey still use kde3.208:36
kunjanlol08:36
flaccidiirc cups gui in kde has issues08:36
xsachayour school uses linux?08:36
kunjanyeah08:36
flaccidthats sick08:36
kunjanyeah fedora core :(08:36
xsachahehe08:36
xsachamy uni is on windows xp08:36
kunjanwell, we only have about 50 linux machines in the computer lab for general use08:37
flaccidmy uni is windows and mac on desktop, bsd servers08:37
kunjannot counting other machines, and quite abit of macs08:37
xsachaah ok, yeah i was just talking about general library and faculty computers08:37
kunjanthe nice thing is there is no waiting to use the linux machines08:37
kunjan;)08:38
flaccidthats sweet08:38
xsachathere are of course some linux ones in labs and supercomputer, sirius.. shell everest08:38
flaccidits funny how i do computing. most students go to the pc rooms. mac rooms are always available08:38
kunjanwe have 4-5 sun solaris boxes too08:38
flaccidand with new imac g5s wtf would you want a pc w/ windows?08:38
kunjanflaccid: yeah!08:38
xsacha:P08:38
flaccidya08:38
kunjanlike 10 people are waiting in a line, and you go walk right past them "excuse me, you jumping the line?"08:39
kunjanits just funny08:39
flaccidomg08:40
flaccidthats funny08:40
flaccidthat would shit me actually08:40
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kunjanthe funniest thing is tho08:41
xsachagah bug in konversation.. if i change foreground colour, only new messages get that foreground colour08:42
kunjani work as a comp tech, and we do backups... and sometimes customers hard drives are so corrupted, windows would refuse to see them08:42
seishinbyouSomething like that happened to one of the PCs in the office here08:43
kunjanyou would plug it in on linux and it works just fine!08:43
seishinbyouthanks to Mr. "When I want to turn off the computer I'll yank out the power cord"08:43
xsachalol08:43
kunjanlol08:43
xsachai do that all the time ;) on reiserfs too08:43
seishinbyouHe's a fresh salaryman drone, though08:43
kunjanmy boss was like "wht linux linux linux, anything your linux can do, windows will do"08:44
kunjanhe has stopped saying that now08:44
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xsachahe'd appreciate beryl i think08:45
xsachashould show him beryl08:45
kunjani showed him xgl a few months back08:45
xsachahah08:45
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xsachashould show him beryl now to show how fast the technology moves08:45
xsachaor.. september was really peak time.. not much happened since08:45
kunjanyeah after quinn forked it, it progressed quite fast08:46
kunjani still cant get it to work on amd64 tho08:46
flaccidi hate 'IT' people who are windows08:46
xsachaand nvidias driver :D i wish i had an nvidia card, its just not fair08:46
kunjanworks fine from a live cd08:46
xsachaim on amd65 kubuntu now, it better work lol08:46
xsacha64* yeah it worked on live cd for me too08:46
kunjanyeah something to do with dapper-amd6408:47
seishinbyouThe IT department at the division of Hitachi where I used to work was 100% windows.  They were panicked about Linux08:47
seishinbyou"It's a hacker tool anyways" they said08:47
xsachai tried on CRUX, but when i ran beryl i got this error that no one seems to know about :(08:47
kunjanlol08:47
bh_man this dapper to edgy upgrade is rather brutal08:47
danishat UNITED AIRLINES they are still using windows nt 4.0 and checkin counters08:48
seishinbyouI had to set up a RedHat environment as a test environment once, and the night when I left it running it's thing, one of the IT staff formatted the drive and installed NT08:48
Jucatobh_: how come?08:48
xsachamy ISP is using windows.. they got hit by blaster worm, believe it or not, a few years back08:48
bh_weird dependencies breaking08:48
kunjanseishinbyou: you would expect a big name like hitachi would have a clue abt linux!08:48
xsachanet was out for 2 days08:48
bh_libpango and fontconfig failing to install, etc...08:48
flaccidi used to work for a company that had a no-linux policy despite millions of dollars worth of infrastructure. they even used a windows port of bind for dns ffs!08:48
kunjanxsacha: ouch!08:48
Jucatoer guys, let's tone down the off-topic discussion a bit...08:48
seishinbyoukunjan: not all divisions, unfortunately08:48
danishThere self checkin counters are windows xp and macromedia flash based08:48
Jucatowe might accidentally fail to see someone needing help...08:48
Jucatobh_: you did dist-upgrade?08:49
seishinbyouHitachi's IT divisions, at least in Japan are more a joke than not, especially in the software end08:49
flaccidtis like how bigpond got done for delayed emails to customers. was due to a virus on the windows mail server08:49
bh_there's like a billion packages that need to be upgrade and it's kind of needing manual intervention to remove some of the funkier packages getting in the way of the update08:49
bh_Jucato, yes, but that's got problems as well08:49
bh_I did a normal upgrade instead just to limit the problem and manual intervention of the initramfs stuff as well08:49
Jucatobh_: well, if you have lots of packages installed, they'd have to be upgraded as well. Dapper packages won't run well on Edgy08:49
bh_right08:49
kunjanwhich reminds me i need to format for edgy... have been "tweaking" this one for too long08:50
Jucatobh_: do you also have unofficial repos/packages?08:50
bh_It's a bit of a surprise, but since the release date for edgy is so close, I've decided to upgrade now08:50
bh_don't think so08:50
flaccidwhy upgrade now08:50
xsachaim on RC1 of edgy08:50
bh_the official release is in 4 days08:50
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xsachaheh08:51
kunjanWindoze 9x/ME/2000/XP PC + New high speed cable connection + No firewall + No anti-spyware + No anti-virus + Kazza = The Killer CombinationTM!08:51
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danishi am a noob here when is the next stable relese of kubuntu due08:51
kunjanOct 26th?08:51
danishlike in 5 yrs or08:51
bh_so it better work or else bigger problems are going to happen across the user base08:51
Jucatowell, it's still RC...08:51
danishkunjan; on 26 the stable08:51
xsachaRC1 im on right now seems ok08:51
Jucatoalthough by now, there should be very few *critical* bugs left08:52
kunjandanish: yeah afaik08:52
bh_mktemp seems to be missing on this system08:52
danishi though website said that 6.10 would be supported for 5 yrs08:52
kunjanchange in / etc/apt/sources.list > change all dapper to "edgy" ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade08:52
xsachasupported for..08:52
Jucatodanish: 6.06 will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server08:53
xsachanot 5 years till next version08:53
Jucatothat's Dapper08:53
danishoh i c08:53
xsachaversions are every 6 months08:53
kunjan5 years gonna be long! :)08:53
Jucatoyeah...08:53
kunjani dont really thing after 5 years anyone would be running dapper08:53
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kunjani would be surprised08:53
Jucatodanish: it just means that there will be security updates for Dapper for 3-5 years. regular releases only last 18 months08:53
Jucatowho knows.08:54
flaccidif you run a server, why upgrade it. lots of people still could be running dapper in 5 years.08:54
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Jucatohow old is Sarge anyway. some are still running it08:54
xsachawell only 5 years for server kunjan.. and some servers.. yeah08:54
kunjanoh yeah forgot sarge08:54
seishinbyoukunjan> There are still Win 3.1 boxes at a few of my old companies08:54
seishinbyouWhy, noone knows08:54
kunjani have seen mac system 708:54
xsachaif it works, why upgrade it eh?08:54
seishinbyouThat is the logic, doubly so for Japanese managers08:54
kunjanif aint broke dont fix it08:54
kunjanlol08:55
seishinbyou"When we want a system, we want it now, and never to worry about it again"08:55
Jucatoit's also a principle followed "sometimes" in development :)08:55
flaccidsolutions need problems. existing solutions don't require problems.08:55
seishinbyouHey, I loved watching the management on the .jp side getting horribly confused in a meeting with a US company over "Software MTBF"08:55
kunjanseishinbyou: MTBF for software?08:56
flaccidi guess i mean problems need solutions. if no problem then why make a solution08:56
xsachait can be broke and still work and that's good enough for some :P08:56
seishinbyoukunjan: Yep, it was generally a very entertaining meeting08:56
seishinbyou"We'll ship you the software on (date).  It is expected to crash once every month critically, we'll patch it every 2 weeks until the MTBF drops to once a year"...08:57
kunjansounds like microsoft to me08:57
Jucatolol08:58
kunjan"we will only fix your bugs on tuesdays"08:58
xsachaim sure they supported winxp sp1 for more than a year.. 2 years?08:58
seishinbyouNah, though we do have dealings with them here.  Not a terrible place to work it seems, unless you are in the Xbox division08:58
kunjanxsacha: not sure when sp1 came out08:58
kunjanat work i refuse to touch machines with win ME on it.. 98 SE i will fix. no ME08:59
kunjanpeople are still using those08:59
kunjanhaha08:59
xsachai had ME for about 3 days08:59
xsachait was terrible08:59
xsachano improvements, just a load of problems09:00
flaccidnot much of a dif between those kunjan09:00
xsacha98se was much more stable09:00
flaccidon some machines09:01
kunjanflaccid: technically yeah09:01
kunjani hated the day they put ie4 as part of windows09:01
kunjanthats the day i started using wht red hat 5?09:01
kunjanwhen was that 95/96?09:01
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kunjanwe had fvwm95 as the window manager09:02
kunjanlol09:02
xsacha"I managed to install Xgl and Beryl on my Kubuntu Edgy AMD64." aha! there is hope for me yet!09:02
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bh_100mhz Pentium09:02
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kunjanyeah before the mmx came out09:02
bh_scary09:03
xsachaamiga, commodore, pentium, pentium, amd, amd, amd, ..09:03
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bh_the 486 was just ending09:03
seishinbyouAh, MMX, the technology salesmen couldn't properly explain to customers (at least where I lived)09:03
kunjanman i wish LCD was cheaper then09:03
seishinbyouJust like "What does MMX mean?" "It means you don't need a sound card anymore"09:03
kunjanseishinbyou: LOL09:04
xsacha"it does something so good that it makes this computer worth... how much money do you have?"09:04
flaccidmultimedia extensions09:04
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=== xsacha hugs lilo :)
flaccidyou still need a sound card yes09:04
flaccid:009:04
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kunjanlilo+win95+linux dual boot howto09:04
flaccidwas a buzz word but09:04
kunjanlol remember those howtos09:05
bh_I'm talking about lilo the person.09:05
xsachaneeded a howto for that? :S09:05
seishinbyouHowto: Install Beryl on an Amiga 50009:05
xsachaooo i want that howto09:05
kunjanlilo the person?09:05
xsachathat would be so funny09:05
Jucatolilo the father of freenode09:05
kunjanyeah well i was in india at that time... had dial up and BBS09:06
kunjanfreaking expensive09:06
xsachaXFCE + beryl + nvidia -- what's worst comp that could run on?09:06
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kunjanxsacha: not sure, i have not played with xfce much09:06
xsachacan get xfce looking pretty nice and a lot less resources..09:07
kunjanyeah, but i need konqureror09:07
kunjanawesome file manager...09:07
xsachahttp://xfce-look.org/content/pre1/42755-1.jpg09:07
seishinbyoukunjan: Boy how times have changed, though (re: connection speed/rates).  It's depressing to think how expensive it used to be09:08
xsachai've had same internet connection for 7 years.. 10mbit cable @ $60/month09:08
kunjanxsacha: pretty09:08
xsachaexcept now it's $54/month because 10% discount09:08
seishinbyoustill, ouch09:09
kunjanseishinbyou: man i had a shell account, the isp's ran some unix (was too young to know what) and /etc/passwd was world readable09:09
kunjanthere was not /etc/shadow09:09
kunjanno*09:09
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kunjanyou just had to buy an account once09:09
xsachai remember being able to go to /etc/passwd on websites09:10
kunjanwhich was still too expensive!09:10
seishinbyouWhen I lived in Canada, there were pre-pay internet packages.  Pay $25 and you get 10 hours of dialup09:11
seishinbyouNow I laugh, though I am spoiled with cheap access here09:11
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kunjaninternet was soo expensive back then, that my dad would freak out every time i would check my email... yahoo had free pop mail at that time, so i wrote an app which would hide and check and download my pop email09:12
xsachacheck this out: http://xfce-look.org/content/pre1/46153-1.jpg   beryl on XFCE09:12
kunjaneverytime he connected09:12
kunjanxsacha: no videos of that?09:12
flaccidi have to go09:13
flaccidbbl09:13
xsachano idea, probably on youtube09:13
kunjanlater flaccid09:13
xsachai remember when i first got the internet, my mother thought we had to pay dial fee every time i went to a different server09:13
Ahmuckis there an alarm clock in kubuntu that will go off at a set time, with a snooze and a cresendo alarm ?09:13
xsachabecause she thought i was 'dialling' to a different server09:13
Ahmuckthat will connect to a music stream and go09:13
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seishinbyouMy favourite line from tech support back at a Canadian ISP "Just because the service is 'unlimited' doesn't mean you can stay connected as long as you like"09:14
seishinbyouFunny, I thought you used the word "unlimited"09:15
kunjanAhmuck: you could try amarok's scripts that would start playing your playlists09:15
Jucatoseishinbyou: heheh09:15
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xsachaseishinbyou: my ISP called 'unlimited', 10 GB download09:15
xsachaim on unlimited plan but i can only d/l 10 GB lol09:16
seishinbyou10GB is so big it is practically unlimited09:16
kunjanmy friends in india pay for 400 mb/month09:16
kunjani m like, i use that in like 30 mins!09:16
xsachame too09:16
xsachagood thing is i can d/l everything linux related off files.bigpond.com at 1MB/s and it doesnt count to download limit09:16
seishinbyouMy parents still have a fairly slow connection; I usually download stuff for them here and mail them a DVD or 12 of what they wanted09:17
seishinbyouIt usually was faster09:17
xsachai got amd64 kubuntu edgy rc1 off there09:17
DarthShrinexsacha: 'Sif use BigPuddle.09:17
kunjanxsacha: so bigpond meters you by bandwidth?09:17
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xsachaDarthShrine: optus doesnt go past my house09:17
xsachakunjan: they apparently do, but i've d/led 100 GB in a month and havent been capped -- it says ont he website they 'may' cap you09:18
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xsachabigpond is only isp i can use here:(09:18
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Jucato_ah my doppelganger has returned :)09:19
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realfolkbluesanyone home?09:19
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zordais there a ubunto chat?09:20
realfolkblueszorda: i would guess so but i dont know09:20
Jucatozorda: #ubuntu09:20
xsachahow come people think it's an 'o'? ubuntU09:21
zordaJucato: thanks09:21
realfolkbluescan anyone help me understand this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1465348#post146534809:21
Jucatoxsacha: because ubuntu sounds.. hm... strange? :)09:21
xsachasounds like a cup of coffee to me09:21
seishinbyouHeh, over here, a lot of people still call it "UbOnto"09:21
xsachanow that's just weird09:21
seishinbyouI guess it does sound a bit more powerful and awe-inspiring09:21
Jucatosome actually say "uh-bun-tuh"09:21
seishinbyouespecially if you emphasize the O really loudly09:22
bmoyou do realize there is a _video_ on your system that has people saying ubuntu correctly and one of them is nelson mandela, correct?09:22
Jucatoor uh-bun-too09:22
kunjanallright guys i am out! its in the am here09:22
zordabye Jucato09:22
seishinbyouThis is the same office that is waiting for Vubuntu09:22
Jucatobye zorda09:22
seishinbyousorry, VubOnto09:22
xsachayou-bun-too09:22
Jucatobmo: yeah.09:22
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Jucatoxsacha: no. oo-boon-too09:22
seishinbyoubye kunjan09:22
kunjanseishinbyou: later!09:23
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seishinbyoubmo> I'm a bit late on replying, but very few in the office can understand any English09:24
seishinbyouIt is just a pretty stream of sounds to them09:24
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Jucatohehe09:24
xsachaamarok takes ages to generate playlist, argh09:24
bmoah09:25
bmoheh09:25
xsachaNoatun it's likes 4 seconds09:25
xsachaAmarok going on a minute09:25
Jucatoseishinbyou: I'd imagine Japanese wouldn't have problems pronouncing Ubuntu properly, though :)09:26
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seishinbyouOh, they wouldn't have a problem, if I bothered telling them how to pronounce it.  It is much more fun letting them guess09:26
Jucatolol09:27
xsachaamarok is still listing my tracks.. up to #51609:27
seishinbyouOnly in a formal meeting am I expected to be super-1337-3ngrIsh interpreter09:27
momalHow can i make everything on my kubuntu box use a proxy from the net?... including applications run from console... so everything that goes through my network card to the internet to put the proxy on?09:28
xsachaTor? or go through router proxy09:28
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momalwell... I want to just make everything on my box use a proxy without having to set each applications(also some applications don't have the setting to use a proxy)09:30
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momalthe proxy setting under kde wont work for apps run via console09:30
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xsachayes09:30
xsachaTor should do this? otherwise use proxy in your router09:31
momalRouter doesn't support using a proxy.. but i'll try this "tor" you speak of :)09:31
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momal!Tor09:31
xsachaok09:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about Tor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:31
momal!info tor09:31
ubotutor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0.16-1ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 608 kB, installed size 1120 kB09:32
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seishinbyouGolf insurance...great, just what I don't need09:37
lainproliantlol09:37
seishinbyou1 million yen hole-in-one insurance...it's good to be safe09:37
seishinbyouThat is never going to happen anyways09:38
lainprolianti had a question but i think i just figured it out09:38
lainproliant^_^09:38
seishinbyoucongratulations09:38
lainprolianti didn't know that you could specify a subscript to iwconfig <interface> key s:<key> [N] 09:38
lainproliantyay this is great09:38
xsachadoes anyone know where the menu updater is? or what it is called? when i built kde from source i had it but i cant find it in kubuntu09:38
lainprolianti had thought that something went wrong in the ASCII/HEX conversion internally lol09:39
birdfishOn a laptop with a single 80 gig harddrive, what would be the best way to partition the harddrive?09:40
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birdfishSuch that in the future I would be able to upgrade the operating system without running into troubles with having to small of a root partition and whatnot09:41
seishinbyouDo you want to install multiple OSs on it?09:41
xsachai usually go half/half09:41
xsachabut i end up only using up 3GB of space LOL09:41
birdfishNope.  But I've heard that installing on one partition is bad09:41
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xsachainstalling one partition with no free space is bad09:42
birdfishI was thinking something like / = 4 gigs09:42
Jobberwacky6MB for root, swap depends on memory, rest for /home that's mine09:42
Jobberwacky* mean 6GB09:42
birdfish6mb for root?09:42
xsachainstalling just 1 partition is alright though, as long as it doesnt cover the entire 80 gb09:42
birdfishOh09:42
xsachaand you'll want a second partition for swap on linux09:42
birdfishJobberwacky: because I thought I read somewhere that ubuntu/kubuntu had an unregularly large kernel or something09:42
Jobberwackybirdfish, not that large09:43
xsacha6GB root/1GB swap/33GB for you sound ok :) 6GB way too much for me though09:43
birdfishdoes having a smaller root partition make the system boot faster?09:43
bmono09:43
birdfishAh, it just allows you to rebuild the system without loosing data then?09:44
xsachagot 1.7MB bzImage here on kubuntu amd64 edgy rc109:44
birdfishxsacha: 1.7 MB / image ?09:44
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xsachayes09:44
lainprolianthello again09:44
seishinbyouOh, back for more?09:44
lainprolianthehe false alarm >_< not fixed09:44
bmono, having a separate root partition from the /home partition allows you to change over the OS without nuking the /home partition09:44
lainproliantyeah09:44
lainproliantfor some reason lately (has worked in the past) when i try to connect to some of my wireless networks using iwconfig and the ASCII key option it fails09:45
bmoFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on09:45
bmo/dev/hdb1              28G  6.9G   20G  27% /09:45
birdfishxsacha: Hm, so probably a root partition of around 2 or 3 gigs would be more than large enough to sustain multiple system upgrades throughout the course of time?09:45
lainproliantyet if i use the hex keys it connects perfectly09:45
xsachayes09:45
bmo6 gigs could be too small09:45
birdfishbmo: why?09:46
bmosee up09:46
lainprolianti wonder what i could have done lol09:46
xsacha6 gigs for root? :O09:46
bmoat the /dev/hdb109:46
xsachabmo is that just your root? or you /home as well?09:46
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birdfishbmo: hdb1 is your root partition then?09:46
bmono, my /home is this:09:46
bmodev/hda1             223G   82G  141G  37% /home09:46
birdfishBecause I don't understand how someone can have a 1.7 MB root and another have a 6.9 GB root09:46
Jucatoremember that APT downloads packages temporarily to /var09:46
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Jucatoon cannot have a 1.7mb root, afaik. unless it's something like Damn Small Linux09:47
xsachabirdfish: 1.7MB bzImage, my / is 1GB09:47
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bmoa gigabyte of space is what, $.50 US?09:48
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xsacha./dev/hda1             40318700   4741152  35577548  12% /media/hda1  -- this is CRUX for /root, /home and everything else09:48
birdfishxsacha: ah, so what is the bzImage?  (I'm really new to linux and am just trying to find out enough for the time being to have a nice clean reliable system)09:48
xsachathe kernel birdfish09:48
birdfishAh09:48
bmoxsacha, use df -h to get prettier statistics09:48
xsacha./dev/hda1              39G  4.6G   34G  12% /media/hda1  dont like the KB? :P09:49
xsachathat's every single package + source required to make package and the byproducts in there (up to beryl)09:49
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xsachaeverything on it was compiled from source, so can't get much bigger than that unless i started installing stuff i didnt need09:50
momalxsacha: with tor I can set it to just goto a proxy I have set up then to where its meant to go right?09:50
bmoxsacha, I have a bunch of other stuff installed too.  I have unofficial repositories, etc09:50
xsachaif i delete the source that could get under a gig09:50
birdfishmind if I make up a quick partitioning scheme (pastbin it) and then give you guys the link to critique?09:50
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lainprolianti think that i may have lost myself in key indexes09:51
lainprolianti am going to try a few things brb09:51
xsachamomal: i dont think you can set which proxies it goes to, it does it all automatically and uses its own proxies -- havent used it in a while though09:51
momalxsacha: ahh ok damn.. going to be no use to me :(09:51
xsacha:(09:51
thomas_argh, no matter what I do fglrxinfo always reports mesa3d! How do I get around this?? The binary howtos just aren't working09:51
birdfishAlso, on a laptop with a gig of memory should I go with 2 gigs of swap or just 1?09:52
xsachathomas_ when you run fglrx installer, what version of X does it say you have?09:52
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thomas_fglrx installer?09:53
xsachai had that problem and fixed it by --extract'ing it and then running ./ati-installer.sh x710 --install09:53
Admiral_Chicagowhats the command to list my running processes and sort them by memory use09:53
lainproliantfoo :(09:53
thomas_ooh09:53
xsachabecause it was detecting my X as 6.909:53
Admiral_Chicagopstree -m or something like that09:53
thomas_ah, ok, lemme try that09:53
lainproliantHi again :)09:53
lainproliantI have having  a peculiar and frustrating issue with my wireless network configuration09:54
lainproliantwhen i connect to a wireless network using iwconfig and the s: option for the WEP key to be specified as an ASCII string, connection fails09:54
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: Ctrl+Esc? :)09:54
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lainproliantwhen i do not specify s: and enter the key as an ASCII numerical string, it works09:55
lainproliantHEX i mean sorries09:55
lainproliantit works if i specify the key as HEX but fails if i specify the key as ASCII09:55
thomas_xsacha: should I be worried about "find: install/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri: No such file or directory"?09:55
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: hmm might have to do that09:55
Admiral_Chicagoi hate Fx's memory leak09:55
xsachawhy is it using X11R6?09:55
thomas_not that I know of09:56
Admiral_Chicagoi'm going to kill it command like and hopefully it'll think it crased09:56
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: it's not a memory leak. it's a feature :P09:56
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: Ctrl+Alt+Esc then?09:56
bmook, drives are dirt cheap now.  seagate 200G drive: 50 bux at CompUSA.  5 of these and you have a cool terabyte for $250 US09:56
xsachai made a symlink from /usr/X11R6 to /usr09:56
Admiral_Chicagoyea i killed it09:56
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thomas_xsacha: you mean /usr/lib, right?09:57
birdfishOkay, here is the link to my quickly drawn up partitioning scheme, http://pastebin.ca/21671309:57
xsachano09:58
lainproliantis it possible that the ASCII/HEX conversion formula may be assuming the wrong WEP key length in bits?09:58
thomas_well, I installed it. gonna give'r a reboot. (also, I ran aticonfig --initial and aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv)09:58
lainproliantmy network is now running WEP 128bit atm (until i learn to use wpa_supplicant)09:58
Admiral_Chicagomy trick worked09:58
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: hehehe09:58
Jucato2GB swap?09:59
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birdfishJucato: well, I had heard that you should double the physical, but perhaps that has changed now?09:59
xsachawow edgy comes with direct rendering: yes09:59
xsachabut: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b10:00
Jucatobirdfish: you have 1GB RAM I presume?10:00
birdfishyep10:00
bmoit depends, jucato.  rule of thumb is 2x real memory, but I only have 1x real memory for 2gb swap and 2gb RAM, and sometimes I just turn off the swap10:00
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: i think 1. i don't get this beagle was running and taking up mad memory10:00
Admiral_Chicagoi don't even use beagle10:00
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bmobeagle is ok once it quiets down, AC10:00
Jucatobmo, birdfish: yes it all depends if you can foresee using memory intensive operations like compiling, rendering, etc10:00
JucatoI have 1GB RAM, and 1GB Swap. my swap rarely gets used these days, though10:01
bmoat first Beagle goes insane trying to index everything.10:01
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bmobut I've been running it for a month now, and it's quieted down much10:01
birdfishJucato: perhaps, but only in the future.  For the time being, I mainly will be using the laptop to do my schoolwork on as well as remotely learn about and administer my server from home10:01
Jucatohm.... birdfish on second thought, since you have that much room to spare. it's OK I guess10:02
momalanyone know a way to can make ever program in kubuntu (includeing console programs) to use a specified proxy? (so all network traffic(to the internet) to be put through the proxy)10:02
lainproliantlol my wifi is annoying :(10:02
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thomas_xsacha: nope, that didn't do it, it still report mesa :(10:02
birdfishJucato: okay :)  And about leaving the spare room at the end of the harddrive.  Is that a plus or a negative?  I mean, what will I be able to do with it later on if I don't partition it now?10:03
bh__Is xserver-xgl worth running /10:03
bh__?10:03
lainprolianti wonder if it is maybe a quirk with the ASCII key generators in my router lol10:03
thomas_also: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".10:03
xsachasome people said they needed to hard restart computer to fix that btw thomas10:03
xsachaohhh xlib10:03
thomas_..10:03
thomas_oh.10:03
Jucatobirdfish: it's a plus for me. although I'd format it into a certain filesystem rather than leave it unpartition/unformatted10:03
xsachayou're missing fglrx DRI10:04
thomas_gasp10:04
momalbh__: if you need it for the use of it then it is.. but unless you want to run something like beryl(new compiz) then no real point10:04
birdfishJucato: okay, and for wordprocessing and the like, ext3 format would probably be the best?10:04
bmobh_ xservergl is cool, and so is beryl, but sometimes things just get in the way. heh.  you have to find out for yourself10:04
Jucatobirdfish: well, ext3 is the default anyway. so it's good.10:04
thomas_xsacha: so, how does one fix that?10:05
xsachado you have fglrx_dri.so?10:05
birdfishJucato: is there anything else that I should check into though?  or should I just use that for now?10:05
lainproliantI search forums and such: all i find are instances where users cannot connect via their ASCII key or their HEX keys10:05
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thomas_xsacha: locate fglrx_dri.so reports nothing10:05
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Jucatobirdfish: I'm no partitioning expert. but everything looks good if you're planning to run a simple Linux system10:05
thomas_shouldn't that come with the installer?10:05
bh__momal, certainly not something you'd run everyday right ?10:05
xsachafind /*|grep fglrx_dri.so10:05
bh__at least not yet, eh ?10:06
lainprolianti can connect with a HEX key10:06
lainproliantwhich is what is somewhat frustrating lol10:06
birdfishJucato: awesome.  Thanks for everything dude, I really appreciate all the help! :D10:06
thomas_ah, indeed10:06
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Jucatobirdfish: good luck10:06
thomas_xsacha: indeed, there it is10:06
momalbh__: I run beryl... but im a sucker when it comes to eye candy.. but unless you want flipping desktops and wobbly windows you probly wouln't have much use for it10:06
xsachawhere is it?10:06
bh__momal, is it faster than the normal desktop nvidia driver ?10:07
thomas_~/ATI/fglrx-install/arch/x86/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri10:07
xsachaok i believe it needs to be in /usr/lib/modules/dri/10:07
momalbh__: there is no difference between xgl and x unless your running something else to use it10:07
thomas_xsacha: you sur it's not supposed to be /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri?10:08
xsachaare you using xorg6?10:08
thomas_no, latest kubuntu edgy10:08
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xsachalatest kubuntu edgy comes preinstalled with fglrx :S10:08
thomas_heh, didn't wokr10:09
thomas_work10:09
xsachaim on it now and havent installed anything yet, heh10:09
bh__yeah, the only thing that was a problem was the "mktemp" program needed to be reinstalled, but everything is better now10:09
bh__the upgrade was moderately difficult10:09
thomas_xsacha: well, when I installed, it definately detected my card, and decided to use te ati driver.10:09
thomas_yet it still reported mesa10:09
xsachaati?10:09
thomas_driver "ati"10:10
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xsachaoh, yeah10:10
xsachamine too10:10
thomas_I'd like to use 3d extensions, and enjoy my tv-out10:10
xsachait has 3d on ati driver, no?10:10
xsachai have direct rendering: yes on it10:11
thomas_have you ran glxgears10:11
thomas_?10:11
xsachayes10:11
thomas_and it's bearable?10:11
xsachavery10:11
seishinbyou...define "bearable"10:11
xsachagetting 14000 (per 5 seconds)10:11
livingdaylightis there a refresh command for kde?10:11
thomas_hm10:11
thomas_I'm running an x700 mobility in mylaptop10:11
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xsacharadeon 9600 here10:11
livingdaylighthi momal10:12
lainproliantOkay10:12
lainprolianti have found some more information in context of my issue10:12
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livingdaylightharo momal!10:12
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lainproliantis it true that iwconfig expects only to work with 9 and 13 byte ASCII keys?10:12
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livingdaylightanyone know what the command is for 'hello' in Japanese?10:12
lainproliantkonichiwa?10:13
seishinbyouWell, that is "good afternoon"... what context is this "hello"?10:13
JucatoO_o10:13
thomas_brb10:13
lainprolianthehe ^_^10:13
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lainproliant:( i wish my iwconfig wasn't acting up10:13
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seishinbyouI see "hello" and "command" in the same request and wonder what the request is...10:14
lainprolianti know i can connect to my school's wireless network with an ASCII key but their key is exactly 13bytes10:14
lainproliantmy key is some obscure number of bytes10:14
lainproliantnot 1310:14
lainproliantnor 910:14
xsachamy router only lets me do it exactly as well lain10:14
xsachait wont let any number less or more10:15
lainproliantah10:15
lainproliantso if i set an ASCII key of length 9 or 13 on my router and then connected with encryption s:"string" it would work?10:15
Admiral_Chicagolivingdaylight: ohio?10:15
lainproliantcool ^_^10:15
Admiral_Chicagothat's good morning10:15
Admiral_Chicagohmm10:15
lainprolianti am happy now i am not going crazy lol10:15
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xsachaif it lets you have less characters, it must be filling up the rest of the characters.. maybe 00s?10:16
lainproliantwell, i will work with the hex key for what i need to do now10:16
lainproliantpossibly10:16
lainproliantor nulls10:16
lainproliantyeah 0s are nulls lol10:16
xsachalol10:16
lainproliantcan you represent nulls in bash like you can in C code?10:16
lainproliant\0?10:16
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thomas_till no worky :(10:16
thomas_still*10:16
xsachahex key right? 0010:16
lainproliantno i was using an ASCII key10:16
xsachaoh :S10:17
lainprolianti can connect ( and am connected now ) to my wireles using the hex key10:17
lainproliantthe problem arises when i try to connect using the same key in ASCII10:17
lainproliantthere is something up with the conversion between ASCII and HEX or it could be that i can only use a certain number of ASCII characters in my generated key10:17
xsachamost likely the latter10:18
lainproliantah okies10:18
lainproliantthen what you said before still applies10:18
lainproliant^_^10:18
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xsachayeah, nulls, hmm :P10:18
lainproliantlol10:18
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lainprolianti think i know what is going on10:18
lainproliantthe key i am using now is > 13 chars10:19
xsachaoh10:19
lainproliantit is probably going back to the beginning with the rest of the characters and redoing the cipher at those points with the remaining characters10:19
lainproliant(cyclical)10:19
lainproliantso yeah10:19
lainprolianti think i will just cut the key down to 13bytes10:19
xsachaget the source code, edit maximum char to whatever you need, recompile? ;)10:19
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lainproliantworks :P10:20
seishinbyouOh dear, the .jp Ubuntu Linux site is a bit out of date/neglected... and the definition of "Ubuntu" is printed in English10:20
xsacha:P10:20
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lainproliantor implement it to do what my wierdo Windoze stuff used to do10:20
xsachaso no japanese joining us any time soon?10:20
lainproliantlol aww10:21
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seishinbyouWell, in many cases, JP managers don't want their employees using anything other than Windows10:21
seishinbyouFor some silly reason10:21
lainproliantwow10:21
lainproliantthat's insane10:21
seishinbyouNo, having people work themselves to death is insan10:22
seishinbyou*insane10:22
seishinbyouI'm not being figurative, either10:22
lainprolianti am sorrie :(10:22
lainproliantdid i say something wrong, seishinbyou?10:22
seishinbyouBah, I'm ranting again, so I'll stop there.  Fortunately, those dark days are gone for me10:22
lainproliantoh10:22
lainprolianti see what you mean10:22
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xsachathomas_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Xgl.2FBeryl_.28ATI.29   -- in here it uses xgl/beryl with ati driver10:23
lainproliantWell, i am still in college10:23
lainprolianti have no idea what it is like in the true IT world10:23
lainproliantmy history is just playing around with various programming languages and enviornments10:24
seishinbyouhehe, Well, I'd hardly consider some of the stronghand tactics leftover from the bubble economy "true IT world"10:24
lainprolianti am relatively new with Linux10:24
lainproliantlol10:24
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lainproliantI Just want to get to coding as fast as i can lol :P10:24
lainproliantwhich makes me mad that KDevelop is acting up lol10:24
lainprolianti went in and changed its default script to force it to use the version of automake that i had installed (1.9) and it still fails10:25
xsachalain: edit source of that wireless thing you're using to accept more than 13 chars ;)10:25
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lainproliantthen i revert back to 1.6 and the old script (which it wants) and it fails still, saying that it expects the version that is installed lol10:25
xsachavery safe connection considering everyone else can only use 13 ;)10:26
lainprolianthehe true10:26
lainproliantbut could still be broken by packet monitors10:26
lainproliantWEP is dead10:26
xsachamy neighbour has no key or anything :) accidently connect to her comp all the time10:26
lainprolianti only use it because WPA/PSK > WEP > Nothing10:26
seishinbyouMost of the APs around my house and work (and the route there) are open anyways10:27
lainproliantI heard a story where Lowes department stores didn't use any encryption10:27
xsachafunny thing, not only does she have no key, she's got all her hard drives shared10:27
lainproliantand these wardriver guys would drive up to the side of the store and were able to access through the Lowes subnetwork the corporate records of all Lowes sales transactions10:27
lainproliantlol that's not smart10:27
seishinbyouxsacha: Excellent!  Everyone can join in on the party10:27
xsacha:)10:28
lainproliantlets all ssh over to xsacha10:28
xsachahah i have port 22 open actually10:28
lainproliantand we can all download some random lady's files yay10:28
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lainproliantfind something incriminating :P10:28
lainproliantthen report it to the police and call yourself a hero10:28
xsachai already did lol10:28
lainproliant:P10:28
xsachaand i stole 3dsmax8 from her10:29
lainproliantlol10:29
xsachait was pirated but, .. it was much faster from her comp than net10:29
lainproliantalritie bedtime10:29
lainprolianthehe10:29
lainprolianttrue10:29
lainproliantwell, bedtime10:29
xsachagnite10:29
lainproliantthanks for all of your help everyone :)10:29
lainproliantnice chatting with you and i will be back (not necessarily for problems lol)10:30
seishinbyouuntil next time10:30
lainprolianti just have to get up at 7:30 and it is now 4.29 lol10:30
lainproliantbyebyes :)10:30
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thomas_sweet zombie jesus I got it10:31
thomas_xsacha: thank you for your help10:31
xsacha:D10:32
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xsachawhat worked/10:32
thomas_well, not entirely sure. I did move the fglrx_dri.so to the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ dir, but I also threw in the disable composite in my xorg.conf file as wel10:33
thomas_I swear I did that before, however10:33
thomas_meh10:33
xsachahmm mine doesnt run without composite enabled10:33
thomas_one day this will work outta the box.10:33
visik7how can I remove border of a window via dcop ?10:33
thomas_well you're on the ati driver, right?10:34
thomas_not fglrx10:34
xsachai mean on fglrx... i havent got beryl on this one yet10:34
thomas_oh10:34
xsachaberyl would say composite had to be enabled10:34
thomas_I'm still stock over here. no beryl or xgl. Don't think I'm gonna go with either of those until they're a little more mature10:34
Jucatovisik7: Alt+F3 -> Advanced Window Settings?10:34
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xsachawhen i enable composite i get this libGL warning, but it works anyway10:34
visik7Jucato: yes10:34
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visik7Jucato: via dcop10:34
Jucatoah....10:35
Jucato:(10:35
mchasarthi10:35
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seishinbyouxsacha: I get a warning all the time when running from anything from a terminal "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b"10:35
mchasartyesterday i tried the new kubutu 6.10 edgy10:35
seishinbyouWorks fine, though10:35
xsachayes exact same one i get10:35
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thomas_mchasart: what'd you think? I'm on it right now10:35
mchasartbut after the boot in live cd i don't have any internet connection10:35
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Jucatovisik7: try in #kde :)10:36
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thomas_mchasart: did you edit your system settings for the correct default route and gateway?10:36
mchasartusually i had no troubles about it10:36
xsachai started up this amd64 kubuntu edgy and i got: net, direct rendering and everything else just from install :)10:36
mchasartits dhcp auto for me10:36
xsachabut GRUB bootloader didnt work -- i installed lilo over it10:36
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magicmikeHi. I'm trying to get my windowsxp hd to be recognized by the linux hd. The windows hd is slave and is fat32. I get response when trying to mount "10:37
magicmikeCould not mount device.10:37
magicmikeThe reported error was:10:37
magicmike[mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab10:37
magicmikemount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab10:37
mchasartso strange cause eth0 was desactived when i saw10:37
xsachamike is it fat32 or ntfs?10:37
magicmikefat3210:37
xsachaok good10:37
Jucato!fat3210:37
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse10:37
mchasartand even i reactived it no way to get some connection10:37
Jucato^^^^^^^^^^^^^^10:37
thomas_sweet zombie jebus. Yes! it totally works10:37
xsachaand your /etc/fstab file.. nevermind, read that link10:37
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thomas_now, for the wifi10:38
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mchasartwhat do you think about fluxbuntu or xubuntu project ?10:38
xsachawifi drivers give me nightmares -- i have to use windows ones10:38
Jucatoxsacha: no go ahead. your instructions might be easier10:38
thomas_Even worse: i'm on an acer laptop10:38
seishinbyouI have Xubuntu installed at home10:38
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thomas_it's a software enabled wifi device10:38
xsachaXFCE + beryl looks sweet and works well on old machine :D10:38
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seishinbyouIt runs well, I guess.  My home PC is an ancient relic, though10:39
thomas_thus, I must install acer_acpi AND acer_hk and THEN the wifi drivers10:39
JucatoXubuntu and Fluxbuntu are good alternatives. that's all I can say :)10:39
mchasartok and xubuntu dont follow for 6.10 edgy ?10:39
mchasartyes i tried fluxbuntu its very light for small config10:39
thomas_what's the big difference between beryl and xgl? Why is beryl so hot right now?10:39
xsachamy livecd uses flux10:39
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serishemahey, my laptop battery meter has disappeared in kde and i can't get it back10:39
serishemaany ideas?10:39
mchasartyour livecd ...? you remasterd an ubuntu livecd ?10:39
xsachaberyl is improved (forked) version of compiz... it's a manager10:40
thomas_as a user, will I notice the difference?10:40
mchasartor is it fluxbuntu the other project independant apparently10:40
xsachabig difference thomas_ :P10:40
thomas_Weren't xgl and compiz both alpha-ish software anyways?10:40
xsachayeah10:40
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xsachayou have xgl+compiz and xgl+beryl, (or alternatives to xgl) they do not replace xgl10:41
xsachaberyl / compiz manage it.. and emerald does themes10:41
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thomas_IIRC, xgl/compiz didn't do tv-out. does beryl?10:41
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xsachai think that's an issue with xgl? if you use aiglx it should be fine?10:42
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xsachayou can use aiglx or nvidia drivers to replace xgl10:43
xsachalucky people with nvidia cards, eh?10:43
munuelhi10:43
thomas_no kidding10:43
xsachanvidia drivers have it built in10:43
thomas_I wish ati didn't rule the laptop video market10:43
livingdaylightanyone know about Kover?10:43
livingdaylightapplication to create cd labels10:44
xsachaim never buying an ati video card again, but right now all my videocards are ati10:44
mchasartso no way for my connection troubles10:44
livingdaylighttrying to add Kover to my list so when i put a cd in , i have the option of opening the cd with kover rather than kaffeine etc10:44
birdfishHey guys, I'm back and on the newly installed machine :D10:44
livingdaylightseems i should be able to open the cd album with kover after which it will detect the album artist and name to create teh cover10:44
livingdaylightbut can't add kover to my menu list of applications to open a cd10:44
thomas_mchasart: all I got for you is to make sure your routes and gateways and dns are set up just find10:45
thomas_fine*10:45
birdfishJust one more question (that has always bothered me about partitioning).  Since I created only 3 partitions (/, swap, /home), all of the programs and whatnot will be installed under /home, correct?  Or will they be installed under /?10:45
mchasarthum ok10:45
Jucatobirdfish: /10:45
birdfishHm, damn10:45
Jucatobirdfish: unless you compile the app and give instructions to install in /home10:45
birdfishShould have asked that earlier, I guess10:45
Jucatobirdfish: don't worry, 6GB will still be enough10:46
Jucato:)10:46
birdfish:D10:46
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seishinbyouYeah, it's not like it's Vista or something10:46
birdfish=)10:46
birdfishVista is ridiculous10:46
JucatoI had 10GB setup for / and I ended up actually "reclaiming" 5GB for my /home10:46
seishinbyouI installed Vista as a VMWare image... yeah... :/10:46
Jucatoand I had over 1100 packages (apps and libraries) already installed10:47
xsachame too jucato except 8GB and 4GB10:47
birdfishJucato: holy shit dude!10:47
birdfishLOL10:47
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xsachayep.. i had easily over 1000 packages10:47
xsachathere's 200 just in xorg remember10:47
alexiconanyone know much about fsck?10:47
Jucatoxsacha: I meant, I was running out of space in my /home, so I took 5GB out of the 10GB I setup for /10:47
seishinbyouCollect them all!10:47
xsachaoh k10:47
seishinbyoufscking fsck is not my friend10:47
Jucatolol10:48
alexiconi just installed kubuntu but it brings up fsck on boot10:48
Jucatobirdfish: that's not much. the default Kubuntu install has around 900+ packages :)10:48
seishinbyouIt does ever 30 mounts by default10:48
alexiconwont properly start up, nor will my other distro on teh drive :(10:48
xsachaseishin, just edit fstab?10:48
Jucatooh did I say 1100+? I meant 1200+ sorry10:48
alexiconmy other distro claims /proc is still mounted on boot too10:48
birdfishregarding graphic drivers.  for the ati cards, is xorg-driver-fglrx the best driver?10:48
Jucatoforgot I had gnome installed too :P10:48
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xsachabirdfish, depends if you want propietry or open source... fglrx is ATI's propietry driver (official)10:49
birdfishxsacha: I want which ever driver will display information the fastest and smoothest10:50
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xsachafglrx is apparently fastest10:50
birdfishokay10:50
Jucatobirdfish: the proprietary driver is the only driver that can give you 3d acceleration10:50
xsachanot true, i have 3d acceleration on open source just fine10:50
Jucatoreally?10:50
xsachayep10:50
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Jucatohm....10:51
birdfishI'm just interested in the system running smoothly10:51
rag_rag: hola10:51
xsachaand also aiglx10:51
Jucatohmm......10:51
xsachaati open source drivers can even run beryl10:51
birdfishBTW, regarding a stable system, how is 6.10?10:51
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birdfishxsacha: I saw you mention beryl earlier.  What is it?10:51
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xsachayou want webpage link or video link?10:52
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birdfishwebpage for now.  I'm updating the system on a slow college network10:52
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xsachak10:52
xsachasudo apt-get update10:53
xsachahttp://www.beryl-project.org/10:53
bmoomgwtfbbq.  I wish I had thought of this: an $836 dollar CD made of glass that appeals to the nutjob audiophiles.10:53
birdfishThanks, I'll check it out10:53
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bmohttp://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=3526710:53
bmofools and money.10:53
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thomas_what's the best wifi manager for kubuntu?10:55
birdfishby combined window manager, do they mean another replacement for kde and gnome?  Or does it sit on top of kde/gnome?10:55
Jucatobirdfish: sits on top10:55
serishemathomas_: i use knetworkmanager10:55
alexiconkwifimanager thomas_10:55
alexiconkwifi has configuration tools in it10:55
alexiconknetwork uses kcontrol confs10:56
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thomas_hm, not "wlassistant"?10:56
birdfishIs xserver-xgl faster than xserver-xorg?10:56
alexiconxgl is an extension10:57
alexiconadds lots of eye candy goodies10:57
alexiconlike true transparency..10:57
birdfishheh, so it would slow the system down actually :P10:57
alexiconif you didnt have suffcient graphics resources yeah probably10:57
alexiconi have it on suse and it runs really well10:58
alexiconbut i also have a 256mb gfx card10:58
alexicon:P10:58
birdfishI'll install all of those goodies on the screamin desktop at home sometime10:58
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alexiconyeah10:58
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xsachahow do i remove packages (that i got from updating) -- not installed ones10:59
thomas_alexicon: hm, I've installed kwifimgr, and I've assoc with an AP, but no IP. wtf?10:59
alexiconhrm11:00
wilyhi guys11:00
alexiconyou on dhcp?11:00
wilyi've a problem running kismet11:00
alexiconwhats your iwconfig say11:00
wilythere is anyone that can help me?11:00
thomas_reports the correct essid, but no ip6 or ip4 address11:00
alexiconwhat is your question wily11:00
alexiconhrm11:01
alexicondhcp thomas_?11:01
wilynow i send link when i paste errors11:01
alexiconk11:01
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kolihello11:01
thomas_alexicon: yeah, but where in kwifi do I set that up? Or do I have to use teh system control panel as well11:01
wilyFailed to set up UI server: TcpServer bind() failed: Address already in use11:02
kolihow do i update kubuntu11:02
wilyalexicon:  this is error11:02
thomas_alexicon: Uh, I guess I just had to wait...? It just got an ip11:02
thomas_how weird11:02
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alexiconkoli theres the update-manager or adept can fetch updates11:02
alexiconheh ok thomas_11:02
thomas_alexicon: but no essid reported in kwifi...11:03
thomas_gruh..11:03
koliok but how do i install the package managment like synaptic11:03
alexiconadept is what kubuntu uses11:03
xsachaadept you want, it comes with kubuntu11:03
alexiconyou can search for synaptic in adept if you want11:03
alexiconor apt-cache search synaptic11:04
xsachasynaptic is pretty much identical lol11:04
alexiconapt-get synaptic11:04
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alexiconi like adept more really11:04
alexiconfind the organisation better11:04
kolihow do i open adept11:04
koliit is not in the menu11:04
alexiconfrom the menu11:04
alexiconsystem11:04
xsachaSystem->Adept11:04
alexiconor just run it from commandline11:04
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alexiconor Run app11:04
alexiconF211:04
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raghow to install a network manager, do you know?11:05
alexiconrag in adept11:05
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ragalexicon: yeah?11:05
alexiconsearch for network manager11:05
xsachaok i added this repository to my source list, right.. and then updates but i just realised it was 32-bit, so i changed source list to 64-bit rep and then updated -- how do i remove the 32-bit now?11:05
alexiconyou used adept rag?11:05
alexicondid you remove the repository xsacha11:06
ragalexicon: synaptic o kpackage11:06
xsachayes11:06
xsachai removed it from list, is that enough?11:06
alexiconthen update again should force it out11:06
alexiconadept is just like synaptic11:06
xsachai dont think it forced it out :S11:06
alexiconwhich ever you prefer to use..11:06
ragalexicon: i need a good wireless manager11:06
alexiconrag try kwifimanager if you want more contorl..11:06
alexiconotherwise you should already have knetworkmanager11:07
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ragalexicon, ok yeah i need give a solution for my customer11:07
xsachaso if i try to install stuff now, it's not possible for me to accidently install 32-bit version?11:07
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alexiconxsacha: look at the package details11:08
alexiconit should verify which source it is :)11:08
xsachain commandline, what's the command?11:08
xsachaor should i open adept and look?11:08
alexiconoh you using apt?11:08
alexiconhrm11:08
xsachayes11:08
alexiconyeah i dunno in apt11:08
wilyi need help11:08
xsachaim not used to package managers :S11:08
wilyalexicon: do u read my report11:09
wily?11:09
ragalexicon: thx!11:09
wilyFailed to set up UI server: TcpServer bind() failed: Address already in use11:09
xsachamy main distro is CRUX, got no package manager11:09
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alexiconwhat are you doing wily11:09
xsachaok im looking at package in adept and i have no idea if it's 64-bit or not from those details :S11:09
alexiconwhats that error from11:09
wilylaunching kismet11:09
alexiconheh it should say somewhere which repository it comes from xsacha11:10
alexiconid tell you where to look but im in suse atm :P11:10
alexiconbecause my desktop with kubuntu needs an fsck >_<11:10
alexiconmakes me nervous...11:10
alexiconi will cry if i lose that disk11:10
ragalexicon, by the way do you know how to activate wifi on boot, this card not start on laptop and my customer to press Fn key11:10
ragalexicon, you know please say me11:11
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alexicondunno rag.. what kinda laptop is it11:11
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ragalexicon, airis...11:11
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xsacharag: there should be a modules.rc or some file that runs start up programs11:11
xsachain /etc11:11
xsachapp[s init.rc or something11:12
ragalexicon, where11:12
alexiconnever heard of it rag11:12
xsachalook in /etc/init.d11:12
ragalexicon, ok thx11:12
xsachathis structure is different to what im used to11:13
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thomas__thanks, everyone for your help.11:16
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close2_hello, I have upgraded to edgy.  I use aptitude, and when I want to make a dist-upgrade, aptitude wants to remove kde-toys, kdegames,...;    Is there a meta-package to install all kde-packages?11:18
close2_kubuntu-desktop is not enough11:18
birdfishxsacha: one more quick question.  I think my graphics card (ati mobility x1400) might be unsupported by the open source driver.  know of a place where I could check a list of supported chipsets?11:19
xsachai've seen the list before, just wait11:19
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vgewhat was the command for dhcp renew?11:20
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xsachagtg sorry birdfish, can find it on google im sure though, brb11:21
birdfishxsacha: no problem dude.  Thanks for all your help anyways :D11:21
gnomefreak!hardware | birdfish11:22
gnomefreakhmmmm11:22
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Jucatognomefreak: ">" ??11:22
gnomefreakok hold that thought ill get the link11:22
gnomefreakubotu is gone11:22
Jucatoooh11:23
Jucatothat's bad11:23
birdfishgnomefreak: what's up dude?11:23
gnomefreakbirdfish: heres the list you wanted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards11:23
alexicondhcpcd -n11:24
birdfishgnomefreak: ah, thanks a tone bud :D11:24
livingdaylighthttp://freedb.freedb.org is this the right server for CDDB?11:24
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gnomefreakJucato: | nick would output in channel nick factoid11:25
Jucatognomefreak: aah. that's new :)11:25
Jucatofor me11:25
gnomefreakfairly new yes11:25
birdfishbummer, not supported.  Guess I'll just use the proprietary driver until it is eventually :)11:25
gnomefreaki found out a few days ago11:25
vgehow do i make sure my eth0 works as supposed?11:26
alexiconifconfig11:26
vgecant get ip from dhcp server :/11:26
alexiconsee if the config is right and that its UP11:26
close2_try setting it manually11:26
alexiconcan you ping the router?11:26
alexiconany entries in 'route'11:26
vgesec11:27
close2_if you have a router try: 192.168.1.42 oder 192.168.0.42 and try to ping something (xxx.1 oder xxx.254)  not bulletproof though11:27
close2_i.e.: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.4211:28
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birdfishman df11:32
birdfish* oops11:32
Jucatobirdfish: you might be interested in "man:/df" in Konqueror11:33
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vge"network is unreachable"?11:33
close2_what did you try?11:34
birdfishJucato: =D11:34
birdfishWow, I didn't know about that trick11:34
birdfishVery slick11:34
vgei tryed to ping my router ip11:34
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close2_did you set an ip with ifconfig?11:35
vgeonly ip and mask11:35
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Jucatobirdfish: some other tricks you might want to see are apt:/ and help:/11:35
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close2_what's the ip of your router?11:36
xsachahey im back11:36
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xsachain adept it has this package in universe/x11 but i want the same package from a different repository -- how do i do this?11:37
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vge 84.248.92.14011:37
Jucatoxsacha: what do you mean?11:37
xsachalike there is this package in universe, but i want one from a different repository, one i added to source list11:38
xsachait's not appearing because it's in the main (uiniverse) one i think11:38
Jucatoaah.11:38
Jucatohm...11:38
close2_84.xxx seems to be a "real" address (let me verify this)11:38
vgeit is11:38
xsachawhats the local address of your router?11:38
xsachaeg. 192.168.0.111:38
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close2_because, if you are behind a router, you shouldn't use / see this address11:39
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some0ne!flash911:40
close2_unless you have multiple public IP addresses11:40
some0ne!Flash911:40
some0ne!flash11:40
some0neDamn. :-\11:40
Jucatosome0ne: the bots just came back. give them some time :)11:40
xsachathey take a while to search...11:40
close2_what kind of line do you have?  adsl?  is this a router in a company, university...?11:40
vgelol, i feel stupid now, how i know my router ip?11:40
vgeclose2_: own adsl, im behind a nat11:41
xsachajucato, know how to do that? get a package in main from a different repository?11:41
Jucatoxsacha: I presume you Fetched Updates already?11:41
close2_usually those nat-boxes use one of the following IPs11:41
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)11:41
xsachayes11:41
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:41
close2_192.168.0.x  192.168.1.x or 10.0.0.x   where x stands for 1 or 25411:41
Jucatohm...11:42
JucatoI know there's a specific "switch"/option in apt-get, I'm just not sure what11:42
close2_your router is what brand?11:42
xsachahow about via adept?11:42
vgecool, ya, now that you said it it's 10.0.0.1 :P11:42
xsacha:)11:42
Jucatoxsacha: it lists the package only once?11:42
xsachayes11:43
Admiral_Chicagodoes akregrator not support .jpg?11:43
close2_ok, that would mean, that you should get something like 10.x.x.x11:43
close2_try to set it:   ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.4211:43
close2_then try to ping 10.0.0.111:43
JucatoI'm thinking that it only displays the newest package... you might have to disable the ubuntu repos. but it's not advisable to install an app from a different repo when the app already exists in ubuntu11:43
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: displaying .jpg? it does, afaik11:43
vgeclose2_: not reachable11:44
some0neI'm using the AMD64 arch who wants to help me get Flash 9 going?11:44
xsachawell there's no way the ubuntu one could be newer, .. the ubuntu one has its name attached though (-ubuntu2)11:44
close2_are the lights of your network card on and flashing?11:44
Admiral_Chicagothere are feeds with jpgs that won't let me display11:45
Jucatoxsacha: well, generally it's really not a good idea to mix repos...11:45
vgenope, but my hub says "it's connected" physically11:45
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: in the preview or in a full tab?11:45
xsachathats why i want all from this one repo11:45
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close2_that's googd enough11:45
Admiral_Chicagosome0ne: check out this page http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/whats_so_difficult_64bit_editi.html11:45
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: preview haven't checked tab11:45
Jucatoxsacha: but that would still affect the dependencies on your system, specially with libraries11:45
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JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: sometimes it also takes time for the image to load. but shouldn't take long though...11:46
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close2_show me the second line of "ifconfig eth0"11:46
vgeclose2_: as this card is just plugged in and was not present when installing, could that matter?11:46
close2_no11:46
xsachabut some of the packages are not in ubuntu main and i have all the right dependancies right now.. so i'll be mixing if i let ubuntus repos give it to me11:46
close2_if ifconfig found it, no11:46
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: 404, probably had the place holder and name of the image, but it got taken of the page so akregator kept the entry11:46
close2_but then /etc/init.d/netwo* restart11:47
JucatoAdeman: ah11:47
close2_could to the trick11:47
some0neDamn adobe.11:47
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xsachaoh well i will just mix n match with ubuntus then :(11:48
close2_BTW:  the meta-package is (surprise surprise) kde :)11:48
vgeclose2_:  inet addr:10.0.0.50 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask: 255.255.255.011:48
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close2_did you choose 10.0.0.50?11:49
vgeyup11:49
close2_ack11:49
close2_ok, try:    /etc/init.d/networking restart11:49
Admiral_Chicagobed11:49
seletzMoin guys.11:49
vgeclose2_: no errors, no luck11:49
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JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: oh I see. that explains it :)11:49
some0ne!xen11:50
ubotuXEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy11:50
close2_and the second line of "ifconfig eth0" ?11:50
vgeUP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU: 1500 Metric:111:50
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close2_pgrep dhclient11:51
close2_gives what?11:51
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vge494411:52
close2_ok, iconfig eth1  exists?11:52
vgeno11:52
xsachahe means ifconfig i think11:52
vgeonly eth0 and lo present11:53
xsachainet addr:192.168.0.102  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0  -- this is mine :D11:53
vgethat dont help im afraid ;)11:53
close2_lspci | grep -i eth11:54
close2_(let's start from the beginning)11:54
vgeEthernet controller: Realtec Semicpnductor11:55
vge-typos11:55
close2_std controller11:55
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vge?11:56
close2_so the driver shouldn't be a problem at all11:56
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vgeya, this is giving me the creeps11:56
birdfishvge: why?11:57
vgewell, i want it into net :)11:57
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birdfish=)11:57
KiLlErbuongiorno raga11:57
close2_I would try to download a small rescue system (r.i.p has small cds) and try there again11:57
KiLlErscusate mi serve un aiuto per kubuntu11:57
birdfishclose2_: he isn't trying to NAT is he?11:57
close2_if it doesn't work there I would say, that either your cables or your card are broken11:58
birdfishI don't think I've ever seen a home router set up with 10xxx before11:58
close2_if I understood correctly he is behind a NAT11:58
vgeyup11:58
close2_I have11:58
vgeand you can ask me too ;)11:58
close2_not very often though11:58
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birdfishvge: i wasn't sure you knew what nating was ;)11:58
xsachagah i dont think updating from repositories is working.. i dont get it11:58
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xsachaGet:8 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages [7494B]   -- i get this just after i added and do update11:59
vgebirdfish: dont worry, im IT engineer :D11:59
xsachabut nothing else related to it, just that11:59
birdfishvge: =D I'm a freshman on the road to computer engineer (we should talk sometime)11:59
close2_dhcp is something, which should work out of the box.  And your card is really well supported. --> try another OS and if that one fails too, replace cable, network card...11:59
xsachayeah dhcp is great, i just type in dhcpcd and wow, it's working :)12:00
birdfishxsacha: heh (took me more than that, but I'm glad it all worked for you)12:00
close2_because at the moment I really don't have any other ideas...12:00
xsachabut can someone tell me why this repository isnt updating properly?12:00
birdfishxsacha: on my server, I use the dhcp server that comes with dnsmasq since I utilize the dns masqing capabilities anyways12:01
close2_(and I had to replace 5 realtek cards in the last 7 years...)12:01
vgebirdfish: well i donno, is bachelor of IT something more than engineer, i have english namings :-)12:01
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xsachai added the url to source list, then i did apt-get update, i get this line: Get:8 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages [7494B]    --but i never get the package out of it listed12:01
birdfishvge: no.  your next step would be your masters (and that's where the real fun starts)12:02
close2_bachelor is +2?  master == engineer +5?12:02
close2_master == engineer == +5?12:02
birdfishyes12:02
vgeclose2_: in finland bachelor is seperated degree for 4 years, masters is 612:02
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xsachaoh, i get this line above it, btw: Ign http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages12:03
close2_they should really stop giving names to degres and just say +x12:03
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close2_+e12:04
xsachaanyone know how apt works? please?12:04
xsachaor adept, it's same thing12:04
close2_or aptitude12:04
close2_what do you want to know?12:04
Jucatoxsacha: Here's a situation you might want to avoid in mixing repos to get the latest apps12:04
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xsachawhen i add source to list i get this: Get:8 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages [7494B]  but the sources do not become available12:04
xsachai havent mixed anything yet jucato :)12:05
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birdfishxsacha: hold on.  I think there is a way to specify which repos to download from (if I remember correctly)12:05
xsachaok, i need that :D12:05
Jucatoxsacha: Package A1.0 depends on Lib1.0. you install Package A1.5 from a different repo, which will update Lib1.0 to Lib1.5. Now let's say you need to install Package B, which incidentally depends also on Lib1.0. you won't be able to install it because Lib1.5 is installed.12:06
Jucatoxsacha: just an FYI :)12:06
xsachayeah, that's why i want all these packages from same repo.. and im asking how to do this :S12:07
xsachafor some reason the files from the repo arent becoming available12:07
birdfishJucato: can you have both 1.0 and 1.5 installed?12:07
xsachano12:07
Jucatoxsacha: you won't be able to have *all* packages from the same repo, unless that other repo has *everything* that Ubuntu has, down to the last lib.12:08
xsachaunless you keep them in different directories..12:08
Jucatoyou won't know if a lib from your new repo is not needed by something from Ubuntu12:08
xsachabut the binaries, one comes first, i think if you set path right?12:08
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xsachaJucato: this repo has stuff that ubuntu doesnt, i need everything from this one repo or it wont work (dependancies are the latest latest -- not released)12:09
birdfishxsacha: sorry man, I must have been thinking about something else.  I don't see any options to specify a certain repo12:09
xsacha:(12:09
xsachabut for some reason when i add the source to list and update i am not getting its packages12:10
xsachathis should give me beryl: deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ edgy main-amd64   but after i update and try to download beryl: E: Couldn't find package beryl12:10
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birdfishBack later fellas.  Time to update some more and then prepare for class12:11
xsachak12:11
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Jucatoxsacha: I'm presuming you're running edgy right?12:13
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xsachayes12:14
Jucatohm...12:14
xsachayeah i just changed 'dapper's to 'edgy's :)12:14
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Jucatoxsacha: but you've dist-upgraded already, right?12:14
xsachayes12:14
xsachabefore i added the sources, should i do it after sources?12:15
Jucatohmm... what's the name of the package you're trying to install?12:15
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xsachaa few, but basically beryl12:15
xsachahttp://compiz-mirror.lupine.me.uk/12:15
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xsachathese12:15
Jucatook, try "apt-cache madison beryl" and see if there's a line there that corresponds to the repository you added12:16
xsachashould i get the source?12:16
Jucatono12:16
xsachadeb-src or deb?12:16
xsachak12:16
Jucatoer depends on what you're trying to do12:16
Jucatoif just plain installing, deb would be ok12:17
xsachathought less likely to get dependancy problems if i compile myself12:17
Jucatowell, actually you'd still have to download the dependencies :)12:17
xsachathats not what i mean :P i mean version problems12:17
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Jucatooh xsacha can you just pastebin your sources.list?12:18
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xsachalink to a paste site?12:19
Jucato!pastebin12:19
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)12:19
xsachahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27949/12:20
ray_52Question?  I cannot get sound while using flash, eg youtube is a good example, how do I solve this?12:20
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Jucatoxsacha: instructions say "Then, insert one of these lines ..."12:21
Jucatoyou put all of them :)12:21
xsachaoh12:22
Jucatoxsacha: try using them one by one to see which mirror/repo works12:22
xsacha:)12:22
xsachai wanted to see if any packages came up12:22
xsachaill try beerorkid12:23
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xsachaok it's working, it downloaded 14 packages12:23
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Jucato:P12:23
Jucatowho would have known :)12:24
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xsachanow i just have to find which one has beryl in it12:24
xsacha(of the 4)12:24
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Jucatoerr.. they all would have12:24
xsachayep it's in there :D12:24
Jucatothey're mirrors, not parts12:24
xsachaoh i thought they all had different packages, ok12:25
some0neHow can I upgrade from Dapper to Edgy without installing the system from scratch?12:25
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|lostbyte|Hai, guys :)12:28
Jucatohi |lostbyte|12:29
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|lostbyte|Jucato, hi :)12:29
jende_Jucato: Howdy!12:30
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Jucatojende_: hi! :)12:30
jende_Jucato: how are ya?Still fightin the cold?12:30
xsachaJucato: Hi!  :P installing, brb12:30
Jucatojende_: no. just coughs this time around :)12:30
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jende_Jucato: ah well, hopefully that'll be gone soon12:31
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Jucatoyeah :)12:31
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jende_Jucato: so, what are you up to?12:33
Jucatoer.. hm... nothing really... come to think of it lol12:34
jende_Jucato: nothing like ...errr... nothing?12:34
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Jucatojust lounging around I guess12:35
Jucatowell I was fixing up my bookmarks a while ago12:35
Jucatopreparing to back it up so that I could move back to my Linux pc tomorrow (yay!)12:35
xsachawhat does setting what boot manager you use in the login manager do?12:35
shahnis there a way of getting tiled workspaces (like in ion3) in KDE?12:35
Jucatoxsacha: I think it gives you an option to restart to a specific entry in your GRUB/LILO menu12:36
xsachaoh ok, does it know my lilo is on another hard drive? :S12:36
xsachai mean partition*12:36
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Jucatoxsacha: that's the problem. haven't made it work. so I can't verify12:36
xsachaok12:37
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xsachahmm where do i add a session? im in login manager and cant see anything about adding a session. if i place a file in xsessions directory, it'll just know it's there and ask me if i want to use it?12:39
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Jucato_I hate it when that happens...12:41
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xsachanevermind!12:41
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aoeuid_could anoyone help me with installing automatix >.>12:43
jende_!automatix12:43
ubotuAutomatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!12:43
aoeuid_-_-12:43
aoeuid_thx for nothing12:44
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Jucato??12:44
jende_Jucato: I really don't like automatix anyway...*g*12:44
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Jucatolol12:44
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bmowe don't support automatix, but some of us ran it and we had good luck. ymmv. :-P12:45
xsachahmm if i run systemsettings as sudo it says all these programs are "Not running" but as user they are all "Running" damn bugs lol12:45
xsachain services manager12:45
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xsachaso how do i add a service at launch? :S i dont see any option for it in systemsettings12:47
xsachajust managing existing ones12:47
macoxpanyone think they could help me with this? http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL12:47
SlimGanyone know of some kind of linux function where i can read all fileoperations? i'm trying to figure out what files are beeing copied from a cd..12:47
macoxpSlimG: the only thing i could think of is use the cammand line so you have a record12:48
xsachaor do nothing and then find all files with recent modified times12:49
jende_SlimG: use the bash12:49
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xsachaand just strip out obvious ones like konversation12:49
macoxpi need help with the last step of this setup Running Beryl i got it all installed already12:49
xsachaim up to there now macoxp :)12:49
macoxpxsacha: thanks :D12:49
xsachaim trying to add it to startup services, no idea where i would find that via the GUI12:50
SlimGi'm using bash, it's a binary app that performs the copying, and it doesent echo what it does12:50
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SlimGjende_: i'm using bash, it's a binary app that performs the copying, and it doesent echo what it does12:50
macoxpxsacha: you are trying to install it also?12:50
momalanyone here used iptables before to redirect traffic on eth0 to a certain proxy?12:51
bmoslimg: cp -v12:51
xsachayeah well it's installed.. just trying to add it as a startup program so i dont have to type in "beryl" to start it12:51
xsachai havent run it yet though12:51
jende_bmo: you were quicker12:51
macoxpxsacha: same here12:51
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SlimGmacoxp: it's a binary installer file for a game om cd12:51
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ragsomebody use wine?12:51
xsachai do for some things12:52
xsachajust to play some windows games i cant live without12:52
SlimGbmo: it's a binary installer that performs the copying from a cd to hdd12:53
bmohere's a thought, slimg: do a "strings [installer] 12:53
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bmothe installer has to contain the file names12:53
bmoso run strings on it12:53
macoxpxsacha: youare tryingt to do teh Adding a XGL login session step right?12:53
SlimGbmo: I'll try12:54
xsachayeah well i just added it to Xsessions directly.. im hoping that's all i need to do?12:54
xsachadirectory*12:54
macoxpxsacha: tell me if it works :D12:54
bmoa bunch of stuff will fly by.  you can do 'strings foo | less'12:54
xsachanothing useful in Session Manager12:54
momalit should work... i have xgl/beryl running fine with nvidia card12:55
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bmodar williams singing "comfortably numb" on kcmp12:55
xsachayeah momal, i want to know how to add xgl as a session.. do i just add that .desktop file to Xsession and that is it?12:55
xsachai was hoping Session Manager would have more options :(12:56
bmomplayer http://currentstream1.publicradio.org:8012:56
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bmoslimg, did you get strings?12:57
momalxsacha: http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-5063-howto-xgl-beryl-kubuntu-dapper-with-nvidia | its for nvidia but just look at the bit where you add the xession bit :)12:57
momalxsession*12:57
xsachak12:57
momalalso there is #beryl with bunch people in there that can help :)12:58
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SlimGbmo: yes, but it's a lot of data, i'll try to make som sence out of it, thanks for your help bmo!01:00
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xsachai've been in #beryl for a while :P01:01
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xsachagonna test it out, brb01:01
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bmoI may be back, I may not01:04
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bmoin the motto of The Ministry of Knowledge "Fry sh*t up!"01:04
bmoadios01:04
bmomuchacho01:04
bmogaspacho01:04
bmota!01:05
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VirteXi got a whole new tower, took my boot drive out, slapped it into my new tower, it freezes at the grub loading screen... :( i'm guessing cause the config for grub is wrong how do i get access to it ? i'm booted on the live cd right now01:05
xsachanot working.. how do i get that session to start? obviously when X loads, it is too late01:05
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momalxsacha: did you select xgl in the session select01:06
xsachai didnt get a session select.. do you mean the thing to the left of login?01:06
momalX will load for the login screen... then you select XGL for the session put in your login details and it will load up xgl01:07
xsachai chose the invisible one under KDE, but it didnt seem to do anything01:07
momalhmm if you have an nvidia card then go through that link i gave and just follow it all and check all it done right01:08
momalthe session should be called XGL or xgl01:08
xsachaati..01:08
momalhmm01:08
momali think you need aiglx then for ati01:08
xsacha:O01:09
xsachaim using fglrx01:09
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momaloh01:09
xsachaoops no im not, using ati01:09
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xsachabut the howto said to use xgl01:09
momallol01:09
bmowell, this is kinda slick01:09
momalhmm still no matter what your using it should still say xgl at the session check the xgl.desktop file again01:09
xsachathe xgl.desktop has "Name=XGl" in it...01:09
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momalhmm did you do a full reboot ?.. not jsut restarting X ?01:10
xsachayes01:11
macoxpxsacha: learn anything new?01:11
xsachawent to lilo, came back.. no Xgl in session list :( just an invisible one, that i tried01:11
momalwhen it loged in did the screen flash with checked background and black X cursor?01:12
xsachaahhhhhh i found problem01:12
xsachain xgl.desktop the first "[" is missing01:12
momal:p01:13
xsachafor some reason my copy/paste always misses a letter on linux01:13
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xsachabrb01:13
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bmook, this works, more or less.  I will now go back to Normal  Dapper.  This is encouraging, compared to my last attempt to run edgy01:18
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bmoit's Rhode Island's state animal01:20
Jucatooh...01:20
eleanordhow do i enable multiverse in kubuntu?01:20
bmothe name is taken from the Narragansett word "pokwahock"01:20
Jucato!multiverse01:20
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:20
Jucatoeleanord: ^^^^01:20
bmoit's a clam01:20
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bmoit's tasty01:20
bmoyet I am allergic01:20
bmo:-/01:20
VirteXanyone have any idea how to fix my booting problem ?01:21
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Jucatohehe01:21
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bmommmm...stuffed quahogs01:21
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macoxphow do you see what proccess are running?01:22
bmops uax01:22
bmoor01:22
bmotop01:22
jjvaca{join #kubuntu-es01:22
emavAnybody who has got an iPAQ 6515 and has successfully managed synchronization with kubuntu?01:22
Jucatoor Ctrl+Esc to launch the Process Monitor01:22
bmotop is prettier01:22
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bmops -uax | grep username01:23
Jucatohehe01:23
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macoxphow do i run proccess monitor from konsole?01:23
wickedpuppytop01:23
bmotype "top"01:23
bmoand hit enter01:24
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bmops gives you a snapshot01:24
bmops is more useful, as it lists more than can fit in a screen01:24
lozHi every body01:24
momalwhats the name of the program that runs that mac os style dock bar at the bottom with icons for kde?01:25
bmobut top is pretty, and can list by cpu use, memory use, user, etc01:25
lozi m loz01:25
jende_macoxp: for observing network use netstat; man netstat; man top01:25
jende_for the system observation01:25
bmonetstat -a gives you a good network snapshot01:25
osh_and for getting periodic updates on ps or netstat, have a look at "watch"01:25
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jende_*ggg*01:25
macoxpjende_: i want the crt+esc with admin rights caus it says i cant kill things right now01:25
bmook, I must logout.  bbiab01:26
jende_macoxp: pid01:26
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bmook this isn't workin'01:26
macoxpjende_: says pid not found01:26
xsacha:( xorg closes saying it cant open Xorg.93.log or something01:26
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jende_macoxp: i meant kill the whole process01:27
lozdoes anybody know much about these darn windoz codecs?01:27
lozwindow01:27
jende_loz: like mp3's? or what?01:27
lozi ve just installed edgy01:27
lozand can t play music on amrok01:27
jende_macoxp: kill all <application>01:27
jende_loz:01:27
jende_!mp301:27
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:27
lozcaaaaaaaaase i was on windows01:27
lozthx01:28
jende_macoxp: sudo kill all <application>01:28
macoxpjende_: thx i'll try that01:28
jende_macoxp: sudo kill all <application>01:28
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bmothat worked ok01:30
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macoxpjende_: sudo KSysGuard was what i was looking for :D01:31
bmonow my uptime is reset.  boo.01:31
macoxpjende_: but it dont work01:31
macoxpjende_: how then kell do i give KSysGuard admin rights?01:31
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jende_macoxp: don't know...I don't use GUI stuff that much. Open a console and read "man kill"01:32
bmo!KSysGuard01:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about KSysGuard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:32
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VirteXback... my system freezes at the grub loading screen... as soon as grub loads the system freezes... anyone know what might be causing that ?01:33
macoxpok well how do i kill the 3 adept's that are running and are doing nothing01:33
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bmooh, that's cool.  kdesu ksysguard.  macoxp, if you run it as su, it has admin rights. :-P01:35
jende_macoxp: the manpage tells you all that, simply read the manpage of kill. once again type in a console man kill01:35
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jende_I think people should get more familiar with the console/bash01:36
macoxpjende_: i figured it out had to use the proccess id01:36
jende_macoxp: so you killed them?01:36
bmo!paste01:36
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)01:36
macoxpjende_: yup with the id code01:37
jende_macoxp: good01:37
xsachawhy o why :( when i run beryl-manager X restarts :(01:37
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macoxpjende_: thanks for the help01:37
bmothe ultimate kill faq:01:37
bmohttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27956/01:37
jende_macoxp: no worries; just another hint...you'll get a better control of your system with all the beautiful commandline tools01:38
xsachaglxgears gives me no reading every 5 seconds as to why my FPS is? :S01:38
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xsachais there something special i need to do to get it verbose now?01:38
macoxpjende_: wanna help me get beryl running now lol01:38
VirteXanyone know why grub locks up as soon as it loads on my system ??01:39
jende_macoxp: nope, cause I haven't even used it nor installed, so I can't help anyway eventhough beryl has its own channel #beryl01:39
xsachait did that to me VirteX, i just installed trusty old lilo01:39
bmovirtex: there could be various reasons, including a busted boot01:39
bmoand a busted drive01:39
xsachai think it's because we have a partition other than kubuntu01:40
VirteXthe drive was fine in my other machine01:40
xsachait doesnt handle them well :S01:40
xsachajust install lilo over the top, worked fine for me01:40
VirteXhow do i go about doing that ?01:40
xsachawhat is your primary partition? like hda1?01:40
VirteXi'm on the live cd right at the moment01:40
VirteXyea01:40
xsachanot kubuntu right?01:40
VirteXit's kubuntu01:40
xsachaoh :S01:40
xsachawell i had another linux OS on hda1 with lilo, i added hda3 (kubuntu) to list and just liloed01:41
xsachadont know how you'd do it01:41
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bmoisn't there a way to boot the installed system from the cd?01:42
VirteXit's weird it worked fine in my other machine01:42
VirteXhmmm01:42
xsachayeah same here, but then again this is edgy rc101:43
bmooh!01:43
xsachai had an older one on other machine..01:43
bmovirtex is using edgy?01:43
VirteXummm no idea lol01:43
bmowell, let's ask a question: was the boot logo slick or ugly?01:44
VirteXblue kubuntu that was pretty nice lol was graphicall if that's what were looking for lol01:44
xsachait was ugly bmo.. text01:44
xsachait said "Loading Grub" -- that was it01:44
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VirteXoh yea the grub thing01:44
bmooh, n/m it didn't get to the boot screen01:45
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xsachait didnt give me boot option01:45
VirteXi edited my grub config file to load the menu for 30 seconds but it still freezes as soon as it loads01:45
vgekubuntu and xubuntu have same driver database right?01:45
bmoyes01:45
bmoit's all ubuntu01:45
vgeim loosing hair with my nic :/01:45
bmoset it up as an ne1000/ne2000 card01:45
vgetwo network card dont work under xubuntu01:45
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vgeor i just cant get em to work01:46
jende_vge: what do you need 2 NIC's for01:46
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vgejende_: well, i just need one working one, but both dont get ping trought01:46
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jende_vge: are the modules loaded?01:47
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vgejende_: how i know?01:47
VirteXhmmm i dunno01:47
jende_vge: check lsmod | grep <modulenameof NIC>01:47
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vgemodulenameofnick?01:48
jende_vge: well the modulename of your Nick has to be placed behind 'grep'01:48
jende_vge: well the modulename of your NIC has to be placed behind 'grep'01:48
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jende_vge: what card and chipset is it?01:49
jende_vge: lspci will help you01:50
vgei think both are realtech01:50
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jende_vge: what you think, buddy, doesn't help. Eventhough there are different realteks available01:51
jende_vge: lspci01:51
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vgerealtek semiconductor etcetera01:51
jende_vge: that is NOT the output of lspci; just type in a console lspci and pastebin the output01:52
jende_!paste01:52
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)01:52
vgewell, i would not ask help on NIC if i could use pastebin, ic what i can do01:53
xsachaO M F G i have beryl running -- not in Xgl -- in X -- i typed in beryl and i am in beryl LOL .. it seems AIGLX automatically turned itself on01:54
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jende_vge: have the manual to one of your NIC's on hand?01:54
vgenope01:54
xsachaso im running AIGLX/beryl even though i set it up for XGL/beryl -- funny or what01:54
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jende_vge: and none of them got recognized during installation?01:55
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bmohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268901:55
jende_vge: what tells you sudo pppoeconf? will tha recognize one of your cards?01:55
bmo that is for the busted grub01:55
xsachaHAHAHAHA omg this is so good01:55
vgeit got recognized and xubuntu GUI "finds it", but when i try to use dhcp or static ip:s and try to ping anything but localhost, it dont get trough01:55
VirteXThanks bmo i'll have a look01:56
jende_vge: sudo route...what's the output?01:56
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vgepppoeconf founds eth101:56
vgebut i need to go, ill be back later :/01:57
jende_vge: see ya01:57
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bmohttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27962/01:58
WindwalkerHi, followed this ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=264861&highlight=how+to+get+layouts )  but could not help me on my Kubuntu 6.0601:58
bmofor virtex01:58
WindwalkerCan somebody tell me how to switch keybd layouts with alt+shift01:59
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Windwalkeranybody with bulgaria,russian and etc cyrillic keyboards?02:03
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dwoola02:05
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BluesKajHowdy All! :)02:06
jende_BluesKaj: Howdy... ;-)02:06
dwohi02:06
VirteXi get permission denied when trying to write to the drive... :(02:06
BluesKajhi jende_, what's up ?02:06
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jende_BluesKaj: nothing much...heaps of quests re beryl...besides that...nothing spectacular02:07
VirteXi'm not even dual-booting just kubuntu... have an ntfs drive plugged in but i did before too :(02:08
VirteXbrb02:08
BluesKaji need some advice later on resetting up my networkwork USB Printer ...it's connected to my wifes windows pc ...I had the printer working from Kubuntu  last week , but since then the printer had to be reinstalled into a USB hub and CUPS doesn't see the printer any longer .02:10
Windwalkerwhich printer is this?02:11
Windwalkermodel?02:11
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BluesKajHP Deskjet 3520, Windwalker02:12
WindwalkerSound good02:12
Windwalkerwhich distro are you using?02:12
jende_BluesKaj: lsmod | grep usb02:13
Windwalkerlsusb also02:13
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BluesKajit was working fine last week but it crashed on my my wifes pc and had to be reinstalled in the uSB hub cuz it wasn't being recognized at it's old location02:13
jende_BluesKaj: followed by a lpc status02:14
WindwalkerWhich distor are you using??02:14
jende_BluesKaj: is it an active or passive Hub, by the way?02:14
BluesKajit's an active hub , but it's connected to the windows pc ...this pc is hooked to the windows pc thru a router02:15
jende_BluesKaj: have you also already checked if errors got posted in the .log?02:15
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jende_BluesKaj: the error.log for cups are in /var/log/cups/02:16
BluesKajthe USB hub is not connected directly to this pc02:16
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ahmedhi everybody02:19
ahmedanybody here ??02:19
ahmed:O02:19
ahmedheeeeeeeeeeeeeeey02:20
ahmed:P02:20
ahmedAllooo02:20
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Windwalkercan somebody tell me how to logout with a script???02:20
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BluesKajhi02:20
ahmedhi blueskaj02:21
ahmed:)02:21
Windwalkerlogout will not work from console.02:21
ahmedlogout via normal method is pretty mff02:21
ahmedmf*02:22
jende_Windwalker: what do you mean?02:22
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ahmedhehe02:22
ahmedwindwalker02:22
WindwalkerI want to make an executable script just like the shutdown button02:22
ahmedlol02:22
ahmedaha02:22
jende_BluesKaj: maybe try that: reinstall hal, dbus and pmount02:22
BluesKajjende_:  ?02:23
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WindwalkerI have to add this to my right button.02:23
jende_BluesKaj: I read that that has solved the problem for someone with the same symptoms you describe02:23
ahmedhmm02:23
ahmedsry mf i have no idea L)02:24
ahmed:)02:24
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Windwalker:) anybody else...02:24
ahmedwhy synaptic is not in kubunu ?? !!02:24
jende_!synaptic02:24
ubotusynaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto02:24
BluesKajit's in adept02:24
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ahmedyes iknow but it is like synaptic or just a pack maneger ?02:25
ahmedpackage*02:25
ahmedi mean could i search apps and games from external sources like in synaptic ?02:26
WindwalkerOkay. Is the "logout" command built in? I see logout in console, but I cannot find the file02:26
BluesKajyes it's like synaptic02:26
ahmedok thanks :)02:26
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ahmedcould anybody send me link to run mp3 and win32 codecs on kubuntu 6.0602:29
Tm_T!mp302:29
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:29
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ahmed<tm.t> sry man i knw that iam idiot , iam totaly noob in kubuntu :)02:30
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jende_ahmed: you have to modify your sources.list (enable universe902:32
jende_ahmed: you have to modify your sources.list (enable universe)02:32
jende_!libxine-extracodecs02:32
ubotulibxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB02:32
jende_ahmed: you have to modify your sources.list (enable universe and multiverse)02:32
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ars_buenas02:33
dwoola02:33
jende_ahmed: you know what I mean, I hope02:33
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ahmedhow :(02:34
ahmedgive me commands in termenal02:34
BluesKajok, jende_, I've uninstalled dbus and pmount but they don't exist in my sources list for reinstallation.02:34
BluesKaj!dbus02:34
ubotudbus: simple interprocess messaging system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.60-6ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 316 kB, installed size 700 kB02:34
BluesKaj!pmount02:35
ubotupmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.11-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 37 kB, installed size 164 kB02:35
WindwalkerCan somebody tell me command which is called by the Log Out button? I want to customize my right button and add ONLY logout there02:36
jende_ahmed: as a noob I suggest you'd rather se this command kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list02:36
jende_BluesKaj: sudo apt-get install hal dbus pmount02:36
flaccid!noob02:36
ubotuWords like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.02:36
flaccidhehe02:37
ahmedahuahahhau02:37
jende_flaccid: *grrrrrrrrrr*02:37
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dwolol02:37
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ahmedyess , i made it :D02:37
jende_flaccid: How are ya, anyway?02:37
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flaccidalright sandwich is a bit old02:38
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ahmed!linux02:38
ubotulinux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux02:38
jende_ahmed: see uncommented *universe* lines in the file?02:38
jende_BluesKaj: is apt installing?02:38
ahmedi made it via right click and click "enable"02:38
ahmedon adept02:39
BluesKajjende_: nope :(02:39
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jende_BluesKaj: you're on dapper, right?02:39
BluesKajneed to find a repos that has it02:39
BluesKajyup02:39
jende_ahmed: adept is not a real proper way, though02:40
sudharsh!jfgi02:40
ubotuWords like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.02:40
sudharsh:(02:40
flaccid!adept02:40
ubotuadept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto02:40
jende_but that's just my opinion02:40
flaccidwell adept is the kubuntu package manager...02:40
flaccid:p02:41
ahmedso .. i will use apt-get only !!02:41
flaccidor aptitude02:41
jende_flaccid: I said it's just my opinion02:41
ahmedi need a tool like synaptic02:41
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flaccidhehe02:41
flaccidi'm just pullin your strings02:41
sudharshahmed: open up a konsole and sudo apt-get install synaptic..if you want it02:42
flaccidit looks alright without the native gtk02:43
ahmedlibs eror , i've tried02:43
ahmediam on kubuntu 6.0602:43
sudharshahmed: oh..ok02:43
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sudharshahmed: i ll pastebin my sources.list..just replace that..02:44
ahmedok02:44
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sudharshahmed: http://pastebin.ca/21703002:47
ahmedok i replaced it02:48
sudharshahmed: how..replaced it with /etc/apt/sources.list02:49
sudharsh?02:49
ahmedyes , sure02:49
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ahmedand saved it02:49
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sudharshahmed: good now..'sudo apt-get update' in a konsole02:49
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ahmeddone , thanks02:51
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sudharshahmed: now 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'02:52
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constantine-xviis there any reason why konqueror only shows /home and /media in root?02:52
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ahmedi got this msg "02:53
ahmedE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:53
ahmedE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?02:53
sudharshahmed: are you running adept in the background?02:53
ahmedyes02:53
constantine-xviahmed: kill it02:53
sudharshahmed: oh close that02:53
ahmedok02:54
ahmedido sudo apt-get update again ?02:54
constantine-xviahmed: yes02:54
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snikkeri've got a problem with vmware server... after the installation, i don't have the internet access... and if i unistall it, i can surf in the net only with the firewall disabled...02:55
sudharshahmed: no02:55
sudharshconstantine-xvi: he has already done it02:56
ahmedthe same libs error02:56
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sudharshahmed: could you post the errors02:56
ahmedReading package lists... Done02:56
ahmedBuilding dependency tree... Done02:56
ahmedsynaptic is already the newest version.02:56
ahmedYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:02:56
ahmedThe following packages have unmet dependencies:02:57
ahmed  synaptic: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1) but 1.11.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed02:57
sudharshahmed: oh sweet you have it installed02:57
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ahmed            Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 is to be installed02:57
ahmed            Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.2.0) but 1.0.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed02:57
sudharshahmed: pastebin02:57
ahmed            Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed02:57
ahmed            Depends: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1) but it is not going to be installed02:57
sudharshahmed: dont flood02:57
ahmed            Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed02:57
ahmed            Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.12.1) but it is not going to be installed02:57
ahmed            Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.26) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1 is to be installed02:57
ahmedE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).02:57
ahmedah ok , sry02:57
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sudharshahmed: hmm..can you show me the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'02:58
sudharshahmed: use pastebin this time :)02:58
jende_ahmed: apt told you already what to do02:58
ahmedok02:58
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jende_ahmed: sudo apt-get -f install; do it as long as all errors are fixed02:59
jende_JosefK: are you there?02:59
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ahmedi did apt-get -f install03:00
Fuzzy76Under network folders in Konqueror. Are there any ways to add a sftp connection there easily? The wizard only does ftp or fish.03:00
sudharshahmed: what happened03:00
livingdaylightsomeone please tell me the path to configure application to cd rom?03:01
ahmedhttp://pastebin.ca/21704703:01
livingdaylightis it /media hdd or /dev/cd rom03:01
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jende_sudharsh: has he made an apt-get update after he has modified his aources?03:01
jende_sudharsh: has he made an apt-get update after he has modified his sources?03:01
jende_cpk2: ping!03:01
sudharshjende_: yes..have told him to paste his sources just in case03:01
ahmedand what then ..03:02
jende_sudharsh: he has to made first of all an update, so that apt updates the database with the new repos03:02
sudharshjende_: i think he has done it03:02
sudharshahmed: have you done the 'sudo apt-get update'03:03
ahmedyes03:03
sudharshahmed: oh..the pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'03:03
ahmedhttp://pastebin.ca/21704903:04
ahmedthat 's03:04
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JosefKjende_: yup, a bit late though - what's up?03:05
sudharshahmed: ok..that seems ok and since you have done the apt-get update proceed with 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'03:05
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jende_JosefK: I came across a weird error: pmount and hal is in repo main but can't be installed; any ideas?03:06
ahmedwow , big thanks :)03:06
ahmeddone03:06
sudharshahmed: :)03:06
JosefKjende_: on edgy or dapper?  and what's the actual error that aptitude/apt-get throw?03:06
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ahmedsudharsh: big thanks my friend03:07
sudharshahmed: welcome mate :D03:07
BluesKajPackage dbus is not available, but is referred to by another package03:07
BluesKajThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:08
BluesKajis only available from another source03:08
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JosefKBluesKaj: you haven't used Automatix by any chance?03:08
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BluesKajJosefK: nope not recently , but i uninstalled dbus and pmount in order to reinstall to fix my cups prob03:09
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JosefKBluesKaj: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop03:10
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BluesKajJosefK:  No candidate version found for kubuntu-desktop...that was one of the messages in the result03:12
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BluesKajdoesn't look good03:12
JosefKBluesKaj: your apt database sounds fubar'd, could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to..03:12
JosefK!paste03:12
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)03:12
sudharshBluesKaj: ooh..got all the repos mate03:12
sudharshBluesKaj: pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'03:13
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JosefKBluesKaj: and paste 'lsb_release -c' in this channel? thanks03:13
JosefKof course, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ doesn't render properly in konqueror..03:14
sudharshJosefK: where does the lsb_release take its inputs03:14
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JosefKsudharsh: /etc/lsb-release03:15
sudharshJosefK: ack03:15
BluesKajJosefK: sudharsh...   http://pastebin.ca/21705803:15
JosefKBluesKaj: and your lsb_release -c please :)03:15
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BluesKajdapper03:16
JosefKyou're missing the main repo's from that sources.list ;) I'll churn out another one from source-o-matic03:16
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sudharshBluesKaj: back up your existing sources.list and replace it with  http://pastebin.ca/21703003:17
Kim^JWhere can I get the kwin-style-baghira package? Running Edgy.03:17
BluesKajwhich one is missing ? JosefK03:17
JosefKBluesKaj: use the sources.list sudharsh just posted (thanks_)03:17
Kim^JAnyone?03:17
sudharshKim^J: do a apt-cache search03:17
Kim^Jsudharsh: Don't treat me like I'm a dumb ass.03:18
JosefKKim^J: it's kwin-baghira on edgy, it seems03:18
sudharshKim^J: oh...ok smarty03:18
Kim^JJosefK: It doesn't include the style.03:18
jende_!dumb03:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dumb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:18
jende_!language03:18
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.03:18
Kim^Jjende_: Your point is???03:18
JosefKKim^J: aptitude show kwin-baghira03:18
JosefKKim^J: it doesn't depend on kwin-style-baghira, so I can only assume the style should be included in that package03:19
JosefKKim^J: as it states in the description, if there's a bug, then...03:19
JosefK!bug03:19
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots03:19
Kim^JJosefK: Doesn't show up in kcontrol...03:19
Kim^JMaybe a restart of X will do the trick?03:20
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JosefKBluesKaj: can you reinstall kubuntu-desktop okay with that sources.list?03:22
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Kim^JRestarting X worked.03:23
BluesKajJosefK: hang on03:24
JosefK:)03:24
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Kim^JNow onto the extreeme customization...03:25
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BluesKajJosefK: installing as we speak :)03:25
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BluesKajlooks like success, jende_, JosefK,03:26
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Jucatohi jende_03:27
ahmedsry again i 've installed libxine-extracodecs and till now i can't play mp3's on amaroke03:27
BluesKajnow, back to square one, trying to fix the "cups"03:27
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sudharshahmed: you have to restart amarok03:30
sudharshbrb03:31
ahmedok03:31
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Kim^JDoes anyone know the name of that app that looks like the bottom bar in Mac OS X?03:31
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Jucato!kxdocker03:32
ubotukxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB03:32
Kim^JAhh03:32
JucatoKim^J: ^^^^^^03:32
Kim^JThat's the name..03:32
Kim^JLet03:33
ubuntuhey03:33
Kim^Js see how good it works this time...03:33
Kim^Jubuntu: Hey!03:33
ubuntuwhere are xou from?03:33
pointwoodanyone tried the new beta flash player?03:33
Kim^Jubuntu: Me? Sweden03:34
Kim^Jpointwood: Yep... DOing it right know.03:34
ubuntuokay03:34
ubuntuim from germany03:34
Kim^JCrashed in Konq but went fine in Firefox.03:34
Kim^J!german03:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:34
pointwoodKim^J: k - dapper or edgy?03:34
Jucato!de03:34
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de03:34
Kim^Jpointwood: Edgy03:34
pointwoodk03:34
pointwoodI'm considering whether I should try it03:34
Kim^JIt's pretty stable..03:35
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ubuntukim^J: and how old are you?03:35
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BluesKajthursday is the big release date03:35
Kim^JBut you MUST upgrade to the max before even thinking of using it when installed from the BETA cd.03:35
berkes_cool. I was just going to ask that :)03:35
|WAL|anyone know how to get the trash bin icon on the desktop?03:35
Kim^JBluesKaj: Yup... Been really much updates lately03:35
berkes_thursday only release of ubuntu? or will kubuntu release simultanious?03:36
Kim^Jubuntu: I'm 16 years. And you?03:36
pointwoodKim^J: ok, I think I'll try it then03:36
pointwoodKim^J:03:36
Kim^Jpointwood: =)03:36
pointwoodargh03:36
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ubuntuim 1503:36
BluesKaj<--- gonna wait and upgrade from dapper03:36
ubuntukim^j: what is this chat about??03:36
pointwoodKim^J: how did you install it? there are 2 ways mentioned in the readme03:36
Kim^Jubuntu: About the KDE version of Ubuntu.03:36
ubuntuah okay03:36
Kim^Jpointwood: Downloaded the Beta CD and installed.03:37
JucatoO_o03:37
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pointwoodKim^J: I meant the flash beta :)03:37
ubuntumy dad will install linux on my computer, so i have to find out all the programms now03:37
Kim^Jpointwood: Ah... I just copied it to the ~./mozilla/plugins/03:37
pointwoodk03:38
Kim^Jubuntu: Ok. Ask whatever you want.03:38
ubuntukim^J: okay03:38
Kim^JOnly me using this PC so there wheren't really any reason to install it system-wide.03:38
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sudharshdoes kxdocker require dri03:39
pointwoodKim^J: do konqueror find that plugin?03:39
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Schamanemoinb03:39
Schamanehi03:39
Kim^Jpointwood: If you rescan plugin folders.03:40
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pointwoodk03:40
Kim^Jsudharsh: Dunno...03:40
Kim^JSchamane: Hi there.03:40
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ubuntukim^J: are there some more chats in this programm?03:40
Schamanecan someone plz give me an sources.list of today released 6.10 kubuntu?03:40
ubuntuschamane: hallo03:40
Schamanei deleted it03:40
Schamane:(03:40
Kim^Jubuntu: What program are you using?03:40
Schamanehi ubuntu and Kim^J03:40
Kim^JSchamane: Are you in Sweden?03:41
JucatoSchamane: it's not yet released today03:41
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SchamaneKim^J: no, germany03:41
SchamaneJucato: not the stable i know03:41
Kim^JSchamane: You can use the swedish repos... wait a sec03:41
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JucatoSchamane: ah just change "dapper" to "edgy"03:41
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Schamanethx03:41
Schamanethats what i want to know03:41
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ubuntukubuntu-konversation, i dont if it can say you something03:42
Kim^JSchamane: http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download03:42
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Kim^Jubuntu: Ah... Konversation.. Well... That's an IRC client.03:42
ubunturight03:42
Kim^JSo you can connect to any IRC server and join any channels on it.03:43
ubuntuokay, thanks03:43
Kim^JI'm not much into Konversation as I run xchat myself...03:43
ubuntuah okay03:43
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Kim^JJucato: That won't work properly. There are more changes.03:43
JucatoKim^J: like?03:43
Kim^Jubuntu: Anything else you wanna know.03:43
GastenHello. What is the name of those big things that comes up when I hold my mouse over a panel-applet? (so I can turn 'em off)03:43
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BluesKajkonversation is good , xchat is good too, it's just amatter of taste03:44
Kim^JJucato: Look at this: http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download and your.03:44
Kim^JGasten: Mouse over effects.03:44
berkes_any idea where I can DL ubuntu beta?03:44
ubuntudo you have msn manager?03:44
Kim^Jberkes_: The Kubuntu webpage maybe?03:44
JucatoKim^J: nothing out of the ordinary that I see...03:44
berkes_ubuntu, not kubuntu :)03:44
Jucatoberkes_: www.ubuntu.com03:45
GastenKim^J: Thanks I'll see if I can find it, otherwise I'll be back here.03:45
berkes_Jucato: sure, but /i/ cannot find any links on there :(03:45
Jucatoberkes_: in a few days, Edgy will be released03:45
Kim^Jubuntu: An MSN client? I have the Kopete messenger wich is the greatest MSN client for Linux. There's no need to argue on that. Gaim do really suck on MSN.03:45
coreymon773 actually03:45
ubuntukim^j: do you have something leike msn messanger or something?03:45
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Kim^Jubuntu: Kopete.03:45
ubuntuokay03:46
berkes_oh, wait. /me is stoopid. 6.10 /is/ the beta. gggwzzz..03:46
coreymon77kim: i would have to disagree with you on that one, i tend to like mercury messenger03:46
Jucatoberkes_: there's some news at the right side of the ubuntu.com web page. one that says "Release Candidate Announced"03:46
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Distro^Junkiewhat's the best kernel to use for an amd athlon cpu ?03:47
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ubuntuare there some people, who speak german??????03:48
Jucato!de03:48
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de03:48
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berkes_Jucato: yea. It was me, being st00pid. I was looking for 7.x :/ found it, I needed the torrent of the alternate version.03:49
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Jucatoberkes_: ok. but just take note that Edgy will be officially released in about 2 days (Oct. 26, if all goes well)03:49
Distro^Junkiesudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 23 19:14:34 2006 <--- anyone tell me what's going on ?03:49
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coreymon77Jucato: 3 days including today03:49
Jucatocoreymon77: ah yeah.. 3 days... my sense of time has been slipping :)03:50
vany2ji03:50
vany2hi03:50
coreymon77although, i tend to find rcs pretty safe, so i just upgrade once the new version gets to rc03:50
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kolihi all03:53
kolihow do i find themes from repositories for kde03:53
koli?03:53
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Kim^Jkoli: apt-cache search kwin03:54
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Kim^JAnyone using Edgys kxdocker?03:57
koliKim^J03:58
kolihow to i install it03:58
Kim^Jkoli: Install what?03:58
sudharshKim^J: crashing in mine03:58
kolikwin03:58
Kim^JAren't you familliar with apt?03:58
kolinot really, i used syaptic03:58
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koliand when i try to open it i get an error03:59
Kim^Jsudharsh: Mine's not showing up... Not on the screen nor the system tray.03:59
Kim^Jkoli: sudo apt-get install <package>03:59
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sudharshKim^J: what does kxdocker do when run in a konsole04:01
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osh_Is there a free/libre/gratis poker-timer for Linux somewhere?04:02
Kim^Jsudharsh: wait04:03
Kim^JWanna pastebin?!04:04
sudharshKim^J: its ok...getting errors?04:04
Kim^Jhttp://pastebin.ca/21713804:05
Kim^JIf you can count all the errors... :D04:05
Kim^JLooks like the edgy kxdocker is QUITE broke... :D:D:D04:05
sudharsh:(04:06
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Kim^JHmm... Looks like I need another .xml file for it... Or get all the plugins the idiot have in the xml file...04:07
Kim^JOr recompiling... :/04:08
sudharshKim^J: my errors arent that long..just some xml error04:08
Kim^Jkk04:08
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Kim^JWell... I got the conf file from the site as my conf files from the edgy package are broke...04:08
Kim^JWell... Onto recompiling then maybe?04:08
Kim^JI hate compiling... :/04:09
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mini_gdoes anyone have time to walk me through an xorg rez configuration?; need to force at least 800x60004:20
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BluesKajsystem settings/display/admin mode/hardware/graphics card/configure/card driver/apply/system resolution04:25
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BluesKajmini_g: system settings/display/admin mode/hardware/graphics card/configure/card driver/apply/system resolution04:25
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mini_gcan't, xserver is forcing 640x480 only04:26
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mini_g->bluekaj04:27
joakimhi i have install Kubuntu desktop with sudo apt-get Kubuntu-desktop how do i remove Gnome Desktop?04:27
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joakim hi i have install Kubuntu desktop with sudo apt-get Kubuntu-desktop how do i remove Gnome Desktop?04:27
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ahmedhi all04:28
trappistjoakim: apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, then use debfoster to auto-remove dependencies04:28
ahmedplz how could i install xgl under kubuntu 6.0604:28
Jucato!xgl04:28
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems04:28
mini_git ran fine on 1024x800 until recently04:28
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ahmedi've install compiz and xgl libs04:28
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lozi ve installed on 6 .1004:29
lozit works a treat04:29
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lozxgl i mean04:29
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ahmedyes , but could it run on 60.604:29
lozbut can t close windows04:29
ahmed6.0604:29
joakimBut the program in ubuntu is not away04:29
lozi tried before04:30
lozand never could do it04:30
lozso migrated to the new edgy04:30
lozi think it s pre installed04:30
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ziabicere all04:30
joakim2 day to kubuntu edgy04:30
lozhi di hi04:30
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lozyup04:31
lozbut does work ok04:31
lozpretty qick on boot splqsh04:31
lozon booting up i mean04:31
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lozbut official release is on the 26 october04:31
lozif you can wait04:32
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lozxgl makes window user cry04:32
lozhi hi04:32
aaron__Do you know where I can get xgl from?04:32
Jucatojoakim: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde04:32
lozon the ubuntu site is fav04:33
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ahmed!xgl04:33
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems04:33
webpower_mkinitramfs corrisponde a mkinitrd?04:33
lozare you on ATI?04:33
webpower_mkinitramfs is the same as mkinitrd?04:33
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shefthow do i install a new window decoration?04:45
Jucatosheft: where did you get it from?04:45
ahmedno i use nvidia04:45
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sheftkde-look.org04:45
lozjust follow the tutorial04:45
Jucatosheft: could you give the link so I could check for instructions?04:45
lozi could not do it with ati04:45
lozmaybe you ll have better luck with n vidiq04:45
ahmedi will try :)04:45
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lozgood luck04:45
lozbut you could install the edgy eft04:45
loztry it04:45
lozit's cool04:45
Jucatosheft: generally, you compile window decorations. but there are some items from kde-look that are called dekorator themes. deKorator is a themeable window decoration. you compile/install deKorator, then just point it to the .tar.gz theme04:45
lozand xgl is preinstalled04:45
shefthttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3701004:45
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Jucatook checking04:45
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richardh_Anyone know if there are (k)ubuntu debs for FF 2.0 yet?04:45
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Distro^Junkieanyone got some tips on trimming down ram usage ?04:45
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sheftJucato: yes?04:45
Jucatosheft: I'm afraid you'd have to compile it04:45
poerMy little brother is growing up, and my 'rents want some sort of net nanny stuff.... we run debian/ubuntu. I need advice. I'd be satisfied with simply monitoring instead of restricting. Would tcpdump do this, or is there a better way?04:45
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Jucatosheft: er no...wait04:45
Jucatosheft: lol sorry, missed that one :)04:45
JucatoType:  Window Decoration deKorator04:45
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Jucatosheft: you just need to install the deKorator window decoration engine (it's available in the repositories)04:45
Kim^Jchecking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp04:45
Kim^Jconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check04:45
Kim^JSee `config.log' for more details.04:45
Kim^JAnyone?04:45
Kim^JCompiling kxdocker.04:45
Jucatosheft: then use the options from deKorator to install the .tar.gz theme04:45
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sheftok04:45
Jucato!dekorator04:45
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ubotudekorator: KDE theme manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2fix1-1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 296 kB04:45
Jucatosheft: ^^^^^^04:45
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gnomefreakJucato: </hint> !dekorator | sheft04:45
Jucatognomefreak: lol forgot that one :)04:45
sheft!dekorator Jucato04:45
Jucatothanks for reminding :)04:45
gnomefreaksaves from the ^^^04:45