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| astinus | j #gentoo-security,#gentoo-infra | 12:35 |
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| astinus | Erk | 12:35 |
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| jikanter | after creating my gpg key, I got similar output as the tutorial online at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto, but I am still a bit confused about the output and which information I need to save. Is my private key stored somewhere where I can retrieve it? | 12:40 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | hi Hobbsee :-) | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | morning Hobbsee | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | LP notifies on build failures now, does it? | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | you're up early ;) | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: as is evident by emails you may receive | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | I'm wondering why I got emails about builds that failed... about 2 months ago? Or has is decided to try to rebuild them? | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i'm at uni on time :P | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | mass give-back | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: worrying | 12:54 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: indeed. | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Aha, thanks. | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: how's gcl/maxima | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, dholbach says he'll look at the Dapper fix once Edgy is released. | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | In general though, I don't know. | 12:55 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: grrr | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | So we're stuck with `It doesn't work! Fix it now! This isn't good enough for a LTS release!' from all our loyal users. | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well this is a bit silly | 12:57 |
| Fujitsu | It is a fairly nasty breakage in what could be a very important package to a lot of people, so it's understandable they're rather irritated. | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | I don't see why we need to wait 2-3 weeks for this | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | but whatever :-) | 12:58 |
| crimsun | well, sound will be broken for a huge number of people when Edgy releases. I'm not happy either, but if the release manager says it goes, then it goes. | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, what's wrong with it? | 01:00 |
| crimsun | half the HDA codecs are missing vital patches that weren't available til October | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | that's unfortunate | 01:00 |
| Fujitsu | Fun. | 01:00 |
| Fujitsu | I saw a patch by you a while ago which fixes my microphone, I believe. | 01:00 |
| Fujitsu | (STAC92xx) | 01:01 |
| crimsun | I'm having lots of fun supporting two releases simultaneously, and when Edgy+1 opens, three! | 01:01 |
| Fujitsu | Isn't sound, you know... Fairly important? | 01:01 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, fun fun fun. | 01:01 |
| crimsun | well, to many people, yes, quite critical. In the grand scheme of whether the machine boots, however, it's rather tertiary. | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | well, I would hope at this stage in the game we are past the "Does it boot or not?" question, but yeah | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm amazed at how fragile Ubuntu is at times | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: not necessarily | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | just spend 5 minutes in the forums & you'll see | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, nooooo. | 01:04 |
| crimsun | many of the problems are with newer hardware, and that's always an issue. | 01:04 |
| crimsun | chucking new kernels into the repo right up until release just to support newer hardware is madness | 01:04 |
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| ajmitch | I agree | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: isn't the sound problem mainly newer hardware? | 01:05 |
| crimsun | yep, HDA nearly exclusively | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | at least I haven't spotted issues with the hda codec with my laptop | 01:05 |
| crimsun | mostly Realtek and Sigmatel HDA codecs | 01:05 |
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| ajmitch | some realtek, I can't recall which now | 01:07 |
| Fujitsu | My Inspiron 630m (almost a year old now) still has no working microphone, so it's not just /new/ hardware. | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | Codec: Realtek ALC260 | 01:08 |
| astinus | Fujitsu: Aye, but I'd argue that in the grand scheme of things it goes; Does the system boot? --> Can it be used day-to-day (Xorg, etc)? --> Does little things work (sound)? --> Does even littler things work (microphones)? | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | aha | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | works nicely thanks to crimsun :) | 01:08 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: it's new in terms of support. | 01:08 |
| crimsun | $ grep -nH 630 * | 01:08 |
| crimsun | patch_sigmatel.c:595: .config = STAC_REF }, /* Dell Inspiron 630m */ | 01:08 |
| Fujitsu | astinus, true. | 01:08 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, :O | 01:08 |
| astinus | Fujitsu: Very little consolation, I agree, but there's only so many hours in the day :P | 01:08 |
| Fujitsu | astinus, but I saw the patch to fix the microphone on the kernel-team mailing list a couple of weeks back... So close. | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | kernel has to freeze earlier for good reasons | 01:10 |
| Fujitsu | At least, I presume it was the right patch. Almost identical hardware, same symptoms. | 01:10 |
| astinus | Fujitsu: Awesome :) I'm very thankful, my laptop with Intel HDA seems to 'just work' and its brand new... I've got a Samsung Q35 with a Core Duo 1.83GHz... | 01:10 |
| astinus | (Interestingly enough I always hit issues with new laptop + Gentoo, but no issues with same laptop + Ubuntu *grin* Lord knows why that might be....) | 01:11 |
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| CarlFK | where can I post problems I have when I build spe.deb using the script at the bottom of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb | 01:57 |
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| theCore | that's funny... | 02:35 |
| theCore | I'm getting support request by email from people I don | 02:36 |
| lophyte | !seen superm1 | 02:36 |
| theCore | don't know* | 02:36 |
| ubotu | I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 2d 2h 18m 26s ago, quiting: "Quitting, send all complaints > /dev/null" | 02:36 |
| zul | theCore: that happens all the time | 02:39 |
| theCore | zul, how should I handle them? | 02:40 |
| zul | theCore: what i do is if they are bug reports ask them to open up in launchpad, if they are support answer them back :) | 02:41 |
| theCore | I wonder how they got my email... | 02:43 |
| theCore | oh, I get it they found my Jabber account, which uses the same address | 02:45 |
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| theCore | I wonder if they send their email to many peoples. A bit like spammers, but instead of your money, they want support | 02:47 |
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| rmjb | hi, I have a question | 04:32 |
| Fujitsu | Hi rmjb. | 04:32 |
| rmjb | why do I get an error if I apt-get source a package then sudo pbuilder build it | 04:32 |
| rmjb | shouldn't source packages from the repos build without a problem? | 04:33 |
| rmjb | hi Fujitsu | 04:33 |
| Fujitsu | rmjb, not always. Some of them break when we get newer versions of other packages, for example. | 04:33 |
| Fujitsu | Which package in particular? | 04:33 |
| rmjb | dmraid | 04:33 |
| Fujitsu | That hasn't been built on Edgy before, so it is quite possible for it to be broken. | 04:34 |
| rmjb | I'm actually trying to fix/upgrade it as my first package | 04:34 |
| rmjb | but it's is giving me some problems | 04:35 |
| rmjb | this is one for example: | 04:35 |
| rmjb | dh_installdocs 1.0.0.rc13/{CREDITS,KNOWN_BUGS,README,TODO} | 04:35 |
| rmjb | cp: cannot stat `1.0.0.rc13/{CREDITS,KNOWN_BUGS,README,TODO}': No such file or directory | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | OK, I'm building it here at the moment to see what its issues are... | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | Aha! | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | A bashism. | 04:35 |
| rmjb | dh_installdocs was upgraded since dapper? | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | In Edgy, we've changed over to using dash, rather than bash, as the default shell. | 04:35 |
| rmjb | oh... so that's why | 04:36 |
| rmjb | need to do this the long way then | 04:36 |
| Fujitsu | The {whatever,whatever2} etc. stuff is specifically for bash, doesn't work in dash. | 04:36 |
| rmjb | thanks Fujitsu! | 04:36 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, you'll have to do it manually. | 04:36 |
| rmjb | been trying to figure why it doesn't work since yesterday | 04:36 |
| Fujitsu | No problem. | 04:36 |
| rmjb | btw, how'd you know it wasn't built on edgy yet? | 04:37 |
| Fujitsu | /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-import.pl | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | Stupid thing didn't copy... | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | If you look there, you'll see that the version in Edgy is the same as in Dapper, so the binaries were migrated over. | 04:38 |
| rmjb | okay I see | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | Indeed, once that bashism is fixed, the package builds. | 04:40 |
| rmjb | yeah, I got another error when I did an upgrade though | 04:41 |
| rmjb | Installing dmraid.8 in /usr/share/man/man8 | 04:41 |
| rmjb | /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/man/man8/dmraid.8' | 04:41 |
| rmjb | I don't know how that passes in the current version because I copied the same rules file over | 04:41 |
| Fujitsu | Copy the entire debian/ over, there's other stuff there that is important.... | 04:42 |
| Fujitsu | Specifically, the dirs file. | 04:42 |
| rmjb | yeah that's what I did | 04:42 |
| Fujitsu | Hrm, there isn't one in this case. | 04:42 |
| Fujitsu | Is that when building the package? | 04:43 |
| rmjb | yes, the new upstream version, with the contents of the current version's debian directory | 04:44 |
| Fujitsu | (currently building the new version to see what I can get out of it) | 04:49 |
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| rmjb | one thing that's needed in the upgrade is changing the starting position of dmraid in rcS from S03 to S11 | 04:56 |
| rmjb | I've done that in the rule, but update-rc.d does not reposition the script if it's there already | 04:57 |
| rmjb | is there a standard procedure to do this? | 04:57 |
| rmjb | s/rule/rules | 04:57 |
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| Fujitsu | Afternoon, LaserJock. | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | hi Fujitsu | 05:10 |
| rmjb | hey LaserJock | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | hi rmjb, sorry I haven't replied yet | 05:10 |
| imbrandon | hello all | 05:10 |
| rmjb | np LaserJock | 05:11 |
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon. | 05:11 |
| rmjb | hey imbrandon | 05:11 |
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| Fujitsu | (I've been using KDE for almost 24 hours now, and I think I've eliminated the `ARGH! It's burning my eyes out!' sensation) | 05:11 |
| rmjb | kubuntu konvert? | 05:12 |
| Fujitsu | Not really, just having a look at the `other side'. | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, hehe | 05:12 |
| Fujitsu | It is a bit blindingly bright to start with. | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, thats how it all starts ;) | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | rmjb: with respect to your question, if there is a binary package in the archive it just means it built at some time | 05:12 |
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| LaserJock | rmjb: sometimes dependencies have changes since the package was last built | 05:13 |
| rmjb | cool, Fujitsu ironed it out, he said the build error I was seeing was a bashism, since edgy symlinks /bin/sh to dash instead | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | ah yeah | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | fun | 05:21 |
| rmjb | any tips on moving the position on a start script? I have to move dmraid to after udev (which is at S03) | 05:22 |
| rmjb | can I call update-rc.d within the rules? | 05:22 |
| rmjb | directly I mean, instead of through dh_installinit | 05:22 |
| rmjb | s/on/of | 05:22 |
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| imbrandon | or convert it to an upstart job ;) | 05:25 |
| rmjb | I'm game for that, did Scott do a howto or guide on that? | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | no idea, i havent tried it yet, but upstart.ubuntu.com would be a good place to start | 05:27 |
| rmjb | cool, thanks imbrandon | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | i dont even know if its at a stage thats viable yet, but its a thought | 05:27 |
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| LaserJock | ohhh, nifty Debconf6 DVDs | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | I must really be a geek when they only thing I burn to DVD is Debconf videos | 05:48 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 05:50 |
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| ajmitch | o dar | 05:53 |
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| ajmitch | obbs as stoln my kys | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | lol | 05:53 |
| rmjb | going to test my new (and first) dmraid package | 05:53 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: what's with the mass reversions on the BerylOnEdgy page? | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | oh wow i dident know you could get debconf video downloads | 05:53 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: *hides* | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: :D | 05:54 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: Some stupidity with a guy from the forums. | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: a little disagreement? :) | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | theres a wiki for it? seems simple, enable composite in xorg.conf , start beryl | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | done ;) | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: plus install the various crackful packages | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, hehe i just made my own with tonio | 05:55 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: It guides you through installing drivers, turning things on in xorg.conf, adding beryl repos, installing it, and adding it to startup scripts. | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: beryl packages? | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | they probably follow policy far far better than the current ones do then | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: He wanted to have it include instructions for manually installing nvidia drivers from the original .run file, I said that was wrong because it breaks too easily. | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | The current ones are a mess. | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | install 2 packages , enable composite in xorg.conf and start beryl , seems simple, no need for other steps | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | I've been meaning to sit down and make them not suck. | 05:56 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: yes, DBO wanted me to look over them, then gave up on me when I couldn't do it quickly enough | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: There are some tweaks and such. | 05:57 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: Just check it out: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BerylOnEdgy | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, want the source for the packages me and tonio did/use ? | 05:57 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: I don't have time to care about it at the moment | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure that sabdfl will have someone on it asap :P | 05:58 |
| rmjb | IT WORKED! yay! | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe I can get AIGLX working on this laptop | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea thats the main reason we did it was for edgy+1 ( had no idea about the crack on the forums ) | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, do you have X working in edgy ? | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | for some reason all the computers I work on have ATI graphics :( | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I worry about the push for it to be the default WM | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: sure, but my problem as been ATI | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, that would suck as its slow as piss, i have it installed but only start it to "show off" | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, if you have X in edgy working you have aiglx working | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | its built in | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | well, but the ability to *use* it I mean | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: if I'm brave enough to install the beta nvidia drivers I *may* consider trying it | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, sure, just make sure you have 3d rendering enabled and add ... | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | Section "Extensions" | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | Option "Composite" "Enable" | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | EndSection | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | to xorg.conf, all done | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: but does it work with fglrx drivers? | 06:01 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: No, you need XGL for that | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | It's super easy for Intel users though, like imbrandon said. | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | although apparently you also want Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" in Device | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | I dunno, I only wrote the nvidia section of that guide | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | I should try beryl on the laptop I guess :) | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | with aiglx it should be the same for all cards | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | I'd try it on my nvidia box but it's got dapper | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | since it has an i915 chip | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, with intell just do what i said | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I heard it doesn't work for fglrx drivers | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | its super easy | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Compiz runs OK, but it can be a little laggy at times with an i915. | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I've run it before, thanks | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | (haven't tried Beryl) | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, it does on my laptop with the "ati" drivers ( non binary ) | 06:03 |
| Fujitsu | fglrx in Edgy at the moment is stuffed, anyway. | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | heh | 06:03 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: right, but so far I haven't had any luck with the nonbinary drivers | 06:04 |
| Fujitsu | What's wrong with it, Amaranth? | 06:04 |
| Amaranth | I'm wireless only, no need to try to get a DHCP lease on every device with a massive timeout :P | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, why ? X wont start ? | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I have unsupported cards | 06:04 |
| Amaranth | I had like 1:48 boot time before I removed that, 0:35 boot time after. | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, just edit your /etc/networking/interfaces then and comment out the rest | 06:05 |
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| Amaranth | wow that's what changed from dapper to edgy | 06:05 |
| Amaranth | i was wondering about that | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | no its the same here on dapper and edgy | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | dunno what your thinking | 06:05 |
| Amaranth | In dapper I just had lo in there | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | back in a few min | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | And I don't remember modifying it, I would have remember the long boot times. | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | somthing was stuffed up then | 06:06 |
| Amaranth | It was good though, I use NetworkManager to handle my wireless. :) | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | well if network manager actualy worked i might think about using it | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | Oh well, I'm just happy to see a 0:35 boot time. :D | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | oh cool, I am using "ati" on this lappy | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:08 |
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| LaserJock | brb, gonna see if this works :-) | 06:17 |
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| imbrandon | Fujitsu, hehe | 06:20 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, interesting | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | haha, jiggly windows | 06:21 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh, yeah. | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | the cube is all right, doesn't seem as smooth as mine on OS X | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | but still pretty cool | 06:23 |
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| LaserJock | Alt-Tab is pretty nifty | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | I guess :) | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, got it working ?> | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 06:25 |
| Fujitsu | Brb, testing encryption magic. | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: yeah | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: how up-to-date are your beryl packages? | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, about 1 week old | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | or so | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | 0.1.1? | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | should be , let me check to make absolute sure | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | how do you get it to do the expose type thing | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, no 1.0 shouldent be a big deal to update them though | 06:27 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: It was originally F12, not sure what it is nowadays. | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | 0.1.0* | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: maybe if the packages are better you should change the BerylOnEdgy page to point to them ;) | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | making sure that you don't annoy Amaranth too much :) | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | yea i was thinking the same thing | 06:28 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: haha | 06:28 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: If you get some decent 0.1.1 packages in a repo somewhere I'd be more then happy to tell users to use them. | 06:29 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: You might want to join #beryl-dev and poke someone though. | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I'd be more willing to trust your packages, to be honest | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, yea i'll update them from 0.1 to 0.1.1 tonight | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | not meaning to insult those in the community who have gone to the effort of packaging | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | but last I looked, they were crap :) | 06:30 |
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| Amaranth | ajmitch: I think they were made my someone in the debian mentors program thing | 06:30 |
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| Amaranth | err, by | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: figures | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | heh, one sec i'ma grab a soda and lok at it now, doing nothing atm anyhow | 06:30 |
| crimsun | I love how someone posted a link to his own Flash 9 debs in a flashplugin-nonfree bug report | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | that's no guarantee of quality | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: it hurts | 06:31 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: I know, it's really great. | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, ouch | 06:31 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: No, that makes me even more worried about their quality. | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: I frequently get to deal with backported/new crack for mono | 06:31 |
| Fujitsu | Here are my debs. They're your problem now. | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: I tried to convince DBO to talk to the compiz maintainer for debian, but he didn't see the point | 06:31 |
| Amaranth | Uh oh, we're going to get flamed again. :P | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: why? :) | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | "Ubuntu doesn't share the bling!" | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | haha | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | "Hey man, quit bogarting the pipe", etc etc etc | 06:32 |
| Fujitsu | Erm, I take it beryl isn't working great :P | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | Fujitsu: It has some serious design issues as admitted by the developers but apparently their emerald theme manager can now pull themes from SVN in the latest version.... | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it is wonderful! do not question the Glorious Revolution! | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: is there an ITP filed for beryl in debian yet? | 06:34 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: I believe so. | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | right | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | then we won't bother pushing imbrandon's packages to debian then | 06:34 |
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| Amaranth | I say someone needs to bonk the beryl and compiz developers over the head a couple times and get them to just start over. | 06:35 |
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| ajmitch | Amaranth: oh, I see it - done by the guy who has the *wonderful* packaging in svn | 06:35 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: yeah, the guy in the mentors program | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | the mentors program really is a loose term | 06:36 |
| Amaranth | MyFirstPackage and all that | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | it's a mailing list & irc channel | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | i'm in the mentors program, that means nothing other than they signed up for a "sponsor" | 06:36 |
| Amaranth | I dunno, he keeps talking about Debian Mentors. :P | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | usually no structured mentoring at all | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: yes, I heard that he's all official & all, whatever that may mean | 06:36 |
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| rmjb | coincidentally, I asked LaserJock to mentor me yesterday for MOTU | 06:37 |
| Amaranth | svn co http://svn.beryl-project.org/trunk beryl | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | my copy has URL: svn://metascape.afraid.org/svnroot/beryl | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | and I can't just do svn switch --relocate | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | yeah, you wanna know something really....odd...about that setup? | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | go ahead & scare me | 06:38 |
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| imbrandon | here is what i have at the moment , i'm updating them now to 0.1.1 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27934/ | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | the metascape one is apparently the main SVN and the one on beryl-project.org is a mirror | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | the metascape one runs on Quinn_Storm's personal desktop | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: so why can't I do svn up now? :) | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | I see.. | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | so if it's a mirror, why do they have different UUIDs? | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | I have no idea. | 06:39 |
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| ajmitch | get them to use bzr | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | But they keep saying beryl-project.org's is a read-only mirror and that's not chaning. | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | Hehe. | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | then they can fork to their heart's content | 06:39 |
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| Amaranth | They're coming to Mountain View, persuade them. :) | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch / Amaranth are there any more packages on BerylOnEdgy than what i have http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27934/ | 06:40 |
| Lathiat | mm montain view, if only it wasnt on the other side of the world | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | yay, a paid trip for bling in feisty | 06:40 |
| Lathiat | LCA is expensive enough on the other side of the country :) | 06:40 |
| Lathiat | oh wow beryl-project.org has a website now | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: there's other crack | 06:41 |
| Lathiat | it used to be just forums | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: They have a 'beryl' metapackage and split beryl-plugins into beryl-plugins and beryl-plugins-data (something about a lintian warning about a large /usr/share) | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | and beryl-dbus, dunno what that is | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: there's also updated nvidia beta drivers from Amaranth (probably dodgy as hell :) ) | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | and some libxorg-sched-yield-hack0 thing that worries me | 06:42 |
| Amaranth | I've recently been told that does more harm then good. | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | that doesn't surprise me, given what it does | 06:42 |
| Amaranth | It's only for nvidia while using AIGLX (which no sane person would do if they care about performance) | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | nvidia+aiglx is stupid | 06:43 |
| Lathiat | beryl seems to be *really* unstable | 06:43 |
| Lathiat | compiz seemed to just break but it never crashed | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: but it's great! beryl-by-default for feisty! | 06:43 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: It's not needed, nvidia provides the needed extension without aiglx | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: I know | 06:43 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: but too many users don't | 06:43 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: woo yeh! | 06:43 |
| whiprush | do you need to shut off the aiglx specifically if you're using the nvidia beta drivers? or does it just skip all that? | 06:43 |
| Amaranth | I've been meaning to remove that from the guide | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | hey whiprush! | 06:43 |
| whiprush | hi ajmitch! | 06:43 |
| Amaranth | whiprush: Nope, it's off by default. | 06:43 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: found a hotel | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: I thought it was turned on by default for awhile, at least | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: sweeet | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | where is it? | 06:44 |
| imbrandon | heya whiprush | 06:44 |
| whiprush | about 5 minutes from the googleplex | 06:44 |
| whiprush | right off the interstate | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: I'm on the same flight as mpt & infinity, as you may have seen | 06:44 |
| whiprush | I will send you the info when I confirm | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | great :) | 06:44 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: excellent. | 06:44 |
| whiprush | on the 4th? | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | so at least I'll have someone to talk to in the airport | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | we're all flying to auckland from different places before going on NZ8 to SFO | 06:45 |
| whiprush | nice | 06:45 |
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| Amaranth | Oh, another really scary thing. People in #beryl-dev keep asking me for advice because they say I have "project management experience". ;) | 06:46 |
| === imbrandon doubt anyone will be on the same flight as him | ||
| imbrandon | Amaranth, hahaha | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: lucky you | 06:47 |
| === Amaranth has only run one project | ||
| Amaranth | And I'm the only developer of that project. | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | I've only run one project, and noone uses that code yet! | 06:48 |
| Amaranth | What is that? | 06:49 |
| rmjb | how long after I dput something will it show up on REVU? | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | ~5 min | 06:49 |
| rmjb | cool | 06:49 |
| rmjb | It got rejected... I'm supposed to ask you guys to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? | 06:51 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: if you're in the group on launchpad | 06:52 |
| rmjb | yep | 06:52 |
| rmjb | I added myself earlier today... or yesterday in my case | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | syncing | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | ok, back to the land of reality | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | that AIGLX+beryl stuff reminded me of Alice in Wonderland | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | hah | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:55 |
| Amaranth | Heh | 06:55 |
| Amaranth | Once you set some same values for things it's pretty nice. | 06:56 |
| Amaranth | The default are utter crack though. | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | the defaults are for maximum bling effect | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | I'd rather have as little wobble as possible | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | & I don't really need cube spinning, raindrops on my desk, etc | 06:57 |
| rmjb | so after I upload something to REVU and you guys critique it and I fix and so on, is there any formal testing? | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | just by the MOTU | 06:58 |
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| LaserJock | if we find it satisfactory to go into Universe we vote for it | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | oh wow this is really crackfull | 06:59 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: hm? | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | do tell | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | the svn checkouts arent matching up | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: no kidding | 06:59 |
| rmjb | okay cool... | 06:59 |
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| ajmitch | as I said, different UUIDs, they're not even the same repository | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | yea | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | it's like someone has done a complete separate import | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | probably, they probably dident know better | 07:00 |
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| rmjb | ajmitch: good for the upload to REVU? | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: go ahead | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | make sure you upload to revu, not ubuntu | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: see ^^ several lines ;) | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | looks up | 07:01 |
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| imbrandon | hahahahaa | 07:02 |
| rmjb | thanks, it did go to ubuntu the last time | 07:03 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: how should I nicely reject bug 67666 ? | 07:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67666 in firefox "Tried to download a video from Google Video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67666 | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure you must have a stock reply somewhere :) | 07:06 |
| crimsun | (doesn't actually crash here, however) | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | no, but it's a flash 9 issue | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | of course | 07:07 |
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| imbrandon | hehe yea plays here too | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | weird al | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: gotta love this thread title on the forums: "mathematica problem with XGL" | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | probably more to do with the beta ff , or they have 1000 extentions loaded | 07:08 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: a nice note regarding "Flash 9 being beta and completely unsupported in Ubuntu" is nice | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: yes, I noticed that... It's great! | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | I just don't live on the edge enough | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | ... fluent in java script as well as klingon .... hahahahaha | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | I don't have beta nvidia drivers, beryl, or flash 9 | 07:09 |
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon: You hadn't seen that before? | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | no, this is hilarious | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: That's what Weird Al Yankovic is good for! Hilarity! And White & Nerdy is particularly good. | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well, I've only got flash 9 because of that recipe site my wife *has* to go to :-) | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | and you tried beryl, welcome to the darkside LaserJock | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | noooooo | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: next you'll be installing imbrandon's luna themes | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | *Darth Vader voice* Luke .... I am your composite manager | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, .... TheMuso .... i am ..... | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | bad pun /me stops | 07:13 |
| TheMuso | ? | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | s/Luke/TheMuso, as i said bad joke | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | shesh | 07:13 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | You missed a trailing slash there, imbrandon! | 07:14 |
| Fujitsu | GUILTY! | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | omg your as bad as elkbuntu , she said the same thing yesterday, my answer is irc sed needs no closing slash | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:14 |
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| elkbuntu | that was longer ago than yesterday | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | i made the RFC yesterday for irc sed | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | err yea a few days ago heh | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: is it on the standards track? | 07:15 |
| Fujitsu | Guilty, I say. | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yeah, I tried KDE yesterday, beryl today, I have no idea what I'll do tomorrow ;-) | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: or is it just a draft at this stage? | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea, RFC is in the mail | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: always lurking around in the shadows... | 07:15 |
| === Fujitsu grumbles. | ||
| rmjb | LaserJock: Vista tomorrow! | 07:16 |
| === ajmitch should boot up vista | ||
| LaserJock | rmjb: oh please no, don't give me nightmares | 07:16 |
| Fujitsu | This LUKS cryptsetup stuff is annoying to set up on an existing installation.. Gotta move all the data elsewhere :'( | 07:16 |
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, hush. you'll freak out the UDS attendees : | 07:16 |
| ajmitch | elkbuntu: like me? | 07:16 |
| === Fujitsu dreams of the day when it'll be supported in the installation process. | ||
| elkbuntu | ajmitch, well you cant freak yourself out. you already know. | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: for the desktop cd, not likely | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | i booted vista once .... http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/vista.jpg , long enough to take that shot, then formated | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it's already supported in debian | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | in d-i yea, not the live though i doubt, would be really hard | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: oh man, I only got a 1.0 on the Windows Experience Index in vmware | 07:17 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Well, it's not in the Ubuntu alternate installer at the moment... | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: depends if kamion decides to de-simplify the alternate installer for it | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, thats a 3400+ with a high end nvidia card and still only got a 2.0 | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, not too hard to do in Ubiquity, if they implement LVM and co. (which is meant to be happening in Feisty) | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you need more RAM, perhaps :) | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | probably it only has 768 shared with video | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: adding all the UI for setting it up makes it more complex | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I gave the vista install 1.5GB in vmware | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | Ask for genuine Microsoft software! | 07:19 |
| rmjb | cool, my upload made it to REVU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3346 | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: hmm, I expected more :/ | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, from ? | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | vista | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | I hadn't seen a screenshot before | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | ahh hehe i dident, honestly it reminds me ALOT of kde now | 07:19 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: there's nothing special | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | only kde was first | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I've got a screenshot as well if you want it | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | I'll have to trim it down | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I expected them to change the look | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | it's a fullscreen screenshot | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | the menu just looks like XP+bling | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | it actualy works really diffrent, nested menus | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | kinda a pita really | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: sorry, the screenshot I've got only has the login screen | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | np | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | like the spinx menu | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | fullscreen == 2880x1200 here | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | so it's a large png :) | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | well, I'll probably not be getting Vista | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | i'll be picking up osx 10.5 but not vista | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | next computer I'll buy will have OS X or Ubuntu on it :-) | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | Guys, you can't deny that Vista is worth the $600! It's got a new version of Solitaire! | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: hmm, tempting | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | And Inkball! | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | and chess titans | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | and it has better licensing! | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | if Ubuntu doesn't come up with an equally cool Solitaire I might be forced to move back | 07:23 |
| rmjb | hey LaserJock, if you get a chance, can you critique my upload to REVU? | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | rmjb: I don't quite get the versioning | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | I think maybe it needs to be 1.0.0.rc13-0ubuntu1 | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | 1.0.0~rc13-0ubuntu1 | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | ah, that looks better | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | don't break things when 1.0.0 comes out | 07:26 |
| Fujitsu | What ajmitch said, rather than what my comment on REVU said about a minute ago. | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | if you want to get this into edgy, it'd need a UVF exception | 07:26 |
| rmjb | the rc is from upstream, still needs a ~ instead of a - ? | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | yes | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | upstream can play silly with version numbers, but we can't | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | yes so when 1.0 proper comes out it will upgrade | 07:27 |
| rmjb | ok | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | other wise 1.0.0.rc13 > 1.0.0 but 1.0.0~rc13 < 1.0.0 | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, ^ | 07:27 |
| rmjb | i c | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: got 0.1.1 whipped into shape? :) | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, bah i might have to just do a fresh backage using the /debian dir | 07:29 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: please do | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | s/backage/package | 07:29 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: you were using an ubuntu dir? :-) | 07:35 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: fixed them yet? ;) | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | are we there yet? | 07:36 |
| ajmitch | I'm losing faith in you... | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | zomg dir irl kthx bye .... heh | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | no i'm trying to find out the REAL svn atm | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | core-dev, core-shmev | 07:36 |
| imbrandon | the svn i was using isnt there anymore | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: the users demand packages! | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Compile/Sources | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | svn://metascape.afraid.org/svnroot/beryl/ | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | that's the broken one | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | svn://svn.beryl-project.org/beryl/trunk/ | 07:38 |
| rmjb | when you guys said "get this into edgy" you mean even after it's released? will the freeze be lifted after release or it stays? | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | yea but it isnt matching my old source, so i'm just redoing it | 07:38 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: not after release | 07:39 |
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| rmjb | well dmraid is broken for edgy, this package fixes it (hopefully) so I hope it gets in some time | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | oh snap whats this bdoc crap now, are they trying to make a whole DE ? | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | bdock* | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee!!! | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: sure, why not? | 07:40 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch!!! | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | "Run away!" | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: is that a beryl thing? | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm sorting it out again | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | give me an hour or so i'll have something to poke at | 07:41 |
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| rmjb | okay, new versioning of dmraid is in REVU... | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | oh wow , this is getting nuts, time to make one big debian package to generate all these | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | otherwise versioning will be hell | 07:44 |
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| ajmitch | hey raphink | 07:45 |
| rmjb | crap, lintian gave an error | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: can't you use the tarballs instead of svn? | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | or do they not do tarballs? | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | i dont think there is tarball, leaste not last i looked | 07:46 |
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| ajmitch | so they release, but don't release tarballs | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | how useful | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | yea | 07:46 |
| raphink | hi ajmitch | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: why do you need it as 1 source package? | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | well i dont need to, but if they are all released at the same time it just makes sense really | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | i was thinking kinda like mythplugins | 07:49 |
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| rmjb | ajmitch: I put the version on dmraid as 1.0.0~rc13-0ubuntu1 but lintian complained... is this why the current version is 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1? | 07:49 |
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| ajmitch | because it didn't use to be supported | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | but it is supported in debian & ubuntu now (~ in versions) | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | e.g. ignore lintian on that error | 07:50 |
| rmjb | right | 07:50 |
| rmjb | thanks | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | well, what about keeping with the current upstream versioning? | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | you mean 0.9.9+1.0.0, etc? | 07:51 |
| ajmitch | it's an ugly workaround that ~ solves | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | but if debian's got 0.9.9+1.0.0 going should we diverge from that | 07:52 |
| rmjb | debian doesn't have rc13... which is needed to fix bug #54246 | 07:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Undecided,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54246 | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | if the current version is 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9 and we're updating to rc13 then your right | 07:53 |
| rmjb | okay, reversion then... | 07:54 |
| === ajmitch is underwhelmed by #beryl-dev | ||
| ajmitch | Amaranth: is it always like this? | 07:56 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: When Quinn is around it seems to be more hard development discussions | 07:57 |
| Amaranth | otherwise, yeah | 07:57 |
| ajmitch | ah, the future of feisty | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea i was kinda of the same thinking | 07:57 |
| === ajmitch sobs | ||
| LaserJock | why? | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | surely beryl isn't the future of Feisty | 07:57 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: of course it is | 07:58 |
| ajmitch | sabdfl wants it | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | there is a spec for bery-by-default | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | well fine | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | beryl* | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | i really dont think it will fly just yet | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | what I'm saying is Feisty isn't the *only* thing in Fiesty | 07:58 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: no, but it's a rather visible thing | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | as long as it has a switch to turn it off I'll be ok | 07:59 |
| Amaranth | I guess that means we have 4 months to rewrite it from scratch. | 08:00 |
| Amaranth | None of these guys really knows how to run a project like this. | 08:00 |
| imbrandon | an easy way to turn it "on" would be better imho than default | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: is zope installed by default in *buntu ? | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: of course not | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: +1 | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | how many people do you know of that would ever need it? | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: but it is in main | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | zope3 is in main | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I was confused by that | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I didn't think it was | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | zope2.9 is in universe | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | they have quite different APIs | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | most stuff for 2.x won't run on 3.x without porting | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | so it's in main, just not installed | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | yes | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | like apache is in main, but not installed | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | or any other daemon | 08:02 |
| whiprush | surely we all just get mjg59 stone hammered for most of the week and he'll fix the beryl problems. | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: surely it'll take a lot more than that | 08:03 |
| whiprush | A man can dream. | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | neato, my first blog spam :/ | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yay | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | every time i tell someone how the reason i still use livejournal is because i never get comment spam etc | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | the next day i get one | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | 3 of 3 on that | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | and thats the only 3 times i've ever got a comment spam | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I got a homeloans offer in spanish | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I see the zope question came up in #edubuntu | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | the most popular CMS for zope (plone) is also only in universe now | 08:06 |
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| LaserJock | was plone in Main before? | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | zope is slow to support newer python versions | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | it was for awhile in breezy, not sure about dapper | 08:07 |
| Lathiat | universe in dapper | 08:07 |
| ajmitch | figures | 08:07 |
| ajmitch | probably demoted in dapper or breezy due to python2.3 | 08:07 |
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| ajmitch | I wonder how well my laptop will play with projectors now | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | using the modesetting branch for the i810 driver | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, ping | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: pong | 08:08 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: wait until you see keithp's X demo | 08:08 |
| whiprush | it's /awesome/ | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: yeah, I'd love to see stuff that windows has had for 10+ years :) | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, make sure there isnt 0.1.1 tarballs please before i upload these ( i'm not speaking in there unless i have to ) | 08:09 |
| === ajmitch turns off cynic mode | ||
| Amaranth | imbrandon: isn't 0.1.1 tarballs, what? | 08:09 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: 1995 has left the building! | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: beryl crack | 08:09 |
| Amaranth | whiprush: input/display hotplug? | 08:09 |
| whiprush | output | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: yeah, i know, i just don't understand what he means :P | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: we have some good catchup to do | 08:10 |
| whiprush | I believe DanielS is doing the input stuff | 08:10 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: yeah. | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | xrandr++ or something | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | e.g if they make tarballs or if there is only svn | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: are there beryl 0.1.1 tarballs released? | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush: yes, daniels is doing the input stuff | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | hey Burgundavia | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | I think they just create a tag for a release then make packages | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | hey ajmitch | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: beat them round, please | 08:11 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: xrandr was merged into trunk, no? | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | and include stuff in the packages that isn't in the repo.... &%*# | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | wonderfull *rolls eyes* | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | Well, I think for 0.1 it was just debian/changelog things | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | In SVN it was 0.1.0-1, in the packages it was 0.1.0-0ubuntu1 | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | fun crap like that | 08:12 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: put on the schedule for MV - "how to be a reponsible upstream" | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | WHAT !?! | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, no doubt | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: Like I said, none of them has any idea how to run a project like this. | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | they made a fork of a project and have no idea how to make a project !?! | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-October/019007.html | 08:13 |
| Amaranth | And, the worst part about beryl is something it shares with compiz: the frame-limiter stuff at the core of the entire system is horribly buggy | 08:13 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you expect any less? | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | man i'm starting to see why ajmitch has the attitude he has , sad part is i'm adapting it | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:13 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: sorry for it to rub off | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, dont be, its warented it seems | 08:13 |
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| Amaranth | Neither one of these projects is even close to making a sane default window manager. | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | you seen Marks other crack project for Fiesty? | 08:14 |
| Amaranth | Although Redhat seems to be funding some people to work on compiz now so I have some hope for it. | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | tab-consistency | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: which one? | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | oh that's been on there for awhile | 08:14 |
| Amaranth | Beryl is just the toy I use until the real solution comes along. :) | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | at least a year or so | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, yea i sat in on the voip for that one in edgy paris | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: it has been bumped to high | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | yay | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: and? | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, its really not as bad as it sounds iirc | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | Doesn't Firefox 2 actually basically copy GTK+'s tab style? | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: yes | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: FF 1.5 | 08:15 |
| Amaranth | And the spec is to make them all work like Firefox 1.5? | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | has crap trab control | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | yes, but I think the spec is odl | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: going to lurk in there, are you? :) | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: for a while | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | so how unhappy will they be if imbrandon uploads packages to feisty right before MV? ;) | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | heheh /me plans to | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | "This Week In Features: Non-GPL repo added to emerald-themer" | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | *boggle* | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: see how much trouble you get in | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: classic | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, wow | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: umm... | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | whom from beryl is comming to mv ? | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | what does that mean? | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: quinn storm at least | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | I don't know who else | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, it means they are using windows copyrighted images and plan to host them internationaly | 08:18 |
| elkbuntu | DBO will be there too | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | wonderful | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | Wow, cracktastic, they have a new animation thingy that sets your window on fire and burns it out of existence when you close it. | 08:18 |
| Lathiat | lol | 08:18 |
| Lathiat | thats awesome | 08:18 |
| Lathiat | well it will be the first 3 times you do it | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | heh | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | [00:55] <cyberorg> themes would be free licence, but they my infringe copyright laws of some countires | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | [00:56] <shawn_home> copying the look exactly? even if its not the original file? | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | [00:56] <cyberorg> as we are not lawyers we dont know, so all the themes that fall under 'grey' catagory would be hosted on server in norway | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | [00:57] <cyberorg> whoever wants them can download them | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | I love how the foucus is totally on features | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | yeh thats quite obviouus | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | i tried beryl | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: but they have the disclaimer there that 90% of it is bugfixes, you know | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | it crashed every couple minutes | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: you fracking serious? | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | wishlist bugs for new features | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | compiz OTOH seemed to work ok | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: you know me | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | some of the plugins went a bit nuts | 08:19 |
| Lathiat | but generally "worked" | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: yes | 08:19 |
| elkbuntu | Burgundavia, theres a 90% chance he could be | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | elkbuntu: very likely | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | wishlist bugs for new features are considered bugfixes ?!? | 08:20 |
| rmjb | hey LaserJock can you take another look at the dmraid in revu if you can? | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | wow this is getting better by the minute | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | rmjb: not sure if I can tonight, but I'll put it on my todo list ;-) | 08:20 |
| rmjb | thanks | 08:20 |
| Amaranth | Honestly I think we should focus on compiz. | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | so, how do we redirect that beryl to shipping default compzi? | 08:21 |
| Amaranth | Tweak it, tune it, make it shine, ship it. | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | that is where everybody else is going | 08:21 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: so do I, but they've already invited DBO & quinn storm along... | 08:21 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: convince mark | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | ugh | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | the autogen.sh looks for actual package dependancys instead of just making a configure script | 08:21 |
| whiprush | we vote you Corey. | 08:21 |
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| Burgundavia | the other thing todo is to drown the system in bug reports if we do ship beryl by default | 08:21 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: Holy. Shit. | 08:21 |
| ajmitch | it'd be harder to convince him at UDS with beryl people there in the room | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush: I am no more successful than others | 08:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: it gets better by the minute | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, my thoughts exactly | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon:, Amaranth: are you guys documenting every single problem int eh package? | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | we are going to need a huge portfolio of problems to stop Mark | 08:22 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: I'm thinking we should. | 08:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: which autogen.sh? | 08:22 |
| whiprush | remember when all we had to worry about was naked people? | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, harder, i would think it would be easier, easier to see the BS irl than on IRC or blogs | 08:23 |
| === Lathiat laughs at whiprush | ||
| imbrandon | ajmitch, from svn | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | whatever happened to ubuntu-calendar | 08:23 |
| Amaranth | I'll slap it all up on the beryl forums, get flamed to death for trying to point out problems, etc. :P | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | it was the near-perfect excuse to have mostly naked people on your desktop | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | "well it just comes with my distro" | 08:23 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: packaging issues, or upstream source issues? | 08:23 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: which one, there are several | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: the old naked people ones | 08:23 |
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| imbrandon | beryl-core one was where i started | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: better place is that spec | 08:24 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: upstream source and packaging | 08:24 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: beryl-core's autogen.sh looks sane | 08:24 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: and general project management | 08:24 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: it just does the standard autofoo & runs configure | 08:24 |
| ajmitch | many autogen.sh scripts do that | 08:24 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: will you be at UDS to fight alongside us? | 08:24 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: Sadly, no. | 08:25 |
| Amaranth | my sponsorship was declined | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | I'll be there, but I won't be much help | 08:25 |
| ajmitch | unfortunate | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that stinks | 08:25 |
| ajmitch | so we have to document all this crack | 08:25 |
| === Amaranth has been involved in the beryl world since day 1 | ||
| === ajmitch wonders what DBO does | ||
| imbrandon | Amaranth, its all your fault ( sarcasim ) | 08:25 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: you were declined, yet beryl is so "critical" and you wrote willow-ng? | 08:26 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: and you still stick in there? | 08:26 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: bling outweighs all :P | 08:26 |
| ajmitch | don't we know it | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: bling is fucking useless | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | bling is nice when it works and is stable | 08:26 |
| Amaranth | Yeah... | 08:26 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: got any ideas for extra bling for my n-a code? | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: working | 08:26 |
| ChaosFan | i/wg 34 | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | that is the only kind of bling that gets me off | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: yeah, having the code working is a bonus | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | I was actually pretty surprised I got declined seeing how I'm probably closer then most of the people that were asking for sponsorship and my SoC work and such. | 08:27 |
| whiprush | heh | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | but beryl manages fine without that | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | the kind of get when it takes one click to just make it work | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | Amaranth: what do tickets cost? | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | I can do it in maybe 3-4 clicks | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | not 1 at the moment | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | I dunno, I think it was $300 USD round trip | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | since it doesn't autodetect the world | 08:27 |
| ajmitch | wasabi has had some useful ideas for it | 08:28 |
| ajmitch | maybe I can sit down with mpt in the airport & we can hack up some nice UI :) | 08:28 |
| rmjb | I'm looking for another reviewer for dmraid in revu, if any motu can take a look and email me that'd be great | 08:29 |
| rmjb | g'night all, time for sleep | 08:29 |
| ajmitch | night | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: UI for beryl or for n-a? | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | for n-a code, of course | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | useful stuff | 08:30 |
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| ajmitch | I'm not going to waste my time working on beryl | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | *gasp* | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: having decent integration will sell a lot better in the business world than wobbly windows | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | heck yeah | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, +1 | 08:31 |
| === LaserJock imagines wobbly authentication | ||
| imbrandon | lol | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | fuzzy logic auth with wobbly windows for user-centric web2.0 intergration ? | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | fuzzy logic is such an old buzzword | 08:32 |
| === LaserJock throws up | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | it should have nanotechnology in there though | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, i guess i'm stuck in the 90's on buzzwords | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: grid computing! | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | I love throwing in the buzz words for grant proposals | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | nano grid computers that generate ajax xml code on the fly for the community webspace ? | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | chemical and biological threat agent detection via nanosensors works pretty well for me :-) | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | s/webspace/blogsphere | 08:34 |
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| === Amaranth beats his broken internet | ||
| LaserJock | wobbly internet, it's all the rage | 08:36 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| Amaranth | Hey, anyone going to Mountain View got some space on the floor of their hotel room available? :) | 08:41 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, did you finaly get a hotel ? | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: wish I could say yes - I think there'll already be 3 in the room I'm in | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, i wouldent mind but i dunno whom i'm with | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah, I think so | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | we'll see how good it is | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | i guess it wont be decided till we get there | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | i dunno for sure tbh | 08:46 |
| Amaranth | Unless you want to be more than 10mi away all the hotels are either expensive or bad looking | 08:47 |
| === ajmitch will probably be in a bad-looking hotel then | ||
| LaserJock | for Paris they sent room assignments like a week ahead | 08:47 |
| Amaranth | This is just going by pictures | 08:47 |
| === imbrandon looks at the name of the hotel | ||
| ajmitch | imbrandon: the one you're at is 10 miles away :) | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | http://www.wildpalmshotel.com | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | seems to be the one i'm at | 08:48 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, I can't believe it is so far away | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | although that area is mostly residential | 08:50 |
| Amaranth | 4.93 mi | 08:50 |
| Amaranth | according to expedia | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: what was the hotel you found? | 08:50 |
| Amaranth | $102.47/night for 1 person :P | 08:50 |
| Amaranth | and they room "package" is called "WiFi King Room", that worries me for some reason | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | lol | 08:52 |
| Amaranth | their own website says $69/night for that room | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | well, keep in mind that all of Mountain View has wifi ;-) | 08:53 |
| Amaranth | no doubt | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | except the hotel you're in | 08:53 |
| Amaranth | lmao | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | which is well outside the MV coverage area | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 08:54 |
| Amaranth | how is that? | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | dont say that | 08:54 |
| Amaranth | it's 5 miles away from google | 08:54 |
| ajmitch | the wild palms hotel is in sunnyvale, not MV | 08:54 |
| Amaranth | oh, ouch | 08:54 |
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| LaserJock | right | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | but if you stay in MV it's free internet, wahoo | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | but in the evenings at the room no internet ? that gonna bite | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | why no internet? | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | does it say that? | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | sunnyvale != MV | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | sure, but the hotel probably has internet | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | it says there internet in the business center ( e.g a room with 3 computers ) says nothing about in room access or wifi | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | http://www.jdvhospitality.com/hotels/services/20 | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | sabdfl might sort out something | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | even Paris had internet | 08:59 |
| Amaranth | the room itself is advertised as "WiFi King" | 08:59 |
| Amaranth | so it'd better have wifi :P | 08:59 |
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| LaserJock | Amaranth: no that short for Wide Filters, for the coffee pot ;-) | 09:00 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | haha | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | ahh well i guess it does say : Deluxe guestrooms feature all of the above and high speed Internet access | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | but at what cost? | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | right, thats what i was thinking | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | I suppose it's not NZ | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | so it won't be horrendously expensive | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | in Paris it was something like $15/night | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | but we got it for free | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure if Mark paid for it or what | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | probably | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | just got included with the group discount | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | i'm sure | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | E: libvirt_0.1.8-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | we'll need to update lintian soon | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | yea not 3/4 the way through the cycle like edgy | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | ( on tiber ) | 09:06 |
| === ajmitch waits for package to build again | ||
| LaserJock | tiber still does it for edgy doesn't it? | 09:06 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, probably | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | havent checked in a while | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | we just got to Dapper | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | so who plans to upgrade to feisty as soon as it opens & ride out the syncs? | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | i'll try it on one computer, always do | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | I always say no, but that only lasts for a while | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | just not a prodution box | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | I was planning on skipping edgy | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | but well, it's hard to test things if you don't | 09:08 |
| Amaranth | I tend to switch as soon as the build chain stuff gets somewhat settle (new libc, gcc, etc) | 09:10 |
| minghua | If I get my laptop set up, I'll follow feisty | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | i dunno if my laptop will be able to follow feisty, theres a spec to drop ppc support :( | 09:11 |
| === imbrandon dosent see it happening though , not till feisty+1 | ||
| LaserJock | yeah, that would be a little harsh | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | ppc has been gone less then a year | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | from Apple | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | yea i see it happening , just not /this/ round | 09:13 |
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| imbrandon | unless someone else like ibm pumps out desktop ppc machines | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | not just servers | 09:13 |
| Amaranth | i can't see an "enterprise" distro that offers a server version dropping ppc ever | 09:14 |
| Amaranth | IBM makes some kickass POWER5 servers, no? | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | but thats not gonna happen, we'll drop ppc in feisty+1 and pickup cell in feisty+2 | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth, yea the server deritive, i'm talking ubuntu | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | the desktop distro | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | cell? | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: we have a server version though | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | also sparc | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea but its a derivative just like kubuntu, like edubuntu chooses not to make a livecd, deritives can do as they wish | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | kubuntu /could/ go dvd only etc | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | ( not that it will ) | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | ubuntu-server will keep ppc becouse of ibm | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | but there is no desktop ppc's anymore | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but you can't just remove ppc support from the archives if ubuntu-server still uses it | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | you can't separate desktop and server in the repos very well | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, right, but canonical dosent have to support it | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | kinda like hppa and sparc build | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | who cares about canonical :-) | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | i'm not saying it would get droped from the repos | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | I can't imagine Ubuntu dropping ppc from the archives any time in the near future | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | but it could very well move to unsupported | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | it would just get demoted to ports status | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | like sparc and hppa | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | ah well, that makes sense | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | like ia64, etc | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | you know, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x and https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/beryl-by-default are mutually exclusive states | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | right exactly | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: sparc is official for the server | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, ^ | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | I don't really think of supported as == Canonical support | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | I think of it as Ubuntu support | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea and ppc would likely stay offical on the server also but not on the desktop | 09:18 |
| Lathiat | hrm mark regd the beryl by default spec | 09:19 |
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| ajmitch | Burgundavia: not necessarily | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | i see what all the fuss is about | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: exactly | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | Lathiat, yea | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: one is for the X server to always come up | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | so basicly all the devs will have to show him why not | 09:19 |
| Fujitsu | Beryl... by default!? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | why don't we just make Mark be the assignee :-) | 09:19 |
| Fujitsu | Erm, this is one thing that nobody is going to agree with Mark on... | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: yes, we've been lamenting that for hours now | 09:19 |
| Fujitsu | I didn't know it was him that registered that spec. | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, you missed about 3 hours of convo | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | I presumed it was just some random person who walked out of nowhere. | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: if it were someone else, then it wouldn't matter nearly as much | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | Of course! | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | we could just laugh them off | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | in a nice, CoC-compliant way | 09:20 |
| Lathiat | i mean in an ideal world thatd be great | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i mean more it move to the ia64 or hppa status , not "removed" from the repos | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | (and I may have taken ages about it, but I did finally get my encrypted /home/fujitsu going) | 09:20 |
| Lathiat | but i dont see beryl anywhere near default-making :\ | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I could see that | 09:20 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, hppa never actually appeared in the Edgy repos, so that's not really a good example. | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | Lathiat: Sure it is. It'll make Ubuntu more stable than ever! | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | like how 2 negatives make a positive :-) | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, you mean beryl isnt bullet-proof ?!? | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | </sarcasim> | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: like butch cassidy and the sundance kid | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: now now, you're sounding as bitter as I do | 09:23 |
| === Fujitsu watches sabdfl put Burgundavia to trial for treason. | ||
| imbrandon | ajmitch, hehe | 09:23 |
| === LaserJock hands imbrandon a dictionary | ||
| LaserJock | </sarcasm> | 09:23 |
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| imbrandon | Fujitsu, you have anything you need off horatio, i think i'm going to pull it down for ~24 hours for some network rearraging | 09:23 |
| === ajmitch recompiles libvirt for the Nth time | ||
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: I've not been using it much lately (school stuff is taking priority), and I don't need anything off it. | 09:24 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: whatchya doing with it? | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | kk | 09:24 |
| Fujitsu | (and who is the `We' Mark refers to in that spec? I don't see anybody else official clamouring for it.) | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: creating a package | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: royal | 09:24 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, probably. | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | zomg | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | spam subject of the day: "Beliefnet: Motivation from Mr. T" | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: rocking | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | silly me, that's why it's not calling dh_pycentral | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | no distutils magic | 09:28 |
| === ajmitch rebuilds | ||
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I pity the fool that uses Mr. T for spam ;-) | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | i want a new mac book pro, i think i'm gonna sell my lappy after MTV and get a new one | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | if possible | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: buy me a laptop too, will you? | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | I'd be stuck with a mac book | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | I'm no pro :( | 09:30 |
| imbrandon | hehe well even a mac book, something faster than 1.5ghz | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | and a tad more ram | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | and i'd be happy | 09:31 |
| === ajmitch doesn't *need* a new laptop | ||
| ajmitch | but a new one would be nice :) | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | I need one | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | my wife is going to want this one back one of these days | 09:32 |
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| imbrandon | hehe | 09:32 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | hey dholbach | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | heya dholbach | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | hi dholbach | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I just realized, you really should be in bed | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | heh not for another few hours | 09:35 |
| dholbach | hi ajmitch, imbrandon, LaserJock - how's it going? | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | good, how are you? | 09:35 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: gut, und du? | 09:36 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: haha - I'm fine... just need to wake up 100% :) | 09:40 |
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| Lathiat | haha | 09:50 |
| Lathiat | -devel | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | what? | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | Lathiat: it is GREAT! | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | [02:49] <Administrator> 2.6.18 is already out, when will this be uploaded to edgy? | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | [02:49] <fabbione> edgy is about to be released in 4 days.. there will be no .18 | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | [02:50] <Administrator> you guys releasing edgy while people have kernel panics? | 09:51 |
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| Fujitsu | [17:51:59] <Administrator> I need to deliver 500 pc running edgy | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | [17:52:09] <tfheen> Administrator: now, please let us concentrate on the release. There will be no changes to the kernel in edgy. | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | [17:52:10] <Administrator> they all have via chipsets | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, you know kernel freeze was quite a while back ( and if your delivering 500pc's ) i would sugest a LTS release like dapper | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | ... what's this got to do with him? | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx == administrator , diffrent nicks | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | 15:52 -!- Administrator [n=Administ@81.58.38.138] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:55 |
| Lathiat | wouldnt hav ethought so? | 09:55 |
| === Lathiat shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | oh well | 09:55 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, how do you know? | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, i was arround when he registered administrator, i have talked to him for montns about fluxbuntu | 09:56 |
| Lathiat | well hes back | 09:56 |
| Lathiat | if you want to reissue the comment | 09:56 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, you realise that a lot of people use Windows? And Administrator is a default username there? | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, yes, but joejaxx owns the nick afaik | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | thus i figured it was him | 09:57 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, him owning it proves what? Administrator wasn't identified... | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, not a damn thing, i said figured | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | not know for sure | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | you asked how i knew i told you | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | whats with the 3rd degree | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | ? | 09:58 |
| === elkbuntu gets the buckets of cold water ready. | ||
| gnomefreak | he is on joejaxx atm | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | jez man | 09:58 |
| Fujitsu | <imbrandon> joejaxx == administrator , diffrent nicks | 09:58 |
| Fujitsu | That's pretty definitive! | 09:58 |
| === Fujitsu runs away now. | ||
| imbrandon | yes Fujitsu joejaxx owns that nick | 09:59 |
| === elkbuntu ensures Fujitsu is followed by a bucket of cold water. | ||
| imbrandon | [02:58] [Notice] -NickServ- Nickname: administrator | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | [02:58] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered: 8 weeks 3 days (4h 2m 58s) ago | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | [02:58] [Notice] -NickServ- Last Seen: 1 week 6 days (10h 22m 44s) ago (joejaxx is online) | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | [02:58] [Notice] -NickServ- Last Seen Address: i=joejaxx@ubuntu/member/joejaxx | 09:59 |
| minghua | calm down, guys | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | i'm fine, i just dident see the third degree, about "how i knew" hehe | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | what is the technical description of what a md5sum is? | 10:01 |
| minghua | LaserJock: RFC 1321 (as said in md5sum(1) man page)? | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: you mean a secure data hashing algorithm? | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1321.html | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | ok, maybe "technical" wasn't the right term :-) | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | The proper term? | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | #5 | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, how about, what is the description | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | The | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | algorithm takes as input a message of arbitrary length and produces | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | as output a 128-bit "fingerprint" or "message digest" of the input. | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | I know md5sum and sha1sums look at checksums, but I'm not sure what that means | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | that what you wanted? | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | not really, but sorta :-) | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | i'm just quoting the url from above | 10:06 |
| === imbrandon steals elkbuntu's bucket of water and pours its on Fujitsu , preemtive strike !?! | ||
| elkbuntu | imbrandon, heh. a slow one at that | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | just a little | 10:09 |
| === LaserJock grabs some Yucca Mountain nuclear waste and lobs it towards KC ;-) | ||
| imbrandon | lol | 10:09 |
| === Fujitsu runs away. | ||
| === Fujitsu throws Windows CDs at imbrandon. | ||
| imbrandon | arg | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: that's pretty low :-) | 10:10 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, but they're PIRATED Windows CDs, which is integral to the next part of my plan. | 10:10 |
| elkbuntu | LaserJock, he didnt specify version | 10:10 |
| imbrandon | i'll just add them to the AOL cd collection | 10:10 |
| === Fujitsu rings 1-800-PIRACY, or whatever that 1800 number for Microsoft Piracy is in the US, and reports imbrandon. | ||
| LaserJock | elkbuntu: true | 10:11 |
| Fujitsu | You're stuffed now! | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | haha | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | they make good christmass tree ornaments , but thats probably against the EULA | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | 1-800-r-u-legit | 10:11 |
| Fujitsu | That could be it. | 10:11 |
| Fujitsu | I have a Windows 95 Certificate of Authenticity around here somewhere... | 10:12 |
| Fujitsu | Ah! | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | MS promoting good spelling | 10:12 |
| Fujitsu | VB4 one... that should have it. | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | "By using this CD as a festive holiday decoration device you are agreeing to our EULA which in short requires you to hand over any future derivative decoration devices" | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hahahaha | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | probably one about not whiskey tumbler coasters too in the EULA | 10:13 |
| imbrandon | ( you may not buy stuff on ebay while intoxicated ) | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | "By using this CD as a alcoholic beverage spill protection device you agree to transfer the copyright to any creative work you create while drinking said beverage." | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | darn, I should work for the MS legal department | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | what a waste | 10:16 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: you really shoudl. | 10:16 |
| Fujitsu | *should | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | nah, I think chemistry is better for my health and conscience | 10:17 |
| imbrandon | :) | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | although the redmond campus is in a rather nice area | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, that's weird. I just realized I have relatives that live almost walking distance from Google, MS, and Adobe | 10:19 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:20 |
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| phanatic | morning | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | good thing I'm here to warn them when the FLOSS stampede begins :-) | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | moins | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, haha | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | 3 more hours till i can crank amarok ( everyone is asleep ) | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | how do you die temporarly ? | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | [03:21] <NewdleBot> imbrandon died, temporarily... This terrible calamity has slowed them 0 days, 01:26:30 from level 46. | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | [03:21] <NewdleBot> imbrandon reaches next level in 1 day, 01:28:12. | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | well, you see, you are just mostly dead | 10:24 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | I think I'll have to start a scripting language based on The Princess Bride | 10:27 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
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| LaserJock | ah, and instead of pointer I'd have pits of despair | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, haha http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/22/pot_grown_in_a_pc.html , do they have meth lab case mods in reno ? hehehe | 10:29 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: no, not unless they come out with a lowrider version of that case ;-) | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | with big rims | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: that would make an interesting science fair entry :-) | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | "Technology in the Everyday Life" | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:33 |
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| minghua | we have an angry speex upstream maintainer | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I just read that | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | yea i read that too, if its just a patch might be good for SRU | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: the speex binary is in Universe according to madison | 10:40 |
| Lathiat | SRU/ | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | Stable Release Update | 10:40 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: the source is in main. | 10:40 |
| Fujitsu | And the source is what matters, is it not? | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | maybe, maybe not | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | I guess | 10:41 |
| Lathiat | its a little dependant | 10:41 |
| Lathiat | generally yes that matters | 10:41 |
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| Fujitsu | I find it rather silly that there is that split, 'cause we can't do a thing about it if the source is in main. | 10:41 |
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| Fujitsu | And core-devs are unlikely to touch universe stuff... | 10:42 |
| Fujitsu | So speex is stuffed. | 10:42 |
| Lathiat | well a motu could co-ordinate with a core-dev | 10:42 |
| Lathiat | and get it fixed | 10:42 |
| imbrandon | yea source is what matters as far as uploadability but if the patch only affect universe binary then | 10:42 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, if you wanna to check the pacth and stuff i'll be the core-dev part for an SRU | 10:42 |
| imbrandon | i havent done one yet, good time to learn | 10:43 |
| Fujitsu | I've got no AMD64 to test on (this problem just keeps coming up :(), so I'm not very useful for it. | 10:44 |
| Lathiat | i can test tonight for you | 10:44 |
| Lathiat | in a few hours | 10:44 |
| Lathiat | unless someone else can beforehand | 10:44 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, give me 2 minutes i can give you access to a amd64 | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | I think if it's in upstream and fixes the issue in Edgy, it should be good enough. | 10:44 |
| Lathiat | .. or that. :) | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | siretart must be lurking :-) | 10:44 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks, imbrando. | 10:45 |
| Fujitsu | *imbrandon | 10:45 |
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| siretart | mh? | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, done check query | 10:51 |
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| LaserJock | siretart: I just noticed that you replied to the speex email so I figured you were up :-) | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | siretart, tag looks good to me ( unless you just really want a reply to the mail for a +1 from peeps ) | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | hm | 10:55 |
| === ajmitch does not like angering upstreams | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: where was the email? | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea , its not good, i just gave fujitsu access on my amd64 so he can play with it and get it ready for SRU and me / you / someone can push the upload once approved since its in main ( source ) | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I saw that earlier today | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, the -motu list | 10:57 |
| === Fujitsu curses those silly packages with binaries in both universe and main. | ||
| ajmitch | ah | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | where was debconf6 ? | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | Mexico | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | they have internet in mexico ? | 10:59 |
| === imbrandon ducks | ||
| LaserJock | no | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | I remember hearing lots of complaints when it was going on | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | oh there really isnt ? i was half jokin | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | something about stringing cables all over the roofs of buildings | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | hahah i wouldent doubt it | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | ever been to rural mexico ( that is most of it ) ? | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | its nuts | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | I remember seeing "houses" that were 4 sticks with some tin on top across the street from the largest Dodge dealership I'd ever seen | 11:01 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:02 |
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| imbrandon | hum is there software in the default install that will let me go from dvd (non-commercial not talking warez stuff) to mpeg/ogg/or some other great format | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | or maybe in universe ? | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | dvdrip? | 11:23 |
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| LaserJock | UbuntuWorld 2007 ? | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | where do you see that ? | 11:26 |
| phanatic | imbrandon: mark's blog | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | planet | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | oh my | 11:27 |
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| phanatic | we're just about to have something like that this weekend (you may call UbuntuHungary 2006) :) | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | rockin, UbuntuWorld 2007 would be awesom i think, like an "official" Ubucon or DebconfX | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: shame that most of us won't get to it :) | 11:29 |
| imbrandon | well i would think it would change cities like debconf | 11:29 |
| imbrandon | but yea | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: well there is going to be Ubucon twice a year | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | ubucon 2 times a year ? | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | at googleplex ? | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | living in NZ does suck sometimes :) | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | being broke does too no matter where you live ( talking about me ) | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | oh well | 11:31 |
| imbrandon | kids never get married early | 11:31 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | us developers can moan together in solidarity ;) | 11:31 |
| imbrandon | divorce is expensive | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | I don't plan to do it | 11:32 |
| imbrandon | i dident plan to get divorced either, but in my case you can only over look a memory problem so much ( she would leave the house and forgot she was married ) | 11:32 |
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| sivang | morning all | 11:33 |
| imbrandon | heya sivang | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | hi sivang | 11:33 |
| phanatic | morning sivang | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: 1 at google, the other in New Your I believe | 11:34 |
| sivang | ajmitch: ubunutworld , oh my indeed :) | 11:34 |
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| sivang | hi ajmitch , phanatic , imbrandon | 11:36 |
| sivang | LaserJock: twice a year? where do you get all this insider's info? :) | 11:36 |
| Admiral_Chicago | thats a first that i've ever seen | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | sivang: I'm talking about Ubucon | 11:37 |
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| phanatic | LaserJock: there's UDS, there will be UbuntuWorld. and now Ubucon? :) | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | Ubucon was before UbuntuWorld :-) | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | and it was at Google before UDS was so.... | 11:39 |
| Admiral_Chicago | he's back | 11:39 |
| imbrandon | ubucon has already been happening, and UDS isnt user and company centric | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | UDS was before them all | 11:40 |
| phanatic | LaserJock: oh, right, sorry :) | 11:40 |
| phanatic | i remember now | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | Admiral_Chicago: ? | 11:40 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | ajmitch: ubotu quit and rejoined | 11:40 |
| Admiral_Chicago | err nevermind | 11:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i'm really tired and can't read | 11:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | bedtime | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | heh, night | 11:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | http://chi.ubuntu-us.org/ | 11:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | some of you may want to take the poll on the page | 11:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | it's about the new art | 11:41 |
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| imbrandon | is xvid a "free" codec ? | 12:09 |
| Plug | it's open source, but I think it has licensing issues | 12:10 |
| Plug | as it's an MPEG-4 derivative | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | hum i'm trying to rip some of my dvds into totaly free formats | 12:10 |
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| Fujitsu | Theora! | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | i dont see theroa on the list | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | ;( | 12:11 |
| Fujitsu | Write in Theora+Vorbis support, then! | 12:11 |
| === Fujitsu ducks. | ||
| imbrandon | yea , right on , lol | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss112.png | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | err 113 | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | see my list of choices | 12:14 |
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| ajmitch | Fujitsu: special.. | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | see any of those that are "free" totaly ? | 12:14 |
| Fujitsu | How can people recommend such a thing!? | 12:14 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, 112 looks like it's the right one... But I can't see anything free there (not sure about the last three, though) | 12:15 |
| minghua | oh, checkinstall is forbidden to be spoken now? | 12:15 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yes alien , checkinstall and umm what was the third ? | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Was there one? | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | Was it RPM? | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | yea i had 3 , no not rpm | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 12:16 |
| minghua | but c9l is really not easy to understand.... I was thinking of another lisp compiler | 12:16 |
| minghua | imbrandon: automatix? | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | thats possibly #4 | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | minghua: it's just too dirty to say it in full. | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | Automatix is also pretty much forbidden, yes. | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | EasyUbuntu is somewhat better | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | not alot imho , it should be easy just to DO | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | True. | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | but alas the real world bites again | 12:17 |
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| imbrandon | welp i guess xvid is as good as any for now | 12:19 |
| sivang | ah, LaserJoc referred to the ubuntu user con that was in google | 12:21 |
| sivang | *LaserJock | 12:22 |
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| AnAnt | what should I do if I asked a question on #ubuntu+1 & ubuntu-users mailing list several days ago, yet got no answer ? | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | forums, prod friends , depending on the issue umm open a support ticket | 12:30 |
| AnAnt | imbrandon: what's the support ticket ? on LP | 12:30 |
| AnAnt | > | 12:30 |
| AnAnt | ? | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | yes | 12:30 |
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| ajmitch | AnAnt: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets | 12:32 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 12:34 |
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| Plug | if a build (dpkg-buildpackage) stops at something like dh_installdocs, can I rerun without it doing the clean & therefore recompiling? | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | dbpkg-buildpackage -nc | 12:58 |
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| ajmitch | ignore the typo, you'll know what I mean | 12:58 |
| Plug | aha! thanks, i wish I'd known about that years ago :) | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | :) | 12:59 |
| sivang | -nc Do not clean the source tree(implies -b). | 12:59 |
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| sivang | Plug: ^^^ | 12:59 |
| Plug | sivang: cheers too | 12:59 |
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| === ajmitch wonders why bug 67720 is filed against wine | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67720 in wine "Cannot install wireless driver in newer edgy version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67720 | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: why not? | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | becouse they wanna install the windows drivers ? hehehe | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: because it obviously isn't related to wine? :) | 01:00 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: from a tar.gz? | 01:00 |
| Fujitsu | wireless' first 4 letters are close enough to wine, so it's a wine bug. | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, i dunno lol | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: given his spelling in the bugreport, it wouldn't surprise me.. | 01:01 |
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| pirast | StevenK, any idea what is wrong with the build of enigmail-locales? | 01:44 |
| StevenK | pirast: Um, no, but only because I haven't had a chance to look yet. | 01:44 |
| pirast | StevenK, okay. But you did upload everything, right? It is not just a debdiff that has to be uploaded | 01:45 |
| pirast | StevenK, would be nice when you have a look at that later | 01:45 |
| StevenK | pirast: According to Launchpad, it's in the archive. | 01:46 |
| StevenK | Current release: 0.9x-20061010-1ubuntu1 | 01:46 |
| StevenK | Creator: Martin Jrgens | 01:46 |
| pirast | StevenK,but the builds page at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/enigmail-locales/+builds?build_state=all says it was not build | 01:47 |
| StevenK | i386 build of enigmail-locales 0.9x-20061010-1ubuntu1 in ubuntu edgy RELEASE | 01:47 |
| StevenK | Status: Successfully built | 01:47 |
| StevenK | Anything else you'd me to disprove? :- | 01:48 |
| StevenK | :-P | 01:48 |
| pirast | SteveK, lol! | 01:48 |
| pirast | StevenK, I dont know why, but I always saw the version without ubuntu there :-) | 01:48 |
| pirast | StevenK, okay.. it was built today :-) | 01:48 |
| pirast | But I wonder why it took so long to build :-) | 01:49 |
| pirast | StevenK, thanks :-) | 01:49 |
| StevenK | pirast: Probably because it was sitting in the unapproved queue. | 01:49 |
| Fujitsu | pirast: it was only approved less than an hour ago. | 01:49 |
| StevenK | pirast: Since we are so close to release, all uploads have to be approved manually. | 01:49 |
| pirast | k.. thanks :-) | 01:50 |
| Fujitsu | OK, almost 2 hours ago, but still. | 01:50 |
| pirast | wargh, I am so happy to have this in Edgy.. It took me some time to fix the issue :-) | 01:50 |
| pirast | I am somewhat happy.. | 01:50 |
| pirast | enigmail bug fixed | 01:50 |
| pirast | ooo copy and paste bug gets fixed before of the edgy release | 01:50 |
| pirast | firefox rss bug gets fixed before the edgy release :-) | 01:51 |
| === StevenK notes the pusle for his local mirror is going to be large tonight. | ||
| Fujitsu | pusle? | 01:52 |
| StevenK | Um. pulse | 01:52 |
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| Q-FUNK | StevenK: what pulse? | 02:08 |
| Q-FUNK | what's gonna be so big? | 02:08 |
| pirast | Q-FUNK I think it will probably be the firefox 2 d/ls ;-) | 02:14 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| Q-FUNK | ony tomorrow, though, not tonight? | 02:15 |
| StevenK | It might be tonight. | 02:16 |
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| ajmitch | yay, end of the month | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | (for ISP billing) | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | so I can start downloading RC images for testing | 02:21 |
| sivang | heh | 02:24 |
| pirast | sivang, hi | 02:25 |
| sivang | hey pirast | 02:25 |
| sivang | pirast: I wanted to ask you if have any idea bout mod-mono | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | sivang: it's well known | 02:26 |
| sivang | it seems like the borken dependency list is deep deep :) | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | apache-dev & apache2-dev can't be installed together | 02:26 |
| sivang | ajmitch: ah, well, with this list of broken stuff no wonder :) | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | nothing we can do immediately to fix that | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | due to differing libdb4.3-dev & libdb4.4-dev | 02:26 |
| sivang | differing from sid ? | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | no | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | apache & apache2 use different libdb versions, they need to use the same | 02:27 |
| sivang | why can't we have two versions of libdb ? | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | because they have the same files | 02:27 |
| sivang | ah | 02:27 |
| sivang | bad | 02:28 |
| StevenK | Because the symbols weren't versioned, either. | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | it's an old old problem | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | infinity was going to look at it if he got time, being an apache maintainer | 02:28 |
| sivang | I see | 02:28 |
| sivang | StevenK: versioned symbols ? | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | sivang: magical fun | 02:29 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| sivang | hmm | 02:29 |
| sivang | you mean, versioning the exported symbols from a binary? | 02:29 |
| sivang | oh dear | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | instead of a library wide version, symbols in libraries can get versions as well | 02:29 |
| sivang | specific to GCC, or IEEE sandard stuff? | 02:29 |
| StevenK | It's an ELF-ism | 02:30 |
| sivang | I see | 02:30 |
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| imbrandon | and me ;) ( the dident know part ) | 02:31 |
| sivang | StevenK, ajmitch : indeed. I feel so betrayed | 02:31 |
| StevenK | Heh | 02:31 |
| sivang | ;) | 02:31 |
| sivang | just when I thought that at least at that level things can stay off-magic | 02:32 |
| sivang | anyway, gotta run, see you all alters dude | 02:32 |
| sivang | s | 02:32 |
| StevenK | No, no, they get more magical. | 02:32 |
| sivang | StevenK: well, yeah, but versioned symbols? /me wonders how would the debian lib packaging guide would look trying to explain them. | 02:32 |
| StevenK | It doesn't need to. | 02:33 |
| sivang | how does lib packaging can relate to versioned symbols? | 02:33 |
| sivang | (give problem might arise if neglecting where the situation is right) | 02:33 |
| StevenK | Versioned symbols are only needed if you want multiple versions of the library to co-exist and be loaded at the same time in the same symbol table. | 02:33 |
| StevenK | And maybe not even then. | 02:34 |
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| StevenK | See, it's magical. | 02:34 |
| sivang | StevenK: hehe, btw,what sane use case could be for that? | 02:34 |
| sivang | (especially: in the *same* symbold table) | 02:34 |
| StevenK | sivang: Most of them *aren't* sane, that's the point. ;-) | 02:34 |
| thom | sivang: your binary loads two extension modules. one is linked to foo1.2, and one is linked to foo2.0 | 02:35 |
| StevenK | To be honest, it's something you want to avoid. | 02:35 |
| === bhale bets php might be a culprit for that | ||
| sivang | bhale: I would think ;-p | 02:35 |
| sivang | thom: nice | 02:36 |
| === sivang notes this in the "things I never really wanted to know" list | ||
| === StevenK chuckles. | ||
| ajmitch | I'm sure keybuk could tell you even more details | 02:36 |
| sivang | yes, his the master of the dirty details ;-) | 02:37 |
| sivang | anyway fells, I need to run now. laters all! | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | given that he maintained libtool at some point, iirc | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | bye | 02:37 |
| === ajmitch had better go & sleep or something | ||
| thom | StevenK: libdb _does_ have versioned symbols | 02:38 |
| thom | it's one of the oldest things in the archive that does | 02:38 |
| StevenK | Oh. | 02:39 |
| === StevenK must have remembered wrongly. | ||
| thom | but you still can't install two sets of its dev headers together | 02:39 |
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| pirast | sivang, no i dont have any.. | 02:42 |
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| zul | wth is vegemite? | 03:40 |
| StevenK | An Australian spread made from yeast. | 03:41 |
| zul | ah ok.. | 03:41 |
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| StevenK | Apparently, now illegal to import into America. | 03:41 |
| zul | yeah i been reading jdub's blog | 03:41 |
| zul | aussie's in america are welcome to canada i dont think we have banned it (yet) | 03:42 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello bddebian | 03:49 |
| bddebian | Hi Gloubiboulga | 03:49 |
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| rmjb | Morning guys | 05:10 |
| rmjb | hey, I uploaded my first package to revu, but I didn't get an email with an initial password. How long does that take? | 05:10 |
| rmjb | ah, no probs I saw how I get it | 05:13 |
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| sivang | re | 05:26 |
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| superm1 | ping dholbach | 05:59 |
| dholbach | superm1: pong | 05:59 |
| superm1 | hey dholbach, i saw that you reassigned the uvfe i filed for autoprofile to me | 06:00 |
| superm1 | should it be-reassigned to me since i can't sync it personally? | 06:00 |
| dholbach | superm1: you can take care of the next steps, ubuntu-universe-sponsors and the like | 06:01 |
| dholbach | it's not in 'motu-uvf' s hands anymore | 06:01 |
| superm1 | Ah i see. | 06:01 |
| superm1 | very well | 06:01 |
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| Jozo- | dholbach: What should I do with bug 66507 and gnunet (0.7.0e-2ubuntu2)? | 06:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66507 in gnunet "[DEBDIFF] gnunet: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66507 | 06:20 |
| dholbach | Jozo-: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html | 06:21 |
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| _MMA_ | Hello guys. How do I find out if a package already has a maintainer? ie: theres packages for Somasuite I want to get into Feisty. | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: check if it's in edgy, REVU, or Debian | 06:26 |
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| Toadstool | good morning everybody | 06:27 |
| sivang | Fesity is open already ? | 06:27 |
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| sivang | *Feisty | 06:27 |
| _MMA_ | As far as Edgy goes theres 3 of like 10 packages there. Im not sure how to check the others. | 06:27 |
| _MMA_ | sivang: Im just planning ahead. ;) | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: for REVU, revu.tauware.de | 06:29 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: for Debian, try packages.debian.org | 06:29 |
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| sivang | Burgwork: Hey corey | 06:29 |
| Burgwork | hey sivang | 06:30 |
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| _MMA_ | LaserJock: It looks like the packages Ubuntu has are the same as Debian-Unstable. And its just Somaplayer. Im trying to get the entire suite in. | 06:35 |
| superm1 | _MMA_, if thats the case, you can assemble a package for the rest of the suite and upload it to revu for the wonderful MOTU's here to look at | 06:38 |
| superm1 | once Feisty repos open up and they approve your package, it can be added to universe for feisty | 06:38 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Thank you for the info. | 06:39 |
| superm1 | _MMA_, if you haven't packaged before at all, take a look at the ubuntu packaging guide to get started, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 06:40 |
| _MMA_ | I plan on looking into that. For right Im just managing a team of people. We have someone who wants to package so Ill also send them the link. Thank you. | 06:44 |
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| poningru | where can I find the changelogs for packages? | 06:47 |
| poningru | not in my comp | 06:47 |
| poningru | but online | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | changelogs.ubuntu.com | 06:47 |
| poningru | that seems to only have stable's packages | 06:48 |
| poningru | i.e dapper | 06:48 |
| poningru | or not | 06:48 |
| poningru | nm | 06:48 |
| poningru | thanks | 06:48 |
| superm1 | on packages.ubuntu.com, you can search for edgy packages. there is a link for each source packages's changelog too | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | superm1: does that work? | 06:49 |
| lophyte | superm1: doesn't look like my myth box is coming.. been almost 2 weeks | 06:49 |
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| poningru | woot much better thanks | 06:50 |
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| superm1 | LaserJock, yea it does. | 06:58 |
| superm1 | Thats how i have grabbed source packages when i didn't have access to apt, and i've looked at changelogs there too | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | superm1: seemed like i was linking to the wrong place for a while | 06:58 |
| superm1 | lophyte, you need to find some more reliable friends :) | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | s/i/it/ | 06:58 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, very possible it is doing that for specific packages still, i've only looked a few times | 06:59 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, but it also takes some time before the updated changelogs get put there from what i've noticed | 06:59 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, example: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-0.2ubuntu2/changelog is obtained from http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/mythtv And points to the right changelog, but that didn't pop up for at least a day after the last debdiff was uploaded | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | k | 07:03 |
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| sivang | slomo_: do you happen to the package name of the real media video codec? | 07:14 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: so someone is prentending to be me again | 07:17 |
| joejaxx | i need to talk to Freenode about that | 07:17 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, are you going up to UDS? | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:19 |
| superm1 | could you possibly look over a spec i put together and attend the meeting the day its talked about? I won't be able to take off of work to make it up. https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/automatic-module-assistant | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | probably not :/ | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | I'm not going to be there the whole time | 07:21 |
| superm1 | oh | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | and there are probably better people | 07:22 |
| superm1 | well could you at least look it over and make any recommendations on it? | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | wahoo, wget +html2text = easy LP parsing | 07:22 |
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| LaserJock | lucas: you here? | 07:26 |
| lucas | yes | 07:26 |
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| LaserJock | lucas: what do you use to parse Debian and LP for bugs in MDT? | 07:28 |
| lucas | Debian: the data is available on qa.debian.org | 07:28 |
| lucas | LP: +bugs-text | 07:28 |
| lucas | (which really sucks, but there's no better solution) | 07:28 |
| slomo_ | sivang: what exactly do you mean? package name? or really codec name? | 07:32 |
| sivang | slomo_: well, package name. I was unable to find one. Do we have one at all? | 07:33 |
| slomo_ | sivang: probably in the realplayer package... no idea... just don't use it ;) | 07:33 |
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| joejaxx | LaserJock: is the firefox icon supposed to be used in Ubuntu? | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | well, that's sort of up in the air right now | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | although it looks to me like we are going to keep it | 08:11 |
| joejaxx | oh ok i was just wondering since it appeared with the dist-upgrade | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | yes, that's the way it is in Edgy | 08:11 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 08:12 |
| joejaxx | before with rc it was still the earth icon | 08:12 |
| joejaxx | which version is this then? | 08:12 |
| joejaxx | since i had to dist-upgrade from rc? | 08:12 |
| joejaxx | stable? | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | what version is what? | 08:13 |
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| joejaxx | well what developmental version of ubuntu is this dist-upgrade | 08:14 |
| joejaxx | since i had RC | 08:14 |
| _MMA_ | Laserjock: Can you tell us why Ubuntu can use it now or point me to some info? | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | and it wanted me to dist-upgrade | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: it'd edgy | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | *it's | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | ah | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | so stable :D | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | or final | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | nice | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | no | 08:15 |
| joejaxx | no? | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | it'd just edgy | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | grr, can't type s's today | 08:16 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: but i had Edgy RC before | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: you are running Edgy, right? | 08:16 |
| joejaxx | yes | 08:16 |
| zul | LaserJock: its the key by the f | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: so when you run apt-get dist-upgrade you are just updating edgy | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | zul: yeah, yeah, but "d" is so much more convenient | 08:17 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: well it was actually from the update-manager | 08:17 |
| zul | LaserJock: lol | 08:17 |
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| LaserJock | joejaxx: fine | 08:18 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: the reason i was asking | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: but as long as you don't change your sources.list you are running edgy | 08:18 |
| joejaxx | is because it told me there was a distibution upgrade normal it jut says it has found these updates | 08:18 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: ok | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: well, Edgy is basically frozen and mdz has been talking with Mozilla. You can get more info on the ubuntu-devel mailing list | 08:20 |
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| superm1 | particularly http://archives.free.net.ph/thread/20061023.181921.4ea4c7b4.en.html if anyone wanted to read what LaserJock was referring to | 08:26 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know how you can read file line by line in a shell script | 08:51 |
| Jozo- | read? | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | well, I want to loop over the lines in a file | 08:59 |
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| LaserJock | but each line has 2 columns | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | evening | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, hello! | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | so if I just do a for line in `cat $file` it splits each line up | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | hi Gloubiboulga | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, could you confirm that bug 58481 is fixed? | 09:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58481 in scilab "scilab+ubuntu dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58481 | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | ha, it's a dapper bug | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | it's not fixed in Dapper | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | but in Edgy it is | 09:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what to do about it | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | I don't think there really is anything we can do | 09:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | I've just received a mail from a scilab dev, proposing a patch (which is in edgy) | 09:01 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: prepare a dapper-updates | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: it's a major new upstream version change | 09:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | can't we backport scilab 4.0 in dapper? | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | morning all | 09:02 |
| Burgwork | Gloubiboulga: backports are not enabled by default | 09:02 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: but there must be a smaller patch | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: did the dev propose a patch for the Dapper version? | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: probably but I doubt I have time to hunt it down | 09:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, no, it's the patch comming from debian, ie removing the gtk support | 09:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | in 4.0 | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | ugg | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | I hate doing stable release updates | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | especially since Dapper is a mess | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: do you think you can track down a specific patch to fix this? | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | either by asking Debian or the scilab devs? | 09:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, it's a GTK bug | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | so we have to get rid of GTK? | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | or can be just apply a patch? | 09:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | or we can fix it :) | 09:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | well, the scilab dev told me that the gtk version is not supported | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | well, whatever works :-) | 09:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | so they won't work on it, and I'm not sure I'll be able to fix the bug | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah, nothing like having some of the most popular math/science software completely broken | 09:07 |
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| LaserJock | I really wish they hadn't called Dapper an LTS release | 09:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | a rebuild without the gtk support for dapper-updates is certainly the easiest solution IMO | 09:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, if scilab is broken, an update is not a big risk :) | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | yes, but it still has to go through all the processes | 09:11 |
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| LaserJock | we've been working on gcl/maxima for weeks now | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | the amount of "completely broken" apps keeps getting bigger | 09:11 |
| Gloubiboulga | right | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | anyway, if a rebuild without gtk works then I say we do a SRU | 09:14 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 09:16 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, I'm answering to the Scilab dev, I can CC you maybe? | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | sure | 09:17 |
| giskard | hi LaserJock :) | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | hello | 09:18 |
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| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, I'll try the new build tomorrow, it's time to go to bed for me | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | good night | 09:27 |
| Gloubiboulga | thanks | 09:28 |
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| Cale | Does anyone know anything about the status of a GHC 6.6 package for ubuntu? | 09:34 |
| Cale | slomo_: perhaps you'd know? | 09:35 |
| Nafallo | Cale: you probably ment sistpoty rather than slomo | 09:36 |
| Cale | Nafallo: yeah, slomo_ is also mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/UncommonProgrammingLanguages/Haskell | 09:36 |
| slomo_ | Cale: better ask sistpoty but he's not online right now... i didn't look at GHC for a long time now | 09:37 |
| slomo_ | Cale: why do you ask? | 09:37 |
| Cale | Because I'd like to run it :) | 09:37 |
| Cale | 6.6 incorporates a bunch of new libraries and language features. | 09:37 |
| slomo_ | well... we have ghc 6.4 and it works ;) | 09:38 |
| Cale | yeah, I know :) | 09:38 |
| slomo_ | and we'll get 6.6 with feisty as debian already has it anyway | 09:38 |
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| giskard | hello slomo_ | 09:47 |
| slomo_ | hi giskard :) | 09:47 |
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| giskard | hello bddebian | 09:55 |
| bddebian | Hello giskard | 09:55 |
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| LaserJock | hmm | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | scilab can't find Xaw3d | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | but it's got the build-dep | 10:30 |
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| pirast | night | 11:10 |
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| cbx33 | good evenin fellow MOTUs | 11:55 |
| lupine_85 | howdy | 11:57 |
| lupine_85 | btw, I got an emai from ubuntu about a package that I added to universe... apparently it's failing to build on the build machines. anything I can do? | 11:57 |
| lupine_85 | It *did* build in pbuilder, on mine and (presumably) my advocates' machines, | 11:58 |
| lupine_85 | (the package is rutilt) | 11:58 |
| lupine_85 | !rutilt | 11:58 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about rutilt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 11:58 |
| lupine_85 | gah | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | lupine_85: can you rebuild with an updated pbuilder? | 11:58 |
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| lupine_85 | I can try | 11:59 |
| cbx33 | could be a depdency has changed since? | 11:59 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, hmm... ;) | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | you could look at the build logs & see what caused it to fail | 11:59 |
| lupine_85 | it's the kernel headers that do it :( | 11:59 |
| lupine_85 | I think you were one of my advocates | 11:59 |
| lupine_85 | http://librarian.launchpad.net/4923206/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.rutilt_0.12-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | ah yes, the difference in behaviour between pbuilder & sbuild on buildds | 12:00 |
| lupine_85 | is it something I can fix? | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | that's not the failure | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | /usr/bin/make clean | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | make[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/rutilt-0.12' | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | Makefile:34: Makefile_cst: No such file or directory | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | make[1] : *** No rule to make target `Makefile_cst'. Stop. | 12:01 |
| lupine_85 | that error gets ignored though? | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | the makefile problem is where it fails | 12:01 |
| lupine_85 | hmm... makefile_cst gets generated by the config script | 12:02 |
| lupine_85 | it's not in the original tarball, and packaging rules forbid that I add it... | 12:03 |
| lupine_85 | no, that's a red herring | 12:06 |
| lupine_85 | the problem is when it can't find /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) | 12:06 |
| lupine_85 | or when they are mismatched against the current kernel | 12:06 |
| lupine_85 | hmm... changing to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build *might* fix it | 12:07 |
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| lupine_85 | yes... the build machine is running kernel 2.6.15.7 but the headers installed were 2.6.17-10-server-bigiron | 12:09 |
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