=== theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@69-87-139-8.async.iserv.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-18-206.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:22] is there a plan to make the list of the changes between Dapper and Edgy? === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@69-87-139-8.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@69-87-139-8.async.iserv.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-129-18.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.42.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A54FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-22-13.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:08] morning all [09:10] hey mdke_ [09:11] hi mdke_ [09:13] 'ello === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:28] hi there jono [09:28] jono: ! [09:29] good morning [09:29] hey :) [09:29] UK people means it is time for me to sleep [09:29] hows things doc heroes? [09:29] talk to you all another time [09:29] jono: your boss keeps changing the artwork, nearly fucking the artwork for teh book [09:29] not bad. === Burgundavia is unhappy at that [09:29] is there any news on open sourcing the book? [09:29] jono: ^ [09:30] mdke_, keep mails debs, but nothing yet [09:30] which is frustrating [09:30] hmm. [09:30] mdke_, will ping her again and CC youy [09:30] that would be good. [09:30] Burgundavia, yeah, would be nice if art freeze meant what it said :P [09:30] mdke_, will do that now :) [09:30] we should make book-incorporation one of the main aims for next release [09:30] jono: Ubuntu (as a project) has never made an art freeze date [09:31] Burgundavia, it has? [09:31] I quite liked the art we had before reverting back to Dapper, tbh. Dunno what all the fuss is about [09:31] Burgundavia, there was an art freeze for dapper [09:31] jono: he means "never successfully complied with" [09:31] Is all of the old and rejected artwork available somewhere? [09:32] oh right :) [09:32] I getcha [09:32] tonyyarusso: I think so - you can ask on the art mailing list [09:32] 'k [09:33] mdke_, ok mailed, there may be a delay as she has been away due to a family thing [09:33] jono: thanks. Do you know what the delay has been caused by up to now? [09:33] mdke_, no idea, I am sure its some internal Prentice Hall red tape [09:34] debra is pretty punctual, so I doubt its a slackness [09:34] jono: artwork has also been the only feature to have ignored their freezes [09:34] I understood that Canonical had the copyright [09:34] so did I [09:34] yep [09:34] and the book is technically already under the CC, by the license in the back of the book [09:34] we just want a electronic copy [09:34] but PH are the publisher, so there are issues with clearance [09:35] Burgundavia, I know, but its still a tricky process for a publisher [09:35] yes [09:35] anyway, I truly need to sleep [09:35] Burgundavia: having an open source license without the source is not particularly helpful though [09:35] yes, they should have had it online before, but hey, people get busy and rules get made === pepsiman [n=malcolm@82-33-127-97.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:18] mdke_: excellent spec :-) === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === ray_52 [n=ray_52@ppp4D57.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:07] g'day all === ray_52 [n=ray_52@ppp4D57.dsl.pacific.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-43-31.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apv [n=apv@bb-87-82-8-119.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === altereg0` [n=alterego@d58-106-59-37.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:25] just a heads up on the front page of yelp: I don't currently have my launchpad details on this install of edgy - but the front page of the help docs has the packaging guide heading in French on an english-au install: viz: "Empaquetage de nouvelles applications pour Ubuntu" === altereg0` [n=alterego@d58-106-59-37.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACBC0B50.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] hi mdke === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCE445A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:10] LaserJock: hi === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:47] LaserJock: which spec is that? the build system one? [08:48] mdke: do you want to arrange a post-edgy meeting? [08:49] mdke: yes, the one you emailed about [08:49] Burgwork: sounds like a good idea, except the me arranging it part [08:49] mdke: why so? [08:50] well, pure laziness reasons. Sure I'll arrange it [08:50] Burgwork: online or face-to-face? [08:50] I need to spend much of my Ubuntu time on the website though for a bit [08:50] LaserJock: online [08:50] did you and matthew connect on a website plan? [08:53] not yet. [08:53] we've exchanged a few ideas [08:53] I'd really like to merge the wiki and the official docs [08:57] yes, that would be cool [08:57] has that wiki<-->docbook thing been fully baked? [08:59] I don't know. mvirkkil!! [08:59] also, I think the "translation on help.u.c" thing hasn't worked well. === pygi [n=mario@83-131-78-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@85-210-193-14.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ is now known as mdke [10:23] talk about a lazy day [10:26] How so? [10:27] I got up early this morning, and am slightly jealous :) [10:28] I've only just been been to get back to Edubuntu documentation, though [10:29] Hacking on the Help and Support bit [10:30] nice to hear some work on edubuntu docs [10:31] I've only really just started [10:32] But nixternal and co have got most of the Handbook done already [10:33] Hopefully when it goes out it will raise awareness a bit [10:33] great [10:35] my eyes are crossed..i have 10 presentations ( a couple duplicates thank god) to get complete for this week [10:36] The frantic life of a University student :) ? [10:36] nixternal: you're just getting too old for all this ;-) [10:36] ya [10:36] i think i am..i have been worn down the past couple of days pretty bad [10:36] heh [10:36] warn down rather [10:37] now juggle cousins/kids, grants proposals, committee hassles, and ALSA work! [10:38] no thank you..i had the nieces and nephews yesterday..that was enough [10:38] you can have help.ubuntu.com too [10:38] give it to me ;) === mdke takes it back [10:39] haha [10:39] That reminds me... I saw lot of pages marked CategoryCleanup [10:40] shhhhh [10:40] I was going to update some [10:40] stelis: then get to work ;) [10:40] But wasn't sure what the criteria was for making a page current if you see what I mean [10:41] ya, after edgy is out, im sure we will get back to cleaning up the wiki again [10:41] the criteria is that they show instructions for all supported distros [10:41] they also need to follow general style guidelines [10:41] haven't we got some instructions hanging around? [10:41] yep [10:42] devil if I remember now [10:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide [10:42] stelis: look at that, especially "Style" [10:42] obviously in terms of content, the page should be really good too [10:42] What I wasn't sure of is who makes the call as to when the page is good enough [10:42] you do [10:43] To be taken off the hitlist [10:43] lol [10:43] after you edit, just remove the CategoryCleanup from the bottom [10:43] That saves formfilling :) [10:44] Sure - I've worked on Wikis before [10:44] yes, because I used to email the list all the time with my edits, and burg and mdke responded with "please stop!" [10:44] But each community has it's own rules [10:44] yes [10:44] the Ubuntu Documentation projects number one rule is [10:44] you don't talk about ubuntu documentation [10:44] you knew that was coming i bet..no more tv for me [10:45] Cliches are cliches because they're good [10:45] I loved that film [10:47] I've been making notes on setting up Vmware, and noticed that the Wiki pages for it need cleanup [10:48] Is there a restriction/guideline on third-party apps? [10:48] stelis: heh, you can remove my "VMware" page that i started, as that was my task a few months back, but of course that got side tracked with other work [10:49] stelis: that would ROCK - there are a million different VMware pages that need integrating [10:49] mdke: That's what I noticed [10:50] It needs some tough love to sort out :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:56] stelis: yeah [10:57] Which is why I felt I ought to check on the protocol, and not just rewrite a bunch of other people's work and maybe even start sticking in redirects [10:58] the redirect policy is in WikiGuide there somewhere too, I hope [10:58] #refresh 0 http://external.link [10:58] or [10:59] #redirect WikiPage/SubPage [10:59] not so much how to do it, but when to do it [10:59] ahh, yes of course [11:00] There's a short on how but I can't see much about the "when" [11:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming [11:00] But I'm speed-reading [11:01] yeah, you're right [11:01] I think that all that there is on redirects [11:04] we should add some stuff [11:05] I probably won't get round to working on this for a week or two, so I'll just ask here if/when redirects become an issue [11:06] hmm. The official docs on help.u.c break 500MB. That's gonna take a while to upload [11:06] Ouch [11:11] nah, that is about a 2 hour upload i think for me [11:13] heh [11:13] I am on 128kbit upload. We'll see what bzip can do [11:26] It's my day for silly questions... [11:26] Is there a DocBook entity for "Debian" [11:26] I can't see one in the global.ent [11:27] Or generic.ent [11:41] stelis: no. Just write Debian [11:41] we have far too many silly entities [11:41] Thanks. [11:43] mdke: what should be an entity, and what shouldn't? [11:43] version numbers? [11:43] however, numbers are translatable strings in some languages [11:44] There's entities for the Ubuntu distros, so I wondered if there was one for Debian too [11:46] I've seen DocBook where different entity sets go with different translations [11:47] ya, kde does it like that [11:47] It's a knotty problem... [11:49] nixternal: something that will save you time when typing [11:49] url's are about the only thing that would save time, as doing 6.10 is quicker than doing &distro-rev; [11:51] things like menu entries, separate files, etc [11:51] but yeah, also things that are easier to change in one file than doing find/replace over loads === mdke -> bed [12:06] g'nite [12:08] night