[01:39] <poningru> its not down
[01:40] <poningru> the port is 6522
[01:40] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[01:40] <poningru> MagicFab: ^^^
[01:40] <Burgwork> that is default
[01:41] <poningru> well tonyyarusso is connected
[01:41] <Burgwork> ok, fedora sucks
[01:41] <Burgwork> they have disabled their repos for the release
[01:41] <poningru> heh
[01:48] <elkbuntu> of course fedora sucks :
[02:48] <MagicFab> poningru, I would use gobby if it was up. Burgwork said it was OK to edit it directly.
[02:49] <poningru> MagicFab: it is up
[02:49] <poningru> tonyyarusso is on it right now along with me
[02:49] <MagicFab> it was not when I tried.
[02:49] <poningru> MagicFab: are you on dapper?
[02:49] <MagicFab> edgy, right now
[02:49] <poningru> update the gobby package and try again
[02:51] <MagicFab> I just installed it today on this machine. The newsletter was going out tonight and Iw wasn' t sure I could connect later, so I asked Burgwork . Plus it had a pasword... nevermind
[02:52] <MagicFab> but tx for the link, would have been useful earlier ;)
[02:52] <poningru> the uwn is going out tonight/
[02:52] <poningru> ?
[02:52] <Burgwork> yes
[02:53] <poningru> cool
[03:49] <tonyyarusso> Are things just about done on the UWN?
[05:12] <Burgundavia> anybody alive?
[05:19] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i am
[05:19] <Burgundavia> perfect
[05:20] <Burgundavia> anybody else that was editing the UWN around?
[05:21] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, poningru around still?
[05:21] <elkbuntu> tony is away
[05:21] <Burgundavia> right
[05:22] <Burgundavia> hey jenda
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I'm sort of here - tending my dinner
[05:27] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, no prob :)
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Did you need something?
[05:27] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, Burgundavia was calling people to arms for UWN
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> I did all of the parts I knew how to - wasn't sure where to find dapper updates info, and Burgundavia was going to do the edgy changes.
[05:28] <Burgundavia> dapper updates is not hard
[05:29] <Burgundavia> are you subscribed to dapper-changes?
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Ah, nope.
[05:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> So the answer is mailing list archives?
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> Last archive date is the 20th
[05:30] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:30] <Burgundavia> look for anything in the range
[05:31] <Burgundavia> remember to seperate backports from updates
[05:31] <Burgundavia> ignore security uploades
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I can do that.  You still doing the edgy changes?
[05:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:31] <Burgundavia> working through my inbox right now
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Okay.  I'll get on that right after dinner.
[05:52] <Burgundavia> UWN is strictly weekly
[05:52] <Burgundavia> we are working on the 15-21 one
[05:52] <Burgundavia> not the 20-27th one
[05:53] <Burgundavia> nixternal: this is me looking at you
[05:55] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:59] <nixternal> Burgundavia: this is me mooning you! ;)
[06:00] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you ugly beast, I am going blind
[06:00] <nixternal> (_*_)
[06:00] <nixternal> muhahaha
[06:00] <nixternal> flat bottoms from sitting in the computer chair all day long
[06:11] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: please make certain nothing got added that is past the 21st
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Okay, I had some things from before since I wasn't sure how it worked - going back through and fixing them now
[06:12] <Burgundavia> no worries
[06:12] <Burgundavia> add them to 20
[07:12] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: you still around?
[07:13] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Yep
[07:13] <Burgundavia> can you add the info about the new accessiblity devel list?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> to 19
[07:13] <Burgundavia> and no tech board meeting
[07:13] <Burgundavia> or devel meeting
[07:14] <BHSPitLappy> so is there going to be a release party
[07:14] <Burgundavia> depends on where you are
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> I don't have anything about a tech board meeting or devel meeting
[07:15] <BHSPitLappy> on IRC, at least, Burgundavia :P
[07:16] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> And I just found the info for the accessibility list, so I'll get that.
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> What did you mean about the meetings though?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> there is no tech board or devel meetings recently
[07:21] <Burgundavia> see the -devel and -devel-announce list
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> You mean you want me to explain why not?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> I suggest anybody that works on UWN shoudl be subscribed to the all of announce lists
[07:21] <Burgundavia> most that they are not going, but all the reason
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> Okay
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> access list and mtgs info done
[07:34] <lotusleaf> awesome, this channel exists!
[07:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:35] <Burgundavia> we have existed for a while
[07:36] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I guess it just took a clue stick to hit me to find it :)
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:36] <Burgundavia> welcome
[07:36] <lotusleaf> is there a central location for discussions of marketing? :) && thx
[07:36] <Burgundavia> we are currently finishing up the UWN for this week
[07:38] <lotusleaf> I would like to get involved in marketing ubuntu. Would I need to follow the process of becoming an ubuntu member, or what is the best course to get involved in ubuntu marketing?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> you show up
[07:39] <Burgundavia> you breath
[07:39] <Burgundavia> you produce
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: No need to be a member - anyone that mentions Ubuntu over coffee is involved in ubuntu marketing.  There are some materials on the wiki that could help you get started.
[07:40] <Burgundavia> given you have already passed the first two tests, lets work on number 3
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: There's also a mailing list that you can subscribe to for marketing discussion.
[07:40] <Burgundavia> what sort of marketing do you want to do?
[07:40] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: beautifully put. :)
[07:40] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: cool, thx ;)
[07:41] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: long range plan: to make sure everyone has heard of Ubuntu and knows what it is. :)
[07:42] <Burgundavia> right
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I am talking specifics
[07:44] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I have been giving shipit CDs to some friends, a few professors in different unis to distribute to their students in their CS courses, distributing Ubuntu CDs throughout my area, the usual friends+family free installs/setup/support, I'm currently putting together materials to send to my local media (tv/newspaper/magazine) as well
[07:44] <Burgundavia> cool
[07:44] <Burgundavia> we need people to create some rocking materials
[07:45] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: In 2007 I'm going to put together my first batch of glow in the dark Ubuntu bumper stickers so when the lights go down and all the other advertisements are visually silent, the ubuntu advertisements come alive
[07:46] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: also I'm printing out/distributing some flyers about Ubuntu which will say something like "Found: Freedom, and a picture of a cute animal wearing an ubuntu shirt with the ubuntu url below and information"
[07:46] <Burgundavia> we have lots of ideas about brochures
[07:47] <Burgundavia> we need some simple and professional ones
[07:47] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: awesome, I'm curious, do you have a central server with printables for distribution? Pdfs and the like?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> no, not currently
[07:47] <Burgundavia> just the wiki
[07:47] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: k thx
[07:47] <Burgundavia> I am likely to do something like document tree on day
[07:47] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, we've got some stuff on the docteam server, actually, but most on the wiki
[07:47] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I saw an ubuntu marketing forum on the web somewhere, is that official and related to you guys?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> that is dead
[07:47] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: thx I will check it out! :)
[07:47] <Madpilot> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/
[07:47] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ah.. ;)
[07:48] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: thx :)
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> I just did a server install, so I can host things September-April anyway if anyone's interested.
[07:48] <Burgundavia> I am currently evaluating document managment servers at work
[07:49] <Burgundavia> I will recommend something son
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Maybe one day my family will break and get a high speed connection at home.  Until then I can only do fun stuff during the school year.
[07:52] <lotusleaf> I've also contacted all the major talk shows in the U.S. and told them about Ubuntu and Mark Shuttleworth
[07:52] <Burgundavia> so the marketing team is more about creating stuff
[07:52] <Madpilot> Ubuntu on Oprah - ahhhhhh!!!!!
[07:52] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: Montel Williams perhaps? :)
[07:53] <lotusleaf> Don't underestimate the marketing power of a low-brow day time talk show, whichever one that may be
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Any success with that?  I tried e-mail late-nights that do intelligent interviews, but no response of course.
[07:53] <Burgundavia> talking with local people is a local teams
[07:53] <lotusleaf> once you get all the housewives bouncing around...
[07:53] <Madpilot> I can't really imagine anything useful coming out of something moronic like daytime TV meeting Ubuntu...
[07:53] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I just completed my first stage of contact.. My next stage will involve going through people I know in L.A.
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> If we got enough people together suggesting it, what are the odds we could get Mark on the Daily Show?
[07:54] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: that would be cool, but would he get enough air-time?
[07:54] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: as compared to the talk shows
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Anything that he got would be far more intelligent
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> And a larger intelligent audience
[07:55] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: true
[07:55] <lotusleaf> is it just me, or is there a media blackout on Linux in the U.S.?
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> When they get really big names sometimes 20 minutes is actual interview, so you never know.
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> Maybe more even
[07:56] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I don't watch it that often, that would be cool though.
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> I'll be Mark could manage 10 or 15 easily enough
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> I've been relegated to watching what I can get on YouTube, since I don't have cable and the Comedy Central site doesn't work on Linux.
[07:57] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: does it work with firefox in wine?
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Never tried.  Don't do wine.
[07:57] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: for when you really need it, it works =)
[07:58] <lotusleaf> I'd much rather see websites conform to standards, but oh well
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> Yeah
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> The really weird thing is what it does - tries to play a gif file in Totem
[07:59] <lotusleaf> O_o
[08:00] <lotusleaf> I visited the daily show site a few days ago, I didn't care at all for the layout, like most U.S. tv web sites
[08:01] <nikon> hello all
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> NBC gives you a nice little message saying "you must be using internet explorer on windows xp to view this site".  They got an angry e-mail.
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> hi nikon
[08:02] <lotusleaf> I can see why a lot of people like the daily show, but I think people miss the whole issue, we should all have the right to have our own radio station not tied to a corporation. I don't see the daily show as ground breaking at all. But then again, I voted for Nader. </offtopic>
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> I'm confused as to how the different sections of that sentence were related...
[08:03] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: good for you. I go one step further and contact tv stations and radio when they talk about computer viruses and ask them why they aren't talking about Linux?
[08:03] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: a lot of folks say the daily show is a fresh unique news source compared to the other news stations in the U.S.
agree with you there lotusleaf. my friend actually runs his own radio station all out of his own pocket.if he can do t anyone can</offtopic>
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: What sort of response do they manage for that one
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> ?
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Um...it's not a news show :\
[08:04] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: well I swear they have a canned noise machine (like canned laughter) because they're like ferris bueller making up some b.s. excuse about how busy they are and have to go ;)
[08:05] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: that show with stewart?
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah
[08:05] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: it has news, right?
[08:05] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: my point was that a lot of people feel that the daily show is a burst of fresh air in a climate of corporate news
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: He _makes fun_ of the news.  It's a comedy show, and he makes no claim that he is reporting the news.  See his appearance on "Crossfire".
[08:06] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: right, I'm familiar with the show
[08:06] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: and I saw the Crossfire thing
[08:06] <Burgundavia> I think we should concentrate on things we can do
[08:07] <Burgundavia> maybe a form letter to tell people about linux/open source/ubuntu, to send to editors when the mention computer viruses, not windows viruses
[08:07] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: yup :)
[08:07] <Burgundavia> that would be great
[08:07] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: an excellent idea
[08:07] <Burgundavia> so do it
[08:07] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: =)
[08:08] <nikon> i have found that flyers work great..expecially around computer stores
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> nikon: Do you have some?
[08:08] <lotusleaf> nikon: flyers are awesome
[08:09] <nikon> not on the comp im using right now
[08:09] <nikon> ive been thinking about making some new flyers, ill probably start that later toniht
[08:10] <lotusleaf> have you seen those OBEY posters with andre the giant and the Krikey! posters with the Croc Hunter? I'd like to do a very simple take on that with Ubuntu
[08:11] <nikon> i could scetch something up
[08:11] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: earlier, did I read you right when you said you had also presented ideas to US talk shows re: ubuntu?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> no, I have not
[08:11] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: perhaps we could organize a write-in campaign for people to write the talk shows about Ubuntu
[08:11] <nikon> thats cool
[08:11] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, I'm always looking for graphical inspiration - link me to the Crikey/Obey posters pls?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> I don't know if taht is worth it, but sure
[08:11] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: one moment please
[08:12] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: ah... I don't have the Krikey links but they were on Flickr
[08:12] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: my links are on another box in another place ;P
[08:12] <lotusleaf> as for the obey posters.. those are pretty common and there's a site for them too I think?
[08:12] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, I'll ask almighty Google in a moment then - thanks
[08:12] <lotusleaf> np ;)
[08:12] <nikon> it isnt hard to convert people to ubuntu. just need a way to open up there minds
[08:13] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/04/obey_irwin_posters.html
[08:13] <lotusleaf> nikon: exactly
[08:13] <lotusleaf> nikon: and subtle but constant bombardment of advertising works ;)
[08:14] <nikon> as always
[08:14] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: http://flickr.com/photos/goodbyedoggy/261090161/in/photostream/
[08:15] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: and the same Krikey poster but better quality: http://flickr.com/photos/spongemonkey/247277589/
[08:16] <lotusleaf> wil wheaton's (wesley crusher from ST:TNG) website used to link to the OBEY andre poster site let me see
[08:17] <lotusleaf> argh he bloggified it I don't see the link.. going to archive.org
[08:18] <nikon> as for a ubuntu flyer in the likeness of OBEY posters wouldnt be hard at all
[08:18] <nikon> an hours work at most
[08:18] <lotusleaf> nikon: yeah, it would just depend on finding a quality and catchy phrase
[08:18] <lotusleaf> nikon: or set of phrases for different posters
[08:18] <lotusleaf> nikon: I think they would be attention getting
[08:18] <nikon> most def
[08:19] <lotusleaf> and distribution of them would be a "no mercy" approach, putting them as many places as (legally) possible
[08:19] <nikon> o yes
[08:19] <lotusleaf> perhaps there could be flyer distribution penguin clans made, each with a different colored kilt
[08:19] <nikon> how about UBUNTU! The Only Way!
[08:19] <nikon> haha
[08:20] <lotusleaf> I Will Not Konform !
[08:20] <lotusleaf> dunno we need brainstormers
[08:21] <lotusleaf> and a large poster which can be seen via google earth
[08:21] <nikon> i could make aa flyer in the shape of our beloved penquin and put the ubuntu logo on his belly. have him say "MMMMM ubuntu the healthy way to go"
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> That might just be a tad expensive
[08:21] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: but isn't the knowledge of freedom worth it? :)
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: If you have the money, go right ahead.  I don't.
[08:22] <nikon> me either
[08:22] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: It's an idea I will keep in mind =)
[08:22] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: it can be made cheaply if you have the labor done elsewhere
[08:23] <nikon> this isnt wallmart
[08:23] <lotusleaf> lol
[08:23] <lotusleaf> I didn't say sweatshop!
[08:23] <nikon> cheaply, elsewhere = sweatshop
[08:23] <lotusleaf> nah
[08:23] <nikon> in corporate terms anyway
[08:23] <lotusleaf> is jack in the box a sweatshop?
[08:24] <lotusleaf> the minimum wage !
[08:24] <lotusleaf> perhaps I could hire some knitting group to do something huge
[08:24] <lotusleaf> knit a huge ubuntu banner
[08:24] <nikon> hang it on the great wall of china
[08:24] <lotusleaf> lol
[08:26] <nikon> i have an idea
[08:26] <nikon> make ubuntu stickers
[08:27] <nikon> im talking about car window stickers
[08:27] <lotusleaf> glow in the dark and black light
[08:27] <lotusleaf> so they show up at night or under black lights =)
[08:27] <nikon> just have a funky old time
[08:28] <Madpilot> 30 seconds in Inkscape: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ObeyUbuntu.png
[08:28] <Madpilot> well, actually about two minutes, but close enough
[08:29] <nikon> you should make the logo colored. will give it a more LOOK AT ME feel
[08:29] <nikon> nice though
[08:29] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: cool job!
[08:30] <lotusleaf> nikon: yeah but the b/w posters some times have a more raw ghetto look and appeal
[08:30] <lotusleaf> and they're cheaper to duplicate ;)
[08:30] <Madpilot> Inkscape makes roughing out graphical ideas so easy
[08:30] <nikon> that is true
[08:30] <nikon> i need to get inkscape
[08:30] <lotusleaf> a subtle play on that OBEY and KRIKEY thing would really be cool, I think
[08:30] <lotusleaf> and a neat way to spread the message of ubuntu via flyers =)
[08:34] <nikon> haha found another bug in knot 3
[08:35] <lotusleaf> I am the Lizard king! http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelrighi/133766075/
[08:35] <Madpilot> Cool, an Ubuntu-themed eft!
[08:35] <nikon> what an intense color scheme
[08:36] <lotusleaf> nikon: yeah, I'd like to see a film with him done to the Doors music
do you guys like purple kubuntu or blue??
[08:37] <nikon> yea i know haha
[08:38] <lotusleaf> nikon: I like the edgy kubuntu splashy but I don't like the purple background once you login
[08:38] <lotusleaf> nikon: but that's easily changed so it';s no big deal
[08:38] <nikon> yes true
[08:39] <nikon> i found the purple very calming
[08:39] <lotusleaf> nikon: me too. I sit back and lap the milk from a coconut while the unicorns laugh beside me near a silver lake and a waterfall filled with hummingbirds who have since transformed into fish
[08:40] <nikon> haha
[08:40] <lotusleaf> I made an ubuntu logo from a hoolahoop and ping pong balls
[08:41] <lotusleaf> marketing in motion!
[08:42] <lotusleaf> regarding contacting the media for show ideas, it's always nice to have something cool to show them, so I linked them to a youtube video where mark shuttleworth was briefly interviewed and it talked a little about him and ubuntu
[08:42] <Madpilot> closer to the Krikey! original: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ObeyUbuntu2.png
[08:42] <jenda> How's the UWN going?
[08:42] <Madpilot> need to get that rough printed look into the logo & edges too
[08:42] <nikon> i like that one
[08:43] <Madpilot> It's amusing that we have to spend so much time re-creating digitally all the effects real printers try to get rid of but can't
[08:43] <nikon> im keeping that one do you mind?
[08:43] <nikon> haha yea i know
[08:43] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: cool job! we could do tons of these
[08:43] <nikon> gotta love the grunge effect
[08:44] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: perhaps we should make a thread on the forums about these and include them as attachments for printing out ?
[08:44] <lotusleaf> sup jenda
[08:44] <jenda> yo lotusleaf
[08:44] <Madpilot> sure. I can do better quality PNGs, and make the SVG available too - these are just quick screenshot PNGs
[08:44] <nikon> you should
[08:44] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: you've already whipped up some coolness in such a short time, nice work!
[08:45] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, like I said, that's why I love Inkscape - it makes prototyping this sort of thing so effortless
[08:45] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: :) I just found some cool inkscape tutorials the other day but haven't had a chance to check em out
[08:45] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, which ones?
[08:45] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: I have the links on another box ;(
[08:45] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: they should appear in my next site update in Nov
[08:46] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: http://lotusleafslinks.tuxfamily.org/ :)
[08:46] <jenda> Inkscape rocks
[08:46] <jenda> Even I can use it, and that's a lot to say :)
[08:47] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: I'm really liking the second design you made, perhaps you could make the ubuntu logo appear a bit brutal too to coincide with the text beneath?
[08:47] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, yeah, just working on that
[08:47] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: sweet!
[08:47] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: when you get it done, and in a printable size, with your permission I'd like to print some myself for distribution =)
[08:48] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: I'll start in lots of 500
[08:48] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, I'll work on it, post here & the marketing ML when it's available
[08:48] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: right on! :)
[08:49] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: give me a shout out please in case I miss it: lotusleaf@tuxfamily.org
[08:49] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, will do - you are on the marketing mailing list though, right?
[08:49] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: not yet, I just found this channel today ;)
[08:50] <jenda> lotusleaf: I'm working on a website to encourage & help with similar endeavors, so once you print them out (if it's ready) you can put your info in there :)
[08:50] <jenda> (that's why I'm doing the posters and was doing the stickers)
[08:50] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: if you have large PDFs I can provide some hosting on my site too ;)
[08:53] <lotusleaf> how heavy is the mailing list for marketing?
[08:53] <jenda> not much, really.
[08:53] <lotusleaf> k cool I'll go ahead and sign up
[08:53] <jenda> most days, there is no traffic
[08:54] <lotusleaf> hmm I wonder if it's on news.gmane.org
[08:54] <jenda> lotusleaf: we have doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing for hosting thingies like this... except I'm the only person who uses it :)
[08:55] <lotusleaf> jenda: ;)
[08:55] <lotusleaf> thx I'll check it out too
[08:55] <jenda> although everyone in the MT has access...
[08:55] <jenda> Madpilot: would you mind pushing it through the bzr branch?
[08:55] <lotusleaf> jenda: DIY website template looks nice
[08:55] <Madpilot> jenda, will do
[08:56] <jenda> thx )
[08:56] <jenda> :)
[08:56] <jenda> 1) the DIY website to get finished
[08:56] <lotusleaf> I'm liking the DIY posters =)
[08:56] <jenda> 2) the doc.ubuntu.com server to be stable :/
[08:56] <jenda> lotusleaf: I'm going to pick them up from the printer today :)
[08:56] <jenda> a buck a piece, if you're interested.
[08:56] <lotusleaf> jenda: awesome!
[08:57] <lotusleaf> jenda: are you continuing production on them in Spring 07?
[08:57] <jenda> er... huh? ):
[08:57] <jenda> :)
[08:57] <lotusleaf> jenda: you're making them for sale right?
[08:57] <jenda> Well, I'm having a batch of 500 pieces
[08:58] <jenda> yes - pretty much
[08:58] <lotusleaf> jenda: yeah, I was curious if you were going to continue running them into 07
[08:58] <lotusleaf> or if this was a limited test run
[08:58] <jenda> It's a limited test run, but if there's demand, I don't mind printing again.
[08:58] <lotusleaf> k cool thx
[08:59] <jenda> I keep 7.3 US cents from every poster I sell (10% of the price) and the rest will be used to fund marketing projects
[08:59] <jenda> :)
[08:59] <lotusleaf> wow
[09:00] <lotusleaf> you could make a cool ubuntu logo out of pennies retained from that =)
[09:00] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:00] <jenda> It'll be $31.30 on the entire batch, if all 500 are sold.
[09:00] <lotusleaf> I'm making an ubuntu logo out of the metal gold and silver tops from tobacco can lids
[09:00] <lotusleaf> jenda: great, so with that tidy profit you can buy... an ubuntu shirt!
[09:01] <jenda> great idea :)
[09:01] <jenda> Honestly, I'm only doing the posters to have some first stuff to put on teh website, and to prove that it works :) And for that I need to take some sort of profit in order to show people that they can take a profit if they so wish.
[09:02] <lotusleaf> how about a discs of tron poster with an ubuntu logo in place of a Tron disc.. oh wait.. nevermind, you'd have to pay disney for that wouldn't you.. :)
[09:02] <lotusleaf> jenda: the fact that you're doing it at all is cool and I respect that
[09:02] <jenda> (The image would be spoiled if they knew I was going to donate the $30 to Ubuntu afterwards, so keep that secret, just in this channel... ;))
[09:02] <nikon> what poster are you printing out jenda??
[09:03] <jenda> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Posters/HanZo/poster-layout.jpg
[09:03] <lotusleaf> jenda: ok, just don't tell ubuntulog =)
[09:03] <lotusleaf> oops, too late! :D
[09:03] <jenda> ubuntulog: you didn't see _anything_ right?
[09:03] <jenda> I suspect most of the people won't notice.
[09:03] <lotusleaf> jenda: most people don't notice, that's how the media retains power NO CARRIER
[09:04] <jenda> I think it's totally legitimate to take a profit from such a project.
[09:04] <jenda> And I want the people thinking of printing something to know that.
[09:04] <jenda> :)
[09:04] <lotusleaf> jenda: I would tell them I was buying a pink flamingo fedora hat
[09:04] <lotusleaf> with a bird beak snouted front
[09:04] <lotusleaf> and pink feathers around the edges
[09:06] <poningru> yarr
[09:06] <poningru> what are we doing?
[09:06] <lotusleaf> jenda: *<:O)
[09:06] <jenda> poningru: idle chatter :)
[09:06] <poningru> cool
[09:07] <jenda> I'm not sure what's up with the UWN
[09:07] <lotusleaf> poningru: /exit and /part went to the picnic by the lake. Who stayed behind for tea?
[09:07] <jenda> it was supposed to be due yesterday, but it didn't seem to come out...
[09:07] <jenda> /quit ?
[09:08] <lotusleaf> jenda: you win!
[09:08] <jenda> 
[09:08] <Burgundavia> jenda: yesterday? it is only midnight here
[09:08] <poningru> /quit?
[09:08] <jenda> Burgundavia: ah.
[09:08] <poningru> Burgundavia: anything you are working on I can help with?
[09:09] <poningru> doc, or marketing or whatever
[09:09] <jenda> Burgundavia: midnight-o-nine, no? :)
[09:09] <Burgundavia> need to finish up one paragraph, then copy back to teh wiki
[09:09] <poningru> Burgundavia: where are you?
[09:09] <Burgundavia> going to spell check tomorrow morning and send
[09:09] <jenda> I finally signed up to gobby :)
[09:09] <lotusleaf> poningru: you've heard of the OBEY andre the giant posters and perhaps the Krikey croc hunter posters right?
[09:09] <Burgundavia> west coast of NA
[09:09] <lotusleaf> poningru: Madpilot is doing something like that for Ubuntu for flyers
[09:09] <poningru> hmm
[09:09] <poningru> Burgundavia: for the conference?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> no, I live here
[09:10] <poningru> wait when is the mv conference?
[09:10] <jenda> Madpilot: I might think of printing a third batch to make the set - some flyers. I wonder how they would sell, though.
[09:10] <poningru> I thought you were toronto
[09:10] <jenda> OTOH, I could probably fund them completely from the profits on the posters...
[09:12] <poningru> jenda: a 500 gig hdd
[09:12] <poningru> please dig http://digg.com/software/Your_bookmarks_aren_t_lost_they_re_just_hiding
[09:13] <jenda> poningru: what about iL
[09:13] <jenda> *it? ;)
[09:13] <poningru> jenda: what to buy with that money
[09:13] <jenda> aha
[09:14] <jenda> umm... it's a $160 _loss_... not sure I can buy much with that :)
[09:14] <Madpilot> jenda, just declare yourself a government, they're good at spending money they don't have ;)
[09:15] <jenda> wow, great Idea :)
[09:15] <poningru> oh... hhe
[09:16] <jenda> that's right, the only taxpayer ;)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> ok, anybody editing in gobby?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I am going to copy back to the wiki
[09:21] <Burgundavia> then let you lot have at it for a few hours while I sleep
[09:25] <elkbuntu> jenda, how much are the posters again?
[09:28] <nikon> what is gobby?
[09:30] <elkbuntu> !gobbt
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gobbt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <elkbuntu> !gobby
[09:30] <ubotu> gobby: collaborative text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 464 kB, installed size 1628 kB
[09:30] <elkbuntu> nikon, --^ :)
[09:30] <nikon> thank you
[09:32] <jenda> elkbuntu: a buck apiece
[09:32] <elkbuntu> minimum?
[09:32] <jenda> I prefer euros, in which case it's a bit cheaper.
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: What's left?
[09:33] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, probably just making sure it is coherant
[09:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:33] <jenda> elkbuntu: the production price is about 73.something cents
[09:33] <Burgundavia> spellchecking
[09:33] <poningru> nikon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobby
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> What about a link for more info about the i386 rebuild?
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> (line 58)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> that would be part of waht we missed
[09:34] <Burgundavia> keep working on it
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I need to sleep
[09:34] <jenda> I need to sleep too, that's why I'm off to school.
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> Same here unfortunately (Eastern).  I'll see if I can at least find that link.
[09:35] <jenda> elkbuntu: if you're interested, please drop a mail, or pick me up later, gotta run now.
[09:35] <elkbuntu> jenda, ok, cya later then
[09:36] <poningru> jenda: nn
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> Got the link in.
[09:40] <nikon> alright guys going to sleep its 340am and i have classes tommorow. goodnight all
[09:41] <poningru> hmm quick question... if I were to work on making a vmware image that had sobby running with zeroconf support would that help during the mv conference?
[09:43] <elkbuntu> most people at MV will be using edgy and at least someone will know which particular gobby build will work with the particular obby build used
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> No idea
[09:44] <poningru> elkbuntu: see people can use my server if they want
[09:44] <poningru> but since it will be in a different network you cant use the zeroconf to easily discover the docs
[09:45] <elkbuntu> poningru, i think canonical will have all this sorted out already
[09:45] <poningru> but yeah since its only like 2-3 steps to connect
[09:45] <poningru> oh ok
[09:46] <elkbuntu> poningru, will you be at MV?
[09:47] <poningru> I wish
[09:47] <tonyyarusso> Anyone that is going I'm looking for an attendee to adopt a feature specification.
[09:47] <poningru> <--- poor college student
[09:47] <Madpilot> WIP: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ObeyUbuntu3.png
[09:48] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, ^^^
[09:48] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: thx, the grit seems a bit off on the ubuntu logo, the previous one pwns!
[09:48] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: #2 is a keeper
[09:49] <lotusleaf> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ObeyUbuntu3.png <3
[09:49] <Madpilot> the 'grit' inside the white is still the WIP part, all of them are exactly the same peice just copied for a placeholder :)
[09:49] <lotusleaf> oops, I meant: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ObeyUbuntu2.png <3
[09:49] <poningru> naah I like 3 better
[09:49] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: you're rockin' keep up the good work! :)
[09:54] <tonyyarusso> All right, I just made my pass through UWN 19 for proofreading.  You want to check it over now poningru?
[09:55] <poningru> yep
[09:55] <poningru> checking
[09:56] <tonyyarusso> You'll have to add yourself to the bottom, since I wasn't sure what to put for you.
[09:59] <poningru> :) k
[10:00] <poningru> how did we handle links?
[10:00] <poningru> trying to get rid of wiki markup
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> For things within the Ubuntu wiki I used the usual WikiNames automatic links, and just regular links for everything else, except for in the Montreal presentation section, which has text other than the URL linking.
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> (Fabian did that part)
[10:03] <poningru> yeah I have to put that as footnotes for that particular article
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> When you moved the links it looks like you forgot to put back in the name of the group sponsoring the presentation on line 37.
[10:06] <tonyyarusso> (Or maybe you're just still working on that)
[10:07] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Also, I have a disagreement with what you did with the dates.  "th" is not commonly capitalized.
[10:07] <poningru> oh
[10:07] <poningru> will revert
[10:08] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[10:08] <poningru> oh still working on that
[10:13] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible to have an X-less server host the Gobby session?
[10:14] <elkbuntu> yes
[10:14] <elkbuntu> thats what Sobby is
[10:14] <tonyyarusso> Ah, got it.
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> Anything Gobby/sobby-like for things other than plain text?
[10:16] <elkbuntu> no idea
[10:17] <tonyyarusso> Should our contributor attributions at the bottom be linking WikiNames or just regular?
[10:17] <elkbuntu> regular
[10:18] <tonyyarusso> done
[10:24] <poningru> actually with sobby you cant edit
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> What do you mean?
[10:25] <elkbuntu> sobby is a server not a client
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> Right
[10:26] <poningru> yeah you cant actually use sobby to edit the docs... it will only host em
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> (I'm looking for different things I can do with my new desktop machine that weren't as practical for my laptop)
[10:26] <poningru> tonyyarusso: your email server, space heater etc.
[10:26] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ObeyUbuntu4.png <-- last one before I crash for the night - thoughts?
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> Hey!  We have the regular firefox logo now!
[10:27] <poningru> tonyyarusso: :D
[10:27] <poningru> I know
[10:27] <poningru> its teh awesome
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> Still waiting for 2.0 final to come through the tubes though.
[10:27] <poningru> but the tubes are clogged
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> Yep
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> Lots of traffic will do that
[10:27] <poningru> Madpilot: :(
[10:27] <poningru> I liked 3 better
[10:28] <poningru> tonyyarusso: also folding
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> folding?
[10:29] <Madpilot> poningru, too much roughness on the logo now, or ???
[10:29] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, yeah, i noticed that. surely a bug?
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Why?
[10:30] <poningru> Madpilot: yeah a little too rough
[10:30] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, has Moz changed policy then?
[10:30] <poningru> naah re: the logo, we signed the contract :)
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I don't believe so.  Ubuntu just decided to go a  different route from Debian I think.  They were "in talks" with Mozilla about it.
[10:31] <poningru> yeah /me <3
[10:32] <poningru> tonyyarusso: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_folding
[10:32] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding%40home
[10:32] <tonyyarusso> Aargh.  We still have the gross Thunderbird icon.
[10:33] <poningru> we do?
[10:33] <poningru> oh wow
[10:35] <tonyyarusso> poningru: You done with UWN yet?  Doesn't look like anything's chaged recently.
[10:36] <poningru> yeah havent really found anything wrong recently
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> Do you think it's ready?
[10:37] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, only Burgundavia can make that call ;)
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Got it.  I suspected as much, but was wasn't sure.
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> Guess it's not going out tonight then.
[10:37] <elkbuntu> since he has to get it through the ML :)
[10:37] <elkbuntu> no, he said first thing tomorrow afaik
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> Cool
[10:38] <poningru> tonyyarusso: no still going through stuff
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> I suppose I could at least remove the work in progress and template stuff from the top so nobody forgets about that in the morning.
[10:39] <poningru> hehe yeah
[10:42] <poningru> it looks good
[10:42] <poningru> the only thing I dont know about is the oracle article
[10:44] <poningru> its got crazy logic
[10:44] <poningru> and a bit too speculative for my taste
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> That was the one thing that was there when I started, so I didn't really want to mess with someone else's work without having them around.
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> Much of that though is quotes, and the articles that are going around are very speculative.
[10:49] <poningru> yeah lame
[10:49] <poningru> will leave it to the chief editor
[10:49] <poningru> Burgundavia: ^^^
[10:53] <elkbuntu> let the poor guy sleep, would you
[11:00] <poningru> :p
[11:08] <poningru> elkbuntu: I was up for about 30 hours last couple of days straight
[11:08] <poningru> and working on about 6 hours of sleep after that
[11:09] <poningru> this classes+job+other projects thing is really draining
[11:09] <elkbuntu> hehe yeah
[11:14] <poningru> tommorow I have Campus Sustainability conference to go to
[11:14] <poningru> early in the morn
[11:36] <poningru> nn guys
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> nn
[03:06] <jenda> w00t
[03:06] <jenda> posters are in :)
[03:07] <elkbuntu> yay
[03:08] <elkbuntu> do they look as good as expected?
[03:09] <jenda> Much better, of course ;)
[03:49] <jenda> elkbuntu: Once I cover the cost, I'll start donating (the posters) to LoCo teams.
[03:50] <elkbuntu> cool
[04:00] <KenSentMe> jenda: should i send my money through paypal?
[04:01] <jenda> yeppers :)
[04:02] <KenSentMe> was it 20 euro's for posters and stickers?
[04:03] <KenSentMe> or 10, i don't know
[04:03] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:03] <jenda> looks like 10
[04:03] <KenSentMe> okay
[04:03] <KenSentMe> jenda@ubuntu.com?
[04:04] <jenda> yes...
[04:04] <jenda> ubuntulog: you didn't see anything
[04:04] <KenSentMe> whoops, sorry about that
[04:04] <jenda> KenSentMe: please don't post my addy in a publically logged channel :(
[04:04] <jenda> no problem.
[04:04] <KenSentMe> can i undo it in some way?
[04:06] <KenSentMe> Money sent btw
[04:10] <jenda> Umm, well...
[04:10] <jenda> you'd have to contact fabbione and ask him if it's possible to remove the address...
[04:12] <jenda> ...and perhaps suggest an automated de-spamifier that would grab x@y.z format things and make them x(a t)y(d.o.t)z :)
[04:21] <KenSentMe> jenda: i contacted fabbione, but he says he too busy preparing for edgy release
[04:22] <jenda> ok
[04:22] <jenda> no problem, I'll survive :)
[04:23] <jenda> I just realised I was supposed to have been somewhere half an hour ago...
[05:47] <MenZa> jenda: :O
[05:48] <MenZa> jenda: some Danish guy asked me if I had more stickers yesterday :D
[05:48] <MenZa> elkbuntu: hey Melissa :D
[07:04] <nikon> hey all
[08:32] <jenda> MenZa: Tjoels.
[09:33] <nikon_> hello
[09:37] <jenda> hello nikon_
[09:37] <jenda> welcome to da marketing channel (and mailing list ;))
[09:40] <nikon> thankyou
[09:43] <nikon> hey jenda can i get a link to the marketing wiki??
[09:43] <jenda> sure
[09:43] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[09:43] <jenda> typed it manually :) :) :)
[09:43] <nikon> thanks a bunch
[09:43] <jenda> np
[09:44] <jenda> my fingers have several words taught very well on the keyboard... ubuntu, marketing team, ubuntuforums, ... :)
[09:46] <nikon> haha
[09:54] <nikon> when is the next issue of the mailing list being sent out??
[09:55] <jenda> umm
[09:56] <jenda> the mailing list is a communications media - whenever someone posts to it, all the subscribers recieve the message.
[09:56] <jenda> You can post to it too, and everyone subscribed will receive it.
[09:57] <nikon> oooooo...ok
[09:57] <jenda> Now what _does_ come out in issues is the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter.
[09:58] <jenda> There should be one today, I believe...
[10:00] <Burgwork> there will be, I am just ignoring it right nw
[10:00] <jenda> ok
[10:01] <nikon> where do i go to get it?
[10:02] <Burgwork> isn't out yet, currently in gobby
[10:03] <jenda> nikon: you can have a look at the previous issue.
[10:03] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue18
[10:04] <MagicFab> Burgwork, I don't see the bit about the Montreal presentation
[10:04] <Burgwork> hmm, forgot
[10:04] <Burgwork> add as needed
[10:05] <Burgwork> oh, wait, when was the montreal thingy?
[10:05] <Burgwork> after the 21st?
[10:07] <jenda> @now Prague
[10:08] <jenda> :)
[10:08] <jenda> oops
[10:11] <jenda> nikon: fire it up, and click join session.
[10:12] <jenda> nikon: the host is "72.209.68.178"
[10:12] <jenda> and leave the port default (5222)
[10:13] <jenda> choose a color.
[10:13] <jenda> it'll ask for a pass - it's ufl@ftw
[10:13] <jenda> now just feel free to edit :)
[10:13] <jenda> (/me was asked for help)
[10:14] <MagicFab> I still can't connect with that info - using Edgy.
[10:14] <nikon> this is what i get when i start gobby "Howl initialisation failed. Probably you need to run mDNSResponder as root prior to Gobby. Zeroconf support is deactivated for this session."
[10:14] <MagicFab> Same for me.
[10:14] <jenda> MagicFab: what's the problem?
[10:15] <jenda> nikon: that doesn't matter.
[10:15] <jenda> i get that too.
[10:15] <nikon> ok
[10:15] <jenda> or... I did. I don't think I do anymore :) I have no clue why.
[10:16] <MagicFab> And how can I check the version of the nl I edited yesterday ?
[10:16] <nikon> cannot assign requested address
[10:17] <MagicFab> nikon, same for me
[10:17] <jenda> I had that too...
[10:17] <jenda> I have no clue how I fixed it :(
[10:17] <MagicFab> Burgwork, where can I find my edit from yesterday ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue18?action=info doesn't show it.
[10:17] <Burgwork> hmm, no idea
[10:18] <MagicFab> pfh... why is does this feel such a WASTE of my time (and yours)
[10:18] <Burgwork> doesn't to me
[10:19] <MagicFab> I don't enjoy seing my bit gone, and no solution for contributing other than broken gobby session
[10:19] <nikon> hey jenda what is your default port
[10:20] <jenda> 5222
[10:20] <Burgwork> 6522
[10:20] <jenda> omg
[10:20] <jenda> sorry
[10:20] <jenda> wasn't it 5222 in old gobby?
[10:20] <MagicFab> f**k
[10:20] <jenda> MagicFab!
[10:21] <nikon> haha got it
[10:21] <MagicFab> sorry, I hat doing things twice with the wrong info
[10:22] <MagicFab> really, this is a bad day for me.
[10:22] <jenda> Sorry. But I told you to keep default ;) Don't listen to _all_ I say,though, pick the good parts.
[10:23] <nikon> ha alright ill keep that in mind
[10:25] <nikon> all updates to the doc is displayed in realtime right?
[10:26] <Burgwork> yes
[10:26] <jenda> in neat little colors! :)
[10:37] <MagicFab> ok, re-wrote it.
[10:37] <MagicFab> do I need to do anything specific so it's saved ? Can someone comment on it / approve...
[10:37] <MagicFab> It's at the end of the community section
[10:38] <jenda> MagicFab: you can save locally,
[10:38] <jenda> but the server has your changes already.
[10:38] <jenda> Do save. It's a good idea. What if a bomb hits the server.
[10:39] <MagicFab> ok, so saved. I checked for mistakes, tested links, seems ok.
[10:39] <MagicFab> gotta run now... :(
[10:43] <jenda> later
[11:56] <Burgwork> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6080048.stm
[11:58] <jenda> I listened to it. It's worth it :)