[12:17] <RichEd> (and as you say, updates are taken care of ... as far as I remember, widows update only looks after MS stuff)
[12:17] <RichEd> ^^ http://www.kde-apps.org/
[12:17] <RichEd> http://www.gnome-look.org/
[12:17] <pips1> An example is the german publishing house heise.de
[12:17] <pips1> absolutely, windows updates only takes care of ms stuff
[12:18] <pips1> however, as I said, the "ms conditioned" users (i.e. the majority of users out there), don't think about it and won't immediately see any benefit
[12:18] <pips1> .. in the security updates
[12:19] <pips1> to them, security is equivalent to "a personal firewall plus an anti-virus software"
[12:20] <RichEd> So we must (1) make them think about it, and (2) swing enough developers to drop win freeware dev in favour of FOSS
[12:20] <pips1> re (2) good idea...
[12:21] <pips1> however, I think that al lot of applications that are in the freeware + shareware compartement are written by people with ms-only developer skills... visual basic... rather than c++
[12:22] <pips1> hehe
[12:22] <ogra> night RichEd
[12:22] <pips1> yeah, it's late
[12:22] <ogra> well, tomorrow is release ...
[12:22] <ogra> :D
[12:22] <pips1> oh ogra is still around to listen to my musings while his test rig is rattling along ;-)
[12:23] <RichEd> today is release :P = 00:23
[12:23] <ogra> heh, right
[12:23] <ogra> pips1: i still have the whole set of powerpc tests left ... 
[12:23] <pips1> oompf
[12:23] <ogra> the last i386 test is just running
[12:23] <RichEd> ogra: pips1 is going to check out web site updates ... and I will wrap up in the morning
[12:23] <ogra> and the DVDs if they ever finish to rsync
[12:24] <LaserJock> good night RichEd 
[12:24] <RichEd> so if you comment on any pages that need to change, please email both of us ...
[12:24] <ogra> i'll try to be around as early as i can ...
[12:24] <RichEd> and to you mister spectroscoper ... have a goodie
[12:25] <ogra> :)
[12:25] <pips1> if I were ogra, at this point, I'd be rather brain dead and too tired to focus on editing release notes.. 
[12:25] <LaserJock> hopefully by Feisty+1 I'll be Doctor Spectroscoper ;-)
[12:25] <ogra> :)
[12:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: if I'm lucky, I'll get to say that I knew you before you were *really* famous ;)
[12:26] <ogra> pips1: i have still some hours to go ... and just wait that my usual workstation is free again
[12:26] <LaserJock> ajmitch: lol, whatever
[12:27] <ogra> bah #ubuntu is below 1000 ppl again ...
[12:27] <pips1> !
[12:27] <LaserJock> shesh
[12:27] <ogra> 1075 was the highest i saw today
[12:27] <ajmitch> ogra: it'll get higher, don't worry
[12:28] <ogra> heh, yes, tomorrow we'll break the record again
[12:28] <ajmitch> maybe I should just ban *!*@*
[12:28] <ajmitch> ;)
[12:30] <pips1> ogra: If you aren't too tired, maybe it would be good to proof read the release notes though.. maybe during one of those "crawling progress bar" times :-)
[12:31] <ogra> yep, i'll fix them up ..
[12:31] <pips1> e.g. is printing on a local printer on thin clients really done?!
[12:31] <ogra> you have to config it manually, but yes, i print here onn an usb printer attached to a thin client
[12:32] <pips1> I thought that still needs more love... ahh. cool
[12:32] <ogra> it needs more love
[12:32] <ogra> a lot more
[12:32] <ogra> but it works
[12:37] <pips1> ok, I'd better go sleep now and get up early... 
[12:37] <pips1> trust you will have company from the american timezone folks.. :)
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> Hi gay!
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> pips1 is gay
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> LaserJock is gay too
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> neurogeek, what a gay guy!
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> gnomefreak isn't gay but likes to think he is
[12:43] <pips1> hello bot
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> Hi gay pips1
[12:43] <Cyorxamp> ukubuntu, wow a brit... a gay brit
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> crimsun is gay but I already said that
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ogra: you around?
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> ogra, yes he is gay
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> he must ban me
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> And don't just ban the IP or part of the host
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> Ban the entire ISP on all ubuntu channels
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> Because thats gay
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> Like the ban in #ubuntu 
[12:44] <Cyorxamp> Which is gay
[12:45] <Cyorxamp> ubotu is the most gay of them all
[12:45] <lucasvo> gay people *really* don't deserve that.
[12:45] <Cyorxamp> Don't I?
[12:45] <Cyorxamp> I do :P
[12:45] <Cyorxamp> Your gay as well, I can tell
[12:45] <neurogeek> wtf?
[12:45] <Cyorxamp> Fujitsu, your company stinks... and its gay
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> Hi neurogeek, thanks for waking up
[12:46] <gnomefreak> neurogeek: ignore him
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> I'm trying to get banned on all ubuntu channels forever so I don't come back
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> So your gay
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> Kamping_Kaiser is sooo gay
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> nalioth is the gayest of them all
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> But he isn't here
[12:46] <Cyorxamp> zul is gay
[12:47] <Cyorxamp> highvoltage is very very gay
[12:47] <Cyorxamp> keltorsori doesn't think he is gay,,,,, but is
[12:47] <lucasvo> a little more phantasy would be appreiated!
[12:47] <lucasvo> !language
[12:47] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:47] <Cyorxamp> ubotu stop being gay
[12:47] <lucasvo> !coc
[12:47] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[12:47] <Cyorxamp> coc?
[12:47] <Cyorxamp> like Gay Cock?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> lucasvo: ignore him
[12:47] <P3L|C4N0> uhmmm
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> Hi P3L|C4N0 if you can ban me
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> Because your gay
[12:48] <P3L|C4N0> xD
[12:48] <lucasvo> gnomefreak: he obviously breaks the coc and should be banned, even if he wants to
[12:48] <gnomefreak> hes a known troll that is banned around #ubuntu-*
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> Yup
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> Thats why I continue infact
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> Because its gay
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> However I can't be arsed to be an inventive... insitive... quizicle troll any more
[12:48] <Cyorxamp> Someone with a point
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> Just a crap troll
[12:49] <P3L|C4N0> Cyorxamp, bye
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> Who says your gay
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> Bye!
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> Again!
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> BAN!
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> BAN!
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> I need a BAN!
[12:49] <Cyorxamp> Jeez
[12:49] <pips1> phew
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Where will he pop up next, I wonder...
[12:50] <lucasvo> :)
[12:50] <lucasvo> xubuntu
[12:50] <lucasvo> edubuntu-es
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: devel channels is my guess
[12:50] <lucasvo> LP, bzr
[12:50] <gnomefreak> oh shoot ty
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Who knows.
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Ah!
[12:51] <Fujitsu> -devel.
[12:51] <LaserJock> -devel
[12:51] <pips1> heh
[12:52] <Fujitsu> What's +d?
[12:53] <pips1> wow, they really spruced up the firefox search add-on page
[12:53] <pips1> oops, sorry, posted to the wrong channel
[12:58] <pips1> -meeting
[01:54] <gnomefreak> hm
[01:54] <gnomefreak> i cant unop from here
[01:54] <pygi> cycle?
[01:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:55] <gnomefreak> ty forgot about that
[03:27] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:33] <freet15> Hi
[03:36] <bddebian> Hello
[05:11] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:11] <sbalneav> ogra: Still awake?
[05:11] <ogra> yep
[05:12] <ogra> just done ... 
[05:12] <sbalneav> Anything I can help with?
[05:12] <LaserJock> oh man
[05:12] <sbalneav> I installed edubuntu from the cd last night, everything worked.
[05:12] <ogra> not really, as i said, i'm done with testing so far ... the powerpc DVD iso hasnt seen any test yet
[05:13] <ogra> thats on my list for tomorrow
[05:13] <sbalneav> Get some sleep
[05:13] <ogra> apart from that the announcment is ready and i'll take 4-5h sleep now ...
[05:13] <sbalneav> \o/ for ogra!
[05:13] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/Current :)
[05:13] <ogra> nearly complete ...
[05:14] <ogra> one release i'll manage to get all fields filled :)
[05:14] <ogra> night all
[05:16] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:43] <pips1> hullo
[08:45] <kihai> Hi y'all! Anybody has a link to Edubuntu 6.10 Final yet?
[08:47] <nixternal> in a few more hours
[08:47] <nixternal> at least
[09:06] <kihai> I'm downing ubunut 6.10 right now, but haven't found a link to edubuntu
[09:07] <bimberi> kihai: Neither have been officially released yet
[09:09] <kihai> *sigh* It's like christmas...
[09:10] <bimberi> Yes, no presents for you until you finish your dinner :)
[09:12] <kihai> ahem, just finished breakfast. I'm in Nuremberg... :)
[09:13] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: good morning
[09:13] <edubuntugirl> good morning, highvoltage!
[09:14] <highvoltage> kind of.
[09:14] <bimberi> :)
[09:15] <RichEd> morning highvoltage, bimberi, kihai 
[09:15] <bimberi> hi RichEd!
[09:15] <RichEd> :)
[09:16] <highvoltage> morning RichEd and willvdl!
[09:16] <RichEd> hello willvdl 
[09:16] <highvoltage> (we're doing the conf call thing again ;) )
[09:16] <highvoltage> exciting day.
[09:16] <willvdl> morning
[09:16] <highvoltage> it's like Edubuntu's 1 year birthday
[09:17] <bimberi> ooh yes, so it is
[09:17] <highvoltage> (technically it was 13 days ago..., but who's keeping track...)
[09:20] <willvdl> why, you using a lunar calender? :P
[09:20] <highvoltage> not really, but I did strongly consider taking Eid off :)
[09:30] <cbx33> good mornin all
[09:31] <cbx33> we were talking about Ekiga the yesterday
[09:31] <cbx33> I'm just taking a look now.....do I want to sign up for a free SIP account at ekiga
[09:31] <cbx33> or are we doing this another way?
[09:40] <willvdl> ping nixternal
[09:42] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[09:44] <kihai> Ahem, just a short question: How do I get rid of nfs-mounted folders showing up on all the ltsp clients' desktops although the folder is rwx------ and owns to root. Sth to do with nautilus settings? And how do I change this?
[09:44] <kihai> ...belongs to root...
[09:45] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[09:46] <highvoltage> kihai: hmmm.. that doesn't sound right
[09:46] <highvoltage> kihai: I suggest you file it as a bug, even if you do find a workaround
[09:47] <cbx33> kihai, is this logging in as an admin user
[09:47] <cbx33> or a non-priv user?
[09:48] <nixternal> willvdl: pong
[09:48] <kihai> Had this problem previously with usb-sticks, but somehow I could get rid of it, although I don't know how I did it... If users try to open the folder, it says they're not allowed to view the contents, but the folder is still there
[09:48] <kihai> non-priv users can see it...
[09:49] <kihai> I just thought there must be a key in the gnome-config-editor, if I could only find it
[10:30] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[10:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: you can use edubuntugirl too
[10:32] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell ogra cbx33 is looking for you
[10:32] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[10:32] <highvoltage> hmm... I should've demonstrated with you instead
[10:32] <cbx33> how does that work?
[10:32] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 hey, please give me a ping
[10:32] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[10:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: say something
[10:32] <cbx33> hmm...
[10:32] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'hey, please give me a ping' 9 seconds ago (on Thu Oct 26 10:32:09 2006)
[10:32] <cbx33> wow
[10:32] <cbx33> she's clever isn't she
[10:33] <highvoltage> that way ogra won't have to scroll up, and you know he'll get your message as soon as he's online
[10:33] <cbx33> nice....I like it
[10:33] <cbx33> does it queue messages?
[10:33] <highvoltage> yep
[10:33] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: seen ogra
[10:33] <edubuntugirl> ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 11 hours, 19 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: bbl [Wed Oct 25 23:14:13 2006] 
[10:33] <cbx33> excellent
[10:34] <highvoltage> her seen function is also very nice
[10:34] <cbx33> very very nice
[10:34] <cbx33> are we allowed to change specs after the deadline?
[10:34] <highvoltage> I think the deadline implies that the spec should be complete and reviewed
[10:35] <highvoltage> but they usually change plenty after the deadline
[10:35] <cbx33> I had some ideas to add to my spec for SCP
[10:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: I don't think that would be a problem, worst case scenario is that some of it might be declined by the reviewers (they'll comment)
[10:44] <pips1> hi guys
[10:46] <willvdl> highvoltage, so edubuntugirl will only drop you the "ping" if you say something?
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> willvdl: by the way, willvdl told me to tell you 'Will's the epitome of manhood' 1 minutes and 11 seconds ago (on Thu Oct 26 10:44:53 2006)
[10:46] <pips1> just to let you know, I'm going to change a setting in Drupal, so that changes aren't immediately visible, but I can update the content "behind the scenes" and then publish it, as soon as we are ready
[10:46] <willvdl> :) oh yeah
[10:47] <willvdl> pips1, meaning saving to draft before publishing?
[10:49] <pips1> changes, or new pages will first go to the publishing queue in the cms, rather than be public straight away
[10:50] <willvdl> I remember drupal having rather a nice platform for moderation/proofing. A node could get published after it reaches a certain moderation threshold. Different moderators would have different moderation weightings
[10:53] <highvoltage> willvdl: yes, she'll only drop it to you when you say something
[10:54] <pips1> willvdl: correct
[10:54] <willvdl> pips1, never used it myself but I kinda liked the idea
[10:54] <highvoltage> willvdl: where's your drupal site these days?
[10:54] <highvoltage> can't find it at eish.
[10:56] <willvdl> dropped it ages ago. now using wordpress
[10:56] <willvdl> but actually want to go back to drupal
[10:56] <highvoltage> willvdl: where is it?
[10:57] <willvdl> eish.net?
[10:57] <highvoltage> aaah, I was looking at .co.za
[11:26] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: announce *test* has been released
[11:26] <highvoltage> hmm.. :/
[11:26] <cbx33> HAHAHA
[11:26] <cbx33> Hi edubuntugirl 
[11:26] <edubuntugirl> salut, cbx33!
[11:26] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: announce *test*
[11:26] <edubuntugirl> Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from highvoltage!  '*test*'!
[11:27] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: announce *test*
[11:27] <edubuntugirl> Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from highvoltage!  '*test*'!
[11:27] <highvoltage> egh. now she doesn't want to do that other one.
[11:27] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: announce hello!
[11:27] <edubuntugirl> Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from highvoltage!  'hello'!
[11:27] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, announce Yahooo
[11:27] <edubuntugirl> Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from cbx33!  'Yahooo'!
[11:27] <highvoltage> weird.
[11:27] <cbx33> indeed
[11:28] <highvoltage> she can be a real little...
[11:28] <highvoltage> well, something not #edubuntu friendly sometimes
[11:28] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: announce *boo* is not released
[11:28] <edubuntugirl> Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from highvoltage!  '*boo* is not released'!
[11:28] <highvoltage> very strange.
[11:28] <willvdl> highvoltage, can she have a time delay on the announcement?
[11:28] <cbx33> willvdl, good idea
[11:28] <highvoltage> willvdl: not yet. it's a planned feature though.
[11:29] <highvoltage> we'll get that in december :)
[11:29] <cbx33> like announce 10 Tiem for meeting
[11:29] <cbx33> ;)
[11:30] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose 1 or 2
[11:30] <edubuntugirl> I choose 2, highvoltage
[11:30] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: divine will something happen?
[11:30] <edubuntugirl> It says 'You May Rely On It', highvoltage
[11:32] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: annouce edubuntugirl: announce edubuntugirl is in a loop
[11:32] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: okay
[11:32] <highvoltage> hehe
[11:32] <highvoltage> she's too clever for that it seems :)
[11:32] <ogra> RichEd, are you fine with the announcement ?
[11:32] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'cbx33 is looking for you' 1 hours, 35 seconds ago (on Thu Oct 26 10:31:45 2006)
[11:33] <RichEd> looks fine ogra ... will do a last check ... any idea when the official ubuntu annoncement will happen ?
[11:33] <ogra> nope
[11:33] <ogra> we just found a bug on the edubuntu i386 DVD :(
[11:34] <pips1> make sure you give me a heads-up before that announcement goes out! I need to update a couple of pages still
[11:34] <RichEd> a serious one ? ... 'cause needing to re-download a DVD size file will make some people pretty annoyed I guess
[11:34] <highvoltage> eek
[11:35] <ogra> RichEd, yes, a serious one
[11:35] <highvoltage> what's wrong, ogra?
[11:35] <ogra> th einstalled kernel is different from the running one, that makes packages that load modules in their postinst fail
[11:36] <RichEd> pips1: I'll give you as much warning as I can ... once Ubuntu goes out, we can update "back end pages" and then only do our front page change when you are happy.
[11:36] <highvoltage> geez. that's a weird bug.
[11:36] <highvoltage> (since I thought that the cd only usually comes with one kernel)
[11:37] <ogra> it does
[11:37] <ogra> but the DVD has all kernels and selectes the best one for you
[11:37] <ogra> but indeed it can only boot one 
[11:37] <spacey> hmm was it possibly to use the rdesktop client (like in ltsp.org) from the ubuntu thinclient chroot?
[11:38] <ogra> spacey, not yet, its planned for feisty ... but i have a brz repo somewhere with a working implementation
[11:38] <ogra> *bzr
[11:38] <spacey> ok :)
[11:38] <ogra> do you need it urgently ?
[11:38] <highvoltage> I think that upstream upstream has a patch for that?
[11:38] <spacey> ogra: its easy to hack in? :)
[11:39] <ogra> upstream upstream ?
[11:39] <highvoltage> ogra: well, since upstream is the same as ubutnu ltsp.org
[11:39] <ogra> spacey, its a screen script in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/
[11:39] <highvoltage> ogra: I thought you mentioned that someone had a patch for rdp at the ltsp hackfest
[11:39] <spacey> where we run ltsp.org with win2003 we have some soundproblems. And we suspect the ltsp kernel/userland just sucks
[11:39] <highvoltage> (perhaps I'm mistaken)
[11:40] <ogra> you may probably even be able to use the ltsp.org one, i didnt try
[11:40] <spacey> ogra: ok cool :)
[11:40] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, but it was too big to enter after feature freeze
[11:40] <spacey> i'll look into it
[11:40] <highvoltage> ogra: I understand, I thought that perhaps spacey can look into it and try to implement it himself, if it's urgent
[11:40] <ogra> Gadi rewrote the complete set of screen scripts for us
[11:41] <ogra> i'll merge his tree directly after feisty opens
[11:41] <spacey> highvoltage: shouldn't be to difficult i think. 
[11:41] <spacey> ogra: is his tree already available somewhere at the moment?
[11:43] <spacey> we have some thinclients with a particular soundcard which make the sound play like its on helium :P
[11:44] <spacey> with rdesktop
[11:44] <ogra> http://www.symbio-technologies.com/bzr/gadi-ltsp-main
[11:45] <ogra> not sure how far the sopund support is done in his scripts
[11:45] <ogra> work together with us ;)
[11:45] <ogra> why else do you think he has a bzr tree with our code ;)
[11:46] <highvoltage> good news indeed.
[11:46] <highvoltage> they should also do some s-c-p work :)
[11:47] <highvoltage> the symbiont and s-c-p seems to share some core functionality, don't they
[11:47] <highvoltage> o shit, I'm keeping ogra out of work
[11:47] <spacey> i think sound support is not really related with the scripts but with the rdesktop version or the sound driver in the kernel
[11:49] <pips1> highvoltage: I'm working on the website, we need two large tables with mirror download links.. question: should I have both all links for both LTS and Edgy on one page?
[11:49] <pips1> what do you think?
[11:49] <highvoltage> pips1: perhaps have one page that explains Dapper and LTS, and another one that explains edgy and it's cutting-edgeness
[11:49] <spacey> ogra: that link is empty?
[11:49] <highvoltage> pips1: and from there have two links to the different download tables
[11:50] <pips1> hmm
[11:50] <highvoltage> pips1: might be better from a usability perspective to do it that way, I think. but it's up to you :)
[11:50] <highvoltage> pips1: xubuntu has done something different... just a sec..
[11:50] <ogra> spacey, its a bzr repo, check it out with bzr
[11:50] <highvoltage> no, they changed it back again.
[11:50] <spacey> ok :P
[11:51] <highvoltage> they had the releases listed in the menu, and if you click on the menu item it would show you the download locations
[11:51] <highvoltage> like.. Navigation -> Downloads -> Dapper / Edgy
[11:52] <pips1> question: who is directly linking to our current download page right now though? We don't want to break any exisiting links. nor do we want to introduce an additional click if it can be avoided. Ok, I'll find a solution.
[11:53] <pips1> 17 linking to www.edubuntu.org/Download
[11:54] <pips1> ah that not that much
[11:55] <pips1> highvoltage: do you know how ubuntu.com will handle this? i.e. will they have two separate download pages for LTS and Edgy?
[11:56] <highvoltage> pips1: last time they just changed it.
[11:56] <pips1> highvoltage: what's the nick of Matt N. again? I might as well just ask him
[11:56] <pips1> news.. something?
[11:57] <highvoltage> newz2000
[11:57] <pips1> cu
[11:57] <pips1> !seen newz2000
[11:57] <ubotu> newz2000 is on IRC right now!
[11:58] <pips1> well, yes, but what channel? ubotu?
[11:58] <pips1> ack
[11:58] <RichEd> pips1: join me in #ubuntu-matt
[11:58] <RichEd> pips1: that's where he hangs out for non canonical people to find him
[12:05] <RichEd> ogra: are you happy that we have the download pages as follows:
[12:06] <RichEd> www.edubuntu.org/Download => latest 6.10 file links & explaination that LTS is still available with a link to:
[12:07] <RichEd> www.edubuntu.org/DownloadLTS => 6.06 file links
[12:07] <RichEd> ???
[12:08] <ogra> RichEd, sounds fine
[12:08] <pips1> ok, i'll do it
[12:08] <ogra> we have a release btw for anyone interested :)
[12:08] <RichEd> thanks both
[12:11] <juliux> cool
[12:11] <juliux> ogra, should i support the desktop edubuntu image or the alternatve one?
[12:11] <ogra> alternate
[12:12] <ogra> desktop has only the desktop ...
[12:12] <juliux> ok
[12:12] <ogra> install (we dont call it alternate) has all the cool stuff :P
[12:12] <ogra> btw the feisty CDs will be called server and desktop :)
[12:13] <juliux> ogra, ok
[12:13] <juliux> i will share the install one
[12:15] <highvoltage> ogra: and CD2? :p
[12:15] <ogra> server 2 ?
[12:15] <ogra> or server add on ?
[12:15] <ogra> dunno
[12:16] <highvoltage> ok
[12:16] <ogra> i'm open for suggestions :)
[12:16] <juliux> hm i get no connect to the bittorrent tracker
[12:17] <ogra> its just mirroring
[12:17] <ogra> give it some time :)
[12:21] <juliux> ok
[12:29] <pips1> ack, ack, ack
[12:29] <pips1> what is all that javascript in the mirror download html that matt sent
[12:29] <pips1> ?!
[12:30] <RichEd> pips that is for fancy formatting ... no need for that now !
[12:30] <RichEd> pips1: I suggest you just doa text search replace on 6.06 for 6.10
[12:31] <RichEd> pips1: and I hope you kept a copy of the old downloadpage ... that can be moved more or less intact to DownloadLTS ?
[12:31] <pips1> sure
[01:00] <juliux> hmpf now is the tracker again broken
[01:20] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: announce willvdl has entered the room!
[01:21] <edubuntugirl> Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from highvoltage!  'willvdl has entered the room'!
[01:21] <highvoltage> that's very strange. she only does the one kind of announcement now :-/
[01:21] <willvdl> taran-taraaah
[01:22] <willvdl> how do you get help on what she can do?
[01:23] <highvoltage> hmmm... I suppose we need an edbuntugirl wiki page for that
[01:23] <highvoltage> or...
[01:23] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: lsmod
[01:23] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Module list: Strip Auth Hate Ignore Modules Perl Rehash Irc SQLSeen Kernel Rot13 ITime UKChart GoogleCmp StonerName RFC Urban DiscDate BZFlag RoShamBo Timer NickOMeter Greet Google Lotto Insult FileFactoid Swear Ping Fortune Exchange Announce RWAR EtherCode GoogleCalc Divine Dvorak Slashdot Units Logs TraceRoute Say BashOrg MemoFor HowFar Babel NMBLookup Jwhois Morse LastFM Crypt SQLFactoid SQLFactoidupdate SQLFactoidforget SQLFactoidsea
[01:23] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: help Irc
[01:23] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: *blink*
[01:24] <highvoltage> hmmm...
[01:24] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google clug wiki spinach
[01:24] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Google found 'CLUG Wiki - Spinach', at http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Spinach
[01:24] <highvoltage> willvdl: there's a list on her functions there ^^^^
[01:24] <highvoltage> Spinach is her father.
[01:25] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: modinfo Rot13
[01:25] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Rot13: Does a rot13 on the input.  Usage: "rot13 <text>".
[01:25] <RichEd> brb - reboot
[01:29] <highvoltage> Hi JonathanFerguson 
[01:29] <JonathanFerguson> Hi
[01:29] <highvoltage> I like your name.
[01:29] <JonathanFerguson> Ha, I don't have a nickname
[01:30] <highvoltage> that's ok. some people call me highvoltage in real life these days.
[01:30] <highvoltage> often I respond quicker to highvoltage than to 'jonathan' :)
[01:30] <highvoltage> willvdl: did you get my last message?
[01:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: quite effective indeed.
[01:32] <willvdl> yes
[01:32] <willvdl> damn 3g card overheats in JHB :)
[01:32] <willvdl> spinasie?
[01:33] <highvoltage> yep
[01:35] <willvdl> does she have factoids loaded?
[01:36] <pips1> RichEd: ping
[01:36] <RichEd> pong pips1 
[01:36] <pips1> RichEd: please re-join #ubuntu-matt
[01:38] <willvdl> highvoltage, not quite a complete list. are there module pages anywhere?
[01:42] <ogra> pips1, RichEd, the gettingstarted link in /downloads talks about 6.10 LTS .... the LTS doesnt belong there
[01:42] <RichEd> okay ogra will check it out
[01:43] <ogra> hmm
[01:43] <ogra> we should probably keep it as gettingstarted/6.06
[01:43] <ogra> since dapper is still supported and shipped
[01:43] <ogra> edgy should ge new install instructions
[01:44] <ogra> *get
[01:44] <ogra> so rather change it back to 6.06 LTS ...
[01:44] <ogra> and we'll add a new page for edgy 
[01:45] <pips1> ogra: brb
[01:46] <RichEd> ogra: okay ... I'm working through the page with pips1 ... we'll sort that out
[01:46] <ogra> ok
[01:46] <pips1> RichEd: we might as well discuss it here, then ogra will know what we are discussing, right?
[01:47] <pips1> since matt isn't around anyway...
[01:47] <RichEd> sure ...
[01:49] <pips1> you haven't answered my question yet.
[01:49] <pips1> should we have all mirror download links on one page, instead of doing a separate DownloadLTS page?
[01:50] <RichEd> pips1: let's get the functionality right for the 2 options pointing to:
[01:50] <RichEd> Download Edubuntu 6.10
[01:50] <RichEd> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/
[01:51] <RichEd> and:
[01:51] <RichEd> Download Edubuntu 6.06
[01:51] <RichEd> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/
[01:51] <pips1> note, that the Download page will get *very long*, since we (currently) aren't using Javascript like ubuntu.com to nicely collapse the mirror listings into countries and region categories...
[01:51] <pips1> RichEd: ok
[01:51] <RichEd> ^^  get this right first, and then we can add the mirrors.
[01:51] <pips1> got it
[01:53] <jsgotangco> happy release day!!!
[01:53] <RichEd> hey jsgotangco !
[01:53] <jsgotangco> woohooo
[01:54] <RichEd> pips1: this text should say 6.06
[01:54] <RichEd> Please note that the current version of the Getting Started page applies to the Edubuntu 6.10 LTS release.
[01:54] <RichEd> The linked page refers to 6.06 ... so just the text needs to revert
[01:54] <ogra> no
[01:54] <jsgotangco> ogra: 694MB iso not bad
[01:54] <ogra> edgy needs a new one
[01:55] <ogra> as i said before 
[01:55] <ogra> the instructions are tied to dapper ...
[01:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, yeah :)
[01:55] <ogra> and we even have a bunch of langpacks on the CD this time :)
[01:55] <jsgotangco> man the torrents are burning up
[01:58] <pips1> ogra: I understand what you mean. however, before the Edgy-Getting-Started page is done, we will simply have a note saying that the current public one applies to LTS
[01:58] <ogra> right
[01:59] <pips1> RichEd: check the Download page now and let me know if this is what you suggested
[01:59] <RichEd> doing ...
[02:00] <RichEd> looks good minor changes recommended:
[02:01] <RichEd> 1. add a blank line between bulet points
[02:01] <pips1> ah, I forgot that, will do
[02:01] <RichEd> 2. make these a : and not a ,
[02:01] <RichEd> = Edubuntu 6.10, the Newest Edubuntu Release
[02:01] <RichEd> = Edubuntu 6.06, Edubuntu with Long Term Support
[02:03] <pips1> done
[02:03] <RichEd> And this paragraph [How to install Edubuntu]  needs a correction = the Edubuntu 6.10 LTS release should say the Edubuntu 6.06 release
[02:03] <ogra> yeah
[02:03] <RichEd> I would suggest re wording * formatting as follows:
[02:03] <RichEd> Installation instructions can be found on the Getting Started page.
[02:04] <RichEd> {new paragraph}
[02:05] <RichEd> The current version of the Getting Started page has Edubuntu 6.06 screenshots and some additional information that applies specificaly to the Edubuntu 6.06 release install.
[02:05] <RichEd> specifically
[02:05] <RichEd> {new paragraph}
[02:07] <RichEd> The installation for the latest 6.10 release has been simplified, so you will just need to skip several of the outlined steps. We will be providing an updated page here soon.
[02:07] <pips1> yes, update done
[02:08] <ogra> i'd keep it in two distinct pages 
[02:08] <ogra> and just say that the edgy notes arent done yet
[02:08] <ogra> users wont know *which* steps exactly they need to skip
[02:08] <jsgotangco> hmm do we have cd artwork already?
[02:08] <ogra> and the dapper page is written for a single network card setup
[02:09] <RichEd> agreed ogra ... we'll get a Edgy getting started page, and then add a separate link for each.
[02:09] <ogra> while edgy defaults to a two NIC one and behaves very differently in the installer
[02:09] <ogra> right
[02:09] <pips1> ok, I'll drop that sentence about "simply skipping steps"
[02:09] <ogra> but just saying in general "skip some steps there" wont help the user
[02:09] <pips1> since they need to be aware about 2 NIC issue etc
[02:09] <ogra> right
[02:11] <RichEd> Well pips1 I think my wording is okay for the iterim ... it does not say simply ... perhaps add in a comment about joining #edubuntu for assistance of they get stuck before we have the new page ?
[02:11] <RichEd> if they get stuck ?
[02:11] <ogra> what about the mirror list ? the page should at least have five or six 
[02:11] <ogra> else we'll make the main server explode if the announcement is snet
[02:11] <ogra> *sent
[02:11] <jsgotangco> hi?
[02:12] <RichEd> newz2000 is updating the mirror list ... it is shorter for a while until the propogation takes place
[02:12] <pips1> ogra: when I last checked the first 5-10 mirror sites, I saw that the ISO files haven't propagated to them yet?
[02:12] <RichEd> we're getting the current pages accurate and working ... and will then expand to mirrors when is okay
[02:12] <ogra> i dont mind how short it is, we always have a list of the big three or fixe in the announcement
[02:12] <ogra> this time we point to the downloads page so it should have that list at least
[02:13] <RichEd> pips1: see comment ^^^ matt nuzum is about to give us a list of mirros that are ready
[02:13] <jsgotangco> need help?
[02:13] <ogra> s/fixe/five/
[02:13] <RichEd> ogra: I'm keeping an eye on #canonical & email for the info from him
[02:13] <ogra> pips1, they should be on the mirrors that are listed in the ubuntu announcement
[02:13] <pips1> RichEd: I would appreciate a simple list though, whithout all that javascript and ubuntu.com-specific css...
[02:13] <RichEd> pips ... so noted :)
[02:14] <ogra> please put at least this list in place if we send the announcement before having the page ready
[02:14] <RichEd> ogra: how do you suggest we update : http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted ?
[02:14] <RichEd> can you give jsgotangco the text changes, and he can make it look pretty ?
[02:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, would you like doing an edgy-gettingstarted ?
[02:15] <pips1> I was hoping that highvoltage could update that... but he might be too busy
[02:15] <jsgotangco> well sure, but to be honest i lack one more machine here to do an effective getting started
[02:15] <jsgotangco> i havent even tried the 2 NIC thing
[02:15] <ogra> its merely pointing out the two NIC thing, taking the screenshots from the old dapper page and dropping most of them :)
[02:16] <pips1> what can be used to make screenshots from usplash and gdm...?
[02:16] <ogra> i.e. the whole IP configuration stuff can go
[02:16] <ogra> qemu
[02:16] <jsgotangco> let me see
[02:16] <ogra> and all the "edit after install" stuff as well
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ok let me grab some quick dinner first and i'll sit on it in half an hour if its ok
[02:18] <ogra> from "Edubuntu installer will now detect your hardware, and then prompt you for an I.P. (Internet Protocol) address." to "Next, enter your proxy server address." everything can go
[02:18] <ogra> the minimal reqs for thin clients changed to 32M ...
[02:19] <RichEd> ogra: I won't send out the Edubuntu release until we have this from matt:
[02:19] <ogra> we dont force PXE anymore
 RichEd: I've got one ready without links to direct ISOs. Do you want that or do you want to wait for the one with the iso links?
[02:19] <ogra> RichEd, ugh
[02:19] <pips1> jsgotangco: please note that I changed Drupal, so when you create the new Edgy-Getting-Started page, it won't be public straight away, but in the "moderation queue" first, until I or highvoltage publish it...
[02:19] <ogra> how should that work ? 
[02:19] <ogra> if you link every single iso thats a heavily long list
[02:20] <ogra> and totally unnecessary
[02:20] <ogra> but well ... 
[02:20] <pips1> ogra: Matt is using clever javascript to collapse the huge long list, afaik
[02:20] <ogra> fine for him :P
[02:21] <pips1> yeah, but note for us.. I prefer simple html, for quick last minute stuff, anyhow ;-=
[02:21] <pips1> *not
[02:21] <ogra> right
[02:22] <RichEd> I've got a simple list ... wil mail to you now pips1 : it's not too long
[02:22] <pips1> ok, great
[02:22] <ogra> imho the list from the release announcement totally suffices ...
[02:22] <ogra> but well :)
[02:27] <highvoltage> pips1: hi, I'm in and out atm, what did you hope that I would update?
[02:27] <highvoltage> RichEd said that you had everything under control.
[02:27] <RichEd> highvoltage: it was the getting started page ... but jsgotangco and ogra should be able to manage that
[02:28] <highvoltage> ok
[02:28] <RichEd> highvoltage: if you some time you could (trivially) update the release news
[02:29] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, let me know
[02:30] <RichEd> give me 1 min 
[02:30] <pips1> RichEd: I'm still waiting for you email, it hasn't arrived so far. In the mean time, maybe I can add those links from the release announcement ogra mentioned... where do I find that? (post the url in a private message perhaps)?
[02:31] <RichEd> pips1: it will be with you in 1 min
[02:31] <willvdl> higvoltage, the tuxlabs infrastructure/security specs are now being used at the HPX schools
[02:31] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-October/000093.html
[02:31] <pips1> hehe
[02:33] <RichEd> mail on its way : here's the link page to check it out:
[02:33] <RichEd> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download#currentrelease
[02:33] <RichEd> highvoltage: you can take this page
[02:33] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/6
[02:33] <RichEd> copy to a new page ...
[02:35] <RichEd> and update using:
[02:35] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyAnnouncementEdubuntu
[02:35] <RichEd> pips1: got the list ?
[02:35] <pips1> got it, working on it
[02:36] <highvoltage> pips1: are you working on it? (what RichEd just described above?) I'm busy doing it too, but am fine with you doing it
[02:36] <RichEd> highvoltage: pips is working on the download page
[02:36] <highvoltage> ok
[02:37] <RichEd> you are snappy with our news, which is why I asked you for that help
[02:37] <RichEd> snappy = efficient, not grumpy
[02:37] <RichEd> :)
[02:37] <highvoltage> I admit I can be both at times.
[02:38] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[02:38] <RichEd> efficiently grumpy and/or grumpily efficient
[02:39] <highvoltage> RichEd: depends on the situation
[02:40] <jsgotangco> how do i create something when i can't even edit the other pages i made before?
[02:41] <highvoltage> pips1 should be able to tell you, he set up new permissions
[02:41] <highvoltage> RichEd: I can't access the Ubuntu wiki, it seems to be under high load
[02:41] <highvoltage> RichEd: do you have another copy of that release announcement?
[02:41] <highvoltage> ah, hold on... seems like it's opening now...
[02:46] <pips1> hey jsgotangco
[02:46] <pips1> I'll give you more rights, hang on a sec
[02:48] <pips1> jsgotangco: there you go, you grumpy old man ;-)
[02:48] <pips1> just kiddin
[02:49] <jsgotangco> well its not like im the type of person that is bound to trash a whole cms
[02:49] <jsgotangco> :P
[02:50] <highvoltage> pips1: jsgotangco had full access rights for more than a year, he can be trusted :)
[02:51] <pips1> sure
[02:51] <pips1> ok, I got those mirror links for edgy onto the page, now I'll do the same for LTS
[02:52] <pips1> wow, everything is under high load indeed
[02:56] <RichEd> Just like debbie in dallas - when you are popular, you are popular ;)
[03:04] <highvoltage> ok, most of the release announcement has been transfered and html'ised
[03:05] <highvoltage> RichEd: can you access... http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8 ?
[03:06] <RichEd> testing
[03:08] <RichEd> highvoltage: loads fine and looks great ... one minor format wobble:
[03:08] <RichEd> Edubuntu users:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
[03:08] <RichEd> Edubuntu contibutors:
[03:08] <RichEd> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[03:08] <RichEd> please line break both or neither 
[03:08] <RichEd> thanks
[03:09] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok thanks, I just saved after the first edit so there would be small problems like that :)
[03:09] <highvoltage> RichEd: just wanted to test if you could access it or not
[03:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: watch it, I'll let edubuntugirl take care of you ;)
[03:10] <highvoltage> (she knows kung fu)
[03:10] <RichEd> Is she Open Sauce ?
[03:11] <jsgotangco> nice open sauce
[03:11] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: know kung fu ?
[03:11] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: huh?
[03:12] <highvoltage> RichEd: yep
[03:12] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: smack ubotu 
[03:12] <edubuntugirl> *anger* *rage*
[03:12] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: smack ubotu 
[03:12] <edubuntugirl> I'm not a violent bot
[03:12] <highvoltage> FINE
[03:12] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: announce please no shouting even if you are snappy
[03:13] <highvoltage> erm...
[03:13] <highvoltage> I don't think she understood :)
[03:13] <willvdl> edubuntugirl: what is snappy?
[03:13] <edubuntugirl> willvdl: sorry...
[03:14] <willvdl> edubuntugirl: what is snappy?
[03:14] <edubuntugirl> snappy is highvoltage
[03:14] <willvdl> better :)
[03:15] <pips1> hehe
[03:15] <highvoltage> heh
[03:16] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: define snappy
[03:16] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I'm not following you...
[03:16] <highvoltage> hmmm.. will need to install that module
[03:17] <highvoltage> as far as I can tell http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8 looks kind of decent, can everyone who's willing please give it a proof-read?
[03:19] <mkara> hi all. I cant install Edubuntu on my pc. It locks up after the message "booting kernel"
[03:20] <highvoltage> mkara: what kind of computer do you have?
[03:20] <ogra> what kind of PC is that ?
[03:20] <highvoltage> mkara: and for what architecture is your CD?
[03:20] <highvoltage> ogra: snap
[03:20] <ogra> :)
[03:21] <mkara> I have x86 Edubuntu Dapper cd. I am trying to install it on an intel celeron system
[03:21] <pips1> highvoltage: please remove an unnecessary line break here "working XXX thin client environment, including sound and thin client block device support."
[03:22] <highvoltage> mkara: that is very unusual, did you do a disc check on the CD to make sure that it's fine?
[03:22] <highvoltage> pips1: ah, thanks for spotting that, it comes from copy and pasting from the wiki
[03:22] <mkara> I tried but it locked up again.
[03:24] <highvoltage> mkara: is this a 6.06 cd? have you tried another Ubuntu CD and see what happend?
[03:24] <pips1> also, there should be a line break after "Student Control Panel", or add a colon, at least
[03:24] <highvoltage> pips1: line breaks removed
[03:24] <RichEd> highvoltage: unecessary line breaks in my firefox
[03:24] <RichEd> available
[03:24] <RichEd> with
[03:24] <RichEd> --
[03:24] <RichEd> longer
[03:24] <RichEd> support
[03:24] <RichEd> --
[03:24] <highvoltage> -- it is then
[03:25] <highvoltage> RichEd: refresh
[03:25] <mkara> Yes, this is a 6.06 cd which came via shipit. I tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu and got no errors. But when I try the Edubuntu cd, my computer locks up after the message "booting kernel"
[03:25] <RichEd> just did still there
[03:25] <RichEd> as well as:
[03:25] <RichEd> LTSP-5
[03:25] <RichEd> (Linux Terminal Server Project)
[03:25] <pips1> yes, I can confirm  that
[03:26] <highvoltage> oh I think I see them now
[03:26] <pips1> in fact, I think almost all paragraphs have unnecessary line breaks...
[03:26] <pips1> if you have a wide browser window, you'll see
[03:26] <RichEd> highvoltage: and the whole [under the hood]  is early CR LF
[03:26] <highvoltage> it's easier to spot in firefox than the editor
[03:26] <highvoltage> give me aminute...
[03:27] <pips1> RichEd: I think he's on the ball :-)
[03:27] <mkara> highvoltage: Yes, this is a 6.06 cd which came via shipit. I tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu and got no errors. But when I try the Edubuntu cd, my computer locks up after the message "booting kernel"
[03:30] <pips1> mkara: have you tried the "test cd" option from the initial menu yet?
[03:30] <highvoltage> mkara: it's very strange, since at that point ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu has the same booting mechanism, kernel, everything. there has been rare reports of faulty CD's. If you can confirm that the CD is faulty, it would be appreciated if you could send it back to Canonical for quality control
[03:31] <highvoltage> mkara: could you try that CD on another PC perhaps?
[03:32] <mkara> highvoltage: yes, I can try on another pc in a few days
[03:32] <pips1> highvoltage: all the first paragraphs are looking good now. The last paragraphs below "Under the hood" need some more love 
[03:32] <highvoltage> mkara: in the meantime, you could see if you can access the cd while booted into your current operating system
[03:33] <highvoltage> mkara: there's also advanced boot options from the help menu in the boot screen, you could investigate that, but I doubt it would help
[03:34] <mkara> highvoltage: I will inspect the cd while I am logged into WinXP and try to install on another pc. Then I will come back with the results.
[03:34] <highvoltage> mkara: thank you
[03:36] <highvoltage> RichEd: you mentioned ubuntu forums but didn't provide a link, so I added it
[03:36] <highvoltage> ready for more proofreading: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8
[03:38] <ogra> highvoltage, looks good
[03:39] <pips1> mkara: when you boot the edubuntu cd, you should get a first menu screen with options, like install to disk, etc. Did you get to that screen at all? If so, you can choose the option "test cd", which runs a test to see if the cd is good...
[03:39] <highvoltage> he's gone
[03:39] <RichEd> pips & ogra: are you both happy with the download page ?
[03:39] <ogra> totally
[03:39] <highvoltage> the download page looks very, very nice
[03:39] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: pips1++
[03:40] <pips1> I still need to add the minimal mirror listing for Dapper... but I'll do that after I had some food..
[03:40] <ogra> right, what about sending out the release ?
[03:40] <ogra> * announcement
[03:40] <RichEd> highvoltage: still some lion brakes
[03:40] <RichEd> new release incorporates
[03:40] <RichEd> countless new features 
[03:40] <RichEd> (at the bottom in under the hood)
[03:41] <pips1> Also, what's up with the DVD download links? should I add those too? ogra ?
[03:41] <RichEd> ogra: last tidy and then I'll send it ...
[03:41] <ogra> pips1, yes please
[03:41] <pips1> oki
[03:41] <highvoltage> RichEd: I can't find it
[03:42] <highvoltage> ah there it is
[03:42] <pips1> highvoltage: all last paragraphs on the page, below  "Under the hood"
[03:42] <highvoltage> resizing browser window also helps :)
[03:42] <pips1> yep
[03:42] <RichEd> sorry highvoltage : last one: try asking on the #edubuntu channel
[03:43] <RichEd> that's the text, not a suggestion of where you should ask
[03:43] <highvoltage> :)
[03:43] <RichEd> ogra: I will send to the lists: edubuntu-devel & edubuntu-users and ubuntu-education
[03:43] <RichEd> ogra: do we also want one to go out on ubu8tu-announce ?
[03:43] <highvoltage> RichEd: I think that's jst the browser that thinks the next word is too long? I can't find the line break in the source
[03:43] <RichEd> *ubuntu
[03:43] <jsgotangco> pips1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[03:43] <ogra> thats the omportant one, yes
[03:44] <ogra> *important
[03:44] <highvoltage> also, isn't it a bit too brave to announce 'countless new features'?
[03:44] <pips1> jsgotangco: thanks!
[03:44] <highvoltage> that's an overstatement :)
[03:44] <ogra> the others are only nice to have :) -announce is what the press picks up
[03:44] <ogra> highvoltage, iirc thats copied from the ubuntu announcement
[03:44] <RichEd> highvoltage: indeed on both counts ... I thought I changed it in my annonce page ... it also left a lumo in my craw when I read it.
[03:44] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, tehn I can live with it
[03:45] <highvoltage> ogra: since we can blameshift :)
[03:45] <ogra> As always, Ubuntu includes the very best of the 100% Free / Libre 
[03:45] <ogra> application software world, and each new release incorporates 
[03:45] <ogra> countless new features and bug fixes
[03:45] <ogra> right, its there in the original as well
[03:45] <ogra> we'll just point people to mdz if they complain :P
[03:45] <RichEd> highvoltage: #1 line break is not there
[03:46] <pips1> ogra: is the following sentence still correct, for the DVD..?
[03:46] <pips1> "It contains the AMD64, PPC and i386 install CDs. If you're unsure, the safest bet is the i386 disc."
[03:46] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:46] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav 
[03:46] <jsgmobile> Hey uncle sbalneaves
[03:46] <RichEd> highvoltage & ogra: I remember now that the line I moderated was "amost every application imaginable"
[03:46] <highvoltage> ok
[03:47] <pips1> ogra: ?
[03:47] <ogra> pips1, nope ... a DVD iso conmtains the live and the install iso as well as all of the supported software set
[03:47] <highvoltage> that's also quite brave :)
[03:47] <pips1> RichEd: we need your english skills here ^^^^ 
[03:47] <pips1> :)
[03:47] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, testing go OK?
[03:47] <RichEd> pips1: ??
[03:47] <ogra> just finishing 
[03:48] <ogra> the DVD had a major bug that made us make a rebuild
[03:48] <pips1> please provide a good sentence for <ogra> " a DVD iso conmtains the live and the install iso as well as all of the supported software set"
[03:49] <jsgmobile> All and set clash
[03:49] <pips1> ogra: by supported software set, you main all in the "main" repository, right?
[03:49] <pips1> s/main/mean/
[03:49] <ogra> probably "It contains both CD images as well as most of the main component"
[03:49] <jsgmobile> All the officially supported software would do
[03:49] <ogra> pips1, yes
[03:50] <sbalneav> The dvd ISO contains both the live, and install ISO's, as well as all the packages officially supported by Ubuntu?
[03:50] <jsgmobile> Perfect
[03:50] <ogra> i'd make the second "ISOs" "images"
[03:50] <sbalneav> yeah, avoid repetition.
[03:50] <ogra> yep
[03:51] <ogra> sound good that way
[03:51] <pips1> DVD in capital letters? or not?
[03:51] <ogra> yep
[03:51] <RichEd> indeed
[03:53] <ogra> shudder
[03:53] <ogra> i hope by that time i'll be gone or have my own testers squad so i dont need to download all the isos
[03:53] <jsgmobile> hahaha
[03:54] <ogra> the DVD alone takes hours every time
[03:54] <sbalneav> gone?
[03:54] <sbalneav> GONE>?!?
[03:54] <ogra> for an rsync
[03:54] <jsgmobile> yeah ill just rsync both later to create my own
[03:54] <sbalneav> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, MAN!!
[03:55] <pips1> sbalneav: I think he was talking about right now? 
[03:55] <highvoltage> sbalneav: didn't you read RichEd's announcement?
[03:55] <jsgmobile> Blueray is like next years consumer device dude
[03:55] <pips1> highvoltage: huh?
[03:56] <highvoltage> pips1?
[03:56] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes
[03:56] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: logs for shout
[03:56] <ogra> jsgmobile, !!
[03:56] <edubuntugirl> #edubuntu Thu, 26 Oct, 11:25: * edubuntugirl shouts at the top of his voice "Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from highvoltage!  '*test* has been released'!"
[03:56] <edubuntugirl> #edubuntu Thu, 26 Oct, 15:12: <RichEd> edubuntugirl: announce please no shouting even if you are snappy
[03:56] <edubuntugirl> #edubuntu Thu, 26 Oct, 15:12: * edubuntugirl shouts at the top of her voice "Hear Me Now!  Hear Me Now!  Announcement from RichEd!  'please no shouting even if you are snappy'!"
[03:56] <edubuntugirl> #edubuntu Thu, 26 Oct, 15:55: * RichEd lopks up to ask what the shouting is about ? highvoltage .. what w.r.t. my announcement ?
[03:56] <highvoltage> the one at 15:12 :)
[03:56] <ogra> sbalneav, indeed i'd never give up ... not even for blue ray :)
[03:56] <RichEd> this is what I meant:
 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, MAN!!
 sbalneav: I think he was talking about right now? 
 sbalneav: didn't you read RichEd's announcement?
[03:57] <ogra> RichEd, he was talking to me :)
[03:57] <sbalneav> Ogra said he'd be gone.
[03:58] <sbalneav> I was just joking. :)
[03:58] <RichEd> highvoltage: can you please make the release news live on the front page ?
[03:58] <RichEd> has anyone got any mail from ubuntu-annonce list today ?
[03:58] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <pips1> ok, I add the DVD paragraph http://www.edubuntu.org/Download
[03:58] <ogra> RichEd, didnt you get tollefs announcement ? 
[03:59] <RichEd> I joined yesterday, but don't see any email in my inbox ... strange
[03:59] <ogra> i know the kubuntu one sits still in the queue, but is sent as well
[04:00] <pips1> hey, I just read JaneW's birthday congrats :)
[04:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok
[04:02] <highvoltage> RichEd: done
[04:02] <pips1> what about the wiki starting page?! we need to update that too!
[04:02] <highvoltage> Congratulations!
[04:03] <RichEd> highvoltage: getting ubuntu-annnounce mail ready now
[04:03] <RichEd> pips1: the getting started page ?
[04:03] <pips1> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[04:03] <pips1> ^^^  it links directly from the main menu on edubuntu.org
[04:04] <pips1> it still reads Edubuntu 6.06 etc
[04:04] <pips1> ack
[04:04] <highvoltage> RichEd: great
[04:04] <RichEd> pips1: okay ... that is next on the list
[04:05] <pips1> I started going through it earlier, but then switched over to working on the downloads page
[04:05] <pips1> should I simply remove/unlink several outdated wiki pages on the wiki-startpage, and simply update the paragraph about 6.06 to 60.10?
[04:07] <ogra> no, not 60.10 please ... 
[04:07] <pips1> hehe
[04:07] <ogra> i'd be dust already if we were at 60.10 :)
[04:09] <pips1> blimey, that wiki page is outdated
[04:12] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i think he'll be too rich to be in one though
[04:12] <pips1> I need to get some food...
[04:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: great! I hope you'll have space in your mansion for me when you're that old!
[04:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, well, i doubt that :)
[04:12] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we can play lan games when we're too old to do anything else all day
[04:13] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i'll let you play in my asteroid sure
[04:13] <jsgotangco> whenever i boot to edgy i feel that dapper is so slow already
[04:14] <pips1> wow, that was effective. hitting ctrl-q by accident
[04:15] <pips1> ogra, is there a general page about helping to test Edubuntu? 
[04:15] <pips1> I think the edubuntu-specific is outdated by now... right?
[04:16] <pips1> RichEd: so what do we do about that wiki page? are you sending the release announcement nevertheless?
[04:16] <RichEd> pips1: the wiki page is not mentioned in the announcement
[04:17] <RichEd> I will get it sent, and then we can look at the wiki page
[04:17] <ogra> pips1, testing should always only apply to the development release
[04:18] <highvoltage> RichEd: do you know if the riots are still taking place on the N2?
[04:18] <ogra> RichEd, make sure to notify a moderator about the mail to -announce
[04:18] <ogra> i.e. mdz
[04:19] <ogra> they dont get passed automatically
[04:19] <RichEd> highvoltage: not sure ... I heavily suspect this was a plot by the A*C to draw news attention from away Helen Zille's democratic march 
[04:19] <RichEd> ogra: okay ... do I just let him know that there is a mail waiting for his attention ?
[04:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, I need to go home now but I think I'll just take the N1, even though it will take longer
[04:28] <lguerra> #ubuntu-education
[04:29] <lucasvo> howdy!
[04:29] <lucasvo> congrats!
[04:45] <pips1> :)
[04:47] <pips1> hmm. next to the startpage and the download page, the screenshots page is rather popular... 
[04:47] <pips1> the release announcement news item is looked at too, of course
[04:48] <jsgotangco> people love screenshots especially if they're looking at something new
[04:48] <pips1> well, the screenshots on our page aren't new, are they :-/
[04:48] <jsgotangco> that's why osdir is too popular for such
[04:48] <jsgotangco> shame, shame ;)
[04:50] <pips1> well, its mostly the first two screenshots we could have updated, the desktop background ones.
[04:52] <pips1> Search: upgrade (content).
[04:52] <pips1> Search: system requirements (content).
[04:52] <pips1> hmm
[04:53] <lucasvo> anyone know telepathy? is it possible to have a backend and frontent on different machines?
[05:10] <cbx33> lucasvo, did you get any further ;)
[05:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: I didn't do anythong
[05:11] <cbx33> i thoguht you got to lvl3
[05:11] <cbx33> ?
[05:11] <lucasvo> yes, 
[05:11] <cbx33> but no further?
[05:11] <lucasvo> no
[05:12] <cbx33> ahhh
[05:17] <pips1> hey, did you get home well?
[05:19] <highvoltage> yes, thanks
[05:27] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did you receive the email as well?
[05:28] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: the spelling errors one?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:29] <jsgotangco> shame shame shame
[05:29] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:29] <highvoltage> :)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: you should be part of blatant-and-awkward team
[05:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: as I'm reading through them, most of them are copied and pasted from Canonical and Ubuntu wiki pages ;)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:31] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: wow, just finished reading, we should encourage him to get more involved
[05:31] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: the mistakes he pointed out has been so for more than a year now, and no one else has picked it up, he can be useful to polish up our docs
[05:31] <jsgotangco> yeah the project doesn't need slackers like us anymore
[05:32] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: sorry, didn't mean it like that
[05:32] <sbalneav> Ah, corrections from a spelling-and-grammerphile?
[05:32] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i was kidding
[05:32] <highvoltage> I just meant that he has skills that we can exploit
[05:32] <jsgotangco> exploit is such an evil term muhahaha
[05:32] <highvoltage> I know :)
[05:32] <highvoltage> (which is why I love it so)
[05:32] <sbalneav> s/exploit/chain him to a desk/
[05:32] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you replying to him?
[05:33] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: I can. If you want to that would be great too.
[05:33] <highvoltage> or we can both reply to him even.
[05:33] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: do you have all the rights you need now in the Edubuntu CMS?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i believe so...i've just lost the energy today to edit stuff
[05:34] <jsgotangco> and its almost midnight
[05:34] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, it's no problem, I just want to know that you have the rights, then it's ok
[05:35] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: if you could test it it would be great
[05:35] <highvoltage> just so that we know you could edit in an emergency when pips1 or me isn't around
[05:35] <highvoltage> It would be ideal if we could have an editor in every timezone.
[05:36] <pips1> hehe
[05:36] <jsgotangco> thanks it seems to work now
[05:36] <pips1> hey, are those corrections you are talking about relevant to the website?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:37] <pips1> anything urgent?
[05:37] <jsgotangco> mostly spelling
[05:37] <pips1> ic
[05:37] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, I'll forward to you
[05:37] <pips1> ok
[05:38] <pips1> I'll need to go soon.. I can just do a couple of tweaks, if there is anything urgent..
[05:38] <highvoltage> pips1: it's nothing urgent
[05:38] <highvoltage> check your mailbox when you have a spot, it's forwarded to you.
[05:38] <pips1> that's a relief
[05:39] <pips1> got it
[05:40] <sbalneav> Is there a GOOD way to install a package, but basically leave it unconfigured? 
[05:40] <sbalneav> Here's my situation.
[05:41] <sbalneav> I want to install the pam-ldap packages.
[05:41] <sbalneav> But, our ldap config's so customized, I have a script, which I could turn into a deb, to do the config.
[05:41] <highvoltage> sbalneav: do you really need it installed?
[05:41] <sbalneav> So, Ideally, what I'd like to do is:
[05:42] <sbalneav> yeah, we use a lot of ldap here.
[05:42] <highvoltage> sbalneav: dpkg --unpack file.deb
[05:42] <sbalneav> apt-get install --don't-run-through-the-install-questions pam-ldap
[05:42] <sbalneav> Hmm
[05:43] <highvoltage> heh
[05:43] <sbalneav> then could just do a download only on the package.
[05:43] <highvoltage> yep
[05:43] <highvoltage> that's apt-get -d
[05:43] <highvoltage> apt-get -d install pam-ldap
[05:43] <highvoltage> dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/pam-ldap*deb
[05:44] <highvoltage> I don't know if you need a -i with that dpkg, I don't think so
[05:44] <sbalneav> Wonder if there's something with the debconf question level that could be done.
[05:44] <sbalneav> Hmmm
[05:46] <highvoltage> sbalneav: sorry, I've been making too many assumptions. is this a once-off installation, or is this part of an installation you are working on?
[05:46] <sbalneav> I've got 13 servers to configure, so, what I'd like to do is:
[05:46] <sbalneav> create some local .deb's that install docs to /usr/share/doc, and have scripts that configure services.
[05:47] <sbalneav> So, for instance, legalaid-ldap-config.deb would...
[05:47] <sbalneav> install the pam-ldap module, skipping the config debconf questions
[05:48] <sbalneav> then, use sed scripts to automagically configure things the way I want.
[05:48] <sbalneav> so, in the end, all I have to do is add the legalaid local repository,
[05:48] <sbalneav> and do a apt-get install legalaid-desktop
[05:48] <sbalneav> to provision a new server!
[05:48] <sbalneav> :)
[05:49] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think it might be quickest and easies to have a legalaid-pam-ldap package that just has a conflicts/replace pam-ldap
[05:49] <highvoltage> sbalneav: (I'm in no way proficient with packaging)
[05:50] <highvoltage> but it would take you 5 minutes, and it would work properly.
[05:50] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: be careful what you wish for!
[05:50] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i work for a poor foundation
[05:50] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: I thought the foundation you work for was a big rich foundation?
[05:50] <highvoltage> are you serious?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> our hearts are big
[05:51] <highvoltage> :)
[05:51] <jsgotangco> but our technology really sucks
[05:51] <jsgotangco> so i am a bit overwhelmed at work
[05:51] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: NT SERVER 4
[05:51] <sbalneav> hmmm
[05:52] <sbalneav> dpkg-preconfigure looks interesting
[05:52] <jsgotangco> 3COM SUPERSTACK II HUB
[05:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: anyway, i discovered techsoup.com today
[05:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: NT4!? oh no!
[05:54] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: sometimes i ask myself what i have gotten into
[05:54] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: that's when you know you're doing something right :)
[05:55] <highvoltage> if things go to easy, you're not making a difference, you're just going with the flow.
[05:55] <jsgotangco> i just say to myself i was put there by an invisible hand with  a purpose
[05:55] <highvoltage> *sigh*. yes that invisible hand can do some strange things.
[05:56] <highvoltage> there's a quote from Mario Andretti where he says: "If you're in control, you're not going fast enough"
[05:56] <jsgotangco> but i still cry within whenever i have to do something on NT server 4
[05:56] <highvoltage> I love that quote :)
[05:56] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: our mother company is rich for sure, we are shielded from BSA stuff
[05:56] <highvoltage> well, I'm sure you'll be able to change that long-term.
[05:57] <jsgotangco> probably not on the front end though, we're a lotus notes organization
[05:57] <jsgotangco> *sigh*
[05:58] <jsgotangco> i go through numerous hacks and what nots just to bypass the ISA server of the network
[05:58] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: its pretty much a command-and-control type of organization at the moment
[06:00] <juliux> edubuntugirl, welcome back;)
[06:00] <edubuntugirl> juliux: sorry...
[06:00] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: but i would like to change it to collaborate-and-connect
[06:00] <highvoltage> she just had to go to join #ubuntu-education :)
[06:01] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ah, I see. that often leaves little space for innovation and creativity and problem solving
[06:01] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: I feel for you
[06:01] <hmd32> hi all
[06:01] <juliux> highvoltage, ask seveas for an cloack for edubuntugirl
[06:01] <highvoltage> juliux: ok
[06:01] <highvoltage> hi hmd32 
[06:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: unfortunately we're no tsf heh
[06:01] <juliux> highvoltage, i remeber that there was something that freenode dont like unknown bots
[06:02] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: and im afraid my project would end up proprietary
[06:03] <pips1> quote from #ubuntu-devel: <blueyed> Is there a channel for the website? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download does not work with Konqueror (the javascript click-open part).. :/
[06:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: trust me, we had some of those problems too
[06:03] <highvoltage> it can happen in any organisation
[06:03] <pips1> hah! there you go! fancy smancy javascript
[06:03] <highvoltage> juliux: ok, I'll clear it with seveas
[06:03] <pips1> ;-)
[06:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ugh. that sux.
[06:04] <highvoltage> I refuse to work on a propriety product... unless they pay me so much that I can buy them out again and re-license the software anyway
[06:04] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: maybe my approach is wrong, maybe i should educate them first
[06:04] <highvoltage> pips1: ^5
[06:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it couldn't hurt.
[06:04] <highvoltage> problem is people who make choices don't want to be educated. they just want more control.
[06:05] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: well tomorrow it'll be presented on a league of non-profits but i won't be there
[06:05] <jsgotangco> so im pretty worried about it
[06:05] <jsgotangco> im sure they'll like it
[06:05] <jsgotangco> but im afraid on how they would package it
[06:08] <highvoltage> that's a tough one.
[06:08] <highvoltage> perhaps you should try to organise an internal presentation
[06:08] <jsgotangco> oh i actually did
[06:08] <highvoltage> where you explain free software and the benefits of using linux in education to key staff
[06:08] <highvoltage> oh great.
[06:08] <highvoltage> how did it go?
[06:08] <jsgotangco> the problem is that we're talking about media people, the final frontier of the free content world
[06:09] <Burgwork> highvoltage: google + solaris is a rumour
[06:10] <jsgotangco> the first reaction was "let's put it on our premium content streaming service" running on windows media server
[06:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:10] <highvoltage> Burgwork: aaaah
[06:10] <jsgotangco> but god bless my boss she is spiritually in touch with the philosophy of foss
[06:10] <Brian_> I'm new to edubuntu . . . trying to set it up for a preschool and install some older windows software.  Can anyone help?
[06:11] <jsgotangco> so in a way, i am close to salvation
[06:11] <jsgotangco> Brian_: what older windows software are we talking about
[06:11] <Brian_> It is a Disney title for preschoolers
[06:11] <tideline> Brian_: is it a Windows program?
[06:12] <Brian_> It is for Win95/98/Me/XP
[06:12] <Brian_> I installed wine (I think it worked)
[06:12] <tideline> Brian_: you will probably have to install wine, Windows software does not run natively on linux - usually
[06:13] <Brian_> I followed instructions in wine's site for installing it.
[06:13] <tideline> did you get an error
[06:13] <Brian_> When I try to run the setup.exe from terminal, it says permission denied.
[06:13] <pips1> Brian_: is your particular ms application listed on the wine site?
[06:13] <Brian_> I am logged in as the *only* user
[06:13] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: fight fight fight
[06:13] <Brian_> didn't find it there.
[06:13] <jsgotangco> !
[06:13] <pips1> right
[06:14] <highvoltage> Brian_: try "wine setup.exe"
[06:14] <Brian_> okay
[06:14] <pips1> I only have limited experience with wine myself
[06:14] <highvoltage> Brian_: Ubuntu's kernel doesn't have the wine patch installed, so you have to run the program with wine
[06:14] <tideline> me too
[06:14] <highvoltage> Brian_: #ubuntu is also a better place for wine questions
[06:15] <Brian_> okay.  I got farther, at least . . . I will try #ubuntu to deal with the errors now.  Thank you!
[06:15] <pips1> well, and potentially a lot more people around to answer them! #ubuntu has over 1000 users at the mo
[06:15] <highvoltage> further.
[06:15] <cliebow> `anyone using nx in edgy?
[06:16] <Brian_> It seems to be installing now.  Thanks so much, and have a great day!!!!!!
[06:16] <highvoltage> Brian_: great! you too!
[06:18] <tideline> cliebow: you mean NoMachine NX, the terminal server?
[06:23] <cliebow> tideline:yes exactly..open source version that fabian did
[06:24] <cliebow> i use it in breezt=y dapper and rh
[06:24] <tideline> cliebow: ok just wanted to clarify - personally no I have not
[06:24] <jsgotangco> oh man, a friend just sent me a music sampler of ABBA heavy metal style
[06:24] <cliebow> i dont know whether i dare use the seveas repo
[06:25] <jsgotangco> oh he's pretty trustworthy in an ubuntu-sense
[06:28] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[06:28] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:28] <highvoltage> goodnight jsgotangco 
[06:28] <tideline> sleep tight
[06:29] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: seen RichEd 
[06:29] <edubuntugirl> RichEd was last seen on #edubuntu 2 hours, 9 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: ogra: okay ... do I just let him know that there is a mail waiting for his attention ? [Thu Oct 26 16:19:14 2006] 
[06:29] <RichEd> higvoltage ... alternatively you can ask me directly
[06:30] <sbalneav> RichEd: seen RichEd
[06:31] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl responds faster :)
[06:31] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: excuse me?
[06:31] <RichEd> yes ... he's right here inside me
[06:31] <sbalneav> LOL
[06:31] <RichEd> but would edbuntugirl give you an answer like that ;)
[06:34] <pips1> RichEd: I got that mirrors list from Matt Nuzum, but he is re-working it, since there was a glitch in the javascript causing problems on the Konqurerer browser.. I'll wait with updating that link listing, till the "dust settles a bit"... :)
[06:35] <RichEd> sure ... I think we are fine for today ...
[06:35] <pips1> yeah
[06:35] <RichEd> thanks for all of your help ... been a busy 48 hours
[06:36] <pips1> thanks for the thanks
[06:36] <RichEd> pips1: busy with a presentation ... hence my quiteness at the moment
[06:36] <RichEd> quietness
[06:37] <pips1> I'll be gone in a bit... but we'll talk soon again
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya
[06:43] <lguerra_working> pips, the transparencies of the images are seen blue in IE
[06:47] <highvoltage> that is my fault mostly. I only tested sparcely on IE :/
[06:48] <highvoltage> people who insist on using IE should use IE7 at least. that handles transparency (apparently)
[06:49] <lguerra_working> highvoltage, you give me 5 minutes and already I confirm you that
[06:49] <highvoltage> lguerra_working: ok :)
[06:50] <pips1> nice, lguerra testing ie7 :)
[06:51] <lguerra_working> :X
[06:51] <pips1> good stuff.
[06:51] <pips1> highvoltage: jsgotangco I fixed up those spelling mistakes
[06:52] <lguerra_working> pips1, in my work I have obliged that to use Windows
[06:52] <pips1> I think that is actually the case in more places that one would suspect :-/
[06:52] <lguerra_working> but my baby (server) is a nice Ubuntu Dapper
[06:53] <pips1> :)
[06:54] <pips1> highvoltage: jsgotangco are you going to reply to to the person who sent the spelling corrections? I'd be nice to get him involved for proof reading :)
[06:55] <jsgotangco> pips1: please feel free to reply to the guy, its 1am on my side and im about to drop in front my my laptop ;)
[06:58] <pips1> ok, I'll reply
[07:01] <lguerra_working> highvoltage, I feel it, the great system of authenticity of microsoft failure again, the portatil with original license that buy the company cannot be authenticated :P
[07:04] <highvoltage> lguerra_working: heh
[07:04] <highvoltage> pips1: I'd like to reply to him
[07:04] <pips1> highvoltage: please do!
[07:04] <highvoltage> pips1: but if you want to instead, I'm fine with it too :)
[07:04] <pips1> go ahead
[07:04] <highvoltage> ok, will do in next 30 minutes or so
[07:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock!
[07:20] <LaserJock> hi hih
[07:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage
[07:20] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock 
[07:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm quite bummed that I can't go to MTV :/
[07:22] <highvoltage> it didn't bother me until now. I don't know why it does now. I think it's probably seeing the specs and knowing that I'll have to miss out on some great bof's
[07:24] <LaserJock> well jsgotangco's blog reminded me of Paris
[07:24] <jsgotangco> im bummed myself
[07:24] <LaserJock> and the fun we had
[07:24] <jsgotangco> but then i didnt do much for edgy either
[07:25] <LaserJock> well, I'm only going to be in Mt View for Sunday and Monday
[07:26] <LaserJock> so I'll miss out on quite a bit
[07:26] <LaserJock> but I'm not going to let that get in the way of working on Edubuntu Feisty ;-)
[07:27] <highvoltage> this december I have three weeks leave AND internet connectivity :)
[07:27] <highvoltage> I plan to do some fun stuff then
[07:29] <LaserJock> for me personally I'm feeling like the biggest challenge for Edubuntu is customizability
[07:29] <LaserJock> being able to adapt to any educational setting
[07:29] <highvoltage> it is quite important indeed.
[07:30] <highvoltage> for me it's about balance between performance, stabality and functionality.
[07:30] <highvoltage> it seems like we've got a good balance of goals within the edubuntu team
[07:30] <LaserJock> yes
[07:30] <highvoltage> I think we should do more to get it 'on paper'
[07:30] <LaserJock> that's what I really like
[07:30] <LaserJock> yeah, I agree
[07:31] <LaserJock> we should have an Edubuntu tasks page
[07:31] <LaserJock> or something
[07:31] <highvoltage> yep
[07:31] <LaserJock> specs are good for the larger things
[07:31] <highvoltage> the what-we-would-do-if-we-had-all-the-time-and-resources-in-the-world page :)
[07:32] <LaserJock> but we need like a "These are the little things we want to do with Edubuntu"
[07:32] <highvoltage> aah, I see
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'm interested in more menuing things
[07:32] <highvoltage> like 4 or 5 top level goals
[07:32] <highvoltage> am I correct?
[07:32] <LaserJock> things for people to work on
[07:32] <highvoltage> ok, now I see.
[07:33] <LaserJock> things people are interested in working on
[07:33] <LaserJock> right now we have the high level specs for big things like LTSP
[07:33] <LaserJock> but just putting down on "paper" the various things people would like to work on
[07:34] <LaserJock> kinda like Edubuntu mini-specs :-)
[07:34] <highvoltage> yep, that sounds cool
[07:34] <LaserJock> because I think we are getting a few more people who can actually do the work
[07:34] <highvoltage> but for it to get into Edubuntu, it would have to become a launchpad spcc eventually
[07:35] <LaserJock> not really
[07:35] <LaserJock> I can do whatever I want :-)
[07:35] <highvoltage> well, I suppose as long as its in main it can go into Edubuntu
[07:35] <LaserJock> we need to spec the big things that need discussion
[07:36] <LaserJock> or have big consequences
[07:37] <LaserJock> but they aren't going to reject something simply because it doesn't have a spec
[07:37] <LaserJock> specs are a bit more important, IMO, for the Canonical people because they have to justify and document their time
[07:38] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[07:38] <LaserJock> but the community can more-or-less do whatever they want as long as it meets Ubuntu's standards
[07:38] <highvoltage> I haven't really looked at it that way yet. I think I got a bt caught up in the process.
[07:39] <LaserJock> I mean, it's more fun to spec things out at a summit and for important features it's really needed
[07:39] <LaserJock> but there are a lot of little things we can just "do"
[07:40] <highvoltage> yes. I understand better now why a list like that would be a good idea.
[07:41] <LaserJock> if they turn into formal specs then that's great
[07:41] <highvoltage> what is there you can think of, besides the menus?
[07:41] <LaserJock> I'm also interested in content area meta packages
[07:41] <highvoltage> to be honest, the menus does sound like a big complicated thing, I wouldn't categorise that as quick and easy :)
[07:42] <LaserJock> edubuntu-science-chemistry ,etc.
[07:42] <LaserJock> highvoltage: well, I have an initial implementation of the menus in Edgy
[07:42] <highvoltage> that would be cool, yes.
[07:42] <LaserJock> that was the most invasive part
[07:42] <LaserJock> now it's just making it pretty and usable
[07:43] <LaserJock> but I did register a spec for it anyway
[07:43] <LaserJock> edubuntu-menus-completion
[07:43] <LaserJock> just because we need a -completion spec at each summit ;-)
[07:43] <highvoltage> yep
[07:45] <LaserJock> but I'm still thinking about Edubuntu in the context of moving maybe to something like an add-on CD
[07:46] <highvoltage> what do you mean? edubuntu itself becoming an add-on CD? or it gaining an add-on cd?
[07:46] <LaserJock> edubuntu itself
[07:46] <LaserJock> I like the idea of an educational layer
[07:46] <LaserJock> that you put on top of whatever flavour you're using
[07:48] <LaserJock> so like if you ordered an Edubuntu CD from Shipit, you get an Ubuntu cd (you can use on a dept. server or admin desktops) + the Edubuntu CD (for LTSP servers and classrooms)
[07:48] <highvoltage> it's a good concept, and it would solve a bunch of problems, but it would not be a turn-key solution anymore
[07:49] <LaserJock> it would allow us a lot of freedom space wise
[07:49] <highvoltage> ltsp only takes a few KB on the CD, so I don't think you need another cd for that
[07:49] <highvoltage> it would
[07:49] <imbrandon_> hum is there a way to just use the ltsp part on kubuntu ?
[07:49] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: yep
[07:49] <imbrandon_> gota  howto ?
[07:49] <imbrandon_> heh
[07:49] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
[07:49] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: then ltsp-build-client
[07:49] <pygi> imbrandon_: then build clients ^_^
[07:49] <pygi> yay^_^
[07:49] <highvoltage> pygi: indeed :)
[07:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: but I'm thinking much bigger then LTSP
[07:50] <imbrandon_> ok i have a i386 server but ppc clients is that a problem ?
[07:50] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: there's documentation for it on the Ubuntu wiki too
[07:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I understand, sorry :)
[07:50] <pygi> imbrandon_: no, we have wiki page for that situation I think ^_^
[07:50] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: it's possible to do multiarch, althouh I haven't tried it yet
[07:50] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: there's docs for that on the wiki... just a sec..
[07:50] <imbrandon_> kk
[07:50] <pygi> imbrandon_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[07:51] <pygi> highvoltage: done ;)
[07:51] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: pygi++
[07:51] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: karma pygi 
[07:51] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: pygi has karma of 1
[07:51] <imbrandon_> :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: heh, that's my weirdness in working on Edubuntu. I've never used LTSP and probably won't for some time
[07:51] <pygi> highvoltage: ^_^
[07:51] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: there's more docs here if you need it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[07:51] <imbrandon_> thanks fellas
[07:51] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: of course, youre still free to ask :)
[07:52] <pygi> imbrandon_: just don't eat us :P
[07:52] <imbrandon_> heh
[07:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think that's fine, since edubuntu is bigger than ltsp, and many people are playing with ltsp :)
[07:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:52] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: ++ becosue thats the main reason i dont setup full edubuntu, no kde
[07:53] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I do think you'll find a reason to use it once diskless fat clients are available. I mean... that's uber cool for universities, imho
[07:53] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: there's a little kde in edubuntu, at least
[07:53] <highvoltage> imbrandon_: we install the kdelibs and the kde edutainment suite
[07:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: maybe, they are talking about getting rid of the computer lab in my department :(
[07:53] <pygi> LaserJock: !!!
[07:53] <highvoltage> to install the kde desktop is only a small additional step
[07:54] <imbrandon_> highvoltage: but not the DE :)
[07:54] <jsgotangco> its not that much
[07:54] <highvoltage> LaserJock: eek, that suc
[07:54] <jsgotangco> kdelibs ate a huge chunk
[07:54] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: eets
[07:54] <imbrandon_> jsgotangco: i know, just adding my 0.2c
[07:55] <LaserJock> yeah, I think it'd be nice to have a way to put an educational layer of top of Xubuntu, Kubuntu, or Ubuntu
[07:55] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: the probelm is that you'll have to look into curriculum and countries differ on that regard
[07:55] <jsgotangco> no school would use something that is not part of curriculum
[07:55] <LaserJock> right
[07:56] <LaserJock> well, my uni would but that's sort of a corner case at this point
[07:56] <highvoltage> wikipedia isn't specifically curriculum aligned and schools use it.
[07:57] <jsgotangco> yes so you will have to make software that complements the curriculum
[07:57] <LaserJock> I just wonder if making Edubuntu as flexible as we can would improve that
[07:57] <LaserJock> something like a "Build your own Edubuntu"
[07:57] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i like the strategy of providing a good base of tools
[07:58] <pygi> LaserJock: like "Reconstructor"?
[07:58] <LaserJock> pygi: yes, but better and specific to Edubuntu
[07:58] <LaserJock> but kinda like that
[07:58] <pygi> LaserJock: you could always play with it to make it fit Edubuntu needs ^_^
[08:00] <LaserJock> I guess my problem is that I'm not really used to how k-12 schools work
[08:00] <LaserJock> regarding computer
[08:00] <LaserJock> we never had  computers in my school
[08:00] <LaserJock> and I'm more geared into university teaching
[08:00] <jsgotangco> its quite challenging
[08:01] <LaserJock> I understand the curriculum issue a bit
[08:01] <jsgotangco> you also get schools that prefer a desktop solution rather than a server one
[08:01] <tideline> my question is how do you really "sell" linux to s school?
[08:01] <LaserJock> and that's why I think having Edubuntu be the building blocks that individual schools use to build a distro for them is appealing
[08:02] <jsgotangco> tideline: you sell a solution, not a product
[08:02] <highvoltage> LaserJock: support would be a challenge too I think, since we'd need enough 'edubuntu' people that understands kde, gnome, xfce, nexenta, or whatever else we'd like to support
[08:02] <pygi> LaserJock: I can name only one school teacher in Croatia who would PERHAPS be able to build his own distro, with anything
[08:02] <jsgotangco> you don't sell edubuntu as is, but sell an educational solution that uses edubuntu
[08:02] <tideline> I have a school that my son attends that is open to the idea, but I think in my geekyness I cant explain Linux to them in term they understand
[08:02] <highvoltage> it would mean more documentation too
[08:02] <pygi> LaserJock: high school*
[08:02] <tideline> jsgotangco: thats what I mean
[08:02] <highvoltage> and more complication when introducing more features
[08:02] <tideline> the total package
[08:03] <tideline> lab set up, wireless gateway, storage etc
[08:03] <LaserJock> highvoltage: maybe
[08:03] <tideline> they are interested but hesitant
[08:03] <LaserJock> but my gut feeling is that we shouldn't be in the core distro business but in the education software business
[08:03] <LaserJock> but maybe I need to look at it differently
[08:03] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: well we provide a base
[08:04] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I guess my question is, should we be doing that? or should Ubuntu be doing that
[08:04] <tideline> /usr/local/bin/memcached -u memcached -d -m 2048
[08:04] <tideline> crap sorry
[08:04] <tideline> copy/paste error 
[08:04] <jsgotangco> you think its a good idea for ubuntu to have kdeedu as well?
[08:04] <LaserJock> no
[08:05] <LaserJock> I think the Edubuntu educational layer should have that
[08:05] <jsgotangco> imho, we're pretty much a core edu-distro that provides a base for edu solutions
[08:05] <LaserJock> right
[08:06] <LaserJock> and I'm thinking we need to either be and educational layer on top of *buntu or provide more flexibility for edu solutions
[08:06] <LaserJock> the case of people wanting to run KDE is an example
[08:07] <LaserJock> we are "locked" into certain things right now
[08:07] <LaserJock> is that providing a base for edu solutions?
[08:07] <divan> hello
[08:07] <jsgotangco> it really depends on what your packaged solution is
[08:07] <divan> can someone please tell me is it safe to upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[08:07] <pygi> divan: it is ^_^
[08:07] <jsgotangco> divan: yes
[08:07] <divan> and how do you do this? For ltsp?
[08:07] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I do agree with you.
[08:08] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I have an alternative suggestion
[08:08] <highvoltage> LaserJock: and that's that we have edubuntu meta-packages for kde
[08:08] <divan> don't you have to rm -rf /opt/i386 and recreate it?
[08:08] <divan> and all sorts? There used to be an upgrade doc...
[08:08] <highvoltage> so you install edubuntu-kde metapackage, that install edubuntu artwork, kde-edu, etc.
[08:09] <LaserJock> yes, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about, although I think we might be moving more toward tasks rather then metapackages
[08:09] <LaserJock> I just don't know
[08:09] <LaserJock> I mean, I'm certainly no expert here
[08:09] <LaserJock> but these are the things I've been trying to think about lately
[08:10] <divan> pygi: Any ideas how to go about upgrading?
[08:10] <LaserJock> especially with the work RichEd is doing
[08:10] <divan> jsgotangco:?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: congratulations on your country's new great wall (or fence) hehhehehe
[08:10] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: thank you. I'm sure it will be immigrant-proof ;-)
[08:10] <jsgotangco> make sure its has high voltage
[08:10] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[08:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:11] <pygi> divan: always ^_^
[08:11] <pygi> divan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[08:12] <divan> perfect!
[08:12] <divan> thanks guys! :D
[08:12] <divan> You all rock  hehe :)
[08:12] <pygi> divan: ^_^
[08:12] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: well based on my experience, if the discussion goes into the delivery of educational materials with not much focus on the backend running, its always a good thing
[08:12] <divan> Found some docs :) will do adios ;)
[08:12] <pygi> bye divan 
[08:12] <divan> :)
[08:12] <nixternal> good job guys with 6.10! congrats goes out to this entire team!
[08:12] <highvoltage> 
[08:13] <LaserJock> yes, it's been a fun and productive release
[08:13] <pygi> nixternal: ^_^
[08:13] <LaserJock> everybody did a good job, I just wish I could have helped out more
[08:13] <pygi> LaserJock: and it'll be better for feisty ^_^ But without me :(
[08:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that's what *everybody* says :)
[08:14] <nixternal> i woke up super sick this morning...my eyes are half shut, my brain is in pain..i got the edgy release blues
[08:14] <sbalneav> How come without you?
[08:14] <highvoltage> nixternal: ouch man, get some rest. you need to be fresh for feisty ;)
[08:15] <LaserJock> btw, I've actually accomplished something on a Gnome periodic table
[08:15] <LaserJock> in C++ even
[08:15] <LaserJock> I'm pretty excited
[08:15] <pygi> sbalneav: well, since I managed to do a lot of bad things during the edgy cycle, and I've exhusted myself with not much sleep (like 2h per night) ...
[08:15] <nixternal> i have already started with feisty
[08:15] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ooh
[08:16] <sbalneav> What bad things did you do? :) None that I'm aware of.
[08:16] <nixternal> i went ahead and changed the <!ENTITY distro-rev '7.04'> & <!ENTITY distro-version 'Feisty Fawn'>
[08:16] <jsgotangco> hah
[08:16] <pygi> sbalneav: first, I promised to become MOTU. Failed. Promised to deliver Handbook same day with release. Failed. Promised to come to MV. Failed. Everything else...Failed
[08:17] <jsgotangco> ive actually done stuff outside edubuntu though
[08:17] <jsgotangco> like finishing up my todos in jokosher
[08:17] <LaserJock> pygi: but you made progress, that's the important part
[08:18] <LaserJock> pygi: maybe you need to be more realistic in your promises, I know I've been having that problem lately too
[08:18] <pygi> LaserJock: involving what exactly? :P Everyone keep telling about progress but there is none :)
[08:18] <pygi> LaserJock: well, my MOTU stuff mostly has to do with not being able to get signed keys, not my packaging skills ;P
[08:18] <LaserJock> you worked on stuff
[08:18] <highvoltage> I'm getting sucked into more and more Xubuntu stuff.
[08:18] <pygi> LaserJock: Handbook ... eh, as always, a lot of problems with it, me and Susan practicly wrote the Dapper one on our own
[08:19] <LaserJock> not as much as you wanted too for sure
[08:19] <highvoltage> they seem to be an even smaller team than Edubuntu. I'm amazed at how much they get done.
[08:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yes, they are quite good
[08:19] <highvoltage> I do need to get more involved in packaging stuff... it's important that I get good at it for my dayjob
[08:19] <LaserJock> highvoltage: they have a decent amount of documentation too
[08:20] <highvoltage> I can already create decent packages, but I still haven't gotten into things like pbuilder yet
[08:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[08:20] <pygi> highvoltage: pbuilder is quite trivial ^_^
[08:20] <jsgotangco> pbuilder is not complicated
[08:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I have it in my firefox bookmark folder :)
[08:20] <highvoltage> pygi: I think the reason why I haven't done it yet is just because I *think* it's complicated :)
[08:21] <highvoltage> and therefore I make it complicated for myself
[08:21] <pygi> highvoltage: no good, no good ;)
[08:21] <jsgotangco> a chroot is much scarier than a pbuilder
[08:21] <highvoltage> what the heck. I don't have any deadlines for tomorrow, or anything important for tonight, I'll read the packaging guide tonight
[08:21] <pygi> jsgotangco: even chroot is not complicated
[08:21] <jsgotangco> pygi: but you're pygi and im only jsgotangco
[08:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, well, I'm very comfortable with chroots :)
[08:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock: prepare to be flooded with questions!!! mhuahhaahahah
[08:22] <LaserJock> I find pbuilder to be fairly complicated when you start to use if for various cool things
[08:22] <LaserJock> just building a .deb isn't bad at all
[08:22] <pygi> jsgotangco: heh, true, but still ...
[08:23] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: this is one of my problems http://technology.inq7.net/infotech/infotech/view_article.php?article_id=28937
[08:23] <LaserJock> argg, what app is used to get screenshots in Gnome when I just want 1 window
[08:23] <highvoltage> gimp
[08:23] <jsgotangco> gimp
[08:23] <highvoltage> gimp -> file -> acquare screenshot -> single window
[08:23] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: what the heck is ICT?
[08:23] <LaserJock> highvoltage: excellent
[08:24] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ahhh its what we call Information and Communication Technology 
[08:24] <jsgotangco> its an asian thing
[08:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: here too
[08:26] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we're quite lucky that in the one province, we have an office within the education department, and we have a tuxlab in their center too, which officials use to do their admin
[08:26] <sbalneav> pygi: Don't be so hard on yourself.  Those of us who AREN'T Canonical employees are unpaid volunteers.  If you added ONE line to the handbook, if you at least started THINKING about being a MOTU, if you at least TRIED to get to MV, you've done more than 99.99999999% of the population of the planet :)
[08:26] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we've got excellent buy-in there.
[08:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: now you sound like my math teacher!
[08:26] <pygi> sbalneav: where do you get all that inspiration? :P
[08:26] <highvoltage> pygi: he's right though
[08:26] <sbalneav> I didn't get all the stuff done that I wanted to either: but I did get SOME stuff in, and the next 6 months will get even MORE stuff done.
[08:27] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: my problem is that there is no such thing like that here at all, and my project is probably the first one to do such
[08:27] <highvoltage> sbalneav: where can we get your handbook?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> in the public school sector
[08:27] <pygi> highvoltage: his handbook? :P
[08:27] <highvoltage> pygi: LTSP handbook
[08:27] <sbalneav> it's on the svn repo
[08:27] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: is there such thing as an LTSP book? (printed)
[08:27] <pygi> highvoltage: oh, that ^_^
[08:27] <sbalneav> No!  Wish there was.
[08:28] <sbalneav> It'd be out-of-date now anyway, with the new LTSP-5 model.
[08:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:28] <pygi> sbalneav: you could write one ;)
[08:28] <sbalneav> :)
[08:28] <sbalneav> I'd rather get sound and cdburning going next :P
[08:29] <sbalneav> pygi: don't give up, just keep plugging.
[08:29] <highvoltage> sbalneav: is there a big demand for that?
[08:29] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: why are you grinning at me?
[08:29] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: probably
[08:29] <sbalneav> As Red Green says: "Remember, we're all in this together:
[08:29] <sbalneav> "
[08:29] <highvoltage> we've had very little demand for cd burning in our labs yet.
[08:29] <sbalneav> Our users would love it.
[08:30] <sbalneav> But I was too busy with the localdevs stuff pre-launch to give pygi much of a hand with it.
[08:30] <highvoltage> I guess it would be useful to tuxlabs in terms of backups. they wouldn't have to do it from the server anymore
[08:30] <highvoltage> more of 'I wish I could do more' :)
[08:31] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you rock!
[08:31] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: sbalneav++
[08:31] <sbalneav> We'll get it for feisty.  And if not for feisty, for Galloping Gazelle.  And if not for Galloping, we'll get if for Hungry Hippo
[08:31] <LaserJock> ok, here's a shot of what I've been doing: http://www.laserjock.us/ubuntu/gchemtable.png
[08:31] <sbalneav> Free Software's a journey, not a destination. 
[08:32] <jsgotangco> i like your zen!
[08:32] <sbalneav> And what matters most is, who's on the trip with you :)
[08:32] <LaserJock> sbalneav: and that you eat well on your journey ;-)
[08:33] <pygi> sbalneav: bad thing is there won't be new libburn release (altought it's actually preety ready now) until I implement some libisofs features Kamion requested
[08:33] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it's strange that you should mention that, I've had some deep thoughts about my life earlier this week and came to a similar conclusion, and I feel more energised because of it
[08:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: does something happen when you click on one of the elements atm?
[08:34] <pygi> I feel very bad lately, I've ran into a lot of bad situations because I'm open source fan and contributor
[08:34] <LaserJock> sure
[08:34] <pygi> mostly at my uni
[08:34] <LaserJock> highvoltage: it's kinda silly, I just added the color scheme
[08:35] <LaserJock> but what I'm doing is reading in data for BODR wich is a new chemical information open source database
[08:35] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's progress!
[08:35] <LaserJock> that's what the neat part is
[08:35] <highvoltage> pygi: really, don't feel bad about it, unless you've been neglecting your friends and family or something
[08:36] <pygi> highvoltage: nothing really :) I just failed exam because I refused to work on Windows, was kicked out of classes for arguing why and how good Linux is, etc ^_^
[08:36] <pygi> nothing too serious tho :P
[08:36] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Yes, If you can eat well, have fun, be with your friends,  and make a positive difference in people's lives, no matter how small, well, what the heck more can you possibly ask out of life?
[08:36] <highvoltage> pygi: wow, did you blog about it? you should create some awareness around it
[08:36] <highvoltage> pygi: it's the best way to put pressure on big people. *lots of noise*
[08:36] <pygi> highvoltage: doesn't matter =)
[08:37] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I just keep getting a bigger fan of you. :)
[08:37] <pygi> and wasn't actually kicked really, just warned several times, bla bla that I should stop that :)
[08:37] <sbalneav> \o/
[08:37] <pygi> but I really went out from exam :P
[08:37] <highvoltage> in high school, a woman I know gave me a long speach about how I'm young and naive and I think I can change the world, and how I'll grow up one day and how I'll realise that I can't.
[08:37] <pygi> highvoltage: things don't matter here, everyone is ignoring
[08:38] <pygi> highvoltage: I'm fighting every day with everyone at uni
[08:38] <sbalneav> highvoltage: That's baloney.
[08:38] <sbalneav> Don't ever, EVER stop wanting to make things better.
[08:38] <highvoltage> then, after speaking to a wise friend, he told me that you don't have to make a big change in the world to change the world. you can just make a difference in one person's life, and you'd have made a change for the better.
[08:38] <sbalneav> Absolutely.
[08:38] <highvoltage> so since then I've ignored what she said. and I've been prooving her wrong ever since, bit by bit.
[08:38] <pygi> sbalneav: right, but you'd understand what I'm talking about if you were here :)
[08:39] <pygi> Don't wanna say some things because of logs, altought I think that persons who I'm reffering tho can't/arent capable of finding them :)
[08:41] <sbalneav> pygi: Well, you have to function within the parameters of your environment.  Refusing to work on windows is definitely going to hurt you.  But maybe giving your teacher a live edubuntu CD, and asking him/her to look at it, or inviting them by the channel is a positive way to make that first small step.
[08:41] <pygi> sbalneav: refusing to work on windows will hurt me, perhaps. But just for now ^_^
[08:42] <sbalneav> Life is like the Free Software model.  Sometimes you can make huge changes, and sometimes, just making nice, small improvements is good too.
[08:42] <pygi> highvoltage: was thinking about blogging, but we don't wanna make people fail exams 'cause of that, no? :)
[08:42] <LaserJock> boy, Scotty's all philosophical today
[08:42] <pygi> sbalneav: make windows crash often, word is crashing, everything ^_^
[08:43] <pygi> => Linux ^_^
[08:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you been watching Forest Gump lately? ;-)
[08:43] <sbalneav> Anywho, your studies are most important.  As the old saying goes, "If you think Education is expensive, try ignorance" :)
[08:43] <sbalneav> Nah, I've always been pretty zen.
[08:43] <pygi> sbalneav: I'll fail my studies anyway :P
[08:44] <Brian_> Hi.  New user of edubuntu, and I have permissions question.
[08:44] <sbalneav> Brian_: Sure.
[08:44] <highvoltage> Brian_: you have permission to ask
[08:44] <Brian_> I'm trying to download some additional plugins for childsplay, and cannot unpack a tgz because I do not have permissions.
[08:44] <Brian_> lol, thanks for the permission.
[08:44] <Brian_> Is there a root user?
[08:44] <pygi> Brian_: dont we have packages? :)
[08:45] <pygi> Brian_: there is "sudo" :)
[08:45] <highvoltage> Brian_: how do you currenlty untar it? with the tar command?
[08:45] <sbalneav> try "sudo tar xzvf some-package.tar.gz"
[08:45] <highvoltage> Brian_: you can just add sudo before the command
[08:45] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: sudo
[08:45] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: huh?
[08:45] <highvoltage> egh
[08:45] <highvoltage> !sudo
[08:45] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:45] <Brian_> there is a package for childsplay, but not for the plugins
[08:45] <sbalneav> Who's hosting edubuntugirl?
[08:45] <Brian_> Oh, okay
[08:45] <highvoltage> sbalneav: me at the moment
[08:45] <sbalneav> Have you got stable internet?
[08:46] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes, for the last two weeks now :)
[08:46] <highvoltage> and it seems permanently now
[08:46] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I'm quite delighted, after going nearly 13 months without any good internet at home
[08:46] <pips1> guys is the information https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes still relevant/correct for the dapper -> edgy upgrade ?
[08:46] <sbalneav> If you need somewhere else to host it, let me know.  I'll give you an account on my box.  I host 2 other bots :)
[08:47] <sbalneav> pips1: let me see
[08:47] <pygi> pips1: should be ^_^
[08:47] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ok great. I'm happy to have her close by, but if (God forbid) I've have to go without Internet again, I'd certainly like to make use of that
[08:47] <sbalneav> pips1: seems reasonable.
[08:48] <sbalneav> However, super safe way would be:
[08:48] <sbalneav> mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.old && ltsp-build-client
[08:48] <sbalneav> highvoltage: is she a supybot?
[08:49] <highvoltage> sbalneav: she's a Knab
[08:49] <pips1> sbalneav: you mean moving it, instead of deleting the old LTSP client root?
[08:49] <highvoltage> sbalneav: similar to supybot, but perl based
[08:49] <sbalneav> sure
[08:50] <sbalneav> why not keep the old one,  juuuuuuust in case :)
[08:50] <sbalneav> At least untul you know the new one works.
[08:50] <pips1> right
[08:50] <sbalneav> then, you can rm -rf /opt/ltsp.ord
[08:50] <sbalneav> old
[08:51] <sbalneav> Otherwise, getting back to "where you were" is as simple as a mv ...old to ...
[08:51] <pips1> ok, I'll do a test first anyway, before I do the upgrade on my demo machine
[08:51] <highvoltage> sbalneav: have you ever thought about doing an ltsp without a chroot?
[08:52] <sbalneav> Well, that would basically be the fat-client spec.  
[08:52] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I've put in some thought to it, and it can be done, but it has some security problems :/
[08:52] <highvoltage> sbalneav: well, you can do a real thin client too without a chroot
[08:52] <sbalneav> right, and the chroot is what gets around that.
[08:52] <highvoltage> ok
[08:53] <sbalneav> Sure, bindmounting a bunch of stuff around would fix it, but it just gets messy fast.
[08:53] <highvoltage> yep.
[08:53] <sbalneav> The chroot keeps it conceptually simpler.
[08:54] <pips1> have a good time in the remains of the release day everyone! cu
[08:54] <highvoltage> it's just something I like to think about. with better authentication and newer systems, it might be able to do it securely one day. and if it can bring down maintenance and complication, I think it might be good to implement some day. I'm really just thinking aloud. I should be reading the packaging guide...
[08:54] <highvoltage> bye pips1! thanks for everything!
[08:55] <pips1> thanks to you!
[08:55] <pips1> you guys rock :)
[09:02] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma sbalneav
[09:02] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: sbalneav has karma of 1
[09:02] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma ogra
[09:02] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: ogra has karma of 1
[09:02] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: ogra++
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma ogra
[09:03] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: ogra has karma of 2
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: highvoltage++
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: LaserJock
[09:03] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock is Jordan Mantha
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: LaserJock++
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: pygi++
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: nixternal++
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: cbx33++
[09:03] <pygi> sbalneav: it's ignoring me :)
[09:03] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: karma pygi
[09:03] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: pygi has karma of 2
[09:04] <sbalneav> Nope
[09:04] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[09:04] <sbalneav> Have I forgotton anyone?
[09:04] <highvoltage> RichEd
[09:04] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: RichEd++
[09:04] <pygi> what are karma points anyway for? :P
[09:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco
[09:04] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: jsgotangco++
[09:04] <sbalneav> Tells you who's winning :)
[09:04] <highvoltage> pygi: they make you become something better in your next life :)
[09:05] <nixternal> i love bots
[09:05] <sbalneav> hmm
[09:05] <pygi> highvoltage: can I become a butterfly, pls, pls, pls ^_^
[09:05] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: highvoltage+=10
[09:05] <edubuntugirl> sbalneav: Factoid has too many alternatives, I don't know which to append to!
[09:05] <nixternal> one called me gay yesterday...i never felt so proud
[09:05] <pygi> nixternal: hehe ^_^
[09:06] <highvoltage> nixternal: that guy called everyone in every channel gay
[09:06] <sbalneav> Float like a butterfy, sting like a bee.
[09:06] <nixternal> well, we are gay, meaning happy now that 6.10 is out ;)
[09:07] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, the UDS is awfully close to San Fransisco too, maybe there was some confusion there
[09:07] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:07] <nixternal> dude, that went right over my head until i re read it, and understood the "San Fran" thing
[09:08] <nixternal> i almost responded with a ???
[09:09] <LaserJock> heh
[09:10] <LaserJock> I just saw a show the other night about a documentary coming out about people jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge
[09:10] <LaserJock> very sad
[09:11] <nixternal> ya i seen that too
[09:11] <nixternal> on 20/20
[09:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:11] <nixternal> that was nuts to see people just jump like it was nothing
[09:11] <nixternal> im so affraid of heights i would die before i even attempted to jump
[09:11] <LaserJock> and I've been under the bridge on a boat before too
[09:11] <nixternal> ya me too
[09:12] <nixternal> on the USS Nimitz as a matter of fact
[09:12] <LaserJock> cool
[09:12] <nixternal> I went out for a DeCom Cruise on it
[09:12] <LaserJock> oh that would be interesting
[09:12] <nixternal> boring, but it was fun
[09:12] <nixternal> got to watch Harriers land at sea
[09:13] <nixternal> i worked on Destroyers, with the MK45 gun mounts..so i was into blowing stuff up
[09:13] <nixternal> mostly just old ships and wooden barrels
[09:14] <nixternal> and by accident a French Destroyer, but that wasn't me, that was the Marines on that goof
[09:14] <LaserJock> haha
[09:14] <LaserJock> how big is a MK45 ?
[09:15] <nixternal> 5" radius shell
[09:15] <nixternal> dia rather
[09:15] <LaserJock> yeah, that's a little more then you're average gun ;-)
[09:16] <LaserJock>  *your
[09:16] <nixternal> hehe, 54 caliber
[09:16] <nixternal> 270" barrel
[09:16] <edubuntugirl> test
[09:16] <nixternal> you failed
[09:16] <edubuntugirl> sorry...
[09:17] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: it'll be ok
[09:17] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: *blink*
[09:17] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: no really, everything is ok :-)
[09:17] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: sure thing
[09:18] <nixternal> hehe
[09:18] <sbalneav> This conversation sounds scarily like conversations I had with women in high school :)
[09:23] <nixternal> talking about guns sbalneav? ;)
[09:24] <highvoltage> ok, edubuntugirl is going one last time (sorry, doing some adjustments)
[09:25] <nixternal> what is her purpose?
[09:26] <nixternal> haha, what is her goal in life?
[09:27] <highvoltage> hmmm... that's not right
[09:28] <nixternal> lol
[09:39] <LaserJock> finally ;-)
[09:39] <edubuntugirl> I'll still have to leave and come back again when Nalioth is done setting up my cloak :-/
[09:40] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: you need a cloak?
[09:40] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: sorry...
[09:40] <LaserJock> never mind edubuntugirl 
[09:41] <highvoltage> bots on freenoad are supposed to have cloaks showing that they are
[09:41] <highvoltage> wow. strange typo.
[09:47] <nixternal> lol
[09:52] <LaserJock> wow, she's an op even
[09:53] <highvoltage> I think I made a terrible mistake with the linking
[09:53] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:53] <LaserJock> she's now you
[09:53] <LaserJock> you've become one
[09:53] <highvoltage> ok, she's unlinked...
[09:54] <highvoltage> shew
[10:18] <frandavid100> hi guys
[10:20] <highvoltage> hey frandavid100 
[10:21] <edubuntugirl> this is the last time I do this, I promise
[10:21] <frandavid100> anyone interested in the cafe modification of the student control panel?
[10:21] <sbalneav> Yep
[10:21] <sbalneav> Lots of people want it.
[10:22] <frandavid100> I just filed a spec, you might want to take a look
[10:22] <frandavid100> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/cafebuntu
[10:23] <frandavid100> please add anything you consider useful
[10:23] <frandavid100> gotta leave for a while, see you later!
[10:23] <Burgwork> sbalneav: I suggested to frandavid100 in -devel that he make that spec informational, a break out the various pieces into implementation specs
[10:24] <sbalneav> Sure.
[10:24] <sbalneav> frandavid100: You going to be at mountainview?
[10:36] <floydwilde> Is there a way to setup a template user account err something 
[10:38] <sbalneav> Define "template user account"?  Are you wanting some default files in the home dir?  Or are you looking for default settings for desktops?
[10:39] <sbalneav> If it's the former, drop goodies in /etc/skel (for skeleton, ooooh, scary)
[10:39] <sbalneav> and if it's the latter, you'll be wanting Sabayon.
[10:40] <floydwilde> default settings for desktops, that one
[10:40] <frandavid100> hi again guys
[10:41] <frandavid100> sorry sbalneav, I don't know what MTV is, I'll have to check it out
[10:41] <floydwilde> I want firefox to have the same bookmarks for every account?
[10:41] <Burgwork> sbalneav: /etc/skel should be managed by sabayon
[10:41] <sbalneav> heh
[10:41] <sbalneav> that's always a toughie.
[10:41] <floydwilde> Also the same desktop would be nice
[10:41] <Burgwork> frandavid100: mtv is the next ubuntu development summit in mountainview
[10:42] <Burgwork> floydwilde: for that, you need sabayon
[10:42] <Burgwork> except it does do firefox
[10:42] <Burgwork> why not use ephy?
[10:42] <nixternal> floydwilde is alive!   i shall see you sunday bud!
[10:42] <sbalneav> how we handle that is with a default homepage, that has all the links we want on it.
[10:42] <sbalneav> and as for the default desktop, Sabayon will do what you want.
[10:42] <floydwilde> ehh there are only about 7, 8, or 10 or something accounts 
[10:42] <floydwilde> Hi nixternal!
[10:43] <floydwilde> oh is Sabayon an app?  
[10:44] <sbalneav> Yes it is.
[10:44] <Burgwork> yes, an app to create and modify stuff
[10:44] <floydwilde> ok im googling
[10:44] <Burgwork> http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/
[10:44] <Burgwork> save you time
[10:45] <floydwilde> ohh looping bookmarks sounds fun
[10:49] <nixternal> Sabayon is a Linux distro based off of Kubuntu I thought, just with all the pretty eye candy installed ;)
[10:49] <Burgwork> nixternal: actually sabayon the distro is newer than sabayon the product
[10:49] <Burgwork> not to mention it is based of Gentoo
[10:50] <nixternal> ok, i knew there was a debian connection somehow with it
[10:50] <Burgwork> umm
[10:51] <Burgwork> gentooo is not debian
[10:51] <Burgwork> there is no debian connection
[10:51] <nixternal> derr..i just now noticed you said Gentoo ;)
[10:51] <nixternal> lol
[10:52] <Burgwork> nixternal: them chicago smog is killin yer brain
[10:52] <nixternal> is that what that is?  i thought gray sunny days were natural, or maybe i was going color blind
[10:52] <highvoltage> there's a debian package called gentoo though
[10:53] <Burgwork> and it is the example for the debian packaging guide
[10:53] <Burgwork> just to make things very confused
[10:53] <highvoltage> Burgwork: indeed :)
[10:53] <stgraber> yes, the debian package called gentoo is a file manager
[10:54] <highvoltage> and it is :)
[10:54] <floydwilde> is sabayon already installed or do i need to get it?
[10:54] <sbalneav> You'll need to install it.
[10:55] <sbalneav> Add the universe repositories in Software Sources under Administration, then use Synaptic to install Sabayon.
[10:55] <floydwilde> I just apt-get'ed it
[10:55] <floydwilde> it's a python app? 
[10:55] <Burgwork> yep
[10:56] <floydwilde> cool