[12:23] <apokryphos> install went great, everything's good apart from evil arts again
[12:39] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/new_kubuntu_web_alltogethernow.png
[12:39] <kwwii> ideas?
[12:41] <Riddell> kwwii: mmm
[12:41] <Riddell> looks yummy
[12:42] <Riddell> kwwii: I like bottom left
[12:43] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, I will work on that one (cutting up the pics)...do you know if there is a way to test this?
[12:44] <Riddell> in a web browser?
[12:44] <Lure> kwwii: bottom left is the best
[12:44] <Riddell> not sure what you mean
[12:44] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, in a browser, I mean
[12:45] <Riddell> kwwii: well put the images into the HTML and voila
[12:45] <nixternal> hey kwwii, you wouldn't happen to know the best icc profile to use for color here...my crt and lcd are way different in color, and i would like to use the best match possible
[12:46] <kwwii> nixternal: if you stick to srgb you will get at least consistently poor colors :p
[12:46] <nixternal> heh
[12:47] <nixternal> at least with Kubuntu i can set gamma, you can't do that with gnome (ubuntu or edubuntu)
[12:47] <kwwii> nixternal: normally, you have to test things and have a good eye (or do it the right way and by a calibration instrument and software
[12:47] <nixternal> yay
[12:47] <kwwii> Riddell: in the bzr repo it is only php scripts
[12:48] <kwwii> Riddell: perhaps saving the page locally from a browser or such
[12:48] <nixternal> those pages look good btw kwwii!
[12:48] <Riddell> kwwii: oh aye, just wget kubuntu.org
[12:48] <nixternal> is that using #6569ae as a base?
[12:49] <kwwii> nixternal: nope, that was too purple, I thought
[12:49] <kwwii> I tried to stick to similar colors to the logo
[12:49] <nixternal> the color you have there, is like my favorite color
[12:49] <kwwii> lol
[12:49] <nixternal> i like that grayish-blue look
[12:50] <nixternal> im currently hooked on purple though ;)
[12:50] <kwwii> hehe
[12:50] <nixternal> i like the bottom left logo, with the top left background
[12:51] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, it might not work but would be interesting to see
[12:51] <kwwii> seems like everyone I ask likes the glossy logo better
[12:51] <nixternal> im a sucker for the glossy look now
[12:52] <nixternal> i can emulate it wiht gimp, but i suck at inkscape
[12:52] <nixternal> i have all the of the glossy svg's and i mess with them trying to learn it, but i just can't do it
[12:52] <kwwii> hehe
[12:53] <kwwii> it is really simple, actually
[12:53] <nixternal> well, i see how the gloss effect is achieved, i just don't know how to use inkscape
[12:53] <kwwii> looking back at dapper, I wonder what happened to my eyes
[12:53] <nixternal> lol
[12:53] <kwwii> man, I am soo happy that edgy turned out 100x better
[12:53] <nixternal> +1
[12:54] <nixternal> edgy looks really good, to me dapper looked like every other kde release
[12:54] <nixternal> we finally stand out among the other kde distros now
[12:54] <nixternal> oh well...im goin' to go pig out...bbiab ;)
[12:55] <kwwii> enjoy your feast
[12:57] <kwwii> time for bed here...my wife leaves again tomorrow on business
[12:57] <kwwii> :-(
[12:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: sorry, my teacher never brought his computer today...
[01:01] <fdoving> gnite
[03:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:18] <Jucato> hi bddebian :)
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:23] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato :)
[03:34] <Jucato> re-format, re-partition, re-install... my theme of the day :)
[03:34] <ajmitch> hm, a Hobbsee 
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's a very scary hobbsee
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: fun :)
[03:34] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:35] <ajmitch> and brave sir robin bravely ran away...
[03:35] <Jucato> lol :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very smart, before he got attacked with the long pointy stick of DOOM
[03:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee's long pointy stick of DOOM :)
[03:35] <ajmitch> I've met you, I know you're all talk :)
[03:36] <Jucato> oooooh! a challenge :)
[03:36] <Jucato> ok... gotta run :)
[03:36] <Jucato> bye
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: oh really?  :P
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i must have just been feeling nice
[03:39] <ajmitch> nah
[03:55] <Hobbsee> grrr.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i was connected on stevenk's machine, because i know my connection is a little dodgy - then his machine completely went down :P
[03:56] <Hobbsee> well, the machine acting as the router, anyway
[07:03] <Jucato> dist-upgrading from a fresh install of Dapper isn't that fast after all :P
[07:10] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:10] <Hobbsee> of course not
[07:10] <Jucato> OO.o is taking its time downloading :)
[07:10] <Jucato> I should have done a server install... then changed my sources.list to edgy, and installed kubuntu-desktop...
[07:11] <Hobbsee> that can be difficult too
[07:11] <Hobbsee> although you should be safe now
[07:11] <Jucato> hehe... my last Edgy CD is still Knot 3... and it's not working :(
[07:12] <Hobbsee> my last is knot 1 :P
[07:12] <Jucato> heh but you're running Edgy already. :P
[07:12] <Hobbsee> true
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hey Seveas 
[07:15] <Seveas> ola
[10:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[10:44] <Jucato> excuse me, is it normal that I can't upgrade to Edgy from a fresh Dapper install unless universe is enabled?
[10:45] <Jucato> oh well
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: is universe enabled in your original dapper?  
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and what's it dying over?
[10:48] <Jucato> very fresh install, meaning no universe. just main and restricted. it's not dying over. but it's holding back packages when I dist-upgrade
[10:48] <Hobbsee> what's it holding back?
[10:48] <Jucato> I enabled universe, and it's installing and upgrading some more. but still holding back some....
[10:48] <Jucato> I'd pastebin it if I could...
[10:49] <Jucato> kde-guidance, lots of python stuff, and xserver stuff...
[10:49] <Jucato> 39 packages held back..
[10:50] <Jucato> I'll see if I can get into KDE
[10:50] <apokryphos> Jucato: is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:50] <Jucato> err... didn't see it get removed...
[10:50] <Jucato> hold on...
[10:52] <Jucato> it was removed, but I can't install it because of unmet dependencies on amarok, hwdb-client-kde, kde-guidance-powermanager and language-selector-qt
[10:53] <fdoving> Jucato: if you want to, you can try my hackish not very nice upgrade-script. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/kupgrader-ni.sh
[10:53] <apokryphos> Jucato: that was likely the reason; you should have kubuntu-desktop before dist-upgrading.
[10:53] <Jucato> apokryphos: I didn't realize it was removed. because this is a fresh install of Dapper.
[10:54] <Jucato> after installing Dapper, I immediately upgraded to Edgy
[10:54] <apokryphos> not immediately, evidently, otherwise it'd still be there =)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> any idea what kbatterymonitor is?  anyone tried it?
[10:54] <fdoving> Jucato: get http://ubuntu.lnix.net/kupgrader.sh if you want a interactive version, that actually tells you what it will do, and give you a chance to cancel.
[10:54] <Jucato> fdoving: ok thanks.
[10:54] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: for monitoring battery level for i.e. laptops?
[10:55] <Jucato> apokryphos: install Dapper, reboot, logged into Kubuntu. logged out, logged into Console, used nano to edit sources.list. sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:55] <Jucato> that's all that I did
[10:55] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: well, clearly.  i was more wondering what it was built on, and if/how it would work with the guidance stuff in kubuntu
[10:55] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's replacing the klaptopdaemon in kde4
[10:55] <apokryphos> Jucato: didn't install *any* packages before that?
[10:56] <Jucato> apokryphos: I said it like it is... nothing
[10:56] <apokryphos> interesting, I didn't know that. 
[10:56] <fdoving> Jucato: note, it is not very bandwidth friendly. it will first install kubuntu-desktop in dapper (if it's not installed) and then upgprade your system to edgy.
[10:56] <Jucato> I'm installing amarok right now
[10:56] <Jucato> fdoving: oh...
[10:57] <apokryphos> I find that very curious; and doesn't make much sense, since the install has it.
[10:57] <Jucato> fdoving: I'm trying to install the unmet dependencies one by one... seems like amarok is installing now. hope the others will too
[10:57] <Jucato> apokryphos: which is why I'm so puzzled. I thought a fresh install has more chances of upgrading successfully
[10:58] <apokryphos> any upgrade (unless you did non-ubuntu tinkering with it) should upgrade fine *if* you have kubuntu-desktop in first
[10:58] <fdoving> Jucato: this problem, and the fact that upgrading from dapper to edgy is a pain, is why i created the script. pythons packages changing name, xorg video drivers changing name.
[10:58] <fdoving> apokryphos: that is not true.
[10:59] <apokryphos> fdoving: if the packages changed their names it should still be handled by the metapackage
[10:59] <fdoving> apokryphos: well, it isn't.
[10:59] <apokryphos> fdoving: any idea why?
[11:00] <fdoving> not really haven't investigated much. the problem is that the dapper kubuntu-desktop depends on packages the edgy kubuntu-desktop conflicts with. or something like that.
[11:02] <Jucato> apokryphos: I'm not lying. unless the Dapper install didn't install kubuntu-desktop, I really didn't do anything that removed it.
[11:02] <Jucato> unless dist-upgrading itself removes kubuntu-desktop
[11:02] <apokryphos> Jucato: I believe you =), I'm just saying it's odd
[11:02] <fdoving> dist-upgrading to edgy will remove kubuntu-desktop
[11:02] <apokryphos> fdoving: that shouldn't be a problem, unless a dist-upgrade forces the remove of kubuntu-desktop
[11:02] <fdoving> apokryphos: it does.
[11:03] <apokryphos> which would be a major problem, really. A plain dist-upgrade can't really be successful, 
[11:03] <Jucato> I thought you didn't
[11:03] <Jucato> :(
[11:03] <apokryphos> =)
[11:04] <Jucato> unfortunately, I'm not willing to reinstall Dapper and upgrade to Edgy again for the sake of "testing it" again :P
[11:04] <fdoving> I'm doing it in a chroot.
[11:04] <apokryphos> Jucato: you could've just downloaded an edgy ISO, you know :P
[11:05] <apokryphos> cool, let me know how it goes 8)
[11:05] <Jucato> apokryphos: if I could, I wouldn't be subjecting myself to this torture...
[11:05] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: they use the update manager, so it tends not to, i believe
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why do the current ones die?
[11:05] <apokryphos> Jucato: /topic
[11:06] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: but a lot of people still upgrade through dist-upgrade; it's the classic example of "easiest upgrade", would be a big shame if it didn't work for this release.
[11:06] <Jucato> apokryphos: I have no blank CD's
[11:06] <apokryphos> not that I think there's still time to make changes; passed some time ago :P
[11:07] <apokryphos> Jucato: plenty of ways to install; /msg ubotu install
[11:07] <fdoving> apokryphos: i so agree with you. about the big shame. and apparently no good solution to the problem, except installing every new package by hand, one by one.
[11:07] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: true.  it's a pity if all bugs arent fixed for release, but htat will never happen.  ditto for a whole heap of wifi cards that worked in dapper, but not edgy
[11:07] <Jucato> ok, I didn't put a lot of effort into researching about a non-CD install. reason: I presumed this would work
[11:08] <apokryphos> Jucato: a fair assumption
[11:08] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: it's good to get the big ones though :P
[11:09] <apokryphos> a tight schedule is tough; I guess these sacrifices are going to be there
[11:09] <Jucato> after installing amarok manually, which installed a lot of python stuff, dist-upgrading still holds back, but installing kubuntu-desktop now installs 61 packages...
[11:09] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: true that.  everything ndiswrapper related wont work, due to them not accepting a 10 line patch.
[11:09] <Jucato> brb while I take time to look away from my screen
[11:09] <apokryphos> Jucato: cool
[11:09] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: and that patch was there about a month ago, and keybuk knew about it.
[11:09] <apokryphos> ;-O
[11:09] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: why, then?
[11:10] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: NFI
[11:10] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: er, wait, i do know - because he didnt want to commit a patch with only a month to release
[11:10] <apokryphos> :/
[11:10] <apokryphos> commits were still being made a few days ago
[11:11] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yeah, but that one is rather drastic.  well, anything to do with nm is rather drastic
[11:14] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/42504/comments/48 i think
[11:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42504 in wpasupplicant "Cannot associate with unencrypted networks using bcm43xx chipset (ndiswrapper driver)" [High,Confirmed]  
[11:15] <apokryphos> dang
[11:17] <fdoving> that's not a biggie. the bcm43xx driver is there and it works.
[11:17] <fdoving> for everyone else, it is worse :|
[11:17] <Hobbsee> it's the rest of ndiswrapper stuff, which is also there somewhere
[11:18] <Jucato> lol wtf!?!? I didn't confirm the installation of kubuntu-desktop!
[11:18] <Jucato> 5 minutes of wasted time...
[11:18] <Jucato> moin el! :)
[11:18] <Jucato> afk again...
[11:20] <el> moin Jucato :)
[11:21] <apokryphos> heh
[11:25] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[11:26] <el> hey Hobbsee :)
[11:31] <fdoving> gah.. only core-devs can checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.edgy/
[11:33] <fdoving> any core-dev that can make a tar.gz out of it form me? 
[11:33] <fdoving> s/form/for
[11:46] <sivang> mhb: I was used to using plain console IRSSI
[11:47] <sivang> Riddell: I am mostly used to irssi so konversation looks like the future ;)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> sivang: :D  it is the future!
[11:53] <sivang> Hobbsee: indeed :)
[11:53] <sivang> Hobbsee: How are you doing ?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> sivang: good :)
[12:02] <Jucato> hmm....
[12:04] <Jucato> strange... I can manually apt-get install the packages that are being held back in dist-upgrade
[12:05] <Jucato> looks like doing aptitude dist-upgrade solves it...
[12:11] <sivang> Jucato: that's a known feature. When smart upgrade refuses to upgrade packages, you can always override it by explicitly apt-get install 
[12:23] <Jucato> ah at last... Edgy :)
[12:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee, fdoving: finally got it to updgrade fully
[12:23] <fdoving> Jucato: good. now do you know what to say when people ask how to upgrade from dapper to edgy? :)
[12:24] <Jucato> fdoving: not really, coz I didn't even know what was wrong :)
[12:24] <Jucato> I'm not sure if enabling universe did the trick lol
[12:25] <Jucato> in the end, using aptitude dist-upgrade upgraded the held back packages...
[12:38] <sivang> Riddell: looking inside the kmplayer's 'admin' dir, I found there a file - 'debianrules'. I thought this folder is from the prestine source, or does KDE include stuff for a couple of distros to help them redistribute ?
[12:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee: excuse me, do you happen to know where the "Launch Feedback" settings have been relocated in Dapper?
[12:50] <fdoving> Jucato: it's not in system settings. i use settings:/ to locate it.
[12:50] <Jucato> fdoving: yes I know. it's still in KControl. I thought that the modules that have been removed from System Settings are those that could probably be accessed somewhere else
[12:50] <fdoving> settings:/LookNFeel/kcmlaunch
[12:51] <Jucato> (somewhere else besides settings:/ and KControl)
[12:51] <fdoving> i don't know what the policy about system settings stuff is.
[12:53] <Jucato> hm.. then that user's comment about Launch Feedback disappearing is valid...
[12:56] <fdoving> it is.
[12:56] <Jucato> :(
[12:57] <fdoving> i think the advanced button in system settings should load kcontrol embedded.
[12:57] <Jucato> I'm feeling a bit edgy now, really....
[12:59] <Riddell> sivang: debianrules is from KDE
[01:00] <Jucato> oh well, too late to be asking questions I suppose...
[01:02] <sivang> Riddell: I see, cool
[01:03] <sivang> Riddell: didn't know they were so recognizing of their client distributions ;)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope.  system settings, advanced would be my guess
[01:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: not there... thanks anyway
[01:17] <Jucato> Duplicate "Default KOrganizer Resource" in Kontact (Edgy), is this a known bug?
[01:49] <Tonio_> hi there
[01:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I included your debdiff to my packages for feisty in order to avoid multiple uploads and conflicts once I'll add the multimedia stuff
[01:50] <Lure> Tonio_: which debdiff?
[01:50] <Tonio_> for bug 67889
[01:50] <Tonio_> ubugtu ?
[01:50] <Lure> Tonio_: that one should go to edgy-updated first (if mdz approves it)
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67889
[01:51] <Tonio_> Lure: yes that's what I said in the comments
[01:51] <Lure> Tonio_: what is the status if Sime's patches - are they ready for edgy-updates at least?
[01:51] <Tonio_> we should provide a package update for edgy and I'll prepare the package for feisty
[01:51] <Tonio_> Lure: nope I don't think so
[01:52] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem with Sime's patches is that they cause an issue with a konqueror bug
[01:52] <Tonio_> and to avoid the konqueror bug I need to perform several updates (kdelibs, kdebase, kds)
[01:52] <Tonio_> so at the moment, edgy only includes the old version of sime's patches....
[01:52] <Tonio_> that's not Sime's fault, but konqueror fault
[01:53] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, fair enough - it is not that critical bug anyhow
[01:53] <Tonio_> Lure: nope :)
[01:53] <Tonio_> Lure: so I'll keep packages with your debdiff on my repo waiting for feisty to come
[01:53] <Tonio_> Lure: the package will probably go in security no ?
[01:53] <Tonio_> or backport ?
[01:54] <Lure> Tonio_: edy-updates I think
[01:54] <Lure> Tonio_: edgy-updates actually, but Riddell need to discuss with mdz first
[01:55] <Tonio_> Lure: okay :)
[01:56] <Tonio_> what to perform if "sudo rm -rf" complains "operation not permitted " ?
[02:02] <fdoving> what is it you're trying to delete? 
[02:03] <Riddell> work out if sudo is complaining or rm
[02:09] <Jucato> Tonio_: I just noticed something with the No MP3 Support script in Amarok. If you say "No", it will still proceed with the script. Then if you Cancel the dialog box asking for your password (to enable multiverse), it will say that MP3 Support is now installed  
[02:15] <Tonio___> Riddell: recovery mode helped, thanks
[02:15] <Jucato> gah... you were away when I asked something :)
[02:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: me ?
[02:16] <Jucato> yes :)
[02:16] <Jucato> Tonio_: I just noticed something with the No MP3 Support script in Amarok. If you say "No", it will still proceed with the script. Then if you Cancel the dialog box asking for your password (to enable multiverse), it will say that MP3 Support is now installed  
[02:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: hu ?????,
[02:17] <Tonio_> strange.......
[02:17] <Tonio_> let me look at the script
[02:17] <Jucato> ok...
[02:18] <Riddell> that would be a problem in amarok
[02:18] <Jucato> I'm not 100% confident with this Edgy install, though... went through a few hiccups earlier (upgraded from a fresh Dapper install...)
[02:18] <Tonio_> kdialog --yesno "Do you want to enable restricted software from multiverse?"
[02:18] <Tonio_> Jucato: should respect the yes/no answer
[02:19] <fdoving> where is the script located? 
[02:19] <Jucato> oh...
[02:19] <Jucato> I'll test it again from a real install of Edgy tomorrow...
[02:19] <Tonio_> fdoving: /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: bah maybe the script is wrong, I don't know, but I tested it widelly and I don't remember that issue
[02:20] <Jucato> Tonio_: I also don't remember encountering this when I tested it the first time it came out
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, Riddell's version or mine ?
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: cause I rewrote the patch
[02:21] <Jucato> yours
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay
[02:21] <Jucato> ah
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: I didn't touch it since then, I only worked once on it
[02:21] <Tonio_> so maybe someone changed it I don't know, need to watch at the changelog
[02:22] <Jucato> heh maybe it's  just my fscked up install :)
[02:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: looks like imbrandon and Riddell touched it....
[02:22] <Tonio_> well we'll test
[02:23] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm not there today, but I'll test tomorrow
[02:24] <Jucato> ok great :)
[02:25] <Jucato> Tonio_: btw, who else can I ask about KubuntuKDEMedia stuff? use case actually
[02:25] <Jucato> (don't want to bother you with it heheh)
[02:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: Sime ;)
[02:26] <Jucato> ok. thanks! hope he's around
[02:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: I can confirm the issue
[02:28] <Tonio_> shit........
[02:28] <Jucato> oh...
[02:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: ah !
[02:28] <Tonio_> that's amarok issue, not script :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> the dialog that has the problem is amarok's dialog, not script dialog
[02:29] <Jucato> oh :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're right on that point
[02:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: amarok launches the script whatever you respond
[02:29] <Tonio_> here is the issue
[02:30] <fdoving> that script is hard to read. :|
[02:31] <Jucato> silly Amarok not knowing when you mean "No" :P
[02:31] <Tonio_> Jucato: yup, you should report an amarok bug on launchpad
[02:31] <Jucato> will do :)
[02:31] <Riddell> that won't do much good, it needs to go upstream
[02:32] <Jucato> bugs.kde.org?
[02:32] <Riddell> yes
[02:32] <Riddell> dear amarok:, no means no
[02:32] <Jucato> lol
[02:39] <Tonio___> grmpf....... my internet connection sucks
[02:39] <Tonio___> or is that freenode ?
[02:39] <lexual> Riddell: Hi, are you about?
[02:39] <Riddell> hi lexual 
[02:39] <lexual> hi
[02:40] <lexual> I've just come across a strange bug with a amd64 beta install
[02:40] <lexual> not sure which package to file bug against.
[02:41] <lexual> happened with live cd, and when system came up. Keyboard was not responding at all. hit Ctl+Alt+F1 and everything was OK.
[02:41] <lexual> hit Ctl+Alt+F7 again and keyboard was working fine.
[02:41] <Riddell> lexual: that's a known problem and has been fixed, although if you could test today's dailys to confirm that would be cool
[02:41] <lexual> Riddell: ace.
[02:42] <lexual> I'll try a daily tomorrow if I have some time.
[02:42] <Jucato> Riddell: is it also Amarok's bug that "MP3 support now installed" appears even if you choose Cancel in the dialog box asking for your password?
[02:42] <lexual> what's the url for dailies?
[02:43] <Riddell> Jucato: no, that's us
[02:43] <Riddell> lexual: cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live
[02:43] <Jucato> ah :)
[02:43] <Jucato> so just the "No" part?
[02:43] <Riddell> lexual: or rsync with the url on KubuntuFiles wiki page against the beta
[02:43] <Riddell> Jucato: correct
[02:44] <lexual> Riddell: no idea how to do the rsync one.
[02:48] <lexual> not sure if anyone listens to linux action podcast, but kubuntu got a nice little plug from aseigo saying how he's moved from suse to kubuntu.
[02:49] <Jucato> ooh nice :)
[02:50] <imbrandon> moins fellas
[02:51] <Jucato> hi imbrandon :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[02:52] <imbrandon> wow looks like i made sabdfl's blog /me blushes
[03:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and nixternal's too
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hey lexual 
[03:01] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:02] <imbrandon> nixternal's too? i dident see that one yet
[03:02] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:02] <lexual> hey
[03:03] <imbrandon> ahh yea i did there too , wow :) today looks to be a good day ( leaste for my ego ) and you too Hobbsee ;)
[03:03] <nixternal> moins
[03:03] <imbrandon> heya nixternal
[03:03] <nixternal> wth are you doing up this early ;)
[03:03] <nixternal> i guess i should ask myself that same question
[03:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep
[03:03] <Jucato> Riddell, Tonio_: kde bug 136294 hope I wrote it right... :(
[03:03] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136294 in general "Amarok dialog doesn't honor "No" and still runs script" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136294
[03:04] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:04] <imbrandon> nixternal, heh i had a job interview yesterday so i'm on a diffrent sleep schedule
[03:04] <imbrandon> i just woke up
[03:04] <nixternal> lovely
[03:04] <imbrandon> not so much, i declined the job ( even though they gave it to me )
[03:04] <imbrandon> heh
[03:05] <nixternal> i enjoy doing that at times
[03:05] <Jucato> lol
[03:05] <imbrandon> it was for a Solaris Admin job ( that i know absolutely nothing about other than its Unix like )
[03:05] <imbrandon> so i told them no thanks ( *sobs* )
[03:07] <Jucato> imbrandon: art-staging.ubuntu.com is your project?
[03:07] <nixternal> sounds like a job i did recently
[03:08] <nixternal> that is why i miss working in the sun office here in chicago...i wish they would have never closed that office
[03:08] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea
[03:08] <sivang> imbrandon: you are damn lucky to not have accepted it, I used to work with Solaris a bit, it's a pain :)
[03:08] <imbrandon> Jucato, actualy art.ubuntu.com is but thats the staging area :)
[03:09] <Jucato> imbrandon: so you're responsible for both those sites? great work!! :)
[03:09] <nixternal> forget sys admin jobs..the money is with system analysis positions
[03:10] <imbrandon> heh
[03:11] <Jucato> er... Edgy question: duplicate "Default KOrganizer Resource" in Kontact. is this a known bug?
[03:12] <Jucato> oh bug 64738
[03:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64738 in kdepim "New To-dos are duplicated. (duplicate resources entries)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64738
[03:13] <Jucato> just going to confirm it then....
[03:25] <Jucato> imbrandon: is there an ETA for Edgy release? (so I could estimate in my local timezone)
[03:27] <imbrandon> umm 26th ? as far as a time , i have no idea
[03:28] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[03:29] <Jucato> does anyone know where to find the "Launch Feedback" settings in Edgy? (aside from settings:/ and KControl, of course)
[03:33] <Hobbsee>   Jucato kcontrol :)
[03:33] <Jucato> lol :)
[03:34] <imbrandon> or right click on the icon and edit it
[03:35] <Jucato> imbrandon: no for controlling them: turn them off, change the type of busy cursor, taskbar notification, etc
[03:47] <jeroenvrp> the kcontrol display module is that part of kdeguidance?
[03:47] <fdoving> yes.
[03:48] <jeroenvrp> ok thanks
[03:49] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:51] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:56] <Jucato> I thought all first run wizards were removed?
[05:07] <Riddell> all new CDs to be testing
[05:10] <imbrandon> i have them rsyncing now
[05:10] <imbrandon> heya Riddell
[05:19] <fdoving> Riddell: have you done any testing on the steps needed to successfully and completely update dapper to edgy?
[05:20] <Riddell> fdoving: yes, it's patchy I know
[05:20] <fdoving> Riddell: i know too, but i think i may have found the most painless way.. atleast the most painless so far.
[05:21] <Riddell> what's that?
[05:22] <fdoving> first edit sources.list, then apt-get update, then, the importan part: manually install 'hpijs kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager upstart kubuntu-desktop xorg x11-common xserver-xorg' and then 'dist-upgrade'.
[05:22] <fdoving> that will leave you with just the python packages held back.
[05:23] <fdoving> which is pretty good compared to what you get if you just run 'apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade' after changing sources.list to edgy.
[05:23] <imbrandon> ok time to head to the trade show and pimp kubuntu ( along with giving away 200cd's ) see yall in an hour or two
[05:23] <fdoving> imbrandon: enjoy :)
[05:38] <Riddell> nixternal: how's the release announcement page?
[05:41] <nixternal> it will be done today
[07:29] <fdoving> if someone is up for it, testers for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade (i've done some testing in a dapper pbuilder chroot, installing kubuntu-desktop and upgrading to edgy, i think this is the most painless way.)
[07:29] <fdoving> are welcome.
[07:31] <Riddell> echo 'Yes, do as I say!'  erk?  what needs that?
[07:32] <fdoving> replacing sysvinit with upstart
[07:32] <fdoving> sysvinit is essential.. that's why.
[07:32] <Riddell> mm
[07:32] <Riddell> upgrade tool a definate high priority for fiesty
[07:32] <fdoving> if it's done in a dist-upgrade it doesn't prompt for this. but if it's done with 'apt-get install upstart' it is needed.
[07:33] <Riddell> fdoving: so why not do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade?
[07:33] <fdoving> I have a bash script that does much about what i've put on that page.
[07:34] <fdoving> Riddell: because the specially selected packages needs to be updated first, for a dist-upgrade to be successfull.
[07:35] <fdoving> installing/upgrading those packages before running the actual dist-upgrade makes the whole process smoother.
[07:36] <fdoving> so instead of fixing the mess after a dist-upgrade has upgraded half of the pacakges, and figure out what package needs to be installed manually to get the rest updated, I install the packages needed to make the dist-upgrade upgrade the rest.
[07:36] <Hawkwind> Once I get the Edgy final ISO tomorrow I'm wanting to attempt an upgrade on this(my main) box and see if it works.  I'd love to not have to reinstall if I can help it
[07:37] <Riddell> fdoving: thanks for this, I'll try and to some testing tonight
[07:37] <apokryphos> ah, guess I can test another install
[07:37] <apokryphos> Riddell: should I do a dvd or cd? 32 or 64bit I guess
[07:39] <fdoving> Riddell: the most evil thing in the process is step 6. where i try to install all held back packages (as reported by apt-get -u dist-upgrade), That is not a elegant solution.
[07:40] <Riddell> apokryphos: fill in any gaps you can on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[07:51] <apokryphos> cool
[07:51] <Riddell> and any duplicate results are very welcome too
[07:53] <abattoir> Riddell: will new images be built tomorrow as well? if all goes well with the current ones?
[07:54] <Riddell> abattoir: no, these are expected to be final
[07:54] <abattoir> great, thanks
[08:06] <apokryphos> fdoving: sorry to ask, but any chance you could upload an image again to your server? 8)
[08:07] <apokryphos> so odd, again I'm getting 20 kb/s speeds
[08:08] <fdoving> sure, i can rsync the old one, if you need amd64? 
[08:08] <apokryphos> fdoving: the one here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/edgy-dvd-amd64.iso
[08:11] <fdoving> downloading.. it's slow here too.. ~300kb/s
[08:11] <fdoving> is the torrent tracker up? 
[08:11] <apokryphos> not on the one I tried yesterday at least
[08:11] <apokryphos> no worries about the time if that's ok, I'll be around for a bit
[08:12] <fdoving> it'll be at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/rc/ you'll see the size increasing.
[08:12] <apokryphos> ok, thanks 8). I'll check back later
[08:37] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[08:37] <nixternal> look that over
[08:38] <nixternal> it isn't done, but that is what im working with, and then i will create the php file from that for you
[08:38] <nixternal> i lost my screenshots, so im doing those now
[08:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd put a paragraph about the install options before the download link
[08:43] <Riddell> nixternal: for What's New, most of the stuff listed isn't new, we want KDE 3.5.5, power management, laptop buttons, HWDB client, accessibility profiles, zeroconf/printer sharing, systemsettings, winfoss
[08:44] <Riddell> for server and under the hood see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyAnnouncement
[08:44] <Riddell> ah, you have a space for download details
[08:46] <fdoving> nixternal: "Adept, a package management tool for Kubuntu, makes installing software, removing software, and keeping software up-to-date." s/makes// ?  
[08:47] <Riddell> there's nothing new in adept, I'd get rid of that
[08:47] <Riddell> keep digikam
[08:47] <Riddell> but emphasise that it's new on the CD
[08:50] <fdoving> for netboot, kubuntu.seed should be hosted on kubuntu.org somewhere.. for people like me who like to remember usefull urls like that kubuntu.org/edgy.seed would be nice, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/data/dapper/preseed/kubuntu/kubuntu.seed is a bit long
[08:50] <fdoving> (or something similar.. of course)
[08:53] <Riddell> fdoving: actually you don't need that any more, it asks you which ubuntu variant you want
[08:53] <Riddell> kwwii!
[08:53] <fdoving> Riddell: ah, nice. :)
[08:57] <nixternal> ahh, you guys did exactly what i wanted you too...groom the page ;)
[09:00] <kwwii> howdy Riddell, the website is almost done (although testing it by copying the html per wget or such does not work)
[09:03] <nixternal> Riddell: now take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[09:03] <nixternal> i have groomed it
[09:03] <nixternal> i am probably just going to start editing the php file locally then, and then email it to you
[09:03] <Riddell> careful, Tony Blair has made internet grooming illegal you know
[09:03] <nixternal> lol
[09:05] <Riddell> most of the images needed can probably be taken from previous release wiki pages
[09:06] <nixternal> ya, the only ones that will be new will be for KDE, System Settings, and the Winfoss
[09:11] <apokryphos> fdoving: hey, has the download stopped?
[09:15] <fdoving> apokryphos: hmm.. no it's just slow. ~160
[09:23] <Riddell> kubuntu.org actually looks correct in IE 7, yay
[09:29] <fdoving> huh.. isn't apache in ubuntu buildt with LFS ? 
[09:59] <toma> LeeJunFan: your quit message is quite dangerous
[09:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:01] <Lure> toma: he is missing sudo ;-)
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> hehe, I forgot that was even in there.
[10:02] <LeeJunFan> maybe I should change it to hda1, then it's likely only to wipe out windows, as people who have only linux are going to know enough not to do it :)
[10:02] <toma> or hda34
[10:04] <Lure> anybody else having problems with OOo printers - bug 68256
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68256 in openoffice.org "Openoffice doesn't see remote cups printers, just generic printer" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68256
[10:14] <nixternal> NEEDED:  Power Manager snapshot, default desktop, default kicker, default everything - 1024x768 - kicker icon, kicker tooltip, power manager window, 3 screenshots
[10:15] <fdoving> I can probably help you with some of that.
[10:16] <nixternal> sweet!
[10:16] <nixternal> laptop buttons too? ;)
[10:16] <nixternal> like the volume up/down/mute
[10:16] <fdoving> hmm.. maybe.
[10:17] <LeeJunFan> toma: okay, new quit message = wth does sudo echo "reboot">/etc/rc.local do?
[10:17] <LeeJunFan> :)
[10:17] <toma> LeeJunFan: ;-) strange kind of humor 
[10:17] <Lure> LeeJunFan: permission denied?
[10:18] <LeeJunFan> Lure: that's right!
[10:18] <LeeJunFan> so it's benign
[10:22] <fdoving> apokryphos: apache2 in ubuntu doesn't support large files, so the url has changed, it will be at http://edge.lnix.net/~frode/misc/rc/ when downloaded. though cdimage.ubuntu.com is very slow today.
[10:25] <Riddell> oh Mez, did you get the CDs?
[10:25] <Mez> Riddell, not yet
[10:26] <Riddell> mm, that's not good
[10:33] <ryanakca> Mez: is that php/apache?
[10:34] <beligum> Hi all, anyone care to review ScreenKast (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3140) and libinstrudeo (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3125)) ??
[10:37] <ryanakca> ooh, you got it packaged for feisty (I think that's what it'll be called)
[10:38] <Riddell> I'm yet to work out if i is before e without a c
[10:39] <ryanakca> i before e except after c... ?
[10:40] <ryanakca> ooh, I see... I'll look f(ie/ei)sty up in the dictionnary
[10:40] <Hawkwind> Remember, there's always an exception to every rule, even the rule of i before e except after c :P
[10:41] <Hawkwind> Hence the reason why it's feisty and fiery
[10:43] <kwwii> Riddell: I think I have the files ready for the website
[10:44] <ryanakca> odd... feisty isn't in the Collins English Dictionnary and Thesaurus... nor is fiesty... fiesta, followed by FIFA... feint followed by feldspar
[10:44] <kwwii> (ie I have no way of testing them, as the whole title-bar thing is done with php and does not come through in the html from wget or such)
[10:45] <kwwii> 7 pics and 2 text files
[10:45] <kwwii> anyone else know how to test changes to the website?
[10:45] <ryanakca> nope...
[10:46] <mike> look it up at oed.com which is the only real 'english' dictionary... many others are 'american'
[10:46] <ryanakca> "This is an Americanism which is gaining ground in British and Australian English." ah... that explains why it isn't in a british dictionnary ;)
[10:47] <kwwii> Riddell: how do you want me to give them to you?
[10:48] <ryanakca> mike: you need to subscribe to use "OED online"
[10:49] <Mez> ryanakca, yes, it is apoache
[10:49] <mike> unless you have one through uni, n/m
[10:49] <mike> can try dict.org
[10:49] <ryanakca> Mez: kk
[10:50] <ryanakca> mike: ^^ "This is an americanism..."
[10:50] <Mez> ryanakca, I'm having problems getting sub domain Rewrites to not loop
[10:50] <kwwii> Riddell: for now I least put them on http://sinecera.de/new_kubuntu_web_files.tar.gz (note that all the pics go in the ./images dir)
[10:50] <imbrandon_> kwwii: heya , mark announced the art site a bit early on me so i put another theme up and put a call for testers out heh, if you anna goof with it later feel free
[10:51] <ryanakca> Mez: lost me :)
[10:51] <imbrandon_> s/anna/wanna
[10:51] <ryanakca> Mez: The most I know is that it's apache related... tried in #apache ?
[10:51] <kwwii> imbrandon_: not so sure that will attract too many kde artists
[10:51] <kwwii> but I understand
[10:52] <mike> "For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips." is noaccurate. even their 64 bit chips do not require the 64 bit version.
[10:52] <imbrandon_> kwwii: yea it needs a bit of love, but i had to do something, mark and newzum wanted more "ubuntu"
[10:52] <imbrandon_> but its still open for changes
[10:52] <mike> (from the daily build dvd page)
[10:53] <imbrandon_> mike: howso ?
[10:53] <kwwii> well, the underlying problem might be that not too many K* people end up looking at U* websites, especially artwork
[10:54] <kwwii> I think we discuss the edgy theme more on #kde-artists as we did on #ubuntu-artwork
[10:54] <kwwii> s/discuss/discussed
[10:54] <imbrandon_> kwwii: yea when it go's live i was gonna poke Riddell to make a art.kubuntu.org alias for it
[10:54] <kwwii> a very good idea
[10:54] <mike> imbrandon_: you can run an i386 image on an amd64. basically, an amd64 image is not NECESSARY for ANY amd chip.
[10:55] <imbrandon_> Riddell: infact if you have time to doso that would be nice
[10:55] <Mez> ryanakca, tried :P
[10:55] <imbrandon_> mike: and it says its not nessesary :P
[10:55] <ryanakca> Mez: lol... hmm... no clue...
[10:55] <fdoving> nixternal: i'm sorry, but i just realized that screenshots doesn't look good when taken from a NX session. things doesn't look 100% like the real thing.. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/edgy-ss/ tell me if they are useable.. 
[10:55] <mike> " only their 64 bit chips" which is not true
[10:56] <imbrandon_> it is for computers based on those chips , it dosent says its nessesary for them
[10:56] <imbrandon_> read the first sentance without the e.g again
[10:57] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[10:57] <mike> the sentece is quite confusing. since necessary is the main part of the sentence, then goes all, most, and only... 
[10:57] <nixternal> added images Riddell for you to review..those are the thumbnails there
[10:57] <mike> anyway, whatever
[10:58] <imbrandon_> mike: sure , i would sugest then rewrod it to something you feel more approperate and file a bug against ubuntu-website in Launchpad.net
[10:58] <imbrandon_> reword*
[10:58] <nixternal> fdoving: i need the screenies of the Power Management application
[10:59] <fdoving> nixternal: ah.. then i missunderstood. sorry :|
[10:59] <Riddell> nixternal: URL?
[10:59] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[10:59] <Riddell> imbrandon_: I can't make kubuntu.org aliases, only sysadmin can
[10:59] <imbrandon_> Riddell: okies
[11:00] <mike> edgy-dvd-amd64.iso is also ambiguous (b/c it could be ubuntu, not kubuntu)
[11:00] <Riddell> nixternal: images look good, missing some text still :)
[11:00] <nixternal> mike: if you download from the kubuntu page, it will be kubuntu, you download from the ubuntu page it will be ubuntu, and so forth
[11:01] <nixternal> harhar Riddell ;)
[11:01] <mike> i know, but on my hd they're both edgy... whatever again.
[11:02] <nixternal> well, when you open either k3b or gnomebaker, they tell you which one is which
[11:02] <beligum> Riddell: Any chance to get it in Feisty ?
[11:02] <beligum> (ScreenKast that is)
[11:02] <nixternal> i ahve 4 of those iso's currently
[11:02] <nixternal> so i know
[11:02] <imbrandon_> thats one reason it ask you for a filename when you save it ;)
[11:02] <Riddell> beligum: I certainly hope so, just keep poking us over the next 6 months until it happens
[11:03] <beligum> Riddell: lol, sounds great
[11:03] <beligum> Ok, I'm off, thanks for the advice
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: no need to test dailies anymore?
[11:07] <Riddell> mhb: plenty!
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: I had school today, so I just downloaded it in the morning
[11:08] <Riddell> rsync them
[11:08] <mhb> Riddell: good to hear
[11:09] <kwwii> Riddell: so, if I made a branch of the web stuff, how do I commit it now?
[11:11] <Riddell> kwwii: push it to launchpad then I can merge it on the web server
[11:11] <Riddell> bzr push sftp://<username>@bazaar.launchpad.net/<username>/kubuntu-website/<branchname>  is the URL I think
[11:12] <nixternal> Riddell: Accessibility Profiles, definition wise would be the same as ICC Profiles, and not a User Profile correct?, however it looks like it deals with a user profile
[11:12] <Riddell> nixternal: well it sets user settings
[11:13] <nixternal> ok, so it is for a computer that would have multiple users with handicaps?
[11:13] <Riddell> yes
[11:15] <mhb> Riddell: so Edgy get released in less than 24hours,
[11:15] <mhb> ?
[11:17] <Hawkwind> mhb: Probably less than 12 actually if it follows the previous releases
[11:17] <mhb> Hawkwind: thanks
[11:17] <mhb> I should prepare some docs for the Czech Kubuntu website
[11:18] <mhb> kwwii: those changes you made to the website design ... will they be applied today?
[11:18] <kwwii> mhb: not sure
[11:19] <fdoving> Riddell: did you test the upgrade process? We should update the kubuntu section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades to something that works.
[11:21] <nixternal> somebody write me a 2 sentences about "Accessibility Profiles" as I am drawing a huge blank
[11:21] <jdong> fdoving: (1) install upgrade manager (2) follow ubuntu instructions? ;-)
[11:22] <fdoving> jdong: no, http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[11:23] <mhb> fdoving: does it work?
[11:23] <jdong> fdoving: holy mother of crap
[11:23] <jdong> how come I like my instructions better?
[11:24] <fdoving> mhb: all my tests indicates that, yes.
[11:24] <jdong> I'd rather pull in some GTK and python than play with that :D
[11:24] <mhb> fdoving: if I won't fall asleep I'll test it
[11:24] <fdoving> mhb: great :)
[11:24] <mhb> fdoving: don't
[11:24] <mhb> fdoving: (don't fall asleep)
[11:25] <fdoving> i'll have to go to bed in ~1h
[11:25] <kwwii> Riddell: erm what is this trying to tell me?
[11:25] <kwwii> bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/~kwwii/kubuntu-website/kwwii/.bzr/revision-history': [Errno 2]  /~kwwii/kubuntu-website/kwwii/.bzr/revision-history
[11:28] <kwwii> trying with a different branchname
[11:34] <kwwii>  bazaar.launchpad.net/~kwwii/kubuntu-website/webtest worked fine
[11:34] <nixternal> kwwii: did you checkout, or branch when you did it?
[11:35] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:35] <nixternal> kwwii: did you just add the directory kwwii to the kubuntu-website/ ?
[11:35] <nixternal> if so, you need to 
[11:35] <kwwii> nixternal: I branched
[11:35] <nixternal> bzr add kubuntu-website/kwwi
[11:35] <nixternal> and then try to commit
[11:36] <kwwii> nixternal: I think the connection broke while I was doing it the first time, now it worked find
[11:36] <nixternal> that is telling you either the kwwii directory isn't under revision, or....exactly what you just said ;)
[11:36] <kwwii> :-)
[11:36] <nixternal> it goofed during the initial branch and broke that section
[11:36] <kwwii> with the other branchname it seems to work
[11:36] <Riddell> nixternal: you don't need to do that any more
[11:37] <Riddell> fdoving: doing it now
[11:37] <nixternal> don't need to ?  bzr add?
[11:37] <fdoving> Riddell: great.
[11:39] <Riddell> nixternal: correct
[11:39] <nixternal> ahh..didn't know that, thanks
[11:39] <kwwii> Riddell: basically, I changed 7 pics and changed colors in two files (one css file and one php file)
[11:40] <kwwii> I guess now you want a release pic :p
[11:43] <ryanakca> What time is Edgy released? (UTC)... I'm wondering if it's worth testing a CD when I get back from bagpipes... (~3 hours from now...)
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: yes please :)
[11:44] <kwwii> Riddell: is the release really at 0:00 tonight?
[11:44] <mhb> I'm rsyncing for 10 minutes now ... is it normal?
[11:45] <mhb> I hope it's not downloading the whole thing again
[11:45] <Riddell> kwwii: no
[11:45] <Riddell> kwwii: about 12UTC
[11:45] <Riddell> mhb: if there's a few other people rsyncing at the same time it gets very slow
[11:46] <kwwii> Riddell: I started to make a release pic which says "Kubuntu 6.10" in the same style as the new logo...sound good, or should I do something else?
[11:46] <nixternal> ok everyone, i need big time help here...im heading to school now, and i will work a little from there i hope...but here is what i need...go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release and make fixes where needed. I need a good write up for the "Accessibiltiy Profiles", and if possible, I need images for Laptop Buttons and Power Management
[11:46] <nixternal> i will cya in a bit
[11:47] <ryanakca> kk, I'll try to do something about that in a bit...
[11:47] <ryanakca> bbl
[11:48] <nixternal> thanks bro!!!
[11:49] <nixternal> i needed that... Riddell, I will have a php file ready for you tonight, but you might be in bed, is there anyone else who can upload, or will you be awake tomorrow before release?
[11:49] <Riddell> kwwii: sounds great
[11:50] <Riddell> nixternal: I'll do it tomorrow as we release
[11:50] <nixternal> ok, so i will email it to you, message you a link, and .... whatever else you can think of ;)
[11:54] <kwwii> Riddell: when we decide to put the new web stuff online, I should be immediately available to fix any problems
[11:55] <Riddell> kwwii: was trying to play with it now but I'm doing something wrong
[11:55] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/newer/
[11:56] <kwwii> erm, looks exactly the same as the old one
[11:57] <kwwii> none of the changes appear
[11:57] <Riddell> that's the problem
[11:58] <Riddell> ah, fixed it
[11:59] <Riddell> looks great, except for the white band at the top
[11:59] <mhb> kwwii: nice
[12:00] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I think you are right and I will fix that, alhtough I did it on purpose
[12:00] <kwwii> Riddell: the css colors are not coming though though
[12:00] <kwwii> this is what I hate about php
[12:01] <kwwii> and I need to add more of a bottom edge to the title graphics so that the shadow effect shows more
[12:02] <kwwii> but the tabs, the hardest part to guess at, look pretty good
[12:02] <kwwii> so I fscked all the easy things
[12:02] <kwwii> and did a nice job on the hard stuff
[12:03] <Hawkwind> kwwii: That looks really good.  Damn great job.  I love those tabs
[12:03] <fdoving> apokryphos: download finished.
[12:04] <kwwii> Hawkwind: unfortunately the tabs are the only good parts :p