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| ddaa | jamesh: lifeless: spiv: SteveA: meeting in 61 minutes | 10:58 |
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| ddaa | please tell poolie and _thumper_ if they are anywhere close | 10:59 |
| SteveA | well | 11:57 |
| SteveA | they'll be in singapore | 11:57 |
| SteveA | and may possibly not be here | 11:57 |
| ddaa | I'm happy to skip it this week | 11:57 |
| SteveA | I'd like to know how things are going with you and your work | 11:58 |
| SteveA | bbiab | 11:58 |
| SteveA | re | 11:59 |
| SteveA | and I want to know how the smartserver is going | 12:00 |
| jamesh | meeting? | 12:01 |
| ddaa | jamesh: | 12:01 |
| ddaa | supposedly, yes | 12:01 |
| ddaa | == agenda == | 12:01 |
| ddaa | Next meeting Monday 30 October, 10:00 UTC. | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * production status | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * debian svn server load | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * status reports | 12:01 |
| ddaa | * singapore meeting | 12:01 |
| ddaa | This is the new meeting formula. A few broad agenda items. | 12:01 |
| ddaa | == roll call == | 12:01 |
| ddaa | spiv: ping | 12:01 |
| spiv | The roll call isn't on the agenda ;) | 12:02 |
| spiv | I'm here. | 12:02 |
| SteveA | hi | 12:02 |
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| SteveA | thanks for considering the feedback about the agenda from last week, ddaa | 12:02 |
| poolie | hi, who's here? | 12:02 |
| ddaa | jamesh, spiv, SteveA and I | 12:03 |
| poolie | we're still meeting here but i can come here for a bit | 12:03 |
| SteveA | ok | 12:03 |
| poolie | could you (re)post the agenda please? | 12:03 |
| SteveA | ddaa: would you give the agenda again? | 12:03 |
| ddaa | == agenda == | 12:03 |
| ddaa | Next meeting Monday 30 October, 10:00 UTC. | 12:03 |
| ddaa | * production status | 12:03 |
| ddaa | * debian svn server load | 12:03 |
| ddaa | * status reports | 12:03 |
| ddaa | * singapore meeting | 12:03 |
| ddaa | This is the new meeting formula. A few broad agenda items. | 12:03 |
| ddaa | Let's get going. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | == production status == | 12:04 |
| ddaa | Rolled out new importd needed after launchpad rollout (db schema change). No functional change. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | Nothing much interesting going on there. | 12:04 |
| ddaa | jamesh: okay, if you have interesting rollouts to talk about, this is the place now. | 12:05 |
| ddaa | Moving on... | 12:05 |
| ddaa | == debian svn server load == | 12:05 |
| ddaa | Much discussion last week. | 12:05 |
| ddaa | Finally, I agree to what poolie suggested: | 12:05 |
| ddaa | * Svn imports that have "trunk" in their name can proceed (essentially) unattended | 12:05 |
| ddaa | * Svn imports that do not have "trunk" in their name will require operator validation to proceed at all | 12:05 |
| ddaa | * Check for "no file in directory" will be implemented as an extra safety, will be overridable by operator validation. | 12:05 |
| ddaa | I have gardened the database. | 12:05 |
| ddaa | * Will add check for "trunk" with hardcoded exception into importd. | 12:05 |
| ddaa | * Hardcoded exceptions will be removed when operator validation will be implemented in the web UI and database. | 12:05 |
| ddaa | Any comment on that plan? | 12:05 |
| jamesh | do we count branches with /branches/ in the URL as valid? | 12:05 |
| jamesh | or just trunk? | 12:05 |
| ddaa | nah | 12:05 |
| SteveA | poolie: did you contact the debian guy? | 12:05 |
| spiv | Have we been unfirewalled from the debian server? | 12:06 |
| ddaa | just trunk, because cscvs does not make related imports relate in bzr history | 12:06 |
| poolie | ddaa: sounds good | 12:06 |
| poolie | SteveA: no, i'll mail him tonight | 12:06 |
| SteveA | I think that in future, a swift initial introduction and contact would be better | 12:06 |
| SteveA | with a more involved followup later | 12:07 |
| ddaa | generally, the whole web UI of vcs-imports needs to be redesigned to make it clear that vcs details are input for a service, not informational. | 12:07 |
| SteveA | while *we* know we've been dropping everything (kind of) to attend to this issue | 12:07 |
| SteveA | he doesn't | 12:07 |
| poolie | SteveA: yes, i agree | 12:07 |
| ddaa | Thank you all for contributing to this discussion last week and for humoring me. | 12:08 |
| ddaa | btw, it's apparent that we are _not_ being firewalled from the debian svn | 12:08 |
| ddaa | ACTION: poolie to talk to the debian guy | 12:09 |
| ddaa | moving on | 12:09 |
| jamesh | have we put in an RT request to change the reverse DNS of the importd slaves? | 12:09 |
| ddaa | jamesh: mh... not AFAIK | 12:09 |
| jamesh | (that's if we've decided that we want to) | 12:10 |
| ddaa | I see not reason not to do that, but there's also the whole thing about putting informative pages up, and things like that | 12:10 |
| ddaa | should I follow up on that, or is that mpool's? | 12:11 |
| ddaa | poolie: ? | 12:12 |
| ddaa | well, I'll try to follow up on that... keep nagging | 12:12 |
| SteveA | ddaa: please file and RT request for that and cc me | 12:12 |
| ddaa | SteveA: ok | 12:12 |
| ddaa | == status reports == | 12:13 |
| ddaa | spiv: supermirror-smart-server. | 12:13 |
| ddaa | poolie: thanks for checking the svn roundtripping discussion. I will come back to you when I have a clear statement of what I need you to comment on. | 12:13 |
| ddaa | jamesh: product-release-finder. Last week you said "we should be able to run it in production this week". | 12:13 |
| ddaa | _thumper_: spec-branches. | 12:13 |
| ddaa | ddaa: python import: no progress on that last week. | 12:13 |
| ddaa | ddaa: pyrex: did not publish branch. Progress (off-hours): now blocked on landing of new svn changeset logic. Started to split work in reviewable chunks. (for the record, jamesh was volunteered for review last week). | 12:13 |
| ddaa | poolie: bzr-lp features. | 12:13 |
| ddaa | spiv: how's smart server this week? | 12:13 |
| ddaa | jamesh: how's the product-release finder? | 12:13 |
| SteveA | tim/launchpad/spec-branches is w-i-p | 12:14 |
| jamesh | ddaa: forgot to ask stub about that. He brought it up today, and I said we should go ahead | 12:14 |
| poolie | ddaa: please follow up on fixing importd's rDNS | 12:14 |
| SteveA | 389 line diff output | 12:14 |
| poolie | and add a bug about putting up some information about it; we don't have to do that right now | 12:14 |
| poolie | ddaa: we're working now on specifying more bzr-lp features | 12:14 |
| poolie | in particular getting diffs for branches and doing branch review | 12:14 |
| spiv | I've updated the status whiteboard on https://features.launchpad.net/products/bzr/+spec/smart-server and https://features.launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+spec/supermirror-smart-server | 12:15 |
| SteveA | ddaa: after this meeting, I want to talk about doing an import of silva | 12:15 |
| ddaa | poolie: please keep me posted | 12:15 |
| ddaa | poolie: any spec I need to subscribe to? | 12:15 |
| poolie | spiv: yes i saw, well done | 12:15 |
| poolie | ddaa: not as yet, but will let you know | 12:15 |
| SteveA | spiv: do you know about the plan to get a new bzr on devpad when it is packaged? | 12:15 |
| SteveA | spiv: and get lp developers using smartserver transports with that? | 12:16 |
| ddaa | jamesh: can you take over spec-branch? | 12:16 |
| spiv | SteveA: 0.11 that's already there (and in edgy) is already sufficient for that. | 12:16 |
| SteveA | yes, but what's the point of testing that? | 12:16 |
| ddaa | since _thumper_ is going to be away till december | 12:16 |
| spiv | That said, getting more testing for the 0.12 release candidate would be good. | 12:16 |
| SteveA | right | 12:16 |
| jamesh | ddaa: okay. Is there a spec of what needs to be done? | 12:17 |
| SteveA | so I want you to announce in thursday's meeting, and on the list on wednesday, what to do and how to do it, and call for testing | 12:17 |
| spiv | Well, the smart server protocol is (I hope!) unchanged in 0.12, although the underlying code is largely the same. | 12:17 |
| SteveA | we'll have packages available, and on devpad by the end of tomorrow | 12:17 |
| ddaa | jamesh: last I heard of it, the main todo was adding a descriptive text to spec-branches | 12:17 |
| poolie | SteveA: and let's please get a poll the following week of how many people tried it | 12:17 |
| ddaa | jamesh: we can sync on that later this week | 12:17 |
| SteveA | poolie: ok, +1 | 12:17 |
| jamesh | ddaa: okay | 12:17 |
| spiv | That means that regardless of devpad, developers can use/test 0.11 or 0.12 or bzr.dev on the client already., | 12:17 |
| poolie | and did they either have no problems, or have htem and not report them, etc | 12:17 |
| ddaa | jamesh: better to talk it through first, it's not urgent | 12:18 |
| spiv | Obviously it would be good to get devpad upgraded so we can test the server-side too, but that can happen independently. | 12:18 |
| jamesh | ddaa: yep | 12:18 |
| spiv | SteveA: I've already added a proposed agenda item for Thursday's meeting. I'm happy to send a mail on Wednesday. | 12:18 |
| ddaa | is that a completed agenda item? | 12:19 |
| ddaa | I guess so. | 12:19 |
| ddaa | == singapore meeting == | 12:19 |
| ddaa | Did not have time to tell more about "releasing cscvs" to poolie. So let's have a discussion now or soon to clarify the issue. | 12:19 |
| SteveA | spiv: or, send a mail already saying how to use it | 12:19 |
| SteveA | and we'll tell people to upgrade in the meeting | 12:19 |
| spiv | SteveA: sure | 12:20 |
| SteveA | thanks | 12:20 |
| ddaa | poolie: I gather you are on a meeting, so please call back on me when you are free | 12:20 |
| poolie | ddaa: just read your later replies on the russkaya thread | 12:20 |
| poolie | good work there | 12:20 |
| jamesh | I suppose we should upgrade launchpad's bzr to 0.12 at some point too -- should be easier than the previous update | 12:20 |
| ddaa | the cscvs release thing is important (at least to me) so i really want it discussed in singapore | 12:20 |
| ddaa | poolie: thank you | 12:21 |
| SteveA | poolie: I added a note for the poll for next week to the lp meeting agenda | 12:21 |
| ddaa | poolie: ack for getting back to me about cscvs release? | 12:21 |
| SteveA | jamesh: yes, who can do that? does it need to be lifeless? | 12:21 |
| poolie | ddaa: why don't you call me after this meeting? i'm at Carlton.com.sg, room "Victoria 2" | 12:22 |
| ddaa | poolie: ? | 12:22 |
| jamesh | SteveA: the API changes between 0.11 and 0.12 are probably fairly minor, so we probably don't need to do a concurrent update of multiple modules | 12:22 |
| poolie | ddaa: i meant, call me and we'll talk about cscvs | 12:22 |
| jamesh | SteveA: so I don't think it needs to be lifeless | 12:22 |
| poolie | or, send me mail | 12:22 |
| poolie | whatever works for you | 12:22 |
| === ddaa checks phone rates to singapore | ||
| SteveA | ddaa: who has rights to update bzr code in RF ? | 12:23 |
| ddaa | SteveA: afaik, lifeless only | 12:23 |
| jamesh | iirc spiv and me do | 12:23 |
| SteveA | ddaa: I use skype out for calls like this, with some success. is quite cheap | 12:23 |
| spiv | I believe jamesh is correct. | 12:23 |
| SteveA | ok | 12:23 |
| SteveA | I propose updating bzr in lp asac (convenient). ddaa, do you agree? | 12:24 |
| ddaa | sure, there will probably be the usual compatibility fixes, but I'm all for a more bleeding edge launchpad | 12:24 |
| SteveA | I'm propsing this because we have a release now | 12:25 |
| SteveA | not because it is bleeding edge | 12:25 |
| ddaa | "we have a release" ? | 12:25 |
| ddaa | anyway, sure, let's upgrade bzr | 12:26 |
| jamesh | ddaa: 0.12 is very near release | 12:26 |
| ddaa | okay | 12:27 |
| ddaa | So, meeting agenda complete. | 12:27 |
| SteveA | thanks ddaa. I enjoyed this meeting | 12:28 |
| SteveA | ddaa: I'd like to try getting silva imported pretty soon | 12:28 |
| SteveA | so I can demonstrate bzr here at infrae with their own product | 12:29 |
| ddaa | SteveA: same bug as usual with silva | 12:29 |
| SteveA | they already use launchpad to translate silva | 12:29 |
| SteveA | what bug is that? | 12:29 |
| ddaa | blocked on new cscvs changeset logic, recently reviewed by BjornW | 12:29 |
| ddaa | lot of work to make it land though | 12:29 |
| SteveA | why a lot of work? | 12:29 |
| ddaa | because it's a hell of a large branch | 12:30 |
| ddaa | and I did not spend much time polishing it before review | 12:30 |
| SteveA | lots of review comments then | 12:30 |
| ddaa | I just got the code done and working. So yeah, lots of review stuff, bad class names and stuff like that. | 12:31 |
| ddaa | missing documentation too | 12:31 |
| ddaa | oh, that's way cool | 12:32 |
| ddaa | I have free calls to singapore landlines :) | 12:32 |
| ddaa | poolie: what number can I reach you on? | 12:33 |
| poolie | ddaa: actually could we talk about this time tomorrow? | 12:38 |
| poolie | or actually, mail me first and we'll go from there, pleas | 12:39 |
| ddaa | okay, will mail you soon | 12:39 |
| ddaa | on top of my todo list | 12:39 |
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