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| theCore | is there a plan to make the list of the changes between Dapper and Edgy? | 02:22 |
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| mdke_ | morning all | 09:08 |
| pygi | hey mdke_ | 09:10 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke_ | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | 'ello | 09:13 |
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| mdke_ | hi there jono | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | jono: ! | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | good morning | 09:29 |
| jono | hey :) | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | UK people means it is time for me to sleep | 09:29 |
| jono | hows things doc heroes? | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | talk to you all another time | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | jono: your boss keeps changing the artwork, nearly fucking the artwork for teh book | 09:29 |
| mdke_ | not bad. | 09:29 |
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| mdke_ | is there any news on open sourcing the book? | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | jono: ^ | 09:29 |
| jono | mdke_, keep mails debs, but nothing yet | 09:30 |
| jono | which is frustrating | 09:30 |
| mdke_ | hmm. | 09:30 |
| jono | mdke_, will ping her again and CC youy | 09:30 |
| mdke_ | that would be good. | 09:30 |
| jono | Burgundavia, yeah, would be nice if art freeze meant what it said :P | 09:30 |
| jono | mdke_, will do that now :) | 09:30 |
| mdke_ | we should make book-incorporation one of the main aims for next release | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | jono: Ubuntu (as a project) has never made an art freeze date | 09:30 |
| jono | Burgundavia, it has? | 09:31 |
| mdke_ | I quite liked the art we had before reverting back to Dapper, tbh. Dunno what all the fuss is about | 09:31 |
| jono | Burgundavia, there was an art freeze for dapper | 09:31 |
| mdke_ | jono: he means "never successfully complied with" | 09:31 |
| tonyyarusso | Is all of the old and rejected artwork available somewhere? | 09:31 |
| jono | oh right :) | 09:32 |
| jono | I getcha | 09:32 |
| mdke_ | tonyyarusso: I think so - you can ask on the art mailing list | 09:32 |
| tonyyarusso | 'k | 09:32 |
| jono | mdke_, ok mailed, there may be a delay as she has been away due to a family thing | 09:33 |
| mdke_ | jono: thanks. Do you know what the delay has been caused by up to now? | 09:33 |
| jono | mdke_, no idea, I am sure its some internal Prentice Hall red tape | 09:33 |
| jono | debra is pretty punctual, so I doubt its a slackness | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | jono: artwork has also been the only feature to have ignored their freezes | 09:34 |
| mdke_ | I understood that Canonical had the copyright | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | so did I | 09:34 |
| jono | yep | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | and the book is technically already under the CC, by the license in the back of the book | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | we just want a electronic copy | 09:34 |
| jono | but PH are the publisher, so there are issues with clearance | 09:34 |
| jono | Burgundavia, I know, but its still a tricky process for a publisher | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, I truly need to sleep | 09:35 |
| mdke_ | Burgundavia: having an open source license without the source is not particularly helpful though | 09:35 |
| jono | yes, they should have had it online before, but hey, people get busy and rules get made | 09:35 |
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| LaserJock | mdke_: excellent spec :-) | 11:18 |
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| ray_52 | g'day all | 12:07 |
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| altereg0` | just a heads up on the front page of yelp: I don't currently have my launchpad details on this install of edgy - but the front page of the help docs has the packaging guide heading in French on an english-au install: viz: "Empaquetage de nouvelles applications pour Ubuntu" | 05:25 |
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| LaserJock | hi mdke | 07:11 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: hi | 08:10 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: which spec is that? the build system one? | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | mdke: do you want to arrange a post-edgy meeting? | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yes, the one you emailed about | 08:49 |
| mdke | Burgwork: sounds like a good idea, except the me arranging it part | 08:49 |
| Burgwork | mdke: why so? | 08:49 |
| mdke | well, pure laziness reasons. Sure I'll arrange it | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: online or face-to-face? | 08:50 |
| mdke | I need to spend much of my Ubuntu time on the website though for a bit | 08:50 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: online | 08:50 |
| Burgwork | did you and matthew connect on a website plan? | 08:50 |
| mdke | not yet. | 08:53 |
| mdke | we've exchanged a few ideas | 08:53 |
| mdke | I'd really like to merge the wiki and the official docs | 08:53 |
| Burgwork | yes, that would be cool | 08:57 |
| Burgwork | has that wiki<-->docbook thing been fully baked? | 08:57 |
| mdke | I don't know. mvirkkil!! | 08:59 |
| mdke | also, I think the "translation on help.u.c" thing hasn't worked well. | 08:59 |
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| nixternal | talk about a lazy day | 10:23 |
| stelis | How so? | 10:26 |
| stelis | I got up early this morning, and am slightly jealous :) | 10:27 |
| stelis | I've only just been been to get back to Edubuntu documentation, though | 10:28 |
| stelis | Hacking on the Help and Support bit | 10:29 |
| mdke | nice to hear some work on edubuntu docs | 10:30 |
| stelis | I've only really just started | 10:31 |
| stelis | But nixternal and co have got most of the Handbook done already | 10:32 |
| stelis | Hopefully when it goes out it will raise awareness a bit | 10:33 |
| mdke | great | 10:33 |
| nixternal | my eyes are crossed..i have 10 presentations ( a couple duplicates thank god) to get complete for this week | 10:35 |
| stelis | The frantic life of a University student :) ? | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: you're just getting too old for all this ;-) | 10:36 |
| nixternal | ya | 10:36 |
| nixternal | i think i am..i have been worn down the past couple of days pretty bad | 10:36 |
| nixternal | heh | 10:36 |
| nixternal | warn down rather | 10:36 |
| crimsun | now juggle cousins/kids, grants proposals, committee hassles, and ALSA work! | 10:37 |
| nixternal | no thank you..i had the nieces and nephews yesterday..that was enough | 10:38 |
| mdke | you can have help.ubuntu.com too | 10:38 |
| nixternal | give it to me ;) | 10:38 |
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| nixternal | haha | 10:39 |
| stelis | That reminds me... I saw lot of pages marked CategoryCleanup | 10:39 |
| nixternal | shhhhh | 10:40 |
| stelis | I was going to update some | 10:40 |
| Burgwork | stelis: then get to work ;) | 10:40 |
| stelis | But wasn't sure what the criteria was for making a page current if you see what I mean | 10:40 |
| nixternal | ya, after edgy is out, im sure we will get back to cleaning up the wiki again | 10:41 |
| Burgwork | the criteria is that they show instructions for all supported distros | 10:41 |
| Burgwork | they also need to follow general style guidelines | 10:41 |
| mdke | haven't we got some instructions hanging around? | 10:41 |
| Burgwork | yep | 10:41 |
| Burgwork | devil if I remember now | 10:42 |
| mdke | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide | 10:42 |
| mdke | stelis: look at that, especially "Style" | 10:42 |
| mdke | obviously in terms of content, the page should be really good too | 10:42 |
| stelis | What I wasn't sure of is who makes the call as to when the page is good enough | 10:42 |
| Burgwork | you do | 10:42 |
| stelis | To be taken off the hitlist | 10:43 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:43 |
| nixternal | after you edit, just remove the CategoryCleanup from the bottom | 10:43 |
| stelis | That saves formfilling :) | 10:43 |
| stelis | Sure - I've worked on Wikis before | 10:44 |
| nixternal | yes, because I used to email the list all the time with my edits, and burg and mdke responded with "please stop!" | 10:44 |
| stelis | But each community has it's own rules | 10:44 |
| nixternal | yes | 10:44 |
| nixternal | the Ubuntu Documentation projects number one rule is | 10:44 |
| nixternal | you don't talk about ubuntu documentation | 10:44 |
| nixternal | you knew that was coming i bet..no more tv for me | 10:44 |
| stelis | Cliches are cliches because they're good | 10:45 |
| stelis | I loved that film | 10:45 |
| stelis | I've been making notes on setting up Vmware, and noticed that the Wiki pages for it need cleanup | 10:47 |
| stelis | Is there a restriction/guideline on third-party apps? | 10:48 |
| nixternal | stelis: heh, you can remove my "VMware" page that i started, as that was my task a few months back, but of course that got side tracked with other work | 10:48 |
| mdke | stelis: that would ROCK - there are a million different VMware pages that need integrating | 10:49 |
| stelis | mdke: That's what I noticed | 10:49 |
| stelis | It needs some tough love to sort out :) | 10:50 |
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| mdke | stelis: yeah | 10:56 |
| stelis | Which is why I felt I ought to check on the protocol, and not just rewrite a bunch of other people's work and maybe even start sticking in redirects | 10:57 |
| mdke | the redirect policy is in WikiGuide there somewhere too, I hope | 10:58 |
| nixternal | #refresh 0 http://external.link | 10:58 |
| nixternal | or | 10:58 |
| nixternal | #redirect WikiPage/SubPage | 10:59 |
| mdke | not so much how to do it, but when to do it | 10:59 |
| nixternal | ahh, yes of course | 10:59 |
| stelis | There's a short on how but I can't see much about the "when" | 11:00 |
| stelis | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming | 11:00 |
| stelis | But I'm speed-reading | 11:00 |
| mdke | yeah, you're right | 11:01 |
| stelis | I think that all that there is on redirects | 11:01 |
| mdke | we should add some stuff | 11:04 |
| stelis | I probably won't get round to working on this for a week or two, so I'll just ask here if/when redirects become an issue | 11:05 |
| mdke | hmm. The official docs on help.u.c break 500MB. That's gonna take a while to upload | 11:06 |
| stelis | Ouch | 11:06 |
| nixternal | nah, that is about a 2 hour upload i think for me | 11:11 |
| mdke | heh | 11:13 |
| mdke | I am on 128kbit upload. We'll see what bzip can do | 11:13 |
| stelis | It's my day for silly questions... | 11:26 |
| stelis | Is there a DocBook entity for "Debian" | 11:26 |
| stelis | I can't see one in the global.ent | 11:26 |
| stelis | Or generic.ent | 11:27 |
| mdke | stelis: no. Just write Debian | 11:41 |
| mdke | we have far too many silly entities | 11:41 |
| stelis | Thanks. | 11:41 |
| nixternal | mdke: what should be an entity, and what shouldn't? | 11:43 |
| nixternal | version numbers? | 11:43 |
| nixternal | however, numbers are translatable strings in some languages | 11:43 |
| stelis | There's entities for the Ubuntu distros, so I wondered if there was one for Debian too | 11:44 |
| stelis | I've seen DocBook where different entity sets go with different translations | 11:46 |
| nixternal | ya, kde does it like that | 11:47 |
| stelis | It's a knotty problem... | 11:47 |
| mdke | nixternal: something that will save you time when typing | 11:49 |
| nixternal | url's are about the only thing that would save time, as doing 6.10 is quicker than doing &distro-rev; | 11:49 |
| mdke | things like menu entries, separate files, etc | 11:51 |
| mdke | but yeah, also things that are easier to change in one file than doing find/replace over loads | 11:51 |
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| nixternal | g'nite | 12:06 |
| stelis | night | 12:08 |
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