[12:10] <lupine_85> so changing the dir. won't help! TBH I think I bit off more than I could chew ;)
[12:10] <lupine_85> any suggestions?
[12:19] <joejaxx> LaserJock: with the debian packages lets say I wanted to have a file that i include in the package installed somewhere how do i do that?
[12:20] <joejaxx> i was looking through the debian new maintainers guide
[12:20] <joejaxx> and i see the config.ex file
[12:20] <joejaxx> but it does not say where you specific where to tell the debian file to install them
[12:22] <joejaxx> it = debian new maintainers guide
[12:22] <LaserJock> dh_install
[12:23] <joejaxx> ah
[12:25] <joejaxx> or man dh_install rather as the help flag points out
[12:31] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i love the man pages haha
[12:31] <joejaxx> they tell you everything you need to know
[12:31] <joejaxx> application flags configuration file exmaples etc
[12:31] <joejaxx> examples*
[12:36] <lupine_85> going back to rutilt... it "looks like" it only uses the kernel headers/sources to determine whether or not WEXT is of a high enough version... so the temptartion is to create a patch that removes that check
[01:32] <rmjb> Hi room
[01:34] <Burgwork> channel, actually
[01:36] <rmjb> Hello channel!
[01:37] <robitaille> well technically I think the channel will not answer to a greeting, but the people in it will :)
[03:05] <lotusleaf> By the power of Ubuntu! Iiiiiii Haaave the poooowaaaaaahhh!
[07:55] <lastnode> imbrandon: ping
[08:44] <imbrandon> heya everyone
[08:45] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[08:45] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[08:45] <imbrandon> moins fellas
[08:57] <AnAnt> there is a software that I want to package
[08:57] <AnAnt> it is a java software and doesn't have regular directory structure (bin/ share/ ..) should I put it in /opt ?
[08:58] <imbrandon> no, the package guide states nothing can go into /opt from the repos
[08:58] <AnAnt> what should I do then ?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> what does Debian Java policy say?
[08:59] <AnAnt> where's that ?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/
[09:01] <Kagou> hi
[09:01] <imbrandon> heya Kagou
[09:54] <siretart> hi
[09:54] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[09:54] <siretart> huhu imbrandon
[09:57] <siretart> does anyone know a reasonable rss feed validator? I'd like to know if my blogfeed is good enough for planet.ubuntu.com
[09:58] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:58] <siretart> heyho ajmitch
[09:59] <ajmitch> http://validator.w3.org/feed/
[09:59] <ajmitch> sigh, request for new upstream versions still being filed
[10:05] <siretart> ajmitch: I read that the archive is final for edgy, is this correct?
[10:05] <ajmitch> siretart: not for universe, afaik
[10:05] <ajmitch> but for main, yes
[10:05] <imbrandon> siretart, just fyi too , i've run planetplanet localy a few times and its pretty tolerant of feeds
[10:05] <imbrandon> ( planetplanet runs planet.u.c )
[10:05] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <ajmitch> so please people, fix universe bugs while you can!
[10:05] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[10:05] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[10:05] <siretart> hey dholbach
[10:06] <siretart> imbrandon: I'm already on a planet of my local LUG: planet.lusc.de. I think it works reasonably there, and I wonder if thats good enough for p.u.c
[10:06] <dholbach> heya ajmitch, imbrandon, siretart
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: sure! there's a guide on the wiki how to do it (how to get on planet)
[10:07] <imbrandon> siretart, they preobably run the same software, so i would imagine so, it only takes a few mintes to set it up to test ( or you can always add it , if its not right remove it )
[10:07] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, we want to see your blog :)
[10:07] <siretart> wow. my feed passes validator.w3.org with warnings only
[10:07] <imbrandon> siretart, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu  <-- how to add your feed
[10:08] <dholbach> ha... warnings are for loosers! move on to planet ubuntu! :-)
[10:08] <siretart> I'm not using a blog software, but a quite patched dokuwiki for my feed. therefore I wasn't too sure if that's good enough for planetplanet
[10:08] <siretart> :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> cant be any worse than blogger.com feeds , ugh
[10:10] <siretart> ajmitch: http://wiki.tauware.de/blog:tags:english
[10:10] <siretart> imbrandon: http://wiki.tauware.de/doku.php?blog=feed&tag=english
[10:10] <imbrandon> my old blog before i moved my site to dreamhost i actualy did the rss via a php script that grabed the info from my db and remade the rss ever 5 minutes on cron by hand
[10:10] <imbrandon> now THAT was hackish hehe
[10:10] <imbrandon> but it was a home grown cms
[10:10] <imbrandon> s/cms/blog
[10:11] <siretart> wow. every ubuntu member can checkout the planetplanet config? sweet
[10:11] <imbrandon> siretart, yup
[10:12] <imbrandon> it says it can take upto 4 hours to show up but it only take about 10 minutes in reality
[10:12] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I'm pretty sure the planet script only runs every hour or two.
[10:12] <siretart> hm. I still don't have a hackergotchi
[10:12] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, not grabbing the rss from the blogs, you can see the update time on the right, every 11 minutes or so
[10:13] <imbrandon> Updated on October 24, 2006 08:02 AM UTC. Entries are normalised to UTC time.
[10:13] <imbrandon> from the right ^^
[10:14] <imbrandon> and ~about 08:13 it will update again
[10:16] <siretart> aha. dholbach doesn't have a hackergotchi either :)
[10:16] <dholbach> jdub didn't like the one I made ages ago :)
[10:16] <dholbach> so at some stage, I'll probably have a new one
[10:17] <jsgotangco> the one with the flower?
[10:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:17] <ajmitch> siretart: we can make one for yo
[10:17] <dholbach> jsgotangco: no, unfortunately not ;)
[10:18] <jsgotangco> use the "germans" photo of highvoltage heh
[10:18] <dholbach> hehe, that was funny
[10:18] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ok so i was a few minutes off : Updated on October 24, 2006 08:16 AM UTC. Entries are normalised to UTC time.
[10:19] <imbrandon> still more than 1 or 2 times an hour ;)
[10:19] <siretart> ajmitch: you'd just need a suitable template, no? ;)
[10:19] <ajmitch> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/518
[10:20] <ajmitch> the famous siretart :)
[10:20] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:20] <imbrandon> waits for behind ubuntu to interview ajmitch
[10:20] <ajmitch> imbrandon: in a couple of weeks, I think
[10:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:21] <ajmitch> I got an email from them
[10:21] <ajmitch> of course I don't have any photo to supply for them :)
[10:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:21] <Burgundavia> who is behind ubuntu?
[10:21] <siretart> wah. that was in turkey about 3 years ago
[10:22] <siretart> great place there, btw. nice place for scuba diving :)
[10:22] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, seaLne iirc
[10:22] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: at least our interview never went online
[10:23] <imbrandon> yea what ever happened to that podcast ?
[10:23] <ajmitch> it got lost, thankfully
[10:23] <ajmitch> :)
[10:23] <imbrandon> heh
[10:24] <imbrandon> me and sladen are supose to be getting our podcast going again sometime, dunno when
[10:24] <imbrandon> heh
[10:25] <jsgotangco> ahh these bigtime f/oss superstars
[10:25] <ajmitch> says mr international celebrity speaker
[10:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:27] <imbrandon> hum video other than theora can be in a ogg container ?
[10:27] <dholbach> siretart: scuba diving?
[10:27] <ajmitch> afaik it's possible, but I haven't seen it
[10:27] <dholbach> ajmitch: where is your blog?
[10:27] <ajmitch> dholbach: I don't blog
[10:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch, does totem ( or what ever the default ubuntu gnome video player is ) play xvid OOTB ?
[10:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very thankfully :)
[10:28] <imbrandon> xvid/ogg specificly
[10:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: thankful that I don't blog?
[10:28] <dholbach> ajmitch: then you should :)
[10:28] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no idea
[10:28] <ajmitch> dholbach: I have nothing interesting to write about :)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: to the interview that got lost
[10:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: just don't remind jdub about it
[10:29] <imbrandon> yea ajmitch and Hobbsee's blog are missing from planet
[10:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right
[10:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sounds good to me
[10:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hush.
[10:29] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I don't want to send people to sleep
[10:29] <dholbach> ajmitch: sure you do - all your dirty little secrets - the world has a right to know! :-)
[10:29] <bhale> my blog hasnt been there for a year
[10:29] <ajmitch> haha
[10:30] <ajmitch> if I were to write, it probably wouldn't be about ubuntu, most of the time
[10:30] <ajmitch> hello DBO
[10:30] <dholbach> btw I noticed that mooch has a blog for his dj mixtapes - that's a cool idea
[10:30] <DBO> hello ajmitch
[10:30] <siretart> dholbach: scuba diving is englisch for "Geraetetauchen"
[10:30] <dholbach> siretart: ahhhh ok :-)
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus or so.
[10:31] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: ahh but i am but a simple software developer for a non-profit now
[10:31] <imbrandon> heh
[10:32] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: just waiting for your next big appearance
[10:32] <jsgotangco> doh
[10:37] <imbrandon> hum besides -dev and -core-dev what are the other major "groups" of *ubuntu
[10:37] <ajmitch> -members
[10:37] <imbrandon> i have an idea but i need a few categorys
[10:37] <imbrandon> k -members , -doc-team ?
[10:37] <ajmitch> those are the 3 that grant various rights
[10:37] <ajmitch> sure, you also have doc, marketing, etc
[10:37] <StevenK> ajmitch: But you already bore us? :-P
[10:37] <ajmitch> & smaller teams like -desktop, -qa, -server
[10:38] <ajmitch> StevenK: thanks, I'll go & cry myself to sleep now
[10:38] <StevenK> Heh
[10:38] <StevenK> At 8:30pm?
[10:38] <StevenK> A little early to be depressed, isn't it? :-P
[10:38] <imbrandon> well i would like to keep it to like 4 or 6 groups that cover most all people
[10:38] <imbrandon> thus developers, members , .....
[10:39] <imbrandon> developers == both dev and core-dev
[10:39] <imbrandon> but just those two leave alot of people out
[10:39] <imbrandon> but i dont wanna break it way way way down to -qa -desktop etc
[10:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: why do you need to do that?
[10:40] <imbrandon> just an idea i had for a "faces.ubuntu.com" with a gallery of mugshots ( not bios ) of the ubuntu community
[10:40] <imbrandon> or something kinda like it
[10:41] <imbrandon> thus 4 or 5 "categorys" for faces
[10:42] <imbrandon> the intoduce your self thread on the forum gave me the idea
[10:42] <imbrandon> really i dunno, was just a passing thought
[10:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: aha
[10:48] <siretart> wow. my blog got added even without flooding the planet
[10:50] <dholbach> woohoo
[10:53] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:02] <jelmer> 'morning
[11:04] <ajmitch> hey jelmer
[11:04] <jelmer> so, where's the next Ubuntu development meeting?
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Hi jelmer (you weren't gone for long)
[11:05] <jelmer> nope, just one uni course
[11:05] <ajmitch> jelmer: probably after release
[11:11] <jelmer> ah, ok
[11:13] <ajmitch> since the next one would have been on release day
[11:13] <ajmitch> when noone would want another meeting
[11:13] <imbrandon> heh
[11:13] <Amaranth> No one would be there. :P
[11:13] <Amaranth> They'd all get excused from the meeting to work on the release. :)
[11:13] <ajmitch> except the hordes of screaming users
[11:14] <imbrandon> man i hate release time
[11:14] <ajmitch> imbrandon: don't hate it, just get fixing bugs
[11:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: we'll avoid thursday, right?  :P
[11:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hehe
[11:17] <Amaranth> man, thursday is going to be all hands on deck in #ubuntu
[11:18] <Amaranth> It helps that all the people in #ubuntu+1 who know how to use edgy get autoforwarded to #ubuntu on the same day :)
[11:18] <imbrandon> Amaranth, really starting today , alot upgrade early becouse its frozen anyhow ( main )
[11:18] <DBO> i will be there aussie time
[11:18] <DBO> imbrandon, and to avoid the server destruction
[11:18] <ajmitch> I'll probably be passed out on the floor
[11:19] <DBO> a noble way out =P
[11:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:20] <DBO> how you been?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> DBO: assignments, work, etc
[11:20] <Hobbsee> DBO: uploading from time to time
[11:20] <DBO> generally busy
[11:20] <DBO> got it =)
[11:22] <sivang> hey folks
[11:28] <Hobbsee> hey sivang
[11:28] <imbrandon> heya sivang
[11:36] <zakame> yo dholbach Hobbsee imbrandon sivang
[11:48] <cypher1> how can i make sure that a 4:3 ratio theme is available for usplash to show ?
[11:49] <cypher1> or a theme to display on a 1024x768 resolution
[11:55] <Fujitsu> cypher1: All of the official theme packages have such themes.
[11:58] <cypher1> Fujitsu: thanks
[12:04] <cypher1> Fujitsu: is there any document or tutorial on how usplash works ?
[12:07] <imbrandon> anyone here use rsync regularly ?
[12:10] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I use it a bit, but not exactly regularly.
[12:10] <Fujitsu> cypher1: Not as far as I know.
[12:13] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-powerpc.iso .
[12:13] <imbrandon> rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)
[12:13] <imbrandon> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(614) [receiver=2.6.8] 
[12:13] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ^
[12:14] <Fujitsu> The server crashed, or something? I've not seen such an error before.
[12:15] <imbrandon> ahh it seems -devel i'm not the only one having issues
[12:15] <imbrandon> its working now, something must have been borked at the DC
[12:19] <StevenK> rsyncd could have died
 okay, I see a lot of rsync clients at the moment
[12:20] <imbrandon> yea iwj was having issues too, but seems ok now
[12:30] <imbrandon> zomg ajmitch i FINALY got a full ( as in will compile AND package any regular deb including getting libs etc ) for cross
[12:30] <ajmitch> oh good
[12:30] <ajmitch> I'm just despairing at certain people who are intent on backporting things like firefox 2.0 to dapper
[12:30] <imbrandon> i'm gonna find something semi complicated like a kde app to compile and then install it on my ppc to make one final test
[12:31] <imbrandon> then i'll make a howto, its fairly simple once you know all the peices
[12:31] <ajmitch> how about anything that uses a binary made at build time?
[12:31] <imbrandon> hum like ?
[12:31] <ajmitch> should be plenty of examples - gcc for one :)
[12:32] <imbrandon> ahh well you have to stap it i'm thinking, there is two ways , one if you have that hardware .... well ...... ummmm
[12:32] <imbrandon> tbh not sure just yet
[12:32] <imbrandon> i'll have to test it a bit more
[12:32] <Quinn_Storm> hey guys...I've heard that I've been away from this channel for too long
[12:32] <ajmitch> quite a few packages compile a binary & then use that binary to process stuff
[12:33] <ajmitch> hello Quinn_Storm
[12:33] <Quinn_Storm> hi
[12:33] <imbrandon> heya Quinn_Storm
[12:33] <Quinn_Storm> I want to say first off, I agree that a freeze-and-bugfix mode to work toward feisty is a good idea
[12:34] <ajmitch> it'll be necessary
[12:34] <imbrandon> yea
[12:34] <imbrandon> i see now, i hadent thought about that, maybe qemu can help out there
[12:34] <imbrandon> i got to think how to make that transparent though
[12:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: especially the user-mode qemu, for running individual binaries
[12:35] <imbrandon> yea thats what i was thinking
[12:35] <Quinn_Storm> I think Amaranth really wants to drop the fork...I think obviously he's wrong in that goal...oh and also I think that we're gonna pull debian/ out of each module in svn and make a separate debian/ module & do tarball-based builds like everyone else
[12:35] <imbrandon> thats how i tested the first binarys i made from hello.c
[12:35] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, yea we're right with ya on that ( not the dropping the fork though , dunno where that came from )
[12:36] <imbrandon> we ( me and ajmitch ) had a small chat with DBO earlier
[12:36] <Quinn_Storm> yeah I'm talking to him now
[12:36] <imbrandon> about /debian etc
[12:36] <Quinn_Storm> I just want everyone to know that I'm not ignoring you, or trying to do things "wrong"
[12:36] <imbrandon> heya DBO
[12:36] <DBO> hi imbrandon
[12:36] <DBO> I discussed with quinn and nigel_c (suspend2 guy turned beryl) your issues
[12:37] <DBO> and nigel is looking into them now
[12:37] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, no we werent saying that at all , we just noted some things that needed improved a bit to make it better
[12:37] <Quinn_Storm> yeah, Amaranth has a different tone than you do, imbrandon , that's all
[12:37] <Quinn_Storm> he's...always angry
[12:37] <imbrandon> heh
[12:37] <Quinn_Storm> I know he's trying to help though so it's not a big issue to me
[12:37] <imbrandon> Amaranth, shame on you
[12:38] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, dont get me wrong the sugestions we sugested woudl go a LONG way to helping me get the package into the repos ina clean way but i dunno about Amaranth's tone or anything else
[12:38] <Quinn_Storm> Our general goal is to listen to the community and implement any needeed improvements, so things like moving debian/ out, creating the 0.2 branch for feisty, etc. are good ideas we plan to do.
[12:39] <Quinn_Storm> (we're doing like compiz and using "old" kernel version numbering, so 0.1.x is unstable, 0.2.x stable, etc.)
[12:39] <siretart> Quinn_Storm: good to hear that. at what point of development is beryl now?
[12:40] <DBO> its getting ready for a freeze siretart =)
[12:40] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, cool , keep me in the loop if you would , i guess i got volenteered to do this in the "official way" :)
[12:40] <Quinn_Storm> gladly, and I think we'll be talking about all this at UDS too
[12:40] <DBO> imbrandon, suckered =P
[12:40] <imbrandon> yup yup
[12:40] <imbrandon> yea i'll be at UDS and added myself to the bof
[12:40] <siretart> DBO: cool!
[12:40] <imbrandon> as will ajmitch i'm sure
[12:41] <Quinn_Storm> yeah the 'freeze' will be the 0.2 branch...(ahead of previous schedule, but feisty needs it)
[12:41] <Quinn_Storm> if that's okay with everyone
[12:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: which one?
[12:42] <imbrandon> honestly its your code but i would do a feature freeze now and a full freeze about half way through the feisty cycle so bugs that come out in feisty can be fixed
[12:42] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, ^^ just my 0.2c
[12:42] <Quinn_Storm> ok, that makes sense, imbrandon , and if it keeps everyone happy that's great
[12:42] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i said you will be at UDS MTV
[12:42] <Quinn_Storm> well...actually
[12:42] <Quinn_Storm> 0.2 would be a feature freeze but not full freeze
[12:43] <Quinn_Storm> since its a 'stable' branch
[12:43] <imbrandon> right
[12:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you said you added yourself to the bof - what spec did you mean?
[12:43] <imbrandon> the beryl-by-default one
[12:43] <ajmitch> ok
[12:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^
[12:43] <ajmitch> I'll see if I can muster up the will to come along :)
[12:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:44] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, yup yup
[12:44] <Quinn_Storm> ok, so 0.2 in the very near future, dev moving to 0.3.x, releases coming from 0.2.x, make sense everyone?
[12:45] <thom> ajmitch: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/selinux-by-default
[12:45] <siretart> Quinn_Storm: this makes perfect sense
[12:46] <ajmitch> thom: thanks for proposing that
[12:46] <thom> ajmitch: i'll get at least a draft spec written up later.
[12:46] <thom> np
[12:46] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, yup and the other thing was to make tarbals for the releases that " ./configure;make;make install" can be run with nothing else and remove debian/ and .spec files , other than that looks rocking Quinn
[12:46] <Quinn_Storm> yeah the debian/ and .spec will go into separate build-modules in svn instead
[12:46] <Quinn_Storm> and we'll drop tarballs for the releases, sure
[12:47] <imbrandon> rockin
[12:47] <ajmitch> Quinn_Storm: even nicer - md5sums & gpg sign everything you release :)
[12:47] <Quinn_Storm> sure...my key is well known, hope I don't ever lose it
[12:47] <ajmitch> signed by many yet?
[12:47] <imbrandon> backups !!
[12:48] <Quinn_Storm> I don't htink so, ajmitch
[12:48] <imbrandon> cd-r good too ;)
[12:48] <ajmitch> get it signed at UDS
[12:48] <Quinn_Storm> cool, will do
[12:48] <jsgotangco> and be cool like ajmitch
[12:48] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: :P
[12:48] <ajmitch> hi herzi
[12:49] <imbrandon> Quinn_Storm, feel free to "drop me a line" email anytime too and i'll try to keep up with #beryl-dev when i can
[12:50] <ajmitch> ugh
[12:50] <ajmitch> cook strait ferry finally made it into wellington
[12:50] <ajmitch> poor people who had to sit out there in the rough seas :)
[12:50] <Quinn_Storm> sure, imbrandon
[12:51] <imbrandon> and DBO ^^ hehehe
[12:51] <DBO> I just try to make sure everyones happy
[12:54] <ajmitch> but it's far more fun to be bitter & hating
[12:54] <imbrandon> lol
[12:55] <DBO> and easier
[12:55] <siretart> DBO: I have a radeon 7500, using the opensource 'ati' driver. is that chip/driver fast enough for beryl/emerald? (and is that question already answered in some FAQ I don't know if yet?)
[12:55] <DBO> yes
[12:55] <DBO> its fast enough
[12:55] <DBO> just disable blur and perhaps raise the timestep a bit on the animation plugin
[12:55] <imbrandon> siretart, i use that exact setup on my lappy just fine
[12:55] <DBO> also dont use fire
[12:56] <Quinn_Storm> ok, debian/'s are already out in trunk, into distro-specific-build-files/$module/debian
[12:56] <DBO> time to write a new one!
[12:57] <ajmitch> Quinn_Storm: btw, are there 2 differing svn repositories?
[12:57] <siretart> imbrandon: cool. so I 'just' need to compile and install beryl/emerald to profit, right?
[12:57] <Quinn_Storm> ajmitch: the one on beryl-project.org is a mirror, checked every 1min against the main repo, its for anon checkout to not overtax my machine
[12:58] <ajmitch> Quinn_Storm: right, not done with rsync or similar?
[12:58] <Quinn_Storm> svm
[12:58] <ajmitch> since I couldn't just do svn switch --relocate
[12:58] <imbrandon> siretart, yea
[12:58] <Quinn_Storm> its done with svm...it should work I guess svm isn't up to the task
[12:58] <siretart> imbrandon: interesting. will put it on my todo list
[12:58] <imbrandon> siretart, i've been working on packages too, i ahve some 0.1 ones but i havent updated completely to 0.1.1 yet
[12:59] <ajmitch> imbrandon: my i915 is supposedly up to it as well :)
[12:59] <ajmitch> though I haven't tried for awhile
[12:59] <imbrandon> hehe my i845 does it but slowly
[01:00] <Quinn_Storm> I'm soon to get a laptop with gma900 in it...hope its good enough, heh...$500 tho...not a bad deal for the machine
[01:00] <ajmitch> Quinn_Storm: yes, that's what my one is listed as
[01:01] <Quinn_Storm> cool
[01:01] <ajmitch> though I got it more for the 100GB disk & 1GB RAM
[01:01] <ajmitch> than the cheap integrated graphics
[01:01] <ajmitch> only time I tried compiz on it was when it first came out
[01:01] <Quinn_Storm> heh I got mine for the $500 pricetag...14" wxga, 40GB hdd (plenty for me), 512MB ram @ 400 fsb (4x the speed of my desktop)...
[01:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: how close are your packages to being done?
[01:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i could finish them tonight if i spend about 30 more minutes on them
[01:03] <ajmitch> I wouldn't mind doing some laptop testing..
[01:03] <ajmitch> you don't need sleep
[01:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:05] <ajmitch> don't feel that you need to
[01:05] <ajmitch> I'll probably go & sleep before you do :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:05] <imbrandon> well i would do it right now but i have gcc compiling
[01:06] <ajmitch> you need dual-core
[01:06] <imbrandon> ye no doubt
[01:06] <ajmitch> twice the fun
[01:07] <ajmitch> good to see tfheen being a BRMFH :)
[01:08] <imbrandon> a what ?
[01:08] <ajmitch> you know of the classic BOFH?
[01:09] <imbrandon> no
[01:09] <imbrandon> hahah classic : Edgy is so frozen, you would not believe
[01:09] <ajmitch> BOFH = bastard operator from hell
[01:09] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:10] <jsgotangco> Hahhaha
[01:10] <ajmitch> it is a classic work
[01:10] <imbrandon> rm release mgr
[01:10] <imbrandon> i guess
[01:10] <ajmitch> yes
[01:10] <imbrandon> :)
[01:10] <jsgotangco> Would you be one in the future? Heh
[01:11] <imbrandon> no, not anytime in the forseeable future, i dont want that job
[01:11] <imbrandon> ever
[01:13] <ajmitch> I wonder who'll be landed with it for feisty
[01:15] <ajmitch> haha
[01:15] <ajmitch> "[snip pseudo bug report] "
[01:15] <imbrandon> heh
[01:15] <ajmitch> harsh
[01:16] <Quinn_Storm> lol yeah quite harsh
[01:16] <imbrandon> but i'm a tad bias i guess
[01:16] <imbrandon> ( to that particular email )
[01:26] <ajmitch> sleep time, night all
[01:26] <imbrandon> gnight ajmitch
[01:26] <ajmitch> I expect everyone to fix some edgy bugs
[01:27] <imbrandon> :)
[01:27] <ajmitch> we don't want universe to be frozen in the state it's in
[01:27] <imbrandon> the mod-mono one needs apache2 rebuilt thats not gonna happen /me moves to the next one
[01:28] <ajmitch> so get fixing :)
[01:28] <ajmitch> and I'm going off to sleep, deadlines at work
[01:28] <Nafallo> ajmitch: any high urgency targets?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> are we in a freeze til after release?
[01:29] <Nafallo> except tolip?
[01:29] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: yes, we are frozen until feisty opens
[01:29] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:29] <Nafallo> s/tolip/topic/
[01:30] <gnomefreak> so its safe to say if its not fixed it wont be for a while
[01:30] <Nafallo> fixes may get approved for uploads still.
[01:30] <gnomefreak> k
[01:31] <Nafallo> but one of dholbach, slomo_, ajmitch, siretart have to approve the upload beforehand
[01:48] <xerxas> Hi all
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Hi xerxas
[01:49] <xerxas> Hi Fujitsu
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ogra: have you uploaded the patch for xscreensaver (netpbm)?
[03:09] <ogra> i wasnt allowed to when i wanted last week ...
[03:09] <ogra> i'll push it in an update
[03:10] <gnomefreak> ty its not important but im sure im not the only person with the issue.
[03:11] <ogra> yep
[03:11] <ogra> sorry for being late with that one
[03:11] <ogra> sadly x-s-s is on the Cd so i cant just upload it even if the fix is only for universe
[03:11] <gnomefreak> its cool
[03:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:12] <gnomefreak> i didnt know it was on CD
[03:12] <ogra> xscreensaver-data and xscreensaver-gl are ...
[03:13] <ogra> all others are in universe ... (apart from xscreensaver itself thats used by xubuntu and thus in main)
[03:13] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:45] <neutrinomass> squishdot needs a rebuild to fix the dep issues ( bug 65474 )
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65474 in squishdot "[UNMETDEPS]  squishdot has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65474
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:47] <neutrinomass> ^^ ignore above comment, nothing's fixed
[03:48] <neutrinomass> hi bddebian :)
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya neutrinomass
[04:10] <neutrinomass> i may have figured out bug 65474 after all :)  (only mentioning to get comments in case something isn't correct)
[04:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65474 in squishdot "[UNMETDEPS]  squishdot has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65474
[04:48] <sivang> re fellas
[04:49] <phanatic> hey sivang
[04:53] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[05:06] <bhale> hi whiprush
[05:12] <whiprush> hi bhale
[06:00] <hub> how does gac installation works in packages?
[06:05] <slomo_> hub: man dh_installcligac or look at the debian CLI policy
[06:07] <hub> because my package does not seem to register the lib in GAC
[06:07] <hub> I'll dig more
[06:08] <slomo_> hub: what package is this?
[06:08] <slomo_> hub: libgphotosharp? ;)
[06:08] <hub> no
[06:09] <hub> a backport of libgmimesharp
[06:09] <hub> for "work"
[06:09] <slomo_> ah ok
[06:11] <hub> so it install the .installlibgac in /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/
[06:11] <hub> but who run that?
[07:22] <_MMA_> imbrandon: ping
[07:22] <imbrandon_> _MMA_: pong
[07:23] <_MMA_> :) I think I just ran across your repo. Am I right?
[07:23] <_MMA_> Do you have one?
[07:23] <imbrandon_> possibly , yes
[07:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: deny it! :-)
[07:28] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: hehe
[07:28] <imbrandon_> heya
[07:28] <giskard> hey LaserJock
[07:28] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon and giskard
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, if you weren't on EU time you'd be doing much better
[07:29] <zul> imbrandon_: listen to some shakira that will wake you up
[07:29] <Subhuman> ?
[07:30] <imbrandon_> lol
[07:30] <giskard> please someone save LaserJock
[07:30] <zul> or shoot him
[07:30] <LaserJock> oh well ;-)
[07:31] <giskard> give me baby one more time
[07:40] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:41] <LaserJock> hi
[07:42] <_MMA_> cbx33: Are you still blocked from UbuntuStudio.org?
[07:42] <cbx33> _MMA_, not sure
[07:42] <cbx33> not at work for the next few days
[07:42] <_MMA_> Ok. I had it fixed after you mentioned it.
[07:43] <_MMA_> I have no way to make sure though.
[07:48] <imbrandon_> heya cbx33
[07:48] <imbrandon_> ok off to sleep, gnight fellas
[07:52] <CarlFK> sudo dpkg -i spe_0.8.3-svn-158_all.deb - that errors with "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of spe:" python-wxglade...  I can fix with 'apt-get -f install' - wondering if there is a 'nicer' way to do it?
[08:09] <Nafallo> CarlFK: gdebi is nice
[08:09] <CarlFK> bingo!
[08:10] <LaserJock> mwuahaha, I can code!
[08:10] <LaserJock> sorta
[08:12] <CarlFK> Nafallo: thanks much.  this was driving me nuts
[08:13] <Nafallo> np :-)
[08:13] <Nafallo> thank mvo :-)
[08:53] <rmjb> Hello, anyone knows if the initramfs leaves a log anywhere?
[08:56] <LaserJock> not sure
[08:57] <LaserJock> hmm, is 0xffff a hex number?
[08:59] <rmjb> yeah, should be 65535
[09:18] <ajmitch> morning
[09:18] <zul> hey ajmitch
[09:31] <sivang> hi ajmitch
[09:32] <giskard> ajmitch:  sivang :)
[09:39] <sivang> hey giskard
[09:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't seem to figure out how to do RGB colors here
[09:55] <rmjb> FF FF FF <- R B G, 8 bits for each colour resulting in 24 bits total
[09:57] <LaserJock> rmjb: well, but 0xffff is for just R
[09:57] <LaserJock> that's what is getting me
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what colour depth are you playing with?
[09:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hmm, I have no idea
[09:58] <LaserJock> it's just a gtk+ app
[10:00] <chantra> hi there, as /lib/iptables/libipt_account.so ever being in ubuntu iptables?
[10:01] <rmjb> LaserJock: there is 16 bit colour, with 5 bits per colour and an extra for green... can 0xffff be for all 3 colours?
[10:01] <rmjb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highcolour
[10:01] <LaserJock> no, I'm setting each seperatly
[10:02] <minghua> LaserJock: so maybe you need three numbers for a color?
[10:02] <LaserJock> rigt
[10:02] <LaserJock> I can get it to do red , green, and blue
[10:02] <LaserJock> and mixes of the full colors
[10:03] <LaserJock> but it seems like I can only switch between 0 and 0xffff for each of RGB
[10:03] <minghua> won't surprise me
[10:03] <LaserJock> if I put in 0x00ff for instance for red it doesn't do anyting
[10:03] <LaserJock> it must do it somehow
[10:03] <minghua> oh
[10:04] <minghua> so 0xffff is the same as 0xff00
[10:04] <minghua> and 0x00ff is the same as 0x0000?
[10:04] <LaserJock> I don't think it does anything
[10:04] <rmjb> do you see a difference between 0xff00 and 0xffff? or anyone in between?
[10:06] <LaserJock> ok, so if I set red and blue to 0xffff and green to 0 I get purple
[10:06] <rmjb> it could be that each 8 bit colour is being stored in a 16 bit value, which means the last two hex digits are meaningless
[10:06] <rmjb> ?
[10:07] <LaserJock> if I set red to 0xff00 it doesn't change
[10:07] <LaserJock> if I set red to 0x00ff I get blue
[10:08] <minghua> very strange
[10:08] <minghua> LaserJock: this is in coding?
[10:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:09] <minghua> C?  (you said GTK)
[10:09] <LaserJock> so 0xff00 is the same as 0xffff and 0x00ff is the same a 0
[10:09] <LaserJock> C++
[10:09] <LaserJock> I'll just ask the author
[10:09] <rmjb> that's what it looks like LaserJock
[10:09] <LaserJock> I thought maybe I was just stupid
[10:09] <rmjb> ignore the last two hex digits of  each colour
[10:09] <minghua> LaserJock: using GTK or gtkmm?
[10:09] <LaserJock> GTK
[10:11] <minghua> LaserJock: is this color set in some GTK function or some function of the app?
[10:12] <LaserJock> that's what I'm not sure of, I'm pretty sure the app does something
[10:12] <Burgwork> LaserJock: usually apps do things...
[10:12] <minghua> typedef struct {
[10:12] <minghua>   guint32 pixel;
[10:12] <minghua>   guint16 red;
[10:12] <minghua>   guint16 green;
[10:12] <minghua>   guint16 blue;
[10:12] <minghua> } GdkColor;
[10:12] <minghua> that's the color data structure in GTK
[10:13] <minghua> so you are supposed to be able to use 0x0 to 0xffff
[10:18] <LaserJock> case solved
[10:19] <chantra> !libipt_account
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libipt_account - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <LaserJock> from the author, "GdkColor use 16 bits colors, but when rendered only the 8 highest bits are used"
[10:21] <LaserJock> I used to think that people should learn Python as their first programming language
[10:21] <LaserJock> now I think I'm changing my mind
[10:21] <rmjb> C++ ?
[10:21] <LaserJock> learning Python first just spoils you
[10:21] <rmjb> x86 ASM :)
[10:22] <LaserJock> C++ seems like a good beginning point
[10:23] <LaserJock> I also think it's good to start out with OOP
[10:24] <Burgwork> LaserJock: I learned c++ as my first language
[10:24] <Burgwork> I don't program any more largely because of the pain of c++
[10:25] <LaserJock> yeah, but going from C++ to Python is a breeze I'd imagine
[10:25] <Burgwork> who cares?
[10:25] <LaserJock> going from Python to C++ is  pain :-)
[10:25] <Burgwork> make programming fun and easy, then deal with that
[10:25] <Burgwork> but you are already hooked
[10:25] <LaserJock> I suppose
[10:25] <LaserJock> hook them on Python and then torture them with C++ :-)
[10:43] <hub> and I python better have a good QA
[10:43] <hub> because there are a LOT of errors that the C++ compiler catch
[10:43] <yosch> hi guys,
[10:44] <yosch> bug 62756 says fixed in bzr, how do I get the branch?
[10:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62756 in casper "mono confused by the desktopCD" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62756
[10:55] <lucas> oops
[10:58] <ajmitch> yosch: it's fixed in any of the recent live cd images
[10:59] <ajmitch> why do you need the bzr branch of casper?
[10:59] <Adri2000> ajmitch: you can approve universe uploads?
[10:59] <yosch> ajmitch: yes, but I'm doing a dapper-based livecd and the bug is still present, nothing is working monowise
[10:59] <ajmitch> Adri2000: yes
[11:00] <yosch> ajmitch: well, to see where the bug is
[11:00] <ajmitch> yosch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/casper/trunk
[11:01] <yosch> ajmitch: thanks, branching
[11:02] <Adri2000> ajmitch: bug 56320, this firefox extension doesn't work at all, it needs the last upstream release which has very minor changes (a few line to make it compatible with firefox 2), but the upstream author didn't change the version number
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56320 in webdeveloper "does not work with Firefox 2.0 beta" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56320
[11:04] <ajmitch> Adri2000: so it's really a new upstream release, which needs to go via motu-uvf, not just myself
[11:05] <Adri2000> ajmitch: ok
[11:23] <superm1> ajmitch, yesterday i put together a UVFe to fix the unmet deps on autoprofile.  is there anything else that I will need to do other than subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors (bug #67761)
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67761 in autoprofile "Universe UVFe for autoprofile 2.14" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67761
[11:24] <superm1> (and of course attach diffstat/upstream changelog/pbuilder)
[11:25] <ajmitch> yes, assign to motu-uvf, otherwise it won't be seen
[11:25] <ajmitch> hm unless dholbach has already approved it..
[11:25] <superm1> :)
[11:26] <ajmitch> superm1: it needs to be filed as a sync request then
[11:26] <ajmitch> so put the debian changelog entries & subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:26] <superm1> in the same bug right?
[11:26] <ajmitch> yes
[11:28] <superm1> so in general then when do i subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors versus ubuntu-archive to get something uploaded?
[11:29] <ajmitch> u-u-s to get it checked over
[11:29] <ajmitch> u-a needs to be subscribed for a sync
[11:29] <superm1> and if motu-uvf is in the picture, skip u-u-s once they approve?
[11:29] <ajmitch> considering that it's already tested & approved, subscribe ubuntu-archive here
[11:29] <ajmitch> either way you need to get someone to upload or approve it
[11:30] <superm1> okay
[11:30] <superm1> added them on then.  thanks
[11:32] <rmjb> what's the commands to diff across directories? diff -Nru ?
[11:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:33] <rmjb> thanks