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mdztfheen: is that you building dvds?12:09
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mdztfheen: I did a full set of desktop CD builds, but only ubuntu for alternate12:21
mdztfheen: we need new alternate builds all around12:21
mvomdz: have you seen bug #66779 already? it seems to prevent me from installing edgy one of my test-systems. i have no idea if this is a real problem or just affect some machines/hw configurations12:27
UbugtuMalone bug 66779 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Ubuntu 6.10 Desktop for i386 installation crashes on zlib_inflate_codes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6677912:27
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mdzmvo: so far we have no compelling data; the problem seems media related but more sensitive to random access than sequential12:29
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mdzit curiously seems more common now than at beta, but the relevant kernel bits are unchanged12:29
mvoright. I just wanted to be sure that you know about it because it hit me with two different CD-Rs on the same machine12:31
mvolets wait for sfllaw and see if he can reproduce it12:31
mvobut I need to catch some sleep now :)12:31
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sfllawI'm almost done grabbing the new images.12:33
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dcstimmhey guys, I am looking to remove the "Press Enter to shutdown" question at the end of the livecd shutdown, do you guys know where that script is located?01:19
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zMottis there a way to display full meta data on photo's or music...etc by moving the mouse over the file..01:21
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dcstimmdo you guys know what initrd file the shutdown files are read from the one in /boot/initrd.gz or the one on the root of the cd in /casper?01:46
dcstimmfor the livecd?01:47
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BenCcjwatson: ping02:36
cjwatsonBenC: Rather than just pinging me, please tell me what you want and I'll reply when I'm around.02:36
BenCI hate these auto-ping-replies02:37
BenCcjwatson: is live-cd using squashfs v3 or v2 format?02:37
ogra_keescook, you saw bug 66726 on powerpc ?02:39
UbugtuMalone bug 66726 in edubuntu-artwork "edubuntu artw ork has funny colors on amd64" [Low,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6672602:39
keescookogra_: correct.  usplash on edubuntu both live and install CDs still had busted colors02:40
ogra_keescook, with exactly the same effect as shown in the screenshot ? 02:41
ogra_i nearly cant belive that since we dont use 16 colors in ppc02:41
dcstimmhey guys, where is the shutdown script in the initrd file for knot3?02:41
keescookyes, though the picture isn't very crisp02:41
dcstimmI have been searching all though initrd and I cant find it02:42
dcstimmI found it in 6.0602:42
dcstimmbut not in knot302:42
keescookogra_: this is on my G4 PowerBook.  What would you like me to pull for details/debugging?02:42
ogra_keescook, its fine on my G4 ibook and i wouldnt know why the 16 color pic should be used on any powerpc ...02:43
ogra_thats a bit irritating ... especially since the picure is nearly completely black since yesterday02:43
ogra_(the 16 color variant)02:44
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ogra_its a bit weird that you see an amd64 specific bug there02:45
keescookmight be nv-specific?02:45
ogra_could you try to take a pic with a digicam or something like that and attach it to the bug  ?02:45
dcstimmanyone know?02:45
keescookogra_: sure thing.  I just need to find my camera charger. :)02:46
ogra_well, its fixed for michael ... so i doubt its nv specific02:46
keescookactually, now that I'm watching closely, the usplash goes completely away (except for the progress bar) after a little while.  I didn't notice that during the initial test (doing too many things at the same time, it seems)02:47
keescookeverything goes black except the green progress bar.  I'll snap a pick of that too02:47
ogra_thats another bug02:47
keescookso I've got two bugs now.  :)02:47
ogra_you mean while the bouncing progressbar is active ?02:48
keescookbut before that the colors are trashed.02:48
ogra_yep, i saw that too and heard about it from ubuntu users as well02:48
ogra_its supposed to look like that: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/usplash_640_480.png02:49
dcstimmDo you guys know what file in the initrd file controls ejecting the cd when shutting down the ubuntu livecd?02:50
keescookdcstimm: I don't, sorry.  :(02:51
dcstimmit used to be /lib/casper/shutdown02:51
dcstimmnow I have no clude02:51
ogra_keescook, its not urgent btw, i doubt we'll have many rebuilds of the CDs before tomorrow and will fix the bug through upgrades post release ...02:51
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jaebirdI just wanted to let y'all know about the kernel panic i have in the i386 desktop live cd. it is all in bug 6328302:52
UbugtuMalone bug 63283 in ubiquity "Live CD will not boot on my PC." [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6328302:52
keescookogra_: okay.  I'll upload pictures tomorrow.  Do you want any lspci or similar output?02:52
ogra_might make sense ... 02:53
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keescookwow!  I can eject the CD while the livecd is running.  Hah.  oops02:54
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ogra_keescook, known problem ...02:55
ogra_pitti enabled unlocked CD drives for the desktop in general because so many people complained :)02:56
ogra_now we'll have many people complaining that they can eject the live CD :)02:56
ogra_hmm, i thought we were supposed to have new isos 02:57
dcstimmanyone know where the option to press enter (when shutting down) is on the new livecds?  I want to remove that02:58
Nafalloehrm, why?02:58
dcstimmbecause its not working for me03:00
dcstimmin 6.06 it was easy I just removed read x > /dev/console03:02
dcstimmin knot3 and rc I cant figure it out03:02
dcstimmany idea?03:02
ogra_ok, no new isos to test .. then i'll take some hours of sleep ... 03:04
keescookogra_: should the artwork bug be reassigned to usplash?03:05
keescook(or a new bug opened?)03:05
dcstimmanyone know why they switched from a nice progress bar that moved from left to right to one that moves back and forward a million times with usplash boot?03:06
Fujitsudcstimm: because the progress bar didn't move at a reasonably constant speed.03:07
dcstimmFujitsu, yeah but now I have no idea if its really doing anything03:07
dcstimmFujitsu, is that setting inside the usplash-artwork.so file?03:08
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dcstimmso if I removed that file and inserted one from before would it still act the same?03:09
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Riddelldoko_: please test kubuntu amd64 dvd text install, I've had it fail with the same corrupt package on two dvd media so I'd like someone to check it03:10
jdongdcstimm: huh? when did this happen?03:11
jdongdid I miss something?03:11
jdongmine only seems to move forward03:11
dcstimmjdong, in rc03:11
jdongthough I gotta admit it'd be alot more entertaining if it went both ways03:11
jdongdcstimm: hmm, really....03:11
jdongmy progress bars seem to move forward only03:12
dcstimmjdong, I have showed it to ALOT of people and they dont like it03:12
dcstimmjdong, iv only used the ppc livecd 03:12
jdongno kidding, if it goes back and forth nobody's gonna like that03:12
dcstimmjdong, maybe its a livecd only thing?03:12
jdongI'm using i38603:12
jdongmaybe it's a livecd thing03:12
jdongon the final installs for amd64 and i386, I haven't noticed that behavior03:12
dcstimmIm wondering if I use a old knot3 usplash file if it would change that03:13
dcstimmiv made a couple with different graphics03:13
dcstimmjdong, any idea where the script is located that controls the shutdown of the ubuntu livecd?  Lately its been broken, in knot3, its all black but you have to press enter to have the machine to shutdown, in rc, it comes up with usplash_write text saying to press enter but it doesnt shut down the computer..03:15
dcstimmso I have settled with knot3 for now, and I want to go in and remove the option to have to press enter03:15
jdongI don't know...03:15
jdongshould be all in rc6.d03:15
dcstimmwith in the filesystem.squash or initrd file?03:16
jdongI'd guess filesystem.squash03:16
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dcstimmjdong, found it, its inside of /etc/init.d/casper03:18
jdongbddebian: it seems like the azureus god has done his work :D03:18
bddebianjdong: I saw that :-)03:18
jdongtoo bad there's still no tray icon03:18
jdongfix that :)03:18
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dcstimmjdong, thanks for the tip, I didnt realize that they had moved it from the initrd file to the local fs03:23
bddebianjdong: Your fingers broke or something? :)03:23
dcstimmbddebian, lol03:24
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jdongbddebian: my fingers don't work with java03:27
jdongbddebian: and chances are if I touch it the whole main window will disappear too!03:28
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Hobbseetfheen: how frozen is universe04:09
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Chad110hey guys, got a quick rdiff-backup question04:10
FujitsuHobbsee: I'm pretty sure we're as normal for the past week (ie. approval by UVF team for everything).04:13
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HobbseeFujitsu: edgy releases tomorrow, the archives close at some point04:13
Fujitsumain closed yesterday, universe is still open for a while yet, I believe.04:13
FujitsuAsk ajmitch, he's the resident god in this timezone.04:14
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ajmitchwatch it..04:15
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Hobbseeajmitch: when does universe freeze?04:16
ajmitchI haven't heard04:16
ajmitchprobably when I'm told that they won't accept any more04:17
FujitsuI'd presume it'd really be at dholbach's disgression, although probably a few hours before release to let the mirrors get into a consistent state.04:17
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zuloh goody i can upload another xen kernel hah!04:18
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Hobbseezul: *g*04:18
HobbseeFujitsu: i found a better mirror than that04:18
ajmitchzul: what do you want to break now? :)04:18
Hobbseeajmitch: everything, as usual04:18
FujitsuHobbsee: which do you use?04:18
HobbseeFujitsu: deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse04:19
FujitsuYou could have just said pacific.net.au :)04:19
FujitsuThey're in sync, are they?04:19
Hobbseeseems to be *fairly* up to date - i've not found anything that it doesnt have04:19
Hobbseeafaik, yes04:19
HobbseeFujitsu: i could have - but i had to look it up04:19
FujitsuThe official one often fails to update for a day or two, or has a newer Packages without the actual debs...04:20
Hobbseeyeah, i noticed that04:20
Hobbseeannoying thing04:20
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tom47where are the desktop backgrounds stored in ubuntu?04:57
tritiumtom47: /usr/share/backgrounds04:58
tritiumalso see /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds04:59
tom47what colour depth are they in general?04:59
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tom47i ask because when the screen'dims' as part of logging out it looses "smoothness" in graduations of colour and i was wondering why05:03
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zulhey fabbione 05:13
fabbionehi zul05:13
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whiprushmdz: is there anything blocking on getting NetworkAuthentication approved for -mtv? What are we missing?05:44
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cjwatsonBenC: we just call mksquashfs with no (interesting) options; IIRC that's v307:49
BenCcjwatson: I'm pretty sure I found the bug, and it's fixed upstream07:50
BenCit describes it as a rare problem with SMP + multiple squashfs mounts07:50
cjwatsonBenC: we've seen it on UP too, I'm afraid07:53
cjwatsonthough there might be multiple problems07:54
BenCcjwatson: Basically it was using a single data set to keep track of streams to zlib, and it was trumping it with bad data07:54
BenCcjwatson: There were about 6 other bugs of lesser degree mentioned in the upstream changelog07:55
BenCone other one was huge stack usage, that's now being handled with dynamic data allocations07:55
cjwatsonBenC: can you mail me references to the patches, and I'll discuss with mdz when I get to the office?07:56
BenCdeep stack usage could also cause problems, but I'm not sure it is the same thing07:56
BenCI can email you the diff I applied to the edgy kernel for squashfs07:56
cjwatsonBenC: I think we'll probably release what we've got and try to publish an -updates CD ASAP that people can use if they're having problems07:56
BenCit's pending if you decide an upload is warranted07:56
BenCcjwatson: Basic work around I think is "use the alternate CD"07:57
cjwatsonbut that depends on how widespread the breakage is07:57
cjwatsonBenC: right, if that's a workaround, that's great07:57
cjwatsonmvo thought earlier that ICH6/ICH7 systems were affected07:57
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cjwatsonwhich scared me into suspecting something at the disk controller layer07:58
BenCno, I suspect those are just the more common dual core machines07:58
cjwatsonif it's isolated to squashfs, then indeed we can just recommend the alternate CD07:58
pittiGood morning07:58
cjwatsonBenC: yeah, if you can e-mail me that diff, that would be good, thanks07:58
cjwatsonBenC: I'll get to the office within 3 hours from now; will you still be around?07:59
cjwatsonBenC: if not, could you upload that kernel so that it can sit in the unapproved queue?07:59
pitticjwatson: the alternate CD is still out of date (20061024.2 has the very same .debs that .1 has, it didn't pick up the new initramfs-tools); can you please spin new images so that testing can continue?07:59
cjwatsonthen we'll have the option ... we might well reject it08:00
cjwatsonpitti: building08:00
cjwatsonin screen - I'm about to get a train08:01
BenCcjwatson: current git has two other patches in it...one is a headers_install fix for ia64 (touches nothing non-ia64), and the other is the addition of pata_marvell, which is a case of, it doesn't work now because we don't have a driver, so adding it can't hurt08:01
pitticjwatson: cheers08:01
BenCcjwatson: I email the diff for squashfs, and the changelog, and upload08:02
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pittisfllaw: ping08:20
sfllawpitti: Pong.08:21
sfllawHow can I help you?08:21
pittisfllaw: we have new alternate and desktop CDs, I upgrade the matrix now08:21
pittisfllaw: shall I just clean out all the results so that it's easier to read, or use 2006old-pass?08:22
pittitfheen: we need new server images (due to new initramfs-tools), I'm going to mark it as out of date in T/C for now08:22
pittitfheen: likewise Kubuntu DVD08:26
khextdoko_: ping?08:27
pittitfheen: rest of {,k,ed}ubuntu is current08:28
tfheenpitti: thanks.08:28
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doko_khext: ?08:32
khextdoko_, hi, can i talk with you in private?08:35
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sfllawpitti: Oh.08:47
sfllawpitti: Sorry, got in a conversation.08:47
pittisfllaw: I keep the results and use the 'old' syntax for now08:48
sfllawpitti: The instructions on Testing/Current say to drop PASSes that don't have comments.08:48
pittisfllaw: ah, I see08:48
tfheenHobbsee: I don't do universe, talk to dholbach or ajmitch or somebody.08:48
pittiwhoa, editing this page is real work08:49
Kagoudoko_: can you please have a look at Bug #66519 (for confirmation or workaround)08:50
UbugtuMalone bug 66519 in openoffice.org "form and queries wizard (Oo Base) don't work" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6651908:50
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Hobbseetfheen: okay.  i thought you might know anyway :_08:57
Hobbsee * :)08:57
sfllawHas anyone else experienced the installation CD not rebooting when it claims it should?09:00
mvosfllaw: I have seen this too09:03
mvosfllaw: thanks a lot for your testing on the vaio, good that you can't rerproduce it09:03
sfllawmvo: Have you filed a bug?  I can't find one in Malone, but it might be reported anywhere.09:03
sfllawmvo: No, I did on the fifth try.09:03
mvosfllaw: no, it was very late yesterday when I have seen it09:03
sfllawmvo: See bug 65106.09:04
UbugtuMalone bug 65106 in linux-source-2.6.17 "oops in zlib_inflate_fast" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6510609:04
sfllawI don't know if the new desktop CD has a fix for this, though.09:04
mvoprobably not yet09:06
doko_Kagou: the queries wizard does work for me, both java runtimes09:07
pittiok, test matrix is cleared and has updated timestamps09:07
Kagoudoko_: forms wizard also ?09:08
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dholbachgood morning09:09
Kagouhey dholbach 09:09
sfllawdholbach: Morning.09:09
dholbachhey Kagou09:09
dholbachhiya sfllaw09:09
dholbachhow's it going guys?09:09
sfllawNew CD.09:10
sfllawMore rsyncing.09:10
dholbachapart from the squashfs issue something we really need to worry about?09:10
sfllawIt's all good.09:10
Kagoudoko_: i look if it's a localisation (french) problem09:12
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Kagoudoko_: are you using the same version like me or your updated (2.0.4-2ubuntu0) version of oo ?09:13
dholbachsfllaw: you heard of a test kernel with the squashfs fix?09:14
infinitydholbach: Mind if I do a last-minute fix to apache1.3, and then execute that UVF php4 merge (for security patches and such)?09:14
sfllawdholbach: No, I haven't.09:14
infinity(Yay for spending the last two weeks on main and ignoring universe completely... Go Adam)09:14
dholbachinfinity: i'm your no1 fan if you do09:14
sfllawdholbach: Hmm.09:14
sfllawdholbach: BenC mentioned one in http://launchpad.net/bugs/6510609:15
UbugtuMalone bug 65106 in linux-source-2.6.17 "oops in zlib_inflate_fast" [High,Fix committed]  09:15
doko_Kagou: yes09:15
dholbachsfllaw: yes and it's "fix committed"09:15
sfllawI presume it's in the archive, then.09:15
dholbachno, there was no kernel upload for a while09:15
dholbachit's "fix committed" not "fix released"09:16
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sfllawOh, sorry.09:16
dholbachI thought YOU of all knew that ;-)09:16
sfllawYou're right.09:16
dholbachi hope there'll be a test kernel :-/09:16
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sfllawI hope so too.  It would be pretty bad if the squashfs thing got released.09:16
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mvolets wait for the release managers, but I will happily test any fix. my machine seems to be a good test-candidate :)09:17
pittisfllaw: so, better to hold off CD testing until we get new images with that fix?09:18
dholbachmvo: same here09:18
pittisince we tested yesterday's pretty thoroughly and today we just have the new initramfs-tools, it wouldn't make sense to fully test them all if they will be thrown away anyway09:18
dholbachpitti: I think BenC is in bed now - so it'd take a while to get it uploaded, no?09:18
sfllawpitti: Upsettingly, I think so.09:19
pittidholbach: right, that's a problem, but doesn't change the testing situation09:19
dholbachpitti: yeah, right.09:19
sfllawA new kernel definitely requires going through everything.09:19
pittiso if tfheen wants that fix in maybe we should phone Ben out of bed09:19
sfllawtfheen: Ping?09:19
pittifabbione: or, do you know how to handle this kernel upload?09:20
dholbachsfllaw: he went for a dogwalk09:20
sfllawBenC was around an hour ago.09:20
sfllawBut I guess he isn't any more.09:20
fabbionepitti: sorry?09:20
sfllawIt is pretty late.09:20
fabbionepitti:  i wasn't paying attention to IRC09:20
pittifabbione: we need a new kernel upload to fix bug 6510609:20
UbugtuMalone bug 65106 in linux-source-2.6.17 "oops in zlib_inflate_fast" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6510609:20
pittifabbione: it's holding up new CDs and thus testing09:21
fabbionepitti: BenC did upload already.. it should be in the queue09:21
pittiah, cool09:21
dholbachoh nice09:21
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pittiso cjwatson only needs to approve it09:21
fabbionepitti: it's waiting cjwatson, mdz and tfheen foobar09:21
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sfllawIf only tfheen could spin images with the new kernel before approval.09:22
fabbioneguys do you realize that it will take AT LEAST 12 hours to get new images with the new kernel?09:23
fabbione(assuming it builds)09:23
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dholbachfabbione: if that fixes the issue - i'm happy to test09:24
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fabbionedholbach: it will invalidate ALL the tests...09:24
fabbionedholbach: i don't mind testing, it's just hell of a lot of work at less than 24 from release09:25
fabbioneand we are not sure it will fix anythihng09:25
dholbachfabbione: it's not because I'm bitten by the bug - I know how to install an alternate cd or upgrade from dapper - I'm just quite sure that we've only seen the tip of the iceberg of people being not able to install09:25
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fabbionedholbach:  it only bites on SMP or CoreDuo machines.09:26
sfllawIf people get random errors in the middle of install, it will all be filed against Kamion.09:26
sfllawfabbione: Dude, do you know how many Core Duo machines there are out there?09:26
sfllawEvery laptop manufacturer has basically jumped on this chips.09:26
fabbionesfllaw: no, i don't have one yet.. want to ship me one?09:26
sfllawI wish I could.09:26
sfllawBut they can't leave this office.09:26
sfllawWant to move to Montral?09:27
sfllawIt's a beautiful city.09:27
sfllawWith lovely women.09:27
pittiok, let's hope that tfheen's dog returns soon, so that his owner can decide about this09:28
fabbionesfllaw: <- married with a kid... and no.. i don't like Canada :)09:28
sfllawHey, it's OK to look.09:29
sfllawYou told me that yourself.09:29
sfllawI distinctly recall.09:29
dholbachfabbione: i don't use an smp machine and it still happens to me... we use an smp kernel for everybody, no? 09:30
sfllawYes, we do.09:30
sfllawThe laptop I have here is a Core Duo, though.09:30
fabbionedholbach: do you have a coreduo or dual core or Core duo?09:31
fabbioneor whatever.. something with more than one core09:31
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fabbioneor more than one thread09:31
carlospitti: ping09:32
dholbachfabbione: no, I don't - it's a p409:32
pitticarlos: pooonngggg09:32
tfheenBenC: we have the problem on UP systems too, AIUI.09:32
carlospitti: I just fixed edgy-updates09:32
carlosnot sure whether your script already failed09:32
pittiah, right, I need to fix my scripts09:32
fabbionedholbach: time to upgrade? :P09:32
carlospitti: we have already 500 updated .po files09:32
dholbachfabbione: to have the same issue again? no, don't think so09:33
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Kagoudoko_: in fact query and form wizards run well if i remove sun-jre and use the 1.4.2 fsf java implementation09:50
Kagoui edit the bug09:50
doko_Kagou: ohh?09:51
doko_Kagou: yes, you're right ...09:52
Kagoudoko_: i'v changed description of Bug #6651909:55
UbugtuMalone bug 66519 in openoffice.org "query wizard (Oo Base) doesn't work with Sun 1.5.0 java" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6651909:55
Kagoudoko_: thank you for confirmation :)09:55
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pittihi mdz10:01
dholbachgood morning mdz10:01
mdzpitti: I am not very convinced by the SMP explanation for 6510610:02
mdzerrors like that have been seen on uniprocessor systems as well10:02
pittimdz: *having no idea*, WFM10:02
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Keybuk  112996 | S- | camorama             | 0.18-0ubuntu1        | 19 minutes10:04
Keybuk         | * camorama/0.18-0ubuntu1 Component: universe Section: gnome10:04
Keybuk  112995 | S- | linux-source-2.6.17  | 2.6.17-10.34         | 1 hour 50 minutes10:04
Keybuk         | * linux-source-2.6.17/2.6.17-10.34 Component: main Section: devel10:04
Keybuktfheen: ^10:04
Keybukdholbach: ^10:04
dholbachKeybuk: camorama fix is good - please approve10:05
dholbachKeybuk: upstream gets n+1 duplicates filed about crashes in ubuntu that are fixed in that version10:05
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pitticarlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/daily/edgy-updates/ WOO!10:10
carlospitti: ;-)10:10
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carlosstub: hi, could you give me a patch number and db review for https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/carlos/launchpad/bug-2322/full-diff ?10:14
carlosstub: jamesh did already the code review 10:14
carlosso I just need the db number to merge it10:14
jameshcarlos: wrong channel10:14
carlosjamesh: thanks ;-)10:15
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tfheenfabbione: ubuntu-server done.10:27
tfheenkubuntu dvd done.10:27
tfheensfllaw: ^^10:27
fabbionetfheen: ok thanks10:27
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sfllawtfheen: Merci.10:34
doko_tfheen: the second kubuntu DVD today?10:38
tfheendoko_: hmm?  It should be the first one, iirc.10:38
doko_tfheen: but about 1hour ago?10:39
tfheendoko_: oh, I might have taken a bit to notice it was done, yes.10:39
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doko_ok, got the right disc10:40
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mdzdholbach: it's time to stop accepting uploads for anything but a showstopper, including universe.  we should have dedicated access to the publisher if we need to act quickly10:53
dholbachmdz: alright, will pass it on10:54
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infinitymdz: I had one security/ftbfs upload for php4 in universe pending for dholbach that I was about to upload, should I just scrap that?10:58
mdzinfinity: yes please, need all eyes on this oops10:59
infinitymdz: Alright.  I'll just get it shoved into edgy-security later then, or something.10:59
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doko_Riddell: kubuntu DVD text install works for me, both yesterdays and todays DVDs11:03
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cjwatsonmdz: FWIW, I've reviewed the proposed squashfs diff (FWIW since I'm fairly kernel-illiterate) and it does look pretty sensible - it's all switching from static or stack allocation to heap allocation, and practically nothing else11:05
cjwatsonmdz: would like to talk about it when you get to the office, anyway11:05
cjwatsonin confcall with tfheen11:06
mdzcjwatson: yes, it's eminently sensible but so far we have no reason to believe that it's related to our bug11:06
mdzcjwatson: tfheen is preparing a test live CD, dholbach is trying to isolate where the problem began in edgy, Keybuk is testing SMP vmware, mvo doing some other experiments11:06
mdzwe're not acting until we know what we're dealing with here11:07
mdzI'm coming in to the office now11:07
pepsimantfheen: I have a problem with usplash-theme-ubuntu on AMD64.  The debdiff may explain it: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HawE0C96.html  Look at line 2211:10
pittipepsiman: we just fixed that11:10
pittipepsiman: (not sure whether tfheen already approved it, but it was discussed and tested)11:11
pepsimanpitti: ah ok, thx11:11
cjwatsonmdz: yeah, I've just caught up on #canonical11:12
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doko_ajmitch, dholbach: please approve http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/edgy/eclipse.debdiff, fixing crash on amd6411:36
Fujitsudoko_: We're rather frozen, AFAIK...11:37
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cjwatsondoko_: eclipse will block the buildds for some time, and we need agility right now11:39
cjwatsondoko_: so I'm strongly inclined not to accept that11:40
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infinitydoko_: mdz declared universe closed for "anything but showstoppers" a few hours ago.11:43
infinityOr, rather, an hour ago.11:43
doko_cjwatson: ok, didn't see that. will have to go to -updates, if a window doesn't open again11:44
cjwatsontfheen: that hung on the ubiquity timezone page11:46
cjwatsonI'll try again and check exactly what's mounted11:46
cjwatsonhmm, I wonder if vmware has hung; I can't reset the VM11:47
cjwatsonsorry, wrong channel11:48
sfllawcjwatson: I noticed that Dapper's ubiquity timezone page had a magnifying glass cursor for zooming in.11:50
sfllawBut I don't notice that in Edgy's ubiquity.11:50
sfllawDid you pull that out, or is that a minor bug?11:50
cjwatsonit should still be there; I haven't touched that11:51
cjwatsonsfllaw: don't see it here either; I think it's a minor bug as a side-effect of some of the back/forward rearrangements11:55
cjwatsonwell spotted11:55
sfllawcjwatson: Didn't even notice until I saw the old one.11:55
sfllawShall I file?11:55
cjwatsonyes please11:56
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seb128grumpf, hate my dsl provider12:03
seb128lot of packets lost and timeout all over the place since this morning12:04
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sfllaw9/g 2512:58
dholbachis that part of the a/s/l game or what? ;-)01:00
ubuntu_demonhey :)01:01
sivanghey dholbach, ubuntu_demon01:02
ubuntu_demonI'm going to be more in #ubuntu-devel from now on because UDS Mountain View is coming closer. And this will be an interesting time because Edgy is almost to be released.01:03
sfllawdholbach: Yeah, I'm a "g".01:04
dholbachsfllaw: I always knew it01:04
ubuntu_demondholbach: I spoke to Josh of ubuntuos.com It's a podcast by normal Ubuntu users. He's searching for some Gnome people to attend his podcast. Would you be interested if and when you have the time for it ?01:05
ubuntu_demonhey sivang :)01:06
dholbachubuntu_demon: I got the mail - thanks for asking again... we're currently in the release, so please not before the release is done01:06
giftnudelah, hey sivang01:07
ubuntu_demondholbach: I didn't know josh already sent you an e-mail :). I told Josh already that it would be probably somewhere after Edgy's release if you would be interested01:07
dholbachubuntu_demon: and I'm not sure I'm 'gnome' person enough01:07
sivanghi giftnudel, what's up?01:08
giftnudelsivang: nothing special, what about you?01:08
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ubuntu_demondholbach: by the way I'm not on the podcast. But when I spoke to Josh I thought : "maybe daniel can tell something about telepathy on ubuntuos"01:08
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Nafalloknown that the progressbar on amd64 usplash is at the top instead of under the logo?01:09
Nafallohi btw01:09
sivanggiftnudel: fine, working on finishing the backup control file support , btw the bug from today that you commented I'm sure was experienced with the dapper old version.01:10
giftnudelsivang: yes, although we should find a better place for the backups then .hubackup-data, maybe ~/Backups or something like that01:12
sivanggiftnudel: You mean, as the default in the target selector ?01:12
giftnudelsivang: yes, something that an inexperienced user is likely to find01:12
sivanggiftnudel: each user can choose whatever suits him...that's why I feel it's not a problem the fact its a hidden folder.01:13
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giftnudelsivang: yes, we will see how many bug reports we will get about that01:13
giftnudelsivang: it isn't really that important01:13
sivanggiftnudel: hmm as its a very easy and quick change01:14
giftnudelsivang: I'm not talking about the temporary data, but more about the permanent storage of a finished backup01:14
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sivanggiftnudel: right, so the temporary data will stay there, but the default in the selector should be changed, as it is auto-chosen when there are no optical media devices in the system.01:15
sivanggiftnudel: so better make it visible and easy to understand and find.01:16
giftnudelsivang: I think changing the default would make sense, and I need to properly fix the issue with the nonexistant directory, so it gets only created if it is really needed01:16
giftnudelsivang: yes, that's what I mean01:16
sivanggiftnudel: okay, I'll commit this change now then, re: directory missing, your one liner seems to already fix that, and create the dir only if it is needed no?01:17
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giftnudelsivang: no, it creates the directory everytime, even if not needed01:18
giftnudelsivang: that made sense since we would have needed it anyway, but with ~/Backup, this is not true01:18
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sivanggiftnudel: so the directory would have to be created only if the users either:01:19
sivang 1) lacks an optical drive and this is selected as the default01:19
sivang 2) Choose to backup there wilfully01:19
giftnudelsivang: I think a more general approach like: create it if the backup is stored there (no matter how it got selected) is better01:20
giftnudelsivang: you already do that in BackupEngine, so I only need to make sure, the necessary options (like slice size) is determined _after_ the directory is created (this should be easy)01:21
sivanggiftnudel: right, so that means we would just have to fix the free size detection code to not choke 01:21
giftnudelyes exactly01:21
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giftnudelI will fix this now, shouldn't be to difficult01:21
sivanggiftnudel: I'm starting to owe you too many beers ;)01:22
sivanggiftnudel: thanks01:22
giftnudelsivang: no problem, as long as I'm motivated and have time, things are easy, just hope that I don't get bored:)01:23
sivanggiftnudel: when you do , let me know ;-) I think we've got enough so we will not get bored at least until edgy+1 opens.01:28
giftnudelsivang: yes, I think so01:28
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NafalloKeybuk: thanks for the quick fix :-)01:52
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KeybukNafallo: to?01:53
NafalloKeybuk: the usplash-thingie on amd64 :-)01:54
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gnomefreakguys is edgy's universe repo down or just having issues?02:05
Fujitsugnomefreak: what do you mean by down?02:06
fabbionegnomefreak: closed basically02:06
gnomefreakFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)02:06
gnomefreakduring update02:06
gnomefreakclosed for uploads yes but should still run normally with apt-get02:07
FujitsuThat's not uncommon... But it really shouldn't be happening now.02:07
FujitsuMaybe wait a few minutes...02:07
elmothat is uncommon02:07
gnomefreakits been like this for last 3ish hours02:07
elmothat should not happen on archive.ubunut.com - ever02:07
Fujitsuelmo: Sure?02:07
elmoFujitsu: yes02:07
elmoit's also not reproducible for me02:07
Nafalloor for me02:08
FujitsuHm, I'm sure I've seen it before... Maybe just a local issue like gnomefreak is having now, as it's not reproducible for me either.02:08
gnomefreaki checked with others and they ate having same issue02:08
elmognomefreak: try rm /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com* as root and try again02:08
mvognomefreak: a proxy issue maybe?02:08
elmoif it happens again, you have a broxen (perhaps transparent) proxy between you and archive.ubuntu.com02:08
gnomefreaklooks better02:09
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giftnudelsivang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28236/02:09
elmognomefreak: your ISP might02:09
gnomefreakoh good point and i was just on phone with them :(02:09
realistAt first glance, it looks like gzip returning the error?02:09
gnomefreakrealist: thats what made me think it was archives02:09
gnomefreakseems to be downloading ty elmo 02:10
giftnudelsivang: that should work for an instant, but I think we should put the slice size detection completely in the backup engine02:10
realistOr is that just because gzip doesn't have the Packages.gz to work with?02:10
cjwatsonrealist: sure, but that could happen if a "transparent" proxy is returning incorrect data02:10
gnomefreaknope still failing02:10
cjwatsonapt uses byte-ranges02:10
cjwatsonI suspect that with the help of incompetent web servers/proxies it could be assembling bits of multiple different gzipped files02:11
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cjwatsonwhich is so not going to work02:11
gnomefreaki can ping it02:11
cjwatsonping won't help02:11
realistI didn't even know proxies were capable of doing that? :-/02:11
cjwatsonTBH your best bet is to wait for a bit02:11
gnomefreakthats fine just thought it should be known if its not me02:12
cjwatsonrealist: byte-range requests are hard to implement correctly, and transparent proxies are literally impossible to implement correctly02:12
cjwatsondoesn't stop lots of people from trying02:12
realistWhat do you mean by byte-range requests?02:12
mvognomefreak: you may try: "apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True"02:13
Chipzzrealist: http allows you to skip to a certain point in a file02:13
realistapt doesn't request the whole Packages.gz?02:13
Chipzzrealist: ie, continuing a download02:13
Chipzz(err, resuming)02:13
cjwatsonrealist: it might retry if it were interrupted part-way through02:13
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elmomvo: a) can apt please put it's version  number in it's user-agent string02:13
gnomefreakmvo: same02:13
mvognomefreak: hmm02:14
elmomvo: b) can we pretty please with a cherry on top, disable pdiffs by default for edgy (via -updates)02:14
mvoelmo: pdiffs are disabled in the edgy version of apt ?!? 02:14
elmomvo: our archive doesn't support them, so it's n million users x updates wasted 404 hits02:14
elmomvo: are you sure?  I'm seing hits on archive.ubuntu.com of apt users trying to use them02:14
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fabbioneelmo: might be debian users with mixed sources.list?02:15
mvoelmo: some debian users? or a backport? let me check02:15
cjwatsonit could be Debian users ... what fabbione said02:15
fabbioneelmo: NO! USERS!02:15
mvoelmo: version number>    Req += "User-Agent: Ubuntu APT-HTTP/1.3\r\n\r\n";02:16
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elmomvo: that's the version number of the apt method02:16
elmomvo: the debian/ubuntu version+revision would IMO be more useful, but it's just an idea, not a big deal02:16
mvoelmo: ok02:16
fabbioneelmo: can i upload glibc-2.5 to all the releases? we can see immediatly who in debian uses mixed sources.list :P02:17
jdubmvo: elmo's "just an idea, not a big deal" thoughts often come back as "i told you so" :-)02:17
mvoelmo: about pdiff, I just checked, we haven't even merged that branch in ubuntus apt :)02:17
mvojdub: thats why I immediately added it to my todo list :)02:17
mvognomefreak: can we debug that failure in ~30 min in #synaptic maybe?02:19
gnomefreakmvo: thats fine 02:19
elmomvo: ok, cool, thanks - now I'll go cry in the corner about all the people trying to hybridize debian+ubuntu02:19
Fujitsuelmo, that's a very good idea.02:20
gnomefreakmvo: im there just let me know when is good for you. i have other things i can be working on :)02:20
fabbioneelmo: it might be ubuntu users that did pull a better apt-get from debian... if that makes you feel better02:21
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giftnudelyeah, I heard rumors that newer version == faster download ...02:22
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Fujitsugiftnudel: so you'd better go and tell everybody to upgrade to the latest crack right away!02:22
giftnudelFujitsu: well, that seems to be that way in gentoo, doesn't it ;)02:22
Nafallogiftnudel: for debian, that might be true... ;-)02:23
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BenCmdz, cjwatson, tfheen: From my understanding of the code changes, I think it should be possible to trigger the zstream bug without SMP02:26
mdzBenC: yes, we decided the same02:26
mdzBenC: but we've decided to go with a workaround in casper instead, to avoid rolling new kernels02:27
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sivanggiftnudel: right, should work. we can move slice size detection into BackupEngine.py or better, put it in fsMisc.py as it's a general purpose functionality02:35
giftnudelsivang: hmm, yes, that's a good idea to put it in fsMisc02:36
giftnudelsivang: I'll see if I have time to do that right now, if not, then until monday ...02:36
giftnudelsivang: if you find out a lot of cdrecords error messages, then please tell me (I need as much as I can get for the pexpect stuff)02:37
sivanggiftnudel: yes, if I get finished with hurestore and mime type association stuff, I'll start creating a list of those and put it on the wiki somewhere, if you have anything already pushed into your branch let me know I'll  pull and continue as well02:38
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giftnudelsivang: I have done the most important part already, I'm just missing the UI integration and some error messages02:39
giftnudelsivang: I will publish that at some state02:39
sivanggiftnudel: Cool, what bits of UI intergration are you missing ?02:39
giftnudelsivang: The stages I have done are Starting, Burning, Fixating, I need to somehow put this together to a percentage and some nice strings02:40
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giftnudelsivang: I'll send you the CDburner, it's really not a lot of work done, but it works that way02:41
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sivanggiftnudel: feel free to not push until you are happy with it, I was not meant to rush anything.02:42
giftnudeloh no, I will not push that, since it hasn't been tested at all02:42
giftnudelsivang: but just so that you know what I have done02:42
sivanggiftnudel: sure thing, I appreciate it :)02:43
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giftnudelsivang: oh well, the fsMisc stuff is not that easy, but I need to go now, have fun ;)02:53
macmadiathJust joined the IRC channel to drop a note, say hi, say I upgrades from Dapper to Edgy on my laptop.02:56
pittimacmadiath: did you encounter any problem with the upgrade?03:02
loolpitti: hey03:03
loolpitti: just saw you proposed an updated in the cdbs bts for cdbs-edit-patch03:03
loolpitti: I'm writing my third cdbs-edit-patch today, so I'm worried things get incompatibly in03:03
macmadiaththe upgrade wouldn't run from the cd.  Had to create a iso, mount the iso then run the upgrade.   mainly due to the fact the cd was mounted noexec03:03
loolpitti: but I also wanted to share with you some intersting fixes03:03
pittilool: hi03:04
pittimacmadiath: yes, the wiki proposes to do 'sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade', which worked fine03:04
pittimacmadiath: any other problems?03:04
loolpitti: 1) cdbs-edit-patch always exits with non-zero (patch in the Debian BTS), 2) it tries patches in bogus order, like simple-patchsys did03:04
lool(I've just sent the patch, so it's not visible yet, but it's a simple s/0 1 2/1 0 2/)03:04
pittilool: ah, nice03:04
loolI suppose it's a bit late for an edgy upload though03:05
macmadiathpitti: but no problems. sound worked fine, wireless card fine, haven't had any issues yet.03:05
pittilool: I submitted my changes to Debian, not sure whether they got accepted yet03:05
loolpitti: they were not yet03:05
pittimacmadiath: splendid! :)03:05
loolpitti: actually, I extended cdbs-edit-patch to run any command03:05
pittilool: but I won't fix this in the next four weeks, so plenty of time for coordination ;)03:05
macmadiathpitti: missed that part about using sh to run the update.03:05
lool(instead of a shell)03:05
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loolpitti: ok, nevermind we'll see later then03:05
macmadiathpitti: just wanted to give a thumbs up.03:06
pittimacmadiath: I'm sure we'll figure out a better way for feisty, such as update-notifier offering you to run it for you (instead of just offering you to call the package manager); mvo?03:06
pittimacmadiath: thanks a lot for the feedback!03:06
pittilool: ah, what is an interesting use case for something else than a shell?03:07
loolpitti: a relibtoolize command, or a simple cp03:07
slomo_pitti: or sed03:07
pittiah, right, a cdbs-edit-patch --command autoreconf 99_autoreconf.patch sounds interesting03:07
loolpitti: I also wrote a "svn-do" wrapper which will export a tree handled via svn-bp and copy back the changes03:07
loolpitti: it's simply cdbs-edit-patch 70_relibtoolize autoreconf03:08
loolpitti: and directly frmo svn: svn-do cdbs-edit-patch 70_relibtoolize autoreconf03:08
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iwj`I keep my CVS repo in bzr and all my bzr branches in svn ...'03:09
looliwj: hmmm sounds nice, does that exist yet?03:09
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loolI'm in the chaining-mood lately, I proposed debuild should call svn-buildpackage if from svn, which could call pbuilder-buildpackage which should call dpkg-buildpackage03:10
Keybukno less insane than putting bzr branch metadata in a source package03:10
Keybukapt-get source usplash03:10
Keybukcd my-branch; bzr merge ../usplash-0.x03:10
loolKeybuk: I find that alright03:10
iwjKeybuk: That's not quite the same, I think.03:11
pittiapart from utterly cluttering the diff.gz03:11
cjwatsonthat's a branch distribution method03:11
loolpitti: oh that isn't with wig and pen stuff?03:11
tfheeniwj: I keep my dotfiles in svn, cvs and bzr with commits going into both svn and bzr.. :-)03:11
cjwatsonno different from publishing it over HTTP03:11
loolpitti: I thought it was some usplash.bzr.orig.tar.gz03:12
iwjThe main problem with it is that it makes debdiff give unhelpful answers.03:12
looltoo bad then03:12
cjwatsonlool: wig and pen doesn't really quite exist yet ...03:12
pittilool: wig&pen is still only on paper, or did I miss something?03:12
iwjWhy oh why oh why is rsync apparently downloading the whole of this dvd again ?03:12
pittiand with the NoMoreSourcePackages spec lurking, it might never actually exist03:12
loolcjwatson: oh, I thought it was announced like a lot of months ago03:12
cjwatsonlool: only half of it03:13
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loolcjwatson: but that we shouldn't use it because of saege -> etch upgrades03:13
cjwatsononly unpacking, I think03:13
cjwatsonICBW, check d-d-a03:13
pittiah, right, but dpkg-source -b support is missing; I remember playing with unpacking03:13
mvopitti, macmadiath: yes, this is implemented in the update-notifier in edgy already. we haven't backported it though to dapper03:14
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iwjSo given that I'm not affected by the squashfs bug, I take it it's worth me investigating this dvd when I actually ahve it (which might be shortly if I'm lucky).03:22
cjwatsoniwj: yes, we should also get confirmation that we haven't broken systems that worked03:26
iwjcjwatson: Right.03:26
iwjI take it new desktop cds will be around when they've been crunched by all of the relevant gears.03:27
cjwatsonyes, the gears are crunching as I type03:28
cjwatsonthe ... middle set of gears03:28
iwjThis whole business is very hurry up and wait.03:28
iwjWe should make the operating system a tenth of the size and then it would all be ten times quicker.03:29
cjwatsonthe livefs build process could be speeded up a fair bit; there are a number of ideas in the pipeline03:29
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Keybukiwj: put it all in the initramfs! :)03:33
cjwatsoniwj: it was all much quicker before we started caring about live CDs :-)03:34
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cjwatsonactually probably not that much; cdimage was slower then03:36
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iwjYay, I have the dvd.03:49
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dholbachiwj: all images are being re-rolled - but at least rsyncing should be very quick03:52
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iwjdholbach: Yes, but based on last time I think I can assume the dvd will be too late for me to wait for it.03:52
iwjI'm going to do some tests here now with this one and then I can do a quick check with the new one.03:52
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dholbachI'm not sure how long it's going to take, but I think it won't be that long.03:53
cjwatsontfheen: I'll build desktop CDs as the corresponding live builds finish03:53
tfheencjwatson: cheers.03:53
cjwatsonUbuntu DVD could actually be done pretty soon03:53
cjwatsonI can do for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project ubuntu cron.dvd03:53
iwjcjwatson: Oh ... how soon ?03:53
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cjwatsoniwj: within the hour03:54
cjwatsondesktop CD takes about five minutes to build, DVD takes <3003:55
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cjwatsonthe combination of which is around the same as a livefs build, so it all parallelises quite well03:55
iwjSince I have this DVD now I will do a test install with it anyway.03:55
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iwjI fancy some hurry up rather than some wait :-).03:56
tfheenDVDs rsync quickly enough, though.03:56
Keybukis hurry up a Class A drug?03:56
cjwatsonstoppit and hurryup03:56
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cjwatsonpossibly rather UK-specific03:57
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robertjhow long after the images are finalized is it before they hit all of the mirrors?04:12
dholbachubuntu-server and ubuntu-alternate are ready for testing (20061025.1)04:14
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cjwatsonrobertj: out of our control in many cases, especially depending on the value of "all"04:14
cjwatson(we have a LOT of random cdimage mirrors)04:15
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robertjcjwatson: ahh, I figured that all the http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ were nightly or something04:16
cjwatsonubuntu/desktop ready for testing (20061025)04:16
cjwatsonrobertj: many are04:17
robertjbut not a strict criteria for inclusion then, eh, free bandwidth is free I suppose :)04:17
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PSUSIanyone have any ideas on what could cause udevtrigger to block for 3 minutes during bootup?  or how to further debug it?04:33
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current updated04:33
cjwatsonhmm, DVD taking a little longer than I thought; working on it though04:35
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tfheencjwatson: it helps that we're fighting for I/O capacity.04:41
iwjHas anyone else tried evolution from the livefs ?04:44
seb128iwj: what do you call livefs? The desktop CD? not today but during previous runs I did, why?04:45
iwjThe DVD in livefs mode, in this cas.e04:45
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iwjIt hung for me, which I've just reported as bug 68195.04:45
UbugtuMalone bug 68195 in evolution "evolution hung on the live dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6819504:45
cjwatsonI usually start evolution at least, but rarely go any further04:46
iwjYes, it's a faff to go through the setup.04:48
seb128iwj: I'll try reproducing it later04:49
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iwjseb128: Ta.04:49
PSUSIanyone know how I could figure out what udevtrigger is waiting on for 3 minutes?04:50
cjwatsontfheen: is the "live CD doesn't reboot when you press enter" bug filed? I can't find it04:50
tfheencjwatson: I thought I had fixed that?04:50
KeybukPSUSI: do you have /var/log/udev ?04:50
tfheencjwatson: if not, please file it again.04:50
PSUSIhrm... not sure04:50
PSUSIthis is in the initramfs on my home machine04:50
cjwatsontfheen: it's possible you fixed it for svgalib but not bogl04:52
KeybukPSUSI: udevtrigger waits in the initramfs?!04:52
Keybukare you sure it's udevtrigger and not the while loop in mountroot?04:52
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PSUSIKeybuk: yes04:52
tfheencjwatson: it's casper, not usplash, iirc.04:52
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KeybukPSUSI: udevtrigger --verbose04:52
PSUSIthe boot scripts start udevd, then call udevtrigger and it blocks for me for 3 minutes+04:53
Keybukwhich udevtrigger is it?04:53
PSUSIhrm... ok, I'll try adding --verbose... that should make it give some reason for why it is waiting?04:53
Keybukit will be called with arguments04:53
PSUSIyea... called with a bunch of args to wait on buses and such04:53
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cjwatsontfheen: oh yes, there it is, I'll dup04:54
KeybukPSUSI: that's very rare04:54
PSUSImy usb drivers and everything else gets loaded fine, then it just sits there for over 3 mins waiting for udevtrigger to continue04:54
Keybukthis is kinda hard to debug04:54
PSUSIonce it continues it mounts the root fs just fine and goes on04:55
Keybukhang on04:55
KeybukUDEVTRIGGER hangs?!04:55
Keybuknot udevsettle?04:55
PSUSIprety sure... I don't recall seeing udevsettle04:55
Keybukcan you check that04:55
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PSUSIit was 1 am last night when I decided to get some sleep, but the last thing I remember was putting some messages before the calls in the script to udevd and udevtrigger, and they both came out before all the drivers loaded, then sat there waiting04:56
Keybukdo you have the offending hardware in front of you now?04:57
PSUSIand from looking at the scripts after udevtrigger, the next thing that goes on is it says it is mounting the root fs... which is the next thign I saw after the long pause04:57
PSUSIno... it's at home04:57
Keybuknot much else I can suggest04:57
PSUSIok.... I'll add the --verbose when I get home04:57
Keybukit's likely not udevtrigger though04:58
Keybukbut udevsettle04:58
PSUSIwhat exactly is udevtrigger supposed to do?  so far I gather that it causes the kernel to play attach events for all the hardware it knows about and wait for udev to finish processing them?04:58
PSUSIwhat's udevsettle?  I don't recall seeing that one04:58
cjwatsonudevsettle is "wait for udev to actually finish processing events"04:59
cjwatsonudevtrigger is "send events for everything"04:59
cjwatsonexplaining those the other way round might've been less confusing :)04:59
PSUSIhrm... so trigger does not block?04:59
PSUSIit sounded like it was meant to wait at least for the busses to all appear or something04:59
PSUSIpci, usb, etc04:59
PSUSIhow does udevsettle decide when it is all "done"?05:00
Keybukcompares the kernel sequence number to the udev sequence number05:00
PSUSIcould udev itself be blocking while trying to process some rule that invokes a callout?05:00
Keybukudevsettle exits when /dev/.udev/uevent_seqnum and /sys/kernel/uevent_seqnum are equal05:01
Keybuknote that udevtrigger may call udevsettle if given "-s"05:01
Keybukwe do that for one of the calls05:01
Keybukudevtrigger iterates /sys and writes "add" to any "uevent" file found there05:01
Keybukthe various arguments to it limit the amount of /sys it iterates05:01
PSUSIok... so most likely it is udevd that is blocking on a callout right?05:02
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current updated05:02
cjwatsonUbuntu DVDs available for testing (20061025)05:02
Keybukor the kernel isn't sending an event05:02
Keybukbut thinks it has05:02
PSUSIhow could I trace that?05:02
Keybukwith tools that aren't in the initramfs05:03
PSUSIwell, I could add them ;)05:03
Keybukif you're happy modifying the initramfs, add udevmonitor to it and a job control shell so you can background it and see its output05:04
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Keybukwhat happened to make it break?05:05
PSUSIedgy did ;)05:06
cjwatsonKubuntu daily-live (20061025) ready for testing05:07
Keybukthat's interesting05:07
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PSUSIwhen I upgraded to edgy, the new kernel failed to boot at first because of a dmraid bug and the new kernel refusing to accept the slightly wrong parameters... fixed that by upgrading dmraid and now I have this problem...05:07
Keybuknormally it happens because, as you say, udev blocks on a callout05:08
Keybukexcept there aren't any callouts in the initramfs05:08
PSUSIthere aren't?05:08
cjwatsonRiddell: may take a little while more to mirror05:08
Keybukother than the persistant storage ones05:09
Keybukand modprobe05:09
Keybukthe storage ones could hang I guess, if you have a bad block device05:09
Keybukbut that's the same as dapper05:09
PSUSIcould they be hanging up on the fact that I'm booting from a raid0 so the first disk's partition table shows partitions that don't fit on it?05:09
Keybukcould be a modprobe hanging05:10
PSUSIiirc, there were some changes in the new kernel about how that is handled05:10
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Keybukdon't think so, they mostly just ioctl() the devices to find out their serial number, filesystem id, etc.05:10
PSUSIwell the last thing I see before the pause is the usb drivers loading and finding all the usb hardware... first thing after is the script saying it is mounting the root fs05:10
Keybukthat doesn't mean much05:11
Toadstooluhuh sorry05:11
PSUSIhrm.... so they wouldb't get hung up trying to read a partition that is not accessible?05:11
Keybukthat should just error05:11
PSUSIof course, if they were then I'd see the kernel complaining about it... which I don't, so...05:11
Keybukhang is bad05:11
Keybukverbose should reveal what hangs05:12
Keybukit prints the sysfs paths as it visits them05:12
Keybukthe one before the hang is the one that hangs05:12
pittiiwj: for the record, evo works fine for me on current amd64/desktop05:16
iwjpitti: Hmm, perhaps it's the particular message.05:17
iwjI'm doing another test myself.05:17
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iwjHmm.  My laptop's livecd session has crashed.05:18
iwjErr, livedvd even.05:18
iwjI have been having a bit of trouble with the dvd drive which is probably responsible.05:18
fabbioneneuralis: ping?05:19
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cjwatsoniwj: it would be very interesting to know if this is fixed by the new DVD build05:25
cjwatsoniwj: or is this the old build?05:25
iwjcjwatson: It's the old build.05:25
iwjcjwatson: but I have just failed to reproduce it.05:25
cjwatsoniwj: today's discoveries seem to implicate squashfs in a lot of things we previously thought were live CD reading problems05:25
pittibah, amd64 CD check looks quite ugly with the text being in dark gray over black; but *shrug*05:25
cjwatsonin which case the new build should fix it05:25
cjwatsonpitti: that's fixed on powerpc05:25
cjwatsonthere's a bug filed05:26
cjwatsonbroken on i386 too, according to mdz05:26
iwjcjwatson: If it was a bug and not a dvd reading problem, then it's probably some racey thing.05:26
Keybukpitti: console text?05:26
cjwatsoniwj: correct05:26
pitticjwatson: it's the special 16-color amd64 usplash theme; shouldn't affect ppc at all05:26
cjwatsoniwj: it's a static struct in the squashfs module that shouldn't be static05:26
pittiKeybuk: text on usplash05:26
iwjcjwatson: Err, right.  I meant, my evo hang felt like a racey thing.05:27
cjwatsonit's possible that it was a subprocess segfaulting or getting corrupt data off squashfs or something05:27
iwjYes.  I didn't look at the kernel log unfortunately.05:28
cjwatson.xsession-errors might be worthwhile to check in future too05:28
cjwatsoniwj: if you didn't see, a new DVD build is available now05:28
cjwatsonso if you have time to test that, that would be very good05:28
iwjYes, I'm downloading it now.05:28
iwjUnfortunately due to complex logistics I end up rsyncing the images using the testbed machine, which means I can't be downloading and testing at once, unlike for the much smaller cds.05:29
iwjThat evo hang looks like it's going to be an annoying unreproduceable thing.05:30
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iwjcjwatson, tfheen: Unless you have an objection, I propose to stop this testing so I can go climbing in my usual way today; if you need more stuff doing I can log on again when I get back at around 2200Z.05:41
iwjI'll be able to give this new dvd a quick runthrough first though.05:42
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cjwatsoniwj: if you can manage enough of a quick runthrough to confirm that ubiquity works, that would be very good05:44
cjwatsonthat's what we're most bothered about05:44
iwjcjwatson: I think that should be doable.05:44
iwjBTW, it occurred to me to wonder - what happens if you install packages into your livesystem with synaptic and then run ubiquity ?05:45
iwjOr worse, do the two simultaneously ...05:45
cjwatsoniwj: shouldn't interact at all05:45
cjwatsonbut feel free to try it05:45
cjwatsoniwj: ubiquity copies the read-only squashfs05:46
iwjI did, and it broke, but I think that was because I hibernated it while synaptic was downloading.05:46
iwjI like breaking stuff :-).05:46
cjwatsonI'm not entirely sure what hibernating the live CD does :-)05:46
cjwatsonI'm sure we disabled that, but it keeps coming back like the proverbial bad penny05:46
cjwatsonKubuntu DVD 20061025.1 ready for testing05:46
iwjI mean I hibernated the install that ubiquity made.05:47
cjwatsonoh right05:49
cjwatsonuh, I don't understand05:49
cjwatsonyou said "install packages into your livesystem with synaptic"05:49
cjwatsonthat can't have been the same synaptic that you hibernated in the install that ubiquity made05:50
iwjcjwatson: That's right.05:53
cjwatsonum, ok.05:54
iwjcjwatson: I both installed packages with synaptic in the live image while ubiquity was running, and then later, when booted from the install that made, I ran synaptic again and hibernated it while it was downloading packages files.05:54
iwjThe latter wasn't a huge success and produced bug 68202/.05:54
UbugtuMalone bug 68202 in apt "corrupted file from download, not recoverable without messing about" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6820205:54
cjwatsonah, right. I'm pretty confident that the results of synaptic in the live image will have been thrown away05:54
mvoiwj: bug #68202 is strange, if the md5sum check fails, apt should (in theory) just delete the file (or rename it to FAILED or something)05:55
UbugtuMalone bug 68202 in apt "corrupted file from download, not recoverable without messing about" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6820205:55
cjwatsonwe do run apt outside the chroot, but I believe I've now entirely pointed it at /target ... there is a slight possibility of bugs there05:55
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cjwatson(there was a bug there in dapper)05:56
cjwatsonapt wasn't looking at /target/var/lib/dpkg/status, IIRC05:56
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cjwatsonEdubuntu live 20061025 ready for testing05:57
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iwjThis install's looking good.06:07
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zMottThere is a major bug issue...06:10
fabbionezMott: bug number?06:11
zMottwhen using search, to find many items..(.pdf), the search display 1420 .pdf, I then selected a couple hundred, to copy to another hard drive...06:11
fabbionezMott: bug number?06:11
zMottHowever, it would appear only 43 got copied...06:11
zMottthen the copy window quite06:12
zMottthis is the bug06:12
fabbionezMott: did you file a bug in launchpad?06:12
fabbioneif not please do so06:12
zMottlaunch pad did not pop up06:13
fabbionehttp://launchpad.net/ ->06:13
neuraliszmott: sounds like a nautilus problem, not release critical; file a bug, and if it can be tracked down, it'll be addressed in edgy-updates.06:13
iwjmvo: I kept the file.06:14
mvoiwj: thanks06:14
zMottokay.. I will file this with launch pad, thought lauch pad was built in06:14
iwjThat is, the broken file.  I wiped the rest of the install.06:14
iwjIf it's helpful I'll attach it to the bug report when my testbed has finished rebooting - ie, next week :-).06:14
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neuraliszMott: thanks.06:16
zMottreporting noew06:16
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zMottokay, done here the link; https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/6822106:25
UbugtuMalone bug 68221 in Ubuntu "nautilus bug copy from search window...." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  06:25
iwjcjwatson: Works.06:25
iwjNow I must go and catch my train.06:25
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cjwatsoniwj: great!06:30
zMottHey guess what: that same bug was there in distro too...06:30
cjwatsonplease add that as a comment to the bug report rather than commenting here06:31
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cjwatsonthen it is archived for when a developer looks at it06:31
zMottummm, this is the devel list..06:31
zMottdid both06:31
cjwatsonzMott: correct, this is the developer coordination channel, not a forum for users to file bug reports06:34
cjwatsonplease do not report bugs in this channel06:34
cjwatsonwe are preparing a release right now and need to focus06:34
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cjwatsonEdubuntu DVD 20061025 ready for testing, except ogra's gone away, d'oh06:35
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dholbachogra: <cjwatson> Edubuntu DVD 20061025 ready for testing, except ogra's gone away, d'oh06:36
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__keybukogra: ping06:41
ogradholbach: i'm never away :P06:41
ograjust switched machines06:41
ogra__keybuk: ?06:41
__keybukogra: ltsp-management-gui status is Beta Available -- why does it need discussion at MTV?06:41
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ograsjremnant: because there are new and different features to be discussed now that it should become an upstream tool at some point06:42
ograi havent had time to update the spec yet06:43
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dholbachGloubiboulga: new Xubuntu CDs rolled06:52
KeybukApril 1st07:06
KeybukI'm so changing the Ubuntu Dance music to the song from Lugradio07:06
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Gloubiboulgadholbach, danke07:09
dholbachGloubiboulga: de rien07:09
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seb128Riddell: where does kdm get the locale to use for the login screen?07:15
pittiseb128: oh, it doesn't use /etc/environment?07:18
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seb128pitti: I'm asking because I just did a kubuntu install and login screen is to english instead of french07:18
seb128pitti: the .mo has the translations for those strings and /etc/environment has LANG=fr_FR.UTF-807:19
Riddellseb128: it uses whatever is in the /etc/kde3/kdmrc file, which we default to English, it's a bit crap07:20
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cjwatsonI needed to have been told about that change so that I could deal with it in ubiquity07:21
seb128Riddell: ok, so having english login on a french install is normal situation?07:21
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cjwatsonRiddell: could you post the necessary information to the ubiquity bug that's already filed about this?07:21
seb128normal or "known"07:21
cjwatsonseb128: it's certainly a known bug :-(07:21
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seb128cjwatson, Riddell: ok, thank you07:21
Riddellcjwatson: ok07:22
Keybukman, I so want /sbin/ioctl07:22
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pittiRiddell: uh, English default regardless of the locale; you are aware that you can be punished in France for using 'computer' instead of 'ordinateur'? :)07:22
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crimsunmdz: is it too late to request a simple rebuild of a universe package to close bug 68225 ? I've verified that simply rebuilding (no changes) against current Edgy's python2* results in a fixed python-biggles package.07:33
UbugtuMalone bug 68225 in python-biggles "Biggles package missing most files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6822507:33
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mdzcrimsun: I'm afraid so, see /topic07:37
mdzcrimsun: you can propose it for edgy-updates though07:38
crimsunmdz: thanks07:38
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Keybukthat usplash bug is weird07:38
mdzpitti: scrollkeeper-update07:39
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yacoobJust a question, is there going to be a release tomorrow?08:19
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mvoyacoob: there is one planed for tomorrow08:20
pygiyay, release ^_^08:21
yacoobmvo, did you, by any chance, have any insights on whether it's going to stand up to the schedule? :)08:21
dholbachyacoob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current08:22
dholbachyou can help testing08:22
yacoob(potential debian switchee here, I don't know all releveant places to look for info :)08:23
mvoyacoob: the chances are good actually08:24
dholbachyeah... if oyu look at the page: nearly all of the tests passed08:24
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mvoPASS is GOOD :)08:25
yacoobgood :>08:25
yacoob(nice idea for end-user testing)08:25
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fabbionepitti: eh..08:25
pittidholbach: good idea! /me asks gf08:26
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dholbachpitti: if she cooked you a dinner? ;)08:26
yacoobThis is why I'm thinking about switching, debian seems to be more and more about ideology, and not about end-user experience...08:26
pittidholbach: well, prepare -- we usually don't cook in the evening08:26
fabbionepitti: pizza time? :)08:26
dholbachpitti: I think I'll just run to an Arab place and get a shawarma or something08:27
pittifabbione: don't tease me too much :)08:27
dholbachdesrt: your power thingie arrived today08:27
fabbionepitti: dude.. at least you have gf that still can care of you..08:27
pittidholbach: shawarma? he's online, but why do you want to eat him? :)08:27
fabbionepitti: my wife throws food at me from the door step08:27
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pittifabbione: ouch, she's throwing up?08:27
pittidholbach: (seriously, I have no idea what a shawarma is)08:27
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fabbionepitti: no, she launches it across the room and feed me like a pig in a cage or something08:28
pittifabbione: rotfl08:28
fabbionepitti: given it's 3 days i don't get out of it if not for sleeping08:28
pittifabbione: mine got used to my ear being /dev/null in these days :)08:28
dholbachpitti: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schawarma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawarma08:29
fabbionepitti: i will remind you of that after you two will get married08:29
pittidholbach: thanks for the link, but where can I download it?08:30
pittidholbach: *hug*08:30
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dholbachbon apptit08:30
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sivangpitti_live: you want to download shawarma ? :)09:02
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Treenakspitti bread?09:08
highvoltagehee hee09:09
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ulaashi, where is the alacarte icon?09:19
ulaasgone on purpose?09:19
seb128ulaas: 09:20
seb128$ dpkg -L alacarte | grep png09:20
ulaasah no! :) i mean in the menu..09:21
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pirastulaas, system -> settings09:22
pirastulaas, -> menu structure09:22
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ulaaspirast: settings?09:23
ulaasmenu layout09:23
seb128you can right click on the panel labels too09:23
pirastlol :-) trying to translate the menus into german on the fly :-)09:23
seb128there is an "edit menu" item09:24
ulaasseb128: mine is menu layout09:24
ulaaswhich is not very nice..09:24
seb128ulaas: right click on the panel label09:25
seb128you get a menu09:26
seb128the item should mention edit, no?09:26
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ulaasseb128: on the menu panel applet. yes09:27
seb128k, that's normal there09:27
seb128feel free to open a bug on alacarte if you think that "Menu Layout" is not a good title09:27
ulaasseb128:under system->preferences it is "menu layout"09:28
seb128I know09:28
seb128I was saying:09:28
seb128<seb128> you can right click on the panel labels too09:28
seb128<seb128> there is an "edit menu" item09:28
ulaasseb128: sure thing. thanks09:28
ulaasi will think about the title. maybe it is okay.09:28
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mdkeseb128: since you're here, do you know if the epiphany addressbar search fix is likely to be accepted for -updates?09:31
seb128mdke: no idea, let it been accepted upstream to gnome-2-16 first09:31
mdkeseb128: sure, I mean in principle09:31
seb128mdke: my opinion is that we should give it a try on edgy+1 and upload later if it works fine09:31
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mdkethat sounds sensible09:31
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fabbionecrimsun: btw there is no ReleaseNote entry for the alsa stuff.. any plan to add the note?09:39
crimsunfabbione: I asked in ubuntu-doc about that yesterday09:39
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crimsunfabbione: yes, I plan to add it; I'll go through that procedure shortly if there's an errata section in place09:40
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sivanghey keith80403 09:40
sivanghey keescook 09:40
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dholbachstill quite a bunch of empty spaces09:41
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dholbachpitti: heya - how was dinner? :)09:42
fabbionecrimsun: ok... better hurry up09:42
crimsunfabbione: is there some other place I should be looking (e.g., wiki)?09:42
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes ?09:42
crimsunah, ok. Thanks.09:43
dholbachit still has my evolution screenshot in it09:43
dholbachI hoped somebody would replace it ;)09:43
keescooksivang: howdy.  :)09:45
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pittidholbach: good :) and your's?09:47
dholbachpitti: it took AGES to get it, but it was quite good :)09:47
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crimsunfabbione: added, thanks.10:01
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beligumHi all, what's the release date for edgy ?10:24
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seb128beligum: tomorrow10:25
dholbachogra: my edubuntu ubiquity starts in french!10:25
mvobeligum: but you can test it today if you feel like it10:25
mvodholbach: did you configure it to start in french?10:26
dholbachmvo: not that I know of10:26
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mvodholbach: is the rest of the desktop french?10:26
dholbachseb128: did you login to my box again?10:26
dholbachmvo: no, was english10:26
seb128dholbach: ?10:26
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seb128no ;)10:27
mvo... and his secret agenda10:27
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beligumBtw, someone interested in the ScreenKast package for universe? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=314010:29
beligumI started working on it to get it in the official repository list, but ran out of time10:29
Riddellbeligum: yes10:29
beligumRiddell: great !10:30
beligumWhat do you need ?10:30
Riddellbeligum: a poke to revu it I guess10:30
Riddellbeligum: it's too late for edgy I'm pretty sure10:30
beligumyes, I know10:31
beligumpoke in ubuntu-motu ?10:31
dholbachogra, seb128: it's all good again ;)10:32
dholbachogra, seb128: cosmis rays... or something10:32
Riddellbeligum: it's KDE so a poke in #kubuntu-devel as well may help10:32
dholbachalthough I don't rule out french hackers making fun of my french10:33
pirastnight, have a great releaseday tomorrow :-)10:33
ogradholbach: the lang switches if you select something in teh first window ... i bet you double cliecked or something when the window appeared10:33
dholbachogra: that would not be as funny as french hackers, you must admit10:34
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beligumRiddell: done10:34
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ogradholbach: indeed :)10:35
seb128dholbach: I tried kubuntu in german like one hour ago!10:36
dholbachseb128: how was it?10:36
pygilol ^_^10:36
pygiseb128: no kidding?:P10:36
seb128I'm not used to KDE nor to german :p10:37
seb128it was ok though, icons make it easier ;)10:37
Riddellkubuntu in edgy is more purple than blue10:37
seb128I had some english strings though10:37
dholbachok... I think everybody has to take that as a compliment from seb128 :-)10:37
seb128dunno what german translators are doing :p10:37
dholbachcould have been worse than "blue" ;)10:37
seb128dholbach: hehe ;)10:37
seb128in fact I don't like "apply" button don't closing dialogs10:38
seb128it was with the language selector I think10:38
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yacoobs/tries to//10:39
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seb128that might be language selector being weird, the GNOME one does the same :p10:42
seb128it's a mvo-ish10:42
seb128having apply and ok on the same dialog10:42
seb128both applying the changes, one closing the dialog and the other not10:42
seb128I find that just confusing :p10:42
seb128gnome-app-install does the same10:42
mvoseb128: thats how the HIG wants it10:43
seb128mvo: no other app do that10:43
seb128I would prefer: "apply" "close"10:43
seb128close just closing without doing anything10:44
seb128and apply applying10:44
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seb128rather than "cancel" "ok"10:44
mvoseb128: yeah, I guess that needs to be re-thought10:44
_ion"close" "apply" rather10:44
seb128_ion: I was listing options, not order10:44
_ionThat's the order all the other Gnome apps use.10:44
seb128we are not speaking about implementation details yet :p10:45
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seb128pitti: pkg-create-dbgsym should make the -dbgsym Conflicts on the -dbg if there is one?10:46
pittiseb128: right, but that's not yet implemented10:47
seb128ah k10:47
seb128I thought it was10:47
seb128no need to open a bug then ;)10:47
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pittifeel free to do so, otherwise I might forget10:47
seb128or I could open one as a wishlist10:47
seb128doing that then10:47
pittiseb128: thanks!10:47
beavishile, I updated dapper to edgy RC, the installation stopped at the nfs update. It asked me what to do with my exports10:48
seb128pitti: np ;)10:49
beavisoops I mean hi ;)10:49
dholbachbeavis: hello... you might want to try #ubuntu or #ubuntu+110:49
beavisafter that it was only possible to ctrl-c10:49
LaserJockis there a definitive time when Edgy Universe will be closed?10:50
beavisdholbach, In the mail from Simon Law "Testing installation" he told to report problems here10:50
sfllawbeavis: Hi.10:50
sfllawbeavis: This is the channel for volunteering to do testing.10:50
dholbachbeavis: I just thought you had better chances there, sorry.10:51
beavisI volunteered to do testing ;) but it completely screwed up my installation 10:51
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seb128sfllaw: #u-d ?10:51
seb128sfllaw: I though that was  #u-r10:51
sfllawseb128: #u-r is more of a release managers round table.10:52
seb128so where should be take ubuntu devel discussions now?10:52
sfllawOh, here.10:52
seb128ah, k10:52
seb128I didn't understand your "This is the channel for volunteering to do testing." then10:52
sfllawWhen I sent out the e-mail, we were doing lots of installation talking in this channel.10:52
bettspHi, the dev information in KernelCustomBuild on the wiki seems out of date; none of the commands work with the Edgy linux-source package10:53
bettspMost of them throw "No Rule to make target"; what's the current way to build the Ubuntu kernel?10:53
pittisfllaw: FYI, I covered the whole Ubuntu/amd64/desktop+alternate range now10:54
beavissfllaw, well pressing on show differences on nfs upgrade causes a freeze, which can only be stopped by pressing ctrl-c, unfortunately the installation doesn't finish after that, so my X didn't come up again10:54
sfllawRiddell: You claim that Kubuntu PPC's check CD fails.10:54
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beavisjust a heads-up to probably check this area again10:55
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sfllawpitti: I'm going to fill in the holes for Kubuntu alternate.10:56
sfllawpitti: Do you want to do Kubuntu desktop for amd64?10:56
Riddellsfllaw: yes please10:57
Riddellsfllaw: PPC desktop check fails for me, just runs live CD10:58
Riddellsfllaw: apparantly it works for ubuntu so maybe I'm just imagining it but I don't think so10:58
sfllawRiddell: Hmm.  Is the MD5SUM correct for that image?10:58
sfllawOh wait.10:59
sfllawYou're saying it just runs the live CD?10:59
sfllawIt doesn't even do a check?10:59
Riddellsfllaw: yes10:59
sfllawCan you check the MD5SUMS and if that works out, file a bug?10:59
Riddellsfllaw: same for DVD, but alternate PPC CD works10:59
keescooksfllaw: do you know if the Ubuntu DVD is supposed to have a working "rescue" mode?  (it's listed, but don't work)11:00
keescook(this is with PPC)11:00
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sfllawkeescook: I'm sorry, I don't know.11:00
sfllawI presume yes.11:00
sfllawI can soon tell you if it works on i386/amd64.11:00
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keescooksfllaw: okay, cool11:00
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bettspBenC: What's the correct way to build the Edgy kernel? I saw your name in the changelog11:01
bettspThe wiki has old info11:01
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BenCbettsp: the wiki info isn't old11:02
sfllawkeescook: Is the rescue mode in the menu?11:02
pittisfllaw: if you have the time, can you please attempt an expert install on amd64? I get a garbled screen after a few dialogs, I'll file a bug with a screenshot11:02
sfllawpitti: I can get expert working.11:02
sfllawBut there are problems with the dialog boxes.11:03
bettspBenC: When I try any of the commands, I get "no rule to make target", using the linux-source package in Edgy 11:03
BenCbettsp: the build guide that I wrote is the suggested way11:03
BenCbettsp: Use git repo11:03
sfllawkeescook: Bug 6688111:03
UbugtuMalone bug 66881 in debian-installer "Help text is misleading or inaccurate for boot methods" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6688111:03
sfllawpitti: Bug 66883 and bug 6707611:03
UbugtuMalone bug 66883 in cdebconf "Codeset selection dialog has poor layout" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6688311:03
UbugtuMalone bug 67076 in cdebconf "Can't see selection of font face" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6707611:03
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pittisfllaw: ah, nevermind, already known as bug 6688311:04
pittisfllaw: right, yay my initial IRC lag (I'm good now)11:04
sfllawpitti: Stylish.11:05
keescooksfllaw: hm, I'm not sure if 66881 is quite right.  /me digs11:05
sfllawkeescook: I don't see a menu item for expert mode.11:05
sfllawNot on the DVD.11:05
keescooksfllaw: "rescue"?11:05
pittisfllaw: ok, then I covered the whole range now11:05
sfllawkeescook: Sorry.11:06
sfllawkeescook: I only see:11:06
sfllawStart on install Ubuntu11:06
sfllawStart Ubuntu in safe graphics mode11:06
sfllawInstall in text mode11:06
sfllawInstall in OEM mode11:06
sfllawInstall a command-line system11:06
sfllawCheck CD for defects11:06
sfllawMemory test11:06
keescookI filed bug 68077 but that was closed by having "rescue" removed from the menu.  :)11:06
sfllawBoot from first hard disk.11:06
UbugtuMalone bug 68077 in Ubuntu ""rescue" fails to load kernel on PPC edubuntu Desktop CD" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6807711:06
keescookI think this is PPC-specific (the yaboot list, etc)11:07
sfllawAlbeit, this DVD is slightly old.11:07
dholbachexpert is hidden in the F<x> 'menu's11:07
dholbachsfllaw: slightly old?11:07
sfllawdholbach: By about two days.11:07
ograyou must hit F6 twice ;)11:07
pittisfllaw: you can't use F6 on the DVD?11:07
sfllawActually, F6 twice doesn't work on this DVD.11:08
keescookpitti: did you find working rescue modes on any of the PPC isos you tried?11:08
sfllawNor does "Rescue mode" seem to be listed.11:08
pittikeescook: sure11:08
pittikeescook: boot the 'rescue' image :)11:08
pittikeescook: see Testing/Current11:08
keescookpitti: hm. DVD is busted for rescue then.  :(11:08
pittikeescook: I have bug 6042311:09
UbugtuMalone bug 60423 in rescue "freeze after exiting rescue shell" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6042311:09
pittikeescook: but the actual rescue shell works11:09
pittikeescook: (live CD does not have rescue mode, just alternate)11:09
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keescookdoes it follow that the _DVD_ doesn't have rescue since it's just a big live?11:09
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sfllawkeescook: It does.11:11
keescooksfllaw: okay, cool, I will amend 6807711:11
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keescookis there a bug filed for the Known Issue "When shutting down or rebooting the AMD64 or PowerPC LiveCD..."?11:16
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pittikeescook: bug 58503 ?11:26
UbugtuMalone bug 58503 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 2060831.1 i386 and amd64 Desktop CD install hangs after ejecting CDROM" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5850311:26
doko_ogra: F6, are you testing Fedora CD's? ;-P11:26
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mdzkeescook: it's documented in the release notes11:26
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keescookmdz: that's why I was asking, there was no link for it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes shall I add it?11:27
pittimdz: oh, EdgyReleaseNotes has outdated background/splash screen screenshots11:29
pittikeescook: there is11:29
pittikeescook: 'The following notable bugs are known to exist in the final release:', second point11:29
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FireRabbita few screenshots say "Upload new attachment" next to them on that page11:30
loonixOk, edgy version if freetype I assume uses the autohinter? Not the BCI? i am trying to find out for sure11:30
keescookpitti: it's described, but there is no link to the LP bug.11:30
pittikeescook: ah, I see11:31
keescookwhew, I'm not crazy.  :)  I've added it.11:31
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mdzkeescook: yes, please add a link11:32
pittikeescook: sorry11:32
keescookmdz: done.11:32
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mdzpitti: I gave Keybuk a usplash screenshot which he said he would fix up to replace that one11:32
mdzand it looks like he did11:33
FireRabbitdo you need a new login screenshot?11:33
pittimdz: I meant the gnome splash11:33
mdzFireRabbit: looks that way11:35
mdzI don't know how to do the drop shadow; perhaps it's a gimp plugin?11:35
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pittimdz: right, there is a gimp plugin (I used it once for creating a hackergotchi)11:37
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dholbachpitti: where is your hackergotchi? where is your blog? :)11:41
FireRabbitwhere in gimp is the shadow option?11:42
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pittidholbach: I don't have a blog, I just put it on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/pitti11:46
ajmitchdholbach: blog? not everyone needs one of those :)11:47
dholbachahh ok :)11:47
yacoobajmitch, impossible! web 2.0 is here!11:48
ajmitchyacoob: sorry, I'm still stuck at 0.x11:48
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tormodI see there's a new "Known bugs" section in the release notes. Feel free to pick from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes !11:49
yacoobDrats. We should send you some rounded boxes then.11:49
tormodI meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyKnownIssues (bummer)11:49
_ionKernel crash if PATA port is used on SATA cards needing the sata_promise kernel module (e.g. SATAII150 TX2plus)11:50
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_ion00:06.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20375 (SATA150 TX2plus) (rev 02)11:50
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doko_hrm, got a black/white splash screen for some reason ...11:57
keescookdoko_: bug 67545 ?11:58
UbugtuMalone bug 67545 in usplash "usplash appears black and white" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6754511:58
dholbachdoko_: amd64?11:58
FireRabbitwell http://orion.extremeboredom.net/~eric/DropBox/edgy-gdm-theme-small.png this is the best i can do11:58
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doko_keescook: dholbach: yes, exactly12:00
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keescookpitti, mdz: what do you think of a link from the release notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport in the "Crash Reports" section?12:01
mdzkeescook: very nice, I didn't know about that page12:02
mdzoh, it didn't exist until recently12:02
mdzyes, that seems appropriate to link12:02
keescookmdz: yeah, very new.12:02
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mdzI need to get some sleep; back in the morning12:03
keescookcya mdz12:04
ajmitchnight mdz 12:04
sabdflnight mdz12:04
mdzmjg59: will you be around tomorrow?12:04
Fujitsu'night, mdz.12:04
dholbachnight mdz12:04
mjg59mdz: I'm in London now12:04
mjg59mdz: Ought to be around tomorrow - I can turn up wherever is useful12:04
mdzmjg59: I'll be at the fieldwave office in the morning and probably linuxworld later on12:04
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mdzsabdfl: what on earth are you doing awake?12:04
mjg59mdz: Cool. I'll see you there in that case12:06
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dholbachcr3: please tell me when you're don with the wiki12:07
sabdflmdz: jetlag will do that12:07
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sabdflmdz: thanks for the oracle heads-up12:08

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