[12:11] <_knoppix> k
[12:11] <jende> steven__: just remove it, if you're, as alike as I am, to use apt from time to time
[12:11] <steven__> jende: Remove what?
[12:12] <jende> steven__: adept
[12:12] <_knoppix> i want to try out kubuntu , after a few month with ubuntu
[12:12] <DaSkreech> jende: The kernel?
[12:12] <steven__> jende: it's only a single package that i want to exclude from the update chack. If i remove adebt i won't get any updates.
[12:13] <jende> steven__: that wrong
[12:13] <jende> steven__: thats wrong
[12:13] <steven__> jende: What do yuo mean?
[12:13] <kirke> Hello
[12:14] <jende> steven__: try aptitude on a aconsole
[12:14] <jende> steven__: try aptitude on a a console
[12:14] <kirke> Can I make a question?
[12:14] <Laervian> what's wrong in using a GUI?
[12:14] <Laervian> o_O
[12:14] <kirke> Or ask :D.
[12:14] <jende> DaSkreech: the kerenel??? huh???
[12:14] <jende> !ask
[12:14] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:14] <DaSkreech> jende: Neveer mind I just picked up on you
[12:14] <kirke> Ok.
[12:14] <steven__> jende: hmmm
[12:14] <kirke> I want to install Free Pascal.
[12:15] <jende> !free pascal
[12:15] <kirke> I installed it.
[12:15] <kirke> But I can't use the mouse.
[12:15] <kirke> Is not absolutly necesary.
[12:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hey guys, would you suggest me a good external 56k usb modem for linux?
[12:15] <kirke> But I prefer to work with the mouse.
[12:15] <jende> kirke: it seems to be that its not a Kubuntu related topic, I gugess
[12:16] <kirke> Where should I go?
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Oh have you seen the new Yellow Dog?
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Tallia1Kubuntu: I don't know does U.S. Robitics still exist?
[12:18] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Yeppers
[12:18] <DaSkreech> :-D
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Go E!
[12:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah, i have a wireless router.. :D
[12:18] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: The one running E17 on the PlayStation 3 :P
[12:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i dunno where is the modem.. :P
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: hopefully Sony doesn't screw this one over as well
[12:19] <DaSkreech> Tallia1Kubuntu: You dial up to the internet?
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[12:19] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: I installed once a conceptronic and hadn't had any dramas
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you mean now?
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no, i am on optical fiber now.. it's for my daddy
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> windows keep getting viruses, and an antivirus requires too many resources..
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> since he use only browsing - camera - email, linux will be good for him.. :P
[12:20] <plugs> flash 9 rocks.
[12:20] <jende> kirke: I woulf try someone who maintains that stuff
[12:20] <dragonflyseven> plugs: how did you get it working?
[12:20] <jende> kirke: I would try someone who maintains that stuff
[12:20] <dragonflyseven> plugs: I am having trouble with it.
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Tallia1Kubuntu: And he dials up? :)
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nope..
[12:20] <kirke> Thanks.
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have an averycom..
[12:21] <plugs> did you download the deb from the website?
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and i am trying to make the drivers work.. :(
[12:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i never did anything like this
[12:21] <dragonflyseven> plugs: I tried that, and puting the .so in the firefox pluggin folder, but it doesnt work.
[12:22] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: has the module for your modem been loaded succesfully?We're talking out a modem, don't we?
[12:22] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: has the module for your modem been loaded succesfully?We're talking bout a modem, don't we?
[12:22] <birdfish> Hey guys, where would I find the options to change how to the login screen looks?
[12:22] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: The Wikipage doesn't seem to mention seerof Souls at all
[12:22] <plugs> well what i did was i did sudo dpkg -i ~/flashplugin-nonfree_9~beta1~seveas1_i386.deb
[12:22] <plugs> that was all i had to do
[12:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how do i check?
[12:23] <dragonflyseven> plugs: I will try that.
[12:23] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: what brand and model is ist?
[12:23] <vge> how do i start the server install on xubuntu startup screen?
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> everything i can see, is from dmesg: [17826102.136000]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Wait Sos :)
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> on the modem is wrote AveryCom
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> checking in windows where it was correctly installed it said to be SmartUSB56 SmartLink
[12:24] <dragonflyseven> Is there a hot key to quit the Xserver and go to a terminal so that I can install a video card?
[12:24] <ubuntu__> hellow i'm new in kubuntu :D
[12:24] <cellofellow> dragonflyseven: ctrl+alt+F1-6
[12:25] <DaSkreech> birdfish: I installed a package
[12:25] <vge> is there a method to start xubuntu install without the graphic interface?
[12:25] <birdfish> DaSkreech: so there is no application already installed to change the login manager then?
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: ?
[12:26] <ubuntu__> sombody to help me?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> birdfish: Not that I know of
[12:26] <DaSkreech> !ask
[12:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:26] <DaSkreech> kcontrol-kdmtheme
[12:26] <ubuntu__> ok
[12:26] <birdfish> DaSkreech: thanks man :)
[12:26] <dragonflyseven> cello: No, that just goes to a terminal window. I need to actually quit the Xserver.
[12:26] <ubuntu__> i need to change my nick :s
[12:27] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: try /nick <newnick>
[12:27] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: yep, I just searched google
[12:27] <ubuntu__> 
[12:27] <Lam_> how does kde handle hidden folders?  gnome does it by a dot prefix
[12:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: what?
[12:28] <dragonflyseven> How do I actually quit the Xserver?
[12:28] <ubuntu__> 
[12:28] <DaSkreech> dragonflyseven: You could just Kill X
[12:28] <dragonflyseven> adskreech: how?
[12:28] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Which wiki page ?
[12:28] <DaSkreech> try Alt+Ctrl+Esc and click on the Desktop Though I think that may just log you out
[12:28] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Ebuntu
[12:29] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: patebin the output of lspci
[12:29] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Ahhh, because I've got nothing to do with those guys.  They use their own packages
[12:29] <jende> !paste
[12:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Aight Cool
[12:29] <Ace2016> hi all
[12:29] <Ace2016> is rar really shareware?
[12:30] <jende> Ace2016: AFAIK yes
[12:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/XH53AX23.html
[12:30] <Ace2016> it said i have to register in 40 days? is that for extraction too?
[12:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: don't look at the intel internal modem..... that's fucked up
[12:30] <Ace2016> or is this for making rar files only?
[12:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am trying to use the USB one..
[12:31] <LjL> !language
[12:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:32] <ubuntu__> 
[12:32] <snikker> anyones have experience with vmware server?
[12:32] <rubensadicto> como eu imprimo no kde em modo economico
[12:32] <ubuntu__> 
[12:32] <ubuntu__> alguien habla espa;ol?
[12:32] <Dink> !es
[12:32] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:32] <Ace2016> Is there another app i can use instead of rar? i only need to extract the odd file
[12:33] <afm\colossus> unrar
[12:33] <afm\colossus> :>
[12:33] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: it wa a usb thingy, though, wasn't it
[12:33] <Ace2016> is unrar a part of rar?
[12:33] <afm\colossus> no
[12:33] <rcarr> Ace2016: unrar-free
[12:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: ? the one i am trying to install is USB
[12:33] <afm\colossus> unrar-free works only for 2.x-version archives, afaik
[12:33] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: if so give me the output of lsusb
[12:33] <Ace2016> what about unace-nonfree? is that shareware too?
[12:33] <ubuntu__> thanks for your help:D
[12:34] <jende> !rar
[12:34] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/dzefeN49.html
[12:35] <Caedmon> I could use a bit of help with getting my WLAN Card running in 6.06 LTS.. if anyone's willing?
[12:35] <valkerie> how old is the card?
[12:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !wireless
[12:35] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:36] <Caedmon> Card is fairly recent.
[12:37] <valkerie> chances are that the kernel wont have the appropriate block drivers for it if it's less than oh..... 1.5 years old
[12:37] <DaSkreech> So long suckers :)
[12:37] <Caedmon> Not that recent..
[12:37] <Caedmon> Netgear WG311 v2
[12:37] <Caedmon> there's been a v3 put out more recently
[12:38] <DaSkreech> Ace2016: It should work as long as you have it Just that it will moan a lot
[12:38] <DaSkreech> jende: Can't we get that fixed?
[12:38] <dragonflyseven> OK, flash is triving me crazy. If I have libflashplayer.so in the mozilla plugins folder, shouldn't it work?
[12:38] <valkerie> yeah
[12:38] <valkerie> i have the same problem
[12:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: still there?
[12:39] <valkerie> about the wireless card.... try using NDISwrapper
[12:39] <valkerie> it allows you to use windows drivers on the card
[12:40] <valkerie> that works sometimes
[12:40] <Caedmon> That's what I was looking at..  just trying to figure out where I can get kernel source packages without a network connection
[12:40] <Caedmon> and actually there is a driver for the card.. acx100.sf.net
[12:40] <Caedmon> cause it uses the TI ACX111 chipset
[12:40] <valkerie> you got lucky then
[12:41] <Caedmon> I figured that..  Ideas on how to get kernel source packages, build-essential etc without a network connection tho?
[12:41] <dragonflyseven> So anyone have any ideas about getting flash 9 beta to work with Firefox 2?
[12:42] <valkerie> best thing i can tell you is find a friend that will let you download it
[12:42] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: i checked now all of google and other ways to figure whether there is a module for linux or not, but i couldnt find one
[12:42] <Caedmon> Well.. I am dual booting
[12:42] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: i checked now all of google and other ways to figure whether there is a module for linux or not, but i couldnt find one
[12:42] <Caedmon> so I can download myself and drop it on a flashdrive or something
[12:43] <Caedmon> but I need to know where
[12:43] <Caedmon> lol
[12:43] <valkerie> where as in...
[12:45] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: sorry that I cant help really
[12:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jende: suggest me to buy any modem?
[12:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> brand i mean
[12:47] <Brydenn33> hahaha
[12:47] <Brydenn33> i finally did it
[12:47] <Brydenn33> darn ntfs-3g was a pain
[12:47] <Brydenn33> just had to make sense of their error message
[12:48] <Brydenn33> ok so i have the solution to anyone trying to get "READ/WRITE" access on an NTFS partition
[12:48] <Brydenn33> using the ntfs-3g method
[12:48] <dragonflyseven> Ha! I got flash 9 beta to work!
[12:50] <ubuntu_> hi guys
[12:50] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: http://www.conceptronic.net/site/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=197&otabid=195&nextmn=0&modid=3&item=46
[12:50] <ubuntu_> i need some help
[12:51] <jende> Brydenn33: tell us how did you make it
[12:51] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:53] <LoRez> Warning: `ubuntu_' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued.
[12:53] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> anyone can help me installing kubuntu?
[12:54] <LjL> !anyone
[12:54] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:54] <LjL> !install
[12:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[12:54] <jende> ubuntu__: whats the prob...next time please be patient and wait til one answers
[12:54] <ubuntu_> i reach the patition choosing part and it gives me a blank screen with no partitions to choose from i got a dual system
[12:56] <Brydenn33> jende: ok...
[12:56] <jende> ubuntu_: means you have already made an ext2/ext3 partition and its not shown in the partition menu?
[12:56] <ubuntu_> well?
[12:56] <ubuntu_> yup
[12:56] <Brydenn33> well obviously you have to make sure FUSE and ntfs-3g are installed
[12:56] <Brydenn33> and change fstab correctly and make sure Fuse is added to the bottom line in your modules
[12:56] <Brydenn33> but for some reason ever time i rebooted it wouldnt be mounted
[12:56] <przemek> hi all
[12:57] <jende> ubuntu_: if you can't wait til someone answers...I'm not helping you due to your impatience
[12:57] <Brydenn33> and in the konsole it said you had to reboot windows TWICE or use the FORCE option to mount it
[12:57] <Brydenn33> i tried a FORCE mount, and that worked
[12:57] <Brydenn33> however
[12:57] <Brydenn33> when you reboot the machine it would go back to being unmounted, so that wasnt what i wanted
[12:57] <ubuntu_> ive been trying to install kubuntu for 2 days straight sorry for my impatiance this doesnt happen with ubuntu though
[12:57] <przemek> jest ktos z Polski??
[12:57] <Brydenn33> i wanted it to automount and get the read/write access
[12:57] <jende> Tallia1Kubuntu: or check that site http://linmodems.org/
[12:57] <LjL> !pl
[12:57] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:57] <Brydenn33> so after reading a bit on a forum i found i rebooted back to windows
[12:58] <Brydenn33> and it did a scan on the HD
[12:58] <Brydenn33> i rebooted after the scan again back into windows
[12:58] <Brydenn33> then rebooted back into Kubuntu
[12:58] <Brydenn33> and there it was. perfect!
[12:58] <Brydenn33> everything mounted fine
[12:58] <jende> !pl
[12:58] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:58] <Brydenn33> and i have full read/write access on the partition
[12:58] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: what are you having trouble with
[12:59] <ubuntu_> im trying to install kubuntu cause i didnt like ubuntu
[12:59] <ubuntu_> the intallation goes fine till it reaches the manually patition part
[12:59] <ubuntu_> and i get nothing
[12:59] <ubuntu_> a blank screen with no partitions
[01:00] <Brydenn33> is there a way to add what i said to some forum so people can do this too? that error bugged me for 4 days
[01:00] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: why don't you let it partition itself
[01:00] <ubuntu_> cause i got windows too
[01:00] <jende> !pl > przemek
[01:01] <jende> !pl
[01:01] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:01] <jende> przemek: poland is there
[01:02] <ubuntu_> BonBon?
[01:02] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: ok, for linux you need 3 partitions, one ~150MB for /boot, one swap partition that is 2 times ram, and the rest for /
[01:02] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: you need patience, it takes time to type
[01:02] <ubuntu_> i dont need the /boot i didnt need it for ubuntu why should i need it for kubuntu
[01:03] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: ok, don't need /boot
[01:03] <jende> BonBonTheJon: he is quite impatient, thats why I didn#t help at it's almost 1.30am here
[01:03] <BonBonTheJon> jende: where are you at
[01:03] <jende> BonBonTheJon: Germany
[01:03] <BonBonTheJon> jende: where in Germany
[01:04] <BonBonTheJon> jende: which state (bundesland?)
[01:04] <jende> BonBonTheJon: lower saxony, 60k's south of hannover
[01:04] <jende> BonBonTheJon: niedersachsen
[01:05] <jende> !install
[01:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[01:05] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: hows it coming
[01:06] <jende> BonBonTheJon: where abouts are you?
[01:06] <BonBonTheJon> jende: Cincinnati
[01:07] <jende> BonBonTheJon: how come that you speak german?
[01:07] <BonBonTheJon> jende: I studied it in high school
[01:07] <jende> BonBonTheJon: cool
[01:07] <BonBonTheJon> jende: ja
[01:08] <jende> BonBonTheJon: alles okay in cincinnati?
[01:08] <BonBonTheJon> jende: es geht in cincinnati
[01:08] <kenny75> any italian here?
[01:09] <jende> !it
[01:09] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:09] <BonBonTheJon> lol, I've been waiting for someone to either tell us to go to offtopic or -de
[01:10] <jende> BonBonTheJon: I'll be gone for a nap now-it's kinda late anyway
[01:10] <ubuntu_> im being patient will someone put some effort in helping me?
[01:10] <BonBonTheJon> jende: Guten Abend.
[01:10] <jende> BonBonTheJon: danke schn, bis morgen
[01:10] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: what step are you on
[01:10] <BonBonTheJon> jende: danke
[01:11] <ubuntu_> manually patition hard drive and the next one is blank where it should contain the patitions to choose from
[01:11] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: you need to create two partitions
[01:12] <BonBonTheJon> ubu
[01:12] <ubuntu_> did that
[01:12] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: so you have one swap that is twice the amount of memory and the rest is /
[01:13] <ubuntu_> yes plus other windows partitions
[01:14] <BonBonTheJon> ubun
[01:14] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: ok, so you are good to continue
[01:15] <ubuntu_> nope i cant see my partitions in the partition stage even though it already scanned for them
[01:15] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: you need to save the partition table
[01:15] <ubuntu_> how do i do that?
[01:15] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: there should be buttons at the bottom of the screen
[01:16] <ubuntu_> its "go back" "continue" and "cancel" basta
[01:17] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: continue
[01:17] <ubuntu_> noting comes up after i click on continue
[01:18] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: what is on the screen
[01:19] <ubuntu_> nothing but the cancel button and its showing the circle indicating its working on something and thats been going on for like forever
[01:19] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: any words on the screen
[01:19] <campbch> is it possible to set up a printer on a server in the network, ie //apollo/apts? i've been trying printer>add in the dialogue, and it can't locate it
[01:19] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: are you using the live CD
[01:19] <ubuntu_> make sure to allocate space for a root partition "/" and bla bla bla
[01:19] <ubuntu_> yes i am
[01:20] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: when you created the partition did you tell it the mount point was /
[01:21] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: did you make the swap as type swap
[01:21] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: and did you make the other ext3 as /
[01:21] <ubuntu_> well that is the stage im waiting for like in ubuntu but it never showed up thats when i click on manually partition
[01:21] <Dr_willis> Pumpkin Computers -->  http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/10/pumpkin_compute.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
[01:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:22] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: do you still have ubuntu installed?
[01:22] <sacha_> hello
[01:22] <ubuntu_> no i formatted its partition so i could install kubuntu alone
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Howdy
[01:23] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: well then
[01:23] <ubuntu_> lol i get it
[01:24] <ubuntu_> sorry bon
[01:24] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: recheck your partitions
[01:24] <ubuntu_> sure ill do that
[01:24] <ubuntu_> thanks bon and sorry again if i was impatient
[01:24] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: that error would imply you didn't specify a / partition
[01:25] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu_: I try to be helpful
[01:25] <ubuntu_> thanks bon ill try again
[01:25] <ubuntu_> over'n'out
[01:29] <cellofellow> I got kxdocker to work finally. installed the new version from a third-party repo.
[01:29] <cellofellow> The kxdocker in dapper is OLD
[01:30] <LjL> cellofellow: what about just waiting until Edgy is out? it's got a newer version of it
[01:30] <cellofellow> LjL: how new?
[01:30] <LjL> !info kxdocker edgy
[01:30] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[01:30] <cellofellow> LjL: that's what I installed. I'll remove the third-party version before I upgrade.
[01:34] <cellofellow> Anybody think that openoffice.org is kind of a weird name?
[01:36] <cellofellow> sounds like a website to me. OpenOffice sounds like a program
[01:37] <zorda> I need some help.
[01:39] <zorda> and
[01:39] <Brydenn33> hey guys, is there a need to have a firewall in linux like there is in windows? if so, what one should i go with?
[01:39] <zorda> HAPPY BIRTHDAY KDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:40] <Kyral> Brydenn33: technically no
[01:40] <zorda> lol
[01:40] <zorda> firewall?
[01:40] <LjL> !firewall > Brydenn33
[01:40] <Kyral> and all the Linux firewalls are frontends to Linux's built in Firewall, IPTables
[01:40] <Hawkwind> Brydenn33: It all depends on your setup really
[01:40] <Brydenn33> k
[01:40] <zorda> linux is its own fire wall dude
[01:40] <Brydenn33> yah i see IPTables all over the place hehe
[01:40] <Brydenn33> ok
[01:40] <Kyral> the ArchWiki has a nice simple Firewall setup
[01:40] <Brydenn33> was just curious
[01:40] <Hawkwind> zorda: Not exactly
[01:40] <Kyral> Is quite nice for home systems
[01:41] <zorda> yea but
[01:41] <zorda> if you get hackers up your box your really not going to stop them
[01:41] <Hawkwind> Brydenn33: ipkungfu is a good one, written by trappist here in this channel, and you can sudo apt-get install ipkungfu if you want to use it :)
[01:41] <Kyral> ....excuse me?
[01:41] <Hawkwind> zorda: Again, not true
[01:41] <Brydenn33> yah Hawkwind i heard its still pretty beta though
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Brydenn33: Far from beta
[01:42] <Kyral> You misunderstand me
[01:42] <Brydenn33> Federal Booty Inspector?
[01:42] <Kyral> I am a Hacker as defined by RMS
[01:42] <zorda> I am a windows hacker
[01:42] <Kyral> What you mean is a Black-Hat Hacker or Cracker
[01:42] <zorda> and i feel like a noob here
[01:42] <Kyral> It ain't hard to Crack windows
[01:43] <zorda> nope nope
[01:43] <Hawkwind> Though this conversation really needs to be in #Kubuntu-Offtopic
[01:43] <Brydenn33> lol
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know how I could make #beryl my default WM?
[01:43] <Brydenn33> ok lets go talk there Hawkwind ;)
[01:43] <Kr4t05> beryl*
[01:43] <zorda> hmm i need somehelp
[01:44] <zorda> how do i get all my muisca nd vids and everthing to my linux drive?
[01:44] <zorda> its all in windows encriped files
[01:44] <otaku-san> Kr4t05: I saw something on that...I think you have to manually do it tho' still
[01:44] <zorda> is there any way?
[01:45] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Have you talked to the guys in #Beryl ?  I bet they could tell you real quick
[01:45] <Brydenn33> what did you encrypt them with zorda
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: I did, and the guy who was helping me pinged out. :/
[01:47] <zorda> come one some one tell me
[01:47] <vryo> anyone know why when i ping i can see my server but when i type the url it shows an error?
[01:48] <vryo> firefox = no show, ping hostname = show
[01:49] <Delphinus> what error are you getting/
[01:49] <Delphinus> with firefox
[01:50] <vryo> unable to connect
[01:50] <vryo> http://edee.ath.cx/
[01:50] <zorda> danm it anyone know a server too rizon?
[01:50] <Brydenn33> Kyral: so what point is there in installing a front end if the os already has a built in firewall?
[01:51] <vryo> im trying to connect it to the web but i cant seem to find the problem
[01:51] <zorda> im srating to miss all the user friendly crap ;-;
[01:51] <Delphinus> are you running a webserver on this box vryo
[01:51] <vryo> yeah
[01:51] <Delphinus> apache?
[01:51] <vryo> yea
[01:51] <Kyral> Brydenn33: because IPTables is a PITA to learn, but once mastered is VERY powerful
[01:51] <Delphinus> do you have a gui on this box? kde or something/
[01:52] <Delphinus> or just ssh?
[01:52] <Brydenn33> well it comes pre-configured i assume
[01:52] <vryo> i flushed iptables, forwarded ports. naw im using the server version
[01:52] <Brydenn33> i really dont have much to worry about then right?
[01:52] <vryo> im sshed into rite now using my lan ip
[01:52] <Kyral> Brydenn33: noper :P
[01:52] <Delphinus> if you type the lan ip into your browser does it connect?
[01:53] <Kyral> Brydenn33: thats because nothing listens in Linux by default
[01:53] <vryo> yeah but not the wan
[01:53] <Delphinus> is it behind a firewall?
[01:53] <vryo> umm no i dont think so
[01:53] <Delphinus> and how many real world IP's do you have?
[01:53] <Delphinus> do you use a router?
[01:53] <Delphinus> ie how does iti connect to the internet
[01:53] <vryo> yeah i use a router
[01:53] <Delphinus> ok the router is your firewall
[01:53] <vryo> WAN>router>server
[01:53] <Delphinus> you have to forward port 80 to your server box
[01:53] <vryo> yeah i did
[01:54] <vryo> i turned off all the other forwards just incase
[01:54] <tanubis> here's a basic question: what are some good repositories to add to a default install of Kubuntu (dapper) sources.list?
[01:54] <Delphinus> anothing thing to note, you will prob not be able to access the box using the WAN ip
[01:54] <vryo> tanubis, yeah http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper
[01:54] <Delphinus> but it looks like your port forwarding might be set up slightly wrong
[01:54] <vryo> check the way bottom
[01:55] <Kr4t05> tanubis: uni/multiverse, Seveas's, back-ports, etc.
[01:55] <Delphinus> vryo: you will prob need both the NAT rule and a firewall rule
[01:56] <Delphinus> because since you can access the webserver via you lan the server itself is set up fine
[01:56] <Delphinus> but the issues are when we try and connect to it via WAN
[01:56] <Delphinus> ie thru the router
[01:56] <Delphinus> as your router acts as a firewall
[01:56] <tanubis> kr4t05 all of those seem to be for breezy, we have dapper instead.  Trying to add a bigger library because the program list is very small.
[01:57] <tanubis> !xine
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <Kr4t05> tanubis: Seveas's is for dapper.
[01:57] <zorda> can you dual screen on ubounto?
[01:57] <tanubis> ok, thanks
[01:57] <Kr4t05> !source-o-matic > tanubis
[01:57] <Seveas> Kr4t05, breezy and edgy as well
[01:57] <Delphinus> zorda: do you mean have dual monitors?
[01:57] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: it is possible
[01:57] <zorda> yea
[01:57] <troy> I hope that the koffice 1.6 packages for edgy amd64 get fixed sometime
[01:57] <Kr4t05> Seveas: Of course
[01:57] <Delphinus> i'd like to work that out myself :P
[01:58] <vryo> i have a thomson firewall, and it has only 3 sections under the firewall table. ToD(Time of day) filter/web filter/event log
[01:58] <vryo> under the web filter the firewall protection isnt enabled
[01:58] <vryo> i mean thomson router
[01:58] <Delphinus> i'm unfamiliar with thomson gear sorry
[01:58] <Delphinus> but i'm 99% sure thats where the issue lies
[01:59] <vryo> yeah, aiite thanks for your help
[01:59] <Delphinus> np :)
[01:59] <zorda> can i get limewire or sometthing simmaler on this thing?
[01:59] <teledyn> tanubis: /msg ubotu mplayer
[02:00] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: you can install limewire on linux
[02:00] <Kr4t05> Is /usr/share/xsessions the proper place for kde/beryl/gnome.desktop?
[02:00] <zorda> i can ok
[02:00] <zorda> thanks
[02:00] <otaku-san> why not frostwire?
[02:01] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: bittorrent is better though
[02:01] <zorda> yea but i like it
[02:01] <zorda> i can get what i want fast
[02:01] <zorda> bittorent is SLOW
[02:01] <zorda> for me anyway
[02:02] <zorda> i got shity cable
[02:02] <zorda> can i cuss here?
[02:02] <LjL> !language
[02:02] <zorda> !ok sorry
[02:02] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: nope
[02:02] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:02] <zorda> gotya
[02:02] <zorda> so on limewire i want the other instal right?
[02:03] <tanubis> Kr4t05 : thanks
[02:04] <teledyn> Kr4t05: dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[02:04] <zorda> BonBontheJon: do you know?
[02:04] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: what do you mean 'other install'?
[02:04] <zorda> i have a windows online install
[02:05] <zorda> a windows offline
[02:05] <zorda> Mac osx
[02:05] <zorda> linux RPM
[02:05] <zorda> mac classic
[02:05] <zorda> and a os2 soaris linux one
[02:05] <teledyn> !enter
[02:05] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[02:05] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: download the RPM, but you need to install alien
[02:05] <vryo> Delphinus, can u tell me if you see anything http://edee.ath.cx plz?
[02:05] <zorda> alien?
[02:06] <zorda> im sorry i such a noob
[02:06] <bmo> limewire is bad for your computer.  get rid of it
[02:06] <Delphinus> titl?
[02:06] <zorda> brno
[02:06] <vryo> yes!
[02:06] <Delphinus> nice work :D
[02:06] <zorda> if you think it is bad
[02:06] <vryo> thank you it works
[02:06] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: alien converts RPM into DEB
[02:06] <Hawkwind> It's highly recommended *not* to use alien
[02:06] <Hawkwind> Alien is very very dangerous and will probably break many things
[02:06] <Delphinus> vryo: got a title but nothing else loaded yet
[02:06] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: how would you install Limewire
[02:06] <teledyn> i use alien
[02:06] <Strider> Someone mind helping me... I'm a complete linux/kubuntu newb and I'm trying to install firefox (I dislike using konquerer), but it's not extracting correctly.
[02:06] <Hawkwind> !limewire
[02:06] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[02:07] <Hawkwind> Strider: sudo apt-get install firefox  from a terminal
[02:07] <zorda> Frostwire?
[02:07] <teledyn> its actually i think more and more safer probably because of LSB
[02:07] <Hawkwind> Strider: You need to make sure you have all the repos enabled as well
[02:07] <zorda> is it as big as lime?
[02:07] <zorda> i mean
[02:07] <Strider> Okay..
[02:07] <Hawkwind> !frostwire | zorda
[02:07] <ubotu> zorda: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[02:07] <zorda> ah
[02:07] <zorda> it is gnut
[02:07] <vryo> o really?
[02:08] <vryo> its supposed to be like a messed up version of wordpress, i was testing out a css
[02:08] <Delphinus> vryo: its hanging on transferring data
[02:08] <Delphinus> try a very basic hello world page, see if that loads
[02:08] <zorda> To will explain how to install the free P2P Gnutella client called FrostWire
[02:09] <Jonty> Isn't LimeWire open source anyway?
[02:09] <zorda> yea
[02:09] <otaku-san> it has something that doesn't make it really opensource
[02:09] <Strider> I didn't think so... you can buy a version of limewire at best buy
[02:09] <vryo> Delphinus: how bout now?
[02:09] <teledyn> what about gift?
[02:09] <Jonty> otaku-san: what's that?
[02:09] <otaku-san> go to frostwires site and they explain
[02:09] <teledyn> it handles gnutella
[02:09] <Jonty> oh
[02:09] <Delphinus> vryo: nothing now, no connection :P
[02:10] <teledyn> and you don't need java crap to run it
[02:10] <vryo> Delphinus: dohhh..
[02:10] <Jonty> oh, is it just that it uses java?
[02:10] <teledyn> apt-cache search gift
[02:11] <Delphinus> vryo: before you asked me to try again, it finally managed to load a page, but had no CSS or anything
[02:11] <Jonty> Oh, I see, DRM
[02:12] <zorda> hmm
[02:12] <zorda> ok welllllll
[02:12] <zorda> atleast ubunto makes it easy to instal
[02:13] <vryo> Delphinus: i just restarted the server. did u happen to see the words 'Helllo world?'
[02:13] <Delphinus> yes perfectly P:D
[02:13] <Delphinus> Helllo world?
[02:13] <zorda> Hey does any one know if i can my window encoded files on ubunto?
[02:13] <vryo> haha yes ok i think its working ok now thanks again
[02:14] <BonBonTheJon> !w32codec | zorda
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <BonBonTheJon> !w32codecs | zorda
[02:14] <ubotu> zorda: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:14] <zorda> so i put that in my comadline?
[02:14] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: you need to install w32codecs
[02:15] <zorda> and i get that where?
[02:15] <teledyn> zorda: who are you asking?  what are you asking now?
[02:15] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: in adept install w32codecs
[02:16] <teledyn> BonBonTheJon: what on earth do w32codecs have to do with a gnutella client?  or am i on the wrong planet?
[02:16] <zorda> adept?
[02:16] <maverick> BonBonTheJon: what repository do i need to enable in order to access w32codecs package
[02:16] <maverick> as it's not in my list...
[02:16] <BonBonTheJon> teledyn: he asked about playing windows format media
[02:16] <zorda> I AM SO SORRY ABOUT MY NOOB NESS
[02:16] <teledyn> BonBonTheJon: earlier he was asking about a gnutella client.  i'm lost
[02:16] <teledyn> sorry
[02:17] <BonBonTheJon> maverick, zorda follow the instructions
[02:17] <BonBonTheJon> !mp3
[02:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:17] <maverick> no i have p3
[02:17] <teledyn> zorda: type the nick of the person you are talking to, so it limits the confusion
[02:17] <maverick> libxine-extracodecs
[02:17] <zorda> yes sir
[02:17] <maverick> i thought of others like WMA
[02:17] <BonBonTheJon> maverick, zorda: you need w32codecs
[02:18] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: I think you need multiverse
[02:19] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: its mp2 but its in windows files
[02:19] <zorda> mp3
[02:19] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: install w32codecs and see if that works
[02:20] <CVirus> !mp3
[02:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:20] <CVirus> zorda: ^
[02:20] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  ok what im really asking is how do i get in to my windows harddrive
[02:20] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: oh, is it ntfs or fat32
[02:20] <zorda> ntfs
[02:20] <maverick> 0-o
[02:20] <CVirus> !fat32
[02:20] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[02:21] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: you can read ntfs but you cant write
[02:21] <BluesKaj> zorda: see the system menu beside the ki-menu ?
[02:21] <BonBonTheJon> !ntfs
[02:21] <CVirus> zorda: ^
[02:21] <BluesKaj> click on Storage media
[02:21] <maverick> You can write ntfs if u use ntfs-3g package wgich is still beta and not guranteed to work on ur machine
[02:21] <CVirus> !ntfs
[02:21] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[02:22] <CVirus> weird
[02:22] <zorda> ki menu?
[02:22] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: k-menu
[02:22] <zorda> i got a Aps places and system
[02:22] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: places
[02:23] <sorush20> can dd work on a mounted partition?
[02:23] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: and where now?
[02:23] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  i have 2 hds one is ubunto and oone is windows
[02:24] <zorda> all the comp slang is mostly the same here right?
[02:24] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: you need to install support for ntfs, then mount it, then you need w32codecs to read the WMAs
[02:24] <zorda> i dont use wma
[02:25] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: where do i get the support?
[02:25] <BonBonTheJon> !ntfs | zorda
[02:25] <ubotu> zorda: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[02:26] <maverick> zorda: i guess the bot did the job ^
[02:26] <zorda> umm
[02:26] <zorda> this will still work with 2 hds right?
[02:26] <Delphinus> vryo: i found the problem :)
[02:27] <zorda> its not a partion
[02:27] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: the hard drive has partitions on it
[02:27] <Delphinus> vryo: you still round?
[02:27] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: in Windows' case, it is one giant partition
[02:27] <maverick> zorda: mount whtever partiton you want that exists on whatever HD u have...
[02:27] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: i have 2 hds i put the second 250gig in my self
[02:28] <zorda> windows has a 180 gig for its self
[02:28] <zorda> and all of my info is there
[02:29] <astronaute> when installing dual winXP and kubuntu, its better to install windows first or no ?
[02:29] <Delphinus> vryo: you need to check your links, if you view the source everything links to 192.168.0.16, which isn't going to work for anyone not on your home network :)
[02:29] <T3hWiz0rd> is the edgy kernel gonna be a bit more fster than the current? i've noticed a bit of lag.
[02:30] <NightBird> hm... can kubuntu read from/write to ntfs partitions fine?
[02:30] <unix_infidel> T3hWiz0rd: ive noticed no such lag.
[02:30] <unix_infidel> maybe you should just compile your own.
[02:30] <T3hWiz0rd> unix_infidel: when i switch between desktops its a bit laggy
[02:30] <zorda> astronaute:  id say ku
[02:30] <unix_infidel> T3hWiz0rd: that has nothing to do with the kernel dudestrer
[02:30] <maverick> NightBird: as i said before there exists a package called "Ntfs-3g" tha's still beta and is not guranteed to work in all cases...
[02:30] <zorda> astronaute:  couse it will take over your boot anyway
[02:31] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: do this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_all_users_to_read_only
[02:31] <NightBird> I know that one of the ntfs projects has gotten to the point where it can read from and write to ntfs without destroying the system...
[02:31] <astronaute> zorda even if winXP is installed after it, grub wil boot first ?
[02:31] <astronaute> load
[02:31] <BonBonTheJon> astronaute: Install Windows and then Kubuntu
[02:32] <BonBonTheJon> astronaute: install grub in the MBR
[02:32] <astronaute> great, 2 opposite responses ^^
[02:32] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: did you get my link
[02:33] <dec_> got a question: I want to burn some mp3 songs on cd to play in my car audio player any program in mind?
[02:33] <flaccid> dec_: k3b
[02:33] <Hawkwind> dec_: k3b
[02:33] <maverick> NightBird: i don't use windows but i've tried Ntfs-3g and yes it worked flawlesly...
[02:33] <NightBird> maverick, I see
[02:33] <dec_> when I use k3b it says unrecognized format "mp3"
[02:34] <BonBonTheJon> zorda, NightBird: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ntfs-3g
[02:34] <flaccid> !mp3 > dec
[02:34] <NightBird> that is definitly good news as I currently have 1tb+ of ntfs partitioned disk storage... and I don't really want to lose any of it
[02:34] <flaccid> !mp3 > dec_
[02:34] <bimberi> astronaute: casting vote: windows first :)
[02:34] <astronaute> ntfs write support is really risky ?
[02:34] <dec_> yes mp3 and i want to convert so i can play in my car cd playe
[02:34] <flaccid> dec_: you need to install mp3 as per the link provided
[02:34] <Hawkwind> dec_: Nothing to convert.  Burn them with k3b and it does it for you
[02:34] <astronaute> yes im installing windows first actually, its for my gf, i prefer debian =)
[02:34] <BonBonTheJon> astronaute: its in beta, which means it works for the most part, but there can be problems
[02:34] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: Thanks alot man
[02:35] <flaccid> so you can decode
[02:35] <flaccid> Hawkwind: i believe he wants mp3 > cda
[02:35] <astronaute> BonBonTheJon yes i understand, dotn care about problems, but just dont want to loose data you see =)
[02:35] <Hawkwind> flaccid: As I stated, he doesn't need that
[02:35] <Hawkwind> flaccid: If he uses k3b it will burn it in a file format that his car will play
[02:35] <dec_> it just comes up unsupported format without a link
[02:36] <BonBonTheJon> astronaute: no one wants to lose data :)
[02:36] <Delphinus> dec_:  i think you need something to decode the MP3 so k3b can then read it and burn to cd
[02:36] <zorda> !mp3
[02:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:37] <Hawkwind> Delphinus: No you don't.  k3b does all of that for you by default
[02:37] <zorda> ok know where do i get a decoder for mp3?
[02:37] <dec_> hawkwind how? when i select to burn audio cd and drag the mp3 files it says unsupported format
[02:37] <BonBonTheJon> Delphinus, dec_: you need libk3b2-mp3
[02:37] <zorda> and what the heck isnt it there alreaty>
[02:37] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: install libxine-extracodecs
[02:38] <zorda> where?
[02:38] <zorda> is it?
[02:38] <zorda> im sorry about my major noobness
[02:38] <maverick> zorda, run this in the command line
[02:38] <flaccid> Hawkwind: what format is that?
[02:38] <maverick> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:38] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  i cant pm with you
[02:39] <flaccid> Hawkwind: how does it decode the mp3?
[02:39] <otaku-san> zorda: don't worry...we're all n00b
[02:39] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: vate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems
[02:40] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: ok, you need to include universe and multiverse in your sources.list
[02:40] <abattoir> !info libk3b2-mp3
[02:40] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 96 kB
[02:40] <abattoir> dec_: ^^^^ make sure you have that installed
[02:40] <dec_> I tried to install it is temporarily unavailable
[02:40] <Hawkwind> flaccid: That I don't know.  I have only ogg formatted files on my pc and I burn audio CD's all the time and they play in every player I put them in.  Even some that are 15+ years old
[02:41] <abattoir> dec_: then make sure you have universe/multiverse enabled
[02:41] <abattoir> dec_: universe, specifically
[02:41] <BluesKaj> ! info libxine-extracodecs
[02:41] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[02:41] <flaccid> Hawkwind: thats why. can't decode mp3 without a codec...
[02:41] <maverick> Zorda: do u know how to enable multiverse/universe ??
[02:41] <abattoir> !multiverse
[02:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:42] <flaccid> Hawkwind: can decode ogg as ogg is supported out of the box
[02:43] <zorda> back
[02:43] <zorda> maverick:  np
[02:44] <zorda> maverick:  no
[02:44] <Hawkwind> flaccid: It does the same with mp3 as well
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> !seti
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seti - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <CaBlGuY> !BIONIC
[02:44] <Hawkwind> flaccid: I just sat here and tested it as we were speaking.  I ripped a cd to mp3 format, used k3b to burn it and it plays in all 6 players I have here and in both vehicles
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about BIONIC - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: you need to enable universe
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> !S.E.T.I.
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about S.E.T.I. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <zorda> how?
[02:45] <m4v3rick>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> !SETI
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about SETI - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource | zorda
[02:45] <ubotu> zorda: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:45] <Hawkwind> CaBlGuY: Feel free to do that in pm so you don't disrupt the channel
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> hMMMMM
[02:45] <zorda> !BF2
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about BF2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> I'm lookin for seti there smartazz..
[02:45] <CaBlGuY> :/
[02:45] <zorda> !BFG
[02:45] <m4v3rick>  /msg NickServ
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about BFG - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <m4v3rick>  /NickServ
[02:46] <CaBlGuY> :p
[02:46] <zorda> !waterfiltraion
[02:46] <flaccid> Hawkwind: doesn't he want to burn audio cd and not mp3 cd?
[02:46] <Hawkwind> CaBlGuY: That was totally uncalled for.  Please use the bot in PM if you don't know what you're searching for
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about waterfiltraion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <Hawkwind> zorda: Please stop
[02:47] <Hawkwind> flaccid: In k3b you select audio cd.  It does it all for you
[02:47] <CaBlGuY> Hawkwind:  Ummm   I know what im lookin for the genios..
[02:47] <CaBlGuY> genious even..
[02:47] <flaccid> Hawkwind: i know that but you said 'ripped a cd to mp3 format'
[02:47] <Hawkwind> CaBlGuY: Enough of the name calling
[02:47] <CaBlGuY> nvm
[02:47] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: did you follow the link for source-o-matic
[02:47] <CaBlGuY> blow me
[02:48] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  how do i use that website?
[02:48] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: what country are you in
[02:48] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: usa
[02:48] <Hawkwind> flaccid: I ripped it, then burned it with k3b.  I've done both ogg and mp3.  k3b takes care of everything for you is the point
[02:48] <Strider> What's the KDE equivelant of gedit?
[02:48] <otaku-san> then do us
[02:48] <abattoir> Strider: kate
[02:48] <Hawkwind> Strider: kate, kwrite
[02:49] <Hawkwind> maverick_: Please stop changing nicks
[02:49] <flaccid> Hawkwind: you don't say.....
[02:49] <Hawkwind> flaccid: I do say :P
[02:49] <otaku-san> the letters "us" that  is
[02:49] <Hawkwind> flaccid: It's done it for years.  It converts it to what it needs to play anywhere
[02:49] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:49] <flaccid> there is a difference between a data and audio cd
[02:49] <Hawkwind> LOL gnomefreak
[02:49] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: change your version to dapper
[02:49] <zorda> so what do i do with this code?
[02:49] <vryo> Delphinus: o sorry about that, i was taking care of business  :-) i have to probably change the setting in wordpress huh?
[02:49] <zorda> i have dapper
[02:49] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: enter us as country code
[02:50] <Hawkwind> flaccid: I never onced mentioned data cd either in any of my sentences
[02:50] <zorda> i did
[02:50] <zorda> and i entered my sys stats too
[02:50] <flaccid> Hawkwind: no such thing as an mp3 format cd - thats data
[02:50] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: I'll paste bin a sources.list for you, can you open /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[02:50] <flaccid> you probably meant audio
[02:51] <zorda> danm why is this so painfull
[02:51] <zorda> sorry
[02:51] <zorda> but why isnt mp3 a reguler thing in drapper?
[02:51] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: legal reasons
[02:51] <abattoir> !mp3
[02:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:51] <zorda> WHAT
[02:51] <flaccid> mp3 is not free
[02:51] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27911/
[02:52] <zorda> oh
[02:52] <zorda> lol
[02:52] <abattoir> zorda: read the first para of the first link there
[02:52] <zorda> i totaly forgot
[02:52] <flaccid> dec_: fixed the problem yet?
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: paste the text of that page in your sources.list
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: make sure you are editing it as root
[02:53] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: do you know how to do that
[02:53] <flaccid> Hawkwind: do you have the mp3 codecs installed?
[02:53] <Hawkwind> flaccid: Again, I never mentioned data.  I stated, I burned a CD full of mp3's in k3b.  Meaning, I selected 'audio CD', then burned
[02:53] <vryo> flaccid: i just use xmms and easyubuntu
[02:54] <Hawkwind> flaccid: Again, if you burn with k3b either ogg or mp3, it will convert it accordingly so it plays in any player.  It has done so for years
[02:54] <vryo> flaccid: oops sorry
[02:54] <flaccid> Hawkwind: when someone says 'burned a cd of full of mp3s' it could be data or audio
[02:54] <flaccid> Hawkwind: do you have the mp3 codecs installed?
[02:54] <zorda> I HATE bing a noob agian _-_
[02:55] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: come on, we're here to help
[02:55] <zorda> yea
[02:55] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: open the menu and click the run program
[02:55] <zorda> where?
[02:55] <zorda> i just did one of the code lines
[02:55] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: huh?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> bottom left on the desktop
[02:56] <Hawkwind> flaccid: Actually no it can't be a data cd.  You can not burn mp3s as data as data CD's have to be mounted, audio cd's don't get mounted
[02:56] <Hawkwind> flaccid: I'm sure I do as it installed it when I installed the distro
[02:56] <BluesKaj> zorda, the Icon with the "K "
[02:56] <zorda> i did the gpg crap
[02:57] <flaccid> Hawkwind: that might explain why decoding mp3 worked for you
[02:57] <zorda> no what?
[02:57] <flaccid> and yes you can burn mp3 to an iso9660 as data and play them again no problem
[02:57] <zorda> i have no K im on ubunto
[02:58] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: in the bottom left hand corner there should be a button for the menu
[02:58] <zorda> umm i got a butten to clear everthing
[02:58] <zorda> thats it
[02:59] <Treznor> Hey folks.  Anyone have experience getting sound to work in an IBM T42?
[02:59] <Jucato> ...
[02:59] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: what are you in
[02:59] <unix_infidel> Treznor: works outta the box.
[02:59] <Treznor> Not for me, sadly.
[02:59] <Treznor> Well, not with Edgy.
[03:00] <zorda> BonBonTheJon: ?
[03:01] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  ubunto drapper drake
[03:01] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[03:01] <zorda> Ubunto
[03:01] <zorda> oh..shit..
[03:01] <zorda> X_X
[03:01] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: its ok, this is a universal thing
[03:02] <Jucato> :)
[03:02] <Jucato> #ubuntu
[03:02] <zorda> aaaahhh
[03:02] <zorda> thak you
[03:02] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: we can still fix it here if you want, or ask on #ubuntu
[03:03] <zorda> id liek to fix it here
[03:03] <BonBonTheJon> ok
[03:03] <flaccid> Hawkwind: try removing your mp3 codecs then doing it
[03:03] <BonBonTheJon> look around in the mennu for a console, I dont know what its called in GNOME
[03:04] <zorda> you mean like the comand line?
[03:04] <BluesKaj> ppl still use gnome ? :)
[03:04] <BonBonTheJon> yeah
[03:05] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: got it open?
[03:05] <Jucato> zorda: Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[03:05] <zorda> yea
[03:05] <zorda>  i gotr tyit
[03:05] <zorda> go it
[03:05] <zorda> .....................
[03:05] <zorda> i have got it
[03:05] <zorda> open
[03:05] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: ok, do 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: you will need to type in your password
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: tell me when thats ready
[03:06] <zorda> ummmmm
[03:06] <zorda> i cant type...
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: ??
[03:07] <BluesKaj> maybe he doesn't have gedit installed
[03:07] <Jucato> O_o
[03:07] <Jucato> gedit is installed by default on Ubuntu
[03:07] <zorda> i cant type most of the time but...
[03:07] <BluesKaj> maybe kate
[03:07] <Jucato> !gksudo
[03:07] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using sudo {guiapp}
[03:07] <zorda> i have buin puting all that stuff in
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> BluesKaj: hes in GNOME and gedit is installed by defualt
[03:08] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: what's he trying to do btw?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> gnome eh , then why isn't he in #ubuntu
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: he wants support for mp3, so he needs universe and multiverse enabled
[03:08] <Jucato> oh
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> BluesKaj: I've got him this far, he'd have to re-ask the question
[03:09] <zorda> ok i cant type with that line inputed
[03:09] <Jucato> zorda: you might find this guide useful for enabling multiverse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[03:09] <Jucato> but it's all GUI (using Synaptic)
[03:09] <Jucato> :P
[03:09] <BluesKaj> ok bonbon
[03:09] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: I need to go, follow that guide to enable multiverse, and other people hopefuly will help you
[03:09] <flaccid> Hawkwind: i believe i am right!
[03:10] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  ok thanks for all the help dude
[03:10] <BonBonTheJon> zorda: I"ll be back in like 45 minutes if you still need help
[03:10] <zorda> BonBonTheJon:  wont be here
[03:11] <flaccid> dec_ has left the server, but he prolly needs to apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[03:11] <zorda> danm i tried of this linux is kubunto easer>
[03:11] <Jucato> flaccid: to burn MP3's using K3b?
[03:12] <flaccid> Jucato: to decode the mp3s for burn to audio cd
[03:13] <Jucato> oh
[03:13] <flaccid> so basically he is wrong and i am right :)
[03:13] <zorda> why is this system so hard?
[03:13] <flaccid> zorda: whats hard sorry
[03:13] <zorda> insnt there anything easer?
[03:14] <zorda> ubunto
[03:14] <Jucato> zorda: have you tried the guide?
[03:14] <Jucato> !mp3
[03:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:14] <Jucato> zorda: after enabling multiverse, follow that RestrictedFormats page to see what you codecs you need for MP3
[03:14] <flaccid> zorda: what is difficult?
[03:16] <zorda> the hole  os
[03:16] <flaccid> !libk3b2-mp3 > flaccid
[03:16] <zorda> im just so used to windows
[03:16] <zorda> i can do it
[03:16] <zorda> but its just painfull
[03:17] <flaccid> !libk3b2-mp3 > Hawkwind
[03:17] <zorda> sorry for emobitiching on you guys
[03:18] <flaccid> tis what the channel is for
[03:18] <flaccid> sometimes hehe
[03:19] <flaccid> just ask specific questions to get specific answers
[03:19] <campbch_> anyone here know C or know of a channel where i could ask a c related question?
[03:20] <carrera594> hey
[03:20] <flaccid> campbch_: ##c
[03:20] <flaccid> hi
[03:21] <campbch_> keeps telling me it can't send to channel
[03:21] <carrera594> who here is able to use a WG121 Wireless Adapter with Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:21] <Jucato> campbch_: maybe only registered nicks are allowed to?
[03:22] <campbch_> ? i registered
[03:22] <flaccid> could be moderated chan
[03:22] <campbch_> ...
[03:22] <Jucato> that too
[03:22] <zorda> ohhh
[03:22] <zorda> i know why its so hard
[03:22] <flaccid> seems ok to me
[03:22] <zorda> couse they arnt usinf trums i understand
[03:22] <campbch_> well anyways, if i cant get help there where should i go? i have some questions about errors the compiler is turning up that can't possibly be right
[03:23] <flaccid> zorda: trums?
[03:23] <Jucato> I think he meant "they are using terms..."
[03:23] <flaccid> ah terms
[03:23] <flaccid> once your terms are adjusted its mad
[03:23] <Jucato> campbch_: which nick is registered? campbch_  or campbch (if you have one)
[03:24] <campbch_> ok, the first time it went it forwarded to some other channel, it was the wrong one
[03:24] <campbch_> nvm
[03:24] <Jucato> heh
[03:24] <flaccid> campbch_: ##c and not #c
[03:25] <Jucato> flaccid: is there a C++ channel?
[03:25] <flaccid> not sure
[03:26] <Jucato> :)
[03:26] <atticstorm> All have you seen on the Gnome (ubuntu) side of thing that with laptops there are blue lines on the buttons that disapear when the mouse pointer is waived over them.  Do you know how to corect this issue?
[03:26] <flaccid> atticstorm: as kin #ubuntu
[03:26] <Jucato> ohayou seishinbyou! :)
[03:27] <atticstorm> flaccid, posted there, have not gotten a bite.  They wonder if they are not as helpful.
[03:27] <seishinbyou> 
[03:27] <seishinbyou> That is to say, good morning
[03:27] <Jucato> :)
[03:27] <Jucato> seishinbyou: I couldn't see the text :P
[03:27] <flaccid> atticstorm: could be a video/driver issue
[03:27] <seishinbyou> My encoding might be borked
[03:28] <Jucato> seishinbyou: no. coz I'm on XChat on XP probably hehehe
[03:28] <seishinbyou> Still, though, with JIS, SJIS, EUC, and UTF-8, there are so many wonderful ways for encodings to mismatch
[03:28] <atticstorm> flaccid, seen on two different laptops but they both have ATI cards.  Do not see this on the KDE side.  Wonder if I shoud try the "ATI" drivers.
[03:29] <flaccid> atticstorm: i would try that first and if problem persists could be a gnome/gtk issue
[03:30] <vge> how badly i can mess up with dpkg-reconfigure -a :)
[03:30] <atticstorm> flaccid:  Thanks will give it a go, appreciate the help.
[03:31] <flaccid> np
[03:31] <campbch_> hey, i tried to open skim but it doesnt let me do anything with it...
[03:31] <Jucato> vge: err... a lot? :P
[03:32] <Jucato> flaccid: found my own answer: ##c++ :)
[03:32] <vge> hmm, i somehow managed to cancel it, reboot and pray for the best :D
[03:33] <flaccid> ah cool
[03:33] <Jucato> vge: has it already reconfigure lots of stuff?
[03:33] <max0> can anyone help with Wine in here? noone in the WineHQ channel is respionding
[03:33] <vge> Jucato: i think i made pretty mutch the right choises
[03:33] <Jucato> vge: ah ok. good luck then :)
[03:34] <dude> jucato ! flaccid !
[03:35] <seishinbyou> max0> I had some experience with wine.
[03:35] <Jucato> morning dude :)
[03:35] <flaccid> sup
[03:35] <dude> morning . . .
[03:35] <flaccid> afternoon
[03:35] <dude> :)
[03:35] <Delphinus> evening :)
[03:35] <Kermit> elloz
[03:35] <Kermit> anyone wanna help me setup my grub?
[03:36] <Kermit> cant get the damn thing to load my windows properly :/
[03:36] <flaccid> Kermit: whats the problem
[03:36] <vge> see ya soon
[03:36] <flaccid> actually ciggie brb
[03:36] <Kermit> i modified the grub config
[03:36] <Kermit> but im not sure im doing it correctly
[03:36] <max0> seishinbyou: im trying to run photoshop cs and when i try to run it i get this http://pastebin.ca/216221
[03:36] <Dr_willis> and where is your windows install located? :)
[03:37] <Kermit> primary hdd on the first ide is the kubuntu hdd, secondary hdd on the OTHER ide is windows
[03:37] <Kermit> i just installed kubuntu
[03:37] <dude> Dr_willis hello
[03:37] <Kermit> so there are no settings done anywhere..
[03:37] <Dr_willis> was windows originally installed to this drive? or did you move the drive?
[03:37] <Kermit> umm, no, its a fresh kubuntu install on the primary
[03:37] <Kermit> and secondary is just my old windows hdd
[03:37] <Kermit> both boot fine
[03:38] <Shadow_mil> hi
[03:38] <Dr_willis> so you MOVED the windows drive from hda to hdc ?  what do ya mean both boot.. :P you sort of said you had problems..
[03:38] <Shadow_mil> hi?
[03:38] <Kermit> i can boot the windows fine if i unplug the kubuntu :P
[03:38] <Kermit> no, i did no moving
[03:39] <Kermit> i installed kubuntu, and plugged in the windows hdd
[03:39] <Dr_willis> so youve always had windows on the 2nd ide controller... thats.. odd. :P
[03:39] <Jucato> er...
[03:39] <vge> saved ^^
[03:39] <Kermit> lol
[03:39] <Kermit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27917/
[03:39] <Kermit> thats my grub config
[03:40] <Shadow_mil> any advice on upgrading from dapper to edgy on kubuntu?
[03:40] <seishinbyou> max0> Did you read the winedb threads on Photoshop CS? http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1815  (I haven't tried it personally, so I don't know about installing that)
[03:40] <flaccid> Kermit: so grub loads?
[03:40] <Kermit> yeah
[03:40] <Kermit> grub WORKS
[03:40] <Kermit> i just cant get it to load the windows hdd
[03:40] <max0> yes
[03:40] <Dr_willis> the   /boot/grub/menu.lst   has an example to boot windows.
[03:40] <Dr_willis> you just need to set the hd(XX.XX) right. :)
[03:40] <Kermit> mine is exactly that example
[03:41] <Kermit> how do i make sure of that hd(xx,xx) ?
[03:41] <Dr_willis> whats your exact hard drive layouts..  grub enumerates them diffrently.
[03:41] <flaccid> Kermit: pastebin your sudo fdisk -l
[03:41] <Ahmuck> !dev
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <Jucato> shouldn't there be a "chainloader" line for the Windows section?
[03:41] <Ahmuck> !make
[03:41] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:41] <Dr_willis> it skips cd's so  it depends on the # of hd's
[03:41] <Ahmuck> !header
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about header - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <Ahmuck> !gnu
[03:42] <ubotu> G(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org
[03:42] <Ahmuck> !g++
[03:42] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:42] <Kermit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27918/ <-- my fdisk -l
[03:42] <Jucato> Ahmuck: please just /msg ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for or if you have multiple queries. thanks :)
[03:43] <Kermit> sorry guys, im just getting into kubuntu, so my knowledge is slack..
[03:43] <Kermit> does the fdisk help
[03:43] <hazard2> Ok...
[03:43] <hazard2> So how would I run a .jar?
[03:44] <Kermit> flaccid: ?
[03:44] <Ahmuck> in a canner
[03:44] <flaccid> Kermit: try the chainloader for the windows entry as you might have mbr on the windows disk. thats about all i can suggest myself. and also try #grub
[03:44] <Jucato> Kermit: err.. Linux is on hdb1, and Windows is on hdc1 ?
[03:45] <Kermit> yes Jucato
[03:45] <Jucato> Kermit: that's it won't work... hdb1 = (hd1,0) and hdc1 = (hd2,0)
[03:46] <Jucato> s/that's it/that's why it
[03:46] <Kermit> when i tried making it hd2,0 it said hdd not found
[03:46] <Kermit> or something along those lines..
[03:46] <Jucato> hm...
[03:46] <flaccid> its order of disks
[03:46] <Jucato> strange then...
[03:47] <Jucato> anyway, there should also be a "chainloader +1" line in the Windows section
[03:47] <flaccid> hdb1 != 1,0
[03:47] <Kermit> so just adding chainload+1 should fix it?
[03:47] <Jucato> flaccid: err sorry :)
[03:48] <Ahmuck> sorry, hazard2 ask again, i am in a so so mood this evening, don't pay attention to me
[03:48] <Kermit> oh, chainloader is there, i see it just didnt copy it in the link..
[03:48] <flaccid> Kermit: you can also try sudo update-grb
[03:48] <flaccid> update-grub
[03:49] <Kermit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27920/ <-- this is my current grub config
[03:49] <flaccid> see if that does the windows entry. can't remember if it does
[03:49] <hazard2> How would I go about running a .jar file? a java application? jave -jar [jarname]  says something about can't find gtk.GtkToolkit
[03:49] <hazard2> (I'm in the process of seeing if I'm missing something related to java and gtk)
[03:49] <Kermit> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
[03:49] <Kermit> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:49] <Kermit> Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
[03:49] <Kermit> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386
[03:49] <Kermit> Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[03:49] <Kermit> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[03:49] <hazard2> but I'm not sure if I'm even trying to start it right in the first place.
[03:49] <Kermit> eek, sorry.
[03:49] <hazard2> lol
[03:50] <Jucato> Kermit: please use pastebin. thanks
[03:50] <Jucato> :)
[03:50] <Kermit> yarr, soz
[03:50] <Kermit> any other ideas?
[03:50] <Kermit> windows does have its own bootloader installed
[03:50] <Kermit> like the default one for windows..
[03:50] <flaccid> then it should just be the chainloader
[03:51] <Kermit> the chainloader was there :/
[03:51] <Kermit> i just didnt copy right to the end
[03:51] <Kermit> see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27920/
[03:51] <xsacha> what's a good program for burning cds other than cdrecord? (it's not working)
[03:51] <flaccid> Kermit: try #grub or read the #grub manual / google examples
[03:52] <Jucato> xsacha: K3b
[03:52] <xsacha> k
[03:52] <flaccid> k3b is just a frontend to cdrecord?
[03:52] <xsacha> :(
[03:52] <Jucato> probably :)
[03:52] <xsacha> the frontends wont work
[03:53] <flaccid> as well
[03:53] <flaccid> ah well
[03:53] <flaccid> to arise to a solution, the problem must be known
[03:54] <flaccid> wont work = 100000000 possible reasons
[03:54] <xsacha> unsolvable, i just need another backend
[03:54] <Jucato> :P
[03:55] <flaccid> do you even know why its not working?
[03:55] <xsacha> yes :|
[03:55] <flaccid> what is it
[03:55] <Kermit> #grub is dead :(
[03:56] <T3hWiz0rd> Kermit: you think its dead, join #lilo
[03:56] <Kermit> lol
[03:56] <flaccid> Kermit: yeah pity hey
[03:56] <Kermit> i need grub help tho :/
[03:56] <xsacha> it fails, doesn't like this kernel
[03:56] <T3hWiz0rd> lilo boot loader is never used anymore
[03:56] <Kermit> i have a primary hdd with the grub bootloader and kubuntu installed, and a secondary hdd on the other ide with windows and the default windows bootloader, but i cant seem to get grub to load my windows hdd, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27920/ is my grub config and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27918/ is my fdisk -l, please can someone tell me what im doing wrong?
[03:56] <Kermit> well theres my problem, if anyone has any ideas..
[03:56] <flaccid> why repeat your question, Kermit
[03:57] <flaccid> have you read the grub manual yet?
[03:57] <Kermit> prehaps someone who just joined has some ideas..
[03:57] <Kermit> yeah i did
[03:57] <Kermit> before i came here
[03:57] <Kermit> this == last resort
[03:57] <Dr_willis> make entries in grub with all the possible hdXX entrys. :) and see what one works..
[03:57] <Ash-Fox> Somebody PLEASE, reccommend me a mail client that supports filters, folders, graphical that isn't the following: kmail, opera, gnumail, evolution, thunderbird.
[03:57] <Dr_willis> Ash-Fox,  gee aint you picky
[03:57] <Dr_willis> night all
[03:57] <flaccid> or even better, try it from the grub console on boot so you don't have to reboot many times
[03:57] <Kermit> hmm, well it should be hd(x,0) right Dr_willis?
[03:58] <Ash-Fox> Dr_willis, they all have problems :P
[03:58] <Dr_willis> Ash-Fox,  EVERYTHING has problems....
[03:58] <flaccid> i thought 1,0 was correct
[03:58] <Kermit> cause then i have tried 0,1,2 and 3
[03:58] <Kermit> so did i
[03:58] <Dr_willis> it pays to read up on how grub works. :)
[03:58] <Ash-Fox> Dr_willis, locking up, bad imap/pop3 support aren't things I can work around
[03:58] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[03:58] <flaccid> Ash-Fox: what is wrong with those mail clients?
[03:58] <Jucato> (not perfect enough... :P)
[03:59] <flaccid> i use opera with about 14 mail accounts and it works fine
[03:59] <hazard2> can kaffine play aac files?
[03:59] <hazard2> I mean, is there a plugin for kaffine for aac files?
[04:00] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, okay, well evolution just likes to crash on certain e-mails. kmail's pop3 kio slave is somewhat broken, it sometimes doesn't complete a pop3 mail download for some obscure reason, I don't know. imap support in kmail causes subfolders to display in the root. thunderbird freezes up constantly, probably due to the huge amount of spam I have. I have to wait sometimes 20 mintes for it to unfreeze.. gnumail, I can't stand the interface,
[04:00] <Ash-Fox> opera can't handle my long mail password and refuse to shorten it
[04:01] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, good enough reasons?
[04:01] <flaccid> Ash-Fox: opera doesn't allow you to put in the long password ie. char restriction in the box?
[04:01] <Ash-Fox> char restriction in the box? <- pretty much
[04:01] <campbch__> :p
[04:01] <campbch__> isnt that a bit excessive? 14?
[04:01] <campbch__> i have... 2
[04:02] <xsacha> 2? blank ftw
[04:02] <flaccid> campbch__: most are business accounts
[04:02] <flaccid> Ash-Fox: looks like you are stuffed
[04:02] <xsacha> back to windows... :( :P
[04:02] <xsacha> you could just go to the source code, find max chars and change it, recompile
[04:02] <Ash-Fox> It's irritating, and my god, I urge you to NEVER run gnumail http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/gnumail
[04:02] <flaccid> xsacha: opera is not open source
[04:03] <xsacha> :(
[04:03] <Ash-Fox> The interface in that is absolutely horrible.
[04:03] <xsacha> firefox?
[04:03] <flaccid> you could just change your mail password. i would also recommend submitting a bug report to opera/posting on opera forums/desktop blog
[04:04] <xsacha> im gonna have to burn from laptop :(
[04:05] <ltmon> bobesponja: If you are listening... I ran into the same problem as you had yesterday with smbmount... fixed it with "chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt" (as opposed to /usr/bin/smbmount)
[04:05] <bobesponja> ltmon: thanx
[04:05] <bobesponja> ltmon: I did that already
[04:05] <ltmon> bobesponja: beat me to it :) one of the edgy updates I hadn't applied must have screwed this up... might report a bug
[04:06] <bobesponja> ltmon: but I can't right as normal user on the mounted partition
[04:06] <bobesponja> I mean write
[04:06] <ltmon> bobesponja: 1 min.. i'll check mine
[04:06] <flaccid> bobesponja: perms
[04:06] <ltmon> bobesponja: no problems with mine, it's mounted with uid = 1000 and gid = 1000
[04:07] <thompa> ?join #ubuntu+1
[04:07] <thompa> !compiz
[04:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:07] <bobesponja> ltmon: I mounted mine with smb4k
[04:07] <ltmon> bobesponja: I used smb4k to mount it... and it has a Configuration -> Samba -> mount tab which has this
[04:07] <ltmon> bobesponja: file mask, directory mask and user and group (both set to "default" for me)
[04:10] <bobesponja> ltmon: file and dir mask are both set to 0777 here
[04:10] <bobesponja> ltmon: is that default?
[04:10] <noex> Hey all
[04:11] <roger_ramjet> Hello all
[04:11] <bobesponja> ltmon: ok thanx a lot I can write now :)
[04:11] <bobesponja> gotta go
[04:11] <roger_ramjet> was hoping somebody can help me please .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27926/
[04:12] <roger_ramjet> Thanks in advance
[04:12] <bobesponja> ltmon: by the way I'm on edgy too, but I didn't do an upgrade I installed straight from the RC iso
[04:12] <ltmon> bobesponja: glad it's working
[04:13] <noex> Anyone have a second for a quick question? If I am trying to write a audio cd from mp3s, on Serpentine, which GStreamer plugin do I need?
[04:13] <Jucato> err noex, #ubuntu ?
[04:14] <noex> Ha, sorry Jucato, totally hit the wrong tab.
[04:14] <BonBonTheJon> roger_ramjet: look into http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/aptzip.htm
[04:14] <noex> Sorry about that.
[04:14] <roger_ramjet> Thanks very much BonBon driving me nuts (cant get broadband at home DOH!)
[04:14] <NameNomad> does anyone know about a good music editing program for linux?
[04:14] <NameNomad> I've tried searching but to no avail
[04:14] <BonBonTheJon> NameNomad: Audacity
[04:14] <tyl3r> audacity
[04:14] <Jucato> Audacity/?
[04:14] <BonBonTheJon> !audacity
[04:14] <Jucato> lol
[04:14] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 1842 kB, installed size 5460 kB
[04:15] <tyl3r> ;)
[04:15] <NameNomad> there you go then, gracias
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon> must be a great program, three people immediately mention it
[04:15] <Jucato> maybe it's the only program? lol
[04:15] <NameNomad> I hope it is, otherwise I could be back to square one
[04:15] <NameNomad> rofl, that too
[04:15] <tyl3r> LOL
[04:15] <Jucato> !jokosher
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jokosher - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:15] <Jucato> hm..
[04:16] <Jucato> ah na.. it's GTK. lol
[04:16] <Jucato> jokosher, I mean
[04:16] <Jucato> NameNomad: but if you're interested: http://www.jokosher.org/about
[04:17] <actinic> !windows
[04:17] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1  -  !equivalents  -  http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[04:17] <NameNomad> I shall download both jokosher and audacity
[04:17] <NameNomad> try them both
[04:17] <BonBonTheJon> lol, I never read that before
[04:17] <Jucato> "or your nearest mental health institute" <--- anybody care to join me? :)
[04:18] <actinic> :)
[04:18] <NameNomad> and hopefully get a career that doesn't involve going back to school
[04:18] <Jucato> NameNomad: unfortunately, I don't think jokosher is in the repos yet...
[04:18] <roger_ramjet> BonBon ... i guess ill have to install vmware linux image to do that ... only windows boxes here ;-|
[04:18] <Jucato> school is fun... you get to bully people... lol
[04:18] <actinic> jucato, u upgrade to 3.5.5 yet?
[04:18] <kermit> elloz again..
[04:18] <Jucato> actinic: I couldn't even if I wanted to...
[04:18] <actinic> wa? why?
[04:18] <kermit> ok my grub says "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
[04:18] <NameNomad> jucato: lol, not so much my style, nor is it really possible at my small school
[04:19] <NameNomad> :'( poor jucato
[04:19] <actinic> then jucato shouldn't be here
[04:19] <actinic> lol j/k
[04:19] <actinic> what happened?
[04:19] <kermit> flaccid: any ideas?
[04:19] <Jucato> yeah. I'm supposed to get my PC today. but my mom didn't leave money to pay for the service, so I'll just get it tomorrow
[04:19] <Jucato> actinic: long story... but to make it short, power supply problem
[04:20] <BonBonTheJon> roger_ramjet: you can go to packages.ubuntu.com and download the prerequisites
[04:20] <actinic> aw man sorry to hear that
[04:20] <Jucato> basically, I haven't used Linux for 2 weeks now... but I still keep on Alt+left clicking windows here in XP...
[04:20] <Jucato> (not to mention Alt+Space...)
[04:21] <roger_ramjet> bonbon ... yeh i have been doing that. Copy to usb hd take home go to install pre-reqs and find out that they in turn have pre-reqs
[04:21] <roger_ramjet> stresses me out being a newb
[04:21] <BonBonTheJon> roger_ramjet: yeah, sorry I don't know a better way to do it
[04:21] <roger_ramjet> apt-zip should be a great start though
[04:21] <BonBonTheJon> roger_ramjet: lol, can you bring the linux pc to the other location?
[04:23] <NameNomad> ah jeez, it looks like I'm going to have to be smart to use audacity
[04:23] <roger_ramjet> ummm nope
[04:23] <NameNomad> crap, using energy to succeed, what?
[04:23] <NameNomad> XD
[04:23] <roger_ramjet> ill just use vmware its cool..
[04:24] <roger_ramjet> bonbon ... just found this in case ur interested too http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/22/upgrade-install-ubuntu-on-slow-internet/
[04:24] <Jucato> NameNomad: it's definitely not a "for dummies" type. but I don't think Jokosher is either
[04:24] <roger_ramjet> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/08/installing-packages-on-computers-with-slow-connections-redux/
[04:25] <BonBonTheJon> roger_ramjet: there you go
[04:25] <astronaute> hi
[04:25] <NameNomad> jucato: yeah, it's just the new program type of thing.  I mean, nothing worth doing is going to be easy, so it'll be worth learning and using
[04:25] <astronaute> where to find kmplayer in the K menu please ?
[04:25] <Jucato> astronaute: K Menu > Multimedia
[04:25] <tony_> I tried to compile a new Kernel and got an error. I'm new to Linux...can someone help?
[04:25] <astronaute> its not there for me :/
[04:25] <jsherlock> just installed amarok 1.4.3 and mp3's will only play when amarok is started with root, anyone know what permissions i should check on?
[04:26] <Jucato> astronaute: did you just install it?
[04:26] <NameNomad> tony_: what did the error say?
[04:26] <roger_ramjet> @BonBonTheJon your advice pointed me in the right direction
[04:26] <astronaute> yes of course
[04:26] <astronaute> adept says its instazlled
[04:26] <astronaute> kmplayer-base
[04:26] <BonBonTheJon> roger_ramjet: hope it works
[04:27] <Jucato> astronaute: try to run this command in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" ignore the error messages, then check K Menu again
[04:27] <tony_> NameNomad: System is 1378 kB
[04:27] <tony_> System is too big. Try using bzImage or modules.
[04:27] <actinic> astronaute, see ' myplayer movie player' under multimedia?
[04:27] <tony_> make[1] : *** [arch/i386/boot/zImage]  Error 1
[04:27] <actinic> corection: mplayer
[04:27] <tony_> make: *** [zImage]  Error 2
[04:28] <tony_> NameNomad: And it took forever to comppile...
[04:28] <astronaute> done, 4 errors and still same menu
[04:28] <astronaute> i have mcafeine and stuff there
[04:28] <astronaute> but no kmplayer
[04:28] <Jucato> err. hold on.. I think I was thinking about kplayer... :(
[04:29] <argonel> is ubuntu building its own xorg?
[04:29] <astronaute> i just installed my kubuntu for my gf
[04:29] <roger_ramjet> Hey , has anybody gotten a Via Envy based sound card working in Kubuntu 6.06 ?
[04:29] <campbch_> anyone here use skim?
[04:29] <astronaute> last version, its weird that no kmplayer in menu, how can i test if it works already ?
[04:30] <astronaute> kmplayer command doesnt exists
[04:30] <campbch_> anyone? no?
[04:31] <actinic> kmplayer doesn't run here either, however mplayer does run
[04:31] <silvania> I got a question, how can i get my sound to play in diffrent applications in KDE, like xmms and flash together -not just one and one?
[04:32] <actinic> silvania, i've heard it can't be done, no multitasking
[04:32] <actinic> i might be wrong on this
[04:32] <Jucato> alsa? arts?
[04:32] <astronaute> actinic
[04:33] <astronaute> how to run mplayer then
[04:33] <astronaute> =)
[04:33] <astronaute> its really weird this stuff
[04:33] <campbch> anyone here know how to use SCIM to input characters in, say, japanese?
[04:33] <Jucato> astronaute: there's no MPlayer entry in you K Men u either?
[04:33] <silvania> actinic: so i cannot play music in xmms and then use audio in a other place? like skype?
[04:33] <Jucato> K Menu*
[04:33] <astronaute> nope
[04:33] <astronaute> i dont have any package mplayer, only kmplayer
[04:33] <macoxp> hi people
[04:33] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[04:34] <macoxp> anyone feel like helping a noob with wireless problems?
[04:34] <actinic> astronaute, right click on desktop, run command, then type mplayer
[04:34] <astronaute> its weird for debian absed distro to have such errors
[04:34] <seishinbyou> campbch: It worked by default when I installed the OS in Japanese
[04:34] <actinic> silvania, i haven't found how
[04:34] <astronaute> no commands mplayer nor kmplayer
[04:34] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: give more details
[04:35] <astronaute> thats the problem
[04:35] <seishinbyou> If you are starting in an English environment...get some fonts, the anthy IM...
[04:35] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i installed ndiswrapper and got the driver installed at well
[04:35] <silvania> actinic: kinda sounds silly, not able to use diffrent applications to play sound.
[04:35] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: it says it's working i get tnet1130   driver present, hardware present
[04:35] <astronaute> i installed this distro for my gf to be simple, but i realise maybe i was wrong =)
[04:35] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: did you follow a tutorial
[04:35] <actinic> astronaute, go ahead and install kmplayer ... it's listed in synaptic
[04:36] <actinic> silvania, i agree
[04:36] <astronaute> actinic im on dapper and its adept
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> astronaute: I like VLC, its easy
[04:36] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yes about 3 different ones caus it was hard to understand
[04:36] <astronaute> and it says its installed already
[04:36] <campbch> seishinbyou: i installed in english, and have a class in japanese i would like to use skim for note conglomeration
[04:36] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: how far did you get
[04:36] <astronaute> BonBonTheJon my gf wants mplayer because of skins :p
[04:36] <actinic> astronaute, uninstall then install it again
[04:36] <campbch> i installed both anthy and canna, and none of the activation hotkeys are working
[04:36] <silvania> actinic: you can do it in like windows 3.x what the....
[04:37] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: like i said i got the driver installed and my problem is i cant figure out how to get it to stop useing the old one and use the new one i installed
[04:37] <astronaute> i try then install / reinstall ...
[04:37] <actinic> silvania, have u googled for the issue?
[04:37] <campbch> next IME should be Ctrl+alt+down, but it doesn't catch it
[04:37] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: old what? driver? card?
[04:37] <actinic> 'sound multitasking linux'
[04:37] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: hold on i'll show you teh tut i was following
[04:38] <actinic> or something to that effect
[04:38] <silvania> actinic: trying... but its like turing up every atom in the universe... ya know
[04:38] <kermit> is anyone using grub to boot a windows hdd where grub is loaded on a primary kubuntu hdd?
[04:38] <actinic> silvania, ya i know ... hang on a minute
[04:38] <seishinbyou> campbch: Do you have a jp106 keyboard?
[04:38] <astronaute> ok so maybe there is pacjkage problem : kmplayer-base is that ok ?
[04:39] <campbch> nope
[04:39] <astronaute> can anyone check please, i have only 3 pack avail in adept
[04:39] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=179547&postcount=10
[04:39] <BonBonTheJon> kermit: what is your problem
[04:39] <seishinbyou> By default, the imswitch keys are the zenkaku/hangaku key, and shift-space for some odd reason
[04:39] <campbch> it's a standard qwerty
[04:39] <kermit> my windows refuses to load from grub..
[04:39] <campbch> yes
[04:39] <campbch> shift+space to turn on
[04:39] <silvania> actinic: trying some reading on http://lau.linuxaudio.org/ atm
[04:39] <kermit> grub just says "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
[04:39] <BonBonTheJon> kermit: did you install linux and then windows?
[04:39] <roger_ramjet> I cant get sound working on my M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in Kubuntu 6.06 ... been looking everywhere for a couple of days ... any help please ?
[04:39] <campbch>  and then ctrl+alt+down to change the ime
[04:40] <kermit> i installed linux without the windows hdd plugged in even, and just plugged both in now
[04:40] <campbch> but it just adds spaces and goes up and down in konversation, and doesn't catch the keystroke
[04:40] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hold on I'm doing some other stuff, I'll get back to you
[04:40] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok
[04:41] <silvania> actinic: gonna try install JACK
[04:42] <BonBonTheJon> kermit: you need to tell grub about the windows
[04:43] <seishinbyou> Ah, just a sec
[04:43] <seishinbyou> In /etc/environment
[04:43] <campbch> yep?
[04:43] <seishinbyou> ...I'm assuming you are "en_US.UTF-8"?
[04:44] <campbch> as far as settings are concerned?...
[04:44] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: how far did you get, what step
[04:44] <roger_ramjet> Does anybody have any experience with Via Envy based audio ?
[04:44] <BonBonTheJon> !grub
[04:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:44] <seishinbyou> One guy in the office had to set up JP support in his English linux box...I'm asking him now
[04:44] <seishinbyou> hold on a sec
[04:44] <campbch> yep
[04:44] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i did all but 3 6 and 7 caus i did not understand em
[04:45] <campbch> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[04:45] <campbch> correct
[04:45] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: or they did not work
[04:45] <BonBonTheJon> !grub > kermit
[04:45] <enyawix> any tv viewers?
[04:46] <enyawix> why do i have to keep building things from source
[04:46] <seishinbyou> 2 things he told me.  I was to have the line "QT_IM_MODULE=scim" in /etc/environment, and in your .xsession file... (just a sec)
[04:46] <BonBonTheJon> enyawix: what are you building
[04:47] <enyawix> i had to build firestarter
[04:47] <seishinbyou> my mistake
[04:47] <BonBonTheJon> enyawix: isn't it in the repositories
[04:47] <enyawix> had to build linuxsampler
[04:47] <seishinbyou> In your ~/.scim/global file
[04:47] <enyawix> no it is not
[04:48] <seishinbyou> Make sure you have a line "/SupportedUnicodeLocales = en_US.UTF-8,en_GB.UTF-8"
[04:48] <Jucato> !firestarter
[04:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:48] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: right now i'm trying to figure out how to get teh computer to use ndiswrapper and not the defualt driver is what i was trying to say
[04:48] <campbch> ok
[04:48] <Jucato> !info firestarter
[04:48] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 381 kB, installed size 1900 kB
[04:48] <Jucato> enyawix: ^^^^^^^
[04:48] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: what default driver
[04:48] <enyawix> running dapper
[04:48] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: the one it's trying to use and failing to work
[04:48] <campbch> 1) add the line in environment, and b) add that second line in environment as well?
[04:49] <Jucato> enyawix: firestart is in dapper Version 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu4 (dapper)
[04:49] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: what is its name
[04:49] <enyawix> about to build tvtime
[04:49] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: how do i find out?
[04:49] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I dont know becasue I dont knwo what it is
[04:49] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: do you mean the ACX driver
[04:49] <Jucato> !tvtime
[04:49] <ubotu> tvtime: A high quality television application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 627 kB, installed size 1744 kB
[04:49] <Jucato> enyawix: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[04:49] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: no i mean is there a command to get me the name?
[04:50] <enyawix> Jucato fir amd64
[04:50] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: it depends on what it is and what you did? did you load a module?
[04:50] <Jucato> ah
[04:50] <enyawix> for*
[04:51] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i'm not sure does the tut tell me to?
[04:51] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: if it dont then no
[04:51] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: step three mentioned removing ACX driver
[04:51] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yes i cant do that one
[04:52] <campbch> where is the .xsession file?
[04:52] <campbch> oic... one sec.
[04:52] <seishinbyou> forget the .xsession file.  It was the ~/.scim/global file that needed modification
[04:52] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: at the command line run 'uname -r'
[04:53] <campbch> alright
[04:53] <campbch> akasa
[04:53] <campbch> no
[04:53] <campbch> still not working
[04:54] <seishinbyou> in a terminal, try "QT_IM_MODULE=scim kate" and see if you can use Japanese there
[04:54] <campbch> nope
[04:55] <campbch> :D
[04:55] <campbch> yep
[04:55] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: there are 2 different kernal version folders witch one is the right one?
[04:55] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: 'uname -r' tells you
[04:55] <seishinbyou> So you use :D because you can...or you can't?
[04:55] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: thanks
[04:56] <campbch> 
[04:56] <seishinbyou> All right
[04:56] <seishinbyou> 
[04:56] <Jucato> yay still can't see :)
[04:56] <Jucato> now we've got 2 japanese-speaking people...
[04:56] <campbch> :p
[04:56] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: now try steps 6 and 7
[04:56] <Jucato> seishinbyou: it's definitely my IRC client (and my OS :P)
[04:56] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: it's not working
[04:56] <seishinbyou> I can do some Mandarin Chinese
[04:56] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: what isnt
[04:57] <xsacha> Jucato: charset=utf-8
[04:57] <seishinbyou> But, only ridiculous phrases like "This is my mothers' car"
[04:57] <fyssas> oi
[04:57] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: when i do step six it says command not found
[04:57] <xsacha> you see boxes or weird letters?
[04:57] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: type it should be 'sudo ndiswrapper -m'
[04:57] <xsacha> boxes means no intl fonts, weird letters means no utf-8
[04:57] <Jucato> xsacha: boxes. but doesn't matter. XChat on XP :P
[04:57] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: it was missing an s
[04:58] <xsacha> Jucato just download the fonts :)
[04:58] <Jucato> heheh :)
[04:58] <fyssas> on my kubuntu ... when i boot him the ethernet pci can't stablish the net ... why?
[04:58] <Jucato> nvm, this isn't my pc anyway. besides, I'm sure seishinbyou and campbch aren't talking about me :P
[04:58] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok that worked
[04:59] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: how about 7
[05:01] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: looking just a sec
[05:01] <enyawix> looks like others have same issue
[05:01] <enyawix> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1103.html
[05:02] <seishinbyou> campbch: You are studying Japanese now, then?
[05:02] <campbch> yes
[05:02] <enyawix> why
[05:02] <campbch> :D
[05:02] <campbch> i studied spanish in HS, so i can speak that as well
[05:03] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: don't do number 7
[05:03] <campbch> but japanese is more fun
[05:03] <campbch> ok, next...
[05:03] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: just install knetworkmanager
[05:03] <seishinbyou> Ah, I studied French in school, but only because we were forced to
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> seishinbyou: english?
[05:04] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yeah i got 7 done
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: install knetworkmanager
[05:05] <campbch> i intsalled firefox using adept, but it's not showing up in any of the menus or anything
[05:05] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: which is
[05:05] <Jucato> Filipino
[05:05] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: did that already
[05:05] <Jucato> campbch: try running this command in Konsole or Alt+F2 "kbuildsycoca --incremental"
[05:05] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: you should be all set then
[05:05] <Jucato> campbch: that's to refresh the K Menu
[05:06] <enyawix> sudo apt-get source --compile tvtime
[05:06] <enyawix> E: Unable to find a source package for tvtime :(
[05:06] <campbch> :p
[05:06] <Jucato> enyawix: check that the deb-src repository for universe is enabled
[05:06] <campbch> didnt have to do that with any other apps
[05:06] <campbch> but it worked :D
[05:06] <seishinbyou> BonBonTheJon: Actually, Japanese.  My first language is English.  I've only lived in Japan a while/too long/a bit
[05:06] <Jucato> campbch: yeah. it's a common issue, at least on Dapper (think it was fixed in Edgy)
[05:06] <enyawix> Jucato how do i do that?
[05:06] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i still cant figure out step 3
[05:07] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: open up the console
[05:07] <Jucato> enyawix: "desu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"then look for the deb-src line for "universe". if it has a "#" at the beginning, delete it. save. then sudo "pt-get update" and try again
[05:08] <enyawix> ok
[05:08] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok
[05:08] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: ok do "cd /lib/modules"
[05:08] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: then do "ls"
[05:09] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: no such file or dir
[05:09] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: for the "cd /lib/modules"? or "ls"?
[05:10] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: Is
[05:10] <matr1x> hmm
[05:10] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: oops got it now
[05:10] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: "ls" just displays the files in a directory
[05:10] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: typed it wrong
[05:10] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: now what?
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: now cd into the kernal number you looked up before
[05:11] <vitriol> HEY I USED TO HAVE KDE SET UP TO WHERE CTRL + TAB WOULD SWITCH VIRTUAL DESKTOPS...
[05:11] <otaku-san> ok I'm out ya'll  g'night
[05:11] <vitriol> anybody know how i can get that back?
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> night otaku-san
[05:11] <Jucato> sayonara otaku-san!
[05:11] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i never got it to work how dod i do it?
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: ok, run "uname -r" and it will return the kernal number
[05:11] <otaku-san> Jucato, BonBonTheJon: Peace
[05:11] <enyawix> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_universe_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[05:12] <enyawix> now what?
[05:12] <Jucato> vitriol: please drop the caps. check in System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:12] <vitriol> Jucato: sorry about that... http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/22/happy-international-caps-lock-day/
[05:12] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: I've been wondering, why is keyboard shortcuts in Regional & Accessibility
[05:12] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: alright i'm in the right one now
[05:13] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: because Keyboard Shortcuts are an accessibility feature?
[05:13] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: now "cd ./kernel"
[05:13] <Vuen> okay, i am very angry with kde right now
[05:13] <Jucato> I think it was changed in Edgy, though. lots of stuff in System Settings got rearranged
[05:13] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: k
[05:13] <Vuen> i just selected about 60 folders because i wanted to see how much space they took up
[05:13] <Vuen> and i don't know WHAT i pressed, but konqueror decided to open every single folder, EACH IN A SEPARATE WINDOW.
[05:13] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: that took too long, all at once "cd ./drivers/net/wireless"
[05:14] <Vuen> i had to switch to tty1 and killall konqueror to recover
[05:14] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: k
[05:14] <Vuen> shouldn't it, like, ask me if that's what i really wanted to do??
[05:14] <campbch> crash and burn :p
[05:14] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: now "sudo mv acx /root/"
[05:14] <Jucato> Vuen: have you checked Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Behavior ?
[05:14] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: k
[05:14] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: finally "sudo depmod -a"
[05:15] <enyawix> Jucato thanks i got it :)
[05:15] <Vuen> Jucato: i see nothing here about prompting me whether i REALLY want to open 60 windows at once
[05:15] <enyawix> Jucato you are the man!
[05:15] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok
[05:15] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: and that was step 3
[05:15] <Jucato> Vuen: remember that by default, KDE uses single-click to open folders or run stuff
[05:15] <Jucato> enyawix: hehe no problem :)
[05:16] <Vuen> Jucato: that's not the point at all
[05:16] <Vuen> i know i pressed something i shouldn't have to open them
[05:16] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i hope it works i'm gonna reboot and see what happens brb thanks for the help
[05:16] <Vuen> the point is, shouldn't it ask me to make sure?
[05:16] <Vuen> windows asks you if you accidentally try to open a huge amount of files at once
[05:16] <Vuen> why doesn't kde?
[05:16] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: how do you change the single click to double click
[05:16] <Jucato> um.. because it's not Windows?
[05:16] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: System Settings -> Mouse
[05:16] <Vuen> not good enough
[05:17] <Vuen> "it's not windows" is no excuse to do things poorly
[05:17] <Jucato> I don't know then. maybe KDE is just following what you told it to do (open folders...)
[05:17] <seishinbyou> Windows never asked me to "accidentally" open 300 photos before, but that was an isolated incident
[05:17] <Jucato> Vuen: you can ask in #kde if there's a setting for that. not really sure
[05:17] <campbch> :p
[05:18] <enyawix> why is "universe" blocked? by default
[05:18] <enyawix> is it unsafe?
[05:18] <Jucato> enyawix: it's not blocked. just disabled
[05:19] <Jucato> because main and restricted has all the *basic* things you need.
[05:19] <campbch> only thing i could com.06 LTS: tplain about is sometimes i will be typing, and it will rando.06 LTS: tmly insert whatever i have in my klip.06 LTS: tboard into the text :o not sure what causes this, it'll make sense eventually
[05:19] <campbch> im probably hitting something i dont realize
[05:19] <Jucato> also, having some extra/unused repos enabled makes sudo apt-get update time a bit longer
[05:20] <enyawix> Jucato like emerge --sync ?
[05:20] <Jucato> enyawix: dunno. haven't used Gentoo
[05:20] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: still dont work
[05:21] <vitriol> it doesn't like like there is anything available under Regional Settings - Keyboard Layout that can be clicked on to allow ctrl + tab to switch virtual desktops
[05:21] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: what doesnt
[05:21] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: the wirless card
[05:21] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i think that i deleted the wrong driver caus the tut is useing a dif card then mine
[05:21] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: run "ifconfig" and see if it is listed
[05:22] <Jucato> vitriol: I said "Keyboard Shortuctus" not Layout
[05:23] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yeah it's listed
[05:23] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: but it always was
[05:23] <vitriol> Jucato: ahh i see it now
[05:23] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: just never worked
[05:23] <Jucato> vitriol: :)
[05:24] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: how do i find out what driver it's useing?
[05:24] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: sudo ndiswrapper -l
[05:25] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: run "less /etc/modules | grep ndiswrapper" and tell me if it returns anything
[05:25] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: no i mean how do i tell if kubuntu is useing diswrapper or it's default driver
[05:25] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: nuthing
[05:26] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: sudo ndiswrapper -l    =   tnet1130                driver present, hardware present
[05:26] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: ok, ndiswrapper is ok but the module isnt loaded
[05:27] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: sound good to me
[05:27] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: run "modprobe ndiswrapper"
[05:27] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: how we load it?
[05:27] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: returned nothing
[05:27] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: thats good
[05:28] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: now try "less /etc/modules | grep ndiswrapper"  again
[05:28] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: nothing
[05:28] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: try "sudo ndiswrapper -m"
[05:29] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: modprobe config already contains alias directive
[05:29] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hmm
[05:29] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: run "iwlist wlan0 scan" to see if the card can see networks
[05:30] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: hey it can thats new!
[05:30] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: ok, so start up knetworkmanager and set up the network
[05:31] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: knetworkmanager is blank
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: keep trying it, sometimes its a little picky
[05:32] <access_d> anyone else try fglrx on a dv8110us notebook with an ATI Radeon Xpress 200m video card and get _really_ choppy graphics?
[05:32] <derek> !mp3
[05:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:32] <campbch> hmm...
[05:33] <campbch> i still can't get the IME to work in any other programs....
[05:33] <seishinbyou> did you restart your X session?
[05:33] <campbch> :\
[05:33] <campbch> ill try it
[05:33] <campbch> but i cant technically start skim until after it's started anyways
[05:35] <seishinbyou> Well?  
[05:35] <seishinbyou> 
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: any luck?
[05:36] <Jucato> Well? [box]  [box]  [box]  [box]  [box]  [box] 
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> seishinbyou: are we supposed to see Japanese?
[05:36] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: I think we are
[05:36] <seishinbyou> campbch and I had it going for a bit there
[05:36] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: good because I do
[05:37] <Jucato> hiragana, katakana, or .... what was the other one?
[05:37] <seishinbyou> I'm running in a JP environment anyways...mostly because that is part of my job
[05:37] <seishinbyou> kanji
[05:37] <campbch> yep
[05:37] <campbch> it's working now
[05:37] <Jucato> ah that one :)
[05:37] <seishinbyou> awesomeness and awesomenousity
[05:37] <campbch> :D thanks
[05:37] <Jucato> lol @ awesomenousity
[05:37] <flaccid> far out azureus dialogs give me the shits when they don't hde
[05:37] <flaccid> hide
[05:37] <campbch> it starts up with KDE now, rather than after, so it's working
[05:38] <campbch> im happy :D
[05:38] <seishinbyou> Well, I'm glad it is working for you
[05:38] <campbch> yep thanks :D
[05:39] <seishinbyou> 2 Jucatos.  That must mean one of you...is a doppleganger...oh, too late
[05:40] <Jucato> lol
[05:40] <Jucato> I killed my doppelganger :)
[05:40] <macoxp> still not working
[05:41] <seishinbyou> That's okay.  You really don't want those things hanging around anyways
[05:41] <BonBonTheJon> Lunch? Its midnight here.
[05:41] <Jucato> seishinbyou: hey it's almost noon here too :)
[05:43] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: EST then?
[05:43] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: still nuthing :(
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: yup
[05:43] <Jucato> ah :)
[05:43] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hmm, I dunno
[05:44] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: think you could fix me with desktop shareing access? :)
[05:44] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hopefully someone else has an idea
[05:44] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yeah
[05:44] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: share Kubuntu
[05:44] <BonBonTheJon> ?
[05:45] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yeah
[05:45] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: your best bet is installing VNC, but I don't know how to do it
[05:48] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: heres something to look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_configure_remote_desktop_.28not_secure.29
[05:50] <Jucato> aaah.. peace and quiet :)
[05:53] <campbch> good music
[05:54] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: couldent we use Kfrb?
[05:54] <flaccid> !vnc
[05:54] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[05:54] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I havent used it, but it looks like it sends an invitation
[05:55] <flaccid> !x11vnc
[05:55] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-5 (dapper), package size 318 kB, installed size 820 kB
[05:56] <campbch> physically speaking, how does that work? does it project whatever you see see on your screen across the net? or just parts of it?
[05:56] <CVirus> !unrar
[05:56] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[05:56] <CVirus> !info unrar-free
[05:56] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[05:56] <BonBonTheJon> campbch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vnc
[05:57] <Jucato> CVirus: iirc, unrar-free can't unrar latter versions of RAR and can't unrar split RARs
[05:57] <CVirus> Jucato: thanks for the tip
[05:57] <Jucato> sure
[05:58] <campbch> i see...
[05:59] <campbch> later
[05:59] <Jucato> bye campbch!
[05:59] <Jucato> oyasumi nasai
[05:59] <campbch> over my head :D
[05:59] <Jucato> = good night :P
[05:59] <campbch> i figured as much
[05:59] <Jucato> hehe
[05:59] <campbch> you too
[05:59] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: whats your email?
[06:00] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: PM me
[06:01] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i cant says i'm blocked
[06:01] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: ok, jmuerller at yahoo dot com
[06:01] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: if you're nick is registered, you could have sent a /msg to him instead :P
[06:02] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: too late now, but thanks for the tip
[06:02] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok sent
[06:02] <Jucato> heheh ok
[06:02] <Jucato> next time I'll be faster :P
[06:04] <xsacha> hello im installing kubuntu right now.. the gui isnt letting me create a swap space with my install
[06:05] <xsacha> i can create root partition and then if i click anywhere else, create becomes greyed out forever.. if i click create straight away, screen goes blank
[06:05] <plugs> oops sorry about that.
[06:05] <Jucato> heh
[06:06] <BonBonTheJon> xsacha: did you leave space for swap
[06:06] <xsacha> yes there's 35 gigs left on that hard drive
[06:06] <macoxp> xsacha: why not let it do it automattically?
[06:06] <xsacha> i want to do it manually
[06:07] <BonBonTheJon> xsacha: 35GB for swap?
[06:07] <xsacha> no 35 g left on hard drive
[06:07] <xsacha> it greys out the create button after i make my root partition.. wont let me make a swap
[06:07] <xsacha> should i just make one in fdisk instead?
[06:07] <BonBonTheJon> xsacha: how many partitions do you have so far?
[06:08] <xsacha> 4
[06:08] <BonBonTheJon> xsacha: there you go, you can only have 4
[06:08] <xsacha> (different linux OSes)
[06:08] <xsacha> oh damn
[06:08] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I didnt get anything
[06:08] <Jucato> you can only have 4 *primary* partitions
[06:08] <xsacha> only 4 partitions on a hard drive? :S
[06:08] <xsacha> i see
[06:08] <Jucato> but with logical partitions, you can go beyond that limit
[06:09] <martynda> hi, can someone help me with installing JDBC? I can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong with it
[06:09] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: check ur spamm
[06:09] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I did, try again
[06:10] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I just cleaned everything out
[06:10] <xsacha> for some reason it's sticking in little tidbits like 3mb between partitions
[06:11] <rawrness> upgrading wish me luck :P
[06:11] <plugs> that's probably to make sure they dont overlap, right?
[06:11] <xsacha> well i had a swap next hda2 before, if i remove it and then put it back it sticks 3mb in between
[06:12] <BonBonTheJon> I think you can use the same swap for all of them
[06:12] <xsacha> yes im just rearranging it
[06:13] <plugs> i'd get way too confused if i had 4 different linux os's
[06:13] <xsacha> so now i have /dev/hda-1 /dev/hda-2 (3mb and 7mb) between my partitions :(
[06:13] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: sent it again
[06:14] <xsacha> oh well
[06:14] <rawrness> so when updatting do i just change all instrences of dapper in only the distro colum?
[06:14] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: got it
[06:14] <xsacha> if i make a reiserfs partition, can i get kubuntu to use it?
[06:14] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: can you control it on your end?
[06:14] <Jucato> rawrness: basically, yes
[06:14] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hold on
[06:15] <rawrness> Jucato:  so i don't touch the urls right?
[06:15] <Jucato> nope
[06:15] <rawrness> kk thats what screwd my system last time
[06:15] <Jucato> :)
[06:15] <rawrness> i changed the urls and left destro alone :P
[06:15] <Jucato> er...
[06:16] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: does konversation say hi
[06:16] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: yup
[06:16] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: it worked
[06:16] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i saw you move my mouse
[06:16] <xsacha> because there's no option to create filesystem as reiserfs, but also no option to choose an existing partition :S
[06:16] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: vnc is fun
[06:16] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: maybe now you can fix it :D
[06:16] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I'm going to delete the email, ok?
[06:16] <flaccid> xsacha: fdisk?
[06:16] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i dont care
[06:17] <xsacha> yeah i create a reiser but then how do i get kubuntu to use it?
[06:17] <flaccid> mount it?
[06:17] <xsacha> is there an option past prepare partitions screen?
[06:17] <Jucato> xsacha: yes
[06:17] <xsacha> ok thanks
[06:18] <rawrness> do i make dapper-updates edgy-updates?
[06:18] <flaccid> a lot people report problems with reiserfs especially data loss
[06:18] <Jucato> rawrness: yes, but it wouldn't probably be necessary.
[06:18] <xsacha> i've never had problem with reiser :)
[06:18] <Jucato> same with edgy-backports
[06:19] <rawrness> Jucato:  just want to be carefull i was working for 3 hours trying to get a working system
[06:19] <rawrness> last time
[06:19] <Jucato> oh
[06:19] <BonBonTheJon> night all
[06:19] <rawrness> night
[06:19] <rawrness> sleep well and wake
[06:19] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: noooo! well thanks anways
[06:20] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: I'll be back tomorrow afternoon
[06:20] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok
[06:21] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ahhh it's working!
[06:21] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: lol
[06:21] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: just as you were leacveing it starting working
[06:21] <BonBonTheJon> good
[06:21] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: thanks for the help dude you are god among men
[06:23] <rawrness> full upgrade button an't doing anything....
[06:24] <rawrness> .oh wait i have to hit apply don't I
[06:24] <rawrness> dur!
[06:24] <rawrness> nighty'
[06:24] <Jucato> err.
[06:24] <Jucato> you have to Fetch Updates first, too
[06:24] <rawrness> did that first
[06:25] <Jucato> ok just checking eheheh
[06:25] <Jucato> (most people forget)
[06:25] <rawrness> little details
[06:25] <rawrness> tend to screw people the most
[06:25] <Jucato> heh
[06:26] <rawrness> well i have to get up tomorow so i am going to sleep
[06:26] <realfolkblues> hi people
[06:26] <rawrness> night yall
[06:26] <realfolkblues> anyone here good with linux wanna help me out a little?
[06:26] <flaccid> !ask > realfolkblues
[06:27] <realfolkblues> flaccid: hey
[06:27] <soundmaster80> I'm trying to transfer a file that's 2.9gb over samba and it seems there is a limit of 2gb. can anyone tell me how to get around this?
[06:27] <robin> hello, what do i need to do to be able to access / with out ussing the command line as root
[06:27] <realfolkblues> flaccid: i installed the nividia drivers already but i still cant get my res more then 1024x768
[06:27] <flaccid> soundmaster80: what version is the samba server?
[06:27] <soundmaster80> robin i think in edgy uou have to view hidden files
[06:27] <plugs> at least your computer will boot with the nvidia card attached.
[06:27] <soundmaster80> lemmie check
[06:27] <Jucato> robin: launch Konqueror as root: Alt+F2, "kdesu konqueror"
[06:27] <Jucato> robin: be *very* careful, though
[06:28] <soundmaster80> oh, missunderstood the question
[06:28] <zezelle> robin:  alt f
[06:28] <rawrness> Very carefull..
[06:28] <zezelle> robin:  alt f12 f9
[06:29] <soundmaster80> how would i find the samba version?
[06:29] <zezelle> Jucato:  f6 does
[06:29] <Jucato> zezelle: which does what?
[06:29] <realfolkblues> noone has ant idea how to fix my res?
[06:30] <flaccid> soundmaster80: easier question. this is an ubuntu samba server ?
[06:30] <plugs> you can run linux on a mac, right?
[06:30] <soundmaster80> yeah
[06:30] <soundmaster80> dapper samba server
[06:30] <Jucato> plugs: yes
[06:30] <plugs> sweet i bet it totally rocks
[06:30] <soundmaster80> default ubuntu FS on both
[06:30] <zezelle> Jucato:  Iam sory just bad
[06:31] <robin> it works thx
[06:31] <soundmaster80> the 2gb limit is supposedly fixed in smb2 i understand but i thought dapper had that already
[06:32] <Jucato> realfolkblues: have you restarted the X Server already?
[06:32] <flaccid> i thought it was kernel-based, soundmaster80 and its samba3 now anyway
[06:33] <soundmaster80> hmm
[06:33] <flaccid> soundmaster80: need to mount with large file support: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=372039
[06:33] <obf213> sound is coming out of my computer speakers and my headphones
[06:33] <obf213> how do i stop that
[06:33] <obf213> this happens every so often
[06:34] <realfolkblues> Jucato: i used automatrix and it restarted my computer afterwards that the same?
[06:34] <robin> is there an easy way to enble tv out on my 6600 nvidea card
[06:34] <Jucato> realfolkblues: yeah basically. have you checked System Settings -> Display for the resolution settings?
[06:34] <realfolkblues> Jucato: yes and it's maxed out at 1024x768
[06:35] <Jucato> hm... maybe that's that max res of your monitor?
[06:35] <nabil_> hi there pls help me i need to configure my ati x1300 mobility in kubuntu
[06:35] <Jucato> anyway, gtg. bye!
[06:35] <plugs> obf123 what kind of sound?
[06:35] <realfolkblues> Jucato: the monitors native res is 1440x900
[06:36] <nabil_> does anyone has any ideo on how do we set ati x1300 radeon monilty in kubuntu
[06:39] <obf213> realfolkblues wht type of computer do you have
[06:40] <realfolkblues> obf213: you want all the specs?
[06:40] <obf213> no just like make and model
[06:40] <realfolkblues> obf213: self built
[06:41] <obf213> o
[06:41] <realfolkblues> obf213: why?
[06:41] <obf213> my dell did the same thing with the res
[06:41] <obf213> but i got the 1440 x900
[06:41] <realfolkblues> obf213: how did you fix it?
[06:42] <obf213> i opened console
[06:42] <obf213> did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:42] <seishinbyou> I have seen a handful of laptops with 1440x900 screen res.  I had a similar problem with my Libretto L1 (1280x600 res)
[06:42] <nabil_> exit
[06:42] <realfolkblues> obf213: then what?
[06:42] <obf213> go throught the prompt
[06:42] <obf213> the console should be blue now no?
[06:44] <realfolkblues> should i attempt to auto detect hardware?
[06:44] <method|> can someone help me get my usb soundcard working? ubuntu recognizes it fine and everything but i cant get any sound from it
[06:44] <obf213> yes
[06:44] <obf213> realfolkblues
[06:44] <obf213> you already downloaded 911resloution right?
[06:45] <maltaethiron> hey, when i go to change the browser identification in konqueror so that gmail and other 2.0 sites look normal, whatever browser id i select, it doesnt seem to care, and gives me a dumbed down version of the site
[06:46] <maltaethiron> any help?
[06:46] <jonkelle> maltaethiron.... do you have java script enabled?
[06:46] <maltaethiron> lemme check jonkelle
[06:47] <maltaethiron> yes sir
[06:47] <jonkelle> hold on.  I'm checking it in my konqueror....
[06:47] <maltaethiron> ok
[06:48] <realfolkblues> obf213: hey it let me add the new res now i gotta reboot thanks!
[06:48] <obf213> realfok blues
[06:48] <obf213> what
[06:48] <obf213> wait
[06:48] <realfolkblues> obf213: yes?
[06:48] <obf213> you shouldnt have to reboot
[06:48] <obf213> run krandrtray
[06:49] <realfolkblues> obf213: i need to restart x desktop or whatever it's called right
[06:49] <obf213> no
[06:49] <obf213> run krandrtray
[06:49] <obf213> that will let you resize now youve added the resolution
[06:49] <jonkelle> maeltaethiron  instead of changing your browser identiyt.  try using this link.  it worked for me. http://mail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser
[06:50] <jonkelle> that disables the script that verifies if your browser is supported.
[06:50] <realfolkblues> obf213: krandrtray only shows up to 1024x768 i'm gonna try restarting
[06:50] <obf213> alright
[06:51] <jonkelle> it looks like it does not fully work though.  it may be why google redirects you....
[06:52] <maltaethiron> ok thanks jonkelle
[06:54] <flaccid> thats what i hate about google. they make good stuff, but without standards!! vbad
[06:58] <enyawix> what is a good graphical package manager? synaptic will not surest extra packarges like dselect will
[06:58] <jonkelle> Hey does anyone know of any repositories containing OOo2.0.4 for Dapper before I go ahead and alien the rpms?  I personally prefer to let apt handle this kind of software.
[07:00] <jonkelle> it might be a dead time of night to ask that question though...  I may hold off one more day, and continue the search, and ask again tomorrow during the day.
[07:07] <realfolkblues> hi
[07:07] <realfolkblues> who was helping me a min agao?
[07:09] <realfolkblues> well i changed the settings in x to try and get my right res and now i cant boot how do i get back to changeing x without gui?
[07:10] <Jobberwacky> realfolkblues, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:11] <realfolkblues> Jobberwacky how do i bring up the consle when i got a jumbled screen?
[07:12] <realfolkblues> is there a hot key to hide k desktop?
[07:12] <Jobberwacky> realfolkblues, you should read the error report for clues first, then hit ok until a login prompt appears
[07:12] <realfolkblues> i cant read anythig right now
[07:12] <Jobberwacky> you're writing this from another PC?
[07:12] <realfolkblues> no this is laptop desktop is messed up now
[07:13] <Jobberwacky> I dont understand
[07:13] <realfolkblues> Jobberwacky: i'm on my laptop running xp my linux desktop need help
[07:14] <realfolkblues> Jobberwacky: i cant read anything on it's screen caus the things is all weird colors
[07:14] <Jobberwacky> when you try loading linux what happens? X server error?
[07:14] <realfolkblues> it boots normally then weird colors
[07:14] <Jobberwacky> when that happens try hitting alt+ctrl+F1
[07:14] <Jobberwacky> then login and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:14] <realfolkblues> sweet i got the consle now
[07:16] <realfolkblues> it says command not found
[07:17] <ner> Could you tell me normal keyboard layot switcher? =)
[07:18] <Jobberwacky> realfolkblues, use nano
[07:19] <realfolkblues> Jobberwacky: ok that worked but this is a different thing then what i was in b4 what do i do here?
[07:21] <NameNomad> movin towards sleep
[07:21] <NameNomad> adios todas personas
[07:22] <Jobberwacky> realfolkblues, that's a whole different thing, try posting on the forums describing your problem
[07:24] <stormzoeker> /?
[07:28] <unix_infidel> if i pass a value into a variable on a shell prompt, where does the value get stored, and is it stored after logout?
[07:28] <unix_infidel> or until i've rebooted / that value is overwritten.
[07:28] <realfolkblues> Jobberwacky: i figured it out what i needed was the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg caus i choose 1 option wrong
[07:29] <smaceda> hello!!!!!!
[07:29] <realfolkblues> smaceda: hi
[07:29] <smaceda> i'm new to kubuntu!
[07:29] <Dasnipa`> yay
[07:29] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[07:29] <realfolkblues> smaceda: me to :D
[07:29] <stormzoeker> /leave
[07:30] <smaceda> realfolkblues: until yesterday, i was a gnome user!!!!
[07:30] <jonkelle> unix_infidel it is not stored after logout if you pass at a shell prompt.  to have it each time, you need to globally pass the value in your .bashrc or some such.
[07:31] <unix_infidel> jonkelle: so its in memory with that parent process until i logout.
[07:31] <smaceda> soooo HELP ME PLANET!!!
[07:31] <jonkelle> yes.
[07:31] <unix_infidel> jonkelle: gracias.
[07:31] <jonkelle> de nada
[07:31] <smaceda> opa
[07:31] <smaceda> hay alguien que habla castellano!
[07:32] <Dasnipa`> !es
[07:32] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:32] <smaceda> OK sorry
[07:32] <unix_infidel> haha, castillians with their, "I'm not a spainard, i'm castillian"
[07:33] <jonkelle> I don't know castillian real well.  I have friends who are trying to school me in it though. :)
[07:33] <jonkelle> just minor things that throw me off.
[07:33] <jonkelle> :-p
[07:33] <unix_infidel> i mean seriously, when you have a "ya'll" verb conjugation, you know something's a stray :)
[07:34] <smaceda> jejeje
[07:34] <smaceda> ;)
[07:34] <smaceda> spanish is really hard
[07:34] <smaceda> so... better learn linux
[07:34] <smaceda> :)
[07:34] <smaceda> jejeje
[07:35] <realfolkblues> hmmm how weird my refrest rate in wondows was 60hz and it worked perfict but here it's 60 and the screen is all off center
[07:35] <unix_infidel> ya'll got some very nice women on the beaches though :)
[07:40] <enyawix> konversation spell check not working missing package?
[07:40] <xsacha> hey im back
[07:40] <enyawix> i have aspell and ispell
[07:41] <xsacha> just had to get rid of that god-awful grub loader :P
[07:41] <enyawix> lol
[07:41] <xsacha> on lilo now :D the grub wouldnt boot up anyway lol
[07:41] <xsacha> was just sitting at Loading Grub
[07:43] <seishinbyou> lol at overheard conversation "What do you mean micromanagement is turning our employees against us?"
[07:45] <enyawix> is you must use micromanagement why have managers?
[07:45] <enyawix> if*
[07:45] <flaccid> managers do the micromanagement..
[07:45] <enyawix> lol
[07:46] <Jucato> so do you have micromanagers? and managers to manage the micromanagers?
[07:46] <Jucato> j/k
[07:46] <obf213> hey does anyone know wht the icons in kicker are called
[07:46] <flaccid> hehe prolly
[07:46] <obf213> i screwed up my kicker and im trying to get htem back.
[07:46] <flaccid> 'i'm only micromanaging you becaue i am being micromanaged'
[07:47] <Jucato> obf213: which ones?
[07:47] <obf213> the little icon that sits there when you open the sound manager or amarok
[07:47] <Jucato> obf213: you mean the whole System Tray? it's a Panel Applet
[07:47] <Admiral_Chicago> obf213: system tray icons?
[07:47] <Jucato> right-click Panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> System Tray
[07:47] <obf213> ahh thanks
[07:47] <plugs> are you guys still at it?
[07:48] <plugs> Mad stalin.
[07:48] <obf213> the tool bars are so hard to configure
[07:49] <Jucato> obf213: nah. you just need to get used to terminologies and stuff :P
[07:49] <obf213> no like moving stuff
[07:49] <obf213> thats how i screwed it up
[07:49] <Jucato> ah
[07:49] <obf213> and im trying to get my clock back to the right hand position
[07:50] <Blacken> Hrm, is there a console command to initiate hibernation?
[07:50] <Jucato> obf213: by default, when you hover over the clock a bit, you'll see handles that you can drag around
[07:50] <obf213> herrm all i c is a little bubble that pops up telling me the date
[07:51] <xsacha> i dont have that either..
[07:51] <Jucato> obf213: hm... try hovering near the left edge of the clock
[07:51] <xsacha> obf213: hover mouse over and hit left side and click Move
[07:51] <Jucato> sorry, not over the clock itself, near the left edge :)
[07:52] <xsacha> a little tiny up arrow in top left corner will give the options
[07:52] <obf213> no arroow pops up or anything, i just updated so i doubt my clock wouldbt be updated
[07:52] <xsacha> just hover mouse over the clock and look for a small ^ in top left corner
[07:53] <xsacha> little tiny black ^
[07:53] <Jucato> hm.. he could have turned the Handle bars off...
[07:53] <xsacha> Lock Panels?
[07:53] <obf213> i see the tiny black arrow for like kmeun and console and stuff
[07:54] <xsacha> right click between the clock and whatever it is next to
[07:54] <Jucato> obf213: no, not those
[07:54] <xsacha> do you see "Unlock Panel" ?
[07:54] <obf213> the panels arent lokced
[07:54] <obf213> i moved around som other stuff
[07:55] <Jucato> obf213: these tiny arrows only appear when the handle bars appear, the handle bars appear only when you hover to the left edge of the clock or the system tray. it's like an invisible separator
[07:55] <obf213> but takstbar, system tray, clock and window vew are all messed up
[07:56] <xsacha> it should be a little bar between your clock and whatever it next to that fills up with dots and has an arrow appear when you hover your mouse over it
[07:56] <Jucato> oh well...
[07:56] <obf213> yeah i remember thouse
[07:57] <xsacha> is it there.. or not?
[07:57] <obf213> not anymore
[07:57] <xsacha> if not you'll have to click right in the boundary and unlock panels..
[07:58] <Jucato> he could have also disabled it in the Appearance options of Configure Panel
[07:58] <xsacha> or anywhere else
[07:58] <xsacha> just right click on taskbar somewhhere where it is empty.. do you see unlock panels?
[07:58] <obf213> got them
[07:58] <obf213> yeah i had disabled them jucato
[07:59] <Jucato> lol
[08:02] <xsacha> hmm all fonts come size 9 default in kubuntu.. they are size 10 default in KDE package
[08:02] <xsacha> it still seems too large for me
[08:02] <xsacha> i was messing around with DisplaySize in X but by setting my monitors real width/length i only made it bigger lol
[08:03] <Jucato> xsacha: does Kubuntu and default KDE use the same font?
[08:03] <xsacha> default KDE actually had different sizes and fonts for each type of thing
[08:04] <xsacha> kubuntu seems to only have one different: monospace
[08:04] <xsacha> but yeah fonts were pretty much the same, i think the toolbar was different
[08:05] <xsacha> oh it could just be new version of KDE, i was using src of 3.5.3
[08:05] <xsacha> this version has Force fonts DPI :) beautiful!
[08:05] <kunjan> anyone having trouble with latest kde 3.5 and cups?
[08:05] <xsacha> compiling? or printing?
[08:05] <kunjan> i cant access cups printer settings in system->printer in admin mode
[08:06] <kunjan> works fine normally
[08:06] <xsacha> i dont have a printer to test it :(
[08:07] <kunjan> An error occurred while retrieving the printer list:
[08:07] <kunjan> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: localhost: read failed (15).
[08:07] <kunjan> when its running fine
[08:07] <kunjan> :(
[08:07] <xsacha> maybe try reinstall cups?
[08:07] <kunjan> did tht, reinstalled hp drivers too
[08:07] <xsacha> :(
[08:08] <kunjan> i can print fine with lp filename.pdf
[08:08] <kunjan> how to add users to CUPS?
[08:08] <kunjan> i think that is the problem
[08:08] <kunjan> i cant figure out how to do that
[08:08] <xsacha> what group do they need to be in? print or something?
[08:08] <kunjan> lpadmin
[08:08] <kunjan> yeah i am part of that group
[08:09] <kunjan> let me check if root's also a part of it or not :D
[08:09] <xsacha> root is all? :)
[08:09] <kunjan> my user name is
[08:09] <kunjan> root wasnt
[08:09] <kunjan> restarting cups
[08:09] <xsacha> oh you made a user root?
[08:10] <xsacha> i have root in all
[08:10] <kunjan> naah still the same
[08:10] <jonkelle> all systems have a root user.  the password is just disabled by default in ubuntu.
[08:10] <xsacha> it should be in all groups
[08:10] <jonkelle> the sudo mechanism replacing it for some measure of security.
[08:11] <xsacha> yeah i know
[08:12] <xsacha> Error: localhost: read failed (15)  is localhost on?
[08:13] <xsacha> ifconfig lo
[08:13] <kunjan> no if i do http://localhost:631 i can see CUPS web configs just fine
[08:13] <kunjan> like i said, lp finename.pdf prints fine!
[08:13] <kunjan> there is something wrong with kde and/or permissions
[08:13] <unix_infidel> kunjan: not if its an advanced pdf format.
[08:14] <unix_infidel> you'd probably have to convert to ps.
[08:14] <xsacha> check out /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[08:14] <kunjan> unix_infidel: cups prints pdfs fine (maybe converting it to PS internally)
[08:14] <xsacha> is DefaultAuthType in there?
[08:15] <unix_infidel> kunjan: which is why i said, try printing a pdf with images, and advanced divs.
[08:15] <kunjan> unix_infidel: my problem is not printing.... i need to change the print quality
[08:15] <kunjan> so for that, i need to go into system -> printers
[08:15] <xsacha> kunjan.. did you check out /etc/cups/cupsd.conf ?
[08:16] <kunjan> and there i need to goto admin mode
[08:16] <kunjan> which doesnt work
[08:16] <kunjan> xsacha: looking at it
[08:16] <xsacha> can you see DefaultAuthType?
[08:16] <obf213> anyone here use kweather
[08:17] <obf213> !kweather
[08:17] <ubotu> kweather: weather display applet for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1207 kB, installed size 2260 kB
[08:17] <kunjan> xsacha: yeah?
[08:17] <xsacha> what is it set as?
[08:17] <kunjan> BASIC
[08:17] <kunjan> err Basic
[08:17] <xsacha> k
[08:17] <xsacha> any restrictions?
[08:18] <kunjan> <Location />
[08:18] <kunjan>   Order allow,deny
[08:18] <kunjan>   Allow localhost
[08:18] <kunjan>   Allow @LOCAL

[08:18] <xsacha> and Location /admin ?
[08:18] <xsacha> has the same?
[08:18] <kunjan> <Location /admin>
[08:18] <kunjan>   Order allow,deny
[08:18] <kunjan>   Allow localhost

[08:19] <kunjan> its the default cupsd.conf file... havent changed anything yet
[08:19] <xsacha> nothing in there out of place? apparently KDE overwrites default and will cause that error you are getting
[08:20] <kunjan> it used to work before, i think (pretty sure) it started after i updated kde from apt-get update/upgrade and i think that broke it
[08:20] <xsacha> yes, KDE overwrites that config file
[08:20] <kunjan> ouch!
[08:20] <kunjan> the funny thing is, i can see printer settings fine from CUPS in the printers panel
[08:21] <kunjan> when i am a normal user
[08:21] <kunjan> just cant change it
[08:21] <kunjan> the second i do admin mode, it even refuses to connect to cups!
[08:21] <kunjan> and i get the same error when i try to print
[08:21] <xsacha> yeah everyone seems to have got same problem when updating to KDE 3.5.5 http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qt-kde%40lists.debian.org/msg16353.html
[08:22] <kunjan> well apparently i didnt google hard enough
[08:23] <kunjan> We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
[08:23] <kunjan> kdelibs, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:
[08:24] <kunjan> guess i have to wait till this comes downstream into ubuntu's repos
[08:24] <xsacha> well apparently all it did was overwrites something in cupsd.conf ..
[08:24] <xsacha> in there a section about requesting settings as admin?
[08:25] <kunjan> which one?
[08:25] <kunjan> the bug report doesnt say wht was fixed they just ""its been fixed now" i m marking it done"
[08:25] <kunjan> fixed what!?????
[08:30] <xsacha> try changing all the Allow localhost to Allow @LOCAL ?
[08:30] <xsacha> because localhost isnt in the man and localhost is giving error
[08:30] <kunjan> which section of the conf?
[08:31] <xsacha> wherever you see Allow localhost
[08:32] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <xsacha> s/Allow localhost/Allow @LOCAL done?
[08:33] <kunjan> restarting cups
[08:34] <kunjan> nope
[08:34] <xsacha> :(
[08:35] <kunjan> :(
[08:35] <xsacha> could always turn off auth as a workaround :P or remove @requirements
[08:35] <kunjan> haha
[08:36] <kunjan> naah i will just wait till they update the package, will print this from school tomorrow
[08:36] <kunjan> they still use kde3.2
[08:36] <kunjan> lol
[08:36] <flaccid> iirc cups gui in kde has issues
[08:36] <xsacha> your school uses linux?
[08:36] <kunjan> yeah
[08:36] <flaccid> thats sick
[08:36] <kunjan> yeah fedora core :(
[08:36] <xsacha> hehe
[08:36] <xsacha> my uni is on windows xp
[08:37] <kunjan> well, we only have about 50 linux machines in the computer lab for general use
[08:37] <flaccid> my uni is windows and mac on desktop, bsd servers
[08:37] <kunjan> not counting other machines, and quite abit of macs
[08:37] <xsacha> ah ok, yeah i was just talking about general library and faculty computers
[08:37] <kunjan> the nice thing is there is no waiting to use the linux machines
[08:38] <kunjan> ;)
[08:38] <flaccid> thats sweet
[08:38] <xsacha> there are of course some linux ones in labs and supercomputer, sirius.. shell everest
[08:38] <flaccid> its funny how i do computing. most students go to the pc rooms. mac rooms are always available
[08:38] <kunjan> we have 4-5 sun solaris boxes too
[08:38] <flaccid> and with new imac g5s wtf would you want a pc w/ windows?
[08:38] <kunjan> flaccid: yeah!
[08:38] <xsacha> :P
[08:38] <flaccid> ya
[08:39] <kunjan> like 10 people are waiting in a line, and you go walk right past them "excuse me, you jumping the line?"
[08:39] <kunjan> its just funny
[08:40] <flaccid> omg
[08:40] <flaccid> thats funny
[08:40] <flaccid> that would shit me actually
[08:41] <kunjan> the funniest thing is tho
[08:42] <xsacha> gah bug in konversation.. if i change foreground colour, only new messages get that foreground colour
[08:42] <kunjan> i work as a comp tech, and we do backups... and sometimes customers hard drives are so corrupted, windows would refuse to see them
[08:43] <seishinbyou> Something like that happened to one of the PCs in the office here
[08:43] <kunjan> you would plug it in on linux and it works just fine!
[08:43] <seishinbyou> thanks to Mr. "When I want to turn off the computer I'll yank out the power cord"
[08:43] <xsacha> lol
[08:43] <kunjan> lol
[08:43] <xsacha> i do that all the time ;) on reiserfs too
[08:43] <seishinbyou> He's a fresh salaryman drone, though
[08:44] <kunjan> my boss was like "wht linux linux linux, anything your linux can do, windows will do"
[08:44] <kunjan> he has stopped saying that now
[08:45] <xsacha> he'd appreciate beryl i think
[08:45] <xsacha> should show him beryl
[08:45] <kunjan> i showed him xgl a few months back
[08:45] <xsacha> hah
[08:45] <xsacha> should show him beryl now to show how fast the technology moves
[08:45] <xsacha> or.. september was really peak time.. not much happened since
[08:46] <kunjan> yeah after quinn forked it, it progressed quite fast
[08:46] <kunjan> i still cant get it to work on amd64 tho
[08:46] <flaccid> i hate 'IT' people who are windows
[08:46] <xsacha> and nvidias driver :D i wish i had an nvidia card, its just not fair
[08:46] <kunjan> works fine from a live cd
[08:46] <xsacha> im on amd65 kubuntu now, it better work lol
[08:46] <xsacha> 64* yeah it worked on live cd for me too
[08:47] <kunjan> yeah something to do with dapper-amd64
[08:47] <seishinbyou> The IT department at the division of Hitachi where I used to work was 100% windows.  They were panicked about Linux
[08:47] <seishinbyou> "It's a hacker tool anyways" they said
[08:47] <xsacha> i tried on CRUX, but when i ran beryl i got this error that no one seems to know about :(
[08:47] <kunjan> lol
[08:47] <bh_> man this dapper to edgy upgrade is rather brutal
[08:48] <danish> at UNITED AIRLINES they are still using windows nt 4.0 and checkin counters
[08:48] <seishinbyou> I had to set up a RedHat environment as a test environment once, and the night when I left it running it's thing, one of the IT staff formatted the drive and installed NT
[08:48] <Jucato> bh_: how come?
[08:48] <xsacha> my ISP is using windows.. they got hit by blaster worm, believe it or not, a few years back
[08:48] <bh_> weird dependencies breaking
[08:48] <kunjan> seishinbyou: you would expect a big name like hitachi would have a clue abt linux!
[08:48] <xsacha> net was out for 2 days
[08:48] <bh_> libpango and fontconfig failing to install, etc...
[08:48] <flaccid> i used to work for a company that had a no-linux policy despite millions of dollars worth of infrastructure. they even used a windows port of bind for dns ffs!
[08:48] <kunjan> xsacha: ouch!
[08:48] <Jucato> er guys, let's tone down the off-topic discussion a bit...
[08:48] <seishinbyou> kunjan: not all divisions, unfortunately
[08:48] <danish> There self checkin counters are windows xp and macromedia flash based
[08:48] <Jucato> we might accidentally fail to see someone needing help...
[08:49] <Jucato> bh_: you did dist-upgrade?
[08:49] <seishinbyou> Hitachi's IT divisions, at least in Japan are more a joke than not, especially in the software end
[08:49] <flaccid> tis like how bigpond got done for delayed emails to customers. was due to a virus on the windows mail server
[08:49] <bh_> there's like a billion packages that need to be upgrade and it's kind of needing manual intervention to remove some of the funkier packages getting in the way of the update
[08:49] <bh_> Jucato, yes, but that's got problems as well
[08:49] <bh_> I did a normal upgrade instead just to limit the problem and manual intervention of the initramfs stuff as well
[08:49] <Jucato> bh_: well, if you have lots of packages installed, they'd have to be upgraded as well. Dapper packages won't run well on Edgy
[08:49] <bh_> right
[08:50] <kunjan> which reminds me i need to format for edgy... have been "tweaking" this one for too long
[08:50] <Jucato> bh_: do you also have unofficial repos/packages?
[08:50] <bh_> It's a bit of a surprise, but since the release date for edgy is so close, I've decided to upgrade now
[08:50] <bh_> don't think so
[08:50] <flaccid> why upgrade now
[08:50] <xsacha> im on RC1 of edgy
[08:50] <bh_> the official release is in 4 days
[08:51] <xsacha> heh
[08:51] <kunjan> Windoze 9x/ME/2000/XP PC + New high speed cable connection + No firewall + No anti-spyware + No anti-virus + Kazza = The Killer CombinationTM!
[08:51] <danish> i am a noob here when is the next stable relese of kubuntu due
[08:51] <kunjan> Oct 26th?
[08:51] <danish> like in 5 yrs or
[08:51] <bh_> so it better work or else bigger problems are going to happen across the user base
[08:51] <Jucato> well, it's still RC...
[08:51] <danish> kunjan; on 26 the stable
[08:51] <xsacha> RC1 im on right now seems ok
[08:52] <Jucato> although by now, there should be very few *critical* bugs left
[08:52] <kunjan> danish: yeah afaik
[08:52] <bh_> mktemp seems to be missing on this system
[08:52] <danish> i though website said that 6.10 would be supported for 5 yrs
[08:52] <kunjan> change in / etc/apt/sources.list > change all dapper to "edgy" ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:52] <xsacha> supported for..
[08:53] <Jucato> danish: 6.06 will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server
[08:53] <xsacha> not 5 years till next version
[08:53] <Jucato> that's Dapper
[08:53] <danish> oh i c
[08:53] <xsacha> versions are every 6 months
[08:53] <kunjan> 5 years gonna be long! :)
[08:53] <Jucato> yeah...
[08:53] <kunjan> i dont really thing after 5 years anyone would be running dapper
[08:53] <kunjan> i would be surprised
[08:53] <Jucato> danish: it just means that there will be security updates for Dapper for 3-5 years. regular releases only last 18 months
[08:54] <Jucato> who knows.
[08:54] <flaccid> if you run a server, why upgrade it. lots of people still could be running dapper in 5 years.
[08:54] <Jucato> how old is Sarge anyway. some are still running it
[08:54] <xsacha> well only 5 years for server kunjan.. and some servers.. yeah
[08:54] <kunjan> oh yeah forgot sarge
[08:54] <seishinbyou> kunjan> There are still Win 3.1 boxes at a few of my old companies
[08:54] <seishinbyou> Why, noone knows
[08:54] <kunjan> i have seen mac system 7
[08:54] <xsacha> if it works, why upgrade it eh?
[08:54] <seishinbyou> That is the logic, doubly so for Japanese managers
[08:54] <kunjan> if aint broke dont fix it
[08:55] <kunjan> lol
[08:55] <seishinbyou> "When we want a system, we want it now, and never to worry about it again"
[08:55] <Jucato> it's also a principle followed "sometimes" in development :)
[08:55] <flaccid> solutions need problems. existing solutions don't require problems.
[08:55] <seishinbyou> Hey, I loved watching the management on the .jp side getting horribly confused in a meeting with a US company over "Software MTBF"
[08:56] <kunjan> seishinbyou: MTBF for software?
[08:56] <flaccid> i guess i mean problems need solutions. if no problem then why make a solution
[08:56] <xsacha> it can be broke and still work and that's good enough for some :P
[08:56] <seishinbyou> kunjan: Yep, it was generally a very entertaining meeting
[08:57] <seishinbyou> "We'll ship you the software on (date).  It is expected to crash once every month critically, we'll patch it every 2 weeks until the MTBF drops to once a year"...
[08:57] <kunjan> sounds like microsoft to me
[08:58] <Jucato> lol
[08:58] <kunjan> "we will only fix your bugs on tuesdays"
[08:58] <xsacha> im sure they supported winxp sp1 for more than a year.. 2 years?
[08:58] <seishinbyou> Nah, though we do have dealings with them here.  Not a terrible place to work it seems, unless you are in the Xbox division
[08:58] <kunjan> xsacha: not sure when sp1 came out
[08:59] <kunjan> at work i refuse to touch machines with win ME on it.. 98 SE i will fix. no ME
[08:59] <kunjan> people are still using those
[08:59] <kunjan> haha
[08:59] <xsacha> i had ME for about 3 days
[08:59] <xsacha> it was terrible
[09:00] <xsacha> no improvements, just a load of problems
[09:00] <flaccid> not much of a dif between those kunjan
[09:00] <xsacha> 98se was much more stable
[09:01] <flaccid> on some machines
[09:01] <kunjan> flaccid: technically yeah
[09:01] <kunjan> i hated the day they put ie4 as part of windows
[09:01] <kunjan> thats the day i started using wht red hat 5?
[09:01] <kunjan> when was that 95/96?
[09:02] <kunjan> we had fvwm95 as the window manager
[09:02] <kunjan> lol
[09:02] <xsacha> "I managed to install Xgl and Beryl on my Kubuntu Edgy AMD64." aha! there is hope for me yet!
[09:02] <bh_> 100mhz Pentium
[09:02] <kunjan> yeah before the mmx came out
[09:03] <bh_> scary
[09:03] <xsacha> amiga, commodore, pentium, pentium, amd, amd, amd, ..
[09:03] <bh_> the 486 was just ending
[09:03] <seishinbyou> Ah, MMX, the technology salesmen couldn't properly explain to customers (at least where I lived)
[09:03] <kunjan> man i wish LCD was cheaper then
[09:03] <seishinbyou> Just like "What does MMX mean?" "It means you don't need a sound card anymore"
[09:04] <kunjan> seishinbyou: LOL
[09:04] <xsacha> "it does something so good that it makes this computer worth... how much money do you have?"
[09:04] <flaccid> multimedia extensions
[09:04] <flaccid> you still need a sound card yes
[09:04] <flaccid> :0
[09:04] <kunjan> lilo+win95+linux dual boot howto
[09:04] <flaccid> was a buzz word but
[09:05] <kunjan> lol remember those howtos
[09:05] <bh_> I'm talking about lilo the person.
[09:05] <xsacha> needed a howto for that? :S
[09:05] <seishinbyou> Howto: Install Beryl on an Amiga 500
[09:05] <xsacha> ooo i want that howto
[09:05] <kunjan> lilo the person?
[09:05] <xsacha> that would be so funny
[09:05] <Jucato> lilo the father of freenode
[09:06] <kunjan> yeah well i was in india at that time... had dial up and BBS
[09:06] <kunjan> freaking expensive
[09:06] <xsacha> XFCE + beryl + nvidia -- what's worst comp that could run on?
[09:06] <kunjan> xsacha: not sure, i have not played with xfce much
[09:07] <xsacha> can get xfce looking pretty nice and a lot less resources..
[09:07] <kunjan> yeah, but i need konqureror
[09:07] <kunjan> awesome file manager...
[09:07] <xsacha> http://xfce-look.org/content/pre1/42755-1.jpg
[09:08] <seishinbyou> kunjan: Boy how times have changed, though (re: connection speed/rates).  It's depressing to think how expensive it used to be
[09:08] <xsacha> i've had same internet connection for 7 years.. 10mbit cable @ $60/month
[09:08] <kunjan> xsacha: pretty
[09:08] <xsacha> except now it's $54/month because 10% discount
[09:09] <seishinbyou> still, ouch
[09:09] <kunjan> seishinbyou: man i had a shell account, the isp's ran some unix (was too young to know what) and /etc/passwd was world readable
[09:09] <kunjan> there was not /etc/shadow
[09:09] <kunjan> no*
[09:09] <kunjan> you just had to buy an account once
[09:10] <xsacha> i remember being able to go to /etc/passwd on websites
[09:10] <kunjan> which was still too expensive!
[09:11] <seishinbyou> When I lived in Canada, there were pre-pay internet packages.  Pay $25 and you get 10 hours of dialup
[09:11] <seishinbyou> Now I laugh, though I am spoiled with cheap access here
[09:12] <kunjan> internet was soo expensive back then, that my dad would freak out every time i would check my email... yahoo had free pop mail at that time, so i wrote an app which would hide and check and download my pop email
[09:12] <xsacha> check this out: http://xfce-look.org/content/pre1/46153-1.jpg   beryl on XFCE
[09:12] <kunjan> everytime he connected
[09:12] <kunjan> xsacha: no videos of that?
[09:13] <flaccid> i have to go
[09:13] <flaccid> bbl
[09:13] <xsacha> no idea, probably on youtube
[09:13] <kunjan> later flaccid
[09:13] <xsacha> i remember when i first got the internet, my mother thought we had to pay dial fee every time i went to a different server
[09:13] <Ahmuck> is there an alarm clock in kubuntu that will go off at a set time, with a snooze and a cresendo alarm ?
[09:13] <xsacha> because she thought i was 'dialling' to a different server
[09:13] <Ahmuck> that will connect to a music stream and go
[09:14] <seishinbyou> My favourite line from tech support back at a Canadian ISP "Just because the service is 'unlimited' doesn't mean you can stay connected as long as you like"
[09:15] <seishinbyou> Funny, I thought you used the word "unlimited"
[09:15] <kunjan> Ahmuck: you could try amarok's scripts that would start playing your playlists
[09:15] <Jucato> seishinbyou: heheh
[09:15] <xsacha> seishinbyou: my ISP called 'unlimited', 10 GB download
[09:16] <xsacha> im on unlimited plan but i can only d/l 10 GB lol
[09:16] <seishinbyou> 10GB is so big it is practically unlimited
[09:16] <kunjan> my friends in india pay for 400 mb/month
[09:16] <kunjan> i m like, i use that in like 30 mins!
[09:16] <xsacha> me too
[09:16] <xsacha> good thing is i can d/l everything linux related off files.bigpond.com at 1MB/s and it doesnt count to download limit
[09:17] <seishinbyou> My parents still have a fairly slow connection; I usually download stuff for them here and mail them a DVD or 12 of what they wanted
[09:17] <seishinbyou> It usually was faster
[09:17] <xsacha> i got amd64 kubuntu edgy rc1 off there
[09:17] <DarthShrine> xsacha: 'Sif use BigPuddle.
[09:17] <kunjan> xsacha: so bigpond meters you by bandwidth?
[09:17] <xsacha> DarthShrine: optus doesnt go past my house
[09:18] <xsacha> kunjan: they apparently do, but i've d/led 100 GB in a month and havent been capped -- it says ont he website they 'may' cap you
[09:18] <xsacha> bigpond is only isp i can use here:(
[09:19] <Jucato_> ah my doppelganger has returned :)
[09:19] <realfolkblues> anyone home?
[09:20] <zorda> is there a ubunto chat?
[09:20] <realfolkblues> zorda: i would guess so but i dont know
[09:20] <Jucato> zorda: #ubuntu
[09:21] <xsacha> how come people think it's an 'o'? ubuntU
[09:21] <zorda> Jucato: thanks
[09:21] <realfolkblues> can anyone help me understand this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1465348#post1465348
[09:21] <Jucato> xsacha: because ubuntu sounds.. hm... strange? :)
[09:21] <xsacha> sounds like a cup of coffee to me
[09:21] <seishinbyou> Heh, over here, a lot of people still call it "UbOnto"
[09:21] <xsacha> now that's just weird
[09:21] <seishinbyou> I guess it does sound a bit more powerful and awe-inspiring
[09:21] <Jucato> some actually say "uh-bun-tuh"
[09:22] <seishinbyou> especially if you emphasize the O really loudly
[09:22] <bmo> you do realize there is a _video_ on your system that has people saying ubuntu correctly and one of them is nelson mandela, correct?
[09:22] <Jucato> or uh-bun-too
[09:22] <kunjan> allright guys i am out! its in the am here
[09:22] <zorda> bye Jucato
[09:22] <seishinbyou> This is the same office that is waiting for Vubuntu
[09:22] <Jucato> bye zorda
[09:22] <seishinbyou> sorry, VubOnto
[09:22] <xsacha> you-bun-too
[09:22] <Jucato> bmo: yeah.
[09:22] <Jucato> xsacha: no. oo-boon-too
[09:22] <seishinbyou> bye kunjan
[09:23] <kunjan> seishinbyou: later!
[09:24] <seishinbyou> bmo> I'm a bit late on replying, but very few in the office can understand any English
[09:24] <seishinbyou> It is just a pretty stream of sounds to them
[09:24] <Jucato> hehe
[09:24] <xsacha> amarok takes ages to generate playlist, argh
[09:25] <bmo> ah
[09:25] <bmo> heh
[09:25] <xsacha> Noatun it's likes 4 seconds
[09:25] <xsacha> Amarok going on a minute
[09:26] <Jucato> seishinbyou: I'd imagine Japanese wouldn't have problems pronouncing Ubuntu properly, though :)
[09:26] <seishinbyou> Oh, they wouldn't have a problem, if I bothered telling them how to pronounce it.  It is much more fun letting them guess
[09:27] <Jucato> lol
[09:27] <xsacha> amarok is still listing my tracks.. up to #516
[09:27] <seishinbyou> Only in a formal meeting am I expected to be super-1337-3ngrIsh interpreter
[09:28] <momal> How can i make everything on my kubuntu box use a proxy from the net?... including applications run from console... so everything that goes through my network card to the internet to put the proxy on?
[09:28] <xsacha> Tor? or go through router proxy
[09:30] <momal> well... I want to just make everything on my box use a proxy without having to set each applications(also some applications don't have the setting to use a proxy)
[09:30] <momal> the proxy setting under kde wont work for apps run via console
[09:30] <xsacha> yes
[09:31] <xsacha> Tor should do this? otherwise use proxy in your router
[09:31] <momal> Router doesn't support using a proxy.. but i'll try this "tor" you speak of :)
[09:31] <momal> !Tor
[09:31] <xsacha> ok
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Tor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <momal> !info tor
[09:32] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0.16-1ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 608 kB, installed size 1120 kB
[09:37] <seishinbyou> Golf insurance...great, just what I don't need
[09:37] <lainproliant> lol
[09:37] <seishinbyou> 1 million yen hole-in-one insurance...it's good to be safe
[09:38] <seishinbyou> That is never going to happen anyways
[09:38] <lainproliant> i had a question but i think i just figured it out
[09:38] <lainproliant> ^_^
[09:38] <seishinbyou> congratulations
[09:38] <lainproliant> i didn't know that you could specify a subscript to iwconfig <interface> key s:<key> [N] 
[09:38] <lainproliant> yay this is great
[09:38] <xsacha> does anyone know where the menu updater is? or what it is called? when i built kde from source i had it but i cant find it in kubuntu
[09:39] <lainproliant> i had thought that something went wrong in the ASCII/HEX conversion internally lol
[09:40] <birdfish> On a laptop with a single 80 gig harddrive, what would be the best way to partition the harddrive?
[09:41] <birdfish> Such that in the future I would be able to upgrade the operating system without running into troubles with having to small of a root partition and whatnot
[09:41] <seishinbyou> Do you want to install multiple OSs on it?
[09:41] <xsacha> i usually go half/half
[09:41] <xsacha> but i end up only using up 3GB of space LOL
[09:41] <birdfish> Nope.  But I've heard that installing on one partition is bad
[09:42] <xsacha> installing one partition with no free space is bad
[09:42] <birdfish> I was thinking something like / = 4 gigs
[09:42] <Jobberwacky> 6MB for root, swap depends on memory, rest for /home that's mine
[09:42] <Jobberwacky> * mean 6GB
[09:42] <birdfish> 6mb for root?
[09:42] <xsacha> installing just 1 partition is alright though, as long as it doesnt cover the entire 80 gb
[09:42] <birdfish> Oh
[09:42] <xsacha> and you'll want a second partition for swap on linux
[09:42] <birdfish> Jobberwacky: because I thought I read somewhere that ubuntu/kubuntu had an unregularly large kernel or something
[09:43] <Jobberwacky> birdfish, not that large
[09:43] <xsacha> 6GB root/1GB swap/33GB for you sound ok :) 6GB way too much for me though
[09:43] <birdfish> does having a smaller root partition make the system boot faster?
[09:43] <bmo> no
[09:44] <birdfish> Ah, it just allows you to rebuild the system without loosing data then?
[09:44] <xsacha> got 1.7MB bzImage here on kubuntu amd64 edgy rc1
[09:44] <birdfish> xsacha: 1.7 MB / image ?
[09:44] <xsacha> yes
[09:44] <lainproliant> hello again
[09:44] <seishinbyou> Oh, back for more?
[09:44] <lainproliant> hehe false alarm >_< not fixed
[09:44] <bmo> no, having a separate root partition from the /home partition allows you to change over the OS without nuking the /home partition
[09:44] <lainproliant> yeah
[09:45] <lainproliant> for some reason lately (has worked in the past) when i try to connect to some of my wireless networks using iwconfig and the ASCII key option it fails
[09:45] <bmo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[09:45] <bmo> /dev/hdb1              28G  6.9G   20G  27% /
[09:45] <birdfish> xsacha: Hm, so probably a root partition of around 2 or 3 gigs would be more than large enough to sustain multiple system upgrades throughout the course of time?
[09:45] <lainproliant> yet if i use the hex keys it connects perfectly
[09:45] <xsacha> yes
[09:45] <bmo> 6 gigs could be too small
[09:46] <birdfish> bmo: why?
[09:46] <bmo> see up
[09:46] <lainproliant> i wonder what i could have done lol
[09:46] <xsacha> 6 gigs for root? :O
[09:46] <bmo> at the /dev/hdb1
[09:46] <xsacha> bmo is that just your root? or you /home as well?
[09:46] <birdfish> bmo: hdb1 is your root partition then?
[09:46] <bmo> no, my /home is this:
[09:46] <bmo> dev/hda1             223G   82G  141G  37% /home
[09:46] <birdfish> Because I don't understand how someone can have a 1.7 MB root and another have a 6.9 GB root
[09:46] <Jucato> remember that APT downloads packages temporarily to /var
[09:47] <Jucato> on cannot have a 1.7mb root, afaik. unless it's something like Damn Small Linux
[09:47] <xsacha> birdfish: 1.7MB bzImage, my / is 1GB
[09:48] <bmo> a gigabyte of space is what, $.50 US?
[09:48] <xsacha> ./dev/hda1             40318700   4741152  35577548  12% /media/hda1  -- this is CRUX for /root, /home and everything else
[09:48] <birdfish> xsacha: ah, so what is the bzImage?  (I'm really new to linux and am just trying to find out enough for the time being to have a nice clean reliable system)
[09:48] <xsacha> the kernel birdfish
[09:48] <birdfish> Ah
[09:48] <bmo> xsacha, use df -h to get prettier statistics
[09:49] <xsacha> ./dev/hda1              39G  4.6G   34G  12% /media/hda1  dont like the KB? :P
[09:49] <xsacha> that's every single package + source required to make package and the byproducts in there (up to beryl)
[09:50] <xsacha> everything on it was compiled from source, so can't get much bigger than that unless i started installing stuff i didnt need
[09:50] <momal> xsacha: with tor I can set it to just goto a proxy I have set up then to where its meant to go right?
[09:50] <bmo> xsacha, I have a bunch of other stuff installed too.  I have unofficial repositories, etc
[09:50] <xsacha> if i delete the source that could get under a gig
[09:50] <birdfish> mind if I make up a quick partitioning scheme (pastbin it) and then give you guys the link to critique?
[09:51] <lainproliant> i think that i may have lost myself in key indexes
[09:51] <lainproliant> i am going to try a few things brb
[09:51] <xsacha> momal: i dont think you can set which proxies it goes to, it does it all automatically and uses its own proxies -- havent used it in a while though
[09:51] <momal> xsacha: ahh ok damn.. going to be no use to me :(
[09:51] <xsacha> :(
[09:51] <thomas_> argh, no matter what I do fglrxinfo always reports mesa3d! How do I get around this?? The binary howtos just aren't working
[09:52] <birdfish> Also, on a laptop with a gig of memory should I go with 2 gigs of swap or just 1?
[09:52] <xsacha> thomas_ when you run fglrx installer, what version of X does it say you have?
[09:53] <thomas_> fglrx installer?
[09:53] <xsacha> i had that problem and fixed it by --extract'ing it and then running ./ati-installer.sh x710 --install
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the command to list my running processes and sort them by memory use
[09:53] <lainproliant> foo :(
[09:53] <thomas_> ooh
[09:53] <xsacha> because it was detecting my X as 6.9
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> pstree -m or something like that
[09:53] <thomas_> ah, ok, lemme try that
[09:53] <lainproliant> Hi again :)
[09:54] <lainproliant> I have having  a peculiar and frustrating issue with my wireless network configuration
[09:54] <lainproliant> when i connect to a wireless network using iwconfig and the s: option for the WEP key to be specified as an ASCII string, connection fails
[09:54] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: Ctrl+Esc? :)
[09:55] <lainproliant> when i do not specify s: and enter the key as an ASCII numerical string, it works
[09:55] <lainproliant> HEX i mean sorries
[09:55] <lainproliant> it works if i specify the key as HEX but fails if i specify the key as ASCII
[09:55] <thomas_> xsacha: should I be worried about "find: install/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri: No such file or directory"?
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: hmm might have to do that
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i hate Fx's memory leak
[09:55] <xsacha> why is it using X11R6?
[09:56] <thomas_> not that I know of
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to kill it command like and hopefully it'll think it crased
[09:56] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: it's not a memory leak. it's a feature :P
[09:56] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: Ctrl+Alt+Esc then?
[09:56] <bmo> ok, drives are dirt cheap now.  seagate 200G drive: 50 bux at CompUSA.  5 of these and you have a cool terabyte for $250 US
[09:56] <xsacha> i made a symlink from /usr/X11R6 to /usr
[09:56] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i killed it
[09:57] <thomas_> xsacha: you mean /usr/lib, right?
[09:57] <birdfish> Okay, here is the link to my quickly drawn up partitioning scheme, http://pastebin.ca/216713
[09:58] <xsacha> no
[09:58] <lainproliant> is it possible that the ASCII/HEX conversion formula may be assuming the wrong WEP key length in bits?
[09:58] <thomas_> well, I installed it. gonna give'r a reboot. (also, I ran aticonfig --initial and aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv)
[09:58] <lainproliant> my network is now running WEP 128bit atm (until i learn to use wpa_supplicant)
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> my trick worked
[09:58] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hehehe
[09:59] <Jucato> 2GB swap?
[09:59] <birdfish> Jucato: well, I had heard that you should double the physical, but perhaps that has changed now?
[09:59] <xsacha> wow edgy comes with direct rendering: yes
[10:00] <xsacha> but: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[10:00] <Jucato> birdfish: you have 1GB RAM I presume?
[10:00] <birdfish> yep
[10:00] <bmo> it depends, jucato.  rule of thumb is 2x real memory, but I only have 1x real memory for 2gb swap and 2gb RAM, and sometimes I just turn off the swap
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i think 1. i don't get this beagle was running and taking up mad memory
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't even use beagle
[10:00] <bmo> beagle is ok once it quiets down, AC
[10:00] <Jucato> bmo, birdfish: yes it all depends if you can foresee using memory intensive operations like compiling, rendering, etc
[10:01] <Jucato> I have 1GB RAM, and 1GB Swap. my swap rarely gets used these days, though
[10:01] <bmo> at first Beagle goes insane trying to index everything.
[10:01] <bmo> but I've been running it for a month now, and it's quieted down much
[10:01] <birdfish> Jucato: perhaps, but only in the future.  For the time being, I mainly will be using the laptop to do my schoolwork on as well as remotely learn about and administer my server from home
[10:02] <Jucato> hm.... birdfish on second thought, since you have that much room to spare. it's OK I guess
[10:02] <momal> anyone know a way to can make ever program in kubuntu (includeing console programs) to use a specified proxy? (so all network traffic(to the internet) to be put through the proxy)
[10:02] <lainproliant> lol my wifi is annoying :(
[10:02] <thomas_> xsacha: nope, that didn't do it, it still report mesa :(
[10:03] <birdfish> Jucato: okay :)  And about leaving the spare room at the end of the harddrive.  Is that a plus or a negative?  I mean, what will I be able to do with it later on if I don't partition it now?
[10:03] <bh__> Is xserver-xgl worth running /
[10:03] <bh__> ?
[10:03] <lainproliant> i wonder if it is maybe a quirk with the ASCII key generators in my router lol
[10:03] <thomas_> also: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:03] <xsacha> some people said they needed to hard restart computer to fix that btw thomas
[10:03] <xsacha> ohhh xlib
[10:03] <thomas_> ..
[10:03] <thomas_> oh.
[10:03] <Jucato> birdfish: it's a plus for me. although I'd format it into a certain filesystem rather than leave it unpartition/unformatted
[10:04] <xsacha> you're missing fglrx DRI
[10:04] <thomas_> gasp
[10:04] <momal> bh__: if you need it for the use of it then it is.. but unless you want to run something like beryl(new compiz) then no real point
[10:04] <birdfish> Jucato: okay, and for wordprocessing and the like, ext3 format would probably be the best?
[10:04] <bmo> bh_ xservergl is cool, and so is beryl, but sometimes things just get in the way. heh.  you have to find out for yourself
[10:04] <Jucato> birdfish: well, ext3 is the default anyway. so it's good.
[10:05] <thomas_> xsacha: so, how does one fix that?
[10:05] <xsacha> do you have fglrx_dri.so?
[10:05] <birdfish> Jucato: is there anything else that I should check into though?  or should I just use that for now?
[10:05] <lainproliant> I search forums and such: all i find are instances where users cannot connect via their ASCII key or their HEX keys
[10:05] <thomas_> xsacha: locate fglrx_dri.so reports nothing
[10:05] <Jucato> birdfish: I'm no partitioning expert. but everything looks good if you're planning to run a simple Linux system
[10:05] <thomas_> shouldn't that come with the installer?
[10:05] <bh__> momal, certainly not something you'd run everyday right ?
[10:05] <xsacha> find /*|grep fglrx_dri.so
[10:06] <bh__> at least not yet, eh ?
[10:06] <lainproliant> i can connect with a HEX key
[10:06] <lainproliant> which is what is somewhat frustrating lol
[10:06] <birdfish> Jucato: awesome.  Thanks for everything dude, I really appreciate all the help! :D
[10:06] <thomas_> ah, indeed
[10:06] <Jucato> birdfish: good luck
[10:06] <thomas_> xsacha: indeed, there it is
[10:06] <momal> bh__: I run beryl... but im a sucker when it comes to eye candy.. but unless you want flipping desktops and wobbly windows you probly wouln't have much use for it
[10:06] <xsacha> where is it?
[10:07] <bh__> momal, is it faster than the normal desktop nvidia driver ?
[10:07] <thomas_> ~/ATI/fglrx-install/arch/x86/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri
[10:07] <xsacha> ok i believe it needs to be in /usr/lib/modules/dri/
[10:07] <momal> bh__: there is no difference between xgl and x unless your running something else to use it
[10:08] <thomas_> xsacha: you sur it's not supposed to be /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri?
[10:08] <xsacha> are you using xorg6?
[10:08] <thomas_> no, latest kubuntu edgy
[10:08] <xsacha> latest kubuntu edgy comes preinstalled with fglrx :S
[10:09] <thomas_> heh, didn't wokr
[10:09] <thomas_> work
[10:09] <xsacha> im on it now and havent installed anything yet, heh
[10:09] <bh__> yeah, the only thing that was a problem was the "mktemp" program needed to be reinstalled, but everything is better now
[10:09] <bh__> the upgrade was moderately difficult
[10:09] <thomas_> xsacha: well, when I installed, it definately detected my card, and decided to use te ati driver.
[10:09] <thomas_> yet it still reported mesa
[10:09] <xsacha> ati?
[10:10] <thomas_> driver "ati"
[10:10] <xsacha> oh, yeah
[10:10] <xsacha> mine too
[10:10] <thomas_> I'd like to use 3d extensions, and enjoy my tv-out
[10:10] <xsacha> it has 3d on ati driver, no?
[10:11] <xsacha> i have direct rendering: yes on it
[10:11] <thomas_> have you ran glxgears
[10:11] <thomas_> ?
[10:11] <xsacha> yes
[10:11] <thomas_> and it's bearable?
[10:11] <xsacha> very
[10:11] <seishinbyou> ...define "bearable"
[10:11] <xsacha> getting 14000 (per 5 seconds)
[10:11] <livingdaylight> is there a refresh command for kde?
[10:11] <thomas_> hm
[10:11] <thomas_> I'm running an x700 mobility in mylaptop
[10:11] <xsacha> radeon 9600 here
[10:12] <livingdaylight> hi momal
[10:12] <lainproliant> Okay
[10:12] <lainproliant> i have found some more information in context of my issue
[10:12] <livingdaylight> haro momal!
[10:12] <lainproliant> is it true that iwconfig expects only to work with 9 and 13 byte ASCII keys?
[10:12] <livingdaylight> anyone know what the command is for 'hello' in Japanese?
[10:13] <lainproliant> konichiwa?
[10:13] <seishinbyou> Well, that is "good afternoon"... what context is this "hello"?
[10:13] <Jucato> O_o
[10:13] <thomas_> brb
[10:13] <lainproliant> hehe ^_^
[10:13] <lainproliant> :( i wish my iwconfig wasn't acting up
[10:14] <seishinbyou> I see "hello" and "command" in the same request and wonder what the request is...
[10:14] <lainproliant> i know i can connect to my school's wireless network with an ASCII key but their key is exactly 13bytes
[10:14] <lainproliant> my key is some obscure number of bytes
[10:14] <lainproliant> not 13
[10:14] <lainproliant> nor 9
[10:14] <xsacha> my router only lets me do it exactly as well lain
[10:15] <xsacha> it wont let any number less or more
[10:15] <lainproliant> ah
[10:15] <lainproliant> so if i set an ASCII key of length 9 or 13 on my router and then connected with encryption s:"string" it would work?
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: ohio?
[10:15] <lainproliant> cool ^_^
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that's good morning
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm
[10:15] <lainproliant> i am happy now i am not going crazy lol
[10:16] <xsacha> if it lets you have less characters, it must be filling up the rest of the characters.. maybe 00s?
[10:16] <lainproliant> well, i will work with the hex key for what i need to do now
[10:16] <lainproliant> possibly
[10:16] <lainproliant> or nulls
[10:16] <lainproliant> yeah 0s are nulls lol
[10:16] <xsacha> lol
[10:16] <lainproliant> can you represent nulls in bash like you can in C code?
[10:16] <lainproliant> \0?
[10:16] <thomas_> till no worky :(
[10:16] <thomas_> still*
[10:16] <xsacha> hex key right? 00
[10:16] <lainproliant> no i was using an ASCII key
[10:17] <xsacha> oh :S
[10:17] <lainproliant> i can connect ( and am connected now ) to my wireles using the hex key
[10:17] <lainproliant> the problem arises when i try to connect using the same key in ASCII
[10:17] <lainproliant> there is something up with the conversion between ASCII and HEX or it could be that i can only use a certain number of ASCII characters in my generated key
[10:18] <xsacha> most likely the latter
[10:18] <lainproliant> ah okies
[10:18] <lainproliant> then what you said before still applies
[10:18] <lainproliant> ^_^
[10:18] <xsacha> yeah, nulls, hmm :P
[10:18] <lainproliant> lol
[10:18] <lainproliant> i think i know what is going on
[10:19] <lainproliant> the key i am using now is > 13 chars
[10:19] <xsacha> oh
[10:19] <lainproliant> it is probably going back to the beginning with the rest of the characters and redoing the cipher at those points with the remaining characters
[10:19] <lainproliant> (cyclical)
[10:19] <lainproliant> so yeah
[10:19] <lainproliant> i think i will just cut the key down to 13bytes
[10:19] <xsacha> get the source code, edit maximum char to whatever you need, recompile? ;)
[10:20] <lainproliant> works :P
[10:20] <seishinbyou> Oh dear, the .jp Ubuntu Linux site is a bit out of date/neglected... and the definition of "Ubuntu" is printed in English
[10:20] <xsacha> :P
[10:20] <lainproliant> or implement it to do what my wierdo Windoze stuff used to do
[10:20] <xsacha> so no japanese joining us any time soon?
[10:21] <lainproliant> lol aww
[10:21] <seishinbyou> Well, in many cases, JP managers don't want their employees using anything other than Windows
[10:21] <seishinbyou> For some silly reason
[10:21] <lainproliant> wow
[10:21] <lainproliant> that's insane
[10:22] <seishinbyou> No, having people work themselves to death is insan
[10:22] <seishinbyou> *insane
[10:22] <seishinbyou> I'm not being figurative, either
[10:22] <lainproliant> i am sorrie :(
[10:22] <lainproliant> did i say something wrong, seishinbyou?
[10:22] <seishinbyou> Bah, I'm ranting again, so I'll stop there.  Fortunately, those dark days are gone for me
[10:22] <lainproliant> oh
[10:22] <lainproliant> i see what you mean
[10:23] <xsacha> thomas_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Xgl.2FBeryl_.28ATI.29   -- in here it uses xgl/beryl with ati driver
[10:23] <lainproliant> Well, i am still in college
[10:23] <lainproliant> i have no idea what it is like in the true IT world
[10:24] <lainproliant> my history is just playing around with various programming languages and enviornments
[10:24] <seishinbyou> hehe, Well, I'd hardly consider some of the stronghand tactics leftover from the bubble economy "true IT world"
[10:24] <lainproliant> i am relatively new with Linux
[10:24] <lainproliant> lol
[10:24] <lainproliant> I Just want to get to coding as fast as i can lol :P
[10:24] <lainproliant> which makes me mad that KDevelop is acting up lol
[10:25] <lainproliant> i went in and changed its default script to force it to use the version of automake that i had installed (1.9) and it still fails
[10:25] <xsacha> lain: edit source of that wireless thing you're using to accept more than 13 chars ;)
[10:25] <lainproliant> then i revert back to 1.6 and the old script (which it wants) and it fails still, saying that it expects the version that is installed lol
[10:26] <xsacha> very safe connection considering everyone else can only use 13 ;)
[10:26] <lainproliant> hehe true
[10:26] <lainproliant> but could still be broken by packet monitors
[10:26] <lainproliant> WEP is dead
[10:26] <xsacha> my neighbour has no key or anything :) accidently connect to her comp all the time
[10:26] <lainproliant> i only use it because WPA/PSK > WEP > Nothing
[10:27] <seishinbyou> Most of the APs around my house and work (and the route there) are open anyways
[10:27] <lainproliant> I heard a story where Lowes department stores didn't use any encryption
[10:27] <xsacha> funny thing, not only does she have no key, she's got all her hard drives shared
[10:27] <lainproliant> and these wardriver guys would drive up to the side of the store and were able to access through the Lowes subnetwork the corporate records of all Lowes sales transactions
[10:27] <lainproliant> lol that's not smart
[10:27] <seishinbyou> xsacha: Excellent!  Everyone can join in on the party
[10:28] <xsacha> :)
[10:28] <lainproliant> lets all ssh over to xsacha
[10:28] <xsacha> hah i have port 22 open actually
[10:28] <lainproliant> and we can all download some random lady's files yay
[10:28] <lainproliant> find something incriminating :P
[10:28] <lainproliant> then report it to the police and call yourself a hero
[10:28] <xsacha> i already did lol
[10:28] <lainproliant> :P
[10:29] <xsacha> and i stole 3dsmax8 from her
[10:29] <lainproliant> lol
[10:29] <xsacha> it was pirated but, .. it was much faster from her comp than net
[10:29] <lainproliant> alritie bedtime
[10:29] <lainproliant> hehe
[10:29] <lainproliant> true
[10:29] <lainproliant> well, bedtime
[10:29] <xsacha> gnite
[10:29] <lainproliant> thanks for all of your help everyone :)
[10:30] <lainproliant> nice chatting with you and i will be back (not necessarily for problems lol)
[10:30] <seishinbyou> until next time
[10:30] <lainproliant> i just have to get up at 7:30 and it is now 4.29 lol
[10:30] <lainproliant> byebyes :)
[10:31] <thomas_> sweet zombie jesus I got it
[10:31] <thomas_> xsacha: thank you for your help
[10:32] <xsacha> :D
[10:32] <xsacha> what worked/
[10:33] <thomas_> well, not entirely sure. I did move the fglrx_dri.so to the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ dir, but I also threw in the disable composite in my xorg.conf file as wel
[10:33] <thomas_> I swear I did that before, however
[10:33] <thomas_> meh
[10:33] <xsacha> hmm mine doesnt run without composite enabled
[10:33] <thomas_> one day this will work outta the box.
[10:33] <visik7> how can I remove border of a window via dcop ?
[10:34] <thomas_> well you're on the ati driver, right?
[10:34] <thomas_> not fglrx
[10:34] <xsacha> i mean on fglrx... i havent got beryl on this one yet
[10:34] <thomas_> oh
[10:34] <xsacha> beryl would say composite had to be enabled
[10:34] <thomas_> I'm still stock over here. no beryl or xgl. Don't think I'm gonna go with either of those until they're a little more mature
[10:34] <Jucato> visik7: Alt+F3 -> Advanced Window Settings?
[10:34] <xsacha> when i enable composite i get this libGL warning, but it works anyway
[10:34] <visik7> Jucato: yes
[10:34] <visik7> Jucato: via dcop
[10:35] <Jucato> ah....
[10:35] <Jucato> :(
[10:35] <mchasart> hi
[10:35] <seishinbyou> xsacha: I get a warning all the time when running from anything from a terminal "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b"
[10:35] <mchasart> yesterday i tried the new kubutu 6.10 edgy
[10:35] <seishinbyou> Works fine, though
[10:35] <xsacha> yes exact same one i get
[10:35] <thomas_> mchasart: what'd you think? I'm on it right now
[10:35] <mchasart> but after the boot in live cd i don't have any internet connection
[10:36] <Jucato> visik7: try in #kde :)
[10:36] <thomas_> mchasart: did you edit your system settings for the correct default route and gateway?
[10:36] <mchasart> usually i had no troubles about it
[10:36] <xsacha> i started up this amd64 kubuntu edgy and i got: net, direct rendering and everything else just from install :)
[10:36] <mchasart> its dhcp auto for me
[10:36] <xsacha> but GRUB bootloader didnt work -- i installed lilo over it
[10:37] <magicmike> Hi. I'm trying to get my windowsxp hd to be recognized by the linux hd. The windows hd is slave and is fat32. I get response when trying to mount "
[10:37] <magicmike> Could not mount device.
[10:37] <magicmike> The reported error was:
[10:37] <magicmike> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[10:37] <magicmike> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:37] <mchasart> so strange cause eth0 was desactived when i saw
[10:37] <xsacha> mike is it fat32 or ntfs?
[10:37] <magicmike> fat32
[10:37] <xsacha> ok good
[10:37] <Jucato> !fat32
[10:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[10:37] <mchasart> and even i reactived it no way to get some connection
[10:37] <Jucato> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[10:37] <thomas_> sweet zombie jebus. Yes! it totally works
[10:37] <xsacha> and your /etc/fstab file.. nevermind, read that link
[10:38] <thomas_> now, for the wifi
[10:38] <mchasart> what do you think about fluxbuntu or xubuntu project ?
[10:38] <xsacha> wifi drivers give me nightmares -- i have to use windows ones
[10:38] <Jucato> xsacha: no go ahead. your instructions might be easier
[10:38] <thomas_> Even worse: i'm on an acer laptop
[10:38] <seishinbyou> I have Xubuntu installed at home
[10:38] <thomas_> it's a software enabled wifi device
[10:38] <xsacha> XFCE + beryl looks sweet and works well on old machine :D
[10:39] <seishinbyou> It runs well, I guess.  My home PC is an ancient relic, though
[10:39] <thomas_> thus, I must install acer_acpi AND acer_hk and THEN the wifi drivers
[10:39] <Jucato> Xubuntu and Fluxbuntu are good alternatives. that's all I can say :)
[10:39] <mchasart> ok and xubuntu dont follow for 6.10 edgy ?
[10:39] <mchasart> yes i tried fluxbuntu its very light for small config
[10:39] <thomas_> what's the big difference between beryl and xgl? Why is beryl so hot right now?
[10:39] <xsacha> my livecd uses flux
[10:39] <serishema> hey, my laptop battery meter has disappeared in kde and i can't get it back
[10:39] <serishema> any ideas?
[10:39] <mchasart> your livecd ...? you remasterd an ubuntu livecd ?
[10:40] <xsacha> beryl is improved (forked) version of compiz... it's a manager
[10:40] <thomas_> as a user, will I notice the difference?
[10:40] <mchasart> or is it fluxbuntu the other project independant apparently
[10:40] <xsacha> big difference thomas_ :P
[10:40] <thomas_> Weren't xgl and compiz both alpha-ish software anyways?
[10:40] <xsacha> yeah
[10:41] <xsacha> you have xgl+compiz and xgl+beryl, (or alternatives to xgl) they do not replace xgl
[10:41] <xsacha> beryl / compiz manage it.. and emerald does themes
[10:41] <thomas_> IIRC, xgl/compiz didn't do tv-out. does beryl?
[10:42] <xsacha> i think that's an issue with xgl? if you use aiglx it should be fine?
[10:43] <xsacha> you can use aiglx or nvidia drivers to replace xgl
[10:43] <xsacha> lucky people with nvidia cards, eh?
[10:43] <munuel> hi
[10:43] <thomas_> no kidding
[10:43] <xsacha> nvidia drivers have it built in
[10:43] <thomas_> I wish ati didn't rule the laptop video market
[10:43] <livingdaylight> anyone know about Kover?
[10:44] <livingdaylight> application to create cd labels
[10:44] <xsacha> im never buying an ati video card again, but right now all my videocards are ati
[10:44] <mchasart> so no way for my connection troubles
[10:44] <livingdaylight> trying to add Kover to my list so when i put a cd in , i have the option of opening the cd with kover rather than kaffeine etc
[10:44] <birdfish> Hey guys, I'm back and on the newly installed machine :D
[10:44] <livingdaylight> seems i should be able to open the cd album with kover after which it will detect the album artist and name to create teh cover
[10:44] <livingdaylight> but can't add kover to my menu list of applications to open a cd
[10:45] <thomas_> mchasart: all I got for you is to make sure your routes and gateways and dns are set up just find
[10:45] <thomas_> fine*
[10:45] <birdfish> Just one more question (that has always bothered me about partitioning).  Since I created only 3 partitions (/, swap, /home), all of the programs and whatnot will be installed under /home, correct?  Or will they be installed under /?
[10:45] <mchasart> hum ok
[10:45] <Jucato> birdfish: /
[10:45] <birdfish> Hm, damn
[10:45] <Jucato> birdfish: unless you compile the app and give instructions to install in /home
[10:45] <birdfish> Should have asked that earlier, I guess
[10:46] <Jucato> birdfish: don't worry, 6GB will still be enough
[10:46] <Jucato> :)
[10:46] <birdfish> :D
[10:46] <seishinbyou> Yeah, it's not like it's Vista or something
[10:46] <birdfish> =)
[10:46] <birdfish> Vista is ridiculous
[10:46] <Jucato> I had 10GB setup for / and I ended up actually "reclaiming" 5GB for my /home
[10:46] <seishinbyou> I installed Vista as a VMWare image... yeah... :/
[10:47] <Jucato> and I had over 1100 packages (apps and libraries) already installed
[10:47] <xsacha> me too jucato except 8GB and 4GB
[10:47] <birdfish> Jucato: holy shit dude!
[10:47] <birdfish> LOL
[10:47] <xsacha> yep.. i had easily over 1000 packages
[10:47] <xsacha> there's 200 just in xorg remember
[10:47] <alexicon> anyone know much about fsck?
[10:47] <Jucato> xsacha: I meant, I was running out of space in my /home, so I took 5GB out of the 10GB I setup for /
[10:47] <seishinbyou> Collect them all!
[10:47] <xsacha> oh k
[10:47] <seishinbyou> fscking fsck is not my friend
[10:48] <Jucato> lol
[10:48] <alexicon> i just installed kubuntu but it brings up fsck on boot
[10:48] <Jucato> birdfish: that's not much. the default Kubuntu install has around 900+ packages :)
[10:48] <seishinbyou> It does ever 30 mounts by default
[10:48] <alexicon> wont properly start up, nor will my other distro on teh drive :(
[10:48] <xsacha> seishin, just edit fstab?
[10:48] <Jucato> oh did I say 1100+? I meant 1200+ sorry
[10:48] <alexicon> my other distro claims /proc is still mounted on boot too
[10:48] <birdfish> regarding graphic drivers.  for the ati cards, is xorg-driver-fglrx the best driver?
[10:48] <Jucato> forgot I had gnome installed too :P
[10:49] <xsacha> birdfish, depends if you want propietry or open source... fglrx is ATI's propietry driver (official)
[10:50] <birdfish> xsacha: I want which ever driver will display information the fastest and smoothest
[10:50] <xsacha> fglrx is apparently fastest
[10:50] <birdfish> okay
[10:50] <Jucato> birdfish: the proprietary driver is the only driver that can give you 3d acceleration
[10:50] <xsacha> not true, i have 3d acceleration on open source just fine
[10:50] <Jucato> really?
[10:50] <xsacha> yep
[10:51] <Jucato> hm....
[10:51] <birdfish> I'm just interested in the system running smoothly
[10:51] <rag_> rag: hola
[10:51] <xsacha> and also aiglx
[10:51] <Jucato> hmm......
[10:51] <xsacha> ati open source drivers can even run beryl
[10:51] <birdfish> BTW, regarding a stable system, how is 6.10?
[10:51] <birdfish> xsacha: I saw you mention beryl earlier.  What is it?
[10:52] <xsacha> you want webpage link or video link?
[10:52] <birdfish> webpage for now.  I'm updating the system on a slow college network
[10:52] <xsacha> k
[10:53] <xsacha> sudo apt-get update
[10:53] <xsacha> http://www.beryl-project.org/
[10:53] <bmo> omgwtfbbq.  I wish I had thought of this: an $836 dollar CD made of glass that appeals to the nutjob audiophiles.
[10:53] <birdfish> Thanks, I'll check it out
[10:53] <bmo> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35267
[10:53] <bmo> fools and money.
[10:55] <thomas_> what's the best wifi manager for kubuntu?
[10:55] <birdfish> by combined window manager, do they mean another replacement for kde and gnome?  Or does it sit on top of kde/gnome?
[10:55] <Jucato> birdfish: sits on top
[10:55] <serishema> thomas_: i use knetworkmanager
[10:55] <alexicon> kwifimanager thomas_
[10:55] <alexicon> kwifi has configuration tools in it
[10:56] <alexicon> knetwork uses kcontrol confs
[10:56] <thomas_> hm, not "wlassistant"?
[10:56] <birdfish> Is xserver-xgl faster than xserver-xorg?
[10:57] <alexicon> xgl is an extension
[10:57] <alexicon> adds lots of eye candy goodies
[10:57] <alexicon> like true transparency..
[10:57] <birdfish> heh, so it would slow the system down actually :P
[10:57] <alexicon> if you didnt have suffcient graphics resources yeah probably
[10:58] <alexicon> i have it on suse and it runs really well
[10:58] <alexicon> but i also have a 256mb gfx card
[10:58] <alexicon> :P
[10:58] <birdfish> I'll install all of those goodies on the screamin desktop at home sometime
[10:58] <alexicon> yeah
[10:59] <xsacha> how do i remove packages (that i got from updating) -- not installed ones
[10:59] <thomas_> alexicon: hm, I've installed kwifimgr, and I've assoc with an AP, but no IP. wtf?
[11:00] <alexicon> hrm
[11:00] <wily> hi guys
[11:00] <alexicon> you on dhcp?
[11:00] <wily> i've a problem running kismet
[11:00] <alexicon> whats your iwconfig say
[11:00] <wily> there is anyone that can help me?
[11:00] <thomas_> reports the correct essid, but no ip6 or ip4 address
[11:00] <alexicon> what is your question wily
[11:01] <alexicon> hrm
[11:01] <alexicon> dhcp thomas_?
[11:01] <wily> now i send link when i paste errors
[11:01] <alexicon> k
[11:01] <koli> hello
[11:01] <thomas_> alexicon: yeah, but where in kwifi do I set that up? Or do I have to use teh system control panel as well
[11:02] <wily> Failed to set up UI server: TcpServer bind() failed: Address already in use
[11:02] <koli> how do i update kubuntu
[11:02] <wily> alexicon:  this is error
[11:02] <thomas_> alexicon: Uh, I guess I just had to wait...? It just got an ip
[11:02] <thomas_> how weird
[11:02] <alexicon> koli theres the update-manager or adept can fetch updates
[11:02] <alexicon> heh ok thomas_
[11:03] <thomas_> alexicon: but no essid reported in kwifi...
[11:03] <thomas_> gruh..
[11:03] <koli> ok but how do i install the package managment like synaptic
[11:03] <alexicon> adept is what kubuntu uses
[11:03] <xsacha> adept you want, it comes with kubuntu
[11:03] <alexicon> you can search for synaptic in adept if you want
[11:04] <alexicon> or apt-cache search synaptic
[11:04] <xsacha> synaptic is pretty much identical lol
[11:04] <alexicon> apt-get synaptic
[11:04] <alexicon> i like adept more really
[11:04] <alexicon> find the organisation better
[11:04] <koli> how do i open adept
[11:04] <koli> it is not in the menu
[11:04] <alexicon> from the menu
[11:04] <alexicon> system
[11:04] <xsacha> System->Adept
[11:04] <alexicon> or just run it from commandline
[11:04] <alexicon> or Run app
[11:04] <alexicon> F2
[11:05] <rag> how to install a network manager, do you know?
[11:05] <alexicon> rag in adept
[11:05] <rag> alexicon: yeah?
[11:05] <alexicon> search for network manager
[11:05] <xsacha> ok i added this repository to my source list, right.. and then updates but i just realised it was 32-bit, so i changed source list to 64-bit rep and then updated -- how do i remove the 32-bit now?
[11:05] <alexicon> you used adept rag?
[11:06] <alexicon> did you remove the repository xsacha
[11:06] <rag> alexicon: synaptic o kpackage
[11:06] <xsacha> yes
[11:06] <xsacha> i removed it from list, is that enough?
[11:06] <alexicon> then update again should force it out
[11:06] <alexicon> adept is just like synaptic
[11:06] <xsacha> i dont think it forced it out :S
[11:06] <alexicon> which ever you prefer to use..
[11:06] <rag> alexicon: i need a good wireless manager
[11:06] <alexicon> rag try kwifimanager if you want more contorl..
[11:07] <alexicon> otherwise you should already have knetworkmanager
[11:07] <rag> alexicon, ok yeah i need give a solution for my customer
[11:07] <xsacha> so if i try to install stuff now, it's not possible for me to accidently install 32-bit version?
[11:08] <alexicon> xsacha: look at the package details
[11:08] <alexicon> it should verify which source it is :)
[11:08] <xsacha> in commandline, what's the command?
[11:08] <xsacha> or should i open adept and look?
[11:08] <alexicon> oh you using apt?
[11:08] <alexicon> hrm
[11:08] <xsacha> yes
[11:08] <alexicon> yeah i dunno in apt
[11:08] <wily> i need help
[11:08] <xsacha> im not used to package managers :S
[11:09] <wily> alexicon: do u read my report
[11:09] <wily> ?
[11:09] <rag> alexicon: thx!
[11:09] <wily> Failed to set up UI server: TcpServer bind() failed: Address already in use
[11:09] <xsacha> my main distro is CRUX, got no package manager
[11:09] <alexicon> what are you doing wily
[11:09] <xsacha> ok im looking at package in adept and i have no idea if it's 64-bit or not from those details :S
[11:09] <alexicon> whats that error from
[11:09] <wily> launching kismet
[11:10] <alexicon> heh it should say somewhere which repository it comes from xsacha
[11:10] <alexicon> id tell you where to look but im in suse atm :P
[11:10] <alexicon> because my desktop with kubuntu needs an fsck >_<
[11:10] <alexicon> makes me nervous...
[11:10] <alexicon> i will cry if i lose that disk
[11:10] <rag> alexicon, by the way do you know how to activate wifi on boot, this card not start on laptop and my customer to press Fn key
[11:11] <rag> alexicon, you know please say me
[11:11] <alexicon> dunno rag.. what kinda laptop is it
[11:11] <rag> alexicon, airis...
[11:11] <xsacha> rag: there should be a modules.rc or some file that runs start up programs
[11:11] <xsacha> in /etc
[11:12] <xsacha> pp[s init.rc or something
[11:12] <rag> alexicon, where
[11:12] <alexicon> never heard of it rag
[11:12] <xsacha> look in /etc/init.d
[11:12] <rag> alexicon, ok thx
[11:13] <xsacha> this structure is different to what im used to
[11:16] <thomas__> thanks, everyone for your help.
[11:18] <close2_> hello, I have upgraded to edgy.  I use aptitude, and when I want to make a dist-upgrade, aptitude wants to remove kde-toys, kdegames,...;    Is there a meta-package to install all kde-packages?
[11:18] <close2_> kubuntu-desktop is not enough
[11:19] <birdfish> xsacha: one more quick question.  I think my graphics card (ati mobility x1400) might be unsupported by the open source driver.  know of a place where I could check a list of supported chipsets?
[11:19] <xsacha> i've seen the list before, just wait
[11:20] <vge> what was the command for dhcp renew?
[11:21] <xsacha> gtg sorry birdfish, can find it on google im sure though, brb
[11:21] <birdfish> xsacha: no problem dude.  Thanks for all your help anyways :D
[11:22] <gnomefreak> !hardware | birdfish
[11:22] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[11:22] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ">" ??
[11:22] <gnomefreak> ok hold that thought ill get the link
[11:22] <gnomefreak> ubotu is gone
[11:23] <Jucato> ooh
[11:23] <Jucato> that's bad
[11:23] <birdfish> gnomefreak: what's up dude?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> birdfish: heres the list you wanted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[11:24] <alexicon> dhcpcd -n
[11:24] <birdfish> gnomefreak: ah, thanks a tone bud :D
[11:24] <livingdaylight> http://freedb.freedb.org is this the right server for CDDB?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Jucato: | nick would output in channel nick factoid
[11:25] <Jucato> gnomefreak: aah. that's new :)
[11:25] <Jucato> for me
[11:25] <gnomefreak> fairly new yes
[11:25] <birdfish> bummer, not supported.  Guess I'll just use the proprietary driver until it is eventually :)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i found out a few days ago
[11:26] <vge> how do i make sure my eth0 works as supposed?
[11:26] <alexicon> ifconfig
[11:26] <vge> cant get ip from dhcp server :/
[11:26] <alexicon> see if the config is right and that its UP
[11:26] <close2_> try setting it manually
[11:26] <alexicon> can you ping the router?
[11:26] <alexicon> any entries in 'route'
[11:27] <vge> sec
[11:27] <close2_> if you have a router try: 192.168.1.42 oder 192.168.0.42 and try to ping something (xxx.1 oder xxx.254)  not bulletproof though
[11:28] <close2_> i.e.: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.42
[11:32] <birdfish> man df
[11:32] <birdfish> * oops
[11:33] <Jucato> birdfish: you might be interested in "man:/df" in Konqueror
[11:33] <vge> "network is unreachable"?
[11:34] <close2_> what did you try?
[11:34] <birdfish> Jucato: =D
[11:34] <birdfish> Wow, I didn't know about that trick
[11:34] <birdfish> Very slick
[11:34] <vge> i tryed to ping my router ip
[11:35] <close2_> did you set an ip with ifconfig?
[11:35] <vge> only ip and mask
[11:35] <Jucato> birdfish: some other tricks you might want to see are apt:/ and help:/
[11:36] <close2_> what's the ip of your router?
[11:36] <xsacha> hey im back
[11:37] <xsacha> in adept it has this package in universe/x11 but i want the same package from a different repository -- how do i do this?
[11:37] <vge>  84.248.92.140
[11:37] <Jucato> xsacha: what do you mean?
[11:38] <xsacha> like there is this package in universe, but i want one from a different repository, one i added to source list
[11:38] <xsacha> it's not appearing because it's in the main (uiniverse) one i think
[11:38] <Jucato> aah.
[11:38] <Jucato> hm...
[11:38] <close2_> 84.xxx seems to be a "real" address (let me verify this)
[11:38] <vge> it is
[11:38] <xsacha> whats the local address of your router?
[11:38] <xsacha> eg. 192.168.0.1
[11:39] <close2_> because, if you are behind a router, you shouldn't use / see this address
[11:40] <some0ne> !flash9
[11:40] <close2_> unless you have multiple public IP addresses
[11:40] <some0ne> !Flash9
[11:40] <some0ne> !flash
[11:40] <some0ne> Damn. :-\
[11:40] <Jucato> some0ne: the bots just came back. give them some time :)
[11:40] <xsacha> they take a while to search...
[11:40] <close2_> what kind of line do you have?  adsl?  is this a router in a company, university...?
[11:40] <vge> lol, i feel stupid now, how i know my router ip?
[11:41] <vge> close2_: own adsl, im behind a nat
[11:41] <xsacha> jucato, know how to do that? get a package in main from a different repository?
[11:41] <Jucato> xsacha: I presume you Fetched Updates already?
[11:41] <close2_> usually those nat-boxes use one of the following IPs
[11:41] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[11:41] <xsacha> yes
[11:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:41] <close2_> 192.168.0.x  192.168.1.x or 10.0.0.x   where x stands for 1 or 254
[11:42] <Jucato> hm...
[11:42] <Jucato> I know there's a specific "switch"/option in apt-get, I'm just not sure what
[11:42] <close2_> your router is what brand?
[11:42] <xsacha> how about via adept?
[11:42] <vge> cool, ya, now that you said it it's 10.0.0.1 :P
[11:42] <xsacha> :)
[11:42] <Jucato> xsacha: it lists the package only once?
[11:43] <xsacha> yes
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> does akregrator not support .jpg?
[11:43] <close2_> ok, that would mean, that you should get something like 10.x.x.x
[11:43] <close2_> try to set it:   ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.42
[11:43] <close2_> then try to ping 10.0.0.1
[11:43] <Jucato> I'm thinking that it only displays the newest package... you might have to disable the ubuntu repos. but it's not advisable to install an app from a different repo when the app already exists in ubuntu
[11:43] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: displaying .jpg? it does, afaik
[11:44] <vge> close2_: not reachable
[11:44] <some0ne> I'm using the AMD64 arch who wants to help me get Flash 9 going?
[11:44] <xsacha> well there's no way the ubuntu one could be newer, .. the ubuntu one has its name attached though (-ubuntu2)
[11:44] <close2_> are the lights of your network card on and flashing?
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> there are feeds with jpgs that won't let me display
[11:45] <Jucato> xsacha: well, generally it's really not a good idea to mix repos...
[11:45] <vge> nope, but my hub says "it's connected" physically
[11:45] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: in the preview or in a full tab?
[11:45] <xsacha> thats why i want all from this one repo
[11:45] <close2_> that's googd enough
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> some0ne: check out this page http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/whats_so_difficult_64bit_editi.html
[11:45] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: preview haven't checked tab
[11:45] <Jucato> xsacha: but that would still affect the dependencies on your system, specially with libraries
[11:46] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sometimes it also takes time for the image to load. but shouldn't take long though...
[11:46] <close2_> show me the second line of "ifconfig eth0"
[11:46] <vge> close2_: as this card is just plugged in and was not present when installing, could that matter?
[11:46] <close2_> no
[11:46] <xsacha> but some of the packages are not in ubuntu main and i have all the right dependancies right now.. so i'll be mixing if i let ubuntus repos give it to me
[11:46] <close2_> if ifconfig found it, no
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: 404, probably had the place holder and name of the image, but it got taken of the page so akregator kept the entry
[11:47] <close2_> but then /etc/init.d/netwo* restart
[11:47] <Jucato> Ademan: ah
[11:47] <close2_> could to the trick
[11:47] <some0ne> Damn adobe.
[11:48] <xsacha> oh well i will just mix n match with ubuntus then :(
[11:48] <close2_> BTW:  the meta-package is (surprise surprise) kde :)
[11:48] <vge> close2_:  inet addr:10.0.0.50 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0
[11:49] <close2_> did you choose 10.0.0.50?
[11:49] <vge> yup
[11:49] <close2_> ack
[11:49] <close2_> ok, try:    /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> bed
[11:49] <seletz> Moin guys.
[11:49] <vge> close2_: no errors, no luck
[11:49] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: oh I see. that explains it :)
[11:50] <some0ne> !xen
[11:50] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[11:50] <close2_> and the second line of "ifconfig eth0" ?
[11:50] <vge> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU: 1500 Metric:1
[11:51] <close2_> pgrep dhclient
[11:51] <close2_> gives what?
[11:52] <vge> 4944
[11:52] <close2_> ok, iconfig eth1  exists?
[11:52] <vge> no
[11:52] <xsacha> he means ifconfig i think
[11:53] <vge> only eth0 and lo present
[11:53] <xsacha> inet addr:192.168.0.102  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0  -- this is mine :D
[11:53] <vge> that dont help im afraid ;)
[11:54] <close2_> lspci | grep -i eth
[11:54] <close2_> (let's start from the beginning)
[11:55] <vge> Ethernet controller: Realtec Semicpnductor
[11:55] <vge> -typos
[11:55] <close2_> std controller
[11:56] <vge> ?
[11:56] <close2_> so the driver shouldn't be a problem at all
[11:56] <vge> ya, this is giving me the creeps
[11:57] <birdfish> vge: why?
[11:57] <vge> well, i want it into net :)
[11:57] <birdfish> =)
[11:57] <KiLlEr> buongiorno raga
[11:57] <close2_> I would try to download a small rescue system (r.i.p has small cds) and try there again
[11:57] <KiLlEr> scusate mi serve un aiuto per kubuntu
[11:57] <birdfish> close2_: he isn't trying to NAT is he?
[11:58] <close2_> if it doesn't work there I would say, that either your cables or your card are broken
[11:58] <birdfish> I don't think I've ever seen a home router set up with 10xxx before
[11:58] <close2_> if I understood correctly he is behind a NAT
[11:58] <vge> yup
[11:58] <close2_> I have
[11:58] <vge> and you can ask me too ;)
[11:58] <close2_> not very often though
[11:58] <birdfish> vge: i wasn't sure you knew what nating was ;)
[11:58] <xsacha> gah i dont think updating from repositories is working.. i dont get it
[11:59] <xsacha> Get:8 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages [7494B]   -- i get this just after i added and do update
[11:59] <vge> birdfish: dont worry, im IT engineer :D
[11:59] <xsacha> but nothing else related to it, just that
[11:59] <birdfish> vge: =D I'm a freshman on the road to computer engineer (we should talk sometime)
[11:59] <close2_> dhcp is something, which should work out of the box.  And your card is really well supported. --> try another OS and if that one fails too, replace cable, network card...
[12:00] <xsacha> yeah dhcp is great, i just type in dhcpcd and wow, it's working :)
[12:00] <birdfish> xsacha: heh (took me more than that, but I'm glad it all worked for you)
[12:00] <close2_> because at the moment I really don't have any other ideas...
[12:00] <xsacha> but can someone tell me why this repository isnt updating properly?
[12:01] <birdfish> xsacha: on my server, I use the dhcp server that comes with dnsmasq since I utilize the dns masqing capabilities anyways
[12:01] <close2_> (and I had to replace 5 realtek cards in the last 7 years...)
[12:01] <vge> birdfish: well i donno, is bachelor of IT something more than engineer, i have english namings :-)
[12:01] <xsacha> i added the url to source list, then i did apt-get update, i get this line: Get:8 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages [7494B]    --but i never get the package out of it listed
[12:02] <birdfish> vge: no.  your next step would be your masters (and that's where the real fun starts)
[12:02] <close2_> bachelor is +2?  master == engineer +5?
[12:02] <close2_> master == engineer == +5?
[12:02] <birdfish> yes
[12:02] <vge> close2_: in finland bachelor is seperated degree for 4 years, masters is 6
[12:03] <xsacha> oh, i get this line above it, btw: Ign http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages
[12:03] <close2_> they should really stop giving names to degres and just say +x
[12:04] <close2_> +e
[12:04] <xsacha> anyone know how apt works? please?
[12:04] <xsacha> or adept, it's same thing
[12:04] <close2_> or aptitude
[12:04] <close2_> what do you want to know?
[12:04] <Jucato> xsacha: Here's a situation you might want to avoid in mixing repos to get the latest apps
[12:04] <xsacha> when i add source to list i get this: Get:8 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main-amd64 Packages [7494B]  but the sources do not become available
[12:05] <xsacha> i havent mixed anything yet jucato :)
[12:05] <birdfish> xsacha: hold on.  I think there is a way to specify which repos to download from (if I remember correctly)
[12:05] <xsacha> ok, i need that :D
[12:06] <Jucato> xsacha: Package A1.0 depends on Lib1.0. you install Package A1.5 from a different repo, which will update Lib1.0 to Lib1.5. Now let's say you need to install Package B, which incidentally depends also on Lib1.0. you won't be able to install it because Lib1.5 is installed.
[12:06] <Jucato> xsacha: just an FYI :)
[12:07] <xsacha> yeah, that's why i want all these packages from same repo.. and im asking how to do this :S
[12:07] <xsacha> for some reason the files from the repo arent becoming available
[12:07] <birdfish> Jucato: can you have both 1.0 and 1.5 installed?
[12:07] <xsacha> no
[12:08] <Jucato> xsacha: you won't be able to have *all* packages from the same repo, unless that other repo has *everything* that Ubuntu has, down to the last lib.
[12:08] <xsacha> unless you keep them in different directories..
[12:08] <Jucato> you won't know if a lib from your new repo is not needed by something from Ubuntu
[12:08] <xsacha> but the binaries, one comes first, i think if you set path right?
[12:09] <xsacha> Jucato: this repo has stuff that ubuntu doesnt, i need everything from this one repo or it wont work (dependancies are the latest latest -- not released)
[12:09] <birdfish> xsacha: sorry man, I must have been thinking about something else.  I don't see any options to specify a certain repo
[12:09] <xsacha> :(
[12:10] <xsacha> but for some reason when i add the source to list and update i am not getting its packages
[12:10] <xsacha> this should give me beryl: deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ edgy main-amd64   but after i update and try to download beryl: E: Couldn't find package beryl
[12:11] <birdfish> Back later fellas.  Time to update some more and then prepare for class
[12:11] <xsacha> k
[12:13] <Jucato> xsacha: I'm presuming you're running edgy right?
[12:14] <xsacha> yes
[12:14] <Jucato> hm...
[12:14] <xsacha> yeah i just changed 'dapper's to 'edgy's :)
[12:14] <Jucato> xsacha: but you've dist-upgraded already, right?
[12:14] <xsacha> yes
[12:15] <xsacha> before i added the sources, should i do it after sources?
[12:15] <Jucato> hmm... what's the name of the package you're trying to install?
[12:15] <xsacha> a few, but basically beryl
[12:15] <xsacha> http://compiz-mirror.lupine.me.uk/
[12:15] <xsacha> these
[12:16] <Jucato> ok, try "apt-cache madison beryl" and see if there's a line there that corresponds to the repository you added
[12:16] <xsacha> should i get the source?
[12:16] <Jucato> no
[12:16] <xsacha> deb-src or deb?
[12:16] <xsacha> k
[12:16] <Jucato> er depends on what you're trying to do
[12:17] <Jucato> if just plain installing, deb would be ok
[12:17] <xsacha> thought less likely to get dependancy problems if i compile myself
[12:17] <Jucato> well, actually you'd still have to download the dependencies :)
[12:17] <xsacha> thats not what i mean :P i mean version problems
[12:18] <Jucato> oh xsacha can you just pastebin your sources.list?
[12:19] <xsacha> link to a paste site?
[12:19] <Jucato> !pastebin
[12:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:20] <xsacha> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27949/
[12:20] <ray_52> Question?  I cannot get sound while using flash, eg youtube is a good example, how do I solve this?
[12:21] <Jucato> xsacha: instructions say "Then, insert one of these lines ..."
[12:21] <Jucato> you put all of them :)
[12:22] <xsacha> oh
[12:22] <Jucato> xsacha: try using them one by one to see which mirror/repo works
[12:22] <xsacha> :)
[12:22] <xsacha> i wanted to see if any packages came up
[12:23] <xsacha> ill try beerorkid
[12:23] <xsacha> ok it's working, it downloaded 14 packages
[12:23] <Jucato> :P
[12:24] <Jucato> who would have known :)
[12:24] <xsacha> now i just have to find which one has beryl in it
[12:24] <xsacha> (of the 4)
[12:24] <Jucato> err.. they all would have
[12:24] <xsacha> yep it's in there :D
[12:24] <Jucato> they're mirrors, not parts
[12:25] <xsacha> oh i thought they all had different packages, ok
[12:25] <some0ne> How can I upgrade from Dapper to Edgy without installing the system from scratch?
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> Hai, guys :)
[12:29] <Jucato> hi |lostbyte|
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, hi :)
[12:30] <jende_> Jucato: Howdy!
[12:30] <Jucato> jende_: hi! :)
[12:30] <jende_> Jucato: how are ya?Still fightin the cold?
[12:30] <xsacha> Jucato: Hi!  :P installing, brb
[12:30] <Jucato> jende_: no. just coughs this time around :)
[12:31] <jende_> Jucato: ah well, hopefully that'll be gone soon
[12:31] <Jucato> yeah :)
[12:33] <jende_> Jucato: so, what are you up to?
[12:34] <Jucato> er.. hm... nothing really... come to think of it lol
[12:34] <jende_> Jucato: nothing like ...errr... nothing?
[12:35] <Jucato> just lounging around I guess
[12:35] <Jucato> well I was fixing up my bookmarks a while ago
[12:35] <Jucato> preparing to back it up so that I could move back to my Linux pc tomorrow (yay!)
[12:35] <xsacha> what does setting what boot manager you use in the login manager do?
[12:35] <shahn> is there a way of getting tiled workspaces (like in ion3) in KDE?
[12:36] <Jucato> xsacha: I think it gives you an option to restart to a specific entry in your GRUB/LILO menu
[12:36] <xsacha> oh ok, does it know my lilo is on another hard drive? :S
[12:36] <xsacha> i mean partition*
[12:36] <Jucato> xsacha: that's the problem. haven't made it work. so I can't verify
[12:37] <xsacha> ok
[12:39] <xsacha> hmm where do i add a session? im in login manager and cant see anything about adding a session. if i place a file in xsessions directory, it'll just know it's there and ask me if i want to use it?
[12:41] <Jucato_> I hate it when that happens...
[12:41] <xsacha> nevermind!
[12:43] <aoeuid_> could anoyone help me with installing automatix >.>
[12:43] <jende_> !automatix
[12:43] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[12:43] <aoeuid_> -_-
[12:44] <aoeuid_> thx for nothing
[12:44] <Jucato> ??
[12:44] <jende_> Jucato: I really don't like automatix anyway...*g*
[12:44] <Jucato> lol
[12:45] <bmo> we don't support automatix, but some of us ran it and we had good luck. ymmv. :-P
[12:45] <xsacha> hmm if i run systemsettings as sudo it says all these programs are "Not running" but as user they are all "Running" damn bugs lol
[12:45] <xsacha> in services manager
[12:47] <xsacha> so how do i add a service at launch? :S i dont see any option for it in systemsettings
[12:47] <xsacha> just managing existing ones
[12:47] <macoxp> anyone think they could help me with this? http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/XGL
[12:47] <SlimG> anyone know of some kind of linux function where i can read all fileoperations? i'm trying to figure out what files are beeing copied from a cd..
[12:48] <macoxp> SlimG: the only thing i could think of is use the cammand line so you have a record
[12:49] <xsacha> or do nothing and then find all files with recent modified times
[12:49] <jende_> SlimG: use the bash
[12:49] <xsacha> and just strip out obvious ones like konversation
[12:49] <macoxp> i need help with the last step of this setup Running Beryl i got it all installed already
[12:49] <xsacha> im up to there now macoxp :)
[12:49] <macoxp> xsacha: thanks :D
[12:50] <xsacha> im trying to add it to startup services, no idea where i would find that via the GUI
[12:50] <SlimG> i'm using bash, it's a binary app that performs the copying, and it doesent echo what it does
[12:50] <SlimG> jende_: i'm using bash, it's a binary app that performs the copying, and it doesent echo what it does
[12:50] <macoxp> xsacha: you are trying to install it also?
[12:51] <momal> anyone here used iptables before to redirect traffic on eth0 to a certain proxy?
[12:51] <bmo> slimg: cp -v
[12:51] <xsacha> yeah well it's installed.. just trying to add it as a startup program so i dont have to type in "beryl" to start it
[12:51] <xsacha> i havent run it yet though
[12:51] <jende_> bmo: you were quicker
[12:51] <macoxp> xsacha: same here
[12:51] <SlimG> macoxp: it's a binary installer file for a game om cd
[12:51] <rag> somebody use wine?
[12:52] <xsacha> i do for some things
[12:52] <xsacha> just to play some windows games i cant live without
[12:53] <SlimG> bmo: it's a binary installer that performs the copying from a cd to hdd
[12:53] <bmo> here's a thought, slimg: do a "strings [installer] 
[12:53] <bmo> the installer has to contain the file names
[12:53] <bmo> so run strings on it
[12:53] <macoxp> xsacha: youare tryingt to do teh Adding a XGL login session step right?
[12:54] <SlimG> bmo: I'll try
[12:54] <xsacha> yeah well i just added it to Xsessions directly.. im hoping that's all i need to do?
[12:54] <xsacha> directory*
[12:54] <macoxp> xsacha: tell me if it works :D
[12:54] <bmo> a bunch of stuff will fly by.  you can do 'strings foo | less'
[12:54] <xsacha> nothing useful in Session Manager
[12:55] <momal> it should work... i have xgl/beryl running fine with nvidia card
[12:55] <bmo> dar williams singing "comfortably numb" on kcmp
[12:55] <xsacha> yeah momal, i want to know how to add xgl as a session.. do i just add that .desktop file to Xsession and that is it?
[12:56] <xsacha> i was hoping Session Manager would have more options :(
[12:56] <bmo> mplayer http://currentstream1.publicradio.org:80
[12:57] <bmo> slimg, did you get strings?
[12:57] <momal> xsacha: http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-5063-howto-xgl-beryl-kubuntu-dapper-with-nvidia | its for nvidia but just look at the bit where you add the xession bit :)
[12:57] <momal> xsession*
[12:57] <xsacha> k
[12:58] <momal> also there is #beryl with bunch people in there that can help :)
[01:00] <SlimG> bmo: yes, but it's a lot of data, i'll try to make som sence out of it, thanks for your help bmo!
[01:01] <xsacha> i've been in #beryl for a while :P
[01:01] <xsacha> gonna test it out, brb
[01:04] <bmo> I may be back, I may not
[01:04] <bmo> in the motto of The Ministry of Knowledge "Fry sh*t up!"
[01:04] <bmo> adios
[01:04] <bmo> muchacho
[01:04] <bmo> gaspacho
[01:05] <bmo> ta!
[01:05] <VirteX> i got a whole new tower, took my boot drive out, slapped it into my new tower, it freezes at the grub loading screen... :( i'm guessing cause the config for grub is wrong how do i get access to it ? i'm booted on the live cd right now
[01:05] <xsacha> not working.. how do i get that session to start? obviously when X loads, it is too late
[01:06] <momal> xsacha: did you select xgl in the session select
[01:06] <xsacha> i didnt get a session select.. do you mean the thing to the left of login?
[01:07] <momal> X will load for the login screen... then you select XGL for the session put in your login details and it will load up xgl
[01:07] <xsacha> i chose the invisible one under KDE, but it didnt seem to do anything
[01:08] <momal> hmm if you have an nvidia card then go through that link i gave and just follow it all and check all it done right
[01:08] <momal> the session should be called XGL or xgl
[01:08] <xsacha> ati..
[01:08] <momal> hmm
[01:08] <momal> i think you need aiglx then for ati
[01:09] <xsacha> :O
[01:09] <xsacha> im using fglrx
[01:09] <momal> oh
[01:09] <xsacha> oops no im not, using ati
[01:09] <xsacha> but the howto said to use xgl
[01:09] <momal> lol
[01:09] <bmo> well, this is kinda slick
[01:09] <momal> hmm still no matter what your using it should still say xgl at the session check the xgl.desktop file again
[01:09] <xsacha> the xgl.desktop has "Name=XGl" in it...
[01:10] <momal> hmm did you do a full reboot ?.. not jsut restarting X ?
[01:11] <xsacha> yes
[01:11] <macoxp> xsacha: learn anything new?
[01:11] <xsacha> went to lilo, came back.. no Xgl in session list :( just an invisible one, that i tried
[01:12] <momal> when it loged in did the screen flash with checked background and black X cursor?
[01:12] <xsacha> ahhhhhh i found problem
[01:12] <xsacha> in xgl.desktop the first "[" is missing
[01:13] <momal> :p
[01:13] <xsacha> for some reason my copy/paste always misses a letter on linux
[01:13] <xsacha> brb
[01:18] <bmo> ok, this works, more or less.  I will now go back to Normal  Dapper.  This is encouraging, compared to my last attempt to run edgy
[01:20] <bmo> it's Rhode Island's state animal
[01:20] <Jucato> oh...
[01:20] <eleanord> how do i enable multiverse in kubuntu?
[01:20] <bmo> the name is taken from the Narragansett word "pokwahock"
[01:20] <Jucato> !multiverse
[01:20] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:20] <Jucato> eleanord: ^^^^
[01:20] <bmo> it's a clam
[01:20] <bmo> it's tasty
[01:20] <bmo> yet I am allergic
[01:20] <bmo> :-/
[01:21] <VirteX> anyone have any idea how to fix my booting problem ?
[01:21] <Jucato> hehe
[01:21] <bmo> mmmm...stuffed quahogs
[01:22] <macoxp> how do you see what proccess are running?
[01:22] <bmo> ps uax
[01:22] <bmo> or
[01:22] <bmo> top
[01:22] <jjvaca> {join #kubuntu-es
[01:22] <emav> Anybody who has got an iPAQ 6515 and has successfully managed synchronization with kubuntu?
[01:22] <Jucato> or Ctrl+Esc to launch the Process Monitor
[01:22] <bmo> top is prettier
[01:23] <bmo> ps -uax | grep username
[01:23] <Jucato> hehe
[01:23] <macoxp> how do i run proccess monitor from konsole?
[01:23] <wickedpuppy> top
[01:23] <bmo> type "top"
[01:24] <bmo> and hit enter
[01:24] <bmo> ps gives you a snapshot
[01:24] <bmo> ps is more useful, as it lists more than can fit in a screen
[01:24] <loz> Hi every body
[01:25] <momal> whats the name of the program that runs that mac os style dock bar at the bottom with icons for kde?
[01:25] <bmo> but top is pretty, and can list by cpu use, memory use, user, etc
[01:25] <loz> i m loz
[01:25] <jende_> macoxp: for observing network use netstat; man netstat; man top
[01:25] <jende_> for the system observation
[01:25] <bmo> netstat -a gives you a good network snapshot
[01:25] <osh_> and for getting periodic updates on ps or netstat, have a look at "watch"
[01:25] <jende_> *ggg*
[01:25] <macoxp> jende_: i want the crt+esc with admin rights caus it says i cant kill things right now
[01:26] <bmo> ok, I must logout.  bbiab
[01:26] <jende_> macoxp: pid
[01:26] <bmo> ok this isn't workin'
[01:26] <macoxp> jende_: says pid not found
[01:26] <xsacha> :( xorg closes saying it cant open Xorg.93.log or something
[01:27] <jende_> macoxp: i meant kill the whole process
[01:27] <loz> does anybody know much about these darn windoz codecs?
[01:27] <loz> window
[01:27] <jende_> loz: like mp3's? or what?
[01:27] <loz> i ve just installed edgy
[01:27] <loz> and can t play music on amrok
[01:27] <jende_> macoxp: kill all <application>
[01:27] <jende_> loz:
[01:27] <jende_> !mp3
[01:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:27] <loz> caaaaaaaaase i was on windows
[01:28] <loz> thx
[01:28] <jende_> macoxp: sudo kill all <application>
[01:28] <macoxp> jende_: thx i'll try that
[01:28] <jende_> macoxp: sudo kill all <application>
[01:30] <bmo> that worked ok
[01:31] <macoxp> jende_: sudo KSysGuard was what i was looking for :D
[01:31] <bmo> now my uptime is reset.  boo.
[01:31] <macoxp> jende_: but it dont work
[01:31] <macoxp> jende_: how then kell do i give KSysGuard admin rights?
[01:32] <jende_> macoxp: don't know...I don't use GUI stuff that much. Open a console and read "man kill"
[01:32] <bmo> !KSysGuard
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KSysGuard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <VirteX> back... my system freezes at the grub loading screen... as soon as grub loads the system freezes... anyone know what might be causing that ?
[01:33] <macoxp> ok well how do i kill the 3 adept's that are running and are doing nothing
[01:35] <bmo> oh, that's cool.  kdesu ksysguard.  macoxp, if you run it as su, it has admin rights. :-P
[01:35] <jende_> macoxp: the manpage tells you all that, simply read the manpage of kill. once again type in a console man kill
[01:36] <jende_> I think people should get more familiar with the console/bash
[01:36] <macoxp> jende_: i figured it out had to use the proccess id
[01:36] <jende_> macoxp: so you killed them?
[01:36] <bmo> !paste
[01:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:37] <macoxp> jende_: yup with the id code
[01:37] <jende_> macoxp: good
[01:37] <xsacha> why o why :( when i run beryl-manager X restarts :(
[01:37] <macoxp> jende_: thanks for the help
[01:37] <bmo> the ultimate kill faq:
[01:37] <bmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27956/
[01:38] <jende_> macoxp: no worries; just another hint...you'll get a better control of your system with all the beautiful commandline tools
[01:38] <xsacha> glxgears gives me no reading every 5 seconds as to why my FPS is? :S
[01:38] <xsacha> is there something special i need to do to get it verbose now?
[01:38] <macoxp> jende_: wanna help me get beryl running now lol
[01:39] <VirteX> anyone know why grub locks up as soon as it loads on my system ??
[01:39] <jende_> macoxp: nope, cause I haven't even used it nor installed, so I can't help anyway eventhough beryl has its own channel #beryl
[01:39] <xsacha> it did that to me VirteX, i just installed trusty old lilo
[01:39] <bmo> virtex: there could be various reasons, including a busted boot
[01:39] <bmo> and a busted drive
[01:40] <xsacha> i think it's because we have a partition other than kubuntu
[01:40] <VirteX> the drive was fine in my other machine
[01:40] <xsacha> it doesnt handle them well :S
[01:40] <xsacha> just install lilo over the top, worked fine for me
[01:40] <VirteX> how do i go about doing that ?
[01:40] <xsacha> what is your primary partition? like hda1?
[01:40] <VirteX> i'm on the live cd right at the moment
[01:40] <VirteX> yea
[01:40] <xsacha> not kubuntu right?
[01:40] <VirteX> it's kubuntu
[01:40] <xsacha> oh :S
[01:41] <xsacha> well i had another linux OS on hda1 with lilo, i added hda3 (kubuntu) to list and just liloed
[01:41] <xsacha> dont know how you'd do it
[01:42] <bmo> isn't there a way to boot the installed system from the cd?
[01:42] <VirteX> it's weird it worked fine in my other machine
[01:42] <VirteX> hmmm
[01:43] <xsacha> yeah same here, but then again this is edgy rc1
[01:43] <bmo> oh!
[01:43] <xsacha> i had an older one on other machine..
[01:43] <bmo> virtex is using edgy?
[01:43] <VirteX> ummm no idea lol
[01:44] <bmo> well, let's ask a question: was the boot logo slick or ugly?
[01:44] <VirteX> blue kubuntu that was pretty nice lol was graphicall if that's what were looking for lol
[01:44] <xsacha> it was ugly bmo.. text
[01:44] <xsacha> it said "Loading Grub" -- that was it
[01:44] <VirteX> oh yea the grub thing
[01:45] <bmo> oh, n/m it didn't get to the boot screen
[01:45] <xsacha> it didnt give me boot option
[01:45] <VirteX> i edited my grub config file to load the menu for 30 seconds but it still freezes as soon as it loads
[01:45] <vge> kubuntu and xubuntu have same driver database right?
[01:45] <bmo> yes
[01:45] <bmo> it's all ubuntu
[01:45] <vge> im loosing hair with my nic :/
[01:45] <bmo> set it up as an ne1000/ne2000 card
[01:45] <vge> two network card dont work under xubuntu
[01:46] <vge> or i just cant get em to work
[01:46] <jende_> vge: what do you need 2 NIC's for
[01:46] <vge> jende_: well, i just need one working one, but both dont get ping trought
[01:47] <jende_> vge: are the modules loaded?
[01:47] <vge> jende_: how i know?
[01:47] <VirteX> hmmm i dunno
[01:47] <jende_> vge: check lsmod | grep <modulenameof NIC>
[01:48] <vge> modulenameofnick?
[01:48] <jende_> vge: well the modulename of your Nick has to be placed behind 'grep'
[01:48] <jende_> vge: well the modulename of your NIC has to be placed behind 'grep'
[01:49] <jende_> vge: what card and chipset is it?
[01:50] <jende_> vge: lspci will help you
[01:50] <vge> i think both are realtech
[01:51] <jende_> vge: what you think, buddy, doesn't help. Eventhough there are different realteks available
[01:51] <jende_> vge: lspci
[01:51] <vge> realtek semiconductor etcetera
[01:52] <jende_> vge: that is NOT the output of lspci; just type in a console lspci and pastebin the output
[01:52] <jende_> !paste
[01:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:53] <vge> well, i would not ask help on NIC if i could use pastebin, ic what i can do
[01:54] <xsacha> O M F G i have beryl running -- not in Xgl -- in X -- i typed in beryl and i am in beryl LOL .. it seems AIGLX automatically turned itself on
[01:54] <jende_> vge: have the manual to one of your NIC's on hand?
[01:54] <vge> nope
[01:54] <xsacha> so im running AIGLX/beryl even though i set it up for XGL/beryl -- funny or what
[01:55] <jende_> vge: and none of them got recognized during installation?
[01:55] <bmo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2689
[01:55] <jende_> vge: what tells you sudo pppoeconf? will tha recognize one of your cards?
[01:55] <bmo>  that is for the busted grub
[01:55] <xsacha> HAHAHAHA omg this is so good
[01:55] <vge> it got recognized and xubuntu GUI "finds it", but when i try to use dhcp or static ip:s and try to ping anything but localhost, it dont get trough
[01:56] <VirteX> Thanks bmo i'll have a look
[01:56] <jende_> vge: sudo route...what's the output?
[01:56] <vge> pppoeconf founds eth1
[01:57] <vge> but i need to go, ill be back later :/
[01:57] <jende_> vge: see ya
[01:58] <bmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27962/
[01:58] <Windwalker> Hi, followed this ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=264861&highlight=how+to+get+layouts )  but could not help me on my Kubuntu 6.06
[01:58] <bmo> for virtex
[01:59] <Windwalker> Can somebody tell me how to switch keybd layouts with alt+shift
[02:03] <Windwalker> anybody with bulgaria,russian and etc cyrillic keyboards?
[02:05] <dwo> ola
[02:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy All! :)
[02:06] <jende_> BluesKaj: Howdy... ;-)
[02:06] <dwo> hi
[02:06] <VirteX> i get permission denied when trying to write to the drive... :(
[02:06] <BluesKaj> hi jende_, what's up ?
[02:07] <jende_> BluesKaj: nothing much...heaps of quests re beryl...besides that...nothing spectacular
[02:08] <VirteX> i'm not even dual-booting just kubuntu... have an ntfs drive plugged in but i did before too :(
[02:08] <VirteX> brb
[02:10] <BluesKaj> i need some advice later on resetting up my networkwork USB Printer ...it's connected to my wifes windows pc ...I had the printer working from Kubuntu  last week , but since then the printer had to be reinstalled into a USB hub and CUPS doesn't see the printer any longer .
[02:11] <Windwalker> which printer is this?
[02:11] <Windwalker> model?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> HP Deskjet 3520, Windwalker
[02:12] <Windwalker> Sound good
[02:12] <Windwalker> which distro are you using?
[02:13] <jende_> BluesKaj: lsmod | grep usb
[02:13] <Windwalker> lsusb also
[02:13] <BluesKaj> it was working fine last week but it crashed on my my wifes pc and had to be reinstalled in the uSB hub cuz it wasn't being recognized at it's old location
[02:14] <jende_> BluesKaj: followed by a lpc status
[02:14] <Windwalker> Which distor are you using??
[02:14] <jende_> BluesKaj: is it an active or passive Hub, by the way?
[02:15] <BluesKaj> it's an active hub , but it's connected to the windows pc ...this pc is hooked to the windows pc thru a router
[02:15] <jende_> BluesKaj: have you also already checked if errors got posted in the .log?
[02:16] <jende_> BluesKaj: the error.log for cups are in /var/log/cups/
[02:16] <BluesKaj> the USB hub is not connected directly to this pc
[02:19] <ahmed> hi everybody
[02:19] <ahmed> anybody here ??
[02:19] <ahmed> :O
[02:20] <ahmed> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
[02:20] <ahmed> :P
[02:20] <ahmed> Allooo
[02:20] <Windwalker> can somebody tell me how to logout with a script???
[02:20] <BluesKaj> hi
[02:21] <ahmed> hi blueskaj
[02:21] <ahmed> :)
[02:21] <Windwalker> logout will not work from console.
[02:21] <ahmed> logout via normal method is pretty mff
[02:22] <ahmed> mf*
[02:22] <jende_> Windwalker: what do you mean?
[02:22] <ahmed> hehe
[02:22] <ahmed> windwalker
[02:22] <Windwalker> I want to make an executable script just like the shutdown button
[02:22] <ahmed> lol
[02:22] <ahmed> aha
[02:22] <jende_> BluesKaj: maybe try that: reinstall hal, dbus and pmount
[02:23] <BluesKaj> jende_:  ?
[02:23] <Windwalker> I have to add this to my right button.
[02:23] <jende_> BluesKaj: I read that that has solved the problem for someone with the same symptoms you describe
[02:23] <ahmed> hmm
[02:24] <ahmed> sry mf i have no idea L)
[02:24] <ahmed> :)
[02:24] <Windwalker> :) anybody else...
[02:24] <ahmed> why synaptic is not in kubunu ?? !!
[02:24] <jende_> !synaptic
[02:24] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[02:24] <BluesKaj> it's in adept
[02:25] <ahmed> yes iknow but it is like synaptic or just a pack maneger ?
[02:25] <ahmed> package*
[02:26] <ahmed> i mean could i search apps and games from external sources like in synaptic ?
[02:26] <Windwalker> Okay. Is the "logout" command built in? I see logout in console, but I cannot find the file
[02:26] <BluesKaj> yes it's like synaptic
[02:26] <ahmed> ok thanks :)
[02:29] <ahmed> could anybody send me link to run mp3 and win32 codecs on kubuntu 6.06
[02:29] <Tm_T> !mp3
[02:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
 sry man i knw that iam idiot , iam totaly noob in kubuntu :)
[02:32] <jende_> ahmed: you have to modify your sources.list (enable universe9
[02:32] <jende_> ahmed: you have to modify your sources.list (enable universe)
[02:32] <jende_> !libxine-extracodecs
[02:32] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[02:32] <jende_> ahmed: you have to modify your sources.list (enable universe and multiverse)
[02:33] <ars_> buenas
[02:33] <dwo> ola
[02:33] <jende_> ahmed: you know what I mean, I hope
[02:34] <ahmed> how :(
[02:34] <ahmed> give me commands in termenal
[02:34] <BluesKaj> ok, jende_, I've uninstalled dbus and pmount but they don't exist in my sources list for reinstallation.
[02:34] <BluesKaj> !dbus
[02:34] <ubotu> dbus: simple interprocess messaging system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.60-6ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 316 kB, installed size 700 kB
[02:35] <BluesKaj> !pmount
[02:35] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.11-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 37 kB, installed size 164 kB
[02:36] <Windwalker> Can somebody tell me command which is called by the Log Out button? I want to customize my right button and add ONLY logout there
[02:36] <jende_> ahmed: as a noob I suggest you'd rather se this command kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:36] <jende_> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get install hal dbus pmount
[02:36] <flaccid> !noob
[02:36] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[02:37] <flaccid> hehe
[02:37] <ahmed> ahuahahhau
[02:37] <jende_> flaccid: *grrrrrrrrrr*
[02:37] <dwo> lol
[02:37] <ahmed> yess , i made it :D
[02:37] <jende_> flaccid: How are ya, anyway?
[02:38] <flaccid> alright sandwich is a bit old
[02:38] <ahmed> !linux
[02:38] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[02:38] <jende_> ahmed: see uncommented *universe* lines in the file?
[02:38] <jende_> BluesKaj: is apt installing?
[02:38] <ahmed> i made it via right click and click "enable"
[02:39] <ahmed> on adept
[02:39] <BluesKaj> jende_: nope :(
[02:39] <jende_> BluesKaj: you're on dapper, right?
[02:39] <BluesKaj> need to find a repos that has it
[02:39] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:40] <jende_> ahmed: adept is not a real proper way, though
[02:40] <sudharsh> !jfgi
[02:40] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[02:40] <sudharsh> :(
[02:40] <flaccid> !adept
[02:40] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:40] <jende_> but that's just my opinion
[02:40] <flaccid> well adept is the kubuntu package manager...
[02:41] <flaccid> :p
[02:41] <ahmed> so .. i will use apt-get only !!
[02:41] <flaccid> or aptitude
[02:41] <jende_> flaccid: I said it's just my opinion
[02:41] <ahmed> i need a tool like synaptic
[02:41] <flaccid> hehe
[02:41] <flaccid> i'm just pullin your strings
[02:42] <sudharsh> ahmed: open up a konsole and sudo apt-get install synaptic..if you want it
[02:43] <flaccid> it looks alright without the native gtk
[02:43] <ahmed> libs eror , i've tried
[02:43] <ahmed> iam on kubuntu 6.06
[02:43] <sudharsh> ahmed: oh..ok
[02:44] <sudharsh> ahmed: i ll pastebin my sources.list..just replace that..
[02:44] <ahmed> ok
[02:47] <sudharsh> ahmed: http://pastebin.ca/217030
[02:48] <ahmed> ok i replaced it
[02:49] <sudharsh> ahmed: how..replaced it with /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:49] <sudharsh> ?
[02:49] <ahmed> yes , sure
[02:49] <ahmed> and saved it
[02:49] <sudharsh> ahmed: good now..'sudo apt-get update' in a konsole
[02:51] <ahmed> done , thanks
[02:52] <sudharsh> ahmed: now 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> is there any reason why konqueror only shows /home and /media in root?
[02:53] <ahmed> i got this msg "
[02:53] <ahmed> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:53] <ahmed> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:53] <sudharsh> ahmed: are you running adept in the background?
[02:53] <ahmed> yes
[02:53] <constantine-xvi> ahmed: kill it
[02:53] <sudharsh> ahmed: oh close that
[02:54] <ahmed> ok
[02:54] <ahmed> ido sudo apt-get update again ?
[02:54] <constantine-xvi> ahmed: yes
[02:55] <snikker> i've got a problem with vmware server... after the installation, i don't have the internet access... and if i unistall it, i can surf in the net only with the firewall disabled...
[02:55] <sudharsh> ahmed: no
[02:56] <sudharsh> constantine-xvi: he has already done it
[02:56] <ahmed> the same libs error
[02:56] <sudharsh> ahmed: could you post the errors
[02:56] <ahmed> Reading package lists... Done
[02:56] <ahmed> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:56] <ahmed> synaptic is already the newest version.
[02:56] <ahmed> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[02:57] <ahmed> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:57] <ahmed>   synaptic: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1) but 1.11.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:57] <sudharsh> ahmed: oh sweet you have it installed
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 is to be installed
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.2.0) but 1.0.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:57] <sudharsh> ahmed: pastebin
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:57] <sudharsh> ahmed: dont flood
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.12.1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:57] <ahmed>             Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.26) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:57] <ahmed> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:57] <ahmed> ah ok , sry
[02:58] <sudharsh> ahmed: hmm..can you show me the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[02:58] <sudharsh> ahmed: use pastebin this time :)
[02:58] <jende_> ahmed: apt told you already what to do
[02:58] <ahmed> ok
[02:59] <jende_> ahmed: sudo apt-get -f install; do it as long as all errors are fixed
[02:59] <jende_> JosefK: are you there?
[03:00] <ahmed> i did apt-get -f install
[03:00] <Fuzzy76> Under network folders in Konqueror. Are there any ways to add a sftp connection there easily? The wizard only does ftp or fish.
[03:00] <sudharsh> ahmed: what happened
[03:01] <livingdaylight> someone please tell me the path to configure application to cd rom?
[03:01] <ahmed> http://pastebin.ca/217047
[03:01] <livingdaylight> is it /media hdd or /dev/cd rom
[03:01] <jende_> sudharsh: has he made an apt-get update after he has modified his aources?
[03:01] <jende_> sudharsh: has he made an apt-get update after he has modified his sources?
[03:01] <jende_> cpk2: ping!
[03:01] <sudharsh> jende_: yes..have told him to paste his sources just in case
[03:02] <ahmed> and what then ..
[03:02] <jende_> sudharsh: he has to made first of all an update, so that apt updates the database with the new repos
[03:02] <sudharsh> jende_: i think he has done it
[03:03] <sudharsh> ahmed: have you done the 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:03] <ahmed> yes
[03:03] <sudharsh> ahmed: oh..the pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[03:04] <ahmed> http://pastebin.ca/217049
[03:04] <ahmed> that 's
[03:05] <JosefK> jende_: yup, a bit late though - what's up?
[03:05] <sudharsh> ahmed: ok..that seems ok and since you have done the apt-get update proceed with 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[03:06] <jende_> JosefK: I came across a weird error: pmount and hal is in repo main but can't be installed; any ideas?
[03:06] <ahmed> wow , big thanks :)
[03:06] <ahmed> done
[03:06] <sudharsh> ahmed: :)
[03:06] <JosefK> jende_: on edgy or dapper?  and what's the actual error that aptitude/apt-get throw?
[03:07] <ahmed> sudharsh: big thanks my friend
[03:07] <sudharsh> ahmed: welcome mate :D
[03:07] <BluesKaj> Package dbus is not available, but is referred to by another package
[03:08] <BluesKaj> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:08] <BluesKaj> is only available from another source
[03:08] <JosefK> BluesKaj: you haven't used Automatix by any chance?
[03:09] <BluesKaj> JosefK: nope not recently , but i uninstalled dbus and pmount in order to reinstall to fix my cups prob
[03:10] <JosefK> BluesKaj: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[03:12] <BluesKaj> JosefK:  No candidate version found for kubuntu-desktop...that was one of the messages in the result
[03:12] <BluesKaj> doesn't look good
[03:12] <JosefK> BluesKaj: your apt database sounds fubar'd, could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to..
[03:12] <JosefK> !paste
[03:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:12] <sudharsh> BluesKaj: ooh..got all the repos mate
[03:13] <sudharsh> BluesKaj: pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[03:13] <JosefK> BluesKaj: and paste 'lsb_release -c' in this channel? thanks
[03:14] <JosefK> of course, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ doesn't render properly in konqueror..
[03:14] <sudharsh> JosefK: where does the lsb_release take its inputs
[03:15] <JosefK> sudharsh: /etc/lsb-release
[03:15] <sudharsh> JosefK: ack
[03:15] <BluesKaj> JosefK: sudharsh...   http://pastebin.ca/217058
[03:15] <JosefK> BluesKaj: and your lsb_release -c please :)
[03:16] <BluesKaj> dapper
[03:16] <JosefK> you're missing the main repo's from that sources.list ;) I'll churn out another one from source-o-matic
[03:17] <sudharsh> BluesKaj: back up your existing sources.list and replace it with  http://pastebin.ca/217030
[03:17] <Kim^J> Where can I get the kwin-style-baghira package? Running Edgy.
[03:17] <BluesKaj> which one is missing ? JosefK
[03:17] <JosefK> BluesKaj: use the sources.list sudharsh just posted (thanks_)
[03:17] <Kim^J> Anyone?
[03:17] <sudharsh> Kim^J: do a apt-cache search
[03:18] <Kim^J> sudharsh: Don't treat me like I'm a dumb ass.
[03:18] <JosefK> Kim^J: it's kwin-baghira on edgy, it seems
[03:18] <sudharsh> Kim^J: oh...ok smarty
[03:18] <Kim^J> JosefK: It doesn't include the style.
[03:18] <jende_> !dumb
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dumb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <jende_> !language
[03:18] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:18] <Kim^J> jende_: Your point is???
[03:18] <JosefK> Kim^J: aptitude show kwin-baghira
[03:19] <JosefK> Kim^J: it doesn't depend on kwin-style-baghira, so I can only assume the style should be included in that package
[03:19] <JosefK> Kim^J: as it states in the description, if there's a bug, then...
[03:19] <JosefK> !bug
[03:19] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:19] <Kim^J> JosefK: Doesn't show up in kcontrol...
[03:20] <Kim^J> Maybe a restart of X will do the trick?
[03:22] <JosefK> BluesKaj: can you reinstall kubuntu-desktop okay with that sources.list?
[03:23] <Kim^J> Restarting X worked.
[03:24] <BluesKaj> JosefK: hang on
[03:24] <JosefK> :)
[03:25] <Kim^J> Now onto the extreeme customization...
[03:25] <BluesKaj> JosefK: installing as we speak :)
[03:26] <BluesKaj> looks like success, jende_, JosefK,
[03:27] <Jucato> hi jende_
[03:27] <ahmed> sry again i 've installed libxine-extracodecs and till now i can't play mp3's on amaroke
[03:27] <BluesKaj> now, back to square one, trying to fix the "cups"
[03:30] <sudharsh> ahmed: you have to restart amarok
[03:31] <sudharsh> brb
[03:31] <ahmed> ok
[03:31] <Kim^J> Does anyone know the name of that app that looks like the bottom bar in Mac OS X?
[03:32] <Jucato> !kxdocker
[03:32] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[03:32] <Kim^J> Ahh
[03:32] <Jucato> Kim^J: ^^^^^^
[03:32] <Kim^J> That's the name..
[03:33] <Kim^J> Let
[03:33] <ubuntu> hey
[03:33] <Kim^J> s see how good it works this time...
[03:33] <Kim^J> ubuntu: Hey!
[03:33] <ubuntu> where are xou from?
[03:33] <pointwood> anyone tried the new beta flash player?
[03:34] <Kim^J> ubuntu: Me? Sweden
[03:34] <Kim^J> pointwood: Yep... DOing it right know.
[03:34] <ubuntu> okay
[03:34] <ubuntu> im from germany
[03:34] <Kim^J> Crashed in Konq but went fine in Firefox.
[03:34] <Kim^J> !german
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <pointwood> Kim^J: k - dapper or edgy?
[03:34] <Jucato> !de
[03:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:34] <Kim^J> pointwood: Edgy
[03:34] <pointwood> k
[03:34] <pointwood> I'm considering whether I should try it
[03:35] <Kim^J> It's pretty stable..
[03:35] <ubuntu> kim^J: and how old are you?
[03:35] <BluesKaj> thursday is the big release date
[03:35] <Kim^J> But you MUST upgrade to the max before even thinking of using it when installed from the BETA cd.
[03:35] <berkes_> cool. I was just going to ask that :)
[03:35] <|WAL|> anyone know how to get the trash bin icon on the desktop?
[03:35] <Kim^J> BluesKaj: Yup... Been really much updates lately
[03:36] <berkes_> thursday only release of ubuntu? or will kubuntu release simultanious?
[03:36] <Kim^J> ubuntu: I'm 16 years. And you?
[03:36] <pointwood> Kim^J: ok, I think I'll try it then
[03:36] <pointwood> Kim^J:
[03:36] <Kim^J> pointwood: =)
[03:36] <pointwood> argh
[03:36] <ubuntu> im 15
[03:36] <BluesKaj> <--- gonna wait and upgrade from dapper
[03:36] <ubuntu> kim^j: what is this chat about??
[03:36] <pointwood> Kim^J: how did you install it? there are 2 ways mentioned in the readme
[03:36] <Kim^J> ubuntu: About the KDE version of Ubuntu.
[03:36] <ubuntu> ah okay
[03:37] <Kim^J> pointwood: Downloaded the Beta CD and installed.
[03:37] <Jucato> O_o
[03:37] <pointwood> Kim^J: I meant the flash beta :)
[03:37] <ubuntu> my dad will install linux on my computer, so i have to find out all the programms now
[03:37] <Kim^J> pointwood: Ah... I just copied it to the ~./mozilla/plugins/
[03:38] <pointwood> k
[03:38] <Kim^J> ubuntu: Ok. Ask whatever you want.
[03:38] <ubuntu> kim^J: okay
[03:38] <Kim^J> Only me using this PC so there wheren't really any reason to install it system-wide.
[03:39] <sudharsh> does kxdocker require dri
[03:39] <pointwood> Kim^J: do konqueror find that plugin?
[03:39] <Schamane> moinb
[03:39] <Schamane> hi
[03:40] <Kim^J> pointwood: If you rescan plugin folders.
[03:40] <pointwood> k
[03:40] <Kim^J> sudharsh: Dunno...
[03:40] <Kim^J> Schamane: Hi there.
[03:40] <ubuntu> kim^J: are there some more chats in this programm?
[03:40] <Schamane> can someone plz give me an sources.list of today released 6.10 kubuntu?
[03:40] <ubuntu> schamane: hallo
[03:40] <Schamane> i deleted it
[03:40] <Schamane> :(
[03:40] <Kim^J> ubuntu: What program are you using?
[03:40] <Schamane> hi ubuntu and Kim^J
[03:41] <Kim^J> Schamane: Are you in Sweden?
[03:41] <Jucato> Schamane: it's not yet released today
[03:41] <Schamane> Kim^J: no, germany
[03:41] <Schamane> Jucato: not the stable i know
[03:41] <Kim^J> Schamane: You can use the swedish repos... wait a sec
[03:41] <Jucato> Schamane: ah just change "dapper" to "edgy"
[03:41] <Schamane> thx
[03:41] <Schamane> thats what i want to know
[03:42] <ubuntu> kubuntu-konversation, i dont if it can say you something
[03:42] <Kim^J> Schamane: http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download
[03:42] <Kim^J> ubuntu: Ah... Konversation.. Well... That's an IRC client.
[03:42] <ubuntu> right
[03:43] <Kim^J> So you can connect to any IRC server and join any channels on it.
[03:43] <ubuntu> okay, thanks
[03:43] <Kim^J> I'm not much into Konversation as I run xchat myself...
[03:43] <ubuntu> ah okay
[03:43] <Kim^J> Jucato: That won't work properly. There are more changes.
[03:43] <Jucato> Kim^J: like?
[03:43] <Kim^J> ubuntu: Anything else you wanna know.
[03:43] <Gasten> Hello. What is the name of those big things that comes up when I hold my mouse over a panel-applet? (so I can turn 'em off)
[03:44] <BluesKaj> konversation is good , xchat is good too, it's just amatter of taste
[03:44] <Kim^J> Jucato: Look at this: http://hagbarddenstore.mine.nu/download and your.
[03:44] <Kim^J> Gasten: Mouse over effects.
[03:44] <berkes_> any idea where I can DL ubuntu beta?
[03:44] <ubuntu> do you have msn manager?
[03:44] <Kim^J> berkes_: The Kubuntu webpage maybe?
[03:44] <Jucato> Kim^J: nothing out of the ordinary that I see...
[03:44] <berkes_> ubuntu, not kubuntu :)
[03:45] <Jucato> berkes_: www.ubuntu.com
[03:45] <Gasten> Kim^J: Thanks I'll see if I can find it, otherwise I'll be back here.
[03:45] <berkes_> Jucato: sure, but /i/ cannot find any links on there :(
[03:45] <Jucato> berkes_: in a few days, Edgy will be released
[03:45] <Kim^J> ubuntu: An MSN client? I have the Kopete messenger wich is the greatest MSN client for Linux. There's no need to argue on that. Gaim do really suck on MSN.
[03:45] <coreymon77> 3 actually
[03:45] <ubuntu> kim^j: do you have something leike msn messanger or something?
[03:45] <Kim^J> ubuntu: Kopete.
[03:46] <ubuntu> okay
[03:46] <berkes_> oh, wait. /me is stoopid. 6.10 /is/ the beta. gggwzzz..
[03:46] <coreymon77> kim: i would have to disagree with you on that one, i tend to like mercury messenger
[03:46] <Jucato> berkes_: there's some news at the right side of the ubuntu.com web page. one that says "Release Candidate Announced"
[03:47] <Distro^Junkie> what's the best kernel to use for an amd athlon cpu ?
[03:48] <ubuntu> are there some people, who speak german??????
[03:48] <Jucato> !de
[03:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:49] <berkes_> Jucato: yea. It was me, being st00pid. I was looking for 7.x :/ found it, I needed the torrent of the alternate version.
[03:49] <Jucato> berkes_: ok. but just take note that Edgy will be officially released in about 2 days (Oct. 26, if all goes well)
[03:49] <Distro^Junkie> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 23 19:14:34 2006 <--- anyone tell me what's going on ?
[03:49] <coreymon77> Jucato: 3 days including today
[03:50] <Jucato> coreymon77: ah yeah.. 3 days... my sense of time has been slipping :)
[03:50] <vany2> ji
[03:50] <vany2> hi
[03:50] <coreymon77> although, i tend to find rcs pretty safe, so i just upgrade once the new version gets to rc
[03:53] <koli> hi all
[03:53] <koli> how do i find themes from repositories for kde
[03:53] <koli> ?
[03:54] <Kim^J> koli: apt-cache search kwin
[03:57] <Kim^J> Anyone using Edgys kxdocker?
[03:58] <koli> Kim^J
[03:58] <koli> how to i install it
[03:58] <Kim^J> koli: Install what?
[03:58] <sudharsh> Kim^J: crashing in mine
[03:58] <koli> kwin
[03:58] <Kim^J> Aren't you familliar with apt?
[03:58] <koli> not really, i used syaptic
[03:59] <koli> and when i try to open it i get an error
[03:59] <Kim^J> sudharsh: Mine's not showing up... Not on the screen nor the system tray.
[03:59] <Kim^J> koli: sudo apt-get install <package>
[04:01] <sudharsh> Kim^J: what does kxdocker do when run in a konsole
[04:02] <osh_> Is there a free/libre/gratis poker-timer for Linux somewhere?
[04:03] <Kim^J> sudharsh: wait
[04:04] <Kim^J> Wanna pastebin?!
[04:04] <sudharsh> Kim^J: its ok...getting errors?
[04:05] <Kim^J> http://pastebin.ca/217138
[04:05] <Kim^J> If you can count all the errors... :D
[04:05] <Kim^J> Looks like the edgy kxdocker is QUITE broke... :D:D:D
[04:06] <sudharsh> :(
[04:07] <Kim^J> Hmm... Looks like I need another .xml file for it... Or get all the plugins the idiot have in the xml file...
[04:08] <Kim^J> Or recompiling... :/
[04:08] <sudharsh> Kim^J: my errors arent that long..just some xml error
[04:08] <Kim^J> kk
[04:08] <Kim^J> Well... I got the conf file from the site as my conf files from the edgy package are broke...
[04:08] <Kim^J> Well... Onto recompiling then maybe?
[04:09] <Kim^J> I hate compiling... :/
[04:20] <mini_g> does anyone have time to walk me through an xorg rez configuration?; need to force at least 800x600
[04:25] <BluesKaj> system settings/display/admin mode/hardware/graphics card/configure/card driver/apply/system resolution
[04:25] <BluesKaj> mini_g: system settings/display/admin mode/hardware/graphics card/configure/card driver/apply/system resolution
[04:26] <mini_g> can't, xserver is forcing 640x480 only
[04:27] <mini_g> ->bluekaj
[04:27] <joakim> hi i have install Kubuntu desktop with sudo apt-get Kubuntu-desktop how do i remove Gnome Desktop?
[04:27] <joakim>  hi i have install Kubuntu desktop with sudo apt-get Kubuntu-desktop how do i remove Gnome Desktop?
[04:28] <ahmed> hi all
[04:28] <trappist> joakim: apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, then use debfoster to auto-remove dependencies
[04:28] <ahmed> plz how could i install xgl under kubuntu 6.06
[04:28] <Jucato> !xgl
[04:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:28] <mini_g> it ran fine on 1024x800 until recently
[04:28] <ahmed> i've install compiz and xgl libs
[04:29] <loz> i ve installed on 6 .10
[04:29] <loz> it works a treat
[04:29] <loz> xgl i mean
[04:29] <ahmed> yes , but could it run on 60.6
[04:29] <loz> but can t close windows
[04:29] <ahmed> 6.06
[04:29] <joakim> But the program in ubuntu is not away
[04:30] <loz> i tried before
[04:30] <loz> and never could do it
[04:30] <loz> so migrated to the new edgy
[04:30] <loz> i think it s pre installed
[04:30] <ziabice> re all
[04:30] <joakim> 2 day to kubuntu edgy
[04:30] <loz> hi di hi
[04:31] <loz> yup
[04:31] <loz> but does work ok
[04:31] <loz> pretty qick on boot splqsh
[04:31] <loz> on booting up i mean
[04:31] <loz> but official release is on the 26 october
[04:32] <loz> if you can wait
[04:32] <loz> xgl makes window user cry
[04:32] <loz> hi hi
[04:32] <aaron__> Do you know where I can get xgl from?
[04:32] <Jucato> joakim: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:33] <loz> on the ubuntu site is fav
[04:33] <ahmed> !xgl
[04:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:33] <webpower_> mkinitramfs corrisponde a mkinitrd?
[04:33] <loz> are you on ATI?
[04:33] <webpower_> mkinitramfs is the same as mkinitrd?
[04:45] <sheft> how do i install a new window decoration?
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: where did you get it from?
[04:45] <ahmed> no i use nvidia
[04:45] <sheft> kde-look.org
[04:45] <loz> just follow the tutorial
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: could you give the link so I could check for instructions?
[04:45] <loz> i could not do it with ati
[04:45] <loz> maybe you ll have better luck with n vidiq
[04:45] <ahmed> i will try :)
[04:45] <loz> good luck
[04:45] <loz> but you could install the edgy eft
[04:45] <loz> try it
[04:45] <loz> it's cool
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: generally, you compile window decorations. but there are some items from kde-look that are called dekorator themes. deKorator is a themeable window decoration. you compile/install deKorator, then just point it to the .tar.gz theme
[04:45] <loz> and xgl is preinstalled
[04:45] <sheft> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=37010
[04:45] <Jucato> ok checking
[04:45] <richardh_> Anyone know if there are (k)ubuntu debs for FF 2.0 yet?
[04:45] <Distro^Junkie> anyone got some tips on trimming down ram usage ?
[04:45] <sheft> Jucato: yes?
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: I'm afraid you'd have to compile it
[04:45] <poer> My little brother is growing up, and my 'rents want some sort of net nanny stuff.... we run debian/ubuntu. I need advice. I'd be satisfied with simply monitoring instead of restricting. Would tcpdump do this, or is there a better way?
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: er no...wait
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: lol sorry, missed that one :)
[04:45] <Jucato> Type:  Window Decoration deKorator
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: you just need to install the deKorator window decoration engine (it's available in the repositories)
[04:45] <Kim^J> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[04:45] <Kim^J> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:45] <Kim^J> See `config.log' for more details.
[04:45] <Kim^J> Anyone?
[04:45] <Kim^J> Compiling kxdocker.
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: then use the options from deKorator to install the .tar.gz theme
[04:45] <sheft> ok
[04:45] <Jucato> !dekorator
[04:45] <ubotu> dekorator: KDE theme manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2fix1-1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 296 kB
[04:45] <Jucato> sheft: ^^^^^^
[04:45] <gnomefreak> Jucato: </hint> !dekorator | sheft
[04:45] <Jucato> gnomefreak: lol forgot that one :)
[04:45] <sheft> !dekorator Jucato
[04:45] <Jucato> thanks for reminding :)
[04:45] <gnomefreak> saves from the ^^^
[04:45] <Jucato> lol yeah... find it quite.. um.. unusual
[04:46] <gnomefreak> !bot | Jucato gnomefreak
[04:46] <ubotu> Jucato gnomefreak: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:46] <gnomefreak> it works :)
[04:46] <Jucato> ooh multiple targets :D
[04:46] <gnomefreak> ok im gone i need to get off my knee for a while
[04:47] <Jucato> you're kneeling?
[04:54] <ciga> hi
[04:56] <ciga> I've just upgraded to edgy, but my Xorg runs without direct rendering. I don't have fglrx installed since I have a card with rv280 chipset. glxinfo says /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_dispatch. Can you help me with this?
[05:00] <Black_Monkey> hi, I'm having problems booting off a kubuntu dvd - it gets to "mounting file system", then it freezes :/
[05:03] <richardh_> is there a rep with 2.0 version of Firefox? Anyone?
[05:03] <xsacha> my emerald just crashed
[05:06] <coreymon77> richardh_: dont think so, not for dapper at least
[05:06] <coreymon77> richardh_: you have to do it manually
[05:07] <richardh_> coreymon: alright, thanks
[05:07] <Jucato> !firefox edgy | richardh_
[05:07] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.99+2.0rc3+dfsg-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 8955 kB, installed size 28544 kB
[05:07] <aptroost> #kubuntu-nl
[05:08] <Jucato> what a long version name for Firefox in Edgy :P
[05:08] <coreymon77> Jucato: i just did the the old fashioned way
[05:08] <coreymon77> it works fine
[05:09] <coreymon77> just a few extra konsole commands
[05:09] <aptroost> hello! is someone able to help me with a problem? I can't connect my apple with osx to my kubuntu computer!
[05:13] <joakim> aptroost ask www.mac1.no
[05:15] <foodcoman> Riddell: Nice work with 3.5.5.  Downloading Edgy Desktop RC to test on my Thinkpad R52
[05:22] <joakim> gi how can i get KGET download manger work whit opera ?
[05:22] <joakim>  how can i get KGET download manger work whit opera ?
[05:23] <Jucato> joakim: afaik, you can't, unless Opera has an option to use a different download manager (like Firefox's Flashgot)
[05:23] <joakim> show i go to opera:config?
[05:24] <Jucato> joakim: if such an option exists there. I'm not familiar with Opera, though
[05:24] <joakim> ooki i show see der
[05:24] <joakim> thx
[05:28] <hahaha> a question for you rsync gurus: I have  a file here at the office that is big but farked up and a good copy at home. I want to fix the bad copy here from the good copy at home. I try using rsync -avz and it doesn't do anything to the file. is there a  way to force rsync to look inside the file and make it an exact copy of what is at home?
[05:28] <ubuntu> Hum
[05:28] <Ash-Fox> New version of Kubuntu will be out on the 26th right?
[05:28] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: yes
[05:31] <foodcoman> joakim: Closest I could find.  http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=13
[05:32] <foodcoman> joakim: Different application.
[05:33] <foodcoman> joakim: I dont think Opera has a built in facility to use someone elses download manager.   So clipboard or URL  grabber might be the only way.
[05:33] <joakim> cant i use Kget ?
[05:34] <foodcoman> kget
[05:34] <foodcoman> joakim: that was intended for the alt+f2 dialog.  Sorry.
[05:35] <Jucato> neither does Firefox have that feature (to use another download manager). it's possible through an extension called Flashgot. I don't know whether there's something like it for Opera, though
[05:36] <gemidjy> there was script for using KGet within Firefox
[05:36] <foodcoman> joakim: Looks like the best you could do with Kget is Configure/Automation/Auto Past from Clipboard.
[05:36] <BluesKaj> Opera uses "widgets" but so far i havent' found any that i can use :)
[05:36] <foodcoman> joakim: For Opera anyway.
[05:43] <afmanuk> "/usr/lib/kylix3/bin/delphi: relocation error: /usr/lib/kylix3/bin/libwine.borland.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference"
[05:43] <afmanuk> Can someone help?
[05:44] <foodcoman> afmanuk: Im not so good at this but, GLIBC_2.0 I think is really old, what its asking for.
[05:44] <vitriol> anybody know what package i'd get the python gtk.glade module from?
[05:45] <foodcoman> afmanuk: I think its at 3.x and 4.x nowdays.
[05:46] <Jucato> vitriol: you could try typing "apt:/" in Konqueror, and in the File search field, type in glade
[05:46] <afmanuk> So I update?
[05:46] <vitriol> ok Jucato
[05:47] <foodcoman> afmanuk: I just read a GLIBC_2.0 reference from 1999
[05:47] <coreymon77> !he
[05:47] <ubotu>          
[05:47] <foodcoman> Jucato: Thats cool "apt:/"  Didnt know that one.
[05:47] <coreymon77> guys
[05:47] <Jucato> foodcoman: yeah it's pretty nice. and so it man:/
[05:47] <vge> ok, im back, somebody can help me to get my other computer NIC to work?
[05:47] <coreymon77> i know of a channel we can give ubotu for hebrew
[05:48] <Black_Monkey> hi, can someone help me out here? I tried to boot from a kubuntu dvd - it got as far as "mounting filesystem" before it crashed. Now I can't even boot Fedora, which I have installed - it stops as "Booting the kernel."
[05:48] <coreymon77> guys
[05:48] <foodcoman> Jucato: I didnt need another reason to appreciate Kubuntu, but hey, I will take it.  =)
[05:48] <Jucato> lol
[05:49] <vge> what is the process to determine that my NIC work and how to get it working?
[05:49] <m4v3rick_> vge: tell me exactly does your nic work , but wiz problems..or it doesn't work at all??
[05:50] <m4v3rick_> vge: i mean, does ur system recognize it?
[05:50] <vge> m4v3rick_: xubuntu finds the NIC, but ping dont go trough
[05:50] <m4v3rick_> okay
[05:50] <m4v3rick_> vge: do you have knemo insalled
[05:50] <coreymon77> guys
[05:51] <vge> m4v3rick_: what's that?
[05:51] <coreymon77> we need to give ubotu a channel for hebrew
[05:51] <coreymon77> and there is one
[05:51] <m4v3rick_> vge: package used to easily configure your network interfaces...
[05:51] <m4v3rick_> and monitoring them
[05:51] <coreymon77> the channel is #ubuntu-il
[05:51] <coreymon77> and ubotu isnt giving it
[05:52] <trappist> !il
[05:52] <ubotu>          
[05:52] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[05:52] <coreymon77> !il
[05:52] <vge> m4v3rick_: is in installed by default? is it in the cd repos?
[05:52] <trappist> I can only assume that's hebrew.  my terminal has no idea.
[05:52] <coreymon77> !he
[05:52] <ubotu>          
[05:52] <m4v3rick_> vge: no, you have to apt-get it
[05:53] <m4v3rick_> vge: sudo apt-get install knemo
[05:53] <vge> paggage not found
[05:53] <Jucato> !knemo | vge
[05:53] <ubotu> knemo: network interfaces monitor for KDEs systray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-4 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 804 kB
[05:53] <m4v3rick_> cge: yeah u need to enable universe / multiverse repos.
[05:54] <m4v3rick_> vge: yeah u need to enable universe / multiverse repos.
[05:54] <vge> is there universe/multiverse in cd repos also?
[05:54] <m4v3rick_> i'm talking about getting them from the online repos
[05:54] <vge> hmm, ill try that
[05:55] <m4v3rick_> vge: okay
[05:56] <vge> m4v3rick_: hmm, works on xubuntu too?
[05:56] <vge> just checking
[05:56] <Zerb_Riss> yello
[05:56] <m4v3rick_> vge: it works on all
[05:56] <m4v3rick_> vge: or at least it shud :D
[05:57] <Zerb_Riss> has anyone had KDE 3.5.5 transparency support working?
[05:58] <arriesp> xao gente me voy a acer capoeira
[05:58] <Zerb_Riss> !espanol
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about espanol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <Zerb_Riss> !spanish
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spanish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: can you elaborate?
[05:59] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: you can turn on transparency in the Window Behaviour configuration
[05:59] <coreymon77> !he
[05:59] <ubotu>          
[05:59] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[05:59] <Zerb_Riss> when I enable it it doesn't do anything
[05:59] <Zerb_Riss> maybe I need a better/different video card, though
[06:00] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: same thing here
[06:00] <greenonion7> can't save after completing a mission on Quake 3. Can anyone help?
[06:00] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[06:00] <Zerb_Riss> what card do you have?
[06:00] <ricanelite> Hello! Good Morning
[06:01] <ricanelite> Does anyone here use Firefox 1.5?
[06:01] <m4v3rick_> intel
[06:01] <Black_Monkey> I do.
[06:01] <m4v3rick_> i do
[06:01] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: same, maybe it's the awful i810 driver
[06:01] <greenonion7> I do
[06:01] <Zerb_Riss> I use Firefox 2.0
[06:01] <ricanelite> Okay do you know when you open up Firefox and you see the File, Edit, View, I guess its called the Menu section?
[06:02] <foodcoman> Zerb_Riss: Now your making fun of my terrible Thinkpad Video!   =D
[06:02] <m4v3rick_> yeah i hate i810 am not expert at drivers but i jsut feel that it doesn't support all the capabilitis
[06:02] <Zerb_Riss> yah
[06:02] <Zerb_Riss> although the Intel cards are pretty terrible anyways
[06:02] <Black_Monkey> ricanelite - yes...
[06:02] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: did you ever try the Google Earth 4 Linux Beta
[06:02] <Zerb_Riss> ?
[06:02] <ricanelite> Okay, well now my Fonts is hudge
[06:02] <Zerb_Riss> the new version actually works really good
[06:02] <m4v3rick_> nope...
[06:02] <greenonion7> can't save after completing a mission on Quake 3. Can anyone help?
[06:02] <ricanelite> I tried heading to the Fonts section in System Settings and nothing
[06:02] <Zerb_Riss> nice and smooth, before it was choppy and buggy
[06:03] <Black_Monkey> ricanelite - ah, yeah, you have to edit the gnome fonts, and firefox is a gnome application, not kde
[06:03] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: really!! that sounds cool...
[06:03] <Black_Monkey> I think. >_>
[06:03] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: i think am gonna give it a try
[06:03] <ricanelite> well I'm using Kubuntu Desktop I guess
[06:03] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: yah :) another excuse for meto use Kubuntu exclusively at work :)
[06:03] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: now I just need IE74Linux
[06:03] <ricanelite> so please forgive I'm very new to this Operating System but willing to learn
[06:03] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: loool
[06:04] <Zerb_Riss> :)
[06:04] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: if only the IEtab plugin works for firefox under linux
[06:04] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: yah no joke hehe :)
[06:04] <Zerb_Riss> m4v3rick_: there is IEs4Linux
[06:04] <m4v3rick_> i guess it works if used wine to run firefox windows version
[06:04] <n8k99> ricanelite: SystemSettings > Appearance > GTK icons & Fonts to change the default fonts for firefox
[06:04] <Zerb_Riss> but that's only IE 5.5 and 6.0
[06:05] <ricanelite> So i select use my KDE fonts in GTK Applications?
[06:05] <m4v3rick_> zerb_riss: bummer...
[06:05] <foodcoman> m4v3rick_: i810 drivers seem to have trouble with the OpenGL screensavers, in my laptops case anyway.
[06:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, if i have an CD iso bootable image, can i add some other stuffs in the iso ( to be later writed to a DVD ) and obtain a DVD bootable iso? in the case i can, what do i have to use?
[06:05] <ricanelite> and then do I have to restart my computer?
[06:05] <Zerb_Riss> foodcoman: they often do, but Google Earth seems to have resolved many of the OpenGL problems it had with the i810 driver
[06:05] <m4v3rick_> foodcoman: the funny thing i that the pendulum screensaver works but the others don't though it's supposed to be an openGL thing
[06:06] <n8k99> ricanelite: no you select your kde fonts in SystemSettings>Appearance> FOnts
[06:06] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[06:06] <vge> m4v3rick_: where do i find the knemo paggage?
[06:06] <n8k99> ricanelite: no you don't need to restart the computer, you may need to restart the applications
[06:06] <Jucato> !knemo | vge
[06:06] <ubotu> knemo: network interfaces monitor for KDEs systray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-4 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 804 kB
[06:06] <n8k99> ricanelite: at most you will need to restart the X server
[06:07] <ricanelite> Ahh Got it!!!
[06:07] <Zerb_Riss> is anyone using KSmoothDock?
[06:07] <vge> Jucato: i dont have internet on that machine, so where can i download the paggage?
[06:07] <greenonion7> can't save after completing a mission on Quake 3. Can anyone help?
[06:07] <vge> from repos sure, but then. where are the paggages downloaded
[06:07] <Jucato> vge: packages.ubuntu.com but you need to know the dependencies that it needs
[06:07] <m4v3rick_> ?vge: can't u enable you universe repos
[06:08] <m4v3rick_> vge: can't u enable you universe repos
[06:08] <ricanelite> Thank you!
[06:08] <n8k99> ricanelite:  you are welcome
[06:08] <ricanelite> When is the new update coming out for ubuntu?
[06:08] <n8k99> !edgy
[06:08] <Jucato> m4v3rick_: he said he doesn't have an internet connection on that machine
[06:08] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[06:08] <vge> m4v3rick_: sure, but the NIC dont work, is the paggage on the cd?
[06:08] <n8k99> !schedule
[06:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[06:08] <m4v3rick_> oooh i see i didn't notice
[06:08] <m4v3rick_> sorry
[06:08] <Jucato> :)
[06:08] <ricanelite> Thank you!
[06:08] <m4v3rick_> vge: nope, as ubotu said it's optional...
[06:09] <vge> point is, i bet there is a console way to do it, but i just donno how to make it work
[06:09] <n8k99> no problem
[06:09] <m4v3rick_> yes there is
[06:09] <m4v3rick_> but are u willing??? :D
[06:09] <ricanelite> Also before I go, Does anyone have any experience with MOL?
[06:09] <n8k99> ricanelite: what about it
[06:09] <vge> m4v3rick_: well, i dont fraid the console if thats what your suggesting
[06:10] <n8k99> ricanelite: which OS X do you have?
[06:10] <ricanelite> 10.4
[06:10] <m4v3rick_> vge: well, we first have to figure out what is the problem...
[06:10] <ricanelite> the lastest one
[06:10] <ricanelite> but it is not that though
[06:10] <ricanelite> I cannot get it running
[06:10] <m4v3rick_> vge: so try to ping urself and see if u can even loopback to urself...
[06:10] <n8k99> how do you mean?
[06:10] <ricanelite> and I mean that I'm having a hard time getting it displayed
[06:10] <vge> m4v3rick_: that i can do
[06:11] <n8k99> ricanelite:how did you set it up? via tha wiki?
[06:11] <vge> m4v3rick_: but anything else dont go trough
[06:11] <ricanelite> because when i type in the command to run MOL, my monitor goes black and I have to hit CTRL+ALT+F7 to get back to my Desktop
[06:11] <m4v3rick_> vge: u mean it does ping?
[06:11] <ricanelite> I dont know to be honest with you because I just installed it but cannot get anything displayed
[06:11] <vge> m4v3rick_: it pings the own ip sure
[06:11] <n8k99> ricanelite: that's because it sets up a new dep on C+A+f8
[06:11] <n8k99> erm, desktop
[06:12] <ricanelite> they have told me I could edit the display file i think and add in my screen resolution
[06:12] <n8k99> yes you have to do that
[06:12] <n8k99> otherwise it will not display properly
[06:12] <m4v3rick_> can u ping the router...
[06:12] <ricanelite> okay thats my problem, I have no idea how to
[06:12] <m4v3rick_> ?
[06:12] <ricanelite> I'm new to all of this
[06:12] <m4v3rick_> vge: can u ping the rouer?
[06:12] <n8k99> !mol
[06:12] <ubotu> mol is MacOnLinux. For a complete howto, visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacOnLinuxHowto
[06:13] <n8k99> that was mostly for me ;)
[06:13] <vge> no, nor it gives me ip with dhcp, nor i can ping other computer if i directly connect two computers with crossover cable
[06:13] <m4v3rick_> okay try this
[06:14] <m4v3rick_> vge: type this in command line: sudo ifdown eth0
[06:14] <n8k99> ricanelite: how comfortable are you with the command line?
[06:14] <vge> m4v3rick_: and?
[06:14] <bertugolu> hello....i updated from ubuntu dapper to kubuntu edgy....and when i configure the X, it says that it is broken or something, what can i do
[06:14] <m4v3rick_> vge: this should turn off the connection (if it exists :D )
[06:14] <m4v3rick_> vge: sudo ifup eth0
[06:14] <vge> i have done that n+1 times now :/
[06:14] <vge> no effect
[06:14] <m4v3rick_> and see if it graps ip addres and all the configurations from the router
[06:15] <m4v3rick_> vge: i mean see wht's the response...
[06:15] <ricanelite> well i could follow the steps with no problem
[06:15] <m4v3rick_> vge: :S
[06:15] <ricanelite> I just like to ask questions well im doing it because I want to learn
[06:15] <m4v3rick_> vge: i know it sounds frustrating, but are u sure of ur cable?
[06:15] <ricanelite> thats why I want to use Linux because I want to learn more about the Operating System
[06:16] <vge> m4v3rick_: it sends request for dhcp ip, but cant get
[06:16] <m4v3rick_> ooh yes i forgot
[06:16] <n8k99> ricanelite: naturally! ^_^
[06:16] <m4v3rick_> vge: weired
[06:16] <vge> m4v3rick_: but my laptop under dhcp works fine :/
[06:16] <bertugolu> SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:17] <n8k99> bertugolu: what seems to be the problem?
[06:17] <bertugolu> emm
[06:17] <bertugolu> i want to install the ati drivers...but i want to see if the drivers are in the xorg
[06:17] <bertugolu> when i try to configure the X from konsole...it says that it is brokem
[06:17] <vge> m4v3rick_: im sure about the cable and nic's (have tried 2 now) both work under windows atleast
[06:18] <bertugolu> what can i do
[06:18] <bertugolu> ??
[06:18] <n8k99> hmmm...
[06:18] <bertugolu> i need to reinstall the X or something.. dunno
[06:19] <m4v3rick_> vge: am clueless
[06:19] <bertugolu> Oh! btw, when i downloaded the updates, the updater crashed @ 50-60%
[06:19] <bertugolu> the adept
[06:19] <foodcoman> n8k99: would this work from booting from cd to shell?  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:19] <bertugolu> tried that
[06:19] <bertugolu> it says broken or something
[06:20] <bertugolu> i think i just reinstall kubuntu...
[06:20] <n8k99> foodcoman: would what work?
[06:20] <macoxp> hey guys what is the ubuntu ipconfig command?
[06:20] <n8k99> sorry_ got distracted my 18monthold just woke up
[06:20] <vge> ifconfig
[06:20] <bertugolu> ifcongif
[06:20] <TheGateKeeper> ifconfif
[06:20] <foodcoman> bertugolu: Did under Dapper when they broke desktop the last KDE upgrade
[06:20] <bertugolu> ifconfig
[06:21] <foodcoman> n8k99: Sorry that last was for you.
[06:21] <bertugolu> i reconfigured the x normally  @ dapper
[06:21] <TheGateKeeper> yep I typoed too :-(
[06:21] <bertugolu> but i had ubuntu
[06:21] <Ichi> hi
[06:21] <bertugolu> not kubunti
[06:21] <foodcoman> bertugolu: Hope Kubuntu reinstall fixed it.
[06:21] <m4v3rick_> !ipconfig
[06:21] <n8k99> foodcoman: that would probaly work
[06:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <bertugolu> i just try
[06:21] <bertugolu> !ifconfig
[06:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <m4v3rick_> loool...ipconfog:D
[06:21] <bertugolu> lol ubotu is stupid :P
[06:22] <foodcoman> m4v3rick_: shame,  windows commands to ubotu.
[06:22] <foodcoman> =)
[06:22] <bertugolu> willl try to reanstll it
[06:22] <bertugolu> ubotu *bang*
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bang* - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <bertugolu> lofl
[06:22] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hey, how are things going
[06:23] <norro> hey guys
[06:24] <norro> does anyone of you guys know, if there is a repository out there to get firefox 2.0 for kubuntu with apt?
[06:24] <Zerb_Riss> norro: dunno, but probably
[06:25] <m4v3rick_> am out, tschuss
[06:25] <Zerb_Riss> norro: you could just use this
[06:25] <Zerb_Riss> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248158
[06:26] <norro> Zerb_Riss i googled for it, but couldn't find it. Any trick, where to look for this?
[06:26] <Zerb_Riss> once Firefox 2.0 is released it will be rolled out in the updates pretty quick
[06:26] <Zerb_Riss> Firefox updates are high priority updates, at least
[06:28] <norro> okay, so firefox 2.0 will probably be shipped with apt in dapper when available?
[06:28] <Zerb_Riss> sure
[06:28] <Zerb_Riss> I have it installed right now, it wasn't very difficult
[06:28] <Zerb_Riss> that script makes it pretty easy
[06:28] <Zerb_Riss> if it still works
[06:28] <TheGateKeeper> norro: may be in edge idk
[06:29] <norro> hmm, okay. thank you guys
[06:29] <Zerb_Riss> np :)
[06:30] <macoxp> hey can someone help me set up my wireless network connection to be static ip,
[06:31] <macoxp> i could do it in windows but this is asking for more info  then windows did
[06:34] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: hey
[06:34] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: there is a config file you need to edit
[06:34] <macoxp> bobesponja: hey dude
[06:35] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: wrong name
[06:35] <reon> Is there a server CD besides the alternate cd ???
[06:35] <BonBonTheJon> reon: yes
[06:35] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: no i'm useing wireless assistant
[06:35] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: what do i put in domain i never had to do that in windows
[06:36] <reon> BonBonTheJon: I cannot find it as a current build for edgy. Can I do a server/base install from alternate
[06:36] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: where are you looking
[06:36] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: and in broadcast what goes there
[06:36] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: wireless assistant
[06:36] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: trying to get static ip
[06:37] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i know what to put in everything else from windows but domain and broadcast are new things i did not have to fill out b4
[06:38] <hammer> hi!
[06:39] <myllymaa> how can hub prevent NIC to get a ip? it dont do that for 3 other computers, just this one :/
[06:39] <BonBonTheJon> ping
[06:39] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: can you read this
[06:39] <hammer> is there any packages for (k)ubuntu for circuit modelling and analysing?
[06:39] <hammer> *are
[06:39] <macoxp> yes i can read it
[06:39] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: sorry, my connection went funky
[06:40] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: it's cool
[06:40] <Skrot> Hi. Is there a way linux can read how many memory-chips I've got and how big they are?
[06:40] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: basically i need a static ip on my locla network inorder to use bittorrent with any speed
[06:41] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: on your router can you assign IPs with DHCP
[06:41] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: on mine, it gives a static IP based on MAC address
[06:42] <BonBonTheJon> reon: I agree, I can't find a Edgy Server CD
[06:42] <BonBonTheJon> reon: edgy isnt officially released yet, but you could install with dapper and upgrade it
[06:42] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: on my old one i could but not my new one
[06:42] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: what router?
[06:43] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: network everywhere somthing or other
[06:43] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: the broadcast ip is the first three parts of the regular ip, and then 255 at the end
[06:44] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: if the static is 192.168.2.50, broadcast is 192.168.2.255, I just looked mine  up
[06:44] <reon> BonBonTheJon: I found the server CD, http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/edgy/
[06:44] <BonBonTheJon> reon: cool
[06:44] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: ok then i got it all filled out but the domain
[06:44] <reon> BonBonTheJon: I already have dapper but I prefer fresh installs. Can I do a base install from the alternate cd and leave the DM out ?
[06:45] <BonBonTheJon> reon: DM?
[06:45] <reon> BonBonTheJon: desktop manager, kde/Gnome
[06:45] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i'm gonna try it without domain
[06:45] <BonBonTheJon> reon: oh, here is what I used to set up my server http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[06:46] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: yeah, try it, I don't know what to put there
[06:46] <reon> BonBonTheJon: I don't want a server as such but I need a base to work from in order to install X & kde-core. I dont want the kubuntu-desktop.
[06:47] <hammer> tell me an URL to ubuntu forum =) pls
[06:47] <BonBonTheJon> reon: oh, I guess that would work
[06:47] <Zerb_Riss> hammer: http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:47] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: google is your friend
[06:47] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: lazy i am =)
[06:48] <hammer> thx Zerb_Riss
[06:49] <Zerb_Riss> np
[06:50] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: did not work :(
[06:50] <Black_Monkey> does the kubuntu live cd try to mount existing volumes?
[06:51] <ricanelite> Everyone here uses the KDE Desktop?
[06:51] <wily> ricanelite: what is problem?
[06:51] <ricanelite> How can I get gtk-gnutella in my desktop, because the only way I could run it by typing it in the run command
[06:52] <wily> is this application running a graphic mode?
[06:52] <butcher> lol
[06:52] <butcher> ?
[06:52] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: did it give any error message
[06:52] <Zerb_Riss> is there a way to run monodevelop in KDE?
[06:53] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: just said error nothing helpful
[06:53] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: try again just typing something in the domain bo
[06:53] <macoxp> BonBonTheJon: i did :(
[06:54] <TheGateKeeper> ricanelite: use the menu editor (right click on the kicker)
[06:55] <BonBonTheJon> macoxp: how about if you just give the IP
[06:57] <ricanelite> what is the menu-editor?
[06:58] <ricanelite> please forgive me I'm new to Ubuntu and Linux
[06:58] <BonBonTheJon> ricanelite: you can edit the menu, the K at the lower left hand of the screen
[06:59] <ricanelite> I got it, I just checked my Internet Section in the Menu, and it was there
[06:59] <ricanelite> I just didn't pay attention
[06:59] <ricanelite> Im sorry...Boy! I feel dumb
[06:59] <BonBonTheJon> ricanelite: its ok, we all do stuff like that
[06:59] <ricanelite> lol
[07:01] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: hey it wouldent let me use my name lol
[07:02] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: whats your normal name
[07:02] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: realfolkblues i was just talkign to you, and b4 that macoxp but it keeps not letting me connect with the same name
[07:03] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: hey do you know how to make the play pause volume ect keys on my keyboard work?
[07:03] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: hold on I'll look up the tutorial
[07:03] <archangel_> how do I upgrade to macromedia 8?
[07:03] <BonBonTheJon> !multimedia buttons
[07:03] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: thanks
[07:04] <Zerb_Riss> archangel_: what do you mean?
[07:04] <archangel_> I cant play flash any more
[07:04] <Zerb_Riss> archangel_: can't play flash period?
[07:04] <archangel_> most website are telling me that I need the last version of macro.
[07:04] <Zerb_Riss> archangel_: ah, you'll want to install Flash 9 Beta then
[07:05] <archangel_> I cant play it, but just the sites that are version 7 and under
[07:05] <archangel_> I mean I can play it
[07:05] <liacone> !w32codecs
[07:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:05] <Zerb_Riss> archangel_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280313&highlight=flash+9
[07:05] <rico|0gl> :)
[07:05] <liacone> thanks ubotu :)
[07:05] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: here, if you have problems just ask, http://www.tannerstokes.com/2006/08/02/getting-those-multimedia-keys-to-work-in-kubuntu/
[07:06] <archangel_> thanks
[07:07] <archangel_> There are 3 links to get flash.... is one better than another?
[07:07] <Zerb_Riss> archangel_: dunno what you mean
[07:07] <Zerb_Riss> that first post has a repository you can use to install it
[07:07] <archangel_> (in the free formats link)
[07:08] <Zerb_Riss> if you want to install it manually, then just download it from Adobe Labs and copy the files to the right places
[07:08] <archangel_> I am a newbie
[07:08] <archangel_> its gotta be auto or I'm lost
[07:08] <archangel_> lol
[07:08] <Zerb_Riss> are you using Dapper?
[07:08] <archangel_> yes
[07:09] <archangel_> I have easy ubuntu....
[07:09] <Zerb_Riss> this is the easiest then
[07:09] <Zerb_Riss> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280081&highlight=flash+9
[07:09] <archangel_> is that what I need?
[07:09] <claudio__> hi
[07:09] <Zerb_Riss> so open Adept
[07:09] <Zerb_Riss> I'll walk you through this
[07:09] <claudio__> hi have installed 2.6.17.14 kernel
[07:09] <claudio__> but it stops loading
[07:09] <archangel_> ok
[07:10] <claudio__> when i start
[07:10] <claudio__> why?
[07:10] <instructor> X dies as soon as I login
[07:10] <Zerb_Riss> archangel_: in Adept go to View->Manage Respoitories
[07:10] <archangel_> adept is open
[07:10] <archangel_> ok
[07:11] <Zerb_Riss> in the New Repository box paste this: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/
[07:11] <archangel_> done
[07:11] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[07:11] <archangel_> ok...apply?
[07:11] <Zerb_Riss> hold on
[07:11] <comtechsystems> is the p4m800 chipset supported in edgy? I've got a core 2 box just waiting for an os
[07:11] <archangel_> or add
[07:11] <archangel_> ok
[07:11] <Zerb_Riss> okay click on Add
[07:11] <archangel_> ok
[07:11] <Zerb_Riss> and it should show up at the top of the list
[07:12] <Zerb_Riss> do you see that in your list?
[07:12] <archangel_> yup it is
[07:12] <Zerb_Riss> okay see where it says "comment"?
[07:12] <Zerb_Riss> in front of it?
[07:13] <archangel_> hmmmm...... no
[07:13] <Zerb_Riss> what does it say under the "Type" column?
[07:13] <archangel_> lol.... yes I do
[07:13] <archangel_> duh, sorry
[07:13] <Zerb_Riss> okay double click on it and change the text to say "deb" (no quotes)
[07:13] <archangel_> k
[07:13] <Zerb_Riss> and hit enter
[07:13] <Zerb_Riss> ah poo
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> did that remove the rest of the line for you?
[07:14] <archangel_> yup
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> lol okay
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> well double click on the empty box under URL and paste that URL again
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> and then hit enter
[07:14] <archangel_> its back
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> okay
[07:14] <Zerb_Riss> now see the Distribution column?
[07:15] <archangel_> yes
[07:15] <Zerb_Riss> double click in there and type 'dapper' (no quotes)
[07:15] <archangel_> done
[07:15] <Zerb_Riss> and then under the Components column double click and paste '3v1n0' (NO QUOTES) in there
[07:16] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: hey back did you find that tut?
[07:16] <archangel_> done
[07:16] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: stuff: here, if you have problems just ask, http://www.tannerstokes.com/2006/08/02/getting-those-multimedia-keys-to-work-in-kubuntu/
[07:16] <Zerb_Riss> okay click Apply
[07:16] <Zerb_Riss> and then Close
[07:16] <archangel_> ok
[07:16] <Zerb_Riss> now click on Fetch Updates
[07:17] <phily> need help by connecting to another server
[07:17] <archangel_> wow
[07:17] <archangel_> done
[07:17] <Zerb_Riss> did it say there is an updated flashplugin-nonfree or something?
[07:18] <phily> plz is there someone who can help me ? qry me
[07:18] <archangel_> honestly so much stuff download, I have no idea what it said, it was very fast
[07:18] <Zerb_Riss> oh that was just the updates downloading
[07:18] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: did you get that
[07:18] <Zerb_Riss> do you see the Search box?
[07:18] <archangel_> yes
[07:18] <Zerb_Riss> type flashplugin in there
[07:19] <archangel_> yes it si in there
[07:19] <Zerb_Riss> just right click on it and click on Request Install
[07:19] <B-Minus> hello
[07:19] <Zerb_Riss> and then click on "Apply Changes" at the top
[07:20] <archangel_> it says installed
[07:20] <dinosaur-rus> anyone has problems with graphics in OpenOffice's UI?
[07:20] <Zerb_Riss> did you click Apply Changes?
[07:20] <archangel_> I cant, it was already installed I guess
[07:20] <B-Minus> i have some very strange files in my init.d folder, one is named ?SVW??U?????v?????????V??$??$D$T????"????O??????$?$D?@C$t
[07:20] <B-Minus> what can i do with these files ?
[07:20] <B-Minus> delete them ?
[07:21] <Zerb_Riss> does it say "upgradeable"?
[07:21] <archangel_> only option is to remove
[07:21] <Kim^J> Can you with the Kubuntu Live Edgy cd copy the old partion (this) to the one I'm gonna create and then just boot up again?
[07:21] <Zerb_Riss> hmm that makes no sense...
[07:21] <archangel_> no just 'remove' and 'details'
[07:22] <archangel_> description says it is for macro. version 7
[07:22] <Zerb_Riss> hmm...
[07:22] <archangel_> that matter?
[07:22] <Zerb_Riss> possibly
[07:22] <Zerb_Riss> what browser are you trying to use?
[07:22] <archangel_> firefox
[07:23] <Zerb_Riss> hmm I'm going to PM you so we don't keep spamming this channel
[07:23] <archangel_> o
[07:23] <archangel_> k
[07:23] <ngirard> Hi guys,
[07:23] <ngirard> I have a problem using digikam 0.8.2rc1 on Kubuntu Dapper: the "Image->send by mail" optiondoesn't show up..... has anyone ever experienced this problem ?
[07:24] <archangel_> my lunch break is about over
[07:24] <ahmed> could i install xgl on 6.06 ?
[07:24] <archangel_> so I will have to return a little later
[07:25] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: i'm working on the tut is that what you were asking?
[07:26] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: I just wanted to know if you got the link
[07:26] <ahmed> plz mfs i wanna install 3d desktop enviroment on kubuntu 6.06
[07:26] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: yup thanks
[07:31] <instructor> anyone for some X loving? :)
[07:32] <instructor> I can't login to X
[07:32] <instructor>  it just kicks me back out to the Login Prompt
[07:33] <tsdgeos> error about /tmp something?
[07:34] <Kr4t05> Where is libmp3lame.so?
[07:34] <fdoving> Kr4t05: liblame0
[07:34] <tsdgeos> apt-file search libmp3lame.so
[07:35] <fdoving> or apt:/
[07:35] <instructor> MMMMMm Apt:/
[07:36] <fdoving> instructor: check permissions on /tmp. 'stat -c %a /tmp' from commandline.
[07:36] <instructor> percenta?
[07:37] <instructor> 1777
[07:38] <t> i've run into an issue with adept several times where a package i am trying to install (vmware-player currently) has a EULA or some other dpkg dialog that must be responded to in order to continue. Adept doesn't seem to have the ability to respond to these prompts, anyone have any idea?
[07:38] <Kr4t05> Bah...
[07:38] <instructor> t: I think there is a perl thingy that you can install. Best to use konsole
[07:39] <fdoving> t, known issue. you'll have to use aptitude or apt-get from the commandline for that.
[07:40] <instructor> fdoving: 1777
[07:40] <t> ok, i kind of figured that
[07:40] <fdoving> instructor: that's normal.
[07:40] <t> i was hoping there was some magical trick i hadn't seen
[07:41] <hastesaver> t the commandline *is* magical :)
[07:41] <instructor> fdoving: Let me update the X server and see if this continues
[07:42] <instructor> fdoving: nope didn't make a difference
[07:43] <instructor> ok let me try dpkg-reconfigure again
[07:43] <fdoving> instructor: can you find some error message at the end of ~/.xsession-errors ?
[07:45] <TheGateKeeper> t: there is use synaptic instead of adept, at least you can press on a button that will open the terminal up and then you can respond
[07:48] <instructor> fdoving: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
[07:48] <hastesaver> instructor, how are you starting X, BTW?
[07:48] <therealjvz> okay, MASSIVE problem here whilst installing Kubuntu
[07:49] <instructor> alt+ctrl+bkspace
[07:49] <therealjvz> I [naively]  thought that editting all my partitions EXCEPT for the /home partition would, y'know, NOT EFFING TOUCH the /home partition
[07:49] <jende_> Howdy
[07:49] <instructor> Huh it works now
[07:49] <jende_> therealjvz: whats the prob?
[07:49] <instructor> Thanks guys :-)
[07:50] <therealjvz> but apparently my /home partition is, uh, corrupted, or something
[07:50] <therealjvz> not even viewable
[07:50] <therealjvz> I tried doing an e2fsck on it (it's an ext3 partition), yet that partition isn't showing anything in it anymore...
[07:50] <BonBonTheJon> does anyone know anyone know about networks?
[07:51] <draik> Hello everyone.
[07:51] <jende_> therealjvz: how familiar are you with the bash?
[07:51] <draik> Is there a way to change the name of files all at once?
[07:51] <therealjvz> so, any help in recovering this partition would be appreciated
[07:51] <therealjvz> jende_: very
[07:51] <draik> I have many images that I would like to rename
[07:52] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know the mencoder string to convery WMA to mp3?
[07:52] <jende_> therealjvz: I'd say, you should give the chroot a try
[07:52] <therealjvz> draik: if you want to use the console, you can use the rename program
[07:52] <draik> Just to rename them in order (pic0001.jpg - picXXXX.jpg)
[07:52] <Kr4t05> The manpage for mencoder doesn't really leave me with much to work with.
[07:52] <draik> therealjvz, how do I do that?
[07:52] <therealjvz> Kr4t05: did you check the HTML docs for it?
[07:53] <Kr4t05> Where at?
[07:53] <therealjvz> draik: if you know regexp, you can simply use rename like "rename 's/foo/bar/' *.jpg"
[07:53] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: hey i got it working :D
[07:53] <hastesaver> Kr4t05, a quick and easy way is to dump it to .wav first and then use lame to encode it
[07:53] <BonBonTheJon> stuff: good
[07:53] <draik> I don't know regexp, therealjvz
[07:53] <therealjvz> Kr4t05: mplayerhq.hu or maybe /usr/share/doc/mplayer/
[07:53] <hastesaver> Kr4t05, or you can read the docs :)
[07:53] <therealjvz> draik: well, what do you want to do? how do you want to rename things?
[07:54] <stuff> BonBonTheJon: now if only i could fix my monitor referech rate
[07:54] <therealjvz> jende_: what do you mean?
[07:54] <draik> therealjvz, I want to rename all the pictures that I have as pic0001.jpg all the way to the last image being picXXXX.jpg
[07:55] <therealjvz> draik: what do you want to rename them to?
[07:55] <hastesaver> draik, get the package krename
[07:55] <BonBonTheJon> draik: look into krename
[07:55] <claudio__> hi have installed 2.6.17.14 kernel
[07:55] <therealjvz> or do what he said
[07:55] <claudio__> but it stops loading
[07:55] <draik> hastesaver, thanks
[07:55] <claudio__> why?
[07:55] <hastesaver> therealjvz, no, I think they currently have random names and he wants them to be named sequentially
[07:55] <draik> BonBonTheJon, thank you too
[07:55] <therealjvz> hastesaver: then your idea would work best
[07:55] <draik> hastesaver, that is the idea. Thank you for the suggestion. Is it in the regular repos?
[07:56] <therealjvz> draik: probably in universe since everything seems to be there instead of main
[07:56] <hastesaver> draik, yes, it's in universe
[07:56] <draik> perfect, got it
[07:56] <draik> Thank you therealjvz for your time. Thank you hastesaver for the app suggestion.
[07:57] <therealjvz> no prob
[07:57] <timon> Priveeeeeeet!
[07:57] <therealjvz> anyways, I've got an issue with data recovery that seems to have been caused by QtParted in the Kubuntu install CD
[07:57] <draik> Ok, how do I run krename?
[07:57] <therealjvz> Alt+F2 -> type "krename"
[07:57] <therealjvz> that probably works
[07:57] <BonBonTheJon> draik: it should appear in the menu
[07:57] <hammer> medved
[07:58] <timon> zai4eg ?
[07:58] <hammer> !ru > hammer
[07:58] <hammer> !ru > timon
[07:58] <draik> not in my menu, checking with ALT+F2
[07:59] <hastesaver> draik, you have to install it first. (Start Adept...)
[07:59] <therealjvz> I tried deleting all the partitions from my disk except /home and then re-created new partitions using that space
[07:59] <draik> hastesaver, I installed it through    sudo apt-get install krename
[07:59] <timon> kak ustanovit' icq na ebanutii kde
[07:59] <timon> ?
[08:00] <therealjvz> but now my /home partition doesn't seem to be accessible
[08:00] <therealjvz> what gives?
[08:00] <hastesaver> draik, ok :-)  It's the "Utilities" menu for me
[08:00] <BonBonTheJon> can someone who knows networks look over a edubuntu handbook page for me
[08:01] <draik> hastesaver, Not in there for me. Not yet anyway.
[08:01] <hammer> timon: sudo apt-get install licq
[08:01] <hastesaver> draik, are you sure it installed fine? Did apt-get give any errors?
[08:01] <therealjvz> timon: or use kopete :)
[08:01] <hammer> kopete suxx =)
[08:01] <therealjvz> :(
[08:01] <draik> hastesaver, no issues. I am using it ATM through  ALT+F2 "krename"
[08:02] <hammer> therealjvz: imho =)
[08:02] <Kr4t05> draik: you could use a loop (a self-referencing if/else statement, even) in a shell script.
[08:02] <therealjvz> draik: the menu entry should appear eventually...
[08:02] <therealjvz> any ideas on my problem?
[08:02] <IceDigger> finally got fglrx installed on kubuntu on my x800gto agp :D
[08:03] <therealjvz> is it possible to scan my /dev/hda device to find my old partitions and recreate those?
[08:04] <therealjvz> or do I need to take my hdd to a data recovery shop now?
[08:04] <jende_> therealjvz: can you mount your /home once you booted from a LiveCD and went into a chroot environment?
[08:04] <therealjvz> jende_: what chroot environment?
[08:04] <draik> therealjvz, Yeah. I'm not too worried about when it shows up since I know it's installed and operational
[08:04] <IceDigger> is there a way to install xgl on the 6.10?
[08:05] <therealjvz> jende_: I repartitioned everything EXCEPT for /home, yet I can't access my /home partition (assuming it's /dev/hda5 since it matches the size of the original partition when viewed in parted)
[08:06] <hammer> where do i find moodin splash screen manager?
[08:06] <jende_> therealjvz: sorry, I misunderstood you. Have you got a tool such as Paragon HD-Manager
[08:06] <therealjvz> is the QtParted included in Kubuntu Edgy rc like, really fucking buggy?
[08:06] <therealjvz> jende_: no, just Linux (might have a copy of Partition Magic lying around somewhere though)
[08:07] <jende_> therealjvz: that might worth looking for and give that a go
[08:07] <bitsneaky> anyone have a fix for a wifi card that wont work: Linksys WMP54G 802.11g 54Mbps Wireless PCI Adapter
[08:08] <hammer> where do i find moodin splash screen manager?
[08:08] <jontec> how do I setup a command prompt only version of kubuntu?
[08:09] <IceDigger> amarok can't play my flac files
[08:09] <IceDigger> or mp3s
[08:09] <jende_> !flac
[08:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:09] <jende_> !mp3
[08:09] <IceDigger> thanks
[08:09] <jontec> !libxine-extracodecs
[08:09] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[08:10] <jende_> therealjvz: I could give Paragin to ya, but the Version I've got is german
[08:10] <jontec> ^^install that for mp3s
[08:10] <therealjvz> jende_: argh, that won't help me, I don't know german :P
[08:10] <jende_> therealjvz: I thought so...bugger
[08:10] <therealjvz> jende_: do you know what I can do to get that partition back?
[08:11] <therealjvz> I know that ALL I did was remove the OTHER partitions (all managed via LVM if that helps) and tried creating new partitions
[08:11] <therealjvz> I don't even know if it wrote the partitions correctly
[08:11] <jende_> therealjvz: the only thing I really can think of is PartitionMagic or anything like that
[08:11] <therealjvz> can I recover my old partitions that way?
[08:12] <jende_> therealjvz: you should be able to backup at least your /home
[08:12] <jende_> therealjvz: and if possible to recreate your old partitions
[08:12] <therealjvz> I don't know what happened to it though
[08:13] <therealjvz> all I did was modify data that wasn't /home, and now /home doesn't work...
[08:13] <jende_> therealjvz: me neither, and I'm now quite clueless. Sorry, m8
[08:14] <jende_> therealjvz: maybe some debian gurus can helpl?
[08:14] <jende_> therealjvz: #debian
[08:14] <jende_> therealjvz: ask them, they helped me once
[08:14] <therealjvz> hmm, alright
[08:14] <jontec> oh god.
[08:14] <jontec> no don't go there.
[08:14] <therealjvz> but they're totally on a different irc server btw
[08:14] <jontec> they will kill you
[08:14] <therealjvz> jontec: why?
[08:15] <jende_> jontec: they wont
[08:15] <jontec> they did to me one night.
[08:15] <jontec> and I've never been back
[08:15] <jontec> O_o I was even having a problem with their software
[08:15] <jende_> jontec: I#m quite often there ans on the ML, too and as yet, hadn't had any dramas at all with them
[08:15] <jontec> using their usb boot thing
[08:15] <ketsugi> Is there any way to get Katapult to play nice with XGL/Beryl?
[08:16] <jontec> the debian channel here on freenode
[08:16] <ketsugi> I get this ugly whitish border around the katapult launcher
[08:16] <therealjvz> jontec: how long ago was this?
[08:16] <jontec> about... maybe a month or so ago
[08:16] <jende_> I've been there just last week
[08:16] <jende_> and yesterday
[08:16] <therealjvz> well, I don't know how long ago this happened, but #debian and all the other channels moved to irc.oftc.net
[08:16] <jontec> I was trying to get my stupid laptop (64MB memory and pretty broken CD-rom) to work
[08:18] <jontec> well adios you guys, I'm trying my hand with some vmware things.
[08:18] <jende_> therealjvz: good on ya, one of the few who noticed that they moved
[08:18] <therealjvz> besides all the debian users who frequented #debian of course
[08:19] <jende_> therealjvz: like penguinslair
[08:19] <hazard2> can kwallet be set to let kopte run without having to enter the wallet password?
[08:19] <jende_> therealjvz: they moved as well
[08:20] <birdfish> Hey guys, for some reason when I booted the laptop this morning and tried to connect to the network, wireless assistant told me that it couldn't find the wireless interface.
[08:20] <birdfish> Anyone know why this might be?  I was using it just fine last night.
[08:20] <jende_> therealjvz: see ya in a lil while, have to get some food
[08:23] <campbch> anyone know how to get printers working over the network? our university controls printers through //apollo/<printer name> but i can't access anything... all windoze machines just detect them automatically. anything i should do?
[08:25] <IceDigger> how do I sync my pocket pc dell axim x51v with kubuntu?
[08:25] <hammer> !moodin
[08:25] <ubotu> moodin is a ksplash theme engine, enabled by default in Kubuntu Dapper, and you can grab it for Breezy here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705
[08:25] <hammer> how to change splash screen in kde?
[08:26] <campbch> has anyone else had experience with installing printers over the network?
[08:26] <TheGateKeeper> campbch: well this is just a *guess*, but maybe installing samba will help idk
[08:26] <campbch> i have samba
[08:26] <campbch> :(
[08:26] <TheGateKeeper> well I said it was a gues :-)
[08:27] <campbch> :D
[08:27] <therealjvz> campbch: I have experience setting up cups printers :P
[08:27] <campbch> how do i know how to set it up?
[08:28] <campbch> i have a working windows machine 6 inches away, would i be able to see settings from that?
[08:29] <BambiX> Hi all
[08:30] <BambiX> I installed the r128 drivers and now during boot when X starts it hangs up
[08:30] <narasim_7> hello.when i set the power saving time in the display preferences,it always defaults to 2 hrs after i login again..any clues?
[08:30] <BambiX> how do i roll back the drivers
[08:30] <Kr4t05> Bah.... How can I get k3b to support WMA?
[08:31] <joakim> is it anybody so have wolfenstein ET ?
[08:31] <campbch> first off, will networked printers work with CUPS?
[08:31] <joakim> when i ry to run sh et and start the game than i got ERROR
[08:31] <joakim> joakim@joakim-Home:~/Mine Dokumenter/Spill/Wolfenstein/Install$ ls
[08:31] <campbch> the rest of the 3000 laptops on the network connect through windows
[08:32] <joakim> CHANGES  etded.x86  et.run  ET.xpm                                openurl.sh
[08:32] <joakim> Docs     etmain     et.x86  EULA_Wolfenstein_Enemy_Territory.txt  pb
[08:32] <joakim> joakim@joakim-Home:~/Mine Dokumenter/Spill/Wolfenstein/Install$ sh et.run
[08:32] <joakim> If you read this, then something failed during the setup
[08:32] <joakim> See http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/ for troubleshooting
[08:32] <joakim> joakim@joakim-Home:~/Mine Dokumenter/Spill/Wolfenstein/Install$
[08:36] <BambiX> can someone please help me?
[08:36] <hammer> stsuko...
[08:37] <campbch> :D i thik i got it
[08:37] <Zerb_Riss> not if we don't know your question, BambiX
[08:37] <BambiX> i need to uninstall the r128 driver
[08:38] <BambiX> kubuntu won't boot =(
[08:38] <BambiX> well it'll boot with command line
[08:38] <BambiX> but no flashy kde
[08:38] <therealjvz> okay then
[08:38] <Zerb_Riss> okay
[08:38] <BambiX> okay
[08:38] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[08:38] <BambiX> =)
[08:38] <therealjvz> you can remove it via apt-get
[08:38] <BambiX> so.... what do i do
[08:38] <BambiX> aaah ok
[08:38] <therealjvz> I don't know the name of the package
[08:38] <BambiX> not sure it's a package
[08:39] <BambiX> ehm
[08:39] <therealjvz> r128 driver would be a package
[08:39] <BambiX> wait i had to make three .deb packages
[08:39] <therealjvz> as long as you're using xorg 7.x
[08:39] <BambiX> from the ati driversset
[08:39] <Zerb_Riss> this sounds bad already :)
[08:39] <BambiX> oh man, i hope not
[08:40] <juanjo> hi everyone i'm juan from argentina
[08:40] <BambiX> ok i downloaded linux drivers and created three .deb packages from the ati files with help from here, then i installed those and now I',m borked, can i just deinstall em?
[08:40] <BambiX> apt-get remove?
[08:41] <juanjo> i want to know what is the user and pass for cups in kubuntu, because i wan to install an HP PSC and i can't
[08:41] <Jon335> My Kubuntu is hanging on bootup. The last thing it says is: Restarting system log...     ok
[08:41] <campbch> :D i just figured out the cups thing
[08:41] <campbch> it turns out
[08:41] <juanjo> sorry campbch, i did not understand what you've said
[08:41] <cpk2> wow
[08:41] <Zerb_Riss> BambiX: probably dpkg -r <packagename>
[08:42] <cpk2> do NOT leave qdvdauthor open for a whole weekend
[08:42] <campbch> if you have a user/pass for the server you need to type that, IE on my university server /apollo/ the same user/pass for the main site
[08:42] <BambiX> zerb ok
[08:42] <campbch> cpk2: result?
[08:42] <juanjo> ok, i'll try that
[08:42] <juanjo> thanks
[08:42] <campbch> otherwise if its a local printer the user/pass for cups should be the admin usr/pass
[08:43] <campbch> is it over a server or local?
[08:43] <cpk2> campbch: near death of desktop, after waiting for qdvdauthor to stop for a minute or 2 everything seems ok now =P
[08:43] <juanjo> its a printer that runs on a winxp computer
[08:43] <campbch> seems ok now :D
[08:43] <campbch> ok
[08:43] <campbch> start the printer config
[08:43] <cpk2> campbch: I was having trouble redrawing desktops when i switched even
[08:43] <juanjo> and i put root and my pass but don work
[08:43] <campbch> ok one sec.
[08:43] <Jon335> Can anyone help me?
[08:44] <juanjo> via cups on the web browser
[08:44] <campbch> ok, you need to say add printer/class
[08:44] <juanjo> ok, i'll wait
[08:44] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: not if we don't know your problem
[08:44] <campbch> so Add--> printer/class
[08:44] <Jon335> My Kubuntu is hanging on bootup. The last thing it says is: Restarting system log...     ok
[08:44] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[08:44] <campbch> it shouldn't ask for a  password by default
[08:44] <Zerb_Riss> did you just upgrade?
[08:44] <campbch> juanjo: got it?
[08:45] <juanjo> i click on add printer first
[08:45] <campbch> yep then next
[08:45] <campbch> now
[08:45] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, I just upgraded ktorrent
[08:45] <campbch> if it's running on the network, off of an xp machine, it'll be shared over samba
[08:45] <mhterres> hello everybody
[08:45] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: what happens if you Ctrl+Alt+F2?
[08:45] <juanjo> yeah, i know that
[08:45] <Jon335> I get a login prompt
[08:46] <Jon335> ????
[08:46] <campbch> if you don't need to log in to your other computer, you just leave it anonymous
[08:46] <Zerb_Riss> I would try logging in and removing ktorrent
[08:46] <mock> hello
[08:46] <Zerb_Riss> then try to reboot and see if it works
[08:46] <juanjo> i need to log
[08:46] <campbch> but if that machine needs your username/pass then use the one for that computer
[08:46] <Zerb_Riss> if you get back in kubuntu then try reinstalling ktorrent
[08:46] <juanjo> ok
[08:46] <juanjo> i have to write smb://user@mymachine/myresource?
[08:47] <campbch> shouldn't need to...
[08:47] <campbch> for example, my unversity name/pass were used to log in to the university-run print server
[08:48] <campbch> so just your simple user name and pass would work for the xp machine
[08:48] <campbch> Login:XPname Pass: XPpass
[08:49] <juanjo> where it says Ubicacion (location in english) i have tu write that?
[08:49] <campbch> no la veo :( donde se dice?
[08:50] <campbch> did you find the printer?
[08:50] <hydra__> ok
[08:50] <hydra__> so I've got kubuntu installed
[08:50] <campbch> isn't it wonderful?
[08:51] <silentme> hi there... i just got kubuntu installed :)
[08:51] <juanjo> sorry, not "ubicacion" it's "URI de la  conexion"
[08:51] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, It still does not start X.
[08:51] <hydra__> now, can someone tell me what's up with dragging windows.  it seems if i click (and hold the left button) on a title bar and then move the mouse pointer up or down the window won't drag
[08:51] <campbch> what does your config box say?
[08:51] <coreymon77> guys
[08:52] <hydra__> if i click and hold and then move left or right the window starts to move shortly afterwards aslong as the pointer remains in the titlebar
[08:52] <coreymon77> i need some help with registering an openPGP key
[08:52] <coreymon77> with launchpad
[08:52] <juanjo> it is written "smb" on a text box
[08:52] <hydra__> can someone tell me how to "fix" it so that it works like any other system's window dragging/sizing
[08:52] <coreymon77> i got the whole fingerprint thing and entered it into the box
[08:52] <campbch> should hit SMB shared printer (next) user/pass (next) hit scan, find the printer, select it, and it will go as long as your user and password are good
[08:53] <juanjo> at 3rd step of the "ADD PRINTER"
[08:53] <coreymon77> now launchpad sent me a gibberish email and said i had to decrypt it
[08:53] <campbch> is there a tree for the network?
[08:53] <coreymon77> i dont understand how to decrypt it
[08:53] <campbch> it should say MSHOME or something, where your xp machine will be located
[08:53] <iolos> kalispera
[08:53] <coreymon77> and the howtos i have been told to look at just confuse me more
[08:53] <campbch> hit that, and find your other machine
[08:53] <coreymon77> so can someone please help me
[08:54] <campbch> then select the machine and hit next
[08:54] <iolos> 3 erwtiseis
[08:54] <iolos> 1 pws kanw mount skliro
[08:54] <iolos> 2 pws vazw codecs gia mp3 kai video
[08:54] <iolos> 3 odigos gia xdl?
[08:54] <hydra__> sizing a window is similar, there's a huge delay before i can acutally move the mouse otherwise the drag operation isn't recognised
[08:54] <campbch> if it's not showing up the same, then i don't know what to say :( you might have a different thing installed or something
[08:54] <coreymon77> can anyone please help me?
[08:55] <iolos> hi!
[08:55] <iolos> how do i mount a hdd?
[08:55] <juanjo> campbch, thanks for your help, I think it was easier but it'll take me some time, thanks a lot for your help but i've got to go
[08:55] <therealjvz> iolos: via the command line?
[08:55] <campbch> mount /dev/hda, hdb, etc
[08:55] <iolos> yes
[08:55] <campbch> alright, good luck juan
[08:55] <hydra__> brb
[08:56] <Jon335> startx just coughs about the virtual height and dies.
[08:56] <juanjo> i'll try later with your advices!
[08:56] <therealjvz> bah, no good help from oftc#debian
[08:56] <juanjo> thnaks a lot! bye!
[08:56] <therealjvz> the main idea was to recreate the partition
[08:56] <campbch> ack!
[08:56] <therealjvz> but I can't find where the partition starts
[08:56] <therealjvz> I tried using a program call gpart that searches for possible partitions
[08:56] <therealjvz> and even though I might have found the partition
[08:56] <campbch> why does my tray keep resizing to one line?
[08:57] <therealjvz> I tried recreating it
[08:57] <campbch> it is supposed to be :::not - - -
[08:57] <therealjvz> and e2fsck still can't find the backup superblock
[08:57] <campbch> and it changes whenever it feels like it
[08:57] <LjL> ouch, lost partitions
[08:57] <Lynoure> campbch: all the time or when using Opera?
[08:58] <hydra__> there seems to be something called "drag start time" in system settings/keyboard and mouse/mouse/advanced
[08:58] <hydra__> but they don't make any difference
[08:58] <hydra__> are they supposed to work?
[08:58] <campbch> all the time
[08:58] <campbch> i dont use opera
[08:58] <hydra__> do I have to restart - god forbid that I have to resart a linux system, oh the sacrilidge
[08:59] <LjL> therealjvz, i just joined, but just for the record, i know there is a package called testdisk in the repos that tries to help restoring partitions
[08:59] <therealjvz> I'll try that
[08:59] <campbch> if i switch to large, they go back to two rows, and when i switch back to normal they stay in two rows, but once in a while they will pop back out to one row horizontal :(
[08:59] <therealjvz> it's in universe I'd assume?
[09:01] <LjL> think so
[09:01] <LjL> !info testdisk
[09:01] <ubotu> testdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.1-1 (dapper), package size 386 kB, installed size 1124 kB
[09:01] <therealjvz> gah, everything's in universe...
[09:01] <therealjvz> main should be renamed to "earth"
[09:01] <LjL> heh
[09:01] <therealjvz> it thinks it has everything, but in reality only has like .0000000000001% of it
[09:02] <LjL> well main is really just the packages directly mantained by the ubuntu core devs -- that is, the packages thare are on the CDs, and other very well-known packages such as apache, mysql, postgres, etc
[09:03] <Jon335> Is there a bootlog mode for Kubuntu?
[09:03] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: did you remove ktorrent?
[09:03] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, Yes
[09:03] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: didn't work?
[09:04] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, It still doesn't start X
[09:04] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: can you start it manually?
[09:04] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, startx just coughs about the virtual height and dies.
[09:04] <Zerb_Riss> are you sure you didn't upgrade to Edgy?
[09:05] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, Nope, I would know, and it says Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS on the terminal
[09:05] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[09:06] <Zerb_Riss> what happens if you sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop?
[09:06] <Ropechoborra> How do i install xgl on kde?
[09:06] <therealjvz> I guess it's a good thing I have my privates keys backed up...
[09:07] <Zerb_Riss> arg
[09:07] <Zerb_Riss> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[09:07] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, It wants to install that and a bunch of dependencies
[09:07] <Zerb_Riss> yah I think you're missing them
[09:07] <Zerb_Riss> you use KDE, right?
[09:08] <Jon335> That's why I'm running Kubuntu
[09:08] <Zerb_Riss> well I just wanted to make sure you weren't in here asking about Gnome, lol :)
[09:08] <Jon335> lol
[09:08] <campbch> see? it did it again
[09:08] <campbch> the tray won't stay the way i put it in two rows, not one row
[09:09] <Zerb_Riss> so yah, you need the kubuntu-desktop package and all it's dependencies
[09:09] <campbch> it's such a waste of space
[09:09] <Zerb_Riss> you must have removed them sometime
[09:11] <campbch> is anyone else having this problem? something is stopping my tray from maintaining 2 rows of x columns, and keeps flattening out horizontally
[09:11] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, It's still not working
[09:11] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: you got all those packages?
[09:11] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, yes
[09:12] <Jon335> and rebooted
[09:12] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: what does startx give you now?
[09:12] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, the same error
[09:13] <joakim> hi how can i find my sound card ? is use oss  or alsa
[09:13] <Zerb_Riss> Jon335: is kdm running?
[09:14] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, I ran it, but startx still doesn't work
[09:15] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[09:15] <Zerb_Riss> that makes no sense
[09:15] <Zerb_Riss> same error?
[09:15] <Jon335> yes
[09:15] <Zerb_Riss> http://rafb.net/paste paste the error
[09:16] <snake666> somebody can  help me
[09:18] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, http://rafb.net/paste/results/bNmkUi54.html
[09:18] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[09:18] <Zerb_Riss> is your resolution screwed up?
[09:19] <Zerb_Riss> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[09:19] <Zerb_Riss> oop
[09:19] <Zerb_Riss> got it backwards
[09:20] <Zerb_Riss> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:24] <Jon335> Zerb_Riss, Thanks! THAT WORKED
[09:24] <Zerb_Riss> w00t :D
[09:25] <Zerb_Riss> happy to help :)
[09:28] <snake666> zerb_riss
[09:28] <snake666> you suck
[09:28] <Zerb_Riss> huh?
[09:28] <Zerb_Riss> oh you messaged me some more
[09:28] <Zerb_Riss> I don't know what you mean
[09:28] <Zerb_Riss> what do you want to set eth0 and eth1 to?
[09:29] <snake666>  <Zerb_Riss> happy to help :)
[09:29] <snake666> layer
[09:29] <Zerb_Riss> layer?
[09:29] <hazard2> liar, later?
[09:29] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:29] <Dark_Vampire> !de
[09:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:29] <snake666> lol
[09:29] <hazard2> 'bad request or meaning'
[09:29] <Zerb_Riss> snake666: what exactly is your problem?
[09:29] <snake666> eth0
[09:30] <Zerb_Riss> what's wrong with it?
[09:30] <hazard2> If he knew that, we could solve it.
[09:30] <snake666> you dont know what it is_
[09:30] <Zerb_Riss> eth0 is your network
[09:30] <snake666> sure
[09:30] <Zerb_Riss> a NIC card
[09:30] <hazard2> Your first network card.
[09:31] <snake666> eth1
[09:31] <hazard2> (unless you name it soemthing else)
[09:31] <snake666> second
[09:31] <Zerb_Riss> yah
[09:31] <Zerb_Riss> two different network cards
[09:31] <snake666> i know
[09:31] <hazard2> is the name of the second (uluess you name it potatoes or something)
[09:31] <Zerb_Riss> snake666: so what is the problem you are having?
[09:31] <VirteX> I'm having a huge Issue with Grub, it freezes durring loading... no errors, nothing, i've re-installed kubuntu, re-installed grub, it just gets to "Loading..." and sits there forever
[09:31] <snake666> just asking you
[09:32] <snake666> what ip configuration do you have for eth1
[09:32] <ubuntu> Is kubuntu live just like Kubuntu?
[09:32] <Zerb_Riss> I dont' have an eth1 in my comptuer
[09:32] <hazard2> I have eth1 in one of my machines.
[09:32] <snake666> so
[09:32] <hazard2> Buttons?
[09:32] <keltoume> hello
[09:32] <hazard2> hi!
[09:33] <Zerb_Riss> ubuntu: yes, the live CD of Kubuntu is exactly the same as Kubuntu
[09:33] <snake666> if a have eth1
[09:33] <snake666> how i can route
[09:33] <snake666> eth0 to eth1
[09:33] <hazard2> gramitical construct failure.
[09:34] <snake666> hazard2
[09:34] <snake666> go fuck yourself
[09:34] <keltoume> i m on a laptop  > i switch to kubuntu from ubuntu but now no action when a want to decrease or increase the volume with  fn+f7 or fn+F8
[09:34] <snake666> lamer
[09:34] <birdfish> Hey guys, why isn't the kubuntu installer allowing me to create my partitions with the xfs filesystem?
[09:34] <keltoume> any idea ?
[09:34] <Zerb_Riss> birdfish: I don't believe gparted supports XFS
[09:34] <Zerb_Riss> not sure
[09:34] <Zerb_Riss> err
[09:34] <Zerb_Riss> qparted I guess
[09:35] <birdfish> Well, it lists xfs, but perhaps it doesn't
[09:35] <birdfish> Should I go with jfs?
[09:35] <Zerb_Riss> hmm weird
[09:35] <birdfish> And is it any better than ext3?
[09:35] <hazard2> ext3 has been fine for me
[09:35] <Zerb_Riss> I dunno
[09:35] <Zerb_Riss> XFS and resier are faster than ext3
[09:35] <cpk2> isnt jfs for large files?
[09:35] <Zerb_Riss> reiser*
[09:36] <birdfish> Yeah, it definitely doesn't allow for reiser :/
[09:36] <Zerb_Riss> keltoume: you can set up key combinations in System Settings->Accessibility Options
[09:36] <hazard2> I see...
[09:36] <bertugolu> can someone tell me how to reinstall the x?
[09:36] <Zerb_Riss> keltoume: erm, I mean Keyboard and Mouse
[09:36] <snake666> hazard2 suck me
[09:36] <kervan> kuruntu
[09:36] <hazard2> Ummm...no?
[09:37] <bertugolu> someone help
[09:37] <hazard2> with what bertugolu?
[09:37] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: what is your problem?
[09:37] <snake666> slut
[09:37] <hazard2> Yea, you seeem to have a keyboard input problem.
[09:37] <hazard2> Sort of like snake666 here.
[09:37] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:37] <bertugolu> emm...i need to reintstall the X bcos when i come to reconfigure the X it says that it is broke
[09:37] <bertugolu> n
[09:37] <Zerb_Riss> Thems fightin' werds
[09:38] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: how are you reconfiguring it?
[09:38] <bertugolu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:38] <snake666> hazard2, you are my problem
[09:38] <bertugolu> thats what i wrote...it says taht it is broken
[09:38] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: what error do you get?
[09:38] <snake666> stoopid
[09:38] <LjL> !language > snake666
[09:38] <hazard2> I'm going to let you handle this zerb, me and x windows usually result in xwindows not loading.
[09:38] <snake666> and boring people
[09:38] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:38] <Zerb_Riss> hazard2: must have been comedy hour
[09:39] <bertugolu> It says that it cant reconfigure bcos it is broken
[09:39] <Zerb_Riss> or twenty minutes
[09:39] <bertugolu> or something..
[09:39] <hazard2> (I'm amazed this install has been working without me cripplinging xwindow for more than 4 days)
[09:40] <hazard2> rerun the baseconfig thing
[09:40] <hazard2> I think that's how I resetup it to get it working.
[09:40] <bertugolu> how.....i thought of reinstalling it
[09:40] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: try: sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
[09:40] <bertugolu> the kubuntu
[09:41] <bertugolu> so i type..sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg ?
[09:41] <Zerb_Riss> yah
[09:41] <bertugolu> wil try
[09:41] <hazard2> do you presently have a windowserver running?
[09:41] <hazard2> (or are you talking to us on another machine?)
[09:42] <bertugolu> me?
[09:42] <hazard2> yes
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: you didn't happen to update to Edgy, did you?
[09:42] <bertugolu> yeah
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> heh
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> okay then
[09:42] <bertugolu> what
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> forget what I said
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> do this
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:42] <hazard2> Stupid question: what is edgy?
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> hazard2: Ubuntu 6.10
[09:42] <bertugolu> thats it?
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> "Edgy Eft"
[09:42] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: yes
[09:43] <bertugolu> 10x
[09:43] <Zerb_Riss> bertugolu: you are missing the packages
[09:43] <Zerb_Riss> same thing happened to me
[09:43] <keltoume> Zerb_Riss: i don know what i have to do > the fn+F4 works it is for the brigthness but fn+f7 and f8 witch control the volume do not works
[09:43] <Zerb_Riss> keltoume: oh for your laptop?
[09:43] <keltoume> yes
[09:43] <hazard2> I really hate having a 4GB drive.
[09:43] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[09:43] <Zerb_Riss> hazard2: I have a 6gb on my laptop :)
[09:44] <hazard2> Lucky you!
[09:44] <BadRabbit320> !reiser
[09:44] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[09:44] <hazard2> You've got enough space for the system, AND some stuff!
[09:44] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:44] <Zerb_Riss> true
[09:45] <hazard2> UGH....ever since I added a few more package repositiories to my apt-list adept takes forever to do anything.
[09:45] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:46] <hazard2> I can't wait until my laptop gets fixed.
[09:47] <Zerb_Riss> hazard2: I wish I could afford a new laptop :)
[09:47] <zorglu_> hmm my / partition reached the 'maximal mount count' on boot, and the fsck reported 'FAILED' in red for 1 sec and then rebooted
[09:47] <hazard2> My laptop isn't new.
[09:47] <zorglu_> is it good ? :)
[09:48] <Zerb_Riss> hehe
[09:48] <zorglu_> btw quite bad idea to reboot automatically
[09:48] <Zerb_Riss> mine is a P2-350 or something
[09:48] <hazard2> My laptop is old, its a 900mhz G3.
[09:48] <Zerb_Riss> Gubuntu runs on it okay
[09:48] <Zerb_Riss> I'm scared to install KDE on it though
[09:48] <goeki> hello
[09:48] <hazard2> hi.
[09:48] <zorglu_> i hope ubuntu will stop those automatize stuff when human interaction are required
[09:48] <Lynoure> Zerb_Riss: why, you do not need to give up Gnome completely
[09:49] <Lynoure> Zerb_Riss: you can have KDE on the side
[09:49] <hazard2> I just keep OSX on mine, it does everything I need it to. (though I like kubuntu because compiling stuff issn't a black art involving human sacrifice)
[09:49] <hazard2> Or something.
[09:49] <Zerb_Riss> Lynoure: only a 6gb hard disk and I don't know how well Kubuntu will run on a P2-350
[09:49] <goeki> somebody from germany or austria here???
[09:49] <hazard2> Not me.
[09:50] <Zerb_Riss> !de > goeki
[09:50] <Chuck> Ich bin aus Deutschland
[09:50] <hazard2> Gah!
[09:50] <hazard2> Open office, or a movie?   ...hmmm....
[09:50] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:50] <Zerb_Riss> decision, decisions...
[09:50] <goeki> bin aus sterreich
[09:50] <Qaldune> hi
[09:50] <Chuck> Na dann.
[09:50] <hazard2> get work done, or be midly amused by the same movie over and over again...
[09:50] <Qaldune> how can i install nvidia-3d support in kubuntu?
[09:51] <Zerb_Riss> !nvidia
[09:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:51] <hazard2> Like that.
[09:51] <Zerb_Riss> !nvidia > Qaldune
[09:51] <Chuck> Was mich gerad beschftigt... wisst ihr wie man unter C++ die Wurzel von a ausdrckt?
[09:51] <Qaldune> !nvidia
[09:51] <Qaldune> ???
[09:51] <Qaldune> !nvidia??
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia?? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <hazard2> I wish this machine's SiS630 Chipset did that '3d' thing....
[09:52] <Qaldune> zerb_riss what's that??
[09:52] <hazard2> what is what?
[09:52] <Zerb_Riss> !nvidia > Qaldune
[09:53] <hazard2> Must...find...way to throttle fan in this system....
[09:53] <Qaldune> zerb_riss wtf is that?
[09:54] <hazard2> its a bot response to the quearyt
[09:54] <Qaldune> oook zerb_riss i've got it
[09:54] <Qaldune> sorry
[09:54] <hazard2> Its probably instructions for getting the nvidia 3d drivers working on kubuntu
[09:54] <Zerb_Riss> np :)
[09:54] <Qaldune> thx
[09:54] <Zerb_Riss> hth
[09:54] <hazard2> At least that snake guy with the weird keyboard prolems went away.
[09:55] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[09:55] <hazard2> Do you think there's any chance I could get the windows fan controller driver working under wine on this machine?
[09:55] <Zerb_Riss> lol maybe
[09:56] <Zerb_Riss> did you google for a Linux one?
[09:56] <hazard2> (and if so, which version of windows driver should I try? ME, 2k, or XP?)
[09:56] <hazard2> Yea, and I can find...exactly...nothing.
[09:56] <hazard2> There's plenty on linux fan control for vaio NOTEBOOKs....but this is a minitower (though it DOES fit in my backpack).
[09:57] <hazard2> I've got lm-sensors working, but the fan controller part of it can't seem to connect the dots between the fan and wathever it is the windows driver sends instructions to.
[09:58] <hazard2> (though LM sensors does also give lots of bogus results, probably because the order for the sensors is wrong
[09:59] <Zerb_Riss> hazard2: weird
[09:59] <Zerb_Riss> lm_sensors works for my MSI
[09:59] <hazard2> well this is a sony vaio.
[09:59] <hazard2> and it IS a miserably cheap little system.
[10:00] <hazard2> and I suspect several senseors just aren't working right.
[10:00] <hazard2> or are configured wrong.
[10:00] <Zerb_Riss> probably
[10:00] <Zerb_Riss> have you tried the windows software before?
[10:01] <hazard2> No...I hadn't thought of it before.
[10:01] <hazard2> If this dosen't work, its time to design and build my own fan controller (which of course will end nothing short of a catastrophic failure)
[10:02] <Samuli^> has anyone else had this problem.. I can't get anti-aliasing of fonts to work in KDE they look horrible!
[10:02] <Zerb_Riss> I can't get it to work on this Dell
[10:02] <hazard2> what to work?
[10:02] <Zerb_Riss> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[10:02] <hazard2> ???
[10:02] <hazard2> me=never used wine before
[10:02] <Zerb_Riss> this is lm_sensors
[10:03] <Zerb_Riss> trying to install it
[10:03] <hazard2> Ah, that's a weird error.
[10:03] <hazard2> adf
[10:03] <hazard2> oops
[10:03] <hazard2> Something...is...happening....
[10:04] <hazard2> its doing one of those 'take over the whole screen for no reason at all' things.
[10:04] <hazard2> and its ugly purple, ewww...
[10:05] <hazard2> Its taking an awful long time to 'figure out what OS its running'
[10:06] <|GaiJin|> running Ktorrent under Kubuntu (DOH) and while downloading, I keep getting Too Many open files error.... How can I solve this
[10:06] <Zerb_Riss> |GaiJin|: sorr,y I use Azureus
[10:06] <hazard2> I dunno either.
[10:06] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: google for it, there is a system limit to setup to increase this
[10:06] <hazard2> Download torrents with less files?
[10:07] <Ace2016> hi all
[10:07] <Ace2016> anyone here use vlc?
[10:07] <Ace2016> i can't get vlc to jump forwards and backwards with scroll whell up/down can anyone help?
[10:07] <hazard2> Ace2016L never worked for me either.
[10:11] <Ace2016> :(
[10:11] <hazard2> Hmmm....
[10:11] <hazard2> I wonder if its going to be able to determine if I'm not trying to install this driver on some dell or something (though why would they care?)
[10:13] <hazard2> well, whatever its doing its doing 100% cpu of it.
[10:21] <hazard2> oops
[10:21] <ardea> hi
[10:21] <Zerb_Riss> oops?
[10:21] <hydra__> seriously, can someone help with the drag problem i mentioned earlier?
[10:22] <Zerb_Riss> drag problem?
[10:22] <gerhard> hi kanal!
[10:22] <hydra__> yeah, when i click to drag i have to wait before the click is registered
[10:22] <hydra__> seems to be happening for text selection, sizing/dragging windows
[10:22] <gerhard> ich kein kein englisch
[10:22] <oslo>    By default, `make install' will install the package's files in`/usr/local/bin', `/usr/local/man', etc.; where is it on kubuntu ???
[10:23] <hydra__> i'm running kubunu, standard install under vmware
[10:23] <hydra__> with vmware tools installed
[10:24] <hydra__> problem doesn't seem to happen when using the live cd on my other machine here
[10:24] <hydra__> only under vmware
[10:24] <gerhard> >ardea>hi wie gehts dir
[10:25] <ardea> hi
[10:25] <Zerb_Riss> hydra__: it's probably just a VMware glitch
[10:25] <Zerb_Riss> I had that problem with VMware Server as well
[10:25] <hydra__> what can i do to fix it?
[10:25] <hydra__> i'm using "linux, order 2.6.x kernel" as the profile
[10:25] <hydra__> /s/order/other
[10:26] <Zerb_Riss> I dunno
[10:26] <Zerb_Riss> I stopped using VMware server when it couldn't handle real time well enough
[10:26] <gerhard> >ardea>bist noch da?
[10:27] <gerhard> hallo bin ich noch online?
[10:27] <gerhard> isch mir egal hihihihih
[10:27] <fdoving> !de
[10:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:28] <gerhard> ich habe keine probleme
[10:29] <Kydos> hmm, i quess i can get help here soo.. I'm installing Kubuntu with Windows aldready installed and i am getting stuck at installing kubuntu to hard disk.
[10:29] <Zerb_Riss> Kydos: stuck?
[10:29] <gerhard> >hydra> bist noch online?
[10:30] <gerhard> was isch des fr einen chat?
[10:31] <Kydos> well i've put use the largest Continous free space and instantly i get a error saying failed to partition. Then i start to install i get no root file system. and this is the actual part where i get stuck. at the detecting file systems.
[10:32] <Kydos> i've tried waiting 30+ minutes
[10:32] <gerhard> ich bin noch da, hi ist jemand da?
[10:32] <Kydos> not sure if i should wait longer =/
[10:32] <zorglu_> !de | gerhard
[10:32] <ubotu> gerhard: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:33] <gerhard> >zorglu> hi wie gehts dir?
[10:33] <Zerb_Riss> Kydos
[10:33] <Kydos> yes
[10:33] <Zerb_Riss> Kydos: You need to succeed partitioning in order to install the OS
[10:34] <Kydos> i quess i have to try the other options
[10:34] <gerhard> hi ana wie gehts dir
[10:34] <zorglu_> !de | gerhard
[10:34] <ubotu> gerhard: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:34] <zorglu_> gerhard: this is a channel where people speaks english
[10:34] <zorglu_> gerhard: #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de are the channel to speak in german
[10:34] <gerhard> now die is fr oll
[10:35] <bertu> how do i istall graphics drivers
[10:35] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: looking
[10:35] <bertu> !ati
[10:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:36] <|GaiJin|> k... thanks....
[10:36] <gerhard> zorglu_ ju kenn german?
[10:37] <|GaiJin|> all I find are some really long threads with solutions for windows....
[10:37] <|GaiJin|> kennen wir nicht aller Deutch??
[10:37] <gerhard> hhh wie gehts dir?
[10:38] <Ash-Fox> Bloody hell, I've had it upto here with Russian, Polish, Chinese, Ukraine people contacting me on ICQ.. *grabs GAIM because Kopete without privacy settings is getting too much*
[10:38] <Dark-Vampire> !de
[10:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:38] <Kydos> How long does partitioning usually take?
[10:38] <foodcoman> Weeks.   =D
[10:39] <Kydos> >.>
[10:39] <gerhard> >hi wie gehts
[10:40] <foodcoman> gerhard: Enter:   /j #kubuntu-de
[10:41] <gerhard> ich habe auch den kanal betreten hihihihihihih
[10:42] <Zerb_Riss> !de > gerhard
[10:43] <intelikey> it's back
[10:43] <Kydos> Now i'm stuck on Partitioning =.=
[10:45] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: still her e?
[10:45] <TheFuzzball> can someone help me with an mp3 problem with Amarok in kubuntu 6.10
[10:46] <oslo> after i done a make install, trying to launch the apps, /usr/local/kde/share/apps/kicker/applets/ftpmonitor.desktop , does this one can help me run ftpmonitor, 'cause i'm not finding how ???
[10:47] <|GaiJin|> jeah... I am... was just on the phone....
[10:47] <foodcoman> Only 54 nicks in the #kubuntu-de, but it looks like great help over there.  If I understood what they are saying.
[10:48] <zorglu_> [Mon Oct 23 2006]  [22:39:22]  <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: do 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max' and give me the result
[10:48] <zorglu_> [Mon Oct 23 2006]  [22:41:09]  <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: additionnaly do 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr' and give me the result too
[10:49] <intelikey> oslo if you have installed a source package the command should be in the path same as with a .deb package...  just type "ftpmonitor" in a konsole and see what happens
[10:49] <|GaiJin|> 127724....on the first
[10:49] <|GaiJin|> 4344    0       127724 on the second
[10:49] <eigenvalue> TheFuzzball : i guess a more specific question would produce some feedback..
[10:51] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: this say that you got 4344 file open and may open up to 127724...
[10:51] <Hydra> oh great...  install of kubuntu "finished", i rebooted "disk boot failed, press enter"
[10:51] <Hydra> what no bootloader?
[10:51] <Hydra> how hard is it to get linux installed these days, christ
[10:51] <|GaiJin|> why would it tell me that I have to many??
[10:51] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: i dont understand how you can reach the limit with this numbers
[10:51] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: yea, sorry :), the problem is that when I run amarok normally when I try and play(import to playlist) an mp3 file it comes up with an error saying "Mo mp3 support" and gives me the option of installing it, then it crashes :)
[10:52] <|GaiJin|> Hydra: not hard
[10:52] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: btw put my nick in the sentence when you are talking to me
[10:52] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: but if I run it as root it works fine
[10:52] <Hydra> first it doesn't support raid-0, then i go get a brand new emtpy hdd, partition it how i want it using the installer, continue with the install, i'm told to reboot
[10:52] <|GaiJin|> zorglu_: I know... sorry
[10:52] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: "No Mp3 Support"* sorry
[10:52] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: no problem
[10:52] <Hydra> linux still has a long way to go, it's even regressing a little with issue likes this, I installed linux before without such issues..
[10:52] <Hydra> *sigh*
[10:52] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: how many torrent did you have to get more than 127k file open ?
[10:53] <intelikey> hydra only hard if you don't let the installer do exactly what it wants too        but deviating from the default is a pain with the graphic installer.....
[10:53] <zorglu_> |GaiJin|: this means 127000 peers :) your bandwidth cant handle that much :) :)
[10:53] <Hydra> btw, you get a "1_n: pixels" message on the advanced mouse options when the value/slider is set to "1"
[10:53] <Dr_willis> PEBKAC :)
[10:53] <Hydra> someone forgot the localization string for english, lol
[10:54] <intelikey> hydra linux has no where to go.  it doesn't want to be Windows (R)
[10:54] <Hydra> intelikey, i should be able to partition my drives and have the installer work
[10:54] <Hydra> at the very least!
[10:54] <|GaiJin|> don't have that many, but I guess it will figure out of itself....
[10:54] <oslo> intelikey i use a tar & ftpmonitor is not found, do you know where i could find a .deb ?
[10:54] <|GaiJin|> when something get finished, it will be avail for others
[10:54] <Hydra> even windows 3 did that ;)
[10:55] <Dr_willis> I partition my drives and tell the installer where to mount them...
[10:55] <intelikey> hydra yes. i said the ubuntu gui installer is KRAP !   but you can partition your drive/s with cfdisk and then start the installer....
[10:55] <Dr_willis> or i just leave them unallocated and let the installer do all it.
[10:55] <eigenvalue> Fuzzball, dunno what this could mean, but i had an similar problem whisch occured after using skype
[10:56] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: maybe restarting/updating or something will fix it :)
[10:56] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah that's almost the only thing the ub installer can get right. is if you let it do everything default....
[10:58] <eigenvalue> TheFuzzball are you using skype? the version, 1.3053 fixed my problems (the older used only /dev/dsp and didn't support alsa), and restarting skype & amarok helped..
[10:58] <Dr_willis> It is sad the sad state of these installers these days.. :)
[10:58] <zorglu_> eigenvalue: the recent skype uses alsa ?
[10:58] <eigenvalue> yepp
[10:59] <Dr_willis> about time
[10:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:59] <zorglu_> :)
[10:59] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: I don't use Skype, I don't even think I have it installed
[11:00] <Hydra> how do i install grub on the bootsector of my hd via the live cd ?
[11:00] <intelikey> well imo the writers have tried their dead level best to make the installer a hands off app.  problem is that most linux users wont accept a hands off installation  and most windows users don't know there is any other kind.
[11:00] <LjL> Hydra: grub-install --root-directory=/mount/point/for/your/HD/   should do
[11:01] <intelikey> so if you make it idiot proof they will just make a better idiot.
[11:01] <Dr_willis> we need a installer that has an irc client.. connects to the "#ubuntu-Installer" room to help people out. :)
[11:01] <intelikey> lol
[11:01] <cpk2> hrmm trying to figure out how to open .swf sites, got tons of swf but still dont know what to do =\
[11:01] <intelikey> Dr_willis i hope not.
[11:01] <dvayanu> hi gurus
[11:01] <LjL> wouldn't be hard to add that feature. not sure it's *desired* ;-)
[11:01] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  have them open with firefox
[11:02] <Dr_willis> LjL,  thats what i did with Gentoo. :)
[11:02] <dvayanu> i have a question on memtest86+ which came with my ubuntu installation
[11:02] <Dr_willis> emerged irssi first. then the rest of the stuff
[11:02] <zorglu_> cpk2: mplayer is able to read them if they are video
[11:02] <dvayanu> can it test 4Gb of ram?
[11:02] <cpk2> i will try mplayer, firefox immeadiatly closes when i try opening it with ff
[11:02] <zorglu_> dvayanu: no, give me 3gbyte :)
[11:03] <dvayanu> zoglu_: nice try :-)
[11:03] <eigenvalue> TheFuzzball ok: the point was in the braces: maybe some software (my case: skype) used /dev/dsp directly.. that caused my problems. if thats not the case & reinstalling the mp3 codecs doesn't help, maybe you have to ask in #xine
[11:03] <cpk2> mplayer doesnt work either =\
[11:03] <dvayanu> if i just start it it tests just something, but i'm not sure what it does, if I select "from bios (all)" it starts throwing errors, if i select "probe" it sees only 2 gb
[11:03] <intelikey> maybe an installer that asks the first question "are you new to linux" if you say yes it dumps you to a fully automated (hands off) installer with a progress indicator.  but if you say no, it dumps you to a console with an installer script that will let you set the thing up the way you want it.
[11:04] <LjL> does anybody know of a - packaged or not - *serial* terminal program (think BBS) for KDE, or at least for GTK (hopefully not for Gnome though, i don't want the Gnome libraries)?  i'm not really too fond of minicom
[11:05] <zorglu_> dvayanu: http://www.memtest86.com/ give some info. not that i understand them :) very low level hardware stuff
[11:05] <intelikey> LjL telnet ?
[11:05] <Hydra> ljl, does that *just* install grub to the mbr ?
[11:05] <Hydra> or can i use the grub shell to do it?
[11:05] <LjL> intelikey, i said *serial*, as in RS232 :P and graphical. just like minicom in other words, but with a Qt/GTK interface
[11:06] <zorglu_> http://www.memtest86.com/#size <- dvayanu this one may be of interest
[11:06] <Dr_willis> minicom in a xterm is graphical. :)
[11:06] <dvayanu> zoglu_: currently reading... and it shows me that memtest showed expected behaviour
[11:07] <dvayanu> zoglu_: bios all is what i tried and what failed :-)
[11:07] <LjL> Hydra: it installs it on the MBR if you specify a device, it installs it on a partition if you specify a partition... but yeah, that's what it does. then you *are* supposed to have a /boot/grub/ directory in the place you point to with the "--root-directory" option
[11:07] <Dr_willis> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=serial+terminal
[11:08] <Dr_willis> Komport
[11:08] <eigenvalue> TheFuzzball: if its a problem with the codecs itselfes (myabe some chmod-stuff with their directory) then u really have to ask someone who knows xine (i guess you are using the default engine)
[11:08] <LjL> Hydra: in other words, if my drive is /dev/hda, and my linux partition is /dev/hda1, and i have it mounted under /media/hda1, i would type "grub-install --root=directory=/media/hda1 /dev/hda" if i wanted it to install to the MBR
[11:08] <zorglu_> dvayanu: ok :) btw tab in konversation provides nicks completion :)
[11:08] <dvayanu> zorglu_: good to know :-)
[11:08] <dvayanu> zorglu_:  th
[11:08] <dvayanu> x
[11:09] <LjL> Dr_willis: oh, wow, there are a few. weird that not one of them managed to get into debian...?!
[11:09] <dvayanu> i think i will just swap the modules
[11:09] <Zerb_Riss> !repo komport
[11:09] <dvayanu> zorglu_: the kernel hangs if i enable 4 gb ram on the board
[11:09] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: indeed
[11:09] <Zerb_Riss> hmm
[11:09] <Dr_willis> LjL,  you expect me to know the minds of debian..  :)
[11:09] <Zerb_Riss> !commands
[11:09] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:09] <Dr_willis> go ask them
[11:09] <LjL> Zerb_Riss: that would be !info komport - but no, it's not there
[11:09] <Zerb_Riss> !info komport
[11:09] <zorglu_> dvayanu: i see...
[11:10] <ubotu> Package komport does not exist in any distro I know
[11:10] <eigenvalue> TheFuzzball: what???
[11:10] <Zerb_Riss> interesting
[11:10] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: maybe reinstalling libxine-extracodecs will help
[11:10] <dvayanu> zorglu_: however same kernel (2.6.19 rc2)runs perfectly with an intel board with same chipset (P965)... so its the RAM or the freaking ASUS board
[11:10] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search terminal | grep serial
[11:10] <intelikey> grub is kinda week why is it the default ?
[11:11] <Dr_willis> gtkterm - A simple GTK+ serial port terminal
[11:11] <LjL> Dr_willis: no, perhaps i won't... ;-P but seriously, i realize BBS's aren't used much nowadays, but heck, i've always considered a serial terminal part of the most basic applications that are usually available in a system...
[11:11] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i use serial terminals to get stuff to/from my amiga
[11:11] <Dr_willis> there are BBS's on the internet - and special programs to access them now a days also.
[11:11] <TheFuzzball> eigenvalue: I was saying that I was using the default engine
[11:11] <LjL> Dr_willis: and i use them to get stuff to/from my Psion. which, incidently, has a serial terminal built-in...
[11:11] <Dr_willis> kermit ! just go with kermit!
[11:12] <Dr_willis> actually i perfer minicom :)
[11:12] <LjL> Dr_willis, right now i'm just trying to make a USB/IrDA dongle i've bought work. and, really, minicom is... argh
[11:13] <LjL> CLI is ok with me. as long as it actually involves typing commands... when it involves using an interactive interface, it starts being less ok
[11:13] <Dr_willis> gee what more do ya really need.. set the rates/port - type aways
[11:13] <Dr_willis> echo "atdt 123454" > /dev/serial
[11:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:13] <LjL> yeah, except that doesn't really work. or works somtimes.
[11:13] <Dr_willis> +++ ath0
[11:14] <Dr_willis> I rember when that used to hang people up on irc.
[11:14] <Dr_willis>  Doh!
[11:14] <LjL> it probably still does if you have a modem
[11:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:14] <LjL> *my* modem does get hung up on that
[11:14] <Dr_willis> it was an interesting hack ages ago.
[11:14] <LjL> though you cannot really just type it on IRC... you have to craft a packet carefully =)
[11:14] <Dr_willis> its odd that  some how its seen by the modem even through the packets
[11:14] <LjL> no, it's not.
[11:14] <Dr_willis> LjL,  at one time i had a modem that WOULD hang up if someone typed it
[11:14] <maryen> +++ ath0
[11:15] <gaetano> #m
[11:15] <Dr_willis> atm1
[11:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:15] <Dr_willis> egads i am showing my age
[11:15] <Dr_willis> load *,8,1
[11:15] <LjL> Dr_willis: well, then perhaps you weren't using PPP with your ISP, but just a plain getty...?  because with PPP, data isn't in the clear, and you have to craft a packet that somehow *actually* sends the +++ath string on the wire
[11:16] <LjL> Dr_willis: and, besides, with most modems, if you *receive* a +++ath, you don't hang up -- you only do if you *send* one. which can be obtained using a ping, since computers are usually set to reply to pings
[11:16] <Dr_willis> it was ppp.  i rember researching it at the time. the 'issue' i recall was that some modems dident wait for a pause after the +++  and the command.
[11:16] <Dr_willis> this was like 8 yrs ago. :)
[11:17] <LjL> anyway, let's see if any of those very nice devs on freshmeat has been just *so* nice as to make a .deb package...
[11:17] <Dr_willis> Piffle! be a real man! :)
[11:18] <Dr_willis> Find a Java serial terminal program!
[11:18] <intelikey> jaba ja ja ja
[11:18] <LjL> !language | Dr_willis
[11:18] <ubotu> Dr_willis: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:19] <LjL> blah, only RPMs
[11:19] <eigenvalue> TheFuzzball: ok. and i think you said you tried everything. and if nothing helps, i guess you really need someone who can tell you where the codecs are and how to manipulate them manually: but that won't be me, sorry... just answered, because that skype stuff killed some of my nerves..
[11:19] <ianmacgregor> If someone has a minute, can you have a look at this thread please? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1653552
[11:19] <Dr_willis> !language | ubotu
[11:19] <ubotu> ubotu: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:20] <intelikey> !botsnack
[11:20] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:21] <Dr_willis> !language | Spank Me Hard And
[11:21] <ubotu> Spank Me Hard And: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:21] <morghanphoenix> So, I just bought an nvidia mx4000 video card, how do I go about putting it in? Do I need to install the drivers first or should it detect the card and let me install the drivers in KDE after hardware installation?
[11:21] <Dr_willis> plug it in.. read the !nvidia bot factoid
[11:21] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[11:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:22] <Dr_willis> Be sure to power off. and unplug the be..befor plugging it in. :)
[11:22] <Dr_willis> the PC.
[11:22] <morghanphoenix> um, yeah, totally forgot about that part.
[11:22] <morghanphoenix> thanks
[11:22] <morghanphoenix> lol
[11:22] <Dr_willis> You would not BELIVE the TImes ive seen it done..
[11:22] <Hydra> LjL, ok, so it seems when using the boot cd grub sees my hd as hd2, when grub rubs from the boot loader it sees the drive as hd0
[11:22] <Hydra> *sigh*
[11:22] <Hydra> fixed now, but damn, that sucks a fat one
[11:23] <morghanphoenix> Somehow I don't find it that hard to believe.
[11:23] <Hydra> i also had to set the bios's hdd config to "large"
[11:23] <LjL> ianmacgregor: revelation = the KDE wallet. it's built in  /   xchat = konversation  /  firefox = konqueror  /  gnome baker = k3b  /   grip = kaudiocreator  /  gimp = krita  /  evolution = kmail (the program name is Kontact)  /  gaim = kopete  /  liferea = akregator (program name is Kontact)  /  rubrica = something in Kontact  /  glade = qt3-designer  /  screem = quanta, possibly
[11:24] <LjL> of course, only rough approssimations to what i *believe* the gnome programs do
[11:24] <intelikey> "/  gimp = krita  " ???
[11:24] <BonBonTheJon> LjL: isnt epiphany the gnome browser
[11:25] <LjL> intelikey: ok, we both know they aren't on the same level, but still it's the closest it gets
[11:25] <BonBonTheJon> the gimp is a great program
[11:25] <ianmacgregor> LjL: Thank you so much. What is this Kontact? Is it a full PIM?
[11:25] <intelikey> k
[11:25] <ianmacgregor> Sounds like a PIM
[11:25] <LjL> ianmacgregor: yeah... it's really just a shell for kmail, akregator and friends
[11:25] <ianmacgregor> LjL: Ahh, ok.
[11:25] <koli> hi all
[11:25] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[11:25] <LjL> ianmacgregor: i've got a screenshot of it (well, of a part of it) here http://ljl.byethost14.com/fakegnome.png
[11:26] <koli> how do i enable file sharing with windows and linux also
[11:26] <BonBonTheJon> !samba | koli
[11:26] <ubotu> koli: samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:26] <ianmacgregor> LjL: Wowsers, I like it already
[11:27] <LjL> heh, well, you'll learn to hate it ;)
[11:27] <Hydra> omg, finally, it boots...
[11:27] <Hydra> 4 hours to get a working linux install..  nice
[11:27] <ianmacgregor> LjL: hehe
[11:27] <LjL> j/k, though i think it *is* a bit different from evolution or thunderbird, on the mail side
[11:27] <Hydra> not.
[11:27] <LjL> Hydra: took 20 minutes for me :P
[11:27] <zorglu_> Hydra: you were the one complaining a lot 20min ago, no ? :)
[11:27] <Hydra> not to mention the 7 i spent on sunday morning trying to get kubuntu to use dmraid on my raid-0 array
[11:28] <ianmacgregor> LjL: Yeah, I haven't touched KDE since Fedora Core 1 and it looks like it's come a long way.
[11:28] <intelikey> hydra you could have dl'd a floppy distro and dd'd the image to the hd and had a booting linux system in less than a minute.
[11:28] <Hydra> zorglu_, probably.  about kubuntu under vmware
[11:28] <Hydra> well, the instller didn't setup grub correctly on my system
[11:28] <intelikey> but you wouldn't have liked it either
[11:28] <Hydra> neither did it mention anything about having to set a bios option to "large" istead of "auto" for my hdd
[11:28] <LjL> ianmacgregor: for comparison, this is the way i've got my kde setup normally (that screenshot, as the name says, was just a quick attempt to make it look like gnome): http://ljl.byethost14.com/annotatedkde.png
[11:29] <koli> i cannot install samba with the command sudo apt-get install samba
[11:29] <intelikey> hydra it doesn't on my system either
[11:29] <Hydra> it's 2006
[11:29] <Hydra> lilo used to work
[11:29] <Hydra> why can't grub?
[11:29] <intelikey> lilo still works
[11:29] <Hydra> why isn't lilo used then, it works, grub doesn't
[11:29] <intelikey> idk
[11:29] <zorglu_> he is back again on complaining :)
[11:29] <Hydra> *sigh*
[11:30] <intelikey> i didn't do the choosing
[11:30] <Vincent_Burns> hello
[11:30] <zorglu_> winning wanna be :)
[11:30] <BonBonTheJon> koli: hold on I'll look up a tutorial
[11:31] <morghanphoenix> I miss lilo
[11:31] <intelikey> you can use lilo.  i do
[11:31] <koli> ok thnx BonBonTheJon
[11:31] <intelikey> or did you mean the nick morghanphoenix ?
[11:31] <cpk2> !info samba
[11:31] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 2778 kB, installed size 7080 kB
[11:32] <morghanphoenix> I loved the graphical boot, had really nice themes for lilo.
[11:32] <cpk2> koli: well that should install samba
[11:32] <koli> i have an error about a dependency
[11:32] <BonBonTheJon> koli: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[11:32] <koli> and when i try installing it with adept it says BREAK (install)
[11:32] <cpk2> koli: then you should probably fix the dependency
[11:32] <morghanphoenix> grub just doesn't compare as far as eye candy goes, still, never had a problem with it not working.
[11:33] <cpk2> koli: maybe you should post the full error
[11:33] <cpk2> with pastebin
[11:33] <morghanphoenix> That's something that linux needs to help it replace windows, packages with all the deps in them.
[11:33] <intelikey> well my only complaint is that grub is too weak to boot a partitionless disk
[11:34] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: that would make some huge packages
[11:34] <intelikey> and i don't like grub, but that's hardly a complaint
[11:34] <cpk2> and alot of people wouldnt need all the deps in the package
[11:34] <koli> i get this
[11:34] <koli> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:34] <koli>   samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.22-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[11:34] <koli> E: Broken packages
[11:34] <morghanphoenix> Yup, not saying they should just have them, just that they should have them as an option.
[11:35] <morghanphoenix> And I seem to have radar for packages that depend on obsolete packages.
[11:35] <cpk2> koli: try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:35] <intelikey> yeah that should remove the partially installed samba
[11:35] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: the only problem I had pinpointing an obsoleted package was when it was in backports
[11:36] <LjL> morghanphoenix: grub *does* have themes though
[11:36] <koli> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:36] <morghanphoenix> Still haven't figured out that whole id thing.
[11:36] <cpk2> id thing?
[11:36] <ianmacgregor> LjL: How did you get those pinnable notes on your desktop? Which app is that?
[11:36] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, but not in 256 colors.
[11:37] <morghanphoenix> Something that's supposed to let me tell the new programs where the package is when it's not named what it's looking for.
[11:37] <LjL> ianmacgregor: knotes
[11:38] <LjL> ianmacgregor: it's there by default, Utilities menu
[11:38] <LjL> (no it's not a panel applet)
[11:38] <ianmacgregor> Oh? Cool
[11:38] <koli> cpk2?
[11:38] <koli> it says nothing to install update or updgrade
[11:38] <LjL> ianmacgregor: and *yes* you can change the colors :)
[11:38] <cpk2> you cant install samba after doing apt-get -f install?
[11:39] <ianmacgregor> :)
[11:39] <koli> no
[11:39] <intelikey> cpk2 i doubt
[11:39] <morghanphoenix> Finally got acidrip working perfectly, great little toy, beats thoggen hands down.
[11:39] <intelikey> !repos > koli
[11:39] <cpk2> still wondering how a samba install would break
[11:39] <cpk2> intelikey: they should all be in main
[11:40] <intelikey> cpk2 it looks like a repos issue to me
[11:40] <morghanphoenix> Of course it's using proprietary formats, some people don't much care for that.
[11:40] <VirteX> i'm back again... lol
[11:40] <VirteX> ok i'm going nuts... Grub freezes durring boot, just sits there no errors or anything, anyone know how to fix it ?
[11:40] <intelikey> maybe using the cd and updates main togather  or something
[11:40] <LjL> ianmacgregor: one little thing i'd suggest you try out (most people don't seem to know about it) is the "quick launcher" panel applet -- it's those icons i have just left of the app menus -- at a quick glance, it seems nothing more than a few app shortcuts put together. but if you go and configure it, you'll see it has a "smart" feature to keep track of what applications you use the most, and add/remove them from the list as appropriate
[11:40] <VirteX> tired multiple hard drives, tried kubuntu and ubuntu... :(
[11:40] <Hydra> ahh *sigh*
[11:41] <Hydra> nice to see dual monitor support not working...
[11:41] <LjL> ianmacgregor: (the trick to make it work is, after configuring it, right-clicking on every icon and unselecting "never remove automatically")
[11:41] <koli> how many repositories should i have?
[11:42] <intelikey> VirteX if it's actually grub try lilo  if it's the initrd.img build a new one maybe.
[11:42] <Vincent_Burns> many
[11:42] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, my new card is supposed to run a monitor and tv-out at the same time, wonder how that works in reality.
[11:42] <morghanphoenix> Think I should get a TV.
[11:42] <VirteX> intelikey: how do i install lilo from the kubuntu live cd onto my drive ?
[11:42] <intelikey> koli 3 or more.
[11:42] <cpk2> problem with tvs is that they interlace
[11:42] <morghanphoenix> It'd be really nice to have kaffeine going on a different screen
[11:43] <morghanphoenix> I haven't owned a tv in 15 years.
[11:43] <VirteX> lol
[11:43] <VirteX> my tv is in the closet
[11:43] <koli> can anyone give me a list of your repos????
[11:44] <intelikey> VirteX mount the hdd " sudo chroot /where/it's/mounted apt-get install lilo ;sudo  chroot /where/it's/mounted lilo  "
[11:44] <zorglu_> !source-o-matic | koli
[11:44] <ubotu> koli: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:44] <morghanphoenix> I've had tv input on my computers almost that long.
[11:44] <ianmacgregor> LjL: Oh, I will be trying the quick launcher :)
[11:45] <h_> !de
[11:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:45] <VirteX> intelikey: hehe ok, see what i can wreck :) kinda weird it's doing it with multiple drives :( i was gonna install gentoo and see what it does, but i'll try lilo first
[11:45] <intelikey> VirteX but between the two commands you might want/need to edit /where/it's/mounted/etc/lilo.conf     man lilo for more on that.
[11:45] <VirteX> yea
[11:45] <morghanphoenix> Any ideas why copying things from one drive to another takes so long? I started a 30GB transfer five hours ago and it's at 43%
[11:46] <cpk2> koli: you probably want the main universe and multiverse repos
[11:46] <Chousuke> hmm
[11:46] <Chousuke> morghanphoenix: no DMA enabled? :P
[11:46] <ianmacgregor> LjL: What about Synaptic in Ubuntu? Is there a KDE equivalent for that?
[11:47] <cpk2> ianmacgregor: adept
[11:47] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, dma is enabled, not sure about external devices though.
[11:47] <LjL> ianmacgregor: about the applications i left out (because i didn't know off hands) : meld = kompare, or kdiff3  /   grisbi = kmymoney2  /   gftp = kftpgrabber i suppose  /  easytag = kyamo or kid3, but then amarok, juk and friends also have tag editing (amarok can fetch from musicbrainz)
[11:47] <intelikey> VirteX grub depends on bios to read the disks/partitions lilo doesn't  if grub is truely the problem it's probably bios related  i.e. drive specs not correct
[11:47] <LjL> ianmacgregor: Adept. it's not very similar, and, from what i can gather, not much liked
[11:47] <morghanphoenix> Looks like I'm averaging 100 KB/s
[11:48] <Chousuke> that's snail's pace.
[11:48] <Chousuke> most internet connections are faster nowadays. :D
[11:48] <ianmacgregor> LjL: Ok
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, it'll jump up to 2 megs, but then it's drop to around 6k
[11:48] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: are you transfering via usb?
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> Yes
[11:48] <cpk2> probably usb 1.0
[11:49] <morghanphoenix> USB 2.0
[11:49] <Chousuke> USB should still be able to transfer about 30MB/s
[11:49] <LjL> ianmacgregor: there used to be a Kynaptic, but it's been deprecated i believe
[11:50] <VirteX> intelikey: Installing Lilo now, well see if this fixes the issue... i just really don't wanna run windows lol
[11:50] <morghanphoenix> Maybe it's ext3 to fat32?
[11:50] <morghanphoenix> Can that be a problem?
[11:50] <intelikey> VirteX where there's a will there's a pinguin.
[11:51] <Chousuke> morghanphoenix: shouldn't be.
[11:51] <LjL> [23:37]  <morghanphoenix> Something that's supposed to let me tell the new programs where the package is when it's not named what it's looking for. <---- what did you mean? have you been answered? are you asking "i have a file, i want to know what package it is from"?
[11:52] <morghanphoenix> No, I have a package that depends on an obsolete one and I have then new version of the dep which isn't named the same as the old one.
[11:52] <intelikey> LjL or possably the more common question "where did dpkg put blah?"
[11:52] <LjL> !equivs | morghanphoenix
[11:52] <ubotu> equivs: Circumvent Debian package dependencies. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.6-0.1 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 132 kB
[11:52] <morghanphoenix> Some library that's been updated and it's name's been changed.
[11:52] <LjL> morghanphoenix: that might help
[11:53] <Dr_willis> apt-file is a handy program to use for some of that stuff.
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> I remember what it was, libogm!
[11:54] <morghanphoenix> slipped my mind there for a seccond
[11:54] <intelikey> or that.
[11:54] <VirteX> intelikey: rebooting... see if this works :)
[11:55] <drbeams> what comand do i need to do a dpkg something -a to recover from apt-get crash
[11:55] <intelikey> --configure
[11:56] <drbeams> k, i was missing one of the -
[11:56] <drbeams> however, it tells me it is locked
[11:56] <Dr_willis> Egads - does Map Quests map scrolling  around work well for anyone?
[11:56] <drbeams> do i reboot ?
[11:56] <intelikey> no
[11:56] <Dr_willis> its like 10 secs to scroll one way.. then it scrolls 5 times
[11:56] <intelikey> close anything using a package manager
[11:56] <morghanphoenix> is there a command to kill all processes? Like when you shut down, I had a problem before where my system crashed and there were still sessions running that I couldn't access when I rebooted.
[11:56] <drbeams> everything is
[11:57] <drbeams> ah yes, kill -9 apt-get
[11:57] <Chousuke> kill -9 is bad :P
[11:57] <intelikey> no
[11:57] <Chousuke> always try without -9 first
[11:57] <intelikey> kill -9 -1 is bad
[11:57] <intelikey> kill -9 blah is good
[11:57] <cpk2> what does -1 do?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> kill --die --die --die!
[11:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:57] <Dasnipa> yeah nothing wrong with a good kill -9
[11:57] <morghanphoenix> I finally just reinstalled
[11:58] <morghanphoenix> Looking to make sure I don't have to do that again
[11:58] <afm\colossus> pkill -9 .
[11:58] <intelikey> killall9  even
[11:58] <Dasnipa> for server computers i like to have a slay command scripted in: slay = kill -9 <all of user x's processes>
[11:59] <morghanphoenix> I had a kde and gnome session running, as well as KDM, I couldn't launch kdm and huge ammounts of my ram was tied up in session it wouldn't let me access.
[11:59] <cpk2> Dasnipa: haha slay thispooruser
[11:59] <cpk2> lol
[11:59] <morghanphoenix> I was using all of my gig of ram and a few hundred megs of swap on top of that
[11:59] <intelikey> !info slay
[11:59] <ubotu> slay: Kills all of the user's processes. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5 (dapper), package size 9 kB, installed size 76 kB
[12:00] <virtex> intelikey: welll booted from the hard drive... any idea how to make it dot he fancy graphical start up from lilo ?
[12:00] <Dr_willis> lilo dont do fancy :)
[12:00] <intelikey> virtex it's all in the man pages
[12:00] <kubuntu> intelikey: Slay?
[12:00] <morghanphoenix> Look at some of the lilo themes on kde-look, I call those fancy.
[12:00] <intelikey> kubuntu it's an app
[12:01] <virtex> k, i'll find it :) the fancy is from linux not from lilo is it not ? the the blue kubuntu start up thing
[12:01] <Zerb_Riss> virtex: yes
[12:01] <morghanphoenix> You mean kdm?
[12:01] <virtex> the lilo i installed has a graphical menu just after you pick what to boot it does the oldschool text where kubuntu is loading everything
[12:02] <kubuntu> intelikey: it seems to be useless
[12:02] <intelikey> daskreech i haven't tried it.  just knew of the app in the packages
[12:03] <intelikey> it probably requires sudo
[12:03] <MadRabbit320> cpk2 thanks for helping w/my sources the other day
[12:03] <cpk2> unless you are the user
[12:03] <daskreech> intelikey: it says a users processes. So I can use it on myself?
[12:03] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: no problem, everything working now?\
[12:03] <intelikey> cpk2 yeah or it's set suid so users can slay root.....
[12:04] <intelikey> lets hope not
[12:04] <MadRabbit320> cpk2 everything "I" can figure so far
[12:04] <cpk2> but slay cpk2 as cpk2 should work
[12:04] <intelikey> daskreech what part of "i've never used it" did you miss ?
[12:04] <morghanphoenix> Supposed to be some way to bypass sudo passwords for a user, I wanna figure that one out.
[12:05] <intelikey> back i a bit.
[12:06] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: except for 2nd hd, icoutils, a few visual tweaks excluded, that is...
[12:06] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: was kmag something you were looking for?
[12:06] <cpk2> and why wont your second hard drive work?
[12:07] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: can't move my sound files into /usr/share/sounds though
[12:08] <morghanphoenix>  /usr is owned by root in kubuntu, isn't it?
[12:09] <Basic_py> is there a network install of kubuntu, so I don't have to download 700M iso image?
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> three days left 'till edgy, you can dist-upgrade to it, yes?
[12:09] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: there were only 2 repositories available to me upon install. y, kmag; "nice". 2nd hd all greek to me
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> I'm out of cd-rs
[12:10] <Kr4t05> morghanphoenix: You've been able to since Flight 1. :P
[12:10] <Kr4t05> !upgrade
[12:10] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes