[04:07] <lguerra> Riched: ping
[04:16] <neurogeek> !seen mhz
[04:16] <ubotu> I haven't seen mhz recently
[04:17] <jsgotangco> lguerra: he's most likely asleep at this time
[04:19] <lguerra> jsgotangco: tks
[04:20] <lguerra> neurogeek: What you need mhz? I tomorrow speak with him, desire that tell him something?  
[04:21] <neurogeek> lguerra, oh thanks.. please tell him that i've been madly looking for him.. i need to speak with him 
[04:22] <lguerra> neurogeek: ok.
[05:14] <lguerra> highvoltage, Who can collaborate me to change the wikiname in the wiki official?  
[05:21] <lguerra> neurogeek: ping
[05:29] <neurogeek> lguerra, hello
[06:05] <stelis> nixternal: I've finished this section: http://www.elsn.org/downloads/edubuntu/drafts/p4-docandsup.xml
[07:01] <keltorsori> anybody here have experience with ppc clients?
[07:02] <keltorsori> good evening
[07:02] <keltorsori> anyone have any experience with ppc clients?
[07:03] <keltorsori> i've got a bead on a lab full of imacs and want to use them as ltsp clients. i assume i need to build a new chroot with ppc?
[08:02] <highvoltage> morning edubuntuland
[10:08] <RichEd> hey jono
[10:08] <RichEd> Editing your LoCo page at the moment.
[10:08] <jono> hey
[10:08] <jono> cool :)
[10:18] <jsgotangco> heya
[10:18] <willvdl> jsgotangco, hey
[10:23] <willvdl> http://www.innovateonline.info/ OSS features for OCt/Nov
[10:24] <jsgotangco> OHHHHHHHH
[10:24] <jsgotangco> this is nice!
[10:36] <jsgotangco> willvdl: i should subscribe here
[10:36] <willvdl> it is very nice 
[10:37] <willvdl> How many folk in the UK are familiar with http://www.intute.ac.uk/ ?
[10:38] <stelis> I haven't heard of them
[10:38] <stelis> I know of OSS Watch
[10:38] <stelis> Fundined by JISC
[10:38] <stelis> But that's never really caught fire
[10:39] <stelis> Oh, right
[10:40] <stelis> This is for general Web resources
[10:40] <stelis> Like a kind of DMOZ for academia
[10:44] <willvdl> yip. will have to go through it.
[10:45] <willvdl> stelis, familiar with EDNA?
[10:45] <stelis> My first thought was that search engine integration for this would rock
[10:45] <stelis> willvdl: No, fraid not
[10:46] <willvdl> Aussie edu network. Apparantly it is the bomb, from content to libraries to resources to management to authoring...
[10:46] <stelis> Is this material available to poms?
[10:49] <willvdl> don't know really.
[10:50] <willvdl> might not be relevant 
[10:50] <willvdl> but the portal/structure/methadology is very very interesting
[10:52] <jsgotangco> these links are nice
[10:53] <stelis> Yep
[10:57] <stelis> Got to run...train to catch
[10:57] <stelis> Bye all
[11:13] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know who's working on the release announcement?
[11:14] <RichEd> highvoltage: I think silbs is putting together an Ubuntu and Edubuntu and Kubuntu general release
[11:16] <highvoltage> ok
[12:45] <ogra> RichEd, are you sure ? 
[12:45] <jsgotangco> hey
[12:45] <ogra> yo
[12:46] <ogra> * Languages: zh es bn hi ar xh pt ru ja de 
[12:46] <ogra> ;)
[12:46] <RichEd> ogra: I will confirm with her now, but she asked me / you for 3 top features for Edubuntu 6.06 yesterday
[12:46] <ogra> pitti just added a ton of langpacks to the CDs :)
[12:46] <ogra> RichEd, i know, but i thought for final we'd have separate notes 
[12:46] <jsgotangco> ogra: we seem to have space lately
[12:46] <ogra> yeah
[12:46] <ogra> ~15M on i386 
[12:47] <RichEd> ogra: sorry please expand on that comment ^^ ?
[12:47] <jsgotangco> I was surprised to see the build w/o langpacks at 650+MB
[12:47] <ogra> RichEd, i thought we'd do combined notes for the milestone releases, but for the final one we'd have separate release notes
[12:51] <jsgotangco> Wow edubuntu rel notes would be way different because of ltsp
[12:51] <ogra> well
[12:51] <ogra> ubuntu release notes will have a lot about ltsp already i guess
[12:52] <jsgotangco> Ahhh
[12:52] <ogra> so we can only put up the integration bit here
[01:02] <RichEd> ogra: I am asking Silbs who is coordinating Edgy press releases, and then will find out (1) what is already planned and (2) ask for advance copies. We can then discuss what gaps need to be addressed. 
[01:02] <ogra> oki
[01:02] <RichEd> ogra: We can plan a full detailed release for our mail lists, and then use that info in different formats for other outlets.
[01:03] <ogra> no, lets have something thats consistent, lets not do douplicated work
[01:03] <ogra> *duplicated
[01:04] <ogra> if we have a combined announcement, lets just point to it on our lists ... else lets make sure it also goes there and not only to the announce list
[01:05] <jsgotangco> So the relnotes/announce are now done at the office?
[01:06] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I am confirming ...
[01:07] <jsgotangco> Much less work heh
[01:07] <ogra> well ....
[01:08] <ogra> also much less info about what we improved in a combined announcement ... (do dont have as much space)
[01:08] <jsgotangco> yeah...its not like most people know the innards
[01:08] <ogra> s/do/you/
[03:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:50] <highvoltage> howdy bddebian!
[03:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:51] <highvoltage> good afternoon sbalneav 
[03:51] <sbalneav> Hey highvoltage!
[03:52] <highvoltage> sbalneav: have you ever seen a udev error message on the clients while booting?
[03:52] <highvoltage> I came across that error during testing the past weekend, but it doesn't seem like anyone else have seen it before.
[03:53] <highvoltage> I'm hoping that it was just a unique glitch
[03:53] <sbalneav> What was the error?
[03:54] <bddebian> Hello highvoltage, sbalneav
[03:55] <sbalneav> Hello bddebian
[03:55] <highvoltage> sbalneav: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/67383
[04:03] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20061024.3/ <-- if thats not broken it will be the release :)
[04:03] <highvoltage> :-D
[04:04] <highvoltage> ogra: this isn't a problem in edgy anyore, righ? so it can be resolved?
[04:04] <highvoltage> ogra: this isn't a problem in edgy anyore, righ? so it can be resolvedhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47304
[04:05] <highvoltage> lag--
[04:06] <ogra> yeah, its sdolved, even thin clients should have the right cursor after boot now
[04:11] <highvoltage> ogra: the education icon that was missing, could that be solved in time?
[04:13] <ogra> nope
[04:13] <ogra> but in an upgrade
[04:14] <highvoltage> ok
[04:27] <sbalneav> rsyncer.sh for the win!
[04:27] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I believe the correct term these days is ftw
[04:38] <juliux> highvoltage, ping
[04:38] <RichEd> hey juliux, sbalneav 
[04:39] <juliux> hi RichEd 
[04:39] <juliux> so my edgy update is finished without a problem
[04:52] <highvoltage> juliux: pong
[04:52] <juliux> highvoltage, you said a long time ago that i should create/install something on my server for edubuntugirl but i forgot it
[04:54] <highvoltage> juliux: this is a strange co-incidence, I was just busy installing edubuntu girl stuff right now on another server
[04:54] <highvoltage> juliux: we'll have her back shortly :)
[04:54] <juliux> highvoltage, ah ok
[04:55] <juliux> highvoltage,  i saw your account today on my server and i was wondering because you loged in only one time;)
[04:56] <highvoltage> juliux: really? i remember loggin g in more.
[04:56] <juliux> highvoltage, ok one or two times
[04:56] <juliux> highvoltage, i have the rest of the logs on an other computer;)
[04:57] <highvoltage> 9two might be right. I couldn't do much without those modules :/
[04:58] <highvoltage> lag--
[05:16] <nixternal> hey, where are all of the Edubuntu docs stored and worked on?  not talking about the handbook, but rather the About Edubuntu, Release Notes, Desktop Guides, and the Browser Start Page?
[05:23] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[06:04] <cbx33> nixternal, are they not i nthe doc repo?
[06:04] <nixternal> not that i can tell, i went ahead and grabbed the source, edited the file, added info to the changelog, and then created a debdiff, attached it to a bug i just filed
[06:07] <nixternal> ogra_ or anyone who can fix it ->  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/68002
[06:09] <cbx33> ogra did you get my updated usplash
[06:09] <ogra> yes, its in
[06:09] <cbx33> ;)
[06:09] <ogra> nixternal: sorry, my gaim crashed ... what was the bug number ?
[06:10] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/68002
[06:11] <ogra> oh, thats fixed long ago ... some time before RC
[06:11] <nixternal> i also noticed the edubuntu-artwork package is using Standards-Version: 3.6.7 instead of 3.7.2..i didn't build with the new standards, as I figured I would leave that up to the professionals
[06:12] <nixternal> well, the title is still wrong, even in the source i downloaded today
[06:12] <ogra> hmpf
[06:12] <nixternal> heh
[06:12] <ogra> we cant rebuild the CDs anymore 
[06:12] <cbx33> Confirmed
[06:12] <ogra> unless there is a heavy blocker
[06:13] <cbx33> so this is it?
[06:13] <cbx33> did we get everything done?
[06:13] <ogra> and your dendiff only contains a changelog entry
[06:13] <cbx33> that's what I thought too
[06:13] <ogra> *debdiff
[06:13] <nixternal> mine shows the edits
[06:14] <ogra> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4932716/edubuntu-artwork.debdiff
[06:14] <cbx33> nixternal, check the LP page one
[06:14] <nixternal> ya, that isn't even close to being the same
[06:14] <nixternal> lp did that
[06:16] <nixternal> i know why..i didn't select "patch"
[06:17] <nixternal> now check it out
[06:17] <cbx33> that's better
[06:17] <nixternal> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4932736/edubuntu-artwork.debdiff
[06:17] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <ogra> right :)
[06:18] <cbx33> nixternal, did we sort out about the images in the handbook repo?
[06:18] <ogra> if we have to rebuild the CDs for some reason i'll try to get it in, else it will have to wait for -updates
[06:18] <nixternal> kind of funny how it was being rendered as a webpage just by not selecting patch..that was cool
[06:18] <cbx33> haha
[06:18] <cbx33> ogra, how is the mood now?
[06:18] <cbx33> I mean ubuntu wise
[06:18] <cbx33> gearing down a little?
[06:19] <nixternal> scpdisconnect.jpg  scpexec.jpg  scpkill.jpg  scpmain.jpg  scpmess.jpg  scpprocs.jpg
[06:19] <nixternal> those are the images i see there
[06:19] <nixternal> that are in the binaryredneck svn
[06:19] <nixternal> i have those, and then some in the doc repo svn, such as the Edubuntu logos
[06:20] <cbx33> right....but in my scp doc....do I just link relative to those image names
[06:21] <nixternal> that is fine
[06:21] <nixternal> i can do any fixing necessary if the dir structure changes at all
[06:22] <nixternal> im hoping to call a meeting concerning the handbook, there is no way it will be out for Edgy, and trying to do so would be a huge mistake, i think it needs some time right now, to pick up more content
[06:22] <nixternal> i think if we were to finish every section we have planned, it would still be naked
[06:23] <nixternal> RichEd: ^^  about another Handbook meeting if possible
[06:23] <nixternal> i shall return..i have to sign some documents to provide the government for my educational benefits ;)  bbiaf
[06:23] <sbalneav> I agree, but is there any chance of posting what content there is as html pages, or wiki pages somewhere?
[06:24] <sbalneav> There's some useful LTSP info in there that it would be handy to be able to refer people to.
[06:24] <cbx33> nixternal, you gone?
[06:27] <sbalneav> \o/ for -bigiron kernel!  Now my x3550 Ibm server can see all 5 gigs of ram!
[06:31] <nixternal> im here, 
[06:31] <nixternal> preparing some faxes now
[06:32] <ogra-thin> looks good :)
[06:34] <nixternal> moinmoin2docbook is there, just not to good right now..we are working with that, as it is a Google SoC project
[06:34] <nixternal> i don't see why we wouldn't be able to convert the pages into something useful though..i will look into that
[06:42] <sbalneav> nixternal: It wouldn't be that hard: an exercise in text processing.
[06:43] <sbalneav> Could probably get close with a 40 line awk program.
[06:43] <sbalneav> ogra-thin: You're already a skinny dude.
[06:44] <sbalneav> Phhht: IBM "We recommend Red Hat Enterprise Linux for our xServer line"
[06:44] <sbalneav> Nuts to that, says I :)
[06:47] <cbx33> sbalneav, ++
[06:51] <nixternal> sbalneav: no need to script anything, there are plenty of applications to do what we need, xml to html is easy, and i already have the scripts to do that, i also have a fop connection to export docbook to pdf as well
[06:52] <nixternal> anywho, lunch time...bbiab
[08:12] <keltorsori> anyone running any ppc clients?
[09:57] <keltorsori> anyone actually here today?
[09:58] <LaserJock> I am
[09:58] <keltorsori> anyone noticed that terminal users on an xubuntu ltsp setup can shutdown the main system?
[09:58] <keltorsori> seems like a serious problem
[09:59] <pygi> keltorsori: the same problem with gnome existed/exists
[10:00] <keltorsori> new edubuntu allows users only to log off (6.10), no shutdown or hibernate options
[10:01] <pygi> keltorsori: I know :)
[10:01] <pygi> you could do the same in dapper with tweaking
[10:01] <keltorsori> this is a problem with xfce?
[10:02] <pygi> no, with it's configuration
[10:02] <pygi> perhaps you could also tweak it
[10:03] <keltorsori> which by the way, i just got a couple of norhtec microclient jrs (http://norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html) for testing out. these things are absolutely ridiculously tiny and pxe boot out of the box just fine
[10:03] <keltorsori> pygi: any pointers towards where i might find the configuration info needed to fix this?
[10:04] <pygi> keltorsori: #xubuntu ^_^
[10:04] <pygi> keltorsori: gconf keys
[10:04] <keltorsori> pygi: thanks, i tried the xubuntu chann, nobody there knows anything, but i think i can figure it out
[10:05] <pygi> keltorsori: start the gconf-editor pls ^_^
[10:06] <keltorsori> xubuntu only has xfce, no gnome
[10:06] <pygi> oh, oh, right , sorry :P
[10:06] <keltorsori> thanks though:)
[10:06] <pygi> no worries, if only I could help you :P
[10:06] <pygi> keltorsori: if you're willing to instruct. we could make xfce behave better on feisty ^_^
[10:08] <keltorsori> pygi: well when i get it figured out, i'll let everyone know
[10:08] <pygi> oki, thanks ^_^
[10:08] <keltorsori> too bad i didn't catch this earlier
[10:08] <pygi> yea :(
[10:30] <_MMA_> Hello guys.
[10:30] <_MMA_> I have a question.
[10:31] <_MMA_> Im working on Ubuntu Studio. I need to setup a custom default setup on install using Gnome.
[10:33] <Burgwork> _MMA_: you need to create meta packages
[10:33] <_MMA_> Meaning we arent using the same one as Ubuntu. We want to change it. Any direction is appreciated.
[10:33] <Burgwork> I suggest you talk to the #ichthux people
[10:33] <_MMA_> Do they stray from the default layout?
[10:33] <Burgwork> yes
[10:33] <_MMA_> Are they on Freenode?
[10:34] <Burgwork> yep
[10:34] <Burgwork> #ichthux
[10:34] <_MMA_> Ill do that.
[10:34] <Burgwork> they do KDE, so they can help you with the meta packages
[10:34] <_MMA_> Im using Gnome.
[10:34] <Burgwork> for the gnome specific bits, you need to look into edubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-artwork
[10:35] <_MMA_> They sent me elsewhere. :) Im kinda chasing my tail.
[10:35] <Burgwork> what do you need?
[10:35] <Burgwork> changed artwrok?
[10:36] <Burgwork> applications installed by default?
[10:36] <Burgwork> the latter icthux can help you with
[10:36] <Burgwork> the former, you need to look at edubuntu and ubuntu-artwork (the actual package)
[10:37] <_MMA_> to change art and how the default environment looks.
[10:37] <Burgwork> what parts?
[10:37] <Burgwork> panel? menu?
[10:37] <_MMA_> ie: Ubuntu-Gnome has 2 panels by default. We want 1.
[10:37] <Burgwork> right
[10:37] <Burgwork> that is slightly harder
[10:38] <Burgwork> I don't know why you want to change that much
[10:38] <_MMA_> I just kinda need to know what package installs the defaults.xml file, I can edit that.
[10:39] <Burgwork> for the panel? gnome-panel
[10:39] <Burgwork> but then you run into the issue that ubuntu-studio should be in tree, not some custom hack
[10:39] <_MMA_> ?
[10:39] <Burgwork> if you change the gnome-panel package, you have issues
[10:40] <Burgwork> it means you cannot insatll ubuntu and ubuntu-studio alongside
[10:40] <Burgwork> do you guys have an irc channel?
[10:40] <_MMA_> #ubuntustudio Freenode.
[10:40] <Burgwork> lets  move there
[10:46] <LaserJock> _MMA_: I'm an Ichthux person 
[10:50] <mhz> hey ya'all
[11:22] <schoolinux> Hi,Is edgy coming this week?
[11:23] <Burgwork> yes
[11:24] <schoolinux> when exactly? i think it was set to 26th oct. means tomorrow, right?
[11:27] <Burgwork> tomorrow in your timezone, maybe
[11:28] <schoolinux> Bugwork where can i find something about features in edubuntu 6.10?
[11:45] <edgarin> Hi to all
[11:45] <edgarin> I have a problem with a Edubuntu
[11:45] <edgarin> the computer dont boot
[11:45] <edgarin> and the grub shows a error 24
[11:46] <edgarin> what is this?
[11:50] <BonBonTheJon> edgarin: has this computer worked before