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apokryphosinstall went great, everything's good apart from evil arts again12:23
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Riddellkwwii: mmm12:41
Riddelllooks yummy12:41
Riddellkwwii: I like bottom left12:42
kwwiiRiddell: ok, I will work on that one (cutting up the pics)...do you know if there is a way to test this?12:43
Riddellin a web browser?12:44
Lurekwwii: bottom left is the best12:44
Riddellnot sure what you mean12:44
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, in a browser, I mean12:44
Riddellkwwii: well put the images into the HTML and voila12:45
nixternalhey kwwii, you wouldn't happen to know the best icc profile to use for color here...my crt and lcd are way different in color, and i would like to use the best match possible12:45
kwwiinixternal: if you stick to srgb you will get at least consistently poor colors :p12:46
nixternalat least with Kubuntu i can set gamma, you can't do that with gnome (ubuntu or edubuntu)12:47
kwwiinixternal: normally, you have to test things and have a good eye (or do it the right way and by a calibration instrument and software12:47
kwwiiRiddell: in the bzr repo it is only php scripts12:47
kwwiiRiddell: perhaps saving the page locally from a browser or such12:48
nixternalthose pages look good btw kwwii!12:48
Riddellkwwii: oh aye, just wget kubuntu.org12:48
nixternalis that using #6569ae as a base?12:48
kwwiinixternal: nope, that was too purple, I thought12:49
kwwiiI tried to stick to similar colors to the logo12:49
nixternalthe color you have there, is like my favorite color12:49
nixternali like that grayish-blue look12:49
nixternalim currently hooked on purple though ;)12:50
nixternali like the bottom left logo, with the top left background12:50
Riddellnixternal: yes, it might not work but would be interesting to see12:51
kwwiiseems like everyone I ask likes the glossy logo better12:51
nixternalim a sucker for the glossy look now12:51
nixternali can emulate it wiht gimp, but i suck at inkscape12:52
nixternali have all the of the glossy svg's and i mess with them trying to learn it, but i just can't do it12:52
kwwiiit is really simple, actually12:53
nixternalwell, i see how the gloss effect is achieved, i just don't know how to use inkscape12:53
kwwiilooking back at dapper, I wonder what happened to my eyes12:53
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kwwiiman, I am soo happy that edgy turned out 100x better12:53
nixternaledgy looks really good, to me dapper looked like every other kde release12:54
nixternalwe finally stand out among the other kde distros now12:54
nixternaloh well...im goin' to go pig out...bbiab ;)12:54
kwwiienjoy your feast12:55
kwwiitime for bed here...my wife leaves again tomorrow on business12:57
ryanakcanixternal: sorry, my teacher never brought his computer today...12:59
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Jucatohi bddebian :)03:18
bddebianHeya Jucato03:18
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Jucatomoin Hobbsee! :)03:23
Hobbseehey Jucato :)03:24
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Jucatore-format, re-partition, re-install... my theme of the day :)03:34
ajmitchhm, a Hobbsee 03:34
Hobbseeajmitch: indeed.03:34
Hobbseeajmitch: it's a very scary hobbsee03:34
HobbseeJucato: fun :)03:34
ajmitchand brave sir robin bravely ran away...03:35
Jucatolol :)03:35
Hobbseeajmitch: very smart, before he got attacked with the long pointy stick of DOOM03:35
JucatoHobbsee's long pointy stick of DOOM :)03:35
ajmitchI've met you, I know you're all talk :)03:35
Jucatooooooh! a challenge :)03:36
Jucatook... gotta run :)03:36
Hobbseeajmitch: oh really?  :P03:36
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Hobbseei was connected on stevenk's machine, because i know my connection is a little dodgy - then his machine completely went down :P03:56
Hobbseewell, the machine acting as the router, anyway03:56
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Jucatodist-upgrading from a fresh install of Dapper isn't that fast after all :P07:03
Hobbseeof course not07:10
JucatoOO.o is taking its time downloading :)07:10
JucatoI should have done a server install... then changed my sources.list to edgy, and installed kubuntu-desktop...07:10
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Hobbseethat can be difficult too07:11
Hobbseealthough you should be safe now07:11
Jucatohehe... my last Edgy CD is still Knot 3... and it's not working :(07:11
Hobbseemy last is knot 1 :P07:12
Jucatoheh but you're running Edgy already. :P07:12
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Hobbseehey Seveas 07:14
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Hobbseenixternal: :)10:29
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Jucatoexcuse me, is it normal that I can't upgrade to Edgy from a fresh Dapper install unless universe is enabled?10:44
Jucatooh well10:45
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HobbseeJucato: is universe enabled in your original dapper?  10:47
HobbseeJucato: and what's it dying over?10:47
Jucatovery fresh install, meaning no universe. just main and restricted. it's not dying over. but it's holding back packages when I dist-upgrade10:48
Hobbseewhat's it holding back?10:48
JucatoI enabled universe, and it's installing and upgrading some more. but still holding back some....10:48
JucatoI'd pastebin it if I could...10:48
Jucatokde-guidance, lots of python stuff, and xserver stuff...10:49
Jucato39 packages held back..10:49
JucatoI'll see if I can get into KDE10:50
apokryphosJucato: is kubuntu-desktop installed?10:50
Jucatoerr... didn't see it get removed...10:50
Jucatohold on...10:50
Jucatoit was removed, but I can't install it because of unmet dependencies on amarok, hwdb-client-kde, kde-guidance-powermanager and language-selector-qt10:52
fdovingJucato: if you want to, you can try my hackish not very nice upgrade-script. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/kupgrader-ni.sh10:53
apokryphosJucato: that was likely the reason; you should have kubuntu-desktop before dist-upgrading.10:53
Jucatoapokryphos: I didn't realize it was removed. because this is a fresh install of Dapper.10:53
Jucatoafter installing Dapper, I immediately upgraded to Edgy10:54
apokryphosnot immediately, evidently, otherwise it'd still be there =)10:54
Hobbseeany idea what kbatterymonitor is?  anyone tried it?10:54
fdovingJucato: get http://ubuntu.lnix.net/kupgrader.sh if you want a interactive version, that actually tells you what it will do, and give you a chance to cancel.10:54
Jucatofdoving: ok thanks.10:54
apokryphosHobbsee: for monitoring battery level for i.e. laptops?10:54
Jucatoapokryphos: install Dapper, reboot, logged into Kubuntu. logged out, logged into Console, used nano to edit sources.list. sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade10:55
Jucatothat's all that I did10:55
Hobbseeapokryphos: well, clearly.  i was more wondering what it was built on, and if/how it would work with the guidance stuff in kubuntu10:55
Hobbseeseeing as it's replacing the klaptopdaemon in kde410:55
apokryphosJucato: didn't install *any* packages before that?10:55
Jucatoapokryphos: I said it like it is... nothing10:56
apokryphosinteresting, I didn't know that. 10:56
fdovingJucato: note, it is not very bandwidth friendly. it will first install kubuntu-desktop in dapper (if it's not installed) and then upgprade your system to edgy.10:56
JucatoI'm installing amarok right now10:56
Jucatofdoving: oh...10:56
apokryphosI find that very curious; and doesn't make much sense, since the install has it.10:57
Jucatofdoving: I'm trying to install the unmet dependencies one by one... seems like amarok is installing now. hope the others will too10:57
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Jucatoapokryphos: which is why I'm so puzzled. I thought a fresh install has more chances of upgrading successfully10:57
apokryphosany upgrade (unless you did non-ubuntu tinkering with it) should upgrade fine *if* you have kubuntu-desktop in first10:58
fdovingJucato: this problem, and the fact that upgrading from dapper to edgy is a pain, is why i created the script. pythons packages changing name, xorg video drivers changing name.10:58
fdovingapokryphos: that is not true.10:58
apokryphosfdoving: if the packages changed their names it should still be handled by the metapackage10:59
fdovingapokryphos: well, it isn't.10:59
apokryphosfdoving: any idea why?10:59
fdovingnot really haven't investigated much. the problem is that the dapper kubuntu-desktop depends on packages the edgy kubuntu-desktop conflicts with. or something like that.11:00
Jucatoapokryphos: I'm not lying. unless the Dapper install didn't install kubuntu-desktop, I really didn't do anything that removed it.11:02
Jucatounless dist-upgrading itself removes kubuntu-desktop11:02
apokryphosJucato: I believe you =), I'm just saying it's odd11:02
fdovingdist-upgrading to edgy will remove kubuntu-desktop11:02
apokryphosfdoving: that shouldn't be a problem, unless a dist-upgrade forces the remove of kubuntu-desktop11:02
fdovingapokryphos: it does.11:02
apokryphoswhich would be a major problem, really. A plain dist-upgrade can't really be successful, 11:03
JucatoI thought you didn't11:03
Jucatounfortunately, I'm not willing to reinstall Dapper and upgrade to Edgy again for the sake of "testing it" again :P11:04
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fdovingI'm doing it in a chroot.11:04
apokryphosJucato: you could've just downloaded an edgy ISO, you know :P11:04
apokryphoscool, let me know how it goes 8)11:05
Jucatoapokryphos: if I could, I wouldn't be subjecting myself to this torture...11:05
Hobbseeapokryphos: they use the update manager, so it tends not to, i believe11:05
HobbseeJucato: why do the current ones die?11:05
apokryphosJucato: /topic11:05
apokryphosHobbsee: but a lot of people still upgrade through dist-upgrade; it's the classic example of "easiest upgrade", would be a big shame if it didn't work for this release.11:06
Jucatoapokryphos: I have no blank CD's11:06
apokryphosnot that I think there's still time to make changes; passed some time ago :P11:06
apokryphosJucato: plenty of ways to install; /msg ubotu install11:07
fdovingapokryphos: i so agree with you. about the big shame. and apparently no good solution to the problem, except installing every new package by hand, one by one.11:07
Hobbseeapokryphos: true.  it's a pity if all bugs arent fixed for release, but htat will never happen.  ditto for a whole heap of wifi cards that worked in dapper, but not edgy11:07
Jucatook, I didn't put a lot of effort into researching about a non-CD install. reason: I presumed this would work11:07
apokryphosJucato: a fair assumption11:08
apokryphosHobbsee: it's good to get the big ones though :P11:08
apokryphosa tight schedule is tough; I guess these sacrifices are going to be there11:09
Jucatoafter installing amarok manually, which installed a lot of python stuff, dist-upgrading still holds back, but installing kubuntu-desktop now installs 61 packages...11:09
Hobbseeapokryphos: true that.  everything ndiswrapper related wont work, due to them not accepting a 10 line patch.11:09
Jucatobrb while I take time to look away from my screen11:09
apokryphosJucato: cool11:09
Hobbseeapokryphos: and that patch was there about a month ago, and keybuk knew about it.11:09
apokryphosHobbsee: why, then?11:09
Hobbseeapokryphos: NFI11:10
Hobbseeapokryphos: er, wait, i do know - because he didnt want to commit a patch with only a month to release11:10
apokryphoscommits were still being made a few days ago11:10
Hobbseeapokryphos: yeah, but that one is rather drastic.  well, anything to do with nm is rather drastic11:11
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Hobbseeapokryphos: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/42504/comments/48 i think11:14
UbugtuMalone bug 42504 in wpasupplicant "Cannot associate with unencrypted networks using bcm43xx chipset (ndiswrapper driver)" [High,Confirmed]  11:14
fdovingthat's not a biggie. the bcm43xx driver is there and it works.11:17
fdovingfor everyone else, it is worse :|11:17
Hobbseeit's the rest of ndiswrapper stuff, which is also there somewhere11:17
Jucatolol wtf!?!? I didn't confirm the installation of kubuntu-desktop!11:18
Jucato5 minutes of wasted time...11:18
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Jucatomoin el! :)11:18
Jucatoafk again...11:18
elmoin Jucato :)11:20
Hobbseehey el!11:25
elhey Hobbsee :)11:26
fdovinggah.. only core-devs can checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.edgy/11:31
fdovingany core-dev that can make a tar.gz out of it form me? 11:33
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sivangmhb: I was used to using plain console IRSSI11:46
sivangRiddell: I am mostly used to irssi so konversation looks like the future ;)11:47
Hobbseesivang: :D  it is the future!11:48
sivangHobbsee: indeed :)11:53
sivangHobbsee: How are you doing ?11:53
Hobbseesivang: good :)11:54
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Jucatostrange... I can manually apt-get install the packages that are being held back in dist-upgrade12:04
Jucatolooks like doing aptitude dist-upgrade solves it...12:05
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sivangJucato: that's a known feature. When smart upgrade refuses to upgrade packages, you can always override it by explicitly apt-get install 12:11
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Jucatoah at last... Edgy :)12:23
JucatoHobbsee, fdoving: finally got it to updgrade fully12:23
fdovingJucato: good. now do you know what to say when people ask how to upgrade from dapper to edgy? :)12:23
Jucatofdoving: not really, coz I didn't even know what was wrong :)12:24
JucatoI'm not sure if enabling universe did the trick lol12:24
Jucatoin the end, using aptitude dist-upgrade upgraded the held back packages...12:25
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sivangRiddell: looking inside the kmplayer's 'admin' dir, I found there a file - 'debianrules'. I thought this folder is from the prestine source, or does KDE include stuff for a couple of distros to help them redistribute ?12:38
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JucatoHobbsee: excuse me, do you happen to know where the "Launch Feedback" settings have been relocated in Dapper?12:49
fdovingJucato: it's not in system settings. i use settings:/ to locate it.12:50
Jucatofdoving: yes I know. it's still in KControl. I thought that the modules that have been removed from System Settings are those that could probably be accessed somewhere else12:50
Jucato(somewhere else besides settings:/ and KControl)12:51
fdovingi don't know what the policy about system settings stuff is.12:51
Jucatohm.. then that user's comment about Launch Feedback disappearing is valid...12:53
fdovingit is.12:56
fdovingi think the advanced button in system settings should load kcontrol embedded.12:57
JucatoI'm feeling a bit edgy now, really....12:57
Riddellsivang: debianrules is from KDE12:59
Jucatooh well, too late to be asking questions I suppose...01:00
sivangRiddell: I see, cool01:02
sivangRiddell: didn't know they were so recognizing of their client distributions ;)01:03
HobbseeJucato: nope.  system settings, advanced would be my guess01:05
JucatoHobbsee: not there... thanks anyway01:05
JucatoDuplicate "Default KOrganizer Resource" in Kontact (Edgy), is this a known bug?01:17
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Tonio_hi there01:49
Tonio_Lure: I included your debdiff to my packages for feisty in order to avoid multiple uploads and conflicts once I'll add the multimedia stuff01:49
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LureTonio_: which debdiff?01:50
Tonio_for bug 6788901:50
Tonio_ubugtu ?01:50
LureTonio_: that one should go to edgy-updated first (if mdz approves it)01:50
UbugtuMalone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6788901:51
Tonio_Lure: yes that's what I said in the comments01:51
LureTonio_: what is the status if Sime's patches - are they ready for edgy-updates at least?01:51
Tonio_we should provide a package update for edgy and I'll prepare the package for feisty01:51
Tonio_Lure: nope I don't think so01:51
Tonio_Lure: the problem with Sime's patches is that they cause an issue with a konqueror bug01:52
Tonio_and to avoid the konqueror bug I need to perform several updates (kdelibs, kdebase, kds)01:52
Tonio_so at the moment, edgy only includes the old version of sime's patches....01:52
Tonio_that's not Sime's fault, but konqueror fault01:52
LureTonio_: ok, fair enough - it is not that critical bug anyhow01:53
Tonio_Lure: nope :)01:53
Tonio_Lure: so I'll keep packages with your debdiff on my repo waiting for feisty to come01:53
Tonio_Lure: the package will probably go in security no ?01:53
Tonio_or backport ?01:53
LureTonio_: edy-updates I think01:54
LureTonio_: edgy-updates actually, but Riddell need to discuss with mdz first01:54
Tonio_Lure: okay :)01:55
Tonio_what to perform if "sudo rm -rf" complains "operation not permitted " ?01:56
fdovingwhat is it you're trying to delete? 02:02
Riddellwork out if sudo is complaining or rm02:03
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JucatoTonio_: I just noticed something with the No MP3 Support script in Amarok. If you say "No", it will still proceed with the script. Then if you Cancel the dialog box asking for your password (to enable multiverse), it will say that MP3 Support is now installed  02:09
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Tonio___Riddell: recovery mode helped, thanks02:15
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Jucatogah... you were away when I asked something :)02:15
Tonio_Jucato: me ?02:16
Jucatoyes :)02:16
JucatoTonio_: I just noticed something with the No MP3 Support script in Amarok. If you say "No", it will still proceed with the script. Then if you Cancel the dialog box asking for your password (to enable multiverse), it will say that MP3 Support is now installed  02:16
Tonio_Jucato: hu ?????,02:17
Tonio_let me look at the script02:17
Riddellthat would be a problem in amarok02:18
JucatoI'm not 100% confident with this Edgy install, though... went through a few hiccups earlier (upgraded from a fresh Dapper install...)02:18
Tonio_kdialog --yesno "Do you want to enable restricted software from multiverse?"02:18
Tonio_Jucato: should respect the yes/no answer02:18
fdovingwhere is the script located? 02:19
JucatoI'll test it again from a real install of Edgy tomorrow...02:19
Tonio_fdoving: /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp302:19
Tonio_Jucato: bah maybe the script is wrong, I don't know, but I tested it widelly and I don't remember that issue02:19
JucatoTonio_: I also don't remember encountering this when I tested it the first time it came out02:20
Tonio_Jucato: hum, Riddell's version or mine ?02:21
Tonio_Jucato: cause I rewrote the patch02:21
Tonio_Jucato: okay02:21
Tonio_Jucato: I didn't touch it since then, I only worked once on it02:21
Tonio_so maybe someone changed it I don't know, need to watch at the changelog02:21
Jucatoheh maybe it's  just my fscked up install :)02:22
Tonio_Jucato: looks like imbrandon and Riddell touched it....02:22
Tonio_well we'll test02:22
Tonio_Jucato: I'm not there today, but I'll test tomorrow02:23
Jucatook great :)02:24
JucatoTonio_: btw, who else can I ask about KubuntuKDEMedia stuff? use case actually02:25
Jucato(don't want to bother you with it heheh)02:25
Tonio_Jucato: Sime ;)02:26
Jucatook. thanks! hope he's around02:26
Tonio_Jucato: I can confirm the issue02:28
Tonio_Jucato: ah !02:28
Tonio_that's amarok issue, not script :)02:28
Tonio_the dialog that has the problem is amarok's dialog, not script dialog02:29
Jucatooh :)02:29
Tonio_Riddell: you're right on that point02:29
Tonio_Jucato: amarok launches the script whatever you respond02:29
Tonio_here is the issue02:29
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fdovingthat script is hard to read. :|02:30
Jucatosilly Amarok not knowing when you mean "No" :P02:31
Tonio_Jucato: yup, you should report an amarok bug on launchpad02:31
Jucatowill do :)02:31
Riddellthat won't do much good, it needs to go upstream02:31
Riddelldear amarok:, no means no02:32
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Tonio___grmpf....... my internet connection sucks02:39
Tonio___or is that freenode ?02:39
lexualRiddell: Hi, are you about?02:39
Riddellhi lexual 02:39
lexualI've just come across a strange bug with a amd64 beta install02:40
lexualnot sure which package to file bug against.02:40
lexualhappened with live cd, and when system came up. Keyboard was not responding at all. hit Ctl+Alt+F1 and everything was OK.02:41
lexualhit Ctl+Alt+F7 again and keyboard was working fine.02:41
Riddelllexual: that's a known problem and has been fixed, although if you could test today's dailys to confirm that would be cool02:41
lexualRiddell: ace.02:41
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lexualI'll try a daily tomorrow if I have some time.02:42
JucatoRiddell: is it also Amarok's bug that "MP3 support now installed" appears even if you choose Cancel in the dialog box asking for your password?02:42
lexualwhat's the url for dailies?02:42
RiddellJucato: no, that's us02:43
Riddelllexual: cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live02:43
Jucatoah :)02:43
Jucatoso just the "No" part?02:43
Riddelllexual: or rsync with the url on KubuntuFiles wiki page against the beta02:43
RiddellJucato: correct02:43
lexualRiddell: no idea how to do the rsync one.02:44
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lexualnot sure if anyone listens to linux action podcast, but kubuntu got a nice little plug from aseigo saying how he's moved from suse to kubuntu.02:48
Jucatoooh nice :)02:49
imbrandonmoins fellas02:50
Jucatohi imbrandon :)02:51
imbrandonheya Jucato02:51
imbrandonwow looks like i made sabdfl's blog /me blushes02:52
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Hobbseeimbrandon: and nixternal's too03:01
Hobbseehey lexual 03:01
imbrandonheya Hobbsee03:01
imbrandonnixternal's too? i dident see that one yet03:02
imbrandonahh yea i did there too , wow :) today looks to be a good day ( leaste for my ego ) and you too Hobbsee ;)03:03
imbrandonheya nixternal03:03
nixternalwth are you doing up this early ;)03:03
nixternali guess i should ask myself that same question03:03
Hobbseeimbrandon: yep03:03
JucatoRiddell, Tonio_: kde bug 136294 hope I wrote it right... :(03:03
UbugtuKDE bug 136294 in general "Amarok dialog doesn't honor "No" and still runs script" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13629403:03
nixternalhiya Hobbsee!03:04
imbrandonnixternal, heh i had a job interview yesterday so i'm on a diffrent sleep schedule03:04
imbrandoni just woke up03:04
imbrandonnot so much, i declined the job ( even though they gave it to me )03:04
nixternali enjoy doing that at times03:05
imbrandonit was for a Solaris Admin job ( that i know absolutely nothing about other than its Unix like )03:05
imbrandonso i told them no thanks ( *sobs* )03:05
Jucatoimbrandon: art-staging.ubuntu.com is your project?03:07
nixternalsounds like a job i did recently03:07
nixternalthat is why i miss working in the sun office here in chicago...i wish they would have never closed that office03:08
imbrandonJucato, yea03:08
sivangimbrandon: you are damn lucky to not have accepted it, I used to work with Solaris a bit, it's a pain :)03:08
imbrandonJucato, actualy art.ubuntu.com is but thats the staging area :)03:08
Jucatoimbrandon: so you're responsible for both those sites? great work!! :)03:09
nixternalforget sys admin jobs..the money is with system analysis positions03:09
Jucatoer... Edgy question: duplicate "Default KOrganizer Resource" in Kontact. is this a known bug?03:11
Jucatooh bug 6473803:12
UbugtuMalone bug 64738 in kdepim "New To-dos are duplicated. (duplicate resources entries)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6473803:12
Jucatojust going to confirm it then....03:13
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Jucatoimbrandon: is there an ETA for Edgy release? (so I could estimate in my local timezone)03:25
imbrandonumm 26th ? as far as a time , i have no idea03:27
Jucatoah ok :)03:28
Jucatodoes anyone know where to find the "Launch Feedback" settings in Edgy? (aside from settings:/ and KControl, of course)03:29
Hobbsee  Jucato kcontrol :)03:33
Jucatolol :)03:33
imbrandonor right click on the icon and edit it03:34
Jucatoimbrandon: no for controlling them: turn them off, change the type of busy cursor, taskbar notification, etc03:35
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jeroenvrpthe kcontrol display module is that part of kdeguidance?03:47
jeroenvrpok thanks03:48
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Jucatohi bddebian03:51
bddebianHeya Jucato03:51
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JucatoI thought all first run wizards were removed?03:56
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Riddellall new CDs to be testing05:07
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Test the all new CD candidates! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
imbrandoni have them rsyncing now05:10
imbrandonheya Riddell05:10
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fdovingRiddell: have you done any testing on the steps needed to successfully and completely update dapper to edgy?05:19
Riddellfdoving: yes, it's patchy I know05:20
fdovingRiddell: i know too, but i think i may have found the most painless way.. atleast the most painless so far.05:20
Riddellwhat's that?05:21
fdovingfirst edit sources.list, then apt-get update, then, the importan part: manually install 'hpijs kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager upstart kubuntu-desktop xorg x11-common xserver-xorg' and then 'dist-upgrade'.05:22
fdovingthat will leave you with just the python packages held back.05:22
fdovingwhich is pretty good compared to what you get if you just run 'apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade' after changing sources.list to edgy.05:23
imbrandonok time to head to the trade show and pimp kubuntu ( along with giving away 200cd's ) see yall in an hour or two05:23
fdovingimbrandon: enjoy :)05:23
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Riddellnixternal: how's the release announcement page?05:38
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nixternalit will be done today05:41
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fdovingif someone is up for it, testers for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade (i've done some testing in a dapper pbuilder chroot, installing kubuntu-desktop and upgrading to edgy, i think this is the most painless way.)07:29
fdovingare welcome.07:29
Riddellecho 'Yes, do as I say!'  erk?  what needs that?07:31
fdovingreplacing sysvinit with upstart07:32
fdovingsysvinit is essential.. that's why.07:32
Riddellupgrade tool a definate high priority for fiesty07:32
fdovingif it's done in a dist-upgrade it doesn't prompt for this. but if it's done with 'apt-get install upstart' it is needed.07:32
Riddellfdoving: so why not do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade?07:33
fdovingI have a bash script that does much about what i've put on that page.07:33
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fdovingRiddell: because the specially selected packages needs to be updated first, for a dist-upgrade to be successfull.07:34
fdovinginstalling/upgrading those packages before running the actual dist-upgrade makes the whole process smoother.07:35
fdovingso instead of fixing the mess after a dist-upgrade has upgraded half of the pacakges, and figure out what package needs to be installed manually to get the rest updated, I install the packages needed to make the dist-upgrade upgrade the rest.07:36
HawkwindOnce I get the Edgy final ISO tomorrow I'm wanting to attempt an upgrade on this(my main) box and see if it works.  I'd love to not have to reinstall if I can help it07:36
Riddellfdoving: thanks for this, I'll try and to some testing tonight07:37
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apokryphosah, guess I can test another install07:37
apokryphosRiddell: should I do a dvd or cd? 32 or 64bit I guess07:37
fdovingRiddell: the most evil thing in the process is step 6. where i try to install all held back packages (as reported by apt-get -u dist-upgrade), That is not a elegant solution.07:39
Riddellapokryphos: fill in any gaps you can on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current07:40
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Riddelland any duplicate results are very welcome too07:51
abattoirRiddell: will new images be built tomorrow as well? if all goes well with the current ones?07:53
Riddellabattoir: no, these are expected to be final07:54
abattoirgreat, thanks07:54
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apokryphosfdoving: sorry to ask, but any chance you could upload an image again to your server? 8)08:06
apokryphosso odd, again I'm getting 20 kb/s speeds08:07
fdovingsure, i can rsync the old one, if you need amd64? 08:08
apokryphosfdoving: the one here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/edgy-dvd-amd64.iso08:08
fdovingdownloading.. it's slow here too.. ~300kb/s08:11
fdovingis the torrent tracker up? 08:11
apokryphosnot on the one I tried yesterday at least08:11
apokryphosno worries about the time if that's ok, I'll be around for a bit08:11
fdovingit'll be at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/rc/ you'll see the size increasing.08:12
apokryphosok, thanks 8). I'll check back later08:12
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nixternalRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release08:37
nixternallook that over08:37
nixternalit isn't done, but that is what im working with, and then i will create the php file from that for you08:38
nixternali lost my screenshots, so im doing those now08:38
Riddellnixternal: I'd put a paragraph about the install options before the download link08:41
Riddellnixternal: for What's New, most of the stuff listed isn't new, we want KDE 3.5.5, power management, laptop buttons, HWDB client, accessibility profiles, zeroconf/printer sharing, systemsettings, winfoss08:43
Riddellfor server and under the hood see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyAnnouncement08:44
Riddellah, you have a space for download details08:44
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fdovingnixternal: "Adept, a package management tool for Kubuntu, makes installing software, removing software, and keeping software up-to-date." s/makes// ?  08:46
Riddellthere's nothing new in adept, I'd get rid of that08:47
Riddellkeep digikam08:47
Riddellbut emphasise that it's new on the CD08:47
fdovingfor netboot, kubuntu.seed should be hosted on kubuntu.org somewhere.. for people like me who like to remember usefull urls like that kubuntu.org/edgy.seed would be nice, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/data/dapper/preseed/kubuntu/kubuntu.seed is a bit long08:50
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fdoving(or something similar.. of course)08:50
Riddellfdoving: actually you don't need that any more, it asks you which ubuntu variant you want08:53
fdovingRiddell: ah, nice. :)08:53
nixternalahh, you guys did exactly what i wanted you too...groom the page ;)08:57
kwwiihowdy Riddell, the website is almost done (although testing it by copying the html per wget or such does not work)09:00
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nixternalRiddell: now take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release09:03
nixternali have groomed it09:03
nixternali am probably just going to start editing the php file locally then, and then email it to you09:03
Riddellcareful, Tony Blair has made internet grooming illegal you know09:03
Riddellmost of the images needed can probably be taken from previous release wiki pages09:05
nixternalya, the only ones that will be new will be for KDE, System Settings, and the Winfoss09:06
apokryphosfdoving: hey, has the download stopped?09:11
fdovingapokryphos: hmm.. no it's just slow. ~16009:15
Riddellkubuntu.org actually looks correct in IE 7, yay09:23
fdovinghuh.. isn't apache in ubuntu buildt with LFS ? 09:29
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tomaLeeJunFan: your quit message is quite dangerous09:59
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Luretoma: he is missing sudo ;-)10:01
LeeJunFanhehe, I forgot that was even in there.10:01
LeeJunFanmaybe I should change it to hda1, then it's likely only to wipe out windows, as people who have only linux are going to know enough not to do it :)10:02
tomaor hda3410:02
Lureanybody else having problems with OOo printers - bug 6825610:04
UbugtuMalone bug 68256 in openoffice.org "Openoffice doesn't see remote cups printers, just generic printer" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6825610:04
nixternalNEEDED:  Power Manager snapshot, default desktop, default kicker, default everything - 1024x768 - kicker icon, kicker tooltip, power manager window, 3 screenshots10:14
fdovingI can probably help you with some of that.10:15
nixternallaptop buttons too? ;)10:16
nixternallike the volume up/down/mute10:16
fdovinghmm.. maybe.10:16
LeeJunFantoma: okay, new quit message = wth does sudo echo "reboot">/etc/rc.local do?10:17
tomaLeeJunFan: ;-) strange kind of humor 10:17
LureLeeJunFan: permission denied?10:17
LeeJunFanLure: that's right!10:18
LeeJunFanso it's benign10:18
fdovingapokryphos: apache2 in ubuntu doesn't support large files, so the url has changed, it will be at http://edge.lnix.net/~frode/misc/rc/ when downloaded. though cdimage.ubuntu.com is very slow today.10:22
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MezRiddell, not yet10:25
Riddellmm, that's not good10:26
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ryanakcaMez: is that php/apache?10:33
beligumHi all, anyone care to review ScreenKast (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3140) and libinstrudeo (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3125)) ??10:34
ryanakcaooh, you got it packaged for feisty (I think that's what it'll be called)10:37
RiddellI'm yet to work out if i is before e without a c10:38
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ryanakcai before e except after c... ?10:39
ryanakcaooh, I see... I'll look f(ie/ei)sty up in the dictionnary10:40
HawkwindRemember, there's always an exception to every rule, even the rule of i before e except after c :P10:40
HawkwindHence the reason why it's feisty and fiery10:41
kwwiiRiddell: I think I have the files ready for the website10:43
ryanakcaodd... feisty isn't in the Collins English Dictionnary and Thesaurus... nor is fiesty... fiesta, followed by FIFA... feint followed by feldspar10:44
kwwii(ie I have no way of testing them, as the whole title-bar thing is done with php and does not come through in the html from wget or such)10:44
kwwii7 pics and 2 text files10:45
kwwiianyone else know how to test changes to the website?10:45
mikelook it up at oed.com which is the only real 'english' dictionary... many others are 'american'10:46
ryanakca"This is an Americanism which is gaining ground in British and Australian English." ah... that explains why it isn't in a british dictionnary ;)10:46
kwwiiRiddell: how do you want me to give them to you?10:47
ryanakcamike: you need to subscribe to use "OED online"10:48
Mezryanakca, yes, it is apoache10:49
mikeunless you have one through uni, n/m10:49
mikecan try dict.org10:49
ryanakcaMez: kk10:49
ryanakcamike: ^^ "This is an americanism..."10:50
Mezryanakca, I'm having problems getting sub domain Rewrites to not loop10:50
kwwiiRiddell: for now I least put them on http://sinecera.de/new_kubuntu_web_files.tar.gz (note that all the pics go in the ./images dir)10:50
imbrandon_kwwii: heya , mark announced the art site a bit early on me so i put another theme up and put a call for testers out heh, if you anna goof with it later feel free10:50
ryanakcaMez: lost me :)10:51
ryanakcaMez: The most I know is that it's apache related... tried in #apache ?10:51
kwwiiimbrandon_: not so sure that will attract too many kde artists10:51
kwwiibut I understand10:51
mike"For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips." is noaccurate. even their 64 bit chips do not require the 64 bit version.10:52
imbrandon_kwwii: yea it needs a bit of love, but i had to do something, mark and newzum wanted more "ubuntu"10:52
imbrandon_but its still open for changes10:52
mike(from the daily build dvd page)10:52
imbrandon_mike: howso ?10:53
kwwiiwell, the underlying problem might be that not too many K* people end up looking at U* websites, especially artwork10:53
kwwiiI think we discuss the edgy theme more on #kde-artists as we did on #ubuntu-artwork10:54
imbrandon_kwwii: yea when it go's live i was gonna poke Riddell to make a art.kubuntu.org alias for it10:54
kwwiia very good idea10:54
mikeimbrandon_: you can run an i386 image on an amd64. basically, an amd64 image is not NECESSARY for ANY amd chip.10:54
imbrandon_Riddell: infact if you have time to doso that would be nice10:55
Mezryanakca, tried :P10:55
imbrandon_mike: and it says its not nessesary :P10:55
ryanakcaMez: lol... hmm... no clue...10:55
fdovingnixternal: i'm sorry, but i just realized that screenshots doesn't look good when taken from a NX session. things doesn't look 100% like the real thing.. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/edgy-ss/ tell me if they are useable.. 10:55
mike" only their 64 bit chips" which is not true10:55
imbrandon_it is for computers based on those chips , it dosent says its nessesary for them10:56
imbrandon_read the first sentance without the e.g again10:56
mikethe sentece is quite confusing. since necessary is the main part of the sentence, then goes all, most, and only... 10:57
nixternaladded images Riddell for you to review..those are the thumbnails there10:57
mikeanyway, whatever10:57
imbrandon_mike: sure , i would sugest then rewrod it to something you feel more approperate and file a bug against ubuntu-website in Launchpad.net10:58
nixternalfdoving: i need the screenies of the Power Management application10:58
fdovingnixternal: ah.. then i missunderstood. sorry :|10:59
Riddellnixternal: URL?10:59
Riddellimbrandon_: I can't make kubuntu.org aliases, only sysadmin can10:59
imbrandon_Riddell: okies10:59
mikeedgy-dvd-amd64.iso is also ambiguous (b/c it could be ubuntu, not kubuntu)11:00
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Riddellnixternal: images look good, missing some text still :)11:00
nixternalmike: if you download from the kubuntu page, it will be kubuntu, you download from the ubuntu page it will be ubuntu, and so forth11:00
nixternalharhar Riddell ;)11:01
mikei know, but on my hd they're both edgy... whatever again.11:01
nixternalwell, when you open either k3b or gnomebaker, they tell you which one is which11:02
beligumRiddell: Any chance to get it in Feisty ?11:02
beligum(ScreenKast that is)11:02
nixternali ahve 4 of those iso's currently11:02
nixternalso i know11:02
imbrandon_thats one reason it ask you for a filename when you save it ;)11:02
Riddellbeligum: I certainly hope so, just keep poking us over the next 6 months until it happens11:02
beligumRiddell: lol, sounds great11:03
beligumOk, I'm off, thanks for the advice11:03
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mhbRiddell: no need to test dailies anymore?11:07
Riddellmhb: plenty!11:07
mhbRiddell: I had school today, so I just downloaded it in the morning11:07
Riddellrsync them11:08
mhbRiddell: good to hear11:08
kwwiiRiddell: so, if I made a branch of the web stuff, how do I commit it now?11:09
Riddellkwwii: push it to launchpad then I can merge it on the web server11:11
Riddellbzr push sftp://<username>@bazaar.launchpad.net/<username>/kubuntu-website/<branchname>  is the URL I think11:11
nixternalRiddell: Accessibility Profiles, definition wise would be the same as ICC Profiles, and not a User Profile correct?, however it looks like it deals with a user profile11:12
Riddellnixternal: well it sets user settings11:12
nixternalok, so it is for a computer that would have multiple users with handicaps?11:13
mhbRiddell: so Edgy get released in less than 24hours,11:15
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Hawkwindmhb: Probably less than 12 actually if it follows the previous releases11:17
mhbHawkwind: thanks11:17
mhbI should prepare some docs for the Czech Kubuntu website11:17
mhbkwwii: those changes you made to the website design ... will they be applied today?11:18
kwwiimhb: not sure11:18
fdovingRiddell: did you test the upgrade process? We should update the kubuntu section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades to something that works.11:19
nixternalsomebody write me a 2 sentences about "Accessibility Profiles" as I am drawing a huge blank11:21
jdongfdoving: (1) install upgrade manager (2) follow ubuntu instructions? ;-)11:21
fdovingjdong: no, http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade11:22
mhbfdoving: does it work?11:23
jdongfdoving: holy mother of crap11:23
jdonghow come I like my instructions better?11:23
fdovingmhb: all my tests indicates that, yes.11:24
jdongI'd rather pull in some GTK and python than play with that :D11:24
mhbfdoving: if I won't fall asleep I'll test it11:24
fdovingmhb: great :)11:24
mhbfdoving: don't11:24
mhbfdoving: (don't fall asleep)11:24
fdovingi'll have to go to bed in ~1h11:25
kwwiiRiddell: erm what is this trying to tell me?11:25
kwwiibzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/~kwwii/kubuntu-website/kwwii/.bzr/revision-history': [Errno 2]  /~kwwii/kubuntu-website/kwwii/.bzr/revision-history11:25
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kwwiitrying with a different branchname11:28
kwwii bazaar.launchpad.net/~kwwii/kubuntu-website/webtest worked fine11:34
nixternalkwwii: did you checkout, or branch when you did it?11:34
nixternalkwwii: did you just add the directory kwwii to the kubuntu-website/ ?11:35
nixternalif so, you need to 11:35
kwwiinixternal: I branched11:35
nixternalbzr add kubuntu-website/kwwi11:35
nixternaland then try to commit11:35
kwwiinixternal: I think the connection broke while I was doing it the first time, now it worked find11:36
nixternalthat is telling you either the kwwii directory isn't under revision, or....exactly what you just said ;)11:36
nixternalit goofed during the initial branch and broke that section11:36
kwwiiwith the other branchname it seems to work11:36
Riddellnixternal: you don't need to do that any more11:36
Riddellfdoving: doing it now11:37
nixternaldon't need to ?  bzr add?11:37
fdovingRiddell: great.11:37
Riddellnixternal: correct11:39
nixternalahh..didn't know that, thanks11:39
kwwiiRiddell: basically, I changed 7 pics and changed colors in two files (one css file and one php file)11:39
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kwwiiI guess now you want a release pic :p11:40
ryanakcaWhat time is Edgy released? (UTC)... I'm wondering if it's worth testing a CD when I get back from bagpipes... (~3 hours from now...)11:43
Riddellkwwii: yes please :)11:43
kwwiiRiddell: is the release really at 0:00 tonight?11:44
mhbI'm rsyncing for 10 minutes now ... is it normal?11:44
mhbI hope it's not downloading the whole thing again11:45
Riddellkwwii: no11:45
Riddellkwwii: about 12UTC11:45
Riddellmhb: if there's a few other people rsyncing at the same time it gets very slow11:45
kwwiiRiddell: I started to make a release pic which says "Kubuntu 6.10" in the same style as the new logo...sound good, or should I do something else?11:46
nixternalok everyone, i need big time help here...im heading to school now, and i will work a little from there i hope...but here is what i need...go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release and make fixes where needed. I need a good write up for the "Accessibiltiy Profiles", and if possible, I need images for Laptop Buttons and Power Management11:46
nixternali will cya in a bit11:46
ryanakcakk, I'll try to do something about that in a bit...11:47
nixternalthanks bro!!!11:48
nixternali needed that... Riddell, I will have a php file ready for you tonight, but you might be in bed, is there anyone else who can upload, or will you be awake tomorrow before release?11:49
Riddellkwwii: sounds great11:49
Riddellnixternal: I'll do it tomorrow as we release11:50
nixternalok, so i will email it to you, message you a link, and .... whatever else you can think of ;)11:50
kwwiiRiddell: when we decide to put the new web stuff online, I should be immediately available to fix any problems11:54
Riddellkwwii: was trying to play with it now but I'm doing something wrong11:55
kwwiierm, looks exactly the same as the old one11:56
kwwiinone of the changes appear11:57
Riddellthat's the problem11:57
Riddellah, fixed it11:58
Riddelllooks great, except for the white band at the top11:59
mhbkwwii: nice11:59
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, I think you are right and I will fix that, alhtough I did it on purpose12:00
kwwiiRiddell: the css colors are not coming though though12:00
kwwiithis is what I hate about php12:00
kwwiiand I need to add more of a bottom edge to the title graphics so that the shadow effect shows more12:01
kwwiibut the tabs, the hardest part to guess at, look pretty good12:02
kwwiiso I fscked all the easy things12:02
kwwiiand did a nice job on the hard stuff12:02
Hawkwindkwwii: That looks really good.  Damn great job.  I love those tabs12:03
fdovingapokryphos: download finished.12:03
kwwiiHawkwind: unfortunately the tabs are the only good parts :p12:04

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