[12:12] <Tonio_> sivang: that was probably a very specific case...
[12:12] <nixternal> no no ryanakca, im talking the kubuntu release page
[12:12] <ryanakca> ah, yeah, :)
[12:12] <sivang> Tonio_: probably. there were also the ubuntu specific theme patches, which were elusive ;-)
[12:12] <ryanakca> I uploaded a screenshot for you, feel free to resize :)
[12:12] <Tonio_> sivang: one thing, when we are changing the packaging from debia, we generally have a debian/kubuntu-debian-changes file that we maintain
[12:12] <nixternal> thanks for that, i will hack it up and work it in
[12:13] <Tonio_> that helps for future updates
[12:13] <nixternal> im going to start on the ones that don't have any write up yet
[12:13] <Riddell> autogen.sh that's it
[12:13] <ryanakca> kk, you want the background along with it? I can take a screenshot at school tommorow
[12:13] <Riddell> sivang: is there a gnome cdbs rule for running autogen?
[12:13] <nixternal> need to have the content done by tomorrow i think, and then i will work up the php patch for bazaar
[12:13] <ryanakca> just didn't want to take one where half the desktop is icons :)
[12:13] <ryanakca> kk
[12:14] <Tonio_> sivang: to make it simple, universe apps generally don't need any kubuntu specific stuff, and concerning main, modofied packages have a file that resume the changes...
[12:14] <nixternal> ryanakca: i can retake that screeny here in a bit..i can use the neighbors pc
[12:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk
[12:15] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.org/images/winfoss.png
[12:15] <Tonio_> sivang: so you might be able to merge as long as you can read ;)
[12:15] <nixternal> if that hasn't changed, then we might not need to
[12:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: how do I change my screen resolution without restarting X? (command line, now that that module in kcontrol/syssettings is broken)
[12:16] <nixternal> heh, in xorg.conf
[12:16] <nixternal> i use vmware for all my screeshots
[12:16] <nixternal> and i boot x at 1024x768 @ 72dpi
[12:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: it's changed
[12:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Release?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntuwin.png
[12:18] <Tonio_> I can't believe the konqueror.rc file is hardcoded in konqueror sources......; that's *really* weird, and the filename is supposed to be configurable...
[12:18] <Tonio_> nasty.....
[12:18] <nixternal> oh ya..ok..i can retake that here in a few than
[12:19] <Tonio_> kdepim works on windows now ? cool :)
[12:19] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk
[12:19] <nixternal> http://l10n.kde.org/docs/screenshots.php
[12:19] <nixternal> that is what i follow when doing screenshots
[12:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: some of the stuff, I have no clue what to write for, unless there's anything new in the past week, can I just copy it from the RC Release notes?
[12:20] <nixternal> sure
[12:20] <nixternal> just turn it into a 1 or 2 sentence selling point
[12:22] <ryanakca> kk
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have packages ready for feisty, should I include your patch from bug 63325 ?
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63325 in kdelibs "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Low,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[12:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: shall I take a screenie of ubiquity tommorow when I install RC onto my teacher's computer?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah you already uploaded...
[12:26] <nixternal> ryanakca: ya, that would be great
[12:26] <ryanakca> kk
[12:27] <ryanakca> I hope he doesn't forget his comp... again :)
[12:27] <nixternal> hehe
[12:28] <nixternal> fi you can't, no biggy, i can just pop it in to vmware and get some pics in a couple of minutes..so it is up to you
[12:30] <ryanakca> whatever's easier...
[12:30] <ryanakca> if you want to get all the screenies done tonight, go 'head, otherwise, I'll be sitting there for 20 minutes tommorow anywais
[12:31] <nixternal> i will wait for the ubiquity screenies from you
[12:31] <ryanakca> kk
[12:31] <nixternal> im going to rock on the content and screenies for the other stuff now
[12:31] <ryanakca> kk
[12:31] <sivang> Riddell: not that I recall. all of the gnome pakcages I have worked on needs an explicit call for autogen and represent that in the debian source distribution
[12:31] <nixternal> im gonna go eat now, i will bbiab
[12:31] <nixternal> thanks ryanakca for your help!
[12:31] <nixternal> will do
[12:32] <ryanakca> bon appetit :)
[12:32] <sivang> Riddell: there might be a a cdbs rule for that, not sure. I know that when CDBS comes into the picuture there is a gnome.mk class that is supposed to be taking care of everythiing
[12:32] <sivang> Tonio_: I see, that *sounds* easy :)
[12:32] <sivang> Tonio_: so buildprep is like autoget.sh ?
[12:33] <sivang> Tonio_: you are already uploaidng for Feisty is it open yet?
[12:37] <Tonio_> sivang: yes, it helps generating the tarball
[12:37] <Tonio_> sivang: but you have to call it manually
[12:37] <sivang> Riddell: moreover, it seems that not all ofthe gnome packages even have the autogen.sh thingy
[12:37] <Tonio_> fakeroot debian/rules buildprep
[12:37] <sivang> Tonio_: same for gnome packages I think :)
[12:38] <sivang> Tonio_: see my replies to Jonathan
[12:38] <Tonio_> okay so it is the same principle
[12:38] <Tonio_> sivang: I'm not opening for feisty, I put everything on my repo for the moment :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> so I have to stay synced with Riddell changes :)
[12:40] <Tonio_> sivang: concerning kde applications, they all have the admin folder (kde ones, not qt based ones)
[12:40] <sivang> ah, okay
[12:40] <sivang> which makes them easy to manager I asume
[12:40] <Tonio_> so the buildprep can be used on any kde application that need makefiles refresh (makefile.am patches etc...)
[12:41] <Tonio_> sivang: yes, it easier since about all kde applications have the same structure
[12:41] <sivang> nice
[12:47] <sivang> Tonio_: so, what would you suggest as a practice package to disect, attempt a simulated merge to see if I get along with it?
[12:51] <Tonio_> sivang: one good example of a simple kde application packaged ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> let me have a look
[12:51] <sivang> Tonio_: thank you
[12:52] <Tonio_> sivang: klibido (universe) is a good example
[12:52] <ryanakca> brb, I'm going to try to get fglrx to work
[12:52] <Tonio_> you have the rosetta patch and veru standard builddeps
[12:52] <Tonio_> if you prefer a more complex package, kmplayer is probably better
[12:58] <jdong> ryanakca: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
[12:58] <jdong> sorry, couldn't resist.... fglrx working....
[01:00] <ryanakca> jdong: need I quote you? "Wierd... All I had to do to get fglrx working on Edgy was to install xorg-driver-fglrx and add Option Composite 0 to xorg.conf..... :)             And Xgl does work too... the only think that doesn't really work is xvideo." - October 9th, 2006 11:26AM
[01:00] <ryanakca> lol
[01:00] <jdong> ryanakca: I know, I'm joking
[01:00] <jdong> :)
[01:00] <ryanakca> lol
[01:00] <jdong> nothing more patriotic than spreading the fglrx myth, right? :)
[01:00] <ryanakca> lol, *cough*
[01:01] <ryanakca> last time I even get an ATI card
[01:01] <jdong> oh come on
[01:01] <jdong> they're still good on laptops if you need the power
[01:01] <jdong> personally, a GMA suits me fine
[01:02] <ryanakca> laptops... I have a desktop... and I had the hardest time getting it set up, and then keeping it working on Dapper... 
[01:02] <jdong> as I said before, fglrx has been a good boy to me
[01:03] <ryanakca> how much ram d'you need for XGL / Compiz / beryl /whatever?
[01:03] <ryanakca> more than 375?
[01:03] <ryanakca> mb that is..
[01:04] <jdong> Xgl uses up about 100MB of RAM in a worst-case scenario
[01:04] <jdong> so I'd say 100MB more than you usually need
[01:04] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[01:06] <ryanakca> hey kwwii
[01:06] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[01:06] <kwwii> howdy ryanakca
[01:06] <kwwii> how does one check out the website?
[01:07] <ryanakca> kwwii: oh yeah, your giving the website a new look?
[01:07] <kwwii> ryanakca: yepp, but I need to adapt one of my design ideas to reality now
[01:08] <kwwii> Riddell told me once, but I forgot
[01:10] <ryanakca> kwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main  ?
[01:11] <kwwii> the mockup that flavio made was quite nice...I made some similar designs, although more based on the existing code
[01:11] <kwwii> perhaps we can implement them
[01:11] <ryanakca> link? while I'm running dist upgrade...
[01:12] <kwwii> http://flavio.tordini.org/kubuntu-restyling/
[01:16] <ryanakca> kwwii: it looks good, are your designs on paper/brain matter, or d'you have a link to them?
[01:17] <kwwii> ryanakca: I have several unfinished ideas...the biggest problem is trying to stick to the current layout/pictures and make something new
[01:18] <kwwii> if nothing else, we could make the html colors for links and titles nicer
[01:18] <kwwii> :p
[01:18] <kwwii> I would like to do a bit more than just change a few pics, as we did for dapper
[01:20] <ryanakca> we have to stick to the current layout/pictures? pitty
[01:20] <ryanakca> s/we/you
[01:24] <kwwii> ryanakca: well, there is some reasoning behind keeping the same layout as ubuntu.com
[01:26] <ryanakca> I guess
[01:28] <kwwii> but if we get enough interested parties (who know web/wiki stuff) we could make something pretty nice, I think
[01:32] <Riddell> kwwii: hi
[01:34] <Riddell> kwwii: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/kubuntu-website/main
[01:34] <kwwii> Riddell: when, exactly is the release planned?
[01:35] <kwwii> Riddell: I assume that I have a few days
[01:36] <Riddell> kwwii: thursday
[01:37] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm not looking for a major overhall of the website, just including the new kubuntu logo variant is enough :)
[01:37] <kwwii> cool :-) I should have something ready in the next two days
[01:37] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, something along that line is what I thought too
[01:37] <kwwii> I might look into the shadow effect on the bottom and the tabs as well though
[01:38] <kwwii> in addition to changing the link and title color
[01:38] <Riddell> yep
[01:39] <kwwii> no major changes in design, only in style
[01:39] <kwwii> anyway, thanks for the help
[01:39] <kwwii> today was my sons' 9th birthday...spent a long day with him, a great time
[01:40] <kwwii> and now bed
[01:40] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[01:43] <Riddell> I remember my ninth birthday
[01:43] <ryanakca> g'night
[01:43] <ryanakca> I don't.. and that was... 5 years ago.. heh
[01:43] <Riddell> it was good fun
[01:43] <ryanakca> yeah? what d'you do?
[01:44] <Riddell> went to the trampolene centre, lots of trampolenes and 20 nine year olds has to be fun
[01:44] <ryanakca> oooh, trampolenes :)
[01:44] <ryanakca> lov'em :) I could bounce all day long...
[01:45] <ryanakca> well, maybe not all day long, but still, lot's of fun :)
[01:47] <ryanakca> brb, rebooting for real now and trying to get fglrx working :)
[02:09] <nixternal> is it working?
[02:31] <sivang> wow
[02:31] <sivang> the amount of lintian warning ;)
[02:31] <sivang> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28041/
[02:31] <sivang> Tonio_: ^^
[02:31] <Tonio_> sivang: let me check :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> sivang: hehe, indeed :)
[02:33] <Tonio_> sivang: it needs love, definitly :) that was a bad example
[02:34] <Tonio_> but well that's just polishing....
[02:35] <sivang> Tonio_: right :)
[02:35] <sivang> Tonio_: so anyways, inside the /admin folder there's stuff I haven't seen much in GNOME packages
[02:35] <sivang> that is, autofoo stuff I'm not familiar with
[02:35] <Tonio_> sivang: yes
[02:35] <Tonio_> sivang: the admin folder generally comes from kde directly
[02:35] <sivang> ah, figures
[02:36] <Tonio_> it is used to generate tarballs with autobla
[02:36] <sivang> do I normally want anything with it? are there any pointed to learn about it?
[02:36] <Tonio_> no
[02:36] <Tonio_> you generally don't have to play with it except :
[02:36] <Tonio_> - to regenerate makefiles.in files using buildprep
[02:36] <Tonio_> - patching for rosetta
[02:37] <Tonio_> if the tarball isn't complete, generally adding autobla builddep is enough
[02:37] <Tonio_> cdbs + kde.mk is doing the stuff automatically
[02:38] <Tonio_> sometimes, when you have problems packaging an app that uses a very old version of admin, you can replace it
[02:38] <sivang> pretty cool, seems you guys mostly rest when a merge cycle opens :)
[02:38] <Tonio_> I sometimes do it, last time with katapult for example
[02:39] <nixternal> for release notes for the web page, do you think it would be wise to not include KTorrent, so people don't read into it, and try to establish Kubuntu with illegal file sharing?
[02:39] <Tonio_> but kde packaging is, to what I know, more "standard" than gnome apps packaging
[02:39] <Tonio_> because apps have to respect a certain structure, and packaging techniques are most of the time the same
[02:39] <nixternal> or should I include, with a footnote, which would state that Kubuntu doesn't support illegal downloading
[02:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum....... konqueror allows to download illegal stuff
[02:40] <Tonio_> wget too
[02:40] <Tonio_> firefox, same problem......
[02:41] <Tonio_> ftp too :)
[02:41] <jjesse> sftp
[02:41] <nixternal> yes, but the public doesn't link them the way they do bit torrent applications
[02:41] <jjesse> as well :)
 for release notes for the web page, do you think it would be wise to not include KTorrent, so people don't read into it, and try to establish Kubuntu with illegal file sharing?
[02:41] <nixternal> jjesse: ^^
[02:41] <nixternal> you have a little experience with this type of documentation i think ;)
[02:41] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum.... dunno in fact
[02:41] <jjesse> nixternal: i don't think it is an issue as it is obviously a part of the main inclusion and deemed not a big deal by those in charge
 or should I include, with a footnote, which would state that Kubuntu doesn't support illegal downloading
[02:42] <Tonio_> my ktorrent usage is legal, so ;)
[02:42] <jjesse> ie sabdfl or rideout
[02:42] <jdong> nixternal: my ktorrent usage is 99.95% legal...
[02:42] <jjesse> doh Riddell
[02:42] <nixternal> heh, i don't even use it ;)
[02:42] <jjesse> +1 Tonio_ and jdong
[02:42] <jdong> and IMO ktorrent 2 is a big deal
[02:42] <jdong> I've put a lot of time into it, too, so I'm happy to see it publicized
[02:42] <jjesse> nixternal: maybe you are being a little paronoid?
[02:42] <nixternal> thats all i needed, but if someone comes at us and says that we support it, then i am pointing the fingers at jdong, Tonio_, and jjesse ;)
[02:42] <nixternal> muhehehe
[02:43] <jjesse> don't remember if i mentioned in the chpt in the official book, but i think it is fine
[02:43] <jdong> go ahead :)
[02:43] <nixternal> hehe
[02:43] <Tonio_> nixternal: answer him that we support a technology, widely used for legal purpose
[02:43] <nixternal> jdong wants it pimped as that is one of his projects
[02:43] <jjesse> +1 Tonio_
[02:43] <Tonio_> it is like selling knifes
[02:43] <Tonio_> doesn't mean you support murdering :)
[02:43] <jjesse> or guns
[02:43] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:43] <jjesse> or cigarettes :)
[02:43] <jdong> though I do have to raise an eyebrow at the default search engines
[02:43] <jdong> which include ISOHunt, Piratebay, and Mininova
[02:43] <jjesse> interesting didn't even notice that
[02:44] <jdong> of course, all three of those claim to be legal and respect copyrights, too....
[02:44] <nixternal> Tonio_: i support murdering, but i prefer guns instead ;)
[02:44] <nixternal> hehe
[02:44] <nixternal> that was a sick joke
[02:44] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe
[02:44] <Tonio_> jdong: yes, default search engines should be cleaned a bit
[02:44] <sivang> Tonio_: I see, interesting.
[02:44] <jjesse> has anyone tried to boot kubuntu either edgy or dapper on any of the new Intel Q965 chipset motherboards?
[02:44] <jdong> jjesse: there's some wiki reports of it
[02:44] <jjesse> cause i can't 
[02:45] <jdong> jjesse: though it's kind of outdated (based on edgy beta info)
[02:45] <Tonio_> sivang: your servant ! ask if you have any question
[02:45] <jdong> if it doesn't work, you should really hop over to #ubuntu-devel and poke BenC
[02:45] <jjesse> i was using the release candiate
[02:45] <jdong> hmm, it should've been working by then
[02:45] <jdong> poke a kernel dev
[02:45] <jjesse> jdong thanks
[02:45] <jdong> either on -devel or -kernel
[02:46] <jjesse> its actually a chance i get to use kubuntu at work :)
[02:46] <jdong> oh man, I feel so dirty for using GNOME for a week :D
[02:46] <jdong> jjesse: perhaps a bit more info about what happens when you try the boot would be appropriate
[02:47] <jjesse> sure i'm looking up my bug report
[02:47] <jdong> ok, just checking :)
[02:47] <nixternal> hrmm..if ktorrent wasn't such an issue, how come suse doesn't ship it due to legal reasons, reguarding p2p apps?
[02:47] <jjesse> bug 66546
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66546 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Desktop CD doesn't boot for Intel Q965 chipsets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66546
[02:47] <jdong> usually around this time -devel is crankyest
[02:47] <jdong> nixternal: no, they ship it, they turned off DHT though
[02:47] <jdong> because DHT to them is a p2p liability
[02:48] <nixternal> well, they removed the dht patch, and now don't ship it
[02:48] <jdong> though Fedora has no issues with Azureus
[02:48] <nixternal> that is true
[02:48] <jdong> and that's full-blown Azureus, too.. DHT, PEX, PE, and friends
[02:48] <nixternal> oh well..im not worried about it..i will present it to Riddell and let him decide
[02:48] <jjesse> whose concenred about it besides you nixternal?
[02:48] <jdong> nixternal: I see an issue with the default search engines, but not with the program itself
[02:49] <jdong> and I haven't seen any precedent that DHT or PEX or PE is a legal issue....
[02:49] <jdong> and bittorrent.com has made friends with the entertainment industry, too
[02:51] <theine> Hi, if want to get meaningful backtraces when Kmail crashes, shall I install libc6-dbg and kdepim-dbg?
[02:52] <nixternal> well, with all of the recent riaa actions here in the united states, and congress pushing to ban p2p crap, i thought i would rather ask then present something that could be treading on thin ice in some peoples minds
[02:52] <nixternal> better safe than sorry is the motto here
[02:54] <jdong> nixternal: yeah, I guess, but I don't think there's anything wrong with bittorrent itself
[02:54] <jdong> paranoid redhat doesn't seem to object, and that's enough confidence for me :D
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Whoot :) Fedora Core 6 :)
[04:29] <jjesse> is it out now?
[04:30] <Jucato> really?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Umm... I don't think it is officially. They should be on the server but they are still 403 as far as I can tell
[04:30] <Jucato> "Fedora Core 6 arrives on 2006-10-24, 14:00 GMT"
[04:30] <Jucato> hmm.. that would be 10pm here...
[04:32] <jjesse> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule 
[04:32] <jjesse> fc6 general avilability oct. 24
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Oh I heard that they changed ubuntu edgy to be Pink?
[04:38] <jjesse> grin that's funny
[04:38] <Jucato> lol
[04:39] <DaSkreech> I broke X this morning and jumped into #ubuntu+1 and they were have some family friendly words to say about it :)
[05:07] <skreech> Why can't you ping programs?
[05:13] <skreech> Oh.. AIGLX is on by default in Edgy?
[05:14] <skreech> Nice. They probably can ship beryl by default then
[05:14] <skreech> Well I'm staring at a Console instead of rading Foxtrot 
[05:15] <skreech> Damn I hate kopete :()
[05:15] <Jucato> :P
[05:15] <skreech> Muhahahaha it opened
[05:15] <skreech> X is mine!!!!
[05:30] <DaSkreech> oh brilliant it did it again
[05:31] <Jucato> I think that was supposed to go "oops! I did it again"
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Now it's reversed
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I can use the keyboard but not the mouse
[05:34] <Jucato> er...
[05:34] <DaSkreech> the mouse it self moves but Klicking does nothing
[05:35] <Jucato> and this is brought about by Kopete on Edgy?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> no Kopete on Dapper
[05:35] <DaSkreech>  I've not had any issues with kopete on edgy
[05:35] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.5?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> .4
[05:36] <Jucato> ah... that's not.. um.. normal. never had that problem (at least with Kopete 0.12.2 on Dapper/KDE 3.5.4)
[05:36] <DaSkreech> I heard >things< about .5
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Umm
[05:37] <Jucato> yeah.. some "things"...
[05:37] <DaSkreech> I'm using 12.1
[05:37] <Jucato> oh...
[05:37] <DaSkreech> 0.12.1
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Is that a poignant pause or just confusion in the air?
[05:38] <Jucato> confusion...
[05:38] <Jucato> as to what maybe causing this "bug"
[05:40] <DaSkreech> this is exterem but it takes over mysystem nearly every time I start it
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok this may mean something but I just opened an app and the bouncing icon doesn't follow the mouse
[06:36] <DaSkreech> I thought you did that already?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> there was another one
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Two Driving tests?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> (means i can drive faster, and can get caught three times before losing my licence)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> this was a hazard perception test - computer based
[06:37] <jdong> lol
[06:37] <Hobbsee> "touch the screen when you would slow down"  "touch the screen when you would turn right"
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Sooo they have a test for people who play video games?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> 3/4 of the tests are computer based.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> the other is a driving test, which is when you first go for solo drivin
[06:37] <Hobbsee> g
[06:46] <DaSkreech> right so kopete just closed (I think X killed it since Firefox died as well) and the mouse works again
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Gnight
[11:36] <sivang> morning all ;)
[11:36] <Riddell> mornnng
[11:36] <sivang> ah, konversation is slick and nice
[11:36] <Riddell> new CD images are up and ready for testing!
[11:36] <sivang> morning Riddell
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hey sivang, Riddell 
[11:39] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[11:39] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[11:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, so you got it back :)
[11:40] <Jucato> yeah! *finally*
[11:40] <Jucato> after almost 3 weeks, and US$ 20
[11:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:40] <Jucato> at least I have it back... my preciousssss :)
[11:51] <imbrandon> heh
[11:51] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[11:51] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[11:51] <imbrandon> Riddell, new RC images ?
[11:51] <imbrandon> or final
[11:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: RC is out
[11:55] <imbrandon> yea i know that i did a install with it some days ago
[11:55] <Riddell> so that would make these final candidates
[11:55] <Riddell> how exciting!
[11:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:56] <Jucato> heheh :)
[11:56] <imbrandon> isnt there a way for me to rsync my current image so i dont have to redownload a whole new image ?
[11:56] <imbrandon> my RC iso
[11:57] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ ls -l
[11:57] <imbrandon> total 714732
[11:57] <imbrandon> -rw-r--r-- 1 root    root    731160576 2006-10-18 07:42 kubuntu-6.10-rc-desktop-powerpc.iso
[11:58] <Riddell> yes
[11:58] <Riddell> see KubuntuFiles
[11:58] <imbrandon> kk, i should have known that
[12:06] <imbrandon> any clue what this means ? 
[12:06] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-powerpc.iso .
[12:06] <imbrandon> rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)
[12:06] <imbrandon> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(614) [receiver=2.6.8] 
[01:22] <Tonio_> hey
[01:24] <Riddell> morning Tonio_, going to help in the Great Edgy CD Testing Marathon?
[01:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: keep trying, the rsync server can be fussy
[01:24] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea i finaly got it
[01:25] <imbrandon> infact i have it booted no issues so far
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I had stuff to finish yesterday, but I'm just downloading current.
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> I think I do something wrong in launchpad regarding bugs
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> how do I tag it as a edgy bug?
[01:45] <Riddell> in general you don't
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> oh
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> how do you know if its a dapper or a edgy bug?
[01:46] <Riddell> we usually assume it's in the current distro
[01:46] <Riddell> and if it's not, then it's fixed :)
[01:47] <jeroenvrp> ok, so I will add edgy in the comments
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I'll have to go out and buy one :)
[02:03] <Riddell> rewritables are the way to go :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know but I lost them when I left my old appartment......
[02:05] <Tonio_> AH !!!!!!
[02:05] <Tonio_> found it finally
[02:05] <Tonio_> a bunch of 20 rewritables
[02:05] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:05] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Fetched 414MB in 53s (7724kB/s)  <-- yay for local mirrors
[02:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: butning
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will have a question concerning konqueror and the settings loading
[02:06] <Tonio_> the problem is in konqueror, but I fixed in kds
[02:06] <Tonio_> I think we should patch konqueror instead to load kconfig settings instead of "konqueror.rc"
[02:06] <Tonio_> better to fix upstream directly than workarrounding in my opinion
[02:07] <Tonio_> I will try to patch
[02:08] <claydoh> is there a link or documentation on why the dirs in root are hidden?
[02:08] <Jucato> claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[02:08] <Tonio_> claydoh: argh ! not once again please :)
[02:08] <Jucato> hehe Tonio_ :)
[02:09] <claydoh> well I couldnt find it  soorry
[02:09] <Tonio_> claydoh: ;)
[02:09] <claydoh> well it is a contentios item
[02:09] <Jucato> claydoh: the blog post from Sime that's linked to in that wiki has more explanations I guess
[02:09] <claydoh> cool
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I discussed a lot with sivang yesterday, he looks very interested in kde packaging :) cool :)
[02:09] <claydoh> I personally don't care but there is some flack
[02:10] <Jucato> Tonio_: will we have a sort of permanent wiki for KubuntuKDEMedia? something we could point users to?(there will be *lots* of them asking)
[02:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: well it should be escribed with the release on kubuntu.org
[02:10] <Tonio_> that's the best to do in my opinion
[02:11] <Jucato> ok. gonna wait on that one :)
[02:12] <claydoh> I do wonder why so-called experienced users would find the hidden bits a problem area
[02:13] <Jucato> claydoh: they already do :)
[02:14] <claydoh> I'm dense and it took me all of 15 seconds
[02:15] <claydoh> but also a kde user for about 5 years now
[02:16] <Jucato> claydoh: well, the bottom line is probably something like this: "newbies won't even know it's missing, oldies would know (or would be told) how to workaround it."
[02:17] <claydoh> its the same as ~/.kde to me
[02:17] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:18] <Jucato> claydoh: I see you're found that little thread in KFN about it :)
[02:18] <claydoh> ya
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: only alternate to test ?
[02:19] <Tonio_> I can't test it since I only have one machine here
[02:19] <Jucato> I better post that link (wiki and blog)
[02:19] <Tonio_> ah no just found the desktop cd
[02:20] <Jucato> ooh good morning to you, then Tonio_ :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe, thank you ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: all
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I found the desktop cd...
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't test the alternate, I don't have my desktop anymore...
[02:48] <apokryphos> dang, all the mirrors are soo slow
[02:51] <Riddell> I don't think the current ISOs are mirrored
[02:52] <apokryphos> just finding that out; I was just inserting countrycode.cdimage.ubuntu.com and it misleadingly resolved the page :P
[02:57] <apokryphos> only one that looks like it should have it is trusty heanet, but the desktop cd there is a day old. Nevermind, hopefully it speeds up. What should take 10 minutes is on 10 hours :P
[03:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:47] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:47] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:50] <mhb> hi all
[03:51] <Jucato> hi mhb!
[03:51] <Jucato> ooh mornfall was here? O_O
[03:51] <gnomefreak> whos good with konq?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> someones got a weird error in konq on edgy
[03:54] <mhb> I didn't know he's from around here (Czech)
[03:54] <Jucato> mhb: heheh :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I can try to help
[03:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: what's the problem ?
[03:57] <gnomefreak> let me grab the error
[03:57] <gnomefreak> There was an error loading the module Icon View.
[03:57] <gnomefreak> 09:49 <           bertu > The diagnostics is:
[03:57] <gnomefreak> 09:49 <           bertu > /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so: undefined symbol: 
[03:57] <gnomefreak> _ZN6KParts16BrowserExtension12itemsRemovedERK8QPtrListI9KFileItemE
[03:58] <Tonio_> hum.....
[03:58] <gnomefreak> undefined symbol is what i found weird since its only him
[03:58] <Tonio_> what is he trying to do ?
[03:58] <gnomefreak> that i have heard of so far
[03:58] <gnomefreak> he says running it
[03:58] <Tonio_> opening an iso file ?
[03:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: there is no real k3b/konqueror relationship
[03:59] <Tonio_> except a servicemenu
[03:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I need to know what he exactly does
[03:59] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: he said no iso
[03:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: where is he ?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu+1
[04:32] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: ty for your help im guessing either it worked or his systeem crashed lol
[04:32] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: worked :)
[04:32] <Tonio_> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:32] <Tonio_> 044.   kappfinder kdebase kdelibs kpager kpersonalizer ktip
[04:32] <Tonio_> oups......... klipper sucks sometimes
[04:32] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[04:32] <Tonio_> [16:23]  <bertu> tonio_: working!
[04:33] <Tonio_> here it is
[04:33] <gnomefreak> cool ty
[04:35] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: your servant
[07:10] <tomaz> hy ppl.
[07:10] <tomaz> i'm having repaint problems in kicker when i'm using KPDF
[07:11] <tomaz> and i wish to try to fix this bug, but i don't know about QT. any help?
[07:46] <Riddell> tomaz: that sounds like an advanced bug, but #kpdf may be able to help more
[07:47] <tomaz> tanks
[09:31] <mhb> quiet today
[09:33] <Lure> mhb: true
[09:34] <fdoving> I haven't found a smart way to unhide hidden files in a certain directory, for gnome/gtk apps..  like 'ShowDotFiles=true" > .directory in kde.
[09:36] <mhb> fdoving: only for GNOME apps? 
[09:36] <mhb> fdoving: I fear it's close to impossible. 
[09:36] <fdoving> mhb: not only for gnome apps, but only for a certain directory, in every gnome/gtk apps.
[09:37] <xeros> hi everybody :)
[09:37] <mhb> xeros: hi
[09:37] <fdoving> mhb: some guy in ##gnome told me they don't have that feature.
[09:38] <xeros> mhb: you had the same problem with plural forms in rosetta as we in PL. Is it fixed or there is a temporary workaround for that?
[09:39] <mhb> xeros: I fear not yet
[09:39] <mhb> xeros: I hoped uploading the corrected .po file will fix that, but no luck
[09:41] <mhb> fdoving: heh :o) they do, Sime wrote in his "famous blogpost" that they have it for quite some time
[09:41] <fdoving> mhb: where? and how? 
[09:42] <mhb> fdoving: oh, you mean disabling that.
[09:42] <xeros> mhb: too bad :( it makes few important parts untranslated because translators don't want to put broken packages...
[09:42] <mhb> fdoving: I meant the hiding one, sorry
[09:43] <mhb> fdoving: no idea about that
[09:43] <mhb> fdoving: but the gnome guy could be right
[09:43] <fdoving> mhb: i mean fixing the bugs/problems introduced by the hiding.
[09:44] <xeros> ok, I'm going to sleep, good night to everyone...
[09:44] <mhb> xeros: I agree, bad bad bad
[09:52] <mhb> fdoving: oh... not heard about that, sadly
[09:53] <fdoving> mhb: not heard about the bugs introduced by /.hidden ? 
[09:55] <mhb> fdoving: I did, but not about the fixes sadly
[09:55] <mhb> fdoving: :o) sorry for the confusion
[09:56] <mhb> sivang: what did you use before?
[09:56] <fdoving> is a symlink a 'special file' ? if it is, having /.hidden is not compatbile with the FHS.
[09:57] <Riddell> sivang: in which way?
[09:57] <mhb> fdoving: it is a special file, AFAIK
[09:58] <fdoving> the FHS says: "Applications must never create or require special files or subdirectories in the root directory. Other locations in the FHS hierarchy provide more than enough flexibility for any package."
[10:00] <apokryphos> Riddell: know of any other mirrors yet by any chance?
[10:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: there's no mirrors for the candidates
[10:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: well heanet mirrors them at least, but it's just a day old it seems
[10:06] <Riddell> which is meaningless for us
[10:06] <apokryphos> just a bit of a shame that there's a day to use the ISO, and it takes half a day to download :/
[10:07] <Riddell> apokryphos: what speed is your internet connection?
[10:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: 24megabit
[10:07] <Riddell> jings
[10:07] <apokryphos> I normally download up to 2meg/sec, but here.... 15-20 kb/sec
[10:07] <Riddell> that's twice what I have, you should be able to download in 5 minutes
[10:07] <apokryphos> yeah
[10:07] <fdoving> what is it you're downloading? 
[10:08] <apokryphos> edgy amd64 daily build
[10:08] <Riddell> cdimage.u.c. is variable when it's under heavy use like it is today but there shouldn't be a problem in general
[10:08] <fdoving> apokryphos: do you have the url? 
[10:09] <Riddell> hello luis__lopez 
[10:09] <Riddell> hello tmg too
[10:09] <fdoving> apokryphos: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-amd64.iso this? 
[10:10] <apokryphos> fdoving: yeah
[10:10] <Riddell> hello TheBearded1 
[10:10] <fdoving> apokryphos: i'm getting ~1000KB/s from there.
[10:10] <apokryphos> crazy, I'm in London too
[10:10] <fdoving> apokryphos: i can download it, and put online, if you want.. then you could check the speed.
[10:11] <apokryphos> fdoving: that would be really great 8)
[10:11] <apokryphos> I guess I could've always downloaded it onto one of my servers and then downloaded from there; odd that it'd go faster there though, they're in the US too
[10:13] <apokryphos> I also normally get great download speeds from Ubu servers. It's all very curious 8)
[10:13] <fdoving> 40%
[10:22] <Hawkwind> Has usplash been backported to Dapper and I assume if it has, it's fully working ?
[10:22] <Riddell> I doubt it's in backports
[10:23] <Hawkwind> Is it available for Dapper at all anywhere ?
[10:23] <Hawkwind> Someone mentioned they have it for Dapper, but it only displays  anything if run from the command line
[10:24] <fdoving> apokryphos: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/rc/edgy-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:28] <Riddell> Hawkwind: it's in the default dapper
[10:28] <apokryphos> fdoving: 1.5mb/sec -- thanks
[10:29] <fdoving> apokryphos: nice, you're welcome :)
[10:29] <apokryphos> =)
[10:29] <ryanakca> hmm... odd how my ISP says I should have download speeds around 1.5mb/s... yes most of the time it's at 300kb/s...
[10:30] <ryanakca> 800kb/s on some of the ubuntu servers
[10:30] <ryanakca> s/yes/yet
[10:31] <Hawkwind> Riddell: The reason I was asking about the backport of Edgy's usplash is because it supports 256 colors and allows for larger images up to 1024x768 where dappers doesn't
[10:32] <mhb> um ... is there an easy way how to share files in Kubuntu (Edgy)?
[10:32] <mhb> not remotely, just locally
[10:32] <Hawkwind> mhb: NFS ?
[10:32] <fdoving> browse to the other users homedir? 
[10:32] <Riddell> mhb: public file server applet in kicker
[10:33] <Riddell> it's the most stupid place to have it
[10:34] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[10:35] <mhb> Riddell: since /tmp and the like are now (and will be) hidden maybe it's time for Feisty to enable sharing in some easy way
[10:36] <mhb> Riddell: I didn't know about this applet until you told me ... I was actually looking at the most obvious place ->System Settings -> Sharing
[10:37] <fdoving> mhb: can't you browse other users files by default? 
[10:37] <Riddell> mhb: I'd agree, but fixing the UI to that applet to be sane wouldn't be easy to maintain when moving to KDE 4 so it might not be the best time to do it
[10:38] <Riddell> if there was an easy way to do it I'd be all for it of course
[10:39] <mhb> fdoving: god I hope no
[10:39] <fdoving> mhb: i think you can.
[10:40] <fdoving> and that's normal.
[10:40] <mhb> fdoving: normal?
[10:40] <fdoving> yes.
[10:41] <mhb> so like every user can check on my ./password file in /home/martin/secret/ ?
[10:41] <fdoving> unless you set the permissions more strict than default, yes.
[10:41] <mhb> it should be the other way arround
[10:42] <mhb> Riddell: it's really like that? $home dirs can be read by other users?
[10:43] <fdoving> you can ofcouse remove the 'execute' permission from 'everyone' on /home/martin and prevent them from entering your $HOME, but you would still have to set a more restrictive umask if you want that to be default behaviour.
[10:43] <mhb> fdoving: I guess that's not normal
[10:43] <fdoving> mhb: that's perfectly normal.
[10:43] <mhb> fdoving: does any other OS/distro have such feature?
[10:44] <fdoving> has been this way in every distro i've tried the last ~6 years
[10:44] <mhb> fdoving: maybe I've used the wrong ones
[10:44] <mhb> fdoving: the secure ones, that is ...
[10:45] <mhb> fdoving: I probably need to check it with someone
[10:45] <mhb> fdoving: thanks
[10:46] <mhb> fdoving: it's not that normal, for example in Debian " Normally access to a particular user's home directory is restricted to the actual user and to members of the user's primary group"
[10:47] <mhb> fdoving: which seems logical to me
[10:47] <mhb> fdoving: but I need to know more about it before I start panicking :o)
[10:47] <Riddell> home directories are rwxr-xr-x by default
[10:47] <GNUro> Hi
[10:47] <GNUro> Hi Riddell!
[10:47] <mhb> Riddell: readable by everyone else?
[10:48] <Riddell> mhb: yes
[10:48] <Riddell> hi GNUro 
[10:49] <mhb> Riddell: and I guess no user/admin can set "Private home dirs" in any graphical tool
[10:49] <Riddell> mhb: any file manager
[10:50] <mhb> Riddell: I mean for the new users onwards
[10:50] <mhb> Riddell: as well?
[10:50] <Riddell> none that I know of
[10:51] <fdoving> so.. sharing files is easy :)
[10:51] <mhb> fdoving: yeah, sharing passwords as well
[10:51] <fdoving> you'll have to restrict access to the file then :)
[10:52] <Riddell> mhb: any passwords you have should be encrypted (which doesn't make your points incorrect of course)
[10:52] <mhb> Riddell: yes, of course, but we always consider joe users, not me
[10:53] <Riddell> yes
[10:54] <mhb> Riddell: "normal" users sometimes tend to make a small text file with a password for seldomly-used FTP connection, for example
[10:55] <fdoving> mhb: you can set DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf to 0770 or 0750 if you want to.
[10:56] <fdoving> though.. guidance userconfig probably doesn't read that file.. 
[10:56] <mhb> fdoving: OK, but here I can name a few use cases when joe family admin needs to do that too
[10:56] <mhb> fdoving: so it should be reachable through systemsettings IMHO
[10:57] <fdoving> mhb: then he does: kmenu -> run command -> kdesu konqueror -> browse to /home/ -
[10:58] <mhb> Riddell: is this feature (visible $home dirs) documented in KDG?
[10:58] <fdoving> > select directories he wants to make private -> right click -> permissions -> others forbidden
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: he wants to make all home dirs private
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: nothing public
[10:58] <fdoving> then select everything.
[10:59] <mhb> fdoving: he cannot change the rights on other users' home dirs without kdesu
[10:59] <fdoving> correct.
[11:00] <mhb> the strangest thing is such important information are almost never well documented ... it's a shame, really
[11:00] <fdoving> every user can do this for his own homedir.
[11:00] <fdoving> mhb: because this is default and normal in the unix/linux world. :)
[11:00] <mhb> security and privacy is important in this age
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: and joe knows that, right?
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: he doesn't
[11:01] <Riddell> mhb: kubuntu desktop guide isn't the best maintained document, do take it over for fiesty if you want
[11:03] <fdoving> A button in system settings saying 'make my homedir private' or the opposite (if the default behaviour is changed) wouldn't hurt though.
[11:04] <mhb> Riddell: OK, I'll try to improve on that
[11:04] <Riddell> mhb: talk to robotgeek first of course
[11:06] <mhb> Riddell: sure ... I'll collect more ideas, first
[11:06] <mhb> fdoving: the current solution is not that bad, when all users know what the current policy is
[11:07] <Riddell> mhb: I'm sure it's the same in debian
[11:08] <mhb> Riddell: a note I found on a Debian wiki page (could be inaccurate, though): "Normally access to a particular user's home directory is restricted to the actual user and to members of the user's primary group. Members which fall into the "other" permissions category (non-user, non-group members) are not allowed to even change directories into the user's home directory.
[11:08] <Riddell> it's not clear what "access" means there
[11:08] <Riddell> of course I havn't used debian in about two years
[11:09] <fdoving> mhb: i can not confirm this, but i think that is wrong, if it haven't changed lately.
[11:09] <mhb> Riddell: it's clear though that others have neither read nor execute rights
[11:09] <nixternal> \sh_away: you gotta watch out, people read them blogs the wrong way..one guy lashed out at me about my comments from america, and then he retardedly realized where i was from ;)
[11:09] <mhb> I'll go ask elsewhere
[11:10] <nixternal> well well well you kubuntoerzesisks, how is everyone doing this fine tuesday?
[11:11] <Riddell> nixternal: waiting for people to test the candidates
[11:11] <Riddell> don't think anyone as yet :(
[11:11] <nixternal> i have
[11:12] <nixternal> oh wait..link me please
[11:12] <jjesse> the release canidate?
[11:12] <Riddell> jjesse: the final candidate!
[11:12] <jjesse> ah, haven't had a chance yet and wont :(
[11:12] <nixternal> i have just installed a download on my lappy, and finally the 2.6.17 kernel, greater than the -6 release, works
[11:12] <Riddell> nixternal: if you've tested the current candidates please fill in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[11:13] <jjesse> i wonder if the release will wokr on the intel q965 chipset?
[11:13] <nixternal> ahh, i thought that was for you head honchos
[11:13] <nixternal> i can help out there Riddell!
[11:13] <Riddell> nixternal: it's for everyone
[11:13] <jjesse> me too nixternal, didn't knwo that was for the ordinary user
[11:13] <nixternal> i see the names on there, and they are the big wigs of the community...i usually just spectated that page
[11:14] <Riddell> I guess nobody read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001415.html then
[11:15] <jdong> jjesse: I hope it works on the q965... and all the kernel devs seem to think they got that down pat a while back.... :(
[11:16] <jjesse> jdong: i took the release candiate on an hp dc7700 w/ the q965 and didn't boot
[11:16] <jdong> jjesse: yeah, you told me that last night...
[11:16] <jjesse> intel dual core dc 7700
[11:16] <jdong> that's concerning though...
[11:16] <jdong> 7700.... that's the mobile core 2 duo ,right?
[11:16] <jdong> merom?
[11:16] <jjesse> correct
[11:17] <jdong> hmm, I'm not sure about how the centrino platform for c2d has changed....
[11:17] <jjesse> correct
[11:17] <jdong> I know the desktop q965 express mobo is supposed to work now....
[11:17] <jdong> I'm not sure about the mobile
[11:17] <jdong> what did it do when you tried to boot it?
[11:17] <jjesse> is that different since the release candiate, it was on a desktop
[11:18] <jdong> yeah, they're completely different
[11:18] <jjesse> well it failed on both the dapper and edgy build
[11:18] <jdong> the mobile core 2 duo should work perfectly on dapper and edgy in theory
[11:18] <jdong> as I don't think the platform/mobo had changed since core duo
[11:18] <jdong> (i.e. still the Napa mobo)
[11:18] <jdong> on the desktop it's a different story
[11:18] <jdong> can you get me a link to your LP bug again?
[11:19] <jjesse> trying to remember from my bug report but on edgy after the first screen of the slash screen nothing happens
[11:20] <jdong> hmm
[11:20] <jdong> jjesse: have you had any luck finding a kernel dev in -devel or -kernel?
[11:20] <jdong> they'd be your best bet
[11:20] <jjesse> i haven't had a chance as i've been !irc
[11:21] <jdong> well, I don't think there's many of us around (other than BenC) who have touched a core 2 duo
[11:21] <jjesse> i'll try again tonight and aslo mail benc and see what's going on
[11:21] <jdong> so asking us repeatedly is probably gonna get you nowhere .... :(
[11:21] <jdong> if someone sends me a core 2 duo for free, I'll investigate compatibility :D
[11:21] <jjesse> bummer, i might have some time to work on the computer its a clients pc
[11:22] <jjesse> +1 o nthat
[11:22] <jdong> sadly, if there is a problem with Edgy support, it's too late to do anything about it
[11:22] <jdong> I think we've already gone to the point of no return :)
[11:22] <jjesse> i know, i was hoping someone saw the bug before it went, but i guess not... 
[11:23] <jjesse> sorry internet is running slow for me so i can't pull up that bug
[11:23] <jdong> it's ok
[11:23] <jdong> in other news, IE7's actually somewhat usable now
[11:23] <jdong> even though it's still not my favorite Windows browser :D
[11:23] <jjesse> i like ie7, plus launchpad now works w/ it
[11:23] <jdong> yeah, if I'm gonna be stuck with IE, I'd much rather have IE7 :)
[11:24] <jjesse> jdong: bug #66546
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66546 in kernel-package "Kubuntu Desktop CD doesn't boot for Intel Q965 chipsets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66546
[11:24] <jdong> it was a little quirky when I used it yesterday though
[11:24] <jdong> I was using windowsupdate though
[11:24] <jjesse> Riddell: do you know if you can have a kernel dev look at that bug?
[11:24] <jdong> jjesse: the bug should be filed against linux-source-2.6.17
[11:24] <jdong> kernel-package is a set of scripts used to compile your own kernel into .debs
[11:25] <Riddell> jjesse: I imagine Ben is busy like all the devs with testing CDs
[11:25] <jjesse> ok
[11:25] <jdong> jjesse: poking Riddell is probably not gonna help any more :)
[11:25] <jjesse> grin i know
[11:26] <jjesse> i'll try and update the bug tomorrow as the dc7700 is at work :(
[11:26] <jdong> jjesse: hmm, the devs will probably need more info than that for it to be meaningful
[11:26] <jdong> like use F6 to remove "quiet" from the boot options
[11:26] <jdong> that'll spit out more output
[11:26] <jjesse> ok
[11:26] <nixternal> Riddell: what specifically needs to be tested, on the i386 platform?  it looks like there have been a few successful tests already, so having 4 or 5 people put PASS is OK im guessing?
[11:26] <jdong> hopefully that'll help us isolate where it's freezing
[11:27] <jjesse> hmm time to head out and run, i'lll update this bug tongith
[11:27] <jjesse> and tomorrow
[11:27] <Riddell> nixternal: fill in whatever gaps you can, but in general the most tests the better
[11:27] <Riddell> anyone who can test the winfoss would be especially welcome
[11:27] <nixternal> i think i can handle that then
[11:28] <nixternal> oh..i gotta go do those screenshots anyways..i will test that here in a few minutes
[11:28] <jdong> Riddell: what WinFOSS is on the kubuntu CD's?
[11:28] <jdong> same as ubuntu?
[11:28] <Riddell> jdong: no, much better winfoss!
[11:28] <Riddell> it's blue!
[11:28] <jdong> LOL
[11:29] <Riddell> kexi, kdepim, scribus, speedcrunch (and firefox and thunderbird)
[11:29] <jdong> oh, cool
[11:29] <jdong> kdepim works under windows?
[11:29] <mhb> oh bad, hit the bandwidth limit ... I'll download the image through rsync at night and will report tomorrow morning, okay?
[11:29] <Riddell> well, an old port of korganiser does
[11:29] <nixternal> derrr
[11:30] <nixternal> ya, that all works
[11:30] <Riddell> so if anyone can test the winfoss from the DVD or 64 bit desktop CD (it's just 32 bit winfoss I'm sure) that would be cool
[11:33] <Riddell> abattoir: hugs to you for testing 
[11:35] <mhb> Riddell: you were right about Debian, 755
[11:35] <apokryphos> Live ISO so far is fine except all same RC issues/bugs
[11:37] <Lure> Riddell: I have a fix for bug 67889 - can I target it for edgy-updates?
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67889
[11:37] <Riddell> Lure: sure
[11:37] <Riddell> Lure: put debdiff and .debs somewhere for me and matt to look at when you can
[11:37] <mhb> good night all
[11:38] <Riddell> night mhb 
[11:38] <nixternal> alrighty, my tests have been uploaded
[11:38] <fdoving> nite mhb.
[11:38] <nixternal> actually, they weren't tests to begin with, but i just got done doing all that stuff for my laptop, and my other desktop ;)
[11:39] <Lure> Riddell: debdiff is attached to bug and .deb is on my web server (link in bug)
[11:39] <Riddell> Lure: ok, I'll try and look at that tomorrow
[11:39] <Riddell> nixternal: those are with the current ISOs?
[11:40] <nixternal> i got them about 2 hours ago
[11:40] <nixternal> is there anything more current than that?
[11:40] <Riddell> nixternal: that's perfect
[11:41] <nixternal> heh, i was gonna use /cmd to paste the info, but i already rm'd the iso ;)
[11:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: is it worth reporting typo errors atm?
[11:41] <nixternal> it is always important
[11:42] <nixternal> but they can't be fixed until after thursday
[11:42] <apokryphos> as I thought, I'll report the bug anyhow
[11:42] <nixternal> hehe
[11:42] <Riddell> apokryphos: in what?
[11:43] <apokryphos> Riddell: well, the System Menu with "Users Folders", and in Qtparted it says "Warning, you can lost data!"
[11:43] <nixternal> Riddell: there is a newer iso than what i had..so im downloading it, to give it a try as well
[11:46] <Riddell> apokryphos: best just to fix that upstream at this stage
[11:46] <apokryphos> k
[11:47] <apokryphos> few people are as annoying about apostrophes as me, anyhow 8)
[11:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: I try to be, although in that case I'm more concerned with the silly icon next to it
[11:48] <apokryphos> heh, oh yeah
[11:54] <apokryphos> Kubuntu Device Database -- very interesting, didn't know about that