[09:54] <highvoltage> @schedule
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 25 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 20:00: Technical Board
[09:56] <GNAM> @schedule ROME
[09:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 25 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board
[09:56] <GNAM> everyone is working at edgy release
[09:56] <GNAM> no time for meetings.
[09:59] <tonyyarusso> Yep
[10:01] <lotusleaf> merry meetings
[03:48] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 25 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 14:00: Technical Board
[06:48] <lguerra> @schedule bogota
[06:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Bogota: 25 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 15:00: Technical Board
[06:53] <ian_brasil> @schedule manaus
[06:53] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Manaus: 25 Oct 16:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 16:00: Technical Board
[09:45] <rodarvus> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 25 Oct 18:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 18:00: Technical Board
[09:48] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[09:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 25 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 22:00: Technical Board
[09:53] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board
[09:58] <Boondoggle> every body ./j thetravelers
[09:58] <nixternal> oh sure, let me get right on that
[09:59] <stgraber> hi
[09:59] <highvoltage> hi nixternal and stgraber 
[09:59] <nixternal> well hello there
[09:59] <highvoltage> and LaserJock, of course
[09:59] <RichEd> hi ... will get going in 1 min
[09:59] <nixternal> oh no, LaserJock is here
[09:59] <LaserJock> sorry, I keep forgetting to join this channel
[10:00] <nixternal> thats alright LaserJock, we keep forgetting to tell you about it ;)
[10:00] <juliux> hi all
[10:00] <sbalneav> Ok, so, we're discussing how the Edubuntu desktop's being replaced by a re-write of the "pong" game in python, right?
[10:00] <highvoltage> *BONG*
[10:02] <RichEd> hello all
[10:02] <ajmitch> hi RichEd :)
[10:02] <RichEd> time and energy is limited so we will keep it brief
[10:03] <sbalneav> I was thinking of the gong show.
[10:03] <rodarvus> hi there
[10:03] <nixternal> haha
[10:03] <sbalneav> Thought chuck berry had joined our ranks.
[10:03] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:03] <highvoltage> roll over beat hoven
[10:03] <cbx33> sorry guys...I'm not gonna be able to make the meeting tonight?
[10:03] <RichEd> TECH UPDATE
[10:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: I don't know. I thought you'd know
[10:04] <nixternal> lol
[10:04] <RichEd> ogra is busy testing
[10:04] <RichEd> from 2 mins ago from #ubuntu-release: <mdz> looking good, everyone
[10:04] <cbx33> damn me and silly punctuation
[10:04] <sbalneav> My tests last night went swimmingly.
[10:04] <cbx33> mine too
[10:04] <RichEd> so we are all holding thumbs for a smooth release :)
[10:04] <cbx33> peace out dudes
[10:04] <nixternal> tests here have been good so far as well, on the stand alone side
[10:04] <RichEd> bye cbx33 
[10:04] <nixternal> later cbx33
[10:04] <cbx33> oh RichEd 
[10:04] <highvoltage> bye cbx33 
[10:04] <rodarvus> release is expected next morning
[10:04] <cbx33> can I just pm you quick about a meeting item?
[10:05] <rodarvus> and unless something goes really bad, should happen successfully
[10:05] <RichEd> sure cbx33 
[10:05] <RichEd> rodarvus: you can lead tech update ... any other comments / news
[10:06] <rodarvus> yes, I'd like to remind everyone that as soon as Edgy is released
[10:06] <rodarvus> (tomorrow)
[10:06] <rodarvus> we are going to work FULL TIME on preparation for UDS Mountain View
[10:06] <rodarvus> so, if you need help to add your stuff to features.launchpad.net
[10:06] <RichEd> cbx33: before you go ... some excited comments on your uplash screen flying around
[10:07] <rodarvus> please do not hesitate contacting us
[10:07] <LaserJock> rodarvus: any word on when the feisty repos will open?
[10:07] <rodarvus> LaserJock, yes, when edgy is released
[10:07] <rodarvus> but the first few days are reserved for toolchain
[10:07] <rodarvus> glibc, gcc, binutils, etc
[10:07] <LaserJock> ok
[10:07] <rodarvus> and no other packages are allowed until this is stabilized
[10:07] <LaserJock> sure
[10:07] <highvoltage> rodarvus: and do we know yet if there's going to be a way for people outside UDS-MTV to communicate with the BoF sessions?
[10:07] <rodarvus> expect this to take at least one week, maybe two
[10:08] <rodarvus> in other words, right after UDS mountain vew
[10:08] <rodarvus> highvoltage, yes, this is under heavy testing right now.
[10:08] <juliux> highvoltage, good point
[10:08] <highvoltage> great.
[10:08] <rodarvus> its quite likely that we'll use Ekiga conference rooms
[10:08] <cbx33> cool
[10:08] <LaserJock> ok, I was thinking of trying to upload some stuff for people to try before Mt View but I'll wait
[10:08] <juliux> cool
[10:08] <cbx33> good I hyope RichEd 
[10:08] <highvoltage> oh excellent
[10:08] <rodarvus> so, no more closed source software for conferencing :)
[10:08] <highvoltage> teamspeak R.I.P.
[10:08] <rodarvus> LaserJock, yeah, unfortunately that will have to wait
[10:09] <highvoltage> "Player has left the game"
[10:09] <sbalneav> \o/ ekiga
[10:09] <LaserJock> haha
[10:09] <rodarvus> clan anyhow, final note on the features: make sure you have *your* plans there. its much easier to have your stuff added to feisty if it was planned in advance
[10:09] <rodarvus> and developed according to the plans
[10:10] <rodarvus> even if you are not going to be on MV, add it to the feature list
[10:10] <rodarvus> and those of us that are there can discuss it
[10:10] <rodarvus> (and you can participate via Ekiga, or whatever tool is chosen, and gobby)
[10:10] <cbx33> rodarvus, is there an http proxy for Ekiga?
[10:10] <RichEd> if you just have ideas, send to the mailing list ... we'll cobble together proper launchpad features
[10:10] <rodarvus> cbx33, yes, there is
[10:10] <rodarvus> RichEd, exactly
[10:10] <cbx33> rodarvus, please please, if we can sort somekind of http proxy for these tools
[10:11] <cbx33> I can still attend a lot from work
[10:11] <cbx33> if you could mail me some details that would be so fantastic
[10:11] <rodarvus> cbx33, I'm sure the support team is working on this, but I'll remember them when I talk to them tomorrow morning
[10:11] <cbx33> right I really gotta go
[10:11] <cbx33> please do
[10:11] <cbx33> I'll email yuo ua reminder tonight ;)
[10:12] <RichEd> cbx33: mail me and rodarvus about a wiki page for "outside attendees"
[10:12] <cbx33> rodarvus, it's possible I can take one day off work if there is a BOF that is very pertainent to me....
[10:12] <cbx33> and that means I'm ok witho ut the http proy...
[10:12] <rodarvus> cbx33, I don't think you'll need a day off. make sure Lisa is ok with you awake until late evening, though :D
[10:12] <cbx33> but I need http proxy for gobby and ekiga ;)
[10:12] <RichEd> We will discuss UDS in detail at next weeks meeting
[10:12] <cbx33> haha
[10:12] <cbx33> ok
[10:12] <rodarvus> our working day starts when your working day is over, in the UK
[10:12] <cbx33> ah yes
[10:13] <cbx33> ok peace out
[10:13] <cbx33> ;)
[10:13] <rodarvus> say UTC-8, I think
[10:13] <RichEd> so cbx33 : bring up a wiki page at the meeting then
[10:13] <rodarvus> anyhow, this is basically what I had to talk on tech update
[10:13] <highvoltage> btw, do we have the http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/25/msie_sends_a_cake_to.html covered?
[10:14] <pygi> hey all
[10:14] <pygi> sorry for being late :(
[10:14] <rodarvus> on less than bright news, my laptop was stolen this morning, with all my email, and other important stuff. if you have sent me an email, please resend it to me, so I can properly answer
[10:14] <sbalneav> Oh noes!
[10:14] <Seveas> rodarvus, : (
[10:14] <sbalneav> From your house?
[10:14] <highvoltage> rodarvus: urgh!
[10:14] <highvoltage> rodarvus: backups++
[10:14] <rodarvus> from inside a bus
[10:14] <rodarvus> highvoltage, I always have backups
[10:15] <highvoltage> :)
[10:15] <rodarvus> but I nuked my weekly backup just a few days ago, for doing Edgy installation testing
[10:15] <rodarvus> (dude, that hurts)
[10:15] <rodarvus> I'll also have to buy a new laptop for me, in time for MV
[10:15] <rodarvus> and this is going to be *hard*, in Brazil
[10:15] <rodarvus> wish me luck :)
[10:15] <LaserJock> man, that is to terrible
[10:16] <RichEd> rodarvus: are prices bad in Brazil - can someone bring one for you from a cheaper place ?
[10:17] <highvoltage> LaserJock: you and rodarvus can start a support group ;)
[10:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I didn't loose nearly as much as Rodrigo though, unless somebody in Paris steals my identity
[10:18] <LaserJock> *lose
[10:18] <rodarvus> RichEd, prices are horrible in brazil - I'm talking with mneptok already, though
[10:19] <RichEd> good ... keep in mind that models like HP / compaq have a world wide guarantee
[10:20] <juliux> the hp nx series are very cheap here
[10:20] <rodarvus> I'm considering getting an IBM this time
[10:20] <LaserJock> rodarvus: and you can't wait until you are actually in Mountain View? surely buying a laptop in Silicon Valley would be cheaper than in Brazil
[10:21] <rodarvus> the problem with brazil is that laptop insurance here is extremely expensive
[10:21] <rodarvus> like, 400 US$ per year or such
[10:21] <rodarvus> LaserJock, yeah, that is the idea
[10:21] <LaserJock> for insurance?!?!
[10:21] <rodarvus> yup
[10:22] <LaserJock> insane
[10:22] <RichEd> Okay ... back to the agenda :)
[10:22] <rodarvus> yes, sorry for taking the meeting off-agenda
[10:22] <pips1> did I read correctly... release is probably going to be tomorrow?!
[10:22] <RichEd> no problem
[10:22] <highvoltage> pips1: yep, all along :)
[10:22] <ajmitch> rodarvus: I can sympathise with your loss :)
[10:23] <RichEd> yes pips1 testing had a glitch earlier, but all seems good now
[10:23] <rodarvus> pips1, yes
[10:23] <RichEd> rodarvus: when you said: <rodarvus> anyhow, this is basically what I had to talk on tech update
[10:23] <RichEd> were you done, or about to start ??
[10:23] <rodarvus> I'm done
[10:23] <RichEd> okay ... moving on ...
[10:23] <RichEd> Technical Documentation
[10:24] <RichEd> nixternal: comments ? you are the main man here
[10:24] <nixternal> how am i the main man?  all i do is update the svn ;)
[10:24] <nixternal> handbook won't be ready, and truthfully i think it may need some restructuring
[10:24] <RichEd> ^^ well you know the status better than anyone ...
[10:25] <nixternal> i would rather be safe right now, take our time, an dnot rush...
[10:25] <nixternal> well as for the typical documentation that goes out with every release, I dont' know who does that for you all, or even where it is stored
[10:25] <RichEd> what issues will it cause if people do not have an new version ?
[10:25] <nixternal> new version or?
[10:25] <nixternal> of?
[10:25] <nixternal> no or
[10:25] <nixternal> argh, i can't type
[10:26] <sbalneav> Any chance of posting the information somewhere, in html form?  There's precious little doco for the ltsp side of things, and some of the stuff that I've brought in there will help us to reduce our support load.
[10:26] <nixternal> sbalneav: yes
[10:26] <RichEd> i.e. if people are downloading and installing edgy, and looking at old documents, wil they have a huge gap anywhere ?
[10:26] <nixternal> it needs to validate first, which shouldn't be to difficult for me to get done, and then it needs to be groomed
[10:26] <LaserJock> RichEd: I don't think there are any old documents
[10:27] <nixternal> im checking now
[10:27] <LaserJock> the only real deadline was for shipping docs
[10:27] <nixternal> it is all Ubuntu docs anyways
[10:27] <LaserJock> anything else (HTML, etc.) can be done at any time
[10:28] <nixternal> LaserJock: how come Edubuntu doesn't have a release notes, about edubuntu, and desktop guide in the first place?
[10:28] <LaserJock> it had release notes at one point
[10:28] <nixternal> every other project does, but Edubuntu utilizes the Ubuntu documentation, which I think could be problematic since it doesn't cover anything Edubuntu
[10:28] <LaserJock> but for the rest, nobody has written it
[10:29] <nixternal> OK, well the Handbook will become the "Desktop Guide" eventually
[10:29] <LaserJock> yep
[10:29] <ogra> nixternal: it covers server and desktop administration ... 
[10:29] <ogra> (the ubuntu docs)
[10:29] <LaserJock> but it isn't shipped so we don't need to worry about timeline right now
[10:29] <pips1> the only edubuntu-specific documentation that is shipping on the cd is the firefox start page, or not?
[10:29] <ogra> yes
[10:29] <pips1> right
[10:29] <ogra> currently thats it
[10:30] <RichEd> And from all accounts, most things are easier in Edgy than Dapper, so there should be less need for help ?
[10:30] <ogra> RichEd wanted a short testing status ...
[10:30] <ogra> right
[10:30] <nixternal> ogra: did the firefox start page get fixed, title wise?
[10:30] <ogra> well, depends where you look at ...
[10:31] <pips1> what about documentation that is launched with the release? i.e. release notes are done in the ubuntu release notes, right? anything else?
[10:31] <ogra> we didnt change any apps, so teh maintenance and configuration questions for these will stay teh same 
[10:31] <RichEd> ogra: go ahead ...  with testing status when you are ready
[10:31] <pygi> nixternal: it should become Desktop Guide in Feisty
[10:32] <pygi> everything else is not an option
[10:32] <nixternal> Handbook will become the dg in feisty?
[10:32] <nixternal> man it takes me forever to spell that little word
[10:32] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current has the testing status ... edubuntu is the table at the bottom
[10:33] <nixternal> ogra: i will add some info in a bit to it...all my i386 stand alone is PASS, except for the "resizing" portions
[10:34] <ogra> oh, whats wrong there ? 
[10:34] <nixternal> i didn't do resizing..no fial
[10:34] <nixternal> sorry
[10:34] <nixternal> ya, i left you hanging
[10:34] <ogra> ah, fine 
[10:34] <pips1> ogra: what's the status of testing the dist-upgrade?
[10:34] <pips1> I started to test a amd64 edubuntu server upgrade test myself earlier, but did have a chance to go through with it yet...
[10:34] <ogra> i thought it was broken for you or something :)
[10:34] <nixternal> i re-read it and went i bet ogra is like oh no, whats wrong ;)
[10:34] <ogra> pips1: i did one and i think juliux did one as well
[10:34] <ogra> but mine dates about a week back 
[10:35] <ogra> i'll do one tomorrow morning if there is still time left
[10:35] <pips1> does the dist-upgrade run through completely fine, or does it need any manual steps from the user?
[10:36] <pips1> ?
[10:37] <pygi> pips1: runs fine
[10:37] <pips1> I only noted jelkner did a dist-upgrade earlier and managed to get his system running with a little help from highvoltage
[10:37] <pips1> pygi: ok, thanks
[10:37] <highvoltage> jelkner did some unique things, it seems
[10:38] <pips1> right :-)
[10:38] <highvoltage> she overwrote her /etc/exports file with a blank file somehow
[10:38] <pips1> he
[10:38] <ogra> btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
[10:38] <ogra> in case someone asks again about local deviuces
[10:38] <pips1> hehe
[10:39] <highvoltage> aaah, I was confusing jelkner with elkbuntu :)
[10:39] <pygi> highvoltage: !
[10:39] <highvoltage> (IT'S LATE, OKAY!)
[10:40] <pygi> highvoltage: dont shout ;)
[10:41] <highvoltage> pips1: as it usually does ;)
 what about documentation that is launched with the release? 
[10:41] <pips1>  release notes are done in the ubuntu release notes, right? anything else?
[10:42] <RichEd> re agenda: ogra was busy, and just popped in for tech
[10:42] <pips1> ah
[10:42] <RichEd> pips1: as ar as I know ... yes
[10:42] <RichEd> *as far
[10:42] <ogra> right, please move on ...
[10:43] <pips1> what about DOC on the edubuntu.org site? does any page need to be updated specifically? 
[10:44] <RichEd> pips1: yes ... there are a few related to downloads ...
[10:44] <pips1> oh these last minute questions, lordy!
[10:44] <RichEd> we need to explain the following:
[10:44] <pips1> ok, I can update the mirror download links, no problem
[10:44] <RichEd> 1. there is now Edgy as well as LTS for download
[10:44] <ogra> gettingstarted should also get a rewrite ...
[10:44] <RichEd> we need to make sure people can see both ... LTS is not meant to be replaced by Edgy
[10:45] <RichEd> thanks ogra : I'll add to my page of thinsg to review
[10:45] <highvoltage> it needs a heavy re-write
[10:45] <ogra> RichEd: but that can happen next week, its just dropping off stuff 
[10:46] <RichEd> that's good ... I have noted and we will work though it
[10:46] <ogra> highvoltage: well, i'd say its fine it just has to much stuff on it for todays edubuntu
[10:46] <pips1> RichEd: understood. we need both Edgy and LTS dowload (mirror) listings 
[10:46] <RichEd> rejden: Edgy vs LTS here is the official statement
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[10:46] <RichEd> Edubuntu 6.10 will be supported for 18 months on both desktops
[10:46] <RichEd> and servers. Note that the previous stable release (6.06 LTS)
[10:46] <RichEd> is a long-term support release, and so users requiring a longer
[10:46] <RichEd> support lifetime may choose to continue using that version rather
[10:46] <RichEd> than upgrade to or install 6.10.
[10:46] <RichEd> <end quote>
[10:47] <highvoltage> 6.06 is really still good.
[10:47] <RichEd> We also need to explain that there will be NO free shipit CDs for Edgy for Edubuntu
[10:47] <RichEd> Options are:
[10:47] <RichEd> download Edgy or LTS
[10:47] <ogra> not even for LOCOs as promised before ?
[10:47] <RichEd> shipit LTS
[10:48] <RichEd> buy Edgy : I have list of suppliers
[10:48] <pips1> OHH
[10:48] <highvoltage> 6) Freedom toasters :)
[10:48] <RichEd> as in pay for the CD not the s/w <- before I get shot down in flames !
[10:49] <sbalneav> Can we buy cd's?
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd: are you positively sure that we dont ship edgy to LoCo's ?
[10:49] <RichEd> ogra: I will confirm this ... it may be by request only, but the Shipit pages state Dapper only
[10:49] <ogra> sbalneav: sure, since breezy already
[10:49] <nixternal> ogra: edgy is being shipped tot he locos
[10:49] <nixternal> i believe either 25 or 50 cds
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd: right, but there was a mail from silbs where she stated that
[10:49] <nixternal> i placed my order for the Ubuntu Chicago LoCo already
[10:50] <pygi> nixternal: I thought 500!!!
[10:50] <ogra> so if LoCos can get them, we should point people to their local one
[10:50] <RichEd> sbalneav: they have been pushing for purchase through Amazon etc.
[10:50] <nixternal> 500 total
[10:50] <nixternal> edubuntu wise there is 25 or 50
[10:50] <pygi> right
[10:50] <RichEd> I have a list of suppliers, which we will add to the wiki pages tomorrow
[10:51] <nixternal>     *
[10:51] <nixternal>       Ubuntu: PC: 300, AMD64: 50
[10:51] <nixternal>     *
[10:51] <pips1> RichEd: Iooks like you are on top of things :-) please mail me that list of suppliers to include on the website... ahh, wiki page works to, we can link to that.
[10:51] <nixternal>       Kubuntu: PC: 75, AMD64: 25
[10:51] <nixternal>     *
[10:51] <nixternal>       Edubuntu: PC: 50
[10:51] <nixternal> sorry for that
[10:51] <nixternal> but there it is
[10:51] <sbalneav> I certainly don't mind buying cd's, so long as we're still producing them with the nice artwork, etc.  There's a HUGE difference in peoples minds between saying "try this, its great", and handing them a professional looking cd, silkscreened + nice cover, vs "try this", on a self burned cd, in a plain white sleeve :)
[10:51] <RichEd> pips ... I will do a quick & dirty on the wiki ... and you can neaten for the www
[10:52] <LaserJock> sbalneav: get out your crayon set
[10:52] <RichEd> note that matt has done some really nice pages on Getting Ubuntu ... on the www.ubuntu.com site (still in staging for tomorrow)
[10:53] <sbalneav> so we're NOT going to have nice cd's, for edgy, even for sale?
[10:53] <RichEd> We need to revise our pages to make them easy to understand, and fit into his for linking
[10:53] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yes they will be for sale
[10:54] <RichEd> Again, I'll put some pages up on the wiki, and we can neaten for www.edubuntu.org
[10:54] <ogra> sbalneav: there is cover artwork been done, so i bet we'll have some nice CDs 
[10:54] <ogra> s/is/has/
[10:54] <RichEd> yes ... I have the cover photos ... in an email ... not sure how to share them yet
[10:54] <pips1> good to hear there is cover artwork
[10:55] <sbalneav> ogra: great news.
[10:57] <RichEd> Note that a new dedicated person is looking after marketing : Christina .. she is getting up to speed, but is doing a good focussed job
[10:58] <RichEd> I will make some serious time with her at the next face-to-face meeting ...
[10:58] <RichEd> We can slip forwards into the next topic: Web Documentation ----
[10:59] <pips1> Is Christina a Canonical person?
[10:59] <RichEd> yes. there was one person Chris Kenyon, who has now expaneded into 4 people
[10:59] <pips1> heh
[11:00] <highvoltage> that's very good :)
[11:00] <RichEd> Each person now has their own new business / new market focus, and ChrisK is the coodinator
[11:01] <RichEd> So where Chris had major time constraints and distractions, there are now dedicated people.
[11:01] <RichEd> Back onto web site & documentation:
[11:01] <RichEd> pips1 and I will be looking seriously at the web site and documentation at UDS ... and then I spend some time with Matt Nuzum (Ubuntu webmaster) at the next meeting. we will tackle an entire site revamp probably in december. pips1 has already made notes of what he thinks is missing.
[11:02] <ogra> did you register any specs for that i could subscribe to ?
[11:02] <RichEd> That's next on my to do list :) probably friday 
[11:03] <pips1> I'm glad this gets a spec :)
[11:03] <ogra> https://features.launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs has all my specs  ... i registered some on monday, but they are not fleshed out with wikipages yet
[11:03] <RichEd> The Ubuntu site is already being reworked, and it is looking very neat and clean. The structure of pages and navigation is more intuitive, and we should be able to fit in with that.
[11:04] <LaserJock> I registered edubuntu-menus-completion
[11:05] <RichEd> Between pips1 and myself, we must set up a wiki page where all people here can make comments ... we should be able to give you links at the next meeting.
[11:05] <ogra> oh, i need to subscribe to that
[11:05] <ogra> (i mean LaserJock)
[11:06] <RichEd> We will have a first round of discussions on the web site at UDS ... but the serious stuff will happen with Matt Nuzum a week later.
[11:06] <RichEd> Community -----------------------
[11:06] <LaserJock> RichEd: what about the specs coming from community suggestions
[11:06] <pips1> right...
[11:07] <RichEd> LaserJock: explain more ?
[11:07] <RichEd> We are open to all suggestions ...
[11:07] <LaserJock> RichEd: I thought we were going to get suggestions from a forum and pick 10
[11:08] <LaserJock> and deliver 5, or something to that effect
[11:08] <RichEd> Oh .. for features ... I thought you meant web site.
[11:08] <LaserJock> no
[11:08] <RichEd> Yes ... any ideas or suggestions are to bve sent to the mail lists = devel or user
[11:08] <RichEd> Yes ... any ideas or suggestions are to be sent to the mail lists = edubunt-devel or edubuntu-user
[11:09] <RichEd> At next weeks meeting, I'll open up a discussion of what we think are realist and important
[11:10] <RichEd> So I will summarize what is being bounced around in the emails. Quite a few are requests for applications. We need still more feature requests ... please
[11:10] <RichEd> Community -----------------------
[11:11] <RichEd> Jono Bacon is as passionate about education as we are, and we have together contacted the LoCo groups to ask for a nominated education contact for each territory
[11:12] <RichEd> We have had a few reponses already ... so that extends our community contacts to people outside of our exiting boundaries.
[11:12] <RichEd> *existing
[11:13] <RichEd> There are about 8 people at UDS who want to talk community, and Jono will lead some meetings on this.
[11:13] <RichEd> As you know, we are keen to bring in people using Kubuntu and Ubuntu in Education to add to our Edubuntu community.
[11:14] <RichEd> I'll try to get some stats for next week, but I can tell you that our mail list subscribers are growing by a few people each day.
[11:14] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:14] <pips1> nice
[11:15] <RichEd> And speaking of community ... we need the following categories of volunteer if you are keen or know anyone who may be:
[11:15] <RichEd> 1. User Documentation
[11:15] <RichEd> = contributors or proof readers ... any sort of help
[11:15] <RichEd> = HedgeMage will be taking a back seat soon
[11:16] <RichEd> 2. Artwork
[11:16] <RichEd> = we'd like to start artwork for feisty sooner than later
[11:17] <RichEd> = we have Lisa (AliasVegas) but she cannot give enough time and would like some help
[11:17] <RichEd> 3. Minutes of meetings
[11:17] <RichEd> = cbx33 is also taking a bit of strain ... and would like to alternate weekly sessions
[11:17] <RichEd> ^^^ so please mail me if you have bandwidth
[11:18] <pygi> RichEd: what about me? Ain't I working on User Docs with hedgie? :P
[11:18] <RichEd> pygi: no offence intended :) HedgeMage just wants to get back into more dev work
[11:19] <pygi> RichEd: yea, yea, I know that =)
[11:19] <RichEd> I will mail a call for all of these to the devel and users mail lists ... and we must create a more compelling web page on "how you can get involved"
[11:20] <pips1> noted
[11:20] <pygi> RichEd: and finally make organisation better for Handbook
[11:20] <RichEd> We are hoping that the expansion in community size will be a bigger selection pool
[11:20] <pygi> This is the second time we have mess in our lines
[11:20] <pygi> we can be happy we finish it on time
[11:20] <RichEd> pygi: yes ... 100% ... this is the plan:
[11:21] <pygi> RichEd: I surely hope so
[11:21] <pygi> RichEd: folks before told the same =) And they've gotten nowhere :)
[11:21] <RichEd> willvdl will become responsible for Documentation Manager = coordinator
[11:21] <RichEd> he is an employee ... so he will *have to* make the time
[11:21] <RichEd> he will makr sure that;
[11:22] <pygi> whatever you say
[11:22] <RichEd> *make sure
[11:22] <RichEd> 1. there is a process for all documentation requirements
[11:22] <RichEd> = he is getting this from hedgemage and nixternal
[11:22] <pips1> and pygi ;-)
[11:22] <RichEd> pygi ++
[11:23] <pygi> pips1: ignore me pls :P
[11:23] <RichEd> 2. that web docs match wiki docs and printed brochures etc.
[11:23] <pips1> pygi: no way :-P
[11:23] <RichEd> He is already working with Christina from above
[11:23] <LaserJock> RichEd: will willvdl be working with the Ubuntu Documentation Team?
[11:23] <pygi> pips1: o yes dude
[11:24] <RichEd> LaserJock: yes ... he will be the responsible PM ... so that does not mean he will do the work, but he will need to make sure it is done
[11:24] <RichEd> He will need to keep track and manage, and ensure there is a Plan and a Plan B
[11:25] <pygi> !!!
[11:26] <RichEd> Yes ... he is responsible for making sure it is done ... not making sure other people do it ... so he will need to roll up his sleeves as well
[11:26] <pips1> :)
[11:27] <RichEd> So he will bring structure that I think is needed. We have excellent contributors - like pygi ! - but the plan of action needs to be readily availabloe, and not in hard working people's heads only
[11:28] <RichEd> We are too big and complex for JIT (Just in Time) ... and it puts too much pressure on individuals.
[11:29] <RichEd> pygi: you are well appreciated ... we are disappointred FOR you, not IN you
[11:30] <RichEd> That's about all from me ... other questions or issues ?
[11:30] <RichEd> Anyone ?
[11:30] <pygi> RichEd: heh, we'll be lacking some serious stuff in feisty due to my absence :(
[11:30] <pygi> nop ^_^
[11:31] <ajmitch> pygi: don't let not being at MV be an obstacle
[11:31] <RichEd> pygi: we will hopefully have a way for you to be able to interact across the wire
[11:32] <ajmitch> there's no reason you can't write up & work on specs outside of MV time, like some of us are doing
[11:32] <nixternal> pygi: im not gonna make it physically either, but i will be on irc bugging htem every day ;)
[11:33] <RichEd> Note that the success of Edubuntu moving forwards will also be about adoption issues of Open Source in Education ... it is not just a technical "battle"
[11:34] <RichEd> So there will be a lot of room for people to help us help our users even after the desktop specs have been written down.
[11:35] <RichEd> --- well that's me done --- if I carry on, it will just become a ramble --- anything else ?
[11:35] <pips1> what's the timeline tomorrow for the release?
[11:35] <LaserJock> Edgy's done, link live Edubuntu!
[11:36] <LaserJock> *long
[11:36] <RichEd> pips1: I believe it is usually around 12:00 UTC
[11:36] <pips1> I meant: around what time do you expect the release announcement hit the wire?
[11:36] <pips1> ah
[11:37] <RichEd> answered ?
[11:37] <pips1> so those wiki pages and site updates should be ready by that time. ok
[11:37] <pips1> ideally :)
[11:38] <RichEd> ideally yes ... as long as we have the downloads page sorted ... it is fine ... that will be the link from the page that ubuntu is pushing
[11:38] <pips1> understood
[11:38] <LaserJock> also I don't know if I mentioned this before, but there is a newish "Education and Science" subforum on ubuntuforums.org
[11:39] <pips1> direct link?
[11:39] <LaserJock> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=169
[11:39] <RichEd> yes you did LaserJock ... but is sllipped past ... I must announce it on the ubuntu-education mail list
[11:39] <RichEd> it slipped <- my fingerz are slipping as well
[11:40] <LaserJock> it was supposed to be "Science Talk" but I think the forum admins wanted it to be more general
[11:40] <RichEd> going once ....
[11:41] <LaserJock> do it, do it! :-)
[11:41] <RichEd> going twice ....
[11:42] <RichEd> and on the third wave good night all !
[11:42] <RichEd> thanks all ...
[11:42] <pips1> LaserJock: nice action in that forum already...
[11:43] <pips1> thanks
[11:43] <pips1> good night all
[11:45] <RichEd> pips1 ... will be up and available early in the morning ... will look out for mails and pings from you
[11:45] <pips1> RichEd: I'll update the download links and add the note about LTS and Edgy options for sure
[11:46] <pips1> I'll ping you when that's done/ready
[11:46] <pips1> good night!
[11:47] <RichEd> thanks ... you too