=== doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-069-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astinus [n=aeode@gentoo/developer/astinus] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] j #gentoo-security,#gentoo-infra [12:35] Erk === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] after creating my gpg key, I got similar output as the tutorial online at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto, but I am still a bit confused about the output and which information I need to save. Is my private key stored somewhere where I can retrieve it? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] morning all [12:44] hi Hobbsee :-) [12:53] morning Hobbsee [12:53] LP notifies on build failures now, does it? [12:53] you're up early ;) [12:53] Fujitsu: as is evident by emails you may receive [12:53] I'm wondering why I got emails about builds that failed... about 2 months ago? Or has is decided to try to rebuild them? [12:54] ajmitch: i'm at uni on time :P [12:54] mass give-back [12:54] Hobbsee: worrying === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] ajmitch: indeed. [12:54] Aha, thanks. [12:54] Fujitsu: how's gcl/maxima [12:55] LaserJock, dholbach says he'll look at the Dapper fix once Edgy is released. [12:55] In general though, I don't know. === Fujitsu looks. [12:55] Fujitsu: grrr [12:56] So we're stuck with `It doesn't work! Fix it now! This isn't good enough for a LTS release!' from all our loyal users. [12:57] hmm, well this is a bit silly [12:57] It is a fairly nasty breakage in what could be a very important package to a lot of people, so it's understandable they're rather irritated. [12:58] I don't see why we need to wait 2-3 weeks for this [12:58] but whatever :-) [12:59] well, sound will be broken for a huge number of people when Edgy releases. I'm not happy either, but if the release manager says it goes, then it goes. [01:00] crimsun, what's wrong with it? [01:00] half the HDA codecs are missing vital patches that weren't available til October [01:00] that's unfortunate [01:00] Fun. [01:00] I saw a patch by you a while ago which fixes my microphone, I believe. [01:01] (STAC92xx) [01:01] I'm having lots of fun supporting two releases simultaneously, and when Edgy+1 opens, three! [01:01] Isn't sound, you know... Fairly important? [01:01] Yes, fun fun fun. [01:02] well, to many people, yes, quite critical. In the grand scheme of whether the machine boots, however, it's rather tertiary. [01:03] well, I would hope at this stage in the game we are past the "Does it boot or not?" question, but yeah [01:03] I'm amazed at how fragile Ubuntu is at times [01:03] LaserJock: not necessarily [01:03] just spend 5 minutes in the forums & you'll see [01:04] ajmitch, nooooo. [01:04] many of the problems are with newer hardware, and that's always an issue. [01:04] chucking new kernels into the repo right up until release just to support newer hardware is madness === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] I agree [01:05] crimsun: isn't the sound problem mainly newer hardware? [01:05] yep, HDA nearly exclusively [01:05] at least I haven't spotted issues with the hda codec with my laptop [01:05] mostly Realtek and Sigmatel HDA codecs === ajmitch checks his laptop [01:07] some realtek, I can't recall which now [01:07] My Inspiron 630m (almost a year old now) still has no working microphone, so it's not just /new/ hardware. [01:08] Codec: Realtek ALC260 [01:08] Fujitsu: Aye, but I'd argue that in the grand scheme of things it goes; Does the system boot? --> Can it be used day-to-day (Xorg, etc)? --> Does little things work (sound)? --> Does even littler things work (microphones)? [01:08] aha [01:08] works nicely thanks to crimsun :) [01:08] Fujitsu: it's new in terms of support. [01:08] $ grep -nH 630 * [01:08] patch_sigmatel.c:595: .config = STAC_REF }, /* Dell Inspiron 630m */ [01:08] astinus, true. [01:08] crimsun, :O [01:08] Fujitsu: Very little consolation, I agree, but there's only so many hours in the day :P [01:09] astinus, but I saw the patch to fix the microphone on the kernel-team mailing list a couple of weeks back... So close. [01:10] kernel has to freeze earlier for good reasons [01:10] At least, I presume it was the right patch. Almost identical hardware, same symptoms. [01:10] Fujitsu: Awesome :) I'm very thankful, my laptop with Intel HDA seems to 'just work' and its brand new... I've got a Samsung Q35 with a Core Duo 1.83GHz... [01:11] (Interestingly enough I always hit issues with new laptop + Gentoo, but no issues with same laptop + Ubuntu *grin* Lord knows why that might be....) === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp5-102.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp5-102.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] where can I post problems I have when I build spe.deb using the script at the bottom of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb === fatsheep [n=ubuntu@74.130.193.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] that's funny... [02:36] I'm getting support request by email from people I don [02:36] !seen superm1 [02:36] don't know* [02:36] I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 2d 2h 18m 26s ago, quiting: "Quitting, send all complaints > /dev/null" [02:39] theCore: that happens all the time [02:40] zul, how should I handle them? [02:41] theCore: what i do is if they are bug reports ask them to open up in launchpad, if they are support answer them back :) [02:43] I wonder how they got my email... [02:45] oh, I get it they found my Jabber account, which uses the same address === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] I wonder if they send their email to many peoples. A bit like spammers, but instead of your money, they want support === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fatsheep [n=ubuntu@74.130.193.56] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iGirl [n=reda@adsl196-188-71-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion201@cpe-70-114-30-76.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion201@cpe-70-114-30-76.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === orion2012 [n=orion201@cpe-70-114-30-76.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable128.255-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon16948.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-083-102-068-117.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === doomsday- [n=doomsday@home.cameuh.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] hi, I have a question [04:32] Hi rmjb. [04:32] why do I get an error if I apt-get source a package then sudo pbuilder build it [04:33] shouldn't source packages from the repos build without a problem? [04:33] hi Fujitsu [04:33] rmjb, not always. Some of them break when we get newer versions of other packages, for example. [04:33] Which package in particular? [04:33] dmraid [04:34] That hasn't been built on Edgy before, so it is quite possible for it to be broken. [04:34] I'm actually trying to fix/upgrade it as my first package [04:35] but it's is giving me some problems [04:35] this is one for example: [04:35] dh_installdocs 1.0.0.rc13/{CREDITS,KNOWN_BUGS,README,TODO} [04:35] cp: cannot stat `1.0.0.rc13/{CREDITS,KNOWN_BUGS,README,TODO}': No such file or directory [04:35] OK, I'm building it here at the moment to see what its issues are... [04:35] Aha! [04:35] A bashism. [04:35] dh_installdocs was upgraded since dapper? [04:35] In Edgy, we've changed over to using dash, rather than bash, as the default shell. [04:36] oh... so that's why [04:36] need to do this the long way then [04:36] The {whatever,whatever2} etc. stuff is specifically for bash, doesn't work in dash. [04:36] thanks Fujitsu! [04:36] Yes, you'll have to do it manually. [04:36] been trying to figure why it doesn't work since yesterday [04:36] No problem. [04:37] btw, how'd you know it wasn't built on edgy yet? [04:38] /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-import.pl [04:38] Oops. [04:38] Stupid thing didn't copy... [04:38] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid [04:38] If you look there, you'll see that the version in Edgy is the same as in Dapper, so the binaries were migrated over. [04:38] okay I see [04:40] Indeed, once that bashism is fixed, the package builds. [04:41] yeah, I got another error when I did an upgrade though [04:41] Installing dmraid.8 in /usr/share/man/man8 [04:41] /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/man/man8/dmraid.8' [04:41] I don't know how that passes in the current version because I copied the same rules file over [04:42] Copy the entire debian/ over, there's other stuff there that is important.... [04:42] Specifically, the dirs file. [04:42] yeah that's what I did [04:42] Hrm, there isn't one in this case. [04:43] Is that when building the package? [04:44] yes, the new upstream version, with the contents of the current version's debian directory [04:49] (currently building the new version to see what I can get out of it) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] one thing that's needed in the upgrade is changing the starting position of dmraid in rcS from S03 to S11 [04:57] I've done that in the rule, but update-rc.d does not reposition the script if it's there already [04:57] is there a standard procedure to do this? [04:57] s/rule/rules === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] Afternoon, LaserJock. [05:10] hi Fujitsu [05:10] hey LaserJock [05:10] hi rmjb, sorry I haven't replied yet [05:10] hello all [05:11] np LaserJock [05:11] Hi imbrandon. [05:11] hey imbrandon === Fujitsu runs off to find some lunch. [05:11] (I've been using KDE for almost 24 hours now, and I think I've eliminated the `ARGH! It's burning my eyes out!' sensation) [05:12] kubuntu konvert? [05:12] Not really, just having a look at the `other side'. [05:12] Fujitsu, hehe [05:12] It is a bit blindingly bright to start with. [05:12] Fujitsu, thats how it all starts ;) [05:12] rmjb: with respect to your question, if there is a binary package in the archive it just means it built at some time === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] rmjb: sometimes dependencies have changes since the package was last built [05:14] cool, Fujitsu ironed it out, he said the build error I was seeing was a bashism, since edgy symlinks /bin/sh to dash instead [05:14] ah yeah [05:21] fun [05:22] any tips on moving the position on a start script? I have to move dmraid to after udev (which is at S03) [05:22] can I call update-rc.d within the rules? [05:22] directly I mean, instead of through dh_installinit [05:22] s/on/of === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] or convert it to an upstart job ;) [05:26] I'm game for that, did Scott do a howto or guide on that? [05:27] no idea, i havent tried it yet, but upstart.ubuntu.com would be a good place to start [05:27] cool, thanks imbrandon [05:27] i dont even know if its at a stage thats viable yet, but its a thought === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] ohhh, nifty Debconf6 DVDs [05:48] I must really be a geek when they only thing I burn to DVD is Debconf videos [05:49] heh [05:50] hehe === Hobbsee steals all the 'h' and 'e' 's and runs away with them === Fujitsu calls the police. [05:53] o dar === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] obbs as stoln my kys [05:53] lol [05:53] going to test my new (and first) dmraid package [05:53] Amaranth: what's with the mass reversions on the BerylOnEdgy page? [05:53] oh wow i dident know you could get debconf video downloads [05:54] ajmitch: *hides* [05:54] ajmitch: :D [05:54] ajmitch: Some stupidity with a guy from the forums. [05:54] Amaranth: a little disagreement? :) [05:54] theres a wiki for it? seems simple, enable composite in xorg.conf , start beryl [05:54] done ;) [05:55] imbrandon: plus install the various crackful packages [05:55] ajmitch, hehe i just made my own with tonio [05:55] imbrandon: It guides you through installing drivers, turning things on in xorg.conf, adding beryl repos, installing it, and adding it to startup scripts. [05:55] imbrandon: beryl packages? [05:55] ajmitch, yea [05:56] they probably follow policy far far better than the current ones do then [05:56] ajmitch: He wanted to have it include instructions for manually installing nvidia drivers from the original .run file, I said that was wrong because it breaks too easily. [05:56] The current ones are a mess. [05:56] install 2 packages , enable composite in xorg.conf and start beryl , seems simple, no need for other steps [05:56] I've been meaning to sit down and make them not suck. [05:56] Amaranth: yes, DBO wanted me to look over them, then gave up on me when I couldn't do it quickly enough [05:57] imbrandon: There are some tweaks and such. [05:57] imbrandon: Just check it out: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BerylOnEdgy [05:57] ajmitch, want the source for the packages me and tonio did/use ? === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon16948.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] imbrandon: I don't have time to care about it at the moment [05:58] ;) [05:58] I'm sure that sabdfl will have someone on it asap :P [05:58] IT WORKED! yay! [05:59] hmm, maybe I can get AIGLX working on this laptop [05:59] ajmitch, yea thats the main reason we did it was for edgy+1 ( had no idea about the crack on the forums ) [05:59] LaserJock, do you have X working in edgy ? [05:59] for some reason all the computers I work on have ATI graphics :( [05:59] imbrandon: I worry about the push for it to be the default WM [05:59] imbrandon: sure, but my problem as been ATI [06:00] ajmitch, that would suck as its slow as piss, i have it installed but only start it to "show off" [06:00] LaserJock, if you have X in edgy working you have aiglx working [06:00] its built in [06:00] well, but the ability to *use* it I mean [06:00] :-) [06:01] imbrandon: if I'm brave enough to install the beta nvidia drivers I *may* consider trying it [06:01] LaserJock, sure, just make sure you have 3d rendering enabled and add ... [06:01] Section "Extensions" [06:01] Option "Composite" "Enable" [06:01] EndSection [06:01] to xorg.conf, all done [06:01] imbrandon: but does it work with fglrx drivers? [06:02] LaserJock: No, you need XGL for that [06:02] It's super easy for Intel users though, like imbrandon said. [06:02] although apparently you also want Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" in Device [06:02] I dunno, I only wrote the nvidia section of that guide [06:02] I should try beryl on the laptop I guess :) [06:02] with aiglx it should be the same for all cards [06:02] I'd try it on my nvidia box but it's got dapper [06:02] since it has an i915 chip [06:03] ajmitch, with intell just do what i said [06:03] imbrandon: I heard it doesn't work for fglrx drivers [06:03] its super easy [06:03] ajmitch: Compiz runs OK, but it can be a little laggy at times with an i915. [06:03] imbrandon: I've run it before, thanks [06:03] (haven't tried Beryl) [06:03] LaserJock, it does on my laptop with the "ati" drivers ( non binary ) [06:03] fglrx in Edgy at the moment is stuffed, anyway. [06:03] heh === Amaranth hates /etc/rcS.d/S40networking [06:04] imbrandon: right, but so far I haven't had any luck with the nonbinary drivers [06:04] What's wrong with it, Amaranth? [06:04] I'm wireless only, no need to try to get a DHCP lease on every device with a massive timeout :P [06:04] LaserJock, why ? X wont start ? [06:04] imbrandon: I have unsupported cards [06:04] I had like 1:48 boot time before I removed that, 0:35 boot time after. [06:05] Amaranth, just edit your /etc/networking/interfaces then and comment out the rest === ajmitch wonders how chipsets like the i915 get on with regards to texture memory allocation [06:05] wow that's what changed from dapper to edgy [06:05] i was wondering about that [06:05] no its the same here on dapper and edgy [06:05] dunno what your thinking [06:06] In dapper I just had lo in there [06:06] back in a few min [06:06] And I don't remember modifying it, I would have remember the long boot times. [06:06] somthing was stuffed up then [06:06] It was good though, I use NetworkManager to handle my wireless. :) [06:07] well if network manager actualy worked i might think about using it [06:07] Oh well, I'm just happy to see a 0:35 boot time. :D [06:08] oh cool, I am using "ati" on this lappy [06:08] ;) === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon15126.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schultmc [i=schultmc@nat/progeny/x-f9924b64e2a5a0c7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb_ is now known as rmjb [06:17] brb, gonna see if this works :-) === Fujitsu wonders if his LUKS-encrypted /home on LVM with USB key setup will actually work. [06:20] Fujitsu, hehe === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] hmm, interesting [06:21] haha, jiggly windows [06:21] Heheh, yeah. [06:22] the cube is all right, doesn't seem as smooth as mine on OS X [06:23] but still pretty cool === ajmitch returns [06:24] Alt-Tab is pretty nifty [06:24] I guess :) [06:25] LaserJock, got it working ?> [06:25] hehe [06:25] Brb, testing encryption magic. [06:25] imbrandon: yeah [06:25] imbrandon: how up-to-date are your beryl packages? [06:26] ajmitch, about 1 week old [06:26] or so [06:26] 0.1.1? [06:26] should be , let me check to make absolute sure [06:26] how do you get it to do the expose type thing [06:27] ajmitch, no 1.0 shouldent be a big deal to update them though [06:27] LaserJock: It was originally F12, not sure what it is nowadays. [06:27] 0.1.0* [06:28] imbrandon: maybe if the packages are better you should change the BerylOnEdgy page to point to them ;) [06:28] making sure that you don't annoy Amaranth too much :) [06:28] yea i was thinking the same thing [06:28] ajmitch: haha [06:29] imbrandon: If you get some decent 0.1.1 packages in a repo somewhere I'd be more then happy to tell users to use them. [06:29] imbrandon: You might want to join #beryl-dev and poke someone though. [06:29] imbrandon: I'd be more willing to trust your packages, to be honest [06:29] Amaranth, yea i'll update them from 0.1 to 0.1.1 tonight [06:30] not meaning to insult those in the community who have gone to the effort of packaging [06:30] but last I looked, they were crap :) === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] ajmitch: I think they were made my someone in the debian mentors program thing === MrMoo [n=steve-o@202.64.41.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] err, by [06:30] Amaranth: figures [06:30] heh, one sec i'ma grab a soda and lok at it now, doing nothing atm anyhow [06:30] I love how someone posted a link to his own Flash 9 debs in a flashplugin-nonfree bug report [06:30] that's no guarantee of quality [06:31] crimsun: it hurts [06:31] crimsun: I know, it's really great. [06:31] crimsun, ouch [06:31] ajmitch: No, that makes me even more worried about their quality. [06:31] crimsun: I frequently get to deal with backported/new crack for mono [06:31] Here are my debs. They're your problem now. [06:31] LOL [06:31] Amaranth: I tried to convince DBO to talk to the compiz maintainer for debian, but he didn't see the point [06:32] Uh oh, we're going to get flamed again. :P [06:32] Amaranth: why? :) [06:32] "Ubuntu doesn't share the bling!" [06:32] haha [06:32] "Hey man, quit bogarting the pipe", etc etc etc [06:33] Erm, I take it beryl isn't working great :P [06:33] Fujitsu: It has some serious design issues as admitted by the developers but apparently their emerald theme manager can now pull themes from SVN in the latest version.... [06:34] Fujitsu: it is wonderful! do not question the Glorious Revolution! [06:34] Amaranth: is there an ITP filed for beryl in debian yet? [06:34] ajmitch: I believe so. [06:34] right [06:34] then we won't bother pushing imbrandon's packages to debian then === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] I say someone needs to bonk the beryl and compiz developers over the head a couple times and get them to just start over. === Fujitsu runs off for real now... Hopefully dm-crypt won't explode in a giant fireball. [06:35] Amaranth: oh, I see it - done by the guy who has the *wonderful* packaging in svn [06:35] ajmitch: yeah, the guy in the mentors program [06:36] the mentors program really is a loose term [06:36] MyFirstPackage and all that [06:36] it's a mailing list & irc channel [06:36] i'm in the mentors program, that means nothing other than they signed up for a "sponsor" [06:36] I dunno, he keeps talking about Debian Mentors. :P [06:36] usually no structured mentoring at all [06:36] exactly [06:36] Amaranth: yes, I heard that he's all official & all, whatever that may mean === ajmitch looks for the current svn url [06:37] coincidentally, I asked LaserJock to mentor me yesterday for MOTU [06:38] svn co http://svn.beryl-project.org/trunk beryl [06:38] yeah [06:38] my copy has URL: svn://metascape.afraid.org/svnroot/beryl [06:38] and I can't just do svn switch --relocate [06:38] yeah, you wanna know something really....odd...about that setup? [06:38] go ahead & scare me === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] here is what i have at the moment , i'm updating them now to 0.1.1 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27934/ [06:38] the metascape one is apparently the main SVN and the one on beryl-project.org is a mirror [06:39] the metascape one runs on Quinn_Storm's personal desktop [06:39] Amaranth: so why can't I do svn up now? :) [06:39] I see.. [06:39] so if it's a mirror, why do they have different UUIDs? [06:39] I have no idea. === ajmitch cries [06:39] get them to use bzr [06:39] But they keep saying beryl-project.org's is a read-only mirror and that's not chaning. [06:39] Hehe. [06:39] then they can fork to their heart's content === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.42.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] They're coming to Mountain View, persuade them. :) [06:40] ajmitch / Amaranth are there any more packages on BerylOnEdgy than what i have http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27934/ [06:40] mm montain view, if only it wasnt on the other side of the world [06:40] yay, a paid trip for bling in feisty [06:40] LCA is expensive enough on the other side of the country :) [06:41] oh wow beryl-project.org has a website now [06:41] imbrandon: there's other crack [06:41] it used to be just forums [06:41] imbrandon: They have a 'beryl' metapackage and split beryl-plugins into beryl-plugins and beryl-plugins-data (something about a lintian warning about a large /usr/share) [06:42] and beryl-dbus, dunno what that is [06:42] imbrandon: there's also updated nvidia beta drivers from Amaranth (probably dodgy as hell :) ) [06:42] and some libxorg-sched-yield-hack0 thing that worries me [06:42] I've recently been told that does more harm then good. [06:42] that doesn't surprise me, given what it does [06:42] It's only for nvidia while using AIGLX (which no sane person would do if they care about performance) [06:43] nvidia+aiglx is stupid [06:43] beryl seems to be *really* unstable [06:43] compiz seemed to just break but it never crashed [06:43] Lathiat: but it's great! beryl-by-default for feisty! [06:43] ajmitch: It's not needed, nvidia provides the needed extension without aiglx [06:43] Amaranth: I know [06:43] yeah [06:43] Amaranth: but too many users don't [06:43] ajmitch: woo yeh! [06:43] do you need to shut off the aiglx specifically if you're using the nvidia beta drivers? or does it just skip all that? [06:43] I've been meaning to remove that from the guide [06:43] hey whiprush! [06:43] hi ajmitch! [06:43] whiprush: Nope, it's off by default. [06:44] ajmitch: found a hotel [06:44] Amaranth: I thought it was turned on by default for awhile, at least [06:44] whiprush: sweeet [06:44] where is it? [06:44] heya whiprush [06:44] about 5 minutes from the googleplex [06:44] right off the interstate [06:44] whiprush: I'm on the same flight as mpt & infinity, as you may have seen [06:44] I will send you the info when I confirm [06:44] great :) [06:44] ajmitch: excellent. [06:45] on the 4th? [06:45] so at least I'll have someone to talk to in the airport [06:45] yeah [06:45] we're all flying to auckland from different places before going on NZ8 to SFO [06:45] nice === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-197-169.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] Oh, another really scary thing. People in #beryl-dev keep asking me for advice because they say I have "project management experience". ;) === imbrandon doubt anyone will be on the same flight as him [06:46] Amaranth, hahaha [06:47] Amaranth: lucky you === Amaranth has only run one project [06:47] And I'm the only developer of that project. [06:48] I've only run one project, and noone uses that code yet! [06:49] What is that? [06:49] how long after I dput something will it show up on REVU? [06:49] ~5 min [06:49] cool [06:51] It got rejected... I'm supposed to ask you guys to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? [06:52] rmjb: if you're in the group on launchpad [06:52] yep [06:52] I added myself earlier today... or yesterday in my case [06:53] syncing [06:54] ok, back to the land of reality [06:54] that AIGLX+beryl stuff reminded me of Alice in Wonderland [06:55] hah [06:55] lol [06:55] Heh [06:56] Once you set some same values for things it's pretty nice. [06:56] The default are utter crack though. [06:56] the defaults are for maximum bling effect [06:57] I'd rather have as little wobble as possible [06:57] & I don't really need cube spinning, raindrops on my desk, etc [06:58] so after I upload something to REVU and you guys critique it and I fix and so on, is there any formal testing? [06:58] just by the MOTU === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59]