[12:15] <fdoving> Riddell: just tested an upgrade with adept, and that fails. Adept says it encounterd a problem, i click OK in the warning dialog. and adept closes. now adept is uninstalled and we have a bunch of unconfigured packages :| - i guess that's something we would have to make a guide on how to fix. since users tend to not read documentation or ask for help unless they have a problem. and it is likely they come asking for help when their system is in th
[12:16] <fdoving> (that was an full upgrade, as described on the EdgyUpdate wiki)
[12:19] <Riddell> we should scrap that section
[12:20] <Riddell> doing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3  does a successful upgrade to edgy for me
[12:21] <fdoving> does that install all of xorg and all the new python modules? no more packages to upgrade? 
[12:21] <Riddell> hmm, it doesn't install upstart
[12:22] <Riddell> it does install all the X and python stuff though, that's brought in by kubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <Riddell> mm, I do still have stuff kept back
[12:24] <fdoving> what is your output of 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' ? 
[12:24] <fdoving> that'll tell you what's kept back.
[12:26] <Riddell> lots of python bits
[12:26] <fdoving> yes, that's probably what i install with the evil hack: "apt-get -u dist-upgrade|grep ^' '|xargs apt-get -y install "
[12:27] <mhb> sorry for not testing but after another 45 minutes I give up :oI 
[12:28] <Riddell> mhb: still rsyncing?
[12:28] <kwwii> Riddell: could you revert both the css file and php file in your http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/newer/ to the old versions?
[12:28] <mhb> yes ... I fear I exceeded my bandwidth limit so they cut my connection to some 128kbit or so
[12:29] <Riddell> kwwii: the pgp hasn't changed
[12:29] <Riddell> php
[12:29] <kwwii> Riddell: one of the php files should have been changed too
[12:29] <mhb> good night, then ...
[12:29] <kwwii> masthead2.css, I guess
[12:30] <fdoving> nite mhb.
[12:30] <kwwii> night mhb
[12:30] <kwwii> hehe
[12:30] <kwwii> that is css
[12:30] <kwwii>  not php
[12:30] <kwwii> sorry
[12:30] <kwwii> then two css files
[12:30] <kwwii> ubuntu.css and that one
[12:30] <kwwii> I need to know where I messed up the pics as compared to where I messed up the css
[12:30] <Riddell> kwwii: done
[12:31] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:31] <kwwii> thanks
[12:33] <kwwii> cool, as I thought, I messed up the css more than the pics themselves
[12:33] <kwwii> thanks again, fixes coming
[12:35] <neoncode> Is it 
[12:36] <neoncode> damn, sorry. I hit enter by mistake.
[12:38] <fdoving> I have to go to bed. see you all tomorrow. good nite.
[12:39] <Riddell> fdoving: night, thanks for your help
[12:51] <Riddell> ubuntu artwork feels not much different
[12:52] <Riddell> interestingly Tango seems to have gained icons for a bunch of kde apps
[12:53] <kwwii> well, the gnome theme is pretty complete so now jimmac is working on kde
[12:54] <Riddell> joy
[12:54] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you might want to ban @87.112.21.19.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net before he gets here
[12:59] <kwwii> hahaha
[12:59] <kwwii> the stupidest mistake of all
[12:59] <kwwii> I forgot to put # in my sed before the new colors
[01:01] <Riddell> gnomefreak: there's a staff member on now
[01:01] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:01] <Riddell> gnomefreak: /msg them and report what's been happening
[01:01] <gnomefreak> k
[01:10] <kwwii> Riddell: sorry to bother, but could you update with the new bazaar.launchpad.net/~kwwii/kubuntu-default-settings/webtest ?
[01:19] <Riddell> kwwii: that doesn't seem to have your changes
[01:19] <Riddell> kwwii: did you do bzr commit then bzr push?
[01:19] <kwwii> hrm, I just did the same command as before
[01:19] <kwwii> hehe
[01:20] <kwwii> I did not do the commit first
[01:21] <kwwii> Riddell: it should be there now
[01:21] <kwwii> although bzr said "This transport does not update the working tree of: sftp://kwwii@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekwwii/kubuntu-default-settings/webtest/"
[01:22] <kwwii> bzr is a bit different than I thought
[01:23] <Riddell> kwwii: kubuntu-website not k-d-s
[01:23] <kwwii> hehe
[01:23] <kwwii> damn, copied that link again from an email
[01:23] <kwwii> sorry
[01:23] <kwwii> getting late
[01:28] <kwwii> ok, I think I did it right this time
[01:29] <kwwii> although it still said "This transport does not update the working tree of: sftp://kwwii@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekwwii/kubuntu-website/webtest/"
[01:30] <Riddell> that warning is fine
[01:31] <kwwii> then the changes should be there now
[01:33] <Riddell> kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/new/new2/webtest/
[01:33] <Riddell> lovely
[01:35] <kwwii> better, at least
[02:14] <lexual> Are there any packages what will give debuggin symbols for kaffeine?
[02:16] <Riddell> lexual: no
[02:17] <lexual> bummer.
[02:18] <Riddell> lexual: actually you could investigate these http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/pool/main/k/kaffeine/
[02:18] <lexual> looks like debian has a package we could pinch packages.debian.org/kaffeine-dbg
[02:19] <Riddell> that ddeb should work
[02:22] <lexual> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kaffeine-dbg:
[02:22] <lexual>  kaffeine-dbg depends on kaffeine (= 0.8.2-2); however:
[02:22] <lexual>   Version of kaffeine on system is 0.8.2-0ubuntu2.
[02:24] <nixternal_> hola slackers
[02:26] <Riddell> bah
[02:26] <nixternal_> hehe
[02:27] <nixternal_> im sittin' here in school learning, well not paying attention..time to do some work
[02:27] <Riddell> lexual: use the ddeb I pointed you to
[02:27] <Riddell> I've been stuck in my cupboard all day testing every install configuration possible on three architectures
[02:27] <Riddell> I don't need to take this insolence, I'm going out for a jog!
[02:27] <nixternal_> lol
[02:28] <Jucato> hehe
[02:28] <nixternal_> i will start working more on the release notes now, poke me if you need me ;)
[02:28] <Jucato> take care, Riddell! :)
[02:29] <lexual> cool, misunderstood which deb you meant, I'll try a daily image later on this day too.
[02:30] <kwwii> Riddell: http://sinecera.de/edgy_release_idea.png
[02:30] <kwwii> pick the best, cut it out and have fun
[02:30] <kwwii> the middle is probably the bets
[02:30] <kwwii> best
[02:31] <lexual> what's the difference between 1 & 2?
[02:32] <nixternal_> argh, i forgot to open up my ssh to home ;(
[02:34] <Jucato> kwwii: just a question about the Edgy color scheme... while I'm using the correct color scheme, kubuntuColors isn't on the list in System Settings. is this normal?
[02:36] <kwwii> hrm? what is the name of the current sheme then?
[02:36] <Jucato> "Current Scheme"
[02:37] <Jucato> this is an upgrade to Edgy from an absolutely fresh Dapper install
[02:37] <kwwii> sounds like we set that to default for this release
[02:37] <kwwii> only
[02:37] <kwwii> no idea, really
[02:37] <Jucato> ah ok. just asking :)
[02:38] <kwwii> sorry i could not give you a better answer
[02:39] <Jucato> nah it's ok. it's not that critical anyway (I think) :)
[02:40] <kwwii> cool
[02:41] <kwwii> Riddell: if you already downloaded that pic, do it again, I put it on a transparent bg in case you wanted to do somethin to it
[02:41] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[02:41] <nixternal_> g'nite kwwii!
[02:41] <Jucato> sweet dreams kwwii!
[02:41] <kwwii> see you in 8 hours
[02:41] <kwwii> :p
[03:18] <nixternal_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release   >> Check out the "Accessibility Profiles" information I just added. I understand them now ;)
[03:19] <Jucato> nixternal_: I think there's one piece of info that really needs to be included in the release notes... KubuntuKDEMedia (.hidden-root)
[03:20] <nixternal_> if Riddell says so, but what you see right now, has already been decided, topic wise, by him
[03:20] <Jucato> oh...
[03:20] <Jucato> hm... unless there's a doc/wiki page we can point users to about this, this might not be good...
[03:22] <nixternal_> this is for the kubuntu.org release page
[03:22] <nixternal_> we want to sell Kubuntu 6.10 with this page, every little thing, unfortunately isn't going to make it
[03:22] <Jucato> I gues so... just asking anyway :)
[03:24] <lexual> nixternal: where do you access the accessibility profiles?
[03:24] <nixternal_> i have no clue ;)
[03:24] <nixternal_> hahahah
[03:24] <nixternal_> so i guess i don't understand it 100%
[03:24] <nixternal_> actually, they are in system settings
[03:25] <nixternal_> oh wait...the profiles are available when you boot from the cd and you get the "Install Kubuntu" opetions, you press F5? and you will get the profiles
[03:26] <lexual> nixternal: ok
[03:27] <nixternal_> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:27] <lexual> nixternal: a tip on the release notes. The screenshots should also be links to larger versions of the *.png files so user can see them in more detail.
[03:27] <nixternal_> they will be
[03:27] <nixternal_> that isn't the release page, that is my staging area
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal_ 
[03:27] <nixternal_> the release page will be in k.o/announcements when it is all said and done
[03:27] <lexual> nixternal: perhaps a note that the accessibility profiles are a install thing.
[03:27] <Jucato> morning Hobbsee! :)
[03:27] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:27] <nixternal_> boo bddebian!
[03:27] <nixternal_> ;)
[03:28] <bddebian> :)
[03:28] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:28] <nixternal_> im guessiing there is probably a <boo> sitting in #ubuntu-bugs right now
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya Jucato, Hobbsee
[03:28] <nixternal_> omg this class is boring
[03:28] <bddebian> nixternal_: But of course :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:30] <freeflying|away> Hi all
[03:30] <nixternal_> hi freeflying!
[03:31] <nixternal_> away!
[03:31] <nixternal_> ;)
[03:31] <freeflying|away> nixternal_:  :)
[03:35] <nixternal_> man, the accessibility profiles needs some real documentation done..this is something of value, and htere is absolutely no "decent" documentation on it
[03:35] <Riddell> nixternal_: looking good
[03:36] <nixternal_> i always look good man
[03:36] <nixternal_> oh..the page..sorry ;)
[03:36] <Riddell> both I'm sure
[03:36] <nixternal_> im going to fancy up some words later on ;)
[03:36] <nixternal_> get that "crimsun" touch ;)
[03:36] <Hawkwind> LOL nixternal_
[03:37] <nixternal_> you know...thats what the chicks do to me as well...they look and then they LOL..all capital like too
[03:46] <ryanakca> umm... point 9. "Confirm that privilege escalation by password (kdesu) works as expected". No prompt popped up... straight to adept... the rest passed... this is on the Live CD (not installed)
[03:47] <ryanakca> Do I add "ryanakca: FAILED" to Kubuntu Desktop CD, live session 
[03:47] <ryanakca> or do I add "ryanakca: PASSED" or do I have it all wrong?
[03:48] <ajmitch> ryanakca: well the live cd shouldn't have a password set
[03:48] <ajmitch> afaik
[03:48] <ryanakca> ajmitch: no.. it doesn't
[03:48] <ryanakca> but even if I set it, nothing shows up :)
[03:48] <ajmitch> so it should just run everything without asking for a password
[03:48] <ajmitch> right..
[03:48] <ryanakca> kk
[03:48] <ryanakca> so what do I do?
[03:49] <ryanakca> ignore it because it's probably ment to be? or mark it down?
[03:49] <ryanakca> s/ment/meant
[03:49] <ajmitch> if you run something, set a password, and run something with sudo again with 15 minutes, it won't ask you for a password still
[03:49] <ryanakca> ah, good point
[03:49] <ryanakca> ok, I'll just mark it as P
[03:49] <ryanakca> PASS
[03:52] <ryanakca> g'night!
[03:52] <nixternal_> ARGH
[03:58] <nixternal_> time to go home!
[03:58] <nixternal_> cya in 45
[04:51] <lexual> Just did a daily amd64 kubuntu install. Only 2 issues: #58503 and #64408
[05:07] <orkid__> 610?
[05:09] <orkid__> gueesso
[05:12] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:12] <Jucato> wb nixternal!
[05:12] <nixternal> why thank you
[05:12] <Jucato> :)
[07:06] <suddse> So guys, I'm trying to compile kuickshow. I keep getting error Unknown CMake command "kde4_automoc". when I run cmake . : ( I've installed all of the KDE dev packages, and can compile Amarok and other things.
[07:20] <orkid__> check #kde4-devel
[08:28] <nixternal> can somebody review http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kubuntu/announcements/6.10-release.php   please!  suggestions, comments, and/or concerns are welcomed
[08:30] <Jucato> reviewing...
[08:30] <nixternal> ty sir
[08:30] <Jucato> :)
[08:30] <nixternal> the bottom part, the "Upgrading from 6.06 LTS" runs into my "Feedback" section, I am fixing htat now ;)
[08:31] <crimsun> "Kubuntu 6.10 brings to this release a bit of edgy'ness" needs to read "Kubuntu 6.10 brings a bit of edgyness"
[08:31] <crimsun> (italics stripped)
[08:32] <Jucato> but without the italics, it should be "edginess" right?
[08:32] <crimsun> no need for a comma following environment here: "environment, featuring some of today's leading"
[08:32] <crimsun> Jucato: deliberate play on 'edgy'
[08:32] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[08:33] <nixternal> crimsun: you are my hero!
[08:33] <crimsun> no need for a comma following technology here: "technology, in order to be the foundation"
[08:34] <crimsun> no need for a comma following succeeded: "succeeded, and are"
[08:34] <crimsun> likewise here: "new, in Kubuntu 6.10"
[08:35] <crimsun> strip the articles ('the') here for parallel structure: "combines the ease of use, the contemporary functionality,"
[08:35] <Jucato> no need for "the" in "combines the ease of use" and "the contemporary functionality"  ??
[08:35] <Jucato> lol...
[08:35] <crimsun> same comma issue here: "system, in order to provide"
[08:35] <crimsun> same comma issue here: "release, and is installed"
[08:36] <Jucato> ooh lots of commas :O
[08:36] <nixternal> no doubt
[08:36] <nixternal> it is 1:30am ;)
[08:36] <crimsun> missing full stop after collections: "by custom collections"
[08:36] <nixternal> that's my story, and im sticking to it
[08:37] <crimsun> need plural "users" here to match number: "allows the user to select various functions to control the power of their portable"
[08:38] <crimsun> no need for a comma or 'then' here: "questions, and then upload the details"
[08:39] <nixternal> that should be uploads then
[08:39] <nixternal> s/upload/uploads
[08:39] <nixternal> nm
[08:39] <nixternal> no it doesn't ;)
[08:40] <crimsun> "This allows the members in the community who triage and support, to decide the route needed in order to solve an issue that may rise" is better phrased as "This helps bug triagers in resolving hardware-specific issues that may rise"
[08:40] <orkid__> cdrimsun: i think you're wrong with the plural...
[08:41] <orkid__> but i haven't seen the full text.
[08:41] <orkid__> their should be his/her (or his... or her)
[08:41] <crimsun> yes, but I'm attempting to avoid gender specifics, as his/her is unwieldy
[08:41] <orkid__> (so you're not wrong, but i'd suggest keeping user, and changing their. (ooh ahh)
[08:42] <orkid__> ahh gender specifics and political correctness. pC is bullocks. everyone knows (unless they have nothing better to do than nitpick) that his  (or her's) means his/hers and is applicable to both genders . but anyway
[08:43] <crimsun> "Zeroconf, or zero configuration, provide" needs to use 'provides'.
[08:43] <orkid__> its 242am here , so don't complain :)
[08:43] <nixternal> s/provide a/provides the ???
[08:43] <orkid__> btw, been running edgy for a while. just installed ubuntu-desktop, cahnged into it (gnome) and noticed that firefox is faster at rendering pages (really weird).
[08:43] <crimsun> (orkid__: of course I know, but the '/' tends to interrupt flow)
[08:44] <crimsun> nixternal: s/provides/gives/
[08:44] <orkid__> crimsun: that's why most just use 'his' (for user) or 'her' (for user). one or the other
[08:44] <crimsun> orkid__: I'm aware of that. :)
[08:44] <nixternal> tech writing 101 says, do not use his nor her in technical documentation
[08:44] <orkid__> the firefox speed difference is interesting.
[08:45] <orkid__> yeah, you could use 'one's'
[08:45] <orkid__> lol
[08:45] <nixternal> hehe
[08:45] <crimsun> again, it's the interruption that is most important.
[08:45] <crimsun> "similar to Zeroconf," can be removed
[08:46] <orkid__> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/
[08:46] <orkid__> seems like the real deal, ... (per filenames) eve nthough the descriptions still say RC..... they were added oct 25th
[08:47] <crimsun> "This provides a user the accessibility features" needs to s/a user/users/
[08:47] <crimsun> comma issue with "system, but"
[08:48] <orkid__> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; echo "done" :)
[08:48] <orkid__> i'm off. l8r
[08:48] <crimsun> "System settings are broken down now into two categories, the main category" needs to be separate sentences.
[08:49] <crimsun> comma issue with "System Settings, is the General" 
[08:49] <crimsun> _need_ a comma after settings here: "settings and the second"
[08:50] <crimsun> s/are/is/ here: "category are the Advanced"
[08:50] <crimsun> s/No/Not/ here: "No only can you use Kubuntu"
[08:50] <crimsun> comma issue here: "Software (FOSS), available"
[08:52] <crimsun> "Advantages of this software is that it is absolutely..." is better phrased as "Advantages of this software include being absolutely free of charge, being free to modify, and being free to copy and distribute..."
[08:53] <crimsun> comma issue here: "language packs, for faster integration"
[08:53] <crimsun> (that second point under Localization makes the third redundant, btw)
[08:54] <nixternal> im fixing as you go along..not ignoring you ;)
[08:54] <crimsun> "previous release simplifying common Linux server" is better as "previous release and simplifies common Linux server"
[08:55] <crimsun> no need for commas after "RAM" in the system requirements
[08:55] <crimsun> s/try try/to try/ here: "desktop CD allows you try try Kubuntu"
[08:56] <crimsun> comma issue: "actual CD image, and will be downloaded"
[08:57] <crimsun> comma issue: "network, by doing what is referred"
[08:58] <crimsun> need a comma after Kubuntu: "For more information about Kubuntu visit our website"
[08:58] <crimsun> (that's it.)
[08:58] <nixternal> thanks buddy!
[08:58] <nixternal> once again, you come to my aide
[08:59] <Jucato> whew....
[08:59] <nixternal> refresh the page, and it should be fixed ;)
[09:00] <Jucato> um... is there any ETA for edgy?
[09:00] <crimsun> sometime on the 26th [for some timezone] 
[09:01] <nixternal> today
[09:01] <Jucato> heheh yeah waiting... :(
[09:01] <nixternal> or tomorrow if you are in hawaii
[09:01] <nixternal> or further west
[09:01] <Jucato> philippines...
[09:01] <Jucato> waaaay east
[09:05] <nixternal> hehe
[09:06] <Jucato> er.. www.ubuntu.com says 6.10 is released?
[09:07] <Jucato> ah nvm... just an advertisement I guess
[09:09] <emonkey> Is a is there a dragft of the release notes for kubuntu like ubuntu? If it is, we could translate it for the german site...
[09:09] <emonkey> s/dragft/draft/
[09:09] <nixternal> yes emonkey
[09:10] <nixternal> do you want the images as well?
[09:10] <emonkey> nixternal, tha would be great
[09:10] <nixternal> i will tar them up and get them to you, msg me your email address
[09:10] <emonkey> thzank so much
[09:11] <nixternal> bah
[09:13] <nixternal> emonkey: that is a 1.5mb tar.bz2, so i am uploading it to my server...the link is http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kubuntu_release_page.tar.bz2
[09:14] <emonkey> nixternal, thanks again, I'll start to translate immediately. :)
[09:14] <nixternal> thanks alot emonkey for that!
[09:15] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kubuntu_release_page.tar.bz2
[09:15] <nixternal> ^^ thar she be sir!
[09:16] <Jucato> thar she blows
[09:16] <nixternal> hehe
[09:16] <nixternal> did he ever goto bed or is he still out jogging?
[09:16] <nixternal> lol
[09:16] <Jucato> nixternal: you really are great :)
[09:16] <Jucato> lol
[09:16] <Jucato> I came back, I think...
[09:17] <nixternal> no no, Riddell went out for a job earlier as he was exhausted from testing..don't remember him coming back ;)
[09:18] <Jucato> er.. 
[09:18] <Jucato> s/I/he
[09:18] <Jucato> darn...
[09:18] <nixternal> lol
[09:18] <crimsun> a job, eh? A real masochist.
[09:18] <Jucato> s/job/jog
[09:18] <crimsun> ;-)
[09:20] <imbrandon> heya guys ( and ladies if any awake )
[09:20] <Jucato> yeah he came back about an hour after, I guess
[09:20] <Jucato> hi imbrandon!
[09:20] <nixternal> gahaha
[09:20] <nixternal> i meant a jog ;)
[09:20] <nixternal> doh
[09:20] <nixternal> you callin' me a lady damnit!
[09:21] <imbrandon> i dident call you anything, you put your self in a category :)
[09:22] <Jucato> or in this case, in the parenthesis :)
[09:22] <nixternal> oh..man, someone in -meeting said i was gay, and now im referring to myself as a lady...maybe dad is right, i need that skirt ;)
[09:22] <Jucato> @_@
[09:23] <nixternal> they made fun of the "tech kilt"
[09:24] <Jucato> imbrandon: I have a question about KubuntuKDEMedia, is it an okay time to ask?
[09:24] <imbrandon> Jucato, sure
[09:25] <Jucato> imbrandon: some people still seem to be mounting stuff in /mnt rather in /media. how does that affect the new system? specially in Amarok, where only /home and /media are seen
[09:25] <Jucato> oh, and the Storage Media in Konqueror's Navigation Panel (sidebar) still goes to media:/
[09:27] <imbrandon> well if they are mounting it in /mnt , then they are not doing it the automatic way, they are doing something via the command line thus they can edit the .hidden file to their liking , second .... it dosent effect amarok at all, they just type /mnt instead of /media
[09:27] <imbrandon> and the storage media pannels should have been trimed down, on new installes they are, if they are still there on upgrade then its a bug
[09:28] <imbrandon> s/trimmed down/removed
[09:28] <Jucato> imbrandon: in Amarok Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Collection. how do you add /mnt ?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where is .hidden?
[09:28] <Jucato> Hi Hobbsee!
[09:28] <Jucato> in /
[09:28] <imbrandon> hobbsee in /
[09:28] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[09:28] <Jucato> it's a symlink to /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root
[09:29] <imbrandon> Jucato, you dont, you edit the hidden, but realy should be be encourged to use /media as thats what everything is setup for, the only reason to use /mnt is if they are old old old old school linux and refuse to update
[09:29] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:30] <imbrandon> Jucato, so basicly its a non-issue , or should be a non-issue
[09:30] <crimsun> btw, nice work on Kubuntu, all.
[09:30] <Jucato> imbrandon: so in that case, if they created something in /mnt, they should edit .hidden so that it will appear everywhere else?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> crimsun: when does feist open?  :P
[09:30] <Hobbsee> s/feist/feisty/
[09:30] <crimsun> now now now!
[09:30] <Jucato> imbrandon: should be. unfortunately, for some, it might be...
[09:30] <nixternal> crimsun: do you think we should have some info in that release page aobut "upstart" ?
[09:30] <nixternal> i think everyone has forgotten about upstart
[09:30] <nixternal> it isn't even in the ubuntu release page
[09:30] <imbrandon> Jucato, correct, or just do it the recomended way in /media so contect menus work as expected etc ( for unmounting etc )
[09:31] <crimsun> nixternal: it's in the EdgyReleaseNotes
[09:31] <Jucato> is KubuntuKDEMedia also in the Edgy release notes?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yay!  so can i upload there????
[09:31] <imbrandon> that page shouldent be, thats a development page, but a summery should be
[09:32] <crimsun> wee, sure! granted you might get a REJECT, but sure!
[09:32] <Jucato> err yeah, a summary for it :)
[09:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: I'm just relaying some "concerns" that were brought up in the place where you don't like to go. just trying to gather their questions
[09:33] <imbrandon> crimsun, i thought -updates and -security and such was gonna be opened this round when the RC freeze took effect ( thinking about the nvidia drivers that need to goto -security released last week )
[09:33] <crimsun> imbrandon: no idea.
[09:33] <crimsun> granted -backports was supposed to be open at feat freeze.
[09:34] <imbrandon> yea , i thought it was all part of the same disscussion, but that would require us to upload directly to -backports
[09:38] <crimsun> we can
[09:38] <imbrandon> ahh i thought that was frowned on
[09:39] <crimsun> nope, but I don't think anyone has done it yet.
[09:39] <imbrandon> ahh cool, well amarok 1.4.4 comes out in a few days , i might try it with that first
[09:39] <imbrandon> would be a good "test canidate"
[09:39] <imbrandon> becosue it will be out before the feisty repos open
[09:40] <Jucato> ooh :)
[09:40] <imbrandon> Jucato, hehe well it was released once already ( to packagers ) then halted and pushed back, so it should be "soon"
[09:41] <imbrandon> its tagged in svn for weeks now though 
[09:41] <Jucato> ah... they pushed back?
[09:41] <imbrandon> well not pushed it back, just umm. well yea pushed it back
[09:42] <imbrandon> really they released it then un-released it before the public got it :)
[09:42] <Jucato> lol
[09:42] <two-face> HI
[09:42] <imbrandon> hello two-face
[09:42] <two-face> Alright, so I boot kubuntu RC1 and the keyboard's not working at all
[09:43] <imbrandon> what kind of computer/keyboard , and can you hit "ctl+alt+f1"  ?
[09:44] <two-face> it is a ps/2 keyboard, and I didn' try c-a-f1
[09:44] <imbrandon> please try that, to see if you get a console ( and can login )
[09:44] <two-face> I tried to open a Konsole but can't type anything
[09:45] <imbrandon> dumb question, you did check the connection right ( just trying to eleminate everything )
[09:45] <two-face> connection?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> that wouldnt be the evil keyboard-stops-working-until-you-log-out-of-kde bug would it?
[09:46] <two-face> FYI, I'm typing with the same keyboard
[09:46] <imbrandon> e.g. that the keyboard is plugged in good, and not wiggled loose
[09:47] <imbrandon> two-face, ok then try this , c-a-f1 then login , if that works, you will likely get it to work if you log out of x and back in
[09:47] <two-face> FYI2, the KDE menu get unusable
[09:47] <two-face> i don't know where it does come from
[09:48] <two-face> unusable = i'm trying to click on item but it flickers
[09:49] <imbrandon> sounds like you have alot more issues than just the keyboard, again did you try c-a-f1
[09:49] <imbrandon> what kind of computer is it
[09:49] <two-face> shuttle
[09:49] <two-face> amd64
[09:50] <imbrandon> 32bit kubuntu or 64bit ? ( dont think it matter but lets make sure )
[09:50] <two-face> 64
[09:50] <imbrandon> ok can you try the newest ( dated yesterday 25th ) 32bit kubuntu live cd
[09:50] <imbrandon> and see how it go's ?
[09:51] <imbrandon> ( i'll be on for the next 6 or 8 hours so if you need to download thats fine )
[09:51] <lexual> I've had no probs from todays amd64 live cd.
[09:51] <two-face> lexual: did you have problems previously?
[09:52] <two-face> imbrandon: the 32 bits one doesn't matter, only the 64 does
[09:52] <lexual> yep, try this: hit Ctl+Alt+F1 to go to console, hit Ctl+Alt+F7 to get back to X. This fixes it temporarily.
[09:52] <imbrandon> dosent matter? as in dosent work also ?
[09:52] <lexual> Then a dist-upgrade should fix.
[09:53] <two-face> imbrandon: I mean everyone use it
[09:54] <two-face> imbrandon: what needs to be tested is what's less used
[09:54] <lexual> so c+a+f1 does nothing?
[09:54] <two-face> lexual: i need to reboot to test
[09:55] <lexual> may have to hit it multiple times.
[09:55] <lexual> I did have same issue yesterday with beta disc.
[09:55] <lexual> no prob with todays image.
[09:56] <two-face> lexual: where is today's image?
[09:57] <lexual> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[09:58] <two-face> thanks
[10:00] <Jucato> imbrandon: would you happen to know what the policy is regarding what to remove in System Settings?
[10:00] <nixternal> remove it all
[10:00] <Jucato> lol
[10:00] <nixternal> die system setting, viva la kcontrol
[10:00] <nixternal> ;)
[10:00] <nixternal> j/k
[10:00] <Jucato> viva la drakconf
[10:01] <Jucato> :P
[10:01] <nixternal> gotta be careful, that can start ww3 around here...kind of like "why does kubuntu change the default settings in this or that"...because we can!
[10:01] <nixternal> plus it works better OUR way ;)
[10:02] <Jucato> because "Launch Feedback" is missing, and there's no other way to set it, unless the user knows about KControl. But since Launch Feedback isn't a "power user setting", I presumed it would still be in System Settings
[10:04] <imbrandon> Jucato, well i for one have never touched launch feedback so i doubt "joe" does , but on that note it should probably be in advanced , but its a tad late for that Jucato this probably should have been brought up weeks ago
[10:05] <Jucato> I only saw the thread the other night... I would have brought it up. Anyway, I thought that it might have been relocated somewhere else or accessible somewhere else
[10:05] <Jucato> actually, I saw the thread a few days ago, but didn't have a chance to confirm it... sorry
[10:06] <two-face> imbrandon, lexual: thanks I'll get back to you later after testing the current iso
[10:06] <imbrandon> two-face, ok
[10:06] <imbrandon> two-face, also we have #kubuntu-testers dedicated to just that ( but your welcome here too )
[10:07] <two-face> thanks
[10:09] <Jucato> nixternal: never meant to start ww3. never meant to imply anything :P
[10:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I should have used aptitude to dist-upgrade yesterday. seemed to have been the best solution for the held back packages
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh.  yep
[10:11] <imbrandon> aptitude must die
[10:11] <Jucato> lol
[10:11] <Hobbsee> so must a whole lot of other things.  doesnt mean that they will thouhg
[10:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, how true
[10:11] <Jucato> adept must....
[10:12] <lexual> aptitude is immortal
[10:13] <imbrandon> lexual, maybe so but it needs its brain replaced, its like a smark alec 13 year old 
[10:13] <imbrandon> smart*
[10:13] <Jucato> lol
[10:14] <emonkey> nixternal, in the Power Manager section is a little mistake...overhall instead of overall
[10:14] <nixternal> thx emonkey!
[10:15] <nixternal> it is supposed to be "overhaul"
[10:15] <Jucato> wow can't believe crimsun missed that O_O
[10:17] <crimsun> it happens
[10:17] <crimsun> hence why you need about six people to proof
[10:17] <nixternal> fixed and re-uploaded
[10:17] <Jucato> hehe :)
[10:17] <nixternal> crimsun: don't feel bad, myself, and 3 others also missed that
[10:18] <Jucato> I never saw the errors that crimsun saw anyway :)
[10:18] <Jucato> commas make me feel dizzy...
[10:18] <crimsun> oh I don't feel bad. I'm prepping a defense for 8 AM, so my mind's not all here.
[10:19] <Jucato> er question... what's the recommended way to add entries to fstab now that Edgy will be using UUID? use the GUI?
[10:20] <crimsun> let volumeid do its thing on postinst?
[10:21] <nixternal> alrighty, bed time...g'nite all, enjoy the release and thanks everyone for your help, patience, guidance, and anything else you did ;)
[10:21] <Jucato> how? there are some partitions I chose not to be mounted during the installation. so I don't know their volumeid
[10:21] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/kubuntu_release_page.tar.bz2  <-- there it is in it's entirety, hope it rocks for you!
[10:23] <crimsun> Jucato: look at the mount_by_uuid_conversion() in /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[10:23] <Jucato> ok
[12:03] <Riddell> seaLne: fire up those torrents http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.10/
[12:03] <seaLne> they are rejecting
 i'll have fast torrent seeds up in ~2 minutes.
[12:04] <seaLne> got all the images but the tracker might not be updated yet
[12:04] <seaLne> its the usual "Requested download is not authorized for use with" error
[12:11] <seaLne> crimsun: where was that pasted from? i'm still getting rejected?
[12:12] <imbrandon> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso                                                                                                                                       694.9MiB     0 B/s     0 B/s |
[12:12] <imbrandon> |     connecting to peers (0.0%)                                                                                                                                                                       |
[12:12] <imbrandon> |     rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.                 
[12:13] <seaLne> so not just me then :)
[12:13] <seaLne> it would be nice at release time if the trackers worked before the torrents were published
[12:22] <seaLne> imbrandon: did you see my comment earlier on #u-d it looks like they haven't been added
[12:23] <imbrandon> yea, i see that
[12:23] <imbrandon> they said "officialy" released but not added yet
[12:23] <imbrandon> :(
[12:24] <seaLne> and their up and working now :)
[12:25] <Riddell> it takes a while for the torrent server to sync to releases.u.c
[12:26] <seaLne> ah
[12:26] <seaLne> surely it should sync at the same time as the official mirrors?
[12:26] <seaLne> bah no one is downloading yet :(
[12:27] <imbrandon> ok got 2 clients on diffrent networks seeding the desktop iso's
[12:29] <seaLne> btlaunchmanycurses dosen't really give any feedback
[12:30] <imbrandon> thats what i'm usings
[12:30] <seaLne> hmm your right it normally gives more info, i'm just getting "seeding (100.0%)"
[12:31] <Riddell> seaLne: it's not been announced yet
[12:31] <Riddell> anyone able to proofread this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[12:31] <seaLne> its in /topic dosen't that count?
[12:31] <seaLne> :)
[12:32] <Riddell> it's not much changed from nixternal's version, mostly just s/utilize/use/
[12:32] <seaLne> it has a "!" in the subject
[12:32] <Riddell> gone
[12:34] <seaLne> not sure about "KDE version 3.5.5 is the current stable release and is installed by default with every Kubuntu system." the last part "and is installed by default with every Kubuntu system" dosen't read well
[12:35] <Sho_> Riddell: as/succeded and are/succeded and is/
[12:35] <apokryphos> Riddell: not sure about the first sentence with "brings to this release a bit of edgyness". How about "brings a bit of edgyness to this release, with a new and improved..."
[12:36] <seaLne> maybe "Kubuntu come with version 3.5.5 of KDE, the latest stable release."
[12:36] <Sho_> Riddell: There are also numerous cases of misplaced commas in that text, I'm assuming it was written by someone who natively speaks a language that uses commas differently
[12:37] <apokryphos> shouldn't be a comma after "This advanced digital photo management application"
[12:37] <seaLne> agreed
[12:39] <seaLne> i'd remove various from the g-p-m bit
[12:39] <apokryphos> also need some consistency with DigiKam vs Digikam (I think the former is what they use)
[12:39] <Sho_> yep, for example
[12:39] <apokryphos> comma in "albums is a snap with digiKam, as it allows" is questionable too
[12:39] <Sho_> Riddell: broken grammar: "System settings are broken down now into two categories."
[12:39] <apokryphos> no comma needed in "who triage and support, to decide the route"
[12:40] <seaLne> maybe change "This allows the members" to helps in hdb section
[12:40] <seaLne> and in should be "of the community"
[12:41] <seaLne> this sounds like it would be simpler with gobby :)
[12:41] <Sho_> Would probably be a good idea to do the proofreading in a wiki next time
[12:42] <imbrandon> Riddell, tfheen just sent it to -announce ML
[12:43] <apokryphos> no comma in "accessibility profile, depending on the"
[12:43] <seaLne> "Kubuntu offers the support for many of the portable computers that contain these extra sets of functions" dosen't sound right
[12:44] <seaLne> "Ease of networking and resource sharing wasn't overlooked in Kubuntu 6.10." makes it sound like it was overlooked before, maybe "With Kubuntu 6.10 sharing network and printing resources is easy"
[12:45] <apokryphos> perhaps replace with "Kubuntu can provide complete support for your laptop's extra functions"
[12:45] <seaLne> yeah something like that dosen't sound as negative
[12:45] <emonkey> nixternal, thanks again, the translation is now finished but it will be reviewed by others and then on the right moment we'll publish it. I've now to go school but I'm sure the others will do all things alright. If you want to look at the translation the Draft can be found here: http://kubuntu.diener.li/edgy/release_en/
[12:47] <seaLne> i've not heard the term FOSS used before surely FLOSS?
[12:47] <seaLne> stupid english language
[12:48] <apokryphos> I've heard both often
[12:50] <emonkey> isnt' L libre (French)
[12:50] <emonkey> libre=free
[12:51] <emonkey> I think Floss is a combination from englisch and french... Maybe some collaboration idea?
[12:52] <Riddell> apparantly the windows stuff is called FOSS, I think both FLOSS and FOSS are horrible terms
[12:52] <Riddell> emonkey: "Upgrade von 6.06 LTS" is wrong, please update from http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[12:53] <emonkey> Riddell, k I'll 
[12:54] <Riddell> ok, all comments should be included in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php now
[12:55] <Sho_> Riddell: "System settings modules are not split into two categories." <- grammar ok now, content broken (the 'not')
[12:55] <Jucato> hi Sho_! :)
[12:56] <Riddell> Sho_: fixed, well spotted
[12:58] <Sho_> Jucato: hi :)
[12:58] <Jucato> nice seeing you here Sho_ :)
[12:58] <Sho_> Jucato: I stop by from time to time ;)
[12:58] <Riddell> Sho_: our herbrew speaking friend sivang has fallen in love with konversation
[12:58] <Jucato> hehehe makes me feel all warm and fuzzy :)
[12:59] <Sho_> Riddell: Cool :) I'm very happy we got that into Edgy in the end
[12:59] <Riddell> me too
[01:00] <imbrandon> me 3 
[01:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:01] <seaLne> Riddell: the windows screenshot is rather obviously 6.06
[01:02] <seaLne> did it end up working in edgy?
[01:02] <emonkey> Riddell, upgrade is fixed in german version, thanks for the hint
[01:04] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm, I think that's 6.10 from the style of the logo, but the number is all wrong
[01:04] <Riddell> arg!  quick, unrelease!
[01:04] <mhb> Riddell: ? :o))
[01:05] <imbrandon> Riddell, ?
[01:06] <mhb> nice release notes, everyone
[01:06] <Riddell> mhb: thank nixternal (and others)
[01:06] <mhb> who made the screenshots?
[01:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: ok, I think you can go for it
[01:06] <Jucato> yay! Edgy's out :)
[01:06] <imbrandon> yay
[01:07] <Jucato> guys, you just rock!! (that includes you Sho_ :P)
[01:09] <Sho_> congrats
[01:09] <apokryphos> congrats on the release guys; Edgy is really great, very nice polished :)
[01:10] <mhb> have you noticed that the KMix icon looks disabled in the Edgy screenshots at http://www.kubuntu.org/ ?
[01:10] <Jucato> hehe
[01:10] <apokryphos> arts didn't work for me on install+live too :P
[01:11] <Jucato> worked for me. probably it's running on vmware without sound enabled? :)
[01:13] <imbrandon> congrats Riddell !!
[01:13] <imbrandon> ( on the release )
[01:15] <Jucato> kwwii: congrats also for the very fine artwork :)
[01:16] <imbrandon> yea kwwii crack a mt dew open and toast !
[01:16] <Jucato> heheh!
[01:17] <Jucato> imbrandon: you deserve a lot of thanks and compliments as well :)
[01:17] <seaLne> ah thats more like it 1.9MiB/s upload 
[01:18] <imbrandon> mines uploading about 70KiB/s
[01:18] <serzholino> Congrads to all of you guys!!! When DVD image is planned to be ready?
[01:18] <Jucato> torrent?
[01:19] <Riddell> serzholino: they're being published now but take a while to be pushed out
[01:19] <imbrandon> serzholino, they are being published now
[01:19] <serzholino> great :) thanks a lot
[01:24] <ryanakca> weeee! grats all :)
[01:24] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah just checked and the number is wrong, ohwell
[01:24] <Riddell> seaLne: ach weel
[01:25] <ryanakca> bbl, school... where I'll be installing it on my teacher's comp :)
[01:26] <mhb> good work everyone, the core devs, Ken and all the others  ... I'm really amazed of what you've done
[01:26] <seaLne> i remember it being said that edgy won't be on shippit but will there be any printed cds made?
[01:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: now there's trust.  mess that up and you'll fail all your marks
[01:26] <Riddell> seaLne: some, for loco teams
[01:26] <seaLne> nah she won't be able to do any marking :)
[01:26] <goldenear> I think I found a weakness in konqueror : http://secunia.com/internet_explorer_7_popup_address_bar_spoofing_test/
[01:27] <goldenear> this seems to also aply to Konqueror...
[01:27] <imbrandon> seaLne, you can purchse them iirc, but dapper is the free shipit
[01:28] <Sho_> goldenear: Doesn't work here (KDE 3.5.5)
[01:29] <seaLne> i got one m$ window and one secunia window with lots of %A0s
[01:29] <goldenear> it works for me (KDE 3.5.5 too) :/
[01:30] <seaLne> "You are vulnerable, if a new popup-window is opened and content from Secunia is displayed while the address bar still says "http://www.microsoft.com/"." <- did your second window say microsoft in the url bar? mine didn't
[01:31] <Sho_> goldenear: The address bar of your popup contains a clean URL starting with www.microsoft.com?
[01:31] <goldenear> it displays the M$ page on the main konqueror window and open a secunia popup with "Microsoft Corporation" title
[01:32] <Sho_> goldenear: Then it's not working
[01:32] <goldenear> Sho_: no, the popup doesn't have any address bar...
[01:32] <serzholino> address bar contains original url and no popups... KDE 3.5.2, Dapper
[01:32] <Sho_> goldenear: The security problem described on that page is that the aforementioned popup shows a microsoft.com URL in the popup's address bar while the page displayed is not being served from microsoft.com
[01:33] <Sho_> goldenear: As long as the address bars do reflect where the page is coming from, the security problem is not there
[01:34] <Riddell> proofreaders: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyAnnouncementKubuntu
[01:34] <serzholino> oh... I've not pressed "Test" now there is m$ url in address bar and popup window with info from securina
[01:35] <Sho_> goldenear: Internet Explorer 7 has changed its behavior to always show an address bar in popup windows, and as it appears, that address bar can be tricked into showing wrong URLs, which is the security problem
[01:35] <goldenear> ok... but because there is no address bar on the popup and M$ url in the main window, it's easy to think the popup is from M$
[01:36] <seaLne> you shouldn't allow pages to change stuff like that
[01:36] <kwwii> Riddell: is there a reason that we are not using the new web stuff?
[01:37] <goldenear> Sho_: so it's not the same problem here. I agree. But it's still possible to fool the user with such a popup :/
[01:37] <Riddell> kwwii: that's next on my list
[01:37] <Sho_> goldenear: True, which is one of the reasons why IE7 now does not allow to disable the address bar in popups (doesn't help much when the address bar can be tricked, though)
[01:37] <kwwii> :-)
[01:38] <goldenear> Sho_: which is one of the reasons why IE7 now does not allow to disable the address bar in popups <-- so Konqueror may do the same...
[01:39] <goldenear> (but without the weakness) :D
[01:39] <Riddell> konqueror will do the same in kde 4
[01:49] <MidMark> guys I'm trying to update from dapper to edgy but update process doesn't go very well
[01:49] <MidMark> x-window-system-core ins't installed and if I upgrade it says that there is a breackage
[01:54] <gnomefreak> MidMark: did you install kubuntu-desktop before upgrading if manually if using update-manager you shouldnt need it
[01:55] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I upgraded via adept changing all dapper to edgy
[01:55] <MidMark> now xorg 7.1 seems not installed
[01:55] <gnomefreak> MidMark: make sure kubuntu-desktop package is installed before starting upgrae
[01:55] <MidMark> don't know why
[01:56] <MidMark> I have just upgraded
[01:56] <gnomefreak> MidMark: read above that is most likely why
[01:59] <Riddell> kwwii: bling bling! http://kubuntu.org/
[02:00] <mhb> kwwii: nice work
[02:01] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[02:01] <mhb> I wonder if you're going to change the Kubuntu main page more in the style of the mockup on kubuntu-devel ML
[02:01] <mhb> sooner or later or never? :o)
[02:01] <kwwii> mhb: while that would be a nice idea, it is kinda late for that
[02:01] <Tm_T> kwwii: Nice. :)
[02:02] <kwwii> Now I am slowly feeling closure with edgy :-)
[02:02] <mhb> kwwii: so you don't plan any changes to the page until fiesty release?
[02:03] <kwwii> mhb: the hardest part about changing the page like that is that we want to keep using the same basic layout, etc. as ubuntu
[02:03] <mhb> kwwii: AFAIK ubuntu doesn't use news on the main page
[02:03] <kwwii> I guess that if we want to change things we need to change them on all similar sites, which is a bigger project
[02:04] <kwwii> mhb: not talking about the pieces used, but the general layout
[02:04] <mhb> kwwii: a general description, download link and navigation would suffice IMO - and that is what Ubuntu has
[02:04] <mhb> kwwii: ok
[02:05] <Riddell> the page has all those things
[02:05] <Riddell> but I also like it having news too
[02:07] <kwwii> perhaps reducing the news to the latest story might make things look nicer
[02:07] <mhb> Riddell: yes, but IMO the mockup on the ML is more simple for the newcomers
[02:07] <kwwii> for instance, the release candidate is no longer an interesting story
[02:08] <kwwii> nor the Beta (although Jonathan has a very manly chest, so we might wanna keep that article to draw in the ladies)
[02:08] <Jucato> oooh so that was Riddell wearing the shirt :)
[02:08] <mhb> Riddell: ubuntu.com has the "Linux for human beings" box which I like very much ... it's in the center of the page, which is usually the most important part
[02:11] <apokryphos> Riddell: do you think it might be good to have a mention near the beginning (just under the picture) of: "Kubuntu 6.10 (codenamed "Edgy Eft")" ?
[02:11] <apokryphos> codename isn't mentioned anywhere else in the announcement otherwise
[02:12] <Riddell> apokryphos: done
[02:16] <Jucato> kwwii, mhb: there were some comments before (not in the mailing lists. but in the forums) about making the Kubuntu web page a bit more similar/consistent with the Ubuntu web page. Not really my idea. just thought to bring that up to you guys :)
[02:17] <kwwii> Jucato: to be honest, we really need to redesign the page anway...not just changing colors, but actually designing something new (using the existing pieces of course)
[02:18] <kwwii> but I think that the ubuntu page shows what can be done, and is a step in the right direction
[02:18] <Jucato> yeah. it's due for a makeover probably :)
[02:18] <Jucato> btw, the webpage is nice :)
[02:18] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:18] <kwwii> better than before, at least
[02:18] <Jucato> great work again :)
[02:19] <kwwii> hopefully the outside world will notice it :-)
[02:21] <Jucato> yikes
[02:21] <Jucato> ok...
[02:21] <Riddell> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/?q=node/17  damn that's fast
[02:22] <Jucato> probably just dist-upgrade/upgraded then took screenshots the moment the news was out :P
[02:22] <apokryphos> or got a daily a few days before :P
[02:22] <Jucato> yeah :)
[02:23] <Jucato> which I should have done, rather than installing Dapper and dist-upgrade to Edgy, which wasn't pretty...
[02:29] <MidMark> gnomefreak: yes you have right no gnome-desktop installed
[02:30] <MidMark> but not it breaks if I install it
[02:30] <MidMark> what can I do?
[02:30] <Jucato> gnome-desktop or kubuntu-desktop?
[02:31] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop sorry
[02:31] <Jucato> MidMark: tried to check what's causing it to break?
[02:32] <fdoving> anyone up for changing the EdgyUpgrades page? I'm not at home so i can't do much.
[02:32] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!!
[02:32] <apokryphos> wiki was dead last time I checked, but I will if I can
[02:33] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[02:33] <gnomefreak> there is no gnome-desktop
[02:33] <fdoving> it should tell users that upgrading using adept is not safe, and reflect what the announcement says about upgrading.
[02:33] <apokryphos> but for Kubuntu you need more than just k-d before you upgrade (for it to be smooth)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> you do?
[02:33] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop I want to say
[02:33] <fdoving> yes. the announcement has a section for upgrading.
[02:34] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades <--- this one right?
[02:34] <apokryphos> fdoving: but the apt-get instructions into adept are fine, right?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[02:34] <Hobbsee> yay, edgy's released :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> fdoving: it does, in the release notes for the RC at least
[02:34] <apokryphos> i.e. install package x y z, then upgrade
[02:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: happy edgy release day!!
[02:34] <apokryphos> yeah, wiki's still dead
[02:34] <Jucato> up for me
[02:34] <fdoving> apokryphos: adept is not fine. apt-get is
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: indeed!
[02:35] <apokryphos> fdoving: why? Does adept's upgrade not imitate dist-upgrade basically?
[02:35] <Jucato> I used a combinationo of apt-get dist-upgrade, manual install, and aptitude dist-upgrade to get through
[02:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yes, but the wiki is wrong. the ubotu factoid tells users to go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - which has a adept section - that will leave users systems in a very bad state.
[02:35] <MidMark> how to know why beackage kubuntu-desktop?
[02:35] <Jucato> apokryphos: the page fdoving points to recommends to upgrade first (Adept's Safe Upgrade) before dist-upgrade (Adept's Full Upgrade)
[02:35] <fdoving> apokryphos: adept can't handle this upgrade in a sane way.
[02:36] <Riddell> or at all, we need to edit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[02:36] <apokryphos> once it's up
[02:36] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ahh.  i only just got home again
[02:36] <fdoving> Riddell: that's my point :)
[02:37] <fdoving> I'm on a slow and unstable GPRS connection. Have to go, just came by to check. Happy edgy release everyone :)
[02:37] <gnomefreak> update-manager now fixes the compiz and -desktop package errors i think sticking with that is safest bet since alot of people are using compiz/xgl/beryl
[02:37] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: but update-manager is no good for kubuntu users
[02:37] <gnomefreak> why?
[02:38] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: because it wants to install ubuntu-desktop, right?
[02:38] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: doesnt it detect the -desktop you have?
[02:38] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: it also doesn't come with ubuntu, I believe.
[02:39] <apokryphos> *kubuntu
[02:39] <Riddell> done
[02:39] <Riddell> update-manager should work fine for kubuntu
[02:39] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: i thought update-mangler was across all ubuntu x k ed
[02:39] <Jucato> update-manager (GNOME) = adept_updater+adept_notifier (Kubuntu) iirc...
[02:39] <apokryphos> Riddell: why don't we recommend that then?
[02:39] <Riddell> apokryphos: because it's a gnome app
[02:40] <Riddell> we'll make a kubuntu version for feisty
[02:40] <apokryphos> yeah, so it's not installed.
[02:40] <apokryphos> cool
[02:40] <gnomefreak> #4 needs to be fixed
[02:41] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should be apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:41] <gnomefreak> no need for 2 dist-upgrades nor a upgrade when using dist-upgrade
[02:41] <Jucato> in Edgy's case, I thought it was needed...
[02:42] <Jucato> upgrade first before dist-upgrade, from what fdoving said...
[02:42] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade does the same thing as upgrade but with more packages
[02:42] <Jucato> I made a direct dist-upgrade, and it held back 39 packages. that's from a very fresh Dapper install
[02:42] <gnomefreak> Jucato: after final?
[02:42] <Jucato> hehe no :)
[02:42] <Jucato> yesterday
[02:42] <gnomefreak> python crap was held back but that should have been let through
[02:43] <Jucato> yes
[02:43] <apokryphos> I don't think it's needed, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php -- check announcement instructions there
[02:43] <Jucato> so I presume that was fixed between yesterday and today?
[02:43] <gnomefreak> should have been fixed before yesterday
[02:44] <MidMark> guys I cannot understand which are packages that breaks
[02:44] <MidMark> seems xorg
[02:44] <MidMark> is there a way with adept to understand?
[02:45] <Riddell> MidMark: adept just uses dist-upgrade and that doesn't understand
[02:45] <gnomefreak> MidMark: install xserver-xorg xserver-xor-core xorg xserver-xorg-video-all
[02:45] <seaLne> try with aptitude it might give a hint
[02:45] <gnomefreak> s/xor/xorg
[02:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I think xserver packages were also held back... same reason as python packages?
[02:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: should have been fixed before release
[02:46] <gnomefreak> *should* = key word
[02:47] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I'm so tempted to do another "fresh Dapper install -> upgrade to Edgy" just to test. lol
[02:47] <Riddell> "Waited all night.. now it's 6:00AM.  Good night."  that screenshot guy is cool :)
[02:47] <gnomefreak> night Riddell 
[02:48] <Riddell> gnomefreak: not me, him
[02:48] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:48] <Jucato> lol
[02:49] <MidMark> ok video-all was missing
[02:49] <gnomefreak> MidMark: thats normal when you dont have the -desktop package installed before upgrading
[02:50] <gnomefreak> i do beleive you can install it after the upgrade but it wont fix all the errors
[02:50] <MidMark> ok but there are some other breakage
[02:50] <MidMark> can I remove x-window-system-core?
[02:50] <MidMark> is old?
[02:51] <MidMark> till 7.0
[02:51] <gnomefreak> MidMark: maybe try to install it
[02:51] <Jucato> (heheh lot of confusion in upgrading to Edgy...)
[02:51] <gnomefreak> it should remove the old one
[02:51] <MidMark> if I upgrade it break
[02:51] <Jucato> MidMark: try to install kubuntu-desktop manually. 
[02:52] <MidMark> manually?
[02:52] <MidMark> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:52] <MidMark> ?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> there is a reason all the wikis for upgrading say or have said to install the -desktop package before upgrading
[02:52] <Jucato> I tried that, told me it would break because of some packages not being installed, like Amarok. installed Amarok manually, then I was able to install kubuntu-desktop
[02:52] <Jucato> MidMark: manually, I mean sudo apt-get install...
[02:53] <Jucato> because apt-get produces error messages
[02:53] <Jucato> MidMark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades <-- try the instructions here, near the bottom
[02:55] <MidMark> same thing: kubuntu-desktop depends on xorg that isn't installed
[02:55] <MidMark> xorg insn't installed bacause it breaks upgrading to 7.1
[02:57] <gnomefreak> MidMark: install it
[02:57] <MidMark> it breaks
[02:57] <MidMark> I have to find the root cause
[02:58] <gnomefreak> MidMark: root cause = not having -desktop package installed before upgrading
[02:58] <Jucato> :)
[02:58] <MidMark> I KNOW
[02:58] <Jucato> :(
[02:58] <gnomefreak> MidMark: remove xorg
[02:58] <gnomefreak> than install xorg
[02:58] <MidMark> you have repeated 1000 times
[02:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: check the EdgyUpgrades page again. dist-upgrade comes before installing kubuntu-desktop?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> MidMark: install all the xorg packages i gave you please pastebin the output
[02:59] <MidMark> yessss
[02:59] <MidMark> found!
[02:59] <gnomefreak> Jucato: normally other way around to not have errors
[02:59] <MidMark> was libgl1-mesa-glx
[02:59] <MidMark> installing it removes old packages
[02:59] <MidMark> now it's ok
[02:59] <gnomefreak> MidMark: you have compiz/xgl/beryl installed?
[02:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: better poke the big guy to change it a bit... (he might not believe me :P)
[02:59] <MidMark> yes
[02:59] <gnomefreak> MidMark: thats why
[03:00] <MidMark> :(
[03:00] <gnomefreak> libgl1-mesa-glx is higher version than in ubuntu
[03:00] <gnomefreak> MidMark: the update-manager has fixed that issue
[03:00] <MidMark> ok now I have installed also kubuntu-desktop
[03:01] <gnomefreak> Riddell: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal should be before upgrading to help keep errors down
[03:01] <gnomefreak> poked
[03:01] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I don't think update-manager is on Kubuntu... so the issue might still not be fixed?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yes it works fine
[03:01] <gnomefreak> Riddell: had just said that not too long ago
[03:02] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I mean, maybe Kubuntu users don't share the update-manager fix, because we don't have it installed... oh well nvm me :P
[03:03] <gnomefreak> Jucato: its installed in kubuntu "apt-cache policy update-manager"
[03:03] <MidMark> ok thanx guys
[03:04] <Jucato> gnomefreak: well, I'm not on Dapper anymore. but it's not installed on Kubuntu Edgy...
[03:09] <gnomefreak> i guess hes fixed?
[03:09] <Jucato> or he gave up... :P
[03:09] <Jucato> question: what's the prefered way to add entries in fstab, now that fstab uses UUID? 
[03:10] <gnomefreak> dont :(
[03:10] <Jucato> err...
[03:11] <Jucato> well, there are partitions that I didn't choose to be mounted during installation, and I'm sure people will be adding HDD's to their system... so how are we going to add entries to fstab? should we use the old /dev way?
[03:12] <Jucato> Disks & Filesystems isn't much of a help, since it even lists the UUID entries as separate from the main /dev ones
[03:17] <kwwii> Jucato: phyically adding a new harddrive inside the computer is not really a normal thing for a normal user, I think
[03:18] <Jucato> kwwii: yeah I guess so. (still don't know how to add those other partitions to my fstab...)
[03:18] <kwwii> can't you set mount points during install?
[03:18] <Jucato> I can, but I didn't for all partitions
[03:18] <kwwii> ahhh, I see
[03:18] <kwwii> edit your fstab :-)
[03:18] <Jucato> btw, it's not uncommon to see questions about mounting and adding entries to fstab in the forums and IRC
[03:19] <Jucato> er yeah I know... but I was asking if there's a new, preferred way to do it now, because we seem to be using UUID thingies :)
[03:19] <Hawkwind> It's also very common for users to add harddrives to their system actually.  You see mention of it nearly everyday
[03:20] <Jucato> or do we stick to the /dev/ way when it comes to adding entries to fstab?
[03:20] <Jucato> *in Edgy*
[03:22] <Hawkwind> Anyone know a way of fixing the Timestamp too far in the future message you sometimes get when trying to run apt-get or something.  Something other than rebooting the box ?
[03:28] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: sync it with ntp servers, change the bios time  those are only ways i knwo of
[03:29] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Sync'ing with npt servers doesn't seem to work
[03:29] <Hawkwind> Changing the BIOS time would require a reboot to get into the BIOS
[03:29] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: than its your bios clock conflicting with your ubuntu clock
[03:29] <gnomefreak> yes it would 
[03:29] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Impossible
[03:29] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: This happens randomly after the system has been running a while
[03:30] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[03:30] <Hawkwind> Notably if you have it installed in vmware, and you suspend/hibernate vmware instead of shutting it down
[03:30] <Jucato> happened to me earlier, when I accidentally set my time one day backward
[03:30] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Setting the time back to normal didn't fix it either did it ?
[03:31] <MidMark> ok I've a problem with the kernel, experiences bug #62608
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62608 in linux-source-2.6.17 "getting cpuindex for acpiid 0xnn delay on booting Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62608
[03:31] <Jucato> Hawkwind: I think that was the cause of the timestamp problem for me...
[03:44] <Tm_T> Hmm, guys, try "xdriinfo"
[03:55] <two-face> imbrandon: rehi
[03:58] <two-face> kubuntu installed fine this time
[04:30] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the SVG of that new Kubuntu logo?
[04:36] <kwwii> Riddell: sure do...
[04:37] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/edgy_logo_idea1.svg
[04:37] <Jucato> I just noticed that the Release Notes in KHelpCenter says that Edgy comes with KDE 3.5.4 and OO.o 2.0.3, KTorrent 2.0.2, etc...
[04:37] <Jucato> kwwii: can I take a peek at it?
[04:37] <kwwii> Jucato: you can do whatevery you like with it :-)
[04:37] <Jucato> hehe thanks :)
[04:38] <gnomefreak> GPLv2 gives me rights to change source as i wish and post it as i wish correct?
[04:39] <kwwii> Riddell: I also have an eps for printing, in case anyone is iinterested
[04:39] <jsgotangco> gnomefreak: not as you wish but you are mandated to release it ;)
[04:40] <gnomefreak> k
[04:40] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:40] <Riddell> kwwii: that would be handy
[04:41] <Jucato> ( kwwii: how about a logo replacement for K Menu? :P )
[04:41] <jsgotangco> why?
[04:41] <Riddell> Jucato: too much resistance from me
[04:41] <jsgotangco> that's a strong branding thing
[04:41] <Riddell> Jucato: the release notes couldn't be updated after string freeze
[04:41] <Jucato> Riddell: hehe :)
[04:41] <Jucato> ah
[04:41] <Riddell> jsgotangco: exactly, I like to keep KDE branding
[04:42] <jsgotangco> there's no point changing something that is already identified
[04:45] <jsgotangco> Jucato: you can always spin your own though its pretty flexible
[05:03] <cmvo> Riddell and all: Congratulations on the release of Kubuntu 6.10!
[05:04] <Riddell> thanks cmvo 
[05:04] <cmvo> Riddell: Any major changes since the 25.1 daily?
[05:04] <Riddell> cmvo: that was the final one I htink
[05:07] <cmvo> Riddell: Ok, so I can postpone the download for a bit. I trying the torrent, but I never completed a CD download with a torrent...
[05:51] <kwwii> Riddell: sorry, had to run to the store....the eps is going up on http://sinecera.de/edgy_3D_Logo.eps
[05:51] <kwwii> might take a minute or two though to upload
[06:01] <danimo> heya, congrats!
[06:01] <danimo> imbrandon_: ping?
[06:01] <imbrandon_> danimo: pong
[06:01] <danimo> imbrandon_: I reworked your announcement
[06:02] <danimo> imbrandon_: (kde dot news)
[06:02] <imbrandon_> danimo: i saw, i figured you or riddell did , thanks
[06:02] <imbrandon_> looks good
[06:02] <danimo> imbrandon: can you live with http://dot.kde.org/1161876357/ ?
[06:02] <imbrandon_> yup i just read ity, changes look ok to me
[06:02] <danimo> ok
[06:02] <imbrandon_> s/y//
[06:02] <danimo> imbrandon: seems like riddell jus posted it
[06:02] <danimo> imbrandon: I reworked it a bit
[06:02] <Riddell> oops
[06:03] <danimo> upps, nope
[06:03] <danimo> Riddell: you reposted the story?
[06:03] <Riddell> danimo: you didn't like the KDE 4 sentence?
[06:03] <danimo> Riddell: seems it's two urls
[06:03] <imbrandon_> oh wait, either way i'm flexable, you guys duke it out hehe
[06:03] <danimo> Riddell: I would, if it would have been in my version :)
[06:03] <Riddell> danimo: oh, I think imbrandon_ posted it twice
[06:03] <danimo> Riddell: haha
[06:03] <imbrandon_> i dident think i did
[06:03] <danimo> can you copy my version over, and add your Qt 4.2 scentence?
[06:03] <imbrandon_> unless my net timed out
[06:05] <Riddell> danimo: I'm busy elsewhere, you have the lock
[06:05] <imbrandon_> or just link to kde 3.5.5 and digicam on riddells copy
[06:05] <imbrandon_> its sounds better
[06:05] <danimo> ok
[06:08] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[06:08] <danimo> Riddell: done
[06:09] <imbrandon_> rockin thanks danimo
[06:09] <danimo> imbrandon_: my pleasure
[06:10] <Jucato> um.. it doesn't matter which mirror I got the .torrent file for the ISO, right? they all connect to one another?
[06:10] <imbrandon_> right
[06:10] <gnomefreak> 3d logos look nice but a bit too big
[06:10] <imbrandon_> they all connect to the tracker
[06:10] <Jucato> imbrandon_: thanks :)
[06:11] <imbrandon_> gnomefreak: what logo's ?
[06:11] <gnomefreak> imbrandon_: http://sinecera.de/edgy_3D_Logo.eps
[06:11] <gnomefreak> the ones kwwii did
[06:12] <imbrandon_> eps's are for print
[06:12] <gnomefreak> oh
[06:12] <imbrandon_> :)
[06:13] <jdong> are we there yet?
[06:13] <Jucato> jdong: we are, you aren't?
[06:13] <jdong> Jucato: I was referring to feisty :P
[06:13] <Jucato> heheh
[06:13] <Tm_T> =)
[06:13] <imbrandon_> jdong: and again we are you arent ?
[06:14] <imbrandon_> hehe
[06:14] <Riddell> jdong: it's not open yet
[06:14] <jdong> :)
[06:14] <jdong> imbrandon: hehe unfair :)
[06:14] <Jucato> lol
[06:14] <Tm_T> Hmm, I wonder if kickoff would be interesting add in feisty. ;)
[06:14] <imbrandon_> jdong: and i swear if you ask me and tonio to bother upload ktorrent in feisty i will ban your IP from all things ubuntu releted heheheh
[06:14] <imbrandon_> s/brother/both
[06:15] <jdong> LOL
[06:15] <jdong> speaking of ktorrent uploads
[06:15] <jdong> (just kidding)
[06:15] <jdong> but imbrandon, when you do get a chance please fixie ppc ftbfs....
[06:15] <imbrandon_> i will once the archive opens back up
[06:16] <imbrandon_> probbably a week or two , not sure
[06:28] <fdoving> Riddell: people in #kubuntu have problems with the upgrade process in the announcement. libgl1-mesa-glx must be installed manually.
[06:29] <Jucato> fdoving: will you add that to your KubuntuUpgrade wiki?
[06:29] <fdoving> Is that a problem for those who follow that guide too? 
[06:30] <Jucato> err I don't know :)
[06:30] <imbrandon_> fdoving: yea that seems to be a probem to those that installed  xgl from quinn_storm
[06:30] <imbrandon_> becouse she dident version correctly
[06:32] <fdoving> hmm.. that explains why i didn't experience that problem in my tests.
[06:35] <imbrandon_> Riddell: i did notice one thing we need to push to -updates later ( dosent seem to effect anything though )
[06:35] <imbrandon_> Preparing to replace kubuntu-default-settings 1:6.10-60 (using 
[06:35] <imbrandon_> .../kubuntu-default-settings_1%3a6.10-61_all.deb) ...
[06:35] <imbrandon_> Unpacking replacement kubuntu-default-settings ...
[06:35] <imbrandon_> Unknow argument for /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-default-settings.postrm
[06:35] <imbrandon_> on upgrade
[06:36] <kwwii> I forgot to add that the eps is 4m x 1m
[06:36] <Riddell> imbrandon_: what causes that?
[06:36] <imbrandon_> Riddell: not sure, downloading the source now
[06:37] <imbrandon_> kwwii: lol
[06:37] <Jucato> not_jdong: wow! a case of split personality or amnesia?
[06:38] <not_jdong> Jucato: more like I kicked a handful from #ubuntuforums
[06:38] <not_jdong> and I wanna escape the @lart radar for a bit
[06:38] <Jucato> not_jdong: hehe :P
[06:38] <jdong> not the world's best place
[06:38] <Jucato> ok changed my mind :)
[06:39] <Jucato> j/k
[06:39] <jdong> beryl pretty :)
[06:39] <jdong> and with aiglx it's brain-dead easy to set up too
[06:39] <imbrandon_> jdong: btw who added google ad's to ubuntuforums, thats just tacky and against the "offical" stance ( e.g. i had to remove them per jane siber from buntudot.org before we merged with the fridge )
[06:40] <jsgotangco> imbrandon_: wow
[06:40] <jdong> imbrandon_: I think it's been like that for unregistered users for a bit
[06:40] <Jucato> whoa? ads?
[06:40] <jdong> imbrandon_: I'll talk with ryan about it
[06:41] <imbrandon_> jdong: that should be removed asap as far as i'm concerned , unless canonical is getting the money, witch i doubt
[06:41] <jdong> I didn't know we still ahd them
[06:41] <jdong> I'll talk with ryan and see what's up
[06:43] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:43] <imbrandon_> heya bddebian
[06:43] <bddebian> Hello imbrandon
[06:43] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[06:43] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[06:43] <imbrandon_> Riddell: seems to be s/    echo Unsetting kubuntu as default mouse cursor theme .../    echo "Unsetting kubuntu as default mouse cursor theme ..."/g 
[06:44] <imbrandon_> someone forgot some quotes, i'll add it to bzr then next update it will be added
[06:44] <imbrandon_> cool?
[06:44] <fdoving> I still can't upgrade successfully with the steps in the announcement.
[06:44] <Riddell> hmm, it shouldn't need quotes
[06:45] <imbrandon_> hum, i'll look it over some more and make sure that was it , FWIW the others are quoted
[06:46] <fdoving> the steps does not fail. but amarok, kde-guidance, some xorg input drivers are still not upgraded. and hpijs, and a bunch of python packages are held back.
[06:47] <Jucato> that's the same problem I encountered the other day. I thought the python problems were solved, as gnomefrek said
[06:47] <imbrandon_> kubuntu-desktop should take care of that
[06:47] <fdoving> it doesn't.
[06:47] <imbrandon_> !upgrade
[06:47] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:48] <Jucato> imbrandon_: kubuntu-desktop won't install at that point, iirc
[06:48] <fdoving> this is after kubuntu-desktop is installed.
[06:48] <fdoving> this is after all the steps at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes are finished.
[06:48] <Jucato> ah
[06:51] <imbrandon_> hrm
[06:51] <imbrandon_> fdoving: if you can get some conformation then edit the wiki then
[06:51] <fdoving> I have a guide that works at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[06:59] <Riddell> seaLne: able to torrent these? http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/dvd/
[07:00] <Riddell> I've got a got a good speed going on them
[07:02] <toma> seaLne: ping
[07:03] <toma> congrats on the release everyone!
[07:04] <Riddell> thanks toma 
[07:06] <seaLne> toma: pong
[07:06] <toma> seaLne: did you write that comment on my site?
[07:07] <Jucato> Riddell: Sho_'s asking when the Edgy DVD's will be available
[07:07] <seaLne> toma: yeah
[07:07] <Riddell> Jucato: they are now, see link I just posted
[07:07] <toma> seaLne: can you exlpain why you are not using kwallet?
[07:07] <Jucato> Riddell: ok thanks. I'll give it to him. thanks! (you rock!)
[07:08] <seaLne> toma: i don't like the idea of it being the main reason, i like to know when a password is asked for and control whether i give it
[07:09] <seaLne> saving passwords just feels wrong to me
[07:10] <toma> seaLne: allright. I'm not so convinced that I should provide an alternative method though...
[07:10] <seaLne> ffs lp spam
[07:11] <toma> ?
[07:11] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/48777/comments/17
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48777 in kubuntu-meta "No GUI way to change screen resolution in Kubuntu" [Wishlist,Rejected]  
[07:11] <toma> ah
[07:12] <toma> seaLne: I'll think about it...
[07:12] <seaLne> fair enough
[07:13] <danimo> does anyone know how to rsync just edgy and dapper?
[07:13] <Riddell> danimo: KubuntuFiles has how to rsync from cdimage, don't think you can rsync from releases
[07:14] <danimo> Riddell: sure I can
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: what is the pool directory for exactly?
[07:16] <Riddell> danimo: you want to rsync the archive?
[07:16] <danimo> yes
[07:16] <Riddell> danimo: the pool has all the packages in it, you can't really just sync the packages from a given distro
[07:16] <danimo> Riddell: that sucks :(
[07:16] <danimo> Riddell: why would I want to rsync e.g. hoary?
[07:19] <fdoving> danimo: i think you can use 'debmirror' to do partial mirroring.
[07:19] <fdoving> don't know about the rsync support though.. 
[07:19] <imbrandon_> or apt-mirror
[07:20] <imbrandon_> it will do one or many arches and only one or many distros
[07:22] <danimo> then again, old archives are just a one time cost
[07:22] <danimo> and we have a 1 TB RAID here, so what the hell...
[07:22] <Riddell> danimo: if you have good bandwidth you could torrent the CDs and DVDs while you're at it :)
[07:22] <danimo> Riddell: that's next
[07:23] <danimo> Riddell: we're planning on an in-house install-party
[07:23] <Riddell> woo!
[07:23] <danimo> Riddell: ubuntu is the distri of choice :)
[07:23] <danimo> Riddell: one of ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu, that is
[07:24] <danimo> we'll let people choose, based on some reference systems we will provide
[07:24] <danimo> (and I'll bias them into the right choice (tm) ;)
[07:25] <imbrandon_> put the "other two"(tm) on p133mhz and kubuntu on a 4200+ ;)
[07:27] <danimo> imbrandon_: xubuntu is indeed for weak PCs, but since they'll be 99% laptop users...
[07:27] <imbrandon_> well i ment more to make them look "slow" to bias them to kubuntu
[07:27] <imbrandon_> heheh
[07:28] <danimo> imbrandon_: sure, I'm the masterchief of foul tricks ;)
[07:28] <seaLne> danimo: lucky you debian + ubuntu has nearly filled my 400Gb ftp drive
[07:29] <danimo> :)
[07:29] <imbrandon_> ubuntu takes about 60gb for my local 2 arch mirror and about 110gb on my full mirror
[07:38] <kwwii> what is "kubuntu-desktop" for a package (listed as upgradeable but not selected as change per defualt), should I request the update?
[07:38] <seaLne> its the meta package that pulls in the default packages
[07:39] <kwwii> so I probably want to update it
[07:39] <kwwii> ?
[07:39] <seaLne> eah
[07:39] <seaLne> +y
[07:39] <kwwii> cool, thanks
[07:41] <kwwii> hrm, it adept refuses to update it
[07:41] <seaLne> do the upgrade then try to install it again
[07:41] <imbrandon_> heh another great reason not to use adept 
[07:41] <seaLne> not really you'd have to do the same with apt-get
[07:42] <Jucato> lol
[07:42] <imbrandon_> true
[07:50] <seaLne> anyone know what september is in french?
[07:51] <kwwii> septembre
[07:51] <kwwii> ?
[07:52] <kwwii> yes, that is right
[07:53] <seaLne> ta
[07:56] <imbrandon_> Riddell: i dont think we will have much opposition tot he kde4 in /opt the more i look at it, if you notice edubuntu puts ltsp in /opt
[08:03] <Riddell> imbrandon_: that's a useful precedent :)
[08:03] <imbrandon_> hehe
[08:05] <imbrandon_> there is talk too about making edubuntu a "add-on" cd to {k,x,}ubuntu also, that would rock, you install a default *ubuntu and then "add" the edubuntu cd to it to make a full setup, making kde or xfce or gnome all useable
[08:06] <imbrandon_> i think that would rock for us to promote a bit too
[08:06] <imbrandon_> if it happens ( up for talks at mtv )
[08:06] <fdoving> that would be cool.
[08:06] <imbrandon_> yea
[08:08] <nixternal> oh boy i woke up super sick today ;(
[08:09] <nixternal> good job everyone with 6.10!  all of you flat out rock. i can't wait to see what you all do with 7.04 now that you have 6 months to work on it, and not 3.5
[08:09] <Riddell> "you"?
[08:09] <nixternal> heh, i didn't do much for 6.10 except for cheerlead ;)
[08:10] <imbrandon_> i was gonna say, arent you part of "us" hehe
[08:10] <nixternal> well yes of course
[08:10] <nixternal> but how conceded would i be congratulating myself?
[08:10] <nixternal> hehe
[08:10] <nixternal> i cannot speeeeeel today
[08:10] <imbrandon_> oh no, i just pictutred nixternal in a cheerleaders outfit, GAH
[08:10] <imbrandon_> eyes.....burn.....
[08:10] <nixternal> you are scarred for life
[08:10] <nixternal> gahaha
[08:11] <nixternal> thats cuz you just got peppered sprayed probably
[08:12] <nixternal> just let me know when i can set my sources.list to "feisty"
[08:12] <imbrandon_> yea having 6 months will be a change, hehe alot nicer than 4
[08:12] <nixternal> no doubt
[08:13] <nixternal> now that im getting this packaging stuff down, i can't wait
[08:13] <jsgotangco> nixternal: there's always checkinstall hell if you like
[08:14] <nixternal> haa
[08:14] <imbrandon_> alien and checkinstall are curses
[08:14] <nixternal> jsgotangco: you are gonna be here in december right?
[08:14] <jsgotangco> nixternal: yup
[08:14] <jsgotangco> just in time for new year
[08:14] <jsgotangco> *if* things go well here
[08:15] <nixternal> cool, im going to do the chicago welcome, and jump you, beat you up, and steal that cell phone ;)
[08:15] <nixternal> i forgot you are from here...so i will use caution ;)
[08:15] <jsgotangco> gonna do some fundraisers in the process as well for foundation
[08:15] <jsgotangco> so theres some planning being done now
[08:16] <nixternal> nice
[08:21] <imbrandon_> wow socal has wildfires over 800 acres destroyed so far, wonder how close to mountain view
[08:21] <imbrandon_> nixternal: how close is palm springs to SF ?
[08:22] <nixternal> not close
[08:22] <nixternal> palm springs is in the desert
[08:22] <imbrandon_> good
[08:22] <imbrandon_> yea looks like 150 miles or more
[08:22] <imbrandon_> good
[08:22] <nixternal> palm springs is like 3 hours from LA and San Diego, and San Francisco is 10 or more from them
[08:23] <nixternal> actually, it might be an 8 hour drive from LA to San Fran
[08:23] <imbrandon_> LA to SF is only like 6
[08:23] <imbrandon_> i've made that trip before
[08:24] <imbrandon_> maybe 6.5
[08:24] <imbrandon_> ( but i was on a motorcycle so i dont think i was doing the speed limit )
[08:24] <nixternal> well, from LA it is less...im coming from San Diego..sorry
[08:24] <nixternal> hehe
[08:24] <nixternal> i was off
[08:25] <imbrandon_> i took a trip from reno to la on my bike last year when i still lived in reno
[08:25] <nixternal> LA is 1.5 hours north up the 805 to 5 or the PCH, and then it is about 6 from LA to San Fran
[08:26] <nixternal> i would move back to san diego, but the jobs are scarce and the cost of living is nuts
[08:26] <imbrandon_> yea thats my main thing, not the jobs but the cost of living is crazy expensive
[08:26] <moi1392> hello, I just take  look at the spec about a gui to configure Xorg, and want to point you this app : http://www.kxgenerator.xt.pl/ it is really nive and it will be good to turn it into a kontrol module center !
[08:27] <Riddell> does this page look sane to everyone? http://kubuntu.org/download-new.php
[08:27] <imbrandon_> Riddell: that actualy looks REALLY good
[08:29] <nixternal> looks good
[08:29] <nixternal> hehe Riddell, i see you went with the gloss logo with the gear background ;)
[08:30] <nixternal> xubuntu guys changed up their website as well...it looks decent now..it isn't all dark anymore
[08:31] <fdoving> releases.ubuntu.com is so fast.
[08:38] <Tm_T> Hmm hmm.
[08:38] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kickoff-2.png
[08:39] <Tm_T> I modified kickoff to be more kubuntu-friendly. :)
[08:42] <imbrandon_> nice did you rip it out of kdebase ? or just compile a whole new kdebase
[08:48] <Riddell> it's in kdebase?
[08:48] <imbrandon_> its a patch to the current kmenu
[08:48] <imbrandon_> not its "own" applet
[08:48] <apokryphos> kickoff in kubuntu? nice
[08:48] <imbrandon_> thus why i havent made packages for it yet
[08:49] <Riddell> mm, nasty
[08:49] <imbrandon_> yea , very
[08:49] <imbrandon_> its in kdesvn
[08:49] <apokryphos> Tm_T: does the beagle search work with it too?
[08:49] <imbrandon_> just in its own branch
[08:49] <apokryphos> nasty? As in good? ;-)
[08:49] <apokryphos> I really like it; I'm very productive with it. No need for alt+f2 anymore
[08:50] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: no , not good , they should have used the code and done a new applet
[08:50] <apokryphos> imbrandon: why?
[08:50] <imbrandon_> its basicly all or none this way
[08:50] <imbrandon_> no way to have a choice or both
[08:50] <apokryphos> imbrandon: sure you can; right-click -> switch to old kde style
[08:50] <imbrandon_> hrm
[08:50] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon_ 
[08:51] <imbrandon_> heya ajmitch sab seems to not be arround
[08:51] <imbrandon_> leaste not answering me hehe
[08:51] <apokryphos> I don't actually use katapult atm either; it has extra little things like calculator, and of course all beagle things
[08:51] <ajmitch> heh ok
[08:51] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Hmm, couldn't build it, but it can launch external kerry.
[08:51] <apokryphos> Tm_T: dang. Half the greatness is the inline search results =)
[08:51] <Tm_T> Yeah.
[08:51] <apokryphos> that's really the only thing I'd say it has over SLED's GNOME menu
[08:52] <Tm_T> Wait.
[08:52] <imbrandon_> Tm_T: did you get the code from kdesvn ? or elsewhere 
[08:52] <Tm_T> svn
[08:52] <moi1392> hello, does someone know this app : http://www.kxgenerator.xt.pl/ ? should I post a feature request if I want to see it in kubuntu or there is no way to include it ? it could also help to resolve this spec : https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xorg-config-ui
[08:52] <Tm_T> Ah, that inline search does work indeed. :)
[08:52] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: ubuntu has that menu too now ( in universe )
[08:52] <apokryphos> moi1392: there's a link from the main kubuntu wiki page on where to suggest new kubuntu apps
[08:52] <imbrandon_> the package is "main-menu"
[08:52] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: ^
[08:53] <apokryphos> imbrandon: nice; I've just been using it on suse factory for some time
[08:53] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Apparently that search works afterall, though I thought I disabled beagle-extension. :p
[08:53] <apokryphos> ah, cool
[08:54] <Tm_T> imbrandon_: I just did compile&install kicker and kcontrol/kicker
[08:54] <fdoving> where can i get my hands on this new fancy thing? 
[08:54] <apokryphos> fdoving: in Universe, package main-menu
[08:55] <imbrandon_> i might try to make a package again, the first time i did was the day it hit svn
[08:55] <imbrandon_> fdoving: the kde one or gnome one ?
[08:55] <imbrandon_> fdoving: kde one you have to build atm
[08:55] <fdoving> imbrandon_: i don't do gnome.
[08:55] <apokryphos> !info main-menu edgy
[08:55] <ubotu> Package main-menu does not exist in edgy
[08:55] <apokryphos> hm
[08:55] <fdoving> !info gnome-main-menu
[08:55] <ubotu> Package gnome-main-menu does not exist in any distro I know
[08:55] <apokryphos> imbrandon: oh, were you talking about the gnome one before?
[08:55] <imbrandon_> hum lemme check the package name
[08:56] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: yes
[08:56] <apokryphos> imbrandon: so the kde one's not in Universe?
[08:56] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: the kde one isnt built yet, i've been watching it for feisty
[08:56] <imbrandon_> apokryphos: correct
[08:56] <apokryphos> ah, right
[08:56] <fdoving> imbrandon: where can it be downloaded? 
[08:56] <apokryphos> fdoving: kde svn only then, I guess
[08:56] <fdoving> ok.
[08:56] <imbrandon_> kdesvn
[08:57] <fdoving> any pointers on where? 
[08:57] <apokryphos> but ubuntu aren't using that gnome menu by default? That's a shame
[08:57] <imbrandon_> nope
[08:57] <apokryphos> I find it far superior to the old one
[08:57] <imbrandon_> its still hard to use, i hate the way it does "more apps"
[08:58] <apokryphos> fdoving: there's a presentation of it at http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 btw
[08:58] <apokryphos> imbrandon: I really liked that, though if you use many apps regularly it could be annoying
[08:58] <fdoving> apokryphos: thanks.
[08:58] <imbrandon_> fdoving: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/suse_kickoff/
[08:58] <fdoving> imbrandon: thanks :)
[08:58] <apokryphos> imbrandon: it looks tidier, at least, but perhaps not as practical. KDE menu gets around it by still having the all apps, and by having inline search results
[08:59] <apokryphos> no need for new windows
[08:59] <imbrandon_> yea
[09:00] <Tm_T> I wanted this kickoff to be more narrow, but couldn't make it out from sources, well hidden stuff. =)
[09:00] <apokryphos> atm I don't like the lack of configurability with it, but perhaps that'll change over time
[09:04] <apokryphos> wow, kerry's got a whole load of new improvements as of late. Didn't realise my checkout was so old 8)
[09:04] <Tm_T> =)
[09:04] <apokryphos> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2483 -- more configuration with results
[09:08] <nixternal> what do we do now?
[09:09] <nixternal> i know...i can play quake 3 ;)
[09:09] <Tm_T> nixternal: Why not ET?
[09:09] <apokryphos> nixternal: now help users in #ubuntu / #kubuntu ;-)
[09:10] <nixternal> heh, they tend to help me
[09:10] <Tm_T> =)
[09:10] <nixternal> i do need to start spending some more time in there helping out though...#ubuntu i am really useless, because I am not "good" with gnome
[09:12] <apokryphos> the majority of problems aren't really gnome-related, I'd say
[09:13] <moi1392> http://www.luigifab.info/Autres/capture1.png : looks like a bug in the installer :/ => "no root file system"
[09:13] <moi1392> somehave an idea ?
[09:22] <nixternal> is that what that warning on the bottom says?  because i see / up top in the select menu
[09:25] <toma> o I hate dot.kde.org replies
[09:25] <toma> these users are weird
[09:26] <moi1392> nixternal: that warning say : no root file system
[09:26] <moi1392> and yes, a root file system was selected, but the installer doesn't want to continue
[09:55] <goliath23> hi. I tried upgrading to kubuntu 6.10 but in the middle of the upgrade process somthing failed. now it suggest to run "apt-get -f install" if I do this, it tries to remove xserver-xorg and that fails because some "atck smashing protection" kill the post installation perl script... 
[09:55] <goliath23> how can I disable "stack smashing"??
[09:55] <goliath23> or better: the stack smashing protection...
[09:56] <goliath23> it kills all the perl scripts started by apt-get or dpkg
[10:01] <yacoob> Cozy channel :>
[10:02] <moi1392> nixternal: the problem is solved, it was because the partition was a reiserfs ! I think the error should be more explicit :/
[10:03] <nixternal> ahh, i agree, as it doesn't let you know the partition type is at fault
[10:13] <goliath23> any idea what I could do against the freaked out stack smashing protection on my half-dapper half-edgy system? the /usr/bin/perl gets killed all the time when called by dpkg or apt-get if I try to fix the mess..
[10:19] <yacoob> hm, http://kubuntu.org/6.10-release.php is 404 (link from main page)
[10:20] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[10:21] <nixternal> i can't believe nobody caught that
[10:21] <yacoob> I just did :P
[10:21] <nixternal> what page are you getting that link from?
[10:21] <yacoob> better change the link on the wepage
[10:21] <nixternal> the link on kubuntu.org is good
[10:21] <yacoob> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[10:21] <yacoob> hm.
[10:22] <yacoob> I'm getting sleepy, I thought it's on the main page...
[10:22] <nixternal> fixed
[10:22] <nixternal> thanks yacoob!
[10:23] <yacoob> happy to be helpful :>
[10:32] <yacoob> is there a way to hide the splash screen on boot and see the kernel messages?
[10:32] <nixternal> yes
[10:32] <nixternal> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:32] <nixternal> and remove the quiet and splaash
[10:33] <Tm_T> yacoob: kernel parameters in grub, take "quiet" away to get messages with splash, and remove "splash" to get it all old fashioned.
[10:33] <nixternal> but you will have to do this everytime you update anything with the kernel where it runs the update-initramfs
[10:33] <yacoob> isn't there a way to do it per-boot?
[10:33] <yacoob> (hm, I can edit the grub entry from menu...)
[10:34] <nixternal> from konsole
[10:34] <nixternal> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:34] <nixternal> or
[10:34] <nixternal> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:34] <nixternal> or kwrite instead of kate
[10:34] <yacoob> hehe, actually switching back and forth between two text consoles removes splash :D But sstill, I loose the messages before VT are initialised
[10:34] <yacoob> nixternal, I'm fine with editing menu.lst, I'll handle that :)
[10:35] <yacoob> (and kvim is dead, bah :( )
[10:35] <nixternal> heh
[10:35] <nixternal> actually, i am starting to use vi more and more once again
[10:35] <yacoob> actually, kubuntu is my first venture into area of kde/gnome
[10:35] <yacoob> for last... hm, 5 years, I've been playing along with sawfish
[10:36] <nixternal> my first venture was either slackware or LFS and KDE 1
[10:36] <yacoob> (no, it's not dead, it only stinks that way :)
[10:36] <nixternal> back then was hooked on AfterSTEP cuz I thought i was a l337 hax0r ;)
[10:36] <yacoob> hehe, in order to be leet, you have to have cryptic desktop
[10:36] <nixternal> everything was black with green 
[10:37] <nixternal> now, default works just fine, it has to be functional now for me
[10:37] <yacoob> http://hell.pl/yacoob/sakwa/gfx/sshots/_thumbs/2005-08-22.puste.png.html - this is (well - was, I just overwritten the Debian with Kubuntu :) my desktop
[10:38] <yacoob> and http://hell.pl/yacoob/sakwa/gfx/sshots/_thumbs/2005-08-22.pelne.png.html is a screenshot with things "up", I wrote an addon for sawfish to hide and show windows behind edges of screen
[10:38] <yacoob> ...and it was all "back then" when I had more time to fiddle with things :>
[10:41] <nixternal> heh, those setups take me back..
[10:41] <yacoob> it's functional :)
[10:42] <yacoob> to be honest, I'd use it, if it wasn't for my freshly reluctance for debian
[10:42] <yacoob> iceweasel vs firefox was the last straw
[10:47] <nixternal> lol
[10:51] <yacoob> no lolling :)
[10:51] <yacoob> ubuntu is using debian infrastruture, so it's easier for me
[10:51] <yacoob> (and things are nifty, apt-get et al)
[10:52] <yacoob> it's just ideology of Debian, that doesn't suit me
[11:02] <yacoob> hm.
[11:02] <yacoob> why isn't *buntu using differential packages list with apt?
[11:03] <Tm_T> Why should?
[11:03] <yacoob> smaller files to get
[11:04] <Tm_T> Eh, well, prolly just overlapping packagelists && more files to load.
[11:19] <ryanakca> hmm... http://pastebin.ca/223312 ... that normal?
[11:19] <ryanakca> that autoremove statement has been there for about a week now... things like that usually tend to go away after a while (for me)... 
[11:34] <imbrandon_> ryanakca: looks like you dont have kubuntu-desktop installed
[11:35] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: ouch... doesn't look good... just a sec, pastebinning
[11:37] <ryanakca> imbrandon_: http://pastebin.ca/223349
[11:38] <imbrandon_> you have the kde4 libs from kubuntu.org installed dont you?
[11:38] <ryanakca> kde4base-dev or whatever it is?
[11:39] <imbrandon_> yes, that is why those are uninstallable, and thus kubuntu-desktop cant be installed thus that otherstuff want to be removed
[11:39] <imbrandon_> sooo if you wanna keep that installed then you have to deal with it
[11:39] <ryanakca> meh, I don't use it anywais...
[11:39] <imbrandon_> :)
[11:40] <goliath23> what depconf frontend is the default in kubuntu
[11:40] <goliath23> ?
[11:41] <ryanakca> imbrandon_ how do I remove it? sudo apt-get --purge remove kde4base
[11:41] <goliath23> could it be, that it's KDE? (which could be dangerous if an update aborts and X is not running for one or another reason)
[11:41] <imbrandon_> there is no debconf frontend by default ( other than curses )
[11:42] <imbrandon_> ryanakca: yea what ever you installed
[11:43] <ryanakca> night imbrandon_
[11:43] <goliath23> I had _strange_ problems with it... all the perl scripts called fail with a stack smashing protection message (or segfault) when DEBIAN_FRONTEND is set to KDE
[11:43] <goliath23> night!