[12:22] <helmut> Please tell me about whom to contact or I'll blacklist launchpad.net. Good night. (I'll stay here and read tomorrow or later.)
[12:23] <crimsun> hmm, DDs are getting the build failure notifications, too/
[12:24] <Nafallo> yepp :-/
[12:24] <helmut> ok. could you change that policy?
[12:24] <helmut> There are two good options:
[12:25] <helmut> 1) ASK DDs (and other maintainers) _before_ using their packages.
[12:25] <helmut> 2) Change the maintainer.
[12:25] <Nafallo> helmut: I think infinity turned off the thing that sends mail, and that it got sent for DDs are a bug.
[12:25] <crimsun> helmut: I have no privileges to modify any of the internals.
[12:26] <helmut> Nafallo: I like mails, but I'd like to decide what packages I maintain.
[12:26] <Nafallo> helmut: indeed :-)
[12:26] <helmut> Could you file a ROM bug for me?
[12:26] <crimsun> I noticed that the build failure notifications I received are all from straight syncs.
[12:26] <Nafallo> okt 22 20:10:55 <infinity>      Argh, it's definitely a bug that it's mailing Debian maintainers. :/
[12:26] <Nafallo> okt 22 20:11:21 *       infinity turns off the buildd-sequencer until he can get ahold of Team Soyuz.
[12:27] <helmut> ok.
[12:27] <helmut> I recently reported a ROM against slate for etch and slate is removed.
[12:28] <helmut> slate isn't further developed. That's why I advise to remove it from ubuntu, too.
[12:28] <helmut> Anyway change the maintainer if you wish to continue using that package.
[12:29] <Nafallo> I think we do that now. 
[12:29] <Nafallo> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[12:29] <Nafallo> Original-Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Media Team <motumedia@tauware.de>
[12:29] <ajmitch> helmut: the maintainer change is being done when packages are rebuilt, I believe
[12:29] <helmut> ok.
[12:30] <helmut> Could you somehow take care of the package either being removed or the maintainer address being changed? I don't care what happens as long I don't get requests to fix bugs in a package I don't maintain.
[12:31] <helmut> (Indeed I don't really have a problem with maintaining packages for ubuntu, too. I do have a problem with not beeing asked to do that though.)
[12:31] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:31] <Nafallo> I can understand that
[12:33] <helmut> thanks
[12:34] <Nafallo> np
[12:34] <helmut> Why not send a polite mail to maintainers asking them to maintain their packages for ubuntu, too?
[12:34] <crimsun> Nafallo: have you already filed? I was just about to press Submit.
[12:34] <Nafallo> crimsun: yepp
[12:34] <helmut> Yeah that "floods" too, but the maintainer can then decide if he or she really wants to do that.
[12:35] <Nafallo> helmut: sure, but we currently import source from Debian and builds it. then we have the Masters of the Universe who cares for the bugs, so you shouldn't have to maintain it if you don't want to.
[12:37] <helmut> Thanks for you support and good bye.
[12:37] <Nafallo> helmut: bye, nice talking to you :-)
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67640 in malone "Bug report form doesn't say anything about supported markup." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67640
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67646 in launchpad "+editwikinames doesn't support MediaWiki" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67646
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67653 in malone "Product for linking to upstream bug trackers doesn't know about all of universe." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67653
[02:55] <Nick_Hill> There seems to be a problem with identifying the right product on Launchpad. This led me up the garden path, until a far more knowledgeable person on #ubuntu+1 put me right.
[02:57] <Nick_Hill> go to www.launchpad.net. Type in name of Ubuntu package (eg sane). Click on sane-backends. See only one bug for sane-backends. try to submit a bug for sane-backends on edgy. Then I get message:  sane-backends does not use Malone as its bug tracker
[02:57] <Nick_Hill> I feel the path I took is the obvious path for anyone to take, but it led me completely the wrong way.
[02:58] <Nick_Hill> I have spent 3 hours trying to isolate and create a decent bug report for the failing scanner in Edgy. If it were not for the help I received in using Launchpad, the bug would go un-filed.
[03:54] <Nick_Hill> I believe many users (possibly most) who search for a package on Launchpad will expect it to direct them to the Ubuntu package bug page. I feel Ubuntu will benefit if that is the case. Else, mirror the bugs for Ubuntu, and only Ubuntu at a web address such as bugs.ubuntu.com and direct peope searching for Ubuntu packages there.
[08:35] <SteveA> good morning
[08:35] <mpt> hi SteveA 
[08:44] <SteveA> mpt: I think we should write a page like the ui-1.0 template report
[08:44] <SteveA> but add to that whether it has help in it
[08:44] <SteveA> what do you think?
[08:44] <SteveA> maybe even use the same page
[08:44] <mpt> SteveA, just what I was going to suggest
[08:44] <mpt> another column on that page
[09:03] <SteveA> mpt: call in about 55 mins
[09:06] <mpt> indeed
[09:07] <mpt> SteveA, page layout improvements in 2006-08-ui
[09:07] <mpt> Should I land these on ui-one-zero?
[09:07] <mpt> or can you pull them straight from there to the brilliant server?
[09:35] <jamesh> they've banned import of Vegemite into the U.S.
[09:35] <SteveA> mpt: I can do either
[09:35] <SteveA> mpt: do land stuff on ui-one-zero
[09:36] <SteveA> but I'll pull from your branch directly too
[09:50] <SteveA> mpt: ping
[09:52] <mpt> SteveA, pong
[10:10] <stub> jamesh: Any reason not to turn on product-release-finder.py in production? Mark and Robert say 'doit' but I'm doing a paranoia check
[10:19] <mpt> jamesh, time for the Marmite fans to gloat
[10:22] <jamesh> stub: I think it would be safe to turn on.  A while back I asked you to try a run on staging as a sanity check.  Did that get done?
[10:22] <jamesh> mpt: apparently Vegemite was banned because it contains folate.
[10:22] <jamesh> I wonder if marmite does too?
[10:25] <jamesh> mpt: http://www.marmite.co.nz/home-page/nutritional-info <- looks like Marmite would be banned under the same rules
[10:26] <mpt> heh
[10:27] <jamesh> "The bizarre crackdown was prompted because Vegemite contains folate, which in the US can be added only to breads and cereals."
[10:28] <stub> And vitamin pills I hope.
[10:28] <jamesh> stub: vitamin pills probably don't count as food
[10:29] <SteveA> you can add them to food
[10:29] <mpt> That requires further explanation
[10:29] <mpt> The US requires folate to be added to bread
[10:29] <jamesh> what I mean is that the ban of folate probably relates to food products
[10:29] <mpt> but that's not a reason to prohibit it from other foods
[10:29] <SteveA> US food inspectors are obviously feeling left out
[10:30] <SteveA> their buddies in other departments are cracking down on terrorists
[10:30] <SteveA> so, they need to start a war on vegemite
[10:30] <stub> So they should make vegemite using bread as an ingredient - just bread with an exceptionally high concentration of folate
[10:30] <mpt> bahaha
[10:30] <SteveA> they'd have to use american bread
[10:30] <SteveA> nowhere else adds folate to bread by law
[10:31] <SteveA> anyway, just change the ingredients list from "folate" to "felate" and tell them it's an australian thing
[10:31] <mpt> "... most North and South American countries now fortify their flour, along with a number of Middle Eastern countries and Indonesia. Mongolia and a number of ex-Soviet republics are amongst those having widespread voluntary fortification; about five more countries (including Morocco, the first African country) have agreed but not yet implemented fortification. Previously, the UK had decided not to fortify, mainly because of the vitamin B1
[10:31] <mpt> 2 concern. However, this decision is currently being reconsidered by the Food Standards Agency."
[10:32] <SteveA> the overall reason is, the governments of these countries thing their population is not capable of eating properly
[10:33] <jamesh> SteveA: well, in a lot of cases they're right ...
[10:33] <SteveA> well, of course if the government steps in and takes that responsibility
[10:35] <mpt> It appears to be a hoax
[10:35] <mpt> http://www.souzouzone.jp/blog/2006/10/substance_abuse.php
[10:40] <SteveA> even better
[10:49] <jordi> good morning
[10:49] <jordi> carlos: can you assign "tonyyarusso" to the "oj" language in Ubuntu translators?
[10:50] <carlos> sure
[10:50] <carlos> jordi: please, could you answer the Punjabi email?
[10:51] <jordi> yes
[10:53] <SteveA> matthewrevell: hi
[10:53] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Hello
[10:54] <carlos> jordi: thanks
[10:55] <jordi> carlos: I was talking to bubulle
[10:56] <carlos> oh, ok
[10:56] <jordi> carlos: and we might end up getting to the point that the only exit is pa_IN and pa_PK
[10:56] <jordi> which sucks
[10:56] <jordi> or at least pa and pa@arabic or whatever
[10:56] <carlos> I thought you were going to do it by email ;-)
[10:56] <jordi> but it's difficult to decide which
[10:56] <carlos> well
[10:56] <jordi> carlos: well we had a irc chat so I raised the issue :)
[10:56] <carlos> will pa only used in India?
[10:57] <carlos> will pa@arabic be used only in Pakistan?
[10:57] <carlos> if the answer is 'yes', pa_IN and pa_PK
[10:57] <carlos> if the answer is no, pa and pa@arabic
[10:57] <carlos> am I missing anything?
[10:57] <carlos> also, pa and pa@arabic would be much more easy to implement
[10:58] <carlos> because current translations under 'pa' don't need any change in GNOME, KDE and others
[10:59] <carlos> jordi: Ojibwa team exists now
[11:00] <jordi> carlos: great
[11:00] <jordi> yeah
[11:00] <jordi> I don't know how acceptable pa and pa@arabic is
[11:00] <jordi> ie, is it just the script?
[11:00] <jordi> or is it very different?
[11:01] <jordi> sr/sr@Latn vs. zh_CN/zh_TW
[11:02] <carlos> they should know it...
[11:06] <jordi> carlos: ross is asking ame about https://launchpad.net/people/vcs-imports/+branch/evolution-data-server/main
[11:06] <jordi> why is the bazaar branch not updating?
[11:06] <carlos> jordi: ddaa is your man
[11:07] <ddaa> looking
[11:08] <carlos> I don't see anything wrong at: https://launchpad.net/products/evolution-data-server/main
[11:08] <ddaa> carlos: yeah
[11:08] <ddaa> there's no useful feedback system for users atm
[11:08] <ddaa> it's not very easy to fix
[11:09] <ddaa> carlos: RuntimeError: CVS repository location has changed
[11:09] <carlos> jordi: ^^^
[11:09] <ddaa> please have an email sent to me with the new cvs location
[11:09] <jordi> hmm
[11:09] <jordi> I wonder what the new location is
[11:09] <carlos> did it change?
[11:10] <ddaa> mh
[11:10] <ddaa> wait
[11:10] <ddaa> it appears to be an internal cscvs error
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67706 in launchpad "Can't select text from portlets on person pages using IE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67706
[11:10] <jordi> that cvs url looks good to me
[11:10] <ddaa> weird
[11:10] <ddaa> jordi: I'll try to look at it today
[11:10] <carlos> perhaps you got a broken cvs mirror....
[11:11] <ddaa> apparently the error is that the cscvs cache and the cvs checkout disagree about the location of the repo
[11:12] <jordi> ok, the url is correct
[11:12] <ddaa> so I need to dig into the system to figure out wtf is going on
[11:12] <ddaa> cscvs does not support things like changes of the module location in the repo
[11:13] <ddaa> I guess that's what this error is about
[11:16] <ddaa> jordi: I'll look at that this afternoon. I have a meeting in less than one hour.
[11:18] <jordi> ddaa: okay
[11:23] <jordi> oi danilos 
[11:23] <danilos> hi jordi
[11:25] <carlos> danilos: hey dude!
[11:25] <danilos> hey carlos
[11:53] <SteveA> jordi: ping
[11:53] <SteveA> poolie: hi, how's the release going?
[11:53] <poolie> hi SteveA
[11:53] <poolie> since it's 4am in chicago it probably hasn't started yet
[11:54] <SteveA> ok, I'll keep the champaigne cooling for now.
[11:54] <poolie> how's holland?
[11:54] <poolie> which city are you in again?
[11:54] <ddaa> the standard answer to that is "flat"
[11:55] <ddaa> in the same way that the standard answer to "how's england" is "wet"
[11:55] <poolie> so is singapore
[11:55] <poolie> flat and smokey
[11:56] <SteveA> today, I'm in rotterdam
[11:56] <ddaa> there are only two things that stick out in holland: windmills and footballers
[11:56] <SteveA> from the start of next month, I'll be in amsterdam
[11:56] <SteveA> goedemorgen ddaa
[11:57] <ddaa> SteveA: hello, meeting time?
[11:57] <SteveA> already?  wow, it's all go this morning
[12:02] <poolie> ddaa: we're in a meeting here, we should maybe skip?
[12:25] <jordi> SteveA: hello
[12:25] <SteveA> hi jordi 
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67719 in malone "Bugzilla bug syncing stuffed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67719
[01:19] <salgado> is staging down?
[01:23] <carlos> seems like that
[01:25] <salgado> thanks carlos 
[01:38] <carlos> salgado: fixed
[01:55] <pirast> will the malone email interface support attachments?
[01:57] <BjornT> pirast: yes it will. i'm not sure when it will be implemented, though, there's quite a lot of functionality waiting to be implemented.
[01:57] <pirast> BjornT, thanks
[01:57] <pirast> btw, I always sign my mails..
[01:58] <pirast> but, is it correct that it is not needed in order to use the e-mail interface?
[01:58] <pirast> and it is a little bit annoying to see the signature always on launchpad.net
[01:59] <BjornT> pirast: it's needed if you want to change something, for example change the status or assignee.
[01:59] <BjornT> it's not needed for adding comments to bugs.
[01:59] <pirast> BjornT, k..
[02:00] <pirast> thanks
[02:00] <BjornT> np
[02:16] <salgado> spiv, around?
[02:19] <jamesh> PQM is hosed
[02:21] <jamesh> very fragile test in zope too, by the look of it
[02:23] <SteveA> in what sense is PQM hosed?
[02:23] <SteveA> in that zope tests are always failing, so preventing merges?
[02:24] <carlos> later!
[02:35] <jamesh> SteveA: it looks like one particular test has hung
[02:36] <jamesh> SteveA: it tried to set up a web server on a particular port, which failed and I guess it is still trying to connect to that port
[02:37] <jamesh> the test would be more robust if it tried to bind to None, and then used whatever port got assigned to it
[02:39] <jamesh> I guess PQM will eventually kill the test suite when it times out though.
[02:41] <SteveA> I wonder why this has changed just now
[03:01] <SteveA> jamesh: what zope test is it?
[03:01] <SteveA> zope/fssync/tests/test_network.py
[03:01] <SteveA> ah
[03:02] <SteveA> that's even deprecated code!
[03:07] <salgado> has stub been around today?
[03:08] <SteveA> someone register this in the spec tracker: http://www.gnome.org/~michael/print-button-spec.png
[03:08] <SteveA> salgado: he's been in meatspace meetings in singapore today
[03:09] <salgado> SteveA, ah, thanks. will email him
[03:57] <j-a-meinel> jamesh: It looks like pqm is stuck on one of your merge requests. Do you have any way of checking more closely?
[03:58] <jamesh> j-a-meinel: I was hoping it would clear itself when the test runner failed to generate more output -- I guess we should get the admins to reset it
[03:58] <j-a-meinel> Other than lifeless, who can you ask to do that?
[03:59] <jamesh> stub (who is in the same timezone as lifeless right now) or the admins
[03:59] <j-a-meinel> stub is in Singapore?
[04:00] <jamesh> yeah
[04:06] <jamesh> j-a-meinel: Spads killed the zope test suite, which should clear up that job
[04:10] <j-a-meinel> thanks, it looks like it is on to the next test.
[04:10] <j-a-meinel> Also, has anyone commented about having a "Project Admin" role. Which could mark branches as merged, etc, even though they aren't the owner?
[04:11] <j-a-meinel> I can look in the launchpad tracker, but figured I should start a discussion here first.
[04:11] <jamesh> j-a-meinel: we've got a "landing_target" field for branch records that isn't currently exposed
[04:12] <jamesh> j-a-meinel: and lifeless has a spec for including information about a branch's complete ancestry in the database
[04:12] <jamesh> together they'd make it possible to quickly answer the question of whether a branch has been fully merged into its target
[04:12] <j-a-meinel> Sure.
[04:13] <j-a-meinel> Which would be nicer than doing it manually, but it also seems like there are cases where you need to whack people's branches into submission, even when the person cannot be contacted.
[04:13] <j-a-meinel> Though I guess that could just be a db-admin request.
[04:14] <jamesh> people on the Launchpad Admins team would have permission.  We don't currently give product owners any extra permissions over other people's branches though
[04:57] <ddaa> jordi: evolution-data-server had an interesting bustage
[04:57] <ddaa> I think the import has been broken ever since it was first published
[04:59] <carlos> ddaa: yeah, its last commit is quite old...
[04:59] <ddaa> actually, the import was done from a tarball
[05:00] <ddaa> of the cvs repo
[05:00] <ddaa> and the location of that tarball got recorded in the cache
[05:00] <ddaa> import-from-cvs-tarball has been deprecated for months
[05:01] <ddaa> so I did what I could to unbust it, but it's likely to need a new import from scratch
[05:01] <ddaa> duh
[05:01] <ddaa> okay, that's funky
[05:01] <ddaa> it causes the cvs log parser to blow up
[05:06] <jamesh> e-d-s is likely to have a fair bit of CVS surgery in its history
[05:06] <jamesh> given that most of the code began in the evolution module
[05:06] <ddaa> yeah
[05:07] <ddaa> it's blowing on some inconsistency about "branches" lines not reflecting the revision numbers found in log
[05:07] <ddaa> it might be that the import-from-tarball was busted in some way that made that problem ignored, or it might that some later surgery is causing the problem
[05:08] <ddaa> I'm not sure that clearing the import and redoing from scratch would help
[05:14] <jordi> jamesh: wasn't it injected from the ximian cvs as well?
[05:14] <jordi> I see I've found a bad bitch here :)
[05:14] <carlos> jordi: yep
[05:15] <ddaa> jordi: does that mean there was some serious cvs surgery in the past couple of years?
[05:15] <jordi> it's possible, as jamesh said
[05:15] <jordi> I'm not sure tho
[05:15] <ddaa> The import was done using gnome cvs tarballs made by jdub waaaaay back
[05:16] <jordi> heh
[05:17] <ddaa> latest actual commit there is 2004-04-07
[05:18] <ddaa> mh... it probably needs a fresh import anyway
[06:00] <jbailey> I'm trying to link a bug in Ubuntu to a bug in Debian, but it's claiming that the source package "linux-2.6" is invalid.
[06:00] <jbailey> Is there something magic that I have to tweak for that?
[06:00] <LarstiQ> you should be able to paste the full url?
[06:01] <jbailey> Into the source package name?
[06:01] <jbailey> Or do you mean https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/67773/+distrotask ?
[06:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67773 in linux-source-2.6.17 "msync() in recent kernels fails LSB" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:01] <LarstiQ> when linking up the bug
[06:02] <jbailey> I've selected the distribution.  I've put linux-2.6 in the Source PAckage Name, and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394392 in the URL
[06:02] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 394392 in linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 "msync() in recent kernels fails LSB" [Important,Open]  
[06:02] <LarstiQ> ah.
[06:02] <jbailey> It's claiming that "linux-2.6" is an invalid value in the source package name.
[06:02] <LarstiQ> what happens if you leave the package name out entirely?
[06:03] <jbailey> That seems to work.
[06:05] <BjornT> jbailey: i guess linux-2.6 doesn't exist in Ubuntu? in that case we probably need to import that from Debian somehow. could you please file a bug about it?
[06:05] <jbailey> BjornT: Correct, it doesn't.
[06:06] <ddaa> jordi: I set up e-d-s to do an import from scratch
[06:07] <ddaa> might or might not work...
[06:08] <ddaa> duh... dtv is so crack
[06:08] <ddaa> svn co does not actually work on their repo!
[06:08] <jamesh> it'd be nice if having two batteries didn't mean your laptop shut itself down automatically twice while they're discharging ...
[06:09] <LarstiQ> demoscene.tv?
[06:09] <LarstiQ> jamesh: heh
[06:09] <jbailey> BjornT: Thanks, done.
[06:09] <ddaa> LarstiQ: participatoryculture stuff
[06:10] <LarstiQ> ddaa: democracyplayerish?
[06:10] <jamesh> LarstiQ: bug 60442: Ubuntu does an automatic shutdown when the extra battery discharges (even though I've got 4 hours left on the main battery)
[06:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60442
[06:10] <ddaa> their repo appears to carry a ton of shit like a whole libboost...
[06:10] <ddaa> LarstiQ: yeah
[06:10] <LarstiQ> I'd wager.
[06:10] <jordi> ddaa: heh yeah
[06:10] <ddaa> and an actual CVS directory at the top
[06:11] <jordi> evo was a pile of shit at some point
[06:11] <ddaa> (maybe deeper as well)
[06:11] <ddaa> jordi: "at some point"?
[06:11] <jordi> they had a CVS directory?
[06:11] <jordi> oh, it is now?
[06:11] <jordi> :D
[06:11] <ddaa> I'm talking about dtv
[06:12] <ddaa> jordi: but well, evo is a nice calendaring app
[06:12] <ddaa> it would be real cool if they actually had a mail client that did not crash 2 or 3 times a day
[06:12] <jordi> evo's getting nice lately
[06:12] <jordi> when they stopped adding a ton of features, all of them crashy
[06:13] <ddaa> and if it did not send my workstation to swap death when trying to move a few thousand emails across boxes on my local imap server
[06:13] <ddaa> and if it did not have the habit of having its own medata _outside_ of the imap boxes
[06:14] <ddaa> and if it was actually responsive
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[06:15] <jordi> i dunno what's with that imap implementation
[06:16] <jordi> but it's terrible
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67777 in launchpad "Cannot link bug to source package "linux-2.6" in Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67777
[06:20] <jbailey> evolution is *wonderfully* responsive on a dual 2.5ghz PPC64 box with 6GB of memory ;)
[06:21] <Nafallo> lol'
[06:21] <ddaa> jbailey: do you realise that by running evo on that system you are noticeably accelerating the heat death of the universe?
[06:22] <jbailey> You know what they say, "You can't take it with you"...
[06:22] <jbailey> But why should I leave anything else behind for anyone else? ;)
[06:24] <jbailey> ddaa: And frankly, I suspect that I'm accelerating it less than on a lesser system.  I'm be surprised if entropy created from just running the machine was greater than the entropy created by the harddrive swapping and swapping and swapping...
[06:25] <ddaa> actually evolution runs on little quantum gnomes that eat the substance of spacetime. By running it on a faster system, you are giving the evil little gnomes more power to achieve their nefarious plans.
[06:26] <ddaa> Actual physical entropy is negligible compared to that.
[06:35] <BjornT> kiko: ping?
[06:38] <khext> where i should write, if i'd like to merge my launchpad accounts?
[06:42] <salgado> khext, if you have access to the email addresses of both accounts you can use https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[06:43] <khext> no, the problem is that i don't have access to my old address(
[06:44] <khext> saldago, i've read the instruction... there is: "contact launchpad support team" in this case
[06:44] <salgado> ah, right
[06:45] <salgado> SteveA, can you merge khext accounts?
[06:46] <SteveA> khext: hi
[06:46] <khext> SteveA: hi
[06:46] <SteveA> let's talk about merging your accounts.  I'll send you a privmsg.
[06:49] <ddaa> amazing
[06:49] <ddaa> there's an actual "HEAD" branch in the evolution-data-server repo
[06:50] <carlos> ddaa: isn't that the default one for cvs ?
[06:50] <ddaa> HEAD is not a branch
[06:51] <ddaa> it's a "magic tag" that points to the tip of the MAIN branch
[06:51] <ddaa> and that also honors default versions
[06:51] <ddaa> well, except in e-d-s...
[06:52] <ddaa> I do not really understand it myself
[07:01] <BaKKaR> any launchpad admin in here please ?
[07:08] <SteveA> BaKKaR: hi.  What's up?
[07:09] <BaKKaR> hallo SteveA 
[07:09] <BaKKaR> i am just stuck
[07:09] <BaKKaR> forgot my Launchpad e-mail
[07:09] <SteveA> you mean, you can't log in?
[07:09] <BaKKaR> yes
[07:10] <SteveA> do you know what username you used?
[07:10] <BaKKaR> yes
[07:10] <SteveA> what is it?
[07:10] <BaKKaR> my wiki name wbakkar
[07:10] <BaKKaR> "Waleed Bakkar"
[07:10] <SteveA> https://launchpad.net/people/wbakkar
[07:10] <SteveA> that is your page
[07:11] <BaKKaR> it's looking
[07:11] <BaKKaR> *loading
[07:11] <SteveA> so, there is an email address on that account
[07:11] <SteveA> but it is listed as private
[07:11] <SteveA> so, I, as a launchpad administrator, can see it
[07:11] <BaKKaR> yes
[07:12] <BaKKaR> that is my page
[07:12] <SteveA> but I'm not going to just say what it is, because the email address is private
[07:12] <BaKKaR> ummmm
[07:12] <BaKKaR> ok
[07:12] <SteveA> let's talk in a privmsg, and see what we can work out
[07:12] <BaKKaR> if there is "actually " an e-mail there
[07:12] <BaKKaR> would u please to send me a reset
[07:12] <BaKKaR> i am trying to look it up in 7 accounts for 2 days now :)
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67790 in soyuz "non-release pockets should be available before release" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67790
[07:37] <SteveA> carlos: ping
[07:37] <carlos> SteveA: pong
[07:37] <SteveA> please see the question from Ng in the canonical channel
[07:38] <carlos> done, thanks
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67797 in launchpad "I do not want to receive other e-mail in spitha@hypersystems.gr" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67797
[08:08] <BaKKaR> hallo
[08:09] <SteveA> hi again BaKKaR 
[08:09] <BaKKaR> to sign the Key of conduct, I have recived an e-mail to confirm my gpg key, how can i decrypt it pls
[08:09] <SteveA> the code of conduct
[08:09] <BaKKaR> *code of conduct
[08:09] <SteveA> yep
[08:09] <SteveA> that all depends how you send email
[08:10] <BaKKaR> Launchpad sent me the e-mail to confirm my gpg key
[08:10] <SteveA> if your email program doesn't do it for you, you'll want to put the raw text of the email into a file on your disk
[08:10] <SteveA> and then decrypt it with   gpg -d filename
[08:10] <BaKKaR> done that sir
[08:10] <BaKKaR> uhaa
[08:10] <SteveA> I use thunderbird for email
[08:10] <SteveA> and it has an integration with gpg
[08:10] <BaKKaR> i tryed gpg --decrypt .. from the man pages
[08:10] <SteveA> ok
[08:11] <BaKKaR> and it told me that secret key not avliable
[08:11] <BaKKaR> didn't see in the man options secret keys strings
[08:13] <SteveA> perhaps you didn't upload the right key to launchpad?
[08:16] <BaKKaR> ummmm
[08:17] <BaKKaR> i did gpg --fingerprint
[08:17] <BaKKaR> the output was filled in launchpad
[08:19] <SteveA> and you did gpg --send-key first?
[08:20] <SteveA> I guess you must have
[08:20] <SteveA> for launchpad to send you that encrypted email
[08:24] <SteveA> did you create the gpg key just for launchpad, or did you use it before?
[08:24] <BaKKaR> yes sir
[08:24] <BaKKaR> nop
[08:24] <BaKKaR> just for launchpad
[08:25] <SteveA> ok, then we need to check you can actually use your gpg keys normally first
[08:25] <SteveA> and then we'll check that you can use it via launchpad
[08:26] <SteveA> so, let's start by going to a new directory for experimenting with this stuff
[08:26] <SteveA> ready?
[08:26] <SteveA> cd /tmp/
[08:26] <SteveA> mkdir /tmp/gpgtest
[08:26] <SteveA> cd gpgtest
[08:26] <SteveA> ok
[08:26] <SteveA> ?
[08:26] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:27] <BaKKaR> all done Mr.Steve
[08:27] <SteveA> next, make a small file that we can try encrypting and decrypting
[08:27] <SteveA> echo "hello, a test" > test.txt 
[08:27] <BaKKaR> by touch ?
[08:27] <SteveA> then, to check: cat test.txt
[08:27] <SteveA> ok?
[08:28] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:28] <SteveA> (sorry if this is all very basic, just want to make sure we're doing the same things)
[08:28] <BaKKaR> i am lovin it
[08:28] <BaKKaR> :)
[08:28] <SteveA> next, encrypt it: gpg -ea test.txt
[08:28] <BaKKaR> actually i am embrrassed that i am over using ur time
[08:28] <SteveA> it might ask you what key to use, and will ask you for your passphrase
[08:29] <BaKKaR> it says ..
[08:29] <BaKKaR> enter user id empty with end file
[08:30] <SteveA> so, type in the email address you used for your gpg id when you created the key
[08:30] <SteveA> then press enter
[08:30] <BaKKaR> it has listed my gpg key as" currunt recpints"
[08:30] <SteveA> then press enter again
[08:30] <SteveA> good
[08:30] <SteveA> you're writing an encrypted message to yourself
[08:31] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:31] <BaKKaR> should i cat it now ?
[08:31] <SteveA> do ls
[08:31] <SteveA> ls
[08:31] <SteveA>  you will have a new file, test.txt.asc
[08:31] <BaKKaR> right
[08:31] <BaKKaR> saw it now
[08:31] <SteveA> that's what the "-a" bit in "gpg -ea" means
[08:31] <SteveA> e for encrypt
[08:31] <SteveA> a for in an ascii format, not binary
[08:31] <SteveA> you can do: cat test.txt.asc
[08:31] <BaKKaR> uhaaaa
[08:32] <BaKKaR> should be used with text files then, no ?
[08:32] <SteveA> and you'll see some stuff a bit like what the email from launchpad looked like
[08:32] <SteveA> no
[08:32] <BaKKaR> exactelly  i see it now encrypted
[08:32] <SteveA> it means that the output -- the encrypted message -- is in ascii
[08:32] <SteveA> the input can be anything
[08:32] <BaKKaR> uhaa
[08:32] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:32] <BaKKaR> all till now seems on track
[08:32] <SteveA> if you didn't use -ea but just used -e
[08:33] <SteveA> it would look horrible and might cause problems in your terminal if you did cat on it
[08:33] <BaKKaR> oh
[08:33] <BaKKaR> thanks for the tip
[08:33] <SteveA> because it would be a binary file
[08:33] <SteveA> ok, next, we try to decrypt it
[08:33] <SteveA> gpg -d test.txt.asc
[08:34] <BaKKaR> ok.
[08:34] <SteveA> what happened?
[08:34] <BaKKaR> it echoed to my terminal the original text
[08:35] <BaKKaR> i think that is the decryption.
[08:37] <SteveA> ok, that's good
[08:37] <SteveA> so, that means your gpg key works
[08:37] <SteveA> so, do gpg --fingerprint your@email.for.gpg
[08:37] <SteveA> like, the email address you used in the test above
[08:37] <SteveA> is that the same fingerprint as you added to launchpad?
[08:38] <BaKKaR> nop
[08:38] <SteveA> aha
[08:38] <SteveA> so, I think you added the wrong fingerprint to launchpad
[08:38] <SteveA> maybe for a different key
[08:39] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:39] <SteveA> so, try adding that fingerprint, and getting a new email
[08:39] <BaKKaR> just pls give me sec.s to double check
[08:39] <SteveA> and see if you can decrypt the new email
[08:41] <BaKKaR> worked now
[08:41] <BaKKaR> :)
[08:42] <BaKKaR> "The key 1024D/7A36BA23 was successfully validated. "
[08:42] <BaKKaR> ouch!
[08:42] <BaKKaR> i shouldn't post that, no ?
[08:44] <SteveA> doesn't matter
[08:45] <SteveA> it's public information
[08:45] <SteveA> just, keep your private key private
[08:45] <SteveA> if it doesn't end with .pub, keep it private
[08:48] <BaKKaR> sure
[08:48] <BaKKaR> thank you alot SteveA 
[08:48] <BaKKaR> how can I ever repay you ?
[08:49] <BaKKaR> I am now an Ubuntero :)
[08:50] <SteveA> cool.  you've promised not to be crass to people on irc and mailing lists, and to work for the good of the community.
[08:51] <BaKKaR> never was even b4 that. So I signed that with no prob.s
[08:51] <BaKKaR> but when I reinstall Ubuntu incase something went wrong ..my gpg key is gone ?
[08:53] <SteveA> that depends
[08:54] <BaKKaR> can you refare me to any link
[08:54] <SteveA> it's a good idea to put your gpg key -- both private and public parts, somewhere safe as a backup.
[08:54] <BaKKaR> i am really over useing your generousity here
[08:54] <SteveA> but somewhere that they won't be found for example by crackers
[08:54] <BaKKaR> like my mail box ?
[08:54] <SteveA> I don't know what you mean by that
[08:55] <BaKKaR> the mail box that i should not forget :)
[08:55] <SteveA> somewhere not on a server
[08:55] <BaKKaR> my e-mail inbox
[08:55] <BaKKaR> oh
[08:55] <BaKKaR> i see
[08:55] <SteveA> like, I keep mine on a USB key
[08:55] <BaKKaR> i can have it on my phone memory as well
[08:55] <coreymon77> can someone help me with registering an openpgp key?
[08:55] <BaKKaR> SteveA, 
[08:55] <BaKKaR> can i take this one ?
[08:55] <SteveA> you can maybe write them onto a CD, and put the CD somewhere secret
[08:56] <SteveA> sure, go ahead
[08:56] <BaKKaR> coreymon77, you need to make a gpg key ?
[08:56] <coreymon77> no
[08:56] <coreymon77> i have on
[08:56] <coreymon77> eand launchpad sent me a gibberish email
[08:56] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:56] <coreymon77> and said i had to decrypt it
[08:56] <coreymon77> but i dont knwo how
[08:56] <BaKKaR> let's make sure first that your gpg key is working , ok ?
[08:56] <coreymon77> okay
[08:57] <BaKKaR> pls ...
[08:57] <BaKKaR> do : cd /tmp
[08:57] <coreymon77> btw
[08:57] <BaKKaR> and then make a new dir
[08:57] <coreymon77> im using kubuntu
[08:57] <BaKKaR> it's still the same :)
[08:57] <BaKKaR> go to /tmp
[08:57] <coreymon77> okay
[08:57] <coreymon77> do i need root for this?
[08:58] <BaKKaR> then make a directory .. mkdir /tmp/gpgtest
[08:58] <BaKKaR> no, you dont
[08:58] <coreymon77> okay
[08:58] <coreymon77> done
[08:58] <carlos> later!
[08:58] <BaKKaR> now we are going to creat a file and encrypt it ...
[08:58] <BaKKaR> in your terminal do ...
[08:58] <coreymon77> can i do this graphically
[08:59] <BaKKaR> echo "This is my msg" > test.txt
[08:59] <BaKKaR> how hard is that ?
[08:59] <BaKKaR> :)
[08:59] <coreymon77> nvm
[08:59] <coreymon77> done
[08:59] <BaKKaR> ok
[08:59] <BaKKaR> now we will encrypt it useing your gpg key
[08:59] <BaKKaR> do
[09:00] <BaKKaR> gpg -ae test.txt
[09:00] <BaKKaR> the -e is for encryption
[09:00] <BaKKaR> -a will make your encrypted text be in ASCII format. so it will look more friendly on your terminal
[09:00] <coreymon77> Enter the user ID.  End with an empty line: 
[09:00] <BaKKaR> ok
[09:01] <BaKKaR> type here the e-mail you used for your gpg key
[09:01] <coreymon77> you mean
[09:01] <coreymon77> in my terminal
[09:01] <coreymon77> or in the channel
[09:02] <BaKKaR> in your terminal , right next to the gpg ID request
[09:02] <BaKKaR> so you can tell the gpg program which key you want to use
[09:02] <lucasvo> is there something an equivalent to Ubuntu Summit for LP?
[09:02] <lucasvo> -something
[09:02] <BaKKaR> am not sure.
[09:03] <SteveA> lucasvo: not really.  there are some launchpad people at UDS.
[09:03] <coreymon77> i think this is a different key from the one i have before
[09:03] <BaKKaR> you might want to use the same key you will sign the COC with
[09:03] <coreymon77> the thing before the / had an A at the end
[09:04] <BaKKaR> i beg you pardon ?
[09:04] <BaKKaR> what thing
[09:05] <coreymon77> you know how its 4 numbers and a letter and then a / and then a bunch more numbers and letters
[09:05] <BaKKaR> yes
[09:05] <lucasvo> coreymon77: after the slash is the number
[09:05] <BaKKaR> it actually listed the key you just entered it's ID i think
[09:05] <coreymon77> the letter right before the slash from what i can remember was an A before
[09:05] <lucasvo> sub   2048g/1EAA169E 2005-06-27 [expires: 2007-06-27] 
[09:06] <BaKKaR> that would be the key you have selected
[09:06] <coreymon77> its not now
[09:06] <BaKKaR> if you don't want to enter another one "Hit enter"
[09:06] <coreymon77> oh
[09:06] <BaKKaR> Hit Enter for now
[09:06] <coreymon77> i know what happened
[09:07] <coreymon77> the generate gpg key thing froze the first time i did it
[09:07] <BaKKaR> ok, wanna try again to encrypt your test file ?
[09:07] <coreymon77> so i cntrl+c'ed it and did it again
[09:07] <BaKKaR> Oh, Ic
[09:07] <coreymon77> apparently it created a key
[09:07] <coreymon77> so i think i have 2 now
[09:08] <coreymon77> and it was the second one that i submitted the fingerprint fot
[09:08] <BaKKaR> write in the e-mail for the one you want to use
[09:08] <coreymon77> they are both on the same email
[09:08] <BaKKaR> the secoond one then
[09:08] <coreymon77> what do you mean
[09:08] <coreymon77> they are both connected to the same email
[09:08] <BaKKaR> actully Launchpad sends you an email for evey fingerprint you submit
[09:09] <coreymon77> i only sent one fingerprint
[09:09] <lucasvo> SteveA: are there any guidelines for LP UI?
[09:09] <coreymon77> the second one
[09:09] <BaKKaR> ok then
[09:09] <BaKKaR> now use the second one
[09:09] <lucasvo> SteveA: the current UI is horribly inconsistent
[09:09] <BaKKaR> we will give it a try
[09:09] <SteveA> lucasvo: that's a tricky question, because there's a lot of work going on right now on a whole new UI
[09:10] <lucasvo> SteveA: I just stumbled across a new example.
[09:10] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[09:10] <SteveA> far cleaner and more consistent and more modern
[09:10] <coreymon77> lets restart
[09:10] <BaKKaR> ok.
[09:10] <coreymon77> how do i get a fingerprint for the firstone?
[09:10] <BaKKaR> gpg --fingerprint your@email.adress
[09:10] <lucasvo> SteveA: the page lp.net/people/team/+branch/product/branch
[09:10] <SteveA> lucasvo: but, you can always submit a bug (if it hasn't been reported before) if you find things that are inconsistent or confusing
[09:11] <lucasvo> SteveA: well, I'd like to check first if it is according to the guidelines and if it is supposed to change...
[09:11] <lucasvo> SteveA: especially the different usage of portlets
[09:11] <SteveA> the current UI... well, don't worry about guidelines there.  just report what you feel needs fixing.
[09:11] <coreymon77> there are two that it gives me
[09:12] <SteveA> but, we might put the fix into the new UI, because that's where the new work is going
[09:12] <BaKKaR> for the same email adress ?
[09:12] <lucasvo> SteveA: I'd rather discuss it somewhere since it affects the whole structure.
[09:12] <coreymon77> it gives me two different keys
[09:12] <coreymon77> yes
[09:12] <lucasvo> SteveA: is there a ML?
[09:12] <coreymon77> its must have not frozen
[09:12] <SteveA> lucasvo: launchpad-users.  look in the channel topic.
[09:12] <coreymon77> i only thought it did
[09:12] <SteveA> you can discuss there
[09:13] <coreymon77> and by that time it had already generated a key
[09:13] <coreymon77> so when i ran it the second time
[09:13] <coreymon77> it made a second key
[09:13] <BaKKaR> SteveA, is this possible. Two fingerprints for the same e-mail adress ?
[09:14] <lucasvo> BaKKaR: yes it is
[09:14] <BaKKaR> Ok
[09:15] <BaKKaR> coreymon77, they have the same keypass ?
[09:15] <coreymon77> you mean the thing beside pup
[09:15] <coreymon77> or the same password
[09:15] <coreymon77> pub*
[09:15] <BaKKaR> no I mean when you created your gpg key you had to choose a passkey, right ?
[09:16] <coreymon77> yup
[09:16] <coreymon77> they are the same one
[09:16] <coreymon77> same password
[09:16] <BaKKaR> then i guess you can go on
[09:16] <coreymon77> ???
[09:16] <BaKKaR> encrypting your file.
[09:17] <coreymon77> can i get rid of one of the fingerprints to get rid of this confusion?
[09:17] <BaKKaR> I would suggest that.
[09:19] <BaKKaR> coreymon77, you might want to use gpg --edit Key ID
[09:19] <SteveA> gpg --delete-secret-and-public-key fingerprint
[09:19] <SteveA> be careful with that commad
[09:19] <SteveA> command
[09:19] <BaKKaR> Thank you SteveA , life saver
[09:20] <SteveA> I looked in "man gpg"
[09:20] <SteveA> I didn't know that command before
[09:20] <BaKKaR> same i was doing now
[09:20] <SteveA> it's a bit long and technical 
[09:20] <SteveA> but all the info is in there
[09:21] <BaKKaR> there is also now gpg --edit delsig
[09:22] <SteveA> that's to remove a signature
[09:22] <SteveA> coreymon77 asked to remove a fingerprint, by which I think he means to remove a key
[09:23] <coreymon77> know what
[09:23] <coreymon77> nevermind
[09:23] <coreymon77> im using the first key
[09:23] <coreymon77> i meant remove the entire key
[09:23] <BaKKaR> Oh
[09:23] <SteveA> right.  so, the key is in two parts, public and secret.
[09:23] <SteveA> so, you really need to remove both parts.
[09:25] <coreymon77> how
[09:26] <coreymon77> ow do i remove the entire key
[09:26] <coreymon77> give me the exact command
[09:28] <coreymon77> anyone around?
[09:29] <coreymon77> forget about deleting
[09:29] <coreymon77> i jusr want to decrypt something
[09:29] <BaKKaR>  gpg --delete-secret-and-public-key fingerprint
[09:29] <BaKKaR> but he said to be carefull as it might delete it all
[09:29] <coreymon77> i want to remove it all
[09:30] <coreymon77> i only want one key
[09:30] <BaKKaR> ok then
[09:30] <BaKKaR> go ahead with that command
[09:32] <coreymon77> okay done
[09:33] <BaKKaR> do gpg --list
[09:33] <BaKKaR> any left ?
[09:36] <coreymon77> okay
[09:36] <coreymon77> thats it
[09:36] <coreymon77> i removed both keys
[09:36] <coreymon77> and im starting again
[09:36] <coreymon77> im goinna be typing alot soon
[09:36] <coreymon77> cause it asks you to do that when its generating a key
[09:36] <coreymon77> okay?
[09:37] <BaKKaR> do that in your terminal
[09:37] <BaKKaR> :)
[09:37] <coreymon77> i doesnt work when i do it ina terminal
[09:37] <BaKKaR> belive me it will, I have tried it.
[09:37] <coreymon77> making
[09:37] <coreymon77> mmaking
[09:37] <coreymon77> makiong
[09:37] <coreymon77> makiong
[09:38] <coreymon77> making
[09:38] <coreymon77> done
[09:39] <BaKKaR> ok now encryt our test file
[09:39] <BaKKaR> remember ...
[09:39] <BaKKaR> gpg -ea test.txt
[09:40] <BaKKaR> assuming you still in /tm/gpgtest/
[09:40] <coreymon77> wait
[09:40] <coreymon77> i have to get a gibberish email first
[09:40] <BaKKaR> don't you want to try your key first ?
[09:41] <BaKKaR> and btw you may call it " encrypted e-mail"
[09:43] <coreymon77> it wont let me import the key
[09:44] <coreymon77> problem
[09:44] <coreymon77> it wont let me import and ive followed all of the directions
[09:45] <coreymon77> oh i think i got something
[09:45] <coreymon77> ill call it bleh
[09:46] <coreymon77> okay
[09:46] <coreymon77> i got the email
[09:46] <coreymon77> and i saved it as bleh
[09:47] <BaKKaR> do you have gpg in your mail client ?
[09:47] <coreymon77> my mail client is firefox
[09:47] <coreymon77> i just go to gmail.com
[09:48] <coreymon77> i saved the email as bleh
[09:48] <BaKKaR> ok the copy the encrypted msg and save it to a text file
[09:48] <coreymon77> i did
[09:48] <BaKKaR> and decrypt it with ..
[09:48] <coreymon77> i saved it as bleh
[09:48] <BaKKaR> gpg -d bleh
[09:48] <coreymon77> should i cd to the directory?
[09:49] <coreymon77> should i?
[09:49] <BaKKaR> cd or write the file full path, up to you
[09:49] <BaKKaR> gpg -d /home/use/mail/bleh
[09:50] <coreymon77> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[09:50] <coreymon77> gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
[09:50] <The_Ace> I have a silly question: Are there only special admins on the ubuntu launchpad bugzilla that are allowed to close bugs?
[09:50] <BaKKaR> this is why someone was suggesting the test for me, before.
[09:51] <coreymon77> it gave me that error
[09:51] <coreymon77> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[09:51] <coreymon77> gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
[09:51] <coreymon77> okay
[09:51] <coreymon77> lets test it
[09:52] <BaKKaR> have you saved the whole msg ? or just the algibrish letters ?
[09:52] <coreymon77> the wired stuff
[09:52] <coreymon77> weird
[09:52] <BaKKaR> no you should save the "whole" email
[09:53] <coreymon77> i cant save the whole email
[09:53] <coreymon77> i can only copy/paste stuff
[09:53] <BaKKaR> copy and paste ?
[09:53] <BaKKaR> ok that's all u need
[09:54] <coreymon77> do you want the being pgp stuff?
[09:54] <coreymon77> cause i have it now
[09:54] <coreymon77> okay
[09:54] <coreymon77> now it works
[09:55] <BaKKaR> cool.
[09:56] <coreymon77> yay!
[09:56] <coreymon77> it works now
[09:56] <BaKKaR> have you signed the COC yet ?
[09:56] <coreymon77> not yet
[09:56] <coreymon77> i had to register the key first
[09:57] <coreymon77> so
[09:57] <coreymon77> donwlaod it and then sign it
[09:57] <BaKKaR> ok
[09:57] <coreymon77> meaning encrypt it with the key?
[09:58] <coreymon77> how do i sign it?
[09:59] <BaKKaR> ok
[09:59] <BaKKaR> you need to download the COC and save it.
[10:00] <coreymon77> done
[10:01] <BaKKaR> now gpg --sign (the COC file name)
[10:01] <BaKKaR> it will ask you for you keypass
[10:19] <BaKKaR> coreymon77,  did it work with you.
[10:19] <coreymon77> yup
[10:19] <coreymon77> worked
[10:19] <coreymon77> look for yourself
[10:19] <coreymon77> im an unbuntero now
[10:21] <BaKKaR> congrats. coreymon77. Now you should be friendly and helpfull on Irc, forums and on the mailing lists.
[10:21] <BaKKaR> :)
[10:21] <coreymon77> ive been on irc helping for along time before this
[10:22] <BaKKaR> then it's in the right place
[11:52] <WebMaven> Is anyone here coming to the Plone Conference?