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otaku-sanDaSkreech: you have any idea how to install kdm theme....12:11
BluesKajthat word that stats with "w" triggers uboto offtopic messages , it seems :)12:11
DaSkreechotaku-san: the theme manager?12:11
otaku-sanDaSkreech: the login screen12:12
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DaSkreech!windows > BluesKaj12:12
BluesKajhehe :)12:12
DaSkreechotaku-san: installed kdmtheme ?12:12
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cpk2otaku-san: apt-get install kdmtheme12:14
osloaumuell> first time you plugin12:14
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oslodid it work ?12:14
aumuelli don't remember12:14
aumuellthat's so long ago12:14
aumuellhow do you use it anyway?12:14
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alejandroBuenas noches desde Barcelona12:15
osloaumuell> because when i plug it in it write on ipod "do not disconnect"12:15
aumuellyes, that means that your computer is ready to mount it, oslo12:16
ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.12:17
aumuelloslo: and if you want to unplug it, then choose 'safely remove ipod' from its context menu on the desktop12:17
aumuellthen this 'do not disconnect' goes away12:17
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DaSkreechotaku-san: How goes?12:18
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osloaumuell> how make it be automaticalt mounted ?12:19
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aumuelloslo: that just works for me in edgy12:19
aumuellkde does this12:19
aumuellin some way that is not known to me, but probably via hal12:20
osloaumuell> i'm on edgy too, what have you change ?12:21
oslodo u have mkdir something in media ?12:21
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aumuelloslo: no, that gets created automatically12:21
ianmacgregorMy only complaint is that it has taken me five hours to tweak everything about KDE when it only took me a half an hour in gnome. KDE has way too many tweaks for every little silly thing.. overkill in all its glory.12:22
osloaumuell> not 4 me :/12:22
DaSkreechianmacgregor: the secret is to take your time and savour it12:22
DaSkreechtune your system over a year or two :)12:22
afm\colossuswell, the drawback of gnome is12:22
osloaumuell> i'll try with ipod pugged at startup ...12:22
afm\colossusit just somehow sucks12:22
afm\colossusimho, of course ;)12:22
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cpk2dont worry after a worry or 2 of using kde you will be attached to it12:23
cpk2and if anything happens to your configs you will be in misery12:23
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otaku-sanDaSkreech: sorry...phonecall came in.  No, I'm meaning how would you go about changing the look of the login screen12:24
DaSkreechotaku-san: install kdmtheme ?12:25
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otaku-sanDaSkreech: I guess...12:26
DaSkreechotaku-san: I'm confused. does that mean you did?12:26
otaku-sancpk2: what does that do?  Does it install a theme manager....12:26
cpk2otaku-san: thats what you use to change the login screen12:27
DaSkreechcpk2: Oh cool talk otaku-san through it12:27
DaSkreechI'm heading out12:28
otaku-sanDaSkreech: ok on kde-looks.org there are skins you could say for the login screen.  I downed a skin and tried to install using the howto instructions on the site...it didn't work...mainly because one of the folders is not there12:28
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otaku-san....I was going to say bye...but I have to big of a mouth12:28
cpk2otaku-san: ignore the kde-look how to =P12:28
cpk2otaku-san: which one are you trying to get?12:28
otaku-sancpk2: yeah!  :)  I'm trying to get one called shuttle12:28
otaku-sanI have on my box12:28
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cpk2and its a tar right?12:29
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cpk2otaku-san: yeah install kdmtheme via apt12:30
otaku-sanjust do apt-get install kdetheme...and it'll find shuttle...or are you going to explain that?12:31
otaku-santhats a dumb question...I'll just do what you want :p12:31
Kr4t05Where are KDM themes stored?12:31
Kr4t05I want to edit one to make it custom.12:32
cpk2its kdmtheme12:32
otaku-sank it's installed12:32
cpk2and then run kdmtheme and enjoy!12:33
cpk2click install new theme and then choose the tar12:33
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otaku-sancpk2: where would this be...and I typed kdmtheme in konsole...but it says command not found12:34
cpk2otaku-san: hmm aparently you cant do it from console... use the run command from kmenu12:35
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cpk2maybe its in sbin or only the roots bin?12:35
otaku-sanohhhh fancy12:35
lters_any one succeed in upgrading from dapper to edgy with apt-get ?12:36
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cpk2but that makes it real easy to change login themes =)12:36
VanessaEmy husband did it.12:36
VanessaEa little messy but it is possible.12:36
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otaku-sancpk2: ok...well I've learned something new about running it in the menu or pulling a root12:36
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CViruslters_: I would recommend that you wait for a couple of days12:36
otaku-sanVanessaE: sounds fun12:36
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lters_CVirus: I tried and was disappointed.12:37
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cpk2otaku-san: pulling a root?12:37
lters_the themes / power managment did not come along.12:37
otaku-sancpk2: typing sudo...I also say pulling a sudo but root sounds cooler12:38
CVirusI'll wait for 3 days after its officially released and we see reports of success upgrades12:38
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lters_I tested the new stuff and it is good. (by doing a clean install)12:38
otaku-sanCVirus: I'm with you....or I may not even at all...my system is to configed to be borked12:38
black_13i am trying to use adept to install qt3-examples but im not having any luck12:39
lters_t60 dual core ;)12:39
cpk2otaku-san: even sudo kdmtheme doesnt seem to work =\12:39
cpk2kind of odd12:39
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otaku-sancpk2: hmmmm...thanks anyways...it worked12:39
otaku-sancpk2: ok I'm off to test it!!!!12:39
cpk2but using the kmenu run command does the trick so who cares =P12:39
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cpk2otaku-san: just lock your session12:39
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otaku-santhat may work...12:40
cpk2otaku-san: lock your session and go to tty812:40
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otaku-santty8...always wondered what that was12:40
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twenty2sixtyhi all! I just updated to edgy & was a little set back because a bug didn't fix itself as I hoped it would: Each time after I hibernate my machine + start it again later, I can no longer access the drives of my local fileserver that are mounted via fstab. Any ideas or hints what might cause this?12:41
twenty2sixtyi had this problem with dapper already and hoped it would simply 'disappear' in edgy...12:41
otaku-sancpk2: didn't work....I'll be back12:42
lters_but did you get the new power tools?12:42
cpk2otaku-san: it should...12:42
Dr_willistwenty2sixty,  its a nfs fileserver?12:42
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cpk2otaku-san: kmenu... switch user12:42
cpk2that will send you to tty812:42
otaku-sancpk2: ahhh switch users...I was doing lock session12:42
cpk2well it will lock your session =P12:43
otaku-sanlock current?12:43
twenty2sixtyDr_willis: just a boring windoze-machine with fat32 + 1 ntfs-drive12:43
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Dr_willistwenty2sixty,  so you mean to say its a "samba"/smb/netbui share.. eh12:43
Dr_willistwenty2sixty,  may want to look into that smbfs feature of FUSE.12:43
twenty2sixtyDr_willis: What is FUSE?12:44
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Dr_willistwenty2sixty,  somthign WELL worth learning about. :P12:44
Dr_willis google for 'linux fuse'12:44
Dr_willisfile system in user space.12:44
ubotuThough it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse12:44
Dr_willislets you do all sorts of neat tricks.. mount samba shares as directories on the fly,12:44
Dr_willisthe !fuse factoid is stupid.. its refering to the ntfs feature.. it cen do MUCH MUCH more.12:45
cpk2oh sorry =X12:45
Dr_willissamba, sshfs, ftpfs, and way way more.12:45
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Dr_willisits got to be one of the top 'under rated/unknown tools' out :)12:45
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Dr_willisFilesystems based on FUSE  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems12:46
twenty2sixtyDr_willis: Sounds great! And you think by switching the way I access the fileserver (using FUSE instead of regular samba) the problem I've got will disappear?12:46
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Dr_willistwenty2sixty,  not sure.. it may. part of the issue may be windows faults12:47
cpk2why even upgrade to edgy right now?12:47
cpk2its coming on thursday12:47
lters_power management12:47
Dr_williscould always do away with the smb/netbui/samba stuff.. and    use ssh instead12:47
Dr_willisI installed edgy just yesterday...12:47
Dr_willisso i can have it going now.. and just upgrade as the days go by.12:47
lters_apt-get dist-upgrad should get the updates, not12:47
Dr_willisno big rush to download it later.12:48
tmgI've got very ugly fonts on GTK1 apps, like in http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtk1fonttg3.png. Does anybody know how to fix this?12:48
lters_thursday mirros will be pegged.12:48
cpk2so if dapper is the LTS how often does an LTS come out?12:48
twenty2sixtyDr_willis: Thanks for your help! I'll check your hints out! Bye!12:49
Dr_willisfuse website is slow for me. :(12:49
Dr_williscant get to the docs.12:49
VanessaELTS just means it's supported for a long time after release.12:49
VanessaEbut the release cycle is every 6 months.12:49
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Dr_willisI guess the LTS stuff is to apease the businesses out there.12:50
Dr_williswhatever 'support' actually does12:50
VanessaEGoogle is my support. :)12:50
Dr_willisive yet to actually pin down what all this 'support' stuff does.12:51
cpk2canonical sells support12:51
lters_makes people like kodiaknetworks.com happy.12:51
Dr_willisif its like the stuff we get asked in here.... well.. a decent book  and a week of reading linux tutorials - is ayou need. :)12:51
Dr_willisSo the kodiak guys call canonical asking how to play mp3's and dvd's ?12:51
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VanessaEnothing can truely replace interactive support sometimes.12:52
Dr_willisor how come their user cant access the ntfs shares?12:52
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lters_will edgy get the thunderbird or will icedove be the new email client..?12:52
Dr_willisOr where such-and-such a menu item is..  since they just installed a program and its got no icon? :)12:52
lters_I will the name could stay the same.12:52
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cpk2help plz windoze clients cant access samba shares!!11!oneone!112:52
VanessaEyou forgot 'eleven' :)12:52
Dr_williscpk2,  you  gave the windows users a 'samba' password with sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME ?12:53
lters_hmm, edgy rc installer crashed.12:53
cpk2you actually dont need the windows username to be the same as the unix account12:53
Dr_williscpk2,  correct.. but it makes things handy.12:53
VanessaEyeah you do.12:53
cpk2it asks for account name and password when you try to access the share12:53
Dr_willisyour Linux USERS need to have a samba password..  or the windows users cant connect.12:53
VanessaEat least in Xp you do, otherwise windows won't remember the password.12:53
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Dr_willisBut then again.. #**@*@ samba.. use ssh and winscp. :)12:54
VanessaEstupidest thing I've ever heard of.  talk about insecure.12:54
cpk2Dr_willis: for some reason the girlfriend finds dragging and dropping into a samba drive easier than winscp =P12:54
Dr_willisive had xp get confused and rembe the wrong password..12:54
Dr_williswinscp has a exploreer look alike feature i thought.12:55
VanessaEand this is precisely why I will never use windows on my box :)12:55
cpk2VanessaE: yes but is it too much to ask people to remember important things such as a password to access the shared drive?12:55
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VanessaEcpk: it can be12:55
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VanessaEI use line-noise passwords where I can....and I can't remember most of them :)12:56
Dr_willisdo you want such people to be accessing your shares. :)12:56
draikI'm using k9Copy and it won't copy a DVD that I have. It will author if I don't check the box for keeping the original menus. If I do that, the movie will only select one video, not all 4 episodes12:57
VanessaEseriously though, it's an annoyance if you have a password you can easily remember, but if you're like me and have to look up your passwords all the time, it's a major irritant.12:57
unix_infidelwhy not just write a script to generate your passwords based on a passphrase.12:57
cpk2my root password is different from my sudo account password I always scare myself when using su -12:58
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VanessaEunix: that would certainly work, if you can remember the passphrase :)12:58
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draikAs far as passwords go, I worked at a place that the password changed every 60 seconds... you were given a key card that would generate your username a password every 60 seconds if you needed a password12:58
unix_infidelat best you obfuscate it, but that's better than a 10 letter phrase with dictionary words.12:58
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Dr_willisat work we have to change our passwords every 30 days...12:59
VanessaEnow, granted, I remember my root and user passwords (both of which are line noise), but that's probably because I haven't changed them in years.12:59
mike_how can i insatll gnomeif i am using kubuntu?12:59
unix_infidelDr_willis: that's about standard.12:59
Dr_willisthis on an account that i cant even DO anything with.. no editors or what not.. I just access 2 programs12:59
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cpk2sorry but whats line noise?12:59
Dr_willisevery 30 days is lame.12:59
draikmy password means something to me, but not to anybody else.12:59
VanessaEline noise..12:59
VanessaEyou know12:59
unix_infidelMS has A MUCH MORE stringent policy for their users.12:59
Dr_willisexp when the passwords are like "Bubba123"12:59
VanessaElike when you pick up the phone while your modem is connected12:59
VanessaE(if you remember back to the BBS days)01:00
mike_how can i install gnome from kde?01:00
VanessaErandom characters01:00
Dr_willisI end up having to log in like 3 times.. to the system.. to one program, then to the other program. :)01:00
VanessaEmike: sudo apt-get install gnome :)01:00
Dr_williseach time with the same user, but different passwords.01:00
mike_didnt work01:00
mike_its sudo apt-get install gnome-dekstop01:00
mike_also didnt work01:00
Dr_willishow... vague01:00
mike_VanessaE: check this out http://pastebin.ca/21991701:00
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mike_it didnt work01:00
Dr_willisthe correct way is01:00
Dr_willissudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop01:01
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mike_Dr_willis: is that for me?01:01
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VanessaEack, look at the error he gets though01:01
mike_VanessaE:  straneg ehh01:01
mike_http://pastebin.ca/219917 its there if u missed the link before Dr_willis01:01
VanessaEnot strange, I've seen errors like this01:01
Dr_willis!info ubuntu-desktop01:01
ubotuubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.120 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB01:01
AbnaxosHi! Got a question ... I've made a dualscreen setup (no Xinerama, intentionally) with XGL/KDE on one screen and a plain flwm on the other. Works fine so far, but I can't cleanly log off (either ksmserver crashes or the screen stais black).01:02
mike_VanessaE:  so any ideas?01:02
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Dr_willisdist-upgrade, perhaps use aptitude to install the packates..  perhaps.. hmm thats all i can think of off hand. :)01:02
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SeijurroWhenever I try to install kubuntu off the CD, I get to the 5th step where it asks to partition the drive to install kubuntu. I try to use the first option and it gives me an error saying "failed to get enough free space".01:02
VanessaEmike: not sure.  see, when I added gnome to my box, I just did a `sudo apt-get install gnome` and that as the end of it01:02
Dr_willisand try ubuntu-desktop01:02
Dr_willis!info gnome01:02
ubotugnome: The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. In component universe, is optional. Version 1: (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 44 kB01:02
Dr_willisive NEVER used apt-get install gnome. :P always ubuntu-desktop01:03
AbnaxosLooks like I missed something in session management. This is the script, that sets this configuration up: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/21992401:03
VanessaEwell I only have gnome here to handle the 2 or 3 programs I use that seem to benefit from it (abiword's print dialog comes to mind)01:03
gary_hi, I need some help, I'm trying to get my 2nd Hard drive to work, i'm able to mount it, but can't write to it?01:03
mike_Dr_willis:  u mean do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?01:03
Dr_willismike_,  thats how i always do it on kubuntu01:04
VanessaEgary: what filesystem is on it?01:04
Dr_willislike the first thing i install01:04
mike_Dr_willis: well i get the same error with that01:04
Dr_willisor visa versa - i install kubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu install01:04
Dr_willismike_,  now try it with 'aptitude install ubuntu-desktop'01:04
VanessaEcan you write to it as root?01:04
Dr_williswith a sudo at the front. :)01:04
gary_hold on, let me try01:04
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SeijurroAnyone got an answer for me?01:05
Whiz2Question about printers again...01:05
mike_Dr_willis:  that seems to be working, it says its resolving dependancies?01:05
VanessaEgary: if you can write as root (sudo touch /mountpoint/blah.foo) then you probab ly just need to change the perms of the directory where the drive is mounted (call the 'mount point')01:05
draikSeijurro, do you have enough space?01:05
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Dr_willismike_,  aptitude seems to try harder. :)01:05
mike_Dr_willis: well it just said it didnt find a solution and i selcted try harder01:05
Seijurro74.6 GBs free on a just freshly formatted drive01:05
SeijurroWith windows installed.01:06
VanessaEgary: ok01:06
Dr_willisSeijurro,  FORMATTED? formated by what?01:06
Whiz2gary you may need to edit your fstab. Do you want to have full read/write access to your 2nd hard drive?01:06
mike_Dr_willis: its not finding a solution01:06
Dr_willisSeijurro,  heh - whats your exact drive layout.. best to have ubuntu install to a section of unallocated drive space.01:06
VanessaEgary:  add a group to your system dedicated to accessing that drive.  e.g. groupadd extstorage  or similar01:06
gary_well it's mounted in /media/Storage01:06
Dr_willismike_,  thats pretty good messing it up that badly.  try aptitude dist-upgrade01:06
draikHave the install format the partition for you01:06
SeijurroDon't know how to do that so...01:07
VanessaEls -ld /media/Storage01:07
VanessaEcopy&paste the result here.01:07
VanessaE(should be one line)01:07
Whiz2yes if you have install format the partition for you, then you should be able to access it when you install linux01:07
mike_Dr_willis: dist upgrade didnt install anythign neew01:07
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Dr_willisSeijurro,  it wants its own part of the hard drive empty.. not part of C: thats empty..01:07
gary_drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2006-10-24 16:06 /media/Storage01:07
VanessaEok, that's why.01:08
Dr_willisSeijurro,  i normally use gparted on the live cd.. resize the existing partitions, ane leave part Unallocated.01:08
draikSeijurro, Whiz2 is right, works well if you let the install format it for you01:08
SeijurroSo I have to create another partition for it then.01:08
Dr_willisTHEN let the ubuntu installer use the inallocated space.01:08
Whiz2My printer question... When sharing a network printer from a linux machine accessed from a windows machine, if I have a windows install CD for that printer, should I simply use that CD to install drivers for the printer?01:08
SeijurroI am hoping to dual boot though.01:08
Dr_willisWhiz2,  the windows machine will need drivers correct.01:08
mike_VanessaE:  were u tellign me to copy and paste results?01:08
draikI dual boot and it's not all that hard01:08
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VanessaEgary:  what you need to do is give your user account access to the drive.01:09
SeijurroI'll check it out.01:09
VanessaEto start with, add a custom group to represent it, such as extstorage   (sudo groupadd extstorage)01:09
draikWhiz2, Install the drivers and then locate the printer on the network01:09
VanessaEthen, add your user account to that group ('vigr' and search for the group, should be at the end of the list)01:09
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Whiz2VanessaE: couldn't he just change the mask of the drive to allow all? (or is it the linux system drive?)01:10
mike_how can i change to gnome from kde?01:10
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VanessaEWhiz: sure he could, but that's technically the 'wrong' way to do it01:10
SeijurroI tried partitioning before and it killed my windows.01:10
Whiz2That's how I did it, but I did it so that all network users could have the same rights to the drive01:10
gary_vigr: Couldn't lock file: Permission denied01:11
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VanessaEafter you add yourself to that group, you'll need to change the permissions and ownership of the drive's mount point:   chmod 1775 /media/Storage ; chown root:extstorage /media/Storage01:11
Whiz2mike_: Did you start out with gnome, then switched to kde?01:11
VanessaEsorry, you need to sudo all of these commands01:11
mike_Whiz2: no01:11
VanessaE(or sudo -i to go root, and then run them as written above)01:11
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Whiz2mike_: I'm not sure, but you could try sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop01:11
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mike_Whiz2: didnt work01:12
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VanessaEgary: does that make sense?01:12
Whiz2mike_: hang on I know who to ask...01:12
mike_Whiz2:  k thnaks, i would apreciate it01:12
mike_lol my b i shoudl have re-read what i typed in before asking you01:13
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gary_yeah, then what do i do in vigr01:13
keirozdo you epeak in portuguese?01:13
VanessaEgary: go to the bottom of the file.  do you see the group you just added?01:13
Whiz2mike_: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop01:14
mike_Whiz2:  didnt work01:14
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VanessaEok, now, do you see how other users names appear at the end of some lines?01:14
keirozhauhauhauh sacanagem01:14
VanessaEmaybe your own on a couple of places?01:14
keirozt boiando!!!01:14
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VanessaEok, do the same thing with your username01:15
unix_infidelis tehre anyway to make a bash script use read and have the subsequent prompt input appear as "*'s" on the screen?01:15
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VanessaEjust add it to the end of the line.01:15
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mike_Whiz2:  any more ideas?01:15
Whiz2mike_: you need to enable all of your repositories (including the new ones) or insert your kubuntu CD, then try again01:16
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gary_it won't let me type anything01:16
mike_Whiz2: how can i enable all my repositories, just un comment everyhting in the source list?01:16
SeijurroI'm trying to partition the windows partition and it says that I have three bad sectors01:16
VanessaEgary: ok, hit the i key and then try again01:17
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mike_Whiz2:  ye sno maybe so?01:17
VanessaE(sounds like you ended up in vi :(  )01:17
Whiz2mike_: do it the easy way. If you insert your kubuntu CD into your cd drive, then type the command I gave you, it should install gnome01:17
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mike_i am not sure where my cd is01:18
mike_Whiz2:  not sure where my cd is01:18
mike_Whiz2:  can i just uncomment ervery thing01:18
VanessaEgary: alternatively, hit escape then q! (with the exclamation point) to abort the vigr command.01:18
Whiz2can you send me a copy of your sources.list file please?01:18
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ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:18
Whiz2does that include the new repositories?01:19
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gary_this editor sux, wher is the file located and i'll edit it01:20
SeijurroWhiz2: I'm trying to partition my windows partition, but it keeps saying I have three bad sectors.01:21
VanessaEgary: did you exit from that editor already?01:21
VanessaE(you're not supposed to directly edit the file)01:21
cpk2Whiz2: what new repos?01:21
gary_yes what next01:22
VanessaEgary: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano01:22
VanessaEand then do the vigr command again01:22
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VanessaE(`sudo vigr` that is)01:23
redphoenixanyone know when a package for Firefox 2 is coming?01:23
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brianwhiCan anyone help with installing vmware tools into a kubuntu vm?01:23
gary_much better!!01:23
VanessaEdid it spawn nano this time?01:23
VanessaEok, you know what to do.01:24
gary_yes, got it01:24
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gary_now the permissions?01:24
VanessaEnot yet.01:25
VanessaEnext, you need to restart X to make that group change take effect.,01:25
SeijurroCan anyone help me?01:25
VanessaE(because X sources the groups file only at startup)01:25
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gary_wait, how do i save in nano?01:25
redphoenixctrl-X exits01:26
VanessaEwronnnggg :)(01:26
VanessaEctrl-X saves *and* exits01:26
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areagtv1I have a question, i would like to do a FFmpeg for FLV but when i convert a movie, there no sound, have you a link for this probleme ?01:26
VanessaEgary: just keep whatever filename it offers01:26
Fureshookay. FF2 is out. how do i upgrade my copy of FF to 2 (i got now)??01:27
redphoenixyeah I'm trying to figure out the same thing Furesho01:27
gary_now just ctrl-alt-backspace?01:27
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VanessaEyep, that's enough to force a[n ungraceful]  restart of X.01:28
Fureshosucks to be us :\01:28
gary_ok brb01:28
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cpk2try a kdm restart01:29
cpk2or not01:29
VanessaEsame diff, pulls the rug out from under KDE :)01:29
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gary_I'm back01:30
redphoenixFuresho, I was trying to find out in here weeks ago when RCs were out for it, and didn't get an answer back then, so I'm really not expecting to get an answer now, either01:30
Fureshoi think i found somethin on digg. one sec.....01:30
Fureshodang. that's on fedora, though.01:31
Fureshodon't know if that would be safe01:31
VanessaEgary: ok01:31
VanessaEnow, id.01:31
VanessaE(just the two letters)01:32
redphoenixif an updated package were out, it'd be so much easier :-D01:32
VanessaEnot sudo, just as your normal user.01:32
VanessaEdoes it show your new group?01:32
gary_uid=1000(gary) gid=1000(gary) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),113(admin),1000(gary),1001(extstorage01:32
gary_sorry, yes01:33
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cpk2alright i cant use the left arrow to scroll to the left in bash anymore01:33
gary_so should it work?01:34
VanessaEnow: sudo chmod 1775 /media/Storage01:34
caseyomahOkay, I'm trying to help debug this Linux print server to samba issue.01:34
VanessaEand:  sudo chown root:extstorage /media/Storage01:34
cpk2i'm angry01:34
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VanessaElast but not least, then un/remount the drive and see if it worked.01:35
VanessaEwhat's wrongcpk?01:35
Whiz2the printer is printing junk, unless I unplug it, uninstall it, then plug back in& reinstall... this only happens after I try installing it on a remote PC01:35
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cpk2i fixed it01:35
cpk2dumb mistake on my part01:35
Whiz2and in windows, I get the error (Access denied unable to connect)01:35
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caseyomahI'm thinking there's an issue with the PS filter and the Windows driver BOTH being run before being sent to the printer.01:36
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gary_thanks VanessaE it works great!01:37
caseyomahOkay, summary: M$ box running distro Win drivers connecting to printer on linux CUPS server through samba.01:38
Whiz2telling Linux that it's a local printer is correct when installing it right?01:38
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tony_How can I copy files in Konqueror as root?01:38
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cpk2kdesu konqueror01:38
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tzones2006hi I have a question regarding configuring xorg for twinview to TV using vide card(GE FX5500)01:40
Whiz2also even after downloading cups drivers for windows, and putting them into a specified directory for exporting, Linux still tells me there are missing drivers01:40
Whiz2when I go to export that is01:40
tzones2006do you have a sample xorg.conf for it?01:40
VanessaEtzones: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28162/01:41
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VanessaEthat should help you out (from my husband's /etc/X11/xorg.conf  for his nvidia and monitor+tv combo.01:41
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tzones2006thanks Vanessae I'll try01:42
VanessaEinsert that segment into your xorg.conf in place of the existing "Device" section (back up your original xorg.conf first)01:42
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tzones2006is that the one in the text area I need to copy?01:43
tzones2006the second one01:43
VanessaEthat's easier to copy than the brown/tan part.01:43
Whiz2What resources are you looking at casey?01:44
caseyomahI'm not.01:44
caseyomahJust you need to set it local to make linux work it.01:44
Whiz2or are you just waiting for me? lol01:44
silvaniahow can i remove a partition in kde?01:44
VanessaEtzones: expect to tweak that stub a bit to match your box of course.01:44
silvaniaor create partitions... the system settings thingy dont work in admin mode.01:45
Whiz2waiting for it to finish rebooting since it froze & I had to terminate it01:45
caseyomahsilvania: cfdisk (command line)01:45
VanessaEbetter you should use cfdisk from a command prompt.01:45
silvaniaaaah cool, thats the one i was looking for01:46
caseyomahsilvania: cfdisk /dev/hd* (*=a,b,c,d...)01:46
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silvaniacfdisk sda worked :)01:46
caseyomahsilvania: Works on SCSI too... (USB considered SCSI too)01:47
silvaniahmmm whats the filesystem type for ext3?01:47
silvaniaits a 300gb drive sata01:48
caseyomahsilvania: I haven't looked. It lists just before it asks.01:48
silvaniayeah but the "Linux Extended" means ext3?01:49
VanessaEbut you can use that if you want01:49
VanessaEext3 = ext2+journal01:49
caseyomahIt should be Linux Extended Journalized...01:49
silvaniaah okay, its good for that type of size?01:49
caseyomahsilvania: The only difference between ext2 and ext3 (that I know of) is the journal, so the fs max size would be the same.01:50
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jontechey guys... 'someone tell me where the firefox cache is?01:52
Whiz2I think part of the problem was I was using wrong linux drivers... found the right ones and linux is requiring me to install "gimp-print"01:52
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jontecI need to get at some of the pictures...01:53
jonteclike a lot of 'em... like all of 'em01:53
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maverickhey peeps! any idea how to stop "Checking file system" in the boot...it delays my boot progress by 5 sec i guess01:58
maverickor mor01:58
VanessaEthat's a necessary step01:58
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maverickit checks my fat32...(Yes fat32, my sis shares the same pc) and it takes time...01:59
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wildchildI can't install macromedia flashplayer:02:00
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wildchildNOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the02:00
wildchild      components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.02:00
wildchildany ideas02:00
maverickany ideas how to remove, u mean?02:00
wildchildum, yes02:00
Dr_willisInternet propels Weird Al's album into Billboard Top 1002:01
maverickwell, sudo mv fielname anothername02:02
maverickrename it02:02
maverickdon delete it02:02
lters_so, no t60 users here ?02:02
mavericki don't know wht it mmight be fore02:02
maverickjust in case02:02
VanessaEDr: sadly, Al gets less per album sold over the net than he gets for physical media...go figure.02:03
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Dr_willisI bought his cd. :)02:05
Dr_williswell the cd+dvd combo.02:05
Dr_willisSort of neat that its a cd on one side and a DVD on the other.02:05
Dr_willisand I cant even find most of his albums now. :( cant find the boxed set either.02:06
Dr_willismore news --> Important Notice: Lik-Sang.com Out of Business due to Multiple Sony Lawsuits02:06
Dr_willisthat sucks.. :(02:06
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Dr_willishmm..  Ubuntuclips.org02:15
Dr_willisThis site is for everyone who is new to Ubuntu.02:15
Dr_willisHere you will find short video clips that highlight Ubuntu's features and demonstrate how to complete common tasks using Ubuntu.02:15
cellofellowCan anybody help me with print drivers.02:15
turbojugendhi all, I am using beryl and i am getting ugly white swuare shadows, any idea how to fix that?02:15
cellofellowDr_willis: no kubuntu though.02:15
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Dr_willisYep.. just saw mention of that site.. nifty idea.02:16
Dr_willisjust gave a friend a Ubuntu edgy cd today.. :P looking up some links for him02:16
cellofellowDr_willis: know anything about print drivers? I can't get hpijs or postscript to work.02:17
Dr_williswhat kind of printer?02:17
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule02:17
cellofellowDr_willis: HP LaserJet 1100 over Samba. (client)02:17
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule02:17
Dr_williscellofellow,  you got it on a windows machine?02:18
cellofellowDr_willis: yes.02:18
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Dr_williscan you see the printer from linux? just cant get the drivers right?02:18
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cellofellowDr_willis: that's right.02:18
turbojugendhi all, I am using beryl and i am getting ugly white square shadows, any idea how to fix that?02:18
stodgeHi folks. What do I need to install to play AIF audio files?02:18
NicolaeQuestion: Can you reset an SATA drive from PIO0 to UDMA without rebooting?02:19
Dr_williscellofellow,  interesting....02:19
Dr_willis!find aif02:19
ubotuFound: fiaif02:19
Dr_willis!info fiaif02:19
ubotufiaif: An easy to use, yet complex firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.1-2 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 540 kB02:19
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Dr_willis:) thats not it.. lol.02:19
cellofellowDr_willis: one minute, let me get the error message.02:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about aif - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:19
Dr_williscellofellow,  i moved my printers to their own network-server/gizmo. no windows needed. lol02:20
Dr_williscellofellow,  i find the gnome-cups-manager easier to use at times then the kde printer manager02:20
stodgeHmm that's a shame02:20
enyawixcan i install a app from Edgy in Dapper02:20
cellofellowDr_willis: I'd like to do that.02:20
Dr_willisenyawix,  proberly not.02:20
enyawixthe app i want is not in Dapper :(02:20
NicolaeCompile from source?02:21
Dr_willisUpgrade to edgy02:21
cellofellowDr_willis: Is there a way to set up use of the CUPS web interface?02:21
enyawixedgy stable yet?02:21
Dr_willisIts to be released in like 4 days02:21
enyawixUpgrade for to get one app02:21
Dr_willisim using it now. :)02:21
cellofellowWhen's the release date?02:21
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases02:21
Nicolae26 October, I think.02:21
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Dr_willisIf it aint stable now.. theres going to be a LOT of issues next week. :)02:22
Dr_willisI did a clean install of rc1 of it - just yesterday02:22
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cellofellowDr_willis: Teh web interface to cups is kind of disabled.02:23
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enyawixhow do i upgread i do not want to download a iso02:26
enyawixi want a working install02:26
enyawixi have* a working install02:26
Dr_williscellofellow,  correct it is  DISABLED02:26
Dr_williscellofellow,  they just dont really put that in big red letters like they should.02:26
Dr_willisYou can reenable it.02:26
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NicolaeCan you apt-get dist-upgrade yet?02:26
Dr_willisNicolae,  yes.02:27
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caseyomahDr_willis: From Dapper to Edgy?02:27
Dr_willisi perfer clean installs.02:27
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Dr_williscaseyomah,  people are doing it all the time in #ubuntu02:27
caseyomahDr_willis: Just clarifying.02:28
Dr_willisI still advise clean installs. :)02:28
Dr_willisMUCH less potential for hassles. Lol.02:28
caseyomahDr_willis: I know what you mean, but I haven't touched Edgy yet...02:28
caseyomahDr_willis: How big of a change is it?02:29
Dr_willisYea - i just instelled it yesterday..02:29
Dr_willisit has some very nice improvements in some areas02:29
Dr_willisof course new versions of about everything as well02:29
caseyomahDr_willis: Many interface changes, or just new features?02:29
Dr_willisif you got a lot of usb-drives - its nice how you can set up the fstab to mount them to specific places reguardless of the order they get seen in.02:30
Dr_willisGNOME is still gnome, and kde is still kde. :)02:30
Dr_willisnothing major there02:30
Dr_willistweaks and so forth mainly02:30
caseyomahDr_willis: How does that work?02:30
turbojugendhi all, I am using beryl and i am getting ugly white square shadows, any idea how to fix that?02:30
Dr_willisI aint messed with Upstart much yet..02:31
Homernew startup and shutdown engine02:31
Dr_willis# /dev/hdc102:31
Dr_willisUUID=31409968-3cc9-4313-a5c9-5f21be2a130a /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       102:31
Homermean ubuntu shuts down much faster then in dapper02:31
Homerand starts up a lil faster02:31
caseyomahOh, cool UUID mounting.02:31
Dr_willisthat UUID info comes from the udev stuff.. - you can use 'other' info other then uuid to mount things to diffrent places02:31
Dr_willislike the drive Label. :)02:31
Dr_willisi edited my usb drives to use the label.02:31
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caseyomahCoolness, I'm installing Edgy.02:31
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Dr_willisand the kernel-stuff is now a bit more streamlined.02:32
Dr_willisnot all thes 686-smp stuff.. its  more generic. so you have less to worry about02:32
Dr_willis2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP02:32
Dr_willisand your NTFS drives are now mounted sothey can be read by users... that will get rid of 1/2 the traffic in #ubuntu :)02:33
Dr_williswell bbl.02:33
caseyomahI just tried a dist-upgrade and it just upgraded my current packages...02:33
m4v3rick_guys, i ahev an inquiry...it's not imo but i just like to have it....when i used to use slackware whenever i fire my terminal it always greet giving away a random message ...how to enable it here in kubuntu's konsole?02:34
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VanessaEyou probably need fortune02:35
VanessaE(or bsd-fortune or whatever they call it)02:35
VanessaEand a line in your ~/.bashrc to run the program at every shell launch.02:35
caseyomahWhere can I get Edgy ISO? (CD and DVD)02:35
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m4v3rick_vanessae: thanks a lot.02:37
enyawixEdgy bug no reiser4 in kernel :(02:37
VanessaEreiser4 isn't official yet02:37
enyawixbut it has reiser4 tool wtf02:37
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VanessaEunless I missed the memo :)02:37
enyawixmake up your mind02:37
silvaniahmm... im having a problem making my new partition....."Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory"02:38
xsachayou can always put reiserfs, reiser 4 and ext4 in yourself... the last two will require kernel recompile though02:38
silvaniai made it in fdisk and now trying to do "sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1"02:38
enyawixxsacha i will and the bad ram patch :)02:39
cellofellowenyawix: no rieser4 in any kernel except custom ones.02:39
xsachaand ext4 is in 2.6.19 tree02:39
cellofellowanybody know what this means? I'm trying to use the postscript print driver:02:40
cellofellowUnable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Generic-PostScript_Printer,Postscript] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.02:40
cellofellowI am running as admin with KDESu so no permissions problems.02:41
silvaniaanyone has a good link to adding new disk to linux? all guides i try dont work02:41
cellofellowsilvania: plug it in, and add it to /etc/fstab ?02:43
NicolaeAnother question: SATA drives throw errors in kern.log.  Ratchets down to PIO0, continues until I dismount/remount it. Only happens when I try to transfer more than 5 gigs or so. Getting annoying. Compiled 2.6.18-mm3, so at least it doesn't lock the system up, but makes the drive pretty much unusable until reboot.02:43
cellofellowsilvania: you don't even have to edit fstab, kubuntu has a control module that edits it for you that's really nice.02:43
silvaniacellofellow: which is?02:44
cellofellowsilvania: Disks and Filesystems, under System Administration in System Settings.02:44
silvaniai cant get to mkfs with it.02:44
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cellofellowsilvania: mkfs? what's that?02:45
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xsachato make a filesystem :P02:45
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xsachamkreiserfs to make reiser fs. mkfs.ext2 or mke2fs or ext2/302:45
silvaniacellofellow: that utility is broken02:45
cellofellowsilvania: works for me. I guess I'm not doing anything to complicated.02:46
silvaniaOkay this is what I've done so far:02:46
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silvaniaI have created a partition "extended" with fdisk, /dev/sda1, but when i do: sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1, it says : Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory02:47
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cellofellowum, I guess I used to work. I hadn't checked it in a while. Don;t use it much. It is broken.02:47
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cellofellowsilvania: maybe try something like Gparted? I've used that without problems, it parts and formats things ok.02:48
NicolaeExtended partition would be sda5.02:48
NicolaeWell. The logical disc inside of the extended would be02:48
xsachawhen in fdisk, you should have used 'p' to see what it was called02:48
silvaniaokay can someone explain from scratch or something, im not getting ANY of this02:48
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xsachaafter making it, then you just 'w' to write it and then 'q' to quit and then mkfs should work fine02:49
cellofellowI never understood primary, logical, and extended partitions. Seeing as I've only got a simple desktop, I've got a primary root, primary home, and primary swap.02:49
silvaniahold on let me try02:49
cellofellowNicolae: isn't fdisk like really kind of old and low level?02:50
xsachai always use fdisk02:50
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cellofellowNicolae: cfdisk is better, right?02:50
Ahmuckis there a program in kubuntu that will allow me to look at information of a jpeg ?  someone sent me a picture they claim to have painted in a program, but i have my doubts.  it  appears to be to clost to a phtograph02:50
NicolaeNot sure, really. I've used either partition magic or gparted in the past.02:50
cellofellowAhmuck: maybe just drag the file's icon into the "Metabar" sidebar in Konqueror.02:50
silvaniaokay xsacha: sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1 gives me error still02:50
silvaniaxsacha: Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory02:51
xsachayes but it probably isnt called sda102:51
Nicolaetry sda5?02:51
xsachai asked you to do 'p' in fdisk to see what it was called, lol02:51
silvania./dev/sda1               1       36483   293049666   83  Linux02:51
cellofellowsilvania: ls /dev/sda* to see what devices you've got.02:51
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silvaniathats what is in the fdisk02:51
silvaniacellofellow: /dev/sda is only one02:52
cellofellowsilvania: gparted02:52
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xsachamke2fs -jv /dev/sda1   ?02:52
silvaniai dont have gparted02:52
cellofellowSo, anybody know why I can't use the postscript print driver?02:53
silvanialet me install it02:53
xsachasilvania: mke2fs -jv /dev/sda1   ?02:53
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cellofellowPostScript printer driver? Anybody? or maybe hpijs? I can't use my printer.02:55
Nicolaelpt, usb, or network?02:55
silvaniaxsacha: like i said.... Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory02:55
cellofellowNicolae: samba02:55
cellofellowdarn, i gtg02:56
Whiz2cellofellow: i'm still working on the issue myself. if i come up with a solution, i'll let you know02:56
NicolaeAh. No idea then, sorry.02:56
xsachathat makes no sense.. ls /dev/sda1 shows it but mkfs cant see it?02:56
rainmak23Hey all...pretty new to kubuntu...and I have a quick question.  I would like to install a pakage and all of the recommended packages with apt-get.  Is there a switch that I can use to install all the recommended packaages?02:56
silvaniaim gonna use gparted that looks sweet02:57
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xsachasilvania: only explanation i can come up with is you didn't 'w' -- can't think of any other possibility :S02:57
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silvaniaxsacha: im getting it to work with gparted02:58
silvaniaprobably some setting i can't get my head around and see02:59
silvaniaalso its a big disk, so trying 2 partitions.02:59
cpk2rainmak23: aptitude install -r02:59
xsachawell GParted and QtParted are just frontends to fdisk02:59
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xsachaand cfdisk02:59
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xsachaoh wait, nevermind, they're something else i think03:00
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silvaniaxsacha: yeah but for me its a bit easier with some more interface and view to get a overview of things, being linux newb and all03:01
cpk2cfdisk is still pretty simple03:02
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xsachathe gui ones dont give me enough options03:08
xsachahow can you set m% in there?03:08
xsachahave to tune2fs -m 0  after you make it in there03:08
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ErtainAnyone know of a good Bit Torrent client besides Azureus and Ktorrent?03:12
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caseyomahErtain: Opera03:12
VanessaEit's minimal, but workable03:12
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ErtainI don't want to get Opera for the sole purpose of downloading Torrents?03:12
ErtainEr, switch out the question mark with a period.03:12
Whiz2learn something new every day03:12
Jucatoseishinbyou-san! ohayou! :)03:13
Whiz2Opera is also a high quality web browser03:13
seishinbyouBoxy time 03:13
caseyomahErtain: It's a GREAT web browser too, Konqueror sucks in comparison.03:13
Jucatoseishinbyou: bleh I can see them now! hahaha03:13
VanessaEI much prefer opera actually03:13
VanessaE(over firefox)03:13
caseyomahseishinbyou: I can see them too.03:13
morphishErtain: then use azureus?03:13
Jucatolet's not get into browser wars please. thanks03:13
seishinbyouWell then 03:13
Jucatoseishinbyou: I can see them... doesn't mean I can read them lol :)03:14
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morphishseishinbyou: no boxes here , not that i understand japanese any better than boxes though03:14
VanessaEwait a sec, since when could IRC carry Japanese?03:14
caseyomahseishinbyou: I still see them all.03:14
seishinbyouSince... always03:14
seishinbyouJucato: I figured, but they are pretty squiggles in any case03:14
Jucatoseishinbyou: very pretty :)03:14
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seishinbyouThey are either pretty or bug splats03:15
morphishVanessaE: it can, it just does not handle them for channel names or nicknames03:15
seishinbyou < bug splat03:15
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seishinbyoufigures that is "yuutsu" (depression)03:15
morphishseishinbyou: good morning to you too though03:15
seishinbyouGood morning to you too03:16
mark_good morning03:16
mark_i have a problem regarding printer03:16
mark_we have 2 printers hp 1022n and 1320n03:16
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Whiz2Printers are the problem of the day03:17
mark_i have printserver runnning in 6.0603:17
Whiz2if you can solve the problem, let us all know. :-p03:17
mark_and may clients are windows03:17
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caseyomahmark_: Aren't those JetDirect enabled printers?03:18
mark_no sir03:18
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caseyomahmark_: I thought that's what the "n" meant.03:19
Whiz2well i'm haing the same problem with mine mark_03:19
mark_samba is already configured03:19
mark_the prob is03:19
caseyomahmark_: Same with Whiz203:19
satempleris there any thing in KDE/QT that is more recent thant qtparted03:20
mark_when printing in telnet client ( the telnet client is moccha soft) 1022n is properly working even i adjust the printer setting there03:20
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mark_but in 1320n max page it can print is only for 13-14 page03:20
mark_wat do u think the prob guys03:21
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mark_wat do u think the prob guys?03:21
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cpk2satempler: for some reason cfdisk seems to work better than the gui03:22
mark_do u have an idea there03:22
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satemplerI am looking for a KDE counterpart to gparted for things like non-destructive partioning03:23
Nicolaegparted runs in KDE.03:23
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silvaniahmmm how to associate content type "application/sdp" with vlc?03:23
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seishinbyouI tried running PartitionMagic through Wine, but that was just a silly test; I wouldn't actually try doing any partitioning through Linux that way03:24
satemplerya I still want somthing to partition drives via a GUI i mean why not03:25
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satemplerbut since qtparted hasn't been touch since 2004 improvements hasn't been made bug fixes not fixed03:25
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satemplera new one is needed for Fisty Fawn03:26
cpk2qtparted didnt like my sata so i just use cfdisk considering how simple it is03:26
satemplera KParted-Guidance if needed03:26
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satemplerwho would I ask to have somthing included in the comercial repo03:27
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satemplerLaCie (i think thats the name) has come out with LightScribe Linux support03:28
seishinbyouNo idea on that one...maybe ask around the official forums?  Does the wiki have any info?03:28
JucatoIt's something that Canonical decides, I guess03:28
seishinbyouLaCie?  (my notebook is a LaVie)03:28
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satempleras long has it has the LightScribe Sticker on it your good03:30
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seishinbyouhaha, this is hilarious, one of the office workers is getting chewed out over his presentation because the managers are complaining the "pinstripe" look on everything is giving them a headache03:34
seishinbyouTime to go switch themes on him...remotely03:34
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seishinbyou...and noone knew what just happened.  Plain blueish/greyish theme ahoy03:36
Jucatoseishinbyou saves the day03:36
seishinbyouBut I don't get any money for that :/  Not even a gold necklace to add to a collection like Mr. T03:36
Jucatosayonara! time to reformat and repartition. bwahahaha!03:37
seishinbyouGood luck03:37
Jucatothanks! I'll need it :)03:37
Jucatocan't decide whether I should reinstall Dapper or install Edgy already...03:38
Jucatooh well... Edgy it will be03:38
xsachaim having a problem with sound in videos (in flash) -- the sound is ahead of the video :(03:38
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Clinton__What's a good CPU monitor for KDE's applet panel?03:39
seishinbyouMany I know on Windows, Mac, and Linux experience the synching issue03:39
caseyomahwhat is the command line to burn iso [file]  to cdrom drive [dev] ?03:40
xsachai dont get that problem on CRUX or windows03:40
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xsachafirst time i've had this problem :( on kubuntu03:40
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seishinbyouIn your sound settings, are you using ALSA?03:40
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seishinbyouI had a nasty lag issue when using wine before.  I tried setting it to OSS, but that caused the audio to be choppy/poppy03:41
xsachaoh wait, does firefox start up artsd?03:41
xsachalike noatun03:41
seishinbyouWhat did I do...hmm, I can't remember anymore... something with double buffering?03:41
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xsachais there a setting in firefox? or it just uses alsa because that's what i set it as03:41
intelikeyis there any good templates for spread sheets? kspread maybe?     package?03:41
seishinbyouI believe is uses your system setting, so ALSA by default I think03:42
xsachawhat is a template for a spreadsheet? :S a title, etc?03:42
seishinbyoucaseyomah: Does k3b not work?  Or would you prefer a curses client?03:42
caseyomahintelikey: For what?03:42
seishinbyouDoes OO come with built in templates?03:43
xsachanot sure03:43
xsachaill check03:43
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caseyomahseishinbyou: I think I overfilled my root (/) and can't get K3b to open, curses would be fine.03:43
xsachayes it does03:43
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xsachaopenoffice spreadsheet has all these templates for letters, etc. about 10 different ones03:43
ricanelitehow can i change dapper to edgy so i could download edgy03:44
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intelikeycaseyomah mortgage calculation  pie charts you know. the whole shmeer03:44
xsachaand you can customise your own03:44
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ricanelitei know i enter a command in the terminal which it open a edit program and i replace dapper with edgy and selected replace and thats it03:44
intelikeyxsacha k i'll look.03:45
xsachawait another day rican.. edgy final released tomorrow03:45
caseyomahintelikey: Linux tends to be more of a "do it yourself" environment...at least until recently.03:45
ricanelitewell thats why im asking03:45
ricanelitebecause i will like to write it down03:45
ricanelitebecause i looked in my calendar and it should be release on thursday03:45
intelikeycaseyomah but templates are good for the "do it your selfer"03:45
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seishinbyoucaseyomah: cdrecord dev=/media/cdrom speed=4 -v imagename.iso  ?03:46
intelikeyricanelite yes but wedensday has already started...03:47
caseyomahThat looks about right.03:47
ricaneliteoo well im here in the states! So im still in tuesday night03:47
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seishinbyouYour mileage may vary.  I tend to use k3b more than a command line these days03:47
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Homerso edgy fixed the kmenu bug?03:48
cpk2intelikey: what timezone is ubuntu using?03:48
xsachawhich kmenu bug?03:48
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cpk2is it being released midnight utc on thursday?03:48
intelikeycpk2 prolly gmt or -1 or 203:48
intelikeyoops +1 or 203:49
digivorecan someone upgrade to edgy? or do they have to totally redo the system?03:49
cpk2because for me thursday is still 2 days away =P03:49
intelikeycpk2 lol03:49
Homerxsacha: that some/most packages do not add icons into kmenu until kde is restarted03:49
intelikeydigivore yes upgrade is recommneded03:49
Homerthis behavior is contrary to the gnome version03:49
cpk2you dont need to restart kde to have things put into the kmenu03:50
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intelikeyHomer   kbuildsycoca  --incremental03:51
satemplerdigivore: yes you can03:51
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Lord_RageQuestion: If I make a separate partition, and put the installerfor Kubuntu on it, would I be able to install it on the other partition.  My Laptops CD drive is borked03:51
xsachai dont restart my computer till i need to switch OS :P03:52
satemplerin Kubuntu change every dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/source.list03:52
satemplerthen do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:52
intelikey!install > Lord_Rage03:52
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ricanelitesudo: /etc/apt/source.list: command not found03:52
intelikeysatempler update first.03:52
kyle_i have a question...03:52
ricanelitethats the what i get03:52
satemplerthat right for got03:53
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues03:53
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kyle_i install ati drivers for radeon 9550, and set it up for xorg//03:53
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intelikeyricanelite of course you get that.  /etc/apt/source.list is not executable03:53
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intelikeyand if it was it wouldn't do much...  hehhe03:53
kyle_than my remdering is all goot ati...03:54
ricanelitewell i typed in sudo03:54
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xsachasudo just runs it as equivalent to root03:54
kyle_restart its good03:54
intelikeyyes but sudo what ?03:54
intelikeyrestart ?03:54
kyle_check fglrxinfo again and its switched back to mesa03:54
xsachayou should try: sudo kate /etc/apt/source.list03:55
kyle_now i cant get the ati back...03:55
kyle_and mesa3d is on, im stuck and03:55
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intelikey!ati > kyle_03:55
intelikeyhopefully there is some help there.....03:56
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto03:56
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xsachalol? he sent it to you in pm and then you send it here03:56
Whiz2caseyomah: These drivers print nicer03:56
intelikeyxsacha irc is a hard thing to get used too,   i guess.....03:57
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caseyomahCool, what about samba clients?03:58
Whiz2rebooting first just for the hell of it03:59
caseyomahWell, I'm upgrading to Edgy from repositories.04:00
bLaZeDis there a set date for edgy to be officialy released?04:00
Whiz2decided to do the upgrade huh?04:00
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule04:00
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule04:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fawn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:01
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about frisky - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:01
Homerwhat happen :p04:01
intelikeyor  !opps maybe04:01
Homerno more fiesty fawn? :(04:01
bLaZeDnice this thuersday04:02
bLaZeDor h/e u spell it04:02
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intelikeywhat differance does order make ?04:03
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black_13when i lauch adept i get this warning that none of the changes will stick because im not admin04:05
hazard2ok, is there a command to manually put the screen to sleep?04:05
hazard2maybe though X11 or something?04:05
rawrness_kdesu adept work black?04:05
black_13hows that?04:06
xsachaalt+f2 and then type: kdesu adept_manager04:06
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hazard2anyone know how I can manually tell x11/KDE to turn off the screen?04:07
black_13xsacha adept_manager not found04:07
hazard2powersaver settings in the system configuration won't stick, or when they do, they don't do anything04:07
avutonIs flash 9 in apt (sorry, new guy :))04:07
xsachatry: kdesu adept04:08
black_13xsacha it brings up adept04:08
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xsachain admin mode too :)04:09
black_13xsacha how would i tell04:09
black_13i sorta have used debian but ubuntu is new flava for me04:09
xsachathe window will be coloured differently.. but because you used kdesu, it's admin mode04:09
xsachaanything you use kdesu on04:10
rawrness_i am going to upgrade04:10
rawrness_and i am goign to do it right this time.04:10
rawrness_or else someone dies04:10
hazard2anyone on screen sleep?04:10
BonBonTheJonhazard2: you mean have the screen turn off04:11
hazard2yea, I can't do so manually (its a vaio, that powers the scree)04:11
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rawrness_I know what il do04:11
rawrness_il install ubuntu and use that to upgrade04:11
hazard2and the power saver won't do anything/work at all04:11
black_13xsacha ok im trying to install qt3-examples ... i have scrolled down click on install then what?04:12
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BonBonTheJonhazard2: my HP turns the screen off based on the screensaver04:12
hazard2no, dmps off (actually off), not just display something else04:12
xsachait will install and that's that04:12
hazard2I was hoping to get the backlight off too04:12
xsachamine too04:12
black_13no other button to click because nothings is happening04:12
xsachablack_13: you clicked install? it should say installed now04:12
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xsacha*sigh* where did you click install?04:13
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xsachado you see Apply Changes up the top?04:13
black_13i did now the application is frozen! awesome04:14
xsachayou click apply changes and it installs04:14
hazard2debian running no windowserver at all can turn off the screen (and does so by default)04:15
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hazard2(in the way that I want too)04:15
xsachamine does too hazard2...04:15
hazard2yours what?04:15
hazard2debain? or kubuntu?04:15
xsachaturns off the monitor after time04:15
BonBonTheJonhazard2: sorry, mine worked out of the box04:15
hazard2Oh, I see, that's how it is.04:15
hazard2I'm eternally cursed to have all the hardware nothing supports.04:16
black_13you know if i could xorg with debian sarge i would go that way04:16
hazard2A fan controller, minus the control, a monitor that won't EVER turn off....04:16
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BonBonTheJonhazard2: I found this http://www.cantrip.org/toshiba-m45.html if you want to look through and see if it has any idea04:17
hazard2I suppose that's what I get for throwing together a pile of parts that could be mistaken for an operational machine....04:17
xsachahazard2.. would suspend work for you?04:17
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xsachayou can stick "suspend" in schedule04:17
xsachaor hibernate04:17
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hazard2I dunno, maybe04:18
hazard2hibernate would be awsome.04:18
hazard2(suspend to ram correct?)04:18
hazard2suspend to disk?04:18
xsachathink so04:18
xsachasuspend takes option -f04:18
hazard2to what?04:19
xsachaoh here it is hazard04:19
xsachai found it04:19
intelikeyman suspend04:19
intelikeyNo manual entry for suspend04:19
xsachaSwitch off monitor after: 45 minutes04:19
xsachago into System Settings->Monitor & Display04:19
hazard2THe one in the system control?04:19
xsachaPower Saving04:19
hazard2That one dosen't work.04:19
hazard2It either won't remember the setting, or dosen't do anything to begin with.04:20
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hazard2(even if entered as admin)04:20
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xsachait's enabled and try 1 minute?04:20
xsachaand leave for a minute. what happens?04:20
dragonflysevenhazard2: You are trying to hibernate?04:20
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xsachahe's trying to get monitor to turn off04:21
hazard2Or turn off a display with DMPS (so the backlight is off)04:21
hazard2I'd prefer DMPS but if hibernation is easier04:21
xsachapower saving turns my monitor off just fine, what happens when you set it to 1 minute and then leave for a minute/04:21
hazard2it says on04:22
hazard2and nothing happens04:22
xsachais it still on 1 minute now?04:22
dragonflysevenEdgy has hibernate built into the log out menu.04:22
hazard2though by now it probably reset it self again04:22
hazard2this is dapper04:22
xsachareset itself?04:22
dragonflysevenYeah, that is a problem.04:22
xsachacheck what it is now hazard204:22
hazard2I'll set it, then check back a while later, and the options are unchecked and defaulted.04:23
xsachaadministrator mode first04:23
hazard2Either way it dosen't matter.04:23
xsachait shouldnt be reseting unless you arent using admin mode04:23
hazard2that's new, its not enabled, but its set to 3 hours, something I *KNOW* is neigther the default or something I set it to04:24
xsachakdesu systemsettings to make sure04:24
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xsachasounds very unlikely that it is random setting itself off and to some weird hours04:24
BluesKajDoes anyone have an updated Edgy Sources List ?04:24
xsachause kdesu systemsettings to make sure, then turn it on and 1 minute.. close the window and go away for a minute04:25
xsachatell me if it's still on04:25
hazard2ok, set to one minute, going to brush teeth04:25
xsachaactually try this please04:25
xsachado kdesu systemsettings04:25
xsachadont click administrator mode04:25
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hazard2when *I do that, admin mode isn't an option (its defaulted adminy)04:25
hazard2(on timer now)04:26
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hazard2no affect04:28
hazard2been waiting 2minutes04:28
xsachajust came back, my monitor was off :P04:29
xsachacheck what it is set at now hazard2 in display04:29
hazard2I hate you (in the good way I suppose, vs the actually hating)04:30
BluesKajsorry intelikey, was gone for a few and missed it04:30
hazard2it stayed 1min, but I didn't close the window04:30
intelikeystill want it ?04:30
BluesKajyes pls04:30
xsachait wasnt set04:30
hazard2(I DID press apply though)04:30
xsachaby the way you know you dont need admin mode to change it04:30
xsachatry changing it without admin mode -- i change it without using admin mode at all04:31
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hazard2on timer04:31
BluesKajdarn file wont accept04:32
xsachamonitor turned off here04:34
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hazard2Nope, nothing04:35
xsachaand you have it set as DPMS in xorg.conf right?04:36
hazard2It isn't taking the setting, -OR- however KDE thinks it can turn off the screen isn't working04:36
hazard2(that should be obvious shouldn't it?04:36
xsachaoh, set it as DPMS in xorg.conf04:36
draikAs far as changing the timer, just play with a time, apply, change the time, apply, go to your preference and then hit apply. It's weird like that but it's worked04:36
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hazard2I figured.04:37
RatKingDoes AIM run successfully under wine?04:37
hazard2How do I set DMPS in Xorg?04:37
hazard2RatKing: Just use one of the other clients.04:37
xsachaOption "DPMS"04:37
hazard2can someone give me the part of the XORG file I need to add?04:37
RatKingI don't like GAIM or kopete04:37
xsachain monitor section hazard204:38
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n8k99RatKing: that sounds like a big chunk of resources to run a single channel chat client04:38
draikRatKing, why not use GAIM or Kopete?04:38
hazard2he says he dosen't like them04:39
hazard2so what do I *LITERALLY* need to enter in xorg conf?04:39
xsachago to monitor section04:39
xsachaOption "DPMS"04:39
RatKingAre there other multi messenger programs?04:39
hazard2no = yes or anything?04:39
xsachanothing needed after it04:39
xsachadefault is yes when you place an optiopn04:39
hazard2should it go at the top or the bottom?04:40
draikRatKing, http://www.kde-apps.org04:40
xsachaanywhere within your monitor section04:40
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intelikeyxorg.conf is not order specific04:40
draikHas there been a release of a new version of Flash? Past 7 for linux, I mean04:40
hazard2sure it shouldn't go under the Screen subsecction display?04:40
xsachawhy would it go in screen? ^o)04:41
RatKingthey have flash 9 beta now04:41
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hazard2I have no idea.04:41
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draikRatKing, worth getting?04:41
xsachadefinately monitor, because it is in my monitor section04:41
hazard2I suppose I need to restart X right?04:42
dragonflysevenflash 9 is awesome04:42
RatKingI got it because some flash videos will only play with 904:42
hazard2be back04:42
dragonflysevenyou can watch some videos.04:42
dragonflysevenYeah, like metacafe04:42
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draikdragonflyseven, very well, I shall go get it. Is there a *.deb for it or how do I obtain it?04:42
draikHow/where do I get Flash 9?04:44
dragonflysevenLets see...04:45
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dragonflysevenThere was a way I did it.04:45
dragonflysevenWhat was it? *thinking*04:45
BluesKajanyone make any sense of this message? : Errors were encountered while processing:/var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6ubuntu1_all.deb04:45
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xsachahazard2, you've added it to xorg.conf right? now run this by a konsole: xset dpms force off04:46
intelikeyBluesKaj rm the package and try again.  looks like a foobar'd dl04:46
Random_Transitcan anyone tell me if firefox 2 is in the repos yet??04:46
xsachaif monitor turns off, it worked04:46
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hazard2Horay! That's probably the first time the screen going BLACK has ever been a GOOD thing.04:47
xsachayou just didnt have dpms on :P04:47
hazard2It seems so.04:47
dragonflyseven!flash 904:47
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html04:47
hazard2Stupid sony.04:47
dragonflysevenTry that link. I think that is what I did.04:47
hazard2(I'll just blame them, even though its not exactly their fault)04:47
draikRight, I got it from there, which one do I go with?04:48
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draikThe standalone or the other one?04:48
intelikeyBluesKaj any other errors ?04:48
hazard2really, its the installer's for not turning it on, figuring out exactly WHO to blame in that group is harder.04:48
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draikInstaller or standalone?04:48
hazard2so, anyway, good night all, thanks a bunch xsacha.04:48
draikdragonflyseven: Installer or standalone?04:48
BluesKajwhat's the remove command again ?04:49
intelikeysudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6ubuntu1_all.deb04:49
dragonflysevenUse the other one.04:49
dragonflysevenPut it in the mozilla plugins folder.04:50
draikHow do I install a tar?04:50
BluesKajok intelikey, it's gone04:50
dragonflysevenYou should be able to double click on it.04:50
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dragonflysevenAnd it will open in a window.04:51
intelikeytar -xf file.tar.gz ;cd file/  & read the readmes04:51
draikdragonflyseven, I just move the files to my firefox plugins?04:51
dragonflysevenDrag that into .mozilla/plugins04:51
dragonflysevenIts called libflashplayer.so?04:51
intelikeyBluesKaj run the command that got you that error the first time  see if it persists.04:51
intelikeyif so pastebin the whole output of the command.04:52
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BluesKajyes it does intelikey  ...I just tried installing samba and it came up again04:52
intelikeyk pastebin the full text04:53
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)04:53
draikI don't see my plugins for firefox04:53
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dragonflysevendraik: it is not in firefox.04:54
dragonflysevenit is in your home director, then .mozilla/plugins04:54
draikI don't have a ~/.mozilla/plugins directory04:54
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dragonflysevenAre you sure? The dot means it is hidden in the GUI.04:55
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de04:55
intelikeyand in the konsole04:55
draikI am sure04:55
xsachals -a ~   to show hidden04:55
dragonflysevenTry going view> show hidden files.04:55
draikI have looked with everything04:55
BluesKajintelikey, http://pastebin.ca/22025904:55
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xsachadont look, just type it in04:55
draikI did04:56
draikI typed ls -a and I don't have a plugins directory for my .mozilla04:56
draikI have .mozilla but no plugins04:56
xsachabut you found .mozilla?04:56
xsachaahh :)04:56
draiksorry, I was talking about the full path04:56
Homerwhat kde is on edgy04:57
xsachathat's fine04:57
xsacha3.5.5 Homer04:57
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Homero rly04:57
xsachai am using edgy rc1 and it is 3.5.504:57
Hawkwinddraik: So create the plugins directory04:57
draikok, just did04:57
intelikeyBluesKaj sudo apt-get install -f04:57
dragonflysevenrc3 (?) is 3.5.504:57
dragonflysevenNow put that .so file in it.04:58
draikand I dragged/dropped the flashplugin9.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugin04:58
xsachaok firefox flash will just 'work' now04:58
draikthat's it?04:58
xsacharestart browser of course04:58
draikno commands or such?04:58
intelikeyBluesKaj did you change your sources.list ?     and if so did you update apt so it would have the right databases ?04:58
Homeris khtml really improved since 3.5.2?04:59
draikThank you dragonflyseven, xsacha, Hawkwind. Much appreciated04:59
Homerlike proper ajax support04:59
xsachadon't know04:59
xsachawhat ajax site does it usually break on? i'll try it04:59
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Homerthey saying in 3.5.4 there was a "ton" of khtml fixes and in 3.5.5 they say so too05:00
Homertry digg.com05:00
intelikeykhtml ?05:00
xsachaHomer: 3.5.3 gave me perfect acid 2 pass.... 3.5.3 i am getting a glitch when i scroll in acid 2 test05:00
BluesKaji got a sources list from jende when i was updating to edgy from dapper . The sources you gave me are already in it05:00
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dragonflysevendraik: make sure it works before you thank us.05:01
Homeryeah but ajax more important then acid2 imo05:01
xsachawhen i use mousewheel a red dot appears05:01
draikit works05:01
draikThats why I thank you all05:01
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mark_can anyone help me regarding prntng05:01
xsachaHomer: what's meant to break on diff.com, i'm there05:01
intelikeyBluesKaj and you did   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   ?05:01
BluesKajintelikey, i got a sources list from jende when i was updating to edgy from dapper . The sources you gave me are already in it05:01
HomerI guess try digging something05:02
Homergoto comments and click "show comment"05:02
intelikeyyes i read that.05:02
Homerdigging doesn't automatically update in 3.5.205:02
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Homeryou have to manually refresh the page05:02
xsachai dont have a digg account, cant be bothered making one :P05:02
Homerk np05:02
Homerfirefox still works :P05:02
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BluesKajyes intelikey, i did the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade05:03
intelikeyBluesKaj what is the state of affairs now ?    still error or not ?05:03
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BluesKajyes same error , intelikey05:03
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xsachakonqueror always takes me to basic version of hotmail live.. i'm going to try changing agent string05:04
Homerapple basicallly writes khtml05:04
Kiongkuanyone tried using enlightenmet here?05:04
seishinbyouIs there a way to record a video stream from Skype for future reference short of pointing a video camera at the screen?05:04
Homerxsacha: does for FF too05:04
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Homermicrosoft hates everything but IE05:04
jbrouhardAnyone get flash working in Edgy ?05:04
xsachanot FF2.0.. FF2.0 took me to the good looking page perfectly first time05:04
dragonflysevenFlash 9 beta?05:04
Homergmail doesn't work properly with konq either05:04
jbrouhardany of em, dragonflyseven05:05
Homeragain cause of ajax bugs05:05
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jbrouhardi have flash 7 i think05:05
xsachawhat breaks in gmail?05:05
dragonflysevenYes, I do.05:05
intelikeyBluesKaj maybe sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)05:05
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dragonflyseven!flash 905:05
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html05:05
jbrouhardi do have that05:05
Homerinbox don't open05:05
dragonflysevenLook at that link, and download the one for linux.05:05
Homerattachments don't automatically update05:05
draikFlash 9 works great for me!05:05
draikThank you dragonflyseven, xsacha, Hawkwind. Much appreciated05:05
dragonflysevenHomer: have you tried firefox?05:06
jbrouharddragonflyseven: i have it now05:06
Homeryeah gmail works fine in firefox05:06
intelikeyBluesKaj and yes as one line.05:06
jbrouhardhowever, when i install it, it crashes firefox05:06
xsachainbox is working fine here.. what do i have to do for attachments?05:06
dragonflysevenNow put the .so in .mozilla/plugins05:06
jbrouhardno .mozilla/plugins ?05:06
draikcreate the folder05:06
Homerxsacha: do you have it pretending to be firefox05:06
dragonflyseven.mozilla is hidden.05:06
Homercause gmail serve different html for konq05:07
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dragonflysevenBut if there is no plugins make it.05:07
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jbrouhardI know that05:07
pussfelleranyone else having prob with the flash9 beta05:07
Homerbasically on FF, gmail works like an application, while on Konq it works like a website :P05:07
pussfellerit might just be google and utube05:07
xsachaby default, konqueror pretends to be firefox in gmail and google05:07
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xsachapreinstalled that is05:08
Kiongkutheres no flash 9 beta in the repos right?05:08
Homerhmm didn't do that for 3.5.2 cause gmail dedected right away that I was using konq05:08
jbrouhardpussfeller: I have major problems with flash9 beta and firefox05:08
jbrouhardand it's still not working, dragonflyseven.  I load a flash site, and firefox crashes out05:08
pussfellerjbrouhard: it runs for a while, and then stops...?05:08
dragonflysevenoh! I know how to fix that.05:08
pussfelleroh yers crashes?05:08
dragonflysevenGo to your xorg.conf05:09
jbrouhardit just loads for 2 seconds and then BOOM05:09
xsachaif i take agent string off it gives me 'basic' version :(05:09
dragonflysevenand change the default color depth to 2405:09
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pussfelleralsa works on flash9 tho, which is freakin great05:09
pussfellerso i have software mixing with it FINALLY05:09
Homersupport gnash05:09
MasterEvilAceWhat is the geekiest most knowledgable NETWORKING (linksys wireless shit) IRC CHAN? need help bad05:10
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DBOMasterEvilAce, whats wrong?05:10
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jbrouhardOkay dragonflyseven i'll brb05:10
intelikeyMasterEvilAce ##linux05:10
DBOwireless geeks dont use linksys =P  we use cisco... I mean.. they...05:10
intelikeybut only on fridays05:10
MasterEvilAcewell it's not linux related, purely Networking Access Points.. wireless.. etc. whatever. tons of info : http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1715003705:11
HawkwindMasterEvilAce: Have you tried #Networking ?05:11
HawkwindMasterEvilAce: Or even /msg chanserv list *network*05:11
MasterEvilAceHawkwind: nope, I figured it wouldn't be as simple as #Networking, but I shall try as well05:11
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HawkwindThat will give you all the channels with the word *network* in the name.  Make sure you use the *'s05:11
HawkwindMasterEvilAce: Seems it's probably #Network actually05:12
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Homerkhtml is rapidly developed which is nice05:12
jbrouhardflash works!!!!!!!!!!!!05:12
xsachaHomer: how does that attachment bug work out? by the way, it seems slower to click inbox in konqueror than it is in firefox.. otherwise everything looks the same05:12
jbrouhardThank you very much dragonflyseven!05:12
HawkwindMasterEvilAce: ##Networking is a channel too05:12
Homerxsacha: gmail is highly ajaxy05:12
Kiongkuhi hawkwind05:12
xsachayeah but i havent found a bug yet..05:13
HawkwindKiongku: Hey there05:13
xsachasite is just slower05:13
Homerit's really just one website with many ajax calls heh05:13
HawkwindKiongku: There are flash 9 deb packages though05:13
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Homermaybe they fixed it xsacha05:13
KiongkuHawkwind: hmm.. well anyway had u ever heard of enlightenment?05:13
HomerI was using 3.5.205:13
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rawrnessapt get is giving me a error05:14
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xsachaoh my Quick Contacts list shows no one in it... there's a bug05:14
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Homerand khtml is one of the most actively developed (if not the most) component of KDE05:14
xsachawell it shows people but their names are blank unless i hover my mouse over it05:14
rawrnesspkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.05:14
rawrnesslet me reword this05:14
rawrnessapt-get error  dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.05:15
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Kiongkutry do as it sadi o0?05:15
blooregardare there any SMP aware process monitors for the console that'll show which CPU a process is using?05:16
HawkwindKiongku: Of course I have.  I use E17 exclusively and package E17 debs for my repo that several users here use05:16
dragonflysevenBye all. Off to do homework.05:16
draikdragonflyseven, homework???05:16
KiongkuHawkwind: e17? it seems i did find it in the normal repos05:16
Kiongku*did not05:16
xsachawork he does at home draik ;): coding ;)05:16
dragonflysevenYep. 11th in highschool.05:16
HawkwindKiongku: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ and click on the Ubuntu Packages tab at the top of the page :)05:17
KiongkuHawkwind: hmm u mean the deb packages?05:17
HawkwindKiongku: Yes.  SoS is my repo site05:18
Kiongkuso here my question.. how u switch to enlightenment from KDE safely05:18
HawkwindInstall it, ctrl-alt-backspace and select E17 from the GUI login screen05:18
dragonflysevenAnyway, off to homework.05:18
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KiongkuHawkwind: k05:20
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xsachactrl alt backspace does nothing here :(05:20
Kiongkuehrm which one should i install?05:21
Kiongkuthe dapper e17 one?05:21
HawkwindKiongku: Are you running Dapper or Edgy ?05:21
KiongkuDapper for now.. guess its logical then05:21
Kiongkuwhat does deb-src means..05:22
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KiongkuHawkwind: still here?05:28
morphishdoes kubuntu deal ok with existing windows partitions/installs, i would like for it not to touch my grub, just to make sure it does not confuse windows, can i skip installation of grub?05:30
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HawkwindKing_Brad: Yes05:32
HawkwindKiongku: Yes, I'm still here05:32
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KiongkuHawkwind: why the package seems so big compared to the other one ._.?05:32
HawkwindWhat package ?05:32
Kiongkuur enlightenment .. oh well nvm05:33
Ahmuckmorphish: you only have windows on this machine ?05:33
Ahmuckcurrently ?05:33
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KiongkuHawkwind: whats ur personal review on it? better than KDE :P?05:34
HawkwindKiongku: Not sure what you're asking exactly.05:34
KiongkuHawkwind: nvm that question.. updating right now05:34
HawkwindKiongku: I don't use KDE at all.  I use E17 exclusively and have for over a year now05:34
Kiongkuah?.. on enlightenment right now o0?05:34
morphishAhmuck: no, there is an existing linux install on it, and windows, so i want to reuse the linux partitions and leave windows untouched (wife is getting her masters, her not being able to write her papaers might cause me to loose a few inches)05:35
HawkwindKiongku: Of course.  I don't use anything else, ever05:36
AhmuckO.o so you are going to overwrite your existing linux partitions ?05:36
KiongkuHawkwind: nice! i know who to buzz now for answers :P05:36
HawkwindKiongku: I'd strongly suggest hanging out in #E if you plan on using E17.  That's the channel where everyone who knows about the wm hangs out05:37
Kiongkudid not get much favorable response there05:38
Kiongkuoh anyway brb changing05:38
Homerzomg I'm using GNOME on Kubuntu05:39
morphishAhmuck: yes, i just don't want (k)ubuntu to touch my grub, windows is so fragile when it comes to mbr changing, and does weird stuff when you least expect it05:40
morphishHomer: sounds a little bit like a waste ;)05:40
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HomerI'm using mostly KDE programs tho05:40
Kiongkuhave to reconfigure stuff...05:40
morphishHomer: hell, send me some then05:41
Homerepiphany seem to load must faster on gnome05:41
KiongkuHawkwind: where do i go for keyboard shortcuts?05:41
Homeron kde it take like 5 sec05:41
Homeron gnome it load in like 1sec lol05:41
HomerI like epiphany :\05:42
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HawkwindKiongku: Left click and go to the Config Panel.  Everything in the world you need there for configuring E1705:58
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Kiongkuwhats the command code for running applications via shortcut keys?06:02
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Kiongku!flash 906:05
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html06:05
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ErtainI can't eject a disc from my drive.  I've tried using the eject command but it won't work.06:05
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)06:05
draikErtain, umount the drive06:05
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ErtainThat's what I tried; it wouldn't umount either.06:06
campbchanyone have any problems with the cursor selecting wherever it is periodically? i'll be typing or something in writer and it will spontaneously decide to click... i think it may be because of the touchpad sensitivity, but a) the post doesnt say anything about variable sensitivity, and b) i can't sudo synclient -l because it can't access shared memory....06:06
draiksudo umount /media/cdrom#06:06
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arunkaleOk.. I have a big problem. I seem to have done something that has made Firefox not work on my computer06:06
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draikarunkale, what specifically?06:07
arunkaledraik: I got some script from some site to upgrade to Firefox 2 RC206:07
campbch:( it's frustrating, i have to stop and reposition the cursor every time it does this, and sometimes it drags text along with it06:07
campbchalso, isn't the command to rebuild the kmenu kbuildsocy --incremental ?06:07
arunkaleand now Firefox 2 doesn't work, and neither does the old Firefox06:07
ironfroggyhas anyone here used FreeDOS to run a bios update?06:08
draikhave you uninstalled all firefox (save your bookmarks first!!!) and re-installed?06:08
arunkaledraik: Is there a way I can uninstall/delete whatever's there (Firefox) and do a fresh install06:08
ironfroggyim getting a weird error i cant figure out. "failed gzclose"06:08
draikapt-get remove firefox06:09
draiksudo apt-get remove firefox06:09
draikI think I'm missing an option there... let me check06:09
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Stoichello everyong06:10
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draiksudo apt-get remove -f firefox06:10
draikThat should do it for you arunkale06:10
draiksudo apt-get remove -f firefox06:10
arunkaleok thanks06:11
arunkalelet me try that :)06:11
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draiknp, arunkale06:11
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draikarunkale DON'T FORGET TO BACKUP!!!!!!!!!!!06:11
arunkalebackup what?06:11
ironfroggyanyone know where i could find a bootable DOS CD image?06:12
ironfroggyother than FreeDOS?06:12
draikyour bookmarks06:12
arunkaledraik: yeah, i got my bookmarks06:12
arunkaleok so how do i install firefox 2 now06:12
draikok, I always suggest backups prior to removal of anything06:12
draikapt-get install firefox06:12
draiksudo apt-get install firefox06:13
draikI keep forgetting  sudo  at the beginning06:13
arunkalethat'll install firefox 2.0?06:13
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draikif it's in your repos, yes06:13
arunkalehow do i get it in my repos :p06:13
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draikyour repos are located in   /etc/apt/sources.list06:14
draikYou need to have a place to add first06:14
draikyou need a source06:15
draikand then you add it to your source list06:15
christopherhi all. I'm trying to compile something with devIL, but the program I compiled can't find libIL.so.1, yet libIL.so exists in /usr/lib/local....I know i have to make a symlink or somthing, but I'm not sure what they are, or how to make one.06:15
arunkaledraik: i think it installed firefox, but i dont think i can run it06:15
draikhave you tried?06:15
campbchwhat is the command to rebuild the k menu?06:15
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campbchwhat is the command to rebuild the k menu?06:16
arunkaledraik: yes.. and when i run it using alt + f2, i get the following error:06:16
arunkaleKDEInit could not launch 'firefox'.:06:16
arunkaleCould not find 'firefox' executable.06:16
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campbchit's like kbuildysoc --incremental or something, but it is not working :o06:16
draikok, open up konsole and type          whereis firefox06:16
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arunkalegot some paths06:17
draikso it's installed06:17
arunkaleso why is it not running06:17
draikdid you already        sudo apt-get install firefox     ?06:17
ben_how hard is it to learn how to package?06:18
draikdid you get any errors? warning? successful install?06:18
arunkaleok i checked usr/bin/ in konqueror, and there is a lock icon on top of the firefox icon06:18
arunkaleand other software have the 'wheel' icon.. this just has some page or something with a lock06:18
draiknot a wheel, its a kog06:19
ben_im interested in helping kubuntu package...but i was just wondering how hard it is to learn06:19
draikor sprocket06:19
arunkalesorry :)06:19
nikonim trying to become a Ubuntero on Launchpad.net, how do i decrypt the email that is sent to confirm your pgp??06:19
arunkaledraik: do you want a screenshot?06:19
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draikmy firefox is a simple file, no lock06:20
dhqwhen is edgy gonna release06:20
draikdhq, this TH06:20
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule06:20
draik2 more days (here)06:20
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule06:20
dhqdraik: was supposed to be out tommoro06:20
draiklast I heard (yesterday) was TH06:21
campbchshould we all upgrade? is it smooth?06:21
campbchwhat's the general adoption rate of a new build?06:21
draikWho knows. AFAIK, Dapper Drake was going to be out 6/6/6, but came out 6/1/606:21
arunkaledraik: how do i send it to you?06:21
ben_edgy's been great for me06:21
arunkalesadly, i can't get edgy :(06:22
campbchwhat are the differences?06:22
ben_i installed after knot 306:22
campbchanything noticeable?06:22
draikarunkale, how ever you want... email, URL, whatever you have at your disposal06:22
arunkalecampbch: google for screenshots06:22
draikedgy is purple06:22
ben_umm....it shuts down alot faster06:22
dhqi love katapult06:22
dhqboots faster06:23
dhqdiffrent way of accessing the hdd using uuid06:23
nikoncan anyone help me with decrypting emails?06:23
ben_i think it looks nicer...trivial i know...but i like it06:23
draikI'll move to Edgy Eft shortly after its release... I want to make sure the bugs are worked out06:23
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dhqdraik: i am on edgy and i dint face much problems06:24
nikonsame here06:24
draikI've been using Dapper since 6/1/6... from anyone who has done a distro upgrade with Kubuntu, is there an issue upgrading distro?06:24
avutonMy wifes' on it, she hasn't hit anything yet06:24
nikonknot 3 hasnt really givin me much trouble06:24
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dhqdraik: i have dome the distro upgrade06:25
draikdhq, when you upgrade the distro, do you lose anything, other than the previous distro?06:25
nikonupgrades have never worked for me06:25
ben_so does anyone know how hard it is to made debian packages?06:25
dhqwell its like 3.5 weeks are over06:25
motorheadquite hard06:25
ben_or to learn...06:25
motorheadextremely hard06:25
motorheadnah, idk06:26
draikben_ go to #ubuntu-classroom and find the transcripts... they will show you how06:26
motorheadim just new to linux XD06:26
ben_thanks man06:26
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draikarunkale, you have a shortcut?06:27
draikI have the script06:27
draikyou only have the shortcut and firefox.ubuntu06:27
ben_how do i find the transcripts06:27
draikI have firefox the "wheel"06:27
arunkaleso what do i do to get the kog?06:27
draikben_ let me find you the link06:27
motorheadtalking bout firefox.. could you get jre working on 2.0???06:28
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draikben_ here you go... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts06:29
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draikthat's the link06:29
draiknow, it's #306:29
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Jucatohi draik06:29
draikJucato has a 1:1 transcript of the class06:29
Jucatodraik: no I don't06:29
draikI made the transcripts of just the instructions06:29
Jucatowhich class?06:29
draikHey there Jucato06:29
draikspeak of the devil06:29
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draikJucato, you're better at this... how do you completely remove firefox? CLI06:30
draikJucato, if you're the devil I made you!06:30
Jucatodraik: how did you install it?06:30
draikI am THE evil06:30
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draikJucato, not for me, for arunkale06:30
campbchafter i install packages, i have been needing to use a command to rebuild the K menu. i cannot remember what exactly this command is, but it is something along the lines of kbuildysoc --incremental, but this is not correct?  think it's typoed06:30
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arunkalehey Jucato :)06:30
Jucatocampbch: kbuildsycoca --incremental06:30
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Jucatohi arunkale06:31
arunkaleJucato: I seem to have a problem06:31
ubotufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins06:31
Jucatoarunkale: what is it? hope I can help...06:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about firefox2.0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:31
campbchkio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!06:31
motorheadfirefox2.0 ftw06:32
campbchwhat's it mean?06:32
Jucatocampbch: nothing. it's normal. ignore it06:32
arunkaleJucato: Well, I got this script on this site, to upgrade to Firefox 2.0.. i tried that, and it said that firefox 2 was installed, but i cant open it, neither can i open the old version06:32
Hobbseearunkale: try killall firefox, and try again?06:32
Hobbseearunkale: and move your profile out of the way?06:32
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arunkaleJucato: I tried to uninstall firefox, and reinstall it, but doesn't work06:33
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Jucatoarunkale: Hobbsee might know better. I haven't tried Fx 2.0 on Linux yet.06:33
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arunkaleHobbsee: I tried deleting the profile from etc/firefox/06:34
arunkaleit says access denied or something06:34
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Hobbseearunkale: the one in ~/.mozilla/firefox06:34
caseyomahWhat was Edgy ISO page again?06:34
ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule06:35
draikarunkale, here is the command you need to do...06:35
arunkaleHobbsee: it says the folder .mozilla does not exist06:35
draiksudo apt-get remove --purge firefox06:35
Hobbseearunkale: .firefox, sorry06:35
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule06:35
Hobbseei'm not sure what they call it now06:35
Hobbseecaseyomah: cdimages.ubuntu.com/ somewhere?06:36
Hobbseecaseyomah: it's nto yet been released06:36
arunkaleHobbsee: .firefox doesn't exist either06:36
caseyomahRight, <24 Hours away.06:36
draik.firefox won't exist06:36
draikit's .mozilla/firefox06:36
arunkaleand there's no .mozilla folder either06:36
Jucatoand it's in the home directory arunkale06:36
arunkaleso i'm guessing i'm in some deep shit06:37
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arunkaleyeah, Jucato, that's what i tried06:37
nikoncan someone help me with pgp decryption?06:37
arunkalenot working06:37
draik.mozilla is hidden. you won't see it. Do it in CLI06:37
arunkaleit says the folder doesn't exist06:37
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draikben_ did you find what you need?06:38
arunkaledraik: I'm looking at hidden files06:38
arunkalethere's no .mozilla06:38
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HawkwindIf you've ever installed mozilla or firefox, then you have a ~/.mozilla directory06:38
arunkaleI think I must have deleted it earlier06:38
Hawkwindarunkale: ls -la ~/.mozilla  Type that in a console as normal user and paste the outputs06:38
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TheUniin the newest edgy update, did they change the firefox logo back to the fox wrapping the world (old style)? did the debian vs. mozilla war finally pan out?06:38
TheUnicoz that's the logo i've got06:39
Hawkwindarunkale: If you start mozilla or firefox, it will re-create that ~/.mozilla directory06:39
TheUnijust noticed it changed06:39
arunkalels: /home/arunkale/.mozilla: No such file or directory.06:39
Hobbseewell, it's clearly not there06:39
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arunkaleHawkwind: I think I deleted it earlier in order to do a fresh install06:39
Jucatothat's weird...06:39
arunkaleand i reinstalled it, and there's no new directory created06:39
Hawkwindarunkale: So start mozilla or firefox, it'll get created06:39
HawkwindIt won't be there until you start the app06:39
arunkaleHawkwind: It's not starting06:40
Hobbseearunkale: try ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l06:40
Hobbseearunkale: what does it say?06:40
Hawkwindarunkale: It won't start from CLI ?06:40
arunkalei installed firefox, but all i get is a firefox shortcut in usr/bin.. there's no actual script06:40
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arunkalei tried running firefox using alt+f2, and i get this error:06:40
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arunkaleKDEInit could not launch 'firefox'.:06:40
arunkaleCould not find 'firefox' executable.06:40
Hobbseearunkale: where'd you install firefox from?  the repos?06:41
HawkwindHow did you install firefox ?06:41
arunkaleHobbsee: sudo apt-get install firefox06:41
=== bmo installed firefox 2.0 from the tar.gz in /usr/local
Hawkwindarunkale: In a terminal type:  mozilla-firefox   and pastebin the errors06:41
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Hobbseearunkale: try ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l <-- what does it say?06:41
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arunkaleHawkwind: it says command not found :p06:42
arunkalehold on06:42
HawkwindSo install it06:42
Jucatoheheh people who can't wait for the official Ubuntu Fx 2.0 :)06:42
arunkaleHobbsee: I tried your command, it outputs a 0 on the next line, and returns me to the prompt06:42
Kiongkuhey guys.. where should be the plugins directory for my firefox?06:43
Hawkwindarunkale: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox06:43
Hobbseearunkale: 0?  interesting.06:43
arunkaleHawkwind: I did install it using sudo apt-get install firefox06:43
draikKiongku, it's in ~/.mozilla/plugins06:43
arunkaleok we have an error06:43
Kiongkudraik: hmm i added the libflashplayer.so there but no result06:44
arunkalei'll pastebin it06:44
HawkwindKiongku: Could be in /usr/lib as well if you want the global plugins directory06:44
HawkwindKiongku: Did you restart the browser ?06:44
HawkwindKiongku: Why not just use the flash9 deb packages ?06:44
KiongkuHawkwind: think so06:44
KiongkuHawkwind: where is it.. i cant find it in my repos06:44
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)06:44
Kiongkuneed to add repos06:45
nikonCan soemone help me please??06:45
arunkaleHawkwind, Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28208/06:45
Hawkwindnikon: Ask your question06:45
KiongkuHawkwind: btw enlightenment does not seems to run synaptic as root?.. any solution06:45
Hawkwindarunkale: As I stated, install mozilla-firefox06:45
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bmohalf installed?  apt-get -f install06:45
HawkwindKiongku: sudo synaptic or kdesu synaptic from a terminal will run it as soot06:46
caseyomahI crashed an edgy dist-upgrade.06:46
bmonikon what's your problem?06:46
nikonHawkwind: trying to become a ubuntero on launchpad.net, set up my key and everything, but i cant figure out how to decrypt the email they sent me06:46
KiongkuHawkwind: hmm... the GUI cant handle it?06:46
arunkaleHawkwind: I already installed it!06:46
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HawkwindKiongku: Ummmmm, E17 is not a DE like KDE.  Get used to it not doing those goofy things06:46
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bmoarukkale: the error says you have it half installed.  sudo apt-get -f install06:47
Hawkwindarunkale: It's *not* installed, as that pastebin post clearly states06:47
HobbseeKiongku: use sudo synaptic06:47
bmoarunkale, even06:47
HobbseeHawkwind: mozilla-firefox is just a metapackage for firefox.06:47
KiongkuHawkwind: T_T k... seems like i'll be using CLI more..06:47
arunkaleHawkwind: Well, i tried sudo apt-get install firefox.. what else can i do06:47
HawkwindHobbsee: Right, but it doesn't matter if he installs mozilla-firefox or firefox, they will both work :)06:47
Dasnipa`Hawkwind, it seems like everyone is adressing you so i will too06:47
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Hawkwindarunkale: As bmo stated 2 times, sudo apt-get -f install06:48
arunkaleoh ok, thanks06:48
bmoarunkale: you have firefox _half installed_, you need to FIX the install, by apt-get -f install06:48
lotusleafHalloween is almost upon us, and you know that that means: clean out your closet of those spare Ubuntu Ship-It CDs you may have, duct tape a Snickers bar to them if you have to, just give them out!!06:48
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CuboidHow can I quickly upgrade GTK?06:48
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KiongkuHawkwind: whats the command line to bind an application to a shortcut key in the config?06:48
Jucatolotusleaf: kinda offtopic right now :)06:48
JucatoKiongku: is that for Kubuntu or for E17?06:48
HawkwindKiongku: No idea, I don't use shortcut keys at all.  Might ask in #E06:48
arunkaleah it seems to be working06:48
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Hawkwindarunkale: Of course it is :)06:49
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Jucatook, one problem solved... NEXT!!06:49
nikonok, im trying to become a ubuntero on launchpad.net, how do i decrypt the email they send me, after i upload my pgp key06:49
Kiongkulol.. u put icons?06:49
Jucatono you don't!06:49
arunkaleHawkwind: still the same error, when i try to run it from alt+f206:49
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HobbseeHawkwind: yes, but if you install firefox, then check if mozilla-firefox is installed, of course it will come back false06:49
HawkwindJucato: No can do, SportsCenter is coming on :P06:49
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)06:50
HawkwindHobbsee: I don't get that.  I've installed 'firefox' and dpkg -l mozilla-firefox shows me it's installed06:50
=== bmo never dealt with encrypted mail. what mailer handles encryption?
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Hobbseenikon: grab kgpg06:51
n8k99bmo:kmail can send mail that is encrypted by kgpg06:51
Jucatooh god this is so s2pid.. if only my Edgy knot 3 cd worked...06:51
arunkalei'm never going to use firefox again, am i :p06:51
Hobbseebmo: thunderbird, kmail, mutt, etc06:51
Hobbseearunkale: sure you are06:51
caseyomahbmo, It's not the mailer, you need to ungpg it, you gave them you gpg key so they could encrypt it with your gpg.06:51
Hobbseearunkale: what was the current problem?06:51
Hawkwindarunkale: I don't either.  I now use swiftfox :)06:51
arunkaleHobbsee: I tried fixing the installation by using sudo apt-get -f install firefox06:52
nikonall i need to know is how to decrypt the email i got06:52
CuboidCan somebody here tell me how to upgrade GTK?06:52
arunkaleHobbsee: I still get the same error when I try to run the program.. it doesnt run06:52
Hobbseearunkale: right, can you paste ls -la /usr/bin/firefox?06:52
Hobbseenikon: gpg --decrypt06:52
caseyomahnikon, bmo, you need to save the email to text and gpg --decrypt it.06:53
Kiongkuerr whats the public key for the repos given in !flash906:53
arunkaleHobbsee: i get this --   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2006-10-24 12:28 /usr/bin/firefox -> /opt/firefox/firefox06:53
HawkwindKiongku: It should tell you in the warning message.  You don't need it, you can ignore it06:54
Hobbseearunkale: that'll be why06:54
HawkwindYou installed firefox from source!06:54
arunkaleHobbsee: what?06:54
caseyomahKiongku, if you go to the repo's site then there are instructions for adding the key.06:54
HobbseeHawkwind: or it's just pointed there06:54
HawkwindWhy people don't use the deb packages.  This is a prime example of why you don't install from source :)06:54
HobbseeHawkwind: hush.  :P06:54
JucatoHawkwind: deb package for 2.0?06:55
HawkwindHobbsee: Carry on.  I'll go to bed :P06:55
Hobbseearunkale: can you run all these commands?06:55
Hobbsee sudo rm /usr/bin/firefox06:55
Hobbsee sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/firefox06:55
Hobbsee # Then, /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox, used as the default gnome browser06:55
Hobbsee sudo rm /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox06:55
Hobbsee sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox06:55
nikonha got thanks alot06:55
arunkaleHobbsee: ok, i'll run them06:55
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arunkaleHobbsee: i didnt get the third one06:55
arunkalewhat am i supposed to do with the third line06:56
Hobbseearunkale: you can ignore it, sorry06:56
Hobbseearunkale: just run the rest06:56
Hobbsee(i copy pasted)06:56
Kiongkucaseyomah: no key on the website06:56
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arunkaleHobbsee: done06:58
arunkaleHobbsee: now what?06:58
Hobbseearunkale: now "killall firefox && firefox"06:58
caseyomahKiongku, Sorry, you needed to go to the front page, the command to auto-add the gpg key is: wget http://seveas.imbrandon.com/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -06:58
Hobbseesee if it works ;)06:58
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arunkaleHobbsee: ok done06:59
arunkalesee if what works06:59
HawkwindDid it start ?06:59
Hobbseearunkale: see if firefox works :)06:59
arunkaleYAY IT WORKS06:59
Jucato bwahaha06:59
Hobbseearunkale: :D06:59
arunkalehahah this is so awesome06:59
arunkalethank you!!06:59
HawkwindHobbsee: If that isn't documented somewhere on the wiki, it should be :)06:59
arunkalethank you so much!06:59
Jucatowhy do I keep on trying to use my scroll wheel in irssi, on a tty...06:59
hrp2171hello peeps06:59
arunkalei was resigning myself to a firefox-less fate06:59
HobbseeHawkwind: it is, where do you think i got that past efrom?06:59
HobbseeHawkwind: w.u.c/FirefoxNewVersion07:00
Hobbseeit's been there for a long time07:00
hrp2171currently getting ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop07:00
caseyomaharunkale, Just install Opera, it's better anyway.07:00
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Kiongkuhmm seems working the flash player07:00
Hawkwindcaseyomah: Personal opinion really07:00
Jucato"better" is very subjective07:00
caseyomahHawkwind, Fair 'nuff. :)07:00
HawkwindEmphasis on *very*07:00
arunkalecaseyomah: I don't like Opera as much as firefox.. plus Gmail is buggy in opera07:00
Jucatoarunkale: works fine for me. maybe browser identification is needed?07:01
Hawkwindarunkale: You should look at swiftfox..... http://getswiftfox.com07:01
hrp2171in my opinion, ie7 for windows, firefox for linux07:01
Jucatosomehow I know Hawkwind would say that :)07:01
HawkwindJucato: If we get enough users using it, it'll be able to be packaged and included with distros :)07:01
caseyomaharunkale, Not at all, My win32 and my linux installation of opera work great with Gmail. When gmail first started their Standard interface they didn't support opera, now it's perfect.07:02
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Hawkwindcaseyomah: Only if the correct browser identification is set, and by default it's usually not07:02
seishinbyouOoh, Swiftfox.  Sure, I'll download it and try it out07:02
hrp2171so, when adept downloads packages for installation, where are they kept?07:02
caseyomahHawkwind, I didn't mess with masking or ident.07:03
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caseyomahseishinbyou, Why not?07:03
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Hawkwindcaseyomah: I don't either.  But usually by default Opera is set wrong for gmail to work properly07:03
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caseyomahHawkwind, I didn't have any problem "out of the box" as it were.07:04
seishinbyoucaseyomah: force of habit, usually when I need to mail someone I meet on IRC, I just tack @hotmail or @gmail on the end07:04
HomerMay the source be with you07:04
arunkalecaseyomah: Gmail doesnt work for me in Opera out of the box07:04
caseyomahseishinbyou, What about the yahoo flunkies?07:04
Jucatoseishinbyou: you left out yahoo :)07:04
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Jucatooh he beat me to it :)07:04
dude_jucato! : )07:05
JucatoDude! Where's my car? (just can't help saying it!)07:05
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arunkaleok should i download the firefox 2 installation file from getfirefox.com07:05
arunkalethey have a final release07:05
seishinbyouAh, but anyone I know with a yahoo address is a coworker that uses @yahoo.co.jp as his personal mail07:05
dude_jucato: hehehe07:06
dude_jucato: one more application07:06
Jucatoseishinbyou: heheh. is yahoo.co.jp more famous there than Gmail? :)07:06
caseyomaharunkale, Just reinstall kubuntu from livecd and reinstall everything from scratch.07:06
dude_jucato: and the transition is complete07:06
lotusleafdoesn't yahoo japan have free POP?07:06
arunkalecaseyomah: what?07:06
lotusleafor is that yahoo china07:06
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caseyomaharunkale, I'm just being a pain, don't mind me.07:06
Jucatoncurses yahoo for not having free POP :(07:06
Hawkwindarunkale: You should stick with the firefox that is in the repos and stop installing from source07:06
lotusleafJucato: actually I believe yahoo china may be the one with free POP07:07
Hawkwindarunkale: If you do that, you're liable to mess up your install again07:07
arunkaleHawkwind: alright :)07:07
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Jucatolotusleaf: as I'm not from China, it wouldn't matter, at least to me :(07:07
hrp2171got the answer: /var/cache/apt/archives. thanks.07:07
caseyomaharunkale, If you want to install from sources, use linux from scratch and do EVERYTHING from source so you know the config.07:08
seishinbyouJucato: Actually, hotmail.co.jp is probably the most popular07:08
Jucatohrp2171: sorry didn't see your question. could have told you that. :(07:08
arunkalecan i use the themes on the firefox site with my linux firefox07:08
seishinbyougmail is still in the minority unless I specifically push them to it07:08
lotusleafJucato: yeah but once you set it up would you need to read chinese to use it?07:08
Jucatodunno :)07:08
caseyomahseishinbyou, That's partly because it's still in limited admittance. (cell phone/invite only)07:09
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dude_express scribe software< anyone?07:09
seishinbyouThough, to be honest, most people just use their cell phone email address these days07:09
dude_who know this app07:09
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caseyomahSeveas scrambled his brain.07:10
seishinbyouIn a world where people email Word/Excel files to one another and edit them all over their cell phones, why not?07:10
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Kiongkuhmm whats the command to check my hard disk usage?07:11
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caseyomahWho knows anything about Cedega?07:11
Motorheadwhere can i find a c programming tutorial?07:12
Motorheaddon' t say google plz07:12
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caseyomahMotorhead,  w3cschools.com (I think)07:12
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Jucatow3schools is for HTML/CSS/XML stuff07:13
BonBonTheJonMotorhead: google it, or look at http://einstein.drexel.edu/courses/CompPhys/General/C_basics/c_tutorial.html07:13
caseyomahI thought they had C too...07:13
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Jucatooh didn't check lately07:13
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Jucatobut that would be weird if they did07:13
Kiongkuflash9 beta = no sound and mouse left click seems not good07:13
Motorheadi know python.. and learned windows c++... but i've found that its somewhat different in linux07:13
caseyomahBeing the Web consortium, true...07:13
seishinbyouSo, Jucato, tell me, which is better:  Software, or hardware?07:13
Jucatoseishinbyou: USER :P07:14
arunkaleif i had to get a new laptop, which one would you guys recommend?07:14
Kiongkumy bad got sound but mouse still not good -_-07:14
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caseyomahFrom a programmers point of view a user that take a prompt and returns a value.07:14
Jucatohm.. arunkale preferably one that runs :)07:14
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arunkalehaha.. i meant which company, specs, etc07:15
Jucatoseishinbyou: it's like your asking me which is better, yin or yang... neither is ultimately better. one needs the other :)07:15
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caseyomahseishinbyou, If you are asking weather hardware support or software emulation is better, then hardware.07:16
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kingrayrayer, where is KDE's trash bin? :x07:16
kingrayrayI don't have an icon on my desktop..07:16
seishinbyoualso, emulating a few clients from the past07:16
caseyomahseishinbyou, Otherwise Jucato is right.07:16
Jucatokingrayray: should be in your panel07:16
kingrayrayokay, well um, how do i put it on my desktop?07:17
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caseyomahkingrayray, Just to the left of your Notification area.07:17
kingrayrayyeah i found it07:17
Jucatokingrayray: right-click on the desktop, choose Create New -> Link to URL, then in the Link to location (URL) field, enter "trash:/"07:18
Motorheadso its ok if i ask for help here when i get sucked??07:18
kingrayraythanks, Jucato and caseyomah07:18
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caseyomahMotorhead, NEVER! You shall die for asking for help!07:18
Motorheadlol, wtf i said07:18
Motorheadsucked* stucked07:18
JucatoMotorhead: about C? probably not. there's a ##c channel07:19
Motorheadabout linux in general07:19
JucatoMotorhead: of course if you get sucked... well.... :)07:19
Motorheadi forgot the t :P07:19
caseyomahMotorhead, Most guys don't complain about that too much...07:19
caseyomahJucato, I did say most.07:19
Jucatocaseyomah: most guys don't complain that much about being s**cked? :P07:20
Jucatook I'm getting waaaay offtopic :P07:20
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Motorheadit gets better if you spam07:20
draikYeah you are07:20
caseyomahJucato, X-act-ly.07:20
draikJucato, I come back from eating and you're talking about ... just great. What's next, tubgirl???07:20
caseyomahMotorhead, But seriously, I'm in here pretty often with my own issues.07:21
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caseyomahMost recently I decided to dist-upgrade to edgy and crashed my other box to anchor mode (until I burn a new ISO)07:22
Jucatoanchor mode?07:23
m0zonesilly question i noticed on youtube people captureing there screens in like a avi format  anyone know how about doin that    :P07:23
caseyomahJucato, Weld a chain onto it and put it on a boat.07:23
Jucatom0zone: screenkast is probably what you're looking for07:23
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m0zonethanks i will look into it jucato07:23
caseyomahWhat is the air-speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow?07:24
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caseyomahMotorhead, Is that an African or European swallow?07:25
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dude_jucato: GNOME or KDE?07:25
caseyomahMotorhead, Okay then.07:26
Jucatodude_: huh?07:26
dude_jucato: which is better?07:27
caseyomahJucato, Is Screenkast Gnome or KDE?07:27
Jucatocaseyomah: the "K" should already give you an idea :P07:27
Jucatodude_: very subjective question. :D07:27
caseyomahJucato, No, not at all. lol07:27
Jucatoalso known as "flamebait" :)07:27
dude_i can't decide what to use07:27
Motorheadcya all later07:28
caseyomahShall we start the next "cola wars" (restart) the "flavor wars"?07:28
Jucatodude_: simple lang. decide what suits your needs/wants. that's going to be the deciding factor of which is best for *you*07:28
Jucatoheh... never liked Pepsi :P07:28
caseyomahJucato, I agree.07:28
dude_jucato: that the problem, i like both...hehehhe07:29
draikJucato, PEPSI beats coke :P07:29
Jucatodraik: hush :P07:29
dude_ice tea07:29
flaccid_bundaberg rum and cola beats both of them07:29
draikRASPBERRY Iced Tea07:29
Jucatodude_: use both. change from time to time. learn both, then decide later again07:29
dude_red ice tea07:29
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caseyomahdude_, Install both and switch every boot until you break the pattern naturally and which ever one you are using more you keep.07:29
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draikJucato, Pepsi and Coke taste the same when mixed with Rum07:29
caseyomahdraik, Really depend on which rum.07:30
sF|Xemanthheh i would like to use edgy in my laptop but i'm scared of doing dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade :| i know that with my luck it will go boom07:30
dude_casey: what are you using?07:30
draikMalibu Rum, Bacardi and various others07:30
Jucatodude_: you can even try out other options like Xfce, fluxbox, etc07:30
Jucatook lets not get *too* offtopic..07:30
draiksorry Sifu Jucato07:30
dude_jucato: what are you using?07:30
ubotuXubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop07:31
Jucatodude_: right now... nothing. no X yet :P07:31
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Jucatoj/k. Kubuntu, meaning KDE07:31
draikI think that most of the people in this channel are using KDE07:31
sF|Xemanthhas somebody else done dist upgrade dapper -> edgy ?07:31
arunkalei cant even upgrade man07:31
dude_jucato: what do you mean?07:31
dude_casey: what are you using?07:31
arunkalemy connection is so slow, it'll take ages07:31
caseyomahdude_, I personally prefer KDE.07:31
caseyomahdude_,  Though this box is Gnome.07:31
draikI've used GNOME before and didn't care much for it07:31
draikI like KDE07:31
sF|XemanthKDE <307:32
Jucatodude_: I mean that I have no graphical environment setup yet right now. doing a reinstall07:32
draikJucato, speaking of which, how is that coming along?07:32
Jucatodraik: 36% :P07:33
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Jucatodraik: I'm really banging my head on the wall...07:33
Jucatono ETA07:33
draikwell, the upside of a linux install is that you can still use the LIVE CD/DVD while installing in the background07:33
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BlackenHm, is there a KDE applet for the kicker panel that includes information such as CPU speed, etc.? (Laptop; I like knowing when I'm speedstepped)07:34
Jucatodraik: err.. I'm apt-getting remember07:34
caseyomahJucato, Edgy install?07:34
draikoh, sorry forgot07:34
BlackenI think I've seen one, but I don't remember what it is.07:34
Jucatocaseyomah: unfortunately, my Edgy CD fscked out on me. so I had to install Dapper, then dist-upgrade07:34
draikBlacken, I am using Superkaramba's SystemCheck07:34
Jucatodraik: psst. KDE applet for kicker :)07:35
JucatoMEPIS has one installed by default. I forgot the name of it though...07:35
caseyomahJucato, I just did a dist-upgrade on my primary box and it won't even boot to tty1 anymore.07:35
BlackenOh, gah. I forgot to install superkaramba.07:35
Jucatocaseyomah: ugh.. that's bad... well this is a fresh install, so no problems yet so far :)07:35
caseyomahJucato, It looked pretty clean (besides breaking dependancies) when I did it...07:36
draikWhat's the command for doing a simple chkdsk on my HDDs?07:36
Jucatofsck ?07:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fschk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:36
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draikI'll just  fsck --help07:37
caseyomahubotu don't know.07:37
draikthank you07:37
Jucatodraik: or man:/fsck in Konqi07:37
arunkalehow do i untar files?07:37
arunkaletar -xvfz?07:38
caseyomaharunkale, ark <filename>07:38
Jucatoarunkale: yeah (iirc)07:38
Jucatoarunkale: or use Ark :)07:38
draikhmmm... for device do I just do sda1 or /media/sda1?07:38
Jucatowhich also happens to be the name of my PC :P07:38
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caseyomahdraik, /dev/...07:38
Jucatodraik: probably /dev07:38
_mattarunkale: depends.  for gzip, I use tar -zxpf; for bzip2, use tar -jxpf07:38
arunkaleif i try tar -xvfz it says no such file or folder07:39
draikyup, /dev07:39
_mattarunkale: are you specifying a valid file?07:39
draikwhat are inodes?07:39
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arunkalewell it's a tar.gz07:40
Jucatoerr.. more technical mambo jumbo draik...07:40
draikok, but what are they?07:40
Jucatodraik: Google :) (sorry)07:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about inode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:40
_mattarunkale: try: tar -zxpf <filename>.  To get the correct filename, type the first few letters, and then press [tab] 07:40
Jucato_matt: what's the "p" for?07:40
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arunkale_matt: and where does that extract the files to?07:41
caseyomaharchangel_, Same dir.07:41
_mattJucato: preserves file permissions07:41
Jucatoarunkale: always in the current directory07:41
caseyomaharunkale,  Same dir.07:41
_mattarunkale: ./07:41
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caseyomahWelcome back intelikey.07:42
Whiz2I'm having issues... I've got my printer setup in Linux, and linux has been told to share it, however, I can't export the drivers for it, nor can I get windows to install the drivers, or use the printer.. what am I doing wrong?07:42
intelikeycaseyomah ty07:42
Jucatohi intelikey likely :)07:42
arunkalethanks guys07:42
Whiz2oh yeah... I'm back btw lol07:42
caseyomahWhiz2, You need to replace the user with a newer model.07:42
BlackenCan superkaramba applets be bound to kicker panels?07:43
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Whiz2caseyomah: You trying to say I'm old? :-p07:43
JucatoBlacken: nope07:43
caseyomahWhiz2, No, just worn out.07:43
BlackenEw. No use for me, then. :/07:43
intelikeyjust like walking in to the set for the sit-com 'cheers'07:43
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Whiz2kinda like my shoes... I need a new pair of them07:43
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Jucatowhat are new shoes? :)07:44
Whiz2what I really need to do is figure out just what I'm doing wrong07:44
caseyomahJucato, sneakernet interface adapters.07:45
Whiz2I've followed all the given instructions, and documentation that I've come across for this printer issue.. I'm trying to share with Samba, but it hates me07:45
intelikeyWhiz2 ahhh spending way too much time looking at a computer maybe   :)07:45
Whiz2funny caseyomah07:45
Whiz2intelikey: For me there is no such thing lol07:46
caseyomahWhiz2, Computer time is 24/7/365.25.07:46
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intelikeyjust trying to help you figure out what you were doing wrong07:46
BlackenAre there any (decent to good) kicker applets out there? I don't see any on kde-*.org.07:46
Whiz2well... not quite that much, but I wouldn't complain if it was lol07:47
BlackenI'm looking for a system information one and maybe others if they exist (I'd like to know what's out there).07:47
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JucatoBlacken: I think you can find some in the repositories. use Adept or apt-cache to search for applets or panel or kicker applets07:47
BlackenPanel applets? Widgets that go on the panels?07:47
BlackenJucato: I've searched the repos, didn't find (or didn't correctly name) what I'm looking for. :/07:48
JucatoBlacken: which is what you're looking for, right?07:48
BlackenJucato: Correct.07:48
BlackenI've seen it before, I used to HAVE it, but I can't find it.07:48
caseyomahDon't mind Whiz2, I introduced him to linux and I still haven't taught him everything.07:48
Whiz2Widgets for Linux? That's a new one on me07:48
ubotukicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1855 kB, installed size 5576 kB07:48
JucatoBlacken: sorry I can't exactly help you right now. I don't even have X running :P07:48
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BlackenJucato: NP.07:49
caseyomahWhiz2, My main box is running in anchor mode.07:49
intelikeyWhiz2 you mean there are other kinds ?07:49
Whiz2basically it's the "Show Desktop" icon for Linux07:49
JucatoWhiz2: Desktop widgets? well there's Superkaramba for KDE, gDesklets for GNOME, and aDesklets for ... anybody (I think)07:49
Whiz2Yeah there are Widgets for Widows07:49
intelikeywindows pfft07:50
caseyomahWhiz2, is a M$ user, he still duel (sic) boots.07:50
Jucatothere are desktop widgets for Windows, Linux, and Mac07:50
Jucatoer *nix too (BSD included I guess)07:50
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Whiz2and now I'm installing superkaramba lol07:50
caseyomah...oh, yeah, and he's a widget freak.07:51
intelikeyyeah i'm just stiring the pot to see who boils first07:51
BlackenCan superkaramba applets be locked to be always-on-top?07:51
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Whiz2I have a network PC that is Linux only, then this PC which dual boots Linux, and XP07:51
JucatoBlacken: yes, but you'd have to edit the .theme for it07:51
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caseyomahBlacken, I think you can do it through KDE Window settings.07:51
draikAFAIK widgets go on the panel in GNOME, not KDE07:51
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Whiz2then one other computer in the house which is windows 9807:52
draikI have tried to search for something similar before too, but no luck07:52
Jucatodraik: huh?07:52
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draikJucato, desktop widgets07:52
Blackendraik: I have a bunch of widgets on my kicker that say otherwise...like the clock. And the K menu. And the virtual desktop switcher.07:52
JucatoBlacken: those aren't "widgets". they're called "applets" :)07:52
Jucatomight lessen the confusion if you get the terms right :P07:52
draikright, applets07:52
Whiz2Yes they are applets07:53
BlackenThere's a difference?07:53
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JucatoBlacken: widgets can mean lots of things. desktop widgets, control widgets, etc07:53
Whiz2those are not widgets lol07:53
BlackenInstalled it a month ago, still fiddling with it.07:53
draikwell, I have a mini dictionary/thesaurus that isn't docked to my kicker as I wished it were07:53
Jucatothe ones on the panel are called Applet (panel or kicker applets)07:53
BlackenHow baroque.07:53
caseyomahWidgets are a special sub-type of applet, technically everything that runs in a GUI is an applet...07:53
Jucatodraik: then it isn't a panel/kicker applet07:53
draiknope, can't find any that are for KDE07:54
Jucatocaseyomah: I'm just concerned with the KDE terminology here :)07:54
draikI find some, but they're GNOME07:54
Whiz2You and your technicallities, Casey07:54
caseyomahWhiz2, Sure, why not?07:54
Jucatodraik: 43%...07:54
Whiz2can't you run GNOME applets/widgets in KDE?07:54
intelikeyi thought there was a diff in applets and aplications07:54
JucatoWhiz2: no.07:54
JucatoWhiz2: GNOME panel applets/widgets need gnome-panel to run.07:55
caseyomahJucato, Slow moving, what's your CPU/RAM?07:55
draikslowly but surely07:55
Jucatocaseyomah: er downloading... nothing to do with CPU/RAM07:55
Whiz2does that include non-panel applications as well, Jucato?07:55
JucatoWhiz2: non-panel apps? like?07:55
caseyomahintelikey, Applets require an application to open them (Application=X Applet=Konqueror)07:56
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Whiz2I think thatr's what it's called07:56
JucatoWhiz2: yes.. GNOME apps would generally run on KDE and vice-versa07:56
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Whiz2caseyomah: How is your X running now? working correctly yet?07:57
intelikeydependancies dependancies dependancies07:57
caseyomahWhiz2, Main box is running in "anchor mode"07:58
Whiz2caseyomah: I dunno what "anchor mode" is07:58
Jucatolol :)07:58
Jucatocopy-paste, copy-paste, copy-paste07:59
propagandhicaseyomah: is it just holding the door open07:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about anchor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:59
propagandhiubotu: that makes two of us07:59
JucatoWhiz2: he means that you could tie the PC to a boat and use it as an anchor08:00
Whiz2caseyomah: You're gonna have to give me a better explaination than that.08:00
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots08:00
caseyomahWhiz2, "anchor mode" = "paper weight mode"...08:00
Whiz2lol @ Jucato08:00
Jucato= useless mode08:00
Whiz2then are you going to try a fresh install?08:00
BlackenWhich is the better thing to have installed on a machine -- powersaved or powernowd?08:00
Whiz2or try to revert back to KDE?08:00
intelikeyi have a few anchors lying around here....08:01
caseyomahOnce I can burn an ISO.08:01
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Whiz2Blacken: I would assume powersave08:01
intelikeyBlacken depends on what you want it to do.08:01
Blackenintelikey: That's kind of what I'm looking to find out. :p08:02
Whiz2brb... gonna switch out to KDE... I feel like playing with Linux on a faster machine. (aka this one lol)08:02
intelikeypowernowd - control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface08:03
intelikeypowersaved - power management daemon08:03
intelikeyapt-cache show "blah"08:04
draikJucato, ETA is under 30 minutes for my ninja videos08:04
Blackenintelikey: Yeah...I can poke ubotu/read synaptic myself. I'm asking what the difference is, why they're mutually exclusive, and if one has better/more features than the other.08:04
Jucatoheheh nice draik08:04
draikit's kinda weird for a torrent with such this many peers being so slow08:04
Jucatodraik: mine is 5 hours, according to apt :P08:04
draikit's been about 2 weeks now...08:04
intelikeyso read up08:04
intelikeydon't ask us to do it for you08:04
Blackenintelikey: How very un-Ubuntu of you. I'm surprised you aren't being chided for that attitude.08:05
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intelikeyBlacken i guess good help is hard to get these days08:05
BlackenI'm serious. Any suggestion from me to anyone along the lines of ST*W/RT*M (insert favorite letter there) has always gotten me snapped at.08:06
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Jucatodraik: dropped to 1hour now...08:07
intelikeyJucato what are you timming ?08:07
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Jucatointelikey: dist-upgrading to edgy from a very fresh Dapper install08:08
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Carbon_Monoxidegood day, Jucato!08:08
intelikeyoh kay.    no edgy iso ?08:08
intelikeyor you prefer upgrading?   i'm at a loss...08:09
Jucatointelikey: the only edgy CD I had (knot 3) decided to fsck up on me today08:09
intelikeyoh ok. but i still don't see how dl'ing the updates is any better than dl'ing the iso    are you out of disk media?08:10
Jucatointelikey: er.. yeah that too :P08:11
intelikeyalright now you make sense again... :)08:11
Jucatointelikey: hehe. sorry my brain was on hibernate it seems :)08:12
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intelikeyoh if i had been paying attention i might have been able to deduce all that but the lazy way of just asking was plan A.08:13
Jucatoyeah... feeling pretty lazy here too... just rained. so the atmosphere is quite.. um... *yawn*08:13
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intelikeydid the guy i was helping with a dpkg error get all streightened out.    i didn't mean to blast off like that but work seems to trump helping in here..08:14
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intelikeyJucato i'm with ya on the 'just rained'  :)08:15
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draik<-- Carbon_Monoxide has left this server08:16
draikWell that's good to know08:16
intelikeythere's an invisable ? after part one of that ^^08:16
|Skull|hey guys, a little annoyance I've found and was wondering if I could fix, is when using tab completion on a symlink folder, it does not automatically put the trailing slash after the folder name... is there anyway to make it do this?08:16
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flaccid_don't think so08:18
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|Skull|for example, I have a symlink /etc/httpd that points to /usr/local/apache... (just because this is how it's setup on 90% of the servers I work on, so It's habbit to look in /etc/httpd) but when I type /etc/htt<tab> it puts just /etc/httpd wihtout the trailing slash08:18
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flaccid_|Skull|: ask in #bash08:18
|Skull|ok will do.. thx08:18
intelikey|Skull| it's not supposed to.   i'm not sure about an easy way to over ride that but symlinks are files, it's supposed to treat them as such.08:18
whiz2caseyomah left... and I missed it08:18
intelikey|Skull| probably editing /etc/bash_completion and enabling it...08:19
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BlackenAh, much better. SMP and direct rendering.08:20
|Skull|I'll check in there and see what I can find...08:20
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whiz2I can't login to hotmail... grrrr08:21
Jucatowhiz2: using Konqueror?08:21
Jucatowhiz2: double check if cookies are enabled for the microsoft sites08:21
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whiz2I think it was rejecting some of them, but I deleted the entire list of accepted/rejected cookies, and that seems to have fixed it08:26
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|Skull|oh man.. what a stupidily easy fix.....08:26
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|Skull|add set mark-symlinked-directories on to .inputrc in your home dir08:27
intelikeywhiz2 yeah snotmail requires accepting cookies from at least two servers and probably three08:27
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intelikey|Skull| then /etc/inputrc for system wide08:28
|Skull|heh yep, just thought of that after I wrote that... it's now in the global cfg08:29
whiz2I wonder if the shared printer on my other linux computer would work if I tried to install it to this one... I know it doesn't work when I ry to install it into windows over the network...08:29
whiz2but this is different... they are both running kubuntu08:29
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chupahi 2 all08:31
intelikeywow, way cool.   check this error tty2 [greg@~]  su - greg -- bash08:32
intelikeysu: Authentication failure08:32
intelikeypassword is null     i can login with no password  but can't su without one.08:33
intelikeyeven to self.08:33
intelikeyi'm constantly learning new things that won't work with no suid on the system.... :)08:34
whiz2interesting... Kubuntu is loading the printer drivers... I wonder if it will work correctly...08:35
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whiz2If this works, I'm gonna be kinda upset...08:36
intelikeywhy ?08:36
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ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule08:36
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ubotuUpgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes08:36
whiz2intelikey: the only reason I will be upset if this works is because that would mean it's working from linux to linux, but not windows to linux...08:38
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intelikeyagain i ask "why would that upset you?"08:38
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intelikeymaybe i should let that rest.08:39
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whiz2because I need it to be accessed by Windows08:41
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intelikeywell did it work ?08:42
whiz2funny how it's showing up in the job qeue for the printer, but the printer is not printing anything08:42
intelikeyprinter paused ?08:42
whiz2status is "Processing..."08:42
whiz2lemme check...08:42
whiz2nope... lemme try again, cuz the job vanished08:43
Ash-FoxEdgy should be out tomorow right? -- and if I upgrade now -- would that mean I have to redownload things tomorow?08:43
intelikeyAsh-Fox there may be updates yes.  but not the whole system08:44
Ash-Foxintelikey, I'll just update today so I won't saturate the mirrors tomorow :P08:44
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intelikeyash-fox ok and a simple  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        tomarrow will bring you up to speed.08:45
seishinbyouSometimes, filtering out resumes for developer positions is easier than shooting fish in a barrel...it is as easy as looking at fish in a barrel08:45
Jucatohow about looking for a needle in a hay stack?08:46
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whiz2I have an idea... anyone know where Linux stores it's printer drivers once a printer is installed?08:46
seishinbyou"9 years experience developing on Win XP Pro"08:46
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seishinbyou"20+ years HTML experience"08:46
Ash-Foxseishinbyou, he must of discovered osx's time machine08:46
seishinbyouIt's as easy as being somewhere near a barrel08:46
intelikeyhow about looking for the hey stack that contains the needle08:46
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seishinbyouneither did the rest of the real world, I guess08:47
intelikeyseishinbyou you gota hire that kid....08:47
seishinbyouI'm more interested in overclocker 1337 dood08:47
Ash-FoxI've seen ads that requested six years experience with windows 200308:47
Jucatohe must be, what, 19 years old?08:47
seishinbyouThe guy puts extensive overclocking guides *in his resume*08:47
Ash-Foxseishinbyou, does he play counterstike?08:48
whiz2I could use instructions on overclocking my PC... maybe I should get in touch with him lol08:48
seishinbyouWhat is going to happen is that we'd give him $500 and he'd build a PC that blew everything in the office away08:48
intelikey<Jucato> he must be, what, 19 years old? <00   <seishinbyou> "20+ years HTML experience"  <---- ah prolly more like 12.08:49
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DarthShrineintelikey: z0mfgz0r! Don't pay out 12 year olds!08:49
seishinbyouOh, that guy (20+ years HTML) was  a grad student of all things, in "Business tech"08:49
seishinbyouI weep for the future08:50
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Ash-Foxseishinbyou, don't take life seriously, you'll never live through it.08:50
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Ash-FoxDidn't gopher support HTML at one point?08:51
intelikeyAsh-Fox idk08:52
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intelikeybut 1986 seems pre html  to my recallection08:52
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Jucatomaybe he was involved in *the* development of HTML with Tim Berners Lee. :P08:53
intelikeywhen ?08:54
Jucato(did I even get the name right?)08:54
Jucatodunno. ask the applicant lol08:54
Jucatoer sorry wrong topic :P08:54
Jucatocan't use the scroll mouse here )08:54
intelikeywhy not ?08:54
Jucatono X :)08:54
Ash-Fox1076 upgraded, 153 newly installed, 24 to remove and 45 not upgraded. Need to get 916MB of archives. After unpacking 310MB of additional disk space will be used. <= Wee =)08:55
intelikey[page-up] 08:55
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intelikeyJucato try  [page-up] 08:55
Jucatointelikey: yeah. but I'm so used to scrolling :)08:55
intelikeyand why are you without X ?08:56
draikGeez, that kid sure seems like the winner08:56
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DarthShrineJucato: That is scrolling...08:56
intelikeyyou are like the kde guy in here....08:56
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JucatoDarthShrine: with a scroll wheel I mean08:56
seishinbyou"Learning Hascal" <- Does he mean Haskell or am I thinking something else?08:56
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DarthShrineJucato: Ah... Scrolling with keys isn't hard...08:57
intelikeydraik yeah my first post on that was "you gotta hire that kid."08:57
Blacken[Zzz] seishinbyou: It's the new fad. All the readability of Pascal with all the usability of Haskell!08:57
Jucatoseishinbyou: the language named after George Hascal?08:57
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whiz2I'm trying to configure the print server from System Settings: Printer, but it keeps asking me for a username/password... won't accept mine, and I dunno the one for root08:57
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draikintelikey, I would hire him just for laughs.08:58
Ash-FoxThey still teach pascal in the local unversity here08:58
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intelikeydraik don't give my boss any ideas.......  ;/08:58
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Ash-FoxThey have these brand new windows xp systems.. and they want you to run some dos IDE for pascal08:58
seishinbyouMy 1st year uni programming course was in Pascal...that was in 95 though08:59
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Blacken[Zzz] I'm a first-year university student. I'm stuck learning Scheme.08:59
Ash-FoxOf course they have weird bugs and the computers lock up randomly with the pascal installation.. but... ugh08:59
seishinbyouChoice of Borland Turbo Pascal or Think Pascal (Mac)08:59
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datochhi! howto upgrade from debian unstable to 6.10?08:59
Blackendatoch: Uh. Reformat and reinstall.08:59
seishinbyouTurbo Pascal, where changing comments causes code that should compile but doesn't to successfully compile08:59
draikintelikey, depends on who your boss is09:00
datochBlacken: are you sure?09:00
Blackendatoch: Seeing as how Debian and Kubuntu are entirely different systems, yes.09:00
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draikJucato, %?09:00
Jucatodraik: 70% :P09:00
datochBlacken: just adding apt source and doing dist-upgrade wont help?09:01
Blackendatoch: I doubt it.09:01
Blackendatoch: The packages are entirely different.09:01
Ash-Foxdatoch, trust me. It won't work, I've had the pleasent experience of trying sudo apt-get dist-upgrade myself from debian unstable with ubuntu repositories :P09:01
BlackenScheme is a hideous language, though. It's painful. They want me to write an interactive fiction game in it...and they take points off for my code looking like C-code.09:01
BlackenYou people who started with Pascal or even Java are lucky.09:01
datochBlacken: ok, thanks09:01
draikseishinbyou, Does that applicant happen to have 10+ years of officeXP?09:02
Ash-FoxBlacken, I quit university over the pascal crap09:02
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datochAsh-Fox: ok09:02
Ash-FoxWhen you're in there five months, and most of your class mates can't grasp what a if statement is.09:02
draikYes!!! It's past midnight here...09:02
intelikeydraik 9+ of xp pro09:02
Ash-FoxToo much for me, seriously.09:02
DarthShrineAsh-Fox: O_o09:02
BlackenPascal is cake, though.09:02
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BlackenScheme is a mindbender.09:02
draikthat's the OS, what about the office suite intelikey?09:02
seishinbyoudraik: No, but everyone and their brother is sure going out of their way to say *I CAN USE MS OFFICE*09:02
BlackenIt's just...not...*right*!09:03
intelikeylol  @  *I CAN USE MS OFFICE*09:03
BlackenThere are two types of programming zealots in classrooms: the object-oriented ones and the functional ones. Both are out of their trees, IMO.09:03
Ash-Foxseishinbyou, they can? Last time I tried to get people todo relatively simple operations like creating tables and such under word... It was dead near impossible to them09:03
seishinbyouI should write back *THAT'S NICE*09:03
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draikin my experience from the past 7 months of unemployment, they ALL ask, "Can you use office? Word? Excel? Powerpoint? Access? Outlook?" I always found that funny since asking about office includes all those parts.09:04
seishinbyouWell, I'm remembering that in IT, at least here, Excel is the most popular application for word processing and presentations09:04
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JucatoExcel is used for word processing?09:04
draikIt's like asking, "Can you drive a manual transmission vehicle? 1st gear? 2nd gear? 3rd gear? 4th gear? 5th gear?"09:04
seishinbyouIt's painful to watch presentations done all in Excel, where each tab is a new "slide"09:05
Ash-Foxdraik, what I find funny is that in interviews, they will ask you if you've had more than three years experience with ms product 2005 or something09:05
draikOh yes09:05
draikthose are great09:05
whiz2Hmm... interesting...09:05
seishinbyouPeople use Excel for word processing because they can position things the way they like (read: wrong)09:05
JucatoI just find that... um... amusing09:05
seishinbyouThrow formatting and positioning completely out the window09:05
seishinbyouWelcome to IT and documentation in Japan09:05
Ash-Foxseishinbyou, LaTeX.09:05
intelikeyJucato interesting isn't it09:06
whiz2Linux say that the printer's URL is ipp://localhost:631/printers/epson wonder how I can use that infomration to my advantage...09:06
Jucatointelikey: absolutely09:06
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draikA lady was doing a phone interview with me and asked, "Can you name a few web browsers?" I named Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror, Lynx.. She said, "Ok, so you know the new one like firefox" She totally blanked on the others!09:06
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intelikeyi use echo for all my word processing09:06
seishinbyouvi works all right for me09:07
DarthShrineintelikey: z0mfg 133709:07
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JucatoKate or nano09:07
intelikeyi'm not that leet09:07
whiz2in windows, I use notepad... in Linux, I use kate09:07
Ash-Foxdraik, what job was that for...?09:07
intelikeyed is over my head09:07
draikIT, help desk, desktop support09:07
DarthShrineintelikey: ed is *easy*09:07
Jucatodraik: you don't know Epiphany? :P09:07
draikEpiphany I haven't used, but heard of09:08
intelikeysed maybe09:08
draikI was about to tell the lady Safari, but I wasn't sure if that's the Mac web browser or not... I used a mac once when I was looking at iPods, but that's it09:08
JucatoSafari, it is :)09:08
Ash-FoxSafari, Camino09:09
whiz2when the printer server asks you for a username/password, and defaults to root as the username... does root even HAVE a password?09:09
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.09:09
draikThe lady was also asking me to name 5 search engines... So I said, "Google, Froogle, Google Video, Google Images and Google Maps"09:09
whiz2this is not in a command line09:09
intelikeywhiz2 not on default *buntu09:09
Jucatodraik: err??09:09
Ash-Foxwhiz2, sudo passwd sets a password09:10
whiz2thanks. that'll help a lot... I'll set one09:10
draikI knew I wasn't getting the job so I thought I'd make the most out of the "funeral"09:10
JucatoGoogle, Yahoo, AltaVista, MSN, (insert one more)09:10
Jucatodraik: lol :)09:10
draikAnother place asked me and I said "Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, AOL"09:11
intelikeydraik if you can't dazzel them with wit baffel them with bull *         no ?09:11
draikYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you intelikey09:11
Ash-FoxOne interview I was in: Him: So... You know computers? Me: Err, yes. Him: I seeeeeeee. *odd silence*09:12
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Jucatolol! my sister just called, asking me about OO.o. Apparently, a client of theirs sent a document in .odt format :)09:12
Ash-FoxHe shook my hand and then told me to leave.09:12
draikwhy Ash-Fox?09:13
intelikey"programmer that know computer have very strange sex life"  -- computius09:13
Jucatoofftopic "topic" of the day: Linux and Open Source in the office...09:13
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Ash-Foxdraik, I think he wanted someone older :P09:13
draikLOL @ intelikey09:13
draikI am only 2309:13
whiz2Ash-Fox: guess I have to restart X for the password change to take full effect huh?09:14
Jucatopresuming that older == wiser || more experienced...09:14
draikI got to interviews and they look at me like I'm lying about what I have on my resume09:14
Ash-Foxwhiz2, no09:14
whiz2all the computer stuff on my resume is stuff I've taugh myself09:14
intelikeyJucato in some possions  older == more mature09:14
Ash-Foxwhiz2, password changes are instant09:14
whiz2well when trying to configure the print server from within system settings/printers, it still denied it09:15
Jucatopresuming... chrnological age != psychological age != emotional age != mental age09:15
draikat my last job, one guy that I liked for his computer skills killed it for me... he opened a running desktop and started to run his hand all over the place to remove dust bunnies.09:15
Jucatook I know that wouldn't work in C :)09:15
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whiz2draco: YIKES09:16
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draikI really admired his input on some issues I was having with windows, but then he was doing that and just killed it for me09:16
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Ash-FoxJucato, one question.. Have you ever dealt with secretaries and their computers?09:16
Ash-FoxOh drat09:16
JucatoAsh-Fox: no. why?09:16
whiz2draik: YIKES That's just stupid09:16
Ash-FoxI meant draik. Sorry about that Jucato09:17
dracowhiz2: YIKES? :D09:17
whiz2draco: sorry wrong person09:17
JucatoAsh-Fox: ok... I thought I said something wrong :P09:17
dracooh k ;)09:17
draikYes, I have09:17
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Jucatolol lots of misdirected stuff09:17
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draikI hate that whole "weird" description09:17
whiz2draco: maybe you could help me... know anything about sharing printers from linux using Samba?09:18
seishinbyouNow, technical questions aside, I make sure there is little to no micromanagement before accepting a job, even if it does kill a few job offers09:18
draikLOL, 2 innocent bystandards are hit with comments going to me... LOL09:18
whiz2draik: yeah in my case, I didn't hit tab enough times lol09:18
Ash-Foxseishinbyou, why don't you write the job advertisment in C++ or something? I heard that usually works well :P09:19
intelikeywhiz2 did you get linux to linux to print ?09:19
ubuntuhow would i do a fresh install from the internet?09:19
whiz2intelikey: No. it doesn't even show the job in the print qeue09:19
seishinbyouIf I wanted to obfuscate it, I'd just rot13 it09:19
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lupine_85ubuntu: netboot or debootstrap09:19
Ash-Foxubuntu, I don't think there is a network insall cd for ubuntu distros09:20
ubuntui would just type that in a prompt?09:20
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues09:20
=== draik has his printer networked from kubuntu laptop to kubuntu desktop to printer!
Ash-FoxI'm mistaken! *reads urls*09:20
lupine_85plenty of ways to do it :)09:20
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whiz2ubuntu: I don't think you can do a fresh install from the internet, but you can download an ISO image, burn it to CD, then do a fresh install from that09:21
lupine_85any of the methods in the Debian install manual will work as well, with suitable modifications09:21
JucatoAsh-Fox: there's no netinstall CD. the Alternate Install CD acts as the netinstall :)09:21
draik seishinbyou, any other oddities in resumes?09:21
Ash-Foxlupine_85, I knew how todo it manually, but this could be very useful for when I'm helping other people and I don't have the time to mess with chroot and so on :P09:21
seishinbyouWell, one guy held a job with the title "Evil Death Ray"09:21
intelikeywhiz2 did you read the links ^ ?09:21
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seishinbyouTurns out that means Testing/QA09:21
whiz2intelikey: I didn't click on them09:22
lupine_85Ash-Fox: you could always port ubiquity to Windows ;)09:22
draikseishinbyou: Have you ever read the resume of a kid applying to McDonald's?09:22
seishinbyouI think I remember that one09:22
whiz2draik: I've written a resume as a kid applying for McDonald's lol09:22
seishinbyouThat sort of resume wouldn't get far here, though09:22
draikI've submitted resumes to various places under the name of various friends09:23
draikI like to keep them on their toes09:23
whiz2I neglected to mention to them my computer knowledge tho. :-p09:23
seishinbyouWorst mistake I ever made was applying to a pizza parlour when I was 14, not knowing how to answer the questions09:23
seishinbyou"How long do you plan to work here?"09:23
seishinbyou"Until I find a real job"09:23
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whiz2That's just too funny09:24
draikI never really know how to answer that "future" question09:24
whiz2"However long it takes"09:24
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seishinbyouWell, at the time, I equated part-time work with "temp work", and anything full-time as a real "job"09:24
draikTo anybody who has seen Family Guy ...09:24
seishinbyouBoy, that didn't go over well...09:24
whiz2seishinbyou: I guess not lol09:25
draikDon't say screwing your wife, don't say screwing your wife, don't say screwing your wife... "Ummm... in bed with your... boy?"09:25
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whiz2I saw that episode!09:25
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draikwhiz2, YEAH! As he looks at the employer's picture of his wife and son09:26
seishinbyouHmm, if Family Guy is available on tap (torrent) I'll have to try and get a full episode sometime (not shown here)09:26
draikYou should09:26
whiz2lol yup!09:26
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intelikeywhiz2      * Installation/LowMemorySystems - Install Ubuntu on older computers with09:26
whiz2Family Guy is an excellent show09:26
=== Ash-Fox was denied a job once because he wasn't catholic.
draikThere is also another episode where the one that gets the promotion is Soundwave from the original Transformers (also out 7/4/7 in theaters)09:26
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draikAsh-Fox, I was too09:27
whiz2Ash-Fox: they can't do that. It's illegal09:27
draikor maybe christian09:27
draikI can't recall09:27
draikBut then again my place was at a University09:27
Ash-Foxwhiz2, I live in Poland, not the US :P09:27
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whiz2Ash-Fox:  oh ok then I guess they can lol09:27
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draikand on the last page, it asks you to sign that if you ever feel like you are losing faith, you will turn to a councelor for help.09:28
Ash-FoxThey can't, but it's acceptable for some reason09:28
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Ash-FoxHello Dannilion09:29
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Ash-FoxGet in the car, it's a lion.09:29
DannilionWhere do I find what the permissions are for a usb stick on mount?09:29
whiz2intelikey: I'm not trying to install Linux from a network, or internet09:29
intelikeyi didn't say you were09:29
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Ash-FoxDannilion, hm, honestly I don't know :/09:30
whiz2intelikey: you sent me links explaining how to do it09:30
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draikI was escorted once from an interview when I said that I believe in minor piracy... I forgot that I was applying for a QA position for music/movies... WHOOPSIE!09:30
DannilionOK, I have this problem- I don't have write access to my usb stick, and whenever I try to get it as either user or root it doesn't work09:31
intelikeywhiz2 cause you said "<whiz2> ubuntu: I don't think you can do a fresh install from the internet, but you can download an ISO image, burn it to CD, then do a fresh install from that"     that's why i sent you the link,09:31
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draikdoesn't        ls -a           show you everything about the device once inside the /media directory?09:31
Dannilionforgot that one- I'll check it09:32
whiz2intelikey: That doesn't qualify as being done from the internet... but it does qualify as being done over a network. :-p09:32
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intelikeyDannilion what fs ?09:32
intelikeyDannilion mount it with  -o umask=009:32
Dannilioncan you remind me how to unmount and remount it please?09:33
intelikeyumount blah09:33
intelikeysudo umount blah09:33
Ash-Foxmount /dev/sda /media/usb-folder09:33
Ash-Fox*** mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb-folder09:33
intelikeywith the -o09:33
Ash-Foxintelikey, you shouln't need it. At least I haven't.09:34
intelikeysudo mount /dev/sda /media/usb -o umask=009:34
draikMy USB automatically opens up a folder for me09:34
Ash-Foxsudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o umask=009:34
Dannilionso does mine09:34
draikI've yet to have an issue with USB drives09:35
intelikeyAsh-Fox  he said no write access.  thus he needs it09:35
draikwell, travel drives anyway09:35
Ash-Foxintelikey, needs to be /dev/sda1 though09:35
intelikeyassuming a partition...09:35
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intelikeyyou don't need a partition to have an fs09:36
Ash-FoxMy usb keys always worked that way.09:36
draikI have a Sony 256MB, Memorex 1GB and a 512MB MP3 player from ZEN and I don't have any issues with reading/writing09:36
Dannilionstill doesn't have write access09:36
Ash-Foxintelikey, didn't know =)09:36
DannilionAnd yes, I did check the lock key on it :P09:36
intelikeyDannilion show us the line that addresses that device from     mount09:37
Ash-Foxuh, Dannilion, try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,users (for write access)09:37
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Ash-FoxYou will need to unmount it first obviously.09:37
Dannilionintelikey, how do I do that?09:38
intelikeytyping the mount command with no args. displays the content of /etc/mtab09:38
Dannilion /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,umask=0)09:38
Ash-Fox(and root will only have read write access to that)09:38
nikoneverytime i run Gobby i get "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root" what do i do09:39
intelikeythat should be writable09:39
Ash-Foxintelikey, as root only though09:39
intelikeyno as world09:39
DannilionI'm still trying to copy as root though :P09:40
Dannilionand it still doesn't work09:40
intelikeyumask=077 would be root only.    umask=0  should ==  umask=00009:40
DannilionI think it might be the device09:40
intelikeywhich is world wrx09:40
nikoneverytime i run Gobby i get "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root" what do i do09:41
Ash-FoxDannilion, ls -ll /media/usbdisk09:41
intelikeyyou thinking mountpoint access ?09:42
Ash-FoxJust need to show us one line from that.09:42
Dannilion-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3619220 2006-09-22 13:58 wierd al yankovich - Weird Al Trigger Happy.mp309:42
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Ash-FoxSee, it isn't world writable.09:42
whiz2Any idea how I can add KDE Control Center to my K button/menu?09:43
Ash-FoxDannilion, umount it, and try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o uid=0,gid=0,rw,users09:43
Jucatowhiz2: right-click on the K Menu, select Edit Menu, then add it?09:43
Jucatowhiz2: the app name is "kcontrol"09:43
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Danniliondone, ls -ll /media/usbdisk still comes up with the same as above09:44
DannilionI think it's the device now09:44
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Ash-FoxDannilion, I don't think so09:45
Ash-FoxDannilion, can you do a 'sudo touch /media/usbdisk/blah'09:45
Ash-Fox(Shouldn't display anything if it succeeds)09:46
Danniliontouch: cannot touch `/media/usbdisk/blah': No space left on device09:46
DannilionThat's interesting- there's plenty of space09:46
Ash-FoxYeah, it's been locked somehow.09:47
Ash-FoxIt should of been mounted as read/write, root can write no matter what to a read/write partition.09:47
intelikeyAsh-Fox it works here.  /dev/hda1 on /etc/dhcp/bin type vfat (rw,umask=0)   <-> ls -l bin/config.sys    -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root     846 Sep 18 18:53 config.sys09:47
whiz2Jucato: thank you09:47
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Jucatowhiz2: no problem :)09:48
DannilionLooking online, looks like I'm not the only one with this problem (though those with this complaint are using Windows)09:48
intelikeyi'm thinking one more stab Dannilion   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/usb    just to make sure it's not still a mask issue.09:49
Ash-Foxintelikey, I stand corrected then09:49
intelikeyAsh-Fox we could both be right09:50
Ash-FoxRoot should of been able to 'touch' there, despite any masks.09:50
intelikeyi agree09:50
Dannilionmount: can't find /media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab09:50
intelikeyadd the device name09:51
intelikey sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk09:51
Dannilionmount: you must specify the filesystem type09:51
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intelikeyis it usb or usbdisk or usb-disk ???09:52
Ash-Fox<Dannilion> /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,umask=0)09:52
intelikey<Dannilion> mount: can't find /media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab09:52
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intelikeywhat's the permissions now Dannilion ?09:53
Dannilionbash: syntax error near unexpected token `('09:53
cox377has anyone installed firefox2?09:54
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whiz2KDE help center is not u to date about KDE Control center09:54
ubotufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins09:55
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intelikeyAsh-Fox we have Dannilion so confussed now that he copied and pasted your repost of his mount output...09:56
Jucatowhiz2: some of the docs aren't really up to date. It's not KHelpCenter's fault, though :)09:56
Dannilionand I'm female09:56
intelikeyi'll go away and let you sort it out if you like.09:56
Jucatohi Dannilion :)09:57
DannilionHey Jucato09:57
Ash-Foxintelikey, on the phone right now :/09:57
intelikeyor if not i'll try too just say which.09:57
DannilionThe last one intelikey posted resulted in the error mount: you must specify the filesystem type09:57
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Jucatowhiz2: we all are :)09:58
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whiz2Now if they could just make sharing printers through Samba easier, then I might be able to figure it out, and make it work09:58
Jucatolol... sounds a lot like Hobbse's long pointy stick :)09:58
Ash-Foxyou should really umount it before you remove it09:58
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intelikeyDannilion this was the working command.      sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/usbdisk      but a test on another boxen is good.09:59
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intelikeyoch shnill10:00
Dannilionsame problem on Windows machine10:01
Jucatoso it's the USB that's at fault10:01
intelikeyDannilion now you know.  not the mount it's the media10:01
DannilionSo I get to take it back to Argos :P10:01
DannilionI've only had it a couple of weeks10:02
intelikeyanyway remember the umask=  for future use.10:02
DannilionI will :)10:02
Jucatowell at least you could still return it :)10:02
DannilionI also took out insurance on it, so I've can claim on that10:03
ubotufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins10:03
intelikeyme too o.O10:03
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DannilionThough this time I don't think I've broken it10:04
seishinbyou"Wrote documentation on how to use Mac OS X for Windows users" <- found on resume10:04
Jucatoseishinbyou: you really get the strange ones, don't you? :)10:05
seishinbyouOh, many of these are boring, but a few have gems of info in them10:05
intelikeyseishinbyou what is this for i may what to apply  :)10:05
seishinbyouJobs here.  We are short staffed10:05
intelikeyhere ?10:06
seishinbyouHere being Invio (www.invio.co.jp)10:06
Jucatointelikey: Japan :)10:06
intelikeyinvio.co  k10:06
Jucatoone of my favorite countries...10:06
seishinbyouThe name has changed a few times over that past... year10:06
intelikeyJucato i'm afried it would be a conflict of intrests anyway.  my contract doesn't allow me to hold another job10:07
Jucatoaw :(10:08
Jucatointelikey: never got around to asking you where you're from10:08
seishinbyouThe office is really close to Akihabara, a geek paradise10:08
intelikeywell the isp says texas but i'm not in texas.   but that's close enough10:08
Jucatoah :)10:09
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intelikeywe'll just say one of the surounding states and leave it at that.10:09
Jucato(sorry about this but...) USA maps remind me of a jigsaw puzzle...10:10
Ash-FoxJucato, I agree with you :P10:10
seishinbyouLouisiana is shaped like an "L" :p10:10
intelikeyyeah   but the country is big. they had to split it up some how10:10
Jucatoyeah... but with straight lines....10:10
intelikeyno there are rivers and mountians in the way10:11
Ash-FoxSometimes the pieces don't fit, so you need a communist hammer10:11
JucatoI mean the.. er.. do you call them borders?10:11
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Jucatowell, at least how they look on a map10:12
Jucatoanyway... offtopic again hehehe10:12
intelikey"start line"  is the term  and it's kinda like lots of little countries inside one big one.10:12
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Jucatoyay 4% to go10:13
Jucatoalmost forgot how long upgrading felt like :)10:13
DannilionI can barely remember where all the counties in Europe are, nevermind where the US states are10:13
intelikeytry it on dialup :)10:13
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seishinbyouAt least it isn't measured in Microsoft minutes (tm)10:13
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JucatoI wouldn't have tried Ubuntu/Kubuntu if I were totally on dial-up... (sorry to say)10:14
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arkygeekJucato: kumusta ka?10:14
seishinbyouDial-up is but a distant memory for me :(10:14
Jucatoseishinbyou: same here... almost :)10:14
DannilionI'm going to be putting 2 computers on Dialup onto Kubuntu10:15
Jucatoarkygeek: err.. ok lang ako10:15
arkygeekJucato: oh......10:15
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JucatoDannilion: if you have one that is not on dial up, that would be ok, I guess10:15
JucatoJazon: aah hehe :)10:15
seishinbyouI could go dialup I guess, but that is more expensive than optical10:15
Jucatoexpensive and impractical10:15
intelikeyDannilion dsl dialup ?10:16
DannilionMine is on broadband, but the two computers are on dialup10:16
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DannilionThey're in a church10:16
seishinbyouMind you, ADSL is more expensive than optical here now, anyways :/10:16
JucatoJazon: ouch....10:16
seishinbyoudid you keep your old xorg.conf file?10:17
ubotux is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto10:17
Jucatoalmost done...10:18
Jazon(EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)10:18
intelikey"To restart your X"    hehhe    oh that doesnt say ex   my bad.10:18
Jazon(EE) failed to load module i810 (module requirement mismatch, 0)10:19
intelikeyJazon nvidia ?10:19
Jazonintel i91510:19
livingdaylightdoes Gimp not come with Kubuntu by default?10:19
Jucatolivingdaylight: no.10:19
Jucatoit has Krita instead10:19
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livingdaylightwtf is krita?10:20
livingdaylightwhat kind of kritter is krita?10:20
ubotukrita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 2516 kB, installed size 7976 kB10:20
Ash-FoxKrita is self-aware.10:21
intelikeyis krita the command ?    i have kde but no krita10:21
livingdaylightlooks like an incomplete hackers part-time hobby went to town on it10:21
Jucatointelikey: it's not installed by default on kde if you don't have koffice installed10:21
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Jucatolivingdaylight: you've tried it?10:21
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intelikeyso it's part of koffice then, not part of kde.  and kubuntu includes koffice ?10:22
Jazonbut my wife insists on running aps6 under wine10:22
livingdaylightJucato: just looking at the interface now for the first time - looks primitive10:22
livingdaylightJucato: or is it just lack of polish?10:23
Jucatolivingdaylight: why not try it out first10:23
livingdaylightanyone here use gimpshop?10:23
Ash-Foxkubuntu-desktop's meta package doesn't have koffice by default... but it's in the repositories...10:23
Jazonany ideas on how i might proceed from this point on my display driver issue?  I miss X10:23
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seishinbyouPaint Shop Pro 4 Shareware version through Wine ftw10:23
Jucatointelikey: no. Kubuntu doesn't have koffice by default.10:23
livingdaylightJucato: one gets used to one thing or another, isn't it?10:23
Jucatointelikey: I meant that krita is a koffice project10:23
Jazonlivingdaylight: yes, it is just a rearrangement of menus and stuff.  still the same old gimp.10:24
Jucatolivingdaylight: then install GIMP. easy as that10:24
Ash-FoxJazon, not exactly. There are some things apparently unique to krita too that the gimp does not have10:24
Jazonlivingdaylight: i found it a pita to use because everytime i wanted help (either from the web or irc) all the answers were for gimp, and not gimpshop10:25
intelikeyok all that got me confuz    i'll urpmi koffice and see if krita comes with it or not.10:25
Jucatolivingdaylight: I'm just saying that you should give it a try before you go on making statements like it being an incomplete hacker's part-time hobby etc etc10:25
JazonAsh-Fox: i was talking about gimp vs gimpshop10:25
Ash-FoxJazon, sorry. dyslexia + tiredness is a bad combo :)10:25
livingdaylightJucato: hehe...forgive me, please  :)  i was just being an ass.10:25
Jazonnp Ash-Fox10:25
livingdaylightJucato: woke up this morning in a provocative mood, hehe....10:26
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livingdaylightthx, Jazon...10:26
intelikeyok the answer is   "yes krita is part of the koffice dependancies"10:26
Jazoni tried:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  >> same thing...10:26
Jazonlivingdaylight: np10:27
livingdaylightJucato: i need to know that you've forgiven me, please? i can't bear it otherwise....10:27
Jucatolivingdaylight: there's nothing to forgive :P10:28
Jazonlivingdaylight: gimp is really good.  awkward at first if you are coming from aps, but once you get over the hump, its really good. (kind of like linux in general from windoze)  .... imho10:28
livingdaylight :D10:28
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intelikeyJazon yes you have a mismatched version  /boot/abi*  most likely didn't upgrade.     sudo apt-get dist-upgrade       see if it gives a green light or no ?10:29
intelikeyboot the the new kernel10:29
Jazoneverything passes with further d-u attempts10:29
Jazonintelikey: i have been10:29
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Jazonshould i try the old one?10:29
Jazonheh - guess thats an obvious thing to try that i havent yet.. :s10:29
intelikeyyes the old one will probably work10:30
Jazonbrb - will give a try10:30
intelikeybut that doesn't fix the error.10:30
livingdaylightJazon: precisely. And having got over the hump to find that there was an altogether differnt application again to come to grips with... I just thought why not all get together consolidate and make ONE great application instead of so many projects out there as there are.10:31
intelikeylivingdaylight -:- SignOff Jazon: #kubuntu ("WeeChat 0.1.9")10:31
livingdaylightintelikey: lol, i just noticed10:31
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Jucatolivingdaylight: you don't have to use that other app. you can just settle on GIMP if you want10:32
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arkygeekthat didnt work :(10:32
intelikeyarkygeek =? jazon10:33
Jucatolivingdaylight: also, that same question has been asked regarding different distros, different desktops, different apps in the open source world10:33
Jucatointelikey: yep yep...10:33
livingdaylightJucato: no, i'm in kubuntu so i want to see how folks do things over in kde land. Besides krita sounds like an amalgamtion of gimp anyway, plus it has nice documentation so, i'm gonna give krita a go and see why they have opted for krita over gimp in kubuntu10:34
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intelikeylivingdaylight in a word, diversity.10:35
Jucatolivingdaylight: well I can tell you one reason: they wanted an app that would sit well in KDE and use the features that KDE has. there are other reasons, too. but I'm not familia with them10:35
arkygeekso any ideas guys?10:35
livingdaylightJucato: thats right and i think it is a good question. Linux is all about freedom and choice in every sense. There are pros and cons of course. Sometimes i do feel there is too much diversity and not enough integration and consolidation of resources to make one absolute killer desktop or distro or Gimp or whatever....10:35
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livingdaylightintelikey: diversity, lol, the word i found also.10:36
Jucatolivingdaylight: it's because we don't need "one" killer desktop or "one" killer distro, or "one" killer app. that's just not the way the Free/Open Source Software world works.10:36
arkygeeklivingdaylight: i disagree.... i think that the diversity is the strength!  think about it... the code is all open source...10:36
cpk2you just need the "killer" code =P10:37
Jucatobesides, it's not like *all* these distros are competing with one another, and not all apps survive that long10:37
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arkygeekso i should prob reboot back to 2.6.17 i guess hey?10:38
Jucatosome are just made for a specific audience10:38
seishinbyouheretix linux is for the insane10:38
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livingdaylightWell, as long as the applications all get stronger and stronger by community development over time. Otherwise too much diversity = weak applications that don't compete with the mac and windows world which further = slower uptake of lInux10:38
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livingdaylightarkygeek: how about a balance of diversity plus consolidation and focus10:39
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Jucatolivingdaylight: = projects like FreeDesktop.org10:39
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intelikeyarkygeek i'm not sure what to tell ya. so i'll be quiet.10:40
dudelivingdaylight: how's ur beryl?10:40
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livingdaylightrather than half half a dozen harf arsed applications, none of which stand up to a commercial endeavor why not focus all the energies and be competitive, that will get others out there recongnizing LInux as a true viable alternative in a business and productive sense - not just a hobby-ist one10:40
livingdaylightdude: how is yours?10:40
livingdaylightdude: have you mustered the courage to install it yet?10:41
dudelivingdaylight: no beryl yet, still waiting for the alpha release10:41
Jucatomaybe because their goal is really not to "stand up to a commercial endeavor"10:41
xsachawhich alpha release?10:41
whiz2I just installed firefox on KDE. How do I make it my default web browser?10:41
Teh_RoxorDoes anyone know how to get the burning effect for beryl?10:41
dudei don't if it's alpha or what10:42
xsachathe plugin Teh_Roxor10:42
Teh_RoxorWhere can I find that?10:42
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dudelivingdaylight: still afraid10:42
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intelikeylivingdaylight because if every opensourse codeer worked on one project it would be larger than the kernel + gnome + kde + e17    and. M$ would have it in cort so fast your head would swim.10:44
xsachaEdit->Preferences->Check Now whiz210:44
livingdaylightJucato: well that is a shame, and i don't believe that is actually anyones aim - not to stand up to commercial enterprises - quite the contrary. And even if that is true what you say, then it is a pity on another front; certainly we can't moan about the fact that 3rd parties and hardware vendors don't figure LInux in the equation10:44
livingdaylightdude: be a dude and not a wimp - feel the fear and do it anyways... :p10:44
intelikeyM$ already tried to paten !=   i mean come on.10:44
xsachaberyl may be in alpha but it's very stable.. just a few problems with tv-out and very specific about what it needs as well as shaky driver support10:44
whiz2xsacha: that setting did absolutely nothing10:44
Teh_RoxorBeryl is very nice, no crashes for me so far.10:45
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Teh_RoxorI need a better video card though10:46
Teh_RoxorThe water effects don't work so well10:46
xsachawhat video card?10:46
xsachayeah water effects not working well here and Blur Effects locks up my screen (absolutely no blur appears too)10:47
xsachahave to hit esc and disable blur10:47
intelikeywhat is beryl ?10:47
Jucatolivingdaylight: Linux has, is, and will, evolve in a different way from other OS. While Microsoft or Apple has "evolved" by monopoly ("one app, one desktop, one OS" to rule them all), Linux, by it's very nature evolves through diversity and freedom.10:47
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.10:48
intelikeyoh eye candy10:48
xsachayou can make it productive if you want as well.. it's an opengl desktop...10:48
Teh_RoxorBlur works well for me, but water effects are REALLY slow10:49
whiz2no one knows how to change the filetype associations for websites, so they open with a different browser? Edit->Preferences->check now doesn't do anything at all.10:49
Teh_RoxorI have an old nVidia10:49
xsachai wonder what i am missing that makes blur fail10:49
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Jazon:D  figured it out.10:49
xsachago to System Settings->Default Applications whiz210:50
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intelikeywhiz2 in xfce i'd say set the prefered application.  but i haven't seen kde for a while.10:50
Teh_RoxorActually whiz2, I have no idea... I always have used Konqueror10:50
xsachaWeb Browser is last one in list10:50
Jazoni had to apt-get remove xserver-xorg-drivers-i810  >>  apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i81010:50
Jazonwierd hey?10:50
livingdaylightdude: be a dude and not a wimp - feel the fear and do it anyways... :p10:50
intelikeyaccually i haven't seen xfce for a while either now.   twm  i little tho.10:51
xsachai've seen xfce+beryl -- it's nice.. :D10:51
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xsachawhiz2: did that work for you?10:51
whiz2It's not there10:52
whiz2Default Applications is not in System settings10:52
xsachait's in top row, Default Applications10:52
xsachawhat version of KDE?10:52
whiz2however default applications IS in KDE Components.10:52
intelikeyxfce + beryl....  hmmm almost sounds like running kicker inside of xfce10:53
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intelikeyturns it into something it's not10:53
xsachaok, im using KDE 3.5.5 which has a different layout10:53
livingdaylightJucato: lol, "one OS to rule them all" nice refernce to Lord of the Rings. Yea, i shall continueto prefer LInux too  :p10:53
xsachabut that should be it for lower versions whiz2 :D10:53
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livingdaylightdude: what abotu Compiz?10:53
whiz2Ypu upgraded to edgy?10:54
whiz2What's the difference between this version, and edgy?10:54
Jazonlivingdaylight: i have opinions about compiz.... it looks cool, is an important idea/step forward, but i found it nauseating to use....10:54
xsachajust different versions of apps..10:55
whiz2if edgy's not fully released yet, then I'm not going to upgrade.10:55
xsachaso that sort of means a lot of small differences.. force DPI in fonts, changes system settings and so on10:55
xsachait'll be released tomorrow, i think10:55
esas_Arkygeek: you're right!!!10:55
whiz2if I upgrade, I should probably do a fresh install of it... a friend of mine did it by "upgrade" and ruined his system... turned his installation of Linux into a paperweight10:56
xsacha:S at least he had a seperate home partition... right?10:56
intelikeyQ; what do linux users do ?10:57
intelikeyA; they install  software10:57
whiz2No... he did the upgrade from within his installed version... right into the same version/partition10:57
livingdaylightJazon: i happily use beryl ...  ;)  i just thought since the dude was afraid of beryl he might check out compiz10:57
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xsachayeah but he had his home partition so he didnt lose anything important?10:57
whiz2He couldn't even start X10:58
xsachajust install edgy on root and keep home10:58
xsachaso he doesnt lose his settings10:58
intelikey<whiz2> He couldn't even start X <---- as if that was major10:58
Teh_RoxorThe wobbly windows in beryl are annoying10:58
Teh_RoxorI think10:58
whiz2My root partition has the entire operating system on it. home is not on a different partition on my system10:58
xsachastarting X is usually easy to fix :P10:58
Teh_RoxorBut I really like the emerald windecos10:59
xsachathen disable them Teh_Roxor :P but i like them10:59
Teh_RoxorI have, haha10:59
intelikeywhiz2 mine either10:59
whiz2Niether was casey's he was the one I'm talking about10:59
Teh_RoxorI have my root and home on different drives.10:59
xsachadid you get the aura around your windows Teh_Roxor? they are very cool.. get 100 radius and make transparency high10:59
intelikeyin fact my home isn't on a partition10:59
whiz2he managed to get X running, but his system was running in bad shape10:59
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Teh_RoxorYeah, I have the aura... not as big as that though10:59
xsachayou set transparency high so it's not noticable but it looks really cool11:00
Teh_RoxorI'll try that11:00
whiz2xsacha: know anything about sharing printers from Linux using Samba to gain access from various windows versions?11:00
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xsachano idea, i dont even own a printer :O11:00
xsachai just run down to my uni to print everything11:00
whiz2man... no one can effectively help me with this11:01
intelikeywhiz2 did you ask in #ubuntu ?11:01
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whiz2no, but that's an idea...11:01
livingdaylightJucato: referring to krita sitting well in kde... does gimp not sit so well in kde then? And since its Kubuntu why opt  for openoffice over Koffice then?11:01
xsachaopenoffice can open microsoft office files while KOffice cant for me11:02
xsachai know people say they can open .doc, but it wont open my .doc11:02
xsachaonly openoffice does11:02
Teh_RoxorWhen I have the amaroK window up, beryl gets really shakey11:02
intelikeywhiz2 also ##linux   when the questions get to hard for the distro channels try there.11:02
Teh_RoxorThe decos flash11:02
xsachamm amarok runs fine in beryl here :S11:02
xsachathe aura flashes?11:02
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Teh_RoxorDo you have any animation on it running?11:02
xsachaby the way, you notice the aura appears on dock too? :)11:02
livingdaylightxsacha: openoffice rules - no doubt about it11:02
Jucatolivingdaylight: dunno about openoffice. but GIMP doesn't make use of lots of KDE stuff, like kio, kparts, or even just the File dialog boxes11:03
xsachaanimation? probably not11:03
xsachainside amarok?11:03
Teh_RoxorThe visualization11:03
Teh_RoxorOr whateve11:03
xsachaoh, no i dont11:03
intelikeylivingdaylight oo was highly requested11:03
xsachathat'd do it11:03
Teh_RoxorThat may be it11:03
livingdaylightintelikey: 'demanded'  :p11:03
intelikeypretty close to that same11:04
xsachayeah, i'm glad it is in instead of KOffice11:04
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livingdaylightJucato: glad i didn't install gimp then, and which is why i asked. I know that kde and gnome are moving more and more towards integration and mostly it is true one can install either on either platform but generally it is more stable to use stuff in their home environment. When i'm not sure i ask11:05
livingdaylightJucato: you are such a rebel  :p11:05
Jucatolivingdaylight: hehe not really :P11:05
livingdaylighthehe ^^11:05
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livingdaylight!seen jazon11:06
ubotuJazon is on IRC right now!11:06
intelikeylooks like gimp doesn't need much tho   apt-get install gimp   "gimp gimp-data libgimp2.0 libwmf0.2-7" <-- The following NEW packages will be installed:   5449kB11:06
Teh_RoxorI hate gimp's interface11:07
Teh_RoxorMultiple windows... gah11:07
Teh_RoxorSo annoying11:07
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intelikeythe thing i have trubble with is close the wrong window and the whole app closes11:07
livingdaylightintelikey: i was originally looking at trying out gimpshop, which is similar, docs said that if gimp was installed then i could skip the dependency related aspect of installing gimpshop from source. Which is how this all started11:08
livingdaylightany of you try gimpshop?11:08
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intelikeybut my box is too old for gimp anyway.11:09
livingdaylightsupposed to deal with some of the annoying aspects people find with gimp, but looks like the interface may be quite much the same11:09
livingdaylightintelikey: how old is that then?  :|11:09
intelikeyoh  p1 ish11:09
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livingdaylightGEEZUS kristus intelikey !  :o11:10
livingdaylightwtf, are you running on there intelikey?11:10
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intelikeywhat am i running ?11:10
intelikeywhat jew mean ?11:10
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Teh_RoxorI tried gimpshop on Windows once11:10
Teh_RoxorHated it11:11
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livingdaylightintelikey: yea, what os and desktop?11:11
livingdaylightTeh_Roxor: is that right? does it not stand up to scrutiny?11:11
intelikeykubuntu kde xfce4 twm blackbox fluxbox..... ummmm seems like something else is installed.11:12
intelikeythat's it.11:12
livingdaylightLets make a kitty and all chip in so intelikey can get himself a new computer - he deserves it goddamm it!  :D11:12
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intelikeyhe aint really interested.  so don't chip in.11:13
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livingdaylightintelikey: how can you run kde on a p1?11:13
livingdaylightintelikey: this is Dapper?11:14
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intelikeylivingdaylight it runs better than gnome on here11:14
intelikeyyes 6.611:14
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livingdaylightintelikey: i didn't think that was possible?11:14
Teh_Roxorlivingdaylight: I can't even remember why I didn't like it11:14
intelikeywhat ?11:15
livingdaylightTeh_Roxor: lol11:15
livingdaylightintelikey: to run a modern linux distro such as Dapper on a P111:15
intelikeyand why not ?11:15
intelikey this is not that M$ reboot os11:15
intelikeyit's just linux  i have linux installed on a 486 lappy11:16
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Teh_RoxorHas anyone here managed to get Flash working without a delay of sound?11:16
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intelikey2.4 kernel    mandrake 911:16
Teh_RoxorAnd will flash 9 ever come out for Linux?11:17
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Carbon_Monoxideanyone would tell me what would be the normal result for "more /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"?11:17
intelikeyTeh_Roxor after the first of the year i hear.11:17
intelikeyCarbon_Monoxide  tty2 [greg@~]  cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss11:18
intelikeytty2 [greg@~] 11:18
intelikeylooks like nothing here.11:18
Teh_RoxorI get nothing11:18
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Carbon_Monoxidenothing in the file?11:19
intelikeyempty cammel11:19
Carbon_Monoxidethanks buddies! I was wondering why my file was empty11:20
Carbon_Monoxideit seems like it is working right11:20
intelikeyi'm wondering why you are playing around in the /proc11:21
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Carbon_Monoxidebecause I have to edit it for my gaming sound11:21
intelikeygames ok.11:21
Carbon_MonoxideI tries to run Enemy Territories11:21
whiz2intelikey: I'm getting ignored in both the channels you recommended11:22
intelikeywhiz2 sorry.11:22
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whiz2not your fault11:22
intelikeytod is bad for help tho11:22
claudioI can't listen audio of video with kaffeine11:23
intelikeytod==time of day11:23
cpk2dont have the right codec?11:23
claudioi don't know11:23
Teh_RoxorWhat kinds of audio and video?11:23
cpk2although libxine-extracodecs should cover everything you need11:23
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:23
claudiomp3 i think11:23
apokryphosPlease use consult FAQ first11:24
ubotufaq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage11:24
whiz2intelikey:  tod?11:24
whiz2oh time of day11:24
intelikeydo you know the differance between a duck ?11:25
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claudioi'll tried11:25
claudio w32codecs11:25
claudio libarts1-mpeglib11:25
claudio libarts1-xine11:25
claudio libakode2-mpeg11:25
claudiobut nothing...11:25
intelikeyone leg is both the same.11:25
cpk2is kaffeine using xine?11:26
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whiz2intelikey:  you lost me on that oke11:26
claudioi don't know11:26
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intelikeywhiz2 it's a slow joke, it will take a while for it to catch up with you.11:26
cpk2erhm i dont think my defuncted procs released their memory, any way to check?11:27
whiz2intelikey: there is also a room called #samba11:27
intelikeyin irc they are called "channels" but yes.11:27
Teh_RoxorI call them houses.11:28
claudiocan you help me?11:28
intelikeycpk2 pgrep ?11:28
Teh_RoxorTell me I'm wrong, I dare you.11:28
intelikeylp me?11:28
intelikey<Teh_Roxor> Tell me I'm wrong, I dare you.11:28
intelikeyhosed that paste didn't i11:29
intelikeyI'm wrong, I dare you.    <=== that was inteneded11:29
cpk2intelikey: the zombies died with a kill but I think the memeory might not have been released, I guess I will notice in a day or 2 =P11:29
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Teh_Roxorclaudio, did you read those help docs?11:30
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Teh_RoxorDo you get sound from any program at all?11:30
claudioi've done what they say to do11:30
claudioi can listen mp3 from xmms11:31
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intelikeycpk2 process is gone but you think that memory is locked because the process was ????    did you roll your own kernel ?    or are you rolling something else ?11:31
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thomas__does beryl do tv out?11:32
cpk2intelikey: kernel is from the repos, i might be wrong about memory though =X11:32
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whiz2intelikey: you say tomato, I say tomahto, you say potato, I say potahto... you say channels, I say rooms. :-p11:32
intelikeycpk2 if not.  there is a major issue with the ubuntu kernel.11:32
cpk2intelikey: ok then we will assume it isnt locked =)11:33
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intelikeywhiz2 not me.  don't matter to me what you call them.   just thought you might want to know.  :)11:33
intelikeycpk2 yeah lets assume that.  :))))11:34
whiz2intelikey: Actually, I already knew what they were called, but I call them rooms out of habit from using other chats (like yahoo for example)11:34
cpk2now I just need to find a way to feed musicbrainz picard a lot of my library without it defuncting11:35
Teh_RoxorCan anyone else help claudio? I'm no expert, myself.11:35
intelikeyTeh_Roxor i'm not on that issue but the output settings would be the straw i would grasp at.11:36
cpk2he should check to make sure kaffiene is using xine11:36
intelikeyyes inside the app.11:36
cpk2and possibly try a different player11:36
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intelikeythere you've picked my brain.   feel better ?11:37
B-Minushello does anyone know a good cdwriter program ? k3b isnt working well :(11:37
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intelikeyB-Minus i like cdw  or xcdroast  but you may not like either.11:38
whiz2k3b works fine for me.11:38
cpk2and should probably tell xine to use alsa11:38
B-Minusintelikey: are those command line ?11:38
intelikeycdw is11:38
intelikeyxcdroast is full gui11:39
cpk2B-Minus: where exactly is k3b under performing?11:39
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intelikeyi don't really care for the over all layout of k3b    it reminds me of another cdburner i saw once in that other os.11:41
B-Minuscpk2: i have dapper 6.06, when i want to copy a cd it says unable to eject media, then when i solve that it says no permission to drive when i insert an empty cdr even while i changed all permissions with k3bsetup11:41
Teh_Roxor...I really like k3b. :(11:41
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cpk2could probably just run k3b as root to solve it11:41
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whiz2kdesu k3b11:42
cpk2whiz2: and what problem is that?11:42
whiz2cpk2: Using Linux, and Samba, I'm trying to share a printer with a Windows XP Pro PC, a windows 98 PC, and another Linux PC, but every time I try to export the drivers, I'm told there are missing drivers, and any time I try to use a network PC to get the drivers for install, I'm told there are no drivers to get on the server PC. How do I sucessfully share a printer using Samba on Linux?11:42
B-Minuswhiz2: i already did with kdesu k3b and i still get the same problems11:42
intelikeyrun as root to solve perms issue.....   yuch   what a hack.11:42
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intelikeyhow about add self to cdrom and cdrecord groups11:43
intelikeymedia too maybe11:43
whiz2B-Minus: that would be how you run it as root, but if that's not working, then running as root just isn't working either.11:43
whiz2cpk2: Did I manage to stump you too with this problem of mine?11:44
cpk2i've never tried using samba for printers11:44
cpk2swat might make it easy to do but back up your samba config before installing swat11:45
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nitro[XL] under winxp you need to install driver for your printer from your printer vendor cd .. then will work11:45
claudiointelikey: whereis a newsgroup client in kubuntu?11:45
claudiointelikey: whereis a newsgroup client in kubuntu?11:45
intelikeykontact ?11:46
intelikeykmail would be the app maybe ?11:46
ubotusamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT11:46
intelikeyi have stabbed in the dark.  if nothing screems i'll assume i missed.11:47
Teh_Roxorkontact feels very crappy in my opinion11:47
cpk2whiz2: installing swat will erase your samba config so BACK IT UP BEFORE INSTALLING11:47
whiz2cpk2: will do11:47
intelikeyswat = samba with a twist ???     jk.11:48
cpk2personally i didnt like swat but i never had to config printers so it might help with that =P11:49
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thill2708Can I get tv-out with beryl?11:50
intelikeyi'm high profile network illiterate     samba i have never set up.11:50
thill2708and is it stable?11:50
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.11:50
thill2708been there11:50
thill2708nothing regarding tv out11:50
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intelikeythen you should know if it's alpha/beta/stable11:51
thill2708well, I guess11:51
thill2708apparently it's stable enough for most11:51
thill2708I'm really more curious about the tv out functionality11:52
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intelikeythill2708 i have heard that tv-out was one of the few points that it still gave any problems   but that is hear say.11:52
whiz2cpk2: is SWAT a gui interface?11:53
thill2708that's the show stopper for me11:53
cpk2whiz2: yes via the web11:53
whiz2hmmm... ok11:53
intelikeyyou are more than welcome to try it.  but you ask and i only repeted what i heard.11:54
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B-Minusintelikey: tnx, xcdroast burned the cd without problems11:54
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B-Minusk3b looks very nice but just doesnt work for me :(11:54
intelikeyB-Minus welcome11:54
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maverickguys! am runing kubuntu, anyone did run "turboprint" successfuly ??11:55
intelikeyyeah i think it's probably a "group" issue B-Minus  you could add your self to media and cdrom groups to see if it helped11:56
maverickam having canon s300 Bj printer and i figured that turboprint wud recognize it11:56
maverickbut i cannot run it11:56
intelikeyor just use xcdroast11:58
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intelikeyoh my. i have to go die now.  my shift ended almost an hour ago.11:59
intelikeygood day, good night and good bye.12:00
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Jazonhi again guys12:02
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Jazonhaving another problem since the d-u12:02
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about turboprint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:02
Jazonchecking for GL/glu.h... no  >>> configure: error: *** Unable to locate OpenGL includes.12:04
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Jazonsudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev  >>> xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed >>> E: Broken packages12:05
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Jazonlibgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1+cvs20060824 is to be installed12:05
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dvayanui have kubuntu edgy, i i start konqueror / - i only see four folders, home, media, work and acqua_backup (last both are mine)12:06
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dvayanuif i enter /opt in the adress line i can see the contents too12:07
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dvayanuor /usr, or /bin12:07
dvayanuhe even makes an autocompletion12:07
afm\colossusyeah. nifty, huh? ;D12:07
dvayanuit would be niftier if it would work properly :-)12:08
dvayanui have no filters on or something12:08
dvayanuother programms sees all folders12:08
dvayanulike firefox12:08
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afm\colossushm well, i see your problem now12:10
afm\colossusthat's strange12:10
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thill2708what's the best online retailer for games?12:10
afm\colossusi don't use konqu for managing files, though from what i recall, you were able to browse /12:10
thill2708console games*12:10
dvayanuafm: well, i wouldn't care about that, but amarok uses (apparently) konqueror for file dialogs and i can't add nothing to my collection which is not in the four folders12:11
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dvayanuand since xmms wishes to allocate 8 gig memory on my machine and makes it all swap after 4 songs played...12:11
dvayanui'm stuck with amarok as player12:12
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Jazonmethinks there be dragons12:13
Jazondid a d-u to edgy12:13
alleehi, klicking on a link in kmail, konversation, popup a msg dialog that the file http://... does not exists. Starting konqueror with the url, fail too, but click on reload load the page (dapper + backports) fails to open. Started this week. Not sure if it's related to an upgrade.  Known problem?12:14
Jazonnow probs with libgl1-mesa-dev etc...12:14
jendeJazon: what probs?12:14
alleeerr, reload load the page fine12:14
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Jazonallee: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dQeSFm85.html12:15
afm\colossusdvayanu: have you already taken a look into kde's bugtracking system?12:15
Jazonerrr, jende  that was for you.... sorry12:16
alleeJazon: are you sure that's address to my question? :)12:16
dvayanunot yet, i wasn't sure its a bug12:16
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Jazonsorry allee12:16
jendeJazon: sudo apt-get -f install followed by a sudo dpkg --configure -a12:17
jendeJazon: that should fix your prob12:17
jendeJazon: have you changed just before your dpkg your sources?12:17
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Jazonsources are edgy only12:18
Jazoni donloaded the one pkg however from the debian package site12:18
jendeJazon: errrr...is it a deb package? have you got the link for me?12:19
Jazonjende: here is the source of my issues: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OeORE022.html12:19
Jazoni am building GRASS from cvs12:19
Jazonjende: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/mesa-common-dev_6.5.1-0.2_all.deb12:20
maverickjazon: do u have a guide on how to build from CVS12:20
livingdaylightJazon: whenyou were referring to compiz were you referring to beryl aswell?12:20
Jazonjende: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-dev_6.5.1-0.2_i386.deb12:20
Jazonlivingdaylight: no12:20
JosefKJazon: sudo aptitude install freeglut3-dev12:20
Jazonmaverick: yes, i have built it several times...12:20
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livingdaylightJazon: are you Jazon of the Argonauts?12:21
JazonJosefK: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qv7bfM39.html    that look ok?12:21
jendeJazon: I'm quite positive that that package wont work on edgy12:22
Jazonlivingdaylight: im not greek.... :P12:22
JosefKoh dear Jazon - you've installed mesa packages that aren't from the official repo's?12:22
Jazonjust one12:22
jendeJosefK: I don't think that deb stable (sarge) ppackages will work on edgy12:22
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JosefKyou'll need to fetch freeglut manually then, or build it from cvs or similar12:23
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Jazonok.... just my feeble attempt.... shall i dpkg -r it?12:23
jendeJosefK: G'Day12:23
JosefKmorning jende ^^ just finished getting those debconf dvd's12:23
whiz2cpk2: swat wouldn't even run on that system... the browser couldn't open http://localhost:90112:24
jendeJosefK: my box gave up last night, don't know why...will try after lunch again12:24
whiz2so I'm going to give up for now, and get some sleep... I'm several hours overdue for some shuteye12:24
JazonJosefK: is it possible to backstep by removing the package?  I didnt change any sources12:25
JosefKindeed Jazon, it's offering to downgrade the package automatically for you12:25
JosefKheh, http://randolphcarter.myby.co.uk/err.png12:25
JosefKkonqueror's a but, um... confused?12:26
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Jazonhehe - i would say so... how big *is* that???12:26
jendeJosefK: ooops12:26
JosefKit's only the 8.6 gigs or so debconf dvd's :/12:26
JosefKI'm guessing it could be Samba on the box that's messed up...12:27
jendeJosefK: seems to be so...but still ooops12:27
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jendehave to grab me a coffee...brb...12:28
JosefKaye, same here12:28
martalliConstant Comment here12:29
martallichai is good for the soul and mind (Coffee will do, though =)12:29
dvayanuok, solved it12:29
dvayanu sudo rm /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root12:29
JosefKah, thanks a lot dvayanu12:29
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JazonJosefK: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MjVZ9d18.html   look better now?  or more work still?12:32
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Jucatois it possible at all to have 3d hardware acceleration using the open source "nv" driver?12:33
wildchildwhe I try to save with open office filne mane *.doc it says: saving using protocol "media" is not supported.12:34
JazonJucato: i think kano has a script that works nice...  check in #kanotix12:34
wildchildfilne mane = file name12:34
JucatoJazon: ah ok.12:34
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JazonJosefK: should i remove the libglu1-mesa and apt-get install it?12:35
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Jazonheh - that would be a BAD idea....12:35
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sid_hello :)12:37
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Teh_RoxorHail to thee12:37
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sid_I have NTFS harddisk (USB) and I want to format it in FAT3212:38
supermegazordave all12:38
sid_can I do it in Kubuntu12:38
Jazonwell, for better or worse, this is what i did :  http://rafb.net/paste/results/dZ4o2r59.html12:38
supermegazordi have one questions12:38
supermegazordhow create a local repositories12:38
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ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse12:40
JosefKJazon: apt-get seemed to be offering to downgrade the packages automatically for you, when you were trying to install12:41
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Jazonit worked anyways....12:41
JosefKah, good :) sorry about that, I was making a coffee12:41
Jazoni have now moved on to new problems :s12:41
jendesid_: maybe parted is what you want12:41
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jendesid_: its a cmd-line tool, see man parted12:42
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jendesid_: or you may want to use a tool like partition magic12:45
Jucatoor QtParted or GParted...12:45
jendeJucato: or...;) G'day buddy12:45
Jucatohi jende!!! :)12:45
cpk2jende: welcome12:46
JosefKsid_: or if you want something writable in linux/windows, maybe have a look at using ext3 and installing "ext2 IFS" on windows12:46
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jendecpk2: hey...how arey a?12:46
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cpk2good, found a way to (somewhat) easily tag and rename my music collection12:47
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jendecpk2: sounds cool12:47
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jendecpk2: how did you do it?12:47
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cpk2jende: musicbrainz picard12:48
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cpk2and I am doing it right now12:48
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cpk25000 songs is still alot =P12:48
jendecpk2: damn...indeed that's a lot12:48
cpk2my room mate has 12000 or something though =(12:48
cpk2I'm getting owned12:48
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cpk2although I contend he has way too many duplicates12:49
Jucatojende: sorry for the late reply. doing fine here :)12:49
jendeJucato: *g*12:50
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cpk2oh boy the app is really starting to lag now that I have fed it almost my whole library12:51
maverickguys, am searching for package to support my annon S300 printer..as it's driver is not available in kubuntu...i used turbo print, it works like a charm but it's only a test version so a stupid logo is printed in every page...any help?12:52
jendecpk2: *ggg*12:52
maverickcanon S300*12:52
jendemaverick: spent 30Euros and the logo will be gone12:52
cpk2I'm hoping it doesnt defunct, if i fed it my whole library at once it zombifies =P12:52
Jazonwhats this mean guys??? checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc   -Wl,--export-dynamic) works... no.... configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.12:52
cpk2sure is exciting!12:52
jendeJazon: sudo apt-cache search gcc and pastebin the output12:53
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maverickjende: wht if i don't want to and i want my driver to be supported in kubuntu :D12:53
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Jazonjende: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ttsjvt88.html12:54
jendemaverick: ah well, than I guess, you will have to wite your own driver, though12:54
sid_thank you josefk12:54
asmo674hurtwhat a f**k? i had insert MMC card in cardreader, but it now say: you have no permissions to write in these folder12:54
Jazonasmo674hurt: do ls -l  and look at permissions12:55
jendeJazon: how and what are you trying to install/compile?12:55
Jazoni am ./configure GRASS from cvs12:55
asmo674hurtJazon: my name and writes, that i can watch & modify content12:56
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Jazonjende: this is the ./configure i am using: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0MYx8963.html12:56
Jazonasmo674hurt: is it mounted read write in fstab?12:57
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jendeJazon: just a guess...shouldn't you do that with 'sudo'?01:00
Jazonjende: no01:00
Jazondef not01:00
Jazonnor with make01:00
Jazonjust sudo make install01:00
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jendeJazon: I know that it would be quite unusual01:00
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jendeJazon: hmm...kinda weird though01:01
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Jazongcc           gcc-3.4-base         gcc-4.0-base  gcc-4.1-base         gcc-3.3-base  gcc-4.0       gcc-4.101:02
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fabioos pasa que de vez en cuando al iniciar de session grafica no hay la musica?01:03
fabiono hay el sonido01:03
fabioen general01:03
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ubotuPara Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.01:04
fabioi think was the spanish chat01:04
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jendeJazon: http://grass.itc.it/community/support.php#irc01:05
Jucatobleh! I'll wait for Edgy's release, download the ISO, and reisntall again...01:05
cpk2Jucato: break something?01:05
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Jucatonot really... I'm just ranting...01:05
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ohmbrhi, I have kubuntu runing ltsp, it's working just fine, but i can't configure my keyboard (abnt2)...01:06
Jucatostressed out after going through hoops upgrading from a *fresh* Dapper install01:06
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ohmbrdoes somebody know what can i do?01:06
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cpk2Jucato: vanilla everything to vanilla edgy?01:06
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Jucatoif by vanilla you mean "absolutely fresh, clean, nothing added, nothing touched", then yes01:07
cpk2wow, i hope it isnt a pain to upgrade to edgy01:07
Jucatowell, let's just hope...01:08
Jucatoit's a fresh 6.06.1 install. no upgrades, so that might have caused the problems...01:08
jendeJazon: dunno if you've been there already, thats why I've posted you the link01:08
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Jazonmissed that jende  thax01:09
jendeJazon: they've got on top of it a ML, as well01:10
Jazonyeah, i know.... thx.  i missed you sending me the link...01:10
jendehttp://grass.itc.it/community/support.php   <- for ML01:10
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klerfaythow to fix scrollbar in firefox?01:12
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Gostieis anybody here who could give me a hand?01:17
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jendeGostie: on what?01:18
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Jazonsudo apt-get install build-essential   >>> that sorted me - :-)01:19
jendeJazon: well done...01:19
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jendeJazon: so, it's compiling now?without any hassles?01:19
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Jucatooooh KDE Plugin wizard to install Flash...01:20
GostieI have a widescreen (1280*768 on windows) laptop which I'm running kubuntu on. It refuses to make the resolution any bigger than 1024*768, effectively wasting the edges01:20
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Gostieany ideas on how I could fix that?01:21
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jendeGostie: whats the installed graphiccard?01:21
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andhyGostie: you must set proper HorizSync & VertRefresh on /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:23
GostieIntel 855GME  (64MB) according to the specs01:24
andhyGostie: and add your 1280x1024 like default resolution on proper DefaultDepth01:24
jendeandhy: and maybe the right module for the GC as well if it gor installed just with a vesa01:25
andhyjende: and maybe ... ;)01:25
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andhyGostie: of cource 1280x768 (not! 1280x1024)01:26
Gostiethe only things in /etc/x11/xorg.conf which have any mention of resolution all say 1280*76801:27
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Gostiethe Horizsync is 28-64 and the Vertrefresh is 43-6001:29
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andhyGostie: go google - "model of your laptop" xorg.conf HorizSync - and check what do you must write01:29
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larson9999linux rocks!01:29
Gostieno results01:30
afm\colossusGostie: there's a bug with certain Viode BIOS versions the X11 graphics drivers for Intel-products depend on01:30
afm\colossusbut there's a program called 915resolution which is able to work around that bug01:32
afm\colossusit's in the repos01:32
afm\colossusinstall it, and read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian afterwards01:32
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larson9999i got a job!01:34
Gostieinstalling that now01:35
Jazonthx for all the help guys!01:37
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Kiongkuheh guys.. u know the command to lock screen from the terminal?01:38
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JosefKKiongku: the xlockmore package seems to provide a command to do that01:40
ubotuxlockmore: Lock X11 display until password is entered.. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:5.13-2.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 973 kB, installed size 2576 kB01:40
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some0neKiongku: If you have xscreensaver-demo running you could also use xscreensaver-command -lock.01:45
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|lostbyte|Hai, Guys :)01:49
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ikamhello, a nice guide please ,for working kubuntu and qemu? thanks...01:49
|lostbyte|When will firefox 2. land up in the repos ?01:49
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Teejay__Hi, I'm wondering if anybody have experienced their computer freezing while running Kubuntu 6.0601:50
|lostbyte|Teejay__, not me.01:50
Teejay__I might try a reinstall soon, if that gets rid of the problem01:50
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|lostbyte|ikam, Running windows ? ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo?highlight=%28qemu%2901:50
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Teejay__sorry I am running kubuntu 6.1001:51
Teejay__not 6.06, sorry01:51
ikammany thanks [01:51
|lostbyte|Teejay__, Try updating your system.01:52
Teejay__system is fully updated01:52
ikam|lostbyte|: thanks01:52
|lostbyte|ikam, np ;)01:52
Teejay__I will check for new updates just incase although01:52
|lostbyte|Teejay__, Then you should be knows, when it happens. Whats the last thiing you do. ?01:53
|lostbyte|Teejay__, yes, do that first.01:53
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Teejay__it can be anything accessing the kmenu, running things like kopete, konversation, firefox and amarok at once01:54
Teejay__and then it just freezes01:54
Teejay__apart from that I have found kubuntu the ideal linux os for my needs :D01:54
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|lostbyte|Teejay__, Its just a matter of 12 hrs, the Final stable version is out. Update it then.01:56
Teejay__thanks jlostbyte01:57
|lostbyte|Teejay__, np ;).. I wish i could help more.01:57
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Linux_Galoreis there firefox 2.0 packages yet for kubuntu02:01
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|lostbyte|Linux_Galore, Na..02:02
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Linux_Galoreshame its allot better than 1.502:02
DrCurlI come from the gnome world. I would like to know if there is an equivalent to the gnome deskbar applet for the kicker? Deskbar is a launcher applet that search as you type...02:03
|lostbyte|Linux_Galore, Yes, many new features.02:03
Linux_Galorefaster too02:03
Linux_Galorein more ways than one, it also loads faster on the machines Ive updated02:04
|lostbyte|Linux_Galore, just have to check it out first, to really know..02:04
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|lostbyte|DrCurl, Searches for ?02:04
Linux_GaloreDrCurl: hmm katapult02:04
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|lostbyte|DrCurl, oh ! just hit alt + space and type in the program name.02:05
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DrCurl|lostbyte|, there are various plugins, basically, search for apps, files, on the web02:05
turbojugendanyone here to help me with kxdocker (I am new to KDE...) ??????????02:05
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Linux_Galoreturbojugend: whats the problem02:06
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DrCurlthanks guys02:06
|lostbyte|DrCurl, np ;)02:06
turbojugendI can't start the damn thing02:06
|lostbyte|run kxdocker from konsole. .02:06
turbojugendLinux_Galore: I am new to KDE not to Linux :P, idid i get errors wanna post 'em?02:07
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|lostbyte|turbojugend, sure.02:07
jarnHow do I move things around on my kicker? Somehow my click etc all got moved left.02:07
DrCurlkatapult looks like the perfect thing, I was jalous of OS X because of quicksilver02:08
|lostbyte|jarle, middle click and drag.02:08
|lostbyte|jarn, ^^02:08
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: I use ksmoothbar, kxdocker is stagnant right now02:08
jarn|lostbyte|: That didn't work for me... :/02:08
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GnarusLeoHi! How do I update to firefox 2.0?02:09
|lostbyte|jarn, first make sure, its not locked ( right-click + unlock_panel ).02:09
turbojugendLinux_Galore: Notice i am using Beryl and baghira.....error: X error bad device etc etc    AND    says the conf files are corrupt both users and system...?02:09
jarn|lostbyte|: It isn't.02:10
|lostbyte|GnarusLeo, No package in the repo. that is on dapper. no idea about edgy.02:10
|lostbyte|jarn, what are you trying to move ?02:10
DrCurlLinux_Galore, do you mean ksmoothdock?02:10
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: kxdocker is very experimental and unstable but I found ksmoothbar allot better02:11
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turbojugendLinux_Galore: the repos one work (ksmoothbar, is it nice?02:11
Linux_Galoresorry ksmoothdock02:11
GnarusLeo|lostbyte|, do you know how I upgrade to edgy?02:11
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jarn|lostbyte|: The system tray and the clock.02:11
turbojugendjeroenvrp either dl the rc disc, or sudo apt-get dist upgrad02:11
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jeroenvrpturbojugend: ?02:12
turbojugendLinux_Galore, the ksmoothdock from repos is it working?02:12
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: dont know I built from source02:12
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turbojugendany special deps?02:12
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: not that I noticed02:13
turbojugendlol jereonverp wrong post sorry02:13
|lostbyte|turbojugend, kooldock02:13
turbojugendok kooldock or ksmoothbar?02:13
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Linux_Galoreneither, both are just clutter02:14
turbojugendthe repos one (koolbar) is working?02:14
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Linux_Galoreyeah, its all just junk at the end of the day, its doesnt improve your performance02:14
|lostbyte|turbojugend, i belive ksmoothbar comes in kooldock02:14
turbojugendLinux_Galore clutter=?02:14
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: its not needed02:14
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=== Jucato thinks that it depends on the person using it, and that the user himself should decide...
turbojugendlostbyte, ha? i lost you some more info plz (again will adept get me a working dock with those , i am tired of faulty compiles...02:15
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Linux_Galoreits still not needed if you have kicker02:15
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chupahi 2 all02:15
turbojugendlol kiba-dock is just a starter, i decided to try KDE for a real docker02:16
Linux_Galorehaving kicker and ksmoothbar kxdocker both running is just a waste of desk space and resources02:16
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xsachathrow in kiba-dock too02:16
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|lostbyte|turbojugend, yes, i should. i can always uninstall, if you dont like it.02:16
JucatoLinux_Galore: actually, you don't run them with kicker... it's on or the other. not both02:16
turbojugendLinux_galore ksmoothbar is a docker or a launcher?02:16
turbojugendjucato, i agree02:16
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ubotudocker: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4-3 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 84 kB02:17
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: same as the osx docker in concept02:17
ubotulauncher: Selects which program to launch according to extension. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.86-1 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 124 kB02:17
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turbojugendok to me launcher i mean just launching apps, while docker can host a tray trrashbin etc02:18
Linux_Galoreturbojugend: ksmoothdock does both02:18
turbojugendok, thnx02:18
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turbojugendkooldock seems nice at a glimpse, any usefull ideas for it?02:22
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Stevsomeone can help me with an ntfs partition?02:24
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londondavehi all, when i try to play flash video files in mplayer or vlc I only get audio, no video. I am using kubuntu edgy-any ideas?02:25
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robinhello, how do i stop app's from starting on boot that where open when I shut down?02:25
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Jucatorobin: close them before you logout02:26
Jucatoor set Session Manager to "Start from an empty session"02:26
livingdaylightanyone know which is better ?02:26
|lostbyte|londondave, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs02:26
robinjucato- where is session manger02:26
|lostbyte|robin, kcontrol.02:27
Jucatorobin: somewhere in System Settings.02:27
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Jucatosorry I'm  not on Dapper so I can't say where it is exactly02:27
Stevi cannot access my ntfs partition anymore: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,02:27
livingdaylightanyone know which book is better?02:27
londondave|lostbyte|, I just checked I have the extra codecs installed?02:28
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|lostbyte|londondave, sudo apt-get install w32codecs02:28
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hrp2171what is the name of the app to tweak KDE's eye candy? like the panel's popups?02:28
|lostbyte|robin, System Settings > kde_components > session manager.02:29
londondave|lostbyte|, I have those as well?02:29
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|lostbyte|londondave, you mean those .flv files right ?02:30
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londondave|lostbyte|, yes flv-I am stumped, mplayer played them ok in dapper02:30
hrp2171if anyone remembers, KDE has an initial walk-thru config where you can select how much eyecandy you want based on your  cpu and system. where can i find that app?02:31
livingdaylightlooking for a book for open office02:31
Jucatohrp2171: kpersonalizer02:31
livingdaylightWhich is better the Dummies for open office or...02:31
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livingdaylightPoint n Click by ROBIN mILLER02:32
hrp2171livingdaylight: the best way to learn an office suite is by using it, but if you want some light reading while away from the comp, go with Dummies.02:32
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|lostbyte|londondave, sorry, i am on dapper at the moment.02:33
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londondave|lostbyte|, thanks anyway02:34
hrp2171funny thing, the last time i received formal training on an office suite was with office 95.02:34
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londondaveIs anyone using the sagem fast 800 usb modem in edgy?02:34
hrp2171afterworth, they all look the same to me02:34
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monadhi, i recently upgraded to dapper and now am experiencing problems with opengl02:35
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livingdaylighthrp2171: no, sorry, it is not a matter of simply wanting some light reading. And NO i do not learn simply by using an application, not one such as openoffice suite, so i want a manual/reference to guide me so i can get more out of the OO.o suite02:35
monadseems the references in glu.h etc... have changed02:35
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Hattoriwhen i do "sudo ifup eth0" i get: error: temporary failure in name resolution. what could be? dns not set? where to set dns servers?02:36
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monadanyone working with opengl?02:36
GnarusLeook, when I have upgraded to edgy, how do I get firefox 2.0?02:36
londondaveHattori, /etc/resolve.conf02:36
livingdaylightPlease wait one more day for the full and official release of Edgy02:36
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GnarusLeolivingdaylight, oh, really .. is it comming out tomorrow?02:37
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Hattori/etc/resolve.conf or /etc/resolv.conf?02:37
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: yes...only 24 more hours!02:37
Hattorii just write "" nothing else?02:37
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ubotuedgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule02:39
ubotuUbuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule02:39
londondaveHattori, resolv.conf: but it is over written at boot, if you are using a router you need to change or check another file-hang on i'll find that one02:39
GnarusLeobut theres no harm in upgrading today anyways02:39
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Hattorilondondave: i still get same error, when i do "ifup eth0" =\02:39
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livingdaylightGnarusLeo: its your call...Some will tell you no, that they are already using it and its is fine. Others will tell you that it is always best to get the final final full and official release. Personally i can wait 1 more day. Afterall what is wrong with Dapper anyways ;)02:41
turbojugendhey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?02:41
londondaveHattori, if you are using dhcp with a router you need to change /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf02:41
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GnarusLeolivingdaylight, nah .. the differenece is that you have to get a couple of more packages tomorrow .. nothing more :)02:41
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, Im just eeger to get my hans on firefox 2.0 :)02:42
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: can not do so already anyhow?02:42
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, maybe, but the easiest way is to just upgrade your distro02:42
Hattorilondondave: i use static02:43
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: my experience of upgrading distros is not positive. I find i always need to do a complete and fresh install02:43
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, I have never needed to fresh my install :)02:43
GnarusLeobreezy - badger - egdy :)02:43
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: backup home dir; fresh install; add backup02:43
londondaveHattori, at the top of that file add 'prepend domain-name-servers address1, address2;', without the quotes and then do /etc/init.d/networking restart02:44
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: that is incredible - you have good luck then02:44
turbojugendhey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?02:44
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londondaveHattori, where address 1 & 2 are the dns server addresses of your isp02:44
BluesKajhowdy all02:44
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: well, i'm waiting till tomorrow or even the day after and downloading the official iso and doing a fresh install02:44
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, nah, its not allways about the luck. Sometimes you got to tweak some to get apt accept all the packages02:45
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GnarusLeocan be a little tricky sometimes02:45
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, maybe thats a good idea anyways :)02:45
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GnarusLeolivingdaylight, I have to much crap packages anyways :P02:45
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londondaveHattori, if your using static add the addresses to the top of /etc/resolv.conf and so the network restart02:46
nitro[XL] i installed new kubuntu rc release .. and ogg work in amarok, but no mp3 .. whats missing ?02:46
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: you would do if you'r egoing back to the badger... Time to do a spring clean and start fresh02:46
Jucato!mp3 | nitro[XL] 02:46
ubotunitro[XL] : For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:46
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turbojugendntroXL, go to the faq in kubuntu.org foolow the music guide02:46
BluesKajyeah, I may as well do th same , since after upgrading to edgy yesterday i van no longer boot into it ...startx generates the message ..."cannot find X "...something about settings being at  -1 instead of 002:47
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, how do you backup your home? Just backup all of you /home/user/* ?02:47
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: thats what i do. there's prolly a fancier way of doing it, but i don't know02:47
turbojugendhey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?02:47
GnarusLeolivingdaylight, nah, that will work :) Maybe .tar.gz it to save som space :)02:47
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livingdaylightGnarusLeo: i just burn it to cd02:47
livingdaylightGnarusLeo: or dvd if you need it  :p02:48
hrp2171Jucato: thanks :)02:48
Hattorilondondave: i added the nds server to top of /etc/resolv.conf and ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, but still error.02:48
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londondaveHattori, you need to do the network restart02:48
BluesKajJucato , what command will get me into X other than "statrx" ?02:49
londondaveBluesKaj, did you install kubuntu-desktop02:49
BluesKajerr startx02:49
Jucato"sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" ?02:49
livingdaylightCan you tell me if either books come reccommended for Open Office - Dummies for Open Office or Robin Miller's Point & Click OpenOffice.org02:49
BluesKajican't boot into edgy02:49
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Hattorilondondave: how?02:50
londondaveBluesKaj, if you didn't install kubuntu-desktop you won't have the Xorg packages so you won't have an X to start02:50
robinI made a mistake and stop the auto upadter from starting on boot, how do i fix?02:50
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nitro[XL] i installed all but w32codecs and libxine-extracodecs wont install02:51
londondaveHattori, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart02:51
BluesKajlondondave , you are saying that desktop is a seperate install02:51
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Vegeta^When I use speciel characters in KATE (like , ,  and ect.) the editor doesn't recognize them when I oppen the file later? Is it possible to make it know the characters?02:52
londondaveBluesKaj, yes you have to install Kubuntu-desktop and a python package too02:52
BluesKajso what can I do do to boot into edgy ?02:52
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londondaveBluesKaj, try in konsole- sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop02:53
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BluesKajcan't get to a the konsole, edgy won't boot ...I'm in windows right now02:53
Jucatolondondave: what's the problem?02:54
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Hattorilondondave: now i can ping, but when i restarted i still get same error02:54
Jucatowith BluesKaj?02:54
BluesKajcan't boot into edgy , Jucato02:55
londondaveBluesKaj, use the command prompt infront of you02:55
JucatoBluesKaj: upgraded from Dapper?02:55
JucatoBluesKaj: welcome to my world :P02:55
BluesKajin windows right now02:55
JucatoBluesKaj: do as londondave said and "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"02:55
Jucatoif there are any errors, note them down...02:56
robin hello,  I made a mistake and stop the adept auto updater from starting on boot, how do i fix?02:56
BluesKajJucato , I'm not in linux , it won't boot !02:56
londondaveHattori, type ifconfig02:56
Jucatoor just a hunch.. try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"02:56
JucatoBluesKaj: where does it stop in the booting process?02:56
Hattorilondondave: eth0 and lo interfaces listed02:56
BluesKajat the startx prompt02:57
JucatoBluesKaj: so you have a command line? then type in that command "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"02:57
londondaveHattori, what does it say in the logs, have a look at ksytemlog viewer02:57
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BluesKajok ' i'll reboot and try that02:58
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londondaveBluesKaj, you also need to install another python-qt package02:58
Jucatothank goodness for irssi :P02:59
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monadhi, can anyone tell me how to set up ssh on this machine, so that i can get inside from outside, too, not only the other way around?02:59
Jucatomaybe BluesKaz should learn to use it :)02:59
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monadin gentoo, it works fine by just running /etc/init.d/sshd start, which creates all necessary keys02:59
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Hattorilondondave: when i do network restart it says: eth0: lin up, 100 mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x45e1        can't find host ntp.ubuntu.com          no servers can be used, exiting03:00
Hattorion differnet lines03:00
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monadprobably because the network isn'T running yet03:01
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londondaveHattori, ntp is the time server, have you got your isp dns servers in resolv.conf03:01
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monadso... anyone here can tell me about the ssh daemon?03:02
Hattorilondondave: i usually point to router address03:02
robinauto update notification isnt starting on boot, how do i change that?03:02
Hattorilondondave: i added that works on windows installations03:02
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londondaveHattori, I take you have a network, what si the linux box connected to?03:04
RawSewagecan I do this:   I have no Linux installed.  Tomorrow, I put in the old Dapper LiveCD.  Can I install Edgy directly from that over the internet?03:04
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Hattorilondondave: to router03:04
londondaveHattori, do you have a web setup page for the router03:04
monadraw: yes03:04
RawSewagemonad, cool ty03:05
Hattorilondondave: yes03:05
Hattorianyway, it always worked.. i just tried to add a dns server different from but still same error03:05
londondaveHattori, ok you need to comment out all lines in /etc/resolv.conf and setup the dns addresses via the router, the router does all the work03:06
Hattorisame error03:07
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Hattorilondondave: where can i see an example of /etc/network/interfaces file?03:07
Hattorimaybe something is wrong there03:07
londondaveHattori, you don't need to worry about that, the router will do the dns-just log into the router and setup the account for your isp and provide the info it needs, read the routers manual03:08
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Hattorilondondave: i said you that 3 windows and 1 linux box are already connected to that router03:10
Hattoriand all working fine03:10
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londondaveHattori, you didn't mention the windows boxes, just the router, your going to need to read the routers manual, and connect via the windows box that is plugged into the phone line03:11
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Hattorilondondave: too bad, in resolv.conf i had to write "nameserver" and not just "". as i said, router is just fine03:13
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londondaveHattori, yes you have to put nameserver otherwise it's just a number which means nothing to linux03:14
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Hattorilondondave: need the repository list to upgrade to last ubuntu version03:15
londondavehi all, when i try to play flash video files in mplayer or vlc I only get audio, no video. I am using kubuntu edgy-any ideas?03:15
londondaveHattori, what version are you using03:15
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londondaveHattori, yes breezy, dapper?03:16
Hattorihow can i find?03:17
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hammerhow do i download a single package without required dependencies?03:20
BluesKajok, still stuck at start prompt ... sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop , didn't install ..."could not find pkg kubuntu"03:21
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londondaveBluesKaj, kubuntu-desktop with a hyphen03:21
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JucatoBluesKaj: err.. yeah... there's a hyphen...03:22
BluesKajlondondave , it installed kde  ok with that prompt03:22
BluesKajit can't find X03:22
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JucatoBluesKaj: most probably, the xserver packages are still held back when you try to dist-upgrade03:23
londondaveBluesKaj, you also need to install python-qt3 and python-kde3 then you should get edgy03:23
larson9999isn't about time to release?03:23
hammerhow to install package which is not in deb format?03:23
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BluesKajok , will try that03:24
hammerbut it should be...03:24
BluesKajJucato , i' already have edgy installed , just can't boot into it03:24
JucatoBluesKaj: I know. that happened to me too03:25
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Jucatodang! forgot to tell him about irssi...03:25
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londondavecan anyone play flv flash video in edgy?03:35
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xsachayes i can, amd64 kubuntu edgy rc1 playing flash videos fine03:36
londondavexsacha, what did use to play the files with03:36
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xsachai mean inside a browser, i havent tried outside the browser yet03:37
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londondavexsacha, yes they play in the browser plugin, I mean like mplayer or vlc?03:37
_Shade_hi there03:38
_Shade_will my gpu be handled by edgy?03:38
_Shade_it's radeon 750003:38
londondavexsacha, I tried both and all i get is audio, in dapper mplayer played flv ok?03:39
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xsachanot sure what would be different :S03:39
xsacha_Shade_: why would your video card matter? it might matter for beryl03:39
xsachayou want 3d acceleration?03:39
_Shade_xsacha indeed03:40
xsachawhich drivers? propietry or open source?03:40
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_Shade_xsacha well it would be nice to see beryl in action on that card anyways :)03:41
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_Shade_xsacha it doesn't matter if it would go smooth03:41
xsachais it a mobility card?03:41
_Shade_xsacha what do you mean exactly?03:42
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xsachatwo versions, radeon 7500 and radeon mobility 7500 (laptops)03:42
hazard2hi xsacha03:43
_Shade_xsacha i suppose it's a non-laptop version since i have a desktop machine03:43
xsachaapparently a clipping/drawing error for desktop with radeon 7500, but someone reports getting 900 fps (on glxgears) in beryl with that card03:43
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xsachamobility one has some issues though03:43
hazard2any idea why my desktop icons might occosonally dissapear?03:44
xsachain beryl?03:44
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BluesKajJucato , londondave ,  "xinit: connection refused (error111) unable to connect to x server"03:45
_Shade_xsacha so is there a chance to get it work in edgy? I've tried to install the ati software but the x server doesn't start after this trial03:45
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xsacha_Shade_: Here is a video (on youtube) of someone with ubuntu XGL + beryl + gnome on a Radeon mobility 7500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkImJYysEo&search=aiglx%20xgl%20compiz%20beryl03:45
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londondaveBluesKaj, was that from a reboot03:46
BluesKajthat was after installing kubuntu-desktop and python-qt3 and pytho-kde3 ..at the start prompt ,03:47
BluesKajyes a reboot03:47
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BluesKajerr python-kde303:48
ravariathere is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it??03:48
JucatoBluesKaj: have you tried doing dist-upgrade again? some things might still be held back. if they are, you could try "sudo aptitude dist-ugprade" this time (that worked for me...)03:48
_Shade_xsacha could you suggest some good how-to please, because i did not manage to get it work on edgy last time03:48
hazard2why does it take an eternity for desktop pictures to load?03:49
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londondaveBluesKaj, did you install the python packages03:49
xsachawhich method are you using? aiglx or xgl?03:49
BluesKajyes londondave , I did03:49
xsachafor xgl you will need to use much older drivers because the latest fglrx propietry drivers will not support old cards03:49
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londondaveBluesKaj, so you installed the two: qt3 and kde303:50
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BluesKajyes londondave03:50
hazard2what is qt3?03:50
londondaveBluesKaj, ok type startx03:50
blackflaghello all :)03:50
blackflagI have a problem with kdeprint03:51
BluesKajtried that , doesn't  see X03:51
_Shade_xsacha where can i get these then?03:51
blackflagkdeprint is loosing my usb printer03:51
Jucatohazard2: Qt is the toolkit that KDE uses, just like GNOME uses GTK. qt3 is the version used in the KDE 3 series03:51
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blackflagwhen i do lsusb the printer is there but not in kde print03:51
ravariathere is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it??03:51
blackflagcan someone help?03:51
BluesKajlondondave , this is the message i get at startx : "xinit: connection refused (error111) unable to connect to x server"03:51
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xsacha_Shade_: xgl method? you'll need to go to ati site and click their link for "older drivers"03:52
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JucatoBluesKaj: some packages might still have been held back...03:52
londondaveBluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says03:52
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xsacha_Shade_: or perhaps you will find a deb package for them -- try google03:52
JucatoBluesKaj: btw, there's a command line IRC program you might be interested in. it's installed by default on Ubuntu/Kubuntu. "irssi"03:53
ravariathere is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it?? it is simethig like ?????router03:53
ravariaI don't remember03:53
_Shade_xsacha ok thanks... and one more thing: i heard that fglrx doesn't support composite. Is it true?03:53
BluesKajyes I've used it ...ok I'll communicate thru irssi03:53
Jucatolondondave: yay. it will be easier for both of you to communicate :)03:54
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Das_Eihave problems with nicotine....03:55
Das_Eican anyone help?03:55
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Das_Eihave problems with nicotine....03:56
Das_Eican anyone help?03:56
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Das_Eihave problems with nicotine....03:57
Das_Eihave problems with nicotine....03:57
xsacha_Shade_: yes03:57
Das_Eican anyone help?03:57
B-Minusask it 40 more times03:57
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Das_Eifunny thanks03:57
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_Shade_xsacha oh that03:58
_Shade_xsacha oh that's too bad :(03:58
_Shade_xsacha and there's no way to get it work eh?03:59
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hazard2anyone have any idea why my KDE desktop occosonally decides to hide all the icons?03:59
BluesKajlondondave: ls-lh/etc/X11/X , "no such file or directory"04:00
hazard2you need spaces04:01
xsacha_Shade_: ATI give very very bad driver support, they are real slackers .. all my cards are unfortunately ATI too :(04:01
hazard2and /etc/X11/X is a file04:01
xsachaopen source drivers are slower but better support04:01
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londondaveBluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says-there needs to be a space between the h and /04:02
_Shade_xsacha well i got that card from my friend because i was using nvidia recently... but it was riva tnt2 :)04:02
BluesKajI'm in irssi shell, how do i open another one ?04:02
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_Shade_xsacha btw: there's no "older drivers" section on their site04:03
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londondaveBluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says-there needs to be a space between the h and /04:03
xsachait should be in the download section of newer drivers, a link for older cards04:03
xsachai cant link to it because of their 'leeching' page04:04
xsachaargh their site seems to have changed recently.. all this amd stuff, links are broken everywhere04:05
_Shade_xsacha i can't find it there neither - there's no any link to an older ones04:06
xsacha_Shade_: go to the link for radeon 8500+ drivers and it will have a link for older cards that aren tsupported04:06
xsachaon the download page04:06
office2hello :)04:06
xsacha_Shade_: "As of driver version 8.29.6 support for the following products is no longer included:" .... "Users with these products should use driver version 8.28.8"[link here!] 04:07
xsacha_Shade_: then on the right hand side it will have link to other 'related' drivers, click on the oldest one.. i think this one supports your card?04:08
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xsachasorry, your card isnt on support list :( have to try google then :(04:09
_Shade_xsacha ah i haven't clicked the last link because i thought it is a direct download url, sorry :)04:09
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xsacha_Shade_: ATI site links to: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ :(04:10
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_Shade_xsacha so i can't download the proper driver?04:13
xsachathose drivers come with edgy, _Shade_.. if you choose to use the open source drivers -- check if they give you 3d acceleration04:13
xsachaseems you cant04:13
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Das_Eihow can i track the connection?04:14
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Das_Eia connection may i say04:14
_Shade_xsacha well maybe it's somewhere else on the net...04:14
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xsachaapparently they never made 3d drivers for that card?04:15
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xsachaalthough, the open source drivers seem to work very well on that card04:16
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tokeHere I am again !04:16
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tokeI have a question: I try to open /home/toke/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Steam in console04:17
_Shade_xsacha but i can't run xgl on it?04:17
tokebut because of the space between Program and Files, it gives an error that the folder doesnt exists04:17
_Shade_xsacha i mean the open drivers04:17
xsachawell there was a video on youtube of someone with it, so yeah you should be able to04:17
Jucatotoke: try Tab completion... type in Program, the press Tab04:18
Jucatovery handy in Konsole04:18
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tokethank you very much.. that's the thing i needed :D I need to fill in /Program\ Files/04:19
_Shade_xsacha well does it matter to bother with the proprietary drivers then ? :)04:19
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xsachanaah dont bother with them04:20
_Shade_xsacha can you point any good info about how to set them up?04:20
xsachathere's 1000s of howtos now :P im sure there is one specific to your card too, check google04:21
_Shade_all i know is the "proprietary" howto :)04:21
xsachaalso, join the #beryl channel04:21
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_Shade_xsacha i have one more idea... i could use a script like easyubuntu/automatix or stuff... i'm not sure if they work though04:25
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dinosaur-rusI'm confused - when ordered CDs arrived, I saw " 5.00" in "Total waarde" column... :S04:25
Conhehow-to runnig aplication in cobol ?04:26
Conhehow-to runnig aplication maked  cobol ?04:26
xsacha_Shade_: thing is, they never *ever* made a driver for it.. only option is open source04:26
_Shade_ah i c04:27
monadhi, since upgrading to dapper, i'm having trouble compiling opengl programs, i get f.e. freeglut Unable to create direct context rendering for window04:27
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_Shade_xsacha http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide the first position there... is it an 'open' way ?04:30
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monadseems it's looking for gl.h which doesn't seem to exist04:30
xsachaboth are closed way _Shade_04:31
jendeJucato: Hey, my friend have you ever experienced that once you're booting the DD Live CD that everything works fine until DD wants to set up the desktop?04:31
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xsachaif they mention fglrx, it's closed.. that's ati's driver and doesnt work with your card04:32
Jucatojende: nope... they worked fine for me04:32
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jendeJucato: damn it...just trying to set up a DD for my boy on a P3 and it just wont04:32
Jucatojende: but that CD worked perfectly before?04:33
BluesKajhiyas jende04:33
xdemonwhen edgy release?04:33
jendeJucato: havent tested it - will test it quickly here on my notebook, will be back shortly04:33
londondavecan anyone play flv flash video in edgy?04:34
Jucatoxdemon: Oct 2604:34
jendexdemon: tomorrow04:34
Jucatojende: sure thing04:34
_Shade_xsacha maybe i should just re-install my kubuntu os and there would be the drivers fron scratch?04:34
xdemonoh... i download RC04:34
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dinosaur-rusis there any way to detect what Kubuntu version (Knot 1, Knot 2, RC, etc.) is installed?04:35
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Jucatodinosaur-rus: "lsb_release -a" in Konsole04:35
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scheurihi all04:36
dinosaur-rusJucato: thx04:36
Jucatodinosaur-rus: it will tell you if you're Dapper or Edgy only, though04:36
xsacha_Shade_: i guess.. you could then just install beryl and type in "beryl" and it'd just work.. just che: glxinfo | grep direct04:36
londondavedinosaur-rus, kcontrol normally shows what you a running04:36
BluesKajhere's what I got from the ls -lh /etcX11/X command, londondave : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-10-24 19:00 /etc/X11/X -> /bin/true04:36
Jucatolondondave: not the distribution, though04:36
xsachaoh and get emerald as well for the window decorations04:36
londondaveJucato, yes just checked only the kernel04:36
dinosaur-rusJucato: do betas, RCs and final versions differ in packages versions only?04:37
_Shade_xsacha ok i will... thanks for your patience pal :)04:37
londondaveBluesKaj, then X is not installed04:37
xsacha_Shade_: if you get any problems getting beryl to work straight off, come in #beryl and we'll work thru it :)04:37
BluesKajok londondave , what's next ?04:37
xsachait's still alpha and may have a few problems but most can be fixed04:38
Jucatodinosaur-rus: Edgy betas and RC's will still be Edgy. they sometimes differ in package versions, sometimes not. the Beta/RC are just sort of timeline stops...04:38
_Shade_xsacha ok thanks mate04:38
ohmbrhow do i change a icon of a sh file?04:38
londondaveBluesKaj, its should have installed X when you installed kubuntu-desktop I will check04:38
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_Shade_take care y'all04:39
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BluesKajhow do i open another shell in irssi without the GUI ?04:39
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dinosaur-rusJucato: thx again04:40
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BluesKajor how do i get back to the start prompt without leaving the chat ?04:42
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reonHow do I restore Edgy to it's original state after I have played around with it's appearance04:43
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Jucatoreon: most drastic one: delete the ~/.kde directory04:43
londondaveBluesKaj, install xorg and see what it wants to install-hopefully it will install the lot04:44
Jucatobut this will also remove some data from apps, like cookies,  mails, bookmarks, etc04:44
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JucatoBluesKaj: open another terminal, press Ctrl+Alt+F204:44
jendeJucato: weird, works fine on both NB's04:44
CVirusJucato: I wouldnt recommend that .... mv ~/.kde ~/.oldkde .... he might have E-mails or important things there .. you never know04:44
reonJucato: I suppose upon restart it will be restored to it's correct state ?04:44
BluesKajok , londondave , how do i stay in irssi and still run from the prompt ?04:44
JucatoCVirus: heh that's why I said it was "drastic"04:45
JucatoBluesKaj: Ctrl+Alt+F2 will give you another tty04:45
reonBluesKaj, it's ok as it's a fresh install, I only have a few konq bookmarks04:45
CVirusJucato: didnt notice that04:45
JucatoCtrl+Atl+F1-6 gives you about 6 terminals to use04:45
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Jucatojende_: so it won't work only on your boy's PC?04:46
jende_Jucato: yep04:46
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PiRi've a pb with my printer04:51
PiRin windows : no pb all right04:51
PiRbut in kubuntu04:51
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PiRwhen i want to print04:51
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PiRthe printer give empty page04:51
PiRempty pages04:51
PiRand doesn't stop04:52
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PiRi have to stop manualy my printer04:52
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PiRhow can i configure my printer ?04:52
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CVirusPiR: press alt + f2 and type kprinter and hit enter04:53
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sebsebsebI got Ubuntu and Kubuntu here05:01
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sebsebseband it uses the Gnome Display Manager05:01
sebsebsebhowever well05:01
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sebsebsebWhen it opens up the GDM  it gives me this message:  The greeter application appears to be crashing.  Attempting to use another one.  Then now well I got the default theme again ;)  ,but it seems to not be disaplying quite right.   When I log out of KDE I get this: The application The KDE Session Manager (ksmserver) crashed and caused the signal 11, (SIGSEGV)05:01
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sebsebsebyeah  I just had to change the theme didn't I,  I regret this now, because of the problems05:02
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sebsebsebGDM and KDM are pretty much the same thing?  maybe I should just change to KDM05:02
sebsebseb,but anyone know how to fix the above problems?05:02
SHRIKEEGnome and KDE you mean05:03
sebsebsebGnome Display Manager and K Display Manager05:03
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sebsebsebthe log in thing05:03
sebsebsebinto Ubuntu/Kubuntu etc05:03
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dinosaur-rusanyone uses Opera's e-mail client on Yahoo! account?05:03
SHRIKEEoh, i dont know about that, sebsebseb05:04
sebsebsebYahoo sucks , but that's another story05:04
SHRIKEEwhy does yahoo suck05:04
sebsebseb,because they are arse holes,  I used to be rather loyal to them and use them for my emails,  but well05:04
v3ctoryahoomail doesn't support pop05:04
SHRIKEEyahoo does05:04
SHRIKEEbut not for free acounts05:04
v3ctorwho would pay for yahoo mail ;)05:05
SHRIKEEi dont know05:05
SHRIKEEbut thats how it is