Tonio_sivang: that was probably a very specific case...12:12
nixternalno no ryanakca, im talking the kubuntu release page12:12
ryanakcaah, yeah, :)12:12
sivangTonio_: probably. there were also the ubuntu specific theme patches, which were elusive ;-)12:12
ryanakcaI uploaded a screenshot for you, feel free to resize :)12:12
Tonio_sivang: one thing, when we are changing the packaging from debia, we generally have a debian/kubuntu-debian-changes file that we maintain12:12
nixternalthanks for that, i will hack it up and work it in12:12
Tonio_that helps for future updates12:13
nixternalim going to start on the ones that don't have any write up yet12:13
Riddellautogen.sh that's it12:13
ryanakcakk, you want the background along with it? I can take a screenshot at school tommorow12:13
Riddellsivang: is there a gnome cdbs rule for running autogen?12:13
nixternalneed to have the content done by tomorrow i think, and then i will work up the php patch for bazaar12:13
ryanakcajust didn't want to take one where half the desktop is icons :)12:13
Tonio_sivang: to make it simple, universe apps generally don't need any kubuntu specific stuff, and concerning main, modofied packages have a file that resume the changes...12:14
nixternalryanakca: i can retake that screeny here in a bit..i can use the neighbors pc12:14
ryanakcanixternal: kk12:15
Tonio_sivang: so you might be able to merge as long as you can read ;)12:15
nixternalif that hasn't changed, then we might not need to12:15
ryanakcanixternal: how do I change my screen resolution without restarting X? (command line, now that that module in kcontrol/syssettings is broken)12:15
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nixternalheh, in xorg.conf12:16
nixternali use vmware for all my screeshots12:16
nixternaland i boot x at 1024x768 @ 72dpi12:16
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ryanakcanixternal: it's changed12:17
ryanakcanixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Release?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntuwin.png12:18
Tonio_I can't believe the konqueror.rc file is hardcoded in konqueror sources......; that's *really* weird, and the filename is supposed to be configurable...12:18
nixternaloh ya..ok..i can retake that here in a few than12:18
Tonio_kdepim works on windows now ? cool :)12:19
ryanakcanixternal: kk12:19
nixternalthat is what i follow when doing screenshots12:19
ryanakcanixternal: some of the stuff, I have no clue what to write for, unless there's anything new in the past week, can I just copy it from the RC Release notes?12:20
nixternaljust turn it into a 1 or 2 sentence selling point12:20
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Tonio_Riddell: I have packages ready for feisty, should I include your patch from bug 63325 ?12:25
UbugtuMalone bug 63325 in kdelibs "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Low,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6332512:25
ryanakcanixternal: shall I take a screenie of ubiquity tommorow when I install RC onto my teacher's computer?12:26
Tonio_Riddell: ah you already uploaded...12:26
nixternalryanakca: ya, that would be great12:26
ryanakcaI hope he doesn't forget his comp... again :)12:27
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nixternalfi you can't, no biggy, i can just pop it in to vmware and get some pics in a couple of minutes..so it is up to you12:28
ryanakcawhatever's easier...12:30
ryanakcaif you want to get all the screenies done tonight, go 'head, otherwise, I'll be sitting there for 20 minutes tommorow anywais12:30
nixternali will wait for the ubiquity screenies from you12:31
nixternalim going to rock on the content and screenies for the other stuff now12:31
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sivangRiddell: not that I recall. all of the gnome pakcages I have worked on needs an explicit call for autogen and represent that in the debian source distribution12:31
nixternalim gonna go eat now, i will bbiab12:31
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nixternalthanks ryanakca for your help!12:31
nixternalwill do12:31
ryanakcabon appetit :)12:32
sivangRiddell: there might be a a cdbs rule for that, not sure. I know that when CDBS comes into the picuture there is a gnome.mk class that is supposed to be taking care of everythiing12:32
sivangTonio_: I see, that *sounds* easy :)12:32
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sivangTonio_: so buildprep is like autoget.sh ?12:32
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sivangTonio_: you are already uploaidng for Feisty is it open yet?12:33
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Tonio_sivang: yes, it helps generating the tarball12:37
Tonio_sivang: but you have to call it manually12:37
sivangRiddell: moreover, it seems that not all ofthe gnome packages even have the autogen.sh thingy12:37
Tonio_fakeroot debian/rules buildprep12:37
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sivangTonio_: same for gnome packages I think :)12:37
sivangTonio_: see my replies to Jonathan12:38
Tonio_okay so it is the same principle12:38
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Tonio_sivang: I'm not opening for feisty, I put everything on my repo for the moment :)12:38
Tonio_so I have to stay synced with Riddell changes :)12:38
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Tonio_sivang: concerning kde applications, they all have the admin folder (kde ones, not qt based ones)12:40
sivangah, okay12:40
sivangwhich makes them easy to manager I asume12:40
Tonio_so the buildprep can be used on any kde application that need makefiles refresh (makefile.am patches etc...)12:40
Tonio_sivang: yes, it easier since about all kde applications have the same structure12:41
sivangTonio_: so, what would you suggest as a practice package to disect, attempt a simulated merge to see if I get along with it?12:47
Tonio_sivang: one good example of a simple kde application packaged ?12:51
Tonio_let me have a look12:51
sivangTonio_: thank you12:51
Tonio_sivang: klibido (universe) is a good example12:52
ryanakcabrb, I'm going to try to get fglrx to work12:52
Tonio_you have the rosetta patch and veru standard builddeps12:52
Tonio_if you prefer a more complex package, kmplayer is probably better12:52
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jdongryanakca: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA12:58
jdongsorry, couldn't resist.... fglrx working....12:58
ryanakcajdong: need I quote you? "Wierd... All I had to do to get fglrx working on Edgy was to install xorg-driver-fglrx and add Option Composite 0 to xorg.conf..... :)             And Xgl does work too... the only think that doesn't really work is xvideo." - October 9th, 2006 11:26AM01:00
jdongryanakca: I know, I'm joking01:00
jdongnothing more patriotic than spreading the fglrx myth, right? :)01:00
ryanakcalol, *cough*01:00
ryanakcalast time I even get an ATI card01:01
jdongoh come on01:01
jdongthey're still good on laptops if you need the power01:01
jdongpersonally, a GMA suits me fine01:01
ryanakcalaptops... I have a desktop... and I had the hardest time getting it set up, and then keeping it working on Dapper... 01:02
jdongas I said before, fglrx has been a good boy to me01:02
ryanakcahow much ram d'you need for XGL / Compiz / beryl /whatever?01:03
ryanakcamore than 375?01:03
ryanakcamb that is..01:03
jdongXgl uses up about 100MB of RAM in a worst-case scenario01:04
jdongso I'd say 100MB more than you usually need01:04
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ryanakcahey kwwii01:06
kwwiiRiddell: ping?01:06
kwwiihowdy ryanakca01:06
kwwiihow does one check out the website?01:06
ryanakcakwwii: oh yeah, your giving the website a new look?01:07
kwwiiryanakca: yepp, but I need to adapt one of my design ideas to reality now01:07
kwwiiRiddell told me once, but I forgot01:08
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ryanakcakwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main  ?01:10
kwwiithe mockup that flavio made was quite nice...I made some similar designs, although more based on the existing code01:11
kwwiiperhaps we can implement them01:11
ryanakcalink? while I'm running dist upgrade...01:11
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ryanakcakwwii: it looks good, are your designs on paper/brain matter, or d'you have a link to them?01:16
kwwiiryanakca: I have several unfinished ideas...the biggest problem is trying to stick to the current layout/pictures and make something new01:17
kwwiiif nothing else, we could make the html colors for links and titles nicer01:18
kwwiiI would like to do a bit more than just change a few pics, as we did for dapper01:18
ryanakcawe have to stick to the current layout/pictures? pitty01:20
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kwwiiryanakca: well, there is some reasoning behind keeping the same layout as ubuntu.com01:24
ryanakcaI guess01:26
kwwiibut if we get enough interested parties (who know web/wiki stuff) we could make something pretty nice, I think01:28
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Riddellkwwii: hi01:32
Riddellkwwii: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/kubuntu-website/main01:34
kwwiiRiddell: when, exactly is the release planned?01:34
kwwiiRiddell: I assume that I have a few days01:35
Riddellkwwii: thursday01:36
Riddellkwwii: I'm not looking for a major overhall of the website, just including the new kubuntu logo variant is enough :)01:37
kwwiicool :-) I should have something ready in the next two days01:37
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, something along that line is what I thought too01:37
kwwiiI might look into the shadow effect on the bottom and the tabs as well though01:37
kwwiiin addition to changing the link and title color01:38
kwwiino major changes in design, only in style01:39
kwwiianyway, thanks for the help01:39
kwwiitoday was my sons' 9th birthday...spent a long day with him, a great time01:39
kwwiiand now bed01:40
kwwiisee you all tomorrow01:40
RiddellI remember my ninth birthday01:43
ryanakcaI don't.. and that was... 5 years ago.. heh01:43
Riddellit was good fun01:43
ryanakcayeah? what d'you do?01:43
Riddellwent to the trampolene centre, lots of trampolenes and 20 nine year olds has to be fun01:44
ryanakcaoooh, trampolenes :)01:44
ryanakcalov'em :) I could bounce all day long...01:44
ryanakcawell, maybe not all day long, but still, lot's of fun :)01:45
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ryanakcabrb, rebooting for real now and trying to get fglrx working :)01:47
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nixternalis it working?02:09
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sivangthe amount of lintian warning ;)02:31
sivangTonio_: ^^02:31
Tonio_sivang: let me check :)02:31
Tonio_sivang: hehe, indeed :)02:32
Tonio_sivang: it needs love, definitly :) that was a bad example02:33
Tonio_but well that's just polishing....02:34
sivangTonio_: right :)02:35
sivangTonio_: so anyways, inside the /admin folder there's stuff I haven't seen much in GNOME packages02:35
sivangthat is, autofoo stuff I'm not familiar with02:35
Tonio_sivang: yes02:35
Tonio_sivang: the admin folder generally comes from kde directly02:35
sivangah, figures02:35
Tonio_it is used to generate tarballs with autobla02:36
sivangdo I normally want anything with it? are there any pointed to learn about it?02:36
Tonio_you generally don't have to play with it except :02:36
Tonio_- to regenerate makefiles.in files using buildprep02:36
Tonio_- patching for rosetta02:36
Tonio_if the tarball isn't complete, generally adding autobla builddep is enough02:37
Tonio_cdbs + kde.mk is doing the stuff automatically02:37
Tonio_sometimes, when you have problems packaging an app that uses a very old version of admin, you can replace it02:38
sivangpretty cool, seems you guys mostly rest when a merge cycle opens :)02:38
Tonio_I sometimes do it, last time with katapult for example02:38
nixternalfor release notes for the web page, do you think it would be wise to not include KTorrent, so people don't read into it, and try to establish Kubuntu with illegal file sharing?02:39
Tonio_but kde packaging is, to what I know, more "standard" than gnome apps packaging02:39
Tonio_because apps have to respect a certain structure, and packaging techniques are most of the time the same02:39
nixternalor should I include, with a footnote, which would state that Kubuntu doesn't support illegal downloading02:39
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Tonio_nixternal: hum....... konqueror allows to download illegal stuff02:40
Tonio_wget too02:40
Tonio_firefox, same problem......02:40
Tonio_ftp too :)02:41
nixternalyes, but the public doesn't link them the way they do bit torrent applications02:41
jjesseas well :)02:41
nixternal<nixternal> for release notes for the web page, do you think it would be wise to not include KTorrent, so people don't read into it, and try to establish Kubuntu with illegal file sharing?02:41
nixternaljjesse: ^^02:41
nixternalyou have a little experience with this type of documentation i think ;)02:41
Tonio_nixternal: hum.... dunno in fact02:41
jjessenixternal: i don't think it is an issue as it is obviously a part of the main inclusion and deemed not a big deal by those in charge02:41
nixternal<nixternal> or should I include, with a footnote, which would state that Kubuntu doesn't support illegal downloading02:41
Tonio_my ktorrent usage is legal, so ;)02:42
jjesseie sabdfl or rideout02:42
jdongnixternal: my ktorrent usage is 99.95% legal...02:42
jjessedoh Riddell02:42
nixternalheh, i don't even use it ;)02:42
jjesse+1 Tonio_ and jdong02:42
jdongand IMO ktorrent 2 is a big deal02:42
jdongI've put a lot of time into it, too, so I'm happy to see it publicized02:42
jjessenixternal: maybe you are being a little paronoid?02:42
nixternalthats all i needed, but if someone comes at us and says that we support it, then i am pointing the fingers at jdong, Tonio_, and jjesse ;)02:42
jjessedon't remember if i mentioned in the chpt in the official book, but i think it is fine02:43
jdonggo ahead :)02:43
Tonio_nixternal: answer him that we support a technology, widely used for legal purpose02:43
nixternaljdong wants it pimped as that is one of his projects02:43
jjesse+1 Tonio_02:43
Tonio_it is like selling knifes02:43
Tonio_doesn't mean you support murdering :)02:43
jjesseor guns02:43
jjesseor cigarettes :)02:43
jdongthough I do have to raise an eyebrow at the default search engines02:43
jdongwhich include ISOHunt, Piratebay, and Mininova02:43
jjesseinteresting didn't even notice that02:43
jdongof course, all three of those claim to be legal and respect copyrights, too....02:44
nixternalTonio_: i support murdering, but i prefer guns instead ;)02:44
nixternalthat was a sick joke02:44
Tonio_nixternal: hehe02:44
Tonio_jdong: yes, default search engines should be cleaned a bit02:44
sivangTonio_: I see, interesting.02:44
jjessehas anyone tried to boot kubuntu either edgy or dapper on any of the new Intel Q965 chipset motherboards?02:44
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jdongjjesse: there's some wiki reports of it02:44
jjessecause i can't 02:44
jdongjjesse: though it's kind of outdated (based on edgy beta info)02:45
Tonio_sivang: your servant ! ask if you have any question02:45
jdongif it doesn't work, you should really hop over to #ubuntu-devel and poke BenC02:45
jjessei was using the release candiate02:45
jdonghmm, it should've been working by then02:45
jdongpoke a kernel dev02:45
jjessejdong thanks02:45
jdongeither on -devel or -kernel02:45
jjesseits actually a chance i get to use kubuntu at work :)02:46
jdongoh man, I feel so dirty for using GNOME for a week :D02:46
jdongjjesse: perhaps a bit more info about what happens when you try the boot would be appropriate02:46
jjessesure i'm looking up my bug report02:47
jdongok, just checking :)02:47
nixternalhrmm..if ktorrent wasn't such an issue, how come suse doesn't ship it due to legal reasons, reguarding p2p apps?02:47
jjessebug 6654602:47
UbugtuMalone bug 66546 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Desktop CD doesn't boot for Intel Q965 chipsets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6654602:47
jdongusually around this time -devel is crankyest02:47
jdongnixternal: no, they ship it, they turned off DHT though02:47
jdongbecause DHT to them is a p2p liability02:47
nixternalwell, they removed the dht patch, and now don't ship it02:48
jdongthough Fedora has no issues with Azureus02:48
nixternalthat is true02:48
jdongand that's full-blown Azureus, too.. DHT, PEX, PE, and friends02:48
nixternaloh well..im not worried about it..i will present it to Riddell and let him decide02:48
jjessewhose concenred about it besides you nixternal?02:48
jdongnixternal: I see an issue with the default search engines, but not with the program itself02:48
jdongand I haven't seen any precedent that DHT or PEX or PE is a legal issue....02:49
jdongand bittorrent.com has made friends with the entertainment industry, too02:49
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theineHi, if want to get meaningful backtraces when Kmail crashes, shall I install libc6-dbg and kdepim-dbg?02:51
nixternalwell, with all of the recent riaa actions here in the united states, and congress pushing to ban p2p crap, i thought i would rather ask then present something that could be treading on thin ice in some peoples minds02:52
nixternalbetter safe than sorry is the motto here02:52
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jdongnixternal: yeah, I guess, but I don't think there's anything wrong with bittorrent itself02:54
jdongparanoid redhat doesn't seem to object, and that's enough confidence for me :D02:54
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DaSkreechWhoot :) Fedora Core 6 :)04:29
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jjesseis it out now?04:29
DaSkreechUmm... I don't think it is officially. They should be on the server but they are still 403 as far as I can tell04:30
Jucato"Fedora Core 6 arrives on 2006-10-24, 14:00 GMT"04:30
Jucatohmm.. that would be 10pm here...04:30
jjessehttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule 04:32
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jjessefc6 general avilability oct. 2404:32
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DaSkreechOh I heard that they changed ubuntu edgy to be Pink?04:37
jjessegrin that's funny04:38
DaSkreechI broke X this morning and jumped into #ubuntu+1 and they were have some family friendly words to say about it :)04:39
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skreechWhy can't you ping programs?05:07
skreechOh.. AIGLX is on by default in Edgy?05:13
skreechNice. They probably can ship beryl by default then05:14
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skreechWell I'm staring at a Console instead of rading Foxtrot 05:14
skreechDamn I hate kopete :()05:15
skreechMuhahahaha it opened05:15
skreechX is mine!!!!05:15
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DaSkreechoh brilliant it did it again05:30
JucatoI think that was supposed to go "oops! I did it again"05:31
DaSkreechNow it's reversed05:33
DaSkreechI can use the keyboard but not the mouse05:33
DaSkreechthe mouse it self moves but Klicking does nothing05:34
Jucatoand this is brought about by Kopete on Edgy?05:35
DaSkreechno Kopete on Dapper05:35
DaSkreech I've not had any issues with kopete on edgy05:35
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JucatoKDE 3.5.5?05:35
Jucatoah... that's not.. um.. normal. never had that problem (at least with Kopete 0.12.2 on Dapper/KDE 3.5.4)05:36
DaSkreechI heard >things< about .505:36
Jucatoyeah.. some "things"...05:37
DaSkreechI'm using 12.105:37
DaSkreechIs that a poignant pause or just confusion in the air?05:38
Jucatoas to what maybe causing this "bug"05:38
DaSkreechthis is exterem but it takes over mysystem nearly every time I start it05:40
DaSkreechHmm ok this may mean something but I just opened an app and the bouncing icon doesn't follow the mouse05:44
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=== Hobbsee passed her driving test
DaSkreechI thought you did that already?06:36
Hobbseethere was another one06:36
DaSkreechTwo Driving tests?06:36
Hobbsee(means i can drive faster, and can get caught three times before losing my licence)06:36
Hobbseethis was a hazard perception test - computer based06:37
Hobbsee"touch the screen when you would slow down"  "touch the screen when you would turn right"06:37
DaSkreechSooo they have a test for people who play video games?06:37
Hobbsee3/4 of the tests are computer based.06:37
Hobbseethe other is a driving test, which is when you first go for solo drivin06:37
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DaSkreechright so kopete just closed (I think X killed it since Firefox died as well) and the mouse works again06:46
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sivangmorning all ;)11:36
sivangah, konversation is slick and nice11:36
Riddellnew CD images are up and ready for testing!11:36
sivangmorning Riddell11:36
Hobbseehey sivang, Riddell 11:38
Jucatohi Hobbsee11:39
Hobbseehey Jucato 11:39
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Hobbseeooh, so you got it back :)11:39
Jucatoyeah! *finally*11:40
Jucatoafter almost 3 weeks, and US$ 2011:40
Jucatoat least I have it back... my preciousssss :)11:40
imbrandonheya Jucato11:51
Jucatohi imbrandon! :)11:51
imbrandonRiddell, new RC images ?11:51
imbrandonor final11:51
Riddellimbrandon: RC is out11:55
imbrandonyea i know that i did a install with it some days ago11:55
Riddellso that would make these final candidates11:55
Riddellhow exciting!11:55
Jucatoheheh :)11:56
imbrandonisnt there a way for me to rsync my current image so i dont have to redownload a whole new image ?11:56
imbrandonmy RC iso11:56
imbrandonbrandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ ls -l11:57
imbrandontotal 71473211:57
imbrandon-rw-r--r-- 1 root    root    731160576 2006-10-18 07:42 kubuntu-6.10-rc-desktop-powerpc.iso11:57
Riddellsee KubuntuFiles11:58
imbrandonkk, i should have known that11:58
imbrandonany clue what this means ? 12:06
imbrandonbrandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-powerpc.iso .12:06
imbrandonrsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)12:06
imbrandonrsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(614) [receiver=2.6.8] 12:06
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Riddellmorning Tonio_, going to help in the Great Edgy CD Testing Marathon?01:24
Riddellimbrandon: keep trying, the rsync server can be fussy01:24
imbrandonRiddell, yea i finaly got it01:24
imbrandoninfact i have it booted no issues so far01:25
Tonio_Riddell: yup01:28
Tonio_Riddell: I had stuff to finish yesterday, but I'm just downloading current.01:33
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Test the CD candidates! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
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jeroenvrpI think I do something wrong in launchpad regarding bugs01:45
jeroenvrphow do I tag it as a edgy bug?01:45
Riddellin general you don't01:45
jeroenvrphow do you know if its a dapper or a edgy bug?01:46
Riddellwe usually assume it's in the current distro01:46
Riddelland if it's not, then it's fixed :)01:46
jeroenvrpok, so I will add edgy in the comments01:47
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=== Tonio_ is searching for writable cd....
Tonio_Riddell: I think I'll have to go out and buy one :)02:02
Riddellrewritables are the way to go :)02:03
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Tonio_Riddell: yeah I know but I lost them when I left my old appartment......02:04
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Tonio_AH !!!!!!02:05
Tonio_found it finally02:05
Tonio_a bunch of 20 rewritables02:05
HobbseeFetched 414MB in 53s (7724kB/s)  <-- yay for local mirrors02:05
Tonio_Riddell: butning02:05
Tonio_Riddell: I will have a question concerning konqueror and the settings loading02:06
Tonio_the problem is in konqueror, but I fixed in kds02:06
Tonio_I think we should patch konqueror instead to load kconfig settings instead of "konqueror.rc"02:06
Tonio_better to fix upstream directly than workarrounding in my opinion02:06
Tonio_I will try to patch02:07
claydohis there a link or documentation on why the dirs in root are hidden?02:08
Jucatoclaydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia02:08
Tonio_claydoh: argh ! not once again please :)02:08
Jucatohehe Tonio_ :)02:08
claydohwell I couldnt find it  soorry02:09
Tonio_claydoh: ;)02:09
claydohwell it is a contentios item02:09
Jucatoclaydoh: the blog post from Sime that's linked to in that wiki has more explanations I guess02:09
Tonio_Riddell: I discussed a lot with sivang yesterday, he looks very interested in kde packaging :) cool :)02:09
claydohI personally don't care but there is some flack02:09
JucatoTonio_: will we have a sort of permanent wiki for KubuntuKDEMedia? something we could point users to?(there will be *lots* of them asking)02:10
Tonio_Jucato: well it should be escribed with the release on kubuntu.org02:10
Tonio_that's the best to do in my opinion02:10
Jucatook. gonna wait on that one :)02:11
claydohI do wonder why so-called experienced users would find the hidden bits a problem area02:12
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Jucatoclaydoh: they already do :)02:13
claydohI'm dense and it took me all of 15 seconds02:14
claydohbut also a kde user for about 5 years now02:15
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Jucatoclaydoh: well, the bottom line is probably something like this: "newbies won't even know it's missing, oldies would know (or would be told) how to workaround it."02:16
claydohits the same as ~/.kde to me02:17
Jucatohehe :)02:17
Jucatoclaydoh: I see you're found that little thread in KFN about it :)02:18
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Tonio_Riddell: only alternate to test ?02:19
Tonio_I can't test it since I only have one machine here02:19
JucatoI better post that link (wiki and blog)02:19
Tonio_ah no just found the desktop cd02:19
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Jucatoooh good morning to you, then Tonio_ :)02:20
Tonio_Jucato: hehe, thank you ;)02:21
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RiddellTonio_: all02:34
Tonio_Riddell: yeah I found the desktop cd...02:35
Tonio_Riddell: I can't test the alternate, I don't have my desktop anymore...02:35
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apokryphosdang, all the mirrors are soo slow02:48
RiddellI don't think the current ISOs are mirrored02:51
apokryphosjust finding that out; I was just inserting countrycode.cdimage.ubuntu.com and it misleadingly resolved the page :P02:52
apokryphosonly one that looks like it should have it is trusty heanet, but the desktop cd there is a day old. Nevermind, hopefully it speeds up. What should take 10 minutes is on 10 hours :P02:57
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Jucatohi bddebian!03:47
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bddebianHeya Jucato03:47
mhbhi all03:50
Jucatohi mhb!03:51
Jucatoooh mornfall was here? O_O03:51
gnomefreakwhos good with konq?03:51
gnomefreaksomeones got a weird error in konq on edgy03:52
mhbI didn't know he's from around here (Czech)03:54
Jucatomhb: heheh :)03:54
Tonio_gnomefreak: I can try to help03:56
Tonio_gnomefreak: what's the problem ?03:56
gnomefreaklet me grab the error03:57
gnomefreakThere was an error loading the module Icon View.03:57
gnomefreak09:49 <           bertu > The diagnostics is:03:57
gnomefreak09:49 <           bertu > /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so: undefined symbol: 03:57
gnomefreakundefined symbol is what i found weird since its only him03:58
Tonio_what is he trying to do ?03:58
gnomefreakthat i have heard of so far03:58
gnomefreakhe says running it03:58
Tonio_opening an iso file ?03:58
Tonio_gnomefreak: there is no real k3b/konqueror relationship03:59
Tonio_except a servicemenu03:59
Tonio_gnomefreak: I need to know what he exactly does03:59
gnomefreakTonio_: he said no iso03:59
Tonio_gnomefreak: where is he ?03:59
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gnomefreakTonio_: ty for your help im guessing either it worked or his systeem crashed lol04:32
Tonio_gnomefreak: worked :)04:32
Tonio_The following NEW packages will be installed:04:32
Tonio_044.   kappfinder kdebase kdelibs kpager kpersonalizer ktip04:32
Tonio_oups......... klipper sucks sometimes04:32
gnomefreakcool :)04:32
Tonio_[16:23]  <bertu> tonio_: working!04:32
Tonio_here it is04:33
gnomefreakcool ty04:33
Tonio_gnomefreak: your servant04:35
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tomazhy ppl.07:10
tomazi'm having repaint problems in kicker when i'm using KPDF07:10
tomazand i wish to try to fix this bug, but i don't know about QT. any help?07:11
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Riddelltomaz: that sounds like an advanced bug, but #kpdf may be able to help more07:46
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mhbquiet today09:31
Luremhb: true09:33
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fdovingI haven't found a smart way to unhide hidden files in a certain directory, for gnome/gtk apps..  like 'ShowDotFiles=true" > .directory in kde.09:34
mhbfdoving: only for GNOME apps? 09:36
mhbfdoving: I fear it's close to impossible. 09:36
fdovingmhb: not only for gnome apps, but only for a certain directory, in every gnome/gtk apps.09:36
xeroshi everybody :)09:37
mhbxeros: hi09:37
fdovingmhb: some guy in ##gnome told me they don't have that feature.09:37
xerosmhb: you had the same problem with plural forms in rosetta as we in PL. Is it fixed or there is a temporary workaround for that?09:38
mhbxeros: I fear not yet09:39
mhbxeros: I hoped uploading the corrected .po file will fix that, but no luck09:39
mhbfdoving: heh :o) they do, Sime wrote in his "famous blogpost" that they have it for quite some time09:41
fdovingmhb: where? and how? 09:41
mhbfdoving: oh, you mean disabling that.09:42
xerosmhb: too bad :( it makes few important parts untranslated because translators don't want to put broken packages...09:42
mhbfdoving: I meant the hiding one, sorry09:42
mhbfdoving: no idea about that09:43
mhbfdoving: but the gnome guy could be right09:43
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fdovingmhb: i mean fixing the bugs/problems introduced by the hiding.09:43
xerosok, I'm going to sleep, good night to everyone...09:44
mhbxeros: I agree, bad bad bad09:44
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mhbfdoving: oh... not heard about that, sadly09:52
fdovingmhb: not heard about the bugs introduced by /.hidden ? 09:53
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mhbfdoving: I did, but not about the fixes sadly09:55
mhbfdoving: :o) sorry for the confusion09:55
mhbsivang: what did you use before?09:56
fdovingis a symlink a 'special file' ? if it is, having /.hidden is not compatbile with the FHS.09:56
Riddellsivang: in which way?09:57
mhbfdoving: it is a special file, AFAIK09:57
fdovingthe FHS says: "Applications must never create or require special files or subdirectories in the root directory. Other locations in the FHS hierarchy provide more than enough flexibility for any package."09:58
apokryphosRiddell: know of any other mirrors yet by any chance?10:00
Riddellapokryphos: there's no mirrors for the candidates10:03
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apokryphosRiddell: well heanet mirrors them at least, but it's just a day old it seems10:05
Riddellwhich is meaningless for us10:06
apokryphosjust a bit of a shame that there's a day to use the ISO, and it takes half a day to download :/10:06
Riddellapokryphos: what speed is your internet connection?10:07
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apokryphosRiddell: 24megabit10:07
apokryphosI normally download up to 2meg/sec, but here.... 15-20 kb/sec10:07
Riddellthat's twice what I have, you should be able to download in 5 minutes10:07
fdovingwhat is it you're downloading? 10:07
apokryphosedgy amd64 daily build10:08
Riddellcdimage.u.c. is variable when it's under heavy use like it is today but there shouldn't be a problem in general10:08
fdovingapokryphos: do you have the url? 10:08
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Riddellhello luis__lopez 10:09
Riddellhello tmg too10:09
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fdovingapokryphos: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-amd64.iso this? 10:09
apokryphosfdoving: yeah10:10
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Riddellhello TheBearded1 10:10
fdovingapokryphos: i'm getting ~1000KB/s from there.10:10
apokryphoscrazy, I'm in London too10:10
fdovingapokryphos: i can download it, and put online, if you want.. then you could check the speed.10:10
apokryphosfdoving: that would be really great 8)10:11
apokryphosI guess I could've always downloaded it onto one of my servers and then downloaded from there; odd that it'd go faster there though, they're in the US too10:11
apokryphosI also normally get great download speeds from Ubu servers. It's all very curious 8)10:13
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HawkwindHas usplash been backported to Dapper and I assume if it has, it's fully working ?10:22
RiddellI doubt it's in backports10:22
HawkwindIs it available for Dapper at all anywhere ?10:23
HawkwindSomeone mentioned they have it for Dapper, but it only displays  anything if run from the command line10:23
fdovingapokryphos: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/rc/edgy-desktop-amd64.iso10:24
RiddellHawkwind: it's in the default dapper10:28
apokryphosfdoving: 1.5mb/sec -- thanks10:28
fdovingapokryphos: nice, you're welcome :)10:29
ryanakcahmm... odd how my ISP says I should have download speeds around 1.5mb/s... yes most of the time it's at 300kb/s...10:29
ryanakca800kb/s on some of the ubuntu servers10:30
HawkwindRiddell: The reason I was asking about the backport of Edgy's usplash is because it supports 256 colors and allows for larger images up to 1024x768 where dappers doesn't10:31
mhbum ... is there an easy way how to share files in Kubuntu (Edgy)?10:32
mhbnot remotely, just locally10:32
Hawkwindmhb: NFS ?10:32
fdovingbrowse to the other users homedir? 10:32
Riddellmhb: public file server applet in kicker10:32
Riddellit's the most stupid place to have it10:33
mhbRiddell: thanks10:34
mhbRiddell: since /tmp and the like are now (and will be) hidden maybe it's time for Feisty to enable sharing in some easy way10:35
mhbRiddell: I didn't know about this applet until you told me ... I was actually looking at the most obvious place ->System Settings -> Sharing10:36
fdovingmhb: can't you browse other users files by default? 10:37
Riddellmhb: I'd agree, but fixing the UI to that applet to be sane wouldn't be easy to maintain when moving to KDE 4 so it might not be the best time to do it10:37
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Riddellif there was an easy way to do it I'd be all for it of course10:38
mhbfdoving: god I hope no10:39
fdovingmhb: i think you can.10:39
fdovingand that's normal.10:40
mhbfdoving: normal?10:40
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mhbso like every user can check on my ./password file in /home/martin/secret/ ?10:41
fdovingunless you set the permissions more strict than default, yes.10:41
mhbit should be the other way arround10:41
mhbRiddell: it's really like that? $home dirs can be read by other users?10:42
fdovingyou can ofcouse remove the 'execute' permission from 'everyone' on /home/martin and prevent them from entering your $HOME, but you would still have to set a more restrictive umask if you want that to be default behaviour.10:43
mhbfdoving: I guess that's not normal10:43
fdovingmhb: that's perfectly normal.10:43
mhbfdoving: does any other OS/distro have such feature?10:43
fdovinghas been this way in every distro i've tried the last ~6 years10:44
mhbfdoving: maybe I've used the wrong ones10:44
mhbfdoving: the secure ones, that is ...10:44
mhbfdoving: I probably need to check it with someone10:45
mhbfdoving: thanks10:45
mhbfdoving: it's not that normal, for example in Debian " Normally access to a particular user's home directory is restricted to the actual user and to members of the user's primary group"10:46
mhbfdoving: which seems logical to me10:47
mhbfdoving: but I need to know more about it before I start panicking :o)10:47
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Riddellhome directories are rwxr-xr-x by default10:47
GNUroHi Riddell!10:47
mhbRiddell: readable by everyone else?10:47
Riddellmhb: yes10:48
Riddellhi GNUro 10:48
mhbRiddell: and I guess no user/admin can set "Private home dirs" in any graphical tool10:49
Riddellmhb: any file manager10:49
mhbRiddell: I mean for the new users onwards10:50
mhbRiddell: as well?10:50
Riddellnone that I know of10:50
fdovingso.. sharing files is easy :)10:51
mhbfdoving: yeah, sharing passwords as well10:51
fdovingyou'll have to restrict access to the file then :)10:51
Riddellmhb: any passwords you have should be encrypted (which doesn't make your points incorrect of course)10:52
mhbRiddell: yes, of course, but we always consider joe users, not me10:52
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mhbRiddell: "normal" users sometimes tend to make a small text file with a password for seldomly-used FTP connection, for example10:54
fdovingmhb: you can set DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf to 0770 or 0750 if you want to.10:55
fdovingthough.. guidance userconfig probably doesn't read that file.. 10:56
mhbfdoving: OK, but here I can name a few use cases when joe family admin needs to do that too10:56
mhbfdoving: so it should be reachable through systemsettings IMHO10:56
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fdovingmhb: then he does: kmenu -> run command -> kdesu konqueror -> browse to /home/ -10:57
mhbRiddell: is this feature (visible $home dirs) documented in KDG?10:58
fdoving> select directories he wants to make private -> right click -> permissions -> others forbidden10:58
mhbfdoving: he wants to make all home dirs private10:58
mhbfdoving: nothing public10:58
fdovingthen select everything.10:58
mhbfdoving: he cannot change the rights on other users' home dirs without kdesu10:59
mhbthe strangest thing is such important information are almost never well documented ... it's a shame, really11:00
fdovingevery user can do this for his own homedir.11:00
fdovingmhb: because this is default and normal in the unix/linux world. :)11:00
mhbsecurity and privacy is important in this age11:00
mhbfdoving: and joe knows that, right?11:01
mhbfdoving: he doesn't11:01
Riddellmhb: kubuntu desktop guide isn't the best maintained document, do take it over for fiesty if you want11:01
fdovingA button in system settings saying 'make my homedir private' or the opposite (if the default behaviour is changed) wouldn't hurt though.11:03
mhbRiddell: OK, I'll try to improve on that11:04
Riddellmhb: talk to robotgeek first of course11:04
mhbRiddell: sure ... I'll collect more ideas, first11:06
mhbfdoving: the current solution is not that bad, when all users know what the current policy is11:06
Riddellmhb: I'm sure it's the same in debian11:07
mhbRiddell: a note I found on a Debian wiki page (could be inaccurate, though): "Normally access to a particular user's home directory is restricted to the actual user and to members of the user's primary group. Members which fall into the "other" permissions category (non-user, non-group members) are not allowed to even change directories into the user's home directory.11:08
Riddellit's not clear what "access" means there11:08
Riddellof course I havn't used debian in about two years11:08
fdovingmhb: i can not confirm this, but i think that is wrong, if it haven't changed lately.11:09
mhbRiddell: it's clear though that others have neither read nor execute rights11:09
nixternal\sh_away: you gotta watch out, people read them blogs the wrong way..one guy lashed out at me about my comments from america, and then he retardedly realized where i was from ;)11:09
mhbI'll go ask elsewhere11:09
nixternalwell well well you kubuntoerzesisks, how is everyone doing this fine tuesday?11:10
Riddellnixternal: waiting for people to test the candidates11:11
Riddelldon't think anyone as yet :(11:11
nixternali have11:11
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nixternaloh wait..link me please11:12
jjessethe release canidate?11:12
Riddelljjesse: the final candidate!11:12
jjesseah, haven't had a chance yet and wont :(11:12
nixternali have just installed a download on my lappy, and finally the 2.6.17 kernel, greater than the -6 release, works11:12
Riddellnixternal: if you've tested the current candidates please fill in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current11:12
jjessei wonder if the release will wokr on the intel q965 chipset?11:13
nixternalahh, i thought that was for you head honchos11:13
nixternali can help out there Riddell!11:13
Riddellnixternal: it's for everyone11:13
jjesseme too nixternal, didn't knwo that was for the ordinary user11:13
nixternali see the names on there, and they are the big wigs of the community...i usually just spectated that page11:13
RiddellI guess nobody read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001415.html then11:14
jdongjjesse: I hope it works on the q965... and all the kernel devs seem to think they got that down pat a while back.... :(11:15
jjessejdong: i took the release candiate on an hp dc7700 w/ the q965 and didn't boot11:16
jdongjjesse: yeah, you told me that last night...11:16
jjesseintel dual core dc 770011:16
jdongthat's concerning though...11:16
jdong7700.... that's the mobile core 2 duo ,right?11:16
jdonghmm, I'm not sure about how the centrino platform for c2d has changed....11:17
jdongI know the desktop q965 express mobo is supposed to work now....11:17
jdongI'm not sure about the mobile11:17
jdongwhat did it do when you tried to boot it?11:17
jjesseis that different since the release candiate, it was on a desktop11:17
jdongyeah, they're completely different11:18
jjessewell it failed on both the dapper and edgy build11:18
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jdongthe mobile core 2 duo should work perfectly on dapper and edgy in theory11:18
jdongas I don't think the platform/mobo had changed since core duo11:18
jdong(i.e. still the Napa mobo)11:18
jdongon the desktop it's a different story11:18
jdongcan you get me a link to your LP bug again?11:18
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jjessetrying to remember from my bug report but on edgy after the first screen of the slash screen nothing happens11:19
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jdongjjesse: have you had any luck finding a kernel dev in -devel or -kernel?11:20
jdongthey'd be your best bet11:20
jjessei haven't had a chance as i've been !irc11:20
jdongwell, I don't think there's many of us around (other than BenC) who have touched a core 2 duo11:21
jjessei'll try again tonight and aslo mail benc and see what's going on11:21
jdongso asking us repeatedly is probably gonna get you nowhere .... :(11:21
jdongif someone sends me a core 2 duo for free, I'll investigate compatibility :D11:21
jjessebummer, i might have some time to work on the computer its a clients pc11:21
jjesse+1 o nthat11:22
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jdongsadly, if there is a problem with Edgy support, it's too late to do anything about it11:22
jdongI think we've already gone to the point of no return :)11:22
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jjessei know, i was hoping someone saw the bug before it went, but i guess not... 11:22
jjessesorry internet is running slow for me so i can't pull up that bug11:23
jdongit's ok11:23
jdongin other news, IE7's actually somewhat usable now11:23
jdongeven though it's still not my favorite Windows browser :D11:23
jjessei like ie7, plus launchpad now works w/ it11:23
jdongyeah, if I'm gonna be stuck with IE, I'd much rather have IE7 :)11:23
jjessejdong: bug #6654611:24
UbugtuMalone bug 66546 in kernel-package "Kubuntu Desktop CD doesn't boot for Intel Q965 chipsets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6654611:24
jdongit was a little quirky when I used it yesterday though11:24
jdongI was using windowsupdate though11:24
jjesseRiddell: do you know if you can have a kernel dev look at that bug?11:24
jdongjjesse: the bug should be filed against linux-source-2.6.1711:24
jdongkernel-package is a set of scripts used to compile your own kernel into .debs11:24
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Riddelljjesse: I imagine Ben is busy like all the devs with testing CDs11:25
jdongjjesse: poking Riddell is probably not gonna help any more :)11:25
jjessegrin i know11:25
jjessei'll try and update the bug tomorrow as the dc7700 is at work :(11:26
jdongjjesse: hmm, the devs will probably need more info than that for it to be meaningful11:26
jdonglike use F6 to remove "quiet" from the boot options11:26
jdongthat'll spit out more output11:26
nixternalRiddell: what specifically needs to be tested, on the i386 platform?  it looks like there have been a few successful tests already, so having 4 or 5 people put PASS is OK im guessing?11:26
jdonghopefully that'll help us isolate where it's freezing11:26
jjessehmm time to head out and run, i'lll update this bug tongith11:27
jjesseand tomorrow11:27
Riddellnixternal: fill in whatever gaps you can, but in general the most tests the better11:27
Riddellanyone who can test the winfoss would be especially welcome11:27
nixternali think i can handle that then11:27
nixternaloh..i gotta go do those screenshots anyways..i will test that here in a few minutes11:28
jdongRiddell: what WinFOSS is on the kubuntu CD's?11:28
jdongsame as ubuntu?11:28
Riddelljdong: no, much better winfoss!11:28
Riddellit's blue!11:28
Riddellkexi, kdepim, scribus, speedcrunch (and firefox and thunderbird)11:29
jdongoh, cool11:29
jdongkdepim works under windows?11:29
mhboh bad, hit the bandwidth limit ... I'll download the image through rsync at night and will report tomorrow morning, okay?11:29
Riddellwell, an old port of korganiser does11:29
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nixternalya, that all works11:30
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Riddellso if anyone can test the winfoss from the DVD or 64 bit desktop CD (it's just 32 bit winfoss I'm sure) that would be cool11:30
Riddellabattoir: hugs to you for testing 11:33
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mhbRiddell: you were right about Debian, 75511:35
apokryphosLive ISO so far is fine except all same RC issues/bugs11:35
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LureRiddell: I have a fix for bug 67889 - can I target it for edgy-updates?11:37
UbugtuMalone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6788911:37
RiddellLure: sure11:37
RiddellLure: put debdiff and .debs somewhere for me and matt to look at when you can11:37
mhbgood night all11:37
Riddellnight mhb 11:38
nixternalalrighty, my tests have been uploaded11:38
fdovingnite mhb.11:38
nixternalactually, they weren't tests to begin with, but i just got done doing all that stuff for my laptop, and my other desktop ;)11:38
LureRiddell: debdiff is attached to bug and .deb is on my web server (link in bug)11:39
RiddellLure: ok, I'll try and look at that tomorrow11:39
Riddellnixternal: those are with the current ISOs?11:39
nixternali got them about 2 hours ago11:40
nixternalis there anything more current than that?11:40
Riddellnixternal: that's perfect11:40
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nixternalheh, i was gonna use /cmd to paste the info, but i already rm'd the iso ;)11:41
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apokryphosRiddell: is it worth reporting typo errors atm?11:41
nixternalit is always important11:41
nixternalbut they can't be fixed until after thursday11:42
apokryphosas I thought, I'll report the bug anyhow11:42
Riddellapokryphos: in what?11:42
apokryphosRiddell: well, the System Menu with "Users Folders", and in Qtparted it says "Warning, you can lost data!"11:43
nixternalRiddell: there is a newer iso than what i had..so im downloading it, to give it a try as well11:43
Riddellapokryphos: best just to fix that upstream at this stage11:46
apokryphosfew people are as annoying about apostrophes as me, anyhow 8)11:47
Riddellapokryphos: I try to be, although in that case I'm more concerned with the silly icon next to it11:47
apokryphosheh, oh yeah11:48
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apokryphosKubuntu Device Database -- very interesting, didn't know about that11:54

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