[12:11] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: if you want to move sound files into /usr/share/sounds the easiest way i know of is to use a terminal
[12:11] <morghanphoenix> Only time I've tried dist-upgrade was in slackware and I needed to reinstall after that fiasco.
[12:11] <cpk2> and do "sudo mv sound1.wav /usr/share/sounds
[12:12] <cpk2> sound1.wav obviously is wahtever sound file you have
[12:12] <MadRabbit320> morghanphoenix: /usr must be root...I don't know how to turn into a root to copy my sounds into there,  figure it's a su"something" to do it...
[12:12] <Kr4t05> MadRabbit320: sudo su
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> sudo mv, like cpk said
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> su doesn't work on kubuntu unless you give root it's own password
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> ha
[12:13] <cpk2> you dont need to enter a root konsole just to move something lol
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> sudo su
[12:13] <MadRabbit320> mv="move"?
[12:13] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: yes
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> yes
[12:14] <MadRabbit320> ok, things are getting a little less foggy
[12:15] <belsebub_> after installing dapper, booting to recovery mode gives you root access... is that changed in edgy? very curious about this :)
[12:15] <virtex> hmmm none of the screensavers work... anyone got any ideas for that one ?
[12:15] <MadRabbit320> can I su in konq to move them?
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> I'm not sure where is was, but there was a ubuntu help page for screensavers
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> I had to use it to get any of them working, and even after half of them didn't show up on my list.
[12:17] <morghanphoenix> I wanted the xmatrix screensaver, was that too much to ask?
[12:17] <morghanphoenix> Works fine in gnome, just won't run in KDE.
[12:18] <daskreech> MadRabbit320: You can kdesu konqueror :)
[12:18] <daskreech> morghanphoenix: What does it do?
[12:18] <morghanphoenix> eh?
[12:18] <morghanphoenix> the screensaver?
[12:18] <daskreech> Xmatrix screensaver
[12:18] <daskreech>  What does it do?
[12:19] <virtex> none of my screensavers are running
[12:19] <m4v3rick_> morghanphoenix: i guess it's an openGL problem
[12:19] <daskreech> Oh right that bug :)
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> It's the one that mimics the actual consoles in the movie
[12:19] <virtex> i think it's cause kdesktop crashed when i logged in :(
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> Not a gl screensaver
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> the gl ones work fine
[12:19] <daskreech> morghanphoenix: that's the only one that doesn't work?
[12:19] <MadRabbit320> tried to kdesu kate the other day, but kate never opened...didn't show in the taskbar either
[12:20] <daskreech> MadRabbit320: do it twice :0
[12:20] <morghanphoenix> No, lots of the xscreensavers don't work.
[12:20] <daskreech> morghanphoenix: I think thats a known bug. Might be fixed on edgy
[12:20] <virtex> none of mine work, not even for setup
[12:20] <m4v3rick_> morghanphoenix: openGL screensavers don't work cause of bad i810 driver, the one that mimics the movies in a screensaver owrks fine
[12:20] <MadRabbit320> why a need to type it twice?
[12:21] <daskreech> MadRabbit320: antsy machine? I need to do that for firefox sometiems as well
[12:21] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: open a konsole and do "apt-cache policy kdebase-bin" and see if it says if its installed
[12:21] <morghanphoenix> Opposite for me, I know it's wierd, but all the known bugs don't seem to affect me and I get issues with things nobody else has ever had problems with.
[12:23] <morghanphoenix> GLMatrix works perfectly, incredibly slow on a graphics card with vram measured in k, but it works.
[12:23] <m4v3rick_> hmmm
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> I've got the new card sitting here waiting for my backup to finish, so after a hundred times more vram is in my computer I may just end up using the gl one.
[12:25] <virtex> i have an all in wonder x800
[12:25] <virtex> can't wait to try and get it installed lol
[12:25] <morghanphoenix> But knowing my luck I'll break something when I try installing the geforce
[12:25] <MadRabbit320> y, kdebase-bin shows up
[12:25] <Hydra> great, and "reboot" doesn't actually reboot my pc...
[12:25] <Hydra> nice
[12:26] <Hydra> anyone got a working xorg.conf for an nvidia 6800 card with two 1280x1024 monitors?
[12:26] <instructor> Hydra: Sudo reboot?
[12:27] <morghanphoenix> Any scripts out there for setting up nvidia support? I can't seem to get automatix working since they did automatix2.
[12:28] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: sorry for the delay, vision problems...
[12:30] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: when you did apt-cache policy kdebase-bin its says installed and candidate, it said it was installed correct?
[12:32] <Zerb_Riss> is there a way to clean up the package downloads so they don't continue taking up space?
[12:32] <Lynoure> Zerb_Riss: sudo apt-get clean
[12:32] <jarn> I tried to set up a script to make the wine command do 'kstart --desktop 5 wine' and now the kstart program is looping madly and anything I open opens in desktop 5.
[12:33] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: said it's installed, etc.
[12:33] <Lynoure> Zerb_Riss: but in some cases it can be handy to have older version around
[12:33] <cpk2> there's a smart clean
[12:33] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: don't remember where though
[12:33] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: that means kdesu should work
[12:33] <morghanphoenix> 20 min later, 5% more complete, this copy speed is killing me!
[12:34] <morghanphoenix> 30 min, stupid keyboard
[12:34] <Zerb_Riss> Lynoure: not when you only have 6gb hard drive :)
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> I had several GB of old packages, I can see how that could be a problem.
[12:36] <doml_> Zerb_Riss there's clean and autoclean.  check man apt-get
[12:36] <doml_> Zerb_Riss, put that in a cron-job to run weekly (daily, whatever) and you're set
[12:36] <Zerb_Riss> thanks doml_
[12:37] <Zerb_Riss> I'll look into that
[12:37] <Lynoure> Zerb_Riss: that is indeed not much
[12:37] <Zerb_Riss> :)
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> I found a 20GB HDD in the trash
[12:37] <cpk2> Zerb_Riss: you might want smart clean, it deletes packages that already have a newer one in the cache
[12:37] <Zerb_Riss> I need to get from Breezy to Edgy on it and I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to pull it off
[12:38] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok, so how do I get my homemade cursor to wherever "it" needs to be usable?
[12:38] <doml_> Zerb_Riss, "kdesu kcron" it's your friend.
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> breezy to dapper
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> dapper to edgy
[12:38] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: can you run icoutils?
[12:38] <Zerb_Riss> yah
[12:38] <Zerb_Riss> but I'm going to have to download like 1gb of stuff for each update
[12:38] <cpk2> or icutils whichever its called
[12:38] <doml_> !obotu dapper to edgy
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about obotu dapper to edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <Zerb_Riss> upgrade*
[12:38] <doml_> !obotu edgy
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about obotu edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <doml_> !dapper to edgy
[12:39] <daskreech> doml_: What are you doing?
[12:39] <doml_> harassing the bot and spamming the channel, apparently
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> fish don't seem to be biting today
[12:39] <Zerb_Riss> lol
[12:39] <virtex> lol i have 3x 4.3gb 2x 8.5gb 5x 10gb 3x 20gb and 2x 30gb drives sitting on my desk
[12:39] <daskreech> !fishing
[12:39] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[12:40] <virtex> and a 10 and a 200gb drive in my machine
[12:40] <Zerb_Riss> well this is in a laptop
[12:40] <Zerb_Riss> I'd love to get a larger drive for it but have no moolah
[12:40] <doml_> thx daskreech
[12:40] <Zerb_Riss> so if anyone wants to give away any size of 2.5" HDD, I'll gladly pay shipping on it :)
[12:41] <dora> there is something i've been trying to do
[12:41] <MadRabbit320> 1. NO windows on this comp, 2. icoutils has been "apt-got", but I think becuz no windows; no icoutils useable, 3. got all my fonts that I use settled in
[12:41] <morghanphoenix> !upgrade
[12:41] <dora> how to mount an ntfs file system and let users access it
[12:41] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:41] <virtex> Zerb_Riss: I have a 2.5" somewhere
[12:41] <Zerb_Riss> have you been trying to give me a hard drive, dora?
[12:41] <morghanphoenix> that it?
[12:41] <Zerb_Riss> virtex: what size and are you willing to give it away?
[12:41] <Kr4t05> !ntfs
[12:41] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:41] <dora> Zerb_Riss: i just joined in, i don't know what you guys were talkin about
[12:41] <Zerb_Riss> dora, I was joking :)
[12:42] <dora> Zerb_Riss: crap! i just got it :P
[12:42] <virtex> Zerb_Riss: not sure i think it's a 40gb actually, where do you live ?
[12:42] <Zerb_Riss> Utah, USA
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> Eek, Utah!
[12:43] <virtex> lol
[12:44] <virtex> i'm in Alberta, Canada
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> That brings back memories, none of them good.
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> And I was just complaining about Seattle.
[12:44] <Zerb_Riss> hmm how much would it cost to send from there?
[12:45] <virtex> not sure it's pretty tiny, i'll find out
[12:45] <dora> what's the fmask and dmask values in fstab?
[12:45] <daskreech> doml_: No problem
[12:46] <dora> after you change the fstab, do you have to restart?
[12:46] <Zerb_Riss> thanks virtex how will we keep in touch?
[12:46] <afm\colossus> dora: like umask, except seperated for files and dirs
[12:47] <virtex> Zerb_Riss: do you have msn ?
[12:47] <Zerb_Riss> virtex: yes
[12:47] <dora> you ubotu.. thanks for the help man
[12:47] <dora> !life
[12:47] <cpk2> dora: its a bot =)
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> !botsnack
[12:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:48] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:48] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: icoutils: installed 0.25.0-1   candidate 0.25.0-1
[12:48] <dora> he doesn't know anything about life, yet he helped me
[12:48] <daskreech> morghanphoenix: Does she count those?
[12:48] <dora> :D
[12:48] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: so try icoutiles from console and see if anything starts
[12:48] <daskreech> dora: isn't that selfless?
[12:48] <driz> hey guys i need help setting up a folder to share on my network with another kubuntu box and a Mac
[12:48] <driz> ?
[12:48] <dora> daskreech: that's too much
[12:49] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: "C"onsole or "K"onsole?
[12:49] <morghanphoenix> I think ubotu lives in it's bot parents basement and subsists on a diet of botsnacks and jolt cola.
[12:49] <morghanphoenix> Either that or amphetamines.
[12:49] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: they are synonomous =)
[12:50] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: but the program you have is called konsole =P
[12:50] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok, trying...
[12:50] <morghanphoenix> Yakuake is my friend.
[12:52] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: if all I need to type is "icoutils"<enter>, I get "command not found"
[12:52] <daskreech> morghanphoenix: Hey! leave my friend out of this!
[12:52] <cpk2> hrmm alright i guess i will get icoutiles
[12:52] <cpk2> without the e
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> !yakuake
[12:53] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> everybody's friend if they use konsole a lot.
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> I don't really agree with the optional part, but then again, not many people use konsole konstantly.
[12:54] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright the command is icotool but hang on i need to figure out the options to give it
[12:55] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok
[12:55] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: I have one desktop with a maximized konsole and one desktop with 3 konsoles each taking up 1/4 of the screen =)
[12:55] <MadRabbit320> I'm really likin' the tab key in this...
[12:56] <morghanphoenix> I have lots of tabs in yakuake.
[12:56] <silox> is there any disktool / format tool which i can format my Sandisk m240 MP3 Player with?
[12:56] <morghanphoenix> I like being able to roll it up out of the way, only one screen here.
[12:56] <daskreech> cpk2: you should look into quadkonsole
[12:57] <morghanphoenix> Still keeps all my sessions open when it's hidden and doesn't use much in the way of resources.
[12:57] <morghanphoenix> half-screen drop down transparent.
[12:57] <daskreech> morghanphoenix: And draws ooh and aahhhs ;)
[12:58] <morghanphoenix> Too bad I can't get quake to work.
[12:58] <MadRabbit320> cursors aren't called cursors in kubuntu, are they? as in to srch for where the cursors hide in kubuntu...
[12:59] <morghanphoenix> I've abandoned opera
[12:59] <morghanphoenix> Finally took the time to set up konqueror for web browsing.
[12:59] <argonel> MadRabbit320: where they hide?
[01:00] <argonel> my mouse cursor jumps around randomly, without warning and sometimes in midclick, but it never hides
[01:01] <cpk2> argonel: he is talking about changing the appearence of the cursor
[01:01] <MadRabbit320> orgonel i.e. find which folder the cursors are in, so I can move "my"cursor in there so I can use it
[01:01] <argonel> system settings->keyboard and mouse -> mouse -> cursor themes
[01:01] <Lynoure> Is there a page similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta to list Kubuntu changes?
[01:02] <argonel> manually? its point and click, you don't do things manually
[01:02] <daskreech> Bye guys
[01:02] <cpk2> argonel: what does it call cursor themes though?
[01:03] <argonel> cpk2: cursor themes
[01:03] <cpk2> the extension
[01:03] <cpk2> its not .cur
[01:03] <argonel> beats me, find a cursor theme
[01:03] <MadRabbit320> orgonel, i know where they are TO change them, but where can I PUT one to be able to use it?
[01:03] <argonel> MadRabbit320: just so you know, my nick starts with an A
[01:03] <argonel> MadRabbit320: maybe you should look into fonts first.
[01:05] <MadRabbit320> argonel I have vision problems, hence the request for using my own cursor
[01:06] <MadRabbit320> argonel sorry for the "mis-pronunciation" of your nick
[01:06] <rawrness> i broke my system again! :P
[01:06] <naaronbo> anybody can help me
[01:06] <argonel> MadRabbit320: thats ok.. you were just in danger of me ignoring you because i wouldn't know you were talking to me unless i was watching the channel :)
[01:07] <rawrness> So i am just going to say screw it wait till thursday burn iso and fresh install
[01:07] <naaronbo> i have a usb wireless card
[01:07] <argonel> MadRabbit320: did you steal your cursor from an existing theme?
[01:07] <morghanphoenix> I wish they sold single cd-rs
[01:07] <rawrness> XD
[01:07] <rawrness> the packaging would cost more than the cd
[01:08] <morghanphoenix> I don't want to buy 50 minimum just cause I need to burn a new iso
[01:08] <rawrness> they are buyable in 25 packs
[01:08] <naaronbo> my system do detect this card
[01:08] <MadRabbit320> argonel: haven't found a way to display "where" the cursor is when my eye loses it; as in windows, u can set "ctrl" to highlight the cursor location
[01:08] <morghanphoenix> No, I mean like an office supply store that opens a package and sells them singly.
[01:08] <rawrness> that would be nice
[01:08] <rawrness> it would like have a copy service to :P
[01:09] <MadRabbit320> argonel: no, cursor was self made in a prog I had years ago
[01:09] <morghanphoenix> I have that, just put the origional in my dvd drive and the blank one in the rw.
[01:09] <argonel> MadRabbit320: unfortunately kde's accessibility features are still in their infancy
[01:09] <morghanphoenix> lol
[01:09] <rawrness> :P
[01:09] <rawrness> or just y ou nero
[01:10] <rawrness> use*
[01:10] <morghanphoenix> I used to use alcohol, but don't think there's a linux version of it.
[01:10] <rawrness> I think il try making my own data backup biz.
[01:10] <MadRabbit320> argonel: so starting into linux "now" isn't a brilliant idea, huh?
[01:11] <rawrness> i don;t see much use for alcohol 120..... in linux
[01:11] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: hrmm might need icon-slicer - icon-slicer is a utility for generating icon themes and libXcursor cursor themes that
[01:11] <cellofellow> I need help with an HP LaserJet 1100 over Samba.
[01:11] <rawrness> used primerly for games in my opnion
[01:11] <cellofellow> I get this error in KDE Printer thingy: Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-LaserJet_1100,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[01:11] <cellofellow> I am root
[01:11] <morghanphoenix> I love my invalid path warnings.
[01:11] <rawrness> phear r00t
[01:11] <argonel> MadRabbit320: well, you'll have to do some work in order to get what you want
[01:12] <morghanphoenix> Just linux's little way of telling me somebody tried to sneak something in on me.
[01:12] <rawrness> I love adept
[01:12] <cellofellow> anyone?
[01:12] <morghanphoenix> I've had several CDs try to install software to my c drive, I think it was disappointed when it couldn't find it.
[01:13] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok, don't remember seeing icon-slicer in the adept list
[01:13] <Erich-K> Is there a guide to help me with making a kdm theme?
[01:13] <rawrness> If i didn't store all my data on its own partion i would be so screwd
[01:13] <MadRabbit320> argonel: some work should be the "ws" name for ubuntu...
[01:13] <rawrness> i have reintsalled about 8 times in the past 2 weeks
[01:13] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, only took one time of losing everything for me to start making partitions.
[01:13] <cellofellow> Erich-K: you do need the kdmtheme package to install them. try kde-look.org, they've lots of themes and might have tutorial.
[01:14] <MadRabbit320> argonel: *s, not *ws
[01:14] <rawrness> i found using fat32 can be a pain but sometimes usefull
[01:14] <rawrness> onlything you can move
[01:14] <morghanphoenix> I use ext3 for all hard mounted drives and fat32 for the removables.
[01:14] <cellofellow> anybody know how to fix my comlaining printer?
[01:15] <argonel> MadRabbit320: there are some high contrast cursors installed by default, how do you like them?
[01:15] <Zerb_Riss> morghanphoenix: why not NTFS?
[01:15] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: me too
[01:15] <morghanphoenix> My printer's busted so I never bothered to figure out cups
[01:15] <argonel> MadRabbit320: oh, maybe they're just red
[01:15] <morghanphoenix> I had an ntfs drive, wasn't worth it.
[01:15] <morghanphoenix> reformatted it fat32.
[01:16] <cellofellow> I think I could possibly get this thing to work if I used HPLIP locally, but it's on a remote windows pc.
[01:16] <rawrness> what do you guys think of buying 1 gb thumbdrives painting,mounting a live cd with pestialence and selling for 2x what you payed for?
[01:16] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright I think I *might* know what to do
[01:16] <MadRabbit320> argonel:  I'm "legally" blind, not stevie wonder blind...no offense to stevie...chk'ed the high cons out, but they are fugly.
[01:16] <rawrness> i am trying to think of flaws in my plan.....
[01:16] <nii_> where can i download xsltproc
[01:17] <morghanphoenix> pestialence?
[01:17] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright make a directory for one of the .cur files you have from windows, put the .cur into there
[01:17] <argonel> MadRabbit320: how debian/linux familiar are you?
[01:17] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: i'm willing to try anything; although I may need some coaching
[01:18] <cellofellow> I know there's an X11 cursur themes section on kde-look.org
[01:18] <nii_> i mean where can i download xsltproc
[01:18] <morghanphoenix> rawrness, what's pestialence?
[01:18] <rawrness> morghanphoenix: The abilty to write to disk
[01:18] <rawrness> i spelt it wrong.....
[01:18] <morghanphoenix> ah
[01:18] <rawrness> since its a thumbdrive you would have that abilty
[01:19] <rawrness> casue its has rewritable space
[01:19] <rawrness> thus meaning you can have a portable kubuntu setup on any computer
[01:19] <Ash-Fox> !firefox
[01:19] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:19] <morghanphoenix> How would it boot? Not familiar with thumb drive boots, would it work on any computer?
[01:19] <MadRabbit320> cpk2:  it's in my "Downloads", should I make a specific "dir" for it? and how so?
[01:20] <argonel> MadRabbit320: how about this one? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19902
[01:20] <rawrness> iti would boot like the dsl usb
[01:20] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: just make a new directory in your homefolder using konquerer and the right click menu and name it whatever you want and put the cursor in there
[01:20] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: be back in a couple minutes
[01:20] <argonel> MadRabbit320: click on the preview image under "white large" near the top center
[01:20] <morghanphoenix> ARGH! 8 1/2 hours later 18.4 GB of 30.4 GB complete.
[01:21] <morghanphoenix> 76 KB/s
[01:21] <rawrness> fun
[01:21] <rawrness> dsl morghan?
[01:21] <morghanphoenix> From hda1 to sda1
[01:21] <cellofellow> ubotu sure know little for an all-knowing infobot.
[01:21] <rawrness> oh fun
[01:21] <rawrness> !anything
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <rawrness> nope
[01:21] <MadRabbit320> arg ok, gimme a min
[01:22] <cellofellow> !botsnack
[01:22] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:22] <morghanphoenix> I swear it copies faster with winscp on my girl's computer using usb 1.0
[01:23] <cellofellow> !linux
[01:23] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:23] <cellofellow> !GNU
[01:23] <ubotu> G(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org
[01:24] <morghanphoenix> !fishing
[01:24] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[01:24] <kjelderg> for edgy upgrade, just vim /etc/apt/sources.list -c "% s /dapper/edgy/g"-c "q" && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[01:24] <jarn> Is there a way to force a game to open in windowed mode that normally wouldn't
[01:24] <rawrness> XD fishing
[01:24] <morghanphoenix>  #ubuntu-bots is fun
[01:26] <kjelderg> (I ask because xorg refuses to upgrade and if I try to upgrade it manually it wants me to say "Yes, do as I say!" which usually shouldn't be typed.)
[01:26] <MadRabbit320> argonel: the prob (for me) is the white gets lost on a page, the one i made has a 4 pixel wide border around a smaller white arrow that shows up (again, for me) on any page.  but, thanks for trying!
[01:28] <MadRabbit320> arg, gimme a min, trying cpk2' procedure...
[01:29] <argonel> MadRabbit320: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20568     ?
[01:30] <argonel> MadRabbit320: the problem is, X uses many cursors, not just one
[01:30] <jarn> !xnest
[01:30] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 (dapper), package size 1212 kB, installed size 3372 kB
[01:33] <LogicalDash> I've just plugged some headphones in and Kubuntu doesn't seem to recognize them. Any help?
[01:34] <rag> how to install half life with opengl support or wine with opengl support
[01:34] <rag> somebody help me
[01:36] <jarn> !xserver-xephyr
[01:36] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr: Nested X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.6.1-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 438 kB, installed size 944 kB
[01:37] <MadRabbit320> argonel: that page refers to using a whole set of cursors and using "g"conf; we don't have "g"conf in kde do we? not to mention just wanting "1" cursor
[01:37] <nii_> how can i register my nikc on irc
[01:37] <nii_> plese
[01:38] <kjelderg> nii_: talk to nickserv
[01:38] <nii_> plese i need to know this
[01:39] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright once you get a .cur into its own directory open a konsole and go to the directory that you put the .cur into
[01:39] <MadRabbit320> argonel: gotta break for a bit (eye meds) post whatever u think might help, biab, thanks!
[01:40] <nii_> who is nickserv
[01:40] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: and then...?
[01:40] <nii_> kjelderg wold you please direct me t nick serve
[01:40] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: once you are in the directory you put the .cur into in konsole do icotool -x nameof.cur
[01:41] <kjelderg> nii_: his name is nickserv...msg him with the message "help"
[01:41] <nii_> kjelderg are you there please
[01:41] <kjelderg> am I where?
[01:43] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: does "-x" autom put it where it needs to be?
[01:44] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: it will put it in the directory its in which is fine for what we need
[01:44] <nii_> kjelderg i send it but i beleve you can also see the mesage it gave back
[01:44] <kjelderg> negative
[01:44] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok, in the process...
[01:44] <kjelderg> nii_: but I imagine you can read it...and that's the important bit
[01:45] <nii_> is this the way am going to talk to nikserv /msg nikserv
[01:45] <kjelderg> nickserv*
[01:47] <tincho10> alguien habla espaol
[01:48] <lupine_85> !es
[01:48] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:48] <lupine_85> :)
[01:48] <tincho10> gracias
[01:48] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: GOTTA get eye meds BIGtime...biab
[01:49] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: no problem
[01:54] <Dark_Vampire> what to do with .rpm ?
[01:55] <cpk2> Dark_Vampire: nothing
[01:55] <cpk2> Dark_Vampire: there is probably a .deb if there is a .rpm
[01:56] <Dark_Vampire> i just got the .rpm
[01:56] <cpk2> well its supposedly dangerous to install rpm's
[01:57] <Dark_Vampire> why?
[01:57] <rawrness> its not natural
[01:57] <lupine_85> Dark_Vampire: differences in libc version, LSB details, etc
[01:57] <lupine_85> some things are safer than others
[01:57] <Dark_Vampire> i see
[01:57] <lupine_85> e.g. static binaries are very safe
[01:58] <nii_> kjelderg do you know how to install xsltproc
[01:58] <lupine_85> in general, it's better to build from source than use a .rpm
[01:58] <nii_> and where to get the sorce form
[01:58] <lupine_85> if you have no choice, however...
[01:58] <lupine_85> !rpm
[01:58] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[01:58] <kjelderg> nii_: not offhand, should be a package of some form
[01:58] <lupine_85> nii_: source depends on the package ;) usually www.sourceforge.net though
[02:02] <nii_> ok then am going to chek it out
[02:03] <jarn> NARG
[02:04] <narg> ?
[02:04] <jarn> I see you. :P
[02:05] <narg> ok...
[02:05] <dragonflyseven> Sorry, what is the rename command in the shell?
[02:05] <lupine_85> mv :)
[02:05] <dragonflyseven> Thanks.
[02:07] <dragonflyseven> I was coping stuff and deleting stuff. That is much faster.
[02:07] <Rede> anybody know if there is a way to have xorg display 4:3 w/black bars on a 16:10 monitor? i'm trying to starcraft running letterboxed instead of stretching
[02:08] <kjelderg> Rede: usually that's a monitor setting
[02:08] <kjelderg> (whether or not it expands a 4:3 resolution across the monitor)
[02:09] <Rede> ahhh :(
[02:09] <Rede> my monitor doesnt have that feature, i was hoping there was a way of achieving it with software
[02:12] <kjelderg> Rede: there probably _is_ but I surely don't know of it.  it really is (imho) the responsibility of the monitor
[02:13] <kjelderg> you see, the expanding isn't done in the software so ...
[02:16] <dragonflyseven> You know how on macs there is a key combinations that makes the screen a negative image? Is there any way to do that on kumbuntu?
[02:17] <rawrness_> Use aculal nvida drivers makes everything run faster?
[02:19] <dragonflyseven> You know how on macs there is a key combinations that makes the screen a negative image? Is there any way to do that on kubuntu? (Copying to keep question in sight.)
[02:19] <tyl3r> install beryl
[02:19] <tyl3r> it has a plugin for the negative screen
[02:20] <Random_Transit> hey, is it normal for amarok to be eating up over 100MB of my RAM?
[02:22] <rawrness_> i  would not think so
[02:22] <rawrness_> unless you had like 2 gb of ramm :P\
[02:23] <Random_Transit> rawrness_, well, it is...and i only have 320MB...any idea what could be happening?
[02:23] <rawrness_> No clue :P
[02:23] <rawrness_> i only have 216 ramm
[02:23] <rawrness_> how i got that i have no clue
[02:24] <dragonflyseven> You know how on macs there is a key combinations that makes the screen a negative image? Is there any way to do that on kubuntu? (Copying to keep question in sight, yell at me if its annoying)
[02:24] <rawrness_> btw
[02:24] <rawrness_> where are you geting your numbers from random?
[02:24] <Random_Transit> rawrness_, Top
[02:24] <decco> hi
[02:24] <rawrness_> are you talking about a eyecandy?
[02:24] <Random_Transit> lol
[02:24] <Random_Transit> no
[02:25] <decco> installed kubuntu now.. and wth is the root pass? didn't get any questions about that ?
[02:25] <rawrness_> decco: for what?
[02:25] <decco> for change user too root
[02:25] <bimberi> !root
[02:25] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:25] <rawrness_> decco: youi don't EVEN log on to root
[02:25] <Random_Transit> TOP is a CLI based process manager, rawrness_
[02:25] <rawrness_> ahhhhh
[02:25] <rawrness_> noclue what that is :P
[02:26] <Random_Transit> rawrness_, a task manager
[02:26] <rawrness_> decco: if you need to run something as root just use kdesu or sudo
[02:26] <rawrness_> Random_Transit:  :P
[02:26] <Random_Transit> lists all running processes and how much memory they're using
[02:26] <decco> k
[02:27] <rawrness_> is the accual ram its using or the ammount its reservering?
[02:27] <Random_Transit> both
[02:27] <Random_Transit> it lists both in separate columns
[02:27] <rawrness_> oh well i have no clue to your problem.
[02:27] <Random_Transit> well okay then.
[02:27] <reaver_> could someone help me with dvd playback?
[02:28] <Random_Transit> !dvd
[02:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  -  libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:28] <Samuli^> !libdvdcss
[02:30] <Hydra> what's with the broken multi-monitor support?  the system settings app gives me the option to enable a second display, but doesn't let me...
[02:30] <Hydra> a) choose a resolution more than 640x480 on it
[02:30] <TheUni> now that i've upgraded from dapper to edgy, i get a bunch of python packages held back. anyone else have that prob?
[02:30] <rawrness_> I noticed that was broken to.....
[02:30] <Hydra> b) let me autodetect the monitor (it does for the primary monitor..)
[02:30] <reaver_> I've installed libdvdcss2, when I try and play a dvd it plays for a few seconds then gives an error about not being able to decrypt it
[02:30] <rawrness_> TheUni:  i couldn't even get it to upgrade
[02:31] <rawrness_> i broke my system 3 times trying to upgrade
[02:31] <rawrness_> well acully twice one time i think it installed a server
[02:31] <Hydra> and when x restarts it just fails to display anything on the 2nd monitor other than a bunch of wavy lines
[02:31] <rawrness_> but didn't know what that was at the min
[02:32] <bLaZeD> beryl/compiz both work with the beta nvidia driveers?...with no need for compiz?
[02:32] <kjelderg> huh?!
[02:32] <kjelderg> compiz works without need for compiz?!
[02:32] <bLaZeD> let me rephrarse thar
[02:32] <kjelderg> that's great!
[02:32] <bLaZeD> kik
[02:32] <kjelderg> :p
[02:32] <bLaZeD> *lol
[02:32] <kjelderg> xgl/aiglx
[02:33] <kjelderg> and yes
[02:33] <bLaZeD> With the beta NVIDIA drivers, you don't require AIGLX and/or XGL. The driver implements everything that AIGLX and XGL would offer, thus beryl/compiz work without either of them installed.
[02:33] <kjelderg> (supposedly)
[02:33] <bLaZeD> that killer
[02:33] <bLaZeD> *thats
[02:33] <kjelderg> tell me if it actually works :)
[02:33] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, im gonna wait till the new *ubuntu drops...so if it messes up my system for a 3rd time.......ill just reinstall the new os
[02:33] <bLaZeD> lol
[02:34] <reaver_> could anyone help me with dvd playback in ways other than telling me to install libdvdcss2, which I've done?
[02:34] <bLaZeD> !restricted
[02:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:34] <bLaZeD> reaver_, follor that
[02:34] <kjelderg> I've got 1 of 4 tries that have worked on upgrading to edgy
[02:34] <bLaZeD> rawrness_, lol me to...doesnt it suck?
[02:34] <kjelderg> (over the last week)
[02:34] <Admiral_Chicago> kjelderg: how did you update
[02:34] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, its not final yet is it?
[02:35] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: no, it's rc
[02:35] <bLaZeD> rc is?...i know its not final
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> bLaZeD: RC
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Release Candidate
[02:35] <kjelderg> Admiral_Chicago: vim /etc/apt/sources.list -c "% s /dapper/edgy/g" -c "q" && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:35] <bLaZeD> huh lol im smart.,.....that what i thought it standed for
[02:35] <bLaZeD> lol
[02:36] <kjelderg> it's my time-proven method that's taken me for probably a hundred (at least 7 or 8 dozen) upgrades in debians in the past
[02:36] <rawrness_> final comes out in a fewe days do
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago> kjelderg: the command to use is "dist-upgrade -c -d" or something like that
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !update
[02:36] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:37] <bLaZeD> so compiz is a window manager?...
[02:37] <bLaZeD> and berly
[02:37] <bLaZeD> *beryl
[02:37] <bLaZeD> !beryl
[02:37] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> or kdesu on KDE
[02:38] <kjelderg>   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:38] <kjelderg> (recommended process...using apt-get)
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> kjelderg: no no i know what you did, but according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[02:38] <rawrness_> There's no guarantee that upgrading will succeed! You may end up with a broken
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> that is how you are supposed to update to Edgy
[02:38] <rawrness_> like me twice....
[02:38] <rawrness_> twice i tell  you.....
[02:39] <rawrness_> last time was realy tripy though
[02:39] <cpk2> they should make an update to edgy meta package once edgy comes out
[02:39] <cpk2> that would be easy =P
[02:39] <kjelderg> rawrness_: tried it several times ... the times after the first were to no affect
[02:39] <kjelderg> cpk2: or just make it work the way it has in the past
[02:39] <rawrness_> i am just waiting till the 26th
[02:40] <rawrness_> il burn the 'stable" iso
[02:40] <kjelderg> worked great for badger->dapper, amongst the various debian branches, even to edgy one of four times :p
[02:40] <rawrness_> and clean boot
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> kjelderg: did you install kubuntu-desktop before you did this
[02:40] <kjelderg> Admiral_Chicago: affirmative.  was installed fo sho
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> It worked perfectly for me, and i updated to knot 1
[02:41] <kjelderg> ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:41] <kjelderg> (it did nothing as it was already installed)
[02:41] <kjelderg> like I said, the method can't be too flawed as it worked one of the times :)
[02:41] <ricanelite> Hello all, I had a little problem. I installed the beta version of the update that is releasing on oct 26. Now the download and the install went well. But when I restarted my Apple Mac Mini Machine my system went through the hole boot up but when it goes to your login, My monitor went blank
[02:41] <kjelderg> one ended up unbootable because init got deinstalled and not reinstalled (in each case I made sure the package manager didn't whine before rebooting)
[02:42] <kjelderg> one was an unbootable kernel (the devs knew about it and fixed it already)
[02:42] <kjelderg> the other required a reinstall of kubuntu-desktop after the dist-upgrade (was already installed)
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: log into fail safe
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> fail safe terminal
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> and type sudo startx
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> when you get the error mesasge, post it back here
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> kjelderg: init isn't being used anymore
[02:43] <kjelderg> I would guess ctrl+alt+f1 would be the way to get a terminal...this sounds like my 3th attempt
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !upstart > kjelderg
[02:43] <kjelderg> Admiral_Chicago: an init is still being used, I should think
[02:44] <kjelderg> yeah, I know about upstart...
[02:44] <kjelderg> was around when the devs made the decision
[02:44] <kjelderg> it's still an init
[02:44] <CPUFreak91> Hi, I get the error: "Another process is using the packaging database..." but I can't find anything to kill!
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> not really
[02:44] <ricanelite> ahh being that I'm new into Linux, I got scared and reinstalled everything all over again
[02:44] <ricanelite> lol
[02:45] <kjelderg> init is a technical term referring to the INITial program that a kernel loads to start the system
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: no you probably had a improperly configured X server
[02:45] <kjelderg> upstart, afaict, is just yet another implementation of an init
[02:45] <ricanelite> how can I get to the screen where I can type in "sudo startx"
[02:45] <bLaZeD> !beryl
[02:45] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> kjelderg: ah okay i didn't know that
[02:45] <kjelderg> :)
[02:45] <CPUFreak91> I deleted /var/lib/apt/lists/lock but I still get the same error
[02:46] <ricanelite> so there was no reason for me to do that?
[02:46] <CPUFreak91> Restarting X and rebooting also do not help
[02:46] <kjelderg> ricanelite: try ctrl+alt+f1
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: at the log in screen you select the session type
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: probably not
[02:46] <cellofellow> Is there a Windows 98 channel here somewhere?
[02:47] <ricanelite> so when the computer starts to boot, i do ctrl+alt+f1?
[02:47] <Hydra> wow
[02:47] <kjelderg> nope, when you are at the black screen
[02:47] <Hydra> i just installed Windows Vista!
[02:47] <ricanelite> ahh okay
[02:47] <Hydra> it's awesome
[02:47] <ricanelite> and if that does not work?
[02:47] <kjelderg> Hydra: everything you hoped for and more?
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> cellofellow: no idea MS stopped supporting 98 iirc
[02:47] <Dasnipa> Hydra, go away lol
[02:47] <Hydra> kjelderg, interesting comparison for installation
[02:48] <kjelderg> ricanelite: then we'll have to think of some'n' else.  Is this the same machine you are IRCing from?
[02:48] <ricanelite> I heard windows vista interface was nice, but still the same OS
[02:48] <ricanelite> yes
[02:48] <kjelderg> hmm...
[02:48] <kjelderg> that'll be more tricky
[02:48] <ricanelite> lol
[02:48] <cellofellow> Admiral_Chicago: I'm just having some problems with a network printer.
[02:48] <ricanelite> well thats why I got scared and decided to reinstall Linux 6.0 back on
[02:48] <kjelderg> well, reboot, if ctrl+alt+f1 gets you to a login prompt, login and try startx.  write down any error messages and then come tell them to us :p
[02:48] <Hydra> with vista *everything* i tried worked, no error messages, no problems detecting hardware, no extra rebooting, no hand-editing of config files, no fixing problems
[02:49] <ricanelite> well I dont mind trying again
[02:49] <kjelderg> Hydra: a bugproof OS?
[02:49] <kjelderg> hooray!
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> cellofellow: hmm, well I don't know anything about networking sorry i can't help
[02:49] <cellofellow> Admiral_Chicago: it's ok.
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: also
[02:49] <cpk2> Hydra: with Kubuntu *everything* i have tried has worked =)
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> try this comand
[02:49] <ricanelite> okay well to get the beta
[02:49] <Hydra> compared to hours and hours and hours of trying to get kubuntu up with a) raid-0, b) nvidia dual monitors, c) sound
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:49] <Hydra> anyway, off to bed now
[02:49] <RatKing> How do I start compiz?
[02:49] <kjelderg> maybe I'll have to try it someday
[02:49] <Hydra> nn all
[02:50] <cpk2> sound is hard in kubuntu?
[02:50] <kjelderg> RatKing: type compiz?
[02:50] <RatKing> Doesn't do anything
[02:50] <Admiral_Chicago> RatKing: csm-start might also work
[02:50] <kjelderg> Hydra: raid0 should be operating system independent
[02:50] <Admiral_Chicago> in run command
[02:50] <Admiral_Chicago> RatKing:  try #ubutu-xgl
[02:50] <ricanelite> okay, earlier when i was trying to the new version
[02:50] <Admiral_Chicago> they are better at that type oy thing
[02:51] <RatKing> #ubuntu-xgl
[02:51] <ricanelite> someone explain to me that i had to change all drapper to efgty
[02:51] <ricanelite> something like that
[02:51] <ricanelite> can you explain to me again?
[02:51] <ricanelite> it was simple too
[02:51] <ricanelite> yeah
[02:51] <ricanelite> lol
[02:51] <kjelderg> you change them in /etc/apt/sources.list to change versions...
[02:51] <ricanelite> sorrie getting really sleepy
[02:51] <ricanelite> how i get there in terminal?
[02:51] <kjelderg> probably not recommended if you aren't a fairly advanced user
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> kdesu "update-manager -c -d"
[02:52] <ricanelite> where i type that?
[02:52] <CPUFreak91> Hmm. Seem to have gotten stuff working
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:53] <ricanelite> damn this was different from what he told me
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: when you get to the terminal log in screen
[02:53] <ricanelite> all i had to do was select replace and put in edgy and then replace all and thats it
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> well there are multiples ways
[02:53] <ricanelite> oo okay
[02:53] <ricanelite> well the easy way
[02:53] <ricanelite> lol
[02:54] <BonBonTheJon> Admiral_Chicago: he should use kate, not nano, much easier
[02:54] <kjelderg> I promote the use of sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list -c "% s /dapper/edgy/g" -c "q"
[02:55] <kjelderg> very quick and easy
[02:55] <kjelderg> painless, one could say
[02:55] <kjelderg> BonBonTheJon: he doesn't have X...
[02:55] <BonBonTheJon> kjelderg: that would make it difficult
[02:55] <kjelderg> yup
[02:55] <kjelderg> difficult enough for Admiral_Chicago to recommend nano
[02:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ricanelite: first get the error you get when you type "sudo startx"
[02:56] <kjelderg> yup
[02:56] <Admiral_Chicago> one thing at a time
[02:57] <decco> anyone fixed 3d accs with radeon x200 card ?
[02:57] <ricanelite> alright im going to download edgy again and let it do its thing and then I try to get back on with the update and try startx
[02:58] <kjelderg> have fun!
[02:59] <cpk2> 3 more days...
[03:01] <CPUFreak91> How does one turn off PCMCIA and Bluetooth at boot?
[03:02] <CPUFreak91> I'm lost without rc-update ;)
[03:03] <Jucato> CPUFreak91: Service Manager in System Settings?
[03:04] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:04] <ubuntu_> everybody
[03:05] <kjelderg> howdy do
[03:05] <dragonflyseven> How do you move up one directory in the console?
[03:05] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: "cd .."
[03:05] <ubuntu_> lyap
[03:05] <Jucato> space between "cd" and ".."
[03:05] <ubuntu_> cd
[03:05] <dragonflyseven> But cd takes you back to root.
[03:05] <CPUFreak91> Jucato: Don't see a service manager
[03:05] <dragonflyseven> Oh, do you mean do the dot dot?
[03:05] <dragonflyseven> Ok, thanks.
[03:05] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: I said "cd .."
[03:06] <Jucato> CPUFreak91: er? Dapper or Edgy?
[03:06] <dragonflyseven> Oh, yes, it works. Sorry, and thanks.
[03:06] <kjelderg> dragonflyseven: where's the bots info on basic CLI navigation?
[03:06] <ubuntu_> what's your os dragonfly
[03:06] <dragonflyseven> Pardon?
[03:06] <ubuntu_> i mean your operating system you used
[03:06] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: btw, plain "cd" takes you back to $HOME
[03:07] <kjelderg> dragonflyseven: oops, wrong person
[03:07] <kjelderg> Jucato: meant that for you...
[03:07] <dragonflyseven> Yeah. I am using edgy eft, with KDE. Hense the "kubuntu" channel.
[03:07] <dragonflyseven> Oh, ok.
[03:07] <CPUFreak91> Jucato: Oh, sorry Dapper
[03:07] <Jucato> kjelderg: err.. the bot info? hold on...
[03:07] <bLaZeD> anyone here use beryl?...
[03:07] <Jucato> !cli
[03:07] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:08] <kjelderg> ah, great :)
[03:08] <kjelderg> dragonflyseven: ^^ that's for you
[03:08] <cpk2> i always thought it was cd ../. to go up a dir
[03:08] <dragonflyseven> Yep, I am looking into it.
[03:08] <Jucato> CPUFreak91: hm... it should be somewhere near the bottom, together with the Administration group (Login Manager, Users & Groups, etc.)
[03:08] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: I am right now
[03:08] <kjelderg> cpk2: .. is sufficient
[03:08] <ubuntu_> dude
[03:08] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, are u using it with kde?..or gnome?
[03:08] <cpk2> at least i use cd ../.
[03:08] <kjelderg> .././././. would also work :)
[03:08] <ubuntu_> to tell you frankly
[03:08] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: kde
[03:09] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, how are u starting it?
[03:09] <Jucato> lol
[03:09] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: beryl-manager
[03:09] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, u are just typing that at the comand promt?
[03:09] <ubuntu_> im a beginner of this thing kubuntu its my first time to use this operating system
[03:09] <ubuntu_> and i use live cd
[03:09] <CPUFreak91> Jucato: Got it
[03:10] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: work?
[03:10] <CPUFreak91> Jucato: thanks this is what I'm looking for
[03:10] <ubuntu_> what's the website to help me to understand this thing kubuntu
[03:10] <ubuntu_> any one
[03:10] <Jucato> CPUFreak91: no problem :)
[03:10] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, .....nope....when i run that it drops me back at the kdm login promt
[03:11] <n8k99> ubuntu_:http://kubuntu.org
[03:11] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: like ... you are in kde and you type beryl-manager in konsole and it kicks you back to kdm?
[03:11] <Jucato> ubuntu_: there's a Kubuntu Desktop Guide online, but there's also an offline version of it that you can find in K Menu > Help > Kubuntu Documentation
[03:11] <ubuntu_> thanks n8k99
[03:11] <CPUFreak91> Jucato: Do you know why Kubuntu runs so many cron daemons?
[03:11] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, exactly what happens
[03:11] <Jucato> ubuntu_: don't be scared of it, it's quite beginner friendly
[03:11] <Jucato> CPUFreak91: er.. dunno? :)
[03:11] <ubuntu_> jucato where you from?
[03:11] <Jucato> ubuntu_: philippines. why?
[03:12] <ubuntu_> ahh okkiee
[03:12] <ubuntu_> where both same
[03:12] <CPUFreak91> Jucato: Hmm I guess I'll turn a few of them off then
[03:12] <ubuntu_> philippines
[03:12] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: my next plan of action would be this: ctrl+alt+f1 sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx, then ctrl+alt+f1, export DISPLAY=:0; berylmanager
[03:12] <n8k99> ubuntu_ but when you start up konqueror, you will have a n opening page that gives you the choice to find out from with in the browser
[03:12] <kjelderg> beryl-manager* that one
[03:12] <kjelderg> then you'll at least get to see an error if there is one
[03:12] <Jucato> ubuntu_: whoa! heheh :)
[03:12] <LjL> kjelderg: cd $(pwd | rev | cut -f2- -d"/" | rev)
[03:12] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, adnd what exaclly is that gonna do?
[03:12] <ubuntu_> jucato where in phils. do u live
[03:12] <kjelderg> LjL: hehe...nice
[03:13] <kjelderg> bLaZeD: it'll let you have a terminal that will have any and all error messages caused by starting the beryl-manager
[03:13] <Jucato> ubuntu_: Laguna (but this is really getting offtopic :D)
[03:13] <bLaZeD> kjelderg, allright let me try that
[03:13] <ubuntu_> ah ok just asking
[03:13] <ubuntu_> jucato
[03:14] <kjelderg> LjL: as long as you are doing that ... cd `find . | head -n 1 | rev | cut -f2- -d"/" | rev`
[03:14] <Jucato> ubuntu_: no problem :)
[03:15] <kjelderg> and for safety...xargs :)
[03:15] <LjL> kjelderg: hmm, that sounds a bit too efficient. you should probably run find on the *root* filesystem, not on ".", and then check for the line of the output that matches the output from "pwd"
[03:16] <MadRabbit320> CPsorry for the timewarp, usually an hour for eye meds, 2x/day
[03:16] <kjelderg> LjL: ooh, that's atrocious :)
[03:16] <kjelderg> (sp?)
[03:16] <kjelderg> LjL: we could justify it by calling it a sanity check?
[03:17] <kjelderg> (and then alias it to cd...)
[03:17] <kjelderg> vise-versy maybe
[03:18] <MadRabbit320> cpk2 sorry for the timewarp, usually an hour for eye meds, 3x/day  famn dingers hit 2 first time...still fuzzy
[03:19] <cpk2> not a problem
[03:20] <bLaZeD> bah when i run startx and then when it all loads...i run beryl-manager and it stops x
[03:20] <bLaZeD> says cant fine wacom...orsomthng
[03:21] <dragonflyseven> Is there anything useful to be found from pinging an IP besides listening to the cool ping and making it look like I am computer intelligent?
[03:21] <kjelderg> neg
[03:21] <lijiong>   
[03:22] <Jucato> oh krap...still can't read CJK :P
[03:22] <cpk2> bLaZeD: you can probably comment out all the wacom entries in your xorg
[03:22] <cpk2> dragonflyseven: you know what you are pinging is up?
[03:22] <dragonflyseven> So far, all I have pinged is 127.0.0.1 and my router. :(
[03:23] <cpk2> and you know they are up!
[03:23] <Jucato> O_o
[03:23] <Jucato> you just pinged yourself...
[03:23] <bLaZeD> huh k cpk2 im gonna try that brb
[03:23] <cpk2> you just use ping to test reachability
[03:23] <dragonflyseven> Yeah. Its getting old. :)
[03:24] <dragonflyseven> Yeah, but it sounds cool, and makes it... cool.
[03:24] <cpk2> ping sounds cool?
[03:24] <dragonflyseven> OK, then what should I do to improve my console skills?
[03:24] <cpk2> i guess if you try to dos yourself the router makes noise
[03:24] <dragonflyseven> No, if you do ping -a
[03:24] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: read up on CLI commands...
[03:25] <dragonflyseven> it makes a tone every time it does it.
[03:25] <cpk2> dragonflyseven: if a gui can use console instead use it via console
[03:25] <dragonflyseven> CLI commands... *googling*
[03:26] <Jucato> !cli
[03:26] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:26] <cpk2> umm learn bash?
[03:26] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: ^^^^
[03:26] <cpk2> is bash a good place to start?
[03:26] <dragonflyseven> Oh, right. I didn't know the acronym.
[03:27] <Jucato> CLI = Command Line Interface :)
[03:27] <dragonflyseven> Yes, I have basic CLI commands down. I just wanted to do something practical with them. And since pinging my router isn't that useful, I was wondering what is.
[03:28] <cpk2> you could try learning BASH i suppose?
[03:28] <cpk2> you can do some fun things with that i guess
[03:28] <Jucato> though "fun" doesn't always mean "practical" :P
[03:28] <morphish> dragonflyseven: find all files on your hard drive that contain the word 'token'
[03:28] <dragonflyseven> Ok... such as what? Tell me something fin and I will try to do it.
[03:28] <cpk2> dragonflyseven: do you know what BASH is?
[03:29] <dragonflyseven> The language that the CLI uses? ie: making a bash script? I made something that calls me an idiot when I say "doh"
[03:30] <tony_> Doesanyone know how to edit the lilo.conf file?
[03:30] <cpk2> shell scripting
[03:30] <ubuntu> when i installed kubuntu from the live CD, it installed stuff on the MBR of /dev/hdc0 without asking me. i want the bootloader on /dev/sda0, how do i do that?
[03:30] <Jucato> Bash for Beginners: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/bash/
[03:30] <lijiong> are there have some chinese pople
[03:30] <Jucato> !cn
[03:31] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:31] <lijiong> 3Q
[03:32] <dragonflyseven> Right... Bash for Beginners. OK, I will look at that.
[03:33] <cpk2> is there a reason why you want to acclimate to the cli?
[03:33] <ubuntu> when i installed kubuntu from the live CD, it installed stuff on the MBR of /dev/hdc0 without asking me. i want the bootloader on /dev/sda0, how do i do that?
[03:34] <virtex> hey, what program do i use to create partitions ?
[03:34] <kjelderg> fdisk
[03:34] <Jucato> virtex: QtParted or Gparted
[03:35] <dragonflyseven> Hmmm... Everything that looks interesting I have already done on my calculator. How about some command that teaches me Kung Fu?
[03:36] <kjelderg> dragonflyseven: I think rsync has that feature
[03:36] <kjelderg> and maybe tar would
[03:36] <Jucato> ???
[03:36] <kjelderg> sed?
[03:37] <dragonflyseven> :) Actually, a matrix-character thing in the shell would be cool.
[03:37] <dragonflyseven> I wonder if such a thing exists...
[03:37] <kjelderg> cat /dev/urandom?
[03:37] <kjelderg> probably that piped through perl or sed or printf would do the job
[03:38] <SbCl3> why is reiserfs not an option when partitioning in this new graphical environment??
[03:39] <seishinbyou> It's an option on the GParted LiveCD
[03:40] <SbCl3> that's for Ubuntu, not Kubuntu, i think
[03:40] <SbCl3> or can you get it to do that on the Kubuntu live CD?
[03:40] <Jucato> SbCl3: it's not an option in any of the Desktop CD installers yet...
[03:41] <Hawkwind> SbCl3: If you're using the Alternate CD then ReiserFS is an option
[03:41] <Hawkwind> I use ReisferFS exclusively
[03:41] <Jucato> but the standalone GParted or QtParted would probably have those options
[03:41] <Jucato> poor reiser...
[03:41] <seishinbyou> SbCl3: I just fired up Gparted in Kubuntu, ReiserFS support is there
[03:42] <Jucato> seishinbyou: but not in the Live CD's :)
[03:42] <cpk2> i wonder what is going to happen to reiserfs no
[03:42] <Jucato> seishinbyou: ohayou :)
[03:42] <cpk2> now*
[03:42] <seishinbyou> reiserfs was killed /jk
[03:42] <Jucato> cpk2: hopefully, it will still continue, according to a Linux.com article
[03:42] <seishinbyou>  btw, Jucato
[03:42] <Jucato> seishinbyou: still can't read CJK here lol
[03:43] <seishinbyou> So, pretty boxes?
[03:43] <Jucato> yeah
[03:43] <kjelderg> seishinbyou:  
[03:43] <kjelderg> genki?
[03:43] <Jucato> ooh boxex!!
[03:44] <seishinbyou> 
[03:44] <seishinbyou> and a partridge in a pear tree
[03:44] <kjelderg> zannen desu ne
[03:44] <seishinbyou> Eh, it's life in the big office/city/Tokyo
[03:44] <Jucato> lol
[03:44] <seishinbyou> Tokyo...city... lol
[03:44] <kjelderg> seishinbyou: was glad to be in a smaller city than toukyou
[03:45] <kjelderg> that place was insane
[03:45] <kjelderg> though akiba surely is good prices
[03:45] <seishinbyou> Well, I live in Nagano for 3 years, was transferred to Yokohama for 3
[03:45] <kjelderg> ooh, 6 years *drool*
[03:45] <seishinbyou> Now I end up living in (da)Saitama and working in Kiba (Eastern part of Tokyo)
[03:45] <kjelderg> I only had one year at utunomiya daigaku
[03:45] <seishinbyou> Actually, I have been here almost 9 now
[03:45] <kjelderg> likin' it, I take it?
[03:46] <seishinbyou> Yes, though family keeps me anchored here, too
[03:46] <Jucato> my dream vacation...
[03:46] <Jucato> so near, yet so far... :(
[03:46] <__mikem> I also would love to go to japan some day?
[03:46] <seishinbyou> If you can program, get your way around Linux, etc., we are hiring...
[03:46] <seishinbyou> www.invio.co.jp
[03:46] <kjelderg> ooh ...
[03:46] <Jucato> ooh
[03:46] <kjelderg> how's the pay?
[03:46] <seishinbyou> We are severely understaffed
[03:46] <virtex> i wanna learn to read it at least
[03:47] <cpk2> seishinbyou: have you heard of JET?
[03:47] <seishinbyou> Pay is very good
[03:47] <virtex> japanese that is
[03:47] <Jucato> now to study programming, and hope the offer's still good in a few years. :P
[03:47] <seishinbyou> Yes, I did the whole JET thing for 1 year...
[03:47] <cpk2> thats what I am going to try to do when i graduate ^^
[03:47] <kjelderg> seishinbyou: I'm at IBM right now doing Linux Technology Centre specialising in High Performance Computers ... any openings in that sort of area?
[03:47] <seishinbyou> The pay is great on JET, you don't do much of anything...it is like a dream world for a whiel
[03:48] <dragonflyseven> OK, since you are all of topic, and I don't want to rtfm, how do you make something echo till you hit ctrl + z (or whatever)?
[03:48] <bbt> could someone help me out with samba. i just cannot seem to get it to work on kubuntu.
[03:48] <Jucato> hehe ok really getting off-topic :)
[03:48] <cpk2> rofl
[03:48] <seishinbyou> kjelderg: We do a lot of PHP and Ruby on Rails works. with some .NET on the side for one of the bigger projects
[03:49] <seishinbyou> System Administration is a definite plus as we do maintenance and setup/installation as well
[03:49] <Jucato> (could someone try to help bbt?)
[03:49] <virtex> i know php... can't read any japanese tho :p
[03:49] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: you might want to check out the #bash channel
[03:50] <dragonflyseven> You and your "don't ask stupid questions to the wrong people." Fine, I will. :)
[03:51] <Jucato> dragonflyseven: heh. I'm just saying that you might get better answers there
[03:51] <Jucato> :)
[03:51] <dragonflyseven> Ok, I will try it out.
[03:51] <Jucato> (and they're too busy in offtopic chat anyway...)
[03:53] <dragonflyseven> OK, #bash is idling.
[03:53] <Jucato> aw. :(
[03:53] <cpk2> actually kubuntu-offtopic is dead as usual =P
[03:53] <dragonflyseven> Oh, one person!
[03:54] <dragonflyseven> Who says "hello."
[03:54] <dragonflyseven> #kubuntu is off topic. :) Thats ok.
[03:54] <Jucato> cpk2: yeah kinda strange and annoying at the same time... lots of offtopic conversation here, but the offtopic channel is basically dead...
[03:55] <dragonflyseven> I will join offtopic if someone else does.
[03:55] <cpk2> dragonflyseven: with those kind of channels you just need lots of patience and someone will get around to reading your question =)
[03:57] <dragonflyseven> cpk2: But patience is boring! I will just get someone I know to teach me.
[03:58] <Jucato> hm.. such is not the way of Linux :)
[03:58] <systest> Anyone have any pointers to getting lircd running?  I can access the device, but the daemon isn't responding as expected.
[03:59] <cpk2> ok i have a very naughty app somewhere
[04:00] <seishinbyou> You know it is going to be a long day when you start reviewing coworkers' source code for some strange "bug" and find "exec("rm -rf / " . $pathname");
[04:00] <cpk2> ahaha
[04:00] <Jucato> whoa
[04:00] <cpk2> oh boy
[04:01] <cpk2> watch it was /home/seishinbyou
[04:01] <cpk2> =P
[04:01] <seishinbyou> He made a temporary directory/file structure for some routine
[04:01] <seishinbyou> and that was how he "cleaned" it
[04:01] <seishinbyou> Thank God (tm) I didn't run it first
[04:02] <varicello> 
[04:02] <varicello> when they go to liberate the 6.10
[04:02] <varicello> ?
[04:02] <Jucato> liberate?
[04:02] <dragonflyseven> The 29th?
[04:02] <dragonflyseven> 26th*
[04:02] <Jucato> 26th
[04:03] <Jucato> !schedule
[04:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[04:03] <Jucato> aaah "release"...
[04:03] <MadRabbit320> the geico lizard
[04:04] <varicello> Jucade :)
[04:04] <campbch> nice
[04:04] <campbch> anyone know why my tray icons keep lining up like --- when they have room and i would like them to line up like ::: ?
[04:05] <Jucato> campbch: set Kicker to a Custome size of 48
[04:05] <campbch> switching to larger size and back fixes it...
[04:05] <campbch> alright, ill see if it sticks :D
[04:06] <pam__> hello
[04:06] <dragonflyseven> pam: hello
[04:06] <campbch> bye pam!
[04:07] <campbch> :(
[04:07] <cpk2> lol
[04:07] <Jucato> lol
[04:08] <dek> adjusting brightness/constrast in Kaffeine doesn't work. Any idea how to fix it?
[04:09] <seishinbyou> "Can I borrow that thing that burns DVDs?" "A DVD Burner?" "Yeah" <- Yep, it is going to be a loooooooong day
[04:09] <Fenix-Dark> hi
[04:09] <cpk2> well my day here is over =D
[04:09] <cpk2> it s7 pm!
[04:09] <Jucato> lol
[04:09] <Fenix-Dark> how do i get gnome on kubuntu?
[04:09] <dragonflyseven> seishinbyou: my day was already long. its 8:00!
[04:09] <Jucato> ssshh!! don't tell him!!!
[04:09] <dragonflyseven> pm!
[04:09] <Jucato> kidding
[04:10] <seishinbyou> It's only 11AM here... still a ways to go
[04:10] <Jucato> Fenix-Dark: you just need to install "ubuntu-desktop"
[04:10] <dragonflyseven> You nad your fancy time zones.
[04:10] <dragonflyseven> and*
[04:10] <Jucato> 10:10 AM here
[04:10] <cpk2> but hey lunch is soon!
[04:10] <Fenix-Dark> Jucato, ok
[04:10] <Jucato> yeah... I'm getting a wee bit hungry
[04:10] <cpk2> but you just had break jucato
[04:11] <Jucato> no I didn't :)
[04:12] <cpk2> well you should have =P
[04:12] <Jucato> I know...
[04:12] <Jucato> :(
[04:12] <cpk2> quick run to the vending machine!
[04:13] <Jucato> bwahahaha
[04:13] <campbch> :o what was the command to refresh the k menu?
[04:13] <Jucato> kbuildsycoca --incremental
[04:13] <campbch> what exactly does that do? and isn't it supposed to refresh automatically?
[04:14] <Jucato> campbch: it's supposed to. but I think in Dapper it's a bit fscked up...
[04:14] <Jucato> maybe in Edgy it works better
[04:14] <cpk2> you can right click the kmenu then go to menu editor and save it immeadiatly
[04:14] <cpk2> that will refresh it too
[04:14] <Jucato> probably :)
[04:14] <Jucato> (although I have the command as a K Menu entry so it's quicker for me :P)
[04:15] <seishinbyou> You could be like the Windowzzz users here and place an icon for every file on your computer on your desktop :O
[04:15] <Jucato> heh. some Linux users seem to like that too
[04:15] <seishinbyou> Or multiple desktops...
[04:15] <Jucato> or some Linux users fill up the desktop with widgets
[04:16] <seishinbyou> Oh, isn't that a messed up idea.  One desktop for the sole purpose of icons
[04:16] <Jucato> heheh
[04:16] <campbch> :p
[04:16] <dragonflyseven> Icons are irritating. They make you use the mouse.
[04:17] <Jucato> just look at your regular real life desktop and you'll stop wondering why Windows desktops are like that :P
[04:17] <dragonflyseven> One summer I didn't have a mouse, so I am really used to using the keyboard.
[04:17] <cpk2> hrmm I have 8 desktops and 1 icon, my mounted cd
[04:17] <campbch> :p
[04:17] <cpk2> sometimes I have a mounted usb drive icon too
[04:17] <dylan_> has anyone ever encountered a problem where in windows the wireless conection signal is low but it works just fine and in linux it won't connect at all?
[04:17] <MadRabbit320> ok, where do I go to change my cursor? and plz don't respond "bathroom"
[04:18] <campbch> :p
[04:18] <campbch> kde-look.org
[04:18] <dylan_> i am in the same location..but if i move closer to the router it will connect....
[04:18] <cpk2> you can change your cursor in the bathroom?
[04:18] <Jucato> MadRabbit320: you can download cursor themes from kde-look.org. They can be changed in System Settings -> Mouse
[04:18] <seishinbyou> so, move closer to the router?
[04:18] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: are you still trying to use those .cur files you have?
[04:19] <dylan_> >seishinbyou< obviously thats what I did i just wanted to know if nayone else has had this problem it is a bit weird it works in one os and not in another....
[04:19] <campbch> check router power settings? i know on mine at home you can set a power level 1-10 to boost signal... linux has been pickier on this network, i see as well. it fades in and out more often, but it still connects
[04:19] <seishinbyou> My built-in wireless has worked the same in both Windows and Linux, so I can't relate to your problem, unfortunately :(
[04:20] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: y, icotool did move it, but eye still  fuzzy gonna hafta shut myself down soon
[04:21] <campbch> sw382704
[04:21] <campbch> ...
[04:21] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright if you did icotool -x some.cur then i think icon-slicer will make it into a mouse theme you can use
[04:24] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok, neverending battle to see a stupid arrow...
[04:24] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: so make sure that you move the .cur out of the directory with all the .png's that icotool extracted and then use icon-slicer...
[04:25] <cpk2> i think it will be icon-slicer --image-dir=dirwherethepng'sare --output-dir=somewhereeasytofind
[04:25] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: only extracted that one, not a set
[04:26] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: icotools -x some.cur only extracted one .png?
[04:26] <dylan__> so has anyone else experience my problem
[04:27] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: icotool wouldn't extr the one I saved as a .png, but DID extr the one as a .cur
[04:28] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: icotool only works on .cur and I was under the impression it would extract several .png
[04:29] <maryen> lo'
[04:29] <guest11101> do i keep connecting and disconnecting?
[04:30] <[GuS] > Hey people
[04:30] <[GuS] > what happen with keyboard conf? with latest upgrade of Edgy
[04:30] <DaSkreech> [GuS] : What about the non people?
[04:30] <[GuS] > well.. hey users! hey aliens! hey something!
[04:30] <[GuS] > :P
[04:30] <jon_> lol
[04:31] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: finally figured I had to cd to the folder I put them (.png AND .cur) into, then run icotool.  ran it 1st on the png; couldn't...then ran same phrase on the cur; said it extracted it.
[04:31] <[GuS] > the thing is... something happen with the keyboard layout
[04:31] <jon_> whatss up all
[04:31] <[GuS] > every keyboard layout dissapear from the menu
[04:31] <maryen> why is ubuntu considered a newbie distro?
[04:31] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: ok, we only need to deal with the .cur when using icotool. icotool will then give us (hopefully several) png
[04:32] <[GuS] > (inside systemsettings)
[04:32] <maryen> seems pretty hardcore to me
[04:32] <DaSkreech> maryen: It is?
[04:32] <maryen> nahhh
[04:32] <DaSkreech> maryen: I thought that was freespire or Xandors?
[04:32] <[GuS] > lol
[04:32] <[GuS] > what uggly lnx distros those...
[04:32] <Jucato> maryen: it's newbie friendly, yet flexible enough to accomodate powerusers
[04:33] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: np, Im making progress by leaps & bounds thanks to you (and several others)
[04:33] <maryen> well slacky users call it a newbie distro
[04:33] <[GuS] > repeat, somebody has Edgy here?
[04:33] <maryen> yes
[04:33] <dragonflyseven> I do.
[04:33] <[GuS] > ok
[04:33] <dragonflyseven> Have edgy, that is.
[04:33] <maryen> [GuS] : I DO
[04:33] <Jucato> lol compared to Slack, of course we are...
[04:33] <maryen> caps
[04:33] <[GuS] > do you have configured your own keyboard layout? or you use the default english?
[04:34] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: we are going to start clean with this. make a folder in your home directory called testcursor and copy the .cur into it
[04:34] <maryen> default works fine now
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Slack Pffft that's for wimps
[04:34] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: I was gettin' close to sticking this hd back into a windows box for mp3 storage
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Haiku now that's a distro :)
[04:34] <Jucato> DaSkreech: lol :)
[04:34] <maryen> it recognizes my special buttons too
[04:34] <Jucato> the BeOS fork?
[04:34] <[GuS] > because now with latest upgrade of Edgy.... in the menu where you select the "flag" for the keyboard layout... has nothing in it... not flags...
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yup :)
[04:34] <Jucato> ah
[04:34] <Jucato> I like the name, though I'm not sure about the OS :)
[04:34] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: then cd into ~/testcursor and do icotool -x some.cur
[04:34] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: ok, in the process...
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Getting close to a release but you still have to code your own kernel to get it to boot. That's a real man's machine
[04:34] <[GuS] > i wil take a screen
[04:34] <Jucato> ouch
[04:35] <maryen> [GuS] : try adding languages?
[04:35] <[GuS] > thats the problem
[04:35] <[GuS] > the flags dissapears...
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Hope it get's support though Would be funny to have Vista's features matched by a OS 6 years old :-D
[04:35] <maryen> i've still got em
[04:35] <[GuS] > (i am not newbie... just in case guys... lets save time..)
[04:35] <maryen> hmm strange
[04:36] <[GuS] > i've upgrade in another Edgy installation
[04:36] <[GuS] > and the same happens
[04:36] <[GuS] > i have latest packages upgraded
[04:36] <maryen> same gimme the screen
[04:36] <[GuS] > i used to configure in Spanish and with Genius KB-21e keyboard there
[04:36] <[GuS] > ok
[04:37] <Jucato> go go go Commit Digest :P
[04:37] <[GuS] > http://www.gdnet.com.ar/downloads/pub/kubuntu/Kubuntu-Edgy-RC.png
[04:37] <[GuS] > tthere
[04:37] <[GuS] > look
[04:38] <[GuS] > i've deleted all the configs from KDE, and copied again kubuntu-defaults and is the same
[04:38] <[GuS] > and this happen after latest upgrade of edgy...
[04:38] <maryen> perhaps something wrong with the es packages?
[04:38] <[GuS] > maybe... and for sure.
[04:39] <maryen> because i don't have this problem, and im fully upgraded as well
[04:39] <[GuS] > because now i cant type deadkeys either...
[04:39] <[GuS] >  i will ask in #Ubuntu too maybe is a know bug.
[04:39] <maryen> just did an apt-get update to be sure
[04:40] <Jucato> [GuS] : or in #ubuntu+1
[04:40] <[GuS] > ok
[04:40] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: now have a png in that folder
[04:40] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: just one?
[04:41] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: folder has the .cur I put there ANd a .png that was just created
[04:44] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: try icotool -x some.cur -o ~/testcursor
[04:48] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: btdt, no indication of anything done.  still ONE cur and ONE png in the folder
[04:48] <cpk2> hrmm ok i was under the impression there would be several pngs extracted
[04:48] <cpk2> time to use icon-slicer i guess
[04:49] <[GuS] > well... no one knows what is going on....??
[04:49] <skreech> Ok
[04:49] <[GuS] > http://www.gdnet.com.ar/downloads/pub/kubuntu/Kubuntu-Edgy-RC.png
[04:49] <skreech> So I started Kopete and now nothing works in X but the mouse
[04:49] <skreech> ?
[04:50] <skreech> Anyone seen that before?
[04:50] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: if only one item was there; "I;m" thinking only ONE would show up (w/a diff file extension)
[04:50] <skreech> Man I so need to jump to Edgy
[04:51] <skreech> can I Ping a program?
[04:51] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: what does icotool -l some.cur say?
[04:51] <skreech> X programs should have a ping :(
[04:51] <MadRabbit320> cpk2 slicing/dicing happens tomorrow, i have to get up in 4 hours...
[04:52] <skreech> DaSkreech: Hello?
[04:52] <skreech> Argh! That works :(
[04:52] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright night, but would be nice to know if icotool -l some.cur only lists one thing
[04:53] <skreech> Jucato: Have any extra paitence?
[04:53] <seishinbyou> Jucato isn't a doctor.  He doesn't have patience.
[04:54] <skreech> seishinbyou: Ehh What's Up Doc?
[04:54] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: results are as follows: --cursor --index=1 --width=32 --height=32 --bit-depth=4 --palette-size=16 --hotspot-x=0 --hotspot-y=0
[04:55] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: ok i guess there is just one png in there after all
[04:55] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: that what ya wanted to see?
[04:55] <cpk2> yup
[04:56] <bbt> ffs, i cannot ftp or smb to / from kubuntu / vmware winxp
[04:56] <bbt> although i can do all that from vmware and another box
[04:58] <fernando> hi! I want to install vnc4server? Should I uninstall krfb first?
[04:58] <alxsandoval> hola
[04:58] <alxsandoval> hoy por primera vez instale kubuntu!!!
[04:58] <skreech> Is it just me or has KDe consistently openend more bugs than it has closed ?
[04:58] <alxsandoval> alguien puede decir algo
[04:58] <skreech> !es
[04:58] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:59] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: I can understand having more if I started w/a set of cursors or icons, but I'm thinking "one" file yields "one" converted file
[04:59] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: there could be several in a .ico but i guess not in a .cur maybe
[04:59] <alxsandoval> linux esta padrisimo
[05:00] <cpk2> este canal en ingles
[05:00] <fernando> alx: por alli hay un kubuntu-es
[05:01] <alxsandoval> What I can not speak in Espanish?
[05:01] <skreech> alxsandoval: If you are please go to #kubuntu-es
[05:01] <fernando> hay un canal para espaol, el problema es que tiene poca gente
[05:01] <skreech> That would be very helpful. Muchas gracias :)
[05:02] <alxsandoval> ok
[05:02] <cpk2> alxsandoval: I suppose you can speak in spanish but it will be hard to get the answers to your questions using spanish in here seeing as how I doubt very many of us are fluent in spanish
[05:02] <alxsandoval> bye
[05:03] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: dunno, but my eye is telling my asp to get some rest...thanks again for helping!  not nearly as gunshy over a little penguin; penguins aren't just for breakfast anymore!
[05:03] <cpk2> haha
[05:03] <cpk2> MadRabbit320: alright i suppose you will be back tomorrow =P
[05:04] <fernando> should I uninstall krfb completely in order to install vnc 4 for remote admin?
[05:04] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: sure will; be damned if a penguin's gonna beat me
[05:05] <skreech> Ahhh Why can't I ping programs?
[05:05] <MadRabbit320> cpk2: although for a while ha was stompin' real hard
[05:05] <Kim^J> Baahh.... I forgot to sleep... :/
[05:05] <sorush20> hi
[05:06] <sorush20> I'm trying to run hardware raid, but it is not building
[05:06] <skreech> hi
[05:07] <motorhead> damn..
[05:08] <Jucato> skreech: sorry I was away :(
[05:08] <Kim^J> He didn't have much to say... :(
[05:08] <maryen> DaSkreech turned into normal skreech
[05:08] <maryen> ?
[05:09] <skreech> Jucato: Hiya
[05:09] <skreech> maryen: Ja!
[05:09] <seishinbyou> Hmm, how to get a Quickcam  working under ekiga...
[05:09] <Jucato> what happened to you? DaSkreech got shrinked?
[05:10] <skreech> Jucato: good guess
[05:10] <Jucato> I forgot to say "itadakimasu" a while ago :P
[05:10] <skreech> !webcam
[05:10] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:10] <skreech> Jucato: I started kopete and now only the mouse responds in X
[05:11] <skreech> and it just occured to me you can't ping programs esp X programs which seems deficent
[05:11] <morphish> what's the recommended method to build a kernel for kubuntu?
[05:11] <Kim^J> morphish: The usual?
[05:12] <Jucato> skreech: err... :(
[05:12] <Kim^J> dl the kernel and make menuconfig
[05:12] <skreech> yeah I know
[05:12] <morphish> a way that makes having the same/most patches including the bootsplash and all easier
[05:12] <skreech> It's taking up CPU time as well so ... not sure
[05:12] <Jucato> the recommended method to build a kernel is not to build at all :)
[05:12] <Jucato> j/k
[05:13] <morphish> Jucato: now that sounds more like what i expected to hear!
[05:13] <Kim^J> morphish: You are talking about recompiling the kernel right?
[05:13] <Jucato> morphish: I was just kidding :P
[05:13] <morphish> Kim^J: i most certainly do, but i am not talking about building a vanilla kernel
[05:14] <Kim^J> morphish: make oldconfig
[05:14] <Kim^J> then
[05:14] <Kim^J> add what you need.
[05:14] <Kim^J> I think it's oldconfig...
[05:14] <Kim^J> not really shure...
[05:14] <Kim^J> google it
[05:15] <morphish> Kim^J: and where does the bootsplash is coming from?
[05:15] <morphish> Kim^J: thanks, i know how to build a vanilla kernel, sorry i didn't specify i didn't ask about a vanilla kernel
[05:15] <Kim^J> morphish: How long have you been using Linux?
[05:16] <morphish> Kim^J: guessing? 6 years maybe, and i usually build vanilla kernels....that i don't need help with ;P
[05:20] <morphish> Kim^J: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild is perhaps what i was after.
[05:24] <purpleposeidon> what does it mean if you get a bouncey grey block instead of a bouncy icon?
[05:25] <NightBird> purpleposeidon, that kubuntu had problems loading the icon for the program for some reason?
[05:28] <cpk2> maybe that WAS the icon? =P
[05:29] <Jucato> hehe...
[05:29] <NightBird> maybe
[05:29] <purpleposeidon> cpk2: no, for all of them.
[05:29] <NightBird> ah
[05:29] <NightBird> ew
[05:29] <NightBird> do the programs load fine?
[05:29] <Jucato> ok that's not normal...
[05:29] <purpleposeidon> yeah....
[05:29] <Jucato> as in *all* programs?
[05:29] <Jucato> could be a messed up icon theme...
[05:29] <NightBird> maybe
[05:29] <purpleposeidon> yes, /all/
[05:30] <Jucato> NightBird: it will
[05:30] <Jucato> restarting X wil shutdown everything that's dependent on X
[05:30] <NightBird> ah
[05:31] <NightBird> purpleposeidon, have you tried that?(of course, killing all of those programs might make it not worth it...)
[05:31] <purpleposeidon> no....... it's the program thing
[05:32] <NightBird> ah restarting.... what Windows has trained me to do for a long time now... >>
[05:32] <Jucato> well, restarting X and restarting Windows isn't really the same :)
[05:32] <Jucato> restarting Windows = rebooting. restarting X = just X :)
[05:32] <NightBird> Jucato, no, I mean going for the drastic measure to see if that works
[05:33] <Jucato> NightBird: ehehe well sometimes, restarting X really is a solution :)
[05:33] <NightBird> heh
[05:33] <RatKing> What is the text command to delete something? I can't find it with google :(
[05:34] <Jucato> rm <file>
[05:34] <Jucato> !bash
[05:34] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:34] <Jucato> RatKing: might wanna check up on that page ^^^^^^
[05:34] <RatKing> THanks mate
[05:40] <PenguinistaKC> Does anyone have a tip for putting Konsole in the right-click context menu?
[05:41] <Jucato> F8 or F4
[05:41] <DaSkreech> PenguinistaKC: What?
[05:41] <Jucato> PenguinistaKC: you can try pressing F8 or F4.
[05:42] <PenguinistaKC> neither one seem to be working
[05:42] <Jucato> oh in Konqueror. sorry
[05:42] <PenguinistaKC> DaSkreech: konsole is buried under the system menu, but I use Konsole constantly.
[05:42] <seishinbyou> damn, guess this webcam just isn't supported
[05:42] <DaSkreech> PenguinistaKC: one word
[05:42] <DaSkreech> yakuake
[05:42] <PenguinistaKC> I would like to try to put it in my right-click context menu so I can get to it any time I want
[05:42] <Jucato> PenguinistaKC: right-click where?
[05:43] <PenguinistaKC> On the desktop
[05:43] <Jucato> seishinbyou: aw.. :(
[05:43] <Jucato> ah
[05:43] <Jucato> PenguinistaKC: would it be much faster if you made a keyboard shortcut for Konsole instead?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> seishinbyou: Yall come back you hear?
[05:43] <Jucato> or use Yakuake as DaSkreech mentioned?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> PenguinistaKC: One word :)
[05:43] <DaSkreech> yakuake
[05:43] <PenguinistaKC> What is yakuake
[05:43] <Jucato> !yakuake
[05:43] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[05:43] <seishinbyou> Yep, I'll be back later
[05:44] <seishinbyou> *grumble* stupid company I've never heard of producing a webcam I've never seen before *grumble*
[05:44] <DaSkreech> PenguinistaKC: apt-get install yakuake
[05:44] <Jucato> PenguinistaKC: it's a terminal emulator (something like Konsole) that drops down, ala Quake-style, when you press F12
[05:44] <DaSkreech> sudo of course
[05:44] <PenguinistaKC> That is cool. I'll check it out
[05:45] <Jucato> DaSkreech: the only disadvantage I see with Yakuake is that it doesn't share the bash history with Konsole... good thing it shares aliases
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Meh after a while I forget konsole exists unless firefox is being stupid
[05:45] <Jucato> lol
[05:45] <DaSkreech> yakuake existing on all desktops by far makes up for that
[05:46] <Jucato> without Konsole, yakuake would be gimped :)
[05:46] <flaccid> i'm going to run out of beer. not good.
[05:46] <Jucato> flaccid: time to drink something healthier then :P
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Bacardi 151 Rum!!!!!!!!
[05:47] <Jucato> kubuntu: I'm only saying that because Yakuake uses a lot of Konsole's settings/features
[05:47] <flaccid> sure Hawkwind send it to me
[05:47] <Jucato> night Hawkwind :)
[05:47] <flaccid> hey Hawkwind realise i was right bout mp3/k3b?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Night Hawkwind
[05:47] <kubuntu> Jucato: i'm only saying that because i wanted to say something
[05:47] <virtex> how do i manually mount a drive as root but give other users access ?
[05:47] <kubuntu> Hawkwind: 'night :)
[05:47] <Jucato> kubuntu: ok. if you say so :)
[05:48] <virtex> what options do i need to use
[05:50] <virtex> anyone ?
[05:50] <morghanphoenix> how do you check your kernel version
[05:51] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: uname -r
[05:51] <DaSkreech> virtex: users
[05:51] <DaSkreech> and try man mount :)
[05:52] <virtex> i'm in man mount and i've used the users command in the fstab i just wanted to mount it and copy some stuff off it and then i'm taking it out so i didn't wanna add it to the fstab
[05:53] <morghanphoenix> Thanks, this display is killing my eyes, trying to enable nvidia support to replace the old ati card I just pulled, the flickering is killing my eyes.
[05:55] <DaSkreech> How do I select the address bar in konqueror without destroying the URL?
[05:55] <morghanphoenix> Cross your fingers for me, restarting x
[05:56] <Jucato> DaSkreech: F6 or Ctrl+L?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Ah F6
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+l destroys the URL
[05:57] <Jucato> it does?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:57] <Jucato> never destroyed it for me. all it does is highlight the URL
[05:57] <Jucato> which F6 does too
[05:59] <morghanphoenix>  I can see again
[05:59] <Jucato> hehe :)
[05:59] <Jucato> you're no longer X-blind
[06:00] <morghanphoenix> Wow, running a nvidia card when you're set up for an ati one is nasty
[06:00] <morghanphoenix> I just multiplied my vram by about 100 times though
[06:00] <morghanphoenix> so it's all good in the end
[06:01] <morghanphoenix> I can barely see all the little words
[06:01] <morghanphoenix> eek, that's why, 2048x1536!
[06:02] <morghanphoenix> How do I check direct rendering, make sure it's on?
[06:02] <Jucato> glxgears ?
[06:03] <bbt> glxinfo|grep direct
[06:03] <Jucato> oh there :)
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> YES!
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> Finally
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> I pays to use a video card made in this millinium
[06:05] <DaSkreech> morghanphoenix: No YOU pay to use a Video card made in this millenium
[06:05] <morghanphoenix> true, but only $40, so I think it was well worth it.
[06:06] <morghanphoenix> nvidia geforce mx4000
[06:06] <DaSkreech> They gypped ya :)
[06:06] <Jucato> heh that's my card, too :P
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Gyyyyyp
[06:07] <morghanphoenix> Only place that'd let me take it back if it didn't work
[06:07] <Jucato> NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000 128MB RAM :P
[06:07] <morghanphoenix> paid for the insurance, I guess.
[06:07] <Jucato> it's the best among the cheapest at the time I bought it (a year ago)
[06:08] <Galathalion> if u accept a picture in kopete, where is it saved?
[06:08] <Galathalion> :>
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> Check your kopete settings
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> it's got a section for downloads, the path is there
[06:09] <Galathalion> cant find anything
[06:09] <jon_> i know this may not be the right place to ask but none of the other ubuntu channels seem to hear me
[06:10] <Jucato> Galathalion: try in ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete ?
[06:10] <jon_> i changed an option in my gtk themes and now gnome is trashed
[06:10] <jon_> is there a way to revert to default
[06:10] <morghanphoenix> how do you add xscreensavers to your screen saver options?
[06:10] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: the ones installed with the xscreensavers package?
[06:11] <Jucato> it has its own configuration dialog. won't see in KDE's screensaver settings
[06:11] <morghanphoenix> Yes, just added the package, but no new screensavers
[06:11] <DaSkreech> jon_: Which option?
[06:12] <jon_> i was looking at icon packages
[06:12] <Jucato> like I said, it does its own thing. KDE won't control it. I forgot which command launches the xscreensaver settings though
[06:12] <jon_> and i clicked one and it killed everything
[06:12] <jon_> specifically the error i get if i try to run gnome-theme-manager is "(gnome-theme-manager:21770): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme file for kubuntu has no directories"
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ?
[06:13] <jon_> i clicked the kubuntu icon set
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:13] <DaSkreech> can you run gnome-theme-manager from the command line?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> and point it at something correct?
[06:13] <jon_> thats the error i get when i run it and it quits
[06:14] <DaSkreech> jon_: And you tried pointing it to a correct icon set?
[06:14] <jon_> i was just looking around, i have no idea if the kubuntu icon set was correct, but now i have no way of changing it back that i know of
[06:15] <jon_> is there a .conf file i can revert
[06:16] <virtex> i got all the drives mounted but can't write to the new linux partitions i made..... added defaults and users to the fstab for options do i need to add other things ???
[06:16] <jon_> DaSkreech: is there a settings file that contains the theme info i can just remove/revert
[06:17] <DaSkreech> jon_: I would highly suspect so. Looked in ~/.gnome ?
[06:17] <jon_> nothing there that looks relevant
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Where else have you asked?
[06:18] <jon_> i tried ubuntu and ubuntu+1 but no one responded
[06:18] <DaSkreech> at all?
[06:19] <jon_> at all
[06:19] <DaSkreech> this is edgy?
[06:19] <jon_> yeah
[06:19] <jon_> but i wouldnt think it would be specific
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Me either
[06:20] <DaSkreech> the man file doesn't point you anywhere?
[06:21] <Jucato> most of the active guys in #ubuntu are probably sleeping... (12mn in EST, 4am in UTC)
[06:21] <jon_> nope
[06:23] <DaSkreech> does lsof have anything useful?
[06:26] <jon_> im not sure what that is
[06:26] <lainproliant> hello :)
[06:26] <lainproliant> What is the proper way to install kdevelop3?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install kdevelop?
[06:27] <sudharsh> lainproliant: apt-get install kdevelop?
[06:27] <lainproliant> it works and all (after i fix its quirks with automake), but what do i need in order to compile KDE apps and Qt and such?
[06:27] <lainproliant> yeah i know
[06:27] <lainproliant> sudo aptitude install kdevelop3
[06:27] <lainproliant> what i mean is what is the proper way to install support for compiling KDE apps?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get build-dep kde I think
[06:28] <lainproliant> i can compile the simplest of console apps but i get lots of undeclared stuff when i go and try to compile the KDE Application Hello World, and i know that this must be because of missing dev libraries
[06:28] <lainproliant> build-dep-kde?
[06:28] <lainproliant> oh
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Assuming that you have your source repos
[06:28] <lainproliant> i do
[06:29] <lainproliant> cool ^_^
[06:29] <lainproliant> hopefully this works
[06:29] <lainproliant> i can't wait to get to GUI development :P
[06:30] <dhq> how to to install bluetooth
[06:30] <dhq> i use kde
[06:30] <lainproliant> i am somewhat new with Linux but I adapt very well to GUI toolkits
[06:31] <dhq> fdoving: you there
[06:31] <lainproliant> ^_^
[06:31] <lainproliant> i <3 kde
[06:32] <morghanphoenix> Thanks for reminding me I needed build-essential on my fresh install, always seem to forget that.
[06:32] <lainproliant> lol yeah its kinda creepy to not be able to compile stuff immediately :P it catches you off guard lol
[06:33] <morghanphoenix> Only distro I've used that doesn't have it to begin with.
[06:34] <lainproliant> hmm >_>
[06:34] <morghanphoenix> Argh, openssh-server too, all these little things I keep forgetting I need.
[06:34] <lainproliant> stlll getting funny compile time errors
[06:35] <lainproliant> *** Creating Makefile templates
[06:35] <lainproliant> aclocal.m4:5298: invalid unused variable name: `SSL_LDFLAGS'
[06:35] <lainproliant> and so on
[06:35] <DaSkreech> jon_: #fedora ? :-)
[06:36] <lainproliant> i have a feeling that something is up with my build enviornment
[06:36] <Galathalion> how do i unrar a .rar?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Galathalion: you install unrar
[06:37] <sudharsh> Galathalion: you gotta install rar
[06:37] <Galathalion> wich one?
[06:39] <jon_> DaSkreech: i'll try there
[06:39] <DaSkreech> !unrar
[06:40] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[06:40] <lainproliant> meh something has to be wacky
[06:40] <lainproliant> tutorials show very little to no setup needed after installing KDevelop before compiling programs
[06:40] <lainproliant> and i'm having all kinds of quirky errors lol
[06:41] <Galathalion> when i try t unrar a file it says it failed
[06:41] <Galathalion> :<
[06:42] <morghanphoenix> You have permission for the path?
[06:42] <Galathalion> meaning im root?
[06:42] <lainproliant> yeah Galathalion try sudo in front of your command
[06:43] <lainproliant> and then enter your root password when prompted
[06:45] <Galathalion> ok i got it thnx
[06:46] <jon_> (gtk-theme-switch2:22460): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme file for tango has no directories
[06:46] <jon_> oops, wrong channel
[06:48] <lainproliant> Grr :(
[06:48] <lainproliant> KDevelop is making me mad :P
[06:48] <lainproliant> it looks like lots of fun but i can't get projects to compile
[06:49] <lainproliant> aclocal.m4:1850: invalid unused variable name: `KDE_LDFLAGS'
[06:49] <lainproliant> and many others lol
[06:49] <xsacha> :(
[06:49] <lainproliant> this happens during the step "Creating Makefile templates"
[06:49] <lainproliant> it is something really simple
[06:49] <lainproliant> it looks like a bunch of undeclared variables
[06:49] <lainproliant> meaning that some package must be missing
[06:49] <marc_> What do I need to do to make konqueror allow me to see "/" as a normal user?
[06:49] <lainproliant> but i don't know what it is that is missing lol
[06:49] <xsacha> i've never compiled anything on linux yet, only windows -- do a lot of c++ work on there
[06:50] <lainproliant> kdesu konqueror /
[06:50] <lainproliant> same here
[06:50] <xsacha> he means as a normal user :P
[06:50] <lainproliant> oh
[06:50] <lainproliant> hehe
[06:50] <lainproliant> oopses
[06:50] <xsacha> well /bin and /etc still work as normal user but you cant see them, so there must be an option
[06:50] <xsacha> someone said ctrl+F6 once or something, im gonna test it out
[06:51] <morghanphoenix> I don't like this chess engine, I have it set on retarded and it's still stomping me.
[06:51] <lainproliant> well, i'm going to see how much luck i have with Anjuta
[06:51] <marc_> Its very annoying and the ctrl+f6does not work
[06:51] <morghanphoenix> I know I'm not that good, but I'm definatly not that bad either.
[06:51] <lainproliant> if i get the same kinds of problems then there is something terribly wrong with my build enviornment and i need to repair it
[06:52] <xsacha> ok marc_ run it as sudo but then right click -> properties and make your user be able to view contents
[06:52] <xsacha> in Permissions
[06:52] <lainproliant> ah cool
[06:52] <lainproliant> that would work
[06:53] <lainproliant> hello morphish
[06:53] <lainproliant> how are you today?
[06:53] <morphish> lainproliant: uh, ok? you?
[06:53] <lainproliant> doing good ^_^
[06:53] <lainproliant> trying to figure out why KDevelop is barfing at me
[06:54] <lainproliant> lol sorries :(
[06:54] <lainproliant> lol
[06:55] <morphish> lainproliant: np, no need to :(
[06:55] <lainproliant> okies
[06:55] <xsacha> hehe messing around with beryl :D 300 dps on this sucky video card
[06:55] <xsacha> fps*
[06:55] <lainproliant> lol
[06:55] <lainproliant> wow
[06:56] <lainproliant> My friend has Beryl on his PPC Mac and it works pretty well
[06:56] <lainproliant> he runs Gentoo
[06:56] <morghanphoenix> Wow, 3d acceleration makes a LOT of difference, drops my cpu usage a great deal too.
[06:56] <xsacha> radeon 9600... 300 fps... i get 40 fps on vista aero :(
[06:56] <lainproliant> yeah
[06:56] <xsacha> i never go above 10% cpu usage either
[06:56] <lainproliant> aww
[06:56] <xsacha> i dont know about those effects like "burn" though, havent tested those out yet
[06:57] <morghanphoenix> I was using an ati rage 128 pro untill an hour ago
[06:57] <xsacha> hah
[06:57] <morghanphoenix> made in '98
[06:57] <xsacha> yeah
[06:57] <SHRIKEE> how to check if 3d acceleration is on?
[06:57] <morghanphoenix> top of the line then
[06:57] <SHRIKEE> and if its not, how to do it
[06:57] <xsacha> SHRIKEE:  glxinfo | grep direct
[06:57] <SHRIKEE> thanks
[06:57] <xsacha> if you're in Xgl, it will say no but it is really yes
[06:58] <xsacha> Xgl means you do have 3d acceleration :)
[06:58] <SHRIKEE> that tells me "direct rendering: yes"
[06:58] <xsacha> good you have 3d accel
[06:58] <morghanphoenix> I can actually see the purtee pikturz when the screensavers kick in, I had to use blank screen before.
[06:58] <SHRIKEE> thanks :)
[06:59] <morghanphoenix> Next test, can I play bobsled with a penguin?
[06:59] <lainproliant> hmm Anjuta fails
[06:59] <lainproliant> but i think i know at least half of what is missing in its case
[07:01] <SHRIKEE> can anyone tell me how to determine my chipset, to see if its supported in lm-sensors?
[07:02] <xsacha> lspci -nv
[07:02] <morghanphoenix> Where do the KDM setting hide? It was in system settings before, am I possibly missing a package? Trying to spice up my log in screen just a bit.
[07:02] <fignew> SHRIKEE: what information do you want from lm-sensors?
[07:02] <fignew> just temp?
[07:03] <xsacha> morg, advanced -> session manager?
[07:03] <fignew> or also fanspeed?
[07:03] <SHRIKEE> well, when i install lm-sensors it doesnt detect anything
[07:03] <xsacha> i think he means his videocard
[07:03] <SHRIKEE> im on a centrino laptop and i need to control my fan indeed
[07:03] <morghanphoenix> where is session manager?
[07:03] <xsacha> in advanced
[07:03] <fignew> SHRIKEE: I don't think lm-sensors will let you change fanspeed
[07:03] <fignew> but
[07:03] <fignew> 1 sec
[07:03] <SHRIKEE> hmm, how can i do it then?
[07:04] <morghanphoenix> Nothing says advanced, do I need to use kcontrol?
[07:04] <SHRIKEE> morgan open k-menu and click system settings
[07:04] <SHRIKEE> theres a advanced section there i believe
[07:04] <fignew> SHRIKEE: run acpi -V
[07:04] <xsacha> morghanphoenix: KDE 3.5.5 System Settings->Advanced ?
[07:04] <morghanphoenix> Nope
[07:04] <xsacha> it will be up the top
[07:05] <morghanphoenix> Nothing up top.
[07:05] <SHRIKEE> acpi -v, hold on
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Good night all
[07:05] <fignew> capital V
[07:05] <xsacha> it has General and Advanced up the top
[07:05] <SHRIKEE>      Battery 1: charged, 100%
[07:05] <SHRIKEE> No support for device type: thermal
[07:05] <SHRIKEE>   AC Adapter 1: on-line
[07:05] <xsacha> underneath File | View | Settings
[07:05] <fignew> wow
[07:05] <morghanphoenix> No menus
[07:05] <fignew> what type of laptop is it?
[07:05] <SHRIKEE> acer travelmate 4152lmi
[07:06] <SHRIKEE> 1.7ghz centrino intel chipset
[07:06] <SHRIKEE> intel915gm
[07:06] <xsacha> it's not a menu morghanphoenix, it's a button called Advanced below the help.. ?
[07:06] <xsacha> whatversion of KDE?
[07:07] <morghanphoenix> Should be 3.5, but this is a fresh install, maybe it's not.
[07:07] <fignew> SHRIKEE: 1 sec
[07:07] <SHRIKEE> ive been looking on the forums, and on google. everything suggests lm-sensors. so i figured that was the way to go :(
[07:07] <xsacha> 3.5.  5? 3.5.4? 3.5.3?
[07:07] <morghanphoenix> how do I check?
[07:07] <fignew> lm-sensor is a pain ;)
[07:07] <xsacha> using dapper or edgy morghanphoenix?
[07:08] <morghanphoenix> dapper
[07:08] <xsacha> oh ok so it's older KDE..
[07:08] <SHRIKEE> hah
[07:08] <morghanphoenix> I had 3.5.5 before reinstalling, not sure what I've got now.
[07:09] <xsacha> hm, what exactly do you want to change? you can add sessions by sticking them in Xsessions
[07:09] <morghanphoenix> Eye candy, themes from kde-look.
[07:09] <morghanphoenix> I have all the session in there.
[07:10] <morghanphoenix> It's just KDE and fluxbox
[07:10] <xsacha> you stuck the .desktop in Xsessions and chose it on login?
[07:10] <morghanphoenix> eh?
[07:11] <xsacha> ..
[07:11] <fignew> SHRIKEE: I'm stumped...
[07:11] <fignew> sorry
[07:11] <xsacha> try going into the settings -> appearance and then Splash then
[07:11] <fignew> but fanspeed control is minor
[07:11] <SHRIKEE> :(
[07:11] <SHRIKEE> stumped how?
[07:11] <fignew> just let the laptop control itself
[07:12] <fignew> SHRIKEE: hardly anyone has your laptop
[07:12] <SHRIKEE> well the laptop is not controlling it as far as i can tell
[07:12] <fignew> does it get really hot?
[07:12] <SHRIKEE> i used to have a program fro macer to do it from windows
[07:12] <SHRIKEE> no not hot
[07:12] <fignew> so it's all good ;)
[07:12] <SHRIKEE> sure, for now
[07:12] <fignew> if you want to test it
[07:12] <xsacha> run that program in wine :D
[07:12] <SHRIKEE> but when theres no activity the fan used to turn off, it was real silent
[07:13] <fignew> to see if the fans turn on/if it gets hot.... check out CPUburn!
[07:13] <xsacha> doubt it could access fan though :(
[07:13] <SHRIKEE> im trying to get that behaviour
[07:13] <SHRIKEE> ah
[07:13] <fignew> SHRIKEE: so it's running 24/7?
[07:13] <fignew> the fan
[07:13] <SHRIKEE> at like 50% speed constantly yes
[07:13] <fignew> that would drive me crazy :(
[07:13] <SHRIKEE> yah
[07:13] <SHRIKEE> thats why im looking to get it fixed
[07:13] <SHRIKEE> ;)
[07:14] <fignew> :/
[07:14] <SHRIKEE> whats the usual approach for such?
[07:14] <xsacha> i use headphones and listen to music
[07:14] <fignew> 1 sec
[07:14] <SHRIKEE> because im not really sure what software i have to look for under linux to control it
[07:14] <fignew> gonna check one more thing
[07:14] <SHRIKEE> k, thanks!
[07:14] <xsacha> but then again my laptop controls itself and it's only buzzing if it's getting hot :P
[07:14] <SHRIKEE> what laptop you have?
[07:15] <SHRIKEE> *kinda
[07:15] <xsacha> HP one.. amd3500+
[07:15] <SHRIKEE> ah
[07:15] <xsacha> the processor scales to how much it is being used, same with fan
[07:15] <xsacha> that's an option in kernel by the way
[07:15] <xsacha> but my hardware does it
[07:15] <fignew> my laptop runs silenter in Linux than in windows :)
[07:15] <SHRIKEE> haha
[07:15] <xsacha> fignew: scaling processor?
[07:15] <fignew> because the CPU speed is constantly being brought down
[07:15] <SHRIKEE> mine eats more power and is noisyier
[07:16] <fignew> yep
[07:16] <xsacha> yeah you put scaling processor in kernel fignew?
[07:16] <fignew> nope
[07:16] <fignew> Kubuntu automatic
[07:16] <xsacha> because windows wont do that for you, gotta rely on hardware
[07:16] <SHRIKEE> the cpu throttling is handled fine i think
[07:16] <xsacha> fignew: that means it is in kernel :P
[07:16] <fignew> ...
[07:16] <fignew> _I_ didn't configure it
[07:16] <xsacha> yeah
[07:17] <xsacha> generic one comes with everything
[07:17] <SHRIKEE> :(
[07:17] <SHRIKEE> oh btw, now were talking powerstuff, what exactly do the powerschemes do
[07:17] <SHRIKEE> what are the differences
[07:17] <SHRIKEE> i couldnt find any docs on it :(
[07:17] <xsacha> i think they say what they do... just wait
[07:17] <fignew> powersave = always lowest speed
[07:17] <xsacha> i am not on my laptop :( do you know name of program?
[07:18] <SHRIKEE> yea its a  bit self explanatory, but im wondering what else they do
[07:18] <SHRIKEE> powersave.. for example. what does it do to save power
[07:18] <xsacha> i mean they actually have big detailed descriptions of what they do
[07:18] <SHRIKEE> ah, where?
[07:18] <xsacha> what is name of program?
[07:18] <SHRIKEE> powernowd i guess
[07:18] <fignew> SHRIKEE: it chages the CPU speed
[07:18] <SHRIKEE> just that?
[07:19] <xsacha> man powernowd
[07:19] <SHRIKEE> but i can manyually set the cpu speed aswell, with throttling
[07:19] <xsacha> Mode 1, AGGRESSIVE, changes frequency by a sawtooth function. Immediately jumps to the highest frequency whenever  CPU  usage  goes  over 80%,  and decreases by "step" Hz as usage drops below 20%.  This is the default behavior
[07:20] <fignew> I've also enabled laptop mode
[07:20] <SHRIKEE> i have no aggresice mode :o
[07:20] <fignew> where it stops the harddrive
[07:20] <fignew> xsacha: those are internal options
[07:20] <xsacha> doesnt mean you cant use them
[07:20] <fignew> userspace: gives you CPU speed when you need it
[07:20] <xsacha> override them :)
[07:20] <xsacha> Mode 2, PASSIVE, is the inverse of  AGGRESSIVE.   Immediately  jump  to lowest  frequency when usage drops below 20%.  Raise by "step" Hz if it goes above 80%.
[07:21] <fignew> he wants to know the options that are under the power menu...
[07:21] <SHRIKEE> i actually made a post on my site about it, hold on
[07:21] <xsacha> the programs GUI has a help and tells you what they do
[07:21] <xsacha> but i believe that it uses those
[07:21] <SHRIKEE> http://www.sothq.net/2006/10/23/sendmailand-other-stuff/
[07:21] <dom> hi folks.  kde apps generally auto-highlight spelling mistakes, but they use US english.  how to I get them to use british english?  i've tried changing stuff in the kontrol centre/system settings to no avail
[07:22] <fignew> lol!
[07:22] <xsacha> you're using en-us or en-gb?
[07:22] <fignew> colour
[07:22] <fignew> ^ spelled right?
[07:22] <SHRIKEE> color
[07:22] <fignew> I know that ;)
[07:22] <morghanphoenix> How do I upgrade KDE?
[07:23] <fignew> morghanphoenix: wait till thursday
[07:23] <fignew> and upgrade kubuntu
[07:23] <xsacha> yeah thursday edgy comes out :D wooho
[07:23] <dom> xsacha,  en-us/en-gb where?
[07:23] <SHRIKEE> but, if acpi tells me there is no suport for thermal stuff i cant monitor temp and control the fans?
[07:23] <SHRIKEE> :(
[07:23] <xsacha> when you selected language
[07:23] <dom> i just have US english
[07:23] <dom> mm
[07:23] <fignew> start --> System --> Language Support
[07:24] <xsacha> well that's why :)
[07:24] <xtian> hay un canal de kubuntu en espaol?
[07:24] <dom> oh, duh
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> Wow, games actually play
[07:24] <xsacha> yes, any language xtian :)
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> I waas stuck with nothing beyond the level of knights before.
[07:24] <fignew> not sure if brit english is in there though
[07:24] <xsacha> windows games in wine while running beryl? I KNOW! :D:D:D
[07:24] <xsacha> you can just d/l brit english if need be
[07:24] <morghanphoenix> And crafty was stomping me every time.
[07:25] <SHRIKEE> apt-get install somepackageforaspellwithaUKdictionary
[07:25] <xsacha> or just search for it
[07:25] <dom> huh, it changed my paper format to A4 too
[07:25] <dom> w007.  now if only we had A4 here in north america...
[07:25] <SHRIKEE> dom, open adept and type aspell dictionary, it will come up with a load of dictionaries yo ucan use
[07:25] <unix_infidel> we do.
[07:26] <xsacha> in Default Language there will be English (Australia) -- this comes with kubuntu default, no need to d/l languages
[07:26] <fignew> argh dom = canadian ;)
[07:26] <xsacha> just click and scroll up
[07:26] <xsacha> English (Canada) is also there
[07:26] <dom> Yep.  Ruled by the Queen, screwed by the Bush.
[07:27] <dom> Hmm, now konqueror seems to think both color and colour are correct.
[07:27] <fignew> well
[07:27] <fignew> they both are!
[07:28] <dom> Are they?  God, what is this, Vietnam?  There's supposed to be rules here!
[07:28] <xsacha> well dom it'd be very annoying if it said color wasnt correct, as i am betting most of the time it will be used
[07:28] <xsacha> even though you don't use it
[07:28] <fignew> so true
[07:29] <dom> I don't really care about most of the time.  I'm trying to write-up a bunch of documentation online.  I want it to just be correct.
[07:29] <xsacha> and i think it is guessing you'll use it as well since you're near america?
[07:29] <dom> Ah well, c'est la vie.
[07:29] <xsacha> you can try UK instead ;)
[07:29] <dom> That is UK.
[07:29] <xsacha> wouldnt be surprised if it started seeing french words when you choose canada
[07:29] <fignew> it sorta makes me giggle
[07:30] <fignew> all the firefox users are excited about getting spell checking
[07:30] <xsacha> websites tend to do that a lot
[07:30] <fignew> Konq has had it !
[07:30] <xsacha> really? i've seen spell check for years.. about 7 years ago i saw it
[07:30] <dom> fignew,  lol yeah and Konqueror's had it as long as I've used it.
[07:30] <xsacha> i never need to use it though :)
[07:31] <xsacha> gah where's the music?! i keep going into menu but forgetting to choose amarok
[07:32] <SHRIKEE> grm
[07:32] <pingveno> I'm having a bit of trouble w/ amarok. When I start it up, it automatically starts doing a scan for music. It eventually uses up all of the RAM and swap on the computer, crashing the computer.
[07:32] <flaccid> pingveno: try #amarok
[07:32] <pingveno> I can't figure out where the problem is coming from
[07:32] <pingveno> k
[07:32] <pingveno> I'm guessing it's an old but
[07:32] <pingveno> bug*
[07:33] <flaccid> are you using an old version?
[07:33] <fignew> hmm
[07:33] <arunkale> hey people
[07:33] <arunkale> i'm downloading and installing firefox 2.0
[07:33] <pingveno> Well, the newest version available for Dapper
[07:33] <arunkale> anyone else tried it for linux?
[07:33] <fignew> rm -rf .kde/share/apps/amarok/
[07:34] <flaccid> pingveno: then why you guess its an old bug?
[07:34] <fignew> arunkale: edgy eft has FF2
[07:34] <flaccid> fignew: why do you want to delete his amarok data?
[07:34] <fignew> because it's crashing
[07:34] <arunkale> fignew: by the time i upgrade to edgy, i'll be old
[07:34] <arunkale> :p
[07:35] <flaccid> fignew: did you ask if he wanted to keep his collection and ratings etc.?
[07:35] <pingveno> I don't have any, so no problem :)
[07:35] <fignew> flaccid: "When I start it up, it automatically starts doing a scan for music"
[07:35] <fignew> AKA
[07:35] <fignew> NO LIBRARY YET
[07:35] <flaccid> yes
[07:36] <dom> won't it scan automagically if it's configured to do so?
[07:36] <flaccid> thats correct dom
[07:36] <flaccid> you can never assume and just ask someone to delete their data
[07:36] <fignew> it's not data
[07:36] <fignew> it's metadata
[07:36] <dom> but if pingveno doesn't have any usage stats yet, then blowing it away is a reasonable course of action
[07:36] <flaccid> metadata is still data, so what?
[07:36] <dom> metadata is data about data.  that's still data
[07:37] <dom> ok, GOOD NIGHT!!!
[07:37] <flaccid> exactly
[07:37] <flaccid> assumptions are just not a good idea...
[07:37] <fignew> even if he does have usage stats... it's not doing him much good
[07:37] <flaccid> asking questions first is.
[07:37] <arunkale> man, the upgrade from dapper to edgy is some 800 mb
[07:37] <fignew> arunkale: 5 minute download ;)
[07:38] <arunkale> fignew: for me it's a 5 day download heh
[07:38] <arunkale> and i'm cursing my connection speed
[07:39] <SHRIKEE> fignew: http://rffr.de/acpi does that make sense?
[07:40] <fignew> that's all CPU frequency scaling
[07:40] <fignew> you wanted fan speed control :/
[07:40] <SHRIKEE> it also mentions the fan
[07:42] <fignew> not seeing it :/
[07:43] <SHRIKEE> Why the hell would anyone want to run their cpu at a lower speed than it is made for? Two reasons: 1. save energy, 2. prevent the noisy cpu fan from turning on during periods of higher load (provided speed is not that important)
[07:43] <SHRIKEE> in teh intro
[07:45] <fignew> lol, yes, but your fan seems to run at 50% no matter what the speed
[07:45] <SHRIKEE> mmhm
[07:45] <fignew> additionally
[07:45] <fignew> all this functionality
[07:45] <fignew> is enabled by default in (k)ubuntu
[07:45] <fignew> actually
[07:45] <SHRIKEE> ok :)
[07:46] <fignew> maybe not by default
[07:46] <SHRIKEE> well the cpu throttling is there, and works :)
[07:46] <SHRIKEE> i enabled it
[07:46] <SHRIKEE> by setting the powerschemes
[07:46] <fignew> under control panel go to Laptops & Power
[07:46] <fignew> actually
[07:47] <fignew> I'm not seeing what I'm looking for
[07:47] <SHRIKEE> http://www.sothq.net/2006/10/23/sendmailand-other-stuff/ <- theres some screens with my settings
[07:47] <fignew> DOH!
[07:47] <fignew> I'm on a desktop... that's why :P
[07:47] <SHRIKEE> haha lol
[07:47] <SHRIKEE> that would make a difference yes
[07:47] <SHRIKEE> but you meant hte checkmark for cpu throttling i guess
[07:47] <SHRIKEE> its on
[07:48] <fignew> make sure everything is checked under ACPI Config
[07:48] <fignew> also
[07:48] <fignew> to set the speed
[07:48] <fignew> right click on the battery applet in the system tray
[07:48] <SHRIKEE> yea i saw that menu
[07:49] <Windwalker78> Can can somebody help a newbie regarding printer install. Everything was fine with Gnome but now have problems with KDE
[07:49] <momal> how can i give a user permission to access other users files? eg user1 to access any files created by user2... without chmoding all the files to 777
[07:49] <SHRIKEE> sudo chmod 777
[07:50] <SHRIKEE> :)
[07:50] <SHRIKEE> or
[07:50] <SHRIKEE> perhaps sudo chgrp
[07:50] <Windwalker78> Anybody familiar with CUPS network print and Kubuntu?
[07:50] <SHRIKEE> i installed a printer this midday
[07:51] <SHRIKEE> via samba
[07:51] <Windwalker78> with samba and win everything is ok. Having problems  with cups
[07:51] <SHRIKEE> like...
[07:51] <fignew> momal: you can add the users you want to give access to to your group
[07:51] <Windwalker78> linux -> windows ok , but linux->linux problem
[07:51] <SHRIKEE> ah
[07:52] <SHRIKEE> uh i dunno :( my printer is on a windows computer
[07:52] <Windwalker78> I am asked for a password at the end of the kde printers install via CUPS Remote server and I dont know which password to supply...I tried all passwords on both computers
[07:53] <fignew> Windwalker78: what version of kubuntu?
[07:53] <Windwalker78> Kubuntu 6.06 i printing on Ubuntu 6.06
[07:53] <Windwalker78> is printing...
[07:54] <Windwalker78> probably Ubuntu did not asked me for a sharing password???
[07:54] <fignew> they worked on printer sharing alot in 6.10 :)
[07:54] <Windwalker78> as I said KDE is asking for a password and I cannot supply it
[07:54] <xsacha> KDE 3.5.5 messed up CUPS configuration file
[07:54] <morghanphoenix> Is libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 glibc2.2?
[07:54] <Windwalker78> I tested edgy but had problems with freenx logging out
[07:55] <morghanphoenix> closest package I can find
[07:55] <xsacha> gah why does my flash plugin keep crashing?
[07:55] <xsacha> any time something is flash on my page it makes error report because it crashes
[07:55] <SHRIKEE> is fancontrol even acpi related?
[07:56] <xsacha> i think so
[07:57] <fignew> SHRIKEE: I believe the most ACPI would tell you is how fast the fan is going...
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: what architecture/distro
[07:57] <xsacha> amd64/kubuntu edgy
[07:57] <SHRIKEE> hmm
[07:57] <fignew> SHRIKEE: Search the Linux kernel changelog for anything about your laptop
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> probably because you're on amd64
[07:57] <xsacha> i downloaded flash pplugin from adept
[07:57] <momal> fignew: Well i tried adding my user (momal)  to the www-data group so I can access my web files without having to use www-data as the user but still wont let me edit/remove the files :S
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> my probably keeps crashing because i'm on FK 2.0
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> FX*
[07:58] <xsacha> mm im on FX1.5..
[07:58] <fignew> momal: your going after it wrong
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: you probably want flashplugin-nonfree
[07:58] <Windwalker78> Can somebody tell me how to remove a printer which is giving a message client-error-not-found? Whatever I do the printer stays there and will not allow me to remove it..:(
[07:58] <fignew> you should own the files
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc
[07:58] <jason_> good morning
[07:58] <xsacha> oh ok
[07:58] <SHRIKEE> im looking on sites, for acpi stuff related to fans
[07:58] <fignew> and www-user should be able to read them
[07:58] <momal> then the www-data can't write to them
[07:59] <fignew> is it CGI?
[07:59] <xsacha> oh Admiral_Chicago : can you try this link: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/ffoxdie.html ?
[07:59] <momal> surely i can make 2 users beable to edit/read/remove the same files :S
[07:59] <jason_> something messed up my system settings (me likely :P )... I get the following all the time:
[07:59] <morghanphoenix> Anybody know the packages for glibc 2.2 and GTK+ 1.2?
[07:59] <fignew> there are very few cases where www-user should be able to change files (it opens you up to security breaches)
[08:00] <jason_> Sorry - KDE Panel  >>  Could not find mime type application/octet-stream  <OK>
[08:00] <jason_> advice?
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> sure, what am i looking for?
[08:00] <momal> its all local on my pc and no one has access so no security problems
[08:00] <xsacha> it's meant to crash firefox 2.. just wondering if it works?
[08:00] <arunkale> umm i downloaded the firefox 2 tar.gz
[08:00] <arunkale> how do i install
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> ah flash to work...
[08:01] <fignew> so files should be set as 660
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: just install from the command line
[08:01] <momal> If i set all the files to my user/group then my apache server can't write to the files
[08:01] <fignew> directories should be set as 775
[08:01] <fignew> actually
[08:01] <Admiral_Chicago> open up a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[08:01] <xsacha> sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:01] <fignew> files shold be 664
[08:01] <fignew> if you want them world readable
[08:01] <Sage> Uhm.
[08:01] <arunkale> Admiral_Chicago: Will that install Firefox 2.0?
[08:01] <xsacha> have to update first though if you havent updated in a while..
[08:01] <Sage> Anyone willing to help me out with something
[08:01] <xsacha> yes arunkale, FF2 was added to rep
[08:01] <xsacha> just update first
[08:02] <arunkale> update?
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: yes
[08:02] <fignew> momal also you should do chown momal:www-group
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Sage: ask, can't garuntee an answer
[08:02] <fignew> don't quote me on the www-group deal though, I dont know the group name
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: it works.
[08:03] <arunkale> should i close my firefox windows that are currently open before i install firefox
[08:04] <xsacha> works=crash or not crash?
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: detects FX
[08:05] <macoxp> hey i wanna format my second drive how do i do this and what is the linux equlivelent of ntfs?
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> no crash that i know oy
[08:05] <xsacha> oh ok
[08:05] <arunkale> Admiral_Chicago: should i close whatever firefox windows i have open, before i install firefox 2?
[08:05] <Sage> I used a program called Partition Magic to partition my NTFS partition so I could install Kubuntu and dual boot windows with it. After I used the program and it rebooted my computer, every time that windows booted it gave me a blue screen. So now I am trying to get all the files I had on the windows partition over to this.
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: no
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> it's in /lock
[08:05] <arunkale> Admiral_Chicago: thanks :)
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> but once you update restart FX to get on 2.0
[08:06] <arunkale> will tell you how it goes
[08:06] <xsacha> yeah Sage, those are very risky.. im very sure it warned you about that too :P
[08:06] <Sage> It probably did
[08:06] <Sage> I just didn't read it
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> !mount > Sage
[08:06] <macoxp> can anyone help my format my stupid second drive?
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> macoxp: use QTparted
[08:06] <xsacha> oh you were resizing while it was mounted?
[08:06] <Sage> I've tried using mount
[08:06] <macoxp> Admiral_Chicago: how?
[08:06] <xsacha> i prefer fdisk, but that's just me :)
[08:06] <Sage> Only showed like the contents of the windows folder
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Sage: hmm. did you try fsck
[08:07] <arunkale> Admiral_Chicago: it says firefox is already the latest version, but it's not
[08:07] <macoxp> Admiral_Chicago: just type that in command?
[08:07] <xsacha> arunkale: update repositories
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> no you need to install it then run it
[08:07] <Sage> sudo mount /dev/hda1 ~
[08:07] <Sage> [22:43]  <Sage> Ok did that
[08:07] <Sage> Only tried doing that
[08:07] <arunkale> xsacha: how do i do that? (sorry for the retarded questions)
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: from the terminal, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:07] <macoxp> Admiral_Chicago: can i get it from atept?
[08:07] <arunkale> ok
[08:08] <arunkale> that's all on the same line, right?
[08:08] <xsacha> yes macoxp
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> macoxp: yes
[08:08] <xsacha> yeah arunkale
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> no one then the other
[08:08] <momal> How can i give my user access to files chowned to www-data.www-data ??... the files created from apache are going to be created by that user/group and I want to have access to them via my user
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> can you do that?
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i didn't know that
[08:08] <xsacha> you can replace && with a ; too
[08:09] <arunkale> xsacha: it still says firefox is the latest version
[08:09] <xsacha> you ran the update already?
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> oh right linux is intelligent like that
[08:09] <arunkale> yeah
[08:09] <arunkale> i've already updated it, i think
[08:09] <arunkale> this morning
[08:09] <arunkale> everytime that little icon shows up, i update
[08:09] <xsacha> well it's in my repository :S amd64 though could be different
[08:10] <arunkale> so how do i install from the tar.gz
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale: extract it to your desktop
[08:10] <arunkale> and then?
[08:10] <_erwin> ey anybody here know's how to connect me to yahoo messenger?
[08:10] <xsacha> well it's not recommended :P if you dont know how to it's best not to but you can just tar -xvf filename and then ./configure and then make and then make install
[08:10] <macoxp> xsacha: what type of partition is best? gives me security and lagre file sizes?
[08:11] <xsacha> macoxp: ext3 is recommended
[08:11] <xsacha> i use reiserfs but people complain that they lose data with it sometimes :S never had that though
[08:11] <morghanphoenix> ack
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> type in a terminal cd Desktop
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> actually wait
[08:12] <xsacha> i hope firefox2 has no extra dependancies :P
[08:12] <xsacha> configure will say anyway
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> is there an install file?
[08:13] <momal> _erwin: kopete in kde connects to the yim service i believe
[08:13] <momal> !kopete
[08:13] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 5068 kB, installed size 16980 kB
[08:13] <arunkale> there's a run-mozilla.sh
[08:13] <Sage> Will I have to format my drive after this occuance?
[08:13] <arunkale> there's a firefox-bin
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm ihold on
[08:14] <xsacha> Sage: you resized and then it starting BSODing (before you installed kubuntu)?
[08:15] <Sage> I haven't installed kubuntu yet
[08:15] <xsacha> ohh ok
[08:15] <Sage> I'm working from off the CD
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0rc3/source/
[08:15] <xsacha> it might start working when you install a different boot loader
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> use that one
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> download the source and let's work ogg that
[08:15] <Lynoure> Sage: no, probably just repair windows. Or at least it is worth the try.
[08:15] <Sage> Hm.
[08:16] <arunkale> Admiral_Chicago: that's 35 MB
[08:16] <xsacha> it could just be the bootloader has differing information now, so try installing kubuntu and it'll install grub for you.. check if it works then
[08:16] <arunkale> that's going to take me an hour
[08:16] <arunkale> :p
[08:16] <xsacha> arunkale: that's cause it's source ;)
[08:16] <Lynoure> Sage: if you pop in the install CD for that it will have that option, if it does not work, take backups with a bootable disk and reinstall after that.
[08:17] <arunkale> should i get the bz2.asc file
[08:17] <Sage> I don't know if the drive is still intact
[08:17] <xsacha> my bet is it is
[08:17] <Lynoure> Sage: No way to know other than trying.
[08:17] <Sage> Guess so.
[08:17] <xsacha> even if some of the data is lost, you can still recover most of it
[08:18] <Lynoure> Ideally one should  always take backups before messing with the partition table
[08:18] <Sage> Curiosity killed the cat.
[08:18] <Sage> I just don't want to lose my music.
[08:18] <Lynoure> Sage: Remember that you are probably not a cat :)
[08:18] <xsacha> yeah try and recover it
[08:18] <Sage> The computer is.
[08:19] <Lynoure> mine is an alien birdlike thing
[08:19] <stoic>  ALL HAIL GOOGLE GOD OF THE BETA WIRED
[08:20] <stoic> woops...
[08:20] <xsacha> ?
[08:20] <stoic> sorry wrong window, hi
[08:20] <Lynoure> heh
[08:20] <xsacha> !firefox
[08:20] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:20] <xsacha> it still says 1.5 :O
[08:21] <kraut> moin
[08:22] <Search4Lancer> stupid question: how do I know what version of Kubuntu I have installed?
[08:23] <stoic> it will tell you when you boot up
[08:23] <Search4Lancer> ...other than that?
[08:23] <flaccid> there is a command, but can't remember what it is
[08:23] <stoic> yeah nor can i
[08:23] <flaccid> there is a file as well
[08:23] <macoxp> xsacha: it's useing 5 gig's of space and i just formated why does it say this?
[08:24] <xsacha> are you on a live cd?
[08:24] <xsacha> cant format this hard drive..
[08:24] <morghanphoenix> I really hate the case sensitivity for paths
[08:24] <xsacha> unless you are on a live cd
[08:24] <flaccid> case sensitivity rox
[08:24] <macoxp> xsacha: no i'm installed on maxtor trying to format WD
[08:24] <xsacha> oh ok
[08:25] <xsacha> you removed all partitions?
[08:25] <xsacha> then there'll be some button to write to partition table
[08:26] <macoxp> xsacha: yeah then i added ext3 and it says 5 gigs usec
[08:26] <xsacha> the ext3 partition you made is 5 gigs?
[08:26] <morghanphoenix> I keep creating new paths because I got the case wrong.
[08:26] <macoxp> xsacha: it's a 125 gig hd and it says 5 gigs used right off the bat of the format
[08:26] <flaccid> morghanphoenix: you can blame windows for that
[08:27] <macoxp> xsacha: see the problem?
[08:27] <xsacha> you formatted it with no partition on it and it says used space is more than 0? :S
[08:27] <morghanphoenix> I blame windows for enough allready
[08:27] <macoxp> xsacha: no i deleted everythign then made a primary>ext3
[08:27] <xsacha> the ext3 is 5 gigs?
[08:27] <flaccid> macoxp: what does du -cah / return?
[08:28] <flaccid> replace / with the root of the partition mount point
[08:28] <macoxp> xsacha: the ext3 is 125g with 5 used filled with nothing
[08:28] <stoic> are we that boring?
[08:28] <xsacha> try: df -h        and check used %age
[08:29] <macoxp> hold on just a sec i'm doing it again to see if it happens again
[08:29] <xsacha> on hdb or whatever it is called
[08:29] <macoxp> ok it's still useing 5 gigs what you want me to try?
[08:29] <xsacha> try: df -h and check used %
[08:30] <xsacha> on hdb1 or whatever it is called
[08:30] <macoxp> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:30] <macoxp> /dev/hda1              37G   19G   16G  55% /
[08:30] <macoxp> varrun                760M  104K  760M   1% /var/run
[08:30] <macoxp> varlock               760M  4.0K  760M   1% /var/lock
[08:30] <macoxp> udev                  760M  136K  760M   1% /dev
[08:30] <macoxp> devshm                760M     0  760M   0% /dev/shm
[08:30] <macoxp> lrm                   760M   19M  742M   3% /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/volatile
[08:30] <macoxp> /dev/sda1             280G  186G   94G  67% /media/sda1
[08:31] <xsacha> which one is it?
[08:31] <xsacha> sda1? :S
[08:31] <macoxp> xsacha: how do i only do it on hdb1?
[08:31] <xsacha> df -h /dev/hdb1
[08:31] <macoxp> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:31] <macoxp> udev                  760M  136K  760M   1% /dev
[08:31] <xsacha> but i dont know if yours is called hdb1.. you have a scsi in there
[08:32] <xsacha> huh? it's /dev ?
[08:32] <macoxp> xsacha: hold on i'll get you a screen shot
[08:33] <xsacha> do you have it raided?
[08:33] <macoxp> xsacha: does linux have a paint program?
[08:33] <xsacha> macoxp: i think i know why, duhh :P
[08:33] <macoxp> xsacha: no it's a single drive
[08:33] <xsacha> it's not mounted..
[08:34] <xsacha> do: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[08:34] <momal> How can i give my user access to files chowned to www-data.www-data ??... the files created from apache are going to be created by that user/group and I want to have access to them via my user
[08:35] <Windwalker78> bye!
[08:35] <xsacha> chown -R user:group /dir   .. ?
[08:35] <xsacha> run it as sudo and it doesnt matter who owns it :)
[08:37] <NightBird> erm... while yes, sudo would work... why not add the users to the www-data group?
[08:37] <NightBird> would that work?
[08:38] <xsacha> yeah add user to group or just chown for that user, seems too simple maybe we misunderstood question
[08:38] <macoxp> xsacha: http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1ln0.jpg
[08:38] <macoxp> xsacha: thats whats happing
[08:39] <NightBird> hehe witchblade....
[08:39] <xsacha> macoxp: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[08:40] <macoxp> xsacha: now what?
[08:40] <xsacha> done? then: df -h /mnt
[08:41] <macoxp> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:41] <macoxp> /dev/hdb1             111G  129M  105G   1% /mnt
[08:41] <xsacha> ow
[08:41] <macoxp> numbers not adding up
[08:41] <xsacha> 129MB used... 105 available..
[08:41] <xsacha> ^o)
[08:41] <SHRIKEE> hax
[08:42] <macoxp> it's crazy haxorz
[08:42] <NightBird> 129M+105G == 111G?
[08:42] <NightBird> ....good enough for me!
[08:42] <xsacha> of course NightBird :)
[08:42] <macoxp> hey there is a thing on the drive called lost+found wtf?
[08:43] <xsacha> i just use fdisk and i always seem to get what i see
[08:43] <xsacha> what's in lost+found?
[08:43] <SHRIKEE> what kinda number is 111G anyway
[08:43] <SHRIKEE> ...
[08:43] <macoxp> cant open need root powers
[08:43] <SHRIKEE> what disk is that size
[08:43] <xsacha> it's probably 120 (human readable)
[08:43] <momal> yea my problem is im sick of having to use sudo to edit the files.... and since my apache server creates files under www-data.www-data and I want to leave it as that.. I want to beable to edit the files via my momal.momal user/group without having to keep changing the permissions of files
[08:43] <macoxp> it's 120 but that means 111 in the real world
[08:43] <xsacha> oh wait -h does that
[08:44] <momal> I have tried adding momal to www-data group but still doesn't work :(
[08:44] <xsacha> oh ok momal: add yourself to that group
[08:44] <macoxp> xsacha: so what do i do?
[08:44] <flaccid> whats the error?
[08:44] <xsacha> macoxp: no idea
[08:44] <momal> xsacha: tried that
[08:44] <xsacha> didnt work? ^o)
[08:45] <xsacha> dont see how it couldnt work
[08:45] <momal> nope :(
[08:45] <xsacha> you type group wrong or something? :P
[08:45] <SHRIKEE> a random thought:
[08:45] <momal> I have me (momal) added to the www-data group but still wont let me edit the files :(
[08:45] <momal> nar did it via the kde users manager dialog
[08:45] <SHRIKEE> is there a way to lock the system once a usb stick is removed?
[08:45] <xsacha> www-data.www-data? or www-data?
[08:45] <SHRIKEE> and use the usb stick like a keycard for access to that system
[08:45] <macoxp> xsacha: what the dif btween ext3 and ext2?
[08:46] <xsacha> ext3 has journaling
[08:46] <SHRIKEE> macoxp:  a journal
[08:46] <macoxp> i'm gonna try ext2
[08:46] <SHRIKEE> you should stick with ext3 :)
[08:46] <SHRIKEE> its a enhanced ext2
[08:46] <xsacha> btw macoxp: umount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[08:46] <macoxp> SHRIKEE: why i dont care abotu some jornal
[08:46] <momal> username is www-data and group name is www-data and I want to be able to edit any file created under that user/group via my user (momal) and group (momal) (momal.momal)
[08:47] <xsacha> you can be momal.www-data too ...
[08:47] <thill2708> Why is it so hard to manage a theme in kubuntu? Are there themes that take care of the windows, the themes, the icons, etc, completely?
[08:47] <macoxp> that jornal took up 4 gigs it now says used space 1 gig lol
[08:47] <flaccid> momal: add yourself to the www-data group and ensure correct group perms on the files
[08:47] <xsacha> that should work
[08:47] <macoxp> yeah i can live with 1 gig gone
[08:48] <xsacha> weird, i get my full space
[08:48] <macoxp> xsacha: how do i give konkor root powers so i can open this lost and found
[08:48] <xsacha> of course when i add a file it gets journalised, but from a wipe it's all empty
[08:48] <SHRIKEE> ...
[08:49] <xsacha> kdesu konqueror /mnt/lost+found
[08:49] <flaccid> macoxp: did you run the du command?
[08:49] <macoxp> nothing in it how do i del it?
[08:50] <xsacha> it's part of filesystem i think?
[08:50] <macoxp> wait can partition magic make linux partitions? i own that program lol
[08:50] <xsacha> errr i prefer linux programs to partition magic any day LOL
[08:51] <xsacha> try this, i use it all the time and never had any problems: fdisk
[08:51] <macoxp> well i'm gonna try it it boots off the cd no windows :-P
[08:51] <macoxp> fdisk only does fat hto
[08:51] <xsacha> use wine to run it if you want to
[08:51] <xsacha> no :P
[08:51] <xsacha> fdisk will do any partition type, you just have to make it
[08:51] <macoxp> xsacha: no need it boots off the cd
[08:51] <xsacha> mkreiserfs for eg.
[08:52] <xsacha> after you create a partition
[08:53] <flaccid> macoxp: did you run the du command?
[08:53] <xsacha> he left
[08:53] <flaccid> ah well
[08:54] <xsacha> soon as next kernel comes out, i'm going to try out ext4
[08:56] <seishinbyou> Hmm, what is the maximum number of partitions allowed for a single HDD?
[08:56] <xsacha> 4 apparently
[08:56] <xsacha> that's primary
[08:56] <seishinbyou> extended?
[08:56] <xsacha> no idea
[08:57] <seishinbyou> More of a curiousity than anything; I have a really large disk here I can't imagine filling with standard apps
[08:57] <seishinbyou> So just for experimentation...
[08:57] <xsacha> yeah, i run into that too
[08:57] <xsacha> you're meant to use logical partitions
[08:58] <seishinbyou> Meh, whatever works, I guess.  It just seems like so much space is just going to waste either way
[08:58] <seishinbyou> I should take up bittorrenting or something
[08:58] <seishinbyou> hosting Linux ISOs
[08:58] <xsacha> i think unlimited logical or some really high number
[09:00] <draik> Hello everyone
[09:01] <obf213> wht is mythtv
[09:01] <obf213> i downloaded it but i have no clue how to get it to work
[09:01] <seishinbyou> There are no 1TB 3.5' drives out right now, is that correct?  750GB is the max?
[09:02] <draik> JUCATO!!!
[09:02] <Jucato> yoh draik :)
[09:03] <draik> obf213, go to http://www.systm.org and get the video from them about mythtv
[09:03] <obf213> draik
[09:03] <obf213> wanna run the url again it says it doesnt exists
[09:03] <draik> Jucato, I gots me a jobby job
[09:03] <Jucato> draik: nice :)
[09:03] <draik> obf213, one sec, let me find it
[09:04] <Jucato> AAAAH! The smell of a revived Linux box!! :D
[09:04] <draik> obf213, here you go http://www.revision3.com/systm   scroll down for Episode 2 MythTV
[09:05] <Jucato> I'm so happy I could cry :)
[09:05] <draik> You could, but you're not going to :p
[09:05] <Jucato> 2 weeks, and US$ 20 after... I'm finally home :)
[09:05] <Search4Lancer> alright, I'm trying to install Beryl, and it says "In KDE (Kubuntu), you can add a simple script to the "~/.kde/Autostart/" directory that activates those commands."  which tells me absolutely NOTHING.... any help?
[09:06] <obf213> great is flahs lol. no sound
[09:06] <draik> Very nice Jucato
[09:06] <t9377_> hello
[09:06] <xsacha> Search4Lancer: #beryl
[09:06] <t9377_> weisch du wie me duet so fils versnde
[09:06] <Jucato> er did I say 2 weeks? I meant "more than 2 weeks" :)
[09:06] <draik> obf213, it's not flash, it's torrent
[09:06] <seishinbyou> make a symbolic link to beryl-manager in the ~/.kde/Autostart/ directory
[09:07] <t9377_> got wr sind dir alli
[09:07] <draik> Jucato, Has it really been that long? Time sure does fly
[09:07] <Search4Lancer> xsacha: it's a Kubuntu question, not a beryl question....
[09:07] <t9377_> koch sag mol wr bisch du
[09:07] <draik> t9377, what language?
[09:07] <xsacha> it's beryl question.. come into #beryl, im there
[09:08] <obf213> o well if ur right click the video is says about micromedia flash
[09:08] <draik> It's quicktime
[09:08] <seishinbyou> Just checking, lzh/lha is still supported under Linux, right?
[09:09] <obf213> hrmm mines flahs i tried to play quicktime it said nothing could support it
[09:09] <Jucato> what's lzh?
[09:09] <draik> obf213, on the right there is a link for the quicktime video
[09:09] <seishinbyou> compression scheme from the 80s.  Popular in Japan...nowhere else
[09:09] <Jucato> ah
[09:09] <seishinbyou> Also used in the Amiga
[09:10] <obf213> yeah i quess i need to download something to make quiktime play
[09:10] <draik> obf213, click on View All Video Downloads
[09:10] <draik> they have the torrents there
[09:10] <draik> They have the torrents for WMV, Xvid
[09:11] <obf213> i c
[09:11] <obf213> when i clcik on them xml trees just open though
[09:11] <seishinbyou> Ok.  It looks like file-roller and/or ark will handle lha/lzh... whew
[09:12] <obf213> ah nvm
[09:14] <draik> obf213, http://www.mythtv.org
[09:14] <Windwalker78> Hi. Can somebody help me delete a printer. If i try to remove it i getclient-error-not-found.
[09:15] <Genix|linux> !nspluginwrapper
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <Genix|linux> what irc client you guys on?
[09:16] <obf213> yeah thanks, i foudn the video i was just slow
[09:16] <Genix|linux> konversation?
[09:16] <flaccid> konversation
[09:16] <Jucato> Konvi
[09:16] <draik> konvo
[09:16] <Jucato> beloved Konvi... :)
[09:17] <Genix|linux> ok
[09:17] <Genix|linux> and you guys using firefox or konq
[09:17] <draik> firefox
[09:17] <Genix|linux> and are you  using konq for your file browser
[09:17] <Jucato> Konqi
[09:17] <draik> yup
[09:17] <Jucato> I use Konqi as file manager, and browser 95% of the time
[09:18] <Genix|linux> oh ok
[09:18] <draik> Jucato, you're using konqi? I thought you gave up after it went ape-shiite on you
[09:18] <draik> konqi as a browser I mean
[09:18] <Genix|linux> just trying to get the best apps for kde
[09:18] <Genix|linux> i just started using it
[09:18] <flaccid> i thought konqi was the mascot
[09:18] <Jucato> draik: it didn't really went ape-shift on me. it just didn't work with most Google services
[09:19] <Jucato> flaccid: Konqi is both the name of the KDE mascot, and the shortened name for Konqueror
[09:19] <Jucato> :P
[09:19] <draik> Genix|linux, go here  http://www.kde-apps.org
[09:19] <flaccid> for real
[09:19] <draik> K in KDE went from Kool to Konqi to just K
[09:19] <draik> or maybe Konqi to Kool to K
[09:20] <draik> forgot the order, but the wiki has it
[09:20] <Jucato> draik: it was never Konqi
[09:21] <draik> No more drinking and wiki'ing for me then
[09:21] <draik> lol
[09:21] <Jucato> hehe
[09:21] <Jucato> well that's just afaik
[09:21] <Jucato> it really went from Kool to just "K"
[09:22] <draik> Then there you have it folks!!!
[09:22] <Jucato> lol
[09:22] <draik> brb, it's time for some grub
[09:22] <Jucato> GRUB or grub?
[09:23] <draik> grub
[09:24] <Jucato> ag
[09:24] <Jucato> ah
[09:25] <ZeeO> how do i get wma to play
[09:25] <ZeeO> or can i
[09:25] <draik> ZeeO get w32codecs
[09:25] <draik> !source-o-matic
[09:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:25] <Jucato> err..
[09:25] <Jucato> !wma
[09:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:25] <Jucato> ZeeO: read that link for RestrictedFormats. there are instructions there for Windows Media
[09:25] <draik> I had a few issues until I got the w32codecs
[09:26] <Jucato> download the w32codecs (.deb) and install it
[09:26] <ZeeO> thx
[09:27] <ZeeO> kubuntu needs to come with that kind of stuff out of the box
[09:27] <Jucato> ZeeO: it can't
[09:27] <ZeeO> o
[09:27] <ZeeO> :(
[09:27] <Jucato> it's against its philosophy, and at the same time against the law in some countries
[09:28] <macoxp> hey guys what are jfs and xfs file systems?
[09:29] <toad_> hi all
[09:29] <momal> amarok: Depends: libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not installable | trying to install latest amarok with rep from : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.3.php
[09:29] <Jucato> macoxp: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained
[09:30] <Jucato> er.. it doesn't have jfs or xfs lol
[09:30] <Jucato> sorry
[09:30] <Jucato> but it does have links to other sources...
[09:30] <Jucato> momal: you have enabled dapper-backports already, I presume?
[09:30] <draik> what is a *.cbr file?
[09:31] <Jucato> draik: comic book archive
[09:31] <momal> arr whoops completly went over my head :p
[09:31] <draik> momal, as soon as you enable backports it will work... I went through the same thing
[09:31] <draik> Thank you Jucato
[09:32] <Jucato> draik: which can be opened by apps like komix or qtcomicbook (not sure of the names). or just extracted/decompressed by Ark :P
[09:32] <Pitone> help
[09:32] <Jucato> woot for 370 feeds to read! :)
[09:33] <Jucato> !ask
[09:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:33] <draik> Jucato, thanks
[09:34] <macoxp> Jucato: is the reiserFS  jfs and xfs file systems?
[09:34] <Jucato> macoxp: I really don't know. did you check the Wikipedia link at the bottom of the page I gave?
[09:35] <xsacha> yes maco
[09:35] <draik> Jucato, it's comix. Oddly enough, no K
[09:35] <toad_> who here has their mouse forward and back buttons working?
[09:35] <xsacha> macoxp: you can use fdisk to make any type of partition...
[09:35] <xsacha> you jjust make it after you make partition
[09:36] <Jucato> draik: err yeah. it isn't a KDE/Qt app I think
[09:36] <ukubuntu>  A small questio for you early burds! I am finding in both firefox and konqueror on ubuntu  with kubuntu on top, that sending mail from a web page like http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3990000/newsid_3993900/3993909.stm gives the following error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28073/
[09:37] <ukubuntu> I think it may be my local permissions, but I think it is not just my problem
[09:37] <macoxp> xsacha: yeah but no matter what i still lose 5 gigs so i'm gonna use jfs i think it's just as good says teh charts
[09:37] <xsacha> no macoxp
[09:37] <xsacha> i lose nothing when i do it
[09:37] <Jucato> now to update to KDE 3.5.5 :)
[09:38] <macoxp> xsacha: you really into the ms dos fdisk hehe
[09:38] <xsacha> i like reiser best, but that's just me
[09:38] <xsacha> konsole.. and you'll be using konsole a lot
[09:38] <macoxp> xsacha: you mean a linux version of fdisk?
[09:38] <xsacha> the front-end apps tend to give you less control
[09:39] <draik> Jucato, I like 3.5.5
[09:39] <xsacha> of course, just type in fdisk
[09:39] <Jucato> draik: I'm supposed to like it. they said there are a lot of KHTML fixes/improvements
[09:39] <draik> I wouldn't personally know, but it seems to run smoother on my machine
[09:39] <macoxp> xsacha: how do i mount a drive again?
[09:39] <xsacha> mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[09:40] <Jucato> draik: tomorrow I just might reformat anyway lol
[09:40] <draik> reformat? Why?
[09:40] <xsacha> i think he means thursday for edgy final?
[09:41] <ukubuntu> hmm, seems my problem foxes all :(
[09:41] <Jucato> draik: I'm due for a reformat anyway... I need to redo my partitions :)
[09:41] <draik> oic
[09:43] <xzhang> hi guys
[09:43] <macoxp> xsacha: why does it say i got a raid going on when i dont?
[09:43] <xzhang> I wanted to install kubuntu yesterday
[09:43] <macoxp> Usage: fdisk [-l]  [-b SSZ]  [-u]  device
[09:43] <macoxp> E.g.: fdisk /dev/hda  (for the first IDE disk)
[09:43] <macoxp>   or: fdisk /dev/sdc  (for the third SCSI disk)
[09:43] <macoxp>   or: fdisk /dev/eda  (for the first PS/2 ESDI drive)
[09:43] <macoxp>   or: fdisk /dev/rd/c0d0  or: fdisk /dev/ida/c0d0  (for RAID devices)
[09:43] <macoxp>   ...
[09:43] <xsacha> you do.. that's sda1 right?
[09:43] <xsacha> fdisk /dev/hdb
[09:43] <Jucato> !pastebin
[09:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:44] <draik> Jucato, I was just about to paste a whole HTML website
[09:44] <Jucato> draik: yeah, right! :P
[09:44] <KoluCCi> Hi! Does anybody knows, what is the default path of KDE installation in Kubuntu?
[09:44] <draik> I'd be banned for what... about 3 months?
[09:44] <Jucato> ??
[09:44] <macoxp> xsacha: whats sdal?
[09:44] <draik> flooding
[09:44] <Jucato> KoluCCi: what do you mean?
[09:44] <xsacha> scsi drive
[09:44] <xzhang> But when creating partition and mounting partition manually the installation crashed
[09:45] <xsacha> it looks like it is a raid drive.. it has 300GB -- do you know what drive that is?
[09:45] <Jucato> draik: nah.  you'd just get your @ss kicked :)
[09:45] <xzhang> both 6.10 and 6.06
[09:45] <draik> hmmm... doesn't seem all too bad of an idea
[09:45] <Jucato> draik: we could also ban you if you want :)
[09:45] <KoluCCi> Jucato: the default KDE path, which is using by application when building in $KDEDIR variable
[09:45] <draik> When's the release for Edgy Eft (final)?
[09:45] <Jucato> ah
[09:45] <xsacha> thursday draik.. this thursday
[09:45] <draik> Jucato, No, that's quite alright, thank you
[09:45] <jonathanmathew01> Can someone tell me how to update an external hard drive (usb) that i use on a stand alone machine
[09:45] <Jucato> hm... /etc/kde3 afaik
[09:46] <draik> hmm... bit late, no?
[09:46] <KoluCCi> Jucato: I'll try ;)
[09:46] <xsacha> it is /etc/kde3 in kubuntu
[09:46] <KoluCCi> checking for the general KDE directory... failed...continuing with normal checks
[09:46] <KoluCCi> checking for KDE services directory... found in /usr/share/services
[09:46] <KoluCCi> checking for the KDE libraries... found in /usr/lib
[09:46] <KoluCCi> checking for KDE header files... "FAILED"
[09:47] <xsacha> installed from source, kde seemed to use: /etc/kde
[09:47] <xzhang> In Kubuntu installation, when creating partition and mounting partition manually the installation crashed. anyone met it?
[09:47] <macoxp> xsacha: how do i unmount this thing so i can fdisk it?
[09:47] <xsacha> umount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[09:47] <macoxp> umount: /mn: not found
[09:47] <xsacha> typo lol
[09:47] <KoluCCi> xsacha: Jucato: Don't know what to do?
[09:48] <Jucato> KoluCCi: err did you download kde-devel (to get the KDE headers)?
[09:48] <macoxp> xsacha: i copyed and pasted what you wrote
[09:48] <xsacha> it's looking for kde headers kolucci, know where they are?
[09:48] <xsacha> you missed the 't' when you pasted macoxp
[09:48] <KoluCCi> I was trying to set like KDE path /usr/include/kde where my kde-devel exist - nothing changed
[09:48] <xsacha> notice i typed /mnt and error says /mn
[09:49] <KoluCCi> Jucato: I'll try to update kde-devel right now
[09:50] <KoluCCi> what should I do to set KDE general directory?
[09:50] <KoluCCi> set KDEDIR to /etc/kde3?
[09:50] <KoluCCi> or to /usr/include/kde?
[09:50] <xsacha> kol: it's finding KDEDIR properly.. it's not finding kde headers
[09:50] <Hydra> seriously man, windows vista kicks ass
[09:50] <xsacha> right?
[09:50] <KoluCCi> checking for the general KDE directory... failed...continuing with normal checks
[09:50] <KoluCCi> checking for KDE header files... "FAILED"
[09:50] <xsacha> oh
[09:50] <Jucato> hm..
[09:51] <KoluCCi> xsacha: it can't found KDE directory too
[09:51] <Jucato> I'm not sure anymore... @_@
[09:51] <macoxp> xsacha: i'm confused what do i do now that i'm in fdisk lol
[09:51] <xsacha> do: p   macoxp
[09:51] <xsacha> do: m            to see list of commands like it says btw
[09:51] <macoxp> Disk /dev/hdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
[09:51] <macoxp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
[09:51] <macoxp> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:51] <macoxp>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:52] <KoluCCi> macoxp: try out cfdisk
[09:52] <xsacha> empty?
[09:52] <KoluCCi> This utility is more friendly to user
[09:52] <macoxp> Disk /dev/hdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
[09:52] <macoxp> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
[09:52] <macoxp> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[09:52] <macoxp>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:52] <draik> !pastebin
[09:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:52] <macoxp> oops
[09:52] <xsacha> you said that already :S
[09:52] <macoxp> DOS Compatibility flag is not set
[09:52] <xsacha> hard drive empty right?
[09:52] <macoxp> xsacha: yah nothing on it
[09:53] <Jucato> macoxp: please use pastebin next time. thanks :)
[09:53] <xsacha> now do: n             p                1      (all seperate)
[09:53] <KoluCCi> xsacha: checking for the general KDE directory... failed...continuing with normal checks
[09:53] <macoxp> Jucato: how do i do that?
[09:53] <KoluCCi> After updating kde-devel
[09:53] <Jucato> !pastebin | macoxp
[09:53] <ubotu> macoxp: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:53] <xsacha> go to that pastebin link and paste your stuff in there
[09:53] <KoluCCi> KDEDIR is set to /etc/kde3
[09:54] <xsacha> alternatively, paste it to me in private message
[09:54] <macoxp> xsacha: n: command not found
[09:55] <flaccid> so macoxp did you run du?
[09:55] <maryen_> hmm
[09:55] <macoxp> flaccid: du?
[09:55] <maryen_> im thinking about switching to gentoo
[09:55] <bbt> samba and edgy.. pointless battle?!?!
[09:55] <xsacha> n from clean is not found? ^o) yeah should be in: sudo fdisk /dev/hdb1
[09:56] <macoxp> xsacha: i did sudo
[09:56] <maryen_> hoping to better introduce myself to linux thru it, and boost my computer speed as well
[09:56] <xsacha> what are you in right now? what was last letter you used that worked?
[09:57] <macoxp> xsacha: wanna just vpn and show me lol
[09:58] <Eeyore_Jr> maryen_: linux from scratch
[09:58] <xsacha> no :P
[09:58] <xsacha> private message -->
[09:58] <maryen_> Eeyore_Jr: thats kinda scary
[09:58] <macoxp> xsacha: it sayd i'm blocked
[09:59] <xsacha> register an account: /msg nickserv register password
[09:59] <maryen_> Eeyore_Jr: ill go to gentoo first
[09:59] <macoxp> xsacha: do i put my nick instead of nickserv?
[10:00] <xsacha> no
[10:00] <xsacha> just replace password, everything else is fine
[10:00] <Eeyore_Jr> www.linuxfromscratch.org
[10:00] <xsacha> http://www.crux.nu
[10:01] <maryen_> hmm
[10:16] <cpk2> its almost as quiet as kubuntu-offtopic
[10:17] <Jucato> sssshhh
[10:17] <Jucato> :P
[10:17] <cpk2> *almost*
[10:17] <cpk2> I might be able to make kubuntu-offtopic noisier =P
[10:17] <Lynoure> I can ask you something, if you wish, but it's more a #ubuntu+1 thing
[10:18] <Lynoure> Hi, anyone with HP NC8230 who could confirm (or deny) this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64948 ?
[10:21] <cpk2> hrmm nope i guess #kubuntu-offtopic is dead
[10:21] <mzuverink> Can anyone recommend a good cd ripped/encoder, maybe one that is fairly speedy, kaudiocreator is terribly slow.
[10:21] <cpk2> doesnt k3b do it?
[10:21] <mzuverink> cpk2, have not tried that
[10:22] <cpk2> mzuverink: ok maybe it doesnt =P
[10:22] <mzuverink> and I dont ever remember seeing anything about it doing that either
[10:22] <Jucato> mzuverink: you can also try Konqueror. type in "audiocd:/" in the address/URL
[10:22] <Jucato> k3b can also rip
[10:22] <Jucato> pretty soon, kaudiocreator is going bye bye from Kubuntu
[10:23] <mzuverink> Jucato, ill try that
[10:23] <cpk2> Jucato: where is the option to rip?
[10:23] <Jucato> cpk2: where? in K3b? not sure.
[10:24] <cpk2> you can copy a cd but dont think you can rip...
[10:24] <Jucato> cpk2: k3b?
[10:24] <mzuverink> is there a location to change the bitrate for konq rips?
[10:24] <mzuverink> specifically to vbr?
[10:24] <cpk2> Jucato: yes k3b
[10:24] <Jucato> mzuverink: System Settings -> Sound and Multimedia -> Audio CD's
[10:24] <Jucato> !cdripping
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdripping - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <Jucato> err...
[10:25] <Jucato> mzuverink: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[10:25] <cpk2> jack - Rip and encode CDs with one command
[10:26] <mzuverink> Jucato, their now, thanks
[10:26] <flaccid_> firefox 2 repos exist yet for dapper?
[10:26] <Jucato> flaccid_: nope
[10:26] <cpk2> and grabcd-rip - rip and encode audio CDs - ripper
[10:26] <flaccid_> Jucato: we need unofficial repos?
[10:26] <flaccid_> coz dapper aint getting it?
[10:27] <Jucato> flaccid_: Dapper might get it. It's not yet here probably because it's not *officially* released yet (direct link to FTP doesn't count)
[10:29] <Jucato> cpk2: http://k3b.plainblack.com/about Basic idea #3
[10:29] <flaccid_> k
[10:29] <Jucato> cpk2: also read the features a bit further down
[10:30] <cpk2> Jucato: guess i should actually try with a cd in the drive then =P
[10:30] <Search4Lancer> so anyone get transparency to work yet? because I know I sure haven't...
[10:30] <Jucato> cpk2: yeah I guess so :)
[10:30] <Jucato> Search4Lancer: what kind of transparency?
[10:30] <Search4Lancer> the window kind
[10:31] <Jucato> using Composite Manager? or with XGL stuff?
[10:31] <Search4Lancer> my menus are transparent, and that's about it
[10:31] <Search4Lancer> actually... I get errors every time I boot from the Composite Manager
[10:31] <Jucato> Search4Lancer: transparency using the composite manager is buggy (but still useable). XGL requires a bit more work
[10:32] <Jucato> Search4Lancer: you probably didn't enable the Composite extension in your xorg.conf
[10:32] <Search4Lancer> well, where's it at in xorg.conf (or is it something I have to add)?
[10:33] <Jucato> something you have to add...
[10:33] <Search4Lancer> do tell...
[10:34] <Jucato> Search4Lancer: you really want to? like I said, a bit buggy...
[10:34] <Search4Lancer> well, is it gonna kill my system like beryl tried to, or what?
[10:34] <Jucato> hm... hit and miss, I guess...
[10:34] <Jucato> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency#Setting_up_X_Composite_Extension The first part of the instructions there
[10:35] <Jucato> shows what you need to add
[10:37] <teledyn> which flash player works best?
[10:37] <teledyn> i see flashplayer-mozilla, flashplugin-nonfree, swf-player,
[10:39] <cpk2> damn, i shift deleted something i wanted to still keep =X
[10:40] <thill2708> !undelete
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about undelete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <Jucato> :(
[10:41] <cpk2> i used shift-delete
[10:41] <cpk2> i guess ext3 should have a way to undo it
[10:41] <Jucato> there is no return from Shift+Del hell :P
[10:41] <cpk2> oh well
[10:41] <teledyn> frequent backups
[10:41] <cpk2> the file wasnt where it was supposed to be lol
[10:42] <cpk2> organizational error =P
[10:42] <thill2708> "
[10:42] <thill2708> In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it actually zeros out the block pointers in the inode, whereas
[10:42] <thill2708>  ext2 just marks these blocks as unused in the block bitmaps and marks the inode as "deleted" and leaves the block pointers alone.
[10:42] <thill2708>  Your only hope is to "grep" for parts of your files that have been deleted and hope for the best.
[10:42] <thill2708> "
[10:42] <thill2708> gruh. didn't thuink that would span four lines
[10:42] <thill2708> sorry
[10:42] <teledyn> grep through what?
[10:42] <thill2708> no idea
[10:42] <thill2708> http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html
[10:43] <Search4Lancer> okay, now, how do I restart X to see if what I went and one works (without rebooting)?
[10:43] <thill2708> Search: ctrl-alt-backspace
[10:43] <teledyn> i think i remember their being some form of undelete for ext3.  i'd google it.
[10:43] <thill2708> teledyn: I just did
[10:43] <thill2708> It actually zeroes out the blocks...
[10:43] <teledyn> there's these: e2undel and recover
[10:43] <cpk2> thanks for caring but its not *that* serious =)
[10:44] <thill2708> meh, things to do while I wait for fc6 to come out
[10:44] <Jucato> which would be out in a few hours...
[10:45] <thill2708> They didn't do a midnight release :(
[10:45] <thill2708> teledyn: Pretty sure those are ext2 only
[10:45] <teledyn> wow i just remember when 5 was still rc
[10:45] <Jucato> 14:00 GMT... which is about 5 hours from now
[10:45] <fregor> hello
[10:45] <teledyn> thill2708: ext3 is ext2
[10:45] <cpk2> with journaling*
[10:45] <Jucato> ext3 is ext2 + journaling
[10:45] <teledyn> delete the .journal and its ext2
[10:46] <fregor> i'm french help me
[10:46] <teledyn> and you can always recreate the journal once again...
[10:46] <seishinbyou> fregor> I can't help you with that
[10:46] <Jucato> !fr
[10:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:46] <Jucato> seishinbyou: heheh :P
[10:47] <Jucato> Search4Lancer: how is it?
[10:47] <thill2708> from e2undel's website faq:
[10:47] <fregor> savoir utiliser konversation
[10:47] <thill2708> http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/usage.html
[10:47] <thill2708> "Why this does not work with ext3"
[10:47] <teledyn> in other words, i don't think deleting the journal entry would change the bits on the disk, so basically the ext2 undelete should work
[10:47] <teledyn> or
[10:47] <thill2708> In general, ext2 and ext3 are compatible file systems: You can mount an ext3 fs as ext2 and even use the ext2 low level utilities like debugfs.
[10:47] <thill2708> However, ext3 behaves in a different manner in one crucial point: If a file is deleted, its inode data are removed, too. Especially, the list of data blocks is lost; so it is not possible to recover any deleted file.
[10:48] <Jucato> !fr | fregor
[10:48] <ubotu> fregor: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:48] <teledyn> bummer
[10:48] <flaccid_> i find that ext2 undelete never works
[10:48] <fregor> #kubuntu-fr
[10:49] <maya> rag: hola
[10:49] <teledyn> i'm using jfs now
[10:49] <Search4Lancer> Jucato: slow as balls
[10:49] <xsacha> when kernel 2.6.19 comes out:  ext4 :P
[10:49] <xsacha> it's at rc3 right now
[10:50] <teledyn> xsacha: yeah but its still way in the development stage. i wouldn't even think of trying it for a couple years.
[10:50] <thill2708> teledyn; I suppose with something like spinrite or perhaps some other actual physical medium phorensics resurection you could retrieve the data though
[10:50] <teledyn> its in the kernel mainly for development
[10:50] <thill2708> Man, I'd kill for Reiser-4
[10:50] <thill2708> I mean, he did
[10:50] <xsacha> :|
[10:51] <teledyn> thill2708: yeah i've heard of that kind of thing.  there's still layers of material with magnetic impressions on them.
[10:51] <cpk2> yup i can see the "fs of choice for murderers" coming on
[10:51] <thill2708> "Would you kill for linux?"
[10:51] <Jucato> tsk tsk :)
[10:51] <thill2708> "Linux: Ruining relationships with women since '91"
[10:51] <teledyn> i've used reiser, xfs, and now jfs.  jfs seems pretty good so far
[10:52] <teledyn> thill2708: what a great quote
[10:53] <ahmed> hi
[10:53] <thill2708> Maybe she'll have a Reiser Extion?
[10:53] <thill2708> ...too much?
[10:53] <thill2708> meh, it's reaching.
[10:53] <ahmed> when i trry to install compiz under kubuntu 6.06 i got this error
[10:53] <ahmed>  Depends: compiz-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[10:54] <thill2708> anyways, is there any theme worth getting that's better than kubuntu's stock bouncyball purple?
[10:54] <xsacha> an emerald theme?
[10:54] <macoxp> xsacha: hey
[10:54] <xsacha> hi
[10:54] <seishinbyou> Something more blueish?  Anything other than the pinstripes Mac OS uses
[10:54] <thill2708> xsacha: don't got beryl or emerald
[10:55] <xsacha> get them :D
[10:55] <thill2708> stable?
[10:55] <thill2708> tv-out?
[10:55] <xsacha> :( you need tv-out?
[10:55] <macoxp> xsacha: it shows up in the gui but it gives me a error hold on i'll see what it was
[10:55] <thill2708> xsacha desperately
[10:55] <thill2708> bsg/lost/the office/movies all up on the flatscreen
[10:55] <thill2708> totally ruined by the s-video of course ;)
[10:56] <ahmed> when i trry to install compiz under kubuntu 6.06 i got this error
[10:56] <xsacha> why not use flatscreen as monitor?
[10:56] <macoxp> xsacha: could not mount device. the reported error was: mout: cant find dev/hdb1 in etc/fstab
[10:56] <ahmed> Depends: compiz-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[10:56] <xsacha> oh yeah that's fine macoxp
[10:56] <thill2708> already have the svideo cables, and I don't think that the next tv I buy when I move in a little while will have the right connector
[10:56] <macoxp> xsacha: it's fine?
[10:56] <xsacha> it's just automounted cause it's not in /etc/fstab
[10:56] <xsacha> not automounted*
[10:57] <macoxp> xsacha: so it's just gonna pop up everytime i access the drive?
[10:57] <seishinbyou> ahmed> I saw a similar error in relation to other things; I don't remember how I fixed it unfortunately
[10:57] <xsacha> access it?
[10:57] <sF|Xemanth> When is the official release date for Kubuntu Edgy Eft ? its not in topic :|
[10:57] <xsacha> it's empty lol
[10:57] <seishinbyou> lots of apt-get -f install and apt-get remove --purgestuff
[10:57] <macoxp> xsacha: but i'm gonna fill it up
[10:57] <xsacha> you can mount it if you want but right now it's empty
[10:57] <ahmed> :(
[10:57] <xsacha> ok, private message -->
[10:57] <macoxp> xsacha: how do i log in it says i'm not registered again
[10:57] <thill2708> sf: on the 27th, I think
[10:58] <seishinbyou> anyways, I have to head off to another meeting...lovely
[10:58] <xsacha> ok: /msg nickserv identify password
[10:58] <ahmed> i wanna try to install xgl but i have this problem :(
[10:58] <thill2708> Xenmanth: but you can just get the RC and apt-get update
[10:58] <Jucato> !schedule sF|Xemanth
[10:58] <wildchild> does anyone know what lines do I have to uncomment? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28084/
[10:58] <Jucato> !schedule | sF|Xemanth
[10:58] <ubotu> sF|Xemanth: Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:58] <wildchild> it's from my sources.list
[10:58] <ahmed> is it possible to install it under kubuntu 6.06
[10:58] <wildchild> !mp3
[10:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:58] <Fuzzy76> Adept and apt both claims a process keeps my package database locked, even after a reboot. Any tips?
[10:59] <Jucato> !adept-crash
[10:59] <sF|Xemanth> aha
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <xsacha> wildchild: line 34 and 36 shouldnt be commented :S why did they fail?
[10:59] <Jucato> Fuzzy76:
[10:59] <thill2708> what are the little boxes in konquerer that come up when I press ctrl?
[10:59] <Jucato> Fuzzy76: try this command in Konsole: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[11:00] <xsacha> for security
[11:00] <Fuzzy76> I think I figured it out... dpkg -configure -a
[11:00] <Fuzzy76> yeah, thanks :)
[11:00] <Jucato> thill2708: I think they're called access keys
[11:00] <Jucato> thill2708: accessibility feature
[11:00] <wildchild> xsacha: I didn't know they were for security..
[11:00] <Fuzzy76> It never fails. I can struggle with a problem for an hour, but the instant I ask for help it resolves itself. :p
[11:00] <thill2708> Jucato: they're all the links on a page lettered as hotkeys... just found that out.. rediculous
[11:00] <ahmed> !copiz
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copiz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <ahmed> !compiz
[11:01] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:01] <Jucato> thill2708: not really ridiculous. It's an accessibility feature that people are actually looking for in most browsers
[11:02] <Jucato> thill2708: if you want to turn them off: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1569
[11:02] <thill2708> nah, they're interesting
[11:02] <thill2708> just caught my eye, and had never seen it before
[11:02] <Jucato> heh
[11:02] <thill2708> "Wtf are all these letters...?"
[11:03] <thill2708> "This is some whacked out bug"
[11:03] <thill2708> It doesn't really get every link, though
[11:03] <Jucato> *that* is the bug :0
[11:03] <Jucato> :)
[11:03] <thill2708> heh!
[11:03] <thill2708> :D
[11:04] <thill2708> shift keys and alt-numbering bytes
[11:04] <Jucato> and when you run out of those? lol
[11:05] <thill2708> the red squares would be ctrl-shift
[11:05] <thill2708> then ctrl-shift-leftshift
[11:05] <thill2708> then I don't know
[11:05] <Jucato> lol
[11:05] <thill2708> then you've got a problem on your hands
[11:05] <thill2708> maybe it should only index the links on teh screen?
[11:05] <Jucato> or a problem with the web page :)
[11:07] <thill2708> Is there a skeleton for my own server start|stop|restart script to put in /etc/init.d?
[11:08] <thill2708> a skeleton file that is
[11:08] <Search4Lancer> in Adept, what is the difference between removal and purging?
[11:09] <Jucato> Search4Lancer: same difference in apt-get, or any apt-based app: remove just uninstalls/removes the program while purge also removes the configuration files that were installed/setup with the program
[11:10] <Search4Lancer> awesome, Adept randomly closed itself...
[11:11] <Search4Lancer> well, looks like it took care of it, so, no matter
[11:13] <cpk2> could just use apt-get =P
[11:17] <thill2708> Is there a way to create a launcher on my desktop that issues the following command: echo "enabled: 1" > /proc/acpi/acer/wireless
[11:17] <thill2708> but in su mode/
[11:17] <thill2708> ?
[11:32] <morghanphoenix> http://www.vendetta-online.com/
[11:32] <morghanphoenix> Sorry, but I have to promote this at least a little
[11:33] <morghanphoenix> Better than most windows games I've played in it's genre.
[11:34] <thill2708> Is there a way to create a launcher on my desktop that issues the following command: echo "enabled: 1" > /proc/acpi/acer/wireless
[11:34] <thill2708> but in su mode?
[11:39] <macoxp> hey how do you run konqueror as root?
[11:39] <Jucato> macoxp: Alt+F2, "kdesu konqueror"
[11:41] <macoxp> ok not what i ment how do i open system:/media/sda1 as root?
[11:41] <xsacha> that's how you do it
[11:42] <Jucato> launch Konqueror as root, then go to that location/directory...
[11:42] <xsacha> just type in /media/sda1 in address
[11:42] <macoxp> thanks !
[11:43] <xsacha> what is sda1, did you find out? it looks like a raid drive
[11:43] <Jucato> could also be a usb drive...
[11:43] <Jucato> (or a usb card reader..)
[11:43] <Jucato> or a...
[11:43] <xsacha> it's 300GB
[11:43] <Jucato> whoa
[11:43] <Jucato> I didn't see that :P
[11:43] <xsacha> i think
[11:43] <macoxp> hmmm it's still giveing me access is denied errors
[11:44] <xsacha> macoxp: what drive is it? it's 290GB or something?
[11:44] <cpk2> or its a sata
[11:44] <macoxp> i have 40gb maxtor, 120gb wd both IDE, and a 300gb sata maxtor
[11:44] <cpk2> and you shouldnt need root to view it?
[11:45] <macoxp> cpk2: I'M TRYING TO GET FILES OFF MY OLD NTFS PARTATION SO I CAN REFORMAT IT AS LINUX
[11:45] <macoxp> oops
[11:45] <macoxp> sorry for caps
[11:45] <xsacha> ahh 300gb sata
[11:45] <cpk2> ohhh ntfs
[11:46] <xsacha> you need to have ntfs read in kernel, dont know if it is in kubuntu?
[11:46] <xsacha> anyone know if it's in generic kernel kubuntu uses?
[11:46] <macoxp> xsacha: i could read my last drive just fine this one is giveing me problems tho
[11:46] <xsacha> oh ok
[11:46] <xsacha> is that drive in your fstab?
[11:46] <cpk2> i think so but you need fuse
[11:47] <cpk2> sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o umask=0007 is all you need to do?
[11:47] <cpk2> well sda1 in your case
[11:47] <macoxp> xsacha: i remember somthing about permissions when i loaded it but i cant remember what it was
[11:47] <monad> hi... how do i make a full upgrade from badger to edgy?
[11:47] <xsacha> it's already mounted, need to unmount?
[11:48] <macoxp> xsacha: hu?
[11:48] <cpk2> macoxp: how did you mount it?
[11:48] <xsacha> it must have automounted.. but maybe not as ntfs? :S
[11:48] <macoxp> cpk2: i used teh auto utilit
[11:48] <cpk2> macoxp: unmount it
[11:48] <xsacha> umount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[11:48] <macoxp> cpk2: how?
[11:48] <cpk2> !fuse
[11:48] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[11:49] <xsacha> he doesnt need to write, just read
[11:49] <cpk2> although i guess you might need fuse
[11:49] <cpk2> xsacha: beat me to it
[11:49] <macoxp> it says it's not mounted but i can still browse it what?
[11:50] <xsacha> sudo ntfsmount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o umask=0007
[11:50] <macoxp> xsacha: command not found
[11:50] <xsacha> ntfsmount isnt a command
[11:50] <xsacha> yeah
[11:50] <cpk2> !ntfs
[11:50] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:50] <cpk2> use that link
[11:50] <xsacha> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[11:51] <cpk2> my bad on ntfsmount
[11:51] <macoxp> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/sda1 busy
[11:51] <macoxp> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/sda1
[11:51] <xsacha> what did umount say before?
[11:52] <macoxp> xsacha:
[11:52] <macoxp> umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted
[11:52] <macoxp> umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted
[11:52] <xsacha> good
[11:52] <xsacha> that means it worked
[11:52] <macoxp> so i should be able to copy now right?
[11:53] <xsacha> now you need to mount again: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[11:53] <Carbon_Monoxide> how to make an instant mount of Windows NTFS partition? I don't want to mount it at bootup.
[11:53] <xsacha> Carbon_Monoxide: that's what /etc/fstab is for
[11:54] <macoxp> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/sda1 busy
[11:54] <macoxp> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/sda1
[11:54] <Carbon_Monoxide> ah! Seems like xsacha and macoxp are talking about it. I'm just too late
[11:54] <Carbon_Monoxide> xsacha: I don't want to mount it at bootup
[11:54] <xsacha> oh
[11:54] <xsacha> what hard drive is it? /dev/hda1?
[11:55] <macoxp> sda1
[11:55] <xsacha> not you macoxp :P
[11:55] <macoxp> xsacha: ok lol
[11:55] <Carbon_Monoxide> xsacha '/dev/sdb5'
[11:55] <xsacha> it seems to be automounting for you macoxp :S
[11:55] <xsacha> Carbon_Monoxide: try: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb5 /mnt
[11:55] <macoxp> xsacha: i just cant copy lol
[11:56] <xsacha> macoxp: i think i know problem -- private message --->
[11:56] <Carbon_Monoxide> I did 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb5 [somewhere] '
[11:56] <Carbon_Monoxide> do not need to 'su'?
[11:56] <xsacha> sudo will do
[11:57] <xsacha> it should be mounted at [somewhere] .. didnt work? :S
[11:57] <macoxp> xsacha: how do i log in again i forgot lol
[11:57] <xsacha> macoxp: /msg nickserv identify password
[11:57] <Carbon_Monoxide> I did that, but it doesn't let me browse the mounted directory as the permission is not mine
[11:57] <xsacha> oh :(
[11:58] <xsacha> try kdesu konqueror /dev/sdb5
[11:58] <monad> hi... i'm running badger on a university machine and i'm not too well versed in kubuntu - how can i do a full upgrade to the latest kubuntu version?
[12:00] <Carbon_Monoxide> kdesu konqueror doesn't work properly
[12:00] <thill2708> monad: change your sources.list
[12:00] <cpk2> monad: i think change all the breezy to dapper
[12:01] <cpk2> monad: keep in mind edgy is coming out this week
[12:01] <thill2708> monad: replace all "badger" to "dapper"
[12:01] <monad> so i probably wait for edgy
[12:01] <xsacha> what's problem?
[12:01] <thill2708> then gksudo "update manager -c -d"
[12:01] <cpk2> kdesu*
[12:01] <gzevspero> Hi, I'm trying to install ruby, I type ./configure --prefix=$HOME but get the error "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables". I just installed the latest gcc. What could this be?
[12:01] <Jucato> cpk2: he can't update to edgy without updating to dapper anyway
[12:01] <thill2708> oh, yeah
[12:01] <cpk2> gnome uses gksudo
[12:02] <cpk2> gzevspero: you cant apt-get the ruby dev files?
[12:02] <monad> where can i get the exact contents of sources.list, or shall i just replace it in there manually
[12:02] <cpk2> !easysource
[12:02] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:02] <monad> jucato: is that so?
[12:02] <Jucato> monad: I believe so
[12:02] <thill2708> monad: very
[12:02] <cpk2> monad: skipping releases during upgrades is not recommended
[12:02] <monad> ok...
[12:03] <thill2708> It's iffy to upgrade this way anyways, your best bet is to just reinstall
[12:03] <thill2708> best recomendation: make a /home partition
[12:03] <monad> seriously?
[12:03] <monad> reinstall?
[12:03] <thill2708> oh yeah
[12:03] <cpk2> no upgrading by 1 version shouldnt be iffy
[12:03] <monad> i thought kubuntu was a practical distro
[12:03] <cpk2> that is bad advice!
[12:03] <thill2708> badger to edgy?
[12:04] <gzevspero> cpk2: what would I type to do apt-get the ruby dev files (newbie)?
[12:04] <thill2708> he said he was going to wait for edgy
[12:04] <Carbon_Monoxide> xsacha: 'kdesu konqueror /[mnted dir] ', but 'kdesu konqueror /dev/sdb5' doesn't
[12:04] <cpk2> badger to dapper
[12:04] <monad> well then i'll upgrade to dapper and then to edgy
[12:04] <vany> deutsch
[12:04] <Jucato> monad: yes. Badger -> Dapper then -> Edgy
[12:04] <monad> another question: i have trouble getting ssh to work properly on this machine... it
[12:05] <monad> s possible to get out oh it, but not into it
[12:05] <godmachine81> can someone tell me if the firefox in kubuntu's repos is built with QT or if it uses gtk2 ?
[12:05] <Jucato> Carbon_Monoxide: you can't browse a /dev afaik
[12:05] <Carbon_Monoxide> Jucato: yea!
[12:06] <Carbon_Monoxide> well... How about making the mounted NTFS partition READ ONLY?
[12:07] <vany> hi
[12:08] <nii_> hello every one
[12:08] <vany> hi nii
[12:08] <nii_> how ru doing vany
[12:08] <vany>  good and you?
[12:08] <cpk2> gzevspero: when you apt-get ruby it will probably recommend the dev package
[12:08] <nii_> am also doing great
[12:09] <vany>  where are you come from?
[12:09] <Carbon_Monoxide> would 'mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/sdb1 /[mnt dir] ' do?
[12:09] <monad> ok, after i got a new sources.list, what then?
[12:09] <nii_> am in Africa, Ghana
[12:09] <nii_> and what about you
[12:09] <vany> im from germany
[12:09] <vany> how old are you?
[12:09] <nii_> oh that's nice
[12:09] <nii_> but have you heard of Ghana
[12:10] <vany> yeah, i know where ghana is
[12:10] <vany> im 15 and you?
[12:10] <nii_> ok
[12:10] <xsacha> oh sorry Carbon_Monoxide .. yeah that's what i meant :P
[12:10] <Tm_T> Hi kids.
[12:10] <Jucato> hi Tm_T, sir :)
[12:10] <vany>  how old are you nii??
[12:11] <nii_> am 24
[12:11] <nii_> what oprating system do u use
[12:11] <Jucato> O_O
[12:11] <Carbon_Monoxide> xsacha: do you mean 'kdesu konqueror /[mnt dir] '?
[12:11] <Tm_T> Jucato: Sir? =)
[12:11] <xsacha> yes
[12:11] <Jucato> guys this is not a private/general chat room
[12:11] <vany> konversatoin ICR chat
[12:11] <nii_> am 24
[12:11] <nii_> am 24
[12:11] <nii_> have you got it
[12:11] <nii_> it's like my net is very slow
[12:11] <vany> do you have something like icq odr msn?
[12:12] <Jucato> vany: yes I know. but this chat room is for Kubuntu  support
[12:12] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[12:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:12] <vany> ah okay
[12:12] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:12] <Jucato> vany: Kopete can handle ICQ and MSN
[12:12] <vany> thanks jucato
[12:12] <vany> for msn and icq i handle with gaim
[12:13] <Jucato> vany: Kopete is the KDE counterpart of GAIM
[12:13] <vany> ah okay
[12:13] <vany> where are you come from jucato?
[12:13] <ubuntu> hi
[12:14] <Jucato> vany: Philippines
[12:14] <vany> hi ubuntu
[12:14] <ubuntu> italiani?
[12:14] <Jucato> !it
[12:14] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:14] <vany> Im from germany
[12:14] <vany> du you handle with gaim or kopete?
[12:15] <Jucato> vany: I use Kopete when I'm on Linux. GAIM when on Windows
[12:15] <Carbon_Monoxide> vany: yea, I know you are from Germany.   :)  You don't have to mention it over again
[12:15] <belsebub> is there any plugin for kopete to show my current status message?
[12:15] <Carbon_Monoxide> belsebub: you don't need any plugin to do that
[12:15] <vany> :)
[12:16] <godmachine81> can someone tell me if the firefox in kubuntu's repos is built with QT or if it uses gtk2 ?
[12:16] <Jucato> belsebub: like if you hover your mouse over the protocol icon at the status bar?
[12:16] <vany> can you give me your ID for icq ? please...
[12:16] <belsebub> ah! now i see :D thanks Jucato
[12:18] <vany> how old are you jucato?
[12:20] <vany> how old are you jucato?
[12:20] <Carbon_Monoxide> doh ! 'mount' made a "System Volume Information" onto my Windows partition!
[12:20] <Jucato> vany: 23
[12:20] <Jucato> Carbon_Monoxide: that's from Windows :)
[12:20] <vany>  okay
[12:21] <Carbon_Monoxide> Jucato: ahh! that would be fine  :)  thanks! Jucato
[12:21] <Jucato> iirc, System Volume Information is a hidden system directory in Windows
[12:22] <Carbon_Monoxide> Jucato, you seems like knowing alot about OS and file system
[12:22] <vany> i have to go now! bye jucato and co
[12:22] <Jucato> Carbon_Monoxide: not a lot
[12:22] <Jucato> vany: bye!
[12:22] <vany> bye bye
[12:22] <Jucato> Carbon_Monoxide: it just so happens that I wondered about that same folder, too :)
[12:23] <Carbon_Monoxide> Jucato: so is there any way to do with the permission to the mounted dir
[12:24] <Jucato> hm... to be honest, I don't recall how I setup my ntfs/fat32 partitions...
[12:24] <Jucato> I think I just used the Disks & Filesystems module from System Settings
[12:28] <monad> can someone help me setting up ssh, so that i can't just tunnel outside, but also inside?
[12:29] <Carbon_Monoxide> Jucato: I'm revising the 'mount' Linux man page tho
[12:34] <some0ne> (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727)
[12:34] <some0ne> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[12:34] <some0ne> =(  !
[12:34] <some0ne> Damn proprietary driver!
[12:35] <some0ne> Is anyone in here using ati drivers successfully?
[12:39] <maikelnight> can anybody help me configuration samba client?
[12:39] <maikelnight> configurating, sorry
[12:40] <Carbon_Monoxide> finally got it work
[12:41] <Carbon_Monoxide> 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro -o uid=[uid]  /dev/sdb1 ~/mntdir' got it work for specified user
[12:43] <Guest630> hi
[12:43] <izizi> hi
[12:44] <izizi> i just quickly wanted to ask, i am going to install kubuntu on my old 1mhz powerbook anything specific i have to watch out for? one of you guys have experience with this setup ?
[12:45] <Carbon_Monoxide> What? 1 MHz powerbook?
[12:45] <Jucato> O_o
[12:45] <izizi> did i get something wrong there ?
[12:46] <Carbon_Monoxide> hmm... sorry, I just cannot imagine the performance of a 1MHz machine
[12:46] <Jucato> 1Mhz?
[12:46] <Carbon_Monoxide> Perhaps I'm too young. Sorry!
[12:46] <monad> can i just apt-get remove kdm if i don't want any graphical login manager?
[12:47] <izizi> uh jah its a ghz sorry
[12:47] <Jucato> whew :)
[12:47] <Carbon_Monoxide> LOL
[12:47] <izizi> :)
[12:47] <Tm_T> 8 MHz is enough for lots of things.
[12:48] <Carbon_Monoxide> Tm_T: yeah!
[12:49] <Carbon_Monoxide> I've been using a 80386 with several MHz
[12:49] <some0ne> !xen
[12:49] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[12:52] <izizi> okay besides the mhz ghz struggle i have and the amusement for you guys, anything i should consider or are there any how twos installing kubuntu on a powebook?
[12:52] <Carbon_Monoxide> and a 4MHz powerpc can do many jobs
[12:53] <monad> hmmm... i just ran apt-get remove kdm, which worked fine, but when i start kde now, the toolbar is missing. when i try to reinstall kdm, it tells me:
[12:53] <monad> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[12:53] <monad> had this problem before, and it nearly broke everything
[12:55] <esas> hellooooooooooooooooo
[12:55] <esas> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:55] <esas> why is nobody here
[12:55] <esas> #nl-kubuntu
[12:55] <some0ne> Seriously. :-\
[12:55] <Carbon_Monoxide> hella esas
[12:56] <esas> can i help you
[12:56] <esas> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[12:56] <Carbon_Monoxide> yes if I got problem
[01:04] <monad> weird, my kde toolbar is just gone
[01:05] <rahmetli> monad: log out and log in back again :)
[01:05] <monad> rah: i even rebootet
[01:05] <some0ne> monad Hold alt-f2, type xterm to open a terminal. Type kicker, give me the output.
[01:06] <monad> i ran apt-get remove kdm, which obviously also removed the kubuntu-default-settings, i reinstalled both, and the funny thing is, the toolbar is there, it's just empty except for the console
[01:07] <monad> and kicker is already running
[01:07] <kirk> whats the standard installation size of kubuntu on HDD?
[01:08] <hirs> hi
[01:12] <macoxp> xsacha: crash lol
[01:13] <macoxp> it's working!
[01:13] <hirs> Is there a way to convert kde mimetypes to firefox mimetypes?
[01:14] <monad> this is really weird.... i just upgraded to dapper, everything worked fine, then i removed kdm, and now it seems highly unstable
[01:14] <monad> i reinstalled kdm and kubuntu-default-settings, which had been removed
[01:15] <monad> now when i login as user, the X session last for about one minute then terminates itself
[01:15] <hirs> monad: do you have enough disk space?
[01:15] <monad> hirs: more than enough
[01:16] <monad> logging in as root and starting X works fine
[01:16] <macoxp> hirs: there can never be enough
[01:16] <monad> removing kdm under badger worked fine
[01:16] <hirs> monad: you could see what is going on by runing xinit and then in the xterm starkde, you will see all the kde starting messages
[01:17] <monad> is there some ind of rc script to let kdm remain installed and stop kdm permanently as under gentoo?
[01:19] <monad> but why could it be that the kde/X config for the user is broken while it works for root?
[01:19] <hirs> monad: you may check /tmp/* permissions
[01:19] <macoxp> hey what should i do about video codics i cant watch anything
[01:19] <monad> hirs: /tmp/ is set to drwx------
[01:21] <hirs> monad: you should check /tmp/kde-<your_user> is owned by your user
[01:21] <monad> hirs: it is
[01:22] <hirs> monad: weird, have you check startkde output?
[01:22] <monad> hirs: as i said, i can start an X session, but it terminates itself after a while, there's no background image and the toolbar is empty
[01:22] <monad> it was stable under badger, where i removed kdm manually
[01:23] <monad> because the guy working on the machine abhors graphical login managers
[01:24] <hirs> can you do an xinit and then launch kwrite from the xterm?
[01:24] <monad> while inside kde?
[01:25] <hirs> nop, when you run xinit, you get an X server and a xterm, no wm no extra apps
[01:25] <monad> ok, will try, just a sec
[01:28] <macoxp> i cant play video
[01:28] <macoxp> anyone help?
[01:28] <monad> hirs: worked....
[01:29] <monad> hirs: the weird thing is, i can login as user without problems, even run startx, just kde looks strange, the toolbar is empty except for a console, not even the kde menu on the far left is there
[01:29] <monad> hirs: and no window list
[01:30] <Carbon_Monoxide> monad: Would making the runlevel 3 to the init do what you want?
[01:31] <monad> carbon: i don't know... the only thing i actually wanted to do is remove kdm, so that after i boot, i just stay inside the terminal
[01:31] <hirs> monad: may be your kde config has messed up, you could try mv .kde .kde.bak then startx and see what
[01:32] <monad> hirs: yes, that's probably what happened
[01:34] <monad> weird weird... i still don't trust kubuntu
[01:36] <ubuntu> who is ubuntu expert here :-)
[01:37] <ubuntu> if you are Ubuntu expert and can help me can you so write private to me
[01:38] <macoxp> can someone help me play video
[01:43] <Carbon_Monoxide> monad: might removing kdm in '/etc/rc2.d' do? (you have to check if your runlevel at startup is 2
[01:44] <Carbon_Monoxide> monad: Perhaps removing it would be an dangerous action, you bare the risk to do that
[01:44] <ubuntu_Botan> who is ubuntu expert here :-)
[01:44] <ubuntu_Botan> if you are Ubuntu expert and can help me can you so write private to me
[01:46] <tony_> I made some changes to my grub.conf in a root konsole. How do I save it?
[01:48] <sam_> Hi Folks, I am running ubuntu edge x86_64 and I have 32bit firefox running through the linux32 command. The problem I am having is that flash does not have any sound. I have killed artsd and tried to run though aoss, but it is still silent. Is there something I am doing wrong?
[01:49] <makoto-san> salut tous le monde :)
[01:50] <makoto-san> quelqun peut-il m'aider ?
[01:50] <Lynoure> sam_: Try on #ubuntu+1 the beta versions are discussed more there
[01:50] <Lynoure> !fr
[01:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:50] <makoto-san> oki
[01:50] <makoto-san> merci beaucoup
[01:50] <Lynoure> you are welcome :)
[01:50] <sam_> Lynoure, thank you :)
[01:52] <Lynoure> sam_: occasionally on dapper I have had flash soundlessness, but restarting the browser has helped then, edgy might have different causes
[01:53] <wildchild> !mp3
[01:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:58] <zerak> i have asked this question several times before but no good solution yet. Haveing DHCP client problem (at least i think since my network get fixed after requesting a new ip), sometimes it works but mostly not. I read some old bug report about dhcp trouble but nothing that helped me
[01:58] <monad> hm, something seems to have changed in all the glu, glut stuff from badger to dapper
[01:58] <monad> i get an awful lot of error messages when i compile
[01:59] <monad> anyone into this?
[01:59] <zerak> i am a newbie but you got all things installed, all dependencies?
[02:01] <teledyn> i installed the menu package but still do not have the debian submenu.  anyone know how to get it?
[02:01] <monad> yes
[02:01] <monad> but it seems there've been changes
[02:01] <monad> so somewhere f.e. it's looking for ../GL/gl.h, yet there is no such file
[02:01] <monad> looks like an inconsistency
[02:01] <monad> because one file is calling the other one
[02:03] <esas> #nl-kubuntu
[02:03] <Jucato> !nl
[02:03] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[02:05] <teledyn> Niederlandische Unterstutzung fr Ubuntu findet man in #ubuntu-nl
[02:10] <kebe18> come si f ad ascoltare mp3?.... mi sono gi scaricato amarok, juk, noatun, rhythmbox......
[02:10] <tuskernini> a bisogna di codecs w32codecs
[02:21] <macoxp> hey can someone help me update my open office?
[02:21] <BadRabbit320> ok, how do I get Adept to let me install...tells me I'm "read-only"
[02:24] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: does it say that something else is using the package database (or something like that)?
[02:25] <Jucato> macoxp: what do you mean? version 2.0.2 is still the latest on Dapper
[02:25] <macoxp> Jucato: oh 2.0.4 not out yet hu?
[02:25] <Jucato> macoxp: not for Dapper, at least
[02:25] <Jucato> !openoffice.org edgy
[02:25] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[02:25] <Jucato> Edgy will have that 2.0.4
[02:26] <macoxp> Jucato: alrighty
[02:27] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: sometimes, others it sits there for a few sec's, asks for pw, then nothing
[02:28] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: oh... I don't now that one. sorry :(
[02:30] <Distro^Junkie> can someone tell me why my monitor module wouldn't be loading ? currently using kubuntu edgy
[02:31] <Distro^Junkie> worked fine for a few days then all of the sudden my monitor is all out of wack
[02:32] <BadRabbit320> anyone know why Adept tells me I'm "read only"?
[02:33] <BadRabbit320> nothing in the taskbar running other than Adept once I've clicked it
[02:33] <Carbon_Monoxide> BadRabbit320: Your sentances are hard to be understood
[02:34] <BadRabbit320> Adept tells me I am "read-only"; can't make any changes or install any pkgs
[02:35] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: just a hunch, try running this command in Konsole: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:35] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: ok, trying...
[02:36] <Jucato> er going afk for a while... sorry...
[02:38] <Carbon_Monoxide> BadRabbit320: Did it prompt you to input your root password while starting Adept?
[02:39] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: now I can't enter my pw...
[02:39] <Jucato> O_o
[02:40] <Jucato> that can't be right...
[02:40] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: still won't take input for pw
[02:40] <Carbon_Monoxide> BadRabbit320: What's meant by "can't enter pw"?
[02:40] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: you see the box where you need to input your password, but you can't type in it?
[02:42] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: correct
[02:42] <Jucato> hmm...
[02:43] <BadRabbit320> after entering the command, screen drops to next line for pw, but won't allow any text
[02:43] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: aaaah
[02:43] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: that's the normal way you enter passwords in Konsole/command line
[02:44] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: yeah, imagine how "I" feel...
[02:44] <Jucato> you just type in your password and press Enter. you won't see anything that you type
[02:44] <Jucato> I thought you were talking about the dialog box that appears when you try to run Adept
[02:44] <BadRabbit320> Jucato:  ok, trying again...
[02:49] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: pardon a noob's ignorance, it's setting up a bunch of files now
[02:49] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: ah. Adept must have crashed earlier so it wasn't able to finish what it was doing. hence, you got locked out
[02:51] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: what would/could Adept be doing when I first tried to open it?  Does it run automatically?
[02:51] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: is it the very first time you ever opened it?
[02:52] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: no
[02:52] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: do you recall if you tried to install/remove/upgrade something before this started happening
[02:53] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: I usually go in, check for pkgs, then sudo apt-get them
[02:53] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: haven't opened it for a cpl days
[02:53] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: ah something with apt-get then, probably
[02:56] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: sudo apt-get seems to do a better install, some things tell me I need to get add'l pkgs to run them, sudo a-g pulls everything at the same time...guess u guys call them "dependencies"...
[02:56] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: yes. and Adept is just a pretty GUI for apt-get. so it also tells you the same things
[02:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[02:57] <Jucato> morning BluesKaj
[02:57] <BluesKaj> hi Jucato
[03:01] <astronaute> hello
[03:01] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: one thing I noticed (talking w/cpk2), icon'slicer is listed in Adept, but when I try to sudo a-g, it says it isn't a pkg (or something to that effect)
[03:02] <josh__> whats up people... anyone in here program in C++?
[03:02] <astronaute> i mounted a ntfs partition in kubuntu with mp3 files, BUT when i click on them in konqueror to play them in XMMS, there are special caracters apearing in the name of the file in XMMS
[03:02] <astronaute> and if I open the same file in XMMS (open file...) everything is ok
[03:02] <BluesKaj> astronaute , file association tags maybe?
[03:02] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: what's the package name?
[03:03] <Carbon_Monoxide> BadRabbit320: Is there any pkg manager that you are running other than Adept?
[03:03] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: icon-slicer
[03:03] <astronaute> BluesKaj what tags ?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> mp3 ID tags
[03:03] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: I can install it using apt-get without problems
[03:03] <astronaute> BluesKaj if i open same file directly in XMMS i have no problem
[03:04] <astronaute> if i open it by konqeror it cant play
[03:04] <Carbon_Monoxide> josh_: What's up?
[03:05] <astronaute> i dont understand why you are talking about mp3 ID tags sorry
[03:05] <astronaute> its all about file names
[03:05] <BluesKaj> don't open in konq
[03:06] <Carbon_Monoxide> astronaute: Are your tags multi-byte-fonts?
[03:06] <astronaute> Carbon_Monoxide how to check it ?
[03:06] <astronaute> its french kubuntu
[03:06] <astronaute> maybe its because of that
[03:06] <astronaute> but its really weird
[03:08] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: ok, now that adept is fixed, I'll try again.  no, only adept or sudo a-g
[03:08] <Carbon_Monoxide> astronaute: try "Option > Prefrerences > Fonts > Options > Use fontsets"
[03:08] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: ok. glad that it's working again :)
[03:10] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: THANKS! getting icon-slicer now!!!
[03:10] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: no prob :)
[03:11] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: how do I up kde from 3.2 to 3.5?
[03:11] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: sure you don't want to wait for Edgy?
[03:12] <BadRabbit320> Jucato:  new to linux anyway...what's another cpl days...?
[03:13] <ctw> Hi! I upgraded to Edgy and now my dual monitor xinerama setup is broken. I'm using the same xorg.conf file as under dapper. I have an integrated centrino graphics chip with the i810 driver. Does anybody know anything about this / have any suggestions? I'm happy to post my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log ...
[03:14] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: when the time comes, I'll just d/l an iso, burn it, reformat this hd, install edgy...
[03:14] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: well just 2 days more actually... :)
[03:14] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: or you can simply dist-upgrade to Edgy from Dapper
[03:14] <ctw> the display on the 2nd Monitor is all screwed up (e.g. the background doesn't get redrawn when a window is moved there)
[03:14] <astronaute> Carbon_Monoxide ths but its doesnt works
[03:15] <astronaute> kubuntu is a bit bugged for media files no ?
[03:15] <xsacha> what bugged?
[03:15] <astronaute> for exemple if i choose to open mp3 files alweys with xmms, its still open them with amarok
[03:16] <astronaute> and i cant just drag and drop mp3 files into xmms playlist, but this is maybe xmms limitation
[03:16] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: I stuck a 10gig hd in this(for data), but after reading the how-to's, it's still sitting inside, seen, but not accessible...oh, well back to the how-to's
[03:17] <astronaute> is there any other mp3 players where I can just drag & drop files in playlist like in winamp ?
[03:17] <xsacha> amarok..?
[03:17] <xsacha> Noatun too :P
[03:17] <astronaute> dont like amarok
[03:18] <Jucato> Juk
[03:18] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: but to install on a fresh format, wouldn't that eliminate any potential problems?
[03:18] <astronaute> when i push play in amarok it doesnt play them its skip all files
[03:18] <astronaute> great =)
[03:18] <BluesKaj> brb
[03:18] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: maybe, or could create more (Edgy is new) :P
[03:18] <xsacha> skips all files? :S
[03:18] <astronaute> yep weird
[03:18] <xsacha> you have it set to random play?
[03:19] <astronaute> nope defaults
[03:19] <astronaute> first time i use it
[03:19] <xsacha> i think that is default
[03:19] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: hmmm...decisions, decisions
[03:19] <xsacha> it should be anyway
[03:19] <astronaute> it doesnt play at all just skipp al files as they were 0 secondes
[03:19] <astronaute> i retry
[03:20] <xsacha> odd, never had that :S
[03:20] <bertu> when i try to open a cd or the konqueror, i am getting this error
[03:20] <bertu> There was an error loading the module Icon View.
[03:20] <bertu> The diagnostics is:
[03:20] <bertu> /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts16BrowserExtension12itemsRemovedERK8QPtrListI9KFileItem
[03:20] <xsacha> maybe Noatun is what you want..
[03:21] <bertu> can ssomeone help mee?
[03:21] <astronaute> it wont work, i push play but it wont play, and stop button is still grey
[03:21] <astronaute> definitly hate amarok
[03:21] <astronaute> i try noatun
[03:21] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: gotta run some errands(...errors?) thanks again! I'm pickin' this up a keystroke at a time...
[03:21] <xsacha> dont let noatun's theme scare you, can change it to much nicer
[03:22] <Jucato> BadRabbit320: that's the way to do it. one thing at a time :)
[03:23] <BadRabbit320> Jucato:  I've already put my sounds in, can hardly wait to get "my" cursor stuck into this penguin...8-0
[03:23] <BadRabbit320> Jucato: GOTTA run...
[03:24] <bertu> also...how can i browse the drives??
[03:25] <astronaute> xsacha
[03:25] <bertu> !konqueror
[03:25] <astronaute> noatun error : arts server blabla
[03:25] <astronaute> normal ?
[03:25] <astronaute> =)
[03:25] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1911 kB, installed size 5168 kB
[03:25] <astronaute> damn kubuntu
[03:25] <astronaute> =)
[03:25] <xsacha> noatun needs arts
[03:25] <astronaute> i have arts in adept
[03:25] <astronaute> it say error instanciating arts
[03:25] <xsacha> btw you can try Kaffeine too, it allows you drag/drop
[03:26] <xsacha> yeah i mean it actually needs arts running
[03:26] <xsacha> System Settings -> Sound System
[03:27] <astronaute> xsacha kafeine same as amarok
[03:28] <astronaute> i push play it stops immediately
[03:28] <xsacha> lol
[03:28] <astronaute> really i dont understand
[03:28] <xsacha> have you got your music to play in any player?
[03:28] <astronaute> of course
[03:28] <xsacha> it's probably not a problem related to the player?
[03:28] <astronaute> xmms play it good, but kubuntu wont allow me to auto open files with it
[03:28] <astronaute> its says ok
[03:28] <astronaute> but its opened by amarok
[03:29] <astronaute> never saw a distro like this
[03:29] <astronaute> and its supposed to be based on debian
[03:29] <xsacha> when you first started amarok, it asked you to install some package for mp3 right?
[03:29] <astronaute> nope
[03:29] <macoxp> can somone help me install azureus 2.5
[03:29] <xsacha> and you installed it?
[03:29] <astronaute> fisrt thing ivce done is upgrade all in adept
[03:29] <xsacha> have you ever installed that package?
[03:29] <astronaute> of course
[03:29] <astronaute> which package ?
[03:30] <xsacha> it doesnt come with distro
[03:30] <astronaute> amarok and kaffeine are isntalled by default
[03:30] <astronaute> i installed xmms
[03:30] <xsacha> you have to download it extra after installing
[03:30] <astronaute> nope
[03:30] <xsacha> yes
[03:30] <astronaute> i have 6.06 dapper
[03:30] <xsacha> to use mp3s
[03:30] <astronaute> ah
[03:30] <astronaute> maybe youre right then
[03:30] <xsacha> it should have given you a popup telling you to
[03:30] <astronaute> but why it doesnt say that it need some extra package damn
[03:30] <xsacha> that popup would do it all for you
[03:31] <xsacha> it does
[03:31] <macoxp> xsacha: *begs* help me install azures 2.5 :D
[03:31] <xsacha> but it wont repear it
[03:31] <xsacha> repeat*
[03:31] <astronaute> on my system i never hade that popup
[03:31] <astronaute> anyway
[03:31] <astronaute> i install it
[03:31] <xsacha> kdemultimedia-kfile-plugin -- do you have this?
[03:32] <xsacha> with an 's' on the end
[03:32] <Jucato> !kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[03:32] <robin> hello, I am trying to install the k7 kernel using the command line in edgy, I am doing it the same way I always have in other kubuntu versions but its not showing up in grub, any idea's anyone?
[03:32] <ubotu> kdemultimedia-kio-plugins: enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 608 kB
[03:33] <xsacha> !kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
[03:33] <ubotu> kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins: au/avi/m3u/mp3/ogg/wav plugins for kfile. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 120 kB, installed size 484 kB
[03:33] <Jucato> lol sorry xsacha :)
[03:33] <Jucato> I guess I need more tea :S
[03:33] <astronaute> i look
[03:33] <astronaute> not same computer sec
[03:34] <astronaute> i have them both xsacha
[03:34] <xsacha> im not sure which ones it downloads because i just clicked OK
[03:34] <astronaute> and i installed all 4 packages for amarok
[03:34] <astronaute> availables in adept
[03:35] <xsacha> but it doesnt come with
[03:35] <xsacha> it asks when you load it up tho
[03:35] <astronaute> i never installed it , maybe xmms installed it dunno
[03:35] <astronaute> but anyways it IS installed =)
[03:35] <xsacha> doubt it
[03:36] <astronaute> and amarok doesnt play files ok no matter, i will use xmms its less bugged, just can someone can tell me how to force kubuntu to open files with xmms instead of amarok ?
[03:36] <astronaute> xsacha im not such noob, it is installed i double checked it in adept and apt
[03:36] <astronaute> you want screenshot maybe
[03:36] <xsacha> what is it called then? because i dont know
[03:36] <astronaute> kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[03:36] <xsacha> no lol
[03:36] <BluesKaj> astronaute , I suggest you load your files into the xmms playlist
[03:37] <astronaute> and sec i look other
[03:37] <xsacha> i told you i dont know what it is called but i am 100% it doesnt come with it
[03:37] <xsacha> it asks you to download it when you first load it and doesn't ask again
[03:37] <astronaute> BluesKaj yes i have to do that because drag and drop doesnt works, but i would like at least to open mp3 files in xmms on click in konqeror and not in amarok
[03:38] <astronaute> xsacha ok then you are maybe right, but chance that that happens to me are near to 0 with bot kaffeine and amarok
[03:38] <xsacha> they only prompt once..
[03:38] <astronaute> im debian user and really read all popups especially error ones
[03:38] <astronaute> anyway it wont work its not problem
[03:38] <BluesKaj> if you move your files into xmms , tou won't need to use konq
[03:38] <astronaute> but how do you explain open with... feature bug ?
[03:39] <xsacha> file associations bug?
[03:39] <tom_> hello, i have an directorie with files: a,b,c,d,e....
[03:39] <astronaute> BluesKaj drag & drop in xmms playlist ? if you are talking about it, it doesnt works
[03:39] <astronaute> xsacha yes
[03:39] <tom_> with rm * i remove them all
[03:39] <astronaute> sorry for my bad e,nglish
[03:39] <xsacha> file associations -> audio -> mp3?
[03:40] <tom_> but i want to remove all except b
[03:40] <xsacha> Application preference Order:
[03:40] <xsacha> XMMS is on top?
[03:40] <tom_> how can i do that
[03:40] <tom_> ??
[03:40] <astronaute> right click on any mp3 file then : open with / choose program / xmms CHECKBOX always open it with this program / Ok
[03:40] <astronaute> doesnt works
[03:41] <xsacha> astronaute: Settings->Properties->File Associations->Audio->x-mp3->XMMS
[03:41] <bertu> can someone help me??
[03:41] <xsacha> properties=configure konqueror
[03:41] <astronaute> settings konqueror ?
[03:41] <astronaute> k i look
[03:41] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[03:41] <bertu> I need someone to help me with conqueror
[03:41] <silvania> Heya, my USB mouse or/and Keyboard dies on random - mostly when i start a new application in X, anyone know how to avoid having to unplug and plug usb devices in again?
[03:43] <astronaute> xsacha great that works now
[03:43] <astronaute> but it wont play in xmms that way
[03:43] <astronaute> :)))))
[03:44] <xsacha> why not?
[03:44] <astronaute> ok so i think i have KDE issue here
[03:44] <astronaute> dunno it says 0:0:0
[03:44] <astronaute> pushing play doesnt works
[03:44] <xsacha> same as amarok?
[03:44] <astronaute> i suppose
[03:44] <bertu> SOMEONE HELPP
[03:44] <bertu> PLS
[03:45] <xsacha> bad or .. most likely.. no plugin
[03:45] <astronaute> no error message
[03:45] <xsacha> try and find/install the mp3 plugin
[03:45] <astronaute> as i said before
[03:45] <bertu> :'( PLSPLSPLSPLSPLSPLSPLS
[03:45] <xsacha> yes if it was bad you'd get error, so it's probably you have no
[03:45] <gnomefreak> bertu: you need to tell us how we can help you if you dont we cant help
[03:45] <astronaute> for exemple file : don't.mp3 appears as don%27t.mp3
[03:45] <astronaute> if i click it in konqueror
[03:46] <astronaute> and if I load it in xmms directly its ok
[03:46] <xsacha> why are you clicking them in konqueror anyway?
[03:46] <astronaute> what that can be ....
[03:46] <xsacha> i think %27 works fine
[03:46] <astronaute> maybe to listen music no ?
[03:46] <xsacha> i've never heard of anyone clicking them in konqueror to listen to them :S
[03:46] <astronaute> yes others files doesnt works too
[03:46] <bertu> at last...someone responded....when i run konqueror it gives this error......
[03:46] <bertu> There was an error loading the module Icon View.
[03:46] <bertu> The diagnostics is:
[03:46] <bertu> /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts16BrowserExtension12itemsRemovedERK8QPtrListI9KFileItemE
[03:46] <astronaute> without any special caracters
[03:46] <xsacha> you add to a playlist via the media player and then listen in there
[03:47] <robin> Anyone know how to  set the order of os's in grub
[03:47] <xsacha> ive never used konqueror for that except for individual files
[03:47] <BluesKaj> astronaute , use xmms to store your mp3 files, not konq
[03:47] <gnomefreak> bertu: what version of konq. what version of kubuntu?
[03:47] <bertu> i have edgy
[03:47] <gnomefreak> bertu: ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:47] <astronaute> xsacha yes but its my gfs computer, its hard to explein her that linux doesnt know how to play mp3 files on click
[03:47] <astronaute> so i have to make it work or find another girl
[03:47] <astronaute> :)
[03:47] <astronaute> kidding
[03:47] <xsacha> teach her how to use the media player and in the mean time, try and find the plugin
[03:48] <xsacha> :P
[03:48] <astronaute> yes, but she is already bored always oppening xmms and adding files
[03:48] <bertu> ok
[03:48] <xsacha> you just add once :S
[03:49] <xsacha> and much faster when you do add
[03:49] <astronaute> you know gfs are weird
[03:49] <xsacha> ..no.. lol
[03:49] <astronaute> she prefer having folder open with mp3s in there
[03:49] <astronaute> and clicking on them
[03:50] <BluesKaj> astronaute , ppl here are giving good advice ...won't work unless you follow it....linux isn't windows , better get used to it
[03:51] <usamahashimi> hi all
[03:51] <astronaute> BluesKaj im on debian, my gf is on kubunto, i hate windows my gf love simplicity
[03:51] <hazard2> *TEST*
[03:51] <hazard2> Wow, I'm confused.
[03:51] <hazard2> I don't have an IP...and I'm here....
[03:52] <xsacha> well, you do :)
[03:52] <astronaute> hazard2 is "hazard" (n=hazard@129.63.27.118)
[03:52] <hazard2> inet addr:169.254.173.242
[03:52] <hazard2> no, I assure you I don't.
[03:52] <xsacha> so?
[03:52] <silvania> anyone else having problems posting new paste on pastebin.com?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> simple enuff to store the mp3s in xmms
[03:53] <xsacha> inet addr:192.168.0.102  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0   -- this is my eth0
[03:53] <xsacha> doesnt mean i have no ip
[03:53] <avuton> Is there a list of known issues for kubuntu 6.10-rc? I'm thinking of migrating my wife over today from OpenSUSE; I want to make sure things go smooth.
[03:53] <hazard2> 169 is the 'self assigned' IP range.
[03:53] <astronaute> hazard2 you are looking in wrong place, you have several eth cards maybe
[03:53] <xsacha> so is 192
[03:53] <hazard2> no, 192 is internal home networking
[03:53] <astronaute> nope 169 means = error
[03:53] <hazard2> (so is 10.*.*.*)
[03:53] <Jucato> avuton: Edgy (6.10) will be released in about 2 days.
[03:54] <hazard2> I know I don't have more than ethcard either
[03:54] <astronaute> hazard2 your ip is 129.63.27.118 actually, so dont try to explain thing you dont master
[03:54] <avuton> Jucato: so if I install -rc today, I can update in 2 days right?
[03:54] <Jucato> avuton: yes
[03:54] <hazard2> and no other internet stuff is worki8ng
[03:54] <avuton> Jucato: sowould you happen to know if any issues?
[03:54] <hazard2> (I'm thinking that IP is the cached hostname from this machine on the IRC server)
[03:54] <astronaute> ok then you are jesus i suppose welcome back
[03:54] <xsacha> maybe your DNS hazard
[03:54] <hazard2> that too
[03:54] <silvania> Here is my problem in detail: http://pastebin.com/812584  still having my usb mouse die when i open programs
[03:55] <Jucato> avuton: not really. there might be some tings they'd try to iron out. but I don't have anything specific
[03:56] <hazard2> Yea, so this is weird (we just lost and got power back a few seconds ago, so I dunno what's going on)
[03:56] <xsacha> i've had that before
[03:56] <silvania> Any help apperciated - so i dont have to unplug and replug my mouse every 5mins!
[03:56] <avuton> Does kubuntu have to lvm support?
[03:57] <xsacha> you're at uni hazard?
[03:57] <hazard2> yes
[03:57] <Jucato> avuton: yes. but you need to use the Alternate Install CD (text based installer) rather than the Desktop CD (Live CD) to have LVM support at installation
[03:57] <xsacha> University of Massachusetts - Lowell
[03:57] <hazard2> so god knows what's going on
[03:57] <hazard2> Yes, its not hard to figure out from DNS
[03:57] <xsacha> it's hard to get it without someones ip
[03:58] <ZeeO> .
[03:58] <avuton> Jucato: thanks again
[03:58] <hazard2> which I'm to lazy to mask inIRC.
[03:58] <xsacha> lol
[03:58] <hazard2> still self assigned.
[03:58] <hazard2> sigh
[03:58] <hazard2> looks like all the ineternet I'm gunna get is IRC
[03:58] <Lynoure> hazard2: try running the interface down or up, or just run dhcp client again
[03:58] <hazard2> (though even this shouldn't be working)
[03:58] <Lynoure> (gone)
[03:59] <xsacha> try not self assigned
[03:59] <hazard2> no, the IP range shoulld be 129.whatever, not 169.whatever
[04:00] <MaterMaravillae> offtopic question: (i'm spanish) How do you call the time period in which if a product you bought stops working you get a free replacement? warranty or guarantee?
[04:00] <xsacha> try http://64.233.167.99 hazard2
[04:00] <hazard2> try for what?
[04:00] <xsacha> see if it's dns?
[04:00] <hazard2> MaterMaravillae: both, sort of
[04:00] <ZeeO> hey what is a good place to insatll unrar to
[04:00] <MaterMaravillae> sort of?
[04:00] <MaterMaravillae> dang
[04:00] <MaterMaravillae> haha
[04:01] <hazard2> yea, google opened.
[04:01] <xsacha> DNS problem then
[04:01] <ZeeO> so i can run it from no matter where
[04:01] <MaterMaravillae> but they're both valid, aren't they?
[04:01] <hazard2> watching the network traffic, it seems everyone is still asking for IPs.
[04:01] <Qaldune> creo q si mater
[04:01] <MaterMaravillae> ok thx hazard2 y Qaldune
[04:02] <hazard2> but warranties I think you generally pay for, and garuentees you just kind of get with the product (EG, a 30day money back gaurentee, vs a 3 year warranty you buy)
[04:03] <MaterMaravillae> oh
[04:03] <macoxp> hey my samba shares stoped working can someone help me?
[04:03] <hazard2> But I'm not sure.
[04:03] <MaterMaravillae> ok hazard2
[04:03] <hazard2> later, off to class
[04:03] <hazard2> (and away from the networking insanity)
[04:04] <BluesKaj> Warranty's are usually the norm , guarantees have more to do with a financial contract than a product .
[04:04] <MaterMaravillae> i just needed to know that i wasn't using a word that doesn't exist
[04:04] <MaterMaravillae> thanks  a lot
[04:04] <MaterMaravillae> ty
[04:04] <BluesKaj> warranty!
[04:04] <JuJuBee> I need assistance.  I installed kubuntu a few weeks ago and recently re-installed ubuntu then the kde stuff.  Under kubuntu, there was a K menu item called System Settings.  I was able to control the Display properties with that.  I have a laptop with external rgp that   I use in my classroom.  Where is the display properties now?  I dont see it with the recent install?
[04:05] <xsacha> in Settings JuJuBee
[04:05] <macoxp> JuJuBee: are you running ubuntu with kde or kubuntu
[04:05] <xsacha> ubuntu with kde from what i understand
[04:05] <JuJuBee> ubuntu with kde
[04:05] <macoxp> hey my samba shares stoped working can someone help me?
[04:06] <xsacha> JuJuBee: default kde from source sticks it in Settings directory
[04:06] <xsacha> menu
[04:06] <JuJuBee> Where do I set mirror or span for my monitor?
[04:06] <xsacha> should be a display option there
[04:06] <MetaMorfoziS> on your monitor's hud;)
[04:07] <MetaMorfoziS> or osd
[04:07] <JuJuBee> Sorry to sy, but there isn't.
[04:07] <xsacha> Monitor & Display
[04:07] <JuJuBee> Nope.
[04:07] <xsacha> it's in Computer Administation menu
[04:07] <przemek> macox: Try on #samba
[04:07] <JuJuBee> No Monitor's & Display.
[04:08] <xsacha> do you have kde control?
[04:08] <JuJuBee> Control Center? Yes
[04:08] <xsacha> yes in there
[04:09] <klerfayt> what is kubuntu edgy channel?
[04:09] <xsacha> here :)
[04:09] <Jucato> klerfayt: you could also try asking in #ubuntu+1
[04:09] <JuJuBee> No monitors and display in any section of kde control center
[04:09] <arriesp> xao gente
[04:10] <xsacha> nothing similar to display?
[04:10] <JuJuBee> Nope.
[04:10] <BluesKaj> monitor/
[04:10] <JuJuBee> no monitor.
[04:11] <xsacha> it's in there somewhere though cause it's always been there for me :P
[04:11] <BluesKaj> appearances?
[04:11] <xsacha> i assumed when he said any section, he checked all sections like appearances
[04:11] <BluesKaj> yeah
[04:12] <robin> is there a program that will configure tv out? I have mine working but just wondering if there is an easior way for next time?
[04:12] <JuJuBee> I Did.  Appearance & Themes
[04:12] <JuJuBee> No monitor settings.
[04:12] <BluesKaj> I haven't run ubuntu for a while ...my memory fades
[04:12] <xsacha> for me: Computer Administration
[04:12] <xsacha> in kubuntu right now
[04:12] <xsacha> from source it was called something else
[04:13] <oslo> when i try to open an audio cd in konqueror i see no files
[04:13] <MetaMorfoziS> whan ff2 relasing?
[04:13] <MetaMorfoziS> i know that in today
[04:13] <xsacha> it has been released yesterday
[04:13] <MetaMorfoziS> but i don't see anywhere
[04:13] <MetaMorfoziS> yes?hmm! i want my firefox 2:)
[04:14] <xsacha> released version is same as rc3
[04:14] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: later this day, I think. but you have to wait for someone to package it in Ubuntu to get it from the repos
[04:14] <MetaMorfoziS> no i like from binary
[04:14] <JuJuBee> Can I install the Monitor Control separately?
[04:14] <MetaMorfoziS> but okay..
[04:14] <macoxp> xsacha: hey can you help me install azures 2.5?
[04:14] <MetaMorfoziS> i can't wait:///
[04:14] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: from repos = binary
[04:14] <xsacha> i dont know what azures is :S
[04:15] <xsacha> !azures
[04:15] <MetaMorfoziS> sorry, so i dthinked to download the tar.bz and mv to /opt...
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about azures - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:15] <MetaMorfoziS> !azureus > xsacha
[04:15] <MetaMorfoziS> ^ typo;)
[04:16] <xsacha> you should have let that paste in channel, it had installation instructions link :P
[04:16] <MetaMorfoziS> i think the flash 9 have some space in the topic...
[04:16] <MetaMorfoziS> notM
[04:16] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[04:16] <xsacha> !azureus>macoxp
[04:18] <macoxp> xsacha: how bot firefox 2 rc3?
[04:18] <macoxp> bout
[04:19] <xsacha> i really dont know.. maybe my amd64 repository is special
[04:19] <xsacha> but firefox 2.0 final is listed in my web section repository
[04:20] <macoxp> xsacha: i download firefox-2.0rc3.tar.gz and now i dont know what to do with it
[04:20] <xsacha> you dont need to, it's in adept
[04:20] <macoxp> xsacha: v2?
[04:20] <xsacha> yes
[04:21] <xsacha> it has been there for about a day i think
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> but in otherways
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> !firefoxNewVersion
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefoxNewVersion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> orsomething else
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> ;)))
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> !firefox
[04:22] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> oh, that^^
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> thattells you what you need with tar.bz
[04:22] <Jucato> er that's a very old wiki
[04:22] <xsacha> if i try to apt-get firefox  -- it installs firefox 2.0 from repository
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> but the apt-get way is easiest
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> old, but work
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ yes? ff2 isn't erlased yet
[04:23] <xsacha> it is
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> (if i know good)
[04:23] <bertu> hey..its working
[04:23] <bertu> XD
[04:23] <bertu> tonio_: working!
[04:24] <macoxp> MetaMorfoziS: hey i searched adept but cant find it
[04:24] <Tonio_> bertu: hehe cool :)
[04:24] <xsacha> 2.0 final has been on public ftp and http since yesterday
[04:24] <xsacha> macoxp: do Fetch Updates
[04:24] <bertu> now...from where can i browe the hdd...sort of the my computer
[04:24] <xsacha> then types in firefox in search, it'll be 2.0
[04:25] <macoxp> i dont see 2.0 anywhere only 1.5
[04:25] <bertu> tonio_: how can i browse the hdd?
[04:26] <xsacha> maybe just for amd64, but i doubt it..
[04:27] <BluesKaj> FF2 can be DL'd here:    ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/
[04:27] <xsacha> ill post a screenshot.... here: http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6544/snapshot1bf6.png
[04:27] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I think they're saying somewhere that downloading it from the FTP directly is "hurting Mozilla"
[04:27] <xsacha> has been in repository as 2.0 for almost a day
[04:28] <xsacha> atleast
[04:28] <bertu> can soneone tell me how to open the "cOmputer?
[04:28] <SHRIKEE> :o
[04:28] <SHRIKEE> grab a screwdriver
[04:28] <macoxp> xsacha: can the wrapper run a 32 bit wireless driver on a 64 bit linux?
[04:28] <BluesKaj> Jucato , I just DL'd it no prob
[04:29] <xsacha> ndiswrapper? not sure
[04:29] <xsacha> BluesKaj: http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6544/snapshot1bf6.png  -- you can d/l from repository
[04:29] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's not you that's going to have the prob. it's them. but anyway, I don't know how it hurts them. they're just sayintg that it does
[04:29] <macoxp> BluesKaj: i want linux-i686 right?
[04:30] <robin> what do most think of automatix here?
[04:30] <BluesKaj> yes macoxp , as long as yer running a new P4 pc
[04:30] <xsacha> evil
[04:30] <SHRIKEE> why is ff2 so big
[04:30] <SHRIKEE> 33M
[04:30] <robin> evil? lol
[04:30] <xsacha> 33M is big? :P
[04:30] <SHRIKEE> well 1.5 is like 6-9M
[04:30] <macoxp> BluesKaj: i'm running a new amd pc :D
[04:30] <hazard2> it is on a 4gb drive
[04:30] <xsacha> all the eyecandy ;)
[04:31] <xsacha> i honestly don't know, i don't use it
[04:31] <SHRIKEE> xsacha, remember a couple of hours ago. the fan control thing i was asking about?
[04:31] <macoxp> xsacha: it must onyl be 64 kubuntu caus i dont see it like you
[04:31] <xsacha> yes shrikee
[04:32] <SHRIKEE> when iclose the lid of my laptop the fan actually turns of
[04:32] <SHRIKEE> untill the lid is opened
[04:32] <xsacha> macoxp: i've had that for almost a day, weird that they would give it to 64 first
[04:32] <MetaMorfoziS> macoxp: please geive me alink for firefox2
[04:32] <MetaMorfoziS> i have never found it
[04:32] <SHRIKEE> but otherwise its on the whole time
[04:32] <MetaMorfoziS> not never, nowhere
[04:32] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[04:32] <xsacha> MetaMorfoziS: ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/
[04:32] <macoxp> why is the firefox downlaod 300 mb's?
[04:32] <macoxp> wtf?
[04:33] <xsacha> that's development one lol
[04:33] <SHRIKEE> lol
[04:33] <SHRIKEE> its 33M
[04:33] <SHRIKEE> not 300
[04:33] <xsacha> the devel one is 300
[04:33] <macoxp> 340.2 mb
[04:33] <hazard2> BAH!!!!!
[04:33] <xsacha> HTTP link: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/
[04:34] <hazard2> It seems all my internet stuff works (and I have an IP), *BUT* Kopte won't connect.
[04:34] <MetaMorfoziS> umuhuhuh i have it form ftp
[04:34] <MetaMorfoziS> thx:D
[04:34] <MetaMorfoziS> its 9.0mb.
[04:34] <xsacha> 5.4MB for me
[04:34] <macoxp> xsacha: what do i do there?
[04:34] <xsacha> but that's cause you choose specific language
[04:35] <macoxp> oh lol i was downloading all the diferent languges lol
[04:35] <xsacha> oh oops, 9.2MB for me :P
[04:35] <xsacha> macoxp: i think you downloaded source
[04:35] <xsacha> 35MB
[04:36] <MetaMorfoziS> yes the 35mb is the source
[04:36] <pielgrzym> anyone knows bash well? I want to have a script that will move mp3 files and folders containing mp3 from download folder to music folder. The problem is I can't figure how to make find copy directories containing mp3 :)
[04:37] <MetaMorfoziS> why not publi is this?
[04:37] <MetaMorfoziS> in getfirefox.com it adverts the oldver...
[04:37] <SHRIKEE> FF2 is not out yet, its only release candidates youer downloading
[04:37] <xsacha> it has been on their public http and ftp for over a day
[04:37] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[04:37] <xsacha> AND this version is IDENTICAL to rc3
[04:37] <MetaMorfoziS> or int htat case why it named firefox2.0?
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> rc23 is in rc3 folder:/
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> not?
[04:38] <SHRIKEE> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> 2-
[04:38] <SHRIKEE> stare to that
[04:38] <hazard2> pielgrzym: cp -r `find {thing to find and where to find it setup so it echos the directory/filename}` {destination folder}
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> Download Firefox 1.5.0.7 for Linux i686, Hungarian (8.1MB)
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> hm,
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[04:38] <xsacha> click on preview below that meta
[04:38] <xsacha> and then click on rcs
[04:38] <xsacha> and then you'll see 2.0 RC 3
[04:38] <MetaMorfoziS> umphumphumph
[04:38] <xsacha> 2.0 RC 3 is identical to 2.0 final
[04:39] <hazard2> though, actually, that would only copy MP3s (assuming you had find looking for the right thing), and you'd have iussues with spaces and special characters.
[04:39] <MetaMorfoziS> so i don1t understand
[04:39] <xsacha> in every way except build string
[04:39] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[04:39] <pielgrzym> hazard2: I use: find [-criteria]  -exec cp {}
[04:39] <MetaMorfoziS> so this is rc3?
[04:39] <MetaMorfoziS> and the latest is not relased
[04:39] <xsacha> final is rc3, but the one you downloaded has final string
[04:39] <pielgrzym> hazard2: but how to choose only the directories containing only mp3?
[04:39] <SHRIKEE> so it seems, MetaMorfoziS
[04:39] <MetaMorfoziS> currently  i have the2-3 days old rc3
[04:39] <hazard2> the crieterica thing for find never works right for me, so usually pipe it into grep
[04:39] <MetaMorfoziS> so no newer relased than this
[04:40] <xsacha> the actualy final is called final and it's the one you are downloading but final is actually rc3 renamed
[04:40] <hazard2> then have a larger script figure out the rest from that
[04:40] <hazard2> (the problem becoming space handling and the like)
[04:40] <pielgrzym> hazard2: find ./ -maxdepth 2 -iname '*.mp3' -exec cp -rf {} mp3ki2/ \; <- this only copies files, I'd like it to copy dirs with mp3 too :)
[04:40] <compudaze> morning
[04:41] <hazard2> then I think you need a larger script to fiugure out "does the folder I'm coping this MP3 from contain only mp3s?" then copy it if it does
[04:41] <SHRIKEE> thats complex, hazard2
[04:41] <hazard2> (you'd likely need realpath, dirname and basename in there somewhere)
[04:41] <pielgrzym> hazard2: could you give me any clues how to determine if a folder has only mp3? I'm a bash newbie :)
[04:41] <hazard2> yea, well, Its how I'd do it (overly complex)
[04:42] <macoxp> the insall instructions you gave me dont work lol
[04:42] <hazard2> umm....
[04:42] <xsacha> cycle through each and check if they end in .mp3
[04:42] <SHRIKEE> lol
[04:42] <hazard2> yup
[04:42] <SHRIKEE> im gonna get dressed
[04:42] <xsacha> if not then skip to next dir
[04:42] <hazard2> echo {filename} | rev | grep '3pm.' <if that returns something then the current file is an mp3
[04:43] <pielgrzym> xsacha: cycle using ls?
[04:43] <xsacha> find/*|grep .mp3         <-- this works to just get all mp3s
[04:43] <xsacha> listed
[04:43] <xsacha> space between find and .
[04:43] <xsacha> slash
[04:43] <pielgrzym> I'll need a loop than to pass the echo results to variables
[04:43] <hazard2> yes
[04:44] <pielgrzym> thanks for tips guys :)
[04:44] <hazard2> while({somecodition}) ; do
[04:44] <hazard2> done
[04:44] <pielgrzym> :)
[04:44] <hazard2> a for loop might work better (but spaces become an issue)
[04:44] <compudaze> Any idea why I can't change to the correct refresh rate in KDE or GNOME? I have the xorg.conf correct I thought. HorizSync is 30-97, and VertRefresh is 50-180 per the monitor specs. I'm trying to set 77hz for 1600x1200 but I can only chose 50hz.
[04:44] <hazard2> which you can fix by turning the spaces into some non-printable character (assuming that that character isn't used anywhere else)
[04:45] <SHRIKEE> ugh amarok is a bitch
[04:45] <pielgrzym> SHRIKEE: yes it is :) but a really nice one ;)
[04:45] <xsacha> it has meta
[04:46] <ravaria> hi
[04:46] <macoxp> pielgrzym: i want it to have all the pritty album art like the new windows player
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> that is rc3, you said...
[04:46] <xsacha> this link mozilla recommends -- it uses roundrobin server -- http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0&os=linux&lang=en-US
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> or i don't undersatnd you.
[04:46] <xsacha> the final release is rc3.. that's how it works
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> it's not in the main sites
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> only in ftps
[04:46] <xsacha> they choose an rc as the final
[04:46] <xsacha> they just rename it to final
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> eh?
[04:46] <ravaria> can anyone tell something bout a good 2p2 for kubuntu?
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> and in this case why not any update for it?
[04:46] <compudaze> u mean p2p?
[04:46] <xsacha> that link gives download to it
[04:46] <MetaMorfoziS> ravaria, nicotine is a soulseek
[04:47] <xsacha> you can not upgrade 1.5 to 2.0 yet
[04:47] <MetaMorfoziS> client
[04:47] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[04:47] <MetaMorfoziS> i have rc3
[04:47] <ravaria> & run with kubuntu?
[04:47] <xsacha> they are going to make a new 1.5 patch that will allow such a massive change i believe
[04:47] <MetaMorfoziS> for 2-3days
[04:47] <macoxp> there should be an automatix tar installing program lol
[04:47] <xsacha> well rc3 is identical to the final release MetaMorfoziS
[04:47] <macoxp> automatic
[04:47] <Chousuke> macoxp: that's called APT :P
[04:47] <ravaria> metamorfozis, run on kubuntu?? what about museek or pyseek?
[04:48] <MetaMorfoziS> eh, so it upgraded himself automatically?
[04:48] <macoxp> Chousuke: apt should let you select tar files and install them for you lol
[04:48] <MetaMorfoziS> ravaria, dunno, but nicotine is a gtk app for soulseek
[04:48] <xsacha> grr MetaMorfoziS what are you talking about?
[04:48] <MetaMorfoziS> hm okay, one question, what is the old rc3's useragent?
[04:48] <xsacha> the code in rc3 is identical to the final release of version 2.0 -- only the name changed
[04:48] <MetaMorfoziS> Friefox2.0rc3?
[04:49] <xsacha> the build dates are identical
[04:49] <MetaMorfoziS> only? no any update?
[04:49] <Chousuke> macoxp: it can't do that
[04:49] <ravaria> what means gtk?
[04:49] <xsacha> no update whatsoever, only rename
[04:49] <Chousuke> macoxp: the tar files contain no information about what is supposed to be installed and where :/
[04:49] <Chousuke> macoxp: so you have no control
[04:49] <Jucato> ravaria: GTK = the GIMP Tool Kit, the toolkit used by GNOME
[04:49] <MetaMorfoziS> ravaria, gtk is a widget library (buttons, checkboxes menus etc) kde uses qt, and gnome uses gtk. gtk is nasty and old, and not crossplatform
[04:49] <MetaMorfoziS> kde uses qt anyways
[04:50] <MetaMorfoziS> but both can run both apps
[04:50] <MetaMorfoziS> so you can run gnome app on ke and kde app on gnome....
[04:50] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: not true. GTK is crossplatform
[04:50] <Chousuke> MetaMorfoziS: hm. GTK is cross-platform
[04:50] <MetaMorfoziS> no, it's not exists for macosx
[04:50] <MetaMorfoziS> iirc
[04:50] <Chousuke> yes it does
[04:50] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, so its crossplatform
[04:50] <Chousuke> but it's still alpha
[04:50] <Chousuke> :P
[04:50] <xsacha> lol
[04:51] <MetaMorfoziS> but old and nasty:)
[04:51] <Chousuke> I'm not too sure about that either :/
[04:51] <compudaze> so any ideas why i can't change refresh rates?
[04:51] <Chousuke> Cross-platform doesn't mean that software exists for Windows, Linux and OS X though.
[04:51] <MetaMorfoziS> yes..
[04:52] <MetaMorfoziS> so qt exists more devices/platforms than gtk
[04:52] <MetaMorfoziS> for example pdas and mobilephones...
[04:52] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[04:52] <Chousuke> yeah, it does.
[04:52] <Jucato> but so does GTK
[04:53] <tx> hi all
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> compudaze: because your vertical and horizontal refresh rantes in xorg.conf are not correct
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> n-
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> rates^
[04:53] <Chousuke> QT3 on windows just happens to be non-free. :)
[04:53] <compudaze> according to the manufacturer they are
[04:53] <ravaria> so... nicotine or dunno??
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, qt have sucks licenses
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> dupble licenses or wtf...
[04:53] <Jucato> but Qt4 is :)
[04:53] <Chousuke> QT4 will fix that though.
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> double'
[04:53] <tx> is there netpbm-progs for kubuntu ? i am trying to use gocr with jpeg and these tools are needed, but apt-cache doesn't find them
[04:53] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: Firefox also has double licensing
[04:53] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm a typo writer expert;)
[04:54] <MetaMorfoziS> yes???
[04:54] <MetaMorfoziS> what type, for commercial is not free?
[04:54] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ qt haev something like that
[04:54] <MetaMorfoziS> no?
[04:54] <Jucato> yeah but not all double licensing are like that
[04:54] <Jucato> anyway, Qt4 is now free on Windows, too
[04:54] <compudaze> HorizSync 30-97 and VertRefresh 50-180 - specs from viewsonics website
[04:54] <Jucato> as long as you use the GPL license
[04:55] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ compudaze fire up a konsole:
[04:55] <compudaze> it's up
[04:55] <compudaze> with the config open
[04:55] <MetaMorfoziS> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_old061024
[04:55] <xsacha> cant wait for all the changed in qt4/kde4 next year
[04:55] <compudaze> but i can give u whatever u need
[04:55] <tx> how can i install giftopnm in kubuntu ? in what package ?
[04:55] <MetaMorfoziS> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:55] <pielgrzym> what's the difference between grep and fgrep?
[04:55] <MetaMorfoziS> find this lines:
[04:55] <compudaze> k
[04:55] <Chousuke> hm
[04:55] <Chousuke> no
[04:55] <Chousuke> just do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:56] <compudaze> i already reconfigured that way Chousuke
[04:56] <Chousuke> manual editing of the config can be avoided. :)
[04:56] <Chousuke> and did you set the refresh rates manually there?
[04:56] <compudaze> yes
[04:56] <MetaMorfoziS> moment
[04:56] <MetaMorfoziS> lol i have not setted the refreshrate
[04:57] <Chousuke> x.org should autodetect this stuff anyway :/
[04:57] <compudaze> advanced monitor config, it asks for the hsync and vrefresh - i entered the correct numbers for my monitor
[04:57] <compudaze> even remove the monitor line completely did nothing
[04:57] <tx> please help, what package i need to install to have giftopnm ?
[04:57] <compudaze> to let it 'auto-detect'
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> oheyeah thais is what oyu need
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> Section "Monitor"
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> Identifier "Generic Monitor"
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> Option "DPMS"
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> HorizSync 28-64
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> VertRefresh 43-60
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> EndSection
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> sory
[04:58] <compudaze> basicly what i have
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> i selected too much
[04:58] <compudaze> cept with the correct numbers
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> so you need to write something like this tothe monitor section
[04:59] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: yes a bit too much :)
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> so compudaze if you set that well your xorg isn't wake up once again:DD
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> but in anyways if you corret it is on the good frequenxy
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm a bit fluster
[05:01] <compudaze> same settings work in fedora, windows of course works
[05:01] <macoxp> i'm haxoring windows media player 11
[05:01] <compudaze> i'll try a different driver
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> why the ****?
[05:02] <MetaMorfoziS> i like if anybody moves to linux and oneminute from that want to install crap win progs'
[05:02] <MetaMorfoziS> why not good for you the mplayer, and the mplayerr-plugin in firefox?:D
[05:02] <Jucato> does anyone know where the docs for Quanta's Documentation tab are located? what package installs it?
[05:03] <macoxp> MetaMorfoziS: i like the albuim art orginizer
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> mplayer ablle to play mms:// etc...
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> i dunno what is that.
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> but i don'T think you can't do something like that in other linux app
[05:03] <macoxp> MetaMorfoziS: hold on i'll get you a screen
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> forex in crap amarok or kaffeine...
[05:03] <franjesus> compudaze: try to remove the HorizSync VertRefresh lines
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> sorry, i don1T want flame, so not crap
[05:03] <macoxp> http://www.hyperosforum.co.uk/images/LAURENT/VISTA/Vista08b%20-%20Windows%20Media%20Player%2011.jpg
[05:04] <belsebub> the gnome setting "Assistive Technology Support".. what would that be in kubuntu?
[05:04] <MetaMorfoziS> thisis a simple thumbnailer for images
[05:04] <MetaMorfoziS> umph?
[05:04] <xsacha> amarok does that... :P
[05:04] <MetaMorfoziS> and konqueror...
[05:04] <MetaMorfoziS> and anything
[05:05] <MetaMorfoziS> if you copy media files to your desktop that looks like this...
[05:05] <MetaMorfoziS> without this crap feel;)))
[05:06] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the big difference between firefox2c3 and ff2? (i want to check what version that i have)
[05:06] <macoxp> if armorok had orginizing by art rather then text i would switch
[05:06] <xsacha> organise by art? what you mean?
[05:07] <MetaMorfoziS> artist...
[05:07] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[05:07] <macoxp> no alubim art
[05:07] <macoxp> look at screen
[05:07] <xsacha> how can you sort by pictures?
[05:07] <macoxp> yes!
[05:07] <xsacha> in the pic they are sorted alphabetically
[05:07] <MetaMorfoziS> xsacha: not
[05:08] <MetaMorfoziS> check ht first line
[05:08] <xsacha> MetaMorfoziS: for the last time ff2rc3 IS ff2 final
[05:08] <xsacha> weird
[05:08] <xsacha> lol
[05:08] <MetaMorfoziS> brambrambram
[05:08] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm not 100%i have the latest ff:/
[05:08] <xsacha> rc3 is identical to latest.. just the name was changed
[05:09] <BluesKaj> click on about FF
[05:09] <Jucato> unless there were some last minute fixes they added
[05:09] <MetaMorfoziS> in the update log onlly have 10.22 the last update
[05:09] <xsacha> naah the build date is the same jucato
[05:09] <Jucato> ah
[05:09] <MetaMorfoziS> that is the rc3
[05:10] <pielgrzym> hey folks :) is there a way to invoke a popup, simmilar to the one kopere has - I want to invoke it from shell (I don't like knotify default window with 'ok' button - I want a popup ;)
[05:10] <xsacha> you can d/l newest because "rc3" doesnt look nice, but i'm just telling you -- you're just downloading the name :P
[05:11] <macoxp> xsacha: hey i was following this tut to get my keyboard working withthe vol play pause ect and it was working but now when i reboot it stoped and i get a text box saying somthing about it
[05:11] <xsacha> pielgrzym: i don't get what you want, but try: katapult
[05:11] <xsacha> it's a splash screen without an ok button, does that count? :P
[05:12] <xsacha> hmm i'll need to take that tutorial too macoxp :P
[05:12] <xsacha> you dont just specify larger keyboard?
[05:12] <pielgrzym> xsacha: you know how 'dcop knotify' works? It opens a window with text and a button :) I would like to pop-up a balloon like the one that pops out in tray when you recieve kopete message :)
[05:12] <macoxp> xsacha:  the tut had me work on a xmodmap.conf file
[05:13] <xsacha> ahhh yes, i've used that
[05:13] <pielgrzym> xsacha: a balloon that would notify me that my mp3 logicalvolume is running low on space :)
[05:13] <macoxp> xsacha: but now when the os starts it loads a text doc not the keys like it should
[05:14] <xsacha> the keys dont work?
[05:14] <xsacha> pielgrzym: qt instead of knotify?
[05:15] <pielgrzym> xsacha: hmm, I'll try :D perhaps you have some links to proper docs? ;)
[05:15] <macoxp> xsacha: does konqurer have a online history so i can go back and find the tut to show you?
[05:15] <Jucato> macoxp: it's in the Navigation Panel (F9)
[05:16] <Jucato> the history I mean
[05:16] <xsacha> under bookmarks
[05:16] <macoxp> bookmarks?
[05:16] <Jucato> ??
[05:16] <xsacha> on the immediate left after pressing F9
[05:16] <xsacha> it's underneath the star (bookmarks)
[05:17] <macoxp> f9 moves my windows all around
[05:17] <Jucato> aah ok
[05:17] <Jucato> macoxp: F9 in Konqueror
[05:17] <Jucato> it's like a sidebar. the icon for History is like a clock
[05:17] <xsacha> you're using beryl
[05:17] <macoxp> still does hold on let me edit beryls keys
[05:17] <xsacha> ?
[05:17] <Jucato> oh...
[05:17] <xsacha> that's Scale in beryl settings
[05:17] <Jucato> lol no wonder...
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm i wonder...
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> the new firefox is f*** fast...
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> the startup time...
[05:18] <macoxp> ok found it hold on while i look
[05:19] <macoxp> http://www.tannerstokes.com/2006/08/02/getting-those-multimedia-keys-to-work-in-kubuntu/
[05:20] <xsacha> hey my multimedia keys already work lol
[05:20] <xsacha> i just tried them
[05:21] <macoxp> xsacha: i hate you lol
[05:21] <xsacha> amarok stopped playing ehrn i clicked stop
[05:21] <xsacha> and then i clicked start
[05:21] <xsacha> email button brought up Kmail Composer
[05:22] <macoxp> xsacha: why does yours get to "just work"
[05:22] <xsacha> did you choose 104 key keyboard?
[05:22] <macoxp> xsacha: i dont know
[05:22] <xsacha> in xorg.conf
[05:22] <macoxp> xsacha: i did the tut
[05:22] <macoxp> and it worked till i shut down
[05:24] <xsacha> o well, mine's fine
[05:25] <xsacha> i never use those keys though, they are at top of keyboard.. so far away
[05:25] <andres_> hola
[05:26] <macoxp> xsacha: can you help me fix this it's annoying haveing it pop up a text box everything i start the os
[05:27] <xsacha> what text box?
[05:29] <xsacha> i gotta sleep, gnite
[05:30] <macoxp> xsacha: later
[05:34] <maryen_> OMG
[05:34] <maryen_> im not wandering into gentoo anymore
[05:35] <maryen_> after trying to get it to install last night, i gave up when i couldn't find the stage tarball i needed.
[05:36] <maryen_> and i was playing with a premade virtualization last night, and had told it to emerge kde...
[05:36] <maryen_> its still not done 6 hours later ><
[05:38] <JosefK> maryen_, what are the specs of the box you're building it on?
[05:39] <BluesKaj> maryen, I haven't tried gentoo , but I hear it's a real difficult install for noobs
[05:41] <BluesKaj> not that you asre a noob by any means , maryen_...from the sound of it :)
[05:42] <brainwashed> gentoo tries to be user friendlier, but their installer is ... crappy
[05:42] <JosefK> gentoo has an installer now?
[05:42] <foodcoman> It's a beautiful day in the neighbor hood.  Edgy is almost here.
[05:42] <brainwashed> JosefK: yes, they even made it the default install method, but it doesn't seem to like my laptop ... just crashes
[05:43] <ravaria> hey.. ones i get the cafeine stuff... it get up-grade normally with the rest of my computer?
[05:44] <tobias> anyone know any cool games for ubuntu? like masters of orion or something?
[05:44] <tobias> or kubuntu even
[05:44] <JosefK> neverball's pretty good if you know the secret (use the keyboard, not the mouse)
[05:44] <CVirus> brainwashed: I guess if you want to use gentoo .. then you should be experienced enough to be able to install it from command line ... and please dont start a Flame war .. I'm a Gentoo user myself
[05:44] <tobias> josefk: thanx ill try that one
[05:45] <tobias> josefk: do i find it in adept?
[05:45] <JosefK> tobias, you should do, it's in universe/multiverse
[05:45] <ravaria> hey.. ones i get the cafeine stuff... it get up-grade normally with the rest of my computer?
[05:45] <tobias> :)
[05:45] <tobias> i love kubuntu
[05:45] <foodcoman> Wesnoth is kind fun Turn based.
[05:45] <brainwashed> CVirus: I was a Gentoo user too and went through the whole installation process, used it for some months. But _if_ they make the installer the default installation method, it would be nicer if it actually works, thats all I'm saying.
[05:46] <c13398> uahuahua
[05:46] <ravaria> can anyone tell me if nicotine get updates like the rest of kubuntu'
[05:46] <ravaria> ?
[05:46] <tobias> foodcoman: Ill try that one to, is it in adept?
[05:46] <foodcoman> tobias: Yeah
[05:46] <leandrinn> auhauha
[05:46] <tobias> weee
[05:47] <tobias> ravaria: it should i think
[05:47] <B-Minus> hello
[05:47] <Das> thank
[05:47] <tobias> ravaria: I think all the stuff you install in adept gets updates when available
[05:47] <Das_Ei> mmm....
[05:47] <foodcoman> tobias: Its in Universe/Games
[05:48] <tobias> foodcoman: is it a repository I must add?
[05:48] <Das_Ei> i don't know... i new in kubuntu stuff... i feel like a lamer
[05:48] <CVirus> brainwashed: got your point
[05:48] <Das_Ei> thanks any way
[05:49] <tobias> foodcoman: I found wesnoth so I have that repository :)
[05:49] <foodcoman> tobias: You just have to make sure its enabled in Adept Menu Adept/Manage Repositories.
[05:49] <foodcoman> Yeah
[05:51] <Das_Ei> the line was "su -c 'echo "deb http://www.nicotine-plus.org/ubuntu branch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'" should it be installed on the adept?
[05:51] <foodcoman> tobias: Search and you will find.  http://www.happypenguin.org/
[05:51] <tobias> foodcoman: thanx :)
[05:51] <tobias> Im a very happy penguin
[05:54] <maryen_> JosefK: its a dell e1505
[05:54] <Das_Ei> the line was "su -c 'echo "deb http://www.nicotine-plus.org/ubuntu branch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list'" should it be installed on the adept?
[05:55] <foodcoman> tobias: Lots of adventure games, some require installation like http://www.eternal-lands.com/
[05:55] <foodcoman> tobias: Pretty easy for some of the established multiplayer games
[05:55] <maryen_> BluesKaj: I'd say my experience with linux is moderate, but sadly I can't install gentoo until i find that one file (either that or do a text-based install again)
[05:57] <BluesKaj> well maryen_, I'm still a bit of a linuxnoob so i enjoy kubuntu due to it's stability and ease of use
[05:58] <v3ctor> i am not a linuxnoob so i enjoy kubuntu due to it's stability and ease of use
[05:58] <BluesKaj> altho I'm a bit miffed at cups not being able to see my windows network printer/USB hub connection
[05:59] <BluesKaj> :) v3ctor
[06:04] <phil_> kikou
[06:04] <phil_> hello
[06:04] <phil_> hox are you
[06:04] <phil_> how are you?
[06:08] <Alter-Ego> does anyone here use cacti ?
[06:14] <|WAL|> how long after Firefox 2.0 is released is it expected that there will be a Kubuntu package for?
[06:15] <jhutchins_wk> More than 15 minutes.
[06:16] <buz> can someone help me and tell me what suspend mode kernel 2.6.15 uses by default?
[06:16] <buz> for suspend to ram
[06:16] <|WAL|> jhutchins_wk: what is the typical turnover time for similar things?
[06:20] <trappist> |WAL|: generally new versions of apps won't appear in the repos until the next release of ubuntu, except for the backports repo
[06:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:27] <|WAL|> trappist: ok thanks
[06:34] <tony__> hello. my adapt package manager has been locked., and i can not install other packages.. how can i fix this problme
[06:35] <crrj> You may have it running more than once
[06:35] <jhutchins_wk> !w32codecs
[06:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:35] <tony__> i tired to install a package few days ago and system froze ( didn't isntall completly)
[06:35] <tony__> i did stoped KDM and restart but still get the same massage
[06:35] <Jucato> tony__: type in Konsole: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:38] <tony__> thanks.. that seems to solved the problme . :)
[06:38] <Jucato> ok
[06:38] <Jucato> :)
[06:41] <villejuho> im having problem with kmix, it doesnt start automatically, i have to start kmix every time i boot my computer.. Eny ideas how to start it automaticlly?
[06:45] <apokryphos> villejuho: put an executable shortcut in ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:46] <villejuho> put what in there?
[06:52] <hazard2> UGH!!! Why does kubuntu not remember the sleep timeout for the scrfeen?
[06:52] <hazard2> Every shutdown I have to reconfigure it.
[06:53] <andy> hallo
[06:53] <hazard2> hi
[06:54] <jonkelle> #mambo
[06:54] <apokryphos> villejuho: a shortcut to kmix, or a bash executable file that starts kmix
[06:54] <nitro[XL] > i just installed new kubuntu rc version .. but i dont have PLF repositories for this version .. can anyone help me ?
[06:54] <apokryphos> villejuho: basically, any executable in there will be run on kde startup
[06:54] <apokryphos> nitro[XL] : what would you want plf for?
[06:55] <nitro[XL] > for additional stuff .. i need mc, firestarter and so on
[06:55] <andy> sind girl hier anwesend? ;-)))
[06:55] <apokryphos> nitro[XL] : both of those are in the Ubuntu repositories
[06:56] <apokryphos> !info mc
[06:56] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2073 kB, installed size 5952 kB
[06:56] <apokryphos> !info firestarter
[06:56] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 381 kB, installed size 1900 kB
[06:56] <tony__> sorry , what was the command to configure adapt again ? :(
[06:56] <tony__> sudo k??? --configure -a
[06:56] <apokryphos> tony_: sud dpkg --configure -a ?
[06:56] <apokryphos> *sudo
[06:56] <nitro[XL] > so i dont have all repos in my default install
[06:56] <tony__> ahh. dpkg.. i should remembger ..
[06:57] <jhutchins_wk> How do you report problems on plf packages?
[06:57] <apokryphos> nitro[XL] : see the FAQ on how to add relevant repositories
[06:57] <tony__> damn.. i start to dislike linux :(
[06:57] <tony__> database is locked
[06:57] <andy> keine weiber schade ;--)))
[06:57] <nitro[XL] > where is this FAQ located ?
[06:58] <villejuho> ok, i get that but i want kmix panel aplett to start(sorry i write kmix in original message), so adding kmix to ~/.kde/Autostart opens the kmix window at start? or the applet?
[06:58] <tony__> is there anyway to see process that are running and stop them ?
[06:59] <apokryphos> tony_: 'top' or ps aux
[06:59] <apokryphos> tony_: or, in KDE, ctrl+esc
[06:59] <tony__> :|
[07:00] <jhutchins_wk> tony: running more than one package tool will do that.
[07:00] <tony__> ok, i don't have permission to kill the process
[07:01] <jhutchins_wk> tony__: Maybe you should try shutting it down from wherever it's running.
[07:01] <apokryphos> tony_: sudo killall programname
[07:01] <tony__> yes.. but i tried to install package and is not installing and freezes right there
[07:01] <tony__> its on my desktop..
[07:01] <tony__> :()
[07:01] <tony__> i guess i should reboot
[07:06] <tomaz> is there a kubuntu+1?
[07:06] <tomaz> i'm getting repaint problems using Kpdf
[07:06] <timo3> Dont think soo
[07:07] <jhutchins_wk> tomaz: Yeah, two days from now Edgy Eft is being released.
[07:07] <timo3> Some one with more info should be able to help you
[07:07] <timo3> there you go
[07:07] <tomaz> no, i mean, is there a kubuntu+1 channel
[07:07] <tomaz> i'm on edgy RC
[07:08] <tomaz> but when i open the KPDF and scrool down the page, the Kicker get messed out.
[07:09] <jhutchins_wk> You might find someone in #kubuntu-devel, but be nice.
[07:10] <tomaz> i'm nice =P
[07:10] <Ace2016> can someone help me to replace some html with different stuff with privoxy
[07:11] <Ace2016> i have privoxy started and running
[07:11] <jhutchins_wk> tomaz: Some of the -devel channels are developer only, not user support.
[07:11] <Ace2016> but how do i get it to rewrite some html?
[07:11] <jhutchins_wk> Ace2016: No clue, and that's hardly a kubuntu issue.
[07:11] <tomaz> i'm a developer too, but never tryed to do Qt stuff.
[07:14] <_Shade_> how do i install an ati card in edgy?
[07:14] <_Shade_> !ati
[07:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:17] <Ace2016> jhutchins: well there is only 2 other people in #privoxy who've been away for more than 14 hours so i thought someone here might know
[07:18] <DHGE> Ace2016: there is good documentation - look at the action files - I only had to fiddle once with some graphics ...
[07:18] <instructor> Man The FC6 Torrent is slow :(
[07:19] <Ace2016> instructor: Why did you choose FC6? its been ages since i've used fedora
[07:19] <instructor> Someone asked for it
[07:20] <Ace2016> oh ok
[07:22] <osiguai> hola?
[07:22] <instructor> Hello
[07:22] <osiguai> estoy en pruebas
[07:22] <instructor> !es
[07:22] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:22] <osiguai> gracias
[07:22] <instructor> Si
[07:22] <nico> Hello all
[07:22] <Ace2016> Hi
[07:22] <osiguai> muchas gracias
[07:23] <instructor> nico: sorry all stepped out maybe we can help?
[07:23] <nico> yes, thanks
[07:24] <nico> instructor: i've downloaded and installed Kubuntu 6.10 and after checking that everything was going fine, I decided to go for xgl/Beryl
[07:24] <nico> instructor: I used a howto in ubuntuforums, let me get the link for you
[07:25] <instructor> nico: Did you ask in #ubuntu-xgl ?
[07:25] <nico> instructor: not yet, I wanted to do so, but when I opened konversation, it dropped me here and you popped offering help =)
[07:26] <instructor> nico: Well that's helpful I suppose :)
[07:26] <macoxp> hey can anyone help me get my mp3 player working with amarok?
[07:26] <nico> instructor: I just asked in #ubuntu-xgl, but it seems that no one is there =/
[07:27] <fildo> away sleep / work / sleep / party /  party / cashless
[07:27] <nico> instructor: by the way, I used this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271533
[07:27] <Alter-Ego> macoxp: details ?
[07:28] <nico> instructor: and after installing xgl/beryl, everything was going well, but I realised I couldn't use my AltGr key
[07:28] <instructor> nico: oh no they are a lazy set :-) Just wait for an argument to start
[07:28] <macoxp> Alter-Ego: it's a nomad jukebox zen xtra with the MTP firmware
[07:28] <nico> instructor: hehe :-) it seems that no one is there...
[07:29] <macoxp> Alter-Ego: basically a paly for sure device
[07:30] <iorek_> hey everyone, does anybody know how to install Apache, MySQL and PHP onto Kubuntu - im a new Linux user
[07:30] <Alter-Ego> macxoxp http://ubuntuforums.org/tags/index.php/zen/
[07:31] <compudaze> from a terminal, sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server
[07:32] <iorek_> thanks, i'll give it a try jst now
[07:32] <Alter-Ego> iorek_: or use the pre made ubuntu server version - no gui
[07:32] <iorek_> thanks, two seconds phone
[07:33] <NightBird> Alter-Ego, my guess is that a new linux user will probably avoid the no-gui version :P
[07:33] <nico> Alter-Ego: hi, sorry to bother, any experience with xgl/beryl?
[07:33] <Alter-Ego> NightBird: yes, that is what i thought as well, but i found the server version if he packages you want to install later to be more freindly
[07:34] <Alter-Ego> but yes, for a desktop os, kubuntu desktop is the best :-)
[07:35] <ermak> I have changed time, and now I get the following message: "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 25 06:57:44 2006",
[07:35] <NightBird> heh
[07:36] <ermak> how can the problem be solved?
[07:36] <ermak> sudo -K gives the same message...
[07:36] <nico> ermak: i solved it deleting the contents in /var/run/sudo as root
[07:37] <ianmacgregor> I'm liking KDE :)
[07:37] <ermak> as root? there is no root in kubuntu...
[07:38] <NightBird> ianmacgregor, yeah.... I've tried a gnome desktop(actually, I tried that first..) and I just couldn't get used to it...
[07:38] <nico> ermak: i have a root account in kubuntu =)
[07:38] <ermak> how?)
[07:39] <nico> ermak: well, i ran "sudo passwd" as the first command ever, and then "su" to it
[07:39] <ianmacgregor> NightBird: I've been on gnome for years, but KDE seems quite nice
[07:39] <DaSkreech> ianmacgregor: Welcome :)
[07:39] <nico> DaSkreech: still willing to help me with beryl, sir? =)
[07:39] <ianmacgregor> One question. Is it possible to change the icon used for the kmenu on kicker? If so, how?
[07:39] <ianmacgregor> DaSkreech: Thank you :)
[07:40] <NightBird> ianmacgregor, I would guess the kde menu configurer would have that option... I don't remember what the programs name is though, so that won't be of much help :-\
[07:40] <ermak> nico: may reboot help? or live cd + removing /var/run/sudo?
[07:41] <ironfroggy> oh no!
[07:41] <NightBird> nico, you're permanently running as a super user?
[07:41] <ironfroggy> how do i update the BIOS when the update utility is an EXE?
[07:41] <ironfroggy> can wine handle that?
[07:41] <afm\colossus> no
[07:41] <nico> NightBird: no, not in a million years!!!!
[07:41] <NightBird> ironfroggy, doubtful...
[07:41] <ironfroggy> dang
[07:41] <afm\colossus> it cant
[07:41] <ironfroggy> do i have any options?
[07:41] <afm\colossus> WINE won't make real mode calls
[07:42] <afm\colossus> use a DOS-based bootdisk
[07:42] <ironfroggy> no sudo wine?
[07:42] <nico> ermak: well, wouldn't know for sure, but I think it could help
[07:42] <ironfroggy> i dont have a floppy drive
[07:42] <afm\colossus> ironfroggy: but an USB stick drive?
[07:42] <ironfroggy> afm\colossus: hmm.. maybe
[07:42] <ermak> :) i ll try to reboot first....
[07:42] <afm\colossus> you can also boot by CD
[07:44] <ironfroggy> afm\colossus: yeah but i cant make a DOS boot CD without a windows box
[07:46] <_Shade_> !ati
[07:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:47] <macoxp> i'm running dapper how do i upgrade to edgy?
[07:47] <ermak> reboot helped)
[07:47] <BluesKaj> !launchpad
[07:47] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[07:48] <afm\colossus> ironfroggy: of course you can
[07:48] <afm\colossus> check the freedos boot images
[07:48] <BluesKaj> wait til thurs macoxp, that's when the final official release for Edgy will happen
[07:48] <DaSkreech> !upgrade macoxp
[07:48] <DaSkreech> !upgrade > macoxp
[07:50] <nico> ermak: great!
[07:51] <ironfroggy> afm\colossus: wasnt sure if freedos support things that could update the bios firmware.
[07:51] <foodcoman> I get Butterflies thinking about the release.  Sad really.
[07:52] <DaSkreech> foodcoman: Fiesty!
[07:52] <foodcoman> I enjoy the nice evolution of the product.  And I love the 6 month release cycle.  Awesome.
[07:53] <toke> Hello! I have a little problem with my fresh Kubuntu installation :)
[07:53] <spike_> ciao
[07:54] <BluesKaj> what will be the best way to upgrade to edgy ?
[07:54] <toke> I don't have any sounds when playing an mp3,cd .. :)
[07:54] <hirs> dist-upgrade?
[07:54] <spike_> yes
[07:54] <ermak> toke:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:55] <Ace2016> Hi all
[07:56] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: I would guess a clean install
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Clean is always nice
[07:56] <toke> and.. How can I have root privileges on ubuntu (in KDE, not in console) .. I need to edit sources.list
[07:56] <toke> *kubuntu
[07:57] <DaSkreech> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:57] <fdoving> toke: write the command daskreech said in the 'kmenu -> run command' dialog.
[07:58] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech: what about an upgrade from the cd ?
[07:58] <jende_> Howdy... ;-)
[07:58] <ermak> toke: sudo
[07:59] <toke> *edit as root is also a usefull function :D
[07:59] <jende_> BluesKaj: howdy
[07:59] <jende_> cpk2: Howdy
[08:00] <jende_> DaSkreech: where do you want to upgrade to?
[08:00] <BluesKaj> hi jende_ , what's up ?
[08:00] <toke> have 2 go :)
[08:00] <toke> bye
[08:01] <jende_> BluesKaj: nothing much...I did finally the migration of a server for one of my clients, now he's got a lovely LinuxServer
[08:01] <BluesKaj> cool jende_
[08:02] <jende_> BluesKaj: and a Linux-Homemade-Firewall
[08:02] <BluesKaj> I was asking DaSkreech if an upgrade to Edgy from the cd would work ok ...don't want to have to reinstall all the progs
[08:02] <jende_> BluesKaj: just modify your sources
[08:03] <BluesKaj> ?
[08:03] <jende_> BluesKaj: wanna have a lil Howto?Its just 4 lines in the console
[08:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[08:03] <St_MPA3b> what's better - 3 primary + 1 extended, 3+1, or 2+2?
[08:03] <St_MPA3b> partitions
[08:03] <jende_> St_MPA3b: it depends
[08:03] <St_MPA3b> on what?
[08:04] <pablet> hello, I've recently updated to edgy rc1, I think that aiglx comes integrated with Xorg, now what I have to do to have compositing active and 3d desktop? (installing beryl or what in kubuntu)
[08:04] <jende_> !paste
[08:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:04] <Tm_T> !xgl > pablet
[08:05] <jende_> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28126/
[08:05] <jende_> St_MPA3b: basically you should have root, swap, home, tmp
[08:06] <St_MPA3b> imho, /var too
[08:06] <v3ctor> hmm @ tmp
[08:06] <jende_> St_MPA3b: each as a partition on its own and if possible var as well and the only primary would be for me root
[08:06] <xdemon> hi all
[08:06] <fdoving> st_mpa3b: i recommend one big / if you don't plan to re-install frequently.
[08:06] <xdemon> i need help
[08:06] <St_MPA3b> and what is better for swap?
[08:06] <jende_> BluesKaj: is that easy?
[08:07] <xdemon> i install edgy
[08:07] <fdoving> St_MPA3b: and swap of course.
[08:07] <cybercoffee> \o/
[08:07] <cybercoffee> :)
[08:07] <St_MPA3b> i jsut dont want fast fragmentation :)
[08:07] <xdemon> with root account
[08:07] <St_MPA3b> just*
[08:07] <xdemon> but i need sudo support
[08:07] <xdemon> how i can make it?
[08:07] <jende_> St_MPA3b: mine is an extended I'm doing fine
[08:07] <St_MPA3b> ty
[08:07] <fdoving> xdemon: 'apt-get install sudo'
[08:07] <xdemon> its installed
[08:07] <jende_> fdoving: howdy
[08:07] <fdoving> xdemon: then you have sudo support.
[08:08] <fdoving> hi jende_.
[08:08] <jende_> fdoving: how are you?
[08:08] <B-Minus> hello
[08:08] <fdoving> xdemon: by default, users must be in the 'admin' group to be able to use sudo.
[08:08] <B-Minus> am i doing something wrong ? tommy@tommy-laptop:~/.irssi/scripts$ ln -s adv_windowlist.pl autorun/
[08:08] <fdoving> jende_: fine thanks, and you?
[08:08] <B-Minus> that should work doesnt it ?
[08:08] <x-demon> i install with root account
[08:09] <jende_> fdoving: I'm damn happy, as I've just finished the migration of a SBS200 to Debian Sarge Server
[08:09] <jende_> fdoving: I'm damn happy, as I've just finished the migration of a SBS2000 to Debian Sarge Server
[08:09] <fdoving> B-Minus: that should work.
[08:09] <fdoving> B-Minus: i recommend the scriptassist.pl script though. very handy.
[08:10] <fdoving> jende_: nice. :)
[08:10] <jende_> fdoving: and installed a nice IPCop with URL filter
[08:10] <jende_> fdoving: IPCop is so cool
[08:10] <x-demon> !beryl_problems
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_problems - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:11] <x-demon> !beryl
[08:11] <jende_> !beryl
[08:11] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:11] <x-demon> haha i cant run it
[08:11] <jende_> x-demon: can't run what?
[08:11] <x-demon> beryl
[08:11] <x-demon> i see black screen
[08:11] <jende_> x-demon: its still in pre-alpha
[08:11] <x-demon> with windows
[08:12] <aapzak> I'm running it now, but it has issues
[08:12] <x-demon> but... many peoples use it
[08:12] <x-demon> i cant
[08:12] <aapzak> why?
[08:12] <x-demon> bugz
[08:12] <aapzak> sure
[08:12] <iorek_>     hey, back now - i tried typing sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server but it just comes back saying packageapache2 could not be found, any ideas T_T
[08:12] <jende_> x-demon: what have you expected? as long as its in pre-alpha its not stable at all; it's pretty much experimental, though
[08:12] <x-demon> i cant use it... after installing i see black screen
[08:12] <aapzak> Its the bugs which prevent you from using it?
[08:13] <x-demon> i cant run it
[08:13] <aapzak> every graphics card has its own issues
[08:13] <jende_> iorek_: your sources might now have the correct repos enabled
[08:13] <aapzak> which card do you use x-demon?
[08:13] <iorek_> ?
[08:13] <jende_> iorek_: your sources might not have the correct repos enabled
[08:13] <x-demon> Nvidia GeForce 6600 GX
[08:14] <aapzak> I had a running config on Gentoo + nvidia
[08:14] <iorek_> jende: sorry mat that means next to nothing to me, how would I go about rectifying that?
[08:14] <aapzak> got to have the right drivers
[08:14] <fdoving> !repos > iorek_
[08:14] <jende_> !apache2
[08:14] <ubotu> apache2: next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.55-4ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 80 kB
[08:15] <jende_> iorek_: pastebin yur sources
[08:15] <jende_> !paste
[08:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:15] <jende_> !paste
[08:16] <hirs> Someone is running Beryl with two monitors with twinview?
[08:16] <aapzak> nope
[08:16] <hirs> I get black windows when maximizing
[08:16] <jende_> !beryl
[08:16] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:17] <hirs> oh, ok
[08:17] <BluesKaj> jende_: do i run those commands after I've upgraded from the cd ?
[08:17] <aapzak> actually, with new nvidia drivers you don't need xgl
[08:18] <jende_> BluesKaj: no, as you don't have to need a CD with these commands, it all works staright out of you're dapper system
[08:18] <pablet> does anybody know how to get samba server to work "properly" on kde 3.5 on kubuntu?? I configure it and share a folder with all permissions to every user, but when I try to acces from a remote PC, a prompt asks me for user and password...
[08:19] <chx> I have two Internet providers. I am looking at http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html . Is there a script which automates this process? One of my providers , alas, gives me a dynamic IP
[08:19] <cycykewl> Bonjour
[08:19] <fdoving> pablet: you'll need to add a samba-user. 'smbpasswd -a username' - the username must exist on the system, as a system account, before adding with smbpasswd.
[08:20] <pablet> can I configure a "guest" account that lets people enter this folders without prompting?
[08:21] <fdoving> yes.
[08:21] <iorek_> is it commong that elements of webpages made in linux look different when viewed through windows?
[08:21] <pablet> mmmhhhhh eeeehhhhhh :D
[08:21] <pablet> could you telle me how please?
[08:21] <iorek_> some pages I built in Ubuntu looked way different in XP
[08:21] <cycykewl> Can I migrate my ubuntu server from breeezy to dapper without installed ubuntu-desktop packet ?
[08:22] <iorek_> the imges for one didn't load at all, and were unrecognised to by Fireworks
[08:22] <iorek_> some <td> values were different but just the ones holding images, which i think was the reason
[08:23] <pablet> only tell me if the command smbpasswd has an option to select a user as a guest user
[08:23] <iorek_> i created the images in GIMP and exported as .gif but weren't recognised by Windows - cross-platform problem?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: You can put in the Cd and it should prompt to upgrade
[08:25] <fdoving> pablet: add a user, and set 'guest account = username'
[08:25] <pablet> well, thanks for your help!!!
[08:26] <BluesKaj> ok DaSkreech , thx
[08:26] <pablet> Im going to configure it, thanks!
[08:26] <pablet> bye!!!!
[08:26] <fdoving> bye.
[08:27] <Martijn81> !flac
[08:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:27] <Martijn81> oops
[08:44] <jende_> fdoving: everybody is leaving, ey
[08:45] <fdoving> jende_: still 340 to go. :)
[08:45] <jende_> ah well...
[08:46] <jende_> fdoving: BluesKaj just upgraded...lets see how he goes
[08:48] <jende_> fdoving: sometimes you can tell people whatever you like, and they're not really following the steps given.Kinda weird, don't you think?
[08:49] <sredna> Is there a way to get a recent gs on ubuntu?
[08:49] <jende_> sredna: gs?
[08:49] <sredna> jende_: Gs.
[08:50] <sredna> Ghostscript, that means
[08:51] <sredna> Maybe there is some apt resource that has up to date packages somewhere
[08:51] <jende_> sredna: I have an 8.50-1.1
[08:52] <sredna> jende_: Really? I have 8.15 appearently, and I upgraded everything the other day
[08:52] <jende_> sredna: you're on dapper, I guess
[08:53] <sredna> jende_: How do I convince the system to try to be recent?
[08:53] <sredna> I just want stable, but up to date packages
[08:53] <jende_> sredna: if you're on dapper, well than it is recent what you've got, as edgy isn't yet in stable
[08:54] <sredna> jende_: Gs 8.15 is ooooooold.
[08:54] <jende_> !gs
[08:54] <ubotu> gs: Transitional package. In component main, is optional. Version 8.15-4ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 14 kB, installed size 44 kB
[08:54] <sredna> There is a newer stable ghostscript
[08:54] <sredna> This is a key problem with any debian derived distro I guess
[08:55] <jende_> sredna: in which distro?
[08:55] <sredna> From the gs vendors. The current stable gs package is 8.54
[08:57] <jende_> sredna: haha...in the opinion of GS it might be stable for them, but you have to make deb packages, you have to see whether how the package behaves in Ubuntu, in Kubuntu and all these sort of things. That takes a while
[08:58] <jende_> brb
[08:58] <notech> then how can they bring out other packages almost immediately, like firefox? not seeing how it behaves before releasing it?
[08:58] <sredna> jende_: The problem with debian derivedness is that you are stuck wtih old packages quite often. Or you need to go resource hunting
[08:58] <sredna> Which will give you potentially working packages with a bit of luck
[08:58] <jende_> brb...got to say good night to my son
[08:59] <sredna> :)
[08:59] <londondave> hi all, as anyone got the ueagle-atm usb modem driver working in edgy with kernel 2.6.17-10?
[09:03] <jende_> notech: don't know really what you meant re firefox?
[09:06] <jende_> notech: look packages, as like as GS or FF, do have there own maintainers, so one say its ready to be distributed, the other may say its not a go, And then it depends on dependencies and stuff, AFAIK. Than again you have backports which will give yyou packages, which aren't really in stable as yet
[09:08] <notech> jende_: yeah, was just trying to get an idea by comparing GS and FF with what you said about making deb packages, see how it behaves, takes a while
[09:09] <jende_> notech: yeah, and most maintainers are doing that stuff or US in their sparetime
[09:09] <BluesKaj> still in dapper , jende_
[09:09] <jende_> BluesKaj: brb
[09:10] <BluesKaj> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[09:11] <vge> http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=esim9sv6.jpg <-- how do i change the font's i had back in Firefox, now it's so somehow too tiny and small
[09:11] <vge> only FF is affected by it
[09:11] <notech> jende_: ok, thanks. I just found FF a bit flaky and thought perhaps that was why :)
[09:13] <londondave> hi all, as anyone got the ueagle-atm usb modem driver working in edgy with kernel 2.6.17-10?
[09:14] <|WAL|> I'm trying to get libglib2.0-dev but I get an error
[09:15] <slicslak> ubuntu, then installed kubuntu-desktop.  how do i get gdm back?
[09:17] <t0taln00b> hi all
[09:18] <jende_> t0taln00b: howdy
[09:18] <t0taln00b> good, howdy?
[09:18] <t0taln00b> :)
[09:19] <jende_> t0taln00b: not to bad either...basically to be honest I'm good as well
[09:20] <t0taln00b> nice to see u here btw :)
[09:21] <t0taln00b> damn my kubuntu is going pretty well im impressed. like it alot :)
[09:21] <SHRIKEE> :)
[09:21] <t0taln00b> %)
[09:21] <BluesKaj> cool, t0taln00b
[09:22] <t0taln00b> yeah it's the sweetest thing i ever tried :)
[09:23] <jende_> t0taln00b: Kubuntu is quite a sweety, though
[09:23] <t0taln00b> yeah indeed :)
[09:23] <jende_> shouldn't tell that my girl...heheh
[09:23] <SHRIKEE> is there a sftp client for kde available?
[09:23] <t0taln00b> lol
[09:23] <t0taln00b> ;)
[09:24] <SHRIKEE> something like winscp, but then for linux
[09:24] <t0taln00b> btw does anybody managed to get xgl working on edgy so far? :)
[09:26] <jende_> !sftp
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <BluesKaj> never had any luck with xgl...always made some dumb mistake trying to install it properly
[09:27] <t0taln00b> hmm...
[09:27] <jende_> SHRIKEE: I guess, I saw one on sourceforge, but I'm not quite sure
[09:27] <t0taln00b> well at least with dapper it works sm000thly :)
[09:27] <SHRIKEE> hmm k
[09:31] <foodcoman> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/
[09:31] <t0taln00b> i think perhaps i'll replace it after some time by nvidia's own implementation in it's latest drivers :)
[09:31] <foodcoman> Was looking at RC 3 and jumped up a directory.
[09:31] <JosefK> anyone know any decent manga viewers for Kubuntu?
[09:31] <JosefK> or comics in general, for that matter
[09:32] <jende_> JosefK: nope, but the server works...
[09:32] <JosefK> hehe :P
[09:32] <jende_> damn he's - as expected - heaps faster than that bloody SBS
[09:33] <jende_> JosefK: ix simply rules
[09:33] <SHRIKEE> found one :D
[09:33] <SHRIKEE> kbear
[09:34] <jende_> JosefK: on top of it I installed on an old P3 an dedicated IPCop with a lovely URL Filter
[09:34] <JosefK> jende_: pfft, nice one
[09:34] <jende_> SHRIKEE: yeah...*grrrrr*...I forgot KBear
[09:34] <SHRIKEE> haha
[09:35] <SHRIKEE> is it good?
[09:35] <BluesKaj> EDGY! it is !
[09:35] <jende_> JosefK: the other company wnated to sell that client a new server for like 3,000Euros not having a Firewall
[09:35] <jende_> BluesKaj: happy?
[09:35] <BluesKaj> cool jende_  :)
[09:36] <jende_> BluesKaj: good to know that I coould help
[09:36] <JosefK> jende_: jesus :/ I ended up porting my database to Postgre today, it was short-sighted of me to choose MySQL in the first place :/
[09:36] <BluesKaj> thx very much , jende_
[09:36] <jende_> JosefK: Postgre is a damn cool, like beauty, don't you think
[09:36] <BluesKaj> now just have to reconfig this Konverstaion window
[09:37] <jende_> BluesKaj: you're always welcome, no worries
[09:37] <JosefK> jende_: indeed, and I quite like having a database who's integrity I can verify too
[09:38] <jende_> JosefK: I heard just recently that Pervasive wants to set up the Rel10 on Postgre, yet I guess, it's a rumour...but that would be just nic
[09:38] <jende_> JosefK: I heard just recently that Pervasive wants to set up the Rel10 on Postgre, yet I guess, it's a rumour...but that would be just nice
[09:39] <jende_> JosefK: all our tools like netstat -tulpen; nothing really compareable is yet in the SBS2003
[09:39] <JosefK> jende_: hehe
[09:39] <fdoving> jende_: can you please consider just re-typing the misspelled word. two long lines like that is a bit 'noisy' (maybe it's just me.. )
[09:40] <jende_> fdoving: I will!sorry
[09:40] <jende_> fdoving: will you forgive me?
[09:40] <slow-motion> n8
[09:41] <fdoving> jende_: no problem :)
[09:41] <jende_> fdoving: thanks, I appreciate that
[09:42] <ubuntu_> is there a way to install the current kubuntu stable without booting into the live environment?
[09:42] <SHRIKEE> kbear stinks!
[09:43] <foodcoman> ubuntu Alternative CD.
[09:43] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: You mean Kubuntu Dapper ?
[09:43] <SHRIKEE> whats wrong with the live bootup?
[09:43] <ubuntu_> foodcoman: i tried that one, but when i went to boot it, KDE wasn't there
[09:43] <SHRIKEE> eh duh?
[09:43] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: Kubuntu Alternata CD is the full Kubuntu installer
[09:43] <cpk2> does anyone know how I would play a movie I have converted to be burned to a dvd?
[09:43] <ubuntu_> shrikee: on the live bootup it takes longer, and sometimes it freezes
[09:44] <SHRIKEE> oj
[09:44] <SHRIKEE> ...
[09:44] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Converted to ISO format ?
[09:44] <cpk2> you know the kind that sits in a video_ts folder
[09:44] <Hawkwind> cpk2: kaffeine will play it
[09:44] <foodcoman> cpk2: VLC will play it.
[09:44] <Hawkwind> cpk2: In fact, most every play will play it
[09:45] <cpk2> Hawkwind: its not an iso and kaffeine will open the VIDEO_TS.vob but i cant click the menu buttons
[09:46] <cpk2> and I would like to make sure the menu and everything works before I burn to a dvd
[09:47] <foodcoman> cpk2: With VLC, maybe Kaffine too, but I open the Directory Video_TS and wham.  It works.
[09:50] <axel-axes> ok
[09:51] <SHRIKEE> jense, konqueror also supports sftp
[09:51] <SHRIKEE> without a separate client
[09:52] <macoxp> hey how to i change the clock so it's not military time
[09:52] <SHRIKEE> right click the clock
[09:52] <cpk2> I am generating an iso to test it I guess
[09:52] <SHRIKEE> and choose configure
[09:52] <cpk2> since kaffeine doesnt seem to want to play the VIDEO_TS directory
[09:52] <SHRIKEE> military time does not exist btw ;) its just 24 hour clock
[09:53] <macoxp> i dont see the option anywhere
[09:53] <macoxp> only font size and stuff
[09:53] <SHRIKEE> ahh youre right
[09:53] <SHRIKEE> hold on a sec
[09:53] <zorglu_> ah ? i got a 7 item menu here
[09:54] <cpk2> right clicking my clock gives me 6 items and last one is configure?
[09:54] <zorglu_> one being 'configure clock'
[09:54] <zorglu_> cpk2: same here
[09:54] <zorglu_> macoxp: 'configure clock' gives your the option you want
[09:54] <macoxp> i did that where?
[09:55] <SHRIKEE> right click the clock > date & time format
[09:55] <SHRIKEE> and set your locale to your area
[09:55] <SHRIKEE> that does the trick for me
[09:55] <SHRIKEE> when i select for example north america > canada its 12 hour clock
[09:56] <SHRIKEE> when i select my own are its 24 hour clock again
[09:56] <SHRIKEE> *area
[09:56] <macoxp> ok that worked :D
[09:56] <SHRIKEE> good
[09:57] <cpk2> date and time format i think also changes it
[09:58] <SHRIKEE> jende, konqueror also has sftp support, which works faster than kbear
[09:58] <cpk2> err how do you mount an iso again?
[09:58] <SHRIKEE> dunno
[09:59] <zorglu_> mountiso
[09:59] <zorglu_> !mountiso
[09:59] <SHRIKEE> but i do know i need a drink
[09:59] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>"  -  bin/cue can be converted to ISO using !bchunk  -  ISO images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com  -  Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning
[09:59] <SHRIKEE> brb
[10:08] <hirs> hi
[10:09] <cpk2> getting damn vlc now
[10:09] <cpk2> seems like kaffeine might have failed me
[10:10] <hirs> is there a way to run a script when un/pluging the power cable of a laptop?
[10:10] <cpk2> knew it right when i said it
[10:10] <cpk2> that i made a mistake
[10:10] <cpk2> wrong channel
[10:11] <zorglu_> hirs: playing with hal you can do it, it send dbus broadcast in those case i think
[10:11] <hirs> since power-guidance will not turn down the brightness I have to do it with a script, but I don't now if such thing is possible
[10:12] <hirs> zorglu_: ok, I'm going to have a look at hal
[10:14] <jende_> cpk2: howdy
[10:14] <cpk2> jende_: afternoon
[10:14] <jende_> cpk2: good evening, mate
[10:15] <BluesKaj> Finally ! ...disconnected my router by mistake
[10:15] <jende_> BluesKaj: hehe
[10:15] <foodcoman> hirs: Klaptop wont work well enough?
[10:16] <hirs> foodcoman: do you mean the control panel section for laptops?
[10:16] <jende_> !Klaptop
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Klaptop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <hirs> foodcoman: the only way to change brightness on my laptop is with smartdimmer
[10:17] <petter_> hey guys
[10:17] <hirs> foodcoman: I'm looking for a way to automate smartdimmer
[10:17] <[Al] > Guys/girls, how do I make konversation flash the taskbar and not the piddly icon in the corner?
[10:18] <[Al] > on highlight
[10:19] <jende_> See ya all folks I'm heading towards the bedroom
[10:20] <foodcoman> hirs: gotcha, didnt know if the power profiles in Klaptop included that.
[10:20] <BluesKaj> jende_:  http://pastebin.ca/219655
[10:20] <aztun> I cant see the menu toolbar in konqueror with edgy
[10:20] <aztun> :/
[10:21] <hirs> aztun: ctrl+m ?
[10:21] <cpk2> yup kaffiene failed me, it cant play a dvd directory but vlc can
[10:21] <cpk2> =(
[10:22] <hirs> foodcoman: I think I can't launch external programs to control brightness from klaptop
[10:22] <foodcoman> cpk2: Did you check all the restricted Format articles in the Kubuntu wiki?  they have a DVD section?
[10:23] <foodcoman> hirs: Gotcha.
[10:23] <cpk2> foodcoman: its not an actual dvd and I am pretty sure I did everything to play all restricted formats
[10:23] <aztun> lol
[10:23] <aztun> thanks hirs
[10:24] <hirs> aztun: :)
[10:26] <[Al] > Guys/girls, how do I make konversation flash the taskbar and not the piddly icon in the corner on highlight?
[10:27] <zzz> It may not be possible... Why don't you go through its configuration?
[10:27] <[Al] > I have
[10:27] <[Al] > I couldn't believe it wasn't possible because that's idiotic
[10:27] <[Al] > So i figured I missed something
[10:27] <zzz> Well, you might file a bug report with severity: wish
[10:28] <[Al] > I did not know I could file wishes!
[10:28] <Kr4t05> This isn't really a major thing, but can you make like larger shortcuts on the desktop?
[10:29] <VanessaE> larger how?
[10:29] <Kr4t05> Like, you have the regular 42px icons and then you have a huge 128px Home icon.
[10:29] <Kr4t05> Or something.
[10:29] <dante> hey
[10:29] <dante> can anyone help?
[10:30] <dante> im trying ti edit a file in the terminal, but it says kate cannot target X
[10:30] <dante> or something similar
[10:30] <dante> anyone know why?
[10:30] <zzz> Be a bit more specific. What is the error message?
[10:30] <dante> one sec
[10:30] <dante> the command is kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[10:31] <zzz> Okay.
[10:31] <dante> the reply is kdesu: kate cannot connect to x server
[10:31] <cpk2> is x running?
[10:31] <dante> probably not
[10:31] <[Al] > kate is a gui program
[10:31] <[Al] > try vi
[10:31] <zzz> Better yet, try nano
[10:31] <dante> im still trying to figure out everything on linux
[10:32] <dante> lol, any of these already on system?
[10:32] <cpk2> dante: are you in kde right now?
[10:32] <dante> yeah
[10:32] <dante> running those commands from the terminal though
[10:32] <cpk2> or are you just at a black screen?
[10:32] <dante> at teh moment in the GUI
[10:32] <zzz> Which terminal program are you using, Konsole?
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hello?
[10:33] <cpk2> you using konsole or are you actually on a tty besides 7?
[10:33] <dante> ive been pressing ctrl+alt+f1 and running that
[10:33] <cpk2> thats tty1
[10:33] <dante> not sure, which ever comes with the latest version of kubuntu
[10:33] <dante> yeah
[10:33] <cpk2> go back to tty7
[10:33] <avuton> How do I install pulseaudio?
[10:33] <dante> im on tty at the mo
[10:33] <zzz> Oh no. You must be in X to be able to run a graphical program
[10:33] <dante> tty7*
[10:33] <dante> im getting confused lol
[10:33] <zzz> Switch to tty7 and open up Konsole and retry.
[10:34] <zzz> It should work that way.
[10:34] <avuton> Can I use Adept to install pulseaudio?
[10:34] <dante> kool
[10:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anybody of you can suggest me the most linux compatible 56k analog modem for linux / kubuntu? i need to buy one and 1) have to be easy to find 2) MUST be easy to install/use because my daddy (pc-newbie) is going to use it 3) good price
[10:34] <cpk2> open konsole from the kmenu and then do kdesu kate
[10:34] <dante> ill give it a go
[10:34] <zzz> If you'd like to use the tty, however, you can use nano
[10:34] <cpk2> or vi
[10:34] <zzz> try sudo nano /etc/fstab
[10:34] <cpk2> or vim
[10:34] <dante> groovy cheers
[10:34] <dante> got it open now
[10:34] <dante> cheers all
[10:34] <zzz> glad to help you.
[10:35] <jmamakos> test 
[10:35] <zzz> Nice UTF characters!
[10:35] <zzz> UTF8 that is.
[10:35] <avuton> Can I use Adept to install pulseaudio, or what should I use?
[10:35] <cpk2> !find pulseaudio
[10:35] <ubotu> Package/file pulseaudio does not exist in dapper
[10:36] <avuton> (?) no way
[10:36] <avuton> !find pulse
[10:36] <ubotu> Package/file pulse does not exist in dapper
[10:36] <avuton> holy cow
[10:36] <zzz> Try running apt-cache search pulse
[10:37] <avuton> zzz: hrm, not there, I'm sorry, I'm very new to this dist, but not to linux. What's the best way of installing it if not in apt, /usr/local? :)
[10:37] <j0x0r> Hi guys, I've got a problem with upgrading from Breezy to Dapper; ia32-libs refuses to install
[10:38] <zzz> I have never used nor compiled that program. So I don't know...
[10:39] <Whiz2> I'm having a printer issue... I've installed a printer on my Linux machine, and now I'm trying to share it over a network with Windows 98, and XP, but after following directions in a document provided by the Linux OS, it still won't share.
[10:39] <zzz> You might try to download its source tarball and try the "./configure && make && make install" dance...
[10:39] <avuton> zzz: thanks
[10:39] <VanessaE> ew
[10:39] <VanessaE> use checkinstall :)\
[10:40] <j0x0r> I've tried various apt-getcommands, and even dpkg -i --force-all but it still refuses to install.. it says that ldd can't be replaced by ldd.amd64
[10:40] <cpk2> avuton: see if they have a .deb at their site
[10:40] <soulrider> !info armagetron
[10:40] <ubotu> armagetron: 3D Tron-like high speed game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7.0-1.1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 1005 kB, installed size 1856 kB
[10:41] <j0x0r> Apparently I've got the same problem as this guy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=269778  No solution tho
[10:42] <avuton> cpk2: it says it's in debian, I thought what was in their repository was in kubuntu. (and they don't)
[10:42] <vge> can i somehow revert back to using eclipse 3.1.x rather than accidentally installed 3.2 paggage that comes with edgy?
[10:42] <cpk2> avuton: well that means there should be a .deb floating around somewhere
[10:45] <zzz> Good night guys/gals...
[10:55] <silvania> where can i put something so that it will start when my computer starts?
[10:56] <angelo> hello all! i was wondering how to play kanagram in italian... the program is translated but the anagrams are in english... any hint ?
[10:56] <VanessaE> define "start"
[10:57] <VanessaE> you mean when KDE starts
[10:57] <VanessaE> ?
[10:57] <VanessaE> or when the computer is still 'booting'?
[10:58] <silvania> booting
[10:58] <silvania> like i want to start teamspeak server
[10:58] <VanessaE> edit your /etc/init.d/bootmisc
[10:58] <VanessaE> put the commands you want to run at the top of the file after the #!/bin/sh line.
[10:59] <VanessaE> you will of course need to sudo to edit that file.
[10:59] <silvania> its a blank file hmm
[10:59] <VanessaE> eh?
[10:59] <silvania> might not be created?
[10:59] <VanessaE> ack
[10:59] <VanessaE> bootmisc.sh
[10:59] <VanessaE> (when did that change?)
[10:59] <silvania> after the comment?
[11:00] <guanguil> bonsoir!!
[11:00] <VanessaE> more or less
[11:01] <silvania> thanks :)
[11:01] <VanessaE> just as long as #!/bin/sh is the very first line...  so right below that is fine
[11:01] <VanessaE> in fact, in my case I stick my extra commands between that "sh" line and the "### BEGIN INIT INFO" line.
[11:02] <SbCl3> is there a keyboard shortcut to switch sessions?
[11:02] <SbCl3> i thought it was Alt+F1 (or whichever number), but it appears i'm wrong
[11:03] <VanessaE> In X?
[11:03] <intelikey> if the session is in a different tty
[11:03] <VanessaE> Ctrl+Alt+Fz
[11:03] <VanessaE> Fx
[11:03] <intelikey> F#
[11:03] <VanessaE> :P
[11:03] <Kr4t05> Has anyone managed to get a decent screen casting tool working on Kubuntu Edgy?
[11:03] <SbCl3> thanks
[11:05] <kamyar> hello everyone
[11:05] <intelikey> i would have mentioned to SbCl3 that x sessions generally start in tty7 and go upward from there...  but that's not chisseled in stone.
[11:06] <intelikey> ^ had he not left so quickly.
[11:07] <intelikey> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
[11:07] <intelikey>  ?] 
[11:07] <angelo> hello all! i was wondering how to play kanagram in italian... the program is translated but the anagrams are in english... any hint ?
[11:08] <j0x0r> anyone know why my ia32 libs fail to install on my AMD64 when upgrading from breezy to dapper?
[11:08] <VanessaE> time to run, bbl.
[11:09] <intelikey> ttfn
[11:09] <VanessaE> time to open GnG taxi service :)
[11:09] <intelikey> :)
[11:09] <trappist> angelo: I might be able to help in a few minutes, when the source package is done downloading
[11:10] <angelo> trappist, thanks a lot :)
[11:12] <aztun> exists kdelite or mini-kde or something similar?
[11:13] <silvania> Is there a way to set priority to a process to make it less laggy? like a 3d game etc?
[11:13] <afm\colossus> man nice @ silvania
[11:13] <intelikey> kdebase
[11:13] <silvania> i have done the patch on kernel to get 1000hz
[11:13] <trappist> aztun: I believe the kdebase package contains and/or depends on everything you need for a minimal kde desktop
[11:14] <intelikey> or kdebase-bin aztun
[11:14] <trappist> silvania: man nice, as afm\colossus says
[11:14] <aztun> ok thx
[11:14] <silvania> okay ill check it
[11:14] <LjL> what is this 1000hz thing i keep hearing about anyway?
[11:14] <ianmacgregor> Where can I find some RSS feeds for Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[11:14] <afm\colossus> 1000hz ticks is not recommended anyway
[11:15] <silvania> its rate or something, i forgot what its called
[11:15] <LjL> whatever, i'm just curious
[11:15] <silvania> 200hz was standard
[11:15] <trappist> silvania: it can be confusing, so think of it like this - the 'nicer' an application is (the higher its niceness) the more willing it is to let other processes interrupt it.  so you want not-very-nice for high-priority.
[11:15] <LjL> like, renice -10 quake2? =)
[11:15] <trappist> for example, yeah
[11:15] <silvania> trappist: just that i gota run a program with:    nice <program> ?
[11:16] <trappist> silvania: man nice
[11:16] <LjL> brr. i don't even want to know what happened if i actually typed that with quake running :P
[11:16] <intelikey> i built both 1000hz and 100hz can't tell much differance.
[11:16] <afm\colossus> 250hz is recommended by the kernel folks
[11:16] <afm\colossus> for typical workloads
[11:16] <LjL> ok but what *is* this hertz thing anyway?
[11:16] <LjL> how often the main kernel timer ticks?
[11:16] <afm\colossus> yes
[11:17] <cellofellow> Anybody here know printers?
[11:17] <silvania> trappist: yeah i see that its command, but is it a way to do without it? like modify priority of a running process? cause its a other program lanuching it (cedega)
[11:17] <trappist> silvania: renice, to modify the priority of a running process
[11:17] <LjL> so normally the kernel can't do timekeeping any better than at 1/250th seconds intervals?
[11:18] <intelikey> afm\colossus actually the kernel developers recomend 100 for blah 250 for desktop workstation and 1000 for high traffic servers
[11:18] <intelikey> according to the online help in the kernel
[11:18] <silvania> trappist: thanks, sorry about the poor reading and understanding, im not english :)
[11:18] <cellofellow> I can't use the generic PostScript print driver. It just kind of crashes.
[11:19] <trappist> angelo: the application comes with *.kvtml files that have the anagrams in them.  I'm not sure how it would work, but you could file a bug requesting that those be translated
[11:19] <j0x0r> I think a package wants to install to "./usr/lib32" instead of "/usr/lib32" where can I confirm  that ...?
[11:20] <angelo> ah thanks trappist.. i'll try to do this
[11:20] <trappist> j0x0r: I've sure never heard of a package trying to install to ./anything
[11:20] <trappist> ok I'm out
[11:21] <j0x0r> trappist: that's what the output says
[11:21] <j0x0r> trappist: unable to create `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory    (if you're still around)
[11:22] <intelikey> j0x0r what is this package ?
[11:22] <j0x0r> intelikey: ia32-libs
[11:23] <MetaMorfoziS> Firefox 2.0 is out!!! http://getfirefox.com
[11:24] <intelikey> j0x0r that's a 64 bit specific package ?     it's probably looking for the chroot environment to install into.   cd to the base of your chroot and try it.
[11:24] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Old news actually :P
[11:24] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[11:24] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: It was released 2 days ago and Edgy already has it
[11:24] <MetaMorfoziS> in the site
[11:24] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Yes, old news
[11:24] <MetaMorfoziS> only shown about a few hours ago
[11:24] <j0x0r> intelikey: yes it's the 32-bit library for my AMD64... now where exactly is my chroot..? :)
[11:24] <Hawkwind> Edgy got firefox 2.0 this morning
[11:25] <intelikey> !chroot
[11:25] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[11:25] <Hawkwind> MetaMorfoziS: Hah better read again.  It hit the FTP's 2 days ago.  It was only announced this morning
[11:25] <intelikey> j0x0r ^
[11:25] <j0x0r> thing is, I've not built a chroot
[11:25] <j0x0r> I've just used the libraries to run OOo and skype et al
[11:26] <MetaMorfoziS> yep
[11:26] <intelikey> but the package may be built for use in a chroot.    idk.
[11:26] <cellofellow> I'm having big trouble with printer drivers.
[11:26] <oslo> someone with an ipod nano under kubuntu here ?
[11:26] <cellofellow> swiftfox hasn't built a firefox 2 version yet.
[11:27] <j0x0r> I don't have a /var/chroot as mentioned in ^ wiki page
[11:27] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: Nope not yet.  Wish Jason would hurry up and get swiftfox 2.0 final built and post it
[11:27] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: me too.
[11:28] <intelikey> j0x0r i'm not advising you to try it, as it may break things; but it would probably install if you just cd /   and install it.
[11:28] <cellofellow> So, when I try to install a PostScript printer, I get an error about the PostScript driver no being foung.
[11:28] <cellofellow> found
[11:28] <j0x0r> intelikey: tried that already... even with force-all :P
[11:29] <MetaMorfoziS> 
[11:29] <cellofellow> I get the same error with the HPIJS driver.
[11:30] <intelikey> if (you are in) /  ;then  / == ./  ;else / != ./   ;fi
[11:30] <angelo> trappist, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/68080
[11:30] <intelikey> i think i've written too much bash code..........
[11:31] <cellofellow> only driver I've succesfully used is the hl1250 driver for Brother HL-1240, but I don have other printers.
[11:31] <Whiz2> Anyone know anything about sharing printers on a LAN through Kubuntu?
[11:31] <j0x0r> intelikey:  heheh ... :)
[11:31] <cellofellow> don = do
[11:32] <cellofellow> Whiz2: CUPS and Samba I've done. Which one?
[11:32] <cellofellow> Whiz2: Windows share or unix?
[11:32] <Whiz2> well I'm trying to share them with windows systems, and the Linux computer is setup to share it's drives using Samba
[11:33] <cellofellow> Grrrr. Whiz2 I've been trying that for a while with no luck. On the other hand, I've been using a debian server with no gui so it's a little harder. Never tried on kubuntu.
[11:34] <Whiz2> but Ineed to reinstall the printer first, because I uninstalled it when it started printing junk
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Whiz2: exactly what i've been trying to do ..."cups" doesn't see my USB Hub coonected windows network printer
[11:34] <Whiz2> this is a LPT printer
[11:34] <cellofellow> Whiz2: printer, driver?
[11:35] <j0x0r> hmmm... maybe I've missed something in my sources.list
[11:35] <Whiz2> Epson Stylus COLOR using Kubuntu's Epson driver
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[11:35] <aumuell> oslo: yes
[11:35] <cellofellow> Whiz2: If it's an Epson maybe gimp-print would be better. I don't know though.
[11:37] <Whiz2> I tried installing the cups drivers but XP was denied access (can't connect) then Linux errored on the printer when it started printing junk.
[11:37] <cellofellow> So, anybody know about PostScript driver, or HPIJS would be even better.
[11:37] <Whiz2> I was trying postscript drivers too
[11:37] <cellofellow> Whiz2: sounds like samba not drivers then.
[11:37] <Whiz2> it failed all together lol
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: is the printer on your linux pc or windows pc?
[11:38] <Whiz2> all my other samba shares work perfectly fine
[11:38] <Whiz2> Linux
[11:38] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: then follow the guide I gave you, it's the way I set it up, it's dead easy!!
[11:39] <nzx> heyis there an easy way to upgrade from dapper to edgy ?
[11:39] <cellofellow> I've got an HP LaserJet 1100 on a Win98 pc that I want to print to. Kubuntu won't load the Foomatic + HPIJS driver it says to use, so I set up a virtual GhostScript printer on the Win98 PC that points to the real one, and I still can't print cause it won't load the PostScript driver.
[11:39] <Whiz2> I just installed the Linux (Local) print drivers for it, and I'm testing the printer itself to see if it's working right on it's own...
[11:40] <apokryphos> nzx: (i) make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed; (ii) edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all occurences of 'dapper' to 'edgy'
[11:40] <apokryphos> nzx: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:40] <nzx> apokryphos, cool thanks
[11:40] <Whiz2> one problem with that guide... I've also got a win98 PC that will want to have access to the printer as well
[11:40] <cellofellow> nzx: and to be on the safe side uninstall third-party packages.
[11:40] <intelikey> "sudo sed 's/dapper/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: you might need to put the linux ip address in the windows hosts file, apart from that should work like a charm
[11:41] <otaku-san> anyone know howto get a kdm theme to work?
[11:42] <j0x0r> how stable is edgy - my upgrade to dapper isn't really going well, so I might as well skip past dapper...
[11:42] <Whiz2> windows hosts file? dunno anything about that
[11:42] <nzx> cellofellow, what do you mean by third party packages?
[11:42] <nzx> i have installed eclipse 3.1.2 and i want to download and install some plugins, how so i so it ?
[11:43] <cellofellow> nzx: anything you installed that's not in the repos, like w32codecs or swiftfox.
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: well you do now lol http://accs-net.com/hosts/how_to_use_hosts.html
[11:44] <tony__> hello. , im trying to update ubuntu.. when it comes to install vmware player,, system seems to stop at End user license ..
[11:44] <tony__> now i have no idea what to do
[11:45] <cellofellow> Anybody know about PostScript or hpijs drivers? They just don't want to work.
[11:45] <cryptonic> how do i run as root in terminal?
[11:46] <Whiz2> Thanks guys. I'll do some homework on this, and hopefully I'll have it up & running soon
[11:46] <intelikey> yes i left out the redirrect.    ( sed * > /ect/apt/sources.list && )     that makes it harmless to the newbee but the old linux hand would notice that sed writes to stdout and use the redir to make that string work.
[11:46] <intelikey> !root > Whiz2
[11:46] <intelikey> !root > <cryptonic
[11:46] <intelikey> !root > cryptonic
[11:46] <intelikey> worry Whiz2
[11:46] <otaku-san> just tell him!
[11:46] <intelikey> sorry
[11:46] <Whiz2> Thank you, but I already know about root commands. :-p
[11:46] <intelikey> typo king for a day......
[11:46] <Whiz2> lol
[11:47] <otaku-san> cryptonic: just put sudo before what your going to type
[11:47] <cryptonic> thx
[11:47] <nzx> where do i install eclipse plugins to in dapper?
[11:47] <Whiz2> I'm gonna stick around... maybe peek my head in from time to time to see if I can help someone with the limited knowledge I have. :-)
[11:47] <otaku-san> cryptonic: no prob
[11:47] <otaku-san> intelikey: poor man
[11:48] <intelikey> otaku-san ?
[11:48] <tony__> why adept stalls when try  to upgrade vmware player ???? is only showing vmware end user licence
[11:48] <otaku-san> intelikey: I was meaning you ;p  Being the typo king sounds fun. heheh ;)
[11:49] <intelikey> tony__ cause you can't say "yes i promice to give you my computer and all that i have if i ever do anything you don't like"   to the EULA    run  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <TheGateKeeper> tony__: hmmm may be it's expecting you to agree to something, so you may need to do the installation using apt-get in the konsol
[11:50] <intelikey> otaku-san hehhe on occation.  but not on a daily bassis
[11:50] <tony__> yes.. it is , but ofcourse i can not click on yes :(
[11:50] <tony__> how to resolve this
[11:50] <otaku-san> tony_: you need to click show details
[11:50] <tony__> i did
[11:51] <tony__> how can i cancel this upgrade trough adept and start using konsole ?
[11:51] <otaku-san> tony_: and it doesn't show anything...like a blue screen with gray text or anything?
[11:51] <tony__> it shows the vmware end user licence agreements
[11:52] <otaku-san> intelikey: I know how you feel....nothing like going n00b on a linux irc channel... *sigh*
[11:52] <intelikey> tony__ GNU or bust !
[11:52] <otaku-san> tony_: make the window bigger..or try to scroll down
[11:53] <tony__> did , but wont show anything else
[11:53] <tony__> i have no idea why kubuntu needs VMWARE player
[11:53] <intelikey> it doesn't
[11:54] <black_13> how do i fix problems with unmet package dependencies
[11:54] <intelikey> !repos > black_13
[11:54] <tony__> can i just click on Quite and exite the adept ???
[11:54] <intelikey> yes
[11:54] <JosefK> tony_: not a good idea if you're in debconf
[11:54] <otaku-san> tony_: Theres normally a cancel button
[11:55] <tony__> i see nothign like that :|
[11:55] <intelikey> !adept
[11:55] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:55] <otaku-san> tony_: and it may bork the system....I did that on an important upgrade....*shudders*
[11:55] <tony__> i have button say : forget changes and quite , but that is inactive
[11:55] <JosefK> tony_: if you do close it now, and it is in debconf, you'll end up with some half-configured packages
[11:56] <black_13> intelikey sorry i dont understand your statement or question ?
[11:56] <otaku-san> ....speaking of upgrading....
[11:56] <tony__> but there is nothing else i can do i guess
[11:56] <intelikey> !repos | black_13
[11:56] <ubotu> black_13: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:56] <otaku-san> black_13: he was trying to get ubotu to tell you about repos
[11:56] <otaku-san> and he did
[11:56] <black_13> ok
[11:56] <intelikey> otaku-san twice.
[11:56] <otaku-san> good man intelikey ;)
[11:57] <black_13> ok whats a repository ?
[11:57] <intelikey> read the link
[11:57] <otaku-san> click the ling
[11:57] <otaku-san> link*
[11:57] <otaku-san> ya ling too....he kinda cool ;p
[11:57] <intelikey> :)
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> tony__: why are you installing VMWare?
[11:58] <otaku-san> intelikey: hehehe
[11:59] <otaku-san> tony_: I'm wondering the same thing...probably mentioned it above but do tell again
[11:59] <tony__> i wanted to install ftp server from pacakge manager.. i guess thats the reason , is been doing this for past few days now
[12:00] <Whiz2> TheGateKeeper: What about my Windows98 client? how can I get that to access the Linux printer?
[12:01] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: it will just use an IP address like your NT based ones will
[12:01] <Zerb_Riss> PEOPLE
[12:01] <Zerb_Riss> is it normal for Firefox to have the build number in the title bar?
[12:01] <JosefK> Zerb_Riss: not that I know of, see if you can fix it in about:config ?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Zerb_Riss: like firefox 2
[12:02] <otaku-san> not really...but opera does something similar..
[12:02] <dek> I am trying to compile a program, and I get this error "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found." I have kde-devel package installed. What am I missing?
[12:02] <VanessaE> not for us, it's just "Firefox" and the website name,
[12:02] <Zerb_Riss> well I've been using Firefox 2 RC3, and I am trying to upgrade to the final release, but I don't know how to check if it is updated or not
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Zerb_Riss: yuou have it
[12:02] <Whiz2> I won't have to do anything special for win98 to access it?
[12:02] <Zerb_Riss> it says Mozilla Firefox (Build 2006101022)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Zerb_Riss: final will not be included in edgy unless there are some major fixes and its doubtfull
[12:03] <DaSkreech> damn :-( booting from my Beta 1 Cd gets me into busybox
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Zerb_Riss: thats not near normal
[12:03] <Zerb_Riss> gnome: I want to upgrade manually
[12:03] <fdoving> dek: install libqt3-mt-dev, if this is a kde program you probably need 'kdelibs4-dev' too.
[12:03] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: shouldn't need to, I presume it is already use Tcp/Ip
[12:03] <tony_> I need to edit my grub.conf. Does anyone know how to save them?
[12:03] <dek> fdoving: they are both installed
[12:03] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: sounds fun....explain
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Zerb_Riss: than you will need to install firefox final when its released per instruction at !firefox
[12:04] <Whiz2> I access other computers through the network using thier computer names (aka //network/sharedir/file )
[12:04] <Zerb_Riss> gnomefreak: it's already released
[12:04] <fdoving> dek: then you must use ./configure --prefix=/usr
[12:04] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: that should be fixed already in the rc
[12:04] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: I don't know. I'm testing a CD I just burnt and it boots to the usplash (I hate Edgy's usplash) and then after about 10 minutes it switches to busybox
[12:04] <dek> fdoving: what prefix?
[12:04] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Ah
[12:04] <DaSkreech> ok
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: if you use a name for the printer driver like 'PrintServer' then put something in your hosts file, you will only need to modify the hosts file with something like notepad if the ip address changes
[12:05] <fdoving> dek: be warned. that will install things to /usr/ and not /usr/local as the normal is, so you mgith want to consider --includeqtdir=/usr/include or something like that instead.
[12:05] <fdoving> dek: or consider using 'checkinstall' instead of 'make install'
[12:05] <fdoving> !checkinstall > dek
[12:05] <dek> fdoving: the error I get is when using ./configure not make
[12:05] <black_13> ok i have tried using adept i still get problems when i try to add the qt3-examples package
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: carefully read the instructions, it's all there & very easy to setup, & works better than windows
[12:07] <Whiz2> Windows 98 doesn't have a hosts file that I know of
[12:07] <DaSkreech> It does
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Whiz2: Yeah it does...
[12:07] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: read the urls I have given you!!
[12:07] <Whiz2> I'm searching for it
[12:08] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: so it's a borked iso...suxor...I have heard so many complaints on the usplash...I need to check it out at OSDir
[12:08] <Whiz2> oh ok thank you
[12:08] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: It's silent
[12:08] <Kr4t05> I hosted a shoutcast server on a Windows 98 box, (for two weeks, before I decided to install Ubuntu Hoary Base Install)
[12:08] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: if it does not have one, create it using notepad
[12:09] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: it will be in \windows or \windows\system
[12:09] <dek> anyone know a good program for plotting 3D graphs?
[12:09] <TheGateKeeper> Whiz2: it will be in \windows or \windows\system32 ooops
[12:09] <fdoving> !offtopic
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