[12:11] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: you have any idea how to install kdm theme....
[12:11] <BluesKaj> that word that stats with "w" triggers uboto offtopic messages , it seems :)
[12:11] <cheewie> hey
[12:11] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: the theme manager?
[12:12] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: the login screen
[12:12] <DaSkreech> !windows > BluesKaj
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hehe :)
[12:12] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: installed kdmtheme ?
[12:14] <cpk2> otaku-san: apt-get install kdmtheme
[12:14] <oslo> aumuell> first time you plugin
[12:14] <oslo> did it work ?
[12:14] <aumuell> i don't remember
[12:14] <aumuell> that's so long ago
[12:14] <aumuell> how do you use it anyway?
[12:15] <alejandro> Buenas noches desde Barcelona
[12:15] <oslo> aumuell> because when i plug it in it write on ipod "do not disconnect"
[12:16] <aumuell> yes, that means that your computer is ready to mount it, oslo
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !es
[12:17] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:17] <aumuell> oslo: and if you want to unplug it, then choose 'safely remove ipod' from its context menu on the desktop
[12:17] <aumuell> then this 'do not disconnect' goes away
[12:18] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: How goes?
[12:19] <oslo> aumuell> how make it be automaticalt mounted ?
[12:19] <aumuell> oslo: that just works for me in edgy
[12:19] <aumuell> kde does this
[12:20] <aumuell> in some way that is not known to me, but probably via hal
[12:21] <oslo> aumuell> i'm on edgy too, what have you change ?
[12:21] <oslo> do u have mkdir something in media ?
[12:21] <aumuell> oslo: no, that gets created automatically
[12:22] <ianmacgregor> My only complaint is that it has taken me five hours to tweak everything about KDE when it only took me a half an hour in gnome. KDE has way too many tweaks for every little silly thing.. overkill in all its glory.
[12:22] <oslo> aumuell> not 4 me :/
[12:22] <DaSkreech> ianmacgregor: the secret is to take your time and savour it
[12:22] <DaSkreech> tune your system over a year or two :)
[12:22] <afm\colossus> well, the drawback of gnome is
[12:22] <oslo> aumuell> i'll try with ipod pugged at startup ...
[12:22] <afm\colossus> it just somehow sucks
[12:22] <afm\colossus> imho, of course ;)
[12:23] <cpk2> dont worry after a worry or 2 of using kde you will be attached to it
[12:23] <cpk2> and if anything happens to your configs you will be in misery
[12:24] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: sorry...phonecall came in.  No, I'm meaning how would you go about changing the look of the login screen
[12:25] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: install kdmtheme ?
[12:26] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: I guess...
[12:26] <DaSkreech> otaku-san: I'm confused. does that mean you did?
[12:26] <otaku-san> cpk2: what does that do?  Does it install a theme manager....
[12:27] <cpk2> otaku-san: thats what you use to change the login screen
[12:27] <DaSkreech> cpk2: Oh cool talk otaku-san through it
[12:28] <DaSkreech> I'm heading out
[12:28] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: ok on kde-looks.org there are skins you could say for the login screen.  I downed a skin and tried to install using the howto instructions on the site...it didn't work...mainly because one of the folders is not there
[12:28] <otaku-san> ....I was going to say bye...but I have to big of a mouth
[12:28] <cpk2> otaku-san: ignore the kde-look how to =P
[12:28] <cpk2> otaku-san: which one are you trying to get?
[12:28] <otaku-san> cpk2: yeah!  :)  I'm trying to get one called shuttle
[12:28] <otaku-san> I have on my box
[12:29] <cpk2> and its a tar right?
[12:29] <otaku-san> yes
[12:30] <cpk2> otaku-san: yeah install kdmtheme via apt
[12:31] <otaku-san> just do apt-get install kdetheme...and it'll find shuttle...or are you going to explain that?
[12:31] <otaku-san> thats a dumb question...I'll just do what you want :p
[12:31] <Kr4t05> Where are KDM themes stored?
[12:32] <Kr4t05> I want to edit one to make it custom.
[12:32] <cpk2> its kdmtheme
[12:32] <otaku-san> k it's installed
[12:33] <cpk2> and then run kdmtheme and enjoy!
[12:33] <cpk2> click install new theme and then choose the tar
[12:34] <otaku-san> cpk2: where would this be...and I typed kdmtheme in konsole...but it says command not found
[12:35] <cpk2> otaku-san: hmm aparently you cant do it from console... use the run command from kmenu
[12:35] <cpk2> maybe its in sbin or only the roots bin?
[12:35] <otaku-san> ohhhh fancy
[12:36] <lters_> any one succeed in upgrading from dapper to edgy with apt-get ?
[12:36] <cpk2> but that makes it real easy to change login themes =)
[12:36] <VanessaE> my husband did it.
[12:36] <VanessaE> a little messy but it is possible.
[12:36] <otaku-san> cpk2: ok...well I've learned something new about running it in the menu or pulling a root
[12:36] <CVirus> lters_: I would recommend that you wait for a couple of days
[12:36] <otaku-san> VanessaE: sounds fun
[12:36] <VanessaE> heh
[12:37] <lters_> CVirus: I tried and was disappointed.
[12:37] <cpk2> otaku-san: pulling a root?
[12:37] <lters_> the themes / power managment did not come along.
[12:38] <otaku-san> cpk2: typing sudo...I also say pulling a sudo but root sounds cooler
[12:38] <CVirus> I'll wait for 3 days after its officially released and we see reports of success upgrades
[12:38] <lters_> I tested the new stuff and it is good. (by doing a clean install)
[12:38] <otaku-san> CVirus: I'm with you....or I may not even at all...my system is to configed to be borked
[12:39] <black_13> i am trying to use adept to install qt3-examples but im not having any luck
[12:39] <lters_> t60 dual core ;)
[12:39] <cpk2> otaku-san: even sudo kdmtheme doesnt seem to work =\
[12:39] <cpk2> kind of odd
[12:39] <otaku-san> cpk2: hmmmm...thanks anyways...it worked
[12:39] <otaku-san> cpk2: ok I'm off to test it!!!!
[12:39] <cpk2> but using the kmenu run command does the trick so who cares =P
[12:39] <cpk2> otaku-san: just lock your session
[12:40] <otaku-san> that may work...
[12:40] <cpk2> otaku-san: lock your session and go to tty8
[12:40] <otaku-san> tty8...always wondered what that was
[12:41] <twenty2sixty> hi all! I just updated to edgy & was a little set back because a bug didn't fix itself as I hoped it would: Each time after I hibernate my machine + start it again later, I can no longer access the drives of my local fileserver that are mounted via fstab. Any ideas or hints what might cause this?
[12:41] <twenty2sixty> i had this problem with dapper already and hoped it would simply 'disappear' in edgy...
[12:42] <otaku-san> cpk2: didn't work....I'll be back
[12:42] <lters_> but did you get the new power tools?
[12:42] <cpk2> otaku-san: it should...
[12:42] <Dr_willis> twenty2sixty,  its a nfs fileserver?
[12:42] <cpk2> otaku-san: kmenu... switch user
[12:42] <cpk2> that will send you to tty8
[12:42] <otaku-san> cpk2: ahhh switch users...I was doing lock session
[12:43] <cpk2> well it will lock your session =P
[12:43] <otaku-san> lock current?
[12:43] <cpk2> yeah
[12:43] <twenty2sixty> Dr_willis: just a boring windoze-machine with fat32 + 1 ntfs-drive
[12:43] <otaku-san> ok
[12:43] <Dr_willis> twenty2sixty,  so you mean to say its a "samba"/smb/netbui share.. eh
[12:43] <Dr_willis> twenty2sixty,  may want to look into that smbfs feature of FUSE.
[12:44] <twenty2sixty> Dr_willis: What is FUSE?
[12:44] <Dr_willis> twenty2sixty,  somthign WELL worth learning about. :P
[12:44] <Dr_willis>  google for 'linux fuse'
[12:44] <Dr_willis> file system in user space.
[12:44] <cpk2> !fuse
[12:44] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:44] <Dr_willis> lets you do all sorts of neat tricks.. mount samba shares as directories on the fly,
[12:45] <Dr_willis> the !fuse factoid is stupid.. its refering to the ntfs feature.. it cen do MUCH MUCH more.
[12:45] <cpk2> oh sorry =X
[12:45] <Dr_willis> samba, sshfs, ftpfs, and way way more.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:45] <Dr_willis> its got to be one of the top 'under rated/unknown tools' out :)
[12:46] <Dr_willis> http://fuse.sourceforge.net/
[12:46] <Dr_willis> Filesystems based on FUSE  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[12:46] <twenty2sixty> Dr_willis: Sounds great! And you think by switching the way I access the fileserver (using FUSE instead of regular samba) the problem I've got will disappear?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> twenty2sixty,  not sure.. it may. part of the issue may be windows faults
[12:47] <cpk2> why even upgrade to edgy right now?
[12:47] <cpk2> its coming on thursday
[12:47] <lters_> power management
[12:47] <Dr_willis> could always do away with the smb/netbui/samba stuff.. and    use ssh instead
[12:47] <Dr_willis> I installed edgy just yesterday...
[12:47] <Dr_willis> so i can have it going now.. and just upgrade as the days go by.
[12:47] <lters_> apt-get dist-upgrad should get the updates, not
[12:48] <Dr_willis> no big rush to download it later.
[12:48] <tmg> I've got very ugly fonts on GTK1 apps, like in http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtk1fonttg3.png. Does anybody know how to fix this?
[12:48] <lters_> thursday mirros will be pegged.
[12:48] <cpk2> so if dapper is the LTS how often does an LTS come out?
[12:49] <twenty2sixty> Dr_willis: Thanks for your help! I'll check your hints out! Bye!
[12:49] <Dr_willis> fuse website is slow for me. :(
[12:49] <Dr_willis> cant get to the docs.
[12:49] <VanessaE> LTS just means it's supported for a long time after release.
[12:49] <VanessaE> but the release cycle is every 6 months.
[12:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:50] <VanessaE> heh
[12:50] <Dr_willis> I guess the LTS stuff is to apease the businesses out there.
[12:50] <Dr_willis> whatever 'support' actually does
[12:50] <VanessaE> Google is my support. :)
[12:51] <Dr_willis> ive yet to actually pin down what all this 'support' stuff does.
[12:51] <cpk2> canonical sells support
[12:51] <lters_> makes people like kodiaknetworks.com happy.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> if its like the stuff we get asked in here.... well.. a decent book  and a week of reading linux tutorials - is ayou need. :)
[12:51] <VanessaE> heh
[12:51] <Dr_willis> So the kodiak guys call canonical asking how to play mp3's and dvd's ?
[12:51] <cpk2> lol
[12:52] <VanessaE> nothing can truely replace interactive support sometimes.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> or how come their user cant access the ntfs shares?
[12:52] <lters_> will edgy get the thunderbird or will icedove be the new email client..?
[12:52] <Dr_willis> Or where such-and-such a menu item is..  since they just installed a program and its got no icon? :)
[12:52] <lters_> I will the name could stay the same.
[12:52] <cpk2> help plz windoze clients cant access samba shares!!11!oneone!1
[12:52] <VanessaE> haha
[12:52] <lters_> s/will/wish/
[12:52] <VanessaE> you forgot 'eleven' :)
[12:52] <cpk2> dangit
[12:53] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  you  gave the windows users a 'samba' password with sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME ?
[12:53] <lters_> hmm, edgy rc installer crashed.
[12:53] <cpk2> you actually dont need the windows username to be the same as the unix account
[12:53] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  correct.. but it makes things handy.
[12:53] <VanessaE> yeah you do.
[12:53] <cpk2> it asks for account name and password when you try to access the share
[12:53] <Dr_willis> your Linux USERS need to have a samba password..  or the windows users cant connect.
[12:53] <VanessaE> at least in Xp you do, otherwise windows won't remember the password.
[12:54] <Dr_willis> But then again.. #**@*@ samba.. use ssh and winscp. :)
[12:54] <VanessaE> stupidest thing I've ever heard of.  talk about insecure.
[12:54] <cpk2> Dr_willis: for some reason the girlfriend finds dragging and dropping into a samba drive easier than winscp =P
[12:54] <Dr_willis> ive had xp get confused and rembe the wrong password..
[12:55] <Dr_willis> winscp has a exploreer look alike feature i thought.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:55] <VanessaE> and this is precisely why I will never use windows on my box :)
[12:55] <cpk2> VanessaE: yes but is it too much to ask people to remember important things such as a password to access the shared drive?
[12:55] <VanessaE> cpk: it can be
[12:56] <VanessaE> I use line-noise passwords where I can....and I can't remember most of them :)
[12:56] <Dr_willis> do you want such people to be accessing your shares. :)
[12:57] <draik> I'm using k9Copy and it won't copy a DVD that I have. It will author if I don't check the box for keeping the original menus. If I do that, the movie will only select one video, not all 4 episodes
[12:57] <VanessaE> seriously though, it's an annoyance if you have a password you can easily remember, but if you're like me and have to look up your passwords all the time, it's a major irritant.
[12:57] <unix_infidel> why not just write a script to generate your passwords based on a passphrase.
[12:58] <cpk2> my root password is different from my sudo account password I always scare myself when using su -
[12:58] <VanessaE> unix: that would certainly work, if you can remember the passphrase :)
[12:58] <draik> As far as passwords go, I worked at a place that the password changed every 60 seconds... you were given a key card that would generate your username a password every 60 seconds if you needed a password
[12:58] <unix_infidel> at best you obfuscate it, but that's better than a 10 letter phrase with dictionary words.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> at work we have to change our passwords every 30 days...
[12:59] <VanessaE> now, granted, I remember my root and user passwords (both of which are line noise), but that's probably because I haven't changed them in years.
[12:59] <mike_> how can i insatll gnomeif i am using kubuntu?
[12:59] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: that's about standard.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> this on an account that i cant even DO anything with.. no editors or what not.. I just access 2 programs
[12:59] <cpk2> sorry but whats line noise?
[12:59] <Dr_willis> every 30 days is lame.
[12:59] <draik> my password means something to me, but not to anybody else.
[12:59] <VanessaE> line noise..
[12:59] <VanessaE> you know
[12:59] <unix_infidel> MS has A MUCH MORE stringent policy for their users.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> exp when the passwords are like "Bubba123"
[12:59] <VanessaE> like when you pick up the phone while your modem is connected
[12:59] <cpk2> oh
[01:00] <VanessaE> (if you remember back to the BBS days)
[01:00] <mike_> how can i install gnome from kde?
[01:00] <VanessaE> random characters
[01:00] <Dr_willis> I end up having to log in like 3 times.. to the system.. to one program, then to the other program. :)
[01:00] <VanessaE> mike: sudo apt-get install gnome :)
[01:00] <Dr_willis> each time with the same user, but different passwords.
[01:00] <mike_> didnt work
[01:00] <mike_> its sudo apt-get install gnome-dekstop
[01:00] <mike_> also didnt work
[01:00] <Dr_willis> how... vague
[01:00] <mike_> VanessaE: check this out http://pastebin.ca/219917
[01:00] <mike_> it didnt work
[01:00] <Dr_willis> the correct way is
[01:01] <fdoving> gnite
[01:01] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <mike_> Dr_willis: is that for me?
[01:01] <VanessaE> ack, look at the error he gets though
[01:01] <mike_> VanessaE:  straneg ehh
[01:01] <mike_> http://pastebin.ca/219917 its there if u missed the link before Dr_willis
[01:01] <VanessaE> not strange, I've seen errors like this
[01:01] <Dr_willis> !info ubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.120 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[01:02] <Abnaxos> Hi! Got a question ... I've made a dualscreen setup (no Xinerama, intentionally) with XGL/KDE on one screen and a plain flwm on the other. Works fine so far, but I can't cleanly log off (either ksmserver crashes or the screen stais black).
[01:02] <mike_> VanessaE:  so any ideas?
[01:02] <Dr_willis> dist-upgrade, perhaps use aptitude to install the packates..  perhaps.. hmm thats all i can think of off hand. :)
[01:02] <Seijurro> Whenever I try to install kubuntu off the CD, I get to the 5th step where it asks to partition the drive to install kubuntu. I try to use the first option and it gives me an error saying "failed to get enough free space".
[01:02] <VanessaE> mike: not sure.  see, when I added gnome to my box, I just did a `sudo apt-get install gnome` and that as the end of it
[01:02] <Dr_willis> and try ubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <Dr_willis> !info gnome
[01:02] <ubotu> gnome: The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.12.2.3 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 44 kB
[01:03] <Dr_willis> ive NEVER used apt-get install gnome. :P always ubuntu-desktop
[01:03] <Abnaxos> Looks like I missed something in session management. This is the script, that sets this configuration up: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/219924
[01:03] <VanessaE> well I only have gnome here to handle the 2 or 3 programs I use that seem to benefit from it (abiword's print dialog comes to mind)
[01:03] <gary_> hi, I need some help, I'm trying to get my 2nd Hard drive to work, i'm able to mount it, but can't write to it?
[01:03] <mike_> Dr_willis:  u mean do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> mike_,  thats how i always do it on kubuntu
[01:04] <VanessaE> gary: what filesystem is on it?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> like the first thing i install
[01:04] <gary_> ext3
[01:04] <mike_> Dr_willis: well i get the same error with that
[01:04] <Dr_willis> or visa versa - i install kubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu install
[01:04] <Dr_willis> mike_,  now try it with 'aptitude install ubuntu-desktop'
[01:04] <VanessaE> can you write to it as root?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> with a sudo at the front. :)
[01:04] <gary_> hold on, let me try
[01:05] <Seijurro> Anyone got an answer for me?
[01:05] <Whiz2> Question about printers again...
[01:05] <mike_> Dr_willis:  that seems to be working, it says its resolving dependancies?
[01:05] <VanessaE> gary: if you can write as root (sudo touch /mountpoint/blah.foo) then you probab ly just need to change the perms of the directory where the drive is mounted (call the 'mount point')
[01:05] <draik> Seijurro, do you have enough space?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> mike_,  aptitude seems to try harder. :)
[01:05] <mike_> Dr_willis: well it just said it didnt find a solution and i selcted try harder
[01:05] <Seijurro> 74.6 GBs free on a just freshly formatted drive
[01:06] <Dr_willis> lol...
[01:06] <gary_> yes
[01:06] <Seijurro> With windows installed.
[01:06] <VanessaE> gary: ok
[01:06] <Dr_willis> Seijurro,  FORMATTED? formated by what?
[01:06] <Whiz2> gary you may need to edit your fstab. Do you want to have full read/write access to your 2nd hard drive?
[01:06] <mike_> Dr_willis: its not finding a solution
[01:06] <Dr_willis> Seijurro,  heh - whats your exact drive layout.. best to have ubuntu install to a section of unallocated drive space.
[01:06] <VanessaE> gary:  add a group to your system dedicated to accessing that drive.  e.g. groupadd extstorage  or similar
[01:06] <gary_> well it's mounted in /media/Storage
[01:06] <Dr_willis> mike_,  thats pretty good messing it up that badly.  try aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:06] <VanessaE> ok
[01:06] <draik> Have the install format the partition for you
[01:07] <Seijurro> Don't know how to do that so...
[01:07] <VanessaE> ls -ld /media/Storage
[01:07] <mike_> lol
[01:07] <VanessaE> copy&paste the result here.
[01:07] <VanessaE> (should be one line)
[01:07] <Whiz2> yes if you have install format the partition for you, then you should be able to access it when you install linux
[01:07] <mike_> Dr_willis: dist upgrade didnt install anythign neew
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Seijurro,  it wants its own part of the hard drive empty.. not part of C: thats empty..
[01:07] <gary_> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2006-10-24 16:06 /media/Storage
[01:08] <VanessaE> ok, that's why.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> Seijurro,  i normally use gparted on the live cd.. resize the existing partitions, ane leave part Unallocated.
[01:08] <draik> Seijurro, Whiz2 is right, works well if you let the install format it for you
[01:08] <Seijurro> So I have to create another partition for it then.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> THEN let the ubuntu installer use the inallocated space.
[01:08] <Whiz2> My printer question... When sharing a network printer from a linux machine accessed from a windows machine, if I have a windows install CD for that printer, should I simply use that CD to install drivers for the printer?
[01:08] <Seijurro> I am hoping to dual boot though.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> Whiz2,  the windows machine will need drivers correct.
[01:08] <mike_> VanessaE:  were u tellign me to copy and paste results?
[01:08] <draik> I dual boot and it's not all that hard
[01:08] <Dr_willis> bbl
[01:09] <VanessaE> gary:  what you need to do is give your user account access to the drive.
[01:09] <Seijurro> I'll check it out.
[01:09] <gary_> how?
[01:09] <VanessaE> to start with, add a custom group to represent it, such as extstorage   (sudo groupadd extstorage)
[01:09] <draik> Whiz2, Install the drivers and then locate the printer on the network
[01:09] <VanessaE> then, add your user account to that group ('vigr' and search for the group, should be at the end of the list)
[01:10] <Whiz2> VanessaE: couldn't he just change the mask of the drive to allow all? (or is it the linux system drive?)
[01:10] <mike_> how can i change to gnome from kde?
[01:10] <VanessaE> Whiz: sure he could, but that's technically the 'wrong' way to do it
[01:10] <Seijurro> I tried partitioning before and it killed my windows.
[01:10] <Whiz2> That's how I did it, but I did it so that all network users could have the same rights to the drive
[01:11] <gary_> vigr: Couldn't lock file: Permission denied
[01:11] <VanessaE> after you add yourself to that group, you'll need to change the permissions and ownership of the drive's mount point:   chmod 1775 /media/Storage ; chown root:extstorage /media/Storage
[01:11] <Whiz2> mike_: Did you start out with gnome, then switched to kde?
[01:11] <VanessaE> sorry, you need to sudo all of these commands
[01:11] <mike_> Whiz2: no
[01:11] <VanessaE> (or sudo -i to go root, and then run them as written above)
[01:11] <Whiz2> mike_: I'm not sure, but you could try sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[01:12] <mike_> Whiz2: didnt work
[01:12] <VanessaE> gary: does that make sense?
[01:12] <Whiz2> mike_: hang on I know who to ask...
[01:12] <mike_> Whiz2:  k thnaks, i would apreciate it
[01:13] <mike_> lol my b i shoudl have re-read what i typed in before asking you
[01:13] <gary_> yeah, then what do i do in vigr
[01:13] <keiroz> do you epeak in portuguese?
[01:13] <keiroz> espeak
[01:13] <VanessaE> gary: go to the bottom of the file.  do you see the group you just added?
[01:14] <Whiz2> mike_: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:14] <mike_> Whiz2:  didnt work
[01:14] <gary_> yes
[01:14] <VanessaE> ok, now, do you see how other users names appear at the end of some lines?
[01:14] <keiroz> hauhauhauh sacanagem
[01:14] <VanessaE> maybe your own on a couple of places?
[01:14] <gary_> yes
[01:14] <keiroz> t boiando!!!
[01:15] <VanessaE> ok, do the same thing with your username
[01:15] <unix_infidel> is tehre anyway to make a bash script use read and have the subsequent prompt input appear as "*'s" on the screen?
[01:15] <VanessaE> just add it to the end of the line.
[01:15] <Seijurro> Hmm
[01:15] <mike_> Whiz2:  any more ideas?
[01:16] <Whiz2> mike_: you need to enable all of your repositories (including the new ones) or insert your kubuntu CD, then try again
[01:16] <VanessaE> hopes
[01:16] <gary_> it won't let me type anything
[01:16] <mike_> Whiz2: how can i enable all my repositories, just un comment everyhting in the source list?
[01:16] <Seijurro> I'm trying to partition the windows partition and it says that I have three bad sectors
[01:17] <VanessaE> gary: ok, hit the i key and then try again
[01:17] <mike_> Whiz2:  ye sno maybe so?
[01:17] <VanessaE> (sounds like you ended up in vi :(  )
[01:17] <Whiz2> mike_: do it the easy way. If you insert your kubuntu CD into your cd drive, then type the command I gave you, it should install gnome
[01:18] <mike_> i am not sure where my cd is
[01:18] <mike_> Whiz2:  not sure where my cd is
[01:18] <mike_> Whiz2:  can i just uncomment ervery thing
[01:18] <VanessaE> gary: alternatively, hit escape then q! (with the exclamation point) to abort the vigr command.
[01:18] <Whiz2> can you send me a copy of your sources.list file please?
[01:18] <cpk2> !easysource
[01:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:19] <Whiz2> does that include the new repositories?
[01:20] <gary_> this editor sux, wher is the file located and i'll edit it
[01:21] <Seijurro> Whiz2: I'm trying to partition my windows partition, but it keeps saying I have three bad sectors.
[01:21] <VanessaE> gary: did you exit from that editor already?
[01:21] <VanessaE> (you're not supposed to directly edit the file)
[01:21] <cpk2> Whiz2: what new repos?
[01:22] <gary_> yes what next
[01:22] <VanessaE> gary: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano
[01:22] <VanessaE> and then do the vigr command again
[01:23] <VanessaE> (`sudo vigr` that is)
[01:23] <redphoenix> anyone know when a package for Firefox 2 is coming?
[01:23] <gary_> ok
[01:23] <brianwhi> Can anyone help with installing vmware tools into a kubuntu vm?
[01:23] <gary_> much better!!
[01:23] <VanessaE> did it spawn nano this time?
[01:24] <gary_> yes
[01:24] <VanessaE> good
[01:24] <VanessaE> ok, you know what to do.
[01:24] <gary_> yes, got it
[01:24] <areagtv1> Yop
[01:24] <gary_> now the permissions?
[01:25] <VanessaE> not yet.
[01:25] <VanessaE> next, you need to restart X to make that group change take effect.,
[01:25] <Seijurro> Can anyone help me?
[01:25] <gary_> oh
[01:25] <VanessaE> (because X sources the groups file only at startup)
[01:25] <gary_> wait, how do i save in nano?
[01:25] <VanessaE> ctrl-X
[01:26] <redphoenix> wronggg
[01:26] <redphoenix> ctrl-O
[01:26] <redphoenix> ctrl-X exits
[01:26] <VanessaE> wronnnggg :)(
[01:26] <VanessaE> ctrl-X saves *and* exits
[01:26] <VanessaE> :)
[01:26] <areagtv1> I have a question, i would like to do a FFmpeg for FLV but when i convert a movie, there no sound, have you a link for this probleme ?
[01:26] <VanessaE> gary: just keep whatever filename it offers
[01:27] <gary_> awesome
[01:27] <Furesho> okay. FF2 is out. how do i upgrade my copy of FF to 2 (i got 1.5.0.7 now)??
[01:27] <areagtv1> d
[01:27] <redphoenix> yeah I'm trying to figure out the same thing Furesho
[01:27] <gary_> now just ctrl-alt-backspace?
[01:28] <VanessaE> yep, that's enough to force a[n ungraceful]  restart of X.
[01:28] <Furesho> sucks to be us :\
[01:28] <gary_> ok brb
[01:29] <cpk2> try a kdm restart
[01:29] <cpk2> or not
[01:29] <VanessaE> same diff, pulls the rug out from under KDE :)
[01:30] <gary_> I'm back
[01:30] <redphoenix> Furesho, I was trying to find out in here weeks ago when RCs were out for it, and didn't get an answer back then, so I'm really not expecting to get an answer now, either
[01:30] <Furesho> i think i found somethin on digg. one sec.....
[01:31] <Furesho> dang. that's on fedora, though.
[01:31] <Furesho> don't know if that would be safe
[01:31] <VanessaE> gary: ok
[01:31] <VanessaE> now, id.
[01:32] <VanessaE> (just the two letters)
[01:32] <redphoenix> if an updated package were out, it'd be so much easier :-D
[01:32] <VanessaE> not sudo, just as your normal user.
[01:32] <VanessaE> does it show your new group?
[01:32] <gary_> uid=1000(gary) gid=1000(gary) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),113(admin),1000(gary),1001(extstorage
[01:33] <gary_> sorry, yes
[01:33] <VanessaE> good
[01:33] <cpk2> alright i cant use the left arrow to scroll to the left in bash anymore
[01:34] <gary_> so should it work?
[01:34] <VanessaE> now: sudo chmod 1775 /media/Storage
[01:34] <gary_> oh
[01:34] <caseyomah> Okay, I'm trying to help debug this Linux print server to samba issue.
[01:34] <VanessaE> and:  sudo chown root:extstorage /media/Storage
[01:34] <cpk2> i'm angry
[01:34] <gary_> ok
[01:35] <emiliano> ciao
[01:35] <VanessaE> last but not least, then un/remount the drive and see if it worked.
[01:35] <VanessaE> what's wrongcpk?
[01:35] <Whiz2> the printer is printing junk, unless I unplug it, uninstall it, then plug back in& reinstall... this only happens after I try installing it on a remote PC
[01:35] <cpk2> i fixed it
[01:35] <cpk2> dumb mistake on my part
[01:35] <Whiz2> and in windows, I get the error (Access denied unable to connect)
[01:36] <caseyomah> I'm thinking there's an issue with the PS filter and the Windows driver BOTH being run before being sent to the printer.
[01:37] <gary_> thanks VanessaE it works great!
[01:37] <VanessaE> excellent.
[01:38] <caseyomah> Okay, summary: M$ box running distro Win drivers connecting to printer on linux CUPS server through samba.
[01:38] <Whiz2> telling Linux that it's a local printer is correct when installing it right?
[01:38] <tony_> How can I copy files in Konqueror as root?
[01:38] <caseyomah> Yes.
[01:38] <cpk2> kdesu konqueror
[01:40] <tzones2006> hi I have a question regarding configuring xorg for twinview to TV using vide card(GE FX5500)
[01:40] <Whiz2> also even after downloading cups drivers for windows, and putting them into a specified directory for exporting, Linux still tells me there are missing drivers
[01:40] <Whiz2> when I go to export that is
[01:40] <tzones2006> do you have a sample xorg.conf for it?
[01:41] <VanessaE> tzones: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28162/
[01:41] <VanessaE> that should help you out (from my husband's /etc/X11/xorg.conf  for his nvidia and monitor+tv combo.
[01:42] <tzones2006> thanks Vanessae I'll try
[01:42] <VanessaE> insert that segment into your xorg.conf in place of the existing "Device" section (back up your original xorg.conf first)
[01:42] <tzones2006> ok
[01:43] <tzones2006> is that the one in the text area I need to copy?
[01:43] <tzones2006> the second one
[01:43] <VanessaE> yeah
[01:43] <tzones2006> k
[01:43] <VanessaE> that's easier to copy than the brown/tan part.
[01:44] <Whiz2> What resources are you looking at casey?
[01:44] <caseyomah> I'm not.
[01:44] <caseyomah> Just you need to set it local to make linux work it.
[01:44] <Whiz2> or are you just waiting for me? lol
[01:44] <silvania> how can i remove a partition in kde?
[01:44] <VanessaE> tzones: expect to tweak that stub a bit to match your box of course.
[01:45] <silvania> or create partitions... the system settings thingy dont work in admin mode.
[01:45] <Whiz2> waiting for it to finish rebooting since it froze & I had to terminate it
[01:45] <caseyomah> silvania: cfdisk (command line)
[01:45] <VanessaE> better you should use cfdisk from a command prompt.
[01:46] <silvania> aaah cool, thats the one i was looking for
[01:46] <caseyomah> silvania: cfdisk /dev/hd* (*=a,b,c,d...)
[01:46] <silvania> cfdisk sda worked :)
[01:47] <caseyomah> silvania: Works on SCSI too... (USB considered SCSI too)
[01:47] <silvania> hmmm whats the filesystem type for ext3?
[01:47] <silvania> 85?
[01:48] <silvania> its a 300gb drive sata
[01:48] <caseyomah> silvania: I haven't looked. It lists just before it asks.
[01:49] <silvania> yeah but the "Linux Extended" means ext3?
[01:49] <VanessaE> ext2
[01:49] <VanessaE> but you can use that if you want
[01:49] <VanessaE> ext3 = ext2+journal
[01:49] <caseyomah> It should be Linux Extended Journalized...
[01:49] <silvania> ah okay, its good for that type of size?
[01:50] <caseyomah> silvania: The only difference between ext2 and ext3 (that I know of) is the journal, so the fs max size would be the same.
[01:52] <jontec> hey guys... 'someone tell me where the firefox cache is?
[01:52] <Whiz2> I think part of the problem was I was using wrong linux drivers... found the right ones and linux is requiring me to install "gimp-print"
[01:53] <jontec> I need to get at some of the pictures...
[01:53] <jontec> like a lot of 'em... like all of 'em
[01:55] <Whiz2> brb
[01:58] <maverick> hey peeps! any idea how to stop "Checking file system" in the boot...it delays my boot progress by 5 sec i guess
[01:58] <maverick> or mor
[01:58] <maverick> more*
[01:58] <VanessaE> can't
[01:58] <VanessaE> that's a necessary step
[01:59] <maverick> it checks my fat32...(Yes fat32, my sis shares the same pc) and it takes time...
[02:00] <wildchild> I can't install macromedia flashplayer:
[02:00] <wildchild> NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
[02:00] <wildchild>       components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[02:00] <wildchild> :S
[02:00] <wildchild> any ideas
[02:00] <maverick> any ideas how to remove, u mean?
[02:00] <wildchild> um, yes
[02:01] <Dr_willis> Internet propels Weird Al's album into Billboard Top 10
[02:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:02] <maverick> well, sudo mv fielname anothername
[02:02] <maverick> rename it
[02:02] <maverick> don delete it
[02:02] <lters_> so, no t60 users here ?
[02:02] <maverick> i don't know wht it mmight be fore
[02:02] <maverick> just in case
[02:03] <VanessaE> Dr: sadly, Al gets less per album sold over the net than he gets for physical media...go figure.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> I bought his cd. :)
[02:05] <Dr_willis> well the cd+dvd combo.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> Sort of neat that its a cd on one side and a DVD on the other.
[02:06] <Dr_willis> and I cant even find most of his albums now. :( cant find the boxed set either.
[02:06] <Dr_willis> more news --> Important Notice: Lik-Sang.com Out of Business due to Multiple Sony Lawsuits
[02:06] <Dr_willis> that sucks.. :(
[02:15] <Dr_willis> hmm..  Ubuntuclips.org
[02:15] <Dr_willis> This site is for everyone who is new to Ubuntu.
[02:15] <Dr_willis> Here you will find short video clips that highlight Ubuntu's features and demonstrate how to complete common tasks using Ubuntu.
[02:15] <cellofellow> Can anybody help me with print drivers.
[02:15] <turbojugend> hi all, I am using beryl and i am getting ugly white swuare shadows, any idea how to fix that?
[02:15] <turbojugend> swuare=square
[02:15] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: no kubuntu though.
[02:16] <Dr_willis> Yep.. just saw mention of that site.. nifty idea.
[02:16] <Dr_willis> just gave a friend a Ubuntu edgy cd today.. :P looking up some links for him
[02:17] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: know anything about print drivers? I can't get hpijs or postscript to work.
[02:17] <Dr_willis> what kind of printer?
[02:17] <Homer> !edgy
[02:17] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[02:17] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: HP LaserJet 1100 over Samba. (client)
[02:17] <Homer> !schedule
[02:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[02:18] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  you got it on a windows machine?
[02:18] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: yes.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> can you see the printer from linux? just cant get the drivers right?
[02:18] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: that's right.
[02:18] <turbojugend> hi all, I am using beryl and i am getting ugly white square shadows, any idea how to fix that?
[02:18] <stodge> Hi folks. What do I need to install to play AIF audio files?
[02:19] <Nicolae> Question: Can you reset an SATA drive from PIO0 to UDMA without rebooting?
[02:19] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  interesting....
[02:19] <Dr_willis> !find aif
[02:19] <ubotu> Found: fiaif
[02:19] <Dr_willis> !info fiaif
[02:19] <ubotu> fiaif: An easy to use, yet complex firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.1-2 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 540 kB
[02:19] <Dr_willis> :) thats not it.. lol.
[02:19] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: one minute, let me get the error message.
[02:19] <maverick> !aif
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aif - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  i moved my printers to their own network-server/gizmo. no windows needed. lol
[02:20] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  i find the gnome-cups-manager easier to use at times then the kde printer manager
[02:20] <stodge> Hmm that's a shame
[02:20] <enyawix> can i install a app from Edgy in Dapper
[02:20] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: I'd like to do that.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> enyawix,  proberly not.
[02:20] <enyawix> the app i want is not in Dapper :(
[02:21] <Nicolae> Compile from source?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Upgrade to edgy
[02:21] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: Is there a way to set up use of the CUPS web interface?
[02:21] <enyawix> edgy stable yet?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Its to be released in like 4 days
[02:21] <enyawix> Upgrade for to get one app
[02:21] <Dr_willis> im using it now. :)
[02:21] <cellofellow> When's the release date?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> !release
[02:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:21] <Nicolae> 26 October, I think.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> If it aint stable now.. theres going to be a LOT of issues next week. :)
[02:22] <enyawix> lol
[02:22] <Dr_willis> I did a clean install of rc1 of it - just yesterday
[02:23] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: Teh web interface to cups is kind of disabled.
[02:26] <enyawix> how do i upgread i do not want to download a iso
[02:26] <enyawix> i want a working install
[02:26] <enyawix> i have* a working install
[02:26] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  correct it is  DISABLED
[02:26] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  they just dont really put that in big red letters like they should.
[02:26] <Dr_willis> You can reenable it.
[02:26] <Nicolae> Can you apt-get dist-upgrade yet?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Nicolae,  yes.
[02:27] <caseyomah> Dr_willis: From Dapper to Edgy?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> i perfer clean installs.
[02:27] <Dr_willis> caseyomah,  people are doing it all the time in #ubuntu
[02:28] <caseyomah> Dr_willis: Just clarifying.
[02:28] <Dr_willis> I still advise clean installs. :)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> MUCH less potential for hassles. Lol.
[02:28] <caseyomah> Dr_willis: I know what you mean, but I haven't touched Edgy yet...
[02:29] <caseyomah> Dr_willis: How big of a change is it?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> Yea - i just instelled it yesterday..
[02:29] <Dr_willis> it has some very nice improvements in some areas
[02:29] <Dr_willis> of course new versions of about everything as well
[02:29] <caseyomah> Dr_willis: Many interface changes, or just new features?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> if you got a lot of usb-drives - its nice how you can set up the fstab to mount them to specific places reguardless of the order they get seen in.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> GNOME is still gnome, and kde is still kde. :)
[02:30] <Dr_willis> nothing major there
[02:30] <Dr_willis> tweaks and so forth mainly
[02:30] <caseyomah> Dr_willis: How does that work?
[02:30] <Homer> upstart
[02:30] <turbojugend> hi all, I am using beryl and i am getting ugly white square shadows, any idea how to fix that?
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I aint messed with Upstart much yet..
[02:31] <Homer> new startup and shutdown engine
[02:31] <Dr_willis> # /dev/hdc1
[02:31] <Dr_willis> UUID=31409968-3cc9-4313-a5c9-5f21be2a130a /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:31] <Homer> mean ubuntu shuts down much faster then in dapper
[02:31] <Homer> and starts up a lil faster
[02:31] <caseyomah> Oh, cool UUID mounting.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> that UUID info comes from the udev stuff.. - you can use 'other' info other then uuid to mount things to diffrent places
[02:31] <caseyomah> Nice.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> like the drive Label. :)
[02:31] <Dr_willis> i edited my usb drives to use the label.
[02:31] <caseyomah> Coolness, I'm installing Edgy.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> heh.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> and the kernel-stuff is now a bit more streamlined.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> not all thes 686-smp stuff.. its  more generic. so you have less to worry about
[02:32] <Dr_willis> 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP
[02:33] <Dr_willis> and your NTFS drives are now mounted sothey can be read by users... that will get rid of 1/2 the traffic in #ubuntu :)
[02:33] <Dr_willis> well bbl.
[02:33] <caseyomah> I just tried a dist-upgrade and it just upgraded my current packages...
[02:34] <m4v3rick_> guys, i ahev an inquiry...it's not imo but i just like to have it....when i used to use slackware whenever i fire my terminal it always greet giving away a random message ...how to enable it here in kubuntu's konsole?
[02:35] <VanessaE> you probably need fortune
[02:35] <VanessaE> (or bsd-fortune or whatever they call it)
[02:35] <VanessaE> and a line in your ~/.bashrc to run the program at every shell launch.
[02:35] <caseyomah> Where can I get Edgy ISO? (CD and DVD)
[02:36] <VanessaE> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[02:37] <m4v3rick_> vanessae: thanks a lot.
[02:37] <enyawix> Edgy bug no reiser4 in kernel :(
[02:37] <VanessaE> reiser4 isn't official yet
[02:37] <enyawix> but it has reiser4 tool wtf
[02:37] <VanessaE> unless I missed the memo :)
[02:37] <enyawix> make up your mind
[02:38] <silvania> hmm... im having a problem making my new partition....."Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory"
[02:38] <xsacha> you can always put reiserfs, reiser 4 and ext4 in yourself... the last two will require kernel recompile though
[02:38] <VanessaE> ahem.
[02:38] <silvania> i made it in fdisk and now trying to do "sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1"
[02:39] <enyawix> xsacha i will and the bad ram patch :)
[02:39] <cellofellow> enyawix: no rieser4 in any kernel except custom ones.
[02:39] <xsacha> and ext4 is in 2.6.19 tree
[02:40] <cellofellow> anybody know what this means? I'm trying to use the postscript print driver:
[02:40] <cellofellow> Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Generic-PostScript_Printer,Postscript] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[02:41] <cellofellow> I am running as admin with KDESu so no permissions problems.
[02:41] <silvania> anyone has a good link to adding new disk to linux? all guides i try dont work
[02:43] <cellofellow> silvania: plug it in, and add it to /etc/fstab ?
[02:43] <silvania> ...
[02:43] <Nicolae> Another question: SATA drives throw errors in kern.log.  Ratchets down to PIO0, continues until I dismount/remount it. Only happens when I try to transfer more than 5 gigs or so. Getting annoying. Compiled 2.6.18-mm3, so at least it doesn't lock the system up, but makes the drive pretty much unusable until reboot.
[02:43] <cellofellow> silvania: you don't even have to edit fstab, kubuntu has a control module that edits it for you that's really nice.
[02:44] <silvania> cellofellow: which is?
[02:44] <cellofellow> silvania: Disks and Filesystems, under System Administration in System Settings.
[02:44] <silvania> i cant get to mkfs with it.
[02:45] <cellofellow> silvania: mkfs? what's that?
[02:45] <xsacha> to make a filesystem :P
[02:45] <xsacha> mkreiserfs to make reiser fs. mkfs.ext2 or mke2fs or ext2/3
[02:45] <silvania> cellofellow: that utility is broken
[02:46] <cellofellow> silvania: works for me. I guess I'm not doing anything to complicated.
[02:46] <silvania> Okay this is what I've done so far:
[02:47] <silvania> I have created a partition "extended" with fdisk, /dev/sda1, but when i do: sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1, it says : Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory
[02:47] <cellofellow> um, I guess I used to work. I hadn't checked it in a while. Don;t use it much. It is broken.
[02:47] <qor> \o
[02:48] <cellofellow> silvania: maybe try something like Gparted? I've used that without problems, it parts and formats things ok.
[02:48] <Nicolae> Extended partition would be sda5.
[02:48] <Nicolae> Well. The logical disc inside of the extended would be
[02:48] <xsacha> when in fdisk, you should have used 'p' to see what it was called
[02:48] <silvania> okay can someone explain from scratch or something, im not getting ANY of this
[02:49] <xsacha> after making it, then you just 'w' to write it and then 'q' to quit and then mkfs should work fine
[02:49] <cellofellow> I never understood primary, logical, and extended partitions. Seeing as I've only got a simple desktop, I've got a primary root, primary home, and primary swap.
[02:49] <silvania> hold on let me try
[02:50] <cellofellow> Nicolae: isn't fdisk like really kind of old and low level?
[02:50] <xsacha> i always use fdisk
[02:50] <Nicolae> yeah.
[02:50] <cellofellow> Nicolae: cfdisk is better, right?
[02:50] <Ahmuck> is there a program in kubuntu that will allow me to look at information of a jpeg ?  someone sent me a picture they claim to have painted in a program, but i have my doubts.  it  appears to be to clost to a phtograph
[02:50] <Nicolae> Not sure, really. I've used either partition magic or gparted in the past.
[02:50] <cellofellow> Ahmuck: maybe just drag the file's icon into the "Metabar" sidebar in Konqueror.
[02:50] <silvania> okay xsacha: sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1 gives me error still
[02:51] <silvania> xsacha: Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory
[02:51] <xsacha> yes but it probably isnt called sda1
[02:51] <Nicolae> try sda5?
[02:51] <xsacha> i asked you to do 'p' in fdisk to see what it was called, lol
[02:51] <silvania> ./dev/sda1               1       36483   293049666   83  Linux
[02:51] <cellofellow> silvania: ls /dev/sda* to see what devices you've got.
[02:51] <silvania> thats what is in the fdisk
[02:52] <silvania> cellofellow: /dev/sda is only one
[02:52] <xsacha> hmmm
[02:52] <cellofellow> silvania: gparted
[02:52] <caseyomah> boo
[02:52] <xsacha> mke2fs -jv /dev/sda1   ?
[02:52] <Whiz2> eek
[02:52] <silvania> i dont have gparted
[02:53] <cellofellow> So, anybody know why I can't use the postscript print driver?
[02:53] <silvania> let me install it
[02:53] <xsacha> silvania: mke2fs -jv /dev/sda1   ?
[02:55] <cellofellow> PostScript printer driver? Anybody? or maybe hpijs? I can't use my printer.
[02:55] <Nicolae> lpt, usb, or network?
[02:55] <silvania> xsacha: like i said.... Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory
[02:55] <cellofellow> Nicolae: samba
[02:56] <cellofellow> darn, i gtg
[02:56] <Whiz2> cellofellow: i'm still working on the issue myself. if i come up with a solution, i'll let you know
[02:56] <Nicolae> Ah. No idea then, sorry.
[02:56] <xsacha> that makes no sense.. ls /dev/sda1 shows it but mkfs cant see it?
[02:56] <rainmak23> Hey all...pretty new to kubuntu...and I have a quick question.  I would like to install a pakage and all of the recommended packages with apt-get.  Is there a switch that I can use to install all the recommended packaages?
[02:57] <silvania> im gonna use gparted that looks sweet
[02:57] <xsacha> silvania: only explanation i can come up with is you didn't 'w' -- can't think of any other possibility :S
[02:58] <silvania> xsacha: im getting it to work with gparted
[02:59] <silvania> probably some setting i can't get my head around and see
[02:59] <silvania> also its a big disk, so trying 2 partitions.
[02:59] <cpk2> rainmak23: aptitude install -r
[02:59] <xsacha> well GParted and QtParted are just frontends to fdisk
[02:59] <xsacha> and cfdisk
[03:00] <xsacha> oh wait, nevermind, they're something else i think
[03:01] <silvania> xsacha: yeah but for me its a bit easier with some more interface and view to get a overview of things, being linux newb and all
[03:02] <cpk2> cfdisk is still pretty simple
[03:08] <xsacha> the gui ones dont give me enough options
[03:08] <xsacha> how can you set m% in there?
[03:08] <xsacha> have to tune2fs -m 0  after you make it in there
[03:12] <Ertain> Anyone know of a good Bit Torrent client besides Azureus and Ktorrent?
[03:12] <caseyomah> Ertain: Opera
[03:12] <VanessaE> opera
[03:12] <VanessaE> it's minimal, but workable
[03:12] <Ertain> I don't want to get Opera for the sole purpose of downloading Torrents?
[03:12] <Ertain> Er, switch out the question mark with a period.
[03:12] <Whiz2> learn something new every day
[03:13] <Jucato> seishinbyou-san! ohayou! :)
[03:13] <Whiz2> Opera is also a high quality web browser
[03:13] <seishinbyou> Boxy time 
[03:13] <caseyomah> Ertain: It's a GREAT web browser too, Konqueror sucks in comparison.
[03:13] <Jucato> seishinbyou: bleh I can see them now! hahaha
[03:13] <VanessaE> I much prefer opera actually
[03:13] <VanessaE> (over firefox)
[03:13] <caseyomah> seishinbyou: I can see them too.
[03:13] <morphish> Ertain: then use azureus?
[03:13] <Jucato> let's not get into browser wars please. thanks
[03:13] <seishinbyou> Well then 
[03:14] <Jucato> seishinbyou: I can see them... doesn't mean I can read them lol :)
[03:14] <morphish> seishinbyou: no boxes here , not that i understand japanese any better than boxes though
[03:14] <VanessaE> wait a sec, since when could IRC carry Japanese?
[03:14] <caseyomah> seishinbyou: I still see them all.
[03:14] <seishinbyou> Since... always
[03:14] <seishinbyou> Jucato: I figured, but they are pretty squiggles in any case
[03:14] <Jucato> seishinbyou: very pretty :)
[03:15] <seishinbyou> They are either pretty or bug splats
[03:15] <morphish> VanessaE: it can, it just does not handle them for channel names or nicknames
[03:15] <VanessaE> interesting
[03:15] <seishinbyou>  < bug splat
[03:15] <Jucato> lol
[03:15] <seishinbyou> figures that is "yuutsu" (depression)
[03:15] <morphish> seishinbyou: good morning to you too though
[03:16] <seishinbyou> Good morning to you too
[03:16] <mark_> good morning
[03:16] <mark_> i have a problem regarding printer
[03:16] <mark_> we have 2 printers hp 1022n and 1320n
[03:17] <Whiz2> Printers are the problem of the day
[03:17] <mark_> i have printserver runnning in 6.06
[03:17] <Whiz2> if you can solve the problem, let us all know. :-p
[03:17] <mark_> and may clients are windows
[03:18] <Whiz2> Samba?
[03:18] <caseyomah> mark_: Aren't those JetDirect enabled printers?
[03:18] <mark_> no sir
[03:19] <caseyomah> mark_: I thought that's what the "n" meant.
[03:19] <Whiz2> well i'm haing the same problem with mine mark_
[03:19] <mark_> samba is already configured
[03:19] <Whiz2> having*
[03:19] <mark_> the prob is
[03:19] <caseyomah> mark_: Same with Whiz2
[03:20] <satempler> is there any thing in KDE/QT that is more recent thant qtparted
[03:20] <mark_> when printing in telnet client ( the telnet client is moccha soft) 1022n is properly working even i adjust the printer setting there
[03:20] <mark_> but in 1320n max page it can print is only for 13-14 page
[03:21] <mark_> wat do u think the prob guys
[03:21] <mark_> wat do u think the prob guys?
[03:22] <cpk2> satempler: for some reason cfdisk seems to work better than the gui
[03:22] <mark_> do u have an idea there
[03:23] <satempler> I am looking for a KDE counterpart to gparted for things like non-destructive partioning
[03:23] <Nicolae> gparted runs in KDE.
[03:23] <silvania> hmmm how to associate content type "application/sdp" with vlc?
[03:24] <seishinbyou> I tried running PartitionMagic through Wine, but that was just a silly test; I wouldn't actually try doing any partitioning through Linux that way
[03:25] <satempler> ya I still want somthing to partition drives via a GUI i mean why not
[03:25] <satempler> but since qtparted hasn't been touch since 2004 improvements hasn't been made bug fixes not fixed
[03:26] <satempler> a new one is needed for Fisty Fawn
[03:26] <cpk2> qtparted didnt like my sata so i just use cfdisk considering how simple it is
[03:26] <satempler> a KParted-Guidance if needed
[03:27] <satempler> who would I ask to have somthing included in the comercial repo
[03:28] <satempler> LaCie (i think thats the name) has come out with LightScribe Linux support
[03:28] <seishinbyou> No idea on that one...maybe ask around the official forums?  Does the wiki have any info?
[03:28] <Jucato> It's something that Canonical decides, I guess
[03:28] <seishinbyou> LaCie?  (my notebook is a LaVie)
[03:30] <satempler> as long has it has the LightScribe Sticker on it your good
[03:34] <seishinbyou> haha, this is hilarious, one of the office workers is getting chewed out over his presentation because the managers are complaining the "pinstripe" look on everything is giving them a headache
[03:34] <seishinbyou> Time to go switch themes on him...remotely
[03:34] <Jucato> lol
[03:36] <seishinbyou> ...and noone knew what just happened.  Plain blueish/greyish theme ahoy
[03:36] <Jucato> seishinbyou saves the day
[03:36] <seishinbyou> But I don't get any money for that :/  Not even a gold necklace to add to a collection like Mr. T
[03:37] <Jucato> lol
[03:37] <Jucato> sayonara! time to reformat and repartition. bwahahaha!
[03:37] <seishinbyou> Good luck
[03:37] <Jucato> thanks! I'll need it :)
[03:38] <Jucato> can't decide whether I should reinstall Dapper or install Edgy already...
[03:38] <Jucato> @_@
[03:38] <Jucato> oh well... Edgy it will be
[03:38] <xsacha> im having a problem with sound in videos (in flash) -- the sound is ahead of the video :(
[03:39] <Jucato> ja
[03:39] <seishinbyou> youtube?
[03:39] <xsacha> yes
[03:39] <Clinton__> What's a good CPU monitor for KDE's applet panel?
[03:39] <seishinbyou> Many I know on Windows, Mac, and Linux experience the synching issue
[03:40] <caseyomah> what is the command line to burn iso [file]  to cdrom drive [dev] ?
[03:40] <xsacha> i dont get that problem on CRUX or windows
[03:40] <xsacha> first time i've had this problem :( on kubuntu
[03:40] <seishinbyou> In your sound settings, are you using ALSA?
[03:40] <xsacha> yes
[03:41] <seishinbyou> I had a nasty lag issue when using wine before.  I tried setting it to OSS, but that caused the audio to be choppy/poppy
[03:41] <xsacha> oh wait, does firefox start up artsd?
[03:41] <xsacha> like noatun
[03:41] <seishinbyou> What did I do...hmm, I can't remember anymore... something with double buffering?
[03:41] <xsacha> is there a setting in firefox? or it just uses alsa because that's what i set it as
[03:41] <intelikey> is there any good templates for spread sheets? kspread maybe?     package?
[03:42] <seishinbyou> I believe is uses your system setting, so ALSA by default I think
[03:42] <xsacha> templates?
[03:42] <intelikey> yeah
[03:42] <xsacha> what is a template for a spreadsheet? :S a title, etc?
[03:42] <seishinbyou> caseyomah: Does k3b not work?  Or would you prefer a curses client?
[03:42] <caseyomah> intelikey: For what?
[03:43] <seishinbyou> Does OO come with built in templates?
[03:43] <xsacha> not sure
[03:43] <xsacha> ill check
[03:43] <caseyomah> seishinbyou: I think I overfilled my root (/) and can't get K3b to open, curses would be fine.
[03:43] <xsacha> yes it does
[03:43] <xsacha> openoffice spreadsheet has all these templates for letters, etc. about 10 different ones
[03:44] <ricanelite> how can i change dapper to edgy so i could download edgy
[03:44] <intelikey> caseyomah mortgage calculation  pie charts you know. the whole shmeer
[03:44] <xsacha> and you can customise your own
[03:44] <ricanelite> i know i enter a command in the terminal which it open a edit program and i replace dapper with edgy and selected replace and thats it
[03:45] <intelikey> xsacha k i'll look.
[03:45] <xsacha> wait another day rican.. edgy final released tomorrow
[03:45] <caseyomah> intelikey: Linux tends to be more of a "do it yourself" environment...at least until recently.
[03:45] <ricanelite> well thats why im asking
[03:45] <ricanelite> because i will like to write it down
[03:45] <ricanelite> because i looked in my calendar and it should be release on thursday
[03:45] <intelikey> caseyomah but templates are good for the "do it your selfer"
[03:46] <seishinbyou> caseyomah: cdrecord dev=/media/cdrom speed=4 -v imagename.iso  ?
[03:47] <intelikey> ricanelite yes but wedensday has already started...
[03:47] <caseyomah> That looks about right.
[03:47] <ricanelite> oo well im here in the states! So im still in tuesday night
[03:47] <seishinbyou> Your mileage may vary.  I tend to use k3b more than a command line these days
[03:48] <Homer> so edgy fixed the kmenu bug?
[03:48] <cpk2> intelikey: what timezone is ubuntu using?
[03:48] <xsacha> which kmenu bug?
[03:48] <cpk2> is it being released midnight utc on thursday?
[03:48] <intelikey> cpk2 prolly gmt or -1 or 2
[03:49] <intelikey> oops +1 or 2
[03:49] <gnomefreak> depends
[03:49] <digivore> can someone upgrade to edgy? or do they have to totally redo the system?
[03:49] <cpk2> because for me thursday is still 2 days away =P
[03:49] <intelikey> cpk2 lol
[03:49] <Homer> xsacha: that some/most packages do not add icons into kmenu until kde is restarted
[03:49] <intelikey> digivore yes upgrade is recommneded
[03:49] <Homer> this behavior is contrary to the gnome version
[03:50] <cpk2> you dont need to restart kde to have things put into the kmenu
[03:51] <intelikey> Homer   kbuildsycoca  --incremental
[03:51] <satempler> digivore: yes you can
[03:51] <Lord_Rage> Question: If I make a separate partition, and put the installerfor Kubuntu on it, would I be able to install it on the other partition.  My Laptops CD drive is borked
[03:52] <xsacha> i dont restart my computer till i need to switch OS :P
[03:52] <satempler> in Kubuntu change every dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/source.list
[03:52] <satempler> then do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:52] <intelikey> !install > Lord_Rage
[03:52] <kyle_> hello
[03:52] <ricanelite> sudo: /etc/apt/source.list: command not found
[03:52] <intelikey> satempler update first.
[03:52] <kyle_> i have a question...
[03:52] <satempler> ya
[03:52] <ricanelite> thats the what i get
[03:53] <satempler> that right for got
[03:53] <Lord_Rage> !install
[03:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:53] <kyle_> i install ati drivers for radeon 9550, and set it up for xorg//
[03:53] <intelikey> ricanelite of course you get that.  /etc/apt/source.list is not executable
[03:53] <intelikey> and if it was it wouldn't do much...  hehhe
[03:54] <kyle_> than my remdering is all goot ati...
[03:54] <ricanelite> well i typed in sudo
[03:54] <xsacha> sudo just runs it as equivalent to root
[03:54] <kyle_> restart its good
[03:54] <intelikey> yes but sudo what ?
[03:54] <kyle_> update...
[03:54] <kyle_> restart
[03:54] <intelikey> restart ?
[03:54] <kyle_> check fglrxinfo again and its switched back to mesa
[03:55] <xsacha> you should try: sudo kate /etc/apt/source.list
[03:55] <kyle_> now i cant get the ati back...
[03:55] <kyle_> and mesa3d is on, im stuck and
[03:55] <intelikey> !ati > kyle_
[03:56] <intelikey> hopefully there is some help there.....
[03:56] <kyle_> !ati
[03:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:56] <xsacha> lol? he sent it to you in pm and then you send it here
[03:56] <Whiz2> caseyomah: These drivers print nicer
[03:57] <intelikey> xsacha irc is a hard thing to get used too,   i guess.....
[03:58] <caseyomah> Cool, what about samba clients?
[03:59] <Whiz2> rebooting first just for the hell of it
[04:00] <caseyomah> Well, I'm upgrading to Edgy from repositories.
[04:00] <intelikey> yep
[04:00] <bLaZeD> is there a set date for edgy to be officialy released?
[04:00] <Whiz2> decided to do the upgrade huh?
[04:00] <intelikey> !edgy
[04:00] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[04:01] <intelikey> ohhh
[04:01] <intelikey> !schedule
[04:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[04:01] <Homer> !fawn
[04:01] <bLaZeD> !schedule
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fawn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <bLaZeD> bah
[04:01] <Homer> !fiesty
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <caseyomah> !frisky
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frisky - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <Homer> what happen :p
[04:01] <intelikey> or  !opps maybe
[04:01] <Homer> no more fiesty fawn? :(
[04:02] <bLaZeD> nice this thuersday
[04:02] <bLaZeD> *thurseday
[04:02] <bLaZeD> or h/e u spell it
[04:03] <intelikey> adehrstuy
[04:03] <intelikey> what differance does order make ?
[04:05] <black_13> when i lauch adept i get this warning that none of the changes will stick because im not admin
[04:05] <hazard2> ok, is there a command to manually put the screen to sleep?
[04:05] <hazard2> maybe though X11 or something?
[04:05] <rawrness_> kdesu adept work black?
[04:06] <black_13> hows that?
[04:06] <xsacha> alt+f2 and then type: kdesu adept_manager
[04:07] <hazard2> anyone know how I can manually tell x11/KDE to turn off the screen?
[04:07] <black_13> xsacha adept_manager not found
[04:07] <hazard2> powersaver settings in the system configuration won't stick, or when they do, they don't do anything
[04:07] <avuton> Is flash 9 in apt (sorry, new guy :))
[04:08] <xsacha> try: kdesu adept
[04:08] <black_13> xsacha it brings up adept
[04:08] <xsacha> good
[04:09] <xsacha> in admin mode too :)
[04:09] <black_13> xsacha how would i tell
[04:09] <black_13> i sorta have used debian but ubuntu is new flava for me
[04:09] <xsacha> the window will be coloured differently.. but because you used kdesu, it's admin mode
[04:10] <xsacha> anything you use kdesu on
[04:10] <rawrness_> i am going to upgrade
[04:10] <rawrness_> and i am goign to do it right this time.
[04:10] <rawrness_> or else someone dies
[04:10] <xsacha> you?
[04:10] <hazard2> anyone on screen sleep?
[04:11] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: you mean have the screen turn off
[04:11] <hazard2> yea, I can't do so manually (its a vaio, that powers the scree)
[04:11] <rawrness_> I know what il do
[04:11] <xsacha> screensaver?
[04:11] <rawrness_> il install ubuntu and use that to upgrade
[04:11] <hazard2> and the power saver won't do anything/work at all
[04:12] <black_13> xsacha ok im trying to install qt3-examples ... i have scrolled down click on install then what?
[04:12] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: my HP turns the screen off based on the screensaver
[04:12] <hazard2> no, dmps off (actually off), not just display something else
[04:12] <xsacha> it will install and that's that
[04:12] <hazard2> I was hoping to get the backlight off too
[04:12] <xsacha> mine too
[04:12] <black_13> no other button to click because nothings is happening
[04:12] <xsacha> black_13: you clicked install? it should say installed now
[04:13] <black_13> nope
[04:13] <xsacha> *sigh* where did you click install?
[04:13] <xsacha> do you see Apply Changes up the top?
[04:14] <black_13> i did now the application is frozen! awesome
[04:14] <hazard2> BAH!!!
[04:14] <xsacha> you click apply changes and it installs
[04:15] <hazard2> debian running no windowserver at all can turn off the screen (and does so by default)
[04:15] <hazard2> (in the way that I want too)
[04:15] <xsacha> mine does too hazard2...
[04:15] <hazard2> yours what?
[04:15] <hazard2> debain? or kubuntu?
[04:15] <xsacha> turns off the monitor after time
[04:15] <xsacha> kubuntu
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: sorry, mine worked out of the box
[04:15] <hazard2> Oh, I see, that's how it is.
[04:16] <hazard2> I'm eternally cursed to have all the hardware nothing supports.
[04:16] <black_13> you know if i could xorg with debian sarge i would go that way
[04:16] <hazard2> A fan controller, minus the control, a monitor that won't EVER turn off....
[04:17] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: I found this http://www.cantrip.org/toshiba-m45.html if you want to look through and see if it has any idea
[04:17] <hazard2> I suppose that's what I get for throwing together a pile of parts that could be mistaken for an operational machine....
[04:17] <xsacha> hazard2.. would suspend work for you?
[04:17] <xsacha> you can stick "suspend" in schedule
[04:17] <xsacha> or hibernate
[04:18] <hazard2> I dunno, maybe
[04:18] <hazard2> hibernate would be awsome.
[04:18] <hazard2> (suspend to ram correct?)
[04:18] <hazard2> err
[04:18] <hazard2> suspend to disk?
[04:18] <xsacha> think so
[04:18] <xsacha> suspend takes option -f
[04:19] <hazard2> to what?
[04:19] <xsacha> oh here it is hazard
[04:19] <xsacha> i found it
[04:19] <intelikey> man suspend
[04:19] <intelikey> No manual entry for suspend
[04:19] <xsacha> Switch off monitor after: 45 minutes
[04:19] <xsacha> go into System Settings->Monitor & Display
[04:19] <hazard2> THe one in the system control?
[04:19] <xsacha> Power Saving
[04:19] <hazard2> That one dosen't work.
[04:20] <xsacha> eh?
[04:20] <hazard2> It either won't remember the setting, or dosen't do anything to begin with.
[04:20] <hazard2> (even if entered as admin)
[04:20] <xsacha> it's enabled and try 1 minute?
[04:20] <xsacha> and leave for a minute. what happens?
[04:20] <dragonflyseven> hazard2: You are trying to hibernate?
[04:21] <xsacha> he's trying to get monitor to turn off
[04:21] <hazard2> Or turn off a display with DMPS (so the backlight is off)
[04:21] <hazard2> I'd prefer DMPS but if hibernation is easier
[04:21] <xsacha> power saving turns my monitor off just fine, what happens when you set it to 1 minute and then leave for a minute/
[04:22] <hazard2> it says on
[04:22] <hazard2> and nothing happens
[04:22] <xsacha> is it still on 1 minute now?
[04:22] <hazard2> yes
[04:22] <dragonflyseven> Edgy has hibernate built into the log out menu.
[04:22] <hazard2> though by now it probably reset it self again
[04:22] <hazard2> this is dapper
[04:22] <xsacha> reset itself?
[04:22] <dragonflyseven> Yeah, that is a problem.
[04:22] <hazard2> yuea
[04:22] <xsacha> check what it is now hazard2
[04:23] <hazard2> I'll set it, then check back a while later, and the options are unchecked and defaulted.
[04:23] <xsacha> administrator mode first
[04:23] <hazard2> Either way it dosen't matter.
[04:23] <xsacha> it shouldnt be reseting unless you arent using admin mode
[04:24] <hazard2> that's new, its not enabled, but its set to 3 hours, something I *KNOW* is neigther the default or something I set it to
[04:24] <xsacha> kdesu systemsettings to make sure
[04:24] <xsacha> sounds very unlikely that it is random setting itself off and to some weird hours
[04:24] <BluesKaj> Does anyone have an updated Edgy Sources List ?
[04:25] <xsacha> use kdesu systemsettings to make sure, then turn it on and 1 minute.. close the window and go away for a minute
[04:25] <xsacha> tell me if it's still on
[04:25] <hazard2> ok, set to one minute, going to brush teeth
[04:25] <xsacha> actually try this please
[04:25] <xsacha> do kdesu systemsettings
[04:25] <xsacha> dont click administrator mode
[04:25] <hazard2> when *I do that, admin mode isn't an option (its defaulted adminy)
[04:26] <hazard2> (on timer now)
[04:26] <xsacha> yes
[04:28] <hazard2> nothing
[04:28] <hazard2> no affect
[04:28] <hazard2> been waiting 2minutes
[04:29] <intelikey> ~/clear
[04:29] <xsacha> just came back, my monitor was off :P
[04:29] <xsacha> check what it is set at now hazard2 in display
[04:30] <hazard2> I hate you (in the good way I suppose, vs the actually hating)
[04:30] <BluesKaj> sorry intelikey, was gone for a few and missed it
[04:30] <hazard2> it stayed 1min, but I didn't close the window
[04:30] <intelikey> still want it ?
[04:30] <xsacha> arrrrgh
[04:30] <BluesKaj> yes pls
[04:30] <xsacha> it wasnt set
[04:30] <hazard2> (I DID press apply though)
[04:30] <xsacha> by the way you know you dont need admin mode to change it
[04:31] <xsacha> try changing it without admin mode -- i change it without using admin mode at all
[04:31] <hazard2> on timer
[04:32] <xsacha> yeah
[04:32] <BluesKaj> darn file wont accept
[04:34] <xsacha> monitor turned off here
[04:35] <hazard2> Nope, nothing
[04:36] <xsacha> and you have it set as DPMS in xorg.conf right?
[04:36] <hazard2> It isn't taking the setting, -OR- however KDE thinks it can turn off the screen isn't working
[04:36] <hazard2> no...
[04:36] <hazard2> (that should be obvious shouldn't it?
[04:36] <hazard2> )
[04:36] <xsacha> oh, set it as DPMS in xorg.conf
[04:36] <draik> As far as changing the timer, just play with a time, apply, change the time, apply, go to your preference and then hit apply. It's weird like that but it's worked
[04:37] <hazard2> I figured.
[04:37] <RatKing> Does AIM run successfully under wine?
[04:37] <hazard2> How do I set DMPS in Xorg?
[04:37] <hazard2> RatKing: Just use one of the other clients.
[04:37] <xsacha> Option "DPMS"
[04:37] <hazard2> can someone give me the part of the XORG file I need to add?
[04:37] <RatKing> I don't like GAIM or kopete
[04:38] <xsacha> in monitor section hazard2
[04:38] <n8k99> RatKing: that sounds like a big chunk of resources to run a single channel chat client
[04:38] <draik> RatKing, why not use GAIM or Kopete?
[04:39] <hazard2> he says he dosen't like them
[04:39] <hazard2> so what do I *LITERALLY* need to enter in xorg conf?
[04:39] <xsacha> go to monitor section
[04:39] <hazard2> yup
[04:39] <xsacha> Option "DPMS"
[04:39] <RatKing> Are there other multi messenger programs?
[04:39] <hazard2> no = yes or anything?
[04:39] <xsacha> nothing needed after it
[04:39] <xsacha> default is yes when you place an optiopn
[04:40] <hazard2> should it go at the top or the bottom?
[04:40] <draik> RatKing, http://www.kde-apps.org
[04:40] <xsacha> anywhere within your monitor section
[04:40] <intelikey> xorg.conf is not order specific
[04:40] <hazard2> okies
[04:40] <draik> Has there been a release of a new version of Flash? Past 7 for linux, I mean
[04:40] <hazard2> sure it shouldn't go under the Screen subsecction display?
[04:41] <xsacha> why would it go in screen? ^o)
[04:41] <RatKing> they have flash 9 beta now
[04:41] <hazard2> I have no idea.
[04:41] <draik> RatKing, worth getting?
[04:41] <xsacha> definately monitor, because it is in my monitor section
[04:42] <hazard2> I suppose I need to restart X right?
[04:42] <dragonflyseven> draik:
[04:42] <xsacha> yes
[04:42] <dragonflyseven> flash 9 is awesome
[04:42] <hazard2> ok
[04:42] <RatKing> I got it because some flash videos will only play with 9
[04:42] <hazard2> be back
[04:42] <dragonflyseven> you can watch some videos.
[04:42] <dragonflyseven> Yeah, like metacafe
[04:42] <draik> dragonflyseven, very well, I shall go get it. Is there a *.deb for it or how do I obtain it?
[04:44] <draik> How/where do I get Flash 9?
[04:45] <dragonflyseven> Lets see...
[04:45] <dragonflyseven> There was a way I did it.
[04:45] <dragonflyseven> What was it? *thinking*
[04:45] <BluesKaj> anyone make any sense of this message? : Errors were encountered while processing:/var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:46] <xsacha> hazard2, you've added it to xorg.conf right? now run this by a konsole: xset dpms force off
[04:46] <intelikey> BluesKaj rm the package and try again.  looks like a foobar'd dl
[04:46] <Random_Transit> can anyone tell me if firefox 2 is in the repos yet??
[04:46] <xsacha> if monitor turns off, it worked
[04:47] <hazard2> Horay! That's probably the first time the screen going BLACK has ever been a GOOD thing.
[04:47] <xsacha> :)
[04:47] <xsacha> you just didnt have dpms on :P
[04:47] <hazard2> It seems so.
[04:47] <dragonflyseven> !flash 9
[04:47] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[04:47] <hazard2> Stupid sony.
[04:47] <dragonflyseven> Try that link. I think that is what I did.
[04:47] <hazard2> (I'll just blame them, even though its not exactly their fault)
[04:48] <draik> Right, I got it from there, which one do I go with?
[04:48] <draik> The standalone or the other one?
[04:48] <intelikey> BluesKaj any other errors ?
[04:48] <hazard2> really, its the installer's for not turning it on, figuring out exactly WHO to blame in that group is harder.
[04:48] <draik> Installer or standalone?
[04:48] <hazard2> so, anyway, good night all, thanks a bunch xsacha.
[04:48] <xsacha> gnite
[04:48] <draik> dragonflyseven: Installer or standalone?
[04:49] <BluesKaj> what's the remove command again ?
[04:49] <cpk2> rm
[04:49] <intelikey> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:49] <dragonflyseven> Use the other one.
[04:50] <dragonflyseven> Put it in the mozilla plugins folder.
[04:50] <draik> How do I install a tar?
[04:50] <draik> tar.gz
[04:50] <BluesKaj> ok intelikey, it's gone
[04:50] <dragonflyseven> You should be able to double click on it.
[04:51] <dragonflyseven> And it will open in a window.
[04:51] <intelikey> tar -xf file.tar.gz ;cd file/  & read the readmes
[04:51] <draik> dragonflyseven, I just move the files to my firefox plugins?
[04:51] <dragonflyseven> Drag that into .mozilla/plugins
[04:51] <dragonflyseven> Its called libflashplayer.so?
[04:51] <intelikey> BluesKaj run the command that got you that error the first time  see if it persists.
[04:52] <intelikey> if so pastebin the whole output of the command.
[04:52] <BluesKaj> yes it does intelikey  ...I just tried installing samba and it came up again
[04:53] <intelikey> k pastebin the full text
[04:53] <intelikey> !paste
[04:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:53] <draik> I don't see my plugins for firefox
[04:54] <dragonflyseven> draik: it is not in firefox.
[04:54] <dragonflyseven> it is in your home director, then .mozilla/plugins
[04:54] <draik> I don't have a ~/.mozilla/plugins directory
[04:55] <dragonflyseven> Are you sure? The dot means it is hidden in the GUI.
[04:55] <Dark_Vampire> !de
[04:55] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:55] <intelikey> and in the konsole
[04:55] <draik> I am sure
[04:55] <xsacha> ls -a ~   to show hidden
[04:55] <dragonflyseven> Try going view> show hidden files.
[04:55] <draik> I have looked with everything
[04:55] <BluesKaj> intelikey, http://pastebin.ca/220259
[04:55] <xsacha> dont look, just type it in
[04:56] <intelikey> looking
[04:56] <draik> I did
[04:56] <draik> I typed ls -a and I don't have a plugins directory for my .mozilla
[04:56] <draik> I have .mozilla but no plugins
[04:56] <xsacha> but you found .mozilla?
[04:56] <xsacha> ahh :)
[04:56] <draik> yes
[04:56] <draik> sorry, I was talking about the full path
[04:57] <dragonflyseven> Ok.
[04:57] <Homer> what kde is on edgy
[04:57] <xsacha> that's fine
[04:57] <Homer> 3.5.4?
[04:57] <xsacha> 3.5.5 Homer
[04:57] <Homer> o rly
[04:57] <xsacha> i am using edgy rc1 and it is 3.5.5
[04:57] <Hawkwind> draik: So create the plugins directory
[04:57] <draik> ok, just did
[04:57] <intelikey> BluesKaj sudo apt-get install -f
[04:57] <dragonflyseven> rc3 (?) is 3.5.5
[04:58] <dragonflyseven> Now put that .so file in it.
[04:58] <draik> and I dragged/dropped the flashplugin9.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugin
[04:58] <xsacha> ok firefox flash will just 'work' now
[04:58] <draik> that's it?
[04:58] <xsacha> restart browser of course
[04:58] <xsacha> yes
[04:58] <draik> no commands or such?
[04:58] <xsacha> nup
[04:58] <draik> cool
[04:58] <intelikey> BluesKaj did you change your sources.list ?     and if so did you update apt so it would have the right databases ?
[04:59] <Homer> is khtml really improved since 3.5.2?
[04:59] <draik> Thank you dragonflyseven, xsacha, Hawkwind. Much appreciated
[04:59] <Homer> like proper ajax support
[04:59] <xsacha> don't know
[04:59] <xsacha> what ajax site does it usually break on? i'll try it
[05:00] <Homer> they saying in 3.5.4 there was a "ton" of khtml fixes and in 3.5.5 they say so too
[05:00] <Homer> try digg.com
[05:00] <intelikey> khtml ?
[05:00] <xsacha> Homer: 3.5.3 gave me perfect acid 2 pass.... 3.5.3 i am getting a glitch when i scroll in acid 2 test
[05:00] <xsacha> 3.5.5*
[05:00] <BluesKaj> i got a sources list from jende when i was updating to edgy from dapper . The sources you gave me are already in it
[05:01] <dragonflyseven> draik: make sure it works before you thank us.
[05:01] <Homer> yeah but ajax more important then acid2 imo
[05:01] <xsacha> when i use mousewheel a red dot appears
[05:01] <draik> it works
[05:01] <draik> Thats why I thank you all
[05:01] <mark_> can anyone help me regarding prntng
[05:01] <xsacha> Homer: what's meant to break on diff.com, i'm there
[05:01] <xsacha> digg*
[05:01] <intelikey> BluesKaj and you did   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   ?
[05:01] <BluesKaj> intelikey, i got a sources list from jende when i was updating to edgy from dapper . The sources you gave me are already in it
[05:02] <Homer> I guess try digging something
[05:02] <Homer> or
[05:02] <Homer> goto comments and click "show comment"
[05:02] <intelikey> yes i read that.
[05:02] <Homer> digging doesn't automatically update in 3.5.2
[05:02] <Homer> you have to manually refresh the page
[05:02] <xsacha> i dont have a digg account, cant be bothered making one :P
[05:02] <Homer> lol
[05:02] <Homer> k np
[05:02] <Homer> firefox still works :P
[05:03] <BluesKaj> yes intelikey, i did the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:03] <intelikey> BluesKaj what is the state of affairs now ?    still error or not ?
[05:03] <seishinbyou> *mighty
[05:03] <BluesKaj> yes same error , intelikey
[05:04] <xsacha> konqueror always takes me to basic version of hotmail live.. i'm going to try changing agent string
[05:04] <Homer> apple basicallly writes khtml
[05:04] <Kiongku> anyone tried using enlightenmet here?
[05:04] <seishinbyou> Is there a way to record a video stream from Skype for future reference short of pointing a video camera at the screen?
[05:04] <Homer> xsacha: does for FF too
[05:04] <Homer> microsoft hates everything but IE
[05:04] <Homer> heh
[05:04] <jbrouhard> Anyone get flash working in Edgy ?
[05:04] <xsacha> not FF2.0.. FF2.0 took me to the good looking page perfectly first time
[05:04] <Homer> hmm
[05:04] <dragonflyseven> Flash 9 beta?
[05:04] <Homer> gmail doesn't work properly with konq either
[05:05] <jbrouhard> any of em, dragonflyseven
[05:05] <Homer> again cause of ajax bugs
[05:05] <jbrouhard> i have flash 7 i think
[05:05] <xsacha> what breaks in gmail?
[05:05] <dragonflyseven> Yes, I do.
[05:05] <intelikey> BluesKaj maybe sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[05:05] <dragonflyseven> !flash 9
[05:05] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[05:05] <jbrouhard> Okay
[05:05] <jbrouhard> i do have that
[05:05] <Homer> inbox don't open
[05:05] <dragonflyseven> Look at that link, and download the one for linux.
[05:05] <Homer> attachments don't automatically update
[05:05] <Homer> etc
[05:05] <draik> Flash 9 works great for me!
[05:05] <draik> Thank you dragonflyseven, xsacha, Hawkwind. Much appreciated
[05:05] <draik> again
[05:06] <dragonflyseven> Homer: have you tried firefox?
[05:06] <jbrouhard> dragonflyseven: i have it now
[05:06] <Homer> yeah gmail works fine in firefox
[05:06] <intelikey> BluesKaj and yes as one line.
[05:06] <jbrouhard> however, when i install it, it crashes firefox
[05:06] <dragonflyseven> Ok.
[05:06] <xsacha> inbox is working fine here.. what do i have to do for attachments?
[05:06] <dragonflyseven> Now put the .so in .mozilla/plugins
[05:06] <jbrouhard> hmm
[05:06] <jbrouhard> no .mozilla/plugins ?
[05:06] <draik> create the folder
[05:06] <Homer> xsacha: do you have it pretending to be firefox
[05:06] <dragonflyseven> .mozilla is hidden.
[05:07] <Homer> cause gmail serve different html for konq
[05:07] <dragonflyseven> But if there is no plugins make it.
[05:07] <jbrouhard> I know that
[05:07] <jbrouhard> okay
[05:07] <pussfeller> anyone else having prob with the flash9 beta
[05:07] <Kiongku> hmm
[05:07] <Homer> basically on FF, gmail works like an application, while on Konq it works like a website :P
[05:07] <pussfeller> it might just be google and utube
[05:07] <xsacha> by default, konqueror pretends to be firefox in gmail and google
[05:08] <xsacha> preinstalled that is
[05:08] <Kiongku> theres no flash 9 beta in the repos right?
[05:08] <Homer> hmm didn't do that for 3.5.2 cause gmail dedected right away that I was using konq
[05:08] <jbrouhard> pussfeller: I have major problems with flash9 beta and firefox
[05:08] <jbrouhard> and it's still not working, dragonflyseven.  I load a flash site, and firefox crashes out
[05:08] <pussfeller> jbrouhard: it runs for a while, and then stops...?
[05:08] <dragonflyseven> oh! I know how to fix that.
[05:08] <pussfeller> oh yers crashes?
[05:09] <dragonflyseven> Go to your xorg.conf
[05:09] <jbrouhard> it just loads for 2 seconds and then BOOM
[05:09] <xsacha> if i take agent string off it gives me 'basic' version :(
[05:09] <dragonflyseven> and change the default color depth to 24
[05:09] <pussfeller> alsa works on flash9 tho, which is freakin great
[05:09] <MasterEvilAce> OMG.
[05:09] <pussfeller> so i have software mixing with it FINALLY
[05:09] <Homer> support gnash
[05:10] <MasterEvilAce> What is the geekiest most knowledgable NETWORKING (linksys wireless shit) IRC CHAN? need help bad
[05:10] <DBO> MasterEvilAce, whats wrong?
[05:10] <jbrouhard> Okay dragonflyseven i'll brb
[05:10] <intelikey> MasterEvilAce ##linux
[05:10] <DBO> wireless geeks dont use linksys =P  we use cisco... I mean.. they...
[05:10] <intelikey> but only on fridays
[05:11] <MasterEvilAce> well it's not linux related, purely Networking Access Points.. wireless.. etc. whatever. tons of info : http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17150037
[05:11] <Hawkwind> MasterEvilAce: Have you tried #Networking ?
[05:11] <Hawkwind> MasterEvilAce: Or even /msg chanserv list *network*
[05:11] <MasterEvilAce> Hawkwind: nope, I figured it wouldn't be as simple as #Networking, but I shall try as well
[05:11] <Hawkwind> That will give you all the channels with the word *network* in the name.  Make sure you use the *'s
[05:12] <Hawkwind> MasterEvilAce: Seems it's probably #Network actually
[05:12] <Homer> khtml is rapidly developed which is nice
[05:12] <jbrouhard> WOOHOO!
[05:12] <jbrouhard> flash works!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:12] <xsacha> Homer: how does that attachment bug work out? by the way, it seems slower to click inbox in konqueror than it is in firefox.. otherwise everything looks the same
[05:12] <jbrouhard> Thank you very much dragonflyseven!
[05:12] <Hawkwind> MasterEvilAce: ##Networking is a channel too
[05:12] <dragonflyseven> Yay!
[05:12] <Homer> xsacha: gmail is highly ajaxy
[05:12] <Kiongku> hi hawkwind
[05:13] <xsacha> yeah but i havent found a bug yet..
[05:13] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Hey there
[05:13] <xsacha> site is just slower
[05:13] <Homer> it's really just one website with many ajax calls heh
[05:13] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: There are flash 9 deb packages though
[05:13] <Hawkwind> !flash9
[05:13] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[05:13] <Homer> maybe they fixed it xsacha
[05:13] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: hmm.. well anyway had u ever heard of enlightenment?
[05:13] <Homer> I was using 3.5.2
[05:14] <rawrness> apt get is giving me a error
[05:14] <xsacha> oh my Quick Contacts list shows no one in it... there's a bug
[05:14] <Homer> and khtml is one of the most actively developed (if not the most) component of KDE
[05:14] <xsacha> well it shows people but their names are blank unless i hover my mouse over it
[05:14] <rawrness> pkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:14] <rawrness> Dpkg*
[05:14] <rawrness> let me reword this
[05:15] <rawrness> apt-get error  dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:15] <Kiongku> try do as it sadi o0?
[05:15] <Kiongku> *said
[05:16] <blooregard> are there any SMP aware process monitors for the console that'll show which CPU a process is using?
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Of course I have.  I use E17 exclusively and package E17 debs for my repo that several users here use
[05:16] <dragonflyseven> Bye all. Off to do homework.
[05:16] <draik> dragonflyseven, homework???
[05:16] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: e17? it seems i did find it in the normal repos
[05:16] <Kiongku> *did not
[05:16] <xsacha> work he does at home draik ;): coding ;)
[05:16] <dragonflyseven> Yep. 11th in highschool.
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: http://SeerOfSouls.com/ and click on the Ubuntu Packages tab at the top of the page :)
[05:17] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: hmm u mean the deb packages?
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Yes.  SoS is my repo site
[05:18] <Kiongku> cool
[05:18] <Kiongku> so here my question.. how u switch to enlightenment from KDE safely
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Install it, ctrl-alt-backspace and select E17 from the GUI login screen
[05:18] <dragonflyseven> Anyway, off to homework.
[05:18] <dragonflyseven> Bye.
[05:19] <draik> oic
[05:20] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: k
[05:20] <xsacha> ctrl alt backspace does nothing here :(
[05:21] <Kiongku> ehrm which one should i install?
[05:21] <Kiongku> the dapper e17 one?
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Are you running Dapper or Edgy ?
[05:21] <Kiongku> Dapper for now.. guess its logical then
[05:22] <Hawkwind> LOL
[05:22] <Kiongku> hahaha
[05:22] <Kiongku> what does deb-src means..
[05:28] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: still here?
[05:30] <morphish> does kubuntu deal ok with existing windows partitions/installs, i would like for it not to touch my grub, just to make sure it does not confuse windows, can i skip installation of grub?
[05:32] <Hawkwind> King_Brad: Yes
[05:32] <Hawkwind> Ermmm
[05:32] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Yes, I'm still here
[05:32] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: why the package seems so big compared to the other one ._.?
[05:32] <Hawkwind> What package ?
[05:33] <Kiongku> ur enlightenment .. oh well nvm
[05:33] <Ahmuck> morphish: you only have windows on this machine ?
[05:33] <Ahmuck> currently ?
[05:34] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: whats ur personal review on it? better than KDE :P?
[05:34] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Not sure what you're asking exactly.
[05:34] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: nvm that question.. updating right now
[05:34] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: I don't use KDE at all.  I use E17 exclusively and have for over a year now
[05:34] <Kiongku> ah?.. on enlightenment right now o0?
[05:35] <morphish> Ahmuck: no, there is an existing linux install on it, and windows, so i want to reuse the linux partitions and leave windows untouched (wife is getting her masters, her not being able to write her papaers might cause me to loose a few inches)
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Of course.  I don't use anything else, ever
[05:36] <Ahmuck> O.o so you are going to overwrite your existing linux partitions ?
[05:36] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: nice! i know who to buzz now for answers :P
[05:37] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: I'd strongly suggest hanging out in #E if you plan on using E17.  That's the channel where everyone who knows about the wm hangs out
[05:38] <Kiongku> did not get much favorable response there
[05:38] <Kiongku> oh anyway brb changing
[05:39] <Homer> zomg I'm using GNOME on Kubuntu
[05:40] <morphish> Ahmuck: yes, i just don't want (k)ubuntu to touch my grub, windows is so fragile when it comes to mbr changing, and does weird stuff when you least expect it
[05:40] <morphish> Homer: sounds a little bit like a waste ;)
[05:40] <Homer> lol
[05:40] <Homer> I'm using mostly KDE programs tho
[05:40] <Homer> heh
[05:40] <Kiongku> x_x..
[05:40] <Homer> I HAVE A TON OF RAM
[05:40] <Kiongku> have to reconfigure stuff...
[05:41] <morphish> Homer: hell, send me some then
[05:41] <Homer> lol
[05:41] <Homer> epiphany seem to load must faster on gnome
[05:41] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: where do i go for keyboard shortcuts?
[05:41] <Homer> on kde it take like 5 sec
[05:41] <Homer> on gnome it load in like 1sec lol
[05:42] <Homer> I like epiphany :\
[05:58] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Left click and go to the Config Panel.  Everything in the world you need there for configuring E17
[06:02] <Kiongku> :o..
[06:02] <Kiongku> whats the command code for running applications via shortcut keys?
[06:03] <marcelo> hi
[06:05] <Kiongku> !flash 9
[06:05] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[06:05] <Ertain> I can't eject a disc from my drive.  I've tried using the eject command but it won't work.
[06:05] <draik> !flash9
[06:05] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[06:05] <draik> Ertain, umount the drive
[06:06] <Ertain> That's what I tried; it wouldn't umount either.
[06:06] <campbch> anyone have any problems with the cursor selecting wherever it is periodically? i'll be typing or something in writer and it will spontaneously decide to click... i think it may be because of the touchpad sensitivity, but a) the post doesnt say anything about variable sensitivity, and b) i can't sudo synclient -l because it can't access shared memory....
[06:06] <draik> sudo umount /media/cdrom#
[06:06] <arunkale> Ok.. I have a big problem. I seem to have done something that has made Firefox not work on my computer
[06:07] <draik> arunkale, what specifically?
[06:07] <arunkale> draik: I got some script from some site to upgrade to Firefox 2 RC2
[06:07] <campbch> :( it's frustrating, i have to stop and reposition the cursor every time it does this, and sometimes it drags text along with it
[06:07] <campbch> also, isn't the command to rebuild the kmenu kbuildsocy --incremental ?
[06:07] <arunkale> and now Firefox 2 doesn't work, and neither does the old Firefox
[06:08] <ironfroggy> has anyone here used FreeDOS to run a bios update?
[06:08] <draik> have you uninstalled all firefox (save your bookmarks first!!!) and re-installed?
[06:08] <arunkale> draik: Is there a way I can uninstall/delete whatever's there (Firefox) and do a fresh install
[06:08] <draik> yes
[06:08] <ironfroggy> im getting a weird error i cant figure out. "failed gzclose"
[06:09] <draik> apt-get remove firefox
[06:09] <draik> sorry
[06:09] <draik> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[06:09] <draik> I think I'm missing an option there... let me check
[06:10] <Stoic> hello everyong
[06:10] <Stoic> everyone(
[06:10] <draik> sudo apt-get remove -f firefox
[06:10] <draik> That should do it for you arunkale
[06:10] <draik> sudo apt-get remove -f firefox
[06:11] <arunkale> ok thanks
[06:11] <arunkale> let me try that :)
[06:11] <draik> np, arunkale
[06:11] <draik> arunkale DON'T FORGET TO BACKUP!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:11] <arunkale> backup what?
[06:12] <ironfroggy> anyone know where i could find a bootable DOS CD image?
[06:12] <ironfroggy> other than FreeDOS?
[06:12] <draik> your bookmarks
[06:12] <arunkale> draik: yeah, i got my bookmarks
[06:12] <arunkale> :)
[06:12] <arunkale> ok so how do i install firefox 2 now
[06:12] <draik> ok, I always suggest backups prior to removal of anything
[06:12] <draik> apt-get install firefox
[06:13] <draik> ugh
[06:13] <draik> sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:13] <draik> I keep forgetting  sudo  at the beginning
[06:13] <arunkale> that'll install firefox 2.0?
[06:13] <draik> if it's in your repos, yes
[06:13] <arunkale> how do i get it in my repos :p
[06:14] <draik> your repos are located in   /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:14] <draik> You need to have a place to add first
[06:15] <draik> you need a source
[06:15] <draik> and then you add it to your source list
[06:15] <christopher> hi all. I'm trying to compile something with devIL, but the program I compiled can't find libIL.so.1, yet libIL.so exists in /usr/lib/local....I know i have to make a symlink or somthing, but I'm not sure what they are, or how to make one.
[06:15] <arunkale> draik: i think it installed firefox, but i dont think i can run it
[06:15] <draik> have you tried?
[06:15] <campbch> what is the command to rebuild the k menu?
[06:16] <campbch> what is the command to rebuild the k menu?
[06:16] <arunkale> draik: yes.. and when i run it using alt + f2, i get the following error:
[06:16] <arunkale> KDEInit could not launch 'firefox'.:
[06:16] <arunkale> Could not find 'firefox' executable.
[06:16] <campbch> it's like kbuildysoc --incremental or something, but it is not working :o
[06:16] <draik> ok, open up konsole and type          whereis firefox
[06:17] <arunkale> yeah
[06:17] <arunkale> got some paths
[06:17] <draik> ok
[06:17] <draik> so it's installed
[06:17] <arunkale> so why is it not running
[06:17] <draik> did you already        sudo apt-get install firefox     ?
[06:18] <arunkale> yes
[06:18] <ben_> how hard is it to learn how to package?
[06:18] <draik> and?
[06:18] <draik> did you get any errors? warning? successful install?
[06:18] <arunkale> ok i checked usr/bin/ in konqueror, and there is a lock icon on top of the firefox icon
[06:18] <arunkale> and other software have the 'wheel' icon.. this just has some page or something with a lock
[06:19] <draik> not a wheel, its a kog
[06:19] <ben_> im interested in helping kubuntu package...but i was just wondering how hard it is to learn
[06:19] <draik> or sprocket
[06:19] <arunkale> sorry :)
[06:19] <nikon> im trying to become a Ubuntero on Launchpad.net, how do i decrypt the email that is sent to confirm your pgp??
[06:19] <arunkale> draik: do you want a screenshot?
[06:19] <draik> please
[06:20] <draik> my firefox is a simple file, no lock
[06:20] <dhq> when is edgy gonna release
[06:20] <draik> dhq, this TH
[06:20] <BonBonTheJon> !edgy
[06:20] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[06:20] <draik> 2 more days (here)
[06:20] <draik> !schedule
[06:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[06:20] <dhq> draik: was supposed to be out tommoro
[06:21] <draik> last I heard (yesterday) was TH
[06:21] <campbch> should we all upgrade? is it smooth?
[06:21] <campbch> what's the general adoption rate of a new build?
[06:21] <draik> Who knows. AFAIK, Dapper Drake was going to be out 6/6/6, but came out 6/1/6
[06:21] <arunkale> draik: how do i send it to you?
[06:21] <ben_> edgy's been great for me
[06:22] <arunkale> sadly, i can't get edgy :(
[06:22] <campbch> what are the differences?
[06:22] <ben_> i installed after knot 3
[06:22] <campbch> anything noticeable?
[06:22] <draik> arunkale, how ever you want... email, URL, whatever you have at your disposal
[06:22] <arunkale> campbch: google for screenshots
[06:22] <draik> purple
[06:22] <draik> edgy is purple
[06:22] <ben_> umm....it shuts down alot faster
[06:22] <dhq> yes
[06:22] <dhq> i love katapult
[06:23] <campbch> nice
[06:23] <dhq> boots faster
[06:23] <ben_> yup
[06:23] <dhq> diffrent way of accessing the hdd using uuid
[06:23] <nikon> can anyone help me with decrypting emails?
[06:23] <ben_> i think it looks nicer...trivial i know...but i like it
[06:23] <draik> I'll move to Edgy Eft shortly after its release... I want to make sure the bugs are worked out
[06:24] <dhq> draik: i am on edgy and i dint face much problems
[06:24] <nikon> same here
[06:24] <draik> I've been using Dapper since 6/1/6... from anyone who has done a distro upgrade with Kubuntu, is there an issue upgrading distro?
[06:24] <avuton> My wifes' on it, she hasn't hit anything yet
[06:24] <nikon> knot 3 hasnt really givin me much trouble
[06:25] <dhq> draik: i have dome the distro upgrade
[06:25] <draik> dhq, when you upgrade the distro, do you lose anything, other than the previous distro?
[06:25] <nikon> upgrades have never worked for me
[06:25] <ben_> so does anyone know how hard it is to made debian packages?
[06:25] <dhq> well its like 3.5 weeks are over
[06:25] <motorhead> quite hard
[06:25] <ben_> or to learn...
[06:25] <motorhead> extremely hard
[06:25] <ben_> really...
[06:26] <motorhead> nah, idk
[06:26] <motorhead> lol
[06:26] <draik> ben_ go to #ubuntu-classroom and find the transcripts... they will show you how
[06:26] <motorhead> im just new to linux XD
[06:26] <ben_> sweet
[06:26] <ben_> thanks man
[06:27] <draik> arunkale, you have a shortcut?
[06:27] <draik> I have the script
[06:27] <draik> you only have the shortcut and firefox.ubuntu
[06:27] <arunkale> yeah
[06:27] <ben_> how do i find the transcripts
[06:27] <draik> I have firefox the "wheel"
[06:27] <arunkale> so what do i do to get the kog?
[06:27] <draik> ben_ let me find you the link
[06:28] <motorhead> talking bout firefox.. could you get jre working on 2.0???
[06:29] <draik> ben_ here you go... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[06:29] <draik> that's the link
[06:29] <draik> now, it's #3
[06:29] <campbch> hmm
[06:29] <Jucato> hi draik
[06:29] <draik> Jucato has a 1:1 transcript of the class
[06:29] <Jucato> draik: no I don't
[06:29] <draik> I made the transcripts of just the instructions
[06:29] <Jucato> which class?
[06:29] <draik> Hey there Jucato
[06:29] <draik> speak of the devil
[06:30] <draik> Jucato, you're better at this... how do you completely remove firefox? CLI
[06:30] <draik> Jucato, if you're the devil I made you!
[06:30] <Jucato> draik: how did you install it?
[06:30] <draik> I am THE evil
[06:30] <draik> Jucato, not for me, for arunkale
[06:30] <campbch> after i install packages, i have been needing to use a command to rebuild the K menu. i cannot remember what exactly this command is, but it is something along the lines of kbuildysoc --incremental, but this is not correct?  think it's typoed
[06:30] <arunkale> hey Jucato :)
[06:30] <Jucato> campbch: kbuildsycoca --incremental
[06:31] <Jucato> hi arunkale
[06:31] <campbch> thans
[06:31] <campbch> ks*
[06:31] <arunkale> Jucato: I seem to have a problem
[06:31] <unix_infidel> !firefox
[06:31] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:31] <Jucato> arunkale: what is it? hope I can help...
[06:31] <unix_infidel> !firefox2.0
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox2.0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <campbch> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[06:32] <motorhead> firefox2.0 ftw
[06:32] <campbch> what's it mean?
[06:32] <Jucato> campbch: nothing. it's normal. ignore it
[06:32] <arunkale> Jucato: Well, I got this script on this site, to upgrade to Firefox 2.0.. i tried that, and it said that firefox 2 was installed, but i cant open it, neither can i open the old version
[06:32] <Hobbsee> arunkale: try killall firefox, and try again?
[06:32] <campbch> alright
[06:32] <Hobbsee> arunkale: and move your profile out of the way?
[06:33] <arunkale> Jucato: I tried to uninstall firefox, and reinstall it, but doesn't work
[06:33] <Jucato> arunkale: Hobbsee might know better. I haven't tried Fx 2.0 on Linux yet.
[06:34] <arunkale> Hobbsee: I tried deleting the profile from etc/firefox/
[06:34] <arunkale> it says access denied or something
[06:34] <Hobbsee> arunkale: the one in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[06:34] <caseyomah> What was Edgy ISO page again?
[06:35] <caseyomah> !edgy
[06:35] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[06:35] <caseyomah> !schedule
[06:35] <draik> arunkale, here is the command you need to do...
[06:35] <arunkale> Hobbsee: it says the folder .mozilla does not exist
[06:35] <draik> sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[06:35] <Hobbsee> arunkale: .firefox, sorry
[06:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[06:35] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure what they call it now
[06:36] <Hobbsee> caseyomah: cdimages.ubuntu.com/ somewhere?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> caseyomah: it's nto yet been released
[06:36] <arunkale> Hobbsee: .firefox doesn't exist either
[06:36] <caseyomah> Right, <24 Hours away.
[06:36] <draik> .firefox won't exist
[06:36] <draik> it's .mozilla/firefox
[06:36] <arunkale> and there's no .mozilla folder either
[06:36] <Jucato> and it's in the home directory arunkale
[06:37] <arunkale> so i'm guessing i'm in some deep shit
[06:37] <arunkale> yeah, Jucato, that's what i tried
[06:37] <arunkale> home/arunkale/.mozila
[06:37] <nikon> can someone help me with pgp decryption?
[06:37] <arunkale> not working
[06:37] <Jucato> :(
[06:37] <draik> .mozilla is hidden. you won't see it. Do it in CLI
[06:37] <arunkale> it says the folder doesn't exist
[06:38] <draik> ben_ did you find what you need?
[06:38] <arunkale> draik: I'm looking at hidden files
[06:38] <arunkale> there's no .mozilla
[06:38] <Hawkwind> If you've ever installed mozilla or firefox, then you have a ~/.mozilla directory
[06:38] <arunkale> I think I must have deleted it earlier
[06:38] <Hawkwind> arunkale: ls -la ~/.mozilla  Type that in a console as normal user and paste the outputs
[06:38] <TheUni> in the newest edgy update, did they change the firefox logo back to the fox wrapping the world (old style)? did the debian vs. mozilla war finally pan out?
[06:39] <TheUni> coz that's the logo i've got
[06:39] <Hawkwind> arunkale: If you start mozilla or firefox, it will re-create that ~/.mozilla directory
[06:39] <TheUni> just noticed it changed
[06:39] <arunkale> sorry
[06:39] <arunkale> ls: /home/arunkale/.mozilla: No such file or directory.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> well, it's clearly not there
[06:39] <arunkale> Hawkwind: I think I deleted it earlier in order to do a fresh install
[06:39] <Jucato> that's weird...
[06:39] <arunkale> and i reinstalled it, and there's no new directory created
[06:39] <Hawkwind> arunkale: So start mozilla or firefox, it'll get created
[06:39] <Hawkwind> It won't be there until you start the app
[06:40] <arunkale> Hawkwind: It's not starting
[06:40] <Hobbsee> arunkale: try ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l
[06:40] <Hobbsee> arunkale: what does it say?
[06:40] <Hawkwind> arunkale: It won't start from CLI ?
[06:40] <arunkale> i installed firefox, but all i get is a firefox shortcut in usr/bin.. there's no actual script
[06:40] <Jucato> eeew...
[06:40] <arunkale> i tried running firefox using alt+f2, and i get this error:
[06:40] <arunkale> KDEInit could not launch 'firefox'.:
[06:40] <arunkale> Could not find 'firefox' executable.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> arunkale: where'd you install firefox from?  the repos?
[06:41] <Hawkwind> How did you install firefox ?
[06:41] <arunkale> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:41] <Hawkwind> arunkale: In a terminal type:  mozilla-firefox   and pastebin the errors
[06:41] <Hobbsee> arunkale: try ps aux | grep firefox | wc -l <-- what does it say?
[06:42] <arunkale> Hawkwind: it says command not found :p
[06:42] <arunkale> hold on
[06:42] <Hawkwind> So install it
[06:42] <Jucato> heheh people who can't wait for the official Ubuntu Fx 2.0 :)
[06:42] <arunkale> Hobbsee: I tried your command, it outputs a 0 on the next line, and returns me to the prompt
[06:43] <Kiongku> hey guys.. where should be the plugins directory for my firefox?
[06:43] <Hawkwind> arunkale: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox
[06:43] <Hobbsee> arunkale: 0?  interesting.
[06:43] <arunkale> Hawkwind: I did install it using sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:43] <draik> Kiongku, it's in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[06:43] <arunkale> ok we have an error
[06:44] <Kiongku> draik: hmm i added the libflashplayer.so there but no result
[06:44] <arunkale> i'll pastebin it
[06:44] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Could be in /usr/lib as well if you want the global plugins directory
[06:44] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Did you restart the browser ?
[06:44] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Why not just use the flash9 deb packages ?
[06:44] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: think so
[06:44] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: where is it.. i cant find it in my repos
[06:44] <Hawkwind> !flash9
[06:44] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[06:45] <Kiongku> ah
[06:45] <Kiongku> need to add repos
[06:45] <nikon> Can soemone help me please??
[06:45] <arunkale> Hawkwind, Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28208/
[06:45] <Hawkwind> nikon: Ask your question
[06:45] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: btw enlightenment does not seems to run synaptic as root?.. any solution
[06:45] <Hawkwind> arunkale: As I stated, install mozilla-firefox
[06:45] <bmo> half installed?  apt-get -f install
[06:46] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: sudo synaptic or kdesu synaptic from a terminal will run it as soot
[06:46] <Hawkwind> s/soot/root
[06:46] <caseyomah> I crashed an edgy dist-upgrade.
[06:46] <bmo> nikon what's your problem?
[06:46] <nikon> Hawkwind: trying to become a ubuntero on launchpad.net, set up my key and everything, but i cant figure out how to decrypt the email they sent me
[06:46] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: hmm... the GUI cant handle it?
[06:46] <arunkale> Hawkwind: I already installed it!
[06:46] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Ummmmm, E17 is not a DE like KDE.  Get used to it not doing those goofy things
[06:47] <bmo> arukkale: the error says you have it half installed.  sudo apt-get -f install
[06:47] <Hawkwind> arunkale: It's *not* installed, as that pastebin post clearly states
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Kiongku: use sudo synaptic
[06:47] <bmo> arunkale, even
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: mozilla-firefox is just a metapackage for firefox.
[06:47] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: T_T k... seems like i'll be using CLI more..
[06:47] <arunkale> Hawkwind: Well, i tried sudo apt-get install firefox.. what else can i do
[06:47] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Right, but it doesn't matter if he installs mozilla-firefox or firefox, they will both work :)
[06:47] <Dasnipa`> Hawkwind, it seems like everyone is adressing you so i will too
[06:48] <Hawkwind> arunkale: As bmo stated 2 times, sudo apt-get -f install
[06:48] <Cuboid> Hi
[06:48] <Jucato> lol
[06:48] <arunkale> oh ok, thanks
[06:48] <bmo> arunkale: you have firefox _half installed_, you need to FIX the install, by apt-get -f install
[06:48] <lotusleaf> Halloween is almost upon us, and you know that that means: clean out your closet of those spare Ubuntu Ship-It CDs you may have, duct tape a Snickers bar to them if you have to, just give them out!!
[06:48] <Cuboid> How can I quickly upgrade GTK?
[06:48] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: whats the command line to bind an application to a shortcut key in the config?
[06:48] <Jucato> lotusleaf: kinda offtopic right now :)
[06:48] <Jucato> Kiongku: is that for Kubuntu or for E17?
[06:48] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: No idea, I don't use shortcut keys at all.  Might ask in #E
[06:48] <arunkale> ah it seems to be working
[06:49] <Hawkwind> arunkale: Of course it is :)
[06:49] <Jucato> ok, one problem solved... NEXT!!
[06:49] <nikon> ok, im trying to become a ubuntero on launchpad.net, how do i decrypt the email they send me, after i upload my pgp key
[06:49] <Kiongku> lol.. u put icons?
[06:49] <Jucato> no you don't!
[06:49] <arunkale> Hawkwind: still the same error, when i try to run it from alt+f2
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: yes, but if you install firefox, then check if mozilla-firefox is installed, of course it will come back false
[06:49] <Hawkwind> Jucato: No can do, SportsCenter is coming on :P
[06:50] <Kiongku> !flash9
[06:50] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[06:50] <Jucato> bwahaha
[06:50] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I don't get that.  I've installed 'firefox' and dpkg -l mozilla-firefox shows me it's installed
[06:50] <javi_> juja
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nikon: grab kgpg
[06:51] <n8k99> bmo:kmail can send mail that is encrypted by kgpg
[06:51] <Jucato> oh god this is so s2pid.. if only my Edgy knot 3 cd worked...
[06:51] <arunkale> i'm never going to use firefox again, am i :p
[06:51] <Hobbsee> bmo: thunderbird, kmail, mutt, etc
[06:51] <Hobbsee> arunkale: sure you are
[06:51] <caseyomah> bmo, It's not the mailer, you need to ungpg it, you gave them you gpg key so they could encrypt it with your gpg.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> arunkale: what was the current problem?
[06:51] <Hawkwind> arunkale: I don't either.  I now use swiftfox :)
[06:52] <arunkale> Hobbsee: I tried fixing the installation by using sudo apt-get -f install firefox
[06:52] <nikon> all i need to know is how to decrypt the email i got
[06:52] <Cuboid> Can somebody here tell me how to upgrade GTK?
[06:52] <arunkale> Hobbsee: I still get the same error when I try to run the program.. it doesnt run
[06:52] <Hobbsee> arunkale: right, can you paste ls -la /usr/bin/firefox?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> nikon: gpg --decrypt
[06:53] <caseyomah> nikon, bmo, you need to save the email to text and gpg --decrypt it.
[06:53] <Kiongku> err whats the public key for the repos given in !flash9
[06:53] <arunkale> Hobbsee: i get this --   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2006-10-24 12:28 /usr/bin/firefox -> /opt/firefox/firefox
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: It should tell you in the warning message.  You don't need it, you can ignore it
[06:54] <Hobbsee> arunkale: that'll be why
[06:54] <Hawkwind> You installed firefox from source!
[06:54] <arunkale> Hobbsee: what?
[06:54] <caseyomah> Kiongku, if you go to the repo's site then there are instructions for adding the key.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: or it's just pointed there
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Why people don't use the deb packages.  This is a prime example of why you don't install from source :)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: hush.  :P
[06:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: deb package for 2.0?
[06:55] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Carry on.  I'll go to bed :P
[06:55] <Hobbsee> arunkale: can you run all these commands?
[06:55] <Hobbsee>  sudo rm /usr/bin/firefox
[06:55] <Hobbsee>  sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/firefox
[06:55] <Hobbsee>  # Then, /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox, used as the default gnome browser
[06:55] <Hobbsee>  sudo rm /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[06:55] <Hobbsee>  sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[06:55] <nikon> ha got thanks alot
[06:55] <arunkale> Hobbsee: ok, i'll run them
[06:55] <arunkale> Hobbsee: i didnt get the third one
[06:56] <arunkale> what am i supposed to do with the third line
[06:56] <Hobbsee> arunkale: you can ignore it, sorry
[06:56] <Hobbsee> arunkale: just run the rest
[06:56] <Hobbsee> (i copy pasted)
[06:56] <Kiongku> caseyomah: no key on the website
[06:57] <arunkale> ok
[06:58] <arunkale> Hobbsee: done
[06:58] <arunkale> Hobbsee: now what?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> arunkale: now "killall firefox && firefox"
[06:58] <caseyomah> Kiongku, Sorry, you needed to go to the front page, the command to auto-add the gpg key is: wget http://seveas.imbrandon.com/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[06:58] <Hobbsee> see if it works ;)
[06:59] <arunkale> Hobbsee: ok done
[06:59] <arunkale> now?
[06:59] <arunkale> see if what works
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Did it start ?
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Firefox
[06:59] <Hobbsee> arunkale: see if firefox works :)
[06:59] <arunkale> YAY IT WORKS
[06:59] <Jucato>  bwahaha
[06:59] <Hobbsee> arunkale: :D
[06:59] <hrp2171> awesome
[06:59] <arunkale> hahah this is so awesome
[06:59] <arunkale> thank you!!
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: If that isn't documented somewhere on the wiki, it should be :)
[06:59] <arunkale> thank you so much!
[06:59] <Jucato> why do I keep on trying to use my scroll wheel in irssi, on a tty...
[06:59] <hrp2171> hello peeps
[06:59] <arunkale> i was resigning myself to a firefox-less fate
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: it is, where do you think i got that past efrom?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: w.u.c/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it's been there for a long time
[07:00] <Jucato> :P
[07:00] <hrp2171> currently getting ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <caseyomah> arunkale, Just install Opera, it's better anyway.
[07:00] <Kiongku> hmm seems working the flash player
[07:00] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: Personal opinion really
[07:00] <Jucato> "better" is very subjective
[07:00] <Jucato> :)
[07:00] <caseyomah> Hawkwind, Fair 'nuff. :)
[07:00] <Hawkwind> Emphasis on *very*
[07:00] <arunkale> caseyomah: I don't like Opera as much as firefox.. plus Gmail is buggy in opera
[07:01] <Jucato> arunkale: works fine for me. maybe browser identification is needed?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> arunkale: You should look at swiftfox..... http://getswiftfox.com
[07:01] <Jucato> lol
[07:01] <hrp2171> in my opinion, ie7 for windows, firefox for linux
[07:01] <Jucato> somehow I know Hawkwind would say that :)
[07:01] <Hawkwind> Jucato: If we get enough users using it, it'll be able to be packaged and included with distros :)
[07:02] <caseyomah> arunkale, Not at all, My win32 and my linux installation of opera work great with Gmail. When gmail first started their Standard interface they didn't support opera, now it's perfect.
[07:02] <Jucato> hahah
[07:02] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: Only if the correct browser identification is set, and by default it's usually not
[07:02] <seishinbyou> Ooh, Swiftfox.  Sure, I'll download it and try it out
[07:02] <hrp2171> so, when adept downloads packages for installation, where are they kept?
[07:03] <caseyomah> Hawkwind, I didn't mess with masking or ident.
[07:03] <caseyomah> seishinbyou, Why not?
[07:03] <Jucato> lol
[07:03] <Hawkwind> caseyomah: I don't either.  But usually by default Opera is set wrong for gmail to work properly
[07:04] <caseyomah> Hawkwind, I didn't have any problem "out of the box" as it were.
[07:04] <seishinbyou> caseyomah: force of habit, usually when I need to mail someone I meet on IRC, I just tack @hotmail or @gmail on the end
[07:04] <Homer> May the source be with you
[07:04] <arunkale> caseyomah: Gmail doesnt work for me in Opera out of the box
[07:04] <caseyomah> seishinbyou, What about the yahoo flunkies?
[07:04] <Jucato> seishinbyou: you left out yahoo :)
[07:04] <Jucato> oh he beat me to it :)
[07:05] <dude_> jucato! : )
[07:05] <Jucato> dude_!
[07:05] <Jucato> Dude! Where's my car? (just can't help saying it!)
[07:05] <arunkale> ok should i download the firefox 2 installation file from getfirefox.com
[07:05] <arunkale> they have a final release
[07:05] <seishinbyou> Ah, but anyone I know with a yahoo address is a coworker that uses @yahoo.co.jp as his personal mail
[07:06] <dude_> jucato: hehehe
[07:06] <dude_> jucato: one more application
[07:06] <Jucato> seishinbyou: heheh. is yahoo.co.jp more famous there than Gmail? :)
[07:06] <caseyomah> arunkale, Just reinstall kubuntu from livecd and reinstall everything from scratch.
[07:06] <dude_> jucato: and the transition is complete
[07:06] <lotusleaf> doesn't yahoo japan have free POP?
[07:06] <arunkale> caseyomah: what?
[07:06] <lotusleaf> or is that yahoo china
[07:06] <caseyomah> arunkale, I'm just being a pain, don't mind me.
[07:06] <Jucato> ncurses yahoo for not having free POP :(
[07:06] <Hawkwind> arunkale: You should stick with the firefox that is in the repos and stop installing from source
[07:07] <lotusleaf> Jucato: actually I believe yahoo china may be the one with free POP
[07:07] <Hawkwind> arunkale: If you do that, you're liable to mess up your install again
[07:07] <arunkale> Hawkwind: alright :)
[07:07] <Jucato> :)
[07:07] <arunkale> haha
[07:07] <Jucato> lotusleaf: as I'm not from China, it wouldn't matter, at least to me :(
[07:07] <hrp2171> got the answer: /var/cache/apt/archives. thanks.
[07:08] <caseyomah> arunkale, If you want to install from sources, use linux from scratch and do EVERYTHING from source so you know the config.
[07:08] <seishinbyou> Jucato: Actually, hotmail.co.jp is probably the most popular
[07:08] <Jucato> hrp2171: sorry didn't see your question. could have told you that. :(
[07:08] <arunkale> can i use the themes on the firefox site with my linux firefox
[07:08] <seishinbyou> gmail is still in the minority unless I specifically push them to it
[07:08] <lotusleaf> Jucato: yeah but once you set it up would you need to read chinese to use it?
[07:08] <Jucato> dunno :)
[07:09] <caseyomah> seishinbyou, That's partly because it's still in limited admittance. (cell phone/invite only)
[07:09] <dude_> express scribe software< anyone?
[07:09] <seishinbyou> Though, to be honest, most people just use their cell phone email address these days
[07:09] <dude_> who know this app
[07:10] <caseyomah> Seveas scrambled his brain.
[07:10] <seishinbyou> In a world where people email Word/Excel files to one another and edit them all over their cell phones, why not?
[07:11] <Kiongku> hmm whats the command to check my hard disk usage?
[07:11] <caseyomah> Who knows anything about Cedega?
[07:12] <Motorhead> where can i find a c programming tutorial?
[07:12] <Motorhead> don' t say google plz
[07:12] <caseyomah> Motorhead,  w3cschools.com (I think)
[07:12] <Jucato> err...
[07:13] <Jucato> w3schools is for HTML/CSS/XML stuff
[07:13] <Motorhead> lol
[07:13] <BonBonTheJon> Motorhead: google it, or look at http://einstein.drexel.edu/courses/CompPhys/General/C_basics/c_tutorial.html
[07:13] <caseyomah> I thought they had C too...
[07:13] <Jucato> oh didn't check lately
[07:13] <Jucato> but that would be weird if they did
[07:13] <Kiongku> flash9 beta = no sound and mouse left click seems not good
[07:13] <Motorhead> i know python.. and learned windows c++... but i've found that its somewhat different in linux
[07:13] <caseyomah> Being the Web consortium, true...
[07:13] <seishinbyou> So, Jucato, tell me, which is better:  Software, or hardware?
[07:14] <Jucato> seishinbyou: USER :P
[07:14] <arunkale> if i had to get a new laptop, which one would you guys recommend?
[07:14] <Kiongku> my bad got sound but mouse still not good -_-
[07:14] <caseyomah> From a programmers point of view a user that take a prompt and returns a value.
[07:14] <Jucato> hm.. arunkale preferably one that runs :)
[07:15] <Jucato> j/k
[07:15] <arunkale> haha.. i meant which company, specs, etc
[07:15] <arunkale> :)
[07:15] <Jucato> seishinbyou: it's like your asking me which is better, yin or yang... neither is ultimately better. one needs the other :)
[07:16] <caseyomah> seishinbyou, If you are asking weather hardware support or software emulation is better, then hardware.
[07:16] <kingrayray> er, where is KDE's trash bin? :x
[07:16] <kingrayray> I don't have an icon on my desktop..
[07:16] <seishinbyou> also, emulating a few clients from the past
[07:16] <caseyomah> seishinbyou, Otherwise Jucato is right.
[07:16] <Jucato> kingrayray: should be in your panel
[07:17] <kingrayray> okay, well um, how do i put it on my desktop?
[07:17] <caseyomah> kingrayray, Just to the left of your Notification area.
[07:17] <kingrayray> yeah i found it
[07:18] <Jucato> kingrayray: right-click on the desktop, choose Create New -> Link to URL, then in the Link to location (URL) field, enter "trash:/"
[07:18] <Motorhead> so its ok if i ask for help here when i get sucked??
[07:18] <kingrayray> neat!
[07:18] <kingrayray> thanks, Jucato and caseyomah
[07:18] <kingrayray> :-)
[07:18] <caseyomah> Motorhead, NEVER! You shall die for asking for help!
[07:18] <Motorhead> lol, wtf i said
[07:18] <Motorhead> sucked* stucked
[07:19] <Jucato> Motorhead: about C? probably not. there's a ##c channel
[07:19] <Motorhead> nope
[07:19] <Motorhead> about linux in general
[07:19] <Jucato> Motorhead: of course if you get sucked... well.... :)
[07:19] <Motorhead> XD
[07:19] <Motorhead> i forgot the t :P
[07:19] <caseyomah> Motorhead, Most guys don't complain about that too much...
[07:19] <Motorhead> kk
[07:19] <seishinbyou> s/sucked/stucked/
[07:19] <Jucato> *most*
[07:19] <Motorhead> w/e
[07:19] <caseyomah> Jucato, I did say most.
[07:20] <Jucato> caseyomah: most guys don't complain that much about being s**cked? :P
[07:20] <Jucato> ok I'm getting waaaay offtopic :P
[07:20] <Motorhead> it gets better if you spam
[07:20] <draik> Yeah you are
[07:20] <Motorhead> lol
[07:20] <caseyomah> Jucato, X-act-ly.
[07:20] <Jucato> hehe
[07:20] <draik> Jucato, I come back from eating and you're talking about ... just great. What's next, tubgirl???
[07:21] <Jucato> sssshhh
[07:21] <Motorhead> noes
[07:21] <caseyomah> Motorhead, But seriously, I'm in here pretty often with my own issues.
[07:22] <caseyomah> Most recently I decided to dist-upgrade to edgy and crashed my other box to anchor mode (until I burn a new ISO)
[07:22] <Motorhead> kk
[07:23] <Jucato> anchor mode?
[07:23] <m0zone> silly question i noticed on youtube people captureing there screens in like a avi format  anyone know how about doin that    :P
[07:23] <caseyomah> Jucato, Weld a chain onto it and put it on a boat.
[07:23] <Jucato> m0zone: screenkast is probably what you're looking for
[07:23] <m0zone> thanks i will look into it jucato
[07:24] <caseyomah> What is the air-speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow?
[07:24] <Jucato> ....
[07:24] <Motorhead> 10m/s?
[07:25] <caseyomah> Motorhead, Is that an African or European swallow?
[07:25] <dude_> jucato: GNOME or KDE?
[07:26] <Motorhead> indian
[07:26] <caseyomah> Motorhead, Okay then.
[07:26] <Jucato> dude_: huh?
[07:27] <dude_> jucato: which is better?
[07:27] <caseyomah> Jucato, Is Screenkast Gnome or KDE?
[07:27] <Jucato> caseyomah: the "K" should already give you an idea :P
[07:27] <Jucato> dude_: very subjective question. :D
[07:27] <caseyomah> Jucato, No, not at all. lol
[07:27] <dude_> ya..:)_
[07:27] <Jucato> also known as "flamebait" :)
[07:27] <dude_> i can't decide what to use
[07:28] <Motorhead> w000t
[07:28] <Motorhead> damn
[07:28] <Motorhead> g2g
[07:28] <Motorhead> cya all later
[07:28] <caseyomah> Shall we start the next "cola wars" (restart) the "flavor wars"?
[07:28] <Jucato> dude_: simple lang. decide what suits your needs/wants. that's going to be the deciding factor of which is best for *you*
[07:28] <Jucato> heh... never liked Pepsi :P
[07:28] <caseyomah> Jucato, I agree.
[07:29] <dude_> jucato: that the problem, i like both...hehehhe
[07:29] <draik> Jucato, PEPSI beats coke :P
[07:29] <Jucato> draik: hush :P
[07:29] <dude_> ice tea
[07:29] <dude_> :)
[07:29] <flaccid_> bundaberg rum and cola beats both of them
[07:29] <draik> RASPBERRY Iced Tea
[07:29] <Jucato> dude_: use both. change from time to time. learn both, then decide later again
[07:29] <dude_> red ice tea
[07:29] <caseyomah> dude_, Install both and switch every boot until you break the pattern naturally and which ever one you are using more you keep.
[07:29] <draik> Jucato, Pepsi and Coke taste the same when mixed with Rum
[07:30] <caseyomah> draik, Really depend on which rum.
[07:30] <dude_> tnx
[07:30] <sF|Xemanth> heh i would like to use edgy in my laptop but i'm scared of doing dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade :| i know that with my luck it will go boom
[07:30] <sF|Xemanth> :|
[07:30] <dude_> casey: what are you using?
[07:30] <draik> Malibu Rum, Bacardi and various others
[07:30] <Jucato> dude_: you can even try out other options like Xfce, fluxbox, etc
[07:30] <Jucato> ok lets not get *too* offtopic..
[07:30] <draik> sorry Sifu Jucato
[07:30] <dude_> jucato: what are you using?
[07:31] <dude_> !Xfce
[07:31] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:31] <Jucato> dude_: right now... nothing. no X yet :P
[07:31] <Jucato> j/k. Kubuntu, meaning KDE
[07:31] <draik> I think that most of the people in this channel are using KDE
[07:31] <sF|Xemanth> has somebody else done dist upgrade dapper -> edgy ?
[07:31] <arunkale> i cant even upgrade man
[07:31] <dude_> jucato: what do you mean?
[07:31] <dude_> casey: what are you using?
[07:31] <arunkale> my connection is so slow, it'll take ages
[07:31] <caseyomah> dude_, I personally prefer KDE.
[07:31] <caseyomah> dude_,  Though this box is Gnome.
[07:31] <draik> I've used GNOME before and didn't care much for it
[07:31] <draik> I like KDE
[07:32] <sF|Xemanth> KDE <3
[07:32] <Jucato> dude_: I mean that I have no graphical environment setup yet right now. doing a reinstall
[07:32] <dude_> k
[07:32] <draik> Jucato, speaking of which, how is that coming along?
[07:33] <Jucato> draik: 36% :P
[07:33] <draik> ETA?
[07:33] <Jucato> draik: I'm really banging my head on the wall...
[07:33] <Jucato> no ETA
[07:33] <draik> ouch
[07:33] <draik> well, the upside of a linux install is that you can still use the LIVE CD/DVD while installing in the background
[07:34] <Blacken> Hm, is there a KDE applet for the kicker panel that includes information such as CPU speed, etc.? (Laptop; I like knowing when I'm speedstepped)
[07:34] <Jucato> draik: err.. I'm apt-getting remember
[07:34] <caseyomah> Jucato, Edgy install?
[07:34] <draik> oh, sorry forgot
[07:34] <Blacken> I think I've seen one, but I don't remember what it is.
[07:34] <Jucato> caseyomah: unfortunately, my Edgy CD fscked out on me. so I had to install Dapper, then dist-upgrade
[07:34] <draik> Blacken, I am using Superkaramba's SystemCheck
[07:35] <Jucato> draik: psst. KDE applet for kicker :)
[07:35] <Jucato> MEPIS has one installed by default. I forgot the name of it though...
[07:35] <draik> whoops
[07:35] <caseyomah> Jucato, I just did a dist-upgrade on my primary box and it won't even boot to tty1 anymore.
[07:35] <Blacken> Oh, gah. I forgot to install superkaramba.
[07:35] <Jucato> caseyomah: ugh.. that's bad... well this is a fresh install, so no problems yet so far :)
[07:36] <caseyomah> Jucato, It looked pretty clean (besides breaking dependancies) when I did it...
[07:36] <draik> What's the command for doing a simple chkdsk on my HDDs?
[07:36] <Jucato> fsck ?
[07:36] <caseyomah> !fschk
[07:36] <draik> yes
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fschk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <caseyomah> !fsck
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <Jucato> heheh
[07:37] <draik> lol
[07:37] <draik> I'll just  fsck --help
[07:37] <caseyomah> ubotu don't know.
[07:37] <draik> thank you
[07:37] <Jucato> draik: or man:/fsck in Konqi
[07:37] <arunkale> how do i untar files?
[07:38] <arunkale> tar -xvfz?
[07:38] <caseyomah> arunkale, ark <filename>
[07:38] <Jucato> arunkale: yeah (iirc)
[07:38] <Jucato> arunkale: or use Ark :)
[07:38] <draik> hmmm... for device do I just do sda1 or /media/sda1?
[07:38] <Jucato> which also happens to be the name of my PC :P
[07:38] <caseyomah> draik, /dev/...
[07:38] <Jucato> draik: probably /dev
[07:38] <_matt> arunkale: depends.  for gzip, I use tar -zxpf; for bzip2, use tar -jxpf
[07:39] <arunkale> if i try tar -xvfz it says no such file or folder
[07:39] <draik> yup, /dev
[07:39] <_matt> arunkale: are you specifying a valid file?
[07:39] <draik> what are inodes?
[07:40] <arunkale> well it's a tar.gz
[07:40] <Jucato> err.. more technical mambo jumbo draik...
[07:40] <draik> ok, but what are they?
[07:40] <caseyomah> !inode
[07:40] <Jucato> draik: Google :) (sorry)
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <_matt> arunkale: try: tar -zxpf <filename>.  To get the correct filename, type the first few letters, and then press [tab] 
[07:40] <Jucato> _matt: what's the "p" for?
[07:40] <draik> otay
[07:41] <arunkale> _matt: and where does that extract the files to?
[07:41] <caseyomah> archangel_, Same dir.
[07:41] <_matt> Jucato: preserves file permissions
[07:41] <Jucato> arunkale: always in the current directory
[07:41] <caseyomah> arunkale,  Same dir.
[07:41] <_matt> arunkale: ./
[07:41] <arunkale> hehe
[07:42] <caseyomah> Welcome back intelikey.
[07:42] <Whiz2> I'm having issues... I've got my printer setup in Linux, and linux has been told to share it, however, I can't export the drivers for it, nor can I get windows to install the drivers, or use the printer.. what am I doing wrong?
[07:42] <intelikey> caseyomah ty
[07:42] <Jucato> hi intelikey likely :)
[07:42] <intelikey> Jucato
[07:42] <arunkale> thanks guys
[07:42] <Whiz2> oh yeah... I'm back btw lol
[07:42] <caseyomah> Whiz2, You need to replace the user with a newer model.
[07:43] <Blacken> Can superkaramba applets be bound to kicker panels?
[07:43] <Whiz2> caseyomah: You trying to say I'm old? :-p
[07:43] <Jucato> Blacken: nope
[07:43] <caseyomah> Whiz2, No, just worn out.
[07:43] <Blacken> Ew. No use for me, then. :/
[07:43] <Whiz2> lol
[07:43] <intelikey> just like walking in to the set for the sit-com 'cheers'
[07:43] <Whiz2> kinda like my shoes... I need a new pair of them
[07:44] <Jucato> what are new shoes? :)
[07:44] <Whiz2> what I really need to do is figure out just what I'm doing wrong
[07:45] <caseyomah> Jucato, sneakernet interface adapters.
[07:45] <Jucato> :P
[07:45] <Whiz2> I've followed all the given instructions, and documentation that I've come across for this printer issue.. I'm trying to share with Samba, but it hates me
[07:45] <intelikey> Whiz2 ahhh spending way too much time looking at a computer maybe   :)
[07:45] <Whiz2> funny caseyomah
[07:46] <Whiz2> intelikey: For me there is no such thing lol
[07:46] <caseyomah> Whiz2, Computer time is 24/7/365.25.
[07:46] <intelikey> just trying to help you figure out what you were doing wrong
[07:46] <Blacken> Are there any (decent to good) kicker applets out there? I don't see any on kde-*.org.
[07:47] <Whiz2> well... not quite that much, but I wouldn't complain if it was lol
[07:47] <Blacken> I'm looking for a system information one and maybe others if they exist (I'd like to know what's out there).
[07:47] <Jucato> Blacken: I think you can find some in the repositories. use Adept or apt-cache to search for applets or panel or kicker applets
[07:47] <Blacken> Panel applets? Widgets that go on the panels?
[07:48] <Blacken> Jucato: I've searched the repos, didn't find (or didn't correctly name) what I'm looking for. :/
[07:48] <Jucato> Blacken: which is what you're looking for, right?
[07:48] <Blacken> Jucato: Correct.
[07:48] <Blacken> I've seen it before, I used to HAVE it, but I can't find it.
[07:48] <caseyomah> Don't mind Whiz2, I introduced him to linux and I still haven't taught him everything.
[07:48] <caseyomah> !kicker
[07:48] <Whiz2> Widgets for Linux? That's a new one on me
[07:48] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1855 kB, installed size 5576 kB
[07:48] <Jucato> Blacken: sorry I can't exactly help you right now. I don't even have X running :P
[07:49] <Blacken> Jucato: NP.
[07:49] <caseyomah> Whiz2, My main box is running in anchor mode.
[07:49] <intelikey> Whiz2 you mean there are other kinds ?
[07:49] <Whiz2> basically it's the "Show Desktop" icon for Linux
[07:49] <Jucato> Whiz2: Desktop widgets? well there's Superkaramba for KDE, gDesklets for GNOME, and aDesklets for ... anybody (I think)
[07:49] <Whiz2> Yeah there are Widgets for Widows
[07:50] <intelikey> windows pfft
[07:50] <caseyomah> Whiz2, is a M$ user, he still duel (sic) boots.
[07:50] <Jucato> there are desktop widgets for Windows, Linux, and Mac
[07:50] <Jucato> er *nix too (BSD included I guess)
[07:50] <Whiz2> and now I'm installing superkaramba lol
[07:51] <caseyomah> ...oh, yeah, and he's a widget freak.
[07:51] <intelikey> yeah i'm just stiring the pot to see who boils first
[07:51] <Blacken> Can superkaramba applets be locked to be always-on-top?
[07:51] <Whiz2> I have a network PC that is Linux only, then this PC which dual boots Linux, and XP
[07:51] <Jucato> Blacken: yes, but you'd have to edit the .theme for it
[07:51] <caseyomah> Blacken, I think you can do it through KDE Window settings.
[07:51] <draik> AFAIK widgets go on the panel in GNOME, not KDE
[07:52] <Whiz2> then one other computer in the house which is windows 98
[07:52] <draik> I have tried to search for something similar before too, but no luck
[07:52] <Jucato> draik: huh?
[07:52] <draik> Jucato, desktop widgets
[07:52] <Blacken> draik: I have a bunch of widgets on my kicker that say otherwise...like the clock. And the K menu. And the virtual desktop switcher.
[07:52] <Jucato> Blacken: those aren't "widgets". they're called "applets" :)
[07:52] <Jucato> might lessen the confusion if you get the terms right :P
[07:52] <draik> right, applets
[07:53] <Whiz2> Yes they are applets
[07:53] <Blacken> There's a difference?
[07:53] <Jucato> Blacken: widgets can mean lots of things. desktop widgets, control widgets, etc
[07:53] <Whiz2> those are not widgets lol
[07:53] <Blacken> Installed it a month ago, still fiddling with it.
[07:53] <draik> well, I have a mini dictionary/thesaurus that isn't docked to my kicker as I wished it were
[07:53] <Jucato> the ones on the panel are called Applet (panel or kicker applets)
[07:53] <Blacken> How baroque.
[07:53] <caseyomah> Widgets are a special sub-type of applet, technically everything that runs in a GUI is an applet...
[07:53] <Jucato> draik: then it isn't a panel/kicker applet
[07:54] <draik> nope, can't find any that are for KDE
[07:54] <Jucato> caseyomah: I'm just concerned with the KDE terminology here :)
[07:54] <draik> I find some, but they're GNOME
[07:54] <Whiz2> You and your technicallities, Casey
[07:54] <caseyomah> Whiz2, Sure, why not?
[07:54] <Jucato> draik: 43%...
[07:54] <Whiz2> can't you run GNOME applets/widgets in KDE?
[07:54] <intelikey> i thought there was a diff in applets and aplications
[07:54] <Jucato> Whiz2: no.
[07:55] <Jucato> Whiz2: GNOME panel applets/widgets need gnome-panel to run.
[07:55] <caseyomah> Jucato, Slow moving, what's your CPU/RAM?
[07:55] <draik> slowly but surely
[07:55] <Jucato> caseyomah: er downloading... nothing to do with CPU/RAM
[07:55] <Whiz2> does that include non-panel applications as well, Jucato?
[07:55] <Jucato> Whiz2: non-panel apps? like?
[07:56] <Whiz2> GFTP
[07:56] <caseyomah> intelikey, Applets require an application to open them (Application=X Applet=Konqueror)
[07:56] <Whiz2> I think thatr's what it's called
[07:56] <Whiz2> that's*
[07:56] <Jucato> Whiz2: yes.. GNOME apps would generally run on KDE and vice-versa
[07:57] <Whiz2> caseyomah: How is your X running now? working correctly yet?
[07:57] <intelikey> dependancies dependancies dependancies
[07:58] <caseyomah> Whiz2, Main box is running in "anchor mode"
[07:58] <Whiz2> caseyomah: I dunno what "anchor mode" is
[07:58] <Jucato> lol :)
[07:59] <Jucato> copy-paste, copy-paste, copy-paste
[07:59] <propagandhi> caseyomah: is it just holding the door open
[07:59] <intelikey> lol
[07:59] <Whiz2> !anchor
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anchor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <propagandhi> ubotu: that makes two of us
[07:59] <propagandhi> lol
[08:00] <Jucato> Whiz2: he means that you could tie the PC to a boat and use it as an anchor
[08:00] <Whiz2> caseyomah: You're gonna have to give me a better explaination than that.
[08:00] <intelikey> !bot
[08:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:00] <caseyomah> Whiz2, "anchor mode" = "paper weight mode"...
[08:00] <Whiz2> lol @ Jucato
[08:00] <Jucato> = useless mode
[08:00] <Whiz2> then are you going to try a fresh install?
[08:00] <Blacken> Which is the better thing to have installed on a machine -- powersaved or powernowd?
[08:00] <Whiz2> or try to revert back to KDE?
[08:01] <intelikey> i have a few anchors lying around here....
[08:01] <caseyomah> Once I can burn an ISO.
[08:01] <Whiz2> Blacken: I would assume powersave
[08:01] <intelikey> Blacken depends on what you want it to do.
[08:02] <Blacken> intelikey: That's kind of what I'm looking to find out. :p
[08:02] <Whiz2> brb... gonna switch out to KDE... I feel like playing with Linux on a faster machine. (aka this one lol)
[08:03] <intelikey> powernowd - control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface
[08:03] <intelikey> powersaved - power management daemon
[08:04] <intelikey> apt-cache show "blah"
[08:04] <draik> Jucato, ETA is under 30 minutes for my ninja videos
[08:04] <Blacken> intelikey: Yeah...I can poke ubotu/read synaptic myself. I'm asking what the difference is, why they're mutually exclusive, and if one has better/more features than the other.
[08:04] <Jucato> heheh nice draik
[08:04] <draik> it's kinda weird for a torrent with such this many peers being so slow
[08:04] <Jucato> draik: mine is 5 hours, according to apt :P
[08:04] <draik> it's been about 2 weeks now...
[08:04] <intelikey> so read up
[08:04] <intelikey> don't ask us to do it for you
[08:05] <Blacken> intelikey: How very un-Ubuntu of you. I'm surprised you aren't being chided for that attitude.
[08:05] <intelikey> Blacken i guess good help is hard to get these days
[08:06] <Blacken> I'm serious. Any suggestion from me to anyone along the lines of ST*W/RT*M (insert favorite letter there) has always gotten me snapped at.
[08:06] <Blacken> Interesting.
[08:07] <Jucato> draik: dropped to 1hour now...
[08:07] <intelikey> Jucato what are you timming ?
[08:08] <Jucato> intelikey: dist-upgrading to edgy from a very fresh Dapper install
[08:08] <Carbon_Monoxide> good day, Jucato!
[08:08] <intelikey> oh kay.    no edgy iso ?
[08:09] <intelikey> or you prefer upgrading?   i'm at a loss...
[08:09] <Jucato> intelikey: the only edgy CD I had (knot 3) decided to fsck up on me today
[08:10] <intelikey> oh ok. but i still don't see how dl'ing the updates is any better than dl'ing the iso    are you out of disk media?
[08:11] <Jucato> intelikey: er.. yeah that too :P
[08:11] <intelikey> alright now you make sense again... :)
[08:12] <Jucato> intelikey: hehe. sorry my brain was on hibernate it seems :)
[08:13] <intelikey> oh if i had been paying attention i might have been able to deduce all that but the lazy way of just asking was plan A.
[08:13] <Jucato> yeah... feeling pretty lazy here too... just rained. so the atmosphere is quite.. um... *yawn*
[08:14] <intelikey> did the guy i was helping with a dpkg error get all streightened out.    i didn't mean to blast off like that but work seems to trump helping in here..
[08:15] <intelikey> Jucato i'm with ya on the 'just rained'  :)
[08:15] <Jucato> heheh
[08:16] <draik> LOL
[08:16] <draik> <-- Carbon_Monoxide has left this server
[08:16] <draik> Well that's good to know
[08:16] <intelikey> there's an invisable ? after part one of that ^^
[08:16] <|Skull|> hey guys, a little annoyance I've found and was wondering if I could fix, is when using tab completion on a symlink folder, it does not automatically put the trailing slash after the folder name... is there anyway to make it do this?
[08:18] <flaccid_> don't think so
[08:18] <|Skull|> for example, I have a symlink /etc/httpd that points to /usr/local/apache... (just because this is how it's setup on 90% of the servers I work on, so It's habbit to look in /etc/httpd) but when I type /etc/htt<tab> it puts just /etc/httpd wihtout the trailing slash
[08:18] <flaccid_> |Skull|: ask in #bash
[08:18] <|Skull|> ok will do.. thx
[08:18] <intelikey> |Skull| it's not supposed to.   i'm not sure about an easy way to over ride that but symlinks are files, it's supposed to treat them as such.
[08:18] <whiz2> caseyomah left... and I missed it
[08:19] <intelikey> |Skull| probably editing /etc/bash_completion and enabling it...
[08:20] <Blacken> Ah, much better. SMP and direct rendering.
[08:20] <|Skull|> I'll check in there and see what I can find...
[08:21] <whiz2> I can't login to hotmail... grrrr
[08:21] <Jucato> whiz2: using Konqueror?
[08:21] <whiz2> Yes
[08:21] <Jucato> whiz2: double check if cookies are enabled for the microsoft sites
[08:21] <kraut> moin
[08:21] <intelikey> kraut
[08:22] <kraut> intelikey
[08:26] <whiz2> I think it was rejecting some of them, but I deleted the entire list of accepted/rejected cookies, and that seems to have fixed it
[08:26] <Jucato> :)
[08:26] <|Skull|> oh man.. what a stupidily easy fix.....
[08:27] <|Skull|> add set mark-symlinked-directories on to .inputrc in your home dir
[08:27] <intelikey> whiz2 yeah snotmail requires accepting cookies from at least two servers and probably three
[08:27] <whiz2> 3
[08:28] <intelikey> |Skull| then /etc/inputrc for system wide
[08:29] <|Skull|> heh yep, just thought of that after I wrote that... it's now in the global cfg
[08:29] <whiz2> I wonder if the shared printer on my other linux computer would work if I tried to install it to this one... I know it doesn't work when I ry to install it into windows over the network...
[08:29] <whiz2> but this is different... they are both running kubuntu
[08:31] <chupa> hi 2 all
[08:32] <intelikey> wow, way cool.   check this error tty2 [greg@~]  su - greg -- bash
[08:32] <intelikey> Password:
[08:32] <intelikey> su: Authentication failure
[08:32] <intelikey> Sorry.
[08:33] <intelikey> password is null     i can login with no password  but can't su without one.
[08:33] <intelikey> even to self.
[08:34] <intelikey> i'm constantly learning new things that won't work with no suid on the system.... :)
[08:35] <whiz2> interesting... Kubuntu is loading the printer drivers... I wonder if it will work correctly...
[08:36] <whiz2> If this works, I'm gonna be kinda upset...
[08:36] <intelikey> why ?
[08:36] <Ash-Fox> !edgy
[08:36] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:36] <Ash-Fox> !upgrade
[08:36] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:38] <whiz2> intelikey: the only reason I will be upset if this works is because that would mean it's working from linux to linux, but not windows to linux...
[08:38] <intelikey> again i ask "why would that upset you?"
[08:39] <intelikey> maybe i should let that rest.
[08:41] <whiz2> because I need it to be accessed by Windows
[08:42] <intelikey> well did it work ?
[08:42] <whiz2> funny how it's showing up in the job qeue for the printer, but the printer is not printing anything
[08:42] <intelikey> printer paused ?
[08:42] <whiz2> status is "Processing..."
[08:42] <whiz2> lemme check...
[08:43] <whiz2> nope... lemme try again, cuz the job vanished
[08:43] <Ash-Fox> Edgy should be out tomorow right? -- and if I upgrade now -- would that mean I have to redownload things tomorow?
[08:44] <intelikey> Ash-Fox there may be updates yes.  but not the whole system
[08:44] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, I'll just update today so I won't saturate the mirrors tomorow :P
[08:45] <intelikey> ash-fox ok and a simple  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        tomarrow will bring you up to speed.
[08:45] <seishinbyou> Sometimes, filtering out resumes for developer positions is easier than shooting fish in a barrel...it is as easy as looking at fish in a barrel
[08:46] <Jucato> how about looking for a needle in a hay stack?
[08:46] <whiz2> I have an idea... anyone know where Linux stores it's printer drivers once a printer is installed?
[08:46] <seishinbyou> "9 years experience developing on Win XP Pro"
[08:46] <seishinbyou> "20+ years HTML experience"
[08:46] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, he must of discovered osx's time machine
[08:46] <seishinbyou> It's as easy as being somewhere near a barrel
[08:46] <intelikey> how about looking for the hey stack that contains the needle
[08:47] <seishinbyou> neither did the rest of the real world, I guess
[08:47] <intelikey> seishinbyou you gota hire that kid....
[08:47] <Jucato> lol
[08:47] <seishinbyou> I'm more interested in overclocker 1337 dood
[08:47] <Ash-Fox> I've seen ads that requested six years experience with windows 2003
[08:47] <Jucato> he must be, what, 19 years old?
[08:47] <Jucato> :P
[08:47] <Jucato> lol
[08:47] <seishinbyou> The guy puts extensive overclocking guides *in his resume*
[08:48] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, does he play counterstike?
[08:48] <whiz2> I could use instructions on overclocking my PC... maybe I should get in touch with him lol
[08:48] <seishinbyou> What is going to happen is that we'd give him $500 and he'd build a PC that blew everything in the office away
[08:49] <whiz2> lol
 he must be, what, 19 years old? <00   <seishinbyou> "20+ years HTML experience"  <---- ah prolly more like 12.
[08:49] <whiz2> lol
[08:49] <DarthShrine> intelikey: z0mfgz0r! Don't pay out 12 year olds!
[08:49] <Jucato> lol
[08:49] <seishinbyou> Oh, that guy (20+ years HTML) was  a grad student of all things, in "Business tech"
[08:50] <seishinbyou> I weep for the future
[08:50] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, don't take life seriously, you'll never live through it.
[08:51] <draik> wiki?
[08:51] <Ash-Fox> Didn't gopher support HTML at one point?
[08:51] <whiz2> brb
[08:52] <intelikey> Ash-Fox idk
[08:52] <intelikey> but 1986 seems pre html  to my recallection
[08:53] <Jucato> maybe he was involved in *the* development of HTML with Tim Berners Lee. :P
[08:54] <intelikey> when ?
[08:54] <Jucato> (did I even get the name right?)
[08:54] <Jucato> dunno. ask the applicant lol
[08:54] <Jucato> er sorry wrong topic :P
[08:54] <intelikey> lol
[08:54] <Jucato> can't use the scroll mouse here )
[08:54] <intelikey> why not ?
[08:54] <Jucato> no X :)
[08:54] <intelikey> ah
[08:55] <Ash-Fox> 1076 upgraded, 153 newly installed, 24 to remove and 45 not upgraded. Need to get 916MB of archives. After unpacking 310MB of additional disk space will be used. <= Wee =)
[08:55] <intelikey> [page-up] 
[08:55] <intelikey> Jucato try  [page-up] 
[08:55] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah. but I'm so used to scrolling :)
[08:56] <intelikey> and why are you without X ?
[08:56] <draik> Geez, that kid sure seems like the winner
[08:56] <DarthShrine> Jucato: That is scrolling...
[08:56] <intelikey> you are like the kde guy in here....
[08:56] <Jucato> DarthShrine: with a scroll wheel I mean
[08:56] <seishinbyou> "Learning Hascal" <- Does he mean Haskell or am I thinking something else?
[08:57] <DarthShrine> Jucato: Ah... Scrolling with keys isn't hard...
[08:57] <intelikey> draik yeah my first post on that was "you gotta hire that kid."
[08:57] <Blacken[Zzz] > seishinbyou: It's the new fad. All the readability of Pascal with all the usability of Haskell!
[08:57] <Jucato> seishinbyou: the language named after George Hascal?
[08:57] <whiz2> I'm trying to configure the print server from System Settings: Printer, but it keeps asking me for a username/password... won't accept mine, and I dunno the one for root
[08:58] <draik> intelikey, I would hire him just for laughs.
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> They still teach pascal in the local unversity here
[08:58] <intelikey> draik don't give my boss any ideas.......  ;/
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> They have these brand new windows xp systems.. and they want you to run some dos IDE for pascal
[08:59] <seishinbyou> My 1st year uni programming course was in Pascal...that was in 95 though
[08:59] <Blacken[Zzz] > I'm a first-year university student. I'm stuck learning Scheme.
[08:59] <Ash-Fox> Of course they have weird bugs and the computers lock up randomly with the pascal installation.. but... ugh
[08:59] <seishinbyou> Choice of Borland Turbo Pascal or Think Pascal (Mac)
[08:59] <datoch> hi! howto upgrade from debian unstable to 6.10?
[08:59] <Blacken> datoch: Uh. Reformat and reinstall.
[08:59] <seishinbyou> Turbo Pascal, where changing comments causes code that should compile but doesn't to successfully compile
[09:00] <draik> intelikey, depends on who your boss is
[09:00] <datoch> Blacken: are you sure?
[09:00] <Blacken> datoch: Seeing as how Debian and Kubuntu are entirely different systems, yes.
[09:00] <draik> Jucato, %?
[09:00] <Jucato> draik: 70% :P
[09:01] <datoch> Blacken: just adding apt source and doing dist-upgrade wont help?
[09:01] <Blacken> datoch: I doubt it.
[09:01] <Blacken> datoch: The packages are entirely different.
[09:01] <Ash-Fox> datoch, trust me. It won't work, I've had the pleasent experience of trying sudo apt-get dist-upgrade myself from debian unstable with ubuntu repositories :P
[09:01] <Blacken> Scheme is a hideous language, though. It's painful. They want me to write an interactive fiction game in it...and they take points off for my code looking like C-code.
[09:01] <Blacken> You people who started with Pascal or even Java are lucky.
[09:01] <datoch> Blacken: ok, thanks
[09:02] <draik> seishinbyou, Does that applicant happen to have 10+ years of officeXP?
[09:02] <Ash-Fox> Blacken, I quit university over the pascal crap
[09:02] <datoch> Ash-Fox: ok
[09:02] <Ash-Fox> When you're in there five months, and most of your class mates can't grasp what a if statement is.
[09:02] <draik> Yes!!! It's past midnight here...
[09:02] <draik> finally
[09:02] <intelikey> draik 9+ of xp pro
[09:02] <Ash-Fox> Too much for me, seriously.
[09:02] <DarthShrine> Ash-Fox: O_o
[09:02] <Blacken> Pascal is cake, though.
[09:02] <Blacken> Scheme is a mindbender.
[09:02] <draik> that's the OS, what about the office suite intelikey?
[09:02] <seishinbyou> draik: No, but everyone and their brother is sure going out of their way to say *I CAN USE MS OFFICE*
[09:03] <Blacken> It's just...not...*right*!
[09:03] <intelikey> lol  @  *I CAN USE MS OFFICE*
[09:03] <Blacken> There are two types of programming zealots in classrooms: the object-oriented ones and the functional ones. Both are out of their trees, IMO.
[09:03] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, they can? Last time I tried to get people todo relatively simple operations like creating tables and such under word... It was dead near impossible to them
[09:03] <seishinbyou> I should write back *THAT'S NICE*
[09:04] <draik> in my experience from the past 7 months of unemployment, they ALL ask, "Can you use office? Word? Excel? Powerpoint? Access? Outlook?" I always found that funny since asking about office includes all those parts.
[09:04] <seishinbyou> Well, I'm remembering that in IT, at least here, Excel is the most popular application for word processing and presentations
[09:04] <Jucato> Excel is used for word processing?
[09:04] <draik> It's like asking, "Can you drive a manual transmission vehicle? 1st gear? 2nd gear? 3rd gear? 4th gear? 5th gear?"
[09:05] <seishinbyou> It's painful to watch presentations done all in Excel, where each tab is a new "slide"
[09:05] <Ash-Fox> draik, what I find funny is that in interviews, they will ask you if you've had more than three years experience with ms product 2005 or something
[09:05] <draik> Oh yes
[09:05] <draik> those are great
[09:05] <whiz2> Hmm... interesting...
[09:05] <seishinbyou> People use Excel for word processing because they can position things the way they like (read: wrong)
[09:05] <Jucato> O_O
[09:05] <Jucato> I just find that... um... amusing
[09:05] <seishinbyou> Throw formatting and positioning completely out the window
[09:05] <seishinbyou> Welcome to IT and documentation in Japan
[09:05] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, LaTeX.
[09:06] <intelikey> Jucato interesting isn't it
[09:06] <whiz2> Linux say that the printer's URL is ipp://localhost:631/printers/epson wonder how I can use that infomration to my advantage...
[09:06] <Jucato> intelikey: absolutely
[09:06] <draik> A lady was doing a phone interview with me and asked, "Can you name a few web browsers?" I named Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror, Lynx.. She said, "Ok, so you know the new one like firefox" She totally blanked on the others!
[09:06] <intelikey> i use echo for all my word processing
[09:07] <seishinbyou> vi works all right for me
[09:07] <DarthShrine> intelikey: z0mfg 1337
[09:07] <Jucato> Kate or nano
[09:07] <intelikey> i'm not that leet
[09:07] <whiz2> in windows, I use notepad... in Linux, I use kate
[09:07] <Ash-Fox> draik, what job was that for...?
[09:07] <draik> IT
[09:07] <intelikey> ed is over my head
[09:07] <draik> IT, help desk, desktop support
[09:07] <Jucato> lol
[09:07] <DarthShrine> intelikey: ed is *easy*
[09:07] <Jucato> draik: you don't know Epiphany? :P
[09:08] <draik> Epiphany I haven't used, but heard of
[09:08] <intelikey> sed maybe
[09:08] <draik> I was about to tell the lady Safari, but I wasn't sure if that's the Mac web browser or not... I used a mac once when I was looking at iPods, but that's it
[09:08] <Jucato> Safari, it is :)
[09:09] <Ash-Fox> Safari, Camino
[09:09] <whiz2> when the printer server asks you for a username/password, and defaults to root as the username... does root even HAVE a password?
[09:09] <Ash-Fox> !root
[09:09] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:09] <draik> The lady was also asking me to name 5 search engines... So I said, "Google, Froogle, Google Video, Google Images and Google Maps"
[09:09] <whiz2> this is not in a command line
[09:09] <intelikey> whiz2 not on default *buntu
[09:09] <Jucato> draik: err??
[09:10] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, sudo passwd sets a password
[09:10] <whiz2> thanks. that'll help a lot... I'll set one
[09:10] <draik> I knew I wasn't getting the job so I thought I'd make the most out of the "funeral"
[09:10] <Jucato> Google, Yahoo, AltaVista, MSN, (insert one more)
[09:10] <Jucato> draik: lol :)
[09:11] <draik> Another place asked me and I said "Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask, AOL"
[09:11] <intelikey> draik if you can't dazzel them with wit baffel them with bull *         no ?
[09:11] <whiz2> lol
[09:11] <draik> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you intelikey
[09:12] <Ash-Fox> One interview I was in: Him: So... You know computers? Me: Err, yes. Him: I seeeeeeee. *odd silence*
[09:12] <draik> LOL
[09:12] <Jucato> lol! my sister just called, asking me about OO.o. Apparently, a client of theirs sent a document in .odt format :)
[09:12] <Ash-Fox> He shook my hand and then told me to leave.
[09:13] <draik> WTF???
[09:13] <draik> why Ash-Fox?
[09:13] <intelikey> "programmer that know computer have very strange sex life"  -- computius
[09:13] <Jucato> offtopic "topic" of the day: Linux and Open Source in the office...
[09:13] <Ash-Fox> draik, I think he wanted someone older :P
[09:13] <draik> LOL @ intelikey
[09:13] <draik> ditto
[09:13] <draik> I am only 23
[09:14] <whiz2> Ash-Fox: guess I have to restart X for the password change to take full effect huh?
[09:14] <Jucato> presuming that older == wiser || more experienced...
[09:14] <draik> I got to interviews and they look at me like I'm lying about what I have on my resume
[09:14] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, no
[09:14] <whiz2> all the computer stuff on my resume is stuff I've taugh myself
[09:14] <intelikey> Jucato in some possions  older == more mature
[09:14] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, password changes are instant
[09:15] <whiz2> well when trying to configure the print server from within system settings/printers, it still denied it
[09:15] <Jucato> presuming... chrnological age != psychological age != emotional age != mental age
[09:15] <draik> at my last job, one guy that I liked for his computer skills killed it for me... he opened a running desktop and started to run his hand all over the place to remove dust bunnies.
[09:15] <Jucato> ok I know that wouldn't work in C :)
[09:16] <whiz2> draco: YIKES
[09:16] <draik> I really admired his input on some issues I was having with windows, but then he was doing that and just killed it for me
[09:16] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, one question.. Have you ever dealt with secretaries and their computers?
[09:16] <Ash-Fox> Oh drat
[09:16] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: no. why?
[09:16] <whiz2> draik: YIKES That's just stupid
[09:17] <Ash-Fox> I meant draik. Sorry about that Jucato
[09:17] <draco> whiz2: YIKES? :D
[09:17] <whiz2> draco: sorry wrong person
[09:17] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: ok... I thought I said something wrong :P
[09:17] <draco> oh k ;)
[09:17] <whiz2> lol
[09:17] <draik> Yes, I have
[09:17] <Jucato> lol lots of misdirected stuff
[09:17] <draik> Ash-Fox
[09:17] <draik> I hate that whole "weird" description
[09:18] <whiz2> draco: maybe you could help me... know anything about sharing printers from linux using Samba?
[09:18] <seishinbyou> Now, technical questions aside, I make sure there is little to no micromanagement before accepting a job, even if it does kill a few job offers
[09:18] <draik> LOL, 2 innocent bystandards are hit with comments going to me... LOL
[09:18] <whiz2> draik: yeah in my case, I didn't hit tab enough times lol
[09:19] <draik> LOL
[09:19] <Ash-Fox> seishinbyou, why don't you write the job advertisment in C++ or something? I heard that usually works well :P
[09:19] <intelikey> whiz2 did you get linux to linux to print ?
[09:19] <ubuntu> how would i do a fresh install from the internet?
[09:19] <whiz2> intelikey: No. it doesn't even show the job in the print qeue
[09:19] <seishinbyou> If I wanted to obfuscate it, I'd just rot13 it
[09:19] <lupine_85> ubuntu: netboot or debootstrap
[09:20] <Ash-Fox> ubuntu, I don't think there is a network insall cd for ubuntu distros
[09:20] <ubuntu> i would just type that in a prompt?
[09:20] <Ash-Fox> !netboot
[09:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:20] <Ash-Fox> I'm mistaken! *reads urls*
[09:20] <lupine_85> plenty of ways to do it :)
[09:21] <whiz2> ubuntu: I don't think you can do a fresh install from the internet, but you can download an ISO image, burn it to CD, then do a fresh install from that
[09:21] <lupine_85> any of the methods in the Debian install manual will work as well, with suitable modifications
[09:21] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: there's no netinstall CD. the Alternate Install CD acts as the netinstall :)
[09:21] <draik>  seishinbyou, any other oddities in resumes?
[09:21] <Ash-Fox> lupine_85, I knew how todo it manually, but this could be very useful for when I'm helping other people and I don't have the time to mess with chroot and so on :P
[09:21] <seishinbyou> Well, one guy held a job with the title "Evil Death Ray"
[09:21] <intelikey> whiz2 did you read the links ^ ?
[09:21] <seishinbyou> Turns out that means Testing/QA
[09:21] <draik> LOL
[09:22] <whiz2> intelikey: I didn't click on them
[09:22] <lupine_85> Ash-Fox: you could always port ubiquity to Windows ;)
[09:22] <draik> seishinbyou: Have you ever read the resume of a kid applying to McDonald's?
[09:22] <seishinbyou> I think I remember that one
[09:22] <whiz2> draik: I've written a resume as a kid applying for McDonald's lol
[09:22] <seishinbyou> That sort of resume wouldn't get far here, though
[09:23] <draik> I've submitted resumes to various places under the name of various friends
[09:23] <draik> I like to keep them on their toes
[09:23] <whiz2> I neglected to mention to them my computer knowledge tho. :-p
[09:23] <seishinbyou> Worst mistake I ever made was applying to a pizza parlour when I was 14, not knowing how to answer the questions
[09:23] <seishinbyou> "How long do you plan to work here?"
[09:23] <whiz2> lol
[09:23] <seishinbyou> "Until I find a real job"
[09:23] <seishinbyou> whoops
[09:23] <whiz2> lol
[09:23] <draik> LOL
[09:24] <draik> LMFAO
[09:24] <Jucato> roflmao
[09:24] <whiz2> That's just too funny
[09:24] <draik> I never really know how to answer that "future" question
[09:24] <whiz2> "However long it takes"
[09:24] <whiz2> lol
[09:24] <seishinbyou> Well, at the time, I equated part-time work with "temp work", and anything full-time as a real "job"
[09:24] <draik> To anybody who has seen Family Guy ...
[09:24] <seishinbyou> Boy, that didn't go over well...
[09:25] <whiz2> seishinbyou: I guess not lol
[09:25] <draik> Don't say screwing your wife, don't say screwing your wife, don't say screwing your wife... "Ummm... in bed with your... boy?"
[09:25] <whiz2> ROFL
[09:25] <whiz2> I saw that episode!
[09:26] <draik> whiz2, YEAH! As he looks at the employer's picture of his wife and son
[09:26] <seishinbyou> Hmm, if Family Guy is available on tap (torrent) I'll have to try and get a full episode sometime (not shown here)
[09:26] <draik> You should
[09:26] <whiz2> lol yup!
[09:26] <intelikey> whiz2      * Installation/LowMemorySystems - Install Ubuntu on older computers with
[09:26] <whiz2> Family Guy is an excellent show
[09:26] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[09:26] <draik> There is also another episode where the one that gets the promotion is Soundwave from the original Transformers (also out 7/4/7 in theaters)
[09:27] <draik> Ash-Fox, I was too
[09:27] <whiz2> Ash-Fox: they can't do that. It's illegal
[09:27] <draik> or maybe christian
[09:27] <draik> I can't recall
[09:27] <draik> But then again my place was at a University
[09:27] <Ash-Fox> whiz2, I live in Poland, not the US :P
[09:27] <whiz2> Ash-Fox:  oh ok then I guess they can lol
[09:28] <draik> and on the last page, it asks you to sign that if you ever feel like you are losing faith, you will turn to a councelor for help.
[09:28] <Ash-Fox> They can't, but it's acceptable for some reason
[09:28] <draik> REJECTED!!!
[09:29] <Dannilion> Hello
[09:29] <Ash-Fox> Hello Dannilion
[09:29] <Ash-Fox> Get in the car, it's a lion.
[09:29] <Dannilion> Where do I find what the permissions are for a usb stick on mount?
[09:29] <draik> LOL
[09:29] <whiz2> intelikey: I'm not trying to install Linux from a network, or internet
[09:29] <intelikey> i didn't say you were
[09:30] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, hm, honestly I don't know :/
[09:30] <whiz2> intelikey: you sent me links explaining how to do it
[09:30] <draik> I was escorted once from an interview when I said that I believe in minor piracy... I forgot that I was applying for a QA position for music/movies... WHOOPSIE!
[09:31] <whiz2> LOL
[09:31] <Dannilion> OK, I have this problem- I don't have write access to my usb stick, and whenever I try to get it as either user or root it doesn't work
[09:31] <intelikey> whiz2 cause you said "<whiz2> ubuntu: I don't think you can do a fresh install from the internet, but you can download an ISO image, burn it to CD, then do a fresh install from that"     that's why i sent you the link,
[09:31] <draik> doesn't        ls -a           show you everything about the device once inside the /media directory?
[09:32] <Dannilion> forgot that one- I'll check it
[09:32] <whiz2> intelikey: That doesn't qualify as being done from the internet... but it does qualify as being done over a network. :-p
[09:32] <intelikey> Dannilion what fs ?
[09:32] <Dannilion> fat32
[09:32] <intelikey> Dannilion mount it with  -o umask=0
[09:33] <Dannilion> can you remind me how to unmount and remount it please?
[09:33] <intelikey> umount blah
[09:33] <intelikey> sudo umount blah
[09:33] <Ash-Fox> mount /dev/sda /media/usb-folder
[09:33] <Ash-Fox> *** mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb-folder
[09:33] <intelikey> with the -o
[09:34] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, you shouln't need it. At least I haven't.
[09:34] <whiz2> brb
[09:34] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/sda /media/usb -o umask=0
[09:34] <draik> My USB automatically opens up a folder for me
[09:34] <Ash-Fox> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o umask=0
[09:34] <Dannilion> so does mine
[09:35] <draik> I've yet to have an issue with USB drives
[09:35] <intelikey> Ash-Fox  he said no write access.  thus he needs it
[09:35] <draik> well, travel drives anyway
[09:35] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, needs to be /dev/sda1 though
[09:35] <intelikey> assuming a partition...
[09:36] <intelikey> you don't need a partition to have an fs
[09:36] <Ash-Fox> My usb keys always worked that way.
[09:36] <draik> I have a Sony 256MB, Memorex 1GB and a 512MB MP3 player from ZEN and I don't have any issues with reading/writing
[09:36] <Dannilion> still doesn't have write access
[09:36] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, didn't know =)
[09:36] <Dannilion> And yes, I did check the lock key on it :P
[09:37] <intelikey> Dannilion show us the line that addresses that device from     mount
[09:37] <Ash-Fox> uh, Dannilion, try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,users (for write access)
[09:37] <Ash-Fox> You will need to unmount it first obviously.
[09:38] <Dannilion> intelikey, how do I do that?
[09:38] <intelikey> typing the mount command with no args. displays the content of /etc/mtab
[09:38] <Dannilion> ok
[09:38] <intelikey> mount
[09:38] <Dannilion>  /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,umask=0)
[09:38] <Ash-Fox> (and root will only have read write access to that)
[09:39] <nikon> everytime i run Gobby i get "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root" what do i do
[09:39] <intelikey> that should be writable
[09:39] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, as root only though
[09:39] <intelikey> no as world
[09:40] <Dannilion> I'm still trying to copy as root though :P
[09:40] <Dannilion> and it still doesn't work
[09:40] <intelikey> umask=077 would be root only.    umask=0  should ==  umask=000
[09:40] <Dannilion> I think it might be the device
[09:40] <intelikey> which is world wrx
[09:41] <nikon> everytime i run Gobby i get "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root" what do i do
[09:41] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, ls -ll /media/usbdisk
[09:42] <intelikey> you thinking mountpoint access ?
[09:42] <Ash-Fox> Just need to show us one line from that.
[09:42] <Dannilion> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3619220 2006-09-22 13:58 wierd al yankovich - Weird Al Trigger Happy.mp3
[09:42] <Ash-Fox> See, it isn't world writable.
[09:43] <whiz2> Any idea how I can add KDE Control Center to my K button/menu?
[09:43] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, umount it, and try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -o uid=0,gid=0,rw,users
[09:43] <Jucato> whiz2: right-click on the K Menu, select Edit Menu, then add it?
[09:43] <Dannilion> ok
[09:43] <Jucato> whiz2: the app name is "kcontrol"
[09:44] <Dannilion> done, ls -ll /media/usbdisk still comes up with the same as above
[09:44] <Dannilion> I think it's the device now
[09:45] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, I don't think so
[09:45] <Ash-Fox> Dannilion, can you do a 'sudo touch /media/usbdisk/blah'
[09:46] <Ash-Fox> (Shouldn't display anything if it succeeds)
[09:46] <Dannilion> touch: cannot touch `/media/usbdisk/blah': No space left on device
[09:46] <Dannilion> That's interesting- there's plenty of space
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> Yeah, it's been locked somehow.
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> It should of been mounted as read/write, root can write no matter what to a read/write partition.
[09:47] <intelikey> Ash-Fox it works here.  /dev/hda1 on /etc/dhcp/bin type vfat (rw,umask=0)   <-> ls -l bin/config.sys    -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root     846 Sep 18 18:53 config.sys
[09:47] <whiz2> Jucato: thank you
[09:48] <Jucato> whiz2: no problem :)
[09:48] <Dannilion> Looking online, looks like I'm not the only one with this problem (though those with this complaint are using Windows)
[09:49] <intelikey> i'm thinking one more stab Dannilion   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/usb    just to make sure it's not still a mask issue.
[09:49] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, I stand corrected then
[09:49] <Dannilion> okay
[09:50] <intelikey> Ash-Fox we could both be right
[09:50] <Ash-Fox> Root should of been able to 'touch' there, despite any masks.
[09:50] <intelikey> yes
[09:50] <intelikey> i agree
[09:50] <Dannilion> mount: can't find /media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:51] <intelikey> add the device name
[09:51] <Dannilion> usbdisk?
[09:51] <intelikey>  sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk
[09:51] <Dannilion> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:52] <intelikey> is it usb or usbdisk or usb-disk ???
[09:52] <Dannilion> usbdisk
 /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,umask=0)
 mount: can't find /media/usb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:53] <intelikey> what's the permissions now Dannilion ?
[09:53] <Dannilion> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:54] <cox377> has anyone installed firefox2?
[09:54] <whiz2> KDE help center is not u to date about KDE Control center
[09:55] <cox377> !firefox
[09:55] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:56] <intelikey> Ash-Fox we have Dannilion so confussed now that he copied and pasted your repost of his mount output...
[09:56] <Dannilion> yup
[09:56] <petter_> yo
[09:56] <Jucato> whiz2: some of the docs aren't really up to date. It's not KHelpCenter's fault, though :)
[09:56] <Dannilion> and I'm female
[09:56] <Jucato> she
[09:56] <intelikey> i'll go away and let you sort it out if you like.
[09:57] <Jucato> hi Dannilion :)
[09:57] <Dannilion> Hey Jucato
[09:57] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, on the phone right now :/
[09:57] <intelikey> or if not i'll try too just say which.
[09:57] <Dannilion> The last one intelikey posted resulted in the error mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:58] <Jucato> whiz2: we all are :)
[09:58] <whiz2> Now if they could just make sharing printers through Samba easier, then I might be able to figure it out, and make it work
[09:58] <Jucato> lol... sounds a lot like Hobbse's long pointy stick :)
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> you should really umount it before you remove it
[09:59] <intelikey> Dannilion this was the working command.      sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/usbdisk      but a test on another boxen is good.
[10:00] <intelikey> och shnill
[10:01] <Dannilion> same problem on Windows machine
[10:01] <Jucato> so it's the USB that's at fault
[10:01] <Jucato> ?
[10:01] <intelikey> Dannilion now you know.  not the mount it's the media
[10:01] <Dannilion> Yup
[10:01] <Dannilion> So I get to take it back to Argos :P
[10:02] <Dannilion> I've only had it a couple of weeks
[10:02] <intelikey> anyway remember the umask=  for future use.
[10:02] <Dannilion> I will :)
[10:02] <Jucato> well at least you could still return it :)
[10:02] <Dannilion> yup
[10:03] <Dannilion> I also took out insurance on it, so I've can claim on that
[10:03] <Jucato> O_o
[10:03] <Ash-Fox> !firefox
[10:03] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[10:03] <intelikey> me too o.O
[10:04] <Dannilion> Though this time I don't think I've broken it
[10:04] <seishinbyou> "Wrote documentation on how to use Mac OS X for Windows users" <- found on resume
[10:04] <Jucato> O_O
[10:05] <Jucato> seishinbyou: you really get the strange ones, don't you? :)
[10:05] <seishinbyou> Oh, many of these are boring, but a few have gems of info in them
[10:05] <intelikey> seishinbyou what is this for i may what to apply  :)
[10:05] <seishinbyou> Jobs here.  We are short staffed
[10:06] <intelikey> here ?
[10:06] <seishinbyou> Here being Invio (www.invio.co.jp)
[10:06] <Jucato> intelikey: Japan :)
[10:06] <intelikey> invio.co  k
[10:06] <Jucato> one of my favorite countries...
[10:06] <seishinbyou> The name has changed a few times over that past... year
[10:07] <intelikey> Jucato i'm afried it would be a conflict of intrests anyway.  my contract doesn't allow me to hold another job
[10:08] <Jucato> aw :(
[10:08] <Jucato> intelikey: never got around to asking you where you're from
[10:08] <seishinbyou> The office is really close to Akihabara, a geek paradise
[10:08] <intelikey> well the isp says texas but i'm not in texas.   but that's close enough
[10:09] <Jucato> ah :)
[10:09] <Jucato> hm...
[10:09] <intelikey> we'll just say one of the surounding states and leave it at that.
[10:10] <Jucato> (sorry about this but...) USA maps remind me of a jigsaw puzzle...
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, I agree with you :P
[10:10] <seishinbyou> Louisiana is shaped like an "L" :p
[10:10] <intelikey> yeah   but the country is big. they had to split it up some how
[10:10] <Jucato> yeah... but with straight lines....
[10:11] <intelikey> no there are rivers and mountians in the way
[10:11] <Ash-Fox> Sometimes the pieces don't fit, so you need a communist hammer
[10:11] <Jucato> I mean the.. er.. do you call them borders?
[10:12] <Jucato> well, at least how they look on a map
[10:12] <Jucato> anyway... offtopic again hehehe
[10:12] <intelikey> "start line"  is the term  and it's kinda like lots of little countries inside one big one.
[10:13] <Jucato> yay 4% to go
[10:13] <Jucato> almost forgot how long upgrading felt like :)
[10:13] <intelikey> :)
[10:13] <Dannilion> I can barely remember where all the counties in Europe are, nevermind where the US states are
[10:13] <intelikey> try it on dialup :)
[10:13] <Jucato> lol
[10:13] <seishinbyou> At least it isn't measured in Microsoft minutes (tm)
[10:14] <Jucato> I wouldn't have tried Ubuntu/Kubuntu if I were totally on dial-up... (sorry to say)
[10:14] <arkygeek> Jucato: kumusta ka?
[10:14] <seishinbyou> Dial-up is but a distant memory for me :(
[10:14] <Jucato> seishinbyou: same here... almost :)
[10:15] <Dannilion> I'm going to be putting 2 computers on Dialup onto Kubuntu
[10:15] <Jucato> arkygeek: err.. ok lang ako
[10:15] <arkygeek> Jucato: oh......
[10:15] <Jucato> Dannilion: if you have one that is not on dial up, that would be ok, I guess
[10:15] <Jazon> ;-)
[10:15] <Jucato> Jazon: aah hehe :)
[10:15] <seishinbyou> I could go dialup I guess, but that is more expensive than optical
[10:15] <Jucato> expensive and impractical
[10:16] <intelikey> Dannilion dsl dialup ?
[10:16] <Dannilion> Mine is on broadband, but the two computers are on dialup
[10:16] <Dannilion> They're in a church
[10:16] <seishinbyou> Mind you, ADSL is more expensive than optical here now, anyways :/
[10:16] <Jucato> Jazon: ouch....
[10:17] <seishinbyou> did you keep your old xorg.conf file?
[10:17] <intelikey> !xorg
[10:17] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:18] <Jucato> almost done...
[10:18] <Jazon> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[10:18] <intelikey> "To restart your X"    hehhe    oh that doesnt say ex   my bad.
[10:19] <Jazon> (EE) failed to load module i810 (module requirement mismatch, 0)
[10:19] <Jucato> lol
[10:19] <intelikey> Jazon nvidia ?
[10:19] <Jazon> intel i915
[10:19] <livingdaylight> does Gimp not come with Kubuntu by default?
[10:19] <Jucato> livingdaylight: no.
[10:19] <Jucato> it has Krita instead
[10:20] <livingdaylight> wtf is krita?
[10:20] <Jucato> !krita
[10:20] <livingdaylight> what kind of kritter is krita?
[10:20] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 2516 kB, installed size 7976 kB
[10:21] <Ash-Fox> Krita is self-aware.
[10:21] <intelikey> is krita the command ?    i have kde but no krita
[10:21] <livingdaylight> looks like an incomplete hackers part-time hobby went to town on it
[10:21] <Jazon> heh
[10:21] <Jucato> intelikey: it's not installed by default on kde if you don't have koffice installed
[10:21] <intelikey> k
[10:21] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you've tried it?
[10:22] <intelikey> so it's part of koffice then, not part of kde.  and kubuntu includes koffice ?
[10:22] <Jazon> but my wife insists on running aps6 under wine
[10:22] <livingdaylight> Jucato: just looking at the interface now for the first time - looks primitive
[10:23] <livingdaylight> Jucato: or is it just lack of polish?
[10:23] <Jucato> livingdaylight: why not try it out first
[10:23] <livingdaylight> anyone here use gimpshop?
[10:23] <Ash-Fox> kubuntu-desktop's meta package doesn't have koffice by default... but it's in the repositories...
[10:23] <Jazon> any ideas on how i might proceed from this point on my display driver issue?  I miss X
[10:23] <seishinbyou> Paint Shop Pro 4 Shareware version through Wine ftw
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: no. Kubuntu doesn't have koffice by default.
[10:23] <livingdaylight> Jucato: one gets used to one thing or another, isn't it?
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: I meant that krita is a koffice project
[10:24] <Jazon> livingdaylight: yes, it is just a rearrangement of menus and stuff.  still the same old gimp.
[10:24] <Jucato> livingdaylight: then install GIMP. easy as that
[10:24] <Ash-Fox> Jazon, not exactly. There are some things apparently unique to krita too that the gimp does not have
[10:25] <Jazon> livingdaylight: i found it a pita to use because everytime i wanted help (either from the web or irc) all the answers were for gimp, and not gimpshop
[10:25] <intelikey> ok all that got me confuz    i'll urpmi koffice and see if krita comes with it or not.
[10:25] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I'm just saying that you should give it a try before you go on making statements like it being an incomplete hacker's part-time hobby etc etc
[10:25] <Jazon> Ash-Fox: i was talking about gimp vs gimpshop
[10:25] <Ash-Fox> Jazon, sorry. dyslexia + tiredness is a bad combo :)
[10:25] <Jazon> lol
[10:25] <livingdaylight> Jucato: hehe...forgive me, please  :)  i was just being an ass.
[10:25] <Jazon> np Ash-Fox
[10:26] <livingdaylight> Jucato: woke up this morning in a provocative mood, hehe....
[10:26] <Jucato> apparently...
[10:26] <livingdaylight> thx, Jazon...
[10:26] <intelikey> ok the answer is   "yes krita is part of the koffice dependancies"
[10:26] <Jazon> i tried:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  >> same thing...
[10:27] <Jazon> livingdaylight: np
[10:27] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i need to know that you've forgiven me, please? i can't bear it otherwise....
[10:28] <Jucato> livingdaylight: there's nothing to forgive :P
[10:28] <Jazon> livingdaylight: gimp is really good.  awkward at first if you are coming from aps, but once you get over the hump, its really good. (kind of like linux in general from windoze)  .... imho
[10:28] <livingdaylight>  :D
[10:29] <intelikey> Jazon yes you have a mismatched version  /boot/abi*  most likely didn't upgrade.     sudo apt-get dist-upgrade       see if it gives a green light or no ?
[10:29] <intelikey> boot the the new kernel
[10:29] <Jazon> everything passes with further d-u attempts
[10:29] <Jazon> intelikey: i have been
[10:29] <Jazon> should i try the old one?
[10:29] <Jazon> heh - guess thats an obvious thing to try that i havent yet.. :s
[10:30] <intelikey> yes the old one will probably work
[10:30] <Jazon> brb - will give a try
[10:30] <intelikey> but that doesn't fix the error.
[10:31] <livingdaylight> Jazon: precisely. And having got over the hump to find that there was an altogether differnt application again to come to grips with... I just thought why not all get together consolidate and make ONE great application instead of so many projects out there as there are.
[10:31] <intelikey> livingdaylight -:- SignOff Jazon: #kubuntu ("WeeChat 0.1.9")
[10:31] <livingdaylight> intelikey: lol, i just noticed
[10:32] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you don't have to use that other app. you can just settle on GIMP if you want
[10:32] <arkygeek> that didnt work :(
[10:33] <intelikey> arkygeek =? jazon
[10:33] <Jucato> livingdaylight: also, that same question has been asked regarding different distros, different desktops, different apps in the open source world
[10:33] <Jucato> intelikey: yep yep...
[10:34] <livingdaylight> Jucato: no, i'm in kubuntu so i want to see how folks do things over in kde land. Besides krita sounds like an amalgamtion of gimp anyway, plus it has nice documentation so, i'm gonna give krita a go and see why they have opted for krita over gimp in kubuntu
[10:35] <intelikey> livingdaylight in a word, diversity.
[10:35] <Jucato> livingdaylight: well I can tell you one reason: they wanted an app that would sit well in KDE and use the features that KDE has. there are other reasons, too. but I'm not familia with them
[10:35] <arkygeek> so any ideas guys?
[10:35] <livingdaylight> Jucato: thats right and i think it is a good question. Linux is all about freedom and choice in every sense. There are pros and cons of course. Sometimes i do feel there is too much diversity and not enough integration and consolidation of resources to make one absolute killer desktop or distro or Gimp or whatever....
[10:36] <livingdaylight> intelikey: diversity, lol, the word i found also.
[10:36] <Jucato> livingdaylight: it's because we don't need "one" killer desktop or "one" killer distro, or "one" killer app. that's just not the way the Free/Open Source Software world works.
[10:36] <arkygeek> livingdaylight: i disagree.... i think that the diversity is the strength!  think about it... the code is all open source...
[10:37] <cpk2> you just need the "killer" code =P
[10:37] <Jucato> besides, it's not like *all* these distros are competing with one another, and not all apps survive that long
[10:38] <arkygeek> so i should prob reboot back to 2.6.17 i guess hey?
[10:38] <Jucato> some are just made for a specific audience
[10:38] <seishinbyou> heretix linux is for the insane
[10:38] <livingdaylight> Well, as long as the applications all get stronger and stronger by community development over time. Otherwise too much diversity = weak applications that don't compete with the mac and windows world which further = slower uptake of lInux
[10:39] <livingdaylight> arkygeek: how about a balance of diversity plus consolidation and focus
[10:39] <Jucato> livingdaylight: = projects like FreeDesktop.org
[10:40] <intelikey> arkygeek i'm not sure what to tell ya. so i'll be quiet.
[10:40] <dude> livingdaylight: how's ur beryl?
[10:40] <livingdaylight> rather than half half a dozen harf arsed applications, none of which stand up to a commercial endeavor why not focus all the energies and be competitive, that will get others out there recongnizing LInux as a true viable alternative in a business and productive sense - not just a hobby-ist one
[10:40] <livingdaylight> dude: how is yours?
[10:41] <livingdaylight> dude: have you mustered the courage to install it yet?
[10:41] <dude> livingdaylight: no beryl yet, still waiting for the alpha release
[10:41] <Jucato> maybe because their goal is really not to "stand up to a commercial endeavor"
[10:41] <xsacha> which alpha release?
[10:41] <whiz2> I just installed firefox on KDE. How do I make it my default web browser?
[10:41] <Teh_Roxor> Does anyone know how to get the burning effect for beryl?
[10:42] <dude> i don't if it's alpha or what
[10:42] <xsacha> the plugin Teh_Roxor
[10:42] <Teh_Roxor> Where can I find that?
[10:42] <dude> livingdaylight: still afraid
[10:44] <intelikey> livingdaylight because if every opensourse codeer worked on one project it would be larger than the kernel + gnome + kde + e17    and. M$ would have it in cort so fast your head would swim.
[10:44] <xsacha> Edit->Preferences->Check Now whiz2
[10:44] <livingdaylight> Jucato: well that is a shame, and i don't believe that is actually anyones aim - not to stand up to commercial enterprises - quite the contrary. And even if that is true what you say, then it is a pity on another front; certainly we can't moan about the fact that 3rd parties and hardware vendors don't figure LInux in the equation
[10:44] <livingdaylight> dude: be a dude and not a wimp - feel the fear and do it anyways... :p
[10:44] <intelikey> M$ already tried to paten !=   i mean come on.
[10:44] <xsacha> beryl may be in alpha but it's very stable.. just a few problems with tv-out and very specific about what it needs as well as shaky driver support
[10:44] <whiz2> xsacha: that setting did absolutely nothing
[10:45] <Teh_Roxor> Beryl is very nice, no crashes for me so far.
[10:46] <Teh_Roxor> I need a better video card though
[10:46] <Teh_Roxor> The water effects don't work so well
[10:46] <xsacha> what video card?
[10:47] <xsacha> yeah water effects not working well here and Blur Effects locks up my screen (absolutely no blur appears too)
[10:47] <xsacha> have to hit esc and disable blur
[10:47] <intelikey> what is beryl ?
[10:47] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Linux has, is, and will, evolve in a different way from other OS. While Microsoft or Apple has "evolved" by monopoly ("one app, one desktop, one OS" to rule them all), Linux, by it's very nature evolves through diversity and freedom.
[10:48] <xsacha> !beryl
[10:48] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[10:48] <intelikey> oh eye candy
[10:48] <xsacha> yeah
[10:48] <xsacha> you can make it productive if you want as well.. it's an opengl desktop...
[10:49] <Teh_Roxor> Blur works well for me, but water effects are REALLY slow
[10:49] <whiz2> no one knows how to change the filetype associations for websites, so they open with a different browser? Edit->Preferences->check now doesn't do anything at all.
[10:49] <Teh_Roxor> I have an old nVidia
[10:49] <xsacha> i wonder what i am missing that makes blur fail
[10:49] <Jazon> :D  figured it out.
[10:50] <xsacha> go to System Settings->Default Applications whiz2
[10:50] <intelikey> whiz2 in xfce i'd say set the prefered application.  but i haven't seen kde for a while.
[10:50] <Teh_Roxor> Actually whiz2, I have no idea... I always have used Konqueror
[10:50] <xsacha> Web Browser is last one in list
[10:50] <Jazon> i had to apt-get remove xserver-xorg-drivers-i810  >>  apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810
[10:50] <Jazon> wierd hey?
[10:50] <livingdaylight> dude: be a dude and not a wimp - feel the fear and do it anyways... :p
[10:51] <intelikey> accually i haven't seen xfce for a while either now.   twm  i little tho.
[10:51] <xsacha> i've seen xfce+beryl -- it's nice.. :D
[10:51] <xsacha> whiz2: did that work for you?
[10:52] <whiz2> It's not there
[10:52] <whiz2> Default Applications is not in System settings
[10:52] <xsacha> it's in top row, Default Applications
[10:52] <xsacha> what version of KDE?
[10:52] <whiz2> however default applications IS in KDE Components.
[10:53] <intelikey> xfce + beryl....  hmmm almost sounds like running kicker inside of xfce
[10:53] <intelikey> turns it into something it's not
[10:53] <xsacha> ok, im using KDE 3.5.5 which has a different layout
[10:53] <livingdaylight> Jucato: lol, "one OS to rule them all" nice refernce to Lord of the Rings. Yea, i shall continueto prefer LInux too  :p
[10:53] <xsacha> but that should be it for lower versions whiz2 :D
[10:53] <livingdaylight> dude: what abotu Compiz?
[10:54] <whiz2> Ypu upgraded to edgy?
[10:54] <whiz2> You*
[10:54] <xsacha> yeah
[10:54] <whiz2> What's the difference between this version, and edgy?
[10:54] <Jazon> livingdaylight: i have opinions about compiz.... it looks cool, is an important idea/step forward, but i found it nauseating to use....
[10:55] <xsacha> just different versions of apps..
[10:55] <whiz2> if edgy's not fully released yet, then I'm not going to upgrade.
[10:55] <xsacha> so that sort of means a lot of small differences.. force DPI in fonts, changes system settings and so on
[10:55] <xsacha> it'll be released tomorrow, i think
[10:55] <esas_> Arkygeek: you're right!!!
[10:56] <whiz2> if I upgrade, I should probably do a fresh install of it... a friend of mine did it by "upgrade" and ruined his system... turned his installation of Linux into a paperweight
[10:56] <xsacha> :S at least he had a seperate home partition... right?
[10:57] <intelikey> Q; what do linux users do ?
[10:57] <intelikey> A; they install  software
[10:57] <whiz2> No... he did the upgrade from within his installed version... right into the same version/partition
[10:57] <livingdaylight> Jazon: i happily use beryl ...  ;)  i just thought since the dude was afraid of beryl he might check out compiz
[10:57] <xsacha> yeah but he had his home partition so he didnt lose anything important?
[10:58] <whiz2> He couldn't even start X
[10:58] <xsacha> just install edgy on root and keep home
[10:58] <xsacha> so he doesnt lose his settings
 He couldn't even start X <---- as if that was major
[10:58] <Teh_Roxor> The wobbly windows in beryl are annoying
[10:58] <Teh_Roxor> I think
[10:58] <whiz2> My root partition has the entire operating system on it. home is not on a different partition on my system
[10:58] <xsacha> starting X is usually easy to fix :P
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> But I really like the emerald windecos
[10:59] <xsacha> then disable them Teh_Roxor :P but i like them
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> I have, haha
[10:59] <intelikey> whiz2 mine either
[10:59] <whiz2> Niether was casey's he was the one I'm talking about
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> I have my root and home on different drives.
[10:59] <xsacha> did you get the aura around your windows Teh_Roxor? they are very cool.. get 100 radius and make transparency high
[10:59] <intelikey> in fact my home isn't on a partition
[10:59] <whiz2> he managed to get X running, but his system was running in bad shape
[10:59] <Teh_Roxor> Yeah, I have the aura... not as big as that though
[11:00] <xsacha> you set transparency high so it's not noticable but it looks really cool
[11:00] <Teh_Roxor> I'll try that
[11:00] <whiz2> xsacha: know anything about sharing printers from Linux using Samba to gain access from various windows versions?
[11:00] <xsacha> no idea, i dont even own a printer :O
[11:00] <xsacha> i just run down to my uni to print everything
[11:01] <whiz2> man... no one can effectively help me with this
[11:01] <intelikey> whiz2 did you ask in #ubuntu ?
[11:01] <whiz2> no, but that's an idea...
[11:01] <livingdaylight> Jucato: referring to krita sitting well in kde... does gimp not sit so well in kde then? And since its Kubuntu why opt  for openoffice over Koffice then?
[11:02] <xsacha> openoffice can open microsoft office files while KOffice cant for me
[11:02] <xsacha> i know people say they can open .doc, but it wont open my .doc
[11:02] <whiz2> brb
[11:02] <xsacha> only openoffice does
[11:02] <Teh_Roxor> When I have the amaroK window up, beryl gets really shakey
[11:02] <intelikey> whiz2 also ##linux   when the questions get to hard for the distro channels try there.
[11:02] <Teh_Roxor> The decos flash
[11:02] <xsacha> mm amarok runs fine in beryl here :S
[11:02] <xsacha> the aura flashes?
[11:02] <Teh_Roxor> Do you have any animation on it running?
[11:02] <xsacha> by the way, you notice the aura appears on dock too? :)
[11:02] <livingdaylight> xsacha: openoffice rules - no doubt about it
[11:03] <Jucato> livingdaylight: dunno about openoffice. but GIMP doesn't make use of lots of KDE stuff, like kio, kparts, or even just the File dialog boxes
[11:03] <xsacha> animation? probably not
[11:03] <xsacha> inside amarok?
[11:03] <Teh_Roxor> The visualization
[11:03] <Teh_Roxor> Or whateve
[11:03] <xsacha> oh, no i dont
[11:03] <intelikey> livingdaylight oo was highly requested
[11:03] <xsacha> that'd do it
[11:03] <Teh_Roxor> That may be it
[11:03] <livingdaylight> intelikey: 'demanded'  :p
[11:04] <intelikey> pretty close to that same
[11:04] <xsacha> yeah, i'm glad it is in instead of KOffice
[11:05] <livingdaylight> Jucato: glad i didn't install gimp then, and which is why i asked. I know that kde and gnome are moving more and more towards integration and mostly it is true one can install either on either platform but generally it is more stable to use stuff in their home environment. When i'm not sure i ask
[11:05] <livingdaylight> Jucato: you are such a rebel  :p
[11:05] <Jucato> livingdaylight: hehe not really :P
[11:05] <livingdaylight> hehe ^^
[11:06] <livingdaylight> !seen jazon
[11:06] <ubotu> Jazon is on IRC right now!
[11:06] <intelikey> looks like gimp doesn't need much tho   apt-get install gimp   "gimp gimp-data libgimp2.0 libwmf0.2-7" <-- The following NEW packages will be installed:   5449kB
[11:07] <Teh_Roxor> I hate gimp's interface
[11:07] <Teh_Roxor> Multiple windows... gah
[11:07] <Teh_Roxor> So annoying
[11:07] <intelikey> the thing i have trubble with is close the wrong window and the whole app closes
[11:08] <livingdaylight> intelikey: i was originally looking at trying out gimpshop, which is similar, docs said that if gimp was installed then i could skip the dependency related aspect of installing gimpshop from source. Which is how this all started
[11:08] <livingdaylight> any of you try gimpshop?
[11:09] <intelikey> but my box is too old for gimp anyway.
[11:09] <livingdaylight> supposed to deal with some of the annoying aspects people find with gimp, but looks like the interface may be quite much the same
[11:09] <livingdaylight> intelikey: how old is that then?  :|
[11:09] <intelikey> oh  p1 ish
[11:10] <livingdaylight> GEEZUS kristus intelikey !  :o
[11:10] <livingdaylight> wtf, are you running on there intelikey?
[11:10] <intelikey> what am i running ?
[11:10] <intelikey> what jew mean ?
[11:10] <Teh_Roxor> I tried gimpshop on Windows once
[11:11] <Teh_Roxor> Hated it
[11:11] <livingdaylight> intelikey: yea, what os and desktop?
[11:11] <livingdaylight> Teh_Roxor: is that right? does it not stand up to scrutiny?
[11:12] <intelikey> kubuntu kde xfce4 twm blackbox fluxbox..... ummmm seems like something else is installed.
[11:12] <intelikey> icewm
[11:12] <intelikey> that's it.
[11:12] <livingdaylight> Lets make a kitty and all chip in so intelikey can get himself a new computer - he deserves it goddamm it!  :D
[11:13] <intelikey> he aint really interested.  so don't chip in.
[11:13] <livingdaylight> lol
[11:13] <livingdaylight> intelikey: how can you run kde on a p1?
[11:14] <livingdaylight> intelikey: this is Dapper?
[11:14] <intelikey> livingdaylight it runs better than gnome on here
[11:14] <intelikey> yes 6.6
[11:14] <livingdaylight> intelikey: i didn't think that was possible?
[11:14] <Teh_Roxor> livingdaylight: I can't even remember why I didn't like it
[11:15] <intelikey> what ?
[11:15] <livingdaylight> Teh_Roxor: lol
[11:15] <livingdaylight> intelikey: to run a modern linux distro such as Dapper on a P1
[11:15] <Teh_Roxor> Gimpshot
[11:15] <Teh_Roxor> Gimpshop*
[11:15] <intelikey> and why not ?
[11:15] <intelikey>  this is not that M$ reboot os
[11:16] <intelikey> it's just linux  i have linux installed on a 486 lappy
[11:16] <Teh_Roxor> Has anyone here managed to get Flash working without a delay of sound?
[11:16] <intelikey> 2.4 kernel    mandrake 9
[11:17] <Teh_Roxor> And will flash 9 ever come out for Linux?
[11:17] <Carbon_Monoxide> anyone would tell me what would be the normal result for "more /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"?
[11:17] <intelikey> Teh_Roxor after the first of the year i hear.
[11:18] <intelikey> Carbon_Monoxide  tty2 [greg@~]  cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[11:18] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~] 
[11:18] <intelikey> looks like nothing here.
[11:18] <Teh_Roxor> I get nothing
[11:19] <Carbon_Monoxide> nothing in the file?
[11:19] <intelikey> empty cammel
[11:19] <Teh_Roxor> nothing
[11:20] <intelikey> camel
[11:20] <Carbon_Monoxide> thanks buddies! I was wondering why my file was empty
[11:20] <Carbon_Monoxide> it seems like it is working right
[11:21] <intelikey> i'm wondering why you are playing around in the /proc
[11:21] <Carbon_Monoxide> because I have to edit it for my gaming sound
[11:21] <intelikey> games ok.
[11:21] <Carbon_Monoxide> I tries to run Enemy Territories
[11:22] <whiz2> intelikey: I'm getting ignored in both the channels you recommended
[11:22] <intelikey> whiz2 sorry.
[11:22] <claudio> hi
[11:22] <whiz2> not your fault
[11:22] <intelikey> tod is bad for help tho
[11:23] <claudio> I can't listen audio of video with kaffeine
[11:23] <intelikey> tod==time of day
[11:23] <claudio> why?
[11:23] <cpk2> dont have the right codec?
[11:23] <claudio> i don't know
[11:23] <Teh_Roxor> What kinds of audio and video?
[11:23] <intelikey> !mp3
[11:23] <cpk2> although libxine-extracodecs should cover everything you need
[11:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <claudio> mp3 i think
[11:24] <apokryphos> Please use consult FAQ first
[11:24] <apokryphos> !faq
[11:24] <ubotu> faq is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions Official documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com IRC FAQ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[11:24] <whiz2> intelikey:  tod?
[11:24] <whiz2> oh time of day
[11:25] <intelikey> do you know the differance between a duck ?
[11:25] <claudio> i'll tried
[11:25] <claudio> installing
[11:25] <claudio> libxine-extracodecs
[11:25] <claudio>  w32codecs
[11:25] <claudio>  libarts1-mpeglib
[11:25] <claudio>  libarts1-xine
[11:25] <claudio>  libakode2-mpeg
[11:25] <claudio> but nothing...
[11:25] <intelikey> one leg is both the same.
[11:26] <cpk2> is kaffeine using xine?
[11:26] <whiz2> intelikey:  you lost me on that oke
[11:26] <claudio> i don't know
[11:26] <intelikey> whiz2 it's a slow joke, it will take a while for it to catch up with you.
[11:27] <cpk2> erhm i dont think my defuncted procs released their memory, any way to check?
[11:27] <whiz2> intelikey: there is also a room called #samba
[11:27] <intelikey> in irc they are called "channels" but yes.
[11:28] <Teh_Roxor> I call them houses.
[11:28] <claudio> can you help me?
[11:28] <intelikey> cpk2 pgrep ?
[11:28] <Teh_Roxor> Tell me I'm wrong, I dare you.
[11:28] <intelikey> lp me?
 Tell me I'm wrong, I dare you.
[11:29] <intelikey> hosed that paste didn't i
[11:29] <intelikey> I'm wrong, I dare you.    <[11:29] <cpk2> intelikey: the zombies died with a kill but I think the memeory might not have been released, I guess I will notice in a day or 2 =P
[11:30] <Teh_Roxor> :(
[11:30] <Teh_Roxor> claudio, did you read those help docs?
[11:30] <claudio> yes
[11:30] <Teh_Roxor> Do you get sound from any program at all?
[11:30] <claudio> i've done what they say to do
[11:31] <claudio> i can listen mp3 from xmms
[11:31] <intelikey> cpk2 process is gone but you think that memory is locked because the process was ????    did you roll your own kernel ?    or are you rolling something else ?
[11:32] <thomas__> does beryl do tv out?
[11:32] <cpk2> intelikey: kernel is from the repos, i might be wrong about memory though =X
[11:32] <whiz2> intelikey: you say tomato, I say tomahto, you say potato, I say potahto... you say channels, I say rooms. :-p
[11:32] <intelikey> cpk2 if not.  there is a major issue with the ubuntu kernel.
[11:33] <cpk2> intelikey: ok then we will assume it isnt locked =)
[11:33] <intelikey> whiz2 not me.  don't matter to me what you call them.   just thought you might want to know.  :)
[11:34] <intelikey> cpk2 yeah lets assume that.  :))))
[11:34] <cpk2> =D
[11:34] <whiz2> intelikey: Actually, I already knew what they were called, but I call them rooms out of habit from using other chats (like yahoo for example)
[11:35] <cpk2> now I just need to find a way to feed musicbrainz picard a lot of my library without it defuncting
[11:35] <Teh_Roxor> Can anyone else help claudio? I'm no expert, myself.
[11:36] <intelikey> Teh_Roxor i'm not on that issue but the output settings would be the straw i would grasp at.
[11:36] <cpk2> he should check to make sure kaffiene is using xine
[11:36] <intelikey> yes inside the app.
[11:36] <cpk2> and possibly try a different player
[11:36] <intelikey> also
[11:37] <intelikey> there you've picked my brain.   feel better ?
[11:37] <intelikey> :)
[11:37] <Teh_Roxor> =-o
[11:37] <B-Minus> hello does anyone know a good cdwriter program ? k3b isnt working well :(
[11:38] <intelikey> B-Minus i like cdw  or xcdroast  but you may not like either.
[11:38] <whiz2> k3b works fine for me.
[11:38] <cpk2> and should probably tell xine to use alsa
[11:38] <B-Minus> intelikey: are those command line ?
[11:38] <intelikey> cdw is
[11:39] <intelikey> xcdroast is full gui
[11:39] <cpk2> B-Minus: where exactly is k3b under performing?
[11:41] <intelikey> i don't really care for the over all layout of k3b    it reminds me of another cdburner i saw once in that other os.
[11:41] <B-Minus> cpk2: i have dapper 6.06, when i want to copy a cd it says unable to eject media, then when i solve that it says no permission to drive when i insert an empty cdr even while i changed all permissions with k3bsetup
[11:41] <Teh_Roxor> ...I really like k3b. :(
[11:41] <cpk2> could probably just run k3b as root to solve it
[11:42] <whiz2> kdesu k3b
[11:42] <cpk2> whiz2: and what problem is that?
[11:42] <intelikey> yuch
[11:42] <whiz2> cpk2: Using Linux, and Samba, I'm trying to share a printer with a Windows XP Pro PC, a windows 98 PC, and another Linux PC, but every time I try to export the drivers, I'm told there are missing drivers, and any time I try to use a network PC to get the drivers for install, I'm told there are no drivers to get on the server PC. How do I sucessfully share a printer using Samba on Linux?
[11:42] <B-Minus> whiz2: i already did with kdesu k3b and i still get the same problems
[11:42] <intelikey> run as root to solve perms issue.....   yuch   what a hack.
[11:43] <intelikey> how about add self to cdrom and cdrecord groups
[11:43] <intelikey> media too maybe
[11:43] <whiz2> B-Minus: that would be how you run it as root, but if that's not working, then running as root just isn't working either.
[11:44] <whiz2> cpk2: Did I manage to stump you too with this problem of mine?
[11:44] <cpk2> i've never tried using samba for printers
[11:45] <cpk2> swat might make it easy to do but back up your samba config before installing swat
[11:45] <nitro[XL] > under winxp you need to install driver for your printer from your printer vendor cd .. then will work
[11:45] <claudio> intelikey: whereis a newsgroup client in kubuntu?
[11:45] <claudio> intelikey: whereis a newsgroup client in kubuntu?
[11:46] <intelikey> kontact ?
[11:46] <intelikey> kmail would be the app maybe ?
[11:46] <intelikey> idk.
[11:46] <whiz2> !swat
[11:46] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:47] <intelikey> i have stabbed in the dark.  if nothing screems i'll assume i missed.
[11:47] <Teh_Roxor> kontact feels very crappy in my opinion
[11:47] <cpk2> whiz2: installing swat will erase your samba config so BACK IT UP BEFORE INSTALLING
[11:47] <whiz2> cpk2: will do
[11:48] <intelikey> swat = samba with a twist ???     jk.
[11:48] <cpk2> hehe
[11:49] <cpk2> personally i didnt like swat but i never had to config printers so it might help with that =P
[11:50] <thill2708> Can I get tv-out with beryl?
[11:50] <intelikey> i'm high profile network illiterate     samba i have never set up.
[11:50] <thill2708> and is it stable?
[11:50] <intelikey> !beryl
[11:50] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[11:50] <thill2708> yup
[11:50] <thill2708> been there
[11:50] <thill2708> nothing regarding tv out
[11:51] <intelikey> then you should know if it's alpha/beta/stable
[11:51] <thill2708> well, I guess
[11:51] <thill2708> apparently it's stable enough for most
[11:52] <thill2708> I'm really more curious about the tv out functionality
[11:52] <intelikey> thill2708 i have heard that tv-out was one of the few points that it still gave any problems   but that is hear say.
[11:53] <whiz2> cpk2: is SWAT a gui interface?
[11:53] <thill2708> ah
[11:53] <thill2708> that's the show stopper for me
[11:53] <cpk2> whiz2: yes via the web
[11:53] <whiz2> hmmm... ok
[11:54] <intelikey> you are more than welcome to try it.  but you ask and i only repeted what i heard.
[11:54] <B-Minus> intelikey: tnx, xcdroast burned the cd without problems
[11:54] <B-Minus> k3b looks very nice but just doesnt work for me :(
[11:54] <intelikey> B-Minus welcome
[11:55] <maverick> guys! am runing kubuntu, anyone did run "turboprint" successfuly ??
[11:56] <intelikey> yeah i think it's probably a "group" issue B-Minus  you could add your self to media and cdrom groups to see if it helped
[11:56] <maverick> am having canon s300 Bj printer and i figured that turboprint wud recognize it
[11:56] <maverick> but i cannot run it
[11:58] <intelikey> or just use xcdroast
[11:59] <intelikey> oh my. i have to go die now.  my shift ended almost an hour ago.
[12:00] <intelikey> good day, good night and good bye.
[12:02] <Jazon> hi again guys
[12:02] <Jazon> having another problem since the d-u
[12:02] <maverick> !turboprint
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about turboprint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:04] <Jazon> checking for GL/glu.h... no  >>> configure: error: *** Unable to locate OpenGL includes.
[12:05] <Jazon> sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-gl-dev  >>> xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed >>> E: Broken packages
[12:05] <Jazon> libgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1+cvs20060824 is to be installed
[12:06] <dvayanu> hi
[12:06] <dvayanu> i have kubuntu edgy, i i start konqueror / - i only see four folders, home, media, work and acqua_backup (last both are mine)
[12:07] <dvayanu> if i enter /opt in the adress line i can see the contents too
[12:07] <dvayanu> or /usr, or /bin
[12:07] <dvayanu> he even makes an autocompletion
[12:07] <afm\colossus> yeah. nifty, huh? ;D
[12:08] <dvayanu> it would be niftier if it would work properly :-)
[12:08] <dvayanu> i have no filters on or something
[12:08] <dvayanu> other programms sees all folders
[12:08] <dvayanu> like firefox
[12:10] <afm\colossus> hm well, i see your problem now
[12:10] <afm\colossus> that's strange
[12:10] <thill2708> what's the best online retailer for games?
[12:10] <afm\colossus> i don't use konqu for managing files, though from what i recall, you were able to browse /
[12:10] <thill2708> console games*
[12:11] <dvayanu> afm: well, i wouldn't care about that, but amarok uses (apparently) konqueror for file dialogs and i can't add nothing to my collection which is not in the four folders
[12:11] <dvayanu> and since xmms wishes to allocate 8 gig memory on my machine and makes it all swap after 4 songs played...
[12:12] <dvayanu> i'm stuck with amarok as player
[12:13] <Jazon> methinks there be dragons
[12:13] <dvayanu> where
[12:13] <Jazon> did a d-u to edgy
[12:14] <allee> hi, klicking on a link in kmail, konversation, popup a msg dialog that the file http://... does not exists. Starting konqueror with the url, fail too, but click on reload load the page (dapper + backports) fails to open. Started this week. Not sure if it's related to an upgrade.  Known problem?
[12:14] <Jazon> now probs with libgl1-mesa-dev etc...
[12:14] <jende> Jazon: what probs?
[12:14] <allee> err, reload load the page fine
[12:15] <Jazon> allee: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dQeSFm85.html
[12:15] <afm\colossus> dvayanu: have you already taken a look into kde's bugtracking system?
[12:16] <Jazon> errr, jende  that was for you.... sorry
[12:16] <allee> Jazon: are you sure that's address to my question? :)
[12:16] <dvayanu> not yet, i wasn't sure its a bug
[12:16] <allee> brb
[12:16] <Jazon> sorry allee
[12:17] <jende> Jazon: sudo apt-get -f install followed by a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:17] <jende> Jazon: that should fix your prob
[12:17] <jende> Jazon: have you changed just before your dpkg your sources?
[12:18] <Jazon> sources are edgy only
[12:18] <Jazon> i donloaded the one pkg however from the debian package site
[12:19] <jende> Jazon: errrr...is it a deb package? have you got the link for me?
[12:19] <Jazon> jende: here is the source of my issues: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OeORE022.html
[12:19] <Jazon> i am building GRASS from cvs
[12:20] <Jazon> jende: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/mesa-common-dev_6.5.1-0.2_all.deb
[12:20] <maverick> jazon: do u have a guide on how to build from CVS
[12:20] <livingdaylight> Jazon: whenyou were referring to compiz were you referring to beryl aswell?
[12:20] <Jazon> jende: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-dev_6.5.1-0.2_i386.deb
[12:20] <Jazon> livingdaylight: no
[12:20] <JosefK> Jazon: sudo aptitude install freeglut3-dev
[12:20] <Jazon> maverick: yes, i have built it several times...
[12:21] <livingdaylight> Jazon: are you Jazon of the Argonauts?
[12:21] <Jazon> JosefK: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qv7bfM39.html    that look ok?
[12:22] <jende> Jazon: I'm quite positive that that package wont work on edgy
[12:22] <Jazon> livingdaylight: im not greek.... :P
[12:22] <JosefK> oh dear Jazon - you've installed mesa packages that aren't from the official repo's?
[12:22] <Jazon> just one
[12:22] <jende> JosefK: I don't think that deb stable (sarge) ppackages will work on edgy
[12:23] <JosefK> you'll need to fetch freeglut manually then, or build it from cvs or similar
[12:23] <Jazon> ok.... just my feeble attempt.... shall i dpkg -r it?
[12:23] <jende> JosefK: G'Day
[12:23] <JosefK> morning jende ^^ just finished getting those debconf dvd's
[12:24] <whiz2> cpk2: swat wouldn't even run on that system... the browser couldn't open http://localhost:901
[12:24] <jende> JosefK: my box gave up last night, don't know why...will try after lunch again
[12:24] <whiz2> so I'm going to give up for now, and get some sleep... I'm several hours overdue for some shuteye
[12:25] <Jazon> JosefK: is it possible to backstep by removing the package?  I didnt change any sources
[12:25] <JosefK> indeed Jazon, it's offering to downgrade the package automatically for you
[12:25] <JosefK> heh, http://randolphcarter.myby.co.uk/err.png
[12:26] <JosefK> konqueror's a but, um... confused?
[12:26] <Jazon> hehe - i would say so... how big *is* that???
[12:26] <jende> JosefK: ooops
[12:26] <JosefK> it's only the 8.6 gigs or so debconf dvd's :/
[12:27] <JosefK> I'm guessing it could be Samba on the box that's messed up...
[12:27] <jende> JosefK: seems to be so...but still ooops
[12:28] <jende> have to grab me a coffee...brb...
[12:28] <JosefK> aye, same here
[12:29] <martalli> Constant Comment here
[12:29] <martalli> chai is good for the soul and mind (Coffee will do, though =)
[12:29] <dvayanu> ok, solved it
[12:29] <dvayanu>  sudo rm /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root
[12:29] <JosefK> ah, thanks a lot dvayanu
[12:30] <jende> b
[12:32] <Jazon> JosefK: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MjVZ9d18.html   look better now?  or more work still?
[12:33] <Jucato> is it possible at all to have 3d hardware acceleration using the open source "nv" driver?
[12:34] <wildchild> whe I try to save with open office filne mane *.doc it says: saving using protocol "media" is not supported.
[12:34] <Jazon> Jucato: i think kano has a script that works nice...  check in #kanotix
[12:34] <wildchild> filne mane = file name
[12:34] <Jucato> Jazon: ah ok.
[12:35] <Jazon> JosefK: should i remove the libglu1-mesa and apt-get install it?
[12:35] <Jazon> heh - that would be a BAD idea....
[12:37] <sid_> hello :)
[12:37] <Teh_Roxor> Hail to thee
[12:38] <sid_> I have NTFS harddisk (USB) and I want to format it in FAT32
[12:38] <supermegazord> ave all
[12:38] <sid_> can I do it in Kubuntu
[12:38] <Jazon> well, for better or worse, this is what i did :  http://rafb.net/paste/results/dZ4o2r59.html
[12:38] <supermegazord> i have one questions
[12:38] <supermegazord> how create a local repositories
[12:40] <jende> !FAT32
[12:40] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:41] <JosefK> Jazon: apt-get seemed to be offering to downgrade the packages automatically for you, when you were trying to install
[12:41] <Jazon> it worked anyways....
[12:41] <JosefK> ah, good :) sorry about that, I was making a coffee
[12:41] <Jazon> i have now moved on to new problems :s
[12:41] <Jazon> hehe
[12:41] <jende> sid_: maybe parted is what you want
[12:42] <jende> sid_: its a cmd-line tool, see man parted
[12:45] <jende> sid_: or you may want to use a tool like partition magic
[12:45] <Jucato> or QtParted or GParted...
[12:45] <jende> Jucato: or...;) G'day buddy
[12:45] <Jucato> hi jende!!! :)
[12:46] <jende> howdyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:46] <cpk2> jende: welcome
[12:46] <JosefK> sid_: or if you want something writable in linux/windows, maybe have a look at using ext3 and installing "ext2 IFS" on windows
[12:46] <jende> cpk2: hey...how arey a?
[12:46] <afm\colossus> www.fs-driver.org
[12:47] <cpk2> good, found a way to (somewhat) easily tag and rename my music collection
[12:47] <jende> cpk2: sounds cool
[12:47] <jende> cpk2: how did you do it?
[12:48] <cpk2> jende: musicbrainz picard
[12:48] <cpk2> and I am doing it right now
[12:48] <cpk2> 5000 songs is still alot =P
[12:48] <jende> cpk2: damn...indeed that's a lot
[12:48] <cpk2> my room mate has 12000 or something though =(
[12:48] <cpk2> I'm getting owned
[12:49] <jende> what???12,000???unreal
[12:49] <cpk2> although I contend he has way too many duplicates
[12:49] <Jucato> jende: sorry for the late reply. doing fine here :)
[12:50] <jende> Jucato: *g*
[12:51] <cpk2> oh boy the app is really starting to lag now that I have fed it almost my whole library
[12:52] <maverick> guys, am searching for package to support my annon S300 printer..as it's driver is not available in kubuntu...i used turbo print, it works like a charm but it's only a test version so a stupid logo is printed in every page...any help?
[12:52] <jende> cpk2: *ggg*
[12:52] <maverick> canon S300*
[12:52] <jende> maverick: spent 30Euros and the logo will be gone
[12:52] <cpk2> I'm hoping it doesnt defunct, if i fed it my whole library at once it zombifies =P
[12:52] <Jazon> whats this mean guys??? checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc   -Wl,--export-dynamic) works... no.... configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[12:52] <cpk2> sure is exciting!
[12:53] <jende> Jazon: sudo apt-cache search gcc and pastebin the output
[12:53] <maverick> jende: wht if i don't want to and i want my driver to be supported in kubuntu :D
[12:54] <Jazon> jende: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ttsjvt88.html
[12:54] <jende> maverick: ah well, than I guess, you will have to wite your own driver, though
[12:54] <sid_> thank you josefk
[12:54] <asmo674hurt> what a f**k? i had insert MMC card in cardreader, but it now say: you have no permissions to write in these folder
[12:55] <Jazon> asmo674hurt: do ls -l  and look at permissions
[12:55] <Jazon> ?
[12:55] <jende> Jazon: how and what are you trying to install/compile?
[12:55] <Jazon> i am ./configure GRASS from cvs
[12:56] <asmo674hurt> Jazon: my name and writes, that i can watch & modify content
[12:56] <Jazon> jende: this is the ./configure i am using: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0MYx8963.html
[12:57] <Jazon> asmo674hurt: is it mounted read write in fstab?
[01:00] <jende> Jazon: just a guess...shouldn't you do that with 'sudo'?
[01:00] <Jazon> jende: no
[01:00] <Jazon> def not
[01:00] <Jazon> nor with make
[01:00] <Jazon> just sudo make install
[01:00] <jende> Jazon: I know that it would be quite unusual
[01:01] <jende> Jazon: hmm...kinda weird though
[01:02] <Jazon> gcc           gcc-3.4-base         gcc-4.0-base  gcc-4.1-base         gcc-3.3-base  gcc-4.0       gcc-4.1
[01:02] <fabio> hola
[01:03] <fabio> os pasa que de vez en cuando al iniciar de session grafica no hay la musica?
[01:03] <fabio> no hay el sonido
[01:03] <fabio> en general
[01:04] <Jucato> !es
[01:04] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:04] <fabio> sorry
[01:04] <fabio> i think was the spanish chat
[01:05] <jende> Jazon: http://grass.itc.it/community/support.php#irc
[01:05] <Jucato> bleh! I'll wait for Edgy's release, download the ISO, and reisntall again...
[01:05] <cpk2> Jucato: break something?
[01:05] <Jucato> not really... I'm just ranting...
[01:06] <ohmbr> hi, I have kubuntu runing ltsp, it's working just fine, but i can't configure my keyboard (abnt2)...
[01:06] <Jucato> stressed out after going through hoops upgrading from a *fresh* Dapper install
[01:06] <ohmbr> does somebody know what can i do?
[01:06] <cpk2> Jucato: vanilla everything to vanilla edgy?
[01:07] <Jucato> if by vanilla you mean "absolutely fresh, clean, nothing added, nothing touched", then yes
[01:07] <cpk2> wow, i hope it isnt a pain to upgrade to edgy
[01:08] <Jucato> well, let's just hope...
[01:08] <Jucato> it's a fresh 6.06.1 install. no upgrades, so that might have caused the problems...
[01:08] <jende> Jazon: dunno if you've been there already, thats why I've posted you the link
[01:09] <Jazon> missed that jende  thax
[01:10] <jende> Jazon: they've got on top of it a ML, as well
[01:10] <Jazon> yeah, i know.... thx.  i missed you sending me the link...
[01:10] <jende> http://grass.itc.it/community/support.php   <- for ML
[01:12] <klerfayt> how to fix scrollbar in firefox?
[01:17] <Gostie> is anybody here who could give me a hand?
[01:18] <jende> Gostie: on what?
[01:19] <Jazon> sudo apt-get install build-essential   >>> that sorted me - :-)
[01:19] <jende> Jazon: well done...
[01:19] <jende> Jazon: so, it's compiling now?without any hassles?
[01:20] <Jucato> oooh KDE Plugin wizard to install Flash...
[01:20] <Gostie> I have a widescreen (1280*768 on windows) laptop which I'm running kubuntu on. It refuses to make the resolution any bigger than 1024*768, effectively wasting the edges
[01:21] <Gostie> any ideas on how I could fix that?
[01:21] <jende> Gostie: whats the installed graphiccard?
[01:23] <andhy> Gostie: you must set proper HorizSync & VertRefresh on /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:24] <Gostie> Intel 855GME  (64MB) according to the specs
[01:24] <andhy> Gostie: and add your 1280x1024 like default resolution on proper DefaultDepth
[01:25] <jende> andhy: and maybe the right module for the GC as well if it gor installed just with a vesa
[01:25] <andhy> jende: and maybe ... ;)
[01:26] <andhy> Gostie: of cource 1280x768 (not! 1280x1024)
[01:27] <Gostie> the only things in /etc/x11/xorg.conf which have any mention of resolution all say 1280*768
[01:29] <Gostie> the Horizsync is 28-64 and the Vertrefresh is 43-60
[01:29] <Gostie> apparently
[01:29] <andhy> Gostie: go google - "model of your laptop" xorg.conf HorizSync - and check what do you must write
[01:29] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[01:30] <Gostie> no results
[01:30] <afm\colossus> Gostie: there's a bug with certain Viode BIOS versions the X11 graphics drivers for Intel-products depend on
[01:32] <afm\colossus> but there's a program called 915resolution which is able to work around that bug
[01:32] <afm\colossus> it's in the repos
[01:32] <afm\colossus> install it, and read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian afterwards
[01:34] <larson9999> i got a job!
[01:35] <Gostie> thanks
[01:35] <Gostie> installing that now
[01:37] <Jazon> thx for all the help guys!
[01:38] <escola> gh
[01:38] <Kiongku> heh guys.. u know the command to lock screen from the terminal?
[01:40] <JosefK> Kiongku: the xlockmore package seems to provide a command to do that
[01:40] <JosefK> !xlockmore
[01:40] <ubotu> xlockmore: Lock X11 display until password is entered.. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:5.13-2.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 973 kB, installed size 2576 kB
[01:44] <Kiongku> hmm
[01:44] <Kiongku> thx
[01:45] <some0ne> Kiongku: If you have xscreensaver-demo running you could also use xscreensaver-command -lock.
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> Hai, Guys :)
[01:49] <ikam> hello, a nice guide please ,for working kubuntu and qemu? thanks...
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> When will firefox 2. land up in the repos ?
[01:50] <Teejay__> Hi, I'm wondering if anybody have experienced their computer freezing while running Kubuntu 6.06
[01:50] <Teejay__> ?
[01:50] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, not me.
[01:50] <Teejay__> I might try a reinstall soon, if that gets rid of the problem
[01:50] <|lostbyte|> ikam, Running windows ? ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo?highlight=%28qemu%29
[01:51] <Teejay__> sorry I am running kubuntu 6.10
[01:51] <Teejay__> not 6.06, sorry
[01:51] <ikam> many thanks [
[01:52] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, Try updating your system.
[01:52] <Teejay__> system is fully updated
[01:52] <ikam> |lostbyte|: thanks
[01:52] <|lostbyte|> ikam, np ;)
[01:52] <Teejay__> I will check for new updates just incase although
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, Then you should be knows, when it happens. Whats the last thiing you do. ?
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, yes, do that first.
[01:54] <Teejay__> it can be anything accessing the kmenu, running things like kopete, konversation, firefox and amarok at once
[01:54] <Teejay__> and then it just freezes
[01:54] <Teejay__> apart from that I have found kubuntu the ideal linux os for my needs :D
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, Its just a matter of 12 hrs, the Final stable version is out. Update it then.
[01:57] <Teejay__> thanks jlostbyte
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> Teejay__, np ;).. I wish i could help more.
[02:01] <Linux_Galore> is there firefox 2.0 packages yet for kubuntu
[02:02] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, Na..
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> shame its allot better than 1.5
[02:03] <DrCurl> hi
[02:03] <DrCurl> I come from the gnome world. I would like to know if there is an equivalent to the gnome deskbar applet for the kicker? Deskbar is a launcher applet that search as you type...
[02:03] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, Yes, many new features.
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> faster too
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> in more ways than one, it also loads faster on the machines Ive updated
[02:04] <|lostbyte|> Linux_Galore, just have to check it out first, to really know..
[02:04] <|lostbyte|> DrCurl, Searches for ?
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> DrCurl: hmm katapult
[02:05] <|lostbyte|> DrCurl, oh ! just hit alt + space and type in the program name.
[02:05] <DrCurl> |lostbyte|, there are various plugins, basically, search for apps, files, on the web
[02:05] <turbojugend> anyone here to help me with kxdocker (I am new to KDE...) ??????????
[02:06] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: whats the problem
[02:06] <DrCurl> thanks guys
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> DrCurl, np ;)
[02:06] <turbojugend> I can't start the damn thing
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> run kxdocker from konsole. .
[02:07] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore: I am new to KDE not to Linux :P, idid i get errors wanna post 'em?
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, sure.
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> :)
[02:07] <jarn> How do I move things around on my kicker? Somehow my click etc all got moved left.
[02:08] <DrCurl> katapult looks like the perfect thing, I was jalous of OS X because of quicksilver
[02:08] <|lostbyte|> jarle, middle click and drag.
[02:08] <|lostbyte|> jarn, ^^
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: I use ksmoothbar, kxdocker is stagnant right now
[02:08] <jarn> |lostbyte|: That didn't work for me... :/
[02:09] <GnarusLeo> Hi! How do I update to firefox 2.0?
[02:09] <|lostbyte|> jarn, first make sure, its not locked ( right-click + unlock_panel ).
[02:09] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore: Notice i am using Beryl and baghira.....error: X error bad device etc etc    AND    says the conf files are corrupt both users and system...?
[02:10] <jarn> |lostbyte|: It isn't.
[02:10] <|lostbyte|> GnarusLeo, No package in the repo. that is on dapper. no idea about edgy.
[02:10] <|lostbyte|> jarn, what are you trying to move ?
[02:10] <DrCurl> Linux_Galore, do you mean ksmoothdock?
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: kxdocker is very experimental and unstable but I found ksmoothbar allot better
[02:11] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore: the repos one work (ksmoothbar, is it nice?
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> sorry ksmoothdock
[02:11] <turbojugend> ic
[02:11] <GnarusLeo> |lostbyte|, do you know how I upgrade to edgy?
[02:11] <jarn> |lostbyte|: The system tray and the clock.
[02:11] <turbojugend> jeroenvrp either dl the rc disc, or sudo apt-get dist upgrad
[02:12] <jeroenvrp> turbojugend: ?
[02:12] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore, the ksmoothdock from repos is it working?
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: dont know I built from source
[02:12] <turbojugend> any special deps?
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: not that I noticed
[02:13] <turbojugend> lol jereonverp wrong post sorry
[02:13] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, kooldock
[02:13] <turbojugend> ok kooldock or ksmoothbar?
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> neither, both are just clutter
[02:14] <turbojugend> the repos one (koolbar) is working?
[02:14] <turbojugend> clutter?
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> yeah, its all just junk at the end of the day, its doesnt improve your performance
[02:14] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, i belive ksmoothbar comes in kooldock
[02:14] <turbojugend> Linux_Galore clutter=?
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: its not needed
[02:15] <xsacha> kiba-dock
[02:15] <turbojugend> lostbyte, ha? i lost you some more info plz (again will adept get me a working dock with those , i am tired of faulty compiles...
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> its still not needed if you have kicker
[02:15] <chupa> hi 2 all
[02:16] <turbojugend> lol kiba-dock is just a starter, i decided to try KDE for a real docker
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> having kicker and ksmoothbar kxdocker both running is just a waste of desk space and resources
[02:16] <xsacha> throw in kiba-dock too
[02:16] <|lostbyte|> turbojugend, yes, i should. i can always uninstall, if you dont like it.
[02:16] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: actually, you don't run them with kicker... it's on or the other. not both
[02:16] <turbojugend> Linux_galore ksmoothbar is a docker or a launcher?
[02:16] <|lostbyte|> it*
[02:16] <turbojugend> jucato, i agree
[02:17] <|lostbyte|> !docker
[02:17] <ubotu> docker: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4-3 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 84 kB
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: same as the osx docker in concept
[02:17] <|lostbyte|> !launcher
[02:17] <ubotu> launcher: Selects which program to launch according to extension. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.86-1 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 124 kB
[02:18] <turbojugend> ok to me launcher i mean just launching apps, while docker can host a tray trrashbin etc
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> turbojugend: ksmoothdock does both
[02:18] <turbojugend> ok, thnx
[02:18] <turbojugend> brb
[02:18] <|lostbyte|> yes
[02:22] <turbojugend> kooldock seems nice at a glimpse, any usefull ideas for it?
[02:24] <Stev> hi
[02:24] <Stev> someone can help me with an ntfs partition?
[02:25] <londondave> hi all, when i try to play flash video files in mplayer or vlc I only get audio, no video. I am using kubuntu edgy-any ideas?
[02:25] <robin> hello, how do i stop app's from starting on boot that where open when I shut down?
[02:26] <Jucato> robin: close them before you logout
[02:26] <Jucato> or set Session Manager to "Start from an empty session"
[02:26] <livingdaylight> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0131879928/ref=pd_huc_gp_ss_3/202-4770292-9624623
[02:26] <livingdaylight> anyone know which is better ?
[02:26] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:26] <robin> jucato- where is session manger
[02:27] <|lostbyte|> robin, kcontrol.
[02:27] <Jucato> robin: somewhere in System Settings.
[02:27] <Jucato> sorry I'm  not on Dapper so I can't say where it is exactly
[02:27] <livingdaylight> http://www.amazon.co.uk/OpenOffice-Org-X-Dummies-Gurdy-Leete/dp/0764542222/sr=8-1/qid=1161779003/ref=pd_ka_1/202-4770292-9624623?ie=UTF8&s=books
[02:27] <Stev> i cannot access my ntfs partition anymore: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[02:27] <livingdaylight> anyone know which book is better?
[02:28] <londondave> |lostbyte|, I just checked I have the extra codecs installed?
[02:28] <hrp2171> hello
[02:28] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:28] <hrp2171> what is the name of the app to tweak KDE's eye candy? like the panel's popups?
[02:29] <|lostbyte|> robin, System Settings > kde_components > session manager.
[02:29] <londondave> |lostbyte|, I have those as well?
[02:30] <|lostbyte|> londondave, you mean those .flv files right ?
[02:30] <londondave> |lostbyte|, yes flv-I am stumped, mplayer played them ok in dapper
[02:31] <hrp2171> if anyone remembers, KDE has an initial walk-thru config where you can select how much eyecandy you want based on your  cpu and system. where can i find that app?
[02:31] <livingdaylight> looking for a book for open office
[02:31] <Jucato> hrp2171: kpersonalizer
[02:31] <livingdaylight> Which is better the Dummies for open office or...
[02:32] <livingdaylight> Point n Click by ROBIN mILLER
[02:32] <hrp2171> livingdaylight: the best way to learn an office suite is by using it, but if you want some light reading while away from the comp, go with Dummies.
[02:33] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sorry, i am on dapper at the moment.
[02:34] <londondave> |lostbyte|, thanks anyway
[02:34] <hrp2171> funny thing, the last time i received formal training on an office suite was with office 95.
[02:34] <londondave> Is anyone using the sagem fast 800 usb modem in edgy?
[02:34] <hrp2171> afterworth, they all look the same to me
[02:35] <monad> hi, i recently upgraded to dapper and now am experiencing problems with opengl
[02:35] <livingdaylight> hrp2171: no, sorry, it is not a matter of simply wanting some light reading. And NO i do not learn simply by using an application, not one such as openoffice suite, so i want a manual/reference to guide me so i can get more out of the OO.o suite
[02:35] <monad> seems the references in glu.h etc... have changed
[02:36] <Hattori> when i do "sudo ifup eth0" i get: error: temporary failure in name resolution. what could be? dns not set? where to set dns servers?
[02:36] <monad> anyone working with opengl?
[02:36] <GnarusLeo> ok, when I have upgraded to edgy, how do I get firefox 2.0?
[02:36] <londondave> Hattori, /etc/resolve.conf
[02:36] <livingdaylight> Please wait one more day for the full and official release of Edgy
[02:37] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, oh, really .. is it comming out tomorrow?
[02:37] <Hattori> /etc/resolve.conf or /etc/resolv.conf?
[02:37] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: yes...only 24 more hours!
[02:37] <Hattori> i just write "192.168.0.1" nothing else?
[02:39] <livingdaylight> !edgy
[02:39] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[02:39] <livingdaylight> !schedule
[02:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[02:39] <londondave> Hattori, resolv.conf: but it is over written at boot, if you are using a router you need to change or check another file-hang on i'll find that one
[02:39] <GnarusLeo> but theres no harm in upgrading today anyways
[02:39] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight,
[02:39] <Hattori> londondave: i still get same error, when i do "ifup eth0" =\
[02:41] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: its your call...Some will tell you no, that they are already using it and its is fine. Others will tell you that it is always best to get the final final full and official release. Personally i can wait 1 more day. Afterall what is wrong with Dapper anyways ;)
[02:41] <turbojugend> hey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?
[02:41] <londondave> Hattori, if you are using dhcp with a router you need to change /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:41] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, nah .. the differenece is that you have to get a couple of more packages tomorrow .. nothing more :)
[02:42] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, Im just eeger to get my hans on firefox 2.0 :)
[02:42] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: can not do so already anyhow?
[02:42] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, maybe, but the easiest way is to just upgrade your distro
[02:43] <Hattori> londondave: i use static
[02:43] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: my experience of upgrading distros is not positive. I find i always need to do a complete and fresh install
[02:43] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, I have never needed to fresh my install :)
[02:43] <GnarusLeo> breezy - badger - egdy :)
[02:43] <GnarusLeo> dapper*
[02:43] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: backup home dir; fresh install; add backup
[02:44] <londondave> Hattori, at the top of that file add 'prepend domain-name-servers address1, address2;', without the quotes and then do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:44] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: that is incredible - you have good luck then
[02:44] <turbojugend> hey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?
[02:44] <londondave> Hattori, where address 1 & 2 are the dns server addresses of your isp
[02:44] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[02:44] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: well, i'm waiting till tomorrow or even the day after and downloading the official iso and doing a fresh install
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, nah, its not allways about the luck. Sometimes you got to tweak some to get apt accept all the packages
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> can be a little tricky sometimes
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, maybe thats a good idea anyways :)
[02:45] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, I have to much crap packages anyways :P
[02:46] <londondave> Hattori, if your using static add the addresses to the top of /etc/resolv.conf and so the network restart
[02:46] <nitro[XL] > i installed new kubuntu rc release .. and ogg work in amarok, but no mp3 .. whats missing ?
[02:46] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: you would do if you'r egoing back to the badger... Time to do a spring clean and start fresh
[02:46] <Jucato> !mp3 | nitro[XL] 
[02:46] <ubotu> nitro[XL] : For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:46] <turbojugend> ntroXL, go to the faq in kubuntu.org foolow the music guide
[02:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, I may as well do th same , since after upgrading to edgy yesterday i van no longer boot into it ...startx generates the message ..."cannot find X "...something about settings being at  -1 instead of 0
[02:47] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, how do you backup your home? Just backup all of you /home/user/* ?
[02:47] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: thats what i do. there's prolly a fancier way of doing it, but i don't know
[02:47] <turbojugend> hey all, I am getting an ugly shadow around kooldock, i use beryl, any idea?
[02:47] <GnarusLeo> livingdaylight, nah, that will work :) Maybe .tar.gz it to save som space :)
[02:47] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: i just burn it to cd
[02:48] <livingdaylight> GnarusLeo: or dvd if you need it  :p
[02:48] <hrp2171> Jucato: thanks :)
[02:48] <Hattori> londondave: i added the nds server to top of /etc/resolv.conf and ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, but still error.
[02:48] <londondave> Hattori, you need to do the network restart
[02:49] <BluesKaj> Jucato , what command will get me into X other than "statrx" ?
[02:49] <londondave> BluesKaj, did you install kubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <BluesKaj> err startx
[02:49] <Jucato> "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" ?
[02:49] <livingdaylight> Can you tell me if either books come reccommended for Open Office - Dummies for Open Office or Robin Miller's Point & Click OpenOffice.org
[02:49] <BluesKaj> ican't boot into edgy
[02:50] <Hattori> londondave: how?
[02:50] <londondave> BluesKaj, if you didn't install kubuntu-desktop you won't have the Xorg packages so you won't have an X to start
[02:50] <robin> I made a mistake and stop the auto upadter from starting on boot, how do i fix?
[02:51] <nitro[XL] > i installed all but w32codecs and libxine-extracodecs wont install
[02:51] <londondave> Hattori, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:51] <BluesKaj> londondave , you are saying that desktop is a seperate install
[02:51] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:52] <Vegeta^> When I use speciel characters in KATE (like , ,  and ect.) the editor doesn't recognize them when I oppen the file later? Is it possible to make it know the characters?
[02:52] <londondave> BluesKaj, yes you have to install Kubuntu-desktop and a python package too
[02:52] <BluesKaj> so what can I do do to boot into edgy ?
[02:53] <londondave> BluesKaj, try in konsole- sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <BluesKaj> can't get to a the konsole, edgy won't boot ...I'm in windows right now
[02:54] <Jucato> londondave: what's the problem?
[02:54] <Hattori> londondave: now i can ping, but when i restarted i still get same error
[02:54] <Jucato> with BluesKaj?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> can't boot into edgy , Jucato
[02:55] <londondave> BluesKaj, use the command prompt infront of you
[02:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: upgraded from Dapper?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: welcome to my world :P
[02:55] <BluesKaj> in windows right now
[02:55] <BluesKaj> P
[02:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: do as londondave said and "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:56] <Jucato> if there are any errors, note them down...
[02:56] <robin>  hello,  I made a mistake and stop the adept auto updater from starting on boot, how do i fix?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> Jucato , I'm not in linux , it won't boot !
[02:56] <londondave> Hattori, type ifconfig
[02:56] <Jucato> or just a hunch.. try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[02:56] <Jucato> BluesKaj: where does it stop in the booting process?
[02:56] <Hattori> londondave: eth0 and lo interfaces listed
[02:57] <BluesKaj> at the startx prompt
[02:57] <Jucato> BluesKaj: so you have a command line? then type in that command "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:57] <londondave> Hattori, what does it say in the logs, have a look at ksytemlog viewer
[02:58] <BluesKaj> ok ' i'll reboot and try that
[02:58] <londondave> BluesKaj, you also need to install another python-qt package
[02:59] <Jucato> thank goodness for irssi :P
[02:59] <monad> hi, can anyone tell me how to set up ssh on this machine, so that i can get inside from outside, too, not only the other way around?
[02:59] <Jucato> maybe BluesKaz should learn to use it :)
[02:59] <monad> in gentoo, it works fine by just running /etc/init.d/sshd start, which creates all necessary keys
[03:00] <Hattori> londondave: when i do network restart it says: eth0: lin up, 100 mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x45e1        can't find host ntp.ubuntu.com          no servers can be used, exiting
[03:00] <Hattori> on differnet lines
[03:01] <monad> probably because the network isn'T running yet
[03:01] <londondave> Hattori, ntp is the time server, have you got your isp dns servers in resolv.conf
[03:02] <monad> so... anyone here can tell me about the ssh daemon?
[03:02] <Hattori> londondave: i usually point to router address
[03:02] <robin> auto update notification isnt starting on boot, how do i change that?
[03:02] <Hattori> londondave: i added 192.168.0.1 that works on windows installations
[03:04] <londondave> Hattori, I take you have a network, what si the linux box connected to?
[03:04] <RawSewage> can I do this:   I have no Linux installed.  Tomorrow, I put in the old Dapper LiveCD.  Can I install Edgy directly from that over the internet?
[03:04] <Hattori> londondave: to router
[03:04] <londondave> Hattori, do you have a web setup page for the router
[03:04] <monad> raw: yes
[03:05] <RawSewage> monad, cool ty
[03:05] <Hattori> londondave: yes
[03:05] <Hattori> anyway, it always worked.. i just tried to add a dns server different from 192.168.0.1 but still same error
[03:06] <londondave> Hattori, ok you need to comment out all lines in /etc/resolv.conf and setup the dns addresses via the router, the router does all the work
[03:07] <Hattori> same error
[03:07] <Hattori> londondave: where can i see an example of /etc/network/interfaces file?
[03:07] <Hattori> maybe something is wrong there
[03:08] <londondave> Hattori, you don't need to worry about that, the router will do the dns-just log into the router and setup the account for your isp and provide the info it needs, read the routers manual
[03:10] <Hattori> londondave: i said you that 3 windows and 1 linux box are already connected to that router
[03:10] <Hattori> and all working fine
[03:11] <marcelo> ???
[03:11] <londondave> Hattori, you didn't mention the windows boxes, just the router, your going to need to read the routers manual, and connect via the windows box that is plugged into the phone line
[03:13] <Hattori> londondave: too bad, in resolv.conf i had to write "nameserver 192.168.0.1" and not just "192.168.0.1". as i said, router is just fine
[03:14] <londondave> Hattori, yes you have to put nameserver otherwise it's just a number which means nothing to linux
[03:15] <Hattori> londondave: need the repository list to upgrade to last ubuntu version
[03:15] <londondave> hi all, when i try to play flash video files in mplayer or vlc I only get audio, no video. I am using kubuntu edgy-any ideas?
[03:15] <londondave> Hattori, what version are you using
[03:16] <Hattori> kubuntu
[03:16] <londondave> Hattori, yes breezy, dapper?
[03:17] <Hattori> how can i find?
[03:18] <hammer> hi!
[03:20] <hammer> how do i download a single package without required dependencies?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> ok, still stuck at start prompt ... sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop , didn't install ..."could not find pkg kubuntu"
[03:21] <hammer> _
[03:21] <londondave> BluesKaj, kubuntu-desktop with a hyphen
[03:22] <Jucato> BluesKaj: err.. yeah... there's a hyphen...
[03:22] <BluesKaj> londondave , it installed kde  ok with that prompt
[03:22] <BluesKaj> it can't find X
[03:23] <Jucato> BluesKaj: most probably, the xserver packages are still held back when you try to dist-upgrade
[03:23] <londondave> BluesKaj, you also need to install python-qt3 and python-kde3 then you should get edgy
[03:23] <larson9999> isn't about time to release?
[03:23] <hammer> how to install package which is not in deb format?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> ok , will try that
[03:24] <hammer> but it should be...
[03:24] <BluesKaj> bbl
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Jucato , i' already have edgy installed , just can't boot into it
[03:25] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I know. that happened to me too
[03:25] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:25] <BluesKaj> brb
[03:25] <Jucato> dang! forgot to tell him about irssi...
[03:35] <londondave> can anyone play flv flash video in edgy?
[03:36] <xsacha> yes i can, amd64 kubuntu edgy rc1 playing flash videos fine
[03:36] <londondave> xsacha, what did use to play the files with
[03:37] <xsacha> i mean inside a browser, i havent tried outside the browser yet
[03:37] <xsacha> .flv?
[03:37] <londondave> xsacha, yes they play in the browser plugin, I mean like mplayer or vlc?
[03:38] <_Shade_> hi there
[03:38] <_Shade_> will my gpu be handled by edgy?
[03:38] <_Shade_> it's radeon 7500
[03:38] <xsacha> mplayer
[03:39] <londondave> xsacha, I tried both and all i get is audio, in dapper mplayer played flv ok?
[03:39] <xsacha> not sure what would be different :S
[03:39] <xsacha> _Shade_: why would your video card matter? it might matter for beryl
[03:39] <xsacha> you want 3d acceleration?
[03:40] <_Shade_> xsacha indeed
[03:40] <xsacha> which drivers? propietry or open source?
[03:41] <_Shade_> xsacha well it would be nice to see beryl in action on that card anyways :)
[03:41] <_Shade_> xsacha it doesn't matter if it would go smooth
[03:41] <xsacha> is it a mobility card?
[03:42] <_Shade_> xsacha what do you mean exactly?
[03:42] <xsacha> two versions, radeon 7500 and radeon mobility 7500 (laptops)
[03:43] <hazard2> hi xsacha
[03:43] <_Shade_> xsacha i suppose it's a non-laptop version since i have a desktop machine
[03:43] <xsacha> apparently a clipping/drawing error for desktop with radeon 7500, but someone reports getting 900 fps (on glxgears) in beryl with that card
[03:43] <xsacha> mobility one has some issues though
[03:44] <hazard2> any idea why my desktop icons might occosonally dissapear?
[03:44] <xsacha> in beryl?
[03:45] <BluesKaj> Jucato , londondave ,  "xinit: connection refused (error111) unable to connect to x server"
[03:45] <_Shade_> xsacha so is there a chance to get it work in edgy? I've tried to install the ati software but the x server doesn't start after this trial
[03:45] <xsacha> _Shade_: Here is a video (on youtube) of someone with ubuntu XGL + beryl + gnome on a Radeon mobility 7500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkImJYysEo&search=aiglx%20xgl%20compiz%20beryl
[03:46] <londondave> BluesKaj, was that from a reboot
[03:47] <BluesKaj> that was after installing kubuntu-desktop and python-qt3 and pytho-kde3 ..at the start prompt ,
[03:47] <BluesKaj> yes a reboot
[03:48] <BluesKaj> err python-kde3
[03:48] <ravaria> there is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it??
[03:48] <Jucato> BluesKaj: have you tried doing dist-upgrade again? some things might still be held back. if they are, you could try "sudo aptitude dist-ugprade" this time (that worked for me...)
[03:48] <_Shade_> xsacha could you suggest some good how-to please, because i did not manage to get it work on edgy last time
[03:49] <hazard2> why does it take an eternity for desktop pictures to load?
[03:49] <londondave> BluesKaj, did you install the python packages
[03:49] <xsacha> which method are you using? aiglx or xgl?
[03:49] <BluesKaj> yes londondave , I did
[03:49] <xsacha> for xgl you will need to use much older drivers because the latest fglrx propietry drivers will not support old cards
[03:50] <londondave> BluesKaj, so you installed the two: qt3 and kde3
[03:50] <BluesKaj> yes londondave
[03:50] <hazard2> what is qt3?
[03:50] <londondave> BluesKaj, ok type startx
[03:50] <blackflag> hello all :)
[03:51] <blackflag> I have a problem with kdeprint
[03:51] <BluesKaj> tried that , doesn't  see X
[03:51] <_Shade_> xsacha where can i get these then?
[03:51] <blackflag> kdeprint is loosing my usb printer
[03:51] <Jucato> hazard2: Qt is the toolkit that KDE uses, just like GNOME uses GTK. qt3 is the version used in the KDE 3 series
[03:51] <blackflag> when i do lsusb the printer is there but not in kde print
[03:51] <ravaria> there is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it??
[03:51] <blackflag> can someone help?
[03:51] <BluesKaj> londondave , this is the message i get at startx : "xinit: connection refused (error111) unable to connect to x server"
[03:52] <xsacha> _Shade_: xgl method? you'll need to go to ati site and click their link for "older drivers"
[03:52] <Jucato> BluesKaj: some packages might still have been held back...
[03:52] <londondave> BluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says
[03:52] <xsacha> _Shade_: or perhaps you will find a deb package for them -- try google
[03:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: btw, there's a command line IRC program you might be interested in. it's installed by default on Ubuntu/Kubuntu. "irssi"
[03:53] <ravaria> there is a sort of comando to see whats happenig with the router... someone can tell me how is it?? it is simethig like ?????router
[03:53] <ravaria> I don't remember
[03:53] <_Shade_> xsacha ok thanks... and one more thing: i heard that fglrx doesn't support composite. Is it true?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> yes I've used it ...ok I'll communicate thru irssi
[03:53] <BluesKaj> brb
[03:54] <Jucato> londondave: yay. it will be easier for both of you to communicate :)
[03:55] <Das_Ei> ey
[03:55] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:55] <Das_Ei> can anyone help?
[03:56] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:56] <Das_Ei> can anyone help?
[03:57] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:57] <Das_Ei> have problems with nicotine....
[03:57] <xsacha> _Shade_: yes
[03:57] <Das_Ei> can anyone help?
[03:57] <B-Minus> ask it 40 more times
[03:57] <Das_Ei> funny thanks
[03:58] <_Shade_> xsacha oh that
[03:58] <_Shade_> s
[03:58] <_Shade_> xsacha oh that's too bad :(
[03:59] <_Shade_> xsacha and there's no way to get it work eh?
[03:59] <hazard2> anyone have any idea why my KDE desktop occosonally decides to hide all the icons?
[04:00] <BluesKaj> londondave: ls-lh/etc/X11/X , "no such file or directory"
[04:01] <hazard2> you need spaces
[04:01] <xsacha> _Shade_: ATI give very very bad driver support, they are real slackers .. all my cards are unfortunately ATI too :(
[04:01] <hazard2> and /etc/X11/X is a file
[04:01] <xsacha> open source drivers are slower but better support
[04:02] <BluesKaj> quit
[04:02] <londondave> BluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says-there needs to be a space between the h and /
[04:02] <_Shade_> xsacha well i got that card from my friend because i was using nvidia recently... but it was riva tnt2 :)
[04:02] <BluesKaj> I'm in irssi shell, how do i open another one ?
[04:03] <_Shade_> xsacha btw: there's no "older drivers" section on their site
[04:03] <londondave> BluesKaj, type ls -lh /etc/X11/X and tell me what is says-there needs to be a space between the h and /
[04:03] <xsacha> it should be in the download section of newer drivers, a link for older cards
[04:04] <xsacha> i cant link to it because of their 'leeching' page
[04:05] <xsacha> argh their site seems to have changed recently.. all this amd stuff, links are broken everywhere
[04:06] <_Shade_> xsacha i can't find it there neither - there's no any link to an older ones
[04:06] <xsacha> _Shade_: go to the link for radeon 8500+ drivers and it will have a link for older cards that aren tsupported
[04:06] <xsacha> on the download page
[04:06] <office2> hello :)
[04:07] <xsacha> _Shade_: "As of driver version 8.29.6 support for the following products is no longer included:" .... "Users with these products should use driver version 8.28.8"[link here!] 
[04:08] <xsacha> _Shade_: then on the right hand side it will have link to other 'related' drivers, click on the oldest one.. i think this one supports your card?
[04:09] <xsacha> sorry, your card isnt on support list :( have to try google then :(
[04:09] <_Shade_> xsacha ah i haven't clicked the last link because i thought it is a direct download url, sorry :)
[04:10] <xsacha> _Shade_: ATI site links to: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ :(
[04:13] <_Shade_> xsacha so i can't download the proper driver?
[04:13] <xsacha> those drivers come with edgy, _Shade_.. if you choose to use the open source drivers -- check if they give you 3d acceleration
[04:13] <xsacha> seems you cant
[04:14] <Das_Ei> how can i track the connection?
[04:14] <Das_Ei> a connection may i say
[04:14] <_Shade_> xsacha well maybe it's somewhere else on the net...
[04:15] <xsacha> apparently they never made 3d drivers for that card?
[04:16] <xsacha> although, the open source drivers seem to work very well on that card
[04:16] <toke> Here I am again !
[04:17] <toke> I have a question: I try to open /home/toke/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Steam in console
[04:17] <_Shade_> xsacha but i can't run xgl on it?
[04:17] <toke> but because of the space between Program and Files, it gives an error that the folder doesnt exists
[04:17] <_Shade_> xsacha i mean the open drivers
[04:17] <xsacha> well there was a video on youtube of someone with it, so yeah you should be able to
[04:18] <Jucato> toke: try Tab completion... type in Program, the press Tab
[04:18] <Jucato> very handy in Konsole
[04:19] <toke> thank you very much.. that's the thing i needed :D I need to fill in /Program\ Files/
[04:19] <_Shade_> xsacha well does it matter to bother with the proprietary drivers then ? :)
[04:20] <xsacha> naah dont bother with them
[04:20] <_Shade_> xsacha can you point any good info about how to set them up?
[04:21] <xsacha> there's 1000s of howtos now :P im sure there is one specific to your card too, check google
[04:21] <_Shade_> all i know is the "proprietary" howto :)
[04:21] <xsacha> also, join the #beryl channel
[04:22] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[04:25] <_Shade_> xsacha i have one more idea... i could use a script like easyubuntu/automatix or stuff... i'm not sure if they work though
[04:25] <dinosaur-rus> I'm confused - when ordered CDs arrived, I saw " 5.00" in "Total waarde" column... :S
[04:26] <Conhe> how-to runnig aplication in cobol ?
[04:26] <Conhe> how-to runnig aplication maked  cobol ?
[04:26] <xsacha> _Shade_: thing is, they never *ever* made a driver for it.. only option is open source
[04:27] <_Shade_> ah i c
[04:27] <monad> hi, since upgrading to dapper, i'm having trouble compiling opengl programs, i get f.e. freeglut Unable to create direct context rendering for window
[04:30] <_Shade_> xsacha http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide the first position there... is it an 'open' way ?
[04:30] <monad> seems it's looking for gl.h which doesn't seem to exist
[04:31] <xsacha> both are closed way _Shade_
[04:31] <_Shade_> dang
[04:31] <jende> Jucato: Hey, my friend have you ever experienced that once you're booting the DD Live CD that everything works fine until DD wants to set up the desktop?
[04:32] <xsacha> if they mention fglrx, it's closed.. that's ati's driver and doesnt work with your card
[04:32] <Jucato> jende: nope... they worked fine for me
[04:32] <jende> Jucato: damn it...just trying to set up a DD for my boy on a P3 and it just wont
[04:33] <Jucato> jende: but that CD worked perfectly before?
[04:33] <BluesKaj> hiyas jende
[04:33] <xdemon> when edgy release?
[04:33] <jende> Jucato: havent tested it - will test it quickly here on my notebook, will be back shortly
[04:34] <londondave> can anyone play flv flash video in edgy?
[04:34] <Jucato> xdemon: Oct 26
[04:34] <jende> xdemon: tomorrow
[04:34] <Jucato> jende: sure thing
[04:34] <_Shade_> xsacha maybe i should just re-install my kubuntu os and there would be the drivers fron scratch?
[04:34] <xdemon> oh... i download RC
[04:35] <dinosaur-rus> is there any way to detect what Kubuntu version (Knot 1, Knot 2, RC, etc.) is installed?
[04:35] <londondave> Dink,
[04:35] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[04:36] <scheuri> hi all
[04:36] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: thx
[04:36] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: it will tell you if you're Dapper or Edgy only, though
[04:36] <xsacha> _Shade_: i guess.. you could then just install beryl and type in "beryl" and it'd just work.. just che: glxinfo | grep direct
[04:36] <londondave> dinosaur-rus, kcontrol normally shows what you a running
[04:36] <BluesKaj> here's what I got from the ls -lh /etcX11/X command, londondave : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-10-24 19:00 /etc/X11/X -> /bin/true
[04:36] <Jucato> londondave: not the distribution, though
[04:36] <xsacha> oh and get emerald as well for the window decorations
[04:36] <londondave> Jucato, yes just checked only the kernel
[04:37] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: do betas, RCs and final versions differ in packages versions only?
[04:37] <_Shade_> xsacha ok i will... thanks for your patience pal :)
[04:37] <londondave> BluesKaj, then X is not installed
[04:37] <xsacha> _Shade_: if you get any problems getting beryl to work straight off, come in #beryl and we'll work thru it :)
[04:37] <BluesKaj> ok londondave , what's next ?
[04:38] <xsacha> it's still alpha and may have a few problems but most can be fixed
[04:38] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: Edgy betas and RC's will still be Edgy. they sometimes differ in package versions, sometimes not. the Beta/RC are just sort of timeline stops...
[04:38] <_Shade_> xsacha ok thanks mate
[04:38] <ohmbr> how do i change a icon of a sh file?
[04:38] <londondave> BluesKaj, its should have installed X when you installed kubuntu-desktop I will check
[04:39] <_Shade_> take care y'all
[04:39] <BluesKaj> how do i open another shell in irssi without the GUI ?
[04:40] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: thx again
[04:42] <BluesKaj> or how do i get back to the start prompt without leaving the chat ?
[04:43] <reon> How do I restore Edgy to it's original state after I have played around with it's appearance
[04:43] <Jucato> reon: most drastic one: delete the ~/.kde directory
[04:44] <londondave> BluesKaj, install xorg and see what it wants to install-hopefully it will install the lot
[04:44] <Jucato> but this will also remove some data from apps, like cookies,  mails, bookmarks, etc
[04:44] <Jucato> BluesKaj: open another terminal, press Ctrl+Alt+F2
[04:44] <jende> Jucato: weird, works fine on both NB's
[04:44] <CVirus> Jucato: I wouldnt recommend that .... mv ~/.kde ~/.oldkde .... he might have E-mails or important things there .. you never know
[04:44] <reon> Jucato: I suppose upon restart it will be restored to it's correct state ?
[04:44] <BluesKaj> ok , londondave , how do i stay in irssi and still run from the prompt ?
[04:45] <Jucato> CVirus: heh that's why I said it was "drastic"
[04:45] <Jucato> BluesKaj: Ctrl+Alt+F2 will give you another tty
[04:45] <reon> BluesKaj, it's ok as it's a fresh install, I only have a few konq bookmarks
[04:45] <CVirus> Jucato: didnt notice that
[04:45] <Jucato> Ctrl+Atl+F1-6 gives you about 6 terminals to use
[04:46] <Jucato> jende_: so it won't work only on your boy's PC?
[04:46] <jende_> Jucato: yep
[04:46] <Jucato> :(
[04:50] <PiR> hi
[04:51] <PiR> i've a pb with my printer
[04:51] <PiR> in windows : no pb all right
[04:51] <PiR> but in kubuntu
[04:51] <PiR> when i want to print
[04:51] <PiR> the printer give empty page
[04:51] <PiR> empty pages
[04:52] <PiR> and doesn't stop
[04:52] <PiR> i have to stop manualy my printer
[04:52] <PiR> how can i configure my printer ?
[04:53] <CVirus> PiR: press alt + f2 and type kprinter and hit enter
[04:56] <PiR> thanks
[05:01] <sebsebseb> Hi
[05:01] <sebsebseb> I got Ubuntu and Kubuntu here
[05:01] <sebsebseb> and it uses the Gnome Display Manager
[05:01] <sebsebseb> however well
[05:01] <sebsebseb> When it opens up the GDM  it gives me this message:  The greeter application appears to be crashing.  Attempting to use another one.  Then now well I got the default theme again ;)  ,but it seems to not be disaplying quite right.   When I log out of KDE I get this: The application The KDE Session Manager (ksmserver) crashed and caused the signal 11, (SIGSEGV)
[05:02] <sebsebseb> yeah  I just had to change the theme didn't I,  I regret this now, because of the problems
[05:02] <SHRIKEE> ?
[05:02] <sebsebseb> GDM and KDM are pretty much the same thing?  maybe I should just change to KDM
[05:02] <sebsebseb> ,but anyone know how to fix the above problems?
[05:03] <SHRIKEE> Gnome and KDE you mean
[05:03] <sebsebseb> no
[05:03] <sebsebseb> Gnome Display Manager and K Display Manager
[05:03] <sebsebseb> the log in thing
[05:03] <sebsebseb> into Ubuntu/Kubuntu etc
[05:03] <dinosaur-rus> anyone uses Opera's e-mail client on Yahoo! account?
[05:04] <SHRIKEE> oh, i dont know about that, sebsebseb
[05:04] <sebsebseb> Yahoo sucks , but that's another story
[05:04] <SHRIKEE> why does yahoo suck
[05:04] <sebsebseb> ,because they are arse holes,  I used to be rather loyal to them and use them for my emails,  but well
[05:04] <v3ctor> yahoomail doesn't support pop
[05:04] <SHRIKEE> ...
[05:04] <SHRIKEE> yahoo does
[05:04] <SHRIKEE> but not for free acounts
[05:05] <v3ctor> who would pay for yahoo mail ;)
[05:05] <SHRIKEE> i dont know
[05:05] <SHRIKEE> but thats how it is
[05:05] <sebsebseb> one night I changed my password,  and that was it,  coudn't remember it so,  carn't get into that account anymore.  I contacted them  many times, and loads of auto shit,  and then once I got a email from a real person,  but it was only to copmplain that I hadn't put my date of birthd exactly as my profile,  you know there are differnet ways to put a dob
[05:05] <sebsebseb> so conclusion Yahoo are fucks
[05:06] <v3ctor> there is a tool that will download your yahoo mail and allow you to access it via local mail client
[05:06] <sebsebseb> Hell even Hotmail has better suppourt than Yahoo
[05:06] <SHRIKEE> sebsebseb, dont be so silly to fill in the wrong b-day then
[05:06] <dinosaur-rus> well, may be someone knows how to delete Yahoo! mail account by not waiting until it gets deleted for inactivity?
[05:06] <SHRIKEE> also there this option to retrieve the password
[05:06] <sebsebseb> no I put in my dob
[05:06] <sebsebseb> just not the way they wanted it
[05:07] <SHRIKEE> anyway, were not here to discuss the yahoo suckage
[05:07] <sebsebseb> dinosaur-rus:  Gmail is pretty good as in Google Mail
[05:08] <SHRIKEE> <3
[05:08] <dinosaur-rus> sebsebseb: I had to create that account due to e-mail delivery confusion on one site. now I want to delete it, but dunno how
[05:09] <sebsebseb> dionsuar-rus:  surely you can just stop using the account,  and get some other email account?
[05:09] <SHRIKEE> if such options is there it would be hidding in the options panel or perhaps in the profile editing thing
[05:09] <SHRIKEE> im off for a bit
[05:10] <dinosaur-rus> sebsebseb: well, just didn't want for several months until it gets deleted :))
[05:10] <sebsebseb> HOw do I change from the GDM to KDM?
[05:10] <sebsebseb> or
[05:10] <sebsebseb> how do I fix this?
[05:10] <sebsebseb> When it opens up the GDM  it gives me this message:  The greeter application appears to be crashing.  Attempting to use another one.  Then now well I got the default theme again ;)  ,but it seems to not be disaplying quite right.   When I log out of KDE I get this: The application The KDE Session Manager (ksmserver) crashed and caused the signal 11, (SIGSEGV)
[05:11] <dennister> |lostbyte|: hi. u busy? I've only got a minute
[05:11] <dennister> hello all
[05:12] <dennister> question: are most people here using the ubuntu repositories, or the kubuntu stable ones?
[05:14] <dinosaur-rus> dennister: I'm using main, restricted, universe and multiverse repositories
[05:14] <dennister> dinosaur-rus: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:15] <dennister> and which version of kde?
[05:17] <norman> this is makaveli the last don
[05:17] <dennister> I can't believe i didn't find the kubuntu repositories until today...perhaps because I started out with the ubuntu lamp server, then added desktops on top of it
[05:18] <dennister> so most of my repositories are still for ubuntu...it's confusing: when to use ubuntu and when kubuntu
[05:19] <sebsebseb> kubuntu has it's own resporitoires?
[05:19] <sebsebseb> and Ubuntu has it's own
[05:19] <sebsebseb> and I got both Ubuntu was there first
[05:19] <sebsebseb> then I put KDE Kbuntu
[05:19] <dennister> has anyone done a chroot environment for 32-bit apps on a amd64-bit platform? I'm really struggling with java
[05:19] <sebsebseb> so your saying my Kubuntu won't be exactly like the other one?
[05:20] <dennister> sebsebseb: yes, kubuntu has repositories of its own apparently...i just added it and got my kde upgraded to stable 3.5.5
[05:20] <petter> hey
[05:21] <dennister> sebsebseb: i'm not sure which kubuntu you have, and which one you're comparing it to
[05:21] <sebsebseb> well I just had Ubuntu
[05:21] <sebsebseb> and installed kubuntu-desktop
[05:21] <dennister> and u probably have kde 3.5.2, right?
[05:21] <dennister> that's the kde version available from ubuntu repositories, anyway
[05:22] <dinosaur-rus> dennister: Kubuntu Edgy
[05:22] <dennister> dinosaur-rus: ok...i'm using dapper
[05:23] <dennister> anyone done a chroot environment?  i need the right sun-java...and the farthest i got was some java applets on firefox working...but then it would crash firefox itself
[05:24] <dennister> sun java is seemingly as difficult as the ivtv drivers :(
[05:25] <dinosaur-rus> how to disable Adept tray notification?
[05:26] <BluesKaj> success! ...back in X!
[05:26] <dennister> congrats BluesKaj
[05:27] <BluesKaj> thx dennister
[05:27] <oliver> Stairs
[05:27] <oliver> whjere are the staitrs
[05:27] <oliver> I cant find the stairs
[05:27] <BluesKaj> on yer right
[05:27] <dennister> hey tony_ welcome neighbour
[05:27] <Lynoure> oliver: apt-cache search stairs
[05:27] <Lynoure> :)
[05:27] <oliver> :)
[05:28] <tony__> how can i unlock my adept.. ? for some reason , vmware player trying to install, but during intall , it crashes my system
[05:29] <oliver> how do you mean unlock
[05:29] <dennister> tony_ look for your apt's cache directory
[05:29] <oliver> *what do you mena
[05:29] <oliver> *ean
[05:29] <v3ctor> ps -ef|grep adept
[05:29] <tony__> when i enter the adept, i get the message saying , is locked and i can not update , upgrade , is been used by other process , user
[05:29] <v3ctor> see if it is still running
[05:30] <oliver> grep | blond | mount
[05:30] <oliver> much more fun
[05:30] <oliver> *blonde
[05:30] <dennister> tony_ close the other program
[05:30] <tony__> once, i entered someting like this in .. --configure -a . .but i don't remember the first command.
[05:30] <tony__> i rebooted the system , but still get the same thing
[05:31] <dennister> hmmm...try looking in apt's cache...see if the broken package is there and delete it
[05:31] <trappist> !adept-crash-fix
[05:31] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and you're left with a locked database, try typing this in a terminal (such as Konsole):  "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[05:31] <dennister> thx trappist
[05:31] <tony__> dose kubuntu need any vmware to run ???
[05:32] <dinosaur-rus> !adept-tray
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-tray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <dennister> I don't have vmware
[05:32] <dinosaur-rus> !adept tray
[05:32] <dennister> kubunt runs fine
[05:32] <trappist> dinosaur-rus: try uninstalling adept-notifier
[05:32] <tony__> no idea whay there are many vmware has been installed :|
[05:32] <tony__> got to stop and start x .. be right back
[05:32] <trappist> of course that will take adept with it
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> trappist: I'm afraid it'll take other packages out :))
[05:33] <trappist> dinosaur-rus: you should be able to right-click the icon and shut adept_notifier down, and when you do it should ask if you want it to start automatically next time
[05:34] <dinosaur-rus> trappist: ty, will try that later
[05:35] <tony__> damn. my adept still locked. and i can not make any changes to packages ..
[05:35] <tony__> :(:(:(
[05:35] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[05:36] <tony__> how can i kill adept process .. ? i have no permission to do so
[05:36] <B-Minus> tony__: run adept with root
[05:36] <Pupeno_> does anybody know how do I connect to a NT domain to be able to access some shares ?
[05:36] <dinosaur-rus> tony__: sudo kill adept_manager ?
[05:36] <B-Minus> kdesu Adept
[05:36] <dinosaur-rus> *killall
[05:37] <dennister> Pupeno_: do u have samba installed?
[05:37] <Pupeno_> dennister: yes.
[05:37] <B-Minus> Pupeno_: download smb4k
[05:37] <B-Minus> its a gui
[05:37] <B-Minus> it automaticaly mounts shares
[05:37] <B-Minus> using samba
[05:38] <Pupeno_> B-Minus: in what repo is it ?
[05:39] <dennister> gottago pps...perhaps later someone can help me with java & chroot
[05:41] <B-Minus> Pupeno_: i think universe
[05:41] <B-Minus> or multiverse
[05:41] <B-Minus> dunno
[05:42] <tony__> damn. i cann't remove vmware .. using adept. how else i can remove them , i get error
[05:42] <B-Minus> http://smb4k.berlios.de/
[05:42] <kraut> does anybody know, why i don't have any sound in ut2004?
[05:43] <hazard2> I vote gravity.
[05:44] <tony__> ok, i removed almost all vmware, but vmware-player , is set to upgradable, is not being removed..
[05:44] <hazard2> try purging?
[05:44] <tony__> i did , but keeps getting error.
[05:44] <tony__> will try again
[05:45] <hazard2> maybe its in use by someting somehow?
[05:45] <tony__> got the error saying , there was an error commiting changes. .....
[05:45] <hazard2> yea, that's about it.
[05:45] <hazard2> what's the package name?
[05:45] <tony__> there was many vmwares but i did manage to remove them ..
[05:45] <hazard2> (the LITERAL name)
[05:45] <tony__> vmware-player
[05:46] <tony__> is set to upgradable
[05:46] <hazard2> if you try using apt-get remove from the command line to remove that package, it might give a more...useful error
[05:46] <hazard2> apt-get remove vmware-player
[05:46] <hazard2> sudo
[05:46] <hazard2> (before it)
[05:46] <tony__> because of that package , i can not upgrade nor install anything from adept
[05:46] <hazard2> I see...
[05:48] <tony__> cant do that either using sudo apt-get remove
[05:48] <tony__> i get error were encountered while processing
[05:50] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: do 'sudo apt-get remove vmware-player' and pastebin the error
[05:50] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin
[05:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:50] <hazard2> is the error diffrent?
[05:50] <hazard2> yea, that's what I was going for.
[05:50] <hazard2> listen to bonbonthejon, he probably has sleep.
[05:50] <BonBonTheJon> yup
[05:50] <hazard2> And I'm...umm....a hazard.
[05:50] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: late night?
[05:51] <hazard2> calc test this morning, never sleep good before those.
[05:51] <hazard2> (coupled with a new roomate means spotty sleep from midnight to 6)
[05:51] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: what school do you go to
[05:51] <hazard2> You could tell by my IP.
[05:52] <BonBonTheJon> ok
[05:52] <hazard2> that IP should resolve to some sillyly long DNS name .uml.edu
[05:53] <tony__> forget it ,will install window .. done with linux..
[05:53] <hazard2> Awww!
[05:53] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: what is your problem
[05:53] <hazard2> Windows does dozens more things more annoying than linux.
[05:53] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: the ip doesnt resolve
[05:54] <Galathalion> i need a good ftpklient
[05:54] <hazard2> vmware-player won't uninstall
[05:54] <tony__> yes
[05:54] <|lostbyte|> Galathalion, konqueror
[05:54] <tony__> and i can not do upgrade or instll other stuff
[05:54] <hazard2> meh, either way its umass lowell.
[05:54] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: I just looked it up
[05:55] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: pastebin the error so we can help out
[05:55] <tony__> i can't
[05:55] <hazard2> Why?
[05:55] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: why not
[05:56] <tony__> thanks for the help.. im done with linux.. atleast for now ..
[05:56] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: you can dual boot linux and windows
[05:56] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: that way you can try it out
[05:56] <tony__> i have .
[05:57] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: so why can't you pastebin
[05:57] <tony__> but wanted linux to be the only one. but with all this problmes i m having.. hehhehe, i guess i better off with OS , that i know more
[05:58] <tony__> vmware -player stops upgrading, becuase it stops on end user licence and i can not click the OK button .
[05:58] <hazard2> I hate windows, windows does so many things I don't want it to do, and there is *NO* way to have it stop having a little mind of its own.
[05:58] <tony__> thus , vmware player never ends up getting updated..
[05:58] <hazard2> at least with linux I can easily delete|remove|murder|reconfigure|make-not-run whatever bothers me
[05:58] <tony__> nor adept can remove it from upgrade or remove it completly
[05:58] <xsacha> recompile :D
[05:58] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: are you updating adept or apt-get
[05:58] <|lostbyte|> tony__, You bought the software ?
[05:59] <tony__> no
[05:59] <tony__> downloaded
[05:59] <|lostbyte|> k, why do you want vmware ?
[05:59] <tony__> i don't
[06:00] <sebsebseb> How do I customize the KDM (Kubuntu log into account program)
[06:00] <tony__> for some reason they are installed and vmware player marked for upgrade
[06:00] <sebsebseb> ?
[06:00] <hazard2> not to sound like an idiot, but why did it get installed?
[06:00] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: pastebin the error and we can try to help
[06:00] <hazard2> and to sound even more like an idiot, what is vmware?
[06:00] <|lostbyte|> sebsebseb, kcontrol.
[06:00] <BonBonTheJon> hazard2: lol
[06:00] <tony__> BonBonTheJon thanks.. ,
[06:00] <BonBonTheJon> !vmware
[06:00] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[06:00] <sebsebseb> VMware is a virtual machine program that allows you to run more than one operating system inside an operating system
[06:01] <|lostbyte|> !vmware
[06:01] <sebsebseb> VMware Player sucks you would want Server
[06:01] <Furesho> okay. maybe someone knows today..... how do i upgrade from FF1.5.0.7 to FF2?
[06:01] <|lostbyte|> oppz.
[06:01] <hazard2> o.O I see....
[06:01] <tony__> i don't want vmware, im not sure how they eneded up installing on my system :|
[06:01] <sebsebseb> kcontrol yo umean system settings.   I been in there and looked and find nothing about it
[06:02] <tony__> i just can't pass the END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT
[06:02] <tony__> LOL
[06:02] <|lostbyte|> Furesho, the package ant yet there.
[06:02] <BonBonTheJon> sebsebseb: I think you need to install a package to get to the KDM stuff
[06:02] <sebsebseb> oh
[06:02] <BonBonTheJon> sebsebseb: search adept for kdm
[06:02] <sebsebseb> I got KDM installed
[06:02] <sebsebseb> now I Just want to customize it
[06:02] <sebsebseb> or go back to GDM :)
[06:03] <BonBonTheJon> sebsebseb: there is a plugin for kcontrol to change KDM
[06:03] <sebsebseb> I am only trying KDM now,  because of problems with GDM
[06:03] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: can you PM me
[06:03] <sebsebseb> kcontrol where is that?  or I need to install it?
[06:03] <|lostbyte|> sebsebseb, kcontrol > system administration > login manager
[06:04] <tony__> how do i pm you bonbon
[06:04] <tony__> :)
[06:04] <|lostbyte|> sebsebseb, right_click desktop > run > kcontrol
[06:04] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: are you in konversation
[06:04] <tony__> yes
[06:04] <hazard2> can k3b burn an image over data already on a CDRW without erasing it first? (a better question would be will it know to erase the disk first?)
[06:04] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: right click on my name and click query
[06:05] <hazard2> unless tony_ is a registered nick, I don't think that he can.
[06:05] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: you might not be able to
[06:05] <|lostbyte|> hazard2, yes, its in the tools option.
[06:05] <tony__> right, i can not send you PM
[06:05] <hazard2> lostbyte: where...is the tools?
[06:05] <sebsebseb> carn't seem to find kcontrol  I guess it's not instaled or something
[06:05] <tony__> but realy , thanks for the help .. will sort this thing somehow
[06:05] <hazard2> There's so many thingies....
[06:06] <hazard2> whcih do...things....
[06:06] <TheGateKeeper> sebsebseb: Run Command.. kcontrol
[06:06] <trappist> sebsebseb: you cen just run kcontrol from the command line, but mostly it's replaced by systemsettings so they don't put it in the menu
[06:06] <|lostbyte|> hazard2, on the main menu, right on top.
[06:06] <trappist> s/cen/can/
[06:06] <hazard2> OH RIGHt...that menu
[06:06] <hazard2> duh
[06:07] <tony__> can i reintsall ubuntu without formating linux partition and stuff .. ????
[06:08] <hazard2> Umm....you should....be able to....
[06:08] <BonBonTheJon> tony__: it will reformat, but it shouldn't change anything
[06:08] <MidMark> does kubuntu edgy works with mac-intel?
[06:08] <sebsebseb> I already been in there,  and I thought login manager that's not it,  that's the Splash screen when KDE is loading.
[06:08] <tony__> or better yet, can i reinstall other linux version withought formating
[06:08] <sebsebseb> I am on about the first thing that people get before they even say load KDE
[06:08] <abattoir> MidMark: yup, it does
[06:08] <hazard2> if you delete all the stuff on the drive I think so
[06:08] <sebsebseb> where they put in the password and username for the account
[06:08] <MidMark> abattoir: the 32 bit normal version will work?
[06:09] <|lostbyte|> tony__, You will need to have a linux partiiton, and space.
[06:09] <hazard2> boot from the cd, then get to a command line and have it mount the primary linux harddrive partition and delete everything
[06:09] <abattoir> MidMark: yes, it should
[06:09] <MidMark> also dapper works on a mac-intel?
[06:09] <tony__> i have linux partition and swap file ..
[06:09] <tony__> just matter of reinstalling OS in the same place .. and hope that fix the problme.
[06:09] <tony__> this would be my 6 times of installation . lol. mastering the linux instalation ..
[06:10] <TheGateKeeper> tony__: you can install loads of different linux distro onto the same hdd using different partitions, but you may have to go & manually edit menu.list
[06:10] <carsten> Moin, can somebody reproduce this OpenOffice bug? (crash) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/68219
[06:10] <trappist> ok I'm very confused.  Sometimes I have tab-close buttons on all my tabs, and sometimes only on the active tab.  in firefox.  any guesses why?
[06:11] <hazard2> tony_: I've gone though that sequence (installing borking and reinstalling linux and windows) so many times
[06:11] <tony__> yes.. im not good with liux yet as you can see, just one linux would be fine.. wanted to cross over from window to linux but with all problmes ,im having , i have sencond thoughts
[06:11] <MidMark> hazard2: because you have too many tabs
[06:11] <trappist> ah ha.  they go away when I have 8 or more tabs
[06:11] <|lostbyte|> trappist, you have installed that extention.
[06:11] <MidMark> sorry trappist
[06:11] <hazard2> I think my favriote time was the time I deleted the sudo command on a machine with no 'real' root account.
[06:12] <trappist> the only tab-related extension I have is tab mix plus, and it's disabled
[06:12] <|lostbyte|> lol :)
[06:12] <hazard2> Or one of the times I creatively locked myself out of windows with no way to fix it (that's happened several times actually).
[06:12] <tony__> do you know of a site that describes all linux distro with link to downlaod ?? i used to go to linuxiso.org, but they seems to be down for long time
[06:12] <hazard2> (playing with gpedit.msc group policies is bad)
[06:12] <|lostbyte|> tony_, distrowatch.com
[06:13] <|lostbyte|> tony__, ^^
[06:13] <tony__> thanks.. will take a look at it now
[06:13] <Hawkwind> trappist: I use swiftfox with tab mix plus and I have 18 tabs open and all have the close X button :)
[06:13] <hazard2> with k3b what's the diffrence between the 'writing modes'?
[06:14] <|lostbyte|> tony__, ubuntu / kubuntu is the best OS. Just wait till tomm. and the 6.10 ver will be out. Download and install it.
[06:15] <tony__> one too many distro.. for linux..
[06:16] <hazard2> that's why its great!
[06:16] <tony__> what soo great about it .. if you don't mind me asking
[06:18] <|lostbyte|> tony__, Whats not greate about it ? Once setup properly, you will never have to reinstall.
[06:18] <tony__> i mean what soo great about having too many distro
[06:19] <|lostbyte|> tony__, Choices, You have choices..
[06:19] <BluesKaj> so |lostbyte|, tomorrow i just need to do a sudo aptitude dist-upgrade to get the "official edgy 6.10" release , since i'm running the latest edgy release right now ?
[06:19] <trappist> tony__: if you don't like one, use another
[06:19] <eltese> Hi ! =) Where do I change my keyboard language? Cant find it :(
[06:19] <D4rkly> has anyone got ventrilo working ?
[06:19] <Hawkwind> eltese: You can do it in kcontrol or systemsettings
[06:20] <sebsebseb> leaving
[06:20] <tony__> they all the same .. :) , with new problmes, and some short comming that microsoft love to see
[06:20] <sebsebseb> leaving
[06:20] <sebsebseb> gone
[06:20] <eltese> Hawkwind: where in system settings?
[06:20] <|lostbyte|> BluesKaj, yes, do the aptitude upgrade first.
[06:20] <BluesKaj> eltese, Regional & Language
[06:20] <Hawkwind> eltese: Regional & Accessibility ?
[06:20] <eltese> thanks =)
[06:21] <gsuveg> re
[06:21] <gsuveg> i have problem with /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/guidance-power-manager.py
[06:21] <gsuveg> [18:18]  <gsuveg> dont detect my batterys
[06:21] <gsuveg> [18:18]  <gsuveg> acpi -t show correctly the data
[06:21] <gsuveg> [18:18]  <gsuveg> any idea for debug ?
[06:21] <gsuveg> sry for cross post ;)
[06:21] <D4rkly> does anyone know how to get ventrilo working ?
[06:21] <Hawkwind> gsuveg: Dapper or Edgy ?
[06:21] <gsuveg> edgy
[06:21] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: Please don't repeate your questions ever 3 minutes
[06:22] <Hawkwind> gsuveg: I don't use Edgy on my main box, but have you tried asking in the Edgy channel, #Ubuntu+1 ?
[06:22] <gsuveg> Hawkwind: ok. in not a newbie
[06:22] <gsuveg> thanks anyway
[06:23] <joakim> hi
[06:24] <joakim> mu Logitech dont work in my Kubuntu Edgy. How can i fix it ?
[06:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about xubuntu.. if i want to try it starting from kubuntu... is it possible?
[06:24] <Hawkwind> Tallia1Kubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:24] <Hawkwind> Tallia1Kubuntu: Once installed, then you will be able to select Xfce from your GUI login manager
[06:25] <joakim> my Logitech mx 5000 dont work in my Kubuntu Edgy. How can i fix it ?
[06:26] <joakim> my Logitech mx 5000 dont work in my Kubuntu Edgy. How can i fix it ?
[06:27] <|lostbyte|> joakim, ask at #Ubuntu+1
[06:27] <Hawkwind> joakim: Please don't repeat your questions every minute
[06:27] <Hawkwind> joakim: Define doesn't work
[06:27] <tony__> anyone has experianced Open suse 10.1 ??? any idea about it
[06:27] <joakim> i use kubuntu dont ubuntu
[06:27] <fildo> hey how do i kill Xvnc
[06:28] <fildo> well stop service
[06:28] <Hawkwind> killall xvnc or something similar
[06:28] <Hawkwind> Or ps aux | grep <app>  and then kill the PID#'s
[06:28] <fildo> yah but see im getting some goon
[06:28] <fildo> trying to spoof my server thru xvnc
[06:29] <fildo> so i kill it, comes back up
[06:29] <fildo> etc
[06:29] <judgen> does kubuntu use the bittorrent package?
[06:29] <fildo> ktorrent
[06:29] <fildo> if not install it
[06:30] <Hawkwind> judgen: It can if you want to use it, yes
[06:30] <judgen> where can i check dependencies for ktorrent
[06:30] <Hawkwind> judgen: You're not forced to use ktorrent
[06:30] <Slynderdale> Kubuntu comes with bitorrent built in I believe, upon start up, it starts a bitorrent process
[06:30] <Hawkwind> judgen: packages.ubuntu.com might list all the deps
[06:30] <judgen> my ktorrent crashes every once and a while without any error message
[06:30] <Hawkwind> judgen: Do you have the latest ktorrent, 2.0.3 ?
[06:30] <judgen> does so on both my custom installed boxes
[06:35] <judgen> also azureus wont start
[06:35] <judgen> all i get is splash screen
[06:35] <judgen> any ideas?
[06:38] <|lostbyte|> judgen, sudo apt-get remove --purge ktorrent;sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[06:43] <foodcoman> Greetings
[06:43] <Hawkwind> Finally!  Swiftfox 2.0 deb packages have arrived :)
[06:44] <eltese> why wont my kubunt accept my language for keyboard?
[06:44] <eltese> Still got USA style :\
[06:49] <foodcoman> Oh man Splits are a pain.
[06:50] <scion> hello all
[06:51] <foodcoman> scion: What do you drive?
[06:52] <picarito> hi, where store the mails kmail ?
[06:53] <scion> nissan almera
[06:53] <scion> whay you ask foodcoman
[06:53] <scion> *why
[06:53] <tackat__> picarito: depends on your version of KDE
[06:54] <tackat__> picarito: usually that is .kde/share/apps/kmail
[06:54] <foodcoman> scion: I was wondering about your Nick is all?
[06:55] <Homer> can konq use flash 9?
[06:55] <foodcoman> scion: I think they look kinda neat
[06:56] <picarito> tackat: thanks
[06:57] <scion> foodcoman: personally i think they look a little "boxy"
[06:57] <foodcoman> scion: Yeah me too, but I appreciate function sometimes over cosmetics.
[06:58] <foodcoman> scion: Like Linux Konsole!  =)
[06:58] <scion> foodcoman: the tC is the only one of their range i would be seen in driving!
[06:58] <scion> konsole is ugly, aterm all the way
[06:59] <scion> foodcoman: http://www.bolicious.com/misc/show-tc-fix.jpg
[06:59] <foodcoman> Not many questions for help.  Not that I could answer any.
[07:00] <scion> now you have said something there will be a flood of ppl
[07:00] <foodcoman> I am going to join #kubuntu-offtopic for chatter.  OK?
[07:01] <B-Minus> how can i install a .deb file i downloaded ??
[07:01] <|lostbyte|> B-Minus, dpkg -i <file>.deb
[07:01] <B-Minus> tnx
[07:01] <scion> B-Minus: open a terminal
[07:01] <scion> |lostbyte| got there first!
[07:02] <abattoir> B-Minus: or right click on the file ->Actions->Install Package
[07:02] <foodcoman> Anyone have a busy Kubuntu/Ubuntu rss?
[07:03] <eddy> hi i can remove my panel to top on the screen. Whay it want to go top on the screen ?
[07:04] <abattoir> eddy: you mean it has moved to the top of the screen and you want to move it?
[07:04] <abattoir> eddy: you mean it has moved to the top of the screen and you want to move it?
[07:05] <eddy> yes
[07:05] <xsacha> yes eddy, go to Panels in Appearance
[07:05] <abattoir> eddy: click on an empty area there and drag it to where you want it
[07:05] <eddy> u go tol option on the panel and try to put i top on the screen but he dont remove to top :(
[07:05] <abattoir> eddy: Alternatively you can rt. click->Configure Panels->Appearance, and then choose where you want it
[07:06] <xsacha> Configure Panel->Arrangement works too in edgy, yeah
[07:06] <eddy> i use edgy
[07:06] <xsacha> good
[07:06] <B-Minus> tnx it worked
[07:08] <eddy> the one of panel remove to the top of the sreen but not the tool bar panel
[07:09] <Electrolyte> I think I'll use standard X until XGL is in stable areas.
[07:09] <xsacha> xgl is dying
[07:09] <Electrolyte> Just crashed, locking my system up - thank goodness I didn't lose the climate model I have running :/
[07:09] <xsacha> was only meant to be used for a little while in transition i think
[07:09] <scion> it is sooo over rated!
[07:09] <Electrolyte> I love the eye-candy, but I prefer stability over it.
[07:09] <xsacha> it's a hacky implementation that isnt needed now
[07:10] <xsacha> well some people need it
[07:11] <foodcoman> xsacha: What is next?
[07:11] <xsacha> drivers having inbuilt
[07:13] <eddy> hi go to this page http://bildr.no/view/16391  end see what i mean whit remove panel to the top og the  screen but it dont go to the top
[07:14] <abattoir> eddy: you want those icons in the bottom panel to go into the top panel?
[07:15] <eddy> yes
[07:15] <eddy> but it wont go to the top
[07:16] <abattoir> eddy: rt. click on the panel(the bottom one)->Remove from panel->Applet->Quick Launcher
[07:17] <abattoir> eddy: then rt. click on the top panel ->Add Applet to panel->Quick Launcher
[07:17] <eddy> i now but it wont not go to the top
[07:17] <abattoir> hi Hawkwind :)
[07:18] <abattoir> 'afternoon
[07:18] <Hawkwind> abattoir: How are ya today
[07:19] <swanfl> does anyone know if koffice 1.6 is available yet?
[07:19] <swanfl> if so, how do I get it?
[07:20] <Hawkwind> Yes
[07:20] <swanfl> yes to who, Hawkwind ?
[07:20] <Hawkwind> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16/ dapper main
[07:20] <swanfl> thanks buddy :)
[07:21] <B-Minus> is koffice better then openoffice ?
[07:21] <B-Minus> openoffice has very bad fonts it renders from itself or something
[07:21] <Electrolyte> That's one thing I don't like with openoffice.
[07:22] <Electrolyte> AA on the fonts even though it's off on my system.
[07:22] <swanfl> koffice isn't necessarily better than openoffice
[07:22] <swanfl> openoffice needs java for one
[07:22] <foodcoman> I like Open Orifice because its multi platform.
[07:22] <Hawkwind> B-Minus: Better is very subjective
[07:23] <Hawkwind> B-Minus: What might be better for us, might be horrible for you
[07:23] <B-Minus> ye
[07:23] <xsacha> KOffice cant open my microsoft office files, OpenOffice can..
[07:23] <Electrolyte> krita's data package is 28.9MB? Woah?
[07:23] <|lostbyte|> xsacha, openoffice can.
[07:23] <hazard2> I don't like either of them, they're both too big.
[07:23] <swanfl> hswk, isi t available for edgy?
[07:23] <hazard2> (me and my 4gb drive)
[07:23] <xsacha> thats what i said lostbyte..
[07:23] <swanfl> is it*
[07:24] <Hawkwind> swanfl: Yes
[07:24] <swanfl> Krita is a good competitor to the gimp
[07:24] <Electrolyte> dpkg
[07:24] <Electrolyte> Woops.
[07:24] <|lostbyte|> :P
[07:24] <swanfl> thanks Hawkwind
[07:25] <swanfl> Hawkwind, do I need the trailing / in the line in my sources .list?
[07:25] <xsacha> does it bother you? :P
[07:25] <Hawkwind> swanfl: Totally up to you
[07:26] <|lostbyte|> swanfl, both will do.
[07:26] <swanfl> ok, just making sure
[07:26] <swanfl> :)
[07:26] <swanfl> didn't want to mess up my sources.list :)
[07:27] <meik_> hallo an alle
[07:27] <londondave> anyone know why you can't play flash video files (flv) in mplayer or vlc in edgy?
[07:28] <BonBonTheJon> !de | meik_
[07:28] <ubotu> meik_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:28] <|lostbyte|> londondave, you get picture ?
[07:28] <londondave> |lostbyte|, what's that
[07:29] <|lostbyte|> londondave, Audio, vidoe ? both doest work ?
[07:29] <londondave> |lostbyte|, plays audio no video
[07:30] <swanfl> thanks Hawkwind I'm pulling it in now :)
[07:30] <|lostbyte|> londondave, mplayer -vc help | grep flv      ..?
[07:30] <Hawkwind> swanfl: No problem
[07:31] <swanfl> so any anticipated changes before it goes live tomorrow?
[07:31] <swanfl> edgy I mean
[07:31] <eddy> damn it dont work :-(
[07:32] <londondave> |lostbyte|, this is what it said: ffflv       ffmpeg    working   FFmpeg Flash video  [flv] 
[07:32] <|lostbyte|> londondave, sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[07:32] <Ash-Fox> While upgrading to edgy, I find I can't upgrade anymore
[07:32] <Ash-Fox> The following packages have been kept back: azureus gpredict hpijs kde-guidance libggi2 mplayer python-adns python-clientcookie python-crypto python-egenix-mxproxy python-egenix-mxstack python-egenix-mxtexttools python-egenix-mxtools python-gadfly python-htmlgen python-htmltmpl python-imaging python-imaging-sane python-jabber python-kde3 python-kjbuckets python-ldap python-mysqldb python-pam python-pexpect python-pgsql python-pylibacl
[07:32] <Ash-Fox> python-pyopenssl python-pyorbit python-pyxattr python-qt3 python-reportlab python-simpletal python-soappy python-sqlite python-syck python-xml python-xmpp xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-elographics xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[07:33] <draik> It's a wonderful day on network'hood, It's a wonderful day for my network.. won't you be my.. won't you be.. my peer!
[07:33] <trappist> Ash-Fox: try installing them individually, e.g. sudo apt-get install azureus
[07:33] <Ash-Fox> Not sure what todo here, since a wonderful dist-upgrade won't fix it. I suppose I would have to uninstall xserver-xorg manually and reinstall it (assuming that's what's holding back most of those packages)
[07:34] <londondave> |lostbyte|, its says I have the newest version of ffmpeg?
[07:34] <|lostbyte|> londondave, oh, try ffplay <file>.flv
[07:34] <Ash-Fox> trappist, alrighty
[07:34] <londondave> |lostbyte|, will try that
[07:35] <Ash-Fox> trappist, ah, this seems to be working. thanks :)
[07:35] <swanfl> Ash-Fox, aside from the fact that you should have used pastebin, I do notice the same group of packages being held back on my system. I have no clue what they are for or why they are being held back. :)
[07:37] <MukiEX> How do I turn off monitor sleep through KDE?
[07:37] <londondave> |lostbyte|, ffplay only plays the sound with unsupported codec scrolling up the console?
[07:38] <LjL> MukiEX: system settings / monitor and display / power saving
[07:38] <TheGateKeeper> if you can make your menu transparent in kde, anyone know why you have to have 3D acceleration etc to make windows transparent?
[07:39] <Ash-Fox> swanfl, I installed xserver-xorg-core and now I can dist-upgrade everything else. Guess my theory was right :P
[07:39] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: transparency in KDE, without XGL or AIGLX, is fake
[07:39] <Blacken> TheGateKeeper: OpenGL transparency effects would be really, really slow in software.
[07:39] <|lostbyte|> londondave, Try it with another flv file, i think this flv was created by a newer version of flash. which is currently not yet fully suported..
[07:39] <MukiEX> Thanks, LjL
[07:39] <swanfl> Ash-Fox, did you mean can't?
[07:39] <Ash-Fox> Nope
[07:39] <londondave> |lostbyte|, that must be it-thanks
[07:40] <|lostbyte|> np ;)
[07:41] <draik> How many people here have SUCESSFULLY upgraded to Edgy?
[07:42] <Ash-Fox> draik, I probably will have in a moment
[07:42] <swanfl> I have ot a point, draik
[07:42] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: Blacken just seems slightly bizzare that you can do it with no problems with the menu, yet with windows it all goes pear-shaped if you don't have the acceleration
[07:42] <londondave> |lostbyte|, funny thing is I have the flash9beta stand alone player and that won't play it either-weird, plays in FLV Player for XP though
[07:42] <BluesKaj> draik, it tok a bit of doing , but so far so good in edgy :)
[07:42] <|lostbyte|> Any one here using xgl and has upgraded to edgy ?
[07:42] <draik> How is edgy over dapper?
[07:42] <swanfl> to a point*
[07:42] <Ash-Fox> londondave you can play flv files in the vlc nighties (videolan.org has a repository you can use)
[07:43] <swanfl> just more upgraded programs
[07:43] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: Blacken any thanx, such is life :-)
[07:43] <swanfl> and a whole new init system that makes for faster booting
[07:43] <londondave> Ash-Fox, is that like compile from source
[07:43] <Ash-Fox> londondave, no.
[07:43] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: please consider https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade - i just put that page up. Give me feedback if you choose to follow my advices (on that page).
[07:44] <draik> How long is the entire dist-upgrade process?
[07:44] <Ash-Fox> draik, depends on your hardware, internet connection, filesystem type, the amount of stuff and use of your filesystem and so on
[07:44] <trappist> draik: that depends a LOT on things like how many packages you have installed, how fast your connection is and how fast your computer is
[07:44] <londondave> Ash-Fox, thanks I will check that out-I thing edgy is great, the official release is tomorrow  I think
[07:45] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), HD: 314/535GB, RAM: 766/3031MB, 102 proc's, 43.56min up
[07:45] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, thanks for the link :) will upgrade tommorow.
[07:45] <Ash-Fox> drat, links doesn't have ssl support
[07:46] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: you're welcome. Hope it works for you. And please give me feedback if you follow the guide.
[07:46] <draik> I will have to wait for the next weekend. Too many people upgrading today and tomorrow, busy weekend and new job on monday... I hope it all works out for me
[07:46] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, yes, i will. Just hoping my xgl setup will not conflict.
[07:47] <xsacha> "Latest Nvidia Beta Driver renders Xgl obsolete" -- im wondering how many years until a similar title appears with ATIs name? anyone? oh yes it will be called AMD then
[07:47] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: i don't know. I don't use xgl. But the upgrade is focusing on getting a full 'kubuntu-desktop' system updated.
[07:48] <|lostbyte|> ok
[07:48] <londondave> Ash-Fox, the edgy installed version is newer than the nightly-0.86
[07:48] <Ash-Fox> londondave, you'll have to force it then
[07:49] <Ash-Fox> I haven't got a edgy installation yet. So I can't help.
[07:49] <londondave> Ash-Fox, edgy is good and fast but I think there will be a lot of updates thursday when the official release is out
[07:50] <dylan_> would i mess things up terrible if i uninstalled my wireless card and reloaded the driver
[07:50] <sheft> hey, can i follow this guide to install WoW on Kubuntu?
[07:50] <poli_love> hey dudes
[07:50] <sheft> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[07:50] <poli_love> i need help
[07:50] <Ash-Fox> londondave, I doubt it.
[07:50] <robnyc> how do I refresh Grub since I just added Windows and would like to see if it can detect it and add it to grub ?
[07:50] <poli_love> how can i start my cam as webcam under kubuntu 6.06
[07:50] <Ash-Fox> londondave, kubuntu is in a deep freeze right now. There is no reason why the packages should change that dramatically
[07:50] <poli_love> i have drapper drake
[07:51] <draik> robnyc, Look up your GRUB...        /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:51] <Ash-Fox> Plus then I can help people upgrading since I've done it :P
[07:51] <londondave> Ash-Fox, I installed via dist-upgrade about 5 days ago to edgy RC1 and since then there must have been 30 updates
[07:51] <Ash-Fox> londondave, 30 updates is not a lot.
[07:52] <poli_love> dudes will someone orient me ?
[07:52] <|lostbyte|> Ash-Fox, whats the size of the download ?
[07:52] <trappist> poli_love: you'll have better luck with more specific questions
[07:52] <bmo> there, you're oriented
[07:52] <londondave> Ash-Fox, you must be more it's better than the 700 packages for the upgrade-took about 3 hours
[07:52] <poli_love>  OoOokaY i can try
[07:52] <Ash-Fox> |lostbyte|, note I had g++ a lot of different developers and so on. Was about 1gb
[07:52] <poli_love> see now .
[07:52] <londondave> patient that is
[07:53] <draik> bmo, don't you mean dis-oriented
[07:53] <bmo> orient=east
[07:53] <Ash-Fox> err developing tools
[07:53] <poli_love> i have vivicam ,and want to use it
[07:53] <poli_love> like a webcam
[07:53] <poli_love> not like a flash disk
[07:53] <poli_love> how can i do it?
[07:53] <poli_love> it don't detect it
[07:53] <draik> bmo, I got that, just saying... ehh, nvm
[07:53] <poli_love> do you neeed a model ?
[07:53] <bmo> hahaha, draik
[07:54] <|lostbyte|> Ash-Fox, wooo.. That would take a 7 hrs :- o
[07:54] <Ash-Fox> poli_love, ls /dev/video* ?
[07:54] <Ash-Fox> |lostbyte|, really? took me 30 minutes to grab
[07:54] <|lostbyte|> :)
[07:54] <bmo> draik: be warned, I am a fan of firesign theatre, meaning I have a screwy sensayoomah
[07:55] <poli_love> No it isn't listet like a dev video
[07:55] <draik> bmo, I have the same, I just try not to be toooooooo evil about it :p
[07:55] <bmo> :-P afk
[07:55] <|lostbyte|> poli_love, as you plugin your cam, do a dmesg and want does the last lines say ?
[07:56] <Ash-Fox> Okay, technically I should be on edgy now
[07:56] <poli_love> i don't know coz i am now instantly on another pc
[07:57] <LjL> please note that the Vivicam is not a webcam. from a quick googling, i'm tempted to believe you can't use it as a webcam in ubuntu
[07:57] <poli_love> ei
[07:58] <poli_love> vivicam work as webcam
[07:58] <poli_love> if you configure it from menu
[07:58] <poli_love> inside on the phone and than plug it in
[07:58] <poli_love> a second and i will get the last line
[07:58] <poli_love> from
[07:58] <dylan_> would ndiswrapper produce better results than the driver that kubuntu supplies
[07:59] <dude> can someone help me edit /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[07:59] <mentor13> witam
[07:59] <poli_love>  <dude>
[07:59] <poli_love> make the next
[07:59] <eddy> hi i try to install gaim and the command make it not working.
[07:59] <poli_love> write
[08:00] <poli_love> vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:00] <eddy> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[08:00] <abattoir> dude: what needs to be done?
[08:00] <poli_love> as root
[08:00] <draik> eddy, have you tried konversation?
[08:00] <poli_love> and edit it
[08:00] <draik> it's already available in Kubuntu
[08:00] <dude> abattoir: i installed freespire
[08:00] <abattoir> eddy: did you run ./configure ?
[08:00] <poli_love> i --insert
[08:00] <LjL> dccb
[08:00] <poli_love> :q
[08:00] <poli_love> quit\
[08:00] <LjL> eddy: Gaim is available in the repositories
[08:00] <poli_love> you v gat it
[08:00] <abattoir> dude: ok, did it overwrite kubuntu's grub?
[08:00] <eddy> yes i have ru n./configure
[08:00] <xsacha> i always use 'a' to insert, it's closer
[08:01] <kolin> anyone help with an annoying mounting problem regarding my dvd rom?
[08:01] <eddy> but i show install beta 4
[08:01] <dude> abattoir: nope
[08:01] <dude> abattoir: same grub
[08:01] <eddy> whay is the make  not work
[08:01] <abattoir> dude: ok, could you pastebin menu.lst ?
[08:01] <LjL> eddy: and did configure succeed, or fail?
[08:01] <dude> abattoir: ok
[08:02] <abattoir> dude: and also, which partition is / for linspire, where is initrd.img and vmlinuz located there?
[08:02] <eddy> this is all ERROR
[08:02] <eddy> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[08:02] <eddy> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[08:02] <eddy> *** exact error that occurred. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[08:02] <eddy> configure: error:
[08:02] <eddy> *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib
[08:02] <eddy> *** development headers installed. The latest version of GLib is
[08:02] <eddy> *** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.
[08:02] <abattoir> eddy: please don't paste here
[08:03] <Jazon> hi everyone
[08:03] <abattoir> eddy: you are missing glib 2.0 as the error says, please install it
[08:03] <Jazon> after moving to edgy, can't burn dvd's at anything faster than 0.20x !!!!  any ideas how to fix?
[08:03] <Pupeno_> do you know any application to keep track of clients and related information (companies, people on the companies, related info, tickets, projects, files, etc) ?
[08:03] <abattoir> eddy: or look for a .deb package for ubuntu, if available
[08:03] <draik> eddy.   sudo apt-get install gaim
[08:03] <dude> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28284/
[08:03] <dude> abattoir: hhda
[08:04] <dude> abattoir: /dev/hda9
[08:04] <Pupeno_> Jazon: what program where you using ?
[08:06] <Jazon> was using k3b
[08:06] <Jazon> Pupeno_: trying nautilus now...
[08:06] <Jazon> dang!!! its calling for 2-5 hours as well!  its only 2 gig iso image....
[08:07] <B-Minus> i just installed firefox 2.0 using the script, but what happens if the reposetery has firefox 2.0 ??
[08:07] <Pupeno_> Jazon: k3b has an option to show the log of the commands when writting, try to see that, maybe there's some meaninful error.
[08:07] <Pupeno_> Does edgy include GNUcash 2.0 ?
[08:08] <Jazon> not a clue
[08:08] <abattoir> dude: you have Ubuntu in hda7 right?
[08:08] <LjL> !ingo gnucash edgy
[08:08] <LjL> !info gnucash edgy
[08:08] <abattoir> dude: and also the path to the kernel and initrd in linspire?
[08:08] <LjL> !edgy | Pupeno_
[08:08] <ubotu> gnucash: A personal finance tracking program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.1-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2014 kB, installed size 6388 kB
[08:08] <ubotu> Pupeno_: edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:08] <Pupeno_> good.
[08:09] <dude> abattoir: yes hda7
[08:09] <abattoir> dude: did you install a bootloader in the freespire partition, or chose not to install one at all?
[08:09] <dude> abattoir: yes ubuntu hda7
[08:10] <abattoir> dude: ok, where is vmlinuz and initrd in the freespire partition?
[08:10] <dude> abattoir: what do u min bootloader? the write to MBR option?
[08:10] <abattoir> dude: if you chose write to mbr, then it'd have overwritten the current ubuntu one
[08:11] <draik> Ash-Fox, So? Are you edgy now???
[08:11] <dude> abattoir: if it writes on the current bootloader, what will happen to other OS
[08:11] <dude> abattoir: if it writes on the current bootloader, what will happen to the other OS
[08:12] <abattoir> dude: nothing will happen to the os, it's just that you'll have to make entries in the bootloader for the old os if it doesn't detect it automatically
[08:12] <Ash-Fox> draik, yes.
[08:12] <abattoir> dude: for example, when you installed ubuntu, it detected your Windows partition and made an entry for it...
[08:13] <draik> Ash-Fox: So, is there a better loading time? Everything stable?
[08:13] <dude> abattoir: so you mean to say, it will not detect ubuntu and windows?
[08:13] <lainproliant> hello :)
[08:13] <whiz2> I'm trying to share a printer in Kubuntu using Samba to share with Windows XP Pro, Windows 98, and another Kubuntu PC. Any time I try to export drivers, Linux tells me there are some missing drivers. Any time I try to install the printer in one of the other computers, I get a message stating that drivers are not available on the originating PC, and install fails. How do I share my printer from Kubuntu using Samba?
[08:14] <abattoir> dude: no, i'm not familiar w/ how the linspire installation process works, i'd expect it to detect it...
[08:14] <draik> whiz2, when I was sharing my printer on this kubuntu desktop to a winxp laptop, I didn't have to use Samba
[08:14] <lainproliant> I am running Kubuntu on a laptop with ATI Rage Pro
[08:14] <trappist> whiz2: it's easier just to download and install the drivers on the windows boxes from the manufacturer's website - sharing out the drivers means sharing out *windows* drivers, which can be complicated
[08:15] <lainproliant> Is there any way that i can enable stretched text mode displays?
[08:15] <dude> abattoir: so i should write to mbr?
[08:15] <lainproliant> there used to be a setting that i could flip in a windoze driver
[08:15] <whiz2> In XP, I tried installing the drivers that come with XP for that printer, and ended up printing nothing but junk to the printer
[08:15] <Ash-Fox> draik, there is a weird bug.
[08:15] <draik> what weird bug Ash-Fox
[08:15] <draik> ?
[08:16] <Ash-Fox> draik, my xserver displays things sort of distorted when the system starts, like partially 256 colors. If I switch by doing ctrl + alt + f1 and back by doing ctrl + alt + f7, that fixes it. I doubt this is a common problem.
[08:16] <abattoir> dude: it's your call really, if you write to mbr, and it makes entries for ubuntu/windows, well and good, if it doesn't, you can add entries manually, if you install the bootloader in the / partition, you can chainload it
[08:16] <Ash-Fox> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't fix it either.
[08:16] <draik> Ash-Fox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:16] <abattoir> dude: have you already installed it or not?
[08:17] <Ash-Fox> draik, doesn't fix it.
[08:17] <whiz2> Windows simply can't communicate with the printer
[08:17] <draik> hmmm
[08:17] <draik> that's all I would know to do
[08:17] <draik> other than to check the driver being used
[08:17] <lainproliant> hmm
[08:17] <dude> abattoir: i've already installed, but its icluded in the bootloader
[08:18] <dude> abattoir: i've already installed, but its not included in the bootloader
[08:18] <abattoir> dude: ok, go to /dev/hda9/boot in konqueror
[08:18] <abattoir> sorry, /media/hda9/boot
[08:18] <dude> abattoir: its not mounted
[08:18] <abattoir> dude: ok, then mount it
[08:18] <draik> Ash-Fox: is your video supported in edgy?
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> It was supported in dapper.
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> It's the default ATi driver.
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> the one that comes with xorg
[08:19] <jmamakos> hi i have problem with mpg video i cant play in ubuntu wat i mast douit?? thengs
[08:19] <petter_> yo everyone
[08:19] <draik> Doesn't ATi have issues in some areas with kubuntu?
[08:19] <abattoir> jmamakos: do you have the necessary codecs installed?
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> This isn't the proprietory ati driver.
[08:19] <petter_> my Ktorrent crached... ;(
[08:19] <jmamakos> no i dont
[08:20] <dude> abattoir: mount: can't find /dev/hda9 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:20] <petter_> is it known for doing that?
[08:20] <abattoir> !codecs > jmamakos
[08:20] <abattoir> jmamakos: follow the first link
[08:20] <draik> petter_ do you have the latest kTorrent?
[08:20] <Ash-Fox> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b <- ... wait.. don't tell me this is xgl
[08:20] <petter_> sure
[08:20] <petter_> draik: sure
[08:20] <abattoir> dude: you'd have to add it, or mount manually w/ options
[08:20] <petter_> draik: I removed it and installed bittornado
[08:21] <draik> Ash-Fox: I don't think that's regarding XGL
[08:21] <draik> petter_ I haven't had any issues with kTorrent
[08:21] <draik> Just making sure that it's updated
[08:21] <petter_> draik: alright
[08:21] <lainproliant> hmm
[08:21] <petter_> draik: are you using the most recent release?
[08:21] <draik> Ash-Fox: Are you running XGL?
[08:21] <draik> petter_: Yes I am
[08:21] <Ash-Fox> I don't believe I set it up
[08:21] <lainproliant> Is there any way that i can change the fact that my text mode display is a bit compressed when exiting xserver?
[08:22] <Ash-Fox> I see the composite extension is loaded though.
[08:22] <lainproliant> Compaq Armada M300, ATI Rage Pro
[08:22] <petter_> draik: ok thanks a lot I'll try it
[08:22] <draik> petter_: np, I hope it works for you
[08:22] <lainproliant> it shows up tiny in the middle of the screen
[08:23] <trappist> lainproliant: you might try booting with the vga=normal kernel option.  it's probably a framebuffer issue.
[08:23] <lainproliant> hmm
[08:23] <lainproliant> i will try that
[08:23] <lainproliant> i had to remove the splash option because framebuffer wasn't supported at all
[08:23] <draik> petter_: My KTorrent is 2.0.3
[08:23] <lainproliant> at least the splash screen broke it
[08:23] <lainproliant> brb
[08:24] <draik> Ash-Fox: Download the cd? Why? I thought you had it all now
[08:24] <draik> Isn't the CD available now?
[08:24] <Ash-Fox> draik, because a clean install will help me determine if the problem was with the upgrade.
[08:25] <draik> oic
[08:25] <Ash-Fox> I'll have my old install backed up. so I can poke around at it if that's the case.
[08:26] <Ash-Fox> draik, and the RC cd is available from what I can see on the mirrors. not the release.
[08:27] <draik> When will the actual CD be available for download? The final 6.10 I mean
[08:27] <Ash-Fox> Tomorow.
[08:27] <draik> perfect... I hope to get ahold of that before I leave
[08:27] <lainproliant> back :)
[08:27] <lainproliant> yeah i probably removed my vga=normal option when trying to get the framebuffer to work
[08:28] <lainproliant> thank you very much trappist
[08:28] <petter_> draik: many thanks, sorry I was away typing on a close reading :)
[08:28] <draik> petter_: it's ok. Did a new KTorrent work?
[08:29] <trappist> lainproliant: worked? awesome
[08:29] <lainproliant> well haven't tried it
[08:29] <lainproliant> i am going to put it in my grub conf
[08:29] <petter_> draik: haven't downloaded it yet, got an essay due for tomorrow
[08:29] <petter_> ;)
[08:29] <lainproliant> i left because i'm in class and didn't want to miss a lecture ^_^
[08:30] <lainproliant> but i will log back in once i test it and let you know if it worked or not
[08:30] <draik> petter_: type away
[08:31] <kolin> if i mount a dvd in my dvdrom, and i unmount it from the desktop by right clicking.  should that work?
[08:31] <petter_> draik: sorry, haven't chatted for a while...
[08:31] <kolin> says i am not the root
[08:31] <lainproliant> sudo
[08:31] <lainproliant> sudo *command*
[08:31] <kolin> and something about fstab
[08:31] <lainproliant> and then enter your root password
[08:31] <walrussse> hello everybody
[08:31] <lainproliant> lol soriries
[08:32] <lainproliant> trying to jump in from doing work probably not in context lol
[08:32] <dude> abattoir: ok, its mounted
[08:32] <draik> Good luck everyone with your edgy upgrades and I will return when I can!
[08:32] <abattoir> dude: ok, go to /boot in that partition...
[08:32] <kolin> "unmount /mnt/cdrom is not in fstab and you are not root"
[08:33] <abattoir> dude: if possible please pastebin ls -l from that partition
[08:33] <trappist> kolin: unmount is spelled "umount" and you probably want /media/cdrom0
[08:33] <kolin> should that be where i mounted it
[08:33] <fdoving> kolin: how did you mount this device?
[08:33] <kolin> i am still kind of new at this
[08:33] <kolin> i made a dir in mnt called cdrom
[08:33] <walrussse> I'm using Kubuntu Edgy actually. I'm experiencing a problem I only see in OpenOffice.org. All the "r" letters (lower case) seem to have a ghost vertical line on their right.
[08:33] <kolin> and typed "mount /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom
[08:33] <fdoving> kolin: and then?
[08:33] <kolin> "
[08:34] <fdoving> ok.
[08:34] <kolin> then it said i could explore it and was able to
[08:34] <lainproliant> bbs
[08:34] <fdoving> kolin: 'umount -l /dev/hda'
[08:34] <fdoving> kolin: err.. forgot sudo 'sudo umount -l /dev/hda'
[08:34] <dude> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28289/
[08:35] <kolin> yeah
[08:35] <kolin> but why won't it let me umount it from the desktop?
[08:35] <kolin> just curious
[08:35] <kolin> like i right clikc on it and go to mount
[08:36] <walrussse> only the "r" seem to be affected, and only OpenOffice seems to have this trouble. I thought of reporting that bug on launchpad, but I tought that could affect another app. Any ideas ?
[08:36] <kolin> it says "mount: only root can mount /dev/hda on /media/cdrom
[08:37] <kolin> is there anyway that i can get it to automatically mount it when i put it in the drive?
[08:37] <abattoir> dude: ok, so you are sure that the ubuntu grub is being used?
[08:38] <azzco> Hi guys I'm having a wee bit problem installing edgy over here...
[08:38] <dude> abattoir: yes
[08:39] <kolin> is there anyway that i can get it to automatically mount it when i put it in the drive?
[08:40] <azzco> Okay here's my problem. I've got my partitions a bit weirdle configured. my home is in sda2 my previsu kubuntu is in sda4 I wish to keep that one. swap is on sda3 for some reason. I can't crate a new partition for egy...
[08:40] <abattoir> dude: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28294/ should be it
[08:41] <abattoir> dude: backup your old menu.lst and use this
[08:41] <abattoir> dude: should give you an entry for freespire after the ubuntu ones
[08:41] <B-Minus> is there some command to use when i want to clean up my system (like broken links, files that are never used etc)
[08:43] <dude> abattoir: sudo kate right?
[08:43] <trappist> dude: kdesu instead of sudo, when you run kde apps
[08:43] <azzco> I'm in serius need of help here...
[08:43] <abattoir> dude: kdesu
[08:44] <azzco> dude Alt+F2 "kdesu kate"
[08:44] <dude> abattoir: kdesu menu.lst?
[08:44] <KoluCCi> dude: jdesu kate menu.lst
[08:44] <KoluCCi> -j+k*
[08:44] <abattoir> dude: nope, kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:45] <B-Minus> is there some command to use when i want to clean up my system (like broken links, files that are never used etc)
[08:45] <abattoir> dude: i meant kdesu instead of kate, but stopped short of writing the entire command as trappist had already pointed out
[08:46] <trappist> abattoir: actually kdesu is a poor replacement for kate ;)
[08:46] <abattoir> oops, meant sudo :P
[08:46] <bernd_> hallo
[08:46] <azzco> B-Minus: Could you be a bit more specific?
[08:47] <bernd_> kann mir jemand bei der fstab helfen?
[08:47] <trappist> !de
[08:47] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:47] <bernd_> ok
[08:48] <B-Minus> azzco: in gentoo you have upgrade-world or something
[08:48] <B-Minus> i mean something like that
[08:51] <azzco> How come gparted is alot easier to handle then qtparted?
[08:51] <azzco> I was not able to create a new partition from unallocated space in qtparted then I installed gparted and it worked just like that.
[08:52] <azzco> B-Minus: I don't know a program that works like that. =/
[08:53] <B-Minus> hmm :s
[08:53] <B-Minus> cause
[08:53] <B-Minus> i installed some programs with adept and deleted them again but there are always some files left behind
[08:54] <azzco> Hmm yeah. I try to stick to installing via terminal with aptitude. apt-get (wich I think adept uses) doesn't really delete all files
[08:55] <B-Minus> ic
[08:55] <B-Minus> well its too late for me :)
[08:55] <azzco> Aptitude keeps track on what files the programs installed with it needs and therefore deletes ones that only used by a program that is being uninstalled. I'm not to sure about how true this is but look it up ;)
[08:55] <azzco> okay B-Minus but check on aptitude tommorow.
[08:57] <B-Minus> ok im gonna read the manpage now
[08:57] <blooregard> Is anyone in here using LVM on a SCSI RAID array?
[08:58] <B-Minus> what about automatix
[08:58] <B-Minus> i heard a lot about that
[08:58] <B-Minus> but isnt that just the same as adept or aptitude
[09:00] <blooregard> I can't set up LVM during install for some reason, but creating a volume group destroys the partition.
[09:00] <Rancid> so hypothetically, if someone was stupid enough to start a apt-get install libfam is there a way to undo that?
[09:00] <azzco> B-Minus: you still there?
[09:00] <B-Minus> ye
[09:01] <Rancid> :(
[09:01] <azzco> Automatix is justa script that installs a couple of the most wanted programs. A bit like adept. it get's the repositorys so that you wont have to touch any files yourself (well maybe to install automatix) but after that it installs things for you restricted things that is ;)
[09:02] <xsacha> sudo linux32 wine notepad stuff.txt
[09:02] <B-Minus> ic
[09:02] <g00lan> ik have a .zip file. how do i extract it?
[09:02] <dhq> hey its 12 here when is edgy gonna be out
[09:02] <azzco> B-Minus: for eample it installs MP3 support I think and flash
[09:02] <LjL> !automatix | B-Minus, azzco
[09:02] <ubotu> B-Minus, azzco: Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[09:02] <B-Minus> hmm
[09:03] <Rancid> :(
[09:03] <B-Minus> i already have flash and mp3 :p
[09:03] <Rancid> so can anyone help with the libfam prob?
[09:03] <azzco> Well check it out anyways ;)
[09:03] <B-Minus> ok
[09:03] <dhq> fdoving: when is edgy gonna be out
[09:03] <aztun> I just installed ksim
[09:04] <g00lan> any who know howto extract zipfiles?
[09:04] <aztun> http://ksim.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=description.php
[09:04] <aztun> and have no binary
[09:04] <aztun> sudo updatedb && locate ksim | grep bin
[09:04] <fdoving> dhq: to morrow according to the plan.
[09:04] <aztun> gets nothing
[09:04] <fdoving> dhq: don't know any details about what time/timezone.
[09:05] <aztun> g00lan: use ark on X or unzip in console
[09:05] <Rancid> :/
[09:05] <g00lan> aztun,  thx:)
[09:05] <dhq> fdoving: well it like half past 12 am here 26th morning
[09:05] <dhq> !shcedule
[09:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shcedule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <dhq> !edgy
[09:05] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[09:05] <|lostbyte|> dhq, have patience.
[09:05] <dhq> !schedule
[09:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[09:06] <|lostbyte|> dhq, keep visiting, kubuntu.com
[09:06] <dhq> |lostbyte|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[09:06] <jeansch> hi, i've problem with kpilot, it doesn't sync the calendar, is anybody using it successfully ?
[09:06] <B-Minus> there is 1 program left for me to install, but it aint gonna be easy ;( lotus notes 7
[09:07] <SHRIKEE> ...
[09:07] <SHRIKEE> synchrozation programs for usb sticks, anyone?
[09:08] <Qaldune> hi all
[09:08] <SHRIKEE> lo
[09:08] <Qaldune> does anyone know how to play .m4p files without drm in amarok??
[09:08] <whiz2> using another Linux PC, I can install the linux drivers on the remote PC, but when I try to send a job to the printer, it doesn't even appear in the job qeue for the printer on it's local machine... there is a miscommunication somewhere in the line.
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: Mine work
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what do you mean
[09:09] <SHRIKEE> well
[09:09] <SHRIKEE> i have a usb stick on which i put my websites, php code and such
[09:09] <SHRIKEE> is there a program to synch it with a folder on the pc?
[09:10] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: hi, which version you have ?
[09:10] <Rancid> i ran apt-get install libfam0 .. .my kde is b0rked now, i re-installed the packages it removed, but how do i get it backup and running?
[09:10] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: rsync will sync folders
[09:10] <SHRIKEE> *takes a look*
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: 4.6.0
[09:11] <SHRIKEE> i find that linux programs get stuck rather easy and often :(
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what do you mean
[09:12] <SHRIKEE> well exactly as i say it
[09:13] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what gets stuck?
[09:13] <SHRIKEE> i open adept and half of the time it takes either ages to load or it wont load at all or it gets stuck :9
[09:13] <SHRIKEE> as in non-responding
[09:13] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: ok, i have the same, but when i sync it tell about nothing to sync, i've check the file on which it look, and is the good one, my calendar is on it
[09:13] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: run adept from konsole and look for errors, if there are any then pastebin them
[09:13] <SHRIKEE> i dont see any errors
[09:14] <SHRIKEE> i think its just unstable
[09:14] <SHRIKEE> alot of prorgams are
[09:15] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: what is the problem, I didnt fully understand that
[09:15] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what have you tried to do that could have messed things up
[09:15] <SHRIKEE> uh in installed kubuntu
[09:15] <SHRIKEE> thats about it ;)
[09:15] <SHRIKEE> no wild hacks, patches or anything
[09:15] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: have you updated since the install
[09:15] <SHRIKEE> yea
[09:16] <SHRIKEE> full upgrade and some random packages installed with it
[09:16] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: have you changed sources.list
[09:16] <SHRIKEE> added the universe rep
[09:16] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what do you mean full upgrade, did you upgrade to edgy?
[09:16] <SHRIKEE> dapper
[09:16] <SHRIKEE> no just apt-get upgrade
[09:17] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what happens to the programs that makes you think they are unstable
[09:17] <SHRIKEE> shrikee@shrikee-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[09:17] <SHRIKEE> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:17] <SHRIKEE> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[09:17] <SHRIKEE> grm
[09:18] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: do you have adept open
[09:18] <SHRIKEE> nope it crashed a minute ago
[09:18] <SHRIKEE> im getting that ever  since
[09:19] <SHRIKEE> well some programs, like amarok, kmail, kontact and adept justrandom hang or crash
[09:19] <SHRIKEE> for no apparent reason :(
[09:20] <bambix> hi all
[09:20] <SHRIKEE> hi
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: are you in konversarion
[09:20] <SHRIKEE> yes
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: click help, then click ABout KDE
[09:21] <Qaldune> SHRIKEE as you can see ubuntu is not as easy and nice-working as they told you
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: what version of KDE are you using
[09:21] <SHRIKEE> haha it takes some skill, but thats no problem
[09:21] <SHRIKEE> 3.5.2
[09:21] <SHRIKEE> i have kubuntu 6.06
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: there is a newer version of KDE out
[09:21] <SHRIKEE> is it in the rep, yet?
[09:22] <TehUni> 3.5.5 is in the kde repos
[09:22] <SHRIKEE> ah
[09:22] <SHRIKEE> and what advantage does that give me?
[09:22] <TehUni> newer kde :P
[09:22] <SHRIKEE> if i upgrade, i mean
[09:22] <SHRIKEE> :)
[09:22] <bambix> can someone help me please? I've lag in most of kubuntu while i shouldn't already upgraded the kernel to linux-686 but having lot's of trouble getting the correct video driver to work
[09:22] <andhy> SHRIKEE: nothing at all
[09:22] <SHRIKEE> lol
[09:23] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: it dosn't sync the cal (well, one time, it tooked the cal from the palm, and remove from it), and now, it dosn't sync any event with the palm, even if i choose a PC to Palm copy mode
[09:23] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: try upgrading KDE, it sounds like thats were your problems are
[09:23] <SHRIKEE> maybe yes,
[09:23] <SHRIKEE> ill check it out :)
[09:23] <SHRIKEE> jeansch, see if your synching app has rights to overwrite the file
[09:24] <bambix> anybody?
[09:24] <SHRIKEE> brb
[09:24] <BonBonTheJon> bambix: can you rephrase
[09:24] <picarito> weed
[09:24] <bambix> ok
[09:24] <bambix> i'll ask more direct questions
[09:24] <magical_trevsky> can anyone tell me the best way to go from dapper -> edgy? most of the guides i have seen recommend using update-manager, which does not exist on my system.. is there a different way for kubuntu?
[09:24] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: did you run the configuration wizard?
[09:25] <bambix> how do i see what drivers/modules are being used for my graphics card
[09:25] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: hum, i think the classic setup only
[09:25] <andhy> magical_trevsky: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/EdgyReleaseCandidate
[09:25] <dvayanu> i have a hdd formated and managed by freebsd, now in an external case connected via usb. can i mount it under linux?
[09:25] <andhy> magical_trevsky: kubuntu section
[09:25] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: did you tell it to sync with kontact
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> dvayanu: yes
[09:26] <dvayanu> bonbon: filesystem type?
[09:26] <magical_trevsky> andhy, thanks :)
[09:26] <dvayanu> ufs?
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> dvayanu: what is it formatted as?
[09:26] <dvayanu> default... probably ufs
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> dvayanu: I don't know about UFS
[09:27] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: well, i rerun the whole kpilot config, i'll tell you, now i'm not sure
[09:27] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: make sure you pick kontact and not evolution
[09:27] <bambix> how do i see what drivers/modules are being used for my graphics card
[09:28] <BonBonTheJon> bambix: you need to look in the xorg file
[09:28] <dvayanu> bonbon: to mount something readonly, -o ro?
[09:28] <ohmbr> hi, how do i change the menu for all users?
[09:28] <BonBonTheJon> !mount
[09:28] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[09:28] <SHRIKEE> i just got apt-get to update its lists
[09:28] <SHRIKEE> it tells me this:
[09:28] <ohmbr> I want to add a program...
[09:28] <SHRIKEE> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/breezy/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[09:28] <SHRIKEE> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/breezy/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: you need to comment those lines out
[09:29] <SHRIKEE> ah hmm
[09:29] <SHRIKEE> they dont exist anymore?
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> dvayanu: I don't know, you can look it up
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: oh, that is for breezy, you are using dapper
[09:30] <honix> hi! can i format a fat partition and use it like /home??
[09:30] <BonBonTheJon> ohmbr: right click on the K menu
[09:30] <Qaldune> you can honix
[09:30] <shindmar> salve, ho un serio problema con kubuntu
[09:30] <shindmar> ahh english
[09:30] <BonBonTheJon> honix: you mean move /home to that partition?
[09:30] <honix> no
[09:30] <Qaldune> i think he means use a fat partition as /home
[09:30] <ohmbr> BonBonTheJon: ok, but just my menu changed...
[09:30] <Qaldune> honix take a look at /etc/mtab
[09:30] <BonBonTheJon> ohmbr: dunno then
[09:31] <SHRIKEE> ok i diabled it
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> SHRIKEE: now try again
[09:31] <shindmar> there is someone that can help me because the command "sudo apt-get update" gives me always errors and i can't update my OS
[09:31] <SHRIKEE> it now updates fine
[09:31] <SHRIKEE> but
[09:31] <ohmbr> BonBonTheJon: sorry... but how do i do that?
[09:31] <SHRIKEE> that was not the issue i meant earlier... :)
[09:31] <shindmar> my source list is all ok
[09:31] <SHRIKEE> i just noticed that
[09:31] <honix> when i install ubuntu (tomorrrow), i have /home in other ext3 now but i want have /home in fat but i dont know because fat cannot manage permissions
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> ohmbr: I don't know how to change it for others
[09:31] <thg2oo6> hi 2 all
[09:32] <ohmbr> ok..
[09:32] <shindmar> hi, help!!
[09:32] <ohmbr> tks... any way...
[09:32] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: can you pastebin the errors
[09:32] <Qaldune> i guess /home/<user> wouldn't need permissions
[09:32] <shindmar> ok, here in publicchat?
[09:32] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin | shindmar
[09:32] <ubotu> shindmar: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:32] <ohmbr> does somebody knows how to add a program at menu to all users?
[09:32] <honix> then... if i use a fat like /home i wont have any problem?
[09:33] <shindmar> bonbonthejon, simply the connection goes to timeout
[09:33] <Qaldune> i don't think so
[09:33] <Qaldune> but i've never do something like that
[09:33] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: pastebin your sources.list
[09:34] <Qaldune> change the /home entry in /etc/mtab
[09:34] <BonBonTheJon> honix: that would be a hard process
[09:34] <BonBonTheJon> honix: you can't just change /home
[09:34] <shindmar> i can navigate in internet, and message in kopete and irc, but i can't download packets because the connection falls to timeout
[09:34] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: all the sources or just some
[09:35] <shindmar> i have a ethernet router ut300r2u
[09:35] <shindmar> sources are all ok, because a friend of mine uses them and all is ok on his pc
[09:35] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: are you behind a proxy?
[09:35] <shindmar> nope
[09:35] <SHRIKEE> or a restrictive firewall, shindmar
[09:36] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: can you ping the sources
[09:36] <shindmar> i' m a novell on linux.. can u tell me how?
[09:36] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: any news?
[09:36] <Ash-Fox> shindmar, #SuSE
[09:36] <SHRIKEE> from a console : ping <target>
[09:36] <honix> i refer i have a fat and when i install ubuntu, i select /home... i would like to know if i will have no problems later... i try explain me but i dont write very well
[09:37] <shindmar> i don't have restrictive firewall, only router, but if i don't know the ports that kubuntu uses for apt how can i forward them?
[09:37] <BonBonTheJon> Ash-Fox: I think he meant he's a noob, not Novell
[09:37] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: it downloads on 80
[09:37] <Ash-Fox> BonBonTheJon, that's quite a typo really..
[09:37] <shindmar> already forwarded
[09:37] <LjL> shindmar, APT only needs outbound connections. you don't need to forward ports
[09:37] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: no ports need to be opened
[09:37] <SHRIKEE> you dont need to forward ports i think, i use a router and didnt need to either
[09:37] <Qaldune> honix we've got you
[09:37] <BonBonTheJon> Ash-Fox: I think he mean novel as in novelty, not Novell
[09:38] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: yes, but no
[09:38] <SHRIKEE> more as in unexperienced i think BonBonTheJon
[09:38] <SHRIKEE> ;)
[09:38] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: it does't copy the cal
[09:38] <Ash-Fox> !it
[09:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:38] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: i've reinstalled with the wizard
[09:39] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: hmm, which hardware are you using
[09:39] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: TX
[09:39] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: me too, what port do you have it set for
[09:39] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: the TX has a known timing problem
[09:39] <shindmar> BonBon unknown host
[09:40] <SHRIKEE> shindmar: do you see any errors?
[09:40] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: so you can't ping them, well that is weird
[09:40] <shindmar> no, only i can't ping them
[09:40] <kristyon> someone remind me how I change channnels please?
[09:40] <BonBonTheJon> kristyon: do /join channel
[09:40] <SHRIKEE> kristyon: /join #channel
[09:40] <shindmar> i've a ppoa connection
[09:40] <shindmar> *pppoa
[09:40] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: i sync throug network
[09:41] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: ppp over bluetooth or wifi
[09:41] <jeansch> same result
[09:41] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: I do wireless syncing
[09:41] <excitatory> i am aware of and are using several of the 'firefox hacks' that integrate it into the kde environment.  however, one feature is missing.. the ability to 'open' downloaded files directly from the Downloads dialog window..  does anyone have a solution to this?
[09:41] <kristyon> thanks
[09:41] <bambix> how do i see hwat kernel modules are being loaded?
[09:42] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: is there a way to have more detailled logs ?
[09:42] <shindmar> BONBON, i can ping google and it responds
[09:42] <BonBonTheJon> bambix: modprobe -l
[09:42] <bambix> thnx
[09:42] <kristyon> how do i get identified to join a channel?
[09:42] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: maybe try running it from konsole and look at the output
[09:43] <jeansch> kristyon: register with the nickserv
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: what country are you in? maybe make a new sources.list
[09:43] <shindmar> italy
[09:43] <SHRIKEE> shindmar, you said your friend can download from those repositoriesm right? is he on the same router as you?
[09:43] <[GuS] > guys... where the color scheme of KDE is saved?
[09:43] <kristyon> aha. where do i do that?
[09:43] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: ok, i'll check, do yuo have too handing problems ?
[09:43] <honix> someone knows if i will have some fail using /home in FAT??
[09:43] <jeansch> kristyon: /msg nickserv help
[09:43] <shindmar> he doesn't have my same router, but he can download from those repositories right
[09:44] <SHRIKEE> hmm, k
[09:44] <fdoving> honix: yes, most things will fail. i stronly recommend not to.
[09:44] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: if you set the port to 'net:any' you can sync wirelessly fine
[09:44] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: yes, the others things works well, but the calendar don't want
[09:44] <honix> ok thak you
[09:45] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: I sometimes have some problems if I change an item on both ends, but for most of the time it works fine
[09:45] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: of course, kpilot freezes after a single sync, but it works until then
[09:46] <jeansch> BonBonTheJon: you're lucky :), well, i have to go, good night, and thanks
[09:46] <BonBonTheJon> jeansch: good luck
[09:46] <kepia> anyone with an epia board and openchrome drivers installed?!? need help!!!
[09:46] <[GuS] > well.. i've found it in /home/gustavo/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes
[09:47] <bambix> BonBonTheJon when i run modprobe -l  are all of the modules listed loaded at bootup?
[09:47] <BonBonTheJon> bambix: i believe so
[09:47] <bambix> anyway to rem some of them out?
[09:47] <bambix> that's a big list
[09:48] <BonBonTheJon> bambix: I don't know about that. Aren't you just looking for the video driver
[09:48] <bambix> that too, the agp.o one but it's not being loaded.
[09:48] <BonBonTheJon> bambix: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that
[09:49] <bambix> no that's the ati driver
[09:49] <bambix> but i need to enable agp too
[09:49] <bambix> apparantly
[09:50] <shindmar> someone remember me?
[09:50] <bambix> sorry shindmar new here myself
[09:50] <bambix> but hi
[09:50] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: pastebin the sources.list
[09:50] <shindmar> ok
[09:52] <shindmar> PASTED
[09:52] <excitatory> so i'm compiling an app, and the configure script needs gtk+ (obviously the dev package).. but i did an aptitude search and i only see two gtk+ packages, and they're for directfb.. the rest are gtk1 or gtk2 related.. is gtk+ equivalent to something.. or what package should i install?
[09:52] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: address?
[09:52] <shindmar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28305/
[09:53] <ubuntu__> hi. My keyboard is freezing after kubuntu 6.10 is started from live CD. So, I can-t enter data in the installation wizard. Any solutuion_
[09:53] <petter_> yo
[09:54] <pedro> hello ppl
[09:54] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[09:54] <pedro> anyone knows if the bug with acpi_sbs module is corrected in any newer kernel build?
[09:54] <shindmar> it isn't an official list, but it works right, if i copy the official list nothing will change, already tried
[09:55] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: evidently it isnt working right
[09:55] <shindmar> also the official list don't work right?
[09:55] <pedro> that one of repeating and dropping keyboard characters
[09:56] <shindmar> but on other pc that list work right, only on my pc it doesn't work
[09:56] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: whats different betweeen the two
[09:56] <shindmar> nothing, the errors are always the same: connection timeout
[09:57] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: whats different hardware, connection wise
[09:57] <shindmar> both have ethernet, but different routers, i don't know his router
[09:58] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: same connection, ISP?
[09:58] <shindmar> i have tiscali, but don't know his isp pheraps alice
[09:59] <shindmar> in resolv.conf i have only 1 nameserver: 192.168.1.2, it maybe depends from it?
[10:00] <toad__> Hey everyone
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: no, that shouldn't be it. You can go to oter websites
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> hi toad__
[10:00] <rdrg> Hy, how can I add some services at the Kubuntu 6.10 startup?
[10:01] <toad__> I got a question for ya'll.  How can i disable the sudo prompt on things like changing wifi settings?
[10:01] <BonBonTheJon> rdrg: what do you mean "services"?
[10:01] <shindmar> sig, i don't know what i can do... is since 3 days that i try to fix this error
[10:01] <BonBonTheJon> toad__: sudo is to keep your system secure, you can install knetworkmanager
[10:02] <rdrg> I'd like to start superkaramba automaticaly, and the NumLock on my keyboard also...
[10:02] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: can you go into konsole and do "export http_proxy=", then try to update
[10:03] <BonBonTheJon> rdrg: in the system settings you can have stuff run at start
[10:03] <shindmar> sorry, i don't understand
[10:03] <toad__> I use Kwifimanager but when i go to load my config it asks for my password.  Is there a way to disable it for just kwifi?
[10:04] <BonBonTheJon> toad__: not that I know of
[10:04] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: open konsole
[10:04] <toad__> ok, thanks
[10:04] <shindmar> done
[10:04] <Dr_willis> thats the kwallet password i think
[10:04] <root> abattoir: :(
[10:04] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: do "export http_proxy="
[10:04] <dude> abattoir: :(
[10:04] <rdrg> BonBonTejon: I don't have a thing like this in my System settings
[10:04] <abattoir> dude: what happened?
[10:05] <dude> abattoir: errors
[10:05] <picarito> kubuntu edgy includes beryl / glx ?
[10:05] <abattoir> dude: like what?
[10:05] <shindmar> copied and pasted
[10:05] <shindmar> and done
[10:05] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: there should be no output
[10:05] <shindmar> no
[10:05] <shindmar> no output
[10:05] <Dr_willis> picarito,  if it does - its not  used by default
[10:05] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: now run "sudo apt-get update" and pastebin the output so I can see also
[10:06] <dude> abattoir: actually it runs but when i choose, ubuntu, there are some errors, i cant start x
[10:06] <abattoir> dude: i didn't touch anything related to ubuntu
[10:06] <abattoir> dude: is there something else that you did?
[10:06] <dude> abattoir: do you still have the copy of my menu.lst?
[10:06] <zdodge> hi
[10:06] <abattoir> dude: you didn't back it up? like i asked you to?
[10:07] <dude> abattoir: nothing, just copy paste
[10:07] <sorush20> hi are there anyporgrams out there that can draw graphs just like a graph papre version of it.. openoffice is not that great..
[10:07] <picarito> can i install a ubuntu version of 32 bits in a amd64 box (some apps are not ready yet for 64bits)
[10:07] <Michael_Corvin> u can
[10:07] <dude> abattoir: i saved on the conqueror, but i cant open it
[10:07] <Michael_Corvin> but there can be random crashes
[10:07] <BonBonTheJon> rdrg: its under KDE components, autostart
[10:07] <abattoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28284/
[10:07] <Michael_Corvin>  the problem is the amd 64 cpu really
[10:07] <abattoir> dude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[10:08] <picarito> but, could "coexist" 32/64 ubuntu into a diferent partitions  (sharing /home i.e.)
[10:08] <abattoir> dude: sorry, the first link
[10:08] <JosefK> picarito: I've never seen any crashes caused by running an i686 OS on an amd64 chip
[10:08] <Michael_Corvin> i don't think so
[10:08] <Michael_Corvin> well i have really
[10:08] <JosefK> picarito: in most cases that would work, you could also build yourself a 32-bit chroot
[10:08] <zdodge> i tested the kubuntu 6.10 RC live cd... but on my dell inspiron the complete keyboard just didnt worked... when i pressed the space it printed 'd's on and on all the time... any1 an idea if this will be fixed in the final?
[10:08] <Michael_Corvin> mainly while encoding/decoding video /audio
[10:08] <cryptonic> can someone tell me wether its possible to change a 64bit build of ubuntu into a 32bit build, as in by default 32bit not extra 32bit libraries
[10:08] <cryptonic> ?
[10:08] <JosefK> picarito: unwise to share any path other than /home though (and you'd need to keep versions in sync)
[10:08] <Michael_Corvin> ubuntu has an amd 64 kernel
[10:09] <LjL> cryptonic: it is, by reinstalling it :)
[10:09] <BonBonTheJon> zdodge: did you pick the right keyboard
[10:09] <Michael_Corvin> and the live cd installs it by default
[10:09] <shindmar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28307/
[10:09] <shindmar> BONBON this is the address
[10:09] <Michael_Corvin> internet explorer 7 just got relieased?
[10:09] <zdodge> BonBonTheJon: i didnt modified the xorg config i just ran the live cd it did everything on its own... i even wouldnt be able to modify the xorg.conf because the keyboard doesnt work... :/
[10:09] <picarito> uhm
[10:10] <Kr4t05> Hrm, I shouldn't have any problems installing wine from the budget-dedicated repos for dapper onto edgy, should I?
[10:10] <cryptonic> but i want 32bit ubuntu on my system not 64bit, is there a way of stoping it from autodetecting?
[10:10] <dude> abattoir: tnx, try to reboot
[10:10] <Michael_Corvin> cryptonic,  only if u do a manual install
[10:10] <Michael_Corvin> download the alternate install
[10:10] <abattoir> dude: ok
[10:10] <Michael_Corvin> and manually install ubuntu to ur liking
[10:10] <BonBonTheJon> zdodge: I normally use the alternative install disc
[10:10] <cryptonic> both 32bit and 64bit are on the same disc?
[10:10] <Michael_Corvin> yeah
[10:10] <Michael_Corvin> its just the kernel really
[10:11] <eltese> Does anyone know why my keyboard wont change its settings and why I cant reach my other partitions.. I installed kubuntu today and Im very bad at this :)
[10:11] <zdodge> BonBonTheJon: yeah i want to install it too, but only when i am sure it does work... i dont want to destroy my current linux installation and then notice it does not work...
[10:11] <Michael_Corvin> thats the difference between it. linux has no "64 bit os vversion"
[10:11] <Michael_Corvin> linux is the kernel
[10:11] <Michael_Corvin> the rest is just the distro
[10:11] <Michael_Corvin> appz and such
[10:12] <cryptonic> app support for 64bit linux is dismal thoughsupport
[10:12] <BonBonTheJon> zdodge: sorry, I don't know much about the LiveCD
[10:12] <cryptonic> thats why i want 32bit
[10:12] <zdodge> BonBonTheJon: thanks anyway :)
[10:12] <Michael_Corvin> the issue really is that the 64 bit is actually new
[10:12] <Michael_Corvin>  i had an athlon 64 on windows and linux
[10:12] <Michael_Corvin> and it crashed randomly... mainly bad code of some appz
[10:12] <Michael_Corvin> and mainly music ripping issues.
[10:13] <Michael_Corvin> even if u are using the 32 bit kernel
[10:13] <Michael_Corvin> its a cpu thing
[10:13] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: it looks like there is a DNS problem, it is trying to go to 1.0.0.0
[10:13] <shindmar> ok... and then?
[10:13] <maya> hola
[10:13] <Michael_Corvin> hola
[10:13] <shindmar> how can i know what is the right dns and change it?
[10:13] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: is there anyway you can plug the computer directly into the internet, not through the router
[10:14] <cryptonic> so what can i do then if anything at all to trick apps into thinking its a 32bit processor?
[10:14] <shindmar> no
[10:14] <Michael_Corvin> well... u could use the 386 kernel
[10:14] <Michael_Corvin> but itll still crash
[10:14] <maya> hola
[10:14] <Michael_Corvin> maya de donde eres?
[10:14] <Michael_Corvin> i mean
[10:14] <cryptonic> i dont get much crashes to be honest
[10:14] <Michael_Corvin> the mad64 has a couple of bugs
[10:15] <Michael_Corvin> well then keep it
[10:15] <Michael_Corvin>  i had it on windows xp
[10:15] <Michael_Corvin> and it crashed with nero and wmplayer
[10:15] <shindmar> Bon BOn , there isn't a way to do this
[10:15] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: try to find out another DNS server for your ISP, and put that in with the 192.168. line
[10:16] <cryptonic> its fairly annoying not being able to use apps like skype and wine because of the processor you have and not being able to use flash , etc
[10:16] <Michael_Corvin> but by the way cryptonic , do u have one of the newer amd 64 or the first relieases?
[10:16] <shindmar> sorry, how can i find another dns? i must ask to my provider? and what means put it with the 192.168?, very sorry, but i'm new
[10:16] <Michael_Corvin> *releases
[10:16] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: and it looks like you have IPv6 which the network may not understand
[10:16] <Michael_Corvin> maya,  hola de donde eres?
[10:16] <shindmar> yes i have ipvs
[10:16] <shindmar> ipv6
[10:17] <cryptonic> amd 64bit dual core 3800 socket am2
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: does your ISP support it?
[10:17] <Michael_Corvin> whoa
[10:17] <Xal> Hi
[10:17] <Michael_Corvin> i dont think theres a kernel for that yet
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[10:17] <shindmar> i don't know
[10:17] <dude> abattoir: tnx, im back, forget linspire or freespire...
[10:17] <Xal> I have recently upgraded to edgy, and these packages are being held back.
[10:18] <Michael_Corvin> but u should use the amd 64 SMP
[10:18] <Michael_Corvin>  if u find that kernel
[10:18] <Xal> http://pastebin.ca/221656
[10:18] <Xal> What should I do about this.
[10:18] <Michael_Corvin> so that it uses both cores
[10:18] <abattoir> dude: heh
[10:18] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: I think you should try to disbale IPv6
[10:18] <cryptonic> yeah, i had to install ubuntu in noapic mode cause it doent support socket am2
[10:18] <shindmar> yes, howto?
[10:18] <Michael_Corvin> yeah
[10:18] <Michael_Corvin> dang
[10:18] <Michael_Corvin> thats the problem with new cpus
[10:19] <Michael_Corvin> ittl be some tim till the kernel is updated
[10:19] <shindmar> i must use ipv4?
[10:19] <Michael_Corvin> but
[10:19] <Michael_Corvin> u can try to compile one of the newer linux kernels and patch it for ubuntu
[10:19] <dude> abattoir: have to go...thank you....
[10:19] <cryptonic> not sure what apic was anyways, i have a slight idea it might be the new ubuntu boot loader
[10:19] <Michael_Corvin>  its a hell of a quest
[10:19] <dude> bye guys . . .
[10:19] <abattoir> dude: no problem, sorry couldn't be of much help
[10:19] <shindmar> now i'm in network settings
[10:19] <shindmar> and all the options are in ip6
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: IPv4 is the current, IPv6 is the upcoming version, but your ISP might not understand it, so apt-get is trying to do IPv6
[10:20] <shindmar> yes, now i must change in ipv4, i must only correct the aliases?
[10:20] <cryptonic> well what version of the kernal does edgy use?
[10:20] <shindmar> or do some commands?
[10:20] <Michael_Corvin> well
[10:20] <Michael_Corvin> 2.6.17 i think
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: hold on while I look up a howto
[10:20] <shindmar> ok... thanks!!!!
[10:21] <Michael_Corvin> there are newer kernels
[10:21] <cryptonic> its onto 2.6.18 now isnt it
[10:21] <Michael_Corvin> i think so somehwere around that
[10:21] <Michael_Corvin> but lemme chek whatsthe newwest linux one
[10:21] <zdodge> 2.6.18
[10:21] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6841
[10:21] <shindmar> MANY MANY THANKS
[10:21] <BonBonTheJon> shindmar: ask questions if you have any
[10:22] <shindmar> thanks
[10:22] <Michael_Corvin> 2.6.18.1
[10:22] <Michael_Corvin> yeah
[10:23] <Michael_Corvin> cryptonic,  u should ost ur problem on the forums
[10:23] <Michael_Corvin> *post
[10:23] <morla> hi! is fakeraid support broken in Edgy?
[10:23] <judgen> is there a guide somewhere who to get smb4k to work?
[10:24] <Michael_Corvin> pretty much worthy of posting there
[10:24] <Michael_Corvin> bbl
[10:24] <cryptonic> hmmmmm.... i doubt theres any point in going through the hastle for a small realease like that
[10:25] <Dr_willis> judgen,  i use it all the time..
[10:25] <Dr_willis> judgen,  sudo apt-get isntall smb4k, then as the smb4k FAQ says..  sudo chmod +s  the smbmnt and smbumnt (I think) binaries.
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> morla: what do you mean fake raid
[10:26] <trappist> Dr_willis: smbmount and smbumount
[10:26] <morla> BobBonTheJon: biosraid.. my pci raid card actually has all the work done by the driver in software
[10:27] <Dr_willis> trappist,  I STILL want to know where the 'n' went in uNmount :)
[10:27] <judgen> thanks Dr_willis
[10:27] <trappist> Dr_willis: yeah, of all the letters to drop... except maybe the u
[10:27] <Dr_willis> I thought smb4k mentioned the binaries. :) but they may not give the full details.
[10:28] <BonBonTheJon> morla: I don't know much about raid, but I set up disk-redundancy (RAID1 I think) at home
[10:29] <LjL> Dr_willis, wake up. this is unix.
[10:29] <morla> BonBonJon: done entirely by the kernel or with an raid controller?
[10:29] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i rember smb4k giving the details i needed. :)
[10:29] <BonBonTheJon> morla: kernel
[10:30] <LjL> Dr_willis: i was talking about the missing N
[10:30] <Dr_willis> Then again. i guess its not 'secure' to have them allready chmod +s, or the sm4k maintainer decided to not have it done/asked in the pacage init scripts. :)
[10:30] <jende_> howdy folks
[10:30] <Dr_willis> LjL,  heh . :P actually i think it has somthing to do with the Old-skool 6, then 8 character limit on  some of the OLD OLD unix sustems
[10:30] <jende_> LjL: howdy
[10:30] <morla> BonBonJon: did you use dmraid? It's strange, since breezy my raid partition waorks out of the box, but not in edgy
[10:30] <LjL> Dr_willis: then what does "creat" have to do with anything? :)
[10:30] <lis> need help! someone knows how listen to music? Applications recomended?
[10:31] <BonBonTheJon> morla: yeah, I think I used dmraid
[10:31] <BonBonTheJon> hey jende_
[10:31] <gupta> This is so stupid!! I can't download kmplayer http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=126 without registering!!!!!
[10:31] <jende_> BonBonTheJon: howdy
[10:31] <Dr_willis> we need to go back to .exe :)  heh..
[10:31] <BonBonTheJon> lis: amarok is installed
[10:31] <BonBonTheJon> gupta: use adept to install it
[10:31] <judgen> Dr_willis: now it tells me "libsmb based programs must NOT be setuid root"
[10:31] <jende_> lis
[10:32] <jende_> !mp3
[10:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:32] <Jonty> Can anyone explain this: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2331 and how to fix it? It pops up a debconf dialog box which says "Incorrect nice value. Please enter a integer between -20 and 19, in which only cancel works, and then the rest fails miserably
[10:32] <mkquist> lis-rythmbox...
[10:32] <Dr_willis> judgen,  Hmm.. double check.. WHAT  did you suid.
[10:32] <gupta> that installs an old version, and there is then some confusion with KMplayeraand Kmplayer
[10:32] <lis> bonbon amarok doesn't work
[10:32] <gupta> !KMplayer
[10:32] <morla> BonBonJon: ok so I know it should work, I'll investigate forther now :)
[10:32] <mkquist> list-streams? or mp3s?
[10:32] <lis> jende what?
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KMplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <gupta> !Kmplayer
[10:32] <jende_> lis: are you on dapper?
[10:32] <gupta> !kmplayer
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kmplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <ubotu> kmplayer: media player for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1.99+0.9.2-rc1-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 161 kB, installed size 524 kB
[10:32] <lis> mkquist thanks
[10:32] <BonBonTheJon> morla: you need tro install support for mp3s
[10:32] <Dr_willis>         -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root    8672 2006-07-11 09:28 /usr/bin/smbmnt
[10:32] <Dr_willis>  -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root    6088 2006-07-11 09:28 /usr/bin/smbumount
[10:32] <judgen> Dr_willis: smbmount as you said
[10:32] <mkquist> lis - ur welcome
[10:33] <lis> mkquist mp3
[10:33] <jende_> !mp3
[10:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:33] <mkquist> list - have u installed codecs for nonfree?
[10:33] <gupta> So there are 2 players - Kmplayer and KMplayer AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:33] <Dr_willis> judgen,  you missed the part where trappist corrected me. :)
[10:33] <jende_> lis: check the multimedialinks
[10:33] <morla> BonBonJon: mp3 support my raid setup? :)
[10:33] <BonBonTheJon> morla: lol, sorry, too much going on at once
[10:34] <Jonty> Can anyone explain this: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2331 and how to fix it? It pops up a debconf dialog box which says "Incorrect nice value. Please enter a integer between -20 and 19, in which only cancel works, and then the rest fails miserably
[10:34] <morla> BonBonJon: :)
[10:34] <picarito> i have an user who choose a no existent theme, and when he loged, the system shows an large error page, how can i fix it (replace the selected theme with an active theme)
[10:34] <lis> jende ok
[10:34] <BonBonTheJon> morla: but that would be sweet
[10:34] <lis> thaks everybody
[10:34] <jende_> lis: once again...marok is not installed or not playing your mp3's?
[10:34] <BonBonTheJon> Jonty: did you put in a value
[10:34] <trappist> Jonty: what package is that?  I've gotten it before
[10:34] <morla> BonBonJon: finally my mp3s playing at double speed :P
[10:34] <Jonty> x11-common
[10:34] <thomas__> wow
[10:35] <Jonty> BonBonTheJon: There's no option to, it's in, I presume, a preinst script
[10:35] <BonBonTheJon> morla: or I would have redundancy for the mp3's
[10:35] <thomas__> this is my first time ever using linux online
[10:35] <BonBonTheJon> hi thomas__
[10:35] <jende_> thomas__: hope irs fun
[10:35] <trappist> Jonty: do you have debconf using like qt or something?
[10:35] <morla> BonBonJon: True stereo :)
[10:35] <judgen> Dr_willis: any ideas?
[10:35] <SHRIKEE> is kvpnc a reliable app?
[10:35] <thomas__> isn't there any kind of bootloader in Kubuntu?
[10:35] <jende_> thomas__: hope its fun
[10:35] <BonBonTheJon> morla: lol, bad jokes on both sides
[10:35] <Jonty> trappist: I haven't done anything intentionally
[10:35] <Dr_willis> judgen,  set the permissions right..  :)
[10:35] <judgen> on libsmb?
[10:36] <judgen> then?
[10:36] <thomas__> jende: always fun with a new look :D
[10:36] <Dr_willis> judgen,    -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root    6088 2006-07-11 09:28 /usr/bin/smbumount
[10:36] <Jonty> trappist: but it may be. How do I find out
[10:36] <trappist> Jonty: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf, select dialog, and try again
[10:36] <mkquist> morla - had that same problem, seemed to fix itself after a coupla reboots.. =\
[10:36] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: grub should have been installed
[10:36] <Dr_willis> judgen,  THOSE 2 files are the ones that need to be suid.
[10:36] <Dr_willis> judgen,   -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root    6088 2006-07-11 09:28 /usr/bin/smbumount
[10:36] <Kr4t05> BRB
[10:36] <Jonty> trappist: ahh, it's set to kde
[10:36] <Dr_willis> grr,, silly paste. :)
[10:37] <Jonty> trappist: anyway, set it to dialog
[10:37] <morla> mkquist: and you got into your raid array just without fixing anything?
[10:37] <trappist> Jonty: it's still a bug that should probably be filed, but I think using dialog should get you past it
[10:37] <Jonty> It works! Thanks!
[10:37] <morla> BonBonJon: there are no bad jokes, there only are people without humour :)
[10:37] <thomas__> where can I find Grub?
[10:37] <Dr_willis> judgen,  # sudo chmod +s/usr/bin/smbumount /usr/bin/smbmnt
[10:38] <BonBonTheJon> morla: have you seen the speakers someone made out of a harddrive
[10:38] <Dr_willis> Dang it - i cant paste nothing right. :) missing a space there.
[10:38] <Jonty> Jarkko Oikarinen deserves a medal
[10:38] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: what do you mean?
[10:38] <Jonty> (the inventor of IRC, for those who haven't just looked him up :P)
[10:38] <trappist> Jonty: I'll be your best pal if you file the bug :)
[10:38] <mkquist> morla - nono, sry i say ur comment on mp3's playing at double speed, had a similar problem w/ playing
[10:39] <Jonty> trappist: sure, I have an account
[10:39] <jende_> !grub
[10:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:39] <mkquist> morla saw*
[10:39] <morla> BonBonJon: no.. but now that sound geeky :) do the 'speakers' play the music via rotating at different speeds?
[10:39] <Jonty> trappist: is it just x11-common that's affected?
[10:39] <BonBonTheJon> morla: I think I saw it on Engadget
[10:40] <thomas__> BonBonTheJon:  I don't know how to find Grub ....
[10:40] <morla> mkquist: hehe well it was a little joke about mp3 for raid ;)
[10:40] <jende_> thomas__:
[10:40] <jende_> !grub
[10:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:40] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: what do you want to do with it
[10:40] <trappist> Jonty: I'm pretty sure that's the same package I ran into that issue on
[10:40] <thomas__> When my computer are booting I want to have to opportunity to choose between Kubuntu and Windows
[10:41] <Jonty> trappist: right
[10:41] <morla> BonBonJon: I'll have a look
[10:41] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: are you in kubuntu now?
[10:41] <thomas__> BonBonTheJon:  yes i am
[10:42] <judgen> Dr_willis: what command will that be? sr? if rwxrwxrwx=777 then what to use for sr?
[10:42] <Jonty> trappist: what's a good way of summing up what kde and dialog is to debconf
[10:42] <judgen> 7=rwx
[10:42] <Dr_willis> chmod +s whatever
[10:42] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: do you have a folder /boot/grub
[10:43] <Dr_willis> judgen,  # sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount /usr/bin/smbmnt
[10:43] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: or run "dpkg -l grub" and see if it has an i at the front
[10:43] <Dr_willis> judgen,  # sudo chmod -s  That/file/that/ya/did/earlier
[10:43] <thomas__> BonBonTheJon:  yes
[10:43] <trappist> Jonty: x11-common is uninstallable when debconf method is kde
[10:44] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: so it is installed, when you boot it should say push ESC for the menu
[10:44] <sybux> any know a good tutorial to install postfix, spamassin under ubuntu server ?
[10:44] <thomas__> BonBonTheJon: ok .. I didn't see such text .. but I'll retry
[10:45] <jende_> thomas__: grub will boot by defaut into linux
[10:45] <BonBonTheJon> sybux: google for "ubuntu dapper perfect isp", they have a good tutorial
[10:45] <judgen> Dr_willis: but it tells me in the dialogue in smb4k then that the apps should NOT be owned by root, shall i chown them to user then?
[10:45] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: check if that text appears, if it does we can show the menu
[10:45] <BonBonTheJon> sybux: its like how-to forge or something
[10:45] <sybux> BonBonTheJon: thnx
[10:45] <Dr_willis> judgen,  check your command history... if i recall - the FIRST command you used.. chmoded the WRONG binary - you need to UNsuid that one.
[10:46] <judgen> ok gottcha
[10:46] <Dr_willis> judgen,  check         ls -l /usr/bin/smb*
[10:46] <sybux> yes it's how-to forge.
[10:46] <Dr_willis> judgen,  the suid ones are showing up in BRIGHT red to me. :P
[10:47] <Dr_willis> judgen,  and yes. theres way too many simillary named bianries. :)
[10:47] <judgen> Dr_willis: nope none has changed
[10:47] <Jonty> trappist: There we go: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/68267
[10:47] <Dr_willis> smbmnt  smbumount are the 2 i have that are suid.
[10:47] <judgen> me too
[10:48] <Kr4t05> Er, my kicker keeps crashing...
[10:48] <Dr_willis> close smb4k and repopen it perhaps..
[10:48] <Dr_willis> i unSUID'd the 2 and get    smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts
[10:48] <judgen> the error dialogue differs when i have the +s or not, but the new messages is that it should NOT be set as setuid root
[10:49] <Dr_willis> smbumount must be installed suid root
[10:49] <Dr_willis> judgen,  do a "history | grep chmod" and see what all you chmoded
[10:49] <Jonty> trappist: it's so great to see all the other packages that it help back installing - ahhhh
[10:49] <judgen> i have done that allready
[10:49] <judgen> only those wro files
[10:49] <judgen> two
[10:49] <Jonty> trappist: (I'm very, very thankful)
[10:50] <Dr_willis> ive done this dozens of times.  and never had this issue UNLESS i chmode the wrong file.
[10:50] <morphish> dpkg -L $package is "THE" way to check which files an installed package contains?
[10:50] <sorush20> how do I restart the kde taskbar , when I install something new I can't get the new icons to show in the program?
[10:51] <|Matt|> how much memory does Kubuntu require (reccomended)?
[10:51] <morphish> now i get it, ipkungfu trappist, i knew that name sounded familiar
[10:51] <trappist> Jonty: ossum
[10:51] <trappist> morphish: that's me
[10:51] <Slynderdale> Matt: It runs very well on an old 255 RAM card
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> grrrrrr, wher is the page with sources.list example??
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !multiverse
[10:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:52] <Dr_willis> off to cook some spagattiiiiiiie  bbl.
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> grrr, help
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> spagatti?
[10:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> cosa?
[10:52] <trappist> !repos | Tallia1Kubuntu
[10:52] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:53] <ypsila> hello
[10:53] <sorush20> ypsila:
[10:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> trappist: there's no example source in there
[10:53] <trappist> oh
[10:54] <ypsila> sorush20:
[10:55] <sorush20> ypsila: hi
[10:55] <morphish> this is so neat, although flash9 is unsinstalled, when i go to slashdot FF2 dies a sudden death
[10:55] <sorush20> !kliker
[10:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kliker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <ypsila> hi to you all
[10:55] <morghanphoenix> how do I list the currently running processes to find one I need to kill?
[10:56] <trappist> morghanphoenix: ps aux
[10:56] <ypsila> top
[10:56] <jende_> morghanphoenix: howdy
[10:56] <morghanphoenix> ello
[10:56] <sorush20> morghanphoenix: or you could just do ctrl + alt + del.. to see the processes
[10:56] <trappist> top won't usually display all the processes (your screen probably isn't tall enough)
[10:56] <jende_> ntop -tulpen; if its about internet stuff
[10:57] <virtex> ok.... how do i mount a partition so everyone can read and write to it ???
[10:57] <morghanphoenix> It was the planeshift client
[10:57] <morghanphoenix> Damn thing froze
[10:57] <jende_> virtex: what do you mean by "everyone"?
[10:58] <trappist> virtex: mount with the 'umask=0' option
[10:58] <sorush20> what is the equivalent to netstat in kubuntu
[10:58] <trappist> sorush20: netstat
[10:58] <virtex> if i use the umask option it won't mount at all
[10:58] <jende_> sorush20: netstat
[10:58] <jende_> virtex: what do you mean by "everyone"?
[10:58] <ypsila> virtex: 777
[10:58] <trappist> virtex: option as in mount -o umask=0 /dev/foo /mnt/point
[10:58] <virtex> well right now only root can write files to it
[10:58] <morghanphoenix> That was weird, it wasn't running, just stuck to my screen.
[10:59] <jende_> virtex: as ypsila said you should be fine with 777
[10:59] <cybercoffee> hi :D
[10:59] <trappist> morghanphoenix: you can use xkill to kill frozen gui apps
[11:00] <cybercoffee> i was wondering how do you install a kde theme manager for kubuntu?
[11:00] <trappist> morghanphoenix: hit ctrl-alt-escape, and your cursor should turn into a skull and crossbones, and you just click the offending app
[11:00] <cybercoffee> xkill and ksysguard are phun
[11:00] <virtex> tells me it's the wrong fstype whenever i use the umask option
[11:00] <jende_> virtex: paste it
[11:00] <jende_> 1paste
[11:00] <trappist> virtex: how exactly are you using the umask option (what's the mount command)
[11:00] <morghanphoenix> Nice
[11:00] <jende_> !paste
[11:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:01] <morghanphoenix> Never had that happen before.
[11:01] <ypsila> *kreisch* I want that
[11:01] <ypsila> morghanphoenix: the one and only question: what did you do before?
[11:02] <morghanphoenix> I'm game hunting today, even the guy that got me started on linux has gone back to windows for games.
[11:02] <ypsila> morghanphoenix: okay, I see
[11:02] <virtex> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28314/
[11:02] <trappist> morghanphoenix: not me.  I'm perfectly happy to limit my games to those that either run under cedega or have native linux clients
[11:02] <morghanphoenix> So far the tally is Vendetta Online, and planeshift looks good if I can get it to run.
[11:02] <tich> i've been searching for a link to easykubuntu but they all seem to be either dead or french. where is the link? where can i get current install instructions?
[11:02] <virtex> even without the -t ext3 it gives me the same error
[11:03] <morghanphoenix> Once I get UO working I'll be set for life.
[11:03] <ypsila> tich: what is your aim?
[11:03] <trappist> morghanphoenix: quake 1/2/3/4, ut*, neverwinternights... lots of games run great natively under linux
[11:03] <thomas__> BonBonTheJon:  thanx .. now everything works ...
[11:03] <BonBonTheJon> thomas__: good
[11:03] <thomas__> But ... I have some problems playing mp3 files ...
[11:04] <morghanphoenix> I like NWN, had the special edition box set.
[11:04] <tich> ypsila, i want to install restricted drivers for dvd and music playback.
[11:04] <jende_> thomas__:
[11:04] <virtex> hmmm dmesg had "Unrecognized mount option "umask=0" or missing value"
[11:04] <ypsila> tich: restricted is your keyword
[11:04] <jende_> !libxine-extracodecs
[11:04] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:04] <jende_> thomas__: ^^^^
[11:05] <magical_trevsky> hi, I would like my wireless to autoconnect at startup (rather than me having to use wlassistant every time), and the ubuntu site says to add a line after the line 'iface ra0' in /etc/network/interfaces, but this line doesn't exist.. any ideas?
[11:05] <morghanphoenix> !restricted formats
[11:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:05] <thomas__> is there any better players than amorok? ... it won't play my files :(
[11:05] <morghanphoenix> that's my favorite page for multimedia
[11:05] <jende_> thomas__: are you following us?
[11:05] <virtex> Amorok will play you need to install the codecs
[11:05] <ypsila> thomas__:  xmms
[11:05] <thomas__> it only says ... "the playlist is done"
[11:05] <virtex> or it just skips the songs and fly's through the play list
[11:05] <jende_> thomas__: are you following us?
[11:05] <thomas__> jende: huh?
[11:05] <ypsila> jende_: of course not
[11:05] <virtex> lol
[11:05] <morghanphoenix> Blows right through them without playing?
[11:05] <tich> so is there a link to easykubuntu?
[11:06] <morghanphoenix> thomas
[11:06] <jende_> thomas__: you need the libxie-extracodecs installed
[11:06] <morghanphoenix> easyubuntu works
[11:06] <jende_> !libxine-extracodecs
[11:06] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:06] <thomas__> jende_: ahh ..  ok
[11:06] <ypsila> tich: ever heard of "google"?
[11:06] <jende_> thomas__:
[11:06] <ypsila> tich:  sorry for that kind of answer
[11:06] <thomas__> jende_:  where can I get that?
[11:06] <jende_> thomas__: so, yu will have to modify your sources.list
[11:07] <morghanphoenix> read the restricted formats page, it's got all that on it, including libdvdcss for commercial dvd playback.
[11:07] <jende_> thomas__: pastebin your sources.list
[11:07] <tich> ypsila, i did google it and found only dead or french links (which might also be dead, i don't know)
[11:07] <twosouls82> good evening or something like that to all :)
[11:07] <jende_> thomas__: ALT+F2 "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:07] <tich> which i said before.
[11:08] <jende_> thomas__: and paste it to.....
[11:08] <jende_> !paste
[11:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:08] <ypsila> tich: ah, I'm sorry then
[11:08] <morghanphoenix> More linux programs need shell scripts like the vendetta online installer.
[11:08] <tich> ypsila, that's okay.
[11:10] <tich> ypsila, do people still use it? (or have they ever for kde?) or is it pretty much a dead idea?
[11:10] <thomas__> jende_: : done
[11:10] <ypsila> tich: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-69037.html you get along with this link?
[11:10] <virtex> anyone else have any ideas about mounting the drive ?
[11:10] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: did you upgrade?
[11:10] <jende_> thomas__: so give ne the URL
[11:10] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, yep.
[11:10] <jende_> thomas__: so give me the URL
[11:10] <thomas__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28317/
[11:10] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: with the instructions on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade ?
[11:11] <ypsila> tich:  how could I know?
[11:11] <tich> another question would be: is it smarter to update to edgy then install the restricted stuff or vice versa?
[11:11] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, I started upgrading before those instructions came available. Everything that's mentioned there was upgraded
[11:11] <tich> ypsila, i just assumed you'd know.
[11:11] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: ok. did you experience any problems?
[11:12] <morphish> if kubuntu finds an existing grub, will it only update menu.lst (will it also check for a grub.conf and create a menu.lst from that?)
[11:12] <ypsila> tich:  how? I just googled
[11:12] <ypsila> tich: wait for the edgy release and then try to update
[11:12] <thomas__> !libxine-extracodecs
[11:12] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:13] <jende_> thomas__: here is your new sources.list
[11:13] <jende_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28318/
[11:13] <tich> ypsila, thanks.
[11:13] <Juan___> Hi
[11:13] <ypsila> tich: welcome
[11:13] <thomas__> jende_:  but I havent installed anything ?
[11:13] <Juan___> Could anyone ssh my machine and tell me if it does work ?
[11:14] <Slynderdale> WOw thats real safe
[11:14] <twosouls82> :)
[11:14] <LjL> Juan___: yes it does
[11:14] <Juan___> Thank you !
[11:14] <ypsila> *lach*
[11:14] <jende_> thomas__: so, you can't as you have to modify first of all your sources.list to install something, okay
[11:14] <morphish> morfic@87.223.163.99's password:
[11:14] <thomas__> okay
[11:15] <thomas__> so what I have to do is to rewrite sources.list with your correction?
[11:15] <jende_> thomas__: did you get the URL?
[11:15] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, yes, whenever my system starts now, and X starts up, the colors are a bit distorted until I do a ctrl + alt + f1 and then ctrl + alt + f7, which seems to fix the problem. No dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't fix it. Nor does playing with my vesa modes and so on (I've tried a few things)
[11:15] <thomas__> yes jende_
[11:15] <sorush20> how do i relaod the taksbar with the kmenu on it?
[11:16] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: i meant during the upgrade process (i don't have a solution for that problem.. did you search bugs.ubuntu.com?)
[11:16] <jende_> thomas__: just modify re my corrections,
[11:16] <thomas__> yes
[11:16] <jende_> thomas__: and you'll be fine
[11:16] <thomas__> It's been done :D
[11:16] <jende_> thomas__: okay
[11:16] <jende_> thomas__: close kate now
[11:17] <thomas__> done
[11:17] <jende_> thomas__: then open a console using ALT+F2 -> command console
[11:17] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, well, I had a few packages that refused to be upgraded, but when I 'forcefully' installed xserver-xorg-core, all the other packages that were refusing to install in dist-upgrade, installed
[11:17] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: what about the renamed python packages?
[11:17] <thomas__> doen
[11:18] <sorush20> how do i relaod the taksbar with the kmenu on it?
[11:18] <jende_> thomas__: good. now type sudo apt-get update
[11:18] <Hawkwind> sorush20: You mean kicker ?
[11:18] <twosouls82> alt+f2 -> type 'kicker' for the start menu
[11:18] <jende_> Hawkwind: howdy... ;-)
[11:18] <Hawkwind> sorush20: If it's running currently, killall kicker && kicker & from a terminal or alt-f2
[11:18] <Hawkwind> jende_: Hey there
[11:19] <bLaZeD> weird...i got home and my screen saver was running....but the text that was usaly white was tinted blue.....and when i moved my mouse everything had a blue tint to it....so i logged out of my desktop..and then restarted x....still tinted blue....so i did ctl alt f1 droped to cli and was about to try and see if it was the driver(im using beta nvidia) but it then tunred back to normal b4 i got to edit the
[11:19] <bLaZeD> xorg.conf....and when i 1st went to cli it was still tinted blue.....
[11:19] <thomas__> hey something is unpacking :p lol
[11:19] <thomas__> magic ;)
[11:19] <jende_> thomas__:done?
[11:19] <thomas__> jende_: yes
[11:20] <bLaZeD> only thing i have changed was i have installed beryl, and added the compiz repo...so it updated a few xorg things i think.....but everything still works....and this is the 1st time ive had it happen...
[11:20] <bLaZeD> !schedule
[11:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[11:20] <jende_> thomas__: once that is done type sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:20] <thomas__> hmm .. that did not work
[11:21] <thomas__> ah .. now it works
[11:21] <virtex> how do i mount an ext3 partition so someone besides root can access it ??
[11:21] <Ash-Fox> fdoving, looking in the .bash_history, yes, those too :)
[11:21] <bLaZeD> virtex, u can do it diff ways
[11:21] <fdoving> Ash-Fox: ok, thanks :)
[11:22] <zorglu_> "The time has come to introduce some seriously interesting, but definitely edgy, new technologies that lay the groundwork for the next wave of Ubuntu development.<- from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu but unfortunatly they dont explain what are those new technology, only give the new version of the supported package. anybody with an idea of what are those new tech ?
[11:22] <bLaZeD> if the user is gonna permantly be allowed to it...use chown
[11:22] <amorgen> hello all
[11:22] <sorush20> i can't see the programs that i have just install in the kmenu how do I het to see them?
[11:22] <thomas__> jende_: done!
[11:22] <jende_> thomas__: start amarok and play an mp3 file
[11:22] <inteliwasp> a programming newb question: how hard is it to port a program from windows to linux with the sourcecode?
[11:22] <virtex> chown what ? the directory it's being mounted too ??
[11:22] <amorgen> someone could help with fglrx please ?
[11:22] <inteliwasp> !fglrx
[11:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:23] <thomas__> hmm
[11:23] <thomas__> nothing seems to happend
[11:23] <zorglu_> inteliwasp: depend on the program
[11:23] <thomas__> same thing as previously
[11:23] <bLaZeD> virtex, say u have a partion mounted at /music ...u would chown user /music(check the sytax...it may be chown user user /music)\
[11:23] <amorgen> i followed the howto but i still have a problem loading the agp module
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> inteliwasp: that would on how dependent it was on the win32 api
[11:24] <amorgen> some people say there is something weird with "cat /proc/mtrr"
[11:24] <virtex> bLaZeD: operation not permitted
[11:24] <inteliwasp> the website said it used the .net 2.0
[11:24] <jende_> thomas__: thats weird
[11:24] <bLaZeD> virtex, as root
[11:24] <thomas__> jende_: I'll retry
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> inteliwasp: well you could try compiling it under mono & see what it bitches at
[11:24] <virtex> bLaZeD: LOL my bad
[11:25] <jende_> thomas__: ah well, you might have to close amarok and restart it
[11:25] <morghanphoenix> duh, sudo the binary installer.
[11:25] <bLaZeD> virtex, np ;)
[11:25] <inteliwasp> !mono
[11:25] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.13.6-0ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[11:25] <amorgen> "(EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOSPC"
[11:25] <morghanphoenix> I feel smart now
[11:25] <thomas__> maybe I should reboot?
[11:25] <apsog33> real quick question. What is an easy to use firewall for kubuntu/kde
[11:25] <jende_> thomas__: just close amarok once and restart it
[11:25] <zorglu_> !firewall
[11:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:25] <jende_> !IPCop
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about IPCop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <virtex> bLaZeD: Thanks man, works fine now
[11:26] <apsog33> thanks bot :)
[11:26] <bLaZeD> virtex, good...i did that to several of my partions...
[11:26] <windshear> ipcop can't be installed on a kubuntu machine
[11:26] <jende_> zorglu_: a real nice firewall is IPCop...google tells you but it
[11:26] <amorgen> you think binary driver would solve ?
[11:26] <thomas__> jende_:  it doesn't work
[11:26] <thomas__> weird
[11:27] <jende_> thomas__: mmore than weird. what says a sudo apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs
[11:27] <zorglu_> jende_: noted
[11:27] <virtex> bLaZeD: Yea i was getting annoyed having 260gb's of space an only root able to access it lol
[11:28] <bLaZeD> hehe
[11:28] <amorgen> what agp module to load with ati radeon mobility and nforce3 laptop ?
[11:28] <thomas__> jende_: it only flush my playlist ... no sound at all
[11:29] <jende_> thomas__: more than weird. what says a sudo apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs    -> paste the output
[11:29] <jende_> !paste
[11:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:30] <jende_> apsog33: kmyfirewall
[11:30] <jende_> !kmyfirewall
[11:30] <ubotu> kmyfirewall: iptables based firewall configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1214 kB, installed size 4060 kB
[11:31] <thomas__> weird
[11:32] <thomas__> I closed amaroK four or five times ... then suddenly it worked
[11:32] <jende_> apsog33: if you#re looking for a "real" firewall you may want to lokk at IPCop
[11:32] <jende_> thomas__: now it'll work forever, no doubt
[11:32] <thomas__> thanx jende_ :)
[11:33] <jende_> thomas__: no worries, you're welcome
[11:33] <morghanphoenix> how do you launch a desktop shortcut as root?
[11:33] <thomas__> Is it possible to get VLC player in Kubutu btw?
[11:33] <jende_> !VLC
[11:33] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:33] <virtex> thomas__: Yes it is i have VLC
[11:33] <virtex> VLC rocks
[11:34] <thomas__> I'd love to have VLC :D
[11:34] <jende_> I'm off now -> heading to bed; take care folks
[11:34] <twosouls82> night jende_
[11:34] <jende_> twosouls82: godd n8
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> n8 jende_
[11:35] <jende_> TheGateKeeper: yo, buddy, good night!see ya tomorrow, I hope
[11:35] <jende_> TheGateKeeper: after I joined the edgy release party
[11:35] <virtex> can Amarok play Audio CD ?
[11:36] <twosouls82> yep
[11:36] <virtex> nvm lol figured it out
[11:36] <twosouls82> ;) virtex
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> jende_: well I got to do some backing up before I let it near my pc :-)
[11:37] <virtex> lol i decided the best way to learn linux would be to abandon windows completely... lol :) haven't had too many problems so far just little stuff, got it to play the audio cd :) yay
[11:37] <twosouls82> heh lol
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> :)
[11:37] <twosouls82> you go virtex
[11:41] <virtex> lol
[11:43] <virtex> can i make it so konqueror doesn't open stuff on single click ?
[11:44] <Hawkwind> virtex: Yes
[11:44] <Hawkwind> virtex: kcontrol -> Peripheraels -> Mouse
[11:47] <virtex> Hawkwind: Thanks
[11:49] <Hawkwind> virtex: You're welcome
[11:55] <virtex> l8r all
[11:55] <nino> kdm is back to normal
[11:56] <webpower_> hi
[11:56] <nino> thanks for u help
[11:56] <webpower_> i've a problem
[11:56] <nino> bj have to go now thanks a mill
[11:57] <webpower_> i've compiled a kernel vanilla, it works, but when i start it with bootsplash, appears a black screen, and I start seeing when starts kde
[11:59] <Ash-Fox> Is there any way to make the edgy bootsplash more verbose like dapper's?
[12:01] <tmdx120> hello all. I have a question about booting and hdd accessl
[12:01] <Ash-Fox> !ask
[12:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:01] <poisonborz> ...umm... pretty lame place to ask for support, but could someone help with a not-loading display module?
[12:02] <tmdx120> I must managed to edit my GRUB so that I can have my second HDD as part of my boot menu instead of having to edit my boot parameters every time.
[12:02] <poisonborz> fresh install, and display module just won't load
[12:03] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, sorry, I don't understand wat you're trying todo?
[12:03] <webpower_> chi mi aiuta col problemino?
[12:03] <tmdx120> Now, in dapper I cannot access my fat32 partition (for shared files) on my 1st HDD. it says "could not mount device. The reported error was: mount: can't find /dev/hda4 in  /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:04] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: sorry let me explain. I have two HDD. HDA and SDA. I have a dual boot on HDA (XP/Mepis). On my SDA I have Dapper.
[12:05] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: I just managed to edit GRUB so that I can have SDA/ Dapper as an option. Before this I had to change boot drive priority in the bios menu. what a pain.
[12:06] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: so, now that I have that option in grub when I get into Dapper I cannot mount my HDA drive. I have a fat 32 partion that I set up for sharing between all my OS's
[12:06] <locustwar> hi all
[12:06] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  manual mounting dont work?
[12:07] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: the message I get whe I try to mount is "mount: cant find /dev/hda4 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:07] <locustwar> i decided to move from windows to linux, i have some questions:
[12:07] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  ask away
[12:08] <locustwar> i saw there aren't extensions in linux, are windows files compatible with linux ?
[12:08] <Dr_willis> the extensions do not change the data in the file.
[12:08] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: i get can't find /hda4 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:08] <poisonborz> (can you multitask between questions? :) I've just installed dapper, and there's no display module... I would love to explore dapper, but not in 60mhz...)
[12:08] <Dr_willis> Open office files under windows work under linux, as do images and so forth.
[12:09] <Dr_willis> poisonborz,  heh - the wiki/forums got all sorts of X cofiguration  howto/guides.  may need to read the "!fixres" bot factoid.
[12:09] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[12:09] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:10] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, GRUB uses the BIOS boot order to detect which partitinos and harddrives, so (HD0,0) is the first harddrive, first partition, if it's the second harddrive detected where your data has been moved you need to change it to HD1,0 in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:10] <poisonborz> thx ubotu...
[12:10] <Dr_willis> ubotu,  is a bot. :P
[12:10] <Dr_willis> !bot
[12:10] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:10] <locustwar> ok, so for example, if i create a 3d model with blender on linux, i will be able to read it with blender on windows ?