[12:11] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: not a problem. Done. now that I have booted. I cannot acces my first hdd HDA4
[12:11] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  should be able to.
[12:11] <locustwar> ok ty
[12:12] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: basically my problem is I cannot access my first HDD(hda) from my second HDD(sda)
[12:12] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  double check and make sure its hda4, and not actually hda5, which is often the case if using a extended/logical  partition
[12:13] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  does fdisk -l /dev/hda show the drive/partitions?
[12:13] <Dr_willis> 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'  (frogot the sudo)
[12:13] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: it says cannot open dev/hda
[12:14] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, 'ls /dev/hda*' confirms it's still there?
[12:14] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: just did sudo it is there.
[12:14] <luckundead> hi @ll
[12:14] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: and it lists my fat32 as hda4
[12:15] <Ash-Fox> okay.. well try 'sudo mount /dev/hda4 /location/where/fat32/is/normally/mounted'
[12:15] <locustwar> another question: i would like to install only the linux OS at first without any software package, will i be able to install softwares/games after the OS installation (like in windows when u install somthg with a .exe) ?
[12:15] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  even easier to install stuff under linux.
[12:15] <locustwar> great :D
[12:16] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  the normal install , includes a large # of things.  the idea of 'only the os' - isent real acurate. :)
[12:16] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: same message.
[12:16] <tmdx120> it says its neither in fstab or mtab. what does that mean?
[12:16] <locustwar> ah yes i understand, but i would like to install the latest versions of the softwares/games...
[12:16] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  thats a generic 'it dident work' message
[12:16] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  paste the exact command you just used to mount the thing.
[12:16] <Ash-Fox> ... uh, it shouldn't say that. we just gave it a source and a destination
[12:17] <Dr_willis> locustwar,   depends on the games/software. :P  most linux systems make 'upgrading' stuff rather trivial.
[12:17] <tmdx120> sudo mount /dev/hda4
[12:17] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, that's not what I told you
[12:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:17] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: what?
[12:17] <locustwar> (and of course software/game packages doesn't include payable ones or it would be really nice :)
[12:18] <Ash-Fox> sudo mount /dev/hda4 /<now here put the location where the fat32 partition is supposed to be mounted>
[12:18] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: you lost me. I dont know where it supposed to be mouted. I just want to mount it.
[12:18] <Ash-Fox> like 'sudo mount /dev/hda4 /media/windows'
[12:18] <tmdx120> or sudo mouth /dev/hda4 /me/Desktop?
[12:18] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, okay, do a mkdir /media/fat32 then, and do a 'sudo mount /dev/hda4 /media/fat32'
[12:21] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, you should then have the partition mounted in /media/fat32
[12:21] <locustwar> Dr_willis, u mean software upgrading is easy on linux ?
[12:23] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh. now I get it! Thanks.
[12:23] <m4v3rick_> hey all! i have a question: anybody knows how to enable "Switch Display" button on ubuntu (Dapper) for Laptop...
[12:23] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: I could have mounted it to my desktop too right?
[12:23] <poisonborz> ...ok, superlame question (I'm astonished of what you have to withstand on this channel :P)  As it seems, I've succesfully removed konqueror, and haven't found any way to reinstall it... altough I've installed firefox, but couldn't find a way to run it... is there a file manager somewhere?
[12:23] <m4v3rick_> or shudi use hotkeys to confgure it?
[12:24] <Ash-Fox> tmdx120, yep, mount /home/you/Desktop/fat32 or something.
[12:24] <vge> can i run xgl on integraded 128Mb ati card and 1.4ghz laptop with honour?
[12:24] <LjL> !xgl > vge
[12:24] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: I LOVE linux!!!!
[12:24] <danny500> how do I install a tar.gz application onto ubuntu, I have the file on my desktop
[12:24] <LjL> danny500: .tar.gz is just an archiving format (two, actually), like .zip - it depends on what's contained in it.
[12:24] <m4v3rick_> danny500: extract the files..then open the folder of the extracted stuff
[12:25] <danny500> yes
[12:25] <mentor13> hi
[12:25] <tmdx120> Ash-Fox: ThANKS a million. Im going to do the boot thing and see if Igot it right. THANKS again....
[12:25] <m4v3rick_> and find a filename named "readme"
[12:25] <LjL> often, tar.gz files (also known as "tarballs") contain raw source code, which is usually set up to be compiled using the autoconf tools
[12:25] <danny500> I already extracted it onto the desktop
[12:25] <LjL> !compile > danny500
[12:25] <m4v3rick_> danny500: it has the installation instructions in it
[12:25] <eltese> Does anyone know why I cant change the language? Whatever I try it wont give me the right settings. And also 2 of my partitions doesnt work. Sry 4 my english :p
[12:25] <poisonborz> ...ok, superlame question (I'm astonished of what you have to withstand on this channel :P)  As it seems, I've succesfully removed konqueror, and haven't found any way to reinstall it... altough I've installed firefox, but couldn't find a way to run it... is there a file manager somewhere?
[12:25] <m4v3rick_> u might need to run a command like :          ./configure
[12:25] <danny500> !compile > danny500
[12:25] <BonBonTheJon> poisonborz: how did you remove konqueror
[12:26] <LjL> poisonborz: what about "sudo apt-get install konqueror" from a shell?
[12:26] <danny500> ok I'll see if it helps but If it don't I'm coming back here lol
[12:26] <m4v3rick_> danny500: wht?!!
[12:26] <BonBonTheJon> LjL: do you think you can really remove konqueror
[12:26] <m4v3rick_> okay
[12:26] <m4v3rick_> :d
[12:27] <poisonborz> I've uninstalled some components, and I guess some of them was needed by Konq... at least when I try to run it, it displays error
[12:27] <eltese> how do I run that command then m4v3rick_? :)
[12:27] <poisonborz> is konqueror the default file manager in dapper?
[12:27] <LjL> BonBonTheJon: you most certainly can, though quite a few other packages depend on it
[12:27] <LjL> poisonborz: in kubuntu dapper, yes. try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install konqueror"
[12:27] <BonBonTheJon> LjL: I would have figured so many packages would have not allowed the removal
[12:27] <poisonborz> thanks LjL, I'm just doing that
[12:28] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  upgrading your whole kubuntu system  1 command --> 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[12:28] <m4v3rick_> etlese: well u just fo to the folder that contains the files..then u press f4, a console window will open standing in this folder...then if a script config commad is need then u run  ./configure
[12:28] <m4v3rick_> then u might want to run install command or just    ./name of the program
[12:28] <judgen> where is the headers that is not used located?
[12:29] <m4v3rick_> etlese: well u just go to the folder that contains the files..then u press f4, a console window will open standing in this folder...then if a script config commad is need then u run  ./configure
[12:29] <danny500> those are the most confusing instructions I have ever read! why doesn't linux just make a program that does all this crap for you automaticaly?
[12:29] <m4v3rick_> well there are .deb files
[12:30] <m4v3rick_> but sometimes developers put the source files and u use the native linux C compiler to compile / install them
[12:30] <danny500> there's like a million people working on linux and noones thought of this yet?
[12:30] <judgen> danny500: that is because linux is just the kernel, not the os
[12:30] <m4v3rick_> it's pretty easy believe me just 2 or 3 command and u're presented with the installation
[12:30] <danny500> what do you mean?
[12:31] <judgen> linux is not an os, just the kernel
[12:31] <eltese> m4v3rick_:  Im sorry Im totaly new to Kubuntu. First time on linux ever :) My m8s finally convinced me. But Im not that keen on removing my windows if I cant get access to all of my movies :) Real 1080p they are quite large and its not pleasant to leech them all over again =)
[12:31] <danny500> ok then I mean why doesn't ubuntu  have it then?
[12:31] <judgen> =)
[12:31] <danny500> you Linux people bah windows all the time but at least it doesn't take all day to start instally stuff onto a windows system
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> Okay, I have an installer that's a .jar file, anyone know how to run that?
[12:32] <LjL> danny500: it takes me a single command to install stuff.
[12:32] <judgen> danny500: windows has its good sides, and its bad
[12:32] <BonBonTheJon> danny500: have you looked in adept, it is simple to install software
[12:32] <twosouls82> don't bah on Linux, blaming us bah'in
[12:32] <m4v3rick_> dnny500: when u first got ur first computer and u first delt wiz windows
[12:32] <locustwar> of course we can install games/soft unavailable in package lists with install files ?
[12:32] <m4v3rick_> did u know how everything work from scratch
[12:32] <m4v3rick_> ?
[12:32] <judgen> danny500: installs is usually faster in ubuntu, one click instead of clicking thgrough 24 next screens
[12:32] <m4v3rick_> well, u have to believe that u just got used to this lazy way
[12:33] <m4v3rick_> u just double click...Next...Next...Next
[12:33] <m4v3rick_> then finish
[12:33] <m4v3rick_> :D
[12:33] <m4v3rick_> come ooon
[12:33] <danny500> no I got used to the convienient way
[12:33] <morghanphoenix> Only good side of windows is games, when linux catches up in that department MS is in trouble.
[12:33] <Ash-Fox> eltese, I suggest you try kubuntu in something like vmware-server (you can download it for free from www.vmware.com) think of it as a software based computer running in your computer. You can then experience it (it probably won't be as fast as running directly on your computer), and when you feel ready to install it on your computer for 'real'. Then we can help you.
[12:33] <danny500> not the I have nothing better to do with my life way
[12:33] <judgen> the convenient way is the beos way, but well never see that on a major os
[12:34] <m4v3rick_> well, linux lets u configure every aspect of ur app before installing it let's u modify the source to your needs before installation...
[12:34] <judgen> in beos you can run any app from any folder withouth any install basicly
[12:34] <Dr_willis> BeOS was so.. .interesting.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> judgen,  thats more of how the apps were written to a large part. :P
[12:34] <danny500> BeOs can run stuff without installation?!?!?!?1
[12:34] <morghanphoenix> So any help on the installer? No idea what to do with a .jar file that's supposed to install something.
[12:34] <judgen> kubuntu is the only os i van even remotly like after using beos, but the lack of flash drove me away after about 10 yrs =(
[12:35] <judgen> danny500: yes
[12:35] <BonBonTheJon> morphish: that is a jave file
[12:35] <danny500> Now thats smart
[12:35] <Dr_willis> hmmm...
[12:35] <m4v3rick_> etlese: sorry :D i totally forgot you :D am so sorry...could u elaborate..wht u said?!
[12:35] <locustwar> Dr_willis, we can install soft/games unavailable in packages ?
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> how does it execute?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  theres a great many games in the repos you can install.
[12:35] <danny500> can I install a .tar.gz file with Adept?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  then theres some downloadable ones.
[12:35] <Dr_willis> danny500,  not really
[12:35] <eltese> Ash-Fox: Ive already got it installed on my comp. But not the whole partition as said =) And I really want to get rid of windows, but still have my Storage drive intact :) That and the keyboard are the only problems I've encountered so far :)
[12:35] <judgen> danny500: also installing drivers in beos is just dropping one single file in a folder, and it works. Only graphics drivers afaik have to be rebooted to use
[12:35] <locustwar> yes but what about payful games ?
[12:35] <Ash-Fox> morghanphoenix, java -jar file.jar
[12:35] <BonBonTheJon> morghanphoenix: I think "java file.jar"
[12:36] <Dr_willis> locustwar,  depends on the game.
[12:36] <m4v3rick_> locustwar, try Xmoto game
[12:36] <m4v3rick_> !xmoto
[12:36] <ubotu> xmoto: 2D motocross platform game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.10-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 346 kB, installed size 884 kB
[12:36] <danny500> what program can I use to install my tar.gz file then?
[12:36] <Dr_willis> linux native games.. have installers.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> danny500,  queston is WHAT is that .tar.gz?
[12:36] <Ash-Fox> eltese, I imagine that the storage drive and windows are on different partitions right?
[12:36] <m4v3rick_> it's elasto mania like if anybody knows it..awsome physics concepts based motorcycle game
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> awt toolkit? another package I need?
[12:36] <danny500> it's that cube 2005 game
[12:37] <danny500> cube_08_29_unix.tar.gz
[12:37] <eltese> Ash-Fox: yes :)
[12:37] <Dr_willis> uncompress it.. and read the docs for it. :P
[12:37] <Dr_willis> !Info unp
[12:37] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (dapper), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[12:37] <judgen> danny unpack the tar files with "tar zxvf %filename%
[12:37] <Dr_willis> I cheat now and use 'unp' :)
[12:37] <m4v3rick_> etlese, wht exactly is ur problem! is it that u can't copy ur files to linux partiton or wht?
[12:37] <danny500> I did that but it keeps saying that there is no such file
[12:38] <locustwar> last question :) : is the file explorer the same than in windows ?
[12:38] <danny500> nvm
[12:38] <Dr_willis> then you did a typo :)
[12:38] <judgen> danny500: what is the name of the files?
[12:38] <Ash-Fox> eltese, well.. There shouldn't really be any problem, you can delete the windows partition without a issue, and use it for whatever you want. While keeping your storage partition (be it under NTFS/fat32)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> use tab when in doubt
[12:38] <Ash-Fox> !ntfs
[12:38] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:38] <Dr_willis> learn to use the TAB key to complete file names
[12:38] <danny500> I just used the right mouse but and clicked unpack here
[12:38] <alejandro> Buenas noches
[12:38] <morphish> morghanphoenix: do not forget business people where MS Windows is "the real world" while linux is a "toy from some geeky lunatics" :/ (re: once linux games catch up, MS is in trouble), do not underestimate the mindset of people
[12:38] <m4v3rick_> danny500: when u right click ont the tar file don't u see extract in the menu?
[12:38] <danny500> yeah I'm past that step
[12:38] <m4v3rick_> ot another way around don't u have ARK
[12:38] <m4v3rick_> !ark
[12:38] <ubotu> ark: graphical archiving tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 276 kB, installed size 968 kB
[12:38] <danny500> I just need to install it
[12:39] <silvania> Is there a clue like program on linux?
[12:39] <eltese> m4v3rick_: Exactly. If I use the way : System Menu, Storage Devices and this shoves : 14G media (linux), 26Gmedia (Windows) , floppy drive and 'lagring' wich is where my movies and such are
[12:39] <silvania> pref. Norwegian <-> english
[12:39] <rjb> hi, anyone had luck with edgy & broadcom wireless?
[12:39] <danny500> is there a specific program that installs tar.gz files?
[12:39] <Dr_willis> silvania,  clue?
[12:39] <poisonborz> ...ehh... I've reinstalled konqueror, but when browsing local content, I only have "image view'.... nothing else.
[12:40] <silvania> Dr_willis: dictinary
[12:40] <locustwar> Dr_willis, last question :) : is the file explorer the same than in windows ? and do mouse buttons have the same functions (right button, etc.) ?
[12:40] <Dr_willis> danny500,  not really. it can depend GREATELY in the file
[12:40] <eltese> m4v3rick_:  and then this shows mount: kan inte hitta /dev/sda5 i /etc/fstab eller /etc/mtab
[12:40] <Dr_willis> locustwar, the default KDE konqueror file manager is similer.. but much better.
[12:40] <locustwar> ok
[12:40] <danny500> some one should make a program that installs tar.gz files
[12:40] <LjL> danny500, did you hear me when i said that .tar.gz is just an *ARCHIVE FORMAT*? is there a way to "install" a .ZIP file in windows?
[12:40] <rjb> danny that prog is called "tar"
[12:40] <locustwar> ty very much willis and other guyes for ur help
[12:41] <morghanphoenix> Oh, and programmers need to start listing all the deps for thier projects, that'd help too.
[12:41] <Dr_willis> danny500,  thats a bit of a silly idea.. considering theres 10000+ different things that could be in a tar.gz
[12:41] <locustwar> have a good night, bye ;)
[12:41] <poisonborz> ...ehh... I've reinstalled konqueror, but when browsing local content, I only have "image view'.... nothing else.
[12:41] <Dr_willis> it may be source.. it may be binary.
[12:41] <m4v3rick_> danny500: usually tar files come to be extracted (which u have done so far
[12:41] <danny500> no but every windows program at least comes with an installer
[12:41] <m4v3rick_> danny500: next step is installin, how?
[12:41] <danny500> yeah
[12:41] <danny500> It's a game
[12:42] <Dr_willis> danny500,  compareing linux with stupid windows ideas is not a good thing. :)
[12:42] <morphish> danny500: that is where your package manager comes in
[12:42] <m4v3rick_> danny500: by first reading the instructions that are included in the folder the u have just extracted,,where are the instructions?
[12:42] <Dr_willis> danny500,  and no not EVERY winoows program does. :)
[12:42] <LjL> danny500: not all of them. but for that matter, almost every linux source comes with an autoconf script: you type ./configure, then make, then make install. of course, it will break if you don't have the needed dependencies (libraries, etc), but that goes for windows as well.
[12:42] <D4rkly> anyone know how i can use my usb mic as my main input ?
[12:42] <danny500> name one that doesn't then
[12:42] <m4v3rick_> danny500: usually in a readme file...can u find it?
[12:42] <Cyorxamp> Your all gay
[12:42] <Cyorxamp> And you Dannilion
[12:42] <LjL> !ops
[12:42] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[12:42] <morphish> i should go check if i managed to kill X with these matrox drivers, brb
[12:42] <Cyorxamp> morghanphoenix is gay
[12:42] <Dr_willis> you cant update your total windows system with 'sudo apt-get upgrade' :)
[12:42] <Cyorxamp> nalioth is gay too
[12:43] <D4rkly> anyone know how i can use my usb mic as my main input ?
[12:43] <danny500> I read the read me file and all it talks about is what the game has
[12:43] <danny500> thats helpfull
[12:43] <Dr_willis> danny500,  check the games homepage..
[12:44] <danny500> ok hold on
[12:44] <Dr_willis> cube  has been replaced by the next 'generation' of cube.. called somtning else. :)
[12:44] <Dr_willis> sourbratten or somthing like that.
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> very mature cyorxamp
[12:44] <Dr_willis> last i messed with it. the game was precompiled - you just ran it.
[12:44] <m4v3rick_> etlese: u don have any idea why ur 2 partitions don work??
[12:44] <poisonborz> ...ehh... I've reinstalled konqueror, but when browsing local content, I only have "image view'.... nothing else.
[12:44] <LjL> morghanphoenix, it's not like he can hear you-
[12:45] <eltese> m4v3rick_: They do work if I boot my windows , but for some reason I cant reach them when in linux
[12:45] <morghanphoenix> cube works
[12:45] <rjb> nobody else struggling with broadcom wireless on edgy?
[12:46] <rjb> or any ndiswrapper driver for that matter?
[12:46] <m4v3rick_> etlese,wht format are they?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> !info cuve
[12:47] <Dr_willis> !info cube
[12:47] <ubotu> Package cuve does not exist in any distro I know
[12:47] <danny500> !cube
[12:47] <LjL> poisonborz: that's what you get for tampering with the root filesystem manually. try "apt-cache show konqueror", look at the dependencies, and reinstall them all ("sudo apt-get --reinstall install blah")
[12:47] <ubotu> Package cube does not exist in any distro I know
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cube - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <Dr_willis> heh
[12:47] <danny500> !tar install
[12:47] <eltese> m4v3rick_: NTFS
[12:48] <danny500> !tar
[12:48] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[12:48] <Dr_willis> http://www.cubeengine.com/
[12:48] <m4v3rick_> etlese, NTFS!! don't u even see them in linux?!!
[12:48] <danny500> !installation
[12:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[12:48] <Dr_willis> Cube 2: Sauerbraten
[12:49] <vge> rjb: i gave up with broadcom wireless long time ago, but id had no real use to it
[12:49] <vge> useless responce nro1
[12:49] <danny500> is anybody here going to get the Nintendo Wii?
[12:49] <rjb> vge: lucky you
[12:49] <danny500> I am
[12:49] <Dr_willis> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sauerbraten/sauerbraten_2006_09_12_water_edition_linux.tar.gz?download
[12:49] <visik7> danny500: yes when it will be out
[12:49] <danny500> I'm getting cube 1
[12:49] <rjb> vge: it worked fine through breezy & dapper
[12:49] <Dr_willis> danny500,  why - thats the old one.
[12:50] <Dr_willis> and i doubt if many servers exist for it.
[12:50] <eltese> m4v3rick_: I see them but I cant get in them. I cant see what they contain etc etc
[12:50] <poisonborz> Heh... dependencies, modules... in Windows, you have a program, you run a program. And if that program depends on something, then it writes a friggin error message to install that... not in linux....
[12:50] <m4v3rick_> etlese: may i know how does it react when u double click any of 'em ??
[12:51] <Dr_willis> poisonborz,  ive had winows installers INSSIST that i run in 16bit depth mode for my colors.. or they REFUSE to insrtall the stuff..
[12:51] <LjL> poisonborz: actually, linux usually does that as well. of course, if the program is not *required* (views in konqueror are not required, you may have as many as you like), there's no reason it should give an error
[12:51] <Dr_willis> poisonborz,  which sucked.. since it was my video card drivers i was trying to install.
[12:51] <LjL> poisonborz: and, of course, things *do* get complicated when you delete files randomly, which you shouldn't be touching at all.
[12:51] <eltese> m4v3rick_: It says this:  "mount: kan inte hitta /dev/sda5 i /etc/fstab eller /etc/mtab" <-- excluding the apostrophes
[12:51] <dennister> omg...i can't believe i got back in
[12:52] <vge> rjb:ndiswrapper or "native"?
[12:52] <rjb> vge: neither works :(
[12:52] <rjb> tried both
[12:52] <dennister> i need some help real fast...i'm afraid i may have wrecked my entire installation...again :(
[12:52] <poisonborz> I did not delete anything... I've just ran add/remove programs, and unchecked the ones I didn't needed (signature editor, aggregator, etc)
[12:52] <vge> rjb: what you had that worked? i might try my luck if i need it in the future
[12:53] <rjb> vge: used ndiswrapper , on amd64 even
[12:53] <poisonborz> but it never said "look, if you uncheck X, you can't even browse your files"
[12:53] <Dr_willis> theres a dozen+ ways to browse files
[12:53] <LjL> poisonborz: indeed, that really shouldn't happen.
[12:54] <m4v3rick_> etlese: i have something for you, it's easy follow the steps and it might work..exactly we are going to use another mount handler for ur ntfs partitons a programs called ntfs-3g
[12:54] <rjb> vge: but ndiswrapper seems broken in edgy
[12:54] <m4v3rick_> etlese: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[12:54] <vge> rjb: :/
[12:54] <Dr_willis> but ive only gotten in on the tail end of this. :)
[12:54] <poisonborz> Willis: would you share some?
[12:54] <dennister> i'm surprised i got any connection at all here
[12:54] <Dr_willis> I perfer to use mc as my file manager, or theres. gentoo, thundar, worker, filerunner, and others...
[12:54] <rjb> vge: refuses to load, and gives no debug info in logfiles at all
[12:55] <dennister> <-------can't even surf using konqueror
[12:55] <eltese> m4v3rick_: thanks
[12:55] <Dr_willis> dennister,  thats interesting.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> dennister,  try http://72.14.207.99   in konqueror
[12:55] <dennister> interesting to u maybe; a panic for me lol
[12:56] <Dr_willis> thats the ip of google.com by the way
[12:56] <Dr_willis> one of their ip.s :P i guess.
[12:56] <dennister> ok...and a few minutes ago i couldn't even get that
[12:56] <dennister> now i can...whew!
[12:56] <LjL> poisonborz: can you start konqueror from a console, and post all the output it gives to the pastebin?
[12:56] <Dr_willis> the ip works?
[12:58] <dennister> Dr_willis: yes, it does...i got google, but then i tried just gentoo.org and it wouldn't
[12:58] <m4v3rick_> danny500 is really weired...0_o
[12:58] <menace_> whats the main gui ftp program used by linux users?
[12:58] <dennister> nor can i can to my localhost
[12:58] <poisonborz> sure... moment
[12:58] <Dr_willis> dennister,  that sounds like a dns issue.
[12:58] <LjL> menace_, there is no "main" one.
[12:58] <LjL> !best
[12:58] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[12:58] <LjL> menace_: Konqueror can act as an FTP client.
[12:58] <Dr_willis> menace_,  theres a dozen of them+ more. :P i like to use mc's features for that.
[12:59] <lupine_85> I use konqueror :D
[12:59] <lupine_85> for fish:// as well - it r0x0rz
[12:59] <Dr_willis> wine cuteftp.exe
[12:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:59] <menace_> i know that theres dozens of them and everything...i just want to know what a good gui ftp program
[12:59] <dennister> yes, and i just got it to let go...had to go to a dhcp for a bit...then switched back to manual
[12:59] <Dr_willis> dennister,  hehheh
[12:59] <menace_> oooh ill try konq
[01:00] <Dr_willis> well got the cube 1 & 2 downloaded...  lets see..
[01:00] <lupine_85> it's incredible what you can do with it - it makes my remote servers "just another directory"
[01:00] <poisonborz> LjL: there you have it
[01:00] <LjL> poisonborz: URL please
[01:00] <dennister> k...got gentoo.org this time, but ooooooooo, it's ssoooo slowww...
[01:00] <poisonborz> whoops :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28328/
[01:02] <menace_> konq works great...thanks
[01:02] <morfic> where can i place a option for X ? i tried placing it in xinit/xserverrc but it does not seem to take it from there when i restart kdm, X started on command line with that option starts fine (into the checkerboard screen with X, since no WM or config is loaded)
[01:02] <poisonborz> (great... I've downloaded and extracted mc, but can't even open a folder without konqueror...)
[01:03] <dennister> ok, how do i get to the bottom of this problem? surfing in konq is incredibly slow...i can't get to my localhost...at bootup my sshd script, looking for passphrase didn't show up...
[01:03] <m4v3rick_> anybody knows how to enable LCD/CRT switch on laptop am ubsing kubuntu???
[01:03] <Kermit> hey guys, im trying to install ksmoothdock, but i keep getting version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ksmoothdock), how can i install this? i tried apt-get install glibc-2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[01:03] <m4v3rick_> i've done everything...Duh!
[01:04] <Dr_willis> m4v3rick_,  what video card?
[01:04] <Dr_willis> it could be a apci/bios issue.. ive never noticed if that button on my laptop works under linux.
[01:05] <Dr_willis> morfic,  an option to do what exactly?
[01:05] <LjL> poisonborz, i'm not sure. i'd try "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" -- this will reinstall any packages that you had removed.
[01:05] <Dr_willis> poisonborz,  downloaded and extracted? i just do a 'sudo apt-get install mc'
[01:06] <m4v3rick_> intel using i810 driver
[01:06] <m4v3rick_> Dr_willis: intel using i810 driver...
[01:06] <LjL> Edgy also comes with a new KDE file manager btw, called dolphin
[01:06] <Dr_willis> m4v3rick_,  eww...  heh heh..
[01:06] <LjL> !info dolphin edgy
[01:06] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[01:06] <Dr_willis> LjL,  it does? heh lets see
[01:06] <dennister> can anyone help me please? networking issue here...
[01:06] <Kermit> !info smoothdock
[01:06] <LjL> Dr_willis: not by default, mind you
[01:06] <sorush20> I'm getting ark errors when I try to extract to the folder that konqueror recognises as one with  a "/" in the folder name. Ark recognises that slash in the folder  name as a new folder... but since it dosen't exist it asks me if I wan to creat it .. should I report a bug ?
[01:06] <ubotu> Package smoothdock does not exist in any distro I know
[01:06] <Kermit> !info ksmoothdock
[01:06] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install dolphin
[01:06] <poisonborz> LjL: thanks a lot...
[01:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:06] <ubotu> Package ksmoothdock does not exist in any distro I know
[01:06] <Dr_willis> lets check it out.
[01:07] <dennister> cries too :(
[01:07] <m4v3rick_> Dr_willis: is this u why asked me about my card??? :S
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Kermit,  not yet ANOTHER OS-X wanna-be clone?
[01:07] <mae> so how is hardware automagic in edgy
[01:07] <morfic> Dr_willis: this matrox driver albeit being 7.1.1 compatible does not export the right ABI version so the module gets unloaded, the support forum thread said t use Option "IgnoreABI" in a section ServerFlags, which does no longer show up in man xorg.conf, X -ignoreABI however does start, ugh, but not reading xorg.conf it also is not even trying mga, great, answered myself
[01:07] <LjL> Dr_willis: it's a simplicistic file manager that will probably be liked by Gnome converts, since it's got that filesystem-hierarchy-buttons-instead-of-address-bar thing
[01:07] <morfic> Dr_willis: well then let me rephrase, do you know if Xorg still ussports -ignoreABI ?
[01:08] <Dr_willis> m4v3rick_,  with the ati cards.. often the x config needs to be set right.. but with intel... i aint had one of those in years.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> morfic,   no idea there.  that sounds like somthing to test from single user mode. or edit/check the  xinitrc file perhaps.
[01:08] <dennister> fdoving?
[01:09] <m4v3rick_> !ksmoothdock
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksmoothdock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <judgen> where is old header files stored?
[01:09] <Dr_willis> morfic,  "X --help" shows ------->  -ignoreABI             make module ABI mismatches non-fatal
[01:09] <dennister> |lostbyte|: ? can u spare some time?
[01:10] <sorush20> how do I check if my .tiff file is okay or corrupted
[01:10] <Dr_willis> LjL,  ICK! thats a nasty file manager. :P
[01:10] <morfic> Dr_willis: and i double checked, it DOES detect mga and does load it, and usig -ignoreABI does allow X to start, now where do i add this kubuntu style to have it picked up if X gets started from kdm?
[01:10] <|lostbyte|> dennister, hi :)
[01:10] <LjL> Dr_willis: bah, i don't find it that bad.
[01:10] <Dr_willis> heh.
[01:10] <Kermit> Dr_willis: i think it makes it look nicer :)
[01:10] <Dr_willis> morfic,  lets check..  :)
[01:10] <dennister> hi lostbyte...i really need you :(
[01:10] <Kermit> any1 got any idea on my glibc problem?
[01:10] <LjL> Dr_willis: i prefer Workbench clones over Explorer clones ;-P
[01:10] <|lostbyte|> dennister, :) so what you up to today ?
[01:11] <Kermit> error is: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by
[01:11] <m4v3rick_> Kermit: try  sudo apt-get install kooldock
[01:11] <morfic> Dr_willis: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc seemed like a great choice based on -nolisten tcp in it already, but if i add -ignoreABI in there it does not honor it
[01:11] <m4v3rick_> kermit: it's the same thing as ksmoothdock
[01:11] <dennister> on the bright side i did get pacpl working in konsole...but now i have major networking issues
[01:11] <LjL> i'd love to try kxdocker on edgy as well... if it worked ;)
[01:11] <Kermit> awesome
[01:11] <Kermit> thanks guys
[01:11] <dennister> surfing in konq is incredibly slow...causing timeouts
[01:11] <Kermit> ill try it now :)
[01:11] <m4v3rick_> and if GCLIC is the problem   ..try installing it using ur package manager
[01:11] <|lostbyte|> dennister, oh. ok
[01:11] <dennister> i can't get into my localhost either
[01:11] <m4v3rick_> GLIBC *
[01:12] <|lostbyte|> dennister, how about firefox ?
[01:12] <dennister> and my sshd server didn't show up on boot, asking for passphrase...not being loaded
[01:12] <CVirus> !schedule
[01:12] <dennister> i had removed firefox
[01:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[01:12] <Dr_willis> morfic,  'startx' script has a place for options
[01:13] <dennister> i was still struggling with java so much...so i decided to try and purge the machine of all sun-java and firefox
[01:13] <Kermit> is their any setup needed for kooldock? it seems to load then just dissapear
[01:13] <|lostbyte|> dennister, "i can't get into my localhost eithe" ... ?
[01:13] <dennister> so that i could try again without so much clutter
[01:13] <morfic> startx is only used from console, not by kdm, but let me try startx -- -ignoreABI (unless i remember that wrong)
[01:13] <dennister> no, i can't get into localhost
[01:14] <|lostbyte|> dennister, get into ?
[01:14] <|lostbyte|> dennister, you have a server ?
[01:14] <dennister> i get an error that it can't locate the port...yes, a lamp server
[01:14] <m4v3rick_> kermit: that's wht it's for :d dock all ur windows then go to the bottom edge of the screen ..the icons will appear
[01:14] <wildchild> why can't I load .exe application with wine: wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\DetelFone.exe": Module not found
[01:15] <Kermit> sorry, im just a retard today it seems
[01:15] <Kermit> thanks for the help m4v3rick_
[01:15] <morfic> Dr_willis: ok startx -- -ignoreABI and kde is loading right now, all that is left getting it to work on boot with kdm now :/
[01:15] <wildchild> I just typed: wine DetelFone
[01:15] <wildchild> !wine
[01:15] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:15] <Dr_willis> morfic,  try it from the console.. it may be that optionis no longer valid.
[01:15] <sorush20> how do I recover data from a vfat formated usb stick?
[01:15] <morfic> Dr_willis: morphish ^^ kde restarting xchat in session
[01:15] <m4v3rick_> kermit: yw dewde :D
[01:16] <dennister> my apache, mysqlserver, sshd, all of it was working beautifully...this is eventually to be a mythbox
[01:16] <Ash-Fox> wildchild, you need to cd to the path where 'detelfone' is, and do a wine detelfone.exe
[01:16] <|lostbyte|> dennister, edgy ??
[01:16] <morfic> sorush20: like you had data and formatted it? if you just mean you used it in windows, then you should be able to mount it in linux as long as you have vfat built in or module loaded
[01:16] <dennister> no, dapper, on amd74, kde 3.5.5
[01:17] <judgen> amd 74 =)
[01:17] <judgen> new model =)
[01:17] <Dr_willis> morfic,  i see mentionof a   OPTIONFILE=/etc/X11/Xsession.options in    /etc/X11/Xsession
[01:17] <dennister> oops. amd64, 2.6.15-27-amd64-k8 kernel
[01:17] <sorush20> morfic: not formated it but just deleted it on a usb stick and want to recover it .. are there any programs in the repositories?
[01:17] <|lostbyte|> dennister, nmap localhost
[01:17] <|lostbyte|> ?
[01:18] <morphish> Dr_willis: those options are scarse check man 5 Xsession.options (iirc)
[01:18] <dennister> 'command not found'
[01:18] <morphish> sorush20: oh, sorry, not sure, i would say download a undelete tool and make a friend with windows recover it :)
[01:18] <|lostbyte|> dennister, huh, 64bit kernel. never been around that..
[01:18] <wildchild> Program Files: how can I go to diretory named: Program Files
[01:18] <dennister> cries some more
[01:18] <Dr_willis> morphish,  im just reading through startx, and xinitrc and so on . :P seeing whats goin gon.
[01:18] <morphish> dennister: how is kubuntu64?
[01:18] <Dr_willis> cd 'program files'
[01:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:18] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ping 127.0.0.1 ... does it ping ?
[01:19] <shrimp> guys
[01:19] <wildchild> Ash-Fox how can I go to diretory named: Program Files
[01:19] <shrimp> I just installed kubuntu and I have a huge problem :(
[01:19] <dennister> i think the first problem is why is the surfing so slow...yes it does ping\
[01:19] <Dr_willis> wildchild,  cd 'whatever ya want'
[01:19] <Ash-Fox> cd Program\ Files
[01:19] <shrimp> it won't let me change the resoulution to 1024 by 768
[01:19] <shrimp> :(
[01:19] <neoncode> Can anyone help me get the fglrx drivers to work? I've fallowed all the guides and searched on the ubuntu forums and nothing seems to work. The output from flgrxinfo states "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".". And I'm not trying to run XGL.
[01:19] <morphish> Dr_willis: yeah i kind of did the same but feel i hit a dead end, at least the driver loaded with startx :)
[01:19] <dennister> it's pinging fine
[01:19] <visik7> anyone use kblogger ?
[01:20] <Ash-Fox> !fglrx
[01:20] <shrimp> does anyone know what I should do?
[01:20] <Dr_willis> morphish,  i actually perfer just good old startx. :)
[01:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:20] <cpk2> shrimp: does your monitor support it? you on a desktop with crt? or on a laptop?
[01:20] <morphish> also does not looke like i gained much :/
[01:20] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: I tried that, no help.
[01:20] <visik7> I'm tring to use kblogger
[01:20] <Dr_willis> morphish,  i woudl THINK that config file you mentioned is the place for them to go.
[01:20] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, did you reboot?
[01:20] <wildchild> Dr_willis: if I type cd Program FIles it says that directory doesn't exist; probably couse it's build with 2 words sapareted
[01:20] <neoncode> yes
[01:20] <|lostbyte|> dennister, how slow ? type kubuntu.com .. how much time does it take to load.. ?
[01:20] <Dr_willis> wildchild,  you Failed to notice the use of single quotes dident ya. :P
[01:21] <Dr_willis> wildchild,  cd 'directory with spaces in the names'
[01:21] <morphish> Dr_willis: thanks for double checking, now we are both stumped ;)
[01:21] <dennister> timing it
[01:21] <cpk2> wildchild: you could just use tab completion
[01:21] <visik7> I'm tring to use kblogger but there isn't any way to get it working
[01:21] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, 'sudo grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[01:21] <CVirus> how can I restart my synaptic touch pad ?
[01:21] <campbch> oye
[01:21] <dennister> almost a full minute just to get a blank page...k, done
[01:21] <campbch> i have a touchpad question too!
[01:21] <campbch> :D
[01:22] <|lostbyte|> dennister, then paste 82.211.81.240 in your url section. and hit enter. ?
[01:22] <CVirus> !touchpad
[01:22] <dennister> almost 90 seconds
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <judgen> where is kernel headers stored?
[01:22] <campbch> i got ksynaptics so that i could type and not be disturbed, but it's not working :(
[01:22] <campbch> !ksynaptics
[01:22] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28333/
[01:22] <CVirus> !synatic
[01:22] <CVirus> !synaptic
[01:22] <ubotu> ksynaptics: A KDE application to configure Synaptics TouchPad. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.4-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 175 kB, installed size 908 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc kfreebsd-i386)
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synatic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[01:22] <Dr_willis> theres that ksynaptic program.. but to use it as  auser - you have to enable a X option. "shmsomthing' :)
[01:22] <dennister> well that was fast, but google was in my cache
[01:22] <cpk2> wildchild: I believe this is the full path to program files wine directory .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/
[01:23] <campbch> wait, what?
[01:23] <cpk2> include the period
[01:23] <judgen> where is kernel headers stored?
[01:23] <campbch> how is it not working again?
[01:23] <JosefK> indeed, you need Option "SHMConfig" "yes" in the mouse (synaptic) section of your xorg.conf
[01:23] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Sorry, I got some of the last comand's output in there.
[01:23] <campbch> where is xorg.conf stored?
[01:23] <|lostbyte|> dennister, that was kubuntu's ip
[01:23] <JosefK>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:23] <campbch> thanks
[01:23] <wildchild> Dr_willis: my bad:u can jump now :P I forgot to add: "
[01:23] <thomas__> hi! Is there any good dc++ client working in kubuntu 6.06?
[01:24] <dennister> oh dear...the numbers gave me google
[01:24] <|lostbyte|> dennister, looks like your dns address are slow..
[01:24] <|lostbyte|> dennister, refresh
[01:24] <|lostbyte|> dennister, http://82.211.81.240/
[01:24] <Dr_willis> wildchild,  thers also a differance btween single '  '   and double "  "  quotes
[01:24] <Dr_willis> wildchild,  and dont use `   ` backticks by mistake
[01:24] <Dr_willis> :
[01:24] <wildchild> and that is?
[01:25] <wildchild> this*
[01:25] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, are you sure you have all the packages from the instructions?
[01:25] <Dr_willis> One is more "heavialy" quoted - lol.. its a bash thang. :P read up on it some time.
[01:25] <dennister> k...how do i get it back to normal,
[01:25] <wildchild> k..
[01:25] <dennister> those numbers 82.21...gave ne google again
[01:26] <Dr_willis> foo=100
[01:26] <shrimp> umm... sorry for being a noob but what do you do after installing a driver on linux (this is my first time)
[01:26] <Dr_willis> wildchild,  then try  echo "$foo"  and  echo '$foo'
[01:26] <|lostbyte|> dennister, If the ip's get the page faster, then its the dns server your isp has connected you too..
[01:26] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Ah, oh wait a moment. flgrx-control wasn't installed. But does that effect it?
[01:27] <dennister> ok...so how do i get it back to normal...this is very unusual...
[01:27] <|lostbyte|> dennister, The ip's of your dns are stored in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:27] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, it says quite clearly things are missing.. so, yes, that may effect it
[01:27] <dennister> k...i remember...i'll try to edit that...or take a look anyway\
[01:27] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, do you have the restricted kernel modules?
[01:27] <eltese> Im back with some probbs. Trying to install my graphics driver. And when Im typing the command line sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.cfg my terminal tells me that the command was not found? :s
[01:28] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Ok, right. Sorry about missing that. I'll reboot and see what happens... thanks for you help. If this doesn't work I may need it again. And yes I do.
[01:28] <Dr_willis> dont use gedit. thats the gnome editor. :)
[01:28] <campbch> :D
[01:28] <|lostbyte|> dennister, Its not you, its your isp. find out if they have an alternate. ip or try switching the order in that file.
[01:28] <eltese> ah okey :p So what should i use? Just following a FAQ ;)
[01:28] <Ash-Fox> eltese, try kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:28] <sorush20> what kind of an error is this?
[01:28] <Dr_willis> eltese,  nano, pico, vi, kate, kedit.   try one. :P
[01:28] <campbch> ok, my synaptics device is still working :( in the way i don't want it to :(
[01:29] <dennister> hold on...phone call, urgent
[01:29] <campbch> kwrite
[01:29] <campbch> :D
[01:29] <Dr_willis> I actually like 'fte'
[01:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:30] <cpk2> eltese: also even in gnome you shouldnt do sudo gedit you should do gksudo gedit =)
[01:30] <campbch> :o now that's deep
[01:31] <campbch> anyways, i added the line Option "SHMConfig" "Yes" and it is still not working :( it looks perfectly lined up with everything else but ksynaptics will not allow me to disable the device
[01:32] <campbch> i can't type for long periods of time under most circumstances because there is no sensitivity setting, and the slightest touch will have me select a block of text for overwrite and then i have to stop, and redo it, or undo it, you get the idea :(
[01:33] <campbch> anything i can do?
[01:34] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: No such luck, still doesn't work...
[01:35] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, 'lspci |grep -i ati', what does it show?
[01:35] <wildchild> what's the command if u wanna see in terminal all proccess running
[01:36] <visik7> ps
[01:36] <|lostbyte|> wildchild, top
[01:36] <visik7> man ps
[01:36] <Ash-Fox> wildchild, ps aux
[01:36] <dennister> |lostbyte|: i'm back...son's panic on phone's over...looking for /etc/resolv.conf
[01:36] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28336/
[01:36] <Tokeiito> top
[01:36] <visik7> top doesn't show all process
[01:36] <|lostbyte|> :)
[01:36] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Also i've just realised I should mention that i'm on edgy not dapper.
[01:36] <wildchild> ps.. :)
[01:37] <dennister> dang it all...my isp has rewritten resolv...but then it always does
[01:37] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, something is broken with grep on your system.
[01:37] <dennister> when i have to switch temporarily to dhcp to get connectivity, anyway
[01:37] <wildchild> once I add kill -9 and my server shuted down I wonder why :)
[01:38] <neoncode> huh? What do you mean?
[01:38] <|lostbyte|> dennister, yes, it does.
[01:38] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, it returned lines that didn't contain 'ati'.
[01:39] <dennister> i'll take another copy when i've got it right...for safekeeping in occasions like this
[01:39] <neoncode> Ahh crap..
[01:39] <|lostbyte|> dennister, :)
[01:39] <neoncode> hold on a moment. lemme try runnning that command from tty1...
[01:40] <|lostbyte|> dennister, also turn off ipv6, But i dought it, cause your system worked fine the days before this..
[01:40] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, that command works the same anywhere...
[01:40] <dennister> once i get this networking stuff straightened out...will that take care of getting into localhost, the sshd server, etc.?
[01:41] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Yea, crap... Now what...
[01:41] <|lostbyte|> ok
[01:41] <dennister> i'd really rather not turn off ipv6...it really helps with speed
[01:41] <|lostbyte|> yes, so your isp supports it. you dont have to then..
[01:42] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, what does 'cat /proc/version' say?
[01:42] <neoncode> Linux version 2.6.17-10-386 (root@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5)) #2 Fri Oct 13 18:41:40 UTC 2006 (Ubuntu 2.6.17-10.33-386)
[01:42] <dennister> ubt my earlier question...once i get surfing faster, will that take care of my access to the port of localhost, the sshd server not loading, etc.?
[01:42] <Ash-Fox> Alright, theres the first problem
[01:43] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: What?
[01:43] <|lostbyte|> dennister, no connection. You should be able to access it at the moment.
[01:43] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, what does, 'grep name /proc/cpuinfo' return?
[01:43] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, it's the 386 kernel, it shouldn't be 386.
[01:43] <neoncode> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz
[01:44] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: I get a choice on bootup...
[01:44] <|lostbyte|> dennister, sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[01:44] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, sudo apt-get install linux-686
[01:44] <dennister> no connection to what? the 10000 port?
[01:44] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, if you installed that package, the 686 kernel would of been default normally.
[01:44] <neoncode> Ahh. So the P4 is 686 not 386....
[01:44] <|lostbyte|> dennister, sshd runs on port 22.
[01:45] <neoncode> Do I get the restricted modules for 686 and reboot?
[01:45] <dennister> k...it started...and my webmin at localhost is on port 10000
[01:45] <dennister> which konq can't find at the moment...
[01:45] <Ash-Fox> just install that, then reboot. don't do anything else.
[01:45] <neoncode> ok, I'll reboot now.
[01:46] <|lostbyte|> dennister, what error do you get ?
[01:47] <dennister> "Could not connect to host localhost (port 10000)."
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Oh, fiddle-sticks...
[01:48] <Kr4t05> That's not good...
[01:48] <Ash-Fox> Kr4t05, indeed.
[01:48] <Kr4t05> I'm referring to my own problem, which I'm about to describe.
[01:49] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, okay, now do a sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[01:49] <dennister> and i just tried to restart apache2...got the error message that address already in use: make_sock...could not bind to address [::)...
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> dennister, try, http://127.0.0.1:10000
[01:49] <visik7> anyone using kblogger ?
[01:49] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Ok, I've done that. but it didn't show 686 on the grub menu...
[01:49] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, what does cat /proc/version say?
[01:50] <dennister> tried it, got same error message in konq...couldn't connect to the port
[01:50] <neoncode> still 386
[01:50] <|lostbyte|> dennister, how about ---> https://127.0.0.1:10000
[01:50] <felixjet> is apache 2.0 the best option for a webserver?
[01:51] <dennister> felixjet: yes
[01:51] <Ash-Fox> neoncode... okay, give me a few minutes
[01:51] <dennister> |lostbyte|: that secure server didn't work either
[01:51] <shevegen> hello, how can i set default init to non-graphical login? (init 3)
[01:51] <felixjet> k
[01:51] <Ash-Fox> shevegen, 'nosplash' param in GRUB
[01:51] <dennister> i access all of my servers through webmin, by going to localhost:10000
[01:52] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, oh, it was obsoleted by linux-generic..
[01:53] <neoncode> Ahh... I dual-boot with windows so I get the grub menu at boottime. Should I choose the -generic kernel instead?
[01:53] <Ash-Fox> No, it should of done that in the first place
[01:53] <dennister> |lostbyte|: do u think it could be a loopback problem?
[01:53] <Ash-Fox> How can you be running edgy and have a 386 kernel that only existed in dapper?
[01:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, nope, I dont think so..
[01:54] <Ash-Fox> 'Linux version 2.6.17-10-generic (root@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5)) #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 (Ubuntu 2.6.17-10.33-generic)' is what you should be running.
[01:54] <neoncode> I ran "apt-get install linux-386" thnking it's what I should have installed in the instructions on the ubuntu wiki.
[01:54] <neoncode> I do get an option for the generic kernel though...
[01:55] <dennister> k...well I'm going to try to fix the speed problem...and jericho is on now...will u be around later |lostbyte|?
[01:55] <Ash-Fox> linux-386 still exists.. open up adept and type in the search '386'
[01:55] <dennister> i'm hoping that fixing the speed and networking will take care of the localhost problem, 2
[01:55] <|lostbyte|> dennister, https://localhost:10000
[01:55] <|lostbyte|> ?
[01:55] <Ash-Fox> then remove anything that's listed there that begins with 'headers', 'kernel' or 'linux'.
[01:56] <felixjet> can "cron" be sttoped and removed from auto start?
[01:56] <dennister> still the same error...and we know sshd is running
[01:56] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Should I remove the 686 stuff also?
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> dennister, sudo apt-get install nmap
[01:56] <Ash-Fox> neon, leave it be
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> dennister, nmap -p 10000 localhost              ..?
[01:57] <m4v3rick_> !nmap
[01:57] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.03-3 (dapper), package size 688 kB, installed size 2380 kB
[01:57] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: it's complained that i'm trying to remove the same kernel that i'm running...
[01:57] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: I've been running edgy since one of the betas...
[01:58] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, oh blah. I forgot. You need to reboot, and choose the 686 kernel, then remove it -.-;
[01:58] <dennister> k, the report is state: closed; service: snet-sensor-mgmt
[01:58] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, I'm talking off the release iso :P
[01:58] <dennister> only 1 ip address up
[01:58] <Ash-Fox> *of
[01:58] <neoncode> I don't get an option for 686 on startup. I just choose generic right?
[01:59] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, yep.
[01:59] <|lostbyte|> dennister, There is something else on that port.
[01:59] <neoncode> right, brb.
[01:59] <dennister> scanned in .041 seconds...k what?
[01:59] <dennister> how do i find out?
[02:00] <|lostbyte|> dennister,  sudo /etc/init.d/webmin restart
[02:00] <RawSewage> It's the 26th
[02:02] <dennister> got it!!! wahoo!!!
[02:02] <|lostbyte|> :)
[02:02] <dennister> gives |lostbyte| a huge tonguyey kiss :)
[02:02] <|lostbyte|> :X
[02:02] <dennister> lol
[02:02] <|lostbyte|> dennister, nmap -p 10000 localhost              ..?
[02:03] <dennister> perhaps now i can get back to fixing the chroot/firefox/java later on tonight
[02:03] <dennister> it's now open (the port)
[02:03] <|lostbyte|> ok :)
[02:04] <morphish> Dr_willis: score! it is in kdmrc for kubuntu
[02:04] <dennister> did u get it earlier that i got pacpla working in konsole?
[02:04] <|lostbyte|> Anyways, Have a nice day, its Nighty night for me.
[02:04] <dennister> night |lostbyte| :)
[02:04] <|lostbyte|> dennister, yes, i read. :) whats its syntax ?
[02:04] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: ok, so I remove the 368 stuff now right?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> morphish,  i was just thinking that a few min ago myself..
[02:04] <morphish> Dr_willis: ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -ignoreABI
[02:04] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, yes.
[02:05] <neoncode> 386 I mean. and ok.
[02:05] <Dr_willis> morphish,  which seems ODD.  that means you got to configure both gdm and kdm seperately
[02:05] <dennister> pacpl v --w4atomp3 --file=whatever...you've already cd'd to the directory where the file is
[02:05] <morphish> Dr_willis: yes, very unfortunate
[02:05] <Dr_willis> but i perfer kdm :)
[02:05] <morphish> to make X server flags DM dependend is :/
[02:06] <morphish> but at least i learned something here :)
[02:06] <|lostbyte|> dennister, cool.. its straight forward. tc bye..
[02:06] <dennister> bye :)
[02:06] <dennister> night all
[02:06] <Dr_willis> morphish,  kde and gnome both need to get together and sync up on their nameing schemes and configs.
[02:07] <ccomp5950> Any secret to getting Java to install for Firefox?  Followed the instructions best I can and not working.  Any common pitfalls I should know about?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> 'startkde' vs 'gnome-session' ect.. :)
[02:07] <yonkeltron> so any ideas on what time the release will happen?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> ccomp5950,  its was a no brainer..
[02:07] <Dr_willis> !java
[02:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:07] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install  sun-java5-jre
[02:07] <LjL> yonkeltron: release? what release?
[02:07] <morphish> Dr_willis: well, if they only left server flags alone and left server flags up to /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and only ADD to what is in there maybe, instead of replacing, appending++
[02:08] <ccomp5950> I see, I was going through the plugin method prescribed by the link from Firefox plugins
[02:08] <ccomp5950> Thanks
[02:08] <Dr_willis> gotta love doing it the hard way. :)
[02:08] <thomas_> My sound disseapeard .. anyone know what it could be?
[02:08] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Ok removed.
[02:09] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, sudo apt-get install linux-generic (just to make sure it's fully there)
[02:09] <morphish> ok, one last option to test
[02:09] <neoncode> linux-generic is already the newest version
[02:10] <Ash-Fox> Alright, now do: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control
[02:10] <Dr_willis> neoncode,  you using edgy?
[02:10] <Ash-Fox> Dr_willis, yes.
[02:10] <thomas_> anyone know where I can find the volume-controller?
[02:10] <Ash-Fox> thomas_, kmix
[02:10] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: allready all installed and yed Dr_willis
[02:10] <neoncode> *yes
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Ash-Fox,  linux-restricted-modules-generic -  is the restricted module package name. :)
[02:11] <Dr_willis> not tried the ati drivers yet under edgy..
[02:12] <Ash-Fox> Dr_willis, neither have I. Especially since my laptop doesn't work with fglrx.. but only the xorg ati ones :P
[02:12] <Dr_willis> my x200 laptop did work with fglrx
[02:12] <neoncode> Dr_willis, Ash-Fox: "linux-restricted-modules-generic" is also allready installed.
[02:12] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, alright, good.
[02:12] <neoncode> Now what...
[02:12] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, sudo aticonfig --initial
[02:13] <neoncode> nothing to do, terminateing
[02:13] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[02:14] <neoncode> Ok, a few warnings about not affecting running session and it's made a backup xorg.conf
[02:14] <morphish> why is everything (686 k7) obsoleted by generic?
[02:14] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, make sure it's set to 'fglrx' when you run this, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:15] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: I've allready run that command... several times...
[02:15] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, I would still like you todo it
[02:15] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: Ok, sorry for being anoying...
[02:15] <Ash-Fox> We just do all the steps properly once. And if doesn't work, then we'll do something else.
[02:16] <neoncode> Should I enable the kernel framebuffer interface?
[02:16] <thomas_> hmm .. I can't get any sound :( and it's not muted
[02:16] <thomas_> and it worked perfectly before reboot
[02:16] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, best leave it as no
[02:16] <shrimp> will someone tell me how to switch my resolution to 1024 by 768 NOTHING I TRY IT WORKING :(
[02:16] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[02:16] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:16] <Ash-Fox> shrimp, xrandr
[02:16] <Dr_willis> shrimp,  what video card?
[02:17] <neoncode> Ok Ash-Fox, i've done that.
[02:17] <campbch> what's the best way to have a program schedule a music file? as like an alarm?
[02:18] <morphish> thomas_: checked dmesg? and comare current to an older one to see which module is loaded, perhaps it is loading the the wrong one before the one you need (happened in case of my nick, i had to blacklist the driver i didn't want)
[02:18] <campbch> cron doesn't recognize music files :(
[02:18] <Dr_willis> campbch,  xmms had an alarmclock plugin i thought
[02:18] <Dr_willis> cron dont have anything to do with it.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:18] <morphish> campbch: i hear amarok has a plugin and xmms has one
[02:18] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, reboot the system, so we can make sure there is no kernel module non-sense with what we did earlier
[02:18] <Dr_willis> most likely cron cant access the audio devices
[02:18] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, and it should work
[02:18] <neoncode> right, see you in a few minutes...
[02:19] <morphish> campbch: or write something that plays a wav with aplay in a script, cron can then execute the script to play that wav
[02:20] <thomas_> morphish: what is dmesg?
[02:20] <morphish> i so miss having EXA
[02:20] <morphish> thomas_: a command you can run
[02:21] <morphish> thomas_: in ubuntu also check /var/log/dmesg.1 .2 .3 and so on for the older messages i refered to
[02:22] <campbch> well...
[02:22] <morphish> thomas_: you can 'zcat /var/log/dmesg.1.gz' to see it
[02:22] <morphish> thomas_: you can 'zcat /var/log/dmesg.1.gz | more' to see it
[02:22] <campbch> i started alarm, and set it to a test time 60 seconds ahead, and it doesn't do anything
[02:23] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: fglrxinfo still complains and I think I entred my monitors sync ranges incorrectly because it put my refresh rate down to 43Hz
[02:23] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, working?
[02:23] <Ash-Fox> Uh.. you should of just used the the detected values
[02:24] <mickael> Hi all, I was wondering if any of you know of a fix for the "su" in terminal? when I type su and wait it says "
[02:24] <mickael> su: Authentication failure
[02:24] <mickael> Sorry.
[02:24] <Ash-Fox> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, set them, logout, then use the 'restart xserver' option
[02:24] <LjL> !root | mickael
[02:24] <ubotu> mickael: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:24] <neoncode> It couldn't audotect the monitor, so I chose "simple" and selected 15-Inch. I don't know what the actual ranges are...
[02:25] <flower> hello
[02:25] <Ash-Fox> mickael, tried 'sudo -i' ?
[02:25] <flower> oh you are linuxians?
[02:25] <Ash-Fox> flower, I'm a Amigian
[02:25] <flower> haa
[02:26] <flower> I am an atarian
[02:26] <Ash-Fox> Never heard of Atarians from the Atari groups
[02:26] <mickael> Ash fox thanks it worked!
[02:26] <Ash-Fox> mickael, good =)
[02:26] <flower> actually, not really a human, just a super intelligent  simulation of a human on 432 xeon servers
[02:26] <flower> go on ask me anything
[02:26] <vge> !xgl
[02:26] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:27] <neoncode> flower: How do I get this damned fglrx driver working then?
[02:27] <Ash-Fox> flower, what is the absolute value of PI?
[02:27] <flower> dude, you are using ATI that's rough.  I go with Nvidia
[02:27] <thomas_> zcat: /var/log/dmesg.1.gz: No such file or directory
[02:27] <LjL> Ash-Fox, it's the number commonly referred to as . there.
[02:27] <morphish> flower: doing the nvidia vs ati bit is not gonna help
[02:28] <flower> yeah I know, I am just bitter cause I wasted a whole day trying to get it to work.
[02:28] <flower> I think that ATI's drivers are broken
[02:28] <neoncode> Do nvidia drivers work better?
[02:28] <flower> yes
[02:28] <dragonflyseven> So can the whole xgl/compix thing work if I don't have a graphics card? (techniclly I do, but if it is used for anything more graphics intensive than the first Half-Life, it crashes the computer.)
[02:28] <flower> installing is waaay faster too
[02:28] <neoncode> Did I hear that they support AIGLX now?
[02:28] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, try the auto configuration option of the dpkg-reconfigure for your monitor, the when it asks you for the level of 'easiness' to set it up, choose easy
[02:28] <morphish> flower: if they were broken than my xpress200m powered amd64 laptop couldn't run them ;)
[02:29] <morphish> neoncode: latest nvidia does support aiglx
[02:29] <flower> well then I am broken. I couldn't figure it out
[02:29] <LjL> "latest" being a beta version
[02:29] <flower> what did you do to get fglrx working then?
[02:29] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: I tried that before and it did this. I used the "medium" level now. Anyway i'm going to restart x now... brb.
[02:29] <dragonflyseven> xgl/compiz*
[02:30] <Ash-Fox> isn't all the nvidia drivers vulnerable to a specific attack that nvidia haven't fixed yet?
[02:30] <flower> could be.
[02:30] <morphish> flower: what hurts is when you have no help from a package manager, and the drivers end u pin /usr/X11R6/modules/drivers when you need them in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[02:30] <morphish> flower: check in which of the two dirs you have fglrx stuff
[02:30] <flower> I feel your pain, I was there once
[02:30] <thomas_> I give up
[02:30] <morphish> Ash-Fox: should be fixed
[02:31] <thomas_> :(
[02:31] <flower> will do, in the mean time, I got a new card
[02:31] <Ash-Fox> morphish, huh, what?
 isn't all the nvidia drivers vulnerable to a specific attack that nvidia haven't fixed yet? <morphish> Ash-Fox: should be fixed
[02:31] <Ash-Fox> If you say so.
[02:31] <morphish> flower: hm, send me your ati card then
[02:32] <neoncode> Ok, refresh rate back to normal but fglrxinfo still complains.
[02:32] <morphish>  | WARNING: nvidia driver has a security problem with a hotfix available from nvidia here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html   <--- from #ubuntu+1 topic
[02:32] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, what does it say?
[02:32] <morphish> Ash-Fox: so i don't say so, i quote so ;P
[02:32] <judgen> how do i check agp for ati? with an nvidia card i just to a "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[02:32] <judgen> but how do i do it with ati?
[02:33] <neoncode> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28345/
[02:33] <Dr_willis> hmm.. ive been seeing all these articals aabout oracle and ubuntu or redhat, and how there would be NO oracle Linux... geee..
[02:34] <campbch__> there's an alarm program, but it says it requires gnome... the only other thing sounds a lot like kontact, but i don't need two programs if i like kontact and just need an alarm :(
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Oracle is erasing Red Hat's trademarks from Unbreakable Linux and supporting it for less than Red Hat is a bolt from the blue.
[02:34] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, did you have 3d acceleration before you installed the ati drivers?
[02:34] <neoncode> before I installed fglrx no
[02:34] <campbch__> :'(
[02:34] <dragonflyseven> !xgl
[02:34] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:34] <neoncode> but these drivers did work in edgy
[02:34] <neoncode> in dapper sorry
[02:34] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, oh for.. do a 'sudo grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log' please
[02:34] <judgen> neoncode: what card do you have?
[02:34] <neoncode> judgen: A Radeon 9600
[02:35] <judgen> what problems are you having?
[02:35] <judgen> no acc at all?
[02:35] <neoncode> Ash-Fox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28346/
[02:36] <neoncode> judgen: Yup, and fglrx drivers won't work.
[02:36] <judgen> what is the last three lines in your xorg.conf?
[02:36] <thomas_> I'm getting upset :(
[02:36] <Ash-Fox> judgen, look at that paste url he gave
[02:36] <morphish> campbch__: xmms-alarm - xmms general plugin for using xmms as an alarm clock.
[02:36] <thomas_> I want my music .. grrr
[02:37] <thomas_> Please help me
[02:37] <campbch__> do i switch to xmms then? is it better than amarok?
[02:37] <morphish> thomas_: lsmod | more  check if your sound card driver is loaded
[02:37] <neoncode> Section "DRI"
[02:37] <neoncode> 	Mode	0666
[02:37] <neoncode> EndSection
[02:37] <judgen> the last paste shows no errors, just that the card does not have accelerated 3d
[02:37] <prower> Hello everyone :> Kind of an off-topic question but I'm sure someone here has probably seen it...is there a way to make all traffic through Apache uses SSL/Certificates through port 80 (assuming that port 443 is blocked by the ISP?)
[02:37] <neoncode> That's my last 3 lines, sorry for the flood but I didn't see the point in paste bining it.
[02:37] <judgen> neoncode: dapper or edgy?
[02:37] <neoncode> edgy
[02:38] <judgen> got the restricted modules?
[02:38] <neoncode> fglrx and 3d accsell worked when I was in dapper. and yes I do
[02:38] <Ash-Fox> judgen, note, I just got him off a 386 kernel, onto generic, with the restricted modules and everything.
[02:38] <judgen> ok
[02:38] <neoncode> and this card isn't broken or anything. I can play oblivion in windows just fine... Well, as fine as you can on a radeon 9600
[02:38] <Dink> neoncode I have a script thath sould work for you sec let me find it
[02:39] <neoncode> Dink: What script? what does it do?
[02:39] <Dink> installs fglrx for you
[02:39] <Ash-Fox> Dink, he uses edgy, and it is installed
[02:39] <judgen> if you keep the edgy-rep fglrx installed just download the .run file from ati.com and run it with a "sudo sh %filename%"
[02:39] <morphish> thomas_: although checking on this computer dmesg | more does not show much sign of my ac97 drivers
[02:39] <thomas_> morphish: I don't think it was listed there
[02:39] <neoncode> So what do I download
[02:39] <neoncode> ?
[02:39] <Dink> it will fix your fglrxinfo crap
[02:40] <morphish> thomas_: what sound card do you have?
[02:40] <judgen> the driver from ati.com
[02:40] <neoncode> right.
[02:40] <judgen> the 44mb package
[02:40] <judgen> that ends with an .run
[02:40] <Dink> i had same problem i use the same card
[02:40] <thomas_> I have two cards .... one integrated in my motherboard ... but I never got it to work in windows so I bought a creative soundblaster 16 card
[02:41] <judgen> Dink: post it to a pastebin
[02:41] <neoncode> Dink, and the driver from ati.com fixes it? thanks morphish
[02:41] <morphish> thomas_: second i have to google for something
[02:42] <thomas_> snd_ac97_codec         93216  2 snd_ca0106,snd_intel8x0
[02:42] <thomas_> snd_ac97_bus            2304  1 snd_ac97_codec
[02:42] <thomas_> i think those are my soundcard
[02:42] <Ash-Fox> thomas_, standard soundcards, definated supported.
[02:42] <Ash-Fox> *definately
[02:42] <morphish> thomas_: the intel 8x0 sounds like it is for built in, btw go to bios and turn off your on board sound card
[02:43] <Dink> neoncode, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28348/
[02:43] <morphish> thomas_: then the only one found is the sb16 and everything hopefully straightens itself out
[02:43] <Dink> chmod it so its executable
[02:43] <Dink> and run it
[02:44] <Ash-Fox> Dink, I can tell immidately that wasn't written for Edgy
[02:44] <Dink> and I can tell you immidately it works on edgy
[02:44] <neoncode> Should I run that?
[02:44] <Dink> yes
[02:44] <morphish> thanks dink, might come in handy this weekend
[02:45] <thomas_> ok
[02:45] <thomas_> I'll try
[02:45] <Dink> np i went through sleepless nights trying to figure out why it ati.com drivers wouldnt work
[02:45] <neoncode> Ok i'll try that script. I'll just edit out the wget bit because I allready downloaded it...
[02:45] <Dink> ohh
[02:45] <Dink> wait
[02:45] <Dink> you have to change a line
[02:46] <Dink> line 11
[02:46] <judgen> Dink: if you have installed a fglrx package before you dont really need to make a dpkg of the .run file. Its installable as it is.
[02:46] <morphish> that reminds me, why is /bin/sh dash and not bash, this confuses scripts madly
[02:46] <judgen> yes
[02:46] <judgen> dont use dash
[02:46] <morphish> judgen: so to link to bash is not going to cause any harm?
[02:47] <Dink> line 11 will give you problems
[02:47] <Dink> make sure you fix that
[02:47] <andrew____> hey guys how do i get to ubuntu>
[02:47] <neoncode> Wait, so what do I have to do? and where do I run this script from or does it not matter?
[02:47] <Dink> sudo cp -f ~/Desktop/APPS/ATI
[02:47] <Dink> change that
[02:47] <judgen> morphish: not that i am aware of
[02:48] <Dink> actually you can probebly remove the ~/Desktop/APPS/ATI
[02:48] <Dink> I just had my script in that dir
[02:48] <morphish> judgen: good, then i'll leave it, drove me nuts trying tu use the install.sh from matrox and it kept on failing, to look at ls -al /bin/sh took me a while :/
[02:49] <Dink> gtg pick up the wife... bbl
[02:49] <neoncode> So I can comment out line 11 compleately and the wget line because it's allready downloaded?
[02:49] <andrew____> how do i switch to the ubuntu channel
[02:49] <andrew____> >
[02:49] <andrew____> ?
[02:49] <neoncode> andrew____: type "/join #ubuntu"
[02:49] <andrew____> thanks
[02:49] <andrew____> :D
[02:50] <morphish> andersgo: in irssi? if you already: /j #ubuntu    then you can alt+1-0 and so on
[02:50] <morphish> ack, wrong completed nick
[02:50] <neoncode> Dink: so I can just comment out those lines?
[02:51] <neoncode> ...?
[02:51] <neoncode> Anyone?
[02:52] <judgen> gaah where is the modprobe script in ubuntu....... its most common to be in /etc/modprobe.conf but nooooo not in ubuntu =(
[02:52] <hombero> anyone have a few minutes to help me figure out which one i want, (kubuntu,edubuntu,ubuntu) etc>
[02:53] <judgen> neoncode: yes thats what he said
[02:53] <nolan_> \join #cakephp
[02:53] <neoncode> judgen: right, thank you
[02:53] <judgen> hombero: what enviroment have you used before
[02:53] <felixjet> should i install apache or apache 2 ?
[02:53] <campbch__> ok, xmms has definately crashed
[02:53] <campbch__> and will not close, how do i kill it?
[02:54] <campbch__> how do i view process ids?
[02:54] <judgen> use ksysgard to kill it graphically
[02:54] <TFrog> anyone had any good luck with ndiswrapper on Edgy Eft yet?
[02:54] <felixjet> campbch__:  kSySGuard
[02:54] <judgen> to get ids you use "ps" and to kill you just kill it
[02:55] <judgen> hombero: do you come from mac or windows or linux or beos background?
[02:56] <morphish> campbch__: ps ax , get the pid, kill -9 $pid
[02:56] <neoncode> ok Dink, your script has run. I'll reboot now... wish me luck people
[02:56] <campbch__> :o over my head :'(
[02:57] <campbch__> i killed it graphically
[02:57] <morphish> judgen: you see people come here switching from beos??
[02:57] <campbch__> i am pointing to a directory, and a file on two separate attempts and xmms will not alarm.
[02:57] <MegaMasterX> BeOS gave me nightmares.
[02:57] <hatchek> Question about nvidia drivers... I know what the problem is, but not how to correct
[02:58] <morphish> beos rocked on my BP6, back in the day
[02:58] <judgen> hombero: (this is just an geralization) mac users tend to like gnome=ubntu, windows users tend to like kde=kubuntu, beos users tend to like xfce=xubuntu and edubuntu is just a collection of edcational apps for the same distro(s)
[02:58] <now3d> hatcheck: what is it?
[02:58] <campbch__> :o it froze again
[02:58] <campbch__> ok, xmms is gone.
[02:58] <judgen> campbch__: how do you make xmms freeze?
[02:58] <judgen> campbch__: impressive achievement
[02:58] <hatchek> Well, there are 2 kernel modules that load at boot which take over the nvidia thing before x11 gets ahold of them...
[02:58] <campbch__> first time i hit... enable on one of the equalizer plugins
[02:59] <campbch__> and the second time i hit current volume
[02:59] <hatchek> This is causing the system to just stop and show the kubuntu loading screen
[02:59] <campbch__> on the other plugin screen
[02:59] <morphish> hatchek: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist them maybe?
[02:59] <hatchek> If I do a ctrl+alt+f4 then I can rmmod these 2 modules and startx successfully
[02:59] <campbch__> things are generally stable, ive not made anything else freeze at all, let alone twice in 60 seconds
[02:59] <campbch__> and kde isn't even catching it
[03:00] <hatchek> Morphish: I just add the 2, one per line in that file?
[03:00] <morphish> hatchek: i keep the wrong wifi driver from taking over my card this way, should work for you too if you do not need those modules
[03:00] <morphish> blacklist prims2_pci
[03:00] <morphish> like this
[03:00] <hatchek> morphish: OK, I'll give it a try and report back.
[03:00] <morphish> of course add your module name, not mine ;)
[03:01] <morphish> such a blacklist file is very handy
[03:01] <felixjet> should i install php5 or 4 ?
[03:01] <felixjet> or 4 and 5 ? xD
[03:02] <campbch__> ok, i normally use my cell phone as an alarm, but it is not functioning, so i need to use my laptop. So far, xmms has frozen twice and will not play sounds when it doesn't freeze, kcron doesn't recognize music, kontact has no way to play sounds at a certain time, and amarok's alarm.py script will not do anything when the clock hits.
[03:02] <morphish> felixjet: i have something that asked for php4.1 or higher and loves php5, this is as much as i know on the subject
[03:02] <mickael> my xmms started freezing when I switch from one radio stream to another I have to close it every time I want to hear a diferent stream. I use kdydguard to kill it but notice mutiple xmms apps open when I kill one they all close?
[03:02] <campbch__> where do i go next for an alarm? i need to get up at 4:30 tomorrow, and can't afford to miss it
[03:02] <felixjet> morphish:  but php5 works fine? or too buggy yet'
[03:02] <campbch__> it's an xmms conspiracy
[03:03] <campbch__> definately spending wayyyy too much time on something that should take 30 seconds
[03:03] <morphish> kcron will only run binaries most likely, make a little file that does aplay your_noisy.wav, chmod 700 it (or 755, see and find out, i hope 700) and then kron can run a script (as it likes to) that in turn plays a wav
[03:03] <mickael> I still prefer xmms ove Amorock
[03:03] <morphish> mickael: gentoo will drop xmms in less than 30 days
[03:04] <morphish> the dev is too lazy to fix the bugs
[03:04] <MegaMasterX> It will?
[03:04] <MegaMasterX> Wow.
[03:04] <campbch__> amarok is nice.
[03:04] <morphish> http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2006/10/23/my-personal-birthday-present
[03:04] <morphish> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152472
[03:05] <MegaMasterX> ouch.
[03:05] <mickael> I purged Amorock from my sys thats how much I luv it
[03:06] <campbch__> :p
[03:06] <mike> t-??h
[03:07] <tolkan> Does anyone have any experience establishing .Xmodmap in Kubuntu?
[03:07] <pluto> Good evening.  Is there are utility similar to xchat in xubuntu?
[03:08] <Jucato> pluto: um try asking in #xubuntu ?
[03:08] <Jucato> this is the Kubuntu channel
[03:08] <pluto> Jucato: sorry.  I just noticed I was in the wrong room. Bye.
[03:08] <Jucato> :)
[03:08] <bLaZeD> lol
[03:09] <morphish> what woud keep him from apt-get install xchat ?
[03:09] <bLaZeD> he probly just installed linux
[03:09] <bLaZeD> or somthng
[03:09] <bLaZeD> im hoping...
[03:09] <prower> Hmm...perhaps not, thanks anyway :>
[03:09] <neoncode> Dink: That script did it!
[03:09] <neoncode> Yes!
[03:10] <morphish> neoncode: so i won't be getting your ati card either? ;P
[03:10] <neoncode> morphish: Why would you want an ATI card that old?
[03:10] <morphish> neoncode: oh you must not be the x800 guy
[03:10] <morphish> neoncode: what card is it?
[03:11] <neoncode> I don't know exacly what that script did but it cracked it. Thank you very, very much Dink, and everyone else who helped me like Ash-Fox. =)
[03:11] <neoncode> morphish: Radeon 9600
[03:11] <morphish> nice card, i would take one
[03:11] <Ash-Fox> neoncode, good to hear.
[03:12] <morphish> all i have laying around is this matrox G550 in here with poorly supported xorg drivers (no EXA :( ) or a old GF2, which might be fun once nouveau gets included in xorg or distros
[03:12] <neoncode> morphish: Not realy. I want to get one of those nvidia G80 cards when they come out.
[03:12] <campbch__> how long after a release is released do people usually adopt it? generally, things will stay working, correct?
[03:13] <luisa> hola
[03:13] <neoncode> So yes, thankyou all very muchly.
[03:14] <hatchek> ok, apparently the modules I turned off before arent there anyway so they arent the problem. But lsmodding leaves me wondering what vga16fb does?
[03:14] <luisa> hola??
[03:14] <azahid> can somebody help in understanding why the video quality on this mms://secure13.jumptv.com/channeli_hi link is so bad in linux but very good in XP? What can I do to fix it?
[03:14] <morphish> hatchek: probably the 16 color mode frame buffer driver/part of it
[03:15] <hatchek> morphish: i'll try blacklisting that :p
[03:15] <rawrness> !MD5 sum
[03:15] <rawrness> !MD5
[03:16] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[03:17] <morphish> hatchek: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it fails from a terminal, see what error it gives, maybe it gives some more ideas as to which module is doing it
[03:17] <morphish> juck, my zen micro has issues with the usb on this box
[03:18] <hatchek> The log shows: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[03:18] <hatchek> Then it says ***aborting** and proceedes to unload nvidia, ramdac and fb
[03:19] <morphish> then instead of blacklisting others, do load that?
[03:19] <hatchek> What is the opposite of blacklist?
[03:19] <hatchek> The funny thing is, it was working before I restarted
[03:19] <Brydenn33> whitelist? lol
[03:19] <tolkan> its whitelist.
[03:19] <campbch__> :P
[03:20] <tolkan> does anyone know about .Xmodmap in Kubuntu?
[03:20] <hatchek> But im not really sure now what I did
[03:20] <tolkan> I'm trying to get mouse buttons and keyboard buttons to stick
[03:20] <Brydenn33> and of course the Gray List is in the middle ;) lol
[03:20] <tolkan> and its not working
[03:22] <morphish> brb
[03:23] <method|> edgy out?
[03:24] <rawrness> tomorow
[03:24] <method|> cool
[03:24] <method|> i have xgl and beryl on dapper, if i do an upgrade to edgy will it break anything?
[03:27] <rawrness> who knows :P
[03:27] <cellofellow> I'm still on Dapper. I just downloaded the Swiftfox 2 deb package. What would be the best way to install that?
[03:28] <rawrness> i broke my stystem like 3 times typing to update
[03:28] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[03:28] <rawrness> but i am a moron
[03:28] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: I also have Swiftfox 1.5 still installed. Upgrade rather than installation.
[03:28] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[03:29] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: what about my profile? will many extensions like Gmail Skins and Greasemonky and Google Toolbar break?
[03:29] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: Some extensions and themes aren't updated yet so they won't work.  Most things do though
[03:30] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: so, I don't have to uninstall 1.5 first?
[03:30] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: I also have Firefox 1.5 which insists on being there.
[03:30] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: No.  dpkg -i will upgrade it just like it does with everything else
[03:30] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: You don't remove firefox.  sudo dpkg -i file.deb  will handle everything for you
[03:31] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: could FF 1.5 and SF 2.0 exist without a fight?
[03:31] <cellofellow> coexist rather.
[03:31] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: You have to have firefox installed.  It upgrades it all for you.  You have no worries
[03:32] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: ok. I'll take your work for it.
[03:32] <sombra> boa noite
[03:32] <sombra> alguem pode ajudar
[03:32] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: I use swiftfox and upgraded using the .deb package today from firefox 1.5.0.7 to swiftfox 2.0 without issues.  It's built that way for reasons
[03:32] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: ok, thanks
[03:32] <sombra> gostaria de saber como configurar um servidor para hospedagem de sites no ubuntun
[03:33] <Jucato> !es
[03:33] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:33] <cellofellow> What's the keystroke for openning a terminal within konqueror?
[03:33] <Jucato> cellofellow: F8
[03:33] <cellofellow> Jucato: thanks, forgot it.
[03:33] <Jucato> :)
[03:33] <cellofellow> hmm, not working.
[03:35] <Blacken> Gotta love dist-upgrades. Kernel panic in the install, broken package hell, and then, to top it off, it decided to scrum GRUB. And there was much rejoicing.
[03:35] <Hawkwind> !upgrade
[03:35] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:35] <campbch__> hmmm... everything necessary seems to be set up with the exception of my synaptics thing, but i'll live with that...
[03:35] <coder921> Any PPPoE package already available on the LiveCD?
[03:35] <Hawkwind> Hmm, that's not the right fact
[03:36] <campbch__> i need to darken the theme a bit to save my eyes, if i were to install a theme from kde-look.org would it cover everything?
[03:36] <Jucato> coder921: nope. you can use the "pppoeconf" command in Konsole, though
[03:36] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I know about the page...at this point it's time to vent and throw rocks. :p
[03:36] <cellofellow> campbch__: most of the kde-look themes I've installed have been pretty all-inclusive.
[03:36] <Hawkwind> Blacken: That's not the one I wanted you to see
[03:37] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Aha.
[03:37] <Hawkwind> Blacken: fdoving made one today that has a very handy script and works like a charm
[03:37] <Blacken> Hawkwind: It's a little late--I'm mid-breakage ATM.
[03:37] <Blacken> Hawkwind: The thing panicked in the middle of the bloody install.
[03:37] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I'm trying to recover without reinstalling.
[03:37] <sombra> i from Brasil,give support
[03:37] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: it broke a theme and a couple of little extensions, but Googel Browser Sync and Toolbar, Performancing, and Gmail Skins and Greasemonkey are fine.
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If I can find the URL it'll help you fix the problems
[03:38] <motorhead> hai
[03:39] <Blacken> Hawkwind: That'd help a lot, thanks.
[03:39] <cellofellow> The Firefox 2 defualt theme is a LOT nicer than Firefox 1 & 1.5. I might actually keep it.
[03:40] <campbch__> alright :D
[03:40] <coder921> Jucato:thank u
[03:40] <Hawkwind> Blacken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[03:41] <cellofellow> To bad no one could help sombra
[03:41] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I'm in the middle of trying basically the same thing at the moment.
[03:42] <cellofellow> Which version of KDE does Kubuntu Edgy have?
[03:42] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Right now I'm chrooted into my broken install and am re-dist-upgrading.
[03:43] <Jucato> cellofellow: 3.5.5
[03:44] <cellofellow> Jucato: that's the latest, right?
[03:44] <Jucato> yep
[03:45] <hatchek> Yes!
[03:45] <hatchek> I figured it out
[03:45] <campbch__> i got a theme, installed it, but it won't... install... and it's not under available themes
[03:45] <hatchek> Last time I used adept, I updated the kernel and didnt update the linux-restrictedmodules thing to match it
[03:45] <hatchek> All better =D
[03:46] <Jucato> campbch__: what kind of theme? could you give a link so we could double check?
[03:46] <campbch__> it's a .kth file...
[03:46] <Jucato> ah
[03:46] <campbch__> i dont have the link anymore :( it's smooth_grey
[03:46] <campbch__> it should go automatically?
[03:46] <campbch__> o.O
[03:46] <Jucato> campbch__: did you use the Theme Manager from KControl (not system settings)
[03:47] <campbch__> where is kcontrol?
[03:47] <Jucato> campbch__: Alt+F2, "kcontrol"
[03:47] <hatchek> locate kcontrol
[03:47] <campbch__> i got it
[03:47] <Jucato> campbch__: .kth themes (which, imho, are basically useless most of the time) can only be installed using the Theme Manager from KControl
[03:48] <hatchek> Question, how do I enable num lock by default?
[03:48] <Jucato> hatchek: System Settings -> Mouse
[03:48] <campbch__> it works!
[03:48] <LjL> hatchek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[03:49] <hatchek> ty LjL
[03:49] <Jucato> LjL: unnecessary in KDE
[03:49] <Hawkwind> I thought it was enabled by default in KDE
[03:50] <Hawkwind> That's a Gnome specific only how-to that isn't needed here
[03:50] <Jucato> hatchek: you don't need that link. you can enable Num Lock in System Settings -> Mouse
[03:50] <hatchek> Im not seeing it
[03:50] <Hawkwind> Or do it there :)
[03:50] <Hawkwind> hatchek: systemsettings   Type that in a terminal, then click on Mouse
[03:51] <Jucato> er sorry
[03:51] <Jucato> lol
[03:51] <Jucato> hatchek: Sysetm Settings -> Keyboard
[03:51] <Jucato> damn I need to get some tea
[03:51] <hatchek> Ahh
[03:51] <Jucato> rofl
[03:51] <hatchek> Nice
[03:51] <hatchek> :p
[03:51] <Hawkwind> Bahhh, I even said mouse as well as I was watching Jucato type
[03:51] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:52] <Jucato> hatchek: sorry for the confusion :P
[03:52] <hatchek> no probs
[03:52] <hatchek> :p
[03:54] <hatchek> Ok next order of business.. turning on the samba server
[04:00] <campbch__> :o
[04:00] <pault> hellllloooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:00] <pault> oi
[04:02] <intelikey> it's back
[04:03] <Jucato> hi intelikey
[04:03] <super_noobs> pault diz corno
[04:03] <campbch> killed
[04:03] <campbch> my resolution :'(
[04:04] <intelikey> Jucato
[04:04] <Dink> neoncode, cool glad it worked :)
[04:04] <neoncode> =D Perfectly. I can view the DOA X2 trailer in fullscreen with no slowdown. xD
[04:05] <intelikey> man getty says that -l login_program     Invoke the specified login_program instead of /bin/login.   could that be done on a per user basis ?
[04:05] <campbch> and it won't go back to the original settings, is there a way to completely redefaultatize my theme?
[04:06] <dragonflyseven> Ok, I am getting sick of strange sound issues. Does anyone know of a reason that sound would work perfectly playing a flash video in firefox for about a minute, then suddenly get stuck and repeat like a broken record? If I close the tab the sound goes away, but if I restart the video it does it again, but in a different place.
[04:06] <hatchek> I dunno, I noticed that often times audio will begin to pass the video and cause sync problems
[04:06] <hatchek> Youtube is notorious for this
[04:07] <dragonflyseven> Yes, it happens in youTube. I had another crackling sound issue in dapper, but now that I use edgy it is this. Is there a way to switch sound rendering things, like a software mode rather than a sound card?
[04:08] <Dink> How do I get keyboard models to show up in keyboard layout. Right now nothing comes up just blank ?
[04:08] <campbch> :o
[04:08] <stephen_> Hello all
[04:09] <stephen_> Does anyone know if there are packages out there for dapper for digikam 0.9.0-beta3
[04:09] <intelikey> Dink maybe install other locals ?  or kde-i18*'s
[04:10] <Dink> can you elaborate some more on what you mean by locals ?
[04:11] <Dink> should be .us
[04:11] <motorhead> damn
[04:11] <BluesKaj> gut ebening
[04:11] <intelikey> Dink apt-cache locale
[04:12] <intelikey> Dink i mean type  "apt-cache search locale"  in a konsole
[04:12] <Dink> yea i figured your mistyped
[04:12] <intelikey> note language packs and locales
[04:13] <Jucato> intelikey? mistype? no way!
[04:13] <Jucato> :p
[04:13] <intelikey> Jucato lol
[04:13] <Dink> yea all then en already installed
[04:13] <dragonflyseven> Where are all the sound card settings located?
[04:14] <hatchek> try kmix
[04:14] <intelikey> you want a keymap that is not en-us install a locale that is not en-us
[04:14] <Dink> belocs-locals-bin, liblocale-gettext-perl, locales, mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb, thunderbird-locale-en-gb, util-linux-locales
[04:14] <dragonflyseven> Also, if I just comment lines in xorg.conf, is that an ok way to disable an eraser/pointer stick mouse?
[04:14] <campbch> i can't believe it
[04:14] <campbch> everything's changed
[04:14] <Dink> I was trying to setup the logitech keyboard but when I went in there nothing came up
[04:14] <Dink> the keyboard layout
[04:14] <Dink> the drop down list nothing is in there
[04:15] <BluesKaj> has anyone had a fonts holdback prob with edgy update
[04:15] <campbch> the theme manager borked my resolution, the background of the windows, the actions menu now i cant even edit as root from konqueror O_O
[04:15] <Jucato> I've got *LOTS* of held back packages when I dist-upgrade :P
[04:15] <campbch> is there any way to restore defaults on everything? everything kde starts with?
[04:16] <campbch> massive kde rollback?
[04:16] <intelikey> campbch rm -fr ~./kde
[04:16] <Jucato> campbch: rename your ~/.kde to ~/.kde_backup
[04:16] <Jucato> just to be safe...
[04:16] <campbch> i had everything i wanted, it took 30 seconds to get eeevvverything :(
[04:16] <intelikey> should be done from a console without kde running.
[04:16] <BluesKaj> some of the holdbacks are  a sources list problem
[04:16] <campbch> where is kde?
[04:17] <Jucato> ~/.kde
[04:17] <intelikey> where is kde ????   scattered all over /usr/*  and your home dir
[04:17] <campbch> do i say ~? or the path?
[04:17] <campbch> does it matter?
[04:17] <httpdss> campbch: if you want to control which apps startup, got to systemsetting > advanced > session manager
[04:17] <campbch> thats not it
[04:17] <intelikey> ~ == $HOME
[04:17] <campbch> k
[04:18] <Jucato> campbch: err... logout, then Ctrl+Alt+F1, then type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop", then "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_backup"
[04:18] <Jucato> then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[04:18] <campbch> :o
[04:18] <Jucato> take note of the spaces
[04:18] <campbch> no way
[04:18] <campbch> here we go....
[04:19] <campbch> how do you memorize all that?...
[04:19] <Jucato> ??
[04:19] <Jucato> write them down?
[04:19] <campbch> for all the times one would have to redo kde in his life
[04:19] <neoncode> !xgl
[04:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:20] <cellofellow> OO.o 2.0.4 is released. Will that version be in Edgy?
[04:20] <intelikey> Jucato once again let me mention that if a backup is desired one should use a tar archive because far too often people think they can just move that dir back and all will be restored but it doesn't overwrite by default.  tar however does.
[04:20] <Jucato> someone here mentioned once that it's possible to get 3d hardware acceleration with just the "nv" driver. is it really possible?
[04:20] <Jucato> intelikey: er.. yeah :)
[04:20] <Jucato> !openoffice.org edgy | cellofellow
[04:21] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[04:21] <Jucato> cellofellow: read up :)
[04:21] <cellofellow> Jucato: maybe with Intel on-board cards.
[04:21] <cellofellow> Jucato: thanks, answer = yes
[04:21] <Jucato> er.. "nv" :P
[04:21] <cellofellow> What drivers are included?
[04:22] <intelikey> hmmm cellofellow i didn't know intel on board cards were nv ???
[04:22] <felixjet> !drp
[04:22] <felixjet> ups
[04:22] <Jucato> nv is the free/open-source driver for NVIDIA
[04:22] <felixjet> !ftp
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <cellofellow> I know nvidia and ati aren't but there are more drivers.
[04:22] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[04:22] <cellofellow> Jucato: oh, never mind then.
[04:22] <Jucato> :)
[04:23] <cellofellow> Jucato: I do know I've never heard of propriety drivers for Intel or VIA integrated cards.
[04:23] <Jucato> I want to see if I can live without much nonfree stuff. well obviously I can't live without libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs eheheh :P
[04:23] <cellofellow> Jucato: so they must be open source drivers only.
[04:23] <Jucato> cellofellow: probably. but I don't know whether IGP's have 3d hardware acceleration
[04:24] <campbch> worked perfectly :D thanks!
[04:24] <Jucato> campbch: <intelikey> Jucato once again let me mention that if a backup is desired one should use a tar archive because far too often people think they can just move that dir back and all will be restored but it doesn't overwrite by default.  tar however does.
[04:24] <cellofellow> Jucato: maybe turning on the kernel-framebuffer module in X will make things faster. I had to for my tnt2 with nvidia-legacy driver.
[04:24] <campbch> what's it mean
[04:24] <campbch> ?
[04:25] <Jucato> cellofellow: nah. it's not about the speed, though. 3D Desktop won't work without hardware acceleration. anyway thanks! :)
[04:25] <Jucato> campbch: ask intelikey :)
[04:25] <campbch> so...
[04:25] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I hope the cups server is better in the stable release than this one
[04:25] <Lunar_Raven> hi everyone, I installed the new fedora along side my kubuntu today for fun.  However, my computer is now slow as hell..i think i accidently deleted my swap..anyway to see?  and if i did, can i get it back?
[04:25] <cellofellow> campbch: means make an uncompressed tar archive of your stuff.
[04:25] <mark_> can any one help regarding ipp
[04:25] <campbch> i dont back up a directory, i back up a .tar file, because the way it handles the copying of the two are different?
[04:25] <campbch> did i make a backup?
[04:25] <mark_> can any one help regarding ipp
[04:25] <mark_> can any one help regarding ipp
[04:26] <campbch> i was going from a backup to the current, not the other way around?
[04:26] <Hawkwind> mark_: Stop repeating yourself please
[04:26] <Dink> intelikey, btw i found the fix to my problem... rm -rf /usr/share/X11/xkb, sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11
[04:26] <cellofellow> Jucato: well, without hardware, meaning GPU, acceleration of 3D renering, things are really slow, and your framerate dips to like 0.5 fps. Thats what the GPU is all about.
[04:26] <Hawkwind> mark_: If/When someone knows they will help you.  However, it's best if you be descriptive in what you need help with exactly
[04:26] <intelikey> means if you try to restore from your backup dir of the old kde configs, you need to rm the new existing ~./kde first.  then move the backup dir to ~/.kde campbch
[04:26] <cellofellow> Jucato: so theres were speed comes in.
[04:26] <mark_> ok
[04:26] <intelikey> Dink is that edgy ?
[04:26] <Dink> yeah
[04:26] <kolin> what c compiler is used to compile konversation?
[04:26] <campbch> alright :P
[04:26] <Jucato> cellofellow: well my card has hardware acceleration. but the open source drivers aren't able to use them afaik
[04:26] <intelikey> ok.   that's a bug  i hope it's reported.
[04:27] <Lunar_Raven> hi everyone, I installed the new fedora along side my kubuntu today for fun.  However, my computer is now slow as hell..i think i accidently deleted my swap..anyway to see?  and if i did, can i get it back?  <-----anyone?
[04:27] <Jucato> kolin: ask in #konversation. they might now (if someone's there)
[04:27] <kolin> thanks
[04:27] <cellofellow> Jucato: well, since nvidia has release their own drivers, I think the insentive to hack the cards has sort of gone away.
[04:27] <Dink> i never really payed attention to it until now that i actually have time to setup my keyboard properly
[04:27] <Blacken> Xorg seems to be misconfigured to only allow root to start it. Can anyone point me to where to go to fix this?
[04:28] <Lunar_Raven> !swap
[04:28] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[04:28] <dennis__> is it possible to convert a perl script to a .deb ??
[04:28] <cellofellow> Blacken: I dan start X as user, startx in a normal terminal, while X is not running, starts X in vt:7 like normal, but as user.
[04:28] <intelikey> Blacken rm ~/.*auth*
[04:29] <Blacken> intelikey: And that does what, exactly?
[04:29] <intelikey> unlock it
[04:29] <mark_> i have a ubuntu 6.06 printserver and i we have here a windows client install the printer through ipp in windows machine when i finished installed the driver in th windows machinel; when i try to print it got no result what should i do?
[04:29] <Blacken> Alrighty.
[04:29] <intelikey> may need sudo
[04:29] <jbrouhard> !boot
[04:29] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:29] <Blacken> intelikey: I'm currently running X as root, because it was the only way to boot it. :p
[04:30] <kolin> jucato, they sent me back over to you guys
[04:30] <kolin> cause it may be a distro specific problem
[04:30] <cellofellow> does X run as root, or as some kind of special system user?
[04:30] <mark_> i have a ubuntu 6.06 printserver and we have here a windows client install the printer through ipp in windows machine when i finished installed the driver in th windows machine; when i try to print it got no result what should i do?
[04:30] <intelikey> it will run as root
[04:30] <intelikey> kdm default doesn't allow root login
[04:30] <Jucato> kolin: er, I thought you were just asking a general question
[04:30] <BluesKaj> !xorg
[04:30] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:31] <intelikey> but that's a whole different ball of wax
[04:31] <megamasterx> Help! I've got some bad things that just happened...
[04:31] <cellofellow> intelikey: I know that, but I'm taling about the actual X server daemon. Would it be more secure to have it run as a system user than as root?
[04:31] <kolin> nopers
[04:32] <kolin> i can't install the newest version of konversation
[04:32] <megamasterx> I tried installing ubuntu-desktop to run a program...
[04:32] <megamasterx> But now I've messed my entire installation
[04:32] <jbrouhard> oKAY
[04:32] <megamasterx> my resolution is messed up
[04:32] <intelikey> cellofellow it wont run as anything but uid=0
[04:32] <jbrouhard> Is there any documentation that explains the *buntu boot process ?
[04:32] <Jucato> kolin: on Dapper? the latest available on Dapper is Konversation 1.0
[04:32] <jbrouhard> I have a friend who wants to look at it in depth ?
[04:32] <cellofellow> intelikey: hmmmm, oh well.
[04:33] <mark_> can i private message someone
[04:33] <intelikey> cellofellow do a ls -l /etc/X11/X  /usr/bin/Xorg
[04:33] <cellofellow> k
[04:33] <intelikey> see the S   suid root.
[04:34] <kolin> yeah
[04:34] <kolin> dapper is right
[04:34] <kolin> i have 0.19
[04:34] <cellofellow> intelikey: ok, whatever that means. I assume it means that only root can exectute the file?
[04:34] <Jucato> !konversation dapper-backports
[04:34] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu5~dapper1 (dapper-backports), package size 6036 kB, installed size 12204 kB
[04:35] <Jucato> kolin: ^^^^^^
[04:35] <Jucato> kolin: you need to enable dapper-backports to get version 1.0
[04:35] <reynaldo__> hello... which package i need to play mp3 files?
[04:35] <crweb> what happened to kgpg?
[04:35] <intelikey> cellofellow oh contrare.  it means that whom ever exec's it it is still running as root.
[04:35] <kolin> how do i do that?
[04:35] <crweb> More context:  what happened to kgpg in edgy!?
[04:35] <intelikey> that's what sudi bit does.
[04:36] <Jucato> kolin: in your sources.list, enable the dapper-backports repository
[04:36] <intelikey> err suid
[04:36] <Jucato> !repositories
[04:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:36] <cellofellow> intelikey: so, if it's executed by user, it becomes root anyways?
[04:36] <Jucato> !repositories | kolin
[04:36] <ubotu> kolin: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:36] <intelikey> prezactly cellofellow
[04:36] <kolin> ahhh...ok then
[04:36] <kolin> thanks!
[04:36] <kolin> let me see if i can get this working
[04:36] <intelikey> and on a system that does not allow suid that means that it fails to exec for anyone but root.
[04:37] <intelikey> I may be running the only NON-SUID linux box in the world today.
[04:37] <intelikey> not a boast jut a guess.
[04:38] <reynaldo__> whats the necesary codec to play mp3 files???
[04:38] <intelikey> !codecs
[04:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:38] <megamasterx> Why do I have to move my mouse to the edge of the screen to move my screen around?!
[04:39] <megamasterx> How can I fix it?
[04:39] <megamasterx> Its getting annoying.
[04:39] <Jucato> ??
[04:39] <megamasterx> My resolution doesn't take up my entire screen.
[04:39] <intelikey> megamasterx the vertual rez. in /etc/X11/xorg.conf comment it out.
[04:39] <megamasterx> ?
[04:40] <megamasterx> Sorry, i'm getting sleepy and its tough to understand.
[04:40] <megamasterx> \Pastebin it?
[04:40] <intelikey> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:40] <megamasterx> ok
[04:40] <cellofellow> Yeah, I like that feature. In fluxbox and xfce, I can drag a window to the edge of the screen, and it pops up in the other side of the screen in the next virtual desktop.
[04:40] <cellofellow> Not KDE, that I've noticed.
[04:41] <megamasterx> Uhm
[04:41] <Jucato> KDE has that, too
[04:41] <megamasterx> I'm gonna pastebin this
[04:41] <intelikey> scroll down or search for the word "vertual"    comment it out.   (put # as first char of the line)
[04:41] <megamasterx> It popped an error
[04:41] <megamasterx> or two
[04:41] <Jucato> but megamasterx's problem isn't what you're talking about cellofellow
[04:41] <megamasterx> 2 X Errors
[04:41] <cellofellow> Jucato:  I realize that now.
[04:42] <megamasterx> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[04:42] <megamasterx> I guess it needs a little configuration
[04:42] <jbrouhard> #kgpg
[04:42] <jbrouhard> err
[04:42] <megamasterx> ?
[04:42] <jbrouhard> !kgpg
[04:42] <jbrouhard> ooh
[04:42] <ubotu> kgpg: GnuPG frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 431 kB, installed size 1376 kB
[04:42] <jbrouhard> HAHA
[04:43] <cellofellow> Jucato: So, how do I enable the desktop windows dragging thing?
[04:43] <Jucato> hold on.
[04:43] <intelikey> megamasterx looks like the wacom device thingy
[04:43] <megamasterx> I'm tired of having to scroll around my screen.
[04:43] <megamasterx> And what?
[04:43] <intelikey> comment that out too.
[04:43] <cellofellow> megamasterx: yeah, wacom device, useful if you own one, anoying if you don't.
[04:44] <megamasterx> wacom?
[04:44] <megamasterx> O-o
[04:44] <cellofellow> megamasterx: pen-tablet things.
[04:44] <Jucato> !baddevice
[04:44] <ubotu> baddevice is If you are getting errors similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168  Then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[04:44] <cpk2> intelikey: couldnt he just do ctrlalt+/- until he got the right resolution
[04:44] <megamasterx> I'm getting
[04:44] <megamasterx> 169
[04:44] <intelikey> cpk2 prolly but why have to do that each time you login ?
[04:45] <intelikey> cpk2 just commenting out the vertual rez fixes that.
[04:45] <megamasterx> restarting X brb
[04:45] <cellofellow> Jucato: I'm not finding that option in kcontrol.
[04:46] <intelikey> i have a question.   "man getty" says that " -l login_program     Invoke the specified login_program instead of /bin/login."   could that be done on a per user basis ?
[04:47] <megamasterx> >: ( This is making me mad now.
[04:47] <cellofellow> intelikey: I don't understand. getty runs before login, it's the login manager for the console.
[04:47] <cellofellow> intelikey: so how can it tell what user it is?
[04:48] <intelikey> cellofellow getty runs login.   so when you login it calls login to start your session.
[04:48] <cellofellow> intelikey: you can set different shells for users if that's what you want.
[04:48] <intelikey> cellofellow no
[04:48] <cellofellow> ok
[04:48] <cellofellow> :/
[04:49] <intelikey> thanks for the input anyway.
[04:49] <Jucato> cellofellow: strange, I had it on Dapper, can't do it know on Edgy... give me a few more minutes :)
[04:50] <cellofellow> Jucato: I'm still on Dapper for a few more days.
[04:51] <cellofellow> what are bogomips?
[04:51] <cellofellow> Sysinfo for 'josh-desktop': Linux 2.6.15-27-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Pentium III (Katmai) at 449 MHz (899 bogomips), HD: 3/11GB, RAM: 284/313MB, 90 proc's, 1.11d up
[04:51] <intelikey> see getty is called by init. thus it is running as root. i am looking for a way to automate a startx session for one login who knows nothing about cli on this primarily console only system.  the user can't issue startx because the system is nosuid.   thus if init doesn't do it it don't get done.
[04:52] <Jucato> cellofellow: iirc, in the Window Behavior, the "traverse window on all desktops" gives that feature
[04:52] <cellofellow> Jucato: ok
[04:52] <cellofellow> Jucato: wait, I have that checked and it's not working.
[04:52] <Jucato> hm.. how about "Desktop Navigation wraps around"?
[04:53] <intelikey> and i don't want *dm as my console login....   thus the question can getty call something besides login on a per user basis.
[04:53] <Jucato> cellofellow: I'm really baffled that I can't do it know on Edgy (KDE 3.5.5)
[04:53] <cellofellow> Jucato: I don't see that anywhere.
[04:54] <Jucato> it's just below the "Traverse windows on all desktop"
[04:54] <intelikey> jucato  "K"now ?   too much kde for you.
[04:54] <Jucato> anyway, I swear I was able to do it on Dapper KDE 3.5.4...
[04:54] <Jucato> lol
[04:54] <cellofellow> Jucato: that's set too, has been all along.
[04:54] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah.. too much K...
[04:54] <intelikey> :)
[04:54] <Jucato> hmm must be something else then...
[04:54] <intelikey> at least one too much.
[04:55] <cellofellow> Jucato: those seem like they should be it though. Strange.
[04:55] <kolin> all worked out jucato
[04:55] <kolin> thaks for the help
[04:55] <Jucato> kolin: sure no probl :)
[04:55] <Jucato> problem*
[04:56] <kolin> seems i had a whole bunch of upgradable packages
[04:56] <intelikey> i liked probl   thought you were coining a new one.
[04:56] <Jucato> heheh
[04:56] <Jucato> kolin: notably, Kopete and K3b
[04:56] <Jucato> probably Amarok too, not entirely sure though
[04:57] <Jucato> heheh
[04:57] <cellofellow> No luc
[04:57] <Jucato> sorry cellofellow... I'm as puzzled as you are...
[04:57] <cellofellow> luck
[04:57] <intelikey> opps arrest cellofellow for cursor abuse.
[04:57] <Jucato> lol stupid me
[04:57] <Jucato> :)
[04:58] <Jucato> cellofellow: Window Behavior, Advanced Tab, Active Desktop Borders, set to "only when moving" or "always enabled"
[04:58] <intelikey>  Active Desktop Borders  <--- that'd be it.
[04:58] <cellofellow> of course! that's the one option I didn't try,'
[04:58] <intelikey> lol
[04:59] <xsacha> would this work? : sudo linux32 wine explorer notepad stuff.txt ?
[04:59] <Jucato> didn't sound logical to me at the time... active window borders... :P
[04:59] <cellofellow> Active Desktop Borders, I guess it makes sense. Should talk to KDE devs about that.
[05:00] <intelikey> xsacha if linux32  is a command that can take the rest as args then it shoud.
[05:01] <hammer> yo! i've set up midi!
[05:01] <xsacha> linux32 runs a 32-bit program in amd64 arch
[05:01] <Jucato> hammer: good for you. you're one in a million I guess
[05:01] <intelikey> xsacha i'm not sure about the dubble app "explorer notepad"   but i don't do windows
[05:01] <hammer> Jucato: =)
[05:01] <xsacha> yeah in explorer, anything you enter will be run through system call
[05:02] <cellofellow> hammer: really? how'd you do it? and what apps do you use?
[05:02] <intelikey> xsacha also generally you specify the path to the .exe files. and include the extentions.   but again i don't do windows.
[05:02] <hammer> cellofellow: apt-get timidity
[05:02] <hammer> cellofellow: i needed midi for KGuitar
[05:02] <xsacha> in windows, like linux, it'll check PATH dirs
[05:03] <hammer> cellofellow: apt-get *install* timidity
[05:03] <xsacha> just wondering if there's any problems having all those programs run eachother
[05:03] <cellofellow> hammer: is that similar to Finale? (Never actually used finale noteworthy composer instead.)
[05:03] <hammer> cellofellow: dunno =)
[05:03] <hammer> !finale
[05:03] <Blacken> Friend of mine just upgraded his Thinkpad R60 (with what I believe is an Intel wireless device) to a linux-686-smp kernel, and now wireless has decided to die. Anyone have any experience with this?
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about finale - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <cellofellow> hammer: sound card midi or usb? I don't have a MIDI sound card.
[05:04] <hammer> cellofellow: built-in ac97
[05:04] <cellofellow> hammer: Finale is a commercial MIDI and note program for Mac and Windows, runs around $600.
[05:04] <intelikey> xsacha shouldn't be.   but something like this might fix it if it fails. "sudo linux32 wine /full/path/explorer.exe /full/path/notepad.exe /relative/path/from_your-C:\\/stuff.txt "
[05:05] <cellofellow> hammer: ok. I've got a USB cable hope it works.
[05:05] <hammer> cellofellow: actually, timidity is fully software
[05:05] <felixjet> !ftp
[05:05] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[05:05] <cellofellow> hammer: what's that mean?
[05:05] <hammer> cellofellow: it does not depend on hardware, i think
[05:06] <intelikey> or perhaps /relative/path/from_your-C:\\/notepad.exe  if it's actually an arg to explorer.exe
[05:06] <cellofellow> hammer: I've looked in the repos and saw Timidity, and also saw LilyPond, which is a TeX based note-layout program. Anybody ever used that?
[05:06] <xsacha> doesn't need full path intelikey :)
[05:06] <hammer> bb
[05:06] <cellofellow> hammer: bye bye
[05:07] <intelikey> xsacha good i haven't played with wine in ages.  it used too.
[05:07] <xsacha> works same as windows :)
[05:07] <intelikey> i guess the configs are getting better.
[05:08] <cellofellow> Anybody know if there are Google Earth deb packages anywhere? on the google website I can only find a self-extracting bin file.
[05:08] <cellofellow> Windows-style yuck
 automatix has it
[05:09] <cellofellow> Satafterh: where's it get it?
 no idea
[05:10] <intelikey> xsacha as to the origenal question/thought the longest single command line i have yet typed in a console is about three pages/screens long.   linux is not limited to 256 chars like dos was/is    it's 64k
[05:10] <bLaZeD> !schedule
[05:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
 i have it installed and it works fine
[05:10] <xsacha> yeah, sure, probably a script though.. i was talking about amount of programs run directly in one line :P
[05:11] <intelikey> me to
[05:11] <cellofellow> intelikey: and, just curiose, what is the longest bash script line you've written.
[05:11] <intelikey> cellofellow i don't know.
[05:11] <xsacha> ls and cd, etc.. :P cheating
[05:11] <cellofellow> intelikey: oh, well.
[05:11] <intelikey> cellofellow i used to make all my scripts one line long but others whine about it so...
[05:11] <cellofellow> xsacha: cheating? what's that mean? I don't get it.
[05:12] <cellofellow> intelikey: I think lines are easier, but to each his own.
[05:12] <xsacha> what about number of programs in a row that run eachother
[05:13] <Satafterh> has edgy been released yet
[05:13] <xsacha> no
[05:13] <cellofellow> intelikey: is there some kind of escape character to break lines up in bash?
[05:13] <bLaZeD> Satafterh, lol i was typing that question
[05:13] <Jucato> a few more hours...
[05:13] <xsacha> you mean: \
[05:13] <bLaZeD> will it be released at 12 tonight?
 you owe me then
[05:13] <intelikey> cellofellow yes \
[05:13] <bLaZeD> hehe
 pay with paypal
[05:14] <bLaZeD> there
[05:14] <cellofellow> Is there no Google Earth deb package cause the linux version, google earth 4, is still beta?
[05:15] <bLaZeD> cellofellow, i think the plf packaged a google earth
[05:15] <bLaZeD> might wanna google it
[05:15] <intelikey> ironic
[05:15] <cellofellow> bLaZeD: what's plf?
[05:15] <bLaZeD> cellofellow, google it
[05:15] <intelikey> penguin liberation front
[05:16] <cellofellow> bLaZeD: ok
[05:16] <Hawkwind> !plf
[05:16] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[05:16] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: No need to send someone to google when the info is in the bot
[05:16] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, slippd my mind
[05:16] <bLaZeD> ;D
[05:16] <cellofellow> extra repo?
[05:16] <intelikey> jah
[05:17] <intelikey> as in (un-free)
[05:17] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: I see your name in the Wiki all the time, did you like write ubotu's content? you sure know a lot about him.
[05:17] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: You don't see my name in the Ubuntu wiki
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:17] <Hawkwind> I've probably edited 2 - 3 pages of the Ubuntu wiki
[05:17] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: Or you mean the bot facts ?
[05:18] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: well, maybe I just am lucky.
[05:18] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: oh, both
[05:18] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: you've your own page on the Wiki.
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Seveas codes the bots but I know their content fairly well.  It only helps users here if you know the bots information
[05:18] <cellofellow> Hawkwind:  last I checked.
[05:18] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: Yes, as most regular users do
[05:18] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: oh, ok. I thought it was something special.
[05:19] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: Heh nope.  You can have one too if you want.  Just create it and edit it
[05:19] <Jucato> you have to register in the wiki page first
[05:19] <Jucato> or is it register in Launchpad?
[05:20] <Hawkwind> You have to register on the wiki first.  LP is seperate
[05:20] <intelikey> either way i should be excluded
[05:20] <cellofellow> I've got a LaunchPad account, used it for ShipIt, but not Wiki.
[05:22] <felixjet> i installed apache2 . server is ok, i can view it with konquerer but not with firefox, it doesnt load anything, just stay in the same page as i am. why?
[05:22] <intelikey> cause ff is weak ?
[05:23] <felixjet> so? xD
[05:23] <felixjet> it sould load
[05:23] <BluesKaj> so Hawkwind, what time does the Edgy "Official Release" happen tomorrow ?
[05:23] <cellofellow> Konqueror is cool. Reminds me a lot of Explorer but is more like Safari, better than both.
[05:24] <BluesKaj> or anyone who knows :)
[05:24] <felixjet> about apache, virtual host is a need?
[05:24] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Roughly in about 12 hours
[05:24] <cellofellow> I heard Midnight, but could be wrong.
[05:24] <intelikey> felixjet i don't know. just saw an opening and took a jab at ff.  maybe cause i don't like ff,  or maybe because i do like konqueror.
[05:24] <cellofellow>  Midnight GMT that is.
[05:24] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: That's wrong :P
[05:24] <Hawkwind> That was a rumor that was being spread
[05:25] <cellofellow> intelikey: konqueror is great untill you want a greasemonkey script.
[05:25] <intelikey> cellofellow but i don't want one.
[05:25] <intelikey> :)
[05:26] <BluesKaj> ok Hawkwindm thx ...I'll sleep in then :)
[05:26] <intelikey> nor flash nor java.
[05:26] <cellofellow> intelikey: ok, good then. I do use konqueror when I don't want to wait for firefox to turn on. Even the swiftfox build takes a minute to start.
[05:26] <Satafterh> where can i get cedega
[05:26] <intelikey> !cedega
[05:26] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[05:27] <cellofellow> intelikey: flash I can live without, java is something I want. I noticed that when I installed Sun java OO.o went loads faster.
[05:27] <digivore> Where are icons stored in Kubuntu?
[05:27] <cellofellow> digivore: /usr/share/icons/default.kde/
[05:28] <Jucato> hm.. now I'm getting "Conversation with su failed" and "su returned with an error" messages..
[05:28] <digivore> cellofellow, thanks
[05:28] <intelikey> cellofellow oo is too heavy for me.  i do use abiword on occation though (others insist on that other format.)
[05:28] <cellofellow> digivore: well, /usr/share/icons, and some in /usr/share/pixmaps
[05:28] <cellofellow> intelikey: you mean M$ .doc or OpenDocument?
[05:29] <intelikey> the former.  but i don't like to contaminate my key board by typing it.
[05:29] <Jucato> hm.. what do I do again when sudo complains that the timestamp it too far into the future?
[05:29] <cellofellow> intelikey: here here
[05:29] <cellofellow> Jucato: use NTP?
[05:30] <Jucato> ?
[05:30] <intelikey> koffice is ok.  but i don't need all of it.
[05:30] <Jucato> nah something with su/sudo...
[05:30] <felixjet> hah! curius
[05:30] <Jucato> intelikey: then don't install all of it :)
[05:30] <cellofellow> Jucato: Network Time Pool. keep youself in time with the rest of us.
[05:30] <intelikey> Jucato i havent  ;/
[05:30] <felixjet> intelikey: the website dont load but when i resize the window it works
[05:30] <n8k99> intelikey: you know you can use parts of koffice individually
[05:30] <Jucato> heheh
[05:31] <intelikey> n8k99 yes. kspread for one.
[05:31] <cellofellow> intelikey: kontact, which I don't use, is sort of part of koffice. it integrates kmail and other things into an outlook or evolution competititor,
[05:31] <intelikey> yeah which i don't want or need cellofellow
[05:32] <dennister> i'm back...looking for more server & network troubleshooting assistance for a suddenly-very-slow system
[05:32] <cellofellow> intelikey: which is another reason FF beat Konqueror. Konqi sucks at AJAX/DHTML
[05:32] <dennister> can anyone help me get back my old speed?
[05:33] <Jucato> cellofellow: or Google sucks in following standards...
[05:33] <cellofellow> Jucato: never tried notebook, what's that?
[05:33] <Jucato> a notebook...
[05:33] <Jucato> :)
[05:33] <cellofellow> Jucato: maybe, or maybe the standards are behind the times.
[05:33] <dennister> other issues is that apache2 can't bind to listening port
[05:33] <Jucato> anyway, gotta reboot *gasp*
[05:33] <Jucato> bye
[05:33] <intelikey> reboot ?
[05:34] <intelikey> must be the upgrade
[05:34] <dennister> intelikey: could you help me with these issues?
[05:34] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Hah yeah.  He's still having issues after his upgrade
[05:34] <intelikey> dennister no.  if i could i would though.
[05:34] <dennister> hey! Hawkwaind :)!
[05:34] <intelikey> dennister network is that thing i never learned.
[05:34] <dennister> oops Hawkwind :)
[05:35] <lainproliant> hi everyone :)
[05:35] <dennister> how r ya, my fav guru?
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Hey there dennister.  About to head to bed actually
[05:35] <dennister> aw...too bad
[05:35] <lainproliant> i have a question concerning Anjuta
[05:36] <dennister> can u recommend someone else who's good at this stuff?
[05:36] <lainproliant> i installed the wxWidgets libraries successfully, i can compile a wxWidgets app from source at the command line
[05:36] <intelikey> when jucato gets back ask him
[05:36] <lainproliant> okies intelikey
[05:36] <dennister> jucato's good at networking? servers?
[05:36] <lainproliant> oh wait
[05:37] <dennister> so am i, lol
[05:37] <intelikey> :)
[05:37] <lainproliant> to whom were you speaking intelikey?
[05:38] <dennister> goodnight Hawkwind
[05:38] <lainproliant> that is what is the source of our confusion
[05:38] <intelikey> yes
[05:38] <lainproliant> i think what is going on with me is strictly a problem with automake
[05:38] <intelikey> back in a few.
[05:38] <lainproliant> i just don't know how to resolve it
[05:38] <lainproliant> okies
[05:40] <dennister> quiet in here...anyone need some help with multimedia?
[05:40] <lainproliant> hehe not that i know of ^_^ soz
[05:41] <cellofellow> Anybody know what this means? I downloaded the googleearth package from PLF website and tried to install:
[05:41] <cellofellow> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `googleearth' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[05:41] <dennister> heheh...that's about all I'm almost-an-expert-in
[05:42] <dennister> cellofellow: does it give u any missing dependenceies
[05:42] <cellofellow> no, it just kind of hangs.
[05:42] <dennister> try dpkg -f...anyone? i've forgottent he line to fix broken packages
[05:43] <dennister> perhaps dpkg -f install?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get -f install
[05:43] <dennister> i do remember that you shouldn't mention any packages by name
[05:43] <dennister> that's it!
[05:43] <cellofellow> Hawkwind: local package, not repo.
[05:44] <dennister> wb Jucato
[05:44] <Jucato> thanks dennister
[05:45] <dennister> intellikey was saying you could help someone in here...I'm hoping it's with my suddenly-slow system
[05:45] <dennister> or the apache2 that suddenly can't bind to the ssh port
[05:45] <Jucato> :(
[05:45] <Jucato> I know neither of those...
[05:45] <morphish> ok, how do i tell kubuntu not to rewrite my xorg.conf each time, even if i switch cards and X fails till i fix xorg.conf from console?
[05:46] <dennister> ok...no probs...it was a bit confusing 'cause intellikey didn't say who you'd be able to help
[05:46] <dennister> everyone was hoping it was them, heheh
[05:47] <Jucato> heh
[05:48] <dennister> anyone here ever done a successful chroot/dbootstrap?
[05:49] <dennister> guess not...
[05:49] <cellofellow> some help here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28377/
[05:49] <cellofellow> I installed the googleearth package using the kubuntu package thingy, but that couldn't accept the EULA so it broke.
[05:49] <cellofellow> Can't uninstall now.
[05:50] <Jucato> cellofellow: try installing it again from Konsole?
[05:50] <cellofellow> Jucato: ok
[05:50] <Jucato> is it a .deb package,btw?
[05:50] <idiot_ad> oi..oi..oi
[05:50] <cellofellow> Jucato: yes
[05:51] <cellofellow> Jucato: I think I'll turn off the active desktop borders thing. X has been really slow since I turned it on. Jerky mouse, etc.
[05:52] <Jucato> cellofellow: really? I don't think it has anything to do with it though... but probably...
[05:52] <dennister> super_noobs: ? what a nic :)
[05:53] <dennister> r u super at helping noobs like us?
[05:53] <cellofellow> more errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28378/
[05:55] <motorhead> lol
[05:55] <dennister> hi Motorhead...r u up for some networking assistance?
[05:56] <Motorhead> nope
[05:56] <dennister> heheh
[05:56] <Travis> Hello
[05:56] <dennister> i'm beginning to think it's hopeless tonight...getting that help i mean
[05:56] <Motorhead> ill consider it ;)
[05:57] <dennister> oh yeah? what would it take?
[05:57] <Motorhead> cuz... im new to linux
[05:57] <Travis> How do I get Kubuntu to change the desktop size?  It's at 640x480 and it won't adjust any further
[05:57] <Motorhead> i don't feel im helpful at it, yet
[05:57] <dennister> ah...ok
[05:58] <Motorhead> i got some ideas though
[05:58] <Motorhead> lol
[05:58] <Motorhead> whats your problem?
[05:58] <dennister> Travis: System Settings, Display
[05:58] <Travis> Dennister, I did that
[05:58] <Travis> it will not adjust to anything higher
[05:59] <dennister> hmmm...and i have difficulty adjusting to lower sometimes
[05:59] <cellofellow> Travis: there's something in xorg.conf about allowed resolution modes.
[05:59] <dennister> but not normally
[06:00] <Travis> ok and just how do I change that?
[06:00] <dennister> Motorhead: my problem is that my system has - all of a sudden -slowed to a crawl
[06:00] <super_noobs> dennister, i got lot of answers
[06:00] <dennister> oh yes?
[06:00] <dennister> <-----gets all excited
[06:01] <cellofellow> Travis: the only way that I've ever edited xorg.conf is using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:01] <dennister> do u know why my apache2 can't bind to the ssh port?
[06:01] <dennister> it used to, but not now...
[06:01] <cellofellow> dennister: is ssh running?
[06:01] <dennister> it was...i stopped it, no joy
[06:02] <cellofellow> my system' been choppy for a while. probably need to restart X.
[06:02] <dennister> and the 443 port is open, apache just can't bind to it, so can't start
[06:03] <dennister> the error message when i try to start apache is: 98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :443
[06:04] <dennister> so it shuts down, even though the listening scokets arre available and it is able to open logs
[06:05] <Travis> could it be that Kubuntu just doesn't support the card I have?
[06:05] <dennister> oops...part of konsole was cut off, *no* listening sockets available
[06:06] <dennister> well super_noobs? got an answer for that one?
[06:06] <Travis> it detects my card as an i810
[06:07] <dennister> fildo? anyone?
[06:08] <super_noobs> dennister, for what?
[06:08] <Travis> wait one
[06:08] <dennister> for why apache2 can't bind to port 443 all of a sudden
[06:09] <Travis> ok this ain't right either
[06:09] <dennister> alternatively, could you help me figure out how to correct a suddenly-and-painfully-slow system?
[06:10] <dennister> or how to get rid of a faulty dchroot/debootstrap atttempt?
[06:10] <fildo> gimme a sec bud, bathroom , coffee
[06:10] <fildo> n ill be back
[06:11] <super_noobs> dennister, change u nick and u ll get better answers
[06:11] <cellofellow> grrrr... my system came to screaching rusty halt, not even SSH worked.
[06:12] <dennister> super_noobs: no need to be like that...i was gently teasing u, and hoping u could help
[06:12] <dennister> it was affectionately and welcomingly meant
[06:13] <Motorhead> .
[06:13] <super_noobs> dennister, have u used "top" to see what is the process eating CPU time?
[06:14] <dennister> no...i've never heard of that...although i did try to list the processes, and there were very few
[06:14] <dennister> the system is even slow at getting sound server going at boottime...with no apps running
[06:15] <super_noobs> dennister, try "top"
[06:15] <super_noobs> and tell me what process is killing u system
[06:15] <Travis> ok I am rebooting.  I hope to find out something soon.
[06:16] <reynaldo_> jelou im kind of new at kubuntu and i need to make it print over my house network  to printer connected to another computer with windows
[06:16] <dennister> sorry, i have output, but don't know how to interpret results
[06:16] <dennister> ??
[06:16] <super_noobs> dennister, look at PU %MEM
[06:17] <super_noobs>  %CPU %MEM
[06:18] <dennister> that column is almost all filled with 0's
[06:18] <cellofellow> any screen gurus here?
[06:18] <dennister> several 1's or less than 1
[06:18] <super_noobs> hummm, so why you say u PC is slow? hummm , try "free"... lets see how much free memory u PC has
[06:20] <super_noobs> dennister paste results here  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:20] <dennister> 2060880 total, 1499048 free
[06:21] <Travis> THanks all.  That helped a lot
[06:21] <dennister> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28381/
[06:21] <cellofellow> anyone here a screen guru? I want to move something I pasted into a Konsole running screen into a VT running screen.
[06:22] <dennister> it's slow at loading any web pages in konq...there's a noticeable delay at boottime to even get sound server going...i'm used to an extremely fast system
[06:22] <super_noobs> dennister, why do you think u system is slow? do you play games ?
[06:23] <dennister> no, i'm not a gamer...but it often takes over a minute to load a web page
[06:23] <dennister> i'm used to a second or two
[06:23] <super_noobs> hhummm... dennister, but what about local files? does it open fast?
[06:23] <dennister> not as fast as normal
[06:24] <super_noobs> can you past the output of TOP?
[06:24] <dennister> i can pretty well feel it when my system is not feeling well...and that's even before more serious things become apparent
[06:25] <dennister> like apache2 not being able to load
[06:25] <dennister> sure
[06:26] <dennister> scratch that; I can't because it's dynamic, and changes with every piece of traffic from konversation
[06:26] <cellofellow> is there a way to put a newline in an echo? like \n in C's stdio.h?
[06:27] <felixjet> !umask
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <felixjet> !ntfs
[06:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:27] <super_noobs> dennister, how do you start u apache2?
[06:27] <felixjet> !fstab
[06:27] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[06:27] <felixjet> <.<
[06:27] <cellofellow> !fishing > felixjet
[06:28] <felixjet> can someone explain me whats umask=  for fstab?
[06:28] <cellofellow> felixjet: man fstab migh tell you, or man mount.
[06:28] <dennister> usually it's /etc/init.d/apache2 restart from command line, but it's supposed to start at bootime
[06:28] <dennister> sometimes when i'm modifying it i use webmin, too
[06:29] <super_noobs> dennister,   u need to mark it to start at boot time with KDE configuration utility
[06:30] <stoic> hello everyone
[06:30] <felixjet> cellofellow:  no :S
[06:30] <dennister> it used to start at bootime, but now it can't...i haven't used KDE config utility yet...hold on
[06:31] <stoic> i am having some problems with wine when i try to install adobe photoshop CS2, i am getting error messages where the font looks more like vertical lines than actualy font so i cant read the errors, anyone in here might know how to help?
[06:31] <dennister> i can't seem to find the KDE config utility on my system
[06:32] <super_noobs> wait
[06:32] <super_noobs> dennister, on konsole--> try kcontrol
[06:33] <david__> anyone know why firefox shows google so strange on ubuntu
[06:34] <dennister> i got ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[06:34] <cellofellow> dennister: use the kde launcher thingy, alt-F2 instead.
[06:34] <super_noobs> are you root?
[06:34] <dennister> yes, i'm root
[06:35] <super_noobs> dennister, as normal user: sudo kcontrol, or alt-F2  as sujested by cellofellow
[06:36] <cellofellow> super_noobs: kdesu for graphical apps, not sudo.
[06:36] <cellofellow> dennister: alt+F2, kdesu kcontrol
[06:37] <cellofellow> Anyone know how to cange the editor that sudoedit uses?
[06:37] <cellofellow> I'd rather vim or nano to whatever it uses.
[06:37] <dennister> k.did the sudo kcontrol, and got a whole screen of errors...i'll paste
[06:37] <cellofellow> dennister: kdesu
[06:38] <cellofellow> Seveas as in the repository>
[06:38] <cellofellow> ?
[06:39] <dennister> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28385/
[06:39] <Hawkwind> cellofellow: Yes
[06:40] <cellofellow> Interesting...
[06:40] <Jazon> hi guys
[06:40] <dennister> kdesu gave me less data than the pasted stuff, but it is similar
[06:40] <Jazon> so, a few issues with edgy on my laptop.......
[06:40] <Jazon> 1.  closing lid no longer hibernates the computer
[06:41] <super_noobs> dennister, execute this steps as normal user
[06:41] <Jazon> 2.  disk burning is *extremely* slow
[06:41] <super_noobs> dennister, open a new konsole man
[06:42] <dennister> k, done...what do u mean by 'man'?
[06:42] <Jazon> 3.  troubles with orphaned processes (is that the right word?  pid's that keep running even when program is closed) and consuming 99% +  of cpu
[06:42] <super_noobs> dennister, u
[06:43] <dennister> oh, ok, sex...i'm actually a female, u know
[06:43] <dennister> heheheh
[06:43] <ports> dennister sure
[06:43] <Blacken> OK, trying to reinstall Dapper because Edgy was very, very unhappy on my machine. QTParted let me blast my old ext3 partition, but is not giving me the option to create a partition there...any idea why this might be?
[06:43] <Jazon> dennister: english slang.... like mate, or friend, or dude
[06:43] <ports> mate is australian..
[06:43] <dennister> lol...i am: a 45 year-old woman and proud mom
[06:44] <Acker> :O
[06:44] <cellofellow> Blacken: perhaps write the stuff to disk and re-run QTParted?
[06:44] <super_noobs> dennister, nice... i am 28 man, married
[06:44] <Blacken> cellofellow: I did.
[06:44] <Jazon> Blacken: I had some serious issues with dapper installers partition module
[06:44] <cellofellow> Blacken: uh, oh. can;t help. don't know what to do.
[06:44] <Blacken> Jazon: I did too. Twice.
[06:44] <dennister> great time out for chuckles and repartee...u had some directions in mind for me super_noobs?
[06:44] <cellofellow> Blacken: just use QTParted. From the menu.
[06:44] <Jazon> Blacken: personally, i would recommend using the gparted livecd for all partition work
[06:45] <Blacken> Jazon: If I had one, that'd be great.
[06:45] <Jazon> you can make one :)
[06:45] <Blacken> cellofellow: That's what I'm *doing*. I said QTParted, not the installer qtparted widget.
[06:45] <Jazon> its only like 30mb
[06:45] <Blacken> Jazon: No...I can't. This machine has my only CD-R drive. :P
[06:45] <cellofellow> Blacken: oh, sorry
[06:45] <Jazon> do you have a usb drive?
[06:45] <Blacken> Jazon: Not here.
[06:45] <Jazon> hmmm
[06:45] <super_noobs> no
[06:46] <Blacken> If it works, yay, if it crashes, oh well.
[06:46] <dennister> ? u teasing me?
[06:47] <super_noobs> dennister, no
[06:47] <super_noobs> dennister, why would i do that?
[06:47] <Jazon> Blacken: you cant boot even to console from hdd?
[06:47] <Blacken> Jazon: Not now that I've nuked ext3...
[06:47] <Jazon> dennister: where you from?
[06:47] <Blacken> I apt-get'd gparted onto the livecd distro (I have 2GB of RAM, it's still happy).
[06:48] <Jazon> ahhhh lots of ram is always good
[06:48] <dennister> [23:41]  <super_noobs> dennister, execute this steps as normal user
[06:48] <Jazon> should be fine :)
[06:48] <cpk2> Jazon: I think I have several orphaned procs while running dapper =P
[06:48] <cpk2> but doesnt seem to hurt hehe
[06:48] <super_noobs>  i g2g... many things to do..  bye all
[06:48] <cpk2> mem and cpu is still fine
[06:49] <Jazon> cpk2: have you tried burning a disk?
[06:49] <dennister> followed by: [23:41]  <super_noobs> dennister, execute this steps as normal user
[06:49] <cpk2> Jazon: I burned a dvd about 2 days ago
[06:49] <cpk2> Uptime: 6 days, 23 hours and 6 minutes
[06:49] <dennister> great...
[06:49] <darksoul> oh i love this shit
[06:50] <Jazon> cpk2: no speed issues?
[06:50] <dennister> Jazon: sorry, I'm from Toronto
[06:52] (dennister/#kubuntu) like i did recently..it took a week to save the data and all
[06:53] (dennister/#kubuntu) ok...back to topic: can anyone help me fix all these errors I pasted?
[06:53] (Jazon/#kubuntu) cpk2: ahhhh ok....  well, i hadnt noticed this happening until i d-u'ed
[06:53] <Jazon> dennister: whats the url to the paste?
[06:54] <dennister> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28385/
[06:55] <darksoul> !nivida
[06:55] <dennister> heck...the paste even proves i'm female
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nivida - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <dennister> lol
[06:56] <cpk2> try restarting dcop?
[06:57] <Jazon> dennister: line 14? heh
[06:57] <cpk2> also if the X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 errors bug you comment out everything that mentions wacom in your xorg.conf
[06:57] <dennister> u got it :)
[06:57] <Jazon> when do you get this error dennister?
[06:57] <robin> how can i mount a cd image
[06:57] <dennister> i ran a sudo kcontrol command
[06:58] <dennister> lol...i'm still a newb
[06:58] <Jazon> dennister: ahhhh  one sec - may have something for you...
[06:59] <dennister> and as a middle-aged early retiree, i'm hardly a chick anymore, but thx
[06:59] <dennister> <----old b4 her time
[06:59] <dennister> i'm just a geek-wannabe...fed u with microshaft
[07:00] <dennister> fed up*
[07:01] <Jazon> dennister: this you? http://www.spilth.org/pictures/girls/ceren/daemonbabe.jpg   ;-)
[07:01] <dennister> lol...
[07:01] <dennister> yep
[07:01] <dennister> rofl
[07:02] <dennister> but back to topic b4 we forget it?
[07:03] <Jazon> dennister: try kdesu <command>   instead of sudo <command> and tell me what happens
[07:04] <dennister> it's slightly less information, but similar data
[07:04] <Jazon> dennister: also, does the application launch?
[07:05] <dennister> yes...i just did it again, it still talks about a bad device: 169
[07:05] <Jazon> but the app launches right?
[07:05] <dennister> invalid or uninitialized major opcode 147, minor 3
[07:05] <dennister> yes, if u mean kdesu, it launches
[07:05] <dennister> unless u mean a different app?
[07:06] <Jazon> dennister: what program are you trying to start?
[07:06] <dennister> apache2 won't start at boottime, or with any other method..can't bind to the socket
[07:07] <Jazon> ahhh  ok
[07:07] <Jazon> how did you install?
[07:07] <dennister> I started this linux installation with ubuntu-server, then desktops on top of it
[07:07] <dennister> apache and all the other server apps were working fine this morning
[07:08] <Blacken> Note to laptop users...avoid Edgy if you've got widescreen or ATI graphics, it ain't ready yet.
[07:08] <dennister> now the whole system is slow to bootup, and while I've solved other problems, the apache is still stumping me
[07:09] <sheft> Hi, I'm installing WoW now. I have copied all the cds to my HDD. Now the installer asks me to insert next disc. I have tried to just press OK, and I have tried to copy the installation files to the directory where I put the installationfiles from first directory. Anyone know how to fix this?
[07:09] <Jazon> Blacken: i am not all that happy with apci on my nec i-select either (with edgy)
[07:10] <sheft> Uhm, if you understood what I tried to say guys =).
[07:10] <Blacken> Jazon: I'm installing Dapper again.
[07:10] <Blacken> Jazon: It ain't worth this bloody hassle.
[07:10] <Jazon> i am thinking about putting quantian on my other partition...
[07:11] <Blacken> I was giving serious thought to heading back to Slackware. But that would be like kicking myself in the junk.
[07:11] <dennister> I'm pretty sure that, since apache isn't successfully booting with the system, that's what may be causing other things to slow down afteeeer kde loads
[07:11] <Jazon> dennister: i would check with the folks in #apache
[07:12] <dennister> :(
[07:12] <dennister> and I probably won't have time to do that for a few days
[07:13] <dennister> which means I won't be able to get this java installed properly, let alone my second attempt at the ivtv drivers
[07:13] <dennister> this is going to be a myth box, come hell or high water
[07:14] <dennister> but it's taking forever to solve some of these probs
[07:15] <Blacken> dennister: For a myth box, you may want a lighter distro.
[07:15] <dennister> would someone be able to help me get rid of the ssh server? perhaps then apache will load again
[07:15] <Jazon> dennister: why not use the myth live cd?
[07:15] <dennister> a lighter distro? this is the only one that would install...it's an amd64 system
[07:15] <dennister> I tried for 6 weeks to get Mandriva 64 going
[07:16] <fignew> dennister: run i386
[07:16] <robin> anyone know how or if you can mount a cd image in kubuntu
[07:16] <Jazon> dennister: http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[07:16] <dennister> i also tried to install knoppmyth...wouldn't work with my nvidia card
[07:16] <fignew> robin: loopback
[07:16] <dennister> i have it here actually
[07:17] <fignew> mount -o loopback
[07:17] <dennister> this hardware cost about 3 grand
[07:17] <fignew> or mount -t loopback
[07:17] <Jazon> dennister: ouch!
[07:17] <dennister> yeah...i call it labellebette for a reason
[07:18] <dennister> translated it means beautiful monster
[07:19] <dennister> sorry jazon, i'm not registered for pm
[07:21] <Blacken> All my configs went buh-bye.
[07:21] <rredd4> i have ubuntu and kubuntu, how do i remove ubuntu?
[07:22] <dennister> Jazon: hold on trying to get kopete going
[07:23] <Jazon> dennister: ok
[07:23] <kubuntu> How can I find out what type of fs is on a device?
[07:23] <Jucato> rredd4: try this link: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[07:23] <rredd4> ty\
[07:24] <kubuntu> is there like a lsfs ?
[07:24] <Jucato> kubuntu: "df" then look for your device?
[07:24] <Jucato> er no not that
[07:25] <kubuntu> is there an app?
[07:25] <NightBird> mount?
[07:26] <kubuntu> that shows you mount points
[07:26] <kubuntu> I have an unmounted device
[07:26] <kubuntu> NightBird: Nice name btw
[07:26] <NightBird> h...
[07:26] <NightBird> thanks, kubuntu
[07:28] <dennister> jazon: i think i'm finally connected for pm
[07:28] <Jazon> k
[07:28] <dennister> kopete/msn, rather
[07:28] <Jazon> k, add me
[07:30] <dennister> i did, awhile back
[07:30] <Jazon> dennister: dont see it here...
[07:31] <rredd4> Jucato  get this message:  I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/var/lib/scrollkeeper/(null)/scrollkeeper_cl.xml
[07:31] <Jucato> ?
[07:31] <rredd4> uninstalling ubuntu get that message
[07:32] <Jucato> hm...
[07:32] <Jucato> sorry I have no idea about that one...
[07:32] <rredd4> ok
[07:33] <kubuntu> So no takers?
[07:34] <Jazon> dennister: hop into #jd
[07:36] <Jucato> kubuntu: um.. fdisk -l?
[07:36] <dennister> hop into what?
[07:36] <Jazon>  /join #jd
[07:41] <pibarnas> I couldn't install automatix following the steps of automatix hp... could anyone make it happen?
[07:42] <pibarnas> it simply tells it can't be found...
[07:42] <sheft> How do I  install firefox 2.0?
[07:42] <sheft> i downloaded firefox-2.0.tar.gz
[07:48] <Dasnipa] [> sheft, just wait like 12 hours for edge
[07:48] <Dasnipa] [> edgy
[07:49] <sheft> edgy?
[07:49] <fignew> yes, edgy
[07:50] <sheft> fignew: what is that?
[07:50] <Dasnipa] [> the new version of ubuntu coming out tomorrow
[07:50] <Dasnipa] [> which will include firefox 2.0
[07:50] <sheft> cool. kubuntu too?
[07:51] <Dasnipa] [> yep of course
[07:51] <fignew> wow
[07:51] <fignew> :P
[07:51] <sheft> whats new  there?
[07:51] <sheft> :)
[07:51] <kubuntu> Right
[07:51] <Dasnipa] [> sheft, many thing too many to list probably but there will be a large changelog posted eventually
[07:52] <sheft> but, new for me that i notice as a normal desktop user :)
[07:52] <Dasnipa] [> yeah of course
[07:52] <sheft> like firefox 2
[07:52] <Dasnipa] [> every package for the most part is updated to their latest releases
[07:52] <sheft> will it have another look?
[07:53] <Dasnipa] [> some minor UI tweaks in this one i think
[07:53] <sheft> ok
[07:53] <sheft> kubuntu has KDE, right?
[07:53] <Dasnipa] [> right
[07:53] <sheft> does it have new KDE?
[07:53] <sheft> i heard something about KDE4.
[07:53] <Dasnipa] [> it should have the latest release of kde, kde 4 is not out yet
[07:53] <Blacken> sheft: KDE4 is not near ready.
[07:54] <Blacken> sheft: Feisty might have it, but I'd bet more on feisty+1.
[07:54] <sheft> whats feisty?
[07:54] <Dasnipa] [> feisty+1 if we are lucky
[07:54] <Blacken> Edgy+1.
[07:54] <Dasnipa] [> feisty is the next planned release for kubuntu, in 6 months
[07:54] <sheft> ok.
[07:54] <Blacken> Dasnipa] [: You seriously think it'll be that long?
[07:54] <sheft> i think there is too complicated to change themes and the look in KDE
[07:55] <sheft> there's too much hazzle =(
[07:55] <Blacken> sheft: ...It's easier than in any other OS or WM I've ever seen.
[07:55] <Blacken> Considerably easier to change a lot more than in Windows.
[07:55] <Dasnipa] [> Blacken, at least. ill be surprised if kde is on their first release candidate at that time
[07:55] <sheft> yeah, but first u can change style, then theme, then buttons, then colors... in windows you do it in one click :)
[07:55] <kubuntu> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - trydmesg | tail  or so
[07:56] <sheft> anyways, is it easy to update to edgy?
[07:56] <sheft> i came to kubuntu 2 weeks ago :)
[07:56] <Dasnipa] [> sheft, very
[07:56] <kubuntu> anyone know what could cause that?
[07:56] <sheft> havent updated kubuntu yet
[07:56] <Blacken> sheft: *wait* on updating to edgy until the kinks are ironed out.
[07:56] <Blacken> Give it at least a week.
[07:56] <sheft> kinks what?
[07:57] <Dasnipa] [> Blacken, the kinks have been being ironed out this week what are you talking about?
[07:57] <Jucato> easy to update? bleh
[07:57] <Blacken> sheft: It's not entirely known yet how to make some things work, and the newb-support is going to be limited.
[07:57] <sheft> like  sudo apt-get update kubuntu? =)
[07:57] <Jucato> no
[07:57] <Blacken> Dasnipa] [: I upgraded to Edgy once. It borked my entire bloody installation. You aren't going to be able to walk a newbie through a chroot rescue.
[07:57] <Blacken> Dasnipa] [: That's what I had to do to fix it.
[07:58] <Jucato> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade supposedly
[07:58] <Dasnipa] [> that was during beta though
[07:58] <Blacken> Dasnipa] [: That was *today*.
[07:58] <Blacken> As in four hours ago.
[07:58] <Dasnipa] [> Jucato, not quite
[07:58] <Blacken> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[07:58] <lotusleaf> I've got the fever! and there's only one thing that can cure it.. MORE EDGY COWBELL!
[07:58] <Blacken> For those who want a clean install.
[07:58] <Jucato> Dasnipa] [: how should it go then?
[07:59] <Blacken> Jucato: You have to edit your sources first. :p
[07:59] <Dasnipa] [> you dont think its easy to update jucato? open adept manage repositories change dapper to edgy, apply changes. then apt-get upgrade
[07:59] <kubuntu> Jucato: Mount help?
[07:59] <Jucato> Dasnipa] [: of course I edited my sources.
[07:59] <Blacken> Dasnipa] [: You're making a dangerous assumption...that people are insane enough to use adept.
[07:59] <Blacken> :P
[07:59] <lotusleaf> lol
[07:59] <lotusleaf> Synaptic for the win!
[08:00] <Jucato> aslo, Adept's "Full Upgrade" is "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:00] <Dasnipa] [> hey im just going on the suggested upgrade path for dapper
[08:00] <Dasnipa] [> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/upgradenotes.html
[08:00] <Blacken> lotusleaf: Indeed...I'd install GTK pretty much only for synaptic, if I didn't use GAIM.
[08:01] <Jucato> Dasnipa] [: which part there says "apt-get upgrade" only?
[08:01] <exhale> is it normal that you cant run any X programs of the terminal via sudo? O.o
[08:01] <Jucato> exhale: you should use kdesu
[08:01] <Dasnipa] [> Jucato, well yeah i didnt fully follow it
[08:01] <kubuntu> Anyone can help debug a mount issue?
[08:02] <motorhead> damn
[08:02] <motorhead> compiz :(
[08:02] <Jucato> Dasnipa] [: anyway, I upgraded to Edgy yesterday from a, take note, absolutely 100% fresh install of Dapper. you'd think it would have gone well
[08:02] <exhale> Jucato, i see... but its normal right?
[08:02] <exhale> :)
[08:03] <Jucato> !kdesu
[08:03] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:03] <fignew> what???
[08:03] <fignew> I use sudo all the time
[08:04] <fignew> why would it mess anything up?
[08:04] <Jucato> !sudo
[08:04] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:04] <Blacken> fignew: Bad plan. KDE will think you're root, and that can cause badness for permissions and config files. kdesu runs with root privileges instead.
[08:04] <kubuntu> !mount
[08:04] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[08:04] <Jucato> fignew: it's in that RootSudo page
[08:05] <exhale> hmm i have been using gnome for quite a while and i have been using sudo. never damaged my system
[08:07] <exhale> :)
[08:07] <fignew> also, the RootSudo page does not talk about any problems
[08:07] <kubuntu> what can cause a mount to fail?
[08:07] <exhale> but kubuntu doesnt ALLOW me to use sudo with x programs
[08:07] <exhale> it just spits out tons and tons of lines of errors
[08:07] <Blacken> exhale: KDE is more anal than GNOME is.
[08:07] <exhale> i see.. so this only applies for KDE?
[08:07] <Jucato> no
[08:08] <Jucato> !gksudo
[08:08] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using sudo {guiapp}
[08:08] <exhale> hm thats a new one
[08:08] <Jucato> "NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs, otherwise new login attempts may fail. If this happens and at login an error message reports: "Unable to read ICE authority file", log in using the failsafe terminal and execute the command below substituting user for your username. "
[08:09] <Jucato> that's one problem that *may* happen
[08:09] <Jucato> just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean that it will never happen, or that it can never happen
[08:09] <kubuntu> !ntfs
[08:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[08:10] <exhale> i guess thats true
[08:10] <kubuntu> !fuse
[08:10] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:23] <david__> hola como estan
[08:25] <sorush20> why do I keep getting this message when I try to add new hplip printer..
[08:25] <sorush20> Unable to create printer. Error message received from manager:
[08:25] <sorush20> client-error-bad-request
[08:26] <sorush20> I also keep getting the message that unable to retrieve the printer list when I restart the cupsys
[08:44] <exhale> I love the new look of kubuntu edgy :)
[08:45] <xsacha> it's a new look? :P i didnt notice
[08:45] <exhale> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/original/Kubuntu%206.10%20RC/7.gif
[08:46] <Jucato> it's the same since Beta and RC...
[08:46] <Jucato> or at least RC
[08:47] <xsacha> looks same to me.. i forgot what dapper looked like
[08:48] <Jucato> xsacha: Dapper was a lot lighter :)
[08:48] <Jucato> Dapper's blue was really really blue. Edgy's is more purple
[08:48] <rredd4> does edgy load faster than dapper?
[08:49] <Jucato> load where? boot? or KDE startup?
[08:49] <rredd4> startup
[08:49] <rredd4> boot faster i mean
[08:49] <xsacha> from decompression of kernel to KDE login is like 9 seconds
[08:49] <Jucato> make up your mind :)
[08:49] <rredd4> lol
[08:50] <xsacha> that's after i removed all the fsck ****
[08:50] <Jucato> for me it boots a bit faster. not sure if it's because of Upstart or the new Kernel
[08:50] <Jucato> xsacha: seriously?
[08:50] <xsacha> yes
[08:50] <Jucato> O_O
[08:50] <Jucato> I couldn't even get mine to go below 20 seconds!
[08:50] <MistaED> xsacha: phwoar!! i thought i saw the fastest boot the other day in 15-20 secs with edgy
[08:50] <xsacha> it was giving me all these warnings about my reiserfs
[08:51] <Jucato> the only time I was able to get a 17 second boot was when I installed kde-core over a server install and didn't have USplash
[08:51] <rredd4> will i need kubuntu-desktop for edgy.. kdm ok?
[08:51] <xsacha> imnot including from BIOS by the way, my bios takes ages because my VIA chipset decided to put its logo in there for 5 seconds
[08:51] <MistaED> reiserfs is notoriously slow to mount compared to ext3
[08:51] <xsacha> yes i removed reiserfs mount
[08:51] <xsacha> have it only mount 1 hard drive now
[08:51] <Jucato> xsacha: I'm counting from the time USplash appears. regular boot would take around 30 seconds or more
[08:51] <MistaED> i want to install amd64 edgy soon, with ext3 instead :)
[08:52] <xsacha> im using amd64 version with ext3 now :D
[08:52] <MistaED> nice
[08:52] <pacman_> Can someone help me with kopete?
[08:52] <Jucato> pacman_: if someone can, they will
[08:53] <pacman_> somehow, I turned the underline on, but when I opened the bar that has the options, it won't let me turn it off
[08:53] <kraut> moin
[08:53] <michele> does any one know how i can import my mail from a windows Thunderbird to a Linux Thunderbird ?
[08:53] <Jucato> pacman_: what underline?
[08:53] <pacman_> you know...underline...everything I type is underlined
[08:54] <pacman_> I tried CTRL-U, but that isn't workign
[08:54] <Jucato> ah not spell checking?
[08:54] <xsacha> mine says decompressing linux and then like 2 seconds later it is at the login: thing and then it shows KDE splash, 9 secs in all
[08:54] <pacman_> no
[08:54] <Ash-Fox> michele, yes
[08:55] <michele> then please do tell
[08:55] <Ash-Fox> michele, just copy your thunderbird profile directory over and rename it .mozilla-thunderbird
[08:55] <Jucato> hmmm...
[08:55] <MistaED> xsacha: what specs is the computer, especially what's the hard drive? SATA 7200rpm or something?
[08:55] <xsacha> yeah sata
[08:55] <MistaED> mine is slow as buggery atm, amd64 via chipset
[08:55] <michele> ok thanx
[08:55] <xsacha> mine too mistaed.. amd64 via
[08:57] <Jucato> pacman_: sorry, I'm clueless :(
[08:57] <pacman_> thanks
[08:58] <tango_> simple question: does kubuntu 6.06 come with NTFS write support?
[08:59] <Jucato> tango_: no
[08:59] <Jucato> neither does 6.10
[08:59] <tango_> :P
[08:59] <Jucato> !fuse
[08:59] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:59] <Jucato> tango_: you might be interested in that ^^^^
[09:00] <tango_> thanks, reading
[09:00] <tango_> it wouldn't work with a live, right?
[09:00] <Jucato> nope
[09:00] <tango_> :P
[09:00] <tango_> do you guys know of any live with ntfs write support?
[09:01] <Jucato> tango_: try KNOPPIX 5, I heard it has some write support for NTFS
[09:01] <tango_> oh, thanks
[09:01] <tango_> augh home page in german
[09:02] <tango_> ah english. ok thank you very much, Jucato
[09:02] <Jucato> :P
[09:02] <Jucato> tango_: Kubuntu Desktop CD isn't really good if you're looking for a rescue CD :)
[09:02] <tango_> Jucato, yeah, just got the idea :D
[09:02] <tango_> I just loved kubuntu so was hoping to be able to use it like that :) guess I'll have to look somewhere else for that.
[09:03] <Jucato> it's good for doing stuff like messing with GRUB, menu.lst, etc
[09:03] <Jucato> maybe someday :)
[09:03] <Blacken> Stripped out all the OpenOffice crap (why isn't it KOffice?!), etc.
[09:04] <gavin> Hey all. Sometimes when my machine comes back from standby my keyboard does not respond! I've managed to switch to a different TTY and irc via console... but how do I get my keyboard to work again!?!?!
[09:04] <Jucato> Blacken: beats me... wished they'd switch hehehe
[09:04] <Blacken> KOffice is infinitely better.
[09:04] <tango_> koffice still isn't on par with ooo in my areas
[09:05] <tango_> or at least wasn't last time I checked
[09:05] <tango_> :D
[09:05] <Blacken> tango_: What areas?
[09:05] <Jucato> tango_: lots of changes in 1.6. when did you last check? :P
[09:05] <tango_> Jucato, 1.4 :D
[09:05] <Jucato> tango_: heh!!
[09:05] <chx> while http://www.ubuntu.com/ says Ubuntu 6.10 , http://www.kubuntu.org/ still says 6.10RC -- so, is it time or not :) ?
[09:05] <tango_> Jucato, yeah, I know :)
[09:06] <Jucato> in 1.5, they made ODF the default format
[09:06] <Blacken> chx: Negatory, not time yet.
[09:06] <Blacken> chx: When the links change, you'll know.
[09:06] <gavin> any ideas on getting my keyboard to respond again ? :P
[09:06] <chx> Blacken: OK
[09:07] <chx> with AIGLX + Beryl + KDE  + whatnot will a fullscreen taskswitcher (something like Expose/Kompose) run at last at a decent speed?
[09:07] <tango_> does kword 1.6 allow USER character styles? in 1.4 I couldn't find them
[09:08] <gavin> chx: beryl has that i think..
[09:08] <Jucato> I'm not familiar with how wordprocessing works, so I can't answer that :P
[09:09] <chx> gavin: Beryl has that builtin? That alone would be a compelling reason to my Dapper :)
[09:09] <Jucato> actually, I've used word processors, but never got around to using sytles and whatnot
[09:09] <chx> *up
[09:09] <tango_> Jucato, well, wordprocessing was what I use most, and it was the area where koffice seriously lacked
[09:09] <tango_> and styles are really crucial to proper wordprocessing
[09:10] <tango_> however, I must say that all 'object'-based wordprocessors suck in the area (word, writer AND kword) ... token-based are much more powerful (wordperfect, tex)
[09:10] <gavin> chx: I'm pretty sure.... I've set beryl up on another account.. and I remember the alt-tab thing showing nice big thumbnail type things
[09:10] <Jucato> tango_: sorry if I couldn't relate. I just really never got to use styles much (or even understand their function) , even in MS Word...
[09:11] <tango_> Jucato, think 'structured' writing. did you ever code an HTML page?
[09:11] <Jucato> tango_: HTML is my preferred way of writing stuff lol :)
[09:11] <gavin> exit
[09:11] <Jucato> tango_: what I didn't understand back then was the "styles" like Heading, Normal, Default, etc etc...
[09:11] <Jucato> s/was/were
[09:12] <tango_> Jucato, and do you user <b>, <i> <strong>, <font> or <div class="...">, <span class="..."> + CSS?
[09:12] <tango_> user -> use
[09:12] <Jucato> no CSS :(
[09:12] <tango_> aargh
[09:12] <tango_> the meaning of styles is to separate VISUAL layout from document STRUCTURE
[09:12] <exhale> is there a way to install just KDE? i dont want to change bootlogo and everything
[09:13] <djmdave> kde-core gives you just the basics
[09:13] <Jucato> exhale: do a server (minimal) install, install x-window-system-core, then install "kde-core" or "kde"
[09:13] <exhale> djmdave, thanks thats perfect
[09:13] <Jucato> exhale: or you could just remove usplash
[09:13] <exhale> Jucato, i already have ubuntu installed
[09:13] <silvania> hmm does kubuntu not free memory? I got  2GB ram used and 53mb free :o
[09:13] <Jucato> silvania: Linux uses memory differently from Windows
[09:14] <silvania> ah ok
[09:14] <silvania> just wondering, on windows it was kinda... going slow then :P
[09:14] <Jucato> !memory | silvania
[09:14] <ubotu> silvania: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[09:14] <Jucato> er.. that link is quite old...
[09:14] <djmdave> linux is quite old ;)
[09:14] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:14] <Jucato> touche
[09:15] <silvania> oh well, still runs good :P
[09:15] <tango_> Jucato, so you use <h1> for first-level headings, <h2> for second level, etc. likewise, you would create a style for emphasized text, a style for code, etc: you then change those styles to the visual layou you plan, and if you change your idea about how it should be you change the style again, and not every single occurence of it in the document
[09:15] <silvania> funny how everything nativly in linux, like games, runs so much smoother
[09:15] <Jucato> tango_: ah in that case, KWord has those last I check (which was just the other day)
[09:16] <tango_> Jucato, paragraph styles, it had in 1.4; but character styles?
[09:17] <|Asgard|>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY hammer
[09:17] <Jucato> ooh someone needs to change their password...
[09:17] <silvania> lol
[09:17] <|Asgard|> oh well im not stressed
[09:17] <ihatemybrain> that's why you don' type in in a channel
[09:17] <ihatemybrain> better type those in the server tab
[09:17] <|Asgard|> yeah yeah
[09:17] <Jucato> tango_: I guess you'd have to check for yourself... like I said, I'm not too familiar with it so I wouldn't know whether they were added or not, or where they can be found
[09:21] <tango_> Jucato, no character styles yet. it's useless (for me). keep openoffice.org :D
[09:21] <Jucato> hehe
[09:21] <Jucato> tango_: you can try to ask in #koffice if there character style sets already...
[09:21] <Jucato> it might be a hidden thing :)
[09:22] <tango_> why would they keep such an important feature hidden? :D I'll just look myself next time I boot linux
[09:22] <Jucato> tango_: I'll try to ask :)
[09:22] <Jucato> or.. hm... better have kword installed first
[09:23] <Jucato> ah ok. :)
[09:29] <Jucato> tango_: lol taking time to install kword hehehe
[09:29] <tango_> Jucato, version me :D
[09:30] <Jucato> lol
[09:30] <Jucato> it's ok :)
[09:32] <kakalto> heya
[09:32] <kakalto> if I've created a program in kdevelop, and wish to build a win32 binary, how could I go about this?
[09:32] <kakalto> woops
[09:32] <kakalto> wrong channel
[09:32] <kakalto> answers welcome though =)
[09:33] <Jucato> #kdevelop :)
[09:34] <Ash-Fox> What is the root password on the kubuntu live cd?
[09:34] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: none
[09:34] <Jucato> blank
[09:35] <Ash-Fox> Ah, stupid me :P
[09:35] <tango_> none or blank? :D :P
[09:36] <pablo> good morning all
[09:36] <pablo> is there any avaiable mirror??????
[09:36] <Jucato> well, technically there is no root password since root user is disabled. the user password is blank
[09:36] <Jucato> mirror for?
[09:36] <pablo> for edgy
[09:36] <Jucato> pablo: not yet released
[09:36] <Jucato> so no mirrors yet
[09:37] <pablo> well....sometimes some mirrors are avaiable some hours before the official time
[09:37] <tango_> Jucato, yeah, I was joking on the possibility of it being 'blank' as in the string "blank" ;)
[09:37] <Jucato> tango_: aah. you should have said "blank"
[09:38] <Jucato> pablo: err.. I think it's the other way around...
[09:38] <exhale> it happens actually
[09:38] <Jucato> :)
[09:38] <exhale> happens to fedora.. like every release :)
[09:39] <Jucato> I thought you meant in Ubuntu
[09:39] <Jucato> tango_: got that answer?
[09:39] <Jucato> about KWord?
[09:40] <sF|Xemanth> lol i have had dapper running like 4 days atm (kde 355, Firefox2, the newest amarok) and memory usage is: Xorg 201mb, Fx184mb, amarok 155mb, Tb2 136, kvirc 80mb, Kopete 75mb :D dudes I need to buy some more ram... now only 1gb :o
[09:42] <sF|Xemanth> how much do you guys have xorg's memory consume ?
[09:42] <exhale> im having some problems setting transparency to konsole
[09:42] <exhale> i select the transparency box and then when i save it just dissappears
[09:42] <exhale> leaving it unchecked
[09:43] <MistaED> sF|Xemanth: that ram is cache'd, don't worry
[09:43] <MistaED> linux uses all of the available ram for programs even if they probably don't need it, for performance afaik
[09:43] <sF|Xemanth> top says that i'm having 8 mb free ram
[09:44] <tango_> hm sorry, Jucato I was having breakfast, just came back
[09:44] <tango_> oh
[09:44] <MistaED> sF|Xemanth: but is it dog-slow? should still be pretty fast
[09:44] <tango_> read, thanks. yeah, I figured as much :D. well, looks like until KOffice2 it'll be useless for me :D
[09:44] <momal> Any news for edgy? for when final be out ? will it be out today or ?
[09:44] <Jucato> tango_: breakfast? I'm presuming you're somewhere in Europe then?
[09:44] <sF|Xemanth> MistaED: everything feels little laggy atm
[09:45] <MistaED> sF|Xemanth: how much swap space is being used?
[09:45] <tango_> Jucato, yeah :D
[09:45] <Jucato> momal: Oct 26. the question is what time (on whose timezone)
[09:45] <sF|Xemanth> MistaED: wait a check i 'll take screenshot
[09:45] <momal> arr its 17:45 oct 26th here >_<
[09:45] <tango_> Jucato, you in the americas?
[09:45] <sF|Xemanth> is VmSize swap ?
[09:45] <Jucato> tango_: no. southeast asia
[09:46] <Jucato> err... KSysGuard's reports are not consistent with top..
[09:46] <sF|Xemanth> aha
[09:47] <Lynoure> tango_: or then you just do not like eating alone :)
[09:47] <Jucato> VmSize, afaik is not the MB of your RAM afaik
[09:47] <tango_> Lynoure, I ate alone anyway, so my guess it's not that :D
[09:47] <Jucato> tango_: I sit at the computer immediately after waking up, even before washing up lol
[09:47] <sF|Xemanth> MistaED: http://xemanth.ath.cx:10025/top.png
[09:48] <tango_> Jucato, I sit at the computer with my eyes stil crampy from the night :D
[09:48] <Jucato> hehe
[09:48] <sF|Xemanth> ups
[09:48] <sF|Xemanth> :D
[09:48] <sF|Xemanth> lol sry wait a sec i'll take new pic
[09:49] <cpk2> Mem:   1294228k total,  1228504k used,    65724k free,    28572k buffers and no problems here =P
[09:49] <Jucato> neither top nor KSysGuard report how much (in MB) RAM you are consuming, afaik
[09:49] <cpk2> and I am certainly not doing anything that would use up that much mem
[09:50] <Jucato> he has almost 1GB RAM... even 512 is enough to run a decent Kubuntu system, even with one VMWare Session running
[09:50] <sF|Xemanth> 3916 root      15   0  197m 173m 9424 S  2.3 19.7  33:58.91 Xorg <- is that normal
[09:50] <sF|Xemanth> top is hard to use
[09:51] <MistaED> i run maya + firefox2 + gnome + amarok + whatever else like gaim or something, and it runs fine with all my ram used but no swap space touched unless i do something in maya which would eat up a heap of ram
[09:51] <MistaED> i have 1gb*
[09:51] <cpk2> 4139 root      15   0  285m 177m 3912 S  6.3 14.0 114:22.32 Xorg sF|Xemanth I would say yes =P
[09:52] <MistaED> hmm, xorg includes memory used which is shared with all X programs afaik
[09:52] <exhale> i just installed kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu install, but i didnt get the languege files for KDE so im stuck with english. how does one get the additional files so i can have kde in swedish?
[09:52] <Genix|linux> anyone play planeshift?
[09:54] <sF|Xemanth> what about my ksysguard http://xemanth.ath.cx:10025/ksysgueard.png
[09:55] <Jucato> normal
[09:55] <Jucato> swap is barely used at all
[09:56] <cpk2> exhale-away: apt-get install language-support-sv
[09:57] <pablo> exhale-away: look for kde-i18n package for your language
[09:57] <sF|Xemanth> Jucato:hmm-m
[09:57] <cpk2> pablo: language-support-sv is the meta package for swedish language support =)
[09:58] <pablo> I thought he was just asking for language support in kde
[10:01] <word> does anyone else have 35 packages left un-upgraded after dist-upgrading to edgy?
[10:01] <djmdave> @word: did you use aptitude or apt-get?
[10:02] <Jucato> word: yes I did
[10:02] <Jucato> try using aptitude
[10:02] <word> djmdave: apt-get :-/
[10:03] <pablo> aaaag
[10:03] <word> Jucato: aptitude upgrade ?
[10:03] <pablo> I cant wait no more for edgy release
[10:03] <pablo> xDD
[10:03] <Jucato> dist-upgrade
[10:03] <Jucato> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:03] <momal> EDGY PRETTY PLEASE >_<
[10:04] <Jucato> momal: you're getting a bit edgy, aren't you :)
[10:04] <momal> indeed lol
[10:04] <momal> im waiting for the newer xorg in it mainly so i can get rid of xgl :p
[10:04] <word> Jucato: that worked well it's uninstalling a lot of python 2.4 ..i wonder if that's because the newest is 2.10?
[10:05] <word> momal: what will the new xorg be usable with compiz?
[10:05] <Jucato> python3 iirc
[10:05] <momal> compiz is outdated :p.. but for use with #beryl
[10:06] <word> momal: yah it hasn't been updated in awhile :-/ is beryl something similar?
[10:06] <momal> yea its basically the new compiz
[10:07] <momal> !beryl
[10:07] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[10:07] <xsacha> !countdown ubuntu+1
[10:07] <Jucato> :P
[10:07] <momal> heeh
[10:07] <xsacha> !time
[10:07] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (dapper), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[10:07] <momal> !gimme edgy
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gimme edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <momal> aww :(
[10:08] <Jucato> hm...
[10:08] <Jucato> !botabuse
[10:08] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots  -  Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[10:08] <xsacha> #kubuntu - 289 nicks (0 ups)
[10:08] <xsacha> ops*
[10:08] <Jucato> xsacha: they only op themselves when needed
[10:08] <stirn> debian-russian
[10:09] <Jucato> but they're here. oh yes, they're here... :)
[10:09] <word> momal: thanks, i'll check that out tommorrow time for bed now
[10:09] <word> Jucato: thanks it finished all right now
[10:09] <momal> ^^
[10:10] <word> 'night all
[10:10] <draik> Hello everyone! How are the upgrades coming along?
[10:10] <xsacha> alright, i've been downloading everything related to gl and header -- i cant find these opengl headers (using kubuntu amd64), anyone want to give me a hand?
[10:11] <livingdaylight> HAPPY BIRTHDAY EDGY EFT!
[10:11] <momal> lol!
[10:11] <livingdaylight> :D
[10:11] <momal> If only edgy was with me :(
[10:12] <draik> is it available to download the Edgy Eft CD yet?
[10:12] <livingdaylight> ?
[10:12] <Jucato> hm... still in the delivery room, I'm afraid
[10:12] <Jucato> draik: nope nope
[10:12] <Jucato> at least, not the official release cd
[10:12] <livingdaylight> huh?
[10:12] <draik> oh well
[10:12] <livingdaylight> i thought today 's the day?
[10:12] <momal> hmm updating from dapper will be fine wont it? when its final is released that is
[10:12] <Jucato> livingdaylight: today's the day, but not yet the hour :)
[10:12] <Jucato> momal: yeah
[10:13] <livingdaylight> Jucato: haha, Kewl!
[10:13] <momal> woo... how much will it need to dwonlaod you think ? 700ish mb ?
[10:13] <draik> WHOA!!! It's past 1am here.. I lost track of time REALLY BAD
[10:13] <Jucato> 695MB
[10:13] <draik> At least I get back an hour this sunday
[10:13] <livingdaylight> Jucato: you scared me there. I thought they were gonna do a Fedora there on us
[10:13] <word> wee! new buttons in shutdown menu..
[10:13] <Jucato> draik: get some sleep :P
[10:13] <momal> Jucato: how you know that exactly ? lol... and I can upgrade it via apt-get right ?
[10:13] <draik> word, what new buttons?
[10:14] <word> suspend and hibernate
[10:14] <draik> I have hibernate on my desktop, but not my laptop
[10:14] <Jucato> weird that my desktop would have Suspend and Hibernate buttons
[10:14] <word> heh yah
[10:14] <Jucato> when I have neither :)
[10:14] <draik> Wait, I take it back
[10:14] <draik> they are both there
[10:15] <draik> Desktop has Hibernate, but not suspend
[10:15] <Jucato> momal: dist-upgrade, and I recommed using aptitude if ever you come across packages that are held back
[10:15] <Jucato> I have Hibernate only
[10:15] <Jucato> :)
[10:15] <draik> Will edgy eft change my KDE or kernel?
[10:16] <xsacha> anyone know what the opengl headers are called in amd64 kubuntu repository for edgy eft?
[10:16] <xsacha> i cant find them
[10:16] <Jucato> draik: upgrade KDE, install new kernel
[10:16] <pablo> draik: will change both
[10:16] <draik> I'm using KDE 3.5.5 and Kernel 2.6.15-27-686
[10:16] <Jucato> draik: kernels are never "upgraded", new ones are installed
[10:16] <draik> Oh, right.
[10:16] <draik> I'm just used to upgrading everything
[10:17] <Jucato> well, it will probably change KDE to use Edgy packages, and install new kernels 2.6.17-10-generic or something
[10:17] <draik> I like my kernel
[10:18] <xsacha> Sysinfo for 'xena': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2002 MHz (4009 bogomips), , RAM: 487/497MB, 105 proc's, 1.0d up
[10:18] <xsacha> this is edgy eft
[10:18] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), HD: 314/535GB, RAM: 410/3031MB, 97 proc's, 23.36min up
[10:18] <cpk2> Sysinfo for 'snoresqueeze': Linux 2.6.15-27-686 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4806 bogomips), , RAM: 1243/1263MB, 111 proc's, 7.2d up
[10:18] <Jucato> easy on the /sysinfo :)
[10:18] <cpk2> hah i have the slowest processor but the most ram!
[10:19] <cpk2> thats what you get for merging 2 systems =)
[10:19] <Blacken> Sysinfo for 'mountaindew': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2300@1.66GHz at 1000 MHz (3325 bogomips), , RAM: 739/1010MB, 106 proc's, 27.33min up
[10:19] <Blacken> Hunh, didn't know that that actually worked.
[10:19] <draik> Ummm... cpk2, you have 1.2GB, I have 3GB of RAM
[10:19] <fdoving> Blacken: how did your upgrade go?
[10:20] <Jucato> hi fdoving :)
[10:20] <cpk2> draik: oops read the HD as ram and in mB =P
[10:20] <Blacken> fdoving: The first sucked a lot. I kernel panicked in the middle of it and had to chroot recover it.
[10:20] <fdoving> hi jucato. :)
[10:20] <xsacha> Blacken: try saying something inside double square brackets: eg. [ [something here]  ] 
[10:20] <Jucato> fdoving: seems like I should have used aptitude dist-upgrade in the first place
[10:20] <fdoving> Blacken: did you follow any of the steps on the page hawkwind told you about?
[10:20] <Blacken> fdoving: Then the ATI drivers went to hell, and I went back to dapper. Reinstalled edgy from a naked dapper install, which seems to have been a much smarter thing to do.
[10:20] <draik> cpk2, this desktop is nothing compared to what I'm going to build for my gf in Dec
[10:20] <Blacken> fdoving: He gave me that page after I'd already blasted the thing.
[10:21] <Blacken> It was a little late. :/
[10:22] <fdoving> Jucato: i haven't done any tests with aptitude. but i don't think that would change much. I still think it will break somehow. following the instructions on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade is the only semi-good solution i'm aware of.
[10:22] <xsacha> anyone here know what the gl headers are called? still cant find them.. i just need like gl.h,etc lol
[10:23] <Jucato> fdoving: ok.... the thing I didn't do was that I didn't
[10:23] <draik> I'm afraid to do the upgrade because I don't want to lose anything that I have here on my desktop
[10:23] <fdoving> Blacken: ok, understand.
[10:23] <Jucato> "upgrade" before "dist-upgrade"
[10:23] <fdoving> draik: follow my instructions on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[10:24] <fdoving> Jucato: does aptitude upgrade before aptitude dist-upgrade do a clean update without leaving any packages held back? and does it install upstart?
[10:24] <fdoving> have to go eat. bbl.
[10:25] <momal> is that upgrade stable ?
[10:25] <momal> with that guide : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[10:25] <Jucato> fdoving: not really sure. I used apt-get dist-upgrade immediately, then ran into held back packages. went through hoops and stuff, apt-get installed amarok manually, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop manually, then decided to aptitude dist-upgrade, which solved everything...
[10:25] <Jucato> momal: hopefully it does, as fdoving said
[10:25] <momal> someone else do it first hehe :p
[10:26] <fdoving> momal: all my tests indicate that. It is certainly better than the adept way. or just dist-upgrading the good old way.
[10:26] <Jucato> I just don't understand the #6 command...
[10:26] <Jucato> anyway, need to take a nap...
[10:26] <Jucato> bye :)
[10:26] <draik> fdoving, I copied it, put it into my OO.o and printed it out
[10:26] <fdoving> Jucato: that is to install the python packages.
[10:26] <draik> I hope this works out for me
[10:26] <Jucato> ah
[10:26] <fdoving> Jucato: it's a evil hack, i know :)
[10:27] <Jucato> at least it works
[10:27] <cpk2> hehe you guys see the #ubuntu topic now?
[10:27] <Jucato> draik: try using aptitude dist-upgrade ! ehehe
[10:27] <fdoving> it does. I have to eat now.
[10:27] <Jucato> cpk2: what is it?
[10:28] <momal> edgy is not realaesed yet?
[10:28] <momal> thats topic from #ubuntu
[10:28] <draik> momal, in a few hours
[10:28] <cpk2> fabbione laid down the law and now the topic has Edgy Is NOT Released Yet!!!
[10:28] <draik> nvm
[10:28] <Jucato> lol
[10:28] <Jucato> :)
[10:28] <Jucato> well it isn't
[10:29] <cpk2> well aparently they already pushed it to the mirrors =P
[10:29] <pablo> which mirrors???
[10:29] <pablo> I need a mirror
[10:29] <Jucato> mirror mirror on the web...
[10:29] <cpk2> they will release it in a couple hours lol
[10:29] <xsacha> check website
[10:29] <xsacha> they removed 6.06 from front page
[10:29] <draik> I'm tired and sleepy... I wish you all the best with the upgrades... Ta-ta
[10:30] <momal> they havn't on kubuntu yet
[10:33] <bmo> ubuntu.com didn't remove 6.06 from the front page.  click "download" from the front page and you're on a list of mirrors for 6.06lts
[10:34] <xsacha> i know bmop
[10:34] <xsacha> but they sued to have this big thing saying Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[10:34] <xsacha> s/sued/used
[10:36] <osiguai> #kubuntu-es
[10:37] <bmo> xsacha it looks like they had to make room on the front page for the big announcement
[10:37] <xsacha> yep
[10:40] <anil> HI all
[10:40] <anil> I have a small problem
[10:40] <bmo> isn't that a bit personal?
[10:40] <anil> no
[10:40] <anil> relating to kubutu :-)
[10:40] <bmo> hehehehe
[10:41] <anil> can I go on
[10:41] <bmo> yes, you may go on, young skywalker
[10:41] <anil> Thanks... Actually I thought I could update my kubuntu to 3.5.5
[10:41] <bmo> you can
[10:42] <bmo> you have to add the kde repositories
[10:42] <anil> so I have done what was said in here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[10:42] <anil> and now I cannot bott
[10:43] <bmo> you cannot boot?
[10:43] <anil> Yeah I did add kde repositories and adept detected some updates adn it updates.. after I made a restart I could not boot and it stops at "running local boot scripts /etc/rc.local"
[10:44] <anil> and it does not move further
[10:45] <bmo> !pastebin
[10:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:45] <bmo> anil, put your /etc/rc.local on pastebin
[10:45] <anil> ok 1 sec I will do it
[10:46] <anil> This is the link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28395/
[10:47] <bmo> ok, that's not the problem
[10:47] <anil> yeah..
[10:47] <bmo> that's what it should look like
[10:47] <anil> yeah exactly..
[10:48] <anil> infact the bott process says thats its ok as in [OK]  at the end
[10:48] <anil> and it does not move any further after that
[10:48] <bmo> oh
[10:48] <bmo> x is fried, methinks
[10:48] <bmo> or the kde install is fried
[10:49] <bmo> how about hitting alt-f1 or ctrl-alt-f1 through f-6?  do you get a terminal?
[10:50] <anil> Yeah I do get a terminal.. infact now i am chatting with you after I logged in that way and doing startx
[10:50] <anil> now I can bott into ubuntu
[10:50] <bmo> ok, do this:  sudo apt-get -f install
[10:50] <anil> i mean it directly goes to ubuntu
[10:51] <anil> ok done that
[10:51] <anil> now what +
[10:51] <bmo> what did it do?
[10:52] <anil> I have done sudo apt-get -f install
[10:52] <bmo> did it return anything?
[10:52] <anil> it says Building dependency tree done
[10:53] <anil> and 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:53] <bmo> ok, so no broken packages
[10:53] <anil> oh ok
[10:53] <bmo> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin
[10:54] <anil> ok
[10:56] <anil> Here is the link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28397/
[10:58] <anil> I noticed one more thing.. I actually logged into ubuntu after doing ALT + F1. By default it opened X on F7. But i notice some errors on ALT + F1
[10:58] <bmo> anil, does your sources.list actually look like that or did you double paste it?
[10:59] <anil> let me check it out
[10:59] <anil> I am sorry about that.. I was copying from terminal and my sources.list file is too long so this happned
[11:00] <anil> I will send you the link once again
[11:00] <bmo> ok
[11:02] <anil> Here is the new link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28398/
[11:03] <anil> I guess I will try re-installing kde as a last resort if nothing works out
[11:03] <anil> from here
[11:04] <bmo> add the other 3 repositories to your sources.list
[11:05] <anil> I deleted them just now
[11:05] <anil> Infact they were there when the problem occurred
[11:06] <bmo> so you installed kde with all 4 mirrors enabled?
[11:06] <anil> exactly
[11:07] <bmo> ok, that was the correct way to do it
[11:07] <anil> ok
[11:07] <bmo> put them back in sources.list
[11:07] <anil> ok I will do it now
[11:07] <bmo> I've got a dumb question....are you in gnome?
[11:08] <anil> yeah now I am in gnome..
[11:08] <anil> by default it logged into gnome
[11:09] <anil> when I have dfone startx
[11:09] <bmo> oh, so you didn't get there through kdm?
[11:09] <anil> no
[11:10] <chrismir> !w32codecs
[11:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:11] <magical_trevsky> if I install update-manager onto my kubuntu box, can I use that to update to edgy, or is that only for gnome?
[11:11] <bmo> you can use update-manager in kde
[11:12] <Dheeraj_k> ah today i got my kubuntu cd
[11:12] <bmo> hello again anil
[11:12] <anil> HI bmo.. sorry about that.. I got disconnected after trying to write down some error messages
[11:12] <bmo> hah, that happens
[11:13] <anil> Could you re paster your last couple of messages
[11:13] <bmo> you didn't miss anything
[11:13] <bmo> we were talking about whether you used kdm and then you disappeared
[11:13] <anil> ok.. I guess there might be some problem in the xorg.conf file
[11:15] <Dheeraj_k> i am not able to connect gprs on kubuntu
[11:15] <anil> the error says "the XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports"
[11:16] <anil> Error : "cannot find U.S for symbols include"
[11:16] <anil> Exiting abadoning symbols file default
[11:18] <bmo> ooh, I might be getting out of my depth here, because I know _little_ about internationalization, but I will try.  there is a way to regenerate an xorg.conf file from the command line, but I need to find it first.
[11:18] <teledyn> is kubuntu release the same time as ubuntu, or is it later?
[11:18] <anil> it also says "Erros from Xkbcomp are not fatal to the Xserver"
[11:18] <bmo> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde.  nothing more
[11:19] <blackflag> hello all
[11:19] <anil> yeah i completely undestand that
[11:19] <teledyn> bmo: that's what i thought.  i didn't know if they needed a bit more time to polish it or what not
[11:19] <blackflag> I want to connect to an old cisco800 over serial port
[11:20] <MidMark> bmo: this is not true
[11:20] <blackflag> can someone tell me how to do this or can give me link?
[11:20] <MidMark> a lot of apps changes from ubuntu
[11:20] <MidMark> not only kde
[11:20] <dude> question guys...
[11:20] <dude> i wan t to install  xandros
[11:20] <dude> i have a triploe boot
[11:20] <cpk2> bmo: the xorg.conf should say at the top how to regenerate it =P
[11:20] <dude> what will happen to my boot loader if i install xandros?
[11:21] <bmo> oh
[11:21] <bmo> hah
[11:21] <teledyn> blackflag: minicom
[11:21] <bmo> anyway, I found it
[11:21] <blackflag> AFAIK I need terminal emulation correct?
[11:21] <bmo> midmark: not true about what?
[11:21] <blackflag> then I put the device on and should be on the cisco
[11:21] <blackflag> how I should do this?
[11:22] <MidMark> [11:14:37] Marco:tasto dx salva con nome
[11:22] <MidMark> sorry
[11:22] <anil> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:22] <teledyn> blackflag: ^^^
[11:22] <anil> I guess
[11:22] <anil> shall I do that
[11:22] <bmo> that's the one
[11:22] <MidMark> [11:19]  <bmo> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde.  nothing more
[11:22] <MidMark> ^
[11:22] <bmo> you can do that, but first, back up the one you've got
[11:22] <blackflag> okay Ill try it
[11:23] <bmo> copy it to xorg.conf.bak or something
[11:23] <bmo> cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
[11:23] <teledyn> anil: why -phigh ?
[11:23] <bmo> teledyn: because that's what it says at the top of the xorg.conf file
[11:24] <anil> Well. I dont know.. That is what it said in xorg.conf file
[11:24] <teledyn> ah.  yeah, you don't need that though
[11:24] <monad> can anyone help getting direct rendering with fglrx running?
[11:24] <anil> ok.. But with that I get the following message "md5sum: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory"
[11:24] <teledyn> i would rather use -plow if anything to see all the options
[11:25] <anil> teledyn : If you want I can try that
[11:25] <teledyn> md5sum /etc/X11
[11:26] <bmo> without the -phigh it would be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[11:26] <bmo> which is ok too
[11:26] <teledyn> md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -
[11:26] <teledyn> see if they differ
[11:26] <teledyn> change /XF86Config-4  to xorg.conf in that line
[11:27] <teledyn> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xorg/xorg.conf.md5sum
[11:27] <teledyn> should fix the problem
[11:28] <anil> teledyn: it says "bash: /var/lib/xorg/xorg.conf.md5sum: No such file or directory"
[11:28] <teledyn> oops    md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[11:28] <teledyn> yeah the path changed from XFree to xorg
[11:28] <dude> is it possible to to make your pc a quadruple boot?
[11:28] <monad> direct rendering and fglrx anyone?
[11:29] <yonkeltron> what time will iso for edgy be posted?
[11:29] <maverick> How to switch display between LCD/CRT in kubuntu on an HP DV-5000 laptop intel i810 driver card
[11:29] <anil> now it says "bash: /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum: Permission denied" even after doing this with sudo
[11:29] <dude> is it possible to to make your pc a quadruple boot? winXP, ubuntu, freespire and xandros?
[11:29] <maverick> !freespire
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freespire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <bmo> dude: yes, you can do that
[11:30] <maverick>  How to switch display between LCD/CRT in kubuntu on an HP DV-5000 laptop intel i810 driver card?
[11:30] <dude> bmo: actually i already have a triple boot
[11:30] <dude> bmo: and i want to add xandros to the froup
[11:31] <bmo> hah.  well with disk space being cheap these days, I don't see why not.
[11:31] <teledyn> dude: sure if you've got the disk space you could make it a quadrillon boot - well not actually - you'll run out of partitions at some point
[11:31] <dude> bmo: my onlu concern is that it might over write the exixting bootloder
[11:31] <bmo> you using grub?
[11:31] <bmo> or the xp bootloader?
[11:31] <dude> bmo: yes, i want grub to take control of the booting
[11:32] <zblach> !eft
[11:32] <ubotu> eft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt or try !edgy
[11:32] <zblach> !edgy
[11:32] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[11:32] <dude> teledyn: yes i still have space
[11:32] <maverick>  How to switch display between LCD/CRT in kubuntu on an HP DV-5000 laptop intel i810 driver card?
[11:32] <bmo> that's not what I asked...I asked if you are _using_ grub, not if you will  use it.  are you currently using the xp bootloader or grub?
[11:33] <teledyn> maverick: is there a function key on the keyboard for switching?
[11:33] <dude> bmo: grub
[11:33] <bmo> k, that makes it easier
[11:33] <exhale-away> are there any kde themes in the repos?
[11:33] <zblach> happy eft day, everyone
[11:33] <teledyn> maverick: and is both LCD and CRT enabled in the BIOS?
[11:33] <cpk2> exhale-away: just go to kde-look.org
[11:34] <bmo> it's just like adding just another linux, dude, like you did with the last one you put on
[11:35] <teledyn> so did everyone
[11:35] <bmo> eft this
[11:35] <dude> bmo: there is an option in xandros installation, write to bootoloader
[11:35] <cpk2> its an adolescent newt
[11:35] <bmo> eft that
[11:35] <mastro> ciao a tutti
[11:35] <teledyn> i didn't even know newt had adolescence
[11:35] <mastro> hello everybody!
[11:35] <cpk2> well aparently not all do
[11:35] <maverick> teledyn: yes ofcourse the function key is there...and i don know about the bios u're talking about all i want is switching my laptop display to rok on tv using S-video port...
[11:36] <mastro> may i do a question?
[11:36] <teledyn> yeah if the hawks eat them first  :-)
[11:36] <charlie5> hi, hope this isn't a faq, but is Automatix isntaller safe ... it changes my repos settings ... they say they are safe, others dont
[11:36] <bmo> dude, you might have to go to the xandros page to find out exactly what their script does to the bootloader
[11:36] <dude> bmo: ok
[11:36] <bmo> if it's smart, it just appends to the grub list
[11:36] <mastro> hello?
[11:37] <charlie5> mastro: i think you just ask and hope for the bset ... :)
[11:37] <maverick> charlie5: don worry u can modify ur repos as u want automatix just sets the needed default repos in ur sources.list file not big deal
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[11:37] <dude> tnx bmo
[11:37] <anil> restarting my comp.. will be back in 5 min
[11:37] <bmo> mastro: you may ask, but you might not like the answer (and such is life. heh)
[11:37] <maverick> teledyn: yes ofcourse the function key is there...and i don know about the bios u're talking about all i want is switching my laptop display to rok on tv using S-video port...
[11:37] <teledyn> maverick: and what happens when you use the function key?
[11:37] <mastro> i need information on the ARP
[11:37] <teledyn> don't repeat
[11:38] <maverick> teledyn: absolutely nuthin'
[11:38] <teledyn> maverick: like i said, make sure the BIOS option is enabled for external CRT
[11:38] <charlie5> maverick: thanks ... i wasn't sure ... trying to get konqeror to load a web page which use flash (so i can order pizza ;) ... web page says flash 8 is needed, not sure of my flash version
[11:38] <charlie5> ... the page just freezes ... any idea's ?
[11:38] <cpk2> charlie5: there is no flash8 for linux
[11:39] <mastro> is possible to generate a arp packet?
[11:39] <cpk2> charlie5: you could try flash9 beta
[11:39] <andhy> charlie5: use flash9/beta
[11:39] <teledyn> flash completely blows.
[11:39] <cpk2> or this amazing thing called a phone =P
[11:39] <maverick> charlie5: one opeion is to install wine then download windows version of firefox then downloading flash 8 (windows version also) and install of 'em using wine
[11:39] <charlie5> thanks guys ... how would i get it ? ... form flash site ?
[11:39] <teledyn> mastro: yes
[11:39] <andhy> charlie5: go adobe ;)
[11:39] <hypertevi> hi ;-)
[11:39] <maverick> teledyn: it works on my sis's windows OS...
[11:40] <maverick> teledyn,still a bios problem?
[11:40] <charlie5> maverick: mmm, might try later ... sounds like a bit of work on an empty stomach
[11:40] <teledyn> maverick: no
[11:40] <mastro> teledyn: can you suggest my an utility?
[11:41] <maverick> teledyn: am using hotkeys script to enable my function keys..maybe i need to set a command to my function key??
[11:41] <teledyn> maverick: probably if its not responding
[11:42] <teledyn> maverick: also, you may need to add the external monitor to your xorg.conf
[11:42] <bmo> you know, looked up wtf an arp is, and that's WAAAAY over my head
[11:42] <mastro> teledyn: no idea?
[11:42] <teledyn> maverick: it may or may not support the modes
[11:43] <maverick> could u give me the path to xorg.conf
[11:43] <teledyn> you'll have to google for help on setting up an external monitor with your lcd
[11:43] <teledyn> or try the monitor thing in the kde settings if that works
[11:44] <exhale-away> .
[11:44] <exhale-away> are there any kde themes in the repos?
[11:44] <maverick> teleyn: i'll see if i can do something abt it, thanks anyway...
[11:44] <livingdaylight> boy, i had to step out of #ubuntu
[11:44] <mastro> teledyn: are you forget of me?
[11:45] <livingdaylight> complete madness - 10049 people in there
[11:45] <teledyn> mastro: no
[11:45] <livingdaylight> *1049
[11:45] <teledyn> mastro: why do you need to send arp packets?
[11:45] <livingdaylight> !fridge
[11:45] <ubotu> fridge is the Ubuntu's Community News website, and can be found at http://fridge.ubuntu.com
[11:45] <bmo> exhale: http://www.kde-look.org/
[11:45] <livingdaylight> did you see the news?!
[11:45] <livingdaylight> Ubuntu has walked away with Best Distribution at the Linux Awards held in London last night.
[11:45] <cheewie> hey
[11:46] <cheewie> how well do ntfs works on kubuntu?
[11:46] <zblach> hey, did eft get pushed back some?
[11:47] <mastro> teledyn: i'm studing.
[11:47] <bmo> livingdaylight: that's cool
[11:47] <cheewie> any one run ntfs?
[11:47] <osoh> hi all
[11:49] <monad> still no direct rendering and fglrx, it'S still on mesa
[11:49] <bmo> cheewie: depending on what you do and who you talk to, either dealing with ntfs is experimental and buggy or it works and you have to use the Windows driver for write access and such, iow, it's complicated.  you might look into how knoppix handles ntfs for more insight (klaus knopper has done extensive work with it)
[11:49] <TheGateKeeper> cheewie: repo for ntfs-3g --> deb http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ dapper main
[11:50] <zorglu_> so how is the edgy release going ?
[11:50] <bmo> read access for ntfs is easier
[11:50] <cpk2> it isnt going
[11:50] <bmo> it's not going?
[11:50] <zorglu_> cpk2: what do you mean ?
[11:50] <dude> bmo: release candidate?
[11:51] <cpk2> zorglu_: it isnt out quite just yet =P
[11:51] <zorglu_> cpk2: oh ok :)
[11:51] <bmo> I guess it's the release candidate
[11:51] <dude> bmo: how do i upgrade?
[11:52] <zorglu_> before the release date is good for the bandwidth :) at dapper release, the servers cried for at least 3weeks :)
[11:52] <bmo> change all dapper references to edgy in your /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:53] <bmo> or you can use update manager
[11:53] <zorglu_> there is a page for that
[11:53] <zorglu_> to handle some special case
[11:54] <teledyn> mastro: try tcpdump -l -n arp and host 192.168.0.217  then ping 192.168.0.217 and you'll see the arp requests
[11:54] <TheGateKeeper> it's on the wiki
[11:55] <teledyn> i don't know what this has to do with kubuntu
[11:55] <bmo> to blazes with the arps.  I want to see the fnords
[11:56] <zorglu_> TheGateKeeper: i cant find it. i looked at it yesterday it was from fdoving
[11:57] <teledyn> is that some other adolescent reptile species?
[11:57] <bmo> !fnord
[11:57] <ubotu> fnord: yet another small httpd. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-2 (dapper), package size 33 kB, installed size 172 kB
[11:57] <bmo> oh!
[11:57] <bmo> AHAHAHAHAAHAHH
[11:58] <bmo> obviously a robert anton wilson fan
[11:59] <cheewie> any one have test it how good it works
[11:59] <bmo> cpk2: fnord = secret word only the illuminated can see (reference The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson)
[11:59] <cpk2> ah
[12:00] <bmo> you should read it.  heh.
[12:00] <bmo> every time I loan out my copy I never get it back, so I have to keep buying new copies
[12:01] <bmo> wft
[12:01] <zblach> it's a conspiracy
[12:01] <bmo> "natalie merchant is 43 years old"
[12:03] <cheewie> bmo have you test it
[12:03] <bmo> what, ntfs under linux?
[12:03] <cpk2> zorglu_: NOW edgy is released =)
[12:03] <cheewie> ye
[12:03] <zorglu_> cpk2: hehe :))
[12:03] <cheewie> oki
[12:04] <cheewie> wellunno if i will test it yet
[12:04] <cheewie> edgy whats that for stuff?
[12:04] <bmo> do you need read and write or just read?
[12:04] <cheewie> read
[12:04] <bmo> oh, then you have it easy
[12:04] <ggenny> edgy amd64   does not recognize keyboard, usr and ps/2 on a8n-sli
[12:05] <cheewie> oki
[12:05] <bmo> install the standard ntfs stuff
[12:05] <zorglu_> !ntfs
[12:05] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[12:05] <bmo> someone gave a link to a repository up there
[12:05] <zorglu_> !ntfs-3g
[12:05] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[12:05] <livingdaylight> FEISTY FAWN !!!
[12:05] <livingdaylight> that is the name of the next UBuntu release
[12:05] <bmo> feisty fawn?
[12:05] <bmo> srsly?
[12:06] <zorglu_> i dont even know what does this mean :)
[12:06] <cheewie> oki thanks bmo
[12:07] <bmo> I think the next one should be named fuming fish
[12:07] <bmo> "it really stinks!" hehehehe
[12:08] <exhale-away> ok so 6.10 is out
[12:08] <exhale-away> when do you think we'll see a kubuntu release?
[12:08] <zblach> sometime today?
[12:08] <visik7> why kubuntu still hasn't reiserfs as option ?
[12:08] <exhale-away> what do you need reiserfs for?
[12:09] <visik7> as root fs
[12:09] <visik7> ubiquity doesn't show it
[12:09] <visik7> while ubuntu has
[12:09] <bmo> kubuntu supports reiserfs
[12:09] <bmo> and kubuntu
[12:09] <Acksaw> hey guys
[12:09] <cheewie> reiserfs whats that
[12:09] <Acksaw> ive just tried to intsall kubuntu on an old machine
[12:10] <Acksaw> and its got "stuck" just after detecting hardware
[12:10] <Acksaw> well, after that bit.... think it said loading partition something
[12:10] <Acksaw> then then went off and it froze
[12:10] <Acksaw> tried it a few times to no avail
[12:10] <bmo> acksaw: you may need one of the alternate disks
[12:10] <Acksaw> i tried the alternate
[12:10] <Probiotico> hey ppl. i'm newbie and i need some help: i need to define a path for some C libraries.. how can i do that?
[12:11] <bmo> ldconfig
[12:11] <visik7> last installation of kubuntu edgy hasn't
[12:11] <visik7> let me see if the final has it
[12:12] <momal> EDGY LOVE
[12:12] <Acksaw> anyone any ideas to my problem?
[12:12] <bmo> acksaw: how old is the system?
[12:12] <Acksaw> not that old
[12:12] <Acksaw> 1.8ghz
[12:12] <exhale-away> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.10/ is this the final or the RC?
[12:12] <Acksaw> 246mb ram
[12:12] <Acksaw> 256*
[12:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hello?
[12:13] <Probiotico> hey guys could u help with a C library problem?
[12:13] <zblach> exhale-away: unsure. lemme md5
[12:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i would like to clean my system, that is to come back to the original packages of kubuntu, 2 years of newbbeing have made my system messy, is there a way of doing it? SOmething like deselecting all packages and then reselect only kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:14] <zblach> exhale-away: release candidate
[12:14] <Acksaw> no one?
[12:14] <exhale-away> damn ;(
[12:14] <bmo> thinking, acksaw
[12:14] <Acksaw> ah
[12:14] <Acksaw> kk
[12:15] <Acksaw> it did get past that first time
[12:15] <exhale-away> why the hell did they name it in such way
[12:15] <Acksaw> but it got stuck about 10%
[12:15] <Acksaw> on installing base system
[12:15] <bmo> any USB devices plugged in while you were installing?
[12:15] <Acksaw> nope
[12:15] <Acksaw> just ps/2 kb and mouse
[12:15] <pielgrzym> is anyone using firestarter here? I can't figure why if firestarter deamon is runnin search in valknut is not working...
[12:15] <Acksaw> lol
[12:16] <bmo> I run firestarter.  to see if the firestarter daemon is running, ps uax | grep firestarter
[12:17] <bmo> what's valknut?
[12:18] <bmo> acksaw: a 1.8ghz machine with a quarter gig of memory is plenty enough to install with
[12:18] <Acksaw> yep
[12:18] <Acksaw> thats what i thought
[12:18] <Acksaw> but why does it get stuck?
[12:18] <Acksaw> it just shows blue screen and the grey type bar
[12:18] <bmo> something in hardware is probably screwy.  any winmodems, silly stuff like that?
[12:19] <bmo> indeed, you shouldn't need an alternate install disk
[12:19] <Acksaw> well
[12:20] <Acksaw> it has an ethernet card
[12:20] <student1_> hi
[12:21] <student2> hi
[12:21] <exhale> hi
[12:21] <student1_> u oik?
[12:21] <student2> yeh im ok
[12:21] <bmo> you can try yanking it out to see if it's choking on the ethernet card.  though, you kind-of need it to hook it up to the network, right? heh
[12:21] <student1_> he got cused
[12:21] <student2> anyone else on this line
[12:21] <Acksaw> yeh bmo lol
[12:21] <student1_> yh me
[12:21] <student2> i know u
[12:21] <Acksaw> and nothing is connected to it
[12:21] <student1_> hahahahaha
[12:22] <student1_> and
[12:22] <student2> where does this network run frm
[12:22] <Acksaw> from freenode ;)
[12:22] <student2> k thanks
[12:23] <Acksaw> sc0tt is here :O i know sc0tt lol (lioves 500 yards from me)
[12:23] <Acksaw> sc0tt sucks
[12:23] <student1_> thats gd 4 u
[12:23] <Acksaw> student1_ and student2 are you in a uni or soemething?
[12:23] <student1_> yh
[12:23] <Acksaw> because kubuntu users usually can spell
[12:23] <student1_> were cousoins
[12:24] <Acksaw> what uni, your whois says btcentral so that means england...
[12:24] <student2> we can spell
[12:24] <exhale> o rly
[12:24] <student1_> yeah
[12:24] <Acksaw> what uni?
[12:24] <student2> does it matter
[12:24] <Acksaw> yeh
[12:25] <Acksaw> i got uni at Keele
[12:25] <Acksaw> go*
[12:25] <student1_> no it don't
[12:25] <student1_> no
[12:25] <Acksaw> just answer it =\
[12:25] <Acksaw> what am i gonna do hax you!?!?1
[12:25] <student1_> NO
[12:25] <Acksaw> kids eh.
[12:25] <student1_> fuck you
[12:25] <Acksaw> haha
[12:25] <Acksaw> lmao
[12:26] <student1_> its not that funny
[12:26] <momal> pretty please kubuntu edgy come my way :D
[12:26] <thoreauputic> student1_: watch your language, please
[12:27] <student1_> no
[12:27] <bmo> acksaw: see if your network card is on this list : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards
[12:28] <zorglu_> hmm i think this kind of threat should go away
[12:28] <Acksaw> bmo
[12:28] <zorglu_> of implicit threat i mean
[12:28] <Acksaw> nothing it connected to the car
[12:28] <Acksaw> d
[12:28] <Acksaw> its just the card
[12:28] <Acksaw> ahh
[12:28] <zorglu_> either you warn him to stop of gonna be removed or you remove it
[12:28] <Acksaw> i have no idae of the modell
[12:28] <zorglu_> but no implicit thread
[12:28] <zorglu_> t
[12:29] <Daviey> is there any difference between kubuntu and (ubuntu + kde)
[12:29] <Daviey> ?
[12:29] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: what do you think ?
[12:29] <Acksaw> umm
[12:29] <Acksaw> kubuntu IS ubuntu + kde
[12:29] <exhale> but without gnome
[12:29] <exhale> :)
[12:30] <Dheeraj_k> is it possible to install kubuntu with both kde and gnome?
[12:30] <Acksaw> yep
[12:30] <bmo> install gnome-desktop (I think that's the metapackage)
[12:30] <Daviey> see thats what i was asking, installing ubuntu and test driving kubuntu
[12:30] <zorglu_> Dheeraj_k: a single command on kubuntu allow you to do it
[12:31] <Daviey> but the repos' are the same?
[12:31] <bmo> yes
[12:31] <zorglu_> Daviey: well if it is easy to install, it is much harder to remove :)
[12:31] <Daviey> zorglu_, haha
[12:31] <bmo> zorglu: too true
[12:31] <Dheeraj_k> apt-get install gnome ?
[12:31] <zorglu_> apt-get install gnome-desktop
[12:31] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: are you there ?
[12:31] <Daviey> Dheeraj_k, gone-(+tab) ;)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: no threat implied - just opped in case he continued
[12:32] <Dheeraj_k> i have cd of both ubuntu and kubuntu is it possible to install gnome from ubuntu cd?
[12:32] <B-Minus> anyone installed lotus notes on kubuntu ?
[12:32] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: but you understand it may easily be understood as a threat ?
[12:32] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: *sigh*
[12:33] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: ?
[12:33] <bmo> b-minus: www.winehq.org
[12:33] <Daviey> Dheeraj_k, if you set the cd as a repo.  /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: I rarely kick or evn mute people
[12:33] <exhale> im a bit confused now.. is Kubuntu 6.10 out or is it not?
[12:33] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: i think it is a good thing :) i was talking about doing implicit threat
[12:33] <Dheeraj_k> and is there any sollution available for this bug?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: I understood you
[12:34] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: well just wanted to make the point that i think that doing implicit threat is no good. people could be warned but it has to be explicit
[12:34] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: sometimes merely opping is enough to bring the temperature down
[12:34] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: I asked hinm to stop and he said ""no"
[12:34] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: i do understand that the threat may be efficient, but i disliked the implicit in it
[12:35] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: but I don't want to debat it with you
[12:35] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: I asked him to stop - he said "no"
[12:35] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: something like 'if you continue, i would have to kick you' and if it continue, you kick him
[12:35] <B-Minus> bmo: lotus notes is also available for linux
[12:35] <B-Minus> i have the package but the whole manual is for redhat writter
[12:35] <B-Minus> written
[12:35] <B-Minus> im almost there
[12:35] <Dheeraj_k> https://launchpad.net/bugs/40855
[12:35] <bmo> it is?  oh, ok
[12:35] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: thanks for the advice
[12:35] <Dheeraj_k> that is the only problem i am facing with ubuntu/kubuntu
[12:35] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: i failed to convince you, didnt i ? :)
[12:36] <thoreauputic> zorglu_: I take your point - can we stop now ?
[12:36] <exhale> im a bit confused now.. is Kubuntu 6.10 out or is it not?
[12:36] <B-Minus> exhale: no its not, the beta is
[12:36] <zorglu_> thoreauputic: as you wish
[12:36] <B-Minus> exhale: in a week or 2 it will be
[12:36] <exhale> i see
[12:37] <bmo> why so long?
[12:37] <Dheeraj_k> ........
[12:37] <B-Minus> exhale: its the last beta, so its quit possible this beta will be the same as the real release
[12:37] <Dheeraj_k> clear
[12:37] <exhale> um dont you mean RC B-Minus?
[12:37] <bmo> well, I gotta say it's pretty darn close for a beta
[12:39] <B-Minus> yes
[12:39] <B-Minus> its like
[12:39] <B-Minus> Release Candidate 1 is the fifth, and final in a series of milestone CD images that will be released throughout the Edgy development cycle as images known to be reasonably free of CD-build or installer bugs.
[12:40] <shrimp> :)
[12:41] <student1_> k whats with this bug going around
[12:41] <B-Minus> is there some tool to change the KDE menu ? the build-in editor is kinda strange to use
[12:41] <B-Minus> i see many programs in the editor that arent visible in the real menu
[12:42] <student3> wat 1 of u mother fuckers sent me hat bug
[12:42] <B-Minus> what
[12:42] <student3> that
[12:42] <imbrandon> [05:36]  <B-Minus> exhale: in a week or 2 it will be  <-- not exactly, edgy ( a.k.a 6.10 ) gets released today , infact here in just a few minutes
[12:43] <max_> freaking crap
[12:43] <B-Minus> imbrandon: i see
[12:43] <B-Minus> imbrandon: ok thats better news then
[12:43] <B-Minus> :p
[12:43] <Sidebar> :)
[12:43] <B-Minus> im not going to upgrade to edgy because im very happy with dapper
[12:43] <Sidebar> I just installed my frist linux yesterday
[12:43] <Sidebar> first*
[12:43] <max_> apt-get is not working fo rme anyymore
[12:44] <exhale> imbrandon: so i have been misinformed then? :o
[12:44] <B-Minus> + the upgrade to edgy will screw all my settings up
[12:44] <Daviey> Sidebar, my first hard drive broken yesterday (ie won't even power up)
[12:44] <Sidebar> ouch.
[12:44] <fabio> hi to all
[12:44] <Sidebar> i'm having a porblem
[12:44] <B-Minus> hi
[12:44] <Sidebar> problem*
[12:44] <fabio> me too
[12:44] <fabio> ejejej
[12:44] <imbrandon> moins fabio
[12:45] <Sidebar> KXDocker just turns off at random times
[12:45] <Sidebar> how do I stop that?
[12:46] <teledyn> B-Minus: what settings?
[12:46] <imbrandon> [05:43]  <B-Minus> + the upgrade to edgy will screw all my settings up <-- why would it mess your settings up ?
[12:47] <fabio> i have a problem with the sound
[12:47] <fabio> i don't know but some times the sound sistem function and sometimes no
[12:48] <teledyn> fabio: maybe some app is claiming the audio device and locking it
[12:48] <fabio> i tried to restart alsa
[12:48] <fabio> but not
[12:48] <B-Minus> imbrandon: cause i know it will, like kde settings etc
[12:48] <fabio> you say ...?how i can see this..
[12:48] <B-Minus> fonts
[12:49] <fabio> thanks
[12:49] <teledyn> fabio: lsof |grep snd
[12:49] <imbrandon> B-Minus, no thats all stored in ~/.kde , it shouldent at all
[12:49] <B-Minus> i just know it will because it happened with the previous upgrade too
[12:49] <B-Minus> +
[12:49] <JosefK> heh, no matter what I do, kate always strips empty lines from the end of a file - ideas anyone?
[12:49] <B-Minus> what happens to the sources.list ? what happens to the manually added repos inthere
[12:49] <teledyn> B-Minus: that's just ridiculous. you don't know and just are whining about it
[12:49] <imbrandon> B-Minus, nothing
[12:49] <B-Minus> im not whining i just say im not gonna upgrade because im happy with dapper
[12:50] <imbrandon> B-Minus, and thats fine, but dont spread FUD
[12:50] <imbrandon> thats untrue
[12:50] <teledyn> yeah but you make a statement that is totally not supported by factual evidence or even probability
[12:50] <teledyn> "it will" is very different than saying "i'm afraid that it might"
[12:51] <B-Minus> imbrandon: so you are saying you wont have to reconfigure anything after the upgrade ?
[12:51] <B-Minus> everything will look just the same ?
[12:52] <imbrandon> B-Minus, no you shouldent have to reconfigure anything
[12:52] <keith_> hi
[12:52] <teledyn> i didn't.  i can't even tell the difference
[12:52] <Sanne> B-Minus: another idea would be to just backup your home folder...
[12:52] <exhale> same here
[12:52] <B-Minus> imbrandon: well i had to reconfigure 915resolution with the previous upgrade + my mscorefont
[12:52] <B-Minus> + my kde theme was screwed up
[12:52] <B-Minus> + sound wasnt working, i had to reconfigure alsa
[12:53] <exhale> if so, why not do a clean upgrade and do a fresh install from a cd?
[12:53] <imbrandon> B-Minus, then you had a botched upgrade , other issues, that dosent happen 99.999999999% of the time
[12:53] <B-Minus> exhale: because i had a lot of work to configure linux the way it is now
[12:53] <B-Minus> im using it for my work
[12:53] <imbrandon> exactly
[12:53] <B-Minus> and im at my work right now
[12:53] <exhale> B-Minus: backups?
[12:53] <teledyn> B-Minus: if having to reconfigure something is the end of the world for you then by all means don't upgrade
[12:53] <Jucato> wah.. still no Edgy...
[12:54] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[12:54] <momal> edgy for ubuntu is out.. but not kubuntu :(
[12:54] <imbrandon> its just a matter of minutes
[12:54] <teledyn> i personally wouldn't mind having to spend about 15 seconds to reconfigure something if i needed to
[12:54] <B-Minus> teledyn: I wish it were 15 seconds
[12:54] <ggenny> edgy amd64   does not recognize keyboard, usr and ps/2 on a8n-sli
[12:54] <B-Minus> first you need to analyse what exactly went wrong
[12:55] <Jucato> imbrandon: what would be the fastest way to download? iso or torrent? (I'm presuming .iso for the first round of downloads?)
[12:55] <exhale> bah.. screw upgrades. clean installs ftw you dont get skit like that
[12:55] <exhale> Jucato: use bittorrent if you dont want to kill servers :P
[12:55] <imbrandon> Jucato, either way
[12:55] <B-Minus> ye clean installs but i had a lot of work with this one
[12:55] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:55] <exhale> it all depends on the amount of seeders etc
[12:56] <B-Minus> linux joining a windows 2000 domain, citrix included, lotus notes, + 20 other things
[12:56] <exhale> B-Minus: why dont you have a seperate partition for /home and stuff
[12:56] <B-Minus> dunno
[12:56] <exhale> well i recommend that you get that :P
[12:57] <B-Minus> hmm wel maybe in the future
[12:57] <imbrandon> B-Minus, again your missing 2 very important points here, 1) you dident backup /home 2) that is not the majority or even a percentage of users
[12:57] <teledyn> B-Minus: citrix isn't part of ubuntu, nor is notes, so how can you complain about those?
[12:57] <imbrandon> and 3) dapper is LTS
[12:57] <imbrandon> so its ok to stay with
[12:57] <imbrandon> but dont spread FUD
[12:58] <teledyn> FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt
[12:58] <exhale> guys, are there any KDE themes in the repos?
[12:58] <cpk2> "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Amdahl products." rofl
[12:58] <lotusleaf> Is Kubuntu.org going to be updated? It still says RC available at the top O_o
[12:58] <RawSewage> The new Kubuntu is out
[12:58] <teledyn> exhale: apt-cache search kde |grep theme
[12:59] <imbrandon> lotusleaf, when its ready yes
[12:59] <RawSewage> oh yeah
[12:59] <exhale> teledyn: thanks
[12:59] <t0taln00b> hi all
[12:59] <t0taln00b> howdy
[12:59] <cpk2> exhale: whats wrong with kde-look.org?
[12:59] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: k thx =)
[12:59] <exhale> cpk2: i dont know how to compile
[12:59] <cpk2> exhale: you install them?
[12:59] <exhale> cpk2: yea the themes i looked at
[12:59] <Jucato> exhale: not *all* kinds of "themes" need to be compiled/installed
[12:59] <cpk2> kde theme is slightly ambiguous since there are several different "themes"
[01:00] <Jucato> exhale: then you are looking at "widget styles"
[01:00] <Jucato> which unfortunately, do have to be installed
[01:00] <alex_> When I restart my computer, KDE wallet loses all my passwords, does anyone know what causes that?
[01:00] <exhale> Jucato: no KDE 3.5 themes
[01:00] <cpk2> but I am pretty sure most everything at kde-look.org you can install via a nice interface
[01:00] <teledyn> i thought themes were kind of being deprecated in favor of window styles
[01:01] <Jucato> exhale: KDE-Look doesn't really do a very good job of categorizing their stuff... I'm presuming those KDE 3.5 themes are widget styles
[01:01] <imbrandon> not a great idea to connect to irc as root ( or even run a computer as root )
[01:01] <Jucato> lol
[01:01] <exhale> Jucato: they're pretty advanced looking thats for shure
[01:02] <imbrandon> Jucato, kde-look.org is the place to go, as there are many diffrent meansing to "themes" in kde
[01:02] <Jucato> exhale: ah a quick look confirms it. those "Themes" in the KDE x.x categories are Widget styles
[01:02] <Jucato> imbrandon: except that they put styles under the same category as themes
[01:02] <teledyn> monad: you should not be running as root
[01:03] <exhale> yay its out :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> Jucato, sure styles are p[art of themes
[01:03] <exhale> ok Jucato
[01:03] <Jucato> imbrandon: but the other "theme" they put together with the styles are .kth themes/files
[01:03] <alex_> lol
[01:03] <Jucato> which only makes it a bit more confusing
[01:04] <momal> EDGY :D
[01:04] <imbrandon> again .kth can be used for many things
[01:04] <momal> so how should i go about upgrading from dapper?
[01:04] <Jucato> imbrandon: yes, which is why they should be put in a category of their own
[01:04] <imbrandon> !upgrade
[01:04] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:05] <imbrandon> Jucato, that wouldent work then you would have icon sets win styles etc all togather
[01:05] <Jucato> imbrandon: I know that too... that's why imho, .kth are a bit useless, at least in the KDE 3 themeing system...
[01:06] <asincrono> hi
[01:06] <Jucato> that's why I'm also not bothered that the Theme Manager isn't in System Settings :)
[01:06] <imbrandon> there is none Jucato
[01:06] <teledyn> time to fire up btdownloadheadless...
[01:06] <B-Minus> eh
[01:06] <Jucato> imbrandon: yep. none in System Settings, but it's in KControl. but I don't care hehehe! :P
[01:07] <B-Minus> its enough to change all "Dapper" to "Edgy" in your sources.list and then full upgrade
[01:07] <robert_> join #kubuntu-pl
[01:07] <imbrandon> ok ............................. are you guys ready !?!
[01:07] <imbrandon> ok ............................. are you guys ready !?!
[01:07] <B-Minus> ot isnt it
[01:07] <B-Minus> yes im ready lol
[01:07] <exhale> ready for what?
[01:07] <Jucato> ready!
[01:08] <cpk2> woooooo
[01:08] <teledyn> what's the factoid for dist-upgrading to edgy?
[01:08] <Riddell> ta da!
[01:08] <visik_> I'm right
[01:08] <Jucato> yay!!!!
[01:08] <visik_> kubuntu doesn't have reiserfs support for installation
[01:08] <imbrandon> teledyn, !upgrade
[01:08] <asincrono> can u help me? I had just compiled mplayer but I only get some kind of noise trying to open mp3 (or .avi)
[01:08] <Noxville> hey,,
[01:08] <exhale> your  late =P
[01:08] <Jucato> Edgy is off the edge!!
[01:08] <visik_> I can't create a reiser partition
[01:08] <Riddell> !upgrade
[01:08] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:08] <Jucato> visik_: not with the Desktop CD afaik
[01:08] <imbrandon> visik_, it does on the alternate cd
[01:08] <cpk2> asincrono: why compile it?
[01:08] <teledyn> B-Minus: /msg ubotu upgrade
[01:08] <asincrono> cpk2 broken pkg
[01:08] <visik_> yes but why ? ubuntu has reiser option!
[01:08] <Noxville> is there, as opposed to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to download a tarball of kde, burn it to cd then install it?
[01:09] <xsacha> gaaaaaah every time i move an image in a .doc in OpenOffice, it crashes the program
[01:09] <teledyn> visik_: um you may not want to use reiser, based on current events
[01:09] <imbrandon> visik_, afaik its not supported in qtparted is why
[01:09] <asincrono> ask for an lib can't install (lower version someone I have allready installed)
[01:09] <xsacha> im gonna check if it will let me convert to, and then back from later and it'll all work
[01:09] <imbrandon> that and mr reiser just went to jail for murder :)
[01:09] <visik_> teledyn: for me is irrilevant if hans is in jail
[01:09] <teledyn> i'm using jfs and love it
[01:09] <Jucato> ooh :)
[01:09] <asincrono> but in the compilation of mplayer all goes ok... I can pay wav files with no problem... but mp3 = noise
[01:10] <teledyn> visik_: only relevant in terms of potential future support.  there was a recent blog discussion about suse switching from reiserfs
[01:10] <imbrandon> asincrono, why are you compiling mplayer ?
[01:10] <visik_> teledyn: yes but reiser option on kubuntu is missed from dapper
[01:11] <visik_> not from edgy
[01:11] <xsacha> not an option in edgy, yeah
[01:11] <asincrono> imbramdon cause I can't install it with apt-get install
[01:11] <imbrandon> asincrono, you need to enable multiverse and you can
[01:11] <teledyn> visik_: http://news.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/03/2114230&tid=96
[01:12] <imbrandon> ubotu, tell asincrono about components
[01:12] <visik_> xsacha: I repeat on ubuntu is present on kubuntu isn't
[01:12] <Jucato> visik_: anyway, as you've been told, it's more of a technical issue
[01:12] <teledyn> damn only 15 peers.  come on people!
[01:12] <imbrandon> visik_, and i repeat its on the alternate cd but its not in qtparted so not in the desktop
[01:12] <bluch> !rpm
[01:12] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[01:13] <B-Minus> ok am also upgraden
[01:13] <B-Minus> upgrading
[01:13] <visik_> imbrandon: but what qtparted has to do with this issue ? doesn't ubiquity use parted as a backend and has its own frontend ?
[01:13] <B-Minus> i hope i wont regret it
[01:14] <imbrandon> visik_, no it uses qtparted for the front end
[01:14] <Jucato> visik_: Ubiquity on Kubuntu uses QtParted for the partitioner
[01:14] <imbrandon> on the kde side
[01:14] <rjb> cze magda:)
[01:15] <spocky> hello
[01:16] <spocky> how do I use the Dock pannel? Are my apps supposed to minimize there?
[01:16] <B-Minus> is it normal that im sweating
[01:16] <Jucato> B-Minus: depends on a lot of factors :)
[01:17] <asincrono> I try to explain the problen installing mplayer with apt-get I get that mplayer depends libdirectfb-0.9-22 but it can't install it
[01:18] <jende> !de
[01:18] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:19] <marten> hi
[01:19] <marten> with the alternate install cd - can i ONLY perform certain "specialist installation" or also the "normal" one?
[01:20] <ashley_> hello
[01:20] <exhale> burning :D
[01:20] <eeos> hi there, can anyone help me with wine on kubuntu?
[01:20] <marten> eeos: whats your problem?
[01:20] <ashley_> i can help with wine
[01:20] <eeos> I can't install it at all
[01:20] <marten> apt-get install wine
[01:20] <eeos> adept tells me that the installtion is briken
[01:20] <eeos> when I try to install
[01:21] <eeos> and does not let me install it at all
[01:21] <eeos> I added the repository
[01:21] <ashley_> try downloading crossover for linux
[01:21] <marten> adept suxxx... whats the error if you do execute the command on console?
[01:21] <marten> with the alternate install cd - can i ONLY perform certain "specialist installation" or also the "normal" one?
[01:21] <eeos> I am using kubuntu 6.06 with all updates, version AMD 64
[01:21] <ashley_> try downloading crossover for linux
[01:21] <ashley_> try downloading crossover for linux
[01:21] <ashley_> bye
[01:21] <Tm_T> marten: Normal too.
[01:22] <eeos> marten what do yu mean?
[01:22] <eeos> ashley_ where from?
[01:22] <marten> Tm_T: cool... why don't all people download the alternate version... it's just about 5 MB larger
[01:23] <Jucato> preference :)
[01:23] <Jucato> some want a live cd that they could use?
[01:23] <Tm_T> marten: Because it doesn't work as livecd. ;)
[01:23] <Jucato> I use a Live CD from time to time, to recover GRUB and stuff
[01:23] <Tm_T> marten: Also it doesn't have that new installer, it uses only old ncurses-one.
[01:24] <marten> ok thx
[01:24] <cpk2> asincrono: I know you should be able to apt-get mplayer because I have it and got it via apt-get
[01:24] <Jucato> The Desktop (Live) CD installer has fewer options, but easier to follow (6 steps)
[01:25] <Tm_T> Yes.
[01:25] <cpk2> asincrono: also I dont even have libdirectfb-0.9-22 installed
[01:26] <Jucato> ok, time for grub :)
[01:26] <asincrono> cpk2: maybe u have some extra sources I don't
[01:26] <Jucato> oooh someone still uses Kopete for IRC??
[01:26] <Jucato> not me hehe
[01:27] <cpk2> asincrono: universe and multiverse should be all you need
[01:27] <asincrono> cpk2: I have edgy... maybe that's the difference whith you
[01:27] <xsacha> check out this video clip of kubuntu edgy rc1 + beryl: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4422301974133092315
[01:28] <cheewie> xsacha how do i config that ?
[01:28] <asincrono> Jesus... I though that beryl will not get more ... useless plugins :)
[01:29] <asincrono> what happen if u enable water and fire effect at the same time O_o?
[01:29] <xsacha> lol,  cheewie, just d/l kubuntu edgy, d/l beryl, type "beryl" and then d/l the plugin.. oh and custom wallpaper
[01:29] <jan_> join #ubuntu
[01:29] <jan_> !join #ubuntu
[01:29] <xsacha> doesnt take long
[01:29] <cheewie> edgy where do i find that?
[01:29] <xsacha> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[01:29] <jan_> how do i connect to "#ubuntu?
[01:30] <xsacha> jan_: /join #ubuntu
[01:30] <xsacha> or just click on it
[01:30] <jan_> xsacha: tnx
[01:30] <rjb> what's beryl?
[01:30] <visik_> anyone using kblogger on blogspot?
[01:30] <xsacha> !beryl
[01:30] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[01:30] <rjb> thx
[01:31] <asincrono> rjb some kinde of window manager that run with XGL
[01:31] <xsacha> naah xgl sucks, runs with nvidia beta drivers and aiglx too
[01:31] <rjb> 3d accelerated graphics required, right?
[01:31] <xsacha> yes
[01:31] <asincrono> yes
[01:32] <rjb> bah, not for me then
[01:32] <xsacha> :( what video card?
[01:32] <rjb> SiS integrated (in my laptop)
[01:32] <cheewie> can i update version 6,06 to 6,10?
[01:32] <xsacha> yes cheewie
[01:32] <maithai> yup
[01:32] <cheewie> ok
[01:32] <cheewie> thanks
[01:32] <cheewie> are nwebie on this^^
[01:33] <asincrono> someone who allready use Xgl/beryl can tell me if can close session with no problem?
[01:33] <xsacha> i used xgl and i dont like it :P aiglx/beryl for me
[01:33] <rjb> got a GeForce 6200 in my desktop though
[01:34] <asincrono> xsacha: what's the difference?
[01:34] <rjb> but the nvidia drivers never worked well for me
[01:34] <xsacha> BIG difference, you should read up on it
[01:34] <asincrono> rjb: I got the same graphic card... works fine.
[01:34] <cpk2> hrmm I was under the impression that 6.10 was going to be i686
[01:34] <xsacha> it's still i586?
[01:34] <asincrono> I will read.
[01:34] <teledyn> rjb: the sis won't do glx?
[01:34] <rjb> asincrono: for me it seems like it was leaking memory
[01:34] <cpk2> 386
[01:34] <rjb> (the nvidia)
[01:34] <xsacha> oh
[01:35] <xsacha> i dunno, i use amd64
[01:35] <rjb> sis xorg driver doesn't do 3d accel:(
[01:35] <pegger> quicker as dapper?
[01:35] <asincrono> rjb: 256 mb on my card...  xgl works fine.
[01:36] <rjb> asincrono: tends to eat up all swap for me
[01:36] <rjb> maybe an amd64 issue?
[01:36] <asincrono> rjb: no idea
[01:36] <xsacha> doubt it, what drivers?
[01:37] <keyo> hi all
[01:37] <cpk2> and i dont see any kubuntu dvds?
[01:37] <xsacha> rjb: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/sis.4.html
[01:38] <keyo> is there a beryl/xgl channel on here?
[01:38] <xsacha> yes, #beryl
[01:38] <xsacha> and #ubuntu-xgl if you want to use xgl
[01:38] <twosouls82> 'lo 'lo :)
[01:39] <rjb> xsacha: nvidia
[01:39] <xsacha> for your sis card, sure no 3d? :(
[01:40] <asincrono> mmm ppl with nvidia driver can't use AIGLX... it needs dri...
[01:40] <teledyn> asincrono: sure they can
[01:40] <xsacha> they can use xgl, aiglx or neither if they want to
[01:41] <xsacha> but the nvidia drivers that require neither apparently aren't giving good frame rates?
[01:41] <teledyn> glxinfo: direct rendering: Yes   lspci: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200] 
[01:41] <visik_> beryl is ugly
[01:41] <visik_> effects are bad
[01:42] <xsacha> ok visik_ then make a better plugin :D
[01:42] <visik_> xsacha: compiz plugin was good
[01:42] <MidMark> Hi, i'm upgrading from dapper to edgy
[01:42] <visik_> why this ugly effects
[01:43] <keyo> i am using beryl now, yea some effects are useless but i like it
[01:43] <MidMark> i've a problem: there is a conflict with x-windows-system-core
[01:43] <xsacha> i know a lot of the effects are useless but it's just showing what it can do, we need more people making plugins, some useful one
[01:43] <keyo> any specific effects you are talking about visik_?
[01:43] <MidMark> what have to do?
[01:43] <visik_> the minimize effect and the wave menu effect
[01:43] <xsacha> blur is quite useless for instance but it shows what it can do, very nice :)
[01:43] <visik_> keyo: I don't like them
[01:44] <xsacha> visik_ use a different one or increase the time :)
[01:44] <keyo> yea they are a little OTT
[01:44] <xsacha> setting time to 1 second makes it look better
[01:44] <rjb> xsacha: " There is no DRI/OpenGL/3D support for the SiS 6326, 5597/5598, 530/620, 315, 550, 650, 651, 740, 330, 661, 741, 760, 761 including all model variations with letters in the model number.
[01:44] <rjb> "
[01:44] <ashley_> hi guy
[01:44] <visik_> btw I've removed beryl
[01:44] <visik_> bad kde integration
[01:44] <rjb> from http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#22
[01:44] <visik_> is the main reason I don't use it anymore
[01:44] <rjb> my card is one of those:(
[01:45] <xsacha> :(
[01:45] <B-Minus> im at 50% :p
[01:45] <keyo> i am on kde and it runs laggy sometimes and used 40% cpu
[01:45] <ashley_> la la la
[01:45] <rjb> (don't recal which)
[01:45] <ashley_> la la la
[01:45] <xsacha> compiz had bad kde integration, i dont see a problem with beryl's..
[01:45] <MidMark> why updating to edgy I've this problem?
[01:45] <MidMark> pls help me
[01:45] <ashley_> la la la
[01:45] <Tm_T> ashley_: Stop making noise.
[01:46] <ashley_> midmark what you need help with
[01:46] <xsacha> it needs cairo but hopefully not too much longer
[01:46] <MidMark> ashley_: trying to update to edgy, and there is a conflicts with x-window-system-core
[01:46] <MidMark> I have to remove?
[01:47] <visik_> xsacha: desktop integration isn't working, and I use many Fn keys I should remap the beryl keys or the kde keys and is a pain to do it
[01:47] <maverick> Tm_T: you , stop making noise :s
[01:47] <Tm_T> maverick: What you mean?
[01:47] <MidMark> says that require xorg 7.1 that is not installed
[01:47] <RawSewage> Torrents are faster, everyone
[01:47] <xsacha> well you're not meant to leave it as default if that's what you're thinking :S
[01:48] <twosouls82> I assume I need to add a repo for Edgy, in order upgrade, which is it? does someone have a link to a page?
[01:48] <cpk2> twosouls82: replace all dapper with edgy
[01:48] <cpk2> !upgrade
[01:48] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:49] <twosouls82> nevermind I found it my bad
[01:49] <twosouls82> thanks cpk2
[01:49] <rjb> btw, is it normal that on my machine edgy shows no messages below the boot splash?
[01:50] <teledyn> some people with T3 connections need to join in the torrent  :-)
[01:50] <xsacha> will my 10mbit do?
[01:50] <teledyn> rjb: at boot edit the grub kernel line and remove 'quiet'
[01:51] <xsacha> 10mbit leech ;) 128kbit seed
[01:51] <teledyn> xsacha: :] 
[01:51] <rjb> teledyn: ok thx, so quiet is the default now?
[01:51] <teledyn> rjb: i guess
[01:52] <lotusleaf> teledyn: I just tried to join the kubuntu torrent but it keeps failing.. maybe Freeloader doesn't allow more than one download at a time
[01:52] <lotusleaf> !freeloader
[01:52] <ubotu> freeloader: A nice GNOME download manager supporting torrents. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-3 (dapper), package size 36 kB, installed size 388 kB
[01:52] <teledyn> xsacha: nein! nein! nein!
[01:52] <xsacha> it's not my fault my ISP limit my upstream :)
[01:52] <teledyn> lotusleaf: try btdownloadheadless or btlaunchmanycurses
[01:52] <visik_> anyone using kblogger on blogspot?
[01:52] <lotusleaf> teledyn: k thx, that will continue to upload after it's finished downloading, right?
[01:53] <lotusleaf> teledyn: I'm going to keep ubuntu + kubuntu uploading for a week or so
[01:53] <teledyn> lotusleaf: at least for a while
[01:53] <lotusleaf> teledyn: k thx =)
[01:54] <MidMark> cpk2: ubuntu server is down due to high connections
[01:54] <MidMark> can you please tell me why upgrading to edgy give me a conflict?
[01:55] <MidMark> in xorg?
[01:55] <cpk2> its probably replacing it
[01:55] <teledyn> i wonder if all the people d/ling from the ubuntu site is slowing down the torrent too since they're the master seeders
[01:55] <cpk2> people have finished torrents by now though
[01:55] <cpk2> and they had better be seeding!
[01:57] <teledyn> cpk2: i don't know my client says  peer status: 17 seen, 27.2% done which means no one's got a full copy yet
[01:57] <cpk2> teledyn: if no one has a full copy how are you getting it? =)
[01:58] <teledyn> plus 0.990 distributed copies, which is low.  that should be higher for the speed to increase
[01:58] <teledyn> cpk2: because its being seeded
[01:58] <teledyn> we get it from the seeder and then share it among ourselves
[01:58] <cpk2> so how many seeds are there?
[01:58] <teledyn> right now only 2
[01:59] <cpk2> so maybe 1 person finished =P
[01:59] <teledyn> probably in a week there will be 30 or 40
[02:02] <teledyn> this release kind of reminds me of a holiday, or something like when a new NASA spaceship reaches a planet for the first time
[02:02] <xsacha> :S you've had one too many cups of ubuntu
[02:03] <xsacha> (ubuntu+1)
[02:03] <teledyn> everyone in the forums is talking about the upgrades
[02:04] <teledyn> i wonder, are our operating systems become an extended part of our nervous systems?
[02:04] <twosouls82> !paste
[02:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:04] <twosouls82> merci
[02:05] <twosouls82> is it safe to upgrade, eventhough all these items are kept back?
[02:05] <twosouls82> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28415/
[02:05] <teledyn> i just hope when oil runs out that they can keep making cheap laptops and keep the internet going
[02:07] <cpk2> twosouls82: probably, do an upgrade and then a dist-upgrade i believe
[02:07] <twosouls82> cpk2: I will try :) and pray :D
[02:07] <twosouls82> merci
[02:07] <cpk2> twosouls82: back up important stuff first =)
[02:08] <twosouls82> cpk2: already done that
[02:08] <twosouls82> :)
[02:09] <teledyn> twosouls82: yeah that's safe
[02:09] <teledyn> twosouls82: there should be a note on the upgrade page about how to deal with those extra packages.
[02:10] <twosouls82> teledyn: must have missed that skimming that page, thanks for the notice
[02:10] <teledyn> twosouls82: see the note here for kubuntu users about what to do:  http://www.ubuntu.com/news/EdgyReleaseCandidate
[02:11] <twosouls82> teledyn: :) I would never came up with that idea myself, thanks again
[02:11] <teledyn> twosouls82: you might also be able to just apt-get remove some or most of those held back ones because they are obsolete.  if it doesn't claim they are needed then you can just remove them
[02:11] <twosouls82> true
[02:11] <twosouls82> :)
[02:11] <twosouls82> I feel dumb now
[02:11] <teledyn> just remove them one at a time.  if it only removes that package it is safe
[02:12] <twosouls82> :D
[02:12] <twosouls82> teledyn: I am not new, just needed some input... I have it all now, thanks to you ;)
[02:12] <teledyn> twosouls82: i think you want to install hpijs but the foomatic ones are obsolete
[02:13] <twosouls82> teledyn: already removed some conflicts
[02:14] <cpk2> twosouls82: normally packages that are held back will get upgraded witha  dist-upgrade
[02:14] <swanfl> I see edgy has finally been relaeased
[02:15] <twosouls82> cpk2: that's why confusion at first
[02:15] <cpk2> twosouls82: so upgrade and then after that do dist upgrade i think =)
[02:16] <twosouls82> cpk2: this is what I am doing, removing kept backs -> upgrade -> dist-upgrade -> reinstall some
[02:16] <nikkne> hi guys,
[02:16] <twosouls82> hi nikkne :)
[02:16] <nikkne> i tried update-manager to update my kubuntu 6.06
[02:17] <swanfl> don't you need to update your sources.list?
[02:17] <nikkne> and in the middle of the process it reported that it cannot remove /usr/X11R6/bin
[02:17] <nikkne> doesn't update-manager does that instead of me?
[02:18] <nikkne> I had something there, which I removed latter
[02:18] <nikkne> now, update-manager complains about broken packages
[02:18] <nikkne> apt-get is useless, since it spits:
[02:18] <nikkne> Unpacking replacement x11-common ...
[02:18] <nikkne> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:18] <nikkne>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package xinput
[02:18] <nikkne> any solution?
[02:19] <too_pac> how can iu configure internet connection with kubuntu?
[02:19] <cpk2> apt-get with x stopped?
[02:20] <teledyn> nikkne: apt-get remove xinput then reinstall it later on
[02:21] <nikkne> teledyn: still complains about unmet dependencies :(
[02:21] <twosouls82> could you all stop using kubuntu.org for a while... it is so slow
[02:21] <twosouls82> :D
[02:22] <too_pac> kubuntu.org?
[02:22] <twosouls82> yeppers
[02:22] <teledyn> nikkne: maybe apt-get install --reinstall the package
[02:23] <nikkne> aaaargh! still no progress:
[02:23] <nikkne> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xinput
[02:23] <nikkne> Reading package lists... Done
[02:23] <nikkne> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:23] <nikkne> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[02:23] <nikkne> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:23] <nikkne>   xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is to be installed
[02:23] <nikkne>   xutils-dev: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is to be installed
[02:24] <teledyn> nikkne: paste in a pastebin
[02:24] <nikkne> ok.
[02:25] <teledyn> nikkne: maybe remove xutils-dev then reinstall later
[02:26] <teledyn> if its complaining about one file then just delete the damn file
[02:26] <teledyn> or rename it
[02:27] <cheewie> where  dide i find the auto update?
[02:27] <nikkne> teledyn: true, but it complains about X11 bin dir...
[02:27] <teledyn> nikkne: what's in that dir?
[02:27] <nikkne> something is wrong with the package...
[02:28] <nikkne> the dir where are X11 keeps its executables
[02:28] <nikkne> now there is nothing :)
[02:28] <teledyn> nikkne: no crap.  i'm mean, what, exactly , is in it?
[02:28] <swanfl> Jucato, I did that before edgy was released
[02:28] <Jucato> swanfl: I did that yesterday
[02:29] <swanfl> oh :)
[02:29] <Jucato> I just thought I'd do it again, so I could say something when someone asks
[02:29] <Jucato> lol
[02:29] <swanfl> :)
[02:29] <teledyn> nikkne: if the dir is empty then there shouldn't be an upgrade problem. it it complains another package owns the dir then remove the other package temporarily
[02:29] <Jucato> 6 hours upgrading vs 30 minutes fresh install
[02:29] <Schalken> just like to say i am very impressed with kubuntu's new site design!
[02:29] <exhale-> me too
[02:30] <exhale-> is it just me who cant make the konsole background transparent?
[02:30] <GNAM> are there kubuntu dvds?
[02:31] <Jucato> GNAM: being published right now
[02:31] <GNAM> ok
[02:31] <Jucato> exhale-: I can make mine transparent, but I'm on Edgy
[02:31] <twosouls82> I can and am still on dapper
[02:31] <exhale-> Jucato: so am i
[02:31] <exhale-> it just doesnt seem to apply the changes
[02:32] <twosouls82> exhale-: use set as default
[02:32] <nikkne> teledyn: I keep trying, but whatever I do, it complains
[02:32] <exhale-> ah there we go
[02:32] <exhale-> why do you have to restart it?
[02:32] <twosouls82> ;)
[02:32] <twosouls82> you don't
[02:35] <nikkne> ok, another question...
[02:35] <nikkne> where can I find a "list" of all installed packages?
[02:35] <nikkne> I will wipe everything except /etc and reinstall...
[02:35] <nikkne> bloody packages!
[02:36] <pansy> nikkne: try dpkg -l
[02:37] <cpk2> I'm not even going to bother taking this machine to edgy dapper has 3 years and I'm gonna use all 3!
[02:38] <Jucato> cpk2: 3 years of security updates, but not 100% guarantee of upgraded packages :)
[02:38] <cpk2> hehe
[02:38] <cheewie> where  dide i find the auto update?
[02:38] <cpk2> plus i like fiesty fawn better than edgy eft
[02:38] <cpk2> name wise =P
[02:39] <Jucato> lol
[02:41] <cpk2> although I suppose before I dist-upgrade to fiesty fawn I will need to dist-upgrade to edgy eft first
[02:41] <ypsila> moin
[02:42] <robin_> anyone ever try cedega?
[02:43] <cpk2> robin_: sure why?
[02:43] <robin_> just wondering how it works?
[02:43] <cpk2> the same way wine works
[02:44] <cpk2> more or less
[02:44] <robin_> i cant get wine running on ubuntu
[02:44] <cpk2> !work
[02:44] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:44] <cpk2> i find that hard to believe
[02:48] <bakaneko> anyone: i have set my static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, however at random times the interfaces changes and i loose the static ip i set, instead getting an older version of the static ip i set 6 months ago. i would like to know how to fix this problem and what daemon is causign it , any help is appreciated. thanks in advance
[02:48] <gsuveg> re
[02:48] <gsuveg> me dont works the guidance on edgy
[02:48] <B-Minus> hello
[02:49] <B-Minus> whats the apt-get command to to the full upgrade ?
[02:49] <B-Minus> the adept upgrade didnt work
[02:49] <shindmar> hi everybody
[02:49] <cpk2> B-Minus: upgrade and then dist-upgrade
[02:49] <twosouls82> B-Minus: see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[02:49] <twosouls82> Upgrading from 6.06 LTS
[02:49] <B-Minus> i tried the upgrade but it crashed now my system doesnt boot
[02:49] <B-Minus> lol
[02:50] <twosouls82> :\
[02:50] <B-Minus> isnt there a command in aptitude or something to finish the process
[02:50] <twosouls82> any errors?
[02:50] <twosouls82> what stopped?
[02:50] <B-Minus> there are still 50 packages to be installed
[02:50] <twosouls82> can't you restart it?
[02:50] <B-Minus> everything downloaded
[02:50] <shindmar> yesterday i've spoken here about a problem with apt-get update, my kubuntu doesn't update, speaking with someone here (Bonbonjon) and it counseiled me to deactiate ipv6, i've done it, but nothing is changed
[02:50] <cpk2> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:50] <B-Minus> no becuase i did it in adept in kde
[02:50] <cpk2> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:50] <shindmar> help!!!
[02:50] <teledyn> B-Minus: why doesn't it boot?
[02:51] <teledyn> shindmar: what is the problem?
[02:52] <shindmar> Teledyn: connection timeout when i type sudo apt-get update, dns problem i thing
[02:52] <shindmar> think
[02:52] <B-Minus> teledyn: i did the upgrade, it downlaoded all packages, the after 80% install it said there was something wrong with a downloaded file, i couldnt resume, i restarted and now im in shell with 40 packages more needed to install
[02:52] <cpk2> shindmar: more like the servers are overloaded
[02:52] <teledyn> shindmar: look in apt.conf and see if there's a proxy line.  if so, delete it
[02:52] <shindmar> there isn't, already cotrolled yesterday
[02:53] <B-Minus> fuck my whole system is fucked up
[02:53] <teledyn> B-Minus: so run apt-get dist-upgrade from the shell
[02:53] <teledyn> B-Minus: language
[02:54] <teledyn> you'll get booted
[02:54] <B-Minus> yes im trying but it says dpkg needs to be started manually so im doing that
[02:54] <bakaneko> possible solution to: i have set my static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, however at random times the interfaces changes and i loose the static ip i set, instead getting an older version of the static ip i set 6 months ago. i would like to know how to fix this problem and what daemon is causign it , any help is appreciated. thanks in advance.  Solution: sudo chmod -w /etc/network/interfaces
[02:54] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades <--- revised instructions near the bottom
[02:54] <shindmar> helllllllllp!
[02:54] <robin_> is there a program for mounting iso images?
[02:55] <twosouls82> robin_: mount
[02:55] <bakaneko> robin_ mount
[02:55] <teledyn> robin_: mount
[02:55] <bakaneko> XD
[02:55] <Jucato> !iso
[02:55] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[02:55] <twosouls82> :D
[02:55] <teledyn> mount -o loop -t iso9660 ...
[02:55] <Jucato> robin_: ^^^^^
[02:55] <bakaneko> we think alike XD
[02:56] <shindmar> teledyn, nothing to say?
[02:57] <teledyn> shindmar: ?
[02:57] <shindmar> you've asked my if i use a proxy, i told you i don't
[02:57] <shindmar> and then?
[02:58] <teledyn> shindmar: i didn't ask you that.
[02:59] <shindmar> you've asked me if i in apt.conf have a proxy
[02:59] <teledyn> shindmar: i asked if you have a line in there
[02:59] <shindmar> nope
[03:00] <teledyn> maybe try a different mirror?
[03:00] <cpk2> the mirrors are going to all be dying i think
[03:00] <ubuntu_Botan> hi
[03:00] <teledyn> i'm glad i dist-upgraded a few days ago
[03:01] <Jucato> so did I. but I'm going to install again whoopee! :)
[03:01] <ubuntu_Botan> what is difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[03:01] <RawSewage> GNOME and KDE
[03:01] <shindmar> ubuntu botan, only the grafic
[03:01] <angasule> !wine
[03:01] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:01] <teledyn> ubuntu_Botan: install kubuntu-desktop
[03:01] <DaveQB> ubuntu_Botan: Kubuntu uses KDE
[03:01] <ubuntu_Botan> which off them is best to use
[03:01] <RawSewage> Personal preference
[03:01] <DaveQB> ubuntu_Botan: which do you prefer ? KDE or Gnome
[03:01] <DaveQB> >
[03:01] <DaveQB> ?
[03:01] <shindmar> someone can help me? apart of teledyn?
[03:01] <teledyn> ubuntu_Botan: why not try both?
[03:02] <cpk2> shindmar: are you just timing out?
[03:02] <teledyn> shindmar: see if you can wget a package
[03:02] <ubuntu_Botan> I am new to linux
[03:02] <shindmar> i can't
[03:02] <ubuntu_Botan> so i dont now which one is easy to
[03:02] <teledyn> shindmar: but other connections are fine?
[03:03] <cpk2> shindmar: the mirrors are under pretty large load right now...
[03:03] <shindmar> connection goes to timeout and i can't use bittorrent i think for the same problem, and the repository list that i use on another pc works right, i can do everything on the web, but not download packages
[03:04] <teledyn> shindmar: it works on another pc?
[03:04] <ubuntu_Botan> now i have Ubuntu
[03:04] <shindmar> yes
[03:04] <ubuntu_Botan> and it is Gnome right
[03:04] <teledyn> shindmar: sources.list and apt.conf are identical?
[03:05] <jaba_vg> wenas
[03:05] <jaba_vg> tengo
[03:05] <jaba_vg> una duda
[03:05] <shindmar> yes
[03:05] <ubuntu_Botan> Kubuntu have just annon. new version should i download it ?? ad install that instead
[03:06] <teledyn> ubuntu_Botan: sure!
[03:06] <jaba_vg> alguien me puede decir como cambio la resulucion xq voy a pantalla y no me deja mover el chirimbolo para aumentarla
[03:07] <ubuntu_Botan> one more Q how can i see which Version i have
[03:07] <shindmar> teledyn, apt.conf and sources.list are identical on my friend's pc
[03:08] <teledyn> !es
[03:08] <jaba_vg> alguien q able espaol q me ayude???
[03:08] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:09] <jaba_vg> perdon
[03:09] <jaba_vg> alguien me puede ayudar
[03:09] <jaba_vg> ?
[03:09] <shindmar> #kubuntu-it
[03:09] <jaba_vg> alguien me puede ayudar porfavor??????????
[03:09] <shindmar> ho bisogno di aiuto urgentee!!!!
[03:11] <teledyn> jaba_vg: this is an english only channel   use #ubuntu-es  for spanish help
[03:11] <teledyn> shindmar: i don't know.  firewall?
[03:11] <ubuntu_Botan> one more Q how can i see which Version i have
[03:11] <shindmar> i've a router
[03:11] <shindmar> no firewall
[03:11] <shindmar> linked with ethernet
[03:11] <jaba_vg> @ChanServ @ubuntu-es
[03:12] <teledyn> shindmar: your friends system is on the same subnet?
[03:12] <shindmar> i don't know
[03:12] <shindmar> routers are not the same
[03:13] <shindmar> and isp too
[03:13] <cpk2> any apps that can encode from mpg?
[03:13] <teledyn> well its not on the same subnet if its not plugged into the same router
[03:13] <teledyn> are you using ftp sources ?
[03:13] <angasule> I have a windows game that uses several CDs, which I copied to a directory in my harddrive, but when I use winecfg to change D: to point to that directory, it doesn't save the setting (no error is given)
[03:13] <teledyn> angasule: maybe try asking on #wine ?
[03:14] <angasule> ok, just wanted to be sure it wasn't a *buntu bug
[03:16] <d1nn3r_0ut> no kubuntu dvd iso available at this moment?
[03:16] <ubuntu_Botan> please tell me how i can find out which version of Ubuntu i runnin with
[03:16] <gnomefreak> ubuntu_Botan: lsb_release -a
[03:16] <Jucato> d1nn3r_0ut: still being made afaik
[03:16] <d1nn3r_0ut> Jucato,i thought so but just to be sure :)
[03:16] <d1nn3r_0ut> thanks
[03:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[03:18] <cheewie> how do i update may 6,06 version to 6,10+
[03:19] <teledyn> cheewie: /msg ubotu upgrade
[03:20] <BluesKaj> cheewie, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:21] <Kim^J> After you have changed in your sources.list
[03:26] <cheewie> dose it not works like auto update?
[03:26] <Electrolyte> Has anyone had problems upgrading from Dapper to Edgy?
[03:27] <Electrolyte> Since I'm going to update my Dapper to Edgy via apt if it's OK.
[03:28] <kRush> I'm still in the process, hope it works ^^
[03:28] <Electrolyte> Ah, I see the instructions. Time to try it :)
[03:29] <BluesKaj> Kim^J, is correct , make sure you have the Edgy Sources list before upgrading
[03:30] <MidMark> imbrandon: have to change to ->EdgyKnownProblems in the title
[03:30] <Electrolyte> Just updated my sources.
[03:31] <michele_> do you guys know how to set up a dial up network
[03:31] <Kim^J> kxdocker is VERY VERY VERY broke in Edgy...
[03:31] <xsacha> dial up? didnt that die last millenium?
[03:31] <Kim^J> If you're gonna use that...
[03:32] <Kim^J> michele_: I have never heard of that... Dial up? ;)
[03:32] <michele_> its not for me
[03:32] <Electrolyte> Luckily I have 4MB.
[03:32] <michele_> yes dial up
[03:32] <Kim^J> Electrolyte: Soon: 100Mbit.
[03:32] <Kim^J> ;)
[03:32] <Electrolyte> Git :P
[03:32] <Electrolyte> I should be getting 16MB soon :)
[03:32] <Kim^J> michele_: No one knows that anymore... Sorry...
[03:32] <BluesKaj> sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ , then : edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list, then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then: sudo apt-get -f install ,then, :sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:32] <Kim^J> Electrolyte: Hehe...
[03:33] <Electrolyte> 161MB needs to be downloaded.
[03:33] <michele_> thanx
[03:33] <Electrolyte> Shouldn't take long.
[03:33] <Kim^J> Hehe
[03:33] <Kim^J> I think I wanna move in with the Swedish Ubuntu server... :D
[03:33] <Kim^J> 1Gb speed. :D
[03:33] <cheewie> trevligt
[03:33] <Electrolyte> 115kb/s, server must be being hit :P
[03:34] <Kim^J> cheewie: Yup... You swede to?
[03:35] <RawSewage> 115 kBs is fast for now
[03:35] <Electrolyte> Ohhh, update for fglrx \o/
[03:35] <RawSewage> You do know Edgy just came out, right
[03:35] <Electrolyte> I'm updating now :P
[03:35] <RawSewage> only 161mb?
[03:35] <Electrolyte> Yup.
[03:35] <RawSewage> Most people that upgrade need over 1 gb
[03:35] <Electrolyte> I already have KDE 3.5.5.
[03:36] <RawSewage> oh
[03:36] <RawSewage> were you using Edgy beta
[03:36] <Electrolyte> Nope.
[03:36] <Electrolyte> Dapper.
[03:36] <RawSewage> weird
[03:36] <Kim^J> I have been using Edgy for a while now... :D
[03:36] <RawSewage> only 161 mb for a total upgrade.  that doesnt sound right
[03:36] <Electrolyte> I'm looking foward to KDE 4, with the new sound system.
[03:37] <Kim^J> Maybe I shall upgrade to the other now...
[03:37] <Electrolyte> RawSewage: It was 800MB space.
[03:37] <Electrolyte> 161MB download.
[03:37] <Kim^J> Electrolyte: A new one?
[03:37] <RawSewage> oh
[03:37] <Electrolyte> Kim^J: Yup
[03:37] <Kim^J> Cool.
[03:37] <exhale-> how do i ad a weather applet to KDE?
[03:37] <nikko> hi
[03:37] <Kim^J> KDE4 will be on Windows too! :D
[03:37] <BluesKaj> when will kDE4 be available ?
[03:37] <RawSewage> exhale-, with Super Karamba
[03:37] <Jucato> it's not  a new sound system. but a multimedia API that can use different back-ends
[03:37] <Electrolyte> I think it allows you do choose ANY sound system for the entire machine.
[03:37] <Jucato> Kim^J: not true
[03:37] <Kim^J> Soon hopefully! :D
[03:37] <Kim^J> Jucato: Don't you google?!
[03:37] <Electrolyte> KDE on Windows?
[03:38] <Electrolyte> They don't deserve it.
[03:38] <ubuntu_Botan> me to
[03:38] <ubuntu_Botan> i am runing Upgrade now
[03:38] <ubuntu_Botan> Cooll
[03:38] <Jucato> Kim^J: it doesn't mean that KDE 4 will be on Windows. it just means that it will be possible to port KDE 4 apps to win32 because of Qt4
[03:38] <nikko> how can see my kubuntu verison?
[03:38] <RawSewage> exhale-, or did you mean a weather thing for the taskbar
[03:38] <exhale-> yes :)
[03:38] <Jucato> nikko: "lsb_release -a" in Konsole
[03:38] <RawSewage> idk
[03:38] <nikko> thanks Jucato
[03:39] <Kim^J> Jucato: Last time I checked there where many thing ported from KDE4.
[03:39] <ubuntu_Botan> Hey guys thx for you helps
[03:39] <Jucato> Kim^J: ported to KDE4? really? so you mean that they're porting KDE 4 stuff to win32 now, even while KDE 4 itself isn't even fully built?
[03:40] <Jucato> s/ported to KDE4/ported to win32
[03:40] <Kim^J> Wait I'll google the thing...
[03:40] <Jucato> Kim^J: btw, I do more than Google. I subscribe :)
[03:40] <xsacha> anyone here know how to use 'hexer'?
[03:41] <Jucato> I also talk with people
[03:41] <xsacha> im having trouble deleting stuff.. backspace and DEL dont work?
[03:41] <Kim^J> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE4+Windows+Port
[03:41] <teledyn> xsacha: ctrl-h  ?
[03:41] <Kim^J> there
[03:41] <xsacha> nup, ctrl+h not working either :(
[03:41] <zzz> Try "x"
[03:41] <xsacha> thanks
[03:41] <zzz> It has an interface similar to Vi
[03:42] <zzz> So Vi commands should work.
[03:42] <zzz> "x" is delete in Vi
[03:42] <xsacha> yeah but i dont use that :P
[03:42] <xsacha> backspace :P
[03:42] <xsacha> or del
[03:42] <Kim^J> Jucato: Looks like most of the KDE4 suite is being ported... :D
[03:42] <zzz> You don't use what?
[03:42] <xsacha> 'x'
[03:42] <xsacha> and i use vim
[03:43] <zzz> Well, you might use dl or dw in Vim
[03:43] <xsacha> yeah
[03:43] <zzz> "x" is a single key stroke so I use that.
[03:43] <xsacha> and 'dd' or 'cc', but it's different with hex :S
[03:44] <dark_anakin> salve
[03:44] <zzz> Sorry, all I know about hexer is its description given with: apt-cache search hexer
[03:44] <Jucato> Kim^J: it's just a side-project by some KDE people. it's not a main concern, and not a KDE 4 goal. Also, not all KDE devs even want this.
[03:45] <Kim^J> Jucato: I didn't say that it was main.
[03:45] <Kim^J> Well... I don't really want KDE on Windows either.
[03:45] <xsacha> no keypress for deleting while in insert mode?
[03:45] <Electrolyte[V2] > What the heck?
[03:45] <Electrolyte[V2] > Kubuntu thought it would be funny to cut off my network card.
[03:45] <Electrolyte[V2] > It just went completely dead.
[03:46] <zzz> No no, I mean in visual mode (If I recall correctly.)
[03:46] <xsacha> yeah but is there one for insert mode? (that's where i like delete key)
[03:46] <exhale-> i cant seem to get liquid weather installed on superkaramba :/
[03:46] <zzz> I don't think so. I am not a Vim expert; just a regular user.
[03:47] <xsacha> :( 'dw' and 'dd' just skip word too, dont delete.. it's weird, not the same as vim
[03:47] <alexicon> if i want to use a different partition for home dir do i only have to change fstab?? or is there another file
[03:47] <Hawkwind> xsacha: http://www.jess2.net/doc/vicmd.png
[03:47] <xsacha> but x is ok :) can deal with it :)
[03:47] <Hawkwind> xsacha: Print it and hang it on your computer desk :)
[03:48] <xsacha> yeah hawkwind, they dont work in this
[03:48] <berkes> does anyone have a clean sources.list for edgy for me?
[03:48] <xsacha> dw is just skipping word instead of delete :(
[03:48] <Electrolyte> Any ideas why Kubuntu would cut off all network traffic?
[03:48] <Electrolyte> Firewall perhaps?
[03:49] <BluesKaj> Ok , will someone explain what QT4 is ?
[03:49] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: The next version of QT after QT3 :P
[03:49] <exhale-> is there a release date set for kde4?
[03:50] <BluesKaj> prolly beyond my understanding , anyway :) ...geez Hawkwind , thx , that expalins it all :)
[03:50] <Hawkwind> exhale-: Not any time soon
[03:50] <exhale-> :(
[03:50] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Hah, glad to help :)
[03:50] <xsacha> dw skips word, dd does nothing, D does nothing, X does nothing, xp fails, backspace does nothing, del does nothing -- only x works if you get what i mean Hawkwind
[03:50] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It's literally the next version of QT.  It's got much cleaner and faster code to allow KDE to do much more than it does currently
[03:51] <BluesKaj> berkes, just : edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:51] <BluesKaj> Coolness , Hawkwind ...sounds good
[03:51] <berkes> BluesKaj: what?
[03:51] <berkes> msg edgy
[03:51] <BluesKaj> copy and paste that command into the terminal , berk
[03:52] <BluesKaj> berkes,
[03:52] <berkes> BluesKaj: it fails, I run dapper, but a battered up dapper
[03:52] <Hawkwind> berkes: You're wanting to upgrade to Edgy ?
[03:52] <Electrolyte> Approx 1 hour 17 minutes to update :>
[03:52] <BluesKaj> ok,  sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ ,...run that first
[03:52] <Electrolyte> That's just downloading though.
[03:52] <berkes> BluesKaj: I want to upgrade and to do so I want a clean sources.list
[03:52] <berkes> Hawkwind:  [
[03:53] <berkes> eeu ^^
[03:53] <Hawkwind> berkes: Hold on!  I'll get a great how-to that will help you upgrade
[03:53] <Skrot> !ipod
[03:53] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[03:53] <berkes> Hawkwind: I don't need a howto.
[03:53] <berkes> I want a clean sources.list :)
[03:54] <berkes> just the vanilla one, so that I can make a clean start.
[03:54] <berkes> the sources.list generator is not yet updated so it only generates up to dapper.
[03:54] <Hawkwind> berkes: That won't work for an upgrade though
[03:54] <exhale-> Jucato: where and how do i get kweather?
[03:55] <Hawkwind> berkes: You're running Dapper or Edgy right now ?
[03:55] <Jucato> exhale-: from the repositories
[03:55] <berkes> Hawkwind: no I run a battered up dapper. And I want to move to edgy
[03:55] <exhale-> awesome. thanks Jucato
[03:55] <berkes> simplest way to do so is to s/dapper/edgy/
[03:56] <Hawkwind> berkes: Then hold on.  I'll give you the how-to so it will do it with very little issue
[03:56] <Hawkwind> berkes: No it's not.  That will break tons of things
[03:56] <berkes> but I'd rather start off with a clean sources.list
[03:56] <Jucato> exhale-: kweather sits in the panel, and can also be shown in Kontact Summary View
[03:56] <berkes> Hawkwind: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php :
[03:56] <berkes>  Change all instances of dapper to edgy 
[03:57] <Hawkwind> berkes: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[03:57] <Hawkwind> berkes: If you change all dapper to edgy you will break tons of things.  Please read that URL I just gave you and follow it to save yourself tons of issues
[03:57] <teledyn> here's a one-line upgrade: perl -pi -e 's/dapper/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:58] <berkes> Hawkwind: sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:58] <berkes> there, it does the same.
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Not quite
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind , what about ? .. sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/
[03:58] <berkes> I /don't/ want to simply replace dapper with edgy.
[03:58] <Hawkwind> You need to follow *everything* on that how-to I posted
[03:58] <exhale-> Jucato: i cant select a weatherstation, from the dropdown list its all empty
[03:58] <berkes> I want a ****ing new clean sources.list.
[03:58] <Electrolyte> [WWW]  #30447 Using fglrx or ati drivers may cause KDM/xorg to freeze on logout or reboot <-- Hmm, that's in Dapper as well.
[03:59] <Electrolyte> I was always wondering what caused me to lockup when I logged out.
[03:59] <ohmbr> hi
[03:59] <teledyn> here's a one-line upgrade: sudo perl -pi -e 's/dapper/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:59] <berkes> sigh....
[03:59] <nikko> I would like to ask which is the difference between edgy and dapper ?
[03:59] <Hawkwind> teledyn: And that will break the system in many ways
[03:59] <berkes> I DONT want to just replace dapper w. edgy. That breaks. My sources.list is old. crufty. batterd.
[03:59] <ohmbr> all my usbs ports disappeared... on /dev
[04:00] <Hawkwind> nikko: Dapper is 6.06 Long Time Support and Edgy is the newest version which just got released today
[04:00] <ohmbr> what can i do?
[04:00] <berkes> I would prefer to start with a clean sources.list :)
[04:00] <Hawkwind> !sourceomatic
[04:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:00] <Hawkwind> berkes: ^^^^^^^^^^
[04:00] <teledyn> Hawkwind: that is the recommended way and won't break the system
[04:00] <Hawkwind> Go create one and change Dapper to Edgy
[04:00] <Hawkwind> teledyn: No it's not actually
[04:00] <robin_> what do i need installed to run the following command? ./install.sh
[04:00] <nikko> Hawkwind: are just codemanes.
[04:00] <berkes> Hawkwind: did that. It gives me a lot of 404s
[04:00] <teledyn> Hawkwind: care to explain what will break?
[04:00] <Hawkwind> teledyn: Read the URL I posted above.  The method has been tested by many of the developers
[04:00] <nikko> Hawkwind: are just codenames.
[04:01] <Jucato> more directy link probably: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[04:01] <Hawkwind> teledyn: The init system has been completely redone, so upgrading doesn't go as smooth as it should
[04:01] <Hawkwind> Ughhhhhhhhh
[04:01] <Hawkwind> No!
[04:01] <Jucato> not that?
[04:01] <Hawkwind> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[04:01] <Hawkwind> That was written by fdoving specifically for an upgrade from Dapper to Edgy for Kubuntu
[04:01] <Jucato> Hawkwind: that EdgyUpgrades page has been edited
[04:02] <teledyn> Hawkwind: ah there's a few that must be manually installed
[04:02] <Jucato> aah
[04:02] <teledyn> i see
[04:02] <berkes> but there aint no place to grab a clean, default sources.list?
[04:03] <vany> hi guys
[04:03] <Hawkwind> berkes: I just did the source-o-matic way and changed Dapper to Edgy without any issues
[04:03] <nikon> source-o-matic way??
[04:03] <berkes> Hawkwind: weird because it gave me at least 3 404s
[04:03] <teledyn> berkes: you're tripping out
[04:04] <Jucato> exhale-: err sorry can't help you there. don't know how kweather works. long time since I used it
[04:04] <berkes> teledyn: I am what?
[04:05] <teledyn> Hawkwind: hmm i didn't have any issues with kde-guidance nor xorg stuff when i dist-upgraded
[04:05] <Electrolyte> The only thing I know I'm bound to have a problem with is fglrx.
[04:05] <teledyn> berkes: you're tripping out for no reason.  just edit the file or manually create one.
[04:05] <Electrolyte> But I know how to fix that.
[04:06] <berkes> teledyn: I am not tripping out. I am just flabbergasted that people spend lots of time trying to help me with help I don't need, but no-one answers me with what I /do/ need.
[04:06] <teledyn> berkes: because its a damn file with like 4 or 5 lines in it
[04:07] <teledyn> you want me to pastebin mine?
[04:07] <teledyn> just join #flood
[04:07] <berkes> teledyn: I got one from an ubuntu CD. I am fine now. thanks
[04:07] <Hawkwind> berkes: We did answer you.  Change Dapper to Edgy after getting a new list from source-o-matic
[04:08] <teledyn> what is "clean"?  if it has an extra space in it or something?
[04:08] <berkes> Hawkwind: weird thing is, that I came here, because I did that. I assume it broke because I added 'latest koffice and latest amarok' to it as well.
[04:09] <zzz> Does anybody have a problem with KMail forwarding empty e-mails?
[04:09] <Hawkwind> berkes: Try without those and see
[04:09] <xsacha> berkes: you just wanted a default source.list? could have asked anyone for one :P most people have a default one, or just two entries at bottom on top
[04:09] <xsacha> or*
[04:09] <jende> howdy
[04:09] <jende> has any of
[04:09] <jarle> Any reason that the nvidia drivers from http://www.albertomilone.com/driver.html shouldn't work after upgrading to edgy?
[04:09] <zzz> In KMail, when I try to forward an e-mail, if I do not modify the text, an empty e-mail is sent.
[04:09] <teledyn> i put a comment line in my sources.list.  is it now "defiled"?  must i get a clean one?
[04:09] <jarle> (just trying to think ahead)
[04:10] <jende> has anyone of you figured any problems re the assistant in OOo ?
[04:10] <xsacha> yes teledyn, your list is now corrupted ;) you must d/l the cd again and extract a new list
[04:10] <Hawkwind> jarle: Realize those are 3rd party and are not supported in any way.  They could or could not break anything
[04:10] <teledyn> lmao
[04:10] <berkes> teledyn: clean is /not/ this: http://pastie.caboo.se/19674 :)
[04:10] <teledyn> xsacha: no i better reformat and re-install
[04:11] <kRush> d'oh, bunch of errors while dist upgrading =/
[04:11] <Electrolyte> 23% so far with no error.
[04:11] <berkes> teledyn: can you now imagine why i would like a new one? start clean from scratch?
[04:11] <Electrolyte> That's just downloading though.
[04:11] <jarle> Hawkwind: it's just a bit easier thatn having to recompile driver after each kernel update..
[04:11] <xsacha> that list looks fine? there's 6 things in it
[04:11] <teledyn> berkes: 95% of that is commented out
[04:12] <berkes> teledyn: yea, I know, because I commented that out.
[04:12] <Hawkwind> jarle: Totally up to you if you use them or not.  If they work for ya, great.  But do be prepared for them not to
[04:13] <jarle> Hawkwind: sure, THEN I'll have to go back to compiling...
[04:13] <berkes> but still, Do I not have the freedom to choose whether or not I upgrade to a new version with a clean config? :)
[04:13] <jende_> Jucato: are you awake
[04:13] <jende_> Jucato: are you awake?
[04:13] <Jucato> jende_: yep :)
[04:13] <Jucato> very much awake
[04:13] <kRush> time to reboot
[04:14] <teledyn> berkes: i think its the use of the word clean that is tripping us out
[04:14] <teledyn> it somehow implies there's something wrong with the other lines/comments
[04:14] <Zoohouse> Some one know how to unlock the packaging system so that I can use adapt? reboot didn't work.
[04:14] <teledyn> all that matters is to have the essential lines for main, universe, etc
[04:15] <berkes> teledyn: well, all I wanted was something that brought me back to the 'official' sources.list? is that better? 'official' instead of 'clean"?
[04:15] <Hawkwind> !adept crash fix
[04:15] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:15] <Hawkwind> Zoohouse: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[04:15] <teledyn> berkes: we could paste the lines for you...
[04:15] <Zoohouse> thanks Hawkwind
[04:15] <berkes> teledyn: I already got one from a friend who just downloaded ubuntu edgy iso.
[04:15] <berkes> :)
[04:16] <berkes> its running fine in the background, getting all the packages onto my proxy;
[04:16] <teledyn> wow the torrent d/l rate has jumped way up finally
[04:17] <Lamington> hello all
[04:17] <berkes> are there any counters running on the mirrors, calculating the amout of upgrades / downloads done?
[04:17] <teledyn> berkes: i don't know  - i'm getting the torrent and see 20 peers, 6 seeds
[04:19] <GNAM> ehilla'
[04:19] <GNAM> happy edgy at all
[04:19] <Mythbusters>  thank GNAM
[04:19] <Lamington> I'm not having much luck with torrents
[04:20] <GNAM> +
[04:20] <GNAM> ops
[04:20] <Zoohouse> ahh stupid VMware-plater wont let me accept the stupid license (cant click ok) and it I can't upgrade with out it getting in the way....
[04:22] <kRush> hm 23 packages that won't upgrade
[04:22] <Lamington> too many leechers on torrents
[04:24] <Lamington> doesn't look like I'll get edgy tonight
[04:26] <rhodri> hi. i just tried upgrading to edgy but it failed on the xserver bit.  is there a way i can roll back to dapper or am i basically screwed now?
[04:28] <t0taln00b> hi all :)
[04:28] <jende_> LjL: would you mind confirming a bug in OOo? At least on all my boxes here OOo crashes after a simple action and now I need someone to confirm that behaviour!
[04:29] <t0taln00b> heh it's so much pleasure that kubuntu edgy finally released :)
[04:30] <LjL> jende_: i never use OO, but describe the behavior, and i'll look... although, my Edgy is not yet updated to the final - which is because i currently cannot access the repositories... ;-)
[04:30] <Lamington> need more bittorrent seeders
[04:30] <jende_> LjL: it crashes just in the final
[04:31] <jende_> LjL: in 2.0.4 released on the 16th of Oct
[04:32] <LjL> jende_: well, i soon as i manage to get an apt-get update to succeed...
[04:32] <Dasnipa`> 15% upgraded yeah baby
[04:32] <Lamington> lol
[04:33] <exhale-> is it normal to get such errors as theese in the console?: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[04:33] <jende_> LjL: what happens is: Import in a document (OOoWriter) a picture and even if I'm not doing anything OOoWriter crashes after like 2-3mins
[04:33] <trappist> !baddevice
[04:33] <ubotu> baddevice is If you are getting errors similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168  Then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[04:33] <Dasnipa`> sounds like a memory leak
[04:33] <trappist> oh he's gone
[04:34] <Jucato> too late :)
[04:34] <LjL> jende_: what image formats did you try?
[04:34] <franzmax> just burned (and verified) a new edgy alternate i386 CD.  But I'm not sure what i should do for upgrading my dapper. any hints?
[04:35] <jende_> LjL: png,jpg,bmp,cdr...basically all
[04:35] <Lamington> I'm being a good boy and using ktorrent
[04:35] <Lamington> but I only got one peer
[04:36] <GnarusLeo> hi, I have successfully installed new wireless drivers for my ISL3886 card using ndiswrapper. I have now a eth1 wich "dhclient eth1" gives me a IP! But I cant ping anything ... not even the gateway. What could possibly be wrong?
[04:36] <teledyn> jende_: i imported an image and the picture dialog froze
[04:36] <LjL> jende_: 2.0.4-0ubuntu2 <- is this the version?
[04:36] <teledyn> jende_: i had to xkill OO
[04:36] <livingdaylight> THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!
[04:36] <Electrolyte> 42% downloaded.
[04:36] <jende_> teledyn: okay, whom use will release a bugreport?
[04:36] <Electrolyte> I just hope the actual ugprade goes smoothly.
[04:37] <teledyn> 2.0.4-0ubuntu2
[04:37] <Dasnipa`> Electrolyte, they always have for me
[04:37] <teledyn> jende_: what?
[04:37] <Electrolyte> Ok :)
[04:37] <jende_> LjL: on oct.16th they had an upgrade and just since OOo behvaes like that. the version from Oct3rd isn't affected AFAIK
[04:37] <Dasnipa`> Electrolyte, this system has gone from warty to hoary to dapper and now to edgy
[04:37] <jende_> teledyn: okay, whom of us will release a bugreport?
[04:37] <franzmax> how do i use an edgy CD just downloaded and burnt to upgrade from dapper?
[04:37] <Electrolyte> :o
[04:37] <teledyn> jende_: go for it
[04:38] <Electrolyte> This will be the first update I would have ever done for Linux.
[04:38] <teledyn> jende_: i found another bug with envelope printing
[04:38] <Electrolyte> So yeah, I really don't want it to break :P
[04:38] <lupine_85> franzmax: unless it's the alternate install CD, you don't
[04:38] <Dasnipa`> franzmax, see the topic
[04:38] <franzmax> it's the alternate lupine_85 !
[04:38] <LjL> jende_, teledyn: well, i definitely upgraded after 16th -- i've tried inserting an xpm bitmap (first picture i could find) using Insert / Picture / From file, and for the moment OO is still running
[04:38] <lupine_85> just apt-cdrom then
[04:38] <franzmax> i read it was the one recommended for that purpose
[04:38] <teledyn> does anyone know if you can just mail submit@bugs.ubuntu.org just like debian?
[04:39] <jende_> LjL: let it run for like 2 or 3mins
[04:39] <lupine_85> that adds the packages on the CD to your apt database and you can go from there
[04:39] <Jucato> teledyn: I don't think so
[04:39] <Jucato> teledyn: you need to subscribe to Launchpad.net to be able to file bugs
[04:39] <jende_> teledyn: there is a launchpad for it
[04:39] <franzmax> just that lupine_85 ?   as root with sudo ?
[04:39] <haffe> Hello. I'm having some trouble (Kubuntu 6.10). When I try to print I get the error /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed.
[04:39] <LjL> jende_: already let it run for more than that... also, looking at the output from ps, writer is taking up a lot of memory (*so* surprising), but the amount isn't increasing
[04:39] <LjL> i'll try inserting a bigger image in jpg
[04:39] <GnarusLeo> hi, I have successfully installed new wireless drivers for my ISL3886 card using ndiswrapper. I have now a eth1 wich "dhclient eth1" gives me a IP! But I cant ping anything ... not even the gateway. What could possibly be wrong?
[04:40] <Jucato> I can't make OO.o crash here... :(
[04:40] <jende_> LjL: before I'll file the bug I'll give it another go, too
[04:40] <nnb> still no upgrade icon on my kbuntu...
[04:40] <teledyn> i imported a large jpg file and it froze when i opened the image dialog
[04:40] <exhale-> kubuntu comes with AIGLX right?
[04:41] <yokobr> hi folks
[04:41] <yokobr> hey
[04:41] <Electrolyte> exhale-: Not that I know of.
[04:41] <yokobr> im getting this error msg
[04:41] <LjL> jende_: ljl.byethost14.com/fakegnome.png <- try inserting this image, since i'm trying the same right now
[04:41] <Jucato> exhale-: enabled in xorg.conf, but compiz not installed by default
[04:41] <exhale-> Jucato: nice, so i just need to install compiz/beryl ?
[04:41] <Electrolyte> Jucato: Won't that cause problems for ATI users
[04:42] <Electrolyte> ?
[04:42] <yokobr> Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel.
[04:42] <Jucato> exhale-: probably. I'm not entirely sure.
[04:42] <LjL> jende_: also, are you inserting into a new document, or an opened document?
[04:42] <yokobr> Argument "gcc (GCC) 4" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=) at /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl line 1493, <STDIN> line 24.
[04:42] <jende_> LjL: into a new one
[04:42] <yokobr> ??
[04:42] <yokobr> im getting this error msg
[04:42] <yokobr> Argument "gcc (GCC) 4" isn't numeric in numeric ge (>=) at /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl line 1493, <STDIN> line 24.
[04:42] <lupine_85> franz: sudo apt-cdrom add [/path/to/cd/drive]  IIRC
[04:43] <LjL> jende_: ok, me too
[04:43] <exhale-> well i installed compiz, what do i need to do now?
[04:43] <yokobr> hey
[04:43] <teledyn> yokobr: what kernel?
[04:43] <pussfeller> where does the flash plugin go for konq
[04:44] <yokobr> i dunno
[04:44] <exhale-> yokobr: uname -r in konsole
[04:44] <yokobr> 2.6.15-23-386
[04:45] <LjL> jende_: still not crashing so far for me
[04:45] <teledyn> yokobr: it installed fine for me with that kernel
[04:46] <nickv111> How would one go about upgrading from Dapper to Edgy?
[04:46] <yokobr> well....strange...may be in another path?
[04:46] <jende_> LjL: *crashed* just now
[04:46] <nickv111> Is Edgy still unstable?
[04:46] <jende_> nickv111: nope
[04:46] <Dasnipa`> nickv111, nope it is officially released
[04:46] <LjL> !edgy | nickv111
[04:46] <ubotu> nickv111: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:46] <nickv111> Mmkay.
[04:47] <nickv111> LjL: Thanks.
[04:47] <GnarusLeo> Never mind!
[04:47] <Zoohouse> How do I upgrade Kubuntu? Do I do it via upgrade-manager just like ubuntu?
[04:47] <Electrolyte> Is AIGLX more stable than XGL?
[04:48] <solemnwarning> Can I upgrade a kubuntu machine to 6.10 using apt?
[04:48] <teledyn> yokobr: for the 2.6.17 kernel i needed to apply the vmware any any patch
[04:48] <Dasnipa`> !edgy | solemnwarning
[04:48] <ubotu> solemnwarning: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:49] <jende_> LjL: on some machines, as it seems to be, it crashes on some not.Worth a bugreport or not?
[04:49] <twenty2sixty> hi! I figure you are all quite busy fixing edgy-upgrade-problems, but I've got a short question non the less... I just switched from Thunderbird+Sunbird to Kontact+KMail. The problem I encountered is that KMail does not safe passwords within KWallet as I told it to... each time it starts it asks me to manually type in all passwords - which is (to say the least) annoying... Any help on this one?
[04:49] <teledyn> jende_: this time it didn't crash for me.
[04:49] <teledyn> jende_: maybe run strace on the box it crashed on
[04:49] <LjL> jende_: imho not, until we find out what makes it crash...
[04:50] <jende_> teledyn: kinda weird
[04:50] <twosouls82> Houston we've got Edgy
[04:51] <twosouls82> thanks Ubuntu team
[04:51] <nickv111> My apt-get update is stuck at 99% [Waiting for headers] 
[04:51] <twosouls82> niceDay: It will resume
[04:51] <twosouls82> ;)
[04:51] <nickv111> Is this just because the server has a lot of people doing apt-get updates?
[04:51] <twosouls82> had that a couple of times myself
[04:51] <twosouls82> yup
[04:51] <twosouls82> we should have taken another mirror
[04:51] <twosouls82> :)
[04:51] <nickv111> ;)
[04:53] <psb154> BBC World Service > Digital Planet   has a realaudio program talking about Ubuntu and Open Source this week. Not spamming just thought you might be interested.
[04:54] <B-Minus> hello
[04:55] <B-Minus> im trying to install kubuntu 6.10 but at the install it says fsck 1.39 [ok]  and then it stops
[04:55] <B-Minus> its doing nothing after that
[04:55] <B-Minus> :(
[04:55] <B-Minus> with dapper i didnt have this prob
[04:56] <Lamington|away> hmm
[04:56] <nickv111> Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (146.137.96.15), connection timed out
[04:56] <nickv111> That's the error I'm getting now.
[04:56] <lupine_85> try another mirror?
[04:56] <nickv111> That's a good idea.
[04:56] <Lamington|away> use torrents
[04:56] <teledyn> i wonder what the d/l stats are for the mirrors?
[04:57] <B-Minus> is there something i can try ?
[04:57] <LjL> teledyn: my "stats" are called "Connection timed out" ;-)
[04:57] <teledyn> hehe
[04:57] <lupine_85> B-Minus: try the alternate install CD
[04:57] <lupine_85> or install dapper and do an update
[04:58] <lupine_85> either will probably work
[04:58] <teledyn> my stats are 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.  :-)
[04:58] <B-Minus> can i do a network install ?
[04:58] <B-Minus> so it goes over the internet ?
[04:58] <LjL> teledyn: maybe mine would be the same, if i could get an apt-get update to succeed ;-)
[04:58] <LjL> !netinstall | B-Minus
[04:58] <ubotu> B-Minus: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:58] <jende_> !pas
[04:58] <jende_> !paste
[04:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:59] <teledyn> LjL: i was smart and upgraded a few nights ago
[04:59] <jarle> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php has info about network install
[04:59] <soundmaster80> I'm sure this has been asked many times but if i'm running the beta now, do i need to change anything to update to main version?
[05:00] <Zoohouse> I think I screw up my source list... Where can I find a defult sourcelist?
[05:00] <LjL> teledyn: oh, i did that too for that matter. i update almost daily... actually, perhaps twice a day ;-) but i just don't know if i'd get any new packages. probably not.
[05:01] <Jucato> soundmaster80: just upgrade and you'll be ok
[05:01] <teledyn> Zoohouse: /msg ubotu easysource
[05:02] <teledyn> LjL: i haven't tried to get any new ones in a few hours
[05:02] <soundmaster80> ok, so the default sources.list doesn't change from beta to stable ?
[05:02] <Zoohouse> teledyn: i didn't get anything
[05:03] <Jucato> soundmaster80: no
[05:03] <Jucato> there's no edgy-beta.. just edgy :)
[05:03] <teledyn> !easysource
[05:03] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:03] <soundmaster80> great, thank you :-)
[05:04] <Zoohouse> teledyn: I don't have to tell easysource that I am using Kubuntu?
[05:05] <lupine_85> nope
[05:05] <lupine_85> they use the same repos
[05:05] <Zoohouse> k
[05:05] <Zoohouse> 6.06 is dapper right?
[05:05] <Lamington|away> yes
[05:06] <Lamington|away> 6.10 is edgy
[05:07] <Lamington|away> woo
[05:08] <Zoohouse> tx
[05:08] <Tm_T> Lamington|away: Long wait there. ;)
[05:08] <Lamington|away> Its getting there
[05:09] <RawSewage> I'm on a fresh Edgy install now
[05:09] <jende_> who knows a pastebinserver on which you can upload pics?
[05:09] <Lamington|away> RawSewage: hows it going
[05:09] <RawSewage> good
[05:09] <Qaldune> jende imageshack.us
[05:09] <Lamington|away> cool
[05:10] <Blacken> So how goes the Edginess?
[05:10] <psb154> RawSewage, what version of KDE does it run?
[05:10] <jamie_> hi all i'm looking for somewhere to download xgl for kubuntu
[05:10] <RawSewage> I dont know
[05:10] <Lamington|away> Does XGL work with Edgy ?
[05:10] <jamie_> donno
[05:10] <RawSewage> I havent tried yet
[05:10] <jamie_> :|
[05:10] <Lamington|away> KDE 3.5.5 isn't it ?
[05:11] <jamie_> all i know novell is sellin it but i don't want to buy it :(
[05:11] <RawSewage> I dont know
[05:11] <andriijas> i just upgraded to edgy, now i have a lots of packages thats kept back from being upgraded with apt-get dist-upgrade. what to do?
[05:11] <RawSewage> Python packages?
[05:11] <alexicon> if i want to change where my home mounts to, will my mtab automatically update after i change the fstab and reboot?
[05:12] <andriijas> RawSewage: yes sir
[05:12] <Blacken> andriijas: Don't worry about them; everyone has them.
[05:12] <andriijas> RawSewage: amd checkinstall
[05:12] <andriijas> and
[05:12] <andriijas> and mplayer
[05:12] <RawSewage> I got rid of all that by doing a fresh install
[05:12] <andriijas> Blacken: okey, im not worried, just interested
[05:12] <RawSewage> I have a nice clean system now
[05:12] <andriijas> lol =D
[05:13] <andriijas> i dont have the energy to do that
[05:13] <Electrolyte> If this fails I'll be doing a fresh install too.
[05:13] <ubuntu__> Hi there :)
[05:14] <ubuntu__> Currently installing Kubuntu 6.10 - works like a charm.. :D
[05:14] <Zoohouse> What happens if im upgrading to edgy via apt and my pc shuts off?
[05:14] <andriijas> lol
[05:14] <andriijas> :D
[05:15] <andriijas> i would recommend anyone upgrading via apt to drop out to console mode
[05:15] <andriijas> shutdown kde
[05:15] <Lynoure> Zoohouse: backups before upgrading are recommended, too
[05:15] <Zoohouse> why?
[05:15] <Electrolyte> andriijas: I'm going to once it's downloaded.
[05:15] <Zoohouse> ouch :(
[05:15] <Blacken> andriijas: Unnecessary. It makes for some interesting giggles when software starts updating.
[05:15] <Electrolyte> Or when it gets near to 99%.
[05:15] <Blacken> Worked just fine for me, though.
[05:15] <lainproliant> hello :)
[05:15] <andriijas> at least start the updating in a screen
[05:15] <andriijas> ;D
[05:15] <Lynoure> Zoohouse: because it is a big change, and because backups are a really good idea :)
[05:16] <lainproliant> does anyone know how to either in KDevelop remove matching braces/parenthesis or change their appearance?
[05:16] <lainproliant> i am using Kate as my editor
[05:16] <Electrolyte> All my files are on another drive any way.
[05:16] <B-Minus> hello my upgrade failed completely, it aborted at 44 packages to upgrade
[05:16] <Electrolyte> Kubuntu is on a seperate drive - I don't store personal stuff on that drive.
[05:17] <B-Minus> it says 0 newly installed, 42 not upgraded
[05:17] <B-Minus> how can i make it upgrade ?
[05:17] <B-Minus> if i do apt-get dist-upgrade it doesnt give an error but it doesnt upgrade the 42 left :(
[05:17] <alexicon> anyone know about changing mount points? ust need to know if the mtab will automatically update with an fstab change
[05:19] <RawSewage> This time, Im keeping a text file of all changes I make to the system
[05:19] <alexicon> thats a good idea
[05:19] <Jucato> RawSewage: good luck :)
[05:19] <RawSewage> ty
[05:19] <Jucato> tried that... went crazy after some time :)
[05:20] <alexicon> heh
[05:20] <alexicon> maybe when making major changes
[05:20] <alexicon> maybe when making major changesfrom a working state :P
[05:20] <Jucato> keeping tabs on what I install, heh... not so easy as I thought :)
[05:21] <alexicon> there must be a file that lists all the packages you have installed at any point
[05:21] <alexicon> can take snapshots
[05:21] <Jucato> dpkg.log, but it's not that easy to decipher
[05:22] <alexicon> hrm
[05:22] <constantine-xvi> can anyone explain why my battery monitor is busted?
[05:22] <Jucato> aptitude and synaptic keep their own type of logs. but the problem is when you don't remain consistent and switch between apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, adept, and kpackage
[05:23] <Wiegand> Hi everybody! Is there already a workaround for the "no root filesystem" bug during edgy install?
[05:23] <ricanelite> Hello!!! what is the command for Kubuntu in the terminal to fix my screen resolution
[05:23] <LjL> !fixres | ricanelite
[05:24] <ubotu> ricanelite: x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:24] <LjL> ricanelite: i think you're thinking of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:24] <Wiegand> (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/68035 is the bug I'm experiencing, I guess)
[05:24] <constantine-xvi> if I set up a system guard applet to show ACPI status, I get a working battery monitor, but the one in the system tray doesn't work, both in kde and gnome
[05:25] <constantine-xvi> anyone know what's wrong?
[05:25] <Wiegand> It completely prevents edgy from being installed
[05:25] <foodcoman> Riddell: Excellent  work Mate!
[05:26] <alexicon> !mount points > alexicon
[05:26] <TheGateKeeper> Wiegand: what happens if you delete the / partition then recreate then tell it to proceed with the install?
[05:26] <alexicon> lol
[05:26] <Wiegand> TheGateKeeper: I'd rather not, as there is still existing data on there
[05:27] <Wiegand> worked during dapper install
[05:27] <foodcoman> ubuntu bailed on you.
[05:27] <foodcoman> =)
[05:27] <Zoohouse> Any projects out there that puts Kubuntu on a usb drive?
[05:27] <Shyne_> has anyone had problems with KDE's system settings? all the options are greyed out on monitors even in 'Administrator Mode'
[05:28] <foodcoman> Zoohouse, I saw a howto that I am sure would work with any version.
[05:28] <TheGateKeeper> Wiegand: in that case I would back the data up then you can happily trash it, have you also tried the alternate cd using the text installer?
[05:28] <Jucato> Shyne_: Edgy?
[05:28] <fdoving> Zoohouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence
[05:28] <Zoohouse> fdoving, foodcoman thanks
[05:28] <Jucato> hi fdoving! have  you seen the edited EdgyUpgrades page?
[05:28] <Shyne_> yes jucato, altho i upgraded the other week, not with the live release. im not quite sure if im on 6.10 now or not
[05:28] <Wiegand> TheGateKeeper: not yet @alternate cd
[05:28] <fdoving> hi jucato, yes. I have.
[05:29] <Jucato> fdoving: do you think that's ok now?
[05:29] <Jucato> Shyne_: you can update to see if you have other updates left. but I've had no problems with the Display in System Settings
[05:30] <fdoving> Jucato: i made a few changes ~2h ago. just cosmetic though. it's good. :)
[05:30] <Jucato> hm.. cosmetic, heh?
[05:30] <grulix> hola
[05:30] <grulix> soy bkn
[05:30] <grulix> pk uso linux
[05:30] <TheGateKeeper> Wiegand: I am reasonable if you where trying to do this with dapper it format your partition so you would end up saying goodbye to your data if you haven't backed it up
[05:30] <LjL> just out of curiosity (since i have edgy already) - what is the supported way to upgrade to edgy on *k*ubuntu? update-manager is a gnome thing afaics, and apt-get dist-upgrade is usually discouraged
[05:31] <grulix> i'm cool for pay with linux
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[05:31] <grulix> i'm cool for pay with linux
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[05:31] <Jucato> fdoving: ah ok... gnomefreak mentioned earlier that you should install kubuntu-desktop *before* dist-upgrade.
[05:31] <Wiegand> TheGateKeeper: are you sure there's no other way? has to be something in the installer... ubiquity sees the mountpoint
[05:31] <Shyne_> Jucato:  if i follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php im told 'xorg' isnt going to be installed
[05:32] <Shyne_> this sounds like a problem
[05:32] <Wiegand> TheGateKeeper: no, it worked perfectly during the dapper install
[05:32] <fdoving> Shyne_: what if you try http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade ?
[05:32] <Jucato> err... fdoving can you help Shyne_? not really that "comfortable" with upgrading
[05:32] <livingdaylight> my cd download is 698.4 MB !!! They sure packed that cd to its max!!
[05:33] <TheGateKeeper> Wiegand: try the alternate cd it will give you more control, but I still maintain you need to back your data up
[05:33] <Jucato> Alternate Install CD is 698MB, Desktop CD is 695MB
[05:33] <Sir_Briz1> Shyne_: that's happened to me on two upgrades
[05:33] <Shyne_> thanks fdoving that looks similar to how i upgraded before, but with some steps missing. I just hcanged the sources lists !!!!
[05:33] <Shyne_> ill give it a shot now
[05:33] <livingdaylight> Jucato: not on Ubuntu ;)
[05:34] <Sir_Briz1> Shyne_: Gub and Kub
[05:34] <Wiegand> TheGateKeeper: okay, I'll try that, thanks for your help
[05:34] <Jucato> livingdaylight: huh?
[05:34] <fdoving> Shyne_: please give me feedback if it works for you. :)
[05:34] <livingdaylight> Jucato: downloading ubuntu desktop and it says 498.4
[05:34] <Sir_Briz1> Shyne_: just run the upgrade, and then makle sure you install kubuntu-desktop and xserver-xorg before you reboot
[05:34] <Jucato> livingdaylight: aaah
[05:34] <livingdaylight> Jucato: kubuntu is next :D
[05:35] <Jucato> livingdaylight: well, at least now you know the estimate size for them :)
[05:35] <Shyne_> indeed - after i upgraded before X didnt work. i did something really naughty on tty1 and it worked next time i booted
[05:35] <Shyne_> :O
[05:35] <Sir_Briz1> lol
[05:35] <Sir_Briz1> ASCII art pr0n?
[05:35] <livingdaylight> Jucato: my point was i like how they're squeezing every possible space out of that 700MB cd, lol
[05:35] <foodcoman> Nice:  I like a little style put into it.  "# echo 'Yes, do as I say!'"     =)
[05:35] <livingdaylight> Jucato: let no space go to waste!
[05:35] <Jucato> livingdaylight: yeah... :)
[05:36] <Electrolyte> Ah crap, one file didn't download.
[05:36] <Electrolyte> Errhttp://gb.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main readahead 1:0.20050517.0220-0ubuntu7
[05:36] <Shyne_> is there an argument to apt-get install to make it get all the necessary dependencies ? im told some deps arent gonna be installed
[05:36] <Electrolyte> I'll have to take note which ones fail and download them seperately.
[05:36] <livingdaylight> Jucato: what is the reccomendation - alternate or not? what is the difference eggsaktly?
[05:36] <Jucato> sad to say, I've never had a single 100% successful upgrade in Kubuntu. Breezy to Dapper, and Dapper to Edgy :P
[05:37] <livingdaylight> Jucato: ditto
[05:37] <Jucato> livingdaylight: depends on what you need. I download both :P
[05:37] <ricanelite> how can i check what version of Ubuntu im using?
[05:37] <livingdaylight> by experience i reccommend FRESH install
[05:37] <fdoving> let's hope the upgrade tool will be ready for feisty.
[05:37] <ricanelite> Because i thought I downloaded the new release version of edgy
[05:37] <Sir_Briz1> Jucato: I have, from Warty to Hoary and from Hoary to Breezy went great... but I've had problems with both Dapper and Edgy
[05:37] <Electrolyte> Ah, re-did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it fixed it.
[05:37] <livingdaylight> Jucato: what would one need alternate for?
[05:38] <fdoving> ricanelite: from konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole) run 'lsb_release -c'
[05:38] <Jucato> livingdaylight: more installation options: LVM, reiser, installing GRUB somewhere else, RAID
[05:38] <Shyne_> Jucato: is there an argument to make apt install deps too
[05:38] <fdoving> Shyne_: apt automatically install deps.
[05:38] <Jucato> fdoving: Riddel wrote there are plans to port update-manager to Kubuntu...
[05:38] <RawSewage> !ipv6
[05:38] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:38] <Shyne_> fdoving i get errors:
[05:38] <Shyne_> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[05:38] <Shyne_>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed
[05:38] <Shyne_>   xorg: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed
[05:38] <ricanelite> okay it says codename edgy
[05:39] <livingdaylight> Jucato: so if i'm happy with where GRUB is and use ext3 and don't use RAID then i don't need alternate?
[05:39] <ricanelite> so i got the new update then
[05:39] <fdoving> Jucato: yes, we just need a qt interface, or something like that.
[05:39] <jende_> !paste
[05:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:39] <Jucato> livingdaylight: also gives you options for minimal install, expert install and stuff
[05:39] <fdoving> Shyne_: try 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop xorg libgl1-mesa-glx'
[05:39] <Jucato> livingdaylight: desktop cd installer *overwrites* the mbr automatically
[05:39] <Shyne_> yeah it just keeps asking for loads more stuff fdoving
[05:39] <livingdaylight> Jucato: now i don't know which i need :|
[05:39] <Shyne_> everyone i type need another ..
[05:40] <livingdaylight> Jucato: tell me what is the network cd - something else altogether?
[05:40] <fdoving> Shyne_: ok, try 'apt-get install hpijs kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager upstart kubuntu-desktop xorg x11-common xserver-xorg'
[05:40] <Jucato> network cd? didn't see that
[05:40] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yea, says network
[05:41] <livingdaylight> Jucato: so basically desktop cd is for dummies like me, and alternate is for pros who know what they are doing?
[05:41] <Shyne_> fdoving:  unmet deps -  libgl1-mesa-glx  ... if i add them all it then has conflics with  libgl1
[05:41] <fdoving> Shyne_: can you pastebin all the errors? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:41] <Jucato> livingdaylight: sort of. but some pros also would want the Live CD for quick rescue stuff
[05:41] <livingdaylight> Jucato: sorry, not network, lol, SERVER!#
[05:41] <Jucato> lol
[05:42] <Jucato> livingdaylight: it's for installing on servers
[05:42] <livingdaylight> Jucato: ah. so alternate cd is not live cd!
[05:42] <Shyne_> fdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28457/
[05:42] <Shyne_> lines 01 and 23
[05:42] <fdoving> Shyne_: did you first change your sources.list, then 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or did you follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade ?
[05:42] <Jucato> livingdaylight: no. the Desktop CD *is* the Live CD
[05:42] <Shyne_> im following the url
[05:43] <Shyne_> but i have attempted an update before
[05:43] <Shyne_> which kinda worked and broke some X stuff
[05:43] <livingdaylight> Jucato: but using adept one can install server tools from desktop version too right? so server cd means it comes preconfigured and saves time of having to install it later?
[05:43] <Lynoure> Is updating somehow annoyingly broken or does it just sound like it from the discussions here?
[05:43] <Shyne_> my GL screensavers dont work atm, and i cant manage some KDE settings (monitors for example)
[05:43] <nickv111> Wow. Edgy is. . . Beautiful
[05:43] <fdoving> Shyne_: ok. can you pastebin the output of 'apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx' ?
[05:43] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I'm not familiar with it, but I think the Server CD comes with LAMP pre-installed
[05:44] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yea, so alternate is a straight install from cd. And then there is the DVD too! lol :)
[05:44] <Jucato> livingdaylight: DVD is a Live DVD with almost everything in universe, iirc
[05:44] <livingdaylight> Jucato: thx, i've got the different concepts sorted out now at least
[05:44] <Jucato> :_)
[05:45] <guillaume_> Who know how i can install steam here ? pv me PLZ !
[05:45] <Shyne_> that worked fine fdoving, do u still want the output ?
[05:45] <livingdaylight> Jucato: does installing from dvd give one a bloated install? or bare minimum as with the cd? what's the difference and what is the essential function of dvd when there is already a live cd?
[05:46] <fdoving> Shyne_: yes please.
[05:46] <Shyne_> fdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28461/
[05:46] <fdoving> thanks.
[05:46] <Shyne_> thank you!
[05:46] <Shyne_> unless im helping you somehow :)
[05:46] <Jucato> livingdaylight: same as installing from the Desktop CD. the DVD allows you to install stuff from the universe offline
[05:46] <fdoving> Shyne_: you're helping me help others :)
[05:46] <Shyne_> looks like some crazy conflicts from the output
[05:47] <livingdaylight> Guys, Jucato really knows his shit!
[05:47] <Jucato> Shyne_: your help fdoving figure out stuff that goes wrong
[05:47] <livingdaylight> thx, man!
[05:47] <Shyne_> the previous 'upgrade attempt' pretty much just s/dapper/edgy on the sources.list then did a dist upgrade
[05:47] <Jucato> livingdaylight: watch your language :P  and thanks... but I don't know a lot yet
[05:47] <Shyne_> i get the feeling kubuntu needs the extra steps in the guide
[05:47] <Jucato> livingdaylight: fdoving definitely knows a lot more than I do
[05:48] <livingdaylight> Jucato: lol, sorry for swearing :p but you know more than i do, hehe
[05:48] <Jucato> hehe
[05:48] <alexicon> does anyone know if i have to edit mtab if i want to change the partition my home dir is on
[05:48] <livingdaylight> oh, i know fdoving almost knows too much if that is possible, hehe.... ^^
[05:48] <livingdaylight> Jucato: he knows alot about NASCAR racing too,  :p
[05:49] <Shyne_> fdoving: shall I try to upgrade again now ?
[05:49] <Jucato> no I don't :)
[05:49] <fdoving> Shyne_: yes, continue from where it failed.
[05:49] <livingdaylight> fdoving: how are your guys doing in the nascar scene?
[05:50] <Shyne_> 30meg download ... here we go !
[05:50] <fdoving> livingdaylight: nascar? I don't do nascar. I drive a mercedes :)
[05:50] <Lynoure> upgrading sure sounds non-fun
[05:50] <Jucato> yay 3 hours more for the Desktop CD, and 11 more for the Alternate :P
[05:51] <livingdaylight> fdoving: lol, i thought iwas you, who watched nascar racing...t'was someone else afterall - had you mixed up, sorry :)
[05:51] <fdoving> livingdaylight: no problem :)
[05:51] <livingdaylight> Jucato: 3hours for desktop cd?
[05:51] <Jucato> 3hrs more to go before it finishes downloading from the torrents
[05:51] <livingdaylight> Jucato: no way! that sux
[05:52] <Jucato> hehe torrent
[05:52] <livingdaylight> torrents can be really rubbish
[05:52] <Lynoure> Jucato: got mine in 20min but I was naughty and got it from the closest mirror
[05:52] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: lol, that is naughty, hardly a torrent  download
[05:53] <Shyne_> the torrent would be faster if more ppl used it /seeded :P
[05:53] <Blacken> How do I turn off the bell in bash?
[05:53] <InteliWasp> is it worth it to upgrade from 6.061 or more painless to do a full reinstall?
[05:53] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: i'm also getting mine from a mirror and its taking twice the time as yours but still beats Jucato's time of 11 hours ! lol!
[05:53] <fdoving> Blacken: 'setterm -blengt 0'
[05:53] <Blacken> fdoving: Thank you.
[05:53] <fdoving> Blacken: put it in ~/.bashrc or something. :)
[05:53] <Shyne_> InteliWasp: u might as well do the upgrade then reinstall if it doesnt work :)
[05:53] <blueyed> InteliWasp: Upgrade, of course.
[05:54] <Electrolyte> Well I'm almost done downloading.
[05:54] <ypsila> moin
[05:54] <Electrolyte> Then the big part - updating.
[05:54] <Lynoure> livingdaylight: but, after listing a bit here, I'm thinking I will not ugrade today :( No concentration for a missing dependencies hassle
[05:54] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: its always good to wait a few days and let the dust settle...
[05:54] <ricanelite> How can I make sure my hole edgy update is all complete, Like make sure my Ubuntu OS is all up to date
[05:55] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: if one can bare waiting that is :p
[05:55] <fdoving> Lynoure: if you do it today i'll be around for hints and tips, of course only if you follow my guide :)
[05:55] <ricanelite> can i do in terminal sudp apt-get update
[05:55] <InteliWasp> well i need to wain untill tonight anyway...
[05:55] <ricanelite> or sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:55] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: i thought the point of the download is that you're gonna do a fresh install anyhow, no?
[05:55] <Lynoure> livingdaylight: my original plan was a week to see if all is fine with this lappy hardware, but the impatience is contagious
[05:56] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: its called distro-fevah!
[05:56] <Lynoure> livingdaylight: no, it's that I can try on livecd if basic things seem to work
[05:56] <Lynoure> livingdaylight: clean install upgrades are so not me
[05:56] <livingdaylight> hehe
[05:56] <livingdaylight> call me a boor
[05:57] <Electrolyte> Anyone else had locale errors when updating?
[05:57] <Lynoure> livingdaylight: and I'll be also taking the cdrom to some people with slow net, eventually
[05:57] <Electrolyte> Oh wait never mind, it's complaining that I have en_GB installed
[05:58] <Electrolyte> OO.o has failed to install.
[05:58] <Electrolyte> So it's removed it :/
[05:58] <livingdaylight> Lynoure: even better just give them copies, but that is the spirit, yea...
[05:59] <grindel> hello
[05:59] <livingdaylight> hi grindel
[05:59] <Electrolyte> Yup, OOo fails to install on upgrades :/
[05:59] <livingdaylight> grindel: everyone's got distro-fever here
[06:00] <livingdaylight> grindel: Dapper is fine and supported for another 3years, but everyone needs EDGY right NoW!
[06:00] <Lynoure> livingdaylight: I will, I meant the copies of the cdrom I downloaded once
[06:00] <grindel> i have a dumb question... is the xchat application that is available via apt thing the normal xchat that i would download and make??? i mean it dosen't seems the same
[06:01] <grindel> err i just upgraded from mandriva 2k7 to kubuntu 6.10
[06:02] <livingdaylight> grindel: how did you upgrade from mandriva to kubuntu? They are different distros?
[06:02] <sheft> How do I upgrade to 6.10?
[06:02] <livingdaylight> grindel: you mean you jumped ship altogether :)
[06:02] <Dasnipa`> sheft, see the topic
[06:02] <grindel> yeah
[06:02] <grindel> i formatted my partition and everything
[06:03] <livingdaylight> grindel: as for xchat, its usually best to download the binaries prepared and made for whatever distro in question sitting in repos if possible. Its also the easierst :)
[06:03] <gsuveg> guidance doesnt works :(
[06:04] <grindel> sure sure but the features aren't the same... al i really want to do is change it to tabbed view instead of tree view for the chan/servers
[06:05] <livingdaylight> grindel: cant tell you as i don't use xchat
[06:06] <livingdaylight> grindel: lots of people use Konversation in Kubuntu. Personally i use the irc client integrated in Opera
[06:06] <livingdaylight> Anyone here use Xchat in Kubuntu?
[06:06] <grindel> Konversations sukz
[06:06] <Jucato> I used XChat on XP...
[06:07] <Jucato> grindel: I'm sure the option is there somewhere
[06:07] <Jucato> I believe I've seen it before, but I can't remember where
[06:07] <livingdaylight> yea, grindel check properties or look for options as Jucato suggests, or settings even
[06:07] <livingdaylight> or just use Opera :)
[06:08] <Jucato> O_O
[06:08] <livingdaylight> hehe >_<
[06:08] <Dannilion> I've got a problem with Firefox- it won't install any addons/extensions
[06:08] <Jucato> Dannilion: any extension at all? Dapper or Edgy? how did you install it?
[06:09] <Dannilion> Edgy
[06:09] <Dannilion> And any
[06:09] <Dannilion> I installed it from the Firefox addons site
[06:09] <cullmann> is there any kubuntu cd image for edgy which installs on a mainboard with only a ich8(r) sata controller in ahci mode?
[06:10] <Electrolyte> Oh crap.
[06:10] <Jucato> cullmann: not really sure, but the Alternate Install CD has more installation options
[06:11] <Electrolyte> Crap
[06:11] <Electrolyte> Got an error
[06:11] <Dannilion> They all say "this add-on will be installed when Firefox is restarted", no matter how many times I restart firefox
[06:11] <Electrolyte> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:11] <cullmann> Jucato: but all have a broken kernel :(
[06:11] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: just reboot for the heck of it and see if that helps
[06:11] <Jucato> Dannilion: some addons/extensions do not work on Firefox 2.0 yet
[06:11] <TheGateKeeper> livingdaylight: you using edgy?
[06:11] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: also killall gnome-panel and reset things
[06:11] <Electrolyte> Ah, re-doing sudo apt-get distr-upgrade fixed it.
[06:12] <Jucato> livingdaylight: gnome-panel??
[06:12] <livingdaylight> Jucato: lol, soryy
[06:12] <Jucato> your lost, man! :)
[06:12] <livingdaylight> TheGateKeeper is about to tell me off
[06:12] <Dannilion> I'll try a reboot- bye bye 11 day uptime :P
[06:12] <Jucato> Dannilion: did you check if the addon/extension is meant to work on 2.0?
[06:12] <Jucato> grr...
[06:12] <livingdaylight> arrrr....
[06:12] <InteliWasp> too bad my campus decided to cap the download, otherwise i would be upgrading like mad...
[06:13] <Jucato> livingdaylight: look what you did :P
[06:13] <Jucato> err "look at"
[06:13] <livingdaylight> Jucato: hehe...well rebboot wont hurt
[06:13] <livingdaylight> TheGateKeeper: please tell me off then...
[06:13] <Jucato> it hurts the record.. "11 day uptime"
[06:13] <TheGateKeeper> livingdaylight: nope I want to know if my firefox extensions are going to stop working if I upgrade to edgy
[06:14] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: probably, since Edgy uses Firefox 2.0 and not all extensions work on 2.0 yet
[06:14] <livingdaylight> TheGateKeeper: ahh... well, certainly seems as one of our fellows is having an issue with it.
[06:14] <livingdaylight> TheGateKeeper: the answer is i'm still downloading Edgy now, so i'll find out later
[06:15] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I don't believe that restarting would have solved the issue *if* the extension she kept on trying to install really doesn't work on 2.0
[06:15] <Lynoure> TheGateKeeper: if you use something like TabsBrowser+, makes sense to bookmark the tabs first, just in case
[06:15] <Shyne_> fdoving what can i say - it worked just fine
[06:15] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i agree.
[06:15] <Shyne_> thanks for the help and point everyone to that guide you wrote :P
[06:15] <livingdaylight> Jucato: would firefox now have told her that the particular extension was not available in FF2?
[06:15] <Jucato> livingdaylight: and yet you told her to reboot :P
[06:16] <Jucato> livingdaylight: they give out warnings. and she should check onthe extensions page
[06:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: seeing as it had asked to restart before working i thought maybe that wasn't the issue
[06:16] <fdoving> Shyne_: great, thanks for your feedback :)
[06:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: teh warning did not indicate that the extension wasn't available in FF2, would it do if that were teh case?
[06:16] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, there several extns that aren't ready for FF2 yet
[06:16] <TheGateKeeper> well google notebook & google browse sync are the one I don't want to loose
[06:17] <Lynoure> fdoving: if you have written upgrade guide, it would like to link to it from my blog, even though I will not use it today :)
[06:17] <Jucato> livingdaylight: there is no individual warning per extension
[06:17] <livingdaylight> well, i wish you had all told Dannillion earlier then when she was asking, lol
[06:17] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I did
[06:17] <livingdaylight> Jucato: only too late, teh
[06:17] <Jucato> just below your "reboot" advice
[06:18] <Jucato> she probably didn't see it or ignored it
[06:18] <fdoving> Lynoure: feel free. it's not the official way, stated in the announcements, but if people have more success with following my guide, please recommend it.
[06:18] <livingdaylight> Jucato: so, it will just say extension will work when restarting regardless of whether it is available for that version or not? hmmm....
[06:18] <Lynoure> fdoving: url?
[06:18] <Jucato> livingdaylight: btw, that "restart" message that Firefox gives? it's meant to restart the browser. not the PC
[06:18] <livingdaylight> Jucato: how do you know it is 'she' ?
[06:18] <fdoving> Lynoure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[06:18] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I've talked to her loooong before
[06:19] <livingdaylight> Jucato: oh, i know, but since that wasn't doing it, i thought a reboot altogether
[06:19] <Jucato> 2 months ago, I thihnk
[06:19] <livingdaylight> Jucato: oh, ok...
[06:19] <livingdaylight> Jucato: by the way have you killed that torrent download?
[06:19] <grindel> is it typical to have extreamly old software in the apt database
[06:19] <grindel> ??
[06:20] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I don't think they can really check each and every extension that tries to install on Firefox 2.0...
[06:20] <Jucato> no I didn't kill the download
[06:20] <Jucato> grindel: depends if there isn't any new version of the software available
[06:20] <livingdaylight> Jucato: mine is done...
[06:21] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I'll sleep through the download
[06:21] <livingdaylight> Jucato: why not use mirrors?
[06:21] <Jucato> livingdaylight: it's a torrent. there are no mirrors
[06:22] <livingdaylight> Jucato: before installing an ext will it not say whether it is available in the version of FF being used? or auto detect version incompatibility during installation? To say 'restart FF' suggests that it was accepted
[06:22] <livingdaylight> Jucato: but there are mirrors for the version you are downloading
[06:22] <Jucato> livingdaylight: probably.
[06:23] <Electrolyte> Help!! I got a broken package ;(
[06:23] <Jucato> livingdaylight: yes, but I wanted to use a torrent
[06:23] <Electrolyte> kubuntu-desktop won't install.
[06:23] <Jucato> fdoving: your call :)
[06:23] <Electrolyte> kubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed
[06:23] <ricanelite> Is the servers slow today to get updates?
[06:23] <Electrolyte> Any ideas about that error?
[06:23] <Jucato> Electrolyte: try to "sudo apt-get install xorg"
[06:24] <Electrolyte> xorg: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed
[06:24] <Electrolyte> :/
[06:24] <Shyne_> id like to get dual monitors working - but my monitors arent detected as what they are, and all the options are greyed out. Where to start? Is this needing an ATI driver or ...
[06:24] <Jucato> Electrolyte: try installing that one
[06:24] <word|school> Shyne_: the options might be greyed out because you aren't in administrator mode
[06:25] <Shyne_> i am, and they still are
[06:25] <TheGateKeeper> so who is using edgy & firefox?
[06:25] <Shyne_> its got stuff like refresh rate -19000
[06:25] <Shyne_> so i think its not working
[06:25] <Shyne_>  icant change resolutions etc
[06:25] <grindel> xchat is up to version 2.6.x and i just now installed version 0.13.... from the apt manager. there dosen't seem to be a newer version available
[06:25] <MidMark> TheGateKeeper: what is the problem?
[06:25] <hammer> hi
[06:25] <Electrolyte> Ah ty Jucato.
[06:25] <word|school> Shyne_: then a manual xorg.conf is in your future search the wiki for dual monitor
[06:25] <Electrolyte> I had to remove some other packages for that to be installed.
[06:25] <hammer> in which package do i find X11 libraries and headers?
[06:26] <fdoving> Electrolyte: are you following my guide at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade? 'sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx'
[06:26] <word|school> Electrolyte: shouldn't have to remove for other things to be installed..that's a thing that happens in dist-upgrae
[06:26] <Jucato> grindel: are you on dapper?
[06:26] <TheGateKeeper> MidMark: I am trying to avoid one by finding out if the extensions stop working lol
[06:26] <RawSewage> why doesnt   sudo apt-get install mscorefonts  work
[06:26] <Electrolyte> fdoving - no.
[06:26] <gurumeditationer> Hi room, I'm using kubuntu 6.06 kept up to date, gtk-gnutella crashed on me a few hours ago and killed all the title bars
[06:26] <Electrolyte> I'm following what's on the Kubuntu website.
[06:26] <fdoving> Electrolyte: ok.
[06:26] <gurumeditationer> Even after killing X and restarting the machine it stayed like that
[06:26] <gurumeditationer> every time I log in I need to run kwin to get the titles back, does anyone know what I've broke?
[06:26] <grindel> no i'm not
[06:26] <MidMark> TheGateKeeper: which extension?
[06:26] <Electrolyte> On there: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[06:26] <fdoving> Electrolyte: i'll have to get that updated then.
[06:26] <RawSewage> !mscorefonts
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mscorefonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <grindel> i just got the freshest copy an hour ago
[06:27] <Jucato> grindel: Dapper has version 2.6.1, Edgy has 2.6.6
[06:27] <grindel> elm or wutever it is
[06:27] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: and?
[06:27] <fdoving> Electrolyte: please tell me if you encounter other problems.
[06:27] <grindel> yeah edgy
[06:27] <Electrolyte> OK.
[06:27] <Dannilion> I'm checking
[06:27] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: jucato was just saying before you logged off that not all extensions work in FF2
[06:27] <TheGateKeeper> MidMark: Google Browse Sync & Google Notebook are the ones I most heavily rely on
[06:27] <Dannilion> same problem
[06:27] <Jucato> !xchat edgy
[06:27] <Dannilion> These extensions work for 2.9
[06:27] <grindel> so how do i get 2.6.6 installed then ??
[06:27] <Dannilion> 2.0
[06:27] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[06:28] <Jucato> grindel: ^^^^^^
[06:28] <Jucato> grindel: it should already be installed if you're on Edgy (if your repositories are pointing to edgy)
[06:28] <RawSewage> oh
[06:28] <Jucato> Dannilion: that's just weird then...
[06:28] <RawSewage> it's  sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:28] <grindel> humm hol on
[06:28] <oswaldo> linux it is fantastic
[06:28] <Jucato> Dannilion: what extension are you trying? I'll try it on Swiftfox
[06:29] <Dannilion> greasemonkey and downloadthemall
[06:29] <exhale> how does one disable that "bleep" sound in konsole?
[06:29] <oswaldo> someone speak spanish?
[06:29] <oswaldo> someone speak spanish?
[06:29] <oswaldo> someone speak spanish?
[06:29] <grindel> yeah linux is fantastic until it dosen't work like it supposed to
[06:29] <MidMark> TheGateKeeper: I don't know I don't use those ext
[06:29] <BluesKaj> !ES
[06:29] <Jucato> oswaldo: please don't flood
[06:29] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:29] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: there is a FF 2.9?
[06:29] <Dannilion> No
[06:29] <Dannilion> That was a typo
[06:29] <Dannilion> I was typing while eating toast :P
[06:30] <oswaldo> obotu es k abri por primera vez el linux y me sali esto
[06:30] <oswaldo> alguien me puede decir que chat es este
[06:30] <fdoving> !es
[06:30] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:30] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: lol, that can happen especially while eating toast
[06:30] <Jucato> !es | oswaldo
[06:30] <ubotu> oswaldo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:30] <oswaldo> ok
[06:30] <livingdaylight> hola oswaldo que passa con tigo?!
[06:30] <oswaldo> gracias
[06:30] <oswaldo> thank very much
[06:30] <livingdaylight> !es
[06:30] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:30] <oswaldo> living
[06:31] <oswaldo> eres epaol?
[06:31] <livingdaylight> si
[06:31] <Jucato> Dannilion: hold on while I look for it
[06:31] <oswaldo> chacho y esto que es un canal de irc
[06:31] <Dannilion> ok
[06:31] <livingdaylight> bueno, mi padre es espanol verdad
[06:31] <oswaldo> es k instale router y tengo internet en linux y se me abri esto solo ti0
[06:31] <orkid__> "yeah linux is fantastic until it dosen't work like it supposed to" lol (sry, but it's funny)
[06:31] <livingdaylight> lol, oswaldo, va al chat espanolo para ayuda
[06:32] <Frumpy> kubuntu upgrade from dapper to edgy just tanked
[06:32] <Erich-K> Should I upgrade to edgy?
[06:33] <Jucato> Dannilion: greasemonkey installed on Swiftfox...
[06:33] <Jucato> trying to install firefox to test
[06:34] <dhq> hey all
[06:34] <dhq> is there any download manager for kubuntu
[06:34] <RawSewage> !beryl
[06:34] <Jucato> dhq: KGet
[06:34] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[06:34] <Dannilion> If it works on swiftfox I'll just swap :)
[06:34] <fdoving> Electrolyte: did you install xgl stuff from unoffical repositories?
[06:34] <Electrolyte> Yeah.
[06:34] <Jucato> Dannilion: hold yer horses :)
[06:35] <Jucato> fdoving: hehe imbrandon was right :)
[06:35] <fdoving> Electrolyte: that explains your problem.
[06:35] <Electrolyte> It's removed them now any way.
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> Who is knowledgable about ipv6 ?
[06:35] <Electrolyte> I gave it a test, but couldn't be bothered to keep using it.
[06:35] <Electrolyte> Since it crashed my system.
[06:36] <Electrolyte> Love the eye-candy, but I want my stability with it.
[06:36] <fpiadmin> hi
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> (mainly using a private ipv6 network through an openvpn tunnel)
[06:36] <Jucato> Dannilion: err... taking time to install Firefox... :(
[06:36] <fpiadmin> joining winxp to a samba domain gives me trouble, anyone with experience care to help ?
[06:36] <Dannilion> I want fullscreen homestarrunner again :P
[06:37] <fpiadmin> !samba
[06:37] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:39] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: you installing firefox now?
[06:39] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: yes
[06:39] <Jucato> but it's going sloooooow....
[06:39] <Jucato> with 2 ISO downloads, I'm not surprised :P
[06:39] <dhq> so how is edgy goin
[06:40] <Jucato> goin, going, gone!
[06:40] <RawSewage> !nvidia
[06:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:40] <dhq> i am on the edgy knot so if i upgrade will it change to the new version or do i have to reinstall
[06:40] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: well when it eventually gets there & fancy testing Google Browse Sync & Google Notebook I for one would be very gratefull
[06:40] <dhq> fdoving: ^^
[06:40] <Jucato> Google Notebook extension?
[06:41] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: yep I use both of them
[06:41] <Jucato> ok I will try
[06:41] <fdoving> dhq: upgrade and it'll be fine :)
[06:42] <dhq> well where can i get the new source list
[06:42] <deema> hi
[06:42] <grindel> well since this is all broken and i'm extreamly tired i'm going to sleep now
[06:42] <Jucato> dhq: there's no new list. you're already on edgy
[06:42] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: http://www.google.com/googlenotebook/overview.html
[06:42] <deema> how can I upgrade from Breezy to Edgy?
[06:42] <can_> I installed kubuntu to a community house but they need this machine added to a win2003 domain how can I do it.
[06:43] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: yeah I know about it. I was actually asking if you're asking me if Google Notebook itself worked properly
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> deema: direct if you can handle a few conflicts
[06:43] <dhq> Jucato: the sources some of the crash ie error and some are ok
[06:43] <deema> what?
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> deema: but the supported vay is via dapper
[06:43] <Dannilion> I think my installation of swiftfox is faster than Jucato's installation of Firefox :P
[06:43] <Jucato> Dannilion: of course :)
[06:43] <deema> so I should upgrade from breezy To dapper, and then dapper to edgy?
[06:43] <dhq> Jucato: well can you paste your sources on pastebin
[06:43] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: well I would be gratefull to know if it works in firefox 2?
[06:43] <Jucato> dhq: same here.
[06:44] <Jucato> deema: that's the only way you can do it
[06:44] <dhq> Jucato: lolz
[06:44] <zorglu_> the announcement of edgy redefines the terms stable or edgy. it is stable and on the edge at the same time. a new but real sweet spot :)
[06:44] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: is it ok if I test on Swiftfox first? since they're basically the same
[06:44] <dhq> Jucato: so someone who has edgy installed may be able to paste their sources on pastebin
[06:44] <deema> will there be any difference if I just completely reinstall from edgy CD than upgrading from breezy to edgy?
[06:44] <dhq> !sources
[06:44] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:44] <Jucato> dhq: the sources haven't changed
[06:45] <Jucato> you can switch mirrors if you want.
[06:45] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: of course :-)
[06:45] <dhq> Jucato: okies
[06:45] <bambix> hi all!!!!
[06:45] <deema> hi
[06:45] <bambix> can someone help me install my graphics card properly?
[06:45] <Dannilion> Bah, I get the same problem with swiftfox
[06:45] <nickv111> Who here is downloading Edgy using the kubuntu-6.10-desktop-1386.iso.torrent?
[06:45] <nickv111> My download is stalled
[06:45] <Jucato> Dannilion: oh?
[06:46] <deema> will there be any difference if I just completely reinstall from edgy CD than upgrading from breezy to edgy?
[06:46] <Jucato> nickv111: mine is doing well
[06:46] <Jucato> deema: you'll have a clean system. and you can't upgrade from breezy to edgy directly
[06:46] <TheGateKeeper> deema: it will be cleaner
[06:46] <deema> I understand, I must go through dapper. but should I do?
[06:46] <deema> from edgy CD, or upgrade trough dapper
[06:47] <Dannilion> Jucato: I've restarted Swiftfox 4 times so far, and it still says they'll be installed on restart
[06:47] <epinephrine> hrm. has wifi support in kubuntu improved from dapper? by imporved, I don't mean driver support, I mean is there a nice gui where I can just double-click a network, tap in the WPA key and be done with it?
[06:47] <Dannilion> so it's the same problem as on Firefox
[06:47] <Jucato> :-O
[06:47] <Jucato> Dannilion: so I'm guessing it's only on your end?
[06:47] <deema> can somebody tell me what shall I do
[06:47] <Shyne_> dumb question, but how do stop these 'Operation not permitted' errors in stuff like Konqueror for file operations etc... I need to be root
[06:48] <Dannilion> Probably
[06:48] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[06:48] <Dannilion> I'm going to try uninstalling and reinstalling Firefox
[06:48] <Pupeno_> How do I know what version of Kubuntu is this livecd I am running ?
[06:48] <Jucato> Pupeno_: in Konsole, type "lsb_release -a"
[06:49] <TheGateKeeper> Shyne_: you can run konq as root if you want to but be carefull, Run Command... kdesu konqueror
[06:49] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: should I still test? seeing that Dannilion and I are getting completely different results, on both Swift and Firefox
[06:49] <Jucato> Shyne_: be very very careful :P
[06:49] <Jucato> Dannilion: did you upgrade to Edgy? or fresh install?
[06:50] <Shyne_> thats really my aim, but i get problems cos i dont have permission to do stuff like extract files !
[06:50] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: yes please because his might just be a local problem
[06:50] <Shyne_> if i was extracting in the terminal id use sudo
[06:50] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: *her*
[06:50] <Shyne_> i dont get it
[06:50] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: ooops sorry
[06:50] <Dannilion> Upgrade about a month ago
[06:50] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: don't apologize to me :P
[06:50] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: there's your problem
[06:51] <Jucato> Dannilion: did you update today/tonight?
[06:51] <Dannilion> No- a month ago
[06:51] <thunderstorm> hi everywhere
[06:51] <livingdaylight> there's the problem
[06:51] <Jucato> Dannilion: errr...
[06:51] <ypsila> TheGateKeeper: one question pls, did you formerly use a yahoo-linux-channel?
[06:51] <Jucato> a month ago, it wasn't stable 2.0
[06:51] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: are you really surprised that you're having troubles?
[06:52] <Jucato> Dannilion: stable 2.0 was just released... so you  need to update today
[06:52] <Dannilion> ok
[06:52] <Dannilion> well, the reinstall should do that
[06:52] <thunderstorm> can someone help me? i want to list all files and directories with the rights 777 on a ftp-server - is that possible?
[06:52] <TheGateKeeper> ypsila: don't think so
[06:52] <Jucato> probably
[06:52] <Dannilion> livingdaylight: it has been working fine for a month, so I am slightly surprised, yes
[06:52] <livingdaylight> Dannilion: i'm a firm believer in Fresh Installs
[06:52] <ypsila> TheGateKeeper: sorry, so someone else did use the same nick
[06:52] <tuskernini> anyone knows how edgy kde is working... no problems yet?
[06:52] <TheGateKeeper> ypsila: probable :-)
[06:52] <Jucato> no problems yet afaik
[06:53] <tuskernini> Jucato:
[06:53] <livingdaylight> Jucato: are you downloading both torrents at the same time? wondering whether that affects teh time of download
[06:53] <ypsila> TheGateKeeper: yes
[06:53] <tuskernini> Jucato: ok thank you... have kde and gnu... upgrading gnu now
[06:53] <TheGateKeeper> ypsila: where did they come from?
[06:53] <Jucato> tuskernini: you mean gnome?
[06:53] <Jucato> livingdaylight: hm... bandwidth?
[06:53] <tuskernini> Jucato: that
[06:53] <deema> what difference will it make if I install Edgy, rather than upgrading from breezy to edgy? what shall I do?
[06:53] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i'm minutes away from downloading my second distro version (alternate)
[06:54] <ypsila> TheGateKeeper: as I remember a british island
[06:54] <TheGateKeeper> ypsila: ok not me
[06:54] <Jucato> deema: if you make a fresh install of Edgy, you have a very clean system, nothing carried over from your previous installation. zero, nada.
[06:54] <tuskernini> Jucato: used gnome for 2 years... and installed kde... kind of like it
[06:54] <livingdaylight> Jucato: maybe it'll be quicker if i download burn and send you one in the post, lol :)
[06:54] <Jucato> livingdaylight: heh
[06:55] <deema> is that a good or bad thing?
[06:55] <Jucato> livingdaylight: the reason I preferred to use the torrent is to be able to upload at the same time
[06:55] <arriesp> hi
[06:55] <livingdaylight> tuskernini: i'm like you. The only thing i don't like in KDE are all the K's everywhere
[06:55] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato: be back in a bit, catch you latter... :-)
[06:55] <ypsila> TheGateKeeper: :-) thought so
[06:55] <Jucato> deema: depends on you. if you upgrade from breezy to dapper to edgy, you'll have to upgrade twice.
[06:56] <livingdaylight> TheGateKeeper: cu later
[06:56] <Jucato> livingdaylight: what? and you like the gName or the gnome-stuff, but don't like Kname?
[06:56] <TheGateKeeper> livingdaylight: l8r
[06:56] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: ok
[06:56] <livingdaylight> Jucato: now i feel like i'm not a team player
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> deema: if you upgrade straight from breezy to edgy it would be potentially more interesting)
[06:56] <livingdaylight> Jucato: lets not start a gnome/kde war...lol :p
[06:56] <deema> potentially more interesting?
[06:57] <Jucato> livingdaylight: :P
[06:57] <Dannilion> I found the problem- old stuff from Firefox 1.5 :P
[06:57] <TheGateKeeper> h3sp4wn: :-)
[06:57] <livingdaylight> Jucato: but i do prefer the human feel of Gnome over kde yes. the G is inconspicuous and not in ones face everywhere
[06:57] <Jucato> deema: interesting? upgrade... frustrating? upgrade. fast and safe? fresh install :)
[06:57] <Jucato> Dannilion: bleh :P
[06:57] <deema> see I don't know what I should do. install fresh or upgrade breezy>dapper>edgy.
[06:57] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I thought you didn't want a war :P
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: I can't see how it would that difficult (rip out as much as possible first)
[06:58] <livingdaylight> Jucato: hehehe...ok. lets have one then...  :D
[06:58] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: which one?
[06:58] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I don't want to
[06:59] <yokobr> hi
[06:59] <livingdaylight> Jucato: Om Shanti then...^^
[06:59] <ypsila> livingdaylight: that kind of discussion is ridiculous imho
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: breezy to edgy (dapper to sid is doable)
[06:59] <yokobr> im trying to mount this : sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/mac , whats wrong??
[06:59] <Jucato> livingdaylight: shalom
[06:59] <livingdaylight> Jucato: indeed :)
[06:59] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: he has to go breezy to dapper to edgy.
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: has to ? I doubt it *has* to
[07:00] <Blacken> Why does Kubuntu install OpenOffice instead of KOffice?
[07:00] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: absolutely has to
[07:00] <ypsila> h3sp4wn: to me too it seems the more logic way
[07:00] <greg> hello everybody
[07:00] <ypsila> Blacken: throw it away and get koffice
[07:01] <ypsila> hi greg
[07:01] <livingdaylight> hi greg
[07:01] <Blacken> ypsila: Well, obviously, but I was wondering why.
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: that is complete junk (if I can upgrade dapper to sid (with only minor messing around) then breezy to edgy would be not too hard
[07:01] <livingdaylight> greg: everyone has distro-fever
[07:01] <yokobr> pleasee
[07:01] <ypsila> Blacken: I don't know the reason
[07:01] <greg> it's my first day witku kubuntu and first day here
[07:01] <yokobr> i need to mount sda2 on media/mac
[07:01] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: ddapper to sid is not like breezy to edgy
[07:01] <yokobr> how can i do that?
[07:01] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: SHOULD not be too hard. Dapper->Edgy has blown up plenty of stuff as-is.
[07:02] <livingdaylight> greg: kewl
[07:02] <livingdaylight> greg: did you download and install edgy?
[07:02] <ypsila> h3sp4wn: not everybody is a linux-profi
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: The issues are different but probably no more complicated
[07:02] <greg> give me some time to lern everything, please
[07:02] <yokobr> how can i do that?
[07:02] <yokobr> i need to mount sda2 on media/mac
[07:02] <yokobr> i need to mount sda2 on media/mac
[07:02] <yokobr> pleasee
[07:02] <jarle> yokobr: sudo mount / dev/sda /media/mac
[07:02] <livingdaylight> greg: whose rushing you?
[07:02] <Blacken> yokobr: Stop spamming and read man mount.
[07:02] <Shyne_> who'd have thought it was so easy :)
[07:02] <jarle> yokobr: sudo mount /dev/sda /media/mac
[07:02] <greg> no, dapper
[07:02] <B-Minus> hello
[07:03] <exhale> kudos to the creator of the kubuntu theme :)
[07:03] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: if you don't believe me, fine. I'm just telling it as the devs said
[07:03] <B-Minus> when i try to install edgy the it wont work, i dont see any gfx for installation
[07:03] <B-Minus> when i do safe gfx mode the system goes to the login
[07:03] <yokobr> im getting error messages
[07:03] <livingdaylight> greg: oh. but EDGY the new release of Ubuntu has just come out today! :)
[07:03] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: Jucato is right, dude--it's not the same thing at all.
[07:03] <B-Minus> what can i try ?
[07:03] <jarle> yokobr: should ofcourse be "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/mac"
[07:03] <Blacken> B-Minus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:03] <yokobr> says that i must specify the file system
[07:03] <livingdaylight> greg: nothing wrong with Dapper of course; its supported for another 3 years
[07:03] <B-Minus> Blacken but its not installed
[07:04] <greg> yes I know :)
[07:04] <andriijas> anything new on the python locked upgrades?
[07:04] <Blacken> B-Minus: Then reinstall it.
[07:04] <jarle> yokobr: which file system is on the partition then?
[07:04] <B-Minus> thats what im try to do
[07:04] <B-Minus> i cant install it
[07:04] <yokobr> ntfs
[07:04] <greg> i'm goint to change drapper soon
[07:04] <Blacken> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg?
[07:04] <B-Minus> when i put the cd in it goes to the login
[07:04] <B-Minus> i cant install the WHOLE edgy
[07:04] <livingdaylight> Jucato: by the way can one change the K icon in the menu?
[07:04] <Jucato> livingdaylight: yes. but you have to manually do it
[07:05] <RawSewage> not knowing how to use  VIM, I totally messed up my xorg.conf .  How can I restore my xorg.conf to the way it was when I did my fresh install
[07:05] <B-Minus> i choose safe gfx mode but it puts me to login
[07:05] <livingdaylight> manuall?
[07:05] <jarle> yokobr: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/mac"
[07:05] <RawSewage> I hate VIM
[07:05] <Blacken> B-Minus: That is because Xorg does not seem to be configured right on the ISOs.
[07:05] <Blacken> B-Minus: Do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it should let you startx.
[07:05] <Jucato> livingdaylight: /usr/share/icons/<theme> and look for kmenu.png
[07:05] <livingdaylight> Jucato: like edit some script?
[07:05] <B-Minus> Blacken i c
[07:05] <Jucato> livingdaylight: it all depends on the theme you are using
[07:05] <jarle> yokobr: not sure if the write support for NTFS is 100% safe yet though...
[07:05] <exhale> this is why text install rocks
[07:05] <B-Minus> so the cds are bad ?
[07:05] <Blacken> B-Minus: The ISO I had was.
[07:05] <B-Minus> text install lol
[07:06] <Sir_Briz1> RawSewage: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:06] <B-Minus> god damn
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: I am pretty certain I could do it (if you use confmiss / confnew) and rip everything out first so only ubuntu-minimal is left upgrade libc - dist-upgrade (see where you are)
[07:06] <B-Minus> are there new isos uploaded ?
[07:06] <RawSewage> Sir_Briz1, what does that do
[07:06] <exhale> whats wrong with text install?
[07:06] <Sir_Briz1> RawSewage: should let you setup xorg with the wizard instead of by hand :)
[07:06] <yokobr> no, its not
[07:06] <yokobr> i will change to fat
[07:06] <RawSewage> Sir_Briz1, ty
[07:06] <Sir_Briz1> RawSewage: np
[07:06] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: well, yes, at that point you could. But what's the point?
[07:07] <B-Minus> exhale whats the command for text install
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: faster - only takes a few aptitude regular expressions to get rid of that stuff
[07:08] <B-Minus> Blacken after i do dpkg do i need to do something to start the wizzard ?
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: (don't have to download all of dapper only to not use it)
[07:08] <exhale> B-Minus: you download the alternative ISO and install from there
[07:08] <B-Minus> shijet
[07:09] <B-Minus> why isnt it just working dapper worked fine
[07:09] <livingdaylight> Jucato: don't have a themes folder after /usr/share/icons
[07:09] <Blacken> B-Minus: You need to run startx
[07:09] <B-Minus> ok
[07:09] <B-Minus> tnx
[07:09] <B-Minus> gonna reboot
[07:09] <B-Minus> if its not working i download the alternate
[07:09] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I said <theme>, which stands for "insert icon theme name here"
[07:10] <Jucato> livingdaylight: in the case of Kubuntu, that would be crystalsvg
[07:10] <livingdaylight> Jucato: so i just dump a preferred icon there
[07:10] <Jucato> livingdaylight: no.
[07:10] <livingdaylight> Jucato: crystalsvg?
[07:11] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yes, i see it cystalsvg
[07:11] <livingdaylight> Jucato: and what would i do in there?
[07:11] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I meant, you have to replace the kmenu.png icon for each of the sizes
[07:11] <livingdaylight> Jucato: insert my preferred icon?
[07:12] <Ademan> i either want to carve tux or the bsd-daemon into a pumpkin, anyone know where i might find cutouts?
[07:12] <Jucato> you have to look for each kmenu.png and replace it with your preferred icon, which you have to rename to kmenu.png
[07:12] <Ademan> hrm google seems to know better than i expected
[07:13] <livingdaylight> Jucato: in index.theme? where?
[07:13] <Jucato> livingdaylight: told you it was a bit complicated
[07:13] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yea :p
[07:13] <livingdaylight> Jucato: my poor head. i don't see the kmenu.png
[07:13] <Jucato> livingdaylight: there are different icon size: 128x128, 64x64, etc
[07:14] <lizandro> is anybody from mexico?
[07:14] <Jucato> you have to go into those folders, the into the app/ folder and look for kmenu.png
[07:14] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yea, but there are further folders in there
[07:14] <livingdaylight> Jucato: in which of those folders do i eventually find the kmenu.png?
[07:14] <Jucato> livingdaylight: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/<size>/apps/kmenu.png
[07:14] <livingdaylight> there are further folders called actions
[07:14] <Jucato> where size stands for the different sizes
[07:15] <livingdaylight> Jucato: now were talking
[07:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: at least now i know where it is
[07:16] <Jucato> heh
[07:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: the next trickis replacing it with teh desired object which has to be of a certain size etc
[07:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: yea, i know where the kmenu.png is
[07:16] <livingdaylight> Jucato: but replacing it is the real complicated part i bet
[07:16] <Jucato> livingdaylight: I suggest that you don't edit that folder directly...
[07:16] <Jucato> since you'd have to be root
[07:17] <cox377> does anyone here stream media onto there kubuntu machine from another machine on their network?
[07:17] <Jucato> livingdaylight: or don't delete kmenu.png but rename it to something else
[07:18] <livingdaylight> Jucato: have to find an icon i prefer and want to replace the k with anyhow first
[07:18] <MasterEvilAce> KUUUBUNNNTUUUUUUUU!!!
[07:18] <ibert> hey girls & guys. As I wause Kubuntu now for a while, and I see all those upgrade instructions from dapper to edgy, I wonder why the power of the gnu tools isn't promoted a bit more. Everywhere I find: "change all dapper to edgy" - and no tip how this can be done fast and smart: sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list 's/dapper/edgy/g' ....
[07:18] <Kim^J> Why can't you get hardcopies of Edgy eft ???
[07:18] <Kim^J> For free. As I got Dapper for free.
[07:18] <Jucato> Kim^J: because Edgy Eft isn't LTS
[07:19] <Kim^J> Oh... So you can only get Free hardcopies of LTS ?
[07:19] <Jucato> Kim^J: while LTS is still supported, yes. *But&
[07:19] <cox377> media anyone?
[07:19] <Jucato> but, hard copies will be given out to some LoCo (Local Communities)
[07:20] <Kim^J> Ok
[07:20] <cox377> Jucato: i'm sure u as always will know the answer to this ;)
[07:20] <cox377> !streaming media
[07:20] <Kim^J> I can still buy the Edgy hardcopy right?
[07:20] <Jucato> cox377: no I don't. sorry
[07:20] <livingdaylight> Kim^J: what do you mean, hardcopy?
[07:20] <Jucato> Kim^J: buy? probably. I'm just not sure where
[07:20] <cox377> !streaming
[07:20] <Jucato> livingdaylight: pressed copy
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about streaming - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <Kim^J> livingdaylight: The "real" discs...
[07:21] <cox377> !stream
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stream - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <Kim^J> !media
[07:21] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:21] <livingdaylight> Kim^J: well, it was only released today, so they have to make them still
[07:21] <Kim^J> livingdaylight: I know that...
[07:21] <Kim^J> =)
[07:21] <livingdaylight> Kim^J: then they will ship'em if that is what you mean
[07:21] <Kim^J> Ok.. Great.
[07:21] <Jucato> livingdaylight: regardless, they won't be available through Shipit
[07:22] <Kim^J> Cause I'm thinking of gettint ALOT of them and spread the word of Ubuntu in local pc stores.
[07:22] <Jucato> Kim^J: it would probably be better if you spread the more stable release :P
[07:22] <Kim^J> Jucato: Dapper then! :D
[07:22] <Kim^J> Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 for the Swedish people!
[07:23] <Jucato> Kim^J: which you can still order for free!! Imagine that! :)
[07:23] <lizandro> hey! can someone help me to install amsn? i already downloaded it, but it can't install
[07:23] <andriijas> Kim^J: swedish sux, i use english
[07:23] <Jucato> they can always upgrade if they like it :)
[07:23] <Kim^J> lizandro: WHy not Kopete ?
[07:23] <Kim^J> andriijas: Duuhh... I LIVE in Sweden.
[07:23] <DasKreech> What's a goodpackage to install from source?
[07:23] <andriijas> Kim^J: duuuhh me too
[07:23] <Kim^J> DasKreech: SDLJump ?
[07:23] <Jucato> DaSkreech: KDE :P
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: good or hard ?
[07:24] <livingdaylight> Jucato: who says they won't shipit EDGY?
[07:24] <exhale> i installed COMPIZ on kubuntu, how do i enable it?
[07:24] <Kim^J> andriijas: I know... I use English... But I wanted to spread the word of Ubuntu... Ie Ubuntu CDs. I don't give **** about the lang of the cds...
[07:24] <Kim^J> exhale: DUnno... manual
[07:24] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Ubuntu/Canonical did
[07:25] <Kim^J> Edgy is more of a quick made release.
[07:25] <livingdaylight> Jucato: ooops...i assumed that like every previous release they will send it free.
[07:25] <Jucato> livingdaylight: they didn't have LTS before
[07:25] <Jucato> what's the use of having a Long Term Support release, if you don't support its long term shipping...
[07:25] <livingdaylight> Jucato: my friend was at the LInux EXpo in London yesterday, and i got the impression that the reason he couldnt get a hardcopy of edgy was that they weren't printed yet
[07:26] <livingdaylight> Jucato: but that they were going to but that he had to download the iso in the meantime
[07:26] <livingdaylight> Jucato: choice :D
[07:27] <Jucato> livingdaylight: well, it still wouldn't be printed, too. but like I said, some LoCo's will be given the pressed CD's
[07:27] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Easy
[07:27] <livingdaylight> Jucato: couldn't people when selecting the shipit cd ask and choose Dapper or EDGY?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Jucato: man if you weren't so handy I'd backhand you
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Kim^J: What does that rely on?
[07:27] <livingdaylight> Jucato: who would be my nearest one if i'm in London (which i am) :)
[07:27] <Kim^J> DaSkreech: SDL ?
[07:28] <Jucato> livingdaylight: ask Canonical. I'm just saying what they've decided already
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Kim^J: I was hoping for something with as little prerequistes as possibe
[07:28] <Kim^J> oh ok...
[07:28] <Jucato> livingdaylight: ask Jonathan Riddel. he's the nearest to you
[07:28] <Kim^J> Compile BASH then! :D
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: xen
[07:28] <DaSkreech> gcc :)
[07:28] <lizandro> thaks for the tip Kim
[07:28] <Jucato> DaSkreech: GNU Hello, then :P
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Jucato: sexcellent. Where's that ?
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: gcc as a cross complier is quite interesting to do
[07:29] <Jucato> !hello | DaSkreech
[07:29] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[07:29] <cox377> are you seriously telling me that no one here streams media from another computer to there kubuntu/ubuntu machine?
[07:29] <Jucato> DaSkreech ^^^
[07:29] <livingdaylight> Jucato: downloaded ubuntu desktop and alternate cd's using mirrors now. BUt just to be a teamplayer i'm now moving on to the kubuntu cd's and using bittorrent
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> cox377: use mpd
[07:30] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you know, you can use those same ISO's to upload in the torrent
[07:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato: using ktorrent, but i don't see expected time of download
[07:30] <cox377> !mpd
[07:30] <ubotu> mpd: Music Player Daemon, the name says it all. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.5-5.1 (dapper), package size 96 kB, installed size 332 kB
[07:30] <nigmac> Hi!
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Neato
[07:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato: that's what i'm doing
[07:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato: where is Jonathon?
[07:31] <livingdaylight> how do i get in touch with Jonathon Riedell?
[07:31] <cox377> h3sp4wn: cheers for that, taking a look now
[07:31] <nigmac> Does kubuntu edgy have a suspend option in the KDE log out menu?
[07:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Riddell, he's main dev of Kubuntu. hired by Canonical :P
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> cox377: there is different front ends for it (web / text client probably others)
[07:31] <livingdaylight> coz like Kim i wanna get a whole bunch of these cd's and put 'em around town
[07:32] <livingdaylight> but not Dapper
[07:32] <livingdaylight> EDGY EFT
[07:32] <livingdaylight> I wanna take people right to the EDGE with EFT
[07:32] <[GuS] > hey guys...
[07:32] <livingdaylight> wassup [
[07:32] <[GuS] > why in Edgy final, for amd64 the usplash is the same?
[07:32] <cox377> h3sp4wn: cheers, all i want to do is stream media to this kubuntu machine from a media server on my network, but when it asks for the location of media i can't navigate to the mounted drives.
[07:33] <nigmac> Anybody here running kubuntu Edgy? Could you see if there is a suspend option in the KDE log out menu please?
[07:33] <andriijas> yeah baby! guess whos fixed the problem with python kept back in apt-get dist-upgrade to edgy
[07:33] <[GuS] > yes there is NightBird
[07:33] <[GuS] > nigmac, *
[07:33] <[GuS] > sorry Nigh :P
[07:33] <Jucato> nigmac: I only have hibernate
[07:33] <NightBird> sokay
[07:33] <DaSkreech> I have hibernate
[07:34] <nigmac> Jucato: Yes, hibernate/ suspend, same thing. Its in then? Great!
[07:36] <Jucato> livingdaylight: isn't Canonical supposed to be near you?
[07:36] <livingdaylight> Jucato: well, i'd love to know where they are!
[07:36] <Jucato> livingdaylight: Isle of Man?
[07:36] <RawSewage> my monitor only shows 1 refresh rate of 85 Hz  .  I dont want it to refresh that fast.  How do I add another lower value
[07:37] <deema> why not?
[07:37] <livingdaylight> Jucato: maybe i could get a job making Mark's coffee!?
[07:37] <RawSewage> deema, me?
[07:37] <deema> yes
[07:37] <RawSewage> I dont want to overwork my monitor
[07:37] <deema> I run mine at 100 hz...
[07:37] <deema> and 144
[07:37] <deema> easier on eyes
[07:37] <RawSewage> how old is it
[07:37] <deema> 2-3 years
[07:37] <livingdaylight> Jucato: isle of man really? well that if far from london. Infact that is off the coast of britain - coz its an island as teh word isle suggests :p
[07:38] <deema> probably 2
[07:38] <Jucato> livingdaylight: ah ok. but still within reach.. I guesss lol :)
[07:38] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: ping?
[07:38] <Peterre3r> where can i find a german kubuntu channel?
[07:39] <LjL> !de
[07:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:39] <ypsila> Peterre3r: #kubuntu-de :-)
[07:39] <Peterre3r> ok thx ^
[07:39] <livingdaylight> Jucato: so is Canada, just got to get on a plane or a boat
[07:39] <ypsila> Peterre3r: :-) herzlich willkommen!
[07:39] <Jucato> ok ok.. sorry :)
[07:39] <livingdaylight> Jucato: people go to the Isle of Man because it is a tax haven
[07:39] <Jucato> livingdaylight: so I've heard
[07:40] <nigmac> beat me to it! (The tax haven bit)
[07:40] <t3hwiz0rd-server> hmmm
[07:40] <nigmac> where can I see a list of packages included on the kubuntu CD/ DVD?
[07:41] <livingdaylight> Jucato: torrent is much slower. got 1:58 left on kubuntu edgy-desktop
[07:41] <Jucato> livingdaylight: are you downloading or uploading?
[07:41] <lizandro> Does anyone know how to install iftop in kubuntu 6?
[07:41] <livingdaylight> Jucato: downloading
[07:41] <RawSewage> deema, 85 Hz ... does that refer to vertical or horizontal
[07:41] <livingdaylight> Jucato: well, both
[07:41] <livingdaylight> Jucato: ? :s
[07:41] <Jucato> livingdaylight: err.. why? I thought your download was already finished?
[07:41] <deema> haha, I don't know
[07:42] <livingdaylight> Jucato: that was Ubuntu
[07:42] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i want my Kubuntu cd's too
[07:42] <Jucato> aah
[07:42] <Dasnipa`> woo at 55% download noticable slower after the slashdot post was made
[07:42] <lizandro> the messase error is the following:
[07:42] <RawSewage> deema, probably vertical
[07:43] <Dasnipa`> lizandro, kubuntu 6?
[07:43] <livingdaylight> Jucato: i like how in Ktorrent the white box that tells how much has been downloaded, starts to slowly fill up.
[07:44] <lizandro> 2.6.15-26-386 this is my kernel version
[07:44] <lizandro> and i want to install iftop making an apt-get install iftop
[07:45] <lizandro> but the message error tells me that this packet depends on libpcap0.7
[07:47] <lizandro> but is  uninstallable
[07:47] <deema> how good or bad of an idea is it to have both KDE and Gnome on Ubuntu?
[07:47] <Dasnipa`> not a bad idea at all
[07:47] <Sir_Briz1> neither good nor bad
[07:47] <Dasnipa`> nothing wrong either way
[07:48] <deema> is there a difference installing Kubuntu, and then Gnome, or Installing Ubuntu, and then KDE? I want it to be as trouble-free as possible
[07:48] <Dasnipa`> deema, no difference
[07:49] <deema> you sure?
[07:49] <Dannilion> I have Gnome, KDE and XFCE on my desktop :P
[07:49] <franjesus> deema: i think you'll get different display manager
[07:49] <franjesus> gdm
[07:49] <franjesus> kdm
[07:49] <franjesus> xdm...
[07:49] <franjesus> not that it can't be changed
[07:49] <jarle> deema: One of the differences is which *dm is default (gdm for ubuntu and kdm for Kubuntu)
[07:49] <deema> what's the difference?
[07:50] <franjesus> practically
[07:50] <franjesus> none
[07:50] <Dasnipa`> yeah i guess thats true. but you can change the default very easily
[07:50] <PenguinistaKC> You can change which display manager is default
[07:50] <PenguinistaKC> Not an issue
[07:50] <deema> what's a display manager?
[07:50] <deema> hehe
[07:50] <franjesus> the screen were you put login and password
[07:50] <deema> ah, okay
[07:50] <franjesus> and then launches kde or gnome or...
[07:50] <deema> is that the only difference then?
[07:50] <franjesus> i think so
[07:51] <jarle> so do I...
[07:51] <deema> oh yeah, the logo is different
[07:51] <deema> :)
[07:51] <franjesus> that can be changed too :P
[07:51] <deema> can it :-)
[07:51] <franjesus> you mean bootup logo
[07:51] <deema> yep
[07:51] <franjesus> yes
[07:52] <deema> how much extra space does installing KDE on top of Ubuntu take?
[07:52] <franjesus> letmecheck
[07:53] <franjesus> 390MB for me
[07:53] <franjesus> of course i have many more kde things installed
[07:53] <deema> like what?
[07:54] <deema> programs?
[07:54] <franjesus> koffice
[07:54] <deema> okay
[07:54] <zorglu_> franjesus: how did you obtains this number ? is there a apt command ?
[07:54] <franjesus> sudo apt-get remove kdelibs4c2a
[07:54] <franjesus> :-)
[07:54] <deema> :-)
[07:55] <franjesus> by windows standards kde is quite light
[07:56] <franjesus> considering all the functionality included
[07:57] <deema> what do you guys think the marketshare of KDE vs GNOME is?
[07:58] <exhale> i think KDE has it buy a pretty big margain
[07:58] <exhale> but now that the 3 top distros use gnome i guess it'll go down a bit
[07:59] <deema> it's Mythbusters!
[07:59] <DaSkreech> exhale: we Bought margin?
[07:59] <Mythbusters> ciao deema
[07:59] <exhale> DaSkreech: that was a horrible typo :(
[07:59] <deema> what?
[07:59] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:59] <deema> oh lol
[07:59] <deema> so any other opinions
[08:00] <exhale> what are you looking for, citizen? :D
[08:00] <DaSkreech> deema: You need to learn that the battle isn't KDE vs Gnome though
[08:00] <deema> ?
[08:00] <exhale> its all free software, its all good
[08:00] <exhale> :)
[08:01] <felixjet> can i run macromedia flash 8 on wine? anyone tested out?
[08:01] <tommy> hi
[08:02] <exhale> flash 9 beta is out if you missed that
[08:02] <tommy> whats the best way to install firefox on kubuntu ?
[08:02] <exhale> tomy sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:02] <exhale> tommy*
[08:02] <tommy> i see firefox, mozillia, mozilla-firefox, i see them ALL in adept
[08:02] <exhale> i just used firefox
[08:02] <exhale> and i got 2.0
[08:02] <tommy> i see
[08:02] <tommy> wtf
[08:02] <tommy> really
[08:02] <exhale> eh yea
[08:02] <deema> what's the difference? firefox vs mozilla-firefox ??
[08:03] <exhale> that i do not know
[08:03] <tommy> is there a difference between apt-get and aptitude ?
[08:03] <deema> that's also something I'd like to know
[08:03] <arriesp> ora engo
[08:03] <exhale> tommy: yes, aptitude is a bit more advanced
[08:03] <deema> I hear aptitude is better
[08:03] <redphoenix> !rar
[08:03] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[08:03] <tommy> hmm
[08:03] <tommy> more advanced
[08:03] <exhale> !aptitude
[08:03] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[08:04] <exhale> if you dont know what it is you dont have to use it :p
[08:04] <exhale> apt-get in edgy does the same thing now, to remove the dependencies of the program simply type apt-get autoremove *program*
[08:04] <deema> oh really
[08:04] <TheGateKeeper> is it possible to install firefox 1.5 in edgy?
[08:05] <tommy> tnx
[08:05] <tommy> what about adept
[08:05] <tommy> i like that
[08:05] <exhale> adept sucks
[08:06] <exhale> lol
[08:06] <tommy> :
[08:06] <exhale> but use it if you like it
[08:06] <tommy> doesnt it use apt-get ?
[08:06] <tommy> or aptitude
[08:06] <exhale> i think so ,why?
[08:06] <tommy> no reason
[08:06] <LjL> no, it doesn't
[08:06] <LjL> it uses the APT backend. it is just a frontend like apt-get and aptitude themselves are
[08:07] <jende_> LjL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html  <- here is the fix
[08:07] <dhq_> !sources
[08:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:07] <dhq_> !source
[08:07] <tommy> ic
[08:08] <LjL> cool jende_
[08:08] <jende_> LjL: I posted that link to you, so that some more people do have the link to give support in here, if neccessary
[08:09] <jende_> I've bookmarked it anyway
[08:10] <odla> is there a way to make konqueror look like the default konqueror in any other distro?
[08:10] <cellofellow> Is it safe to use the repos to update to edgy right now, or are they kind of overloaded?
[08:10] <theresa> heya
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> odla: maybe remove kubuntu-settings (I think it is called) that should give you a standard kde (if it works right)
[08:11] <theresa> anyone upgraded to showfoto yet?
[08:11] <theresa> anyone upgraded to edgy yet?
[08:11] <theresa> ooops ;)
[08:11] <RawSewage> is 85 mhz bad for my monitor
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: crt or lcd ?
[08:11] <RawSewage> is 85 Hz bad for my monitor
[08:11] <odla> yeah i'm pondering migrating from debian unstable to kubuntu
[08:11] <RawSewage> crt
[08:12] <exhale> no
[08:12] <exhale> what resolution are you using ?
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: with a crt I would run it at 85hz always if I could at that res
[08:12] <RawSewage> The monitor is over 6 years old
[08:12] <RawSewage> I dont want to overtax it
[08:12] <exhale> h3sp4wn: you shure? i would run it at 60hz half the time and 85hz
[08:12] <RawSewage> it's a good monitor
[08:12] <exhale> RawSewage: your fine, if it supports 85hz it does
[08:12] <exhale> and use it at that
[08:13] <RawSewage> is 85hz horizontal or vertical
[08:13] <exhale> dont know
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> exhale: 60hz hurts eyes on an lcd
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> exhale: 60hz hurts eyes on an crt (sorry)
[08:13] <LjL> !oofix | jende_
[08:13] <ubotu> jende_: If your OpenOffice.org is showing very serious bugs (such as extremely frequent crashes), you might try the packages mentioned at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html  -  these are experimental, so do NOT try if OpenOffice.org is working well for you.
[08:13] <exhale> h3sp4wn: i was being ironic :P
[08:13] <RawSewage> h3sp4wn,  is 85hz horizontal or vertical
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> exhale: failed
[08:13] <exhale> h3sp4wn: yes you failed
[08:13] <theresa> hello! is it just a coincidence that "showfoto" isn't integrated or available for edgy eft?
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> exhale: whatever
[08:14] <cellofellow> I'm at the shell, using screen and irssi, is there a way to lock the screen like one does in KDE so noone can do anything?
[08:14] <RawSewage> The refresh rate that people set:  is that vertical or horizontal
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: verticle
[08:15] <jende_> LjL: since I've installed them neither Writer nor Base crashes
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> RawSewage: vertical
[08:15] <RawSewage> ty
[08:15] <RawSewage> I have  (EV700 Horizontal, 30 to 69 kHz; Vertical, 50 Hz to 120Hz)
[08:16] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: I would suspect so
[08:16] <deema> how can I save my settings if I want to reinstall?
[08:16] <me> hi there. is there a method to let linux start a file everytimes with a specific application
[08:17] <RawSewage> yes
[08:17] <RawSewage> right-click it, select Properties
[08:17] <RawSewage> then click the Wrench
[08:17] <DaSkreech> cellofellow: PLug out the keyboard >_<
[08:18] <me> yeea ty very much
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> deema: get package list with something like diff <(find / | sort) <(cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | sort)
[08:18] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: I asked also in #ubuntu & they say use backports
[08:18] <deema> what's that do?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> deema: what do
[08:19] <deema> h3sp4wn's response
[08:19] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: or dpkg --get-selections ?
[08:19] <tommy> wtf
[08:19] <tommy> i downloaded xmms with adept and it only downloaded version 1.2.10
[08:19] <tommy> that version is 2 y old
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: thats not as interesting a way though ``dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' | sort -n'' (that is another way)
[08:20] <DaSkreech> xmms has been dead for a while
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper> nobling all the extensions everytime Firefox release a new version is pretty stupid :-(
[08:20] <tommy> hmm ic
[08:20] <DaSkreech>  The xmms fork bmp is still alive or you can break into the secrect society of xmms2
[08:20] <RawSewage> why is XMMS dead
[08:20] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Actually it's pretty smart
[08:22] <deema> okay but I'm still confused
[08:22] <tommy> is there a way to get my fonts as sharp as in windows ?
[08:22] <tommy> they seem to be blurry
[08:23] <deema> how can I save my settings if I want to reinstall Ubuntu
[08:23] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: well it is if you piss your customer base off
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> deema: just give you a list of installed packages (there is loads of ways to do it)
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Well if the extensions are compatible they still work
[08:23] <deema> what?
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> deema: do you have a seperate partition for /home ?
[08:23] <DaSkreech>  if you want you can update yours
[08:23] <deema> I'm not sure!
[08:23] <deema> how do I find out?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> grep home /etc/fstab
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> deema: ^^
[08:24] <deema> what?
[08:24] <deema> I still don't understand
[08:25] <DaSkreech> deema: run that command
[08:25] <DaSkreech> say hooray if it responds :)
[08:25] <deema> nothing happens
[08:25] <DaSkreech> otherwise type /me mopes
[08:26] <deema> no such file or directory
[08:26] <DaSkreech> deema: Oh no I meant here in IRC :)
[08:26] <DaSkreech> type /me mopes
[08:26] <theresa> hello! is it just a coincidence that "showfoto" isn't integrated or available for edgy eft?
[08:26] <deema> ?
[08:27] <DaSkreech> deema: :-) You just learnt one of the important lessons of Unix
[08:27] <DaSkreech> make a home partiton
[08:28] <deema> alright, now...
[08:28] <deema> I see GAIM has its prefs in /etc
[08:28] <deema> how do  I save those?
[08:28] <deema> if  i want to reinstall ubuntu
[08:28] <deema> for all the other programs
[08:28] <DaSkreech> deema: save your ~ and /etc folders to a CD I guess
[08:29] <deema> yes, but isn't it a bad idea to save ALL?
[08:30] <dhq_> !source
[08:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:31] <dhq_> how do i get the sources
[08:31] <DaSkreech> deema: yeah but it's safer
[08:31] <dhq_> !sorce-o-matic
[08:31] <DaSkreech>  you don
[08:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sorce-o-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:31] <DaSkreech>  you don't have to RESTORE all
[08:32] <deema> how do I know which to restore?
[08:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:34] <DaSkreech> can't I su to a user and run a command on a single line
[08:34] <DaSkreech> like su user <something> $(profit) ?
[08:35] <Lam_> lol
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Lam_: +1 "_"
[08:35] <gimp__> I am trying to setup cacti.  when I try to connect to http:/server/cacti it asks me if i want to open or save phtml file. I dont know what to try next...Help PLease!!
[08:35] <Lam_> i'd personally go about using sudo or kdesu unless you have a specific reason to run something under another user
[08:36] <Lam_> which you might.
[08:36] <DaSkreech> su mand -c label Server  ServerBackup1
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Something to that effect?
[08:37] <yonkeltron> what do i need to install on 6.10 in order to play mp3s?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> !mp3
[08:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:37] <dhq_> fdoving: can you please paste your edgy sourcelist on pastebin
[08:39] <dhq_> 
[08:39] <dhq_>   l
[08:39] <fdoving> dhq_: sure. problems?
[08:39] <dhq_> fdoving: thanx
[08:39] <yonkeltron> DaSkreech: that doesn't cover kubuntu 6.10
[08:40] <DaSkreech> installing libxine-extracodecs should keep you frosty
[08:40] <yonkeltron> DaSkreech: it's not available
[08:41] <DaSkreech> yonkeltron: you need to enable multiverse
[08:41] <DaSkreech> !multiverse > yonkeltron
[08:41] <RawSewage> what was the name of that Disk Space taskbar utilitiy.  I thought it was fdisk
[08:41] <yonkeltron> i did that all already
[08:41] <deema> how big should my home partition be on a 10 GB HD?
[08:42] <Sidebar> I never knew linux was so awesome... I feel so comfortable with my desktop now, especially with KXDocker, it's so customized I just need to find somewhere to get a theme for my desktop now :)
[08:42] <jhutchins_wk> deema: Depends on what you're gonna do with the system
[08:42] <deema> average
[08:42] <jhutchins_wk> deema: I usually don't separate my home from the system.
[08:43] <deema> why not?
[08:43] <RawSewage> damn.  what the name of that app that sits in the taskbar.  icon is 3 color circles.  you click it and it shows how much space you have on all your drives
[08:43] <gimp__> I am trying to setup cacti.  when I try to connect to http:/server/cacti it asks me if i want to open or save phtml file. I dont know what to try next...Help PLease!!
[08:43] <jhutchins_wk> Well, I find that the more seperate partitions you have, the more likely you are to be out of space on one and have plenty on another.  If you make it all the same partition, you have all of your space available.
[08:43] <robin> if have been trying cedega all day. It plays all my kids windows games all most perfect
[08:43] <jhutchins_wk> I usually just have a seperate swap partition.
[08:44] <jhutchins_wk> A lot of people will also make /boot seperate.
[08:44] <robin> i see no need for windwos now
[08:44] <jhutchins_wk> /boot's size is pretty consistent unless you add a LOT of different kernels.
[08:44] <deema> robin:which games?
[08:45] <jhutchins_wk> deema: If you want a seperate home though, I'd just go with the default that the installer suggests.
[08:45] <fdoving> dhq_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28485/
[08:45] <robin> starcraft, mooaa- guild wars- and seeverial others
[08:45] <deema> and they all play fine by default?
[08:45] <dhq_> fdoving: thanx
[08:45] <robin> ya
[08:45] <deema> cool
[08:46] <mato_> what do you using instead of Total Comander?
[08:46] <cango> help i cant my musics
[08:46] <B-Minus> hello
[08:46] <cango> help i cant listen my musics
[08:46] <robin> i was really happy with how well cedega plays windows games
[08:46] <fdoving> dhq_: without comments: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28486/
[08:47] <ws_Trent> cango, mp3s/oggs?  what media player?
[08:47] <deema> cedega is not free, though, right?
[08:47] <Electrolyte> Well, the upgrade to Kubuntu Edgy not only screwed up my install but I lost 4 RAM sticks as well.
[08:47] <fdoving> mato_: krusader
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[08:48] <deema> what do you mean, robin?
[08:48] <RawSewage> Whats the name of that app that sits in your tray as a 3-colored-circle icon.  when you click it, it shows how much hard drive space you have left?
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[08:48] <mato_> fdoving:And are you satisfied with it?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> deema: you can compile it yourself for free
[08:48] <gsuveg> re
[08:48] <deema> wait... electrolyte got his ram sticks fried by edgy?
[08:48] <gsuveg> guidance not works for me :(
[08:48] <Electrolyte> Well, I can use the system, but many apps are messed up and fglrx doesn't work.
[08:48] <B-Minus> hmm
[08:49] <B-Minus> my applications are downloading much slower now
[08:49] <Electrolyte> Well deema - it appears they died straight after the startup into Edgy then rebooted.
[08:49] <B-Minus> is it because of edgy ?
[08:49] <fdoving> mato_: i don't use it. I just know it's there.
[08:49] <deema> electrolyte, you sure?
[08:49] <deema> they are actually damaged?
[08:49] <Electrolyte> Yes, because I'm using 4x 256MB now and they're fine.
[08:49] <Electrolyte> Nothing would with with the other 4 sticks.
[08:49] <deema> that's crazy!
[08:49] <Electrolyte> Which was 4x 512MB.
[08:50] <RawSewage> Ok, I think it's part of kdf
[08:50] <RawSewage> in fact I know it is now
[08:51] <deema> any idea why edgy fried your ram?
[08:51] <cango> ws_Trent: mp3s
[08:52] <B-Minus> since i upgraded to edgy my bootup takes much longer, at 40 % at the progress bar it keeps there, no hd activity, then it continues
[08:52] <BrightEyes`> How can i format a partition in fat32 (vfat) using Kubuntu? (any programs with gui to do that operation)
[08:52] <Napa> kan anyone please help me installing plugins for aMSN ?
[08:53] <Joskar> Stupid question maybe, but have anyone tried the Edgy version (6.10) ?
[08:53] <RawSewage> KwikDisk
[08:53] <RawSewage> Yes
[08:53] <RawSewage> I did a fresh install of Edgy
[08:53] <Joskar> ...can't get the LiveCD to work correctly :/
[08:53] <cango> ws_Trent: my mp3s
[08:53] <Electrolyte> [19:51:04]  <deema> any idea why edgy fried your ram? <-- No.
[08:54] <ws_Trent> cango, what media player are you using?
[08:54] <RawSewage> Joskar, no idea
[08:54] <yonkeltron> !zeroconf
[08:54] <ubotu> zeroconf: IPv4 link-local address allocator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 39 kB, installed size 132 kB
[08:54] <deema> okay that's really weird about the ram....
[08:54] <gsuveg> Joskar: whats your problem?
[08:54] <Joskar> It's probalby working correctly (I hear sounds and stuff :) ), but I just get a blank screen :(
[08:54] <gsuveg> Napa: me works the msn
[08:54] <cango> ws_Trent: my mp3s
[08:54] <deema> okay cango wants to know how to play mp3s
[08:54] <Joskar> (with the white BIOS cursor at the top left)
[08:55] <cango> ws_Trent: amarok
[08:55] <deema> somebody help him?
[08:55] <ws_Trent> cango, try XMMS maybe...  that should be able to run MP3s out of the box
[08:55] <ws_Trent> I've never used amarok myself
[08:55] <cango> but i don't know install on my linux
[08:55] <ws_Trent> so I probably can't help you with it
[08:55] <cango> ws_Trent: but i don't know install on my linux
[08:55] <ws_Trent> cango, you're using kubuntu, right?
[08:56] <cango> ws_Trent: yeah
[08:56] <TheGateKeeper> cango: you using the xine engine, have you installed libxine-extracodecs ?
[08:56] <ws_Trent> cango, open a terminal and apt-get install xmms, or go to the synaptic package manager and get xmms there
[08:56] <cango> ws_Trent: i really need libxine
[08:56] <Napa> gsuve: but where shall i put the files?
[08:56] <BrightEyes`> KwikDisk <- the program to format partitions etc?
[08:57] <RawSewage> KwikDisk is an icon in your tray that you click, and you can see how much space you have on all your drives
[08:57] <ws_Trent> cango:  never messed with libxine myself, but according to what TheGateKeeper says, you may be able to apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[08:57] <RawSewage> KwikDisk is part of kdf
[08:57] <RawSewage> you install kdf
[08:58] <B-Minus> in dapper i could see at boot procedure what was going on, now the only thing i see is a progressbar, can i change this ?
[08:58] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i dont find kdf in Adept. what can i do? im very new
[08:58] <Pensacola> I can't seem to get my monitor refresh rate up :s
[08:58] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, did you enable universe and multiverse
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> ws_Trent: cango I use amarok, xine engine & libxine-extracodecs & I can play mp3 no problem, I also installed w32codecs just for good measure
[08:58] <B-Minus> is there a log somewhere from what happened during bootup ?
[08:59] <Sanne> cango: if you need help with installing software on kubuntu, might I suggest taking a look at the fine Kubuntu Desktop Guide that is available under Kmenu->Help, also lots of other fine info there.
[08:59] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: how do i do that, and what is universe and multiverse? i have root access to the machine
[08:59] <cango> ws_Trent: i did it a month ago but i forgot it. 1 month ago like codes about config
[08:59] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, in Adept, click Adept at theupper left, and select Manage Repos
[09:00] <yonkeltron> why would zeroconf not be working on kubuntu
[09:00] <yonkeltron> ?
[09:00] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage:  i cant see anything like that
[09:00] <RawSewage> !repos
[09:00] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:00] <jhutchins_wk> How are the mirrors handling the load of the relase?
[09:01] <RawSewage> Does anyone know what's the best guide for telling people how to enable universe multiverse in the repos
[09:01] <Hawkwind> jhutchins_wk: Same as all releases, they are getting slammed
[09:01] <RawSewage> it's too hard to explain on IRC
[09:01] <Hawkwind> !repos > RawSewage
[09:01] <RawSewage> no
[09:02] <cango> is anybody help me
[09:02] <RawSewage> thats too complicated
[09:02] <jende_> !repos | RawSewage
[09:02] <ubotu> RawSewage: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:02] <exclude> I cannot reach the web rihj
[09:02] <cango> about my mp3's
[09:02] <Sanne> cango: if you need help with installing software on kubuntu, might I suggest taking a look at the fine Kubuntu Desktop Guide that is available under Kmenu->Help, also lots of other fine info there.
[09:02] <jende_> cango: whats the prob with your mp3's
[09:02] <jende_> !mp3
[09:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:02] <exclude> right now, but my ati card is completely fubarred with the upgrade, it seems,
[09:02] <Sanne> cango: there's also info about multimedia
[09:02] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, so read those links
[09:03] <cango> sanne amarok start mp's and eq down
[09:03] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: How is that too complicated ??
[09:03] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: It doesn't get any easier than that to be honest
[09:03] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: RawSewage : thanks
[09:03] <exclude> any hints (please no weblinks, cannot access webpages right now, kio_http is borked)
[09:03] <Sanne> cango: I don't understand what you're saying...
[09:03] <jende_> RawSewage: let em pastebin their sources using kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and help them by modifying the sources.list
[09:03] <exclude> somehow my xserver does not load anymore.
[09:04] <Joskar> ...no-one has a clue on why my screen is black when I try to boot Kubuntu 6.10? (even in 'safe-graphics mode')
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: wget'ing a correct sources.list with everything enabled would be easier
[09:04] <RawSewage> I hate where you have to manaully type in  multiverse after universe
[09:04] <cango> sanne: amarok start mp's and equalizer's down
[09:04] <RawSewage> SEems like they couldve made that a bit easier by now
[09:04] <RawSewage> since everyone has to do it
[09:04] <RawSewage> inclucing auntbertha@aol.com
[09:04] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: So write a script or an app and submit it to the distro
[09:05] <Sanne> cango: ah :). I don't use amarok, sorry, so I dun't know what could be the problem. I use xmms for playing mp3.
[09:05] <gimp__> I have installed PHP but cant get it to work...Can anyone hepl please???
[09:05] <RawSewage> Im not a programmer.  just seems like something thats badly needed
[09:05] <joakim> h i i have download Edgy to day but i cant make a source list on http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic. whay is not edgy ther?
[09:05] <cango> sanne: i write some codes on my laptop about one month ago.
[09:05] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i did that and fetched updates but still it doesnt find kdf. any suggestions?
[09:05] <jende_> RawSewage: I'll make cmdline kinda thing, if that'll help you on the wekkend
[09:05] <jhutchins_wk> RawSewage: I'll bet it wouldn't be hard to do with sed.
[09:05] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, you also have to manually add to the universe ones multiverse.  So it says:  universe multiverse
[09:06] <Sanne> gimp__: there's a nice wiki page, I'll find it for you. sec.
[09:06] <jhutchins_wk> RawSewage: The whole point is for you to take responsibility for the change since you're enabling non-distro stuff.
[09:06] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: The thing is, not everyone has the same sources.list unfortunately
[09:06] <gimp__> sanne - thanks
[09:06] <joakim> help ,e
[09:06] <exclude> anyone else here haveing a broken xorg server after the upgrade?
[09:06] <jende_> joakim: edgy just got released
[09:06] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Lots of different sources are out there so it makes it difficult
[09:06] <jende_> joakim: today
[09:06] <RawSewage> fine.  Im done explaining it then
[09:06] <RawSewage> Ive had to help 100 people  with that
[09:07] <RawSewage> takes 10 unnecessary minutes explaining it
[09:07] <joakim> jaa and but how  igot source list to this ?
[09:07] <Sanne> gimp__: this is for Apache-PHP-MySQL, and for Dapper, but I hope it will be informative for you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:07] <jende_> !source-o-matic
[09:07] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:07] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: The URL mentioned above gets it done in less than 2 minutes
[09:07] <RawSewage> ok
[09:07] <RawSewage> I will refer them to that
[09:07] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i added "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" as well
[09:07] <gimp__> sanne - Thank you.
[09:07] <Sanne> gimp__: you're welcome :)
[09:08] <jende_> joakim: huh?
[09:08] <Sanne> bye all
[09:08] <riki> bye all
[09:08] <jende_> joakim: there are just main repos as yet
[09:08] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, you dont have to add anything
[09:08] <cango> sanne: it's about adept
[09:08] <joakim> is it no source list to edgy  ?
[09:09] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i enabled those 2 links as well
[09:09] <jende_> joakim: you have already a sources.list
[09:09] <jende_> joakim: you may wnat to check it ALT+F2 kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <joakim> ja but opera and all the program i need
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: wget -O/etc/apt/sources.list http://whatever.wherever.com/sources.list ; apt-get update (that easy source still leaves loads of unnecessary comments)
[09:10] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I have no use for that.  I use a much greater sources.list
[09:10] <cango> ws_Trent: it's about adept
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: True but manually editing it is a waste of time (like RawSewage says)
[09:11] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I disagree
[09:11] <joakim> i use this guid http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: 2 mins down to 20 seconds
[09:11] <jende_> !opera
[09:11] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:11] <RawSewage> I dont mind that so much as explaining it, and how you have to press ENTER after typing it in, or the change doesnt get saved, etc
[09:11] <joakim> but this comnmand is not work
[09:11] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I can do it in 20 seconds by editing it manually.  It's not as difficult as he claims it to be
[09:11] <joakim> wget http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/12B83718.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[09:12] <pike_> whats the easiest way to make install stuff to home dir instead of /usr/? is there a file somewhere i can edit to change the / to $HOME/? or do i have to edit makefile each time?
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> pike_: use --prefix
[09:13] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, I dont mind doing it.  It's the explaining to new people what to do thats a pain
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> pike_: (to configure)
[09:13] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, it's not an easy thing to explain
[09:13] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I understand, and that URL makes it so simple
[09:13] <pike_> h3sp4wn: like ./configure --prefix= ?
[09:13] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I disagree myself.  It's quite easy
[09:13] <Tm_T> pike_: Yes, just use --prefix with configure and install without sudo etc. :)
[09:13] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, does that URL explain you have to add multiverse to universe, and then press ENTER after adding it, or the change doesnt save?
[09:13] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: thank you very much friend. My amaroK can't play music(mp3s at this time). It uses the xine engine. I ve installed all the xine packages from adept. what can i do?
[09:13] <pike_> ok thx
[09:14] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, first try restarting Amarok
[09:14] <cango> my sources.list how can i change it
[09:14] <Tm_T> pike_: Don't forget to add install path to your $PATH
[09:14] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: I've never pressed <enter> after adding multiverse universe to my sources.list so I have no idea what you are talking about
[09:14] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, close it in the tray
[09:14] <RawSewage> Hawkwind, after you add multiverse, and then just double-click the next line, for example, it doesnt save
[09:14] <greg> bye everybody
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> pike_: if you use bash then ~/bin is automatically added to the path (if it exists)
[09:14] <jende_> joakim: opera is non-free stuff, so get a deb package and install it using sudo dpkg -i <pckname>
[09:14] <joakim> damn is good help her
[09:15] <Hawkwind> RawSewage: Never heard of that happening, and I can't reproduce it
[09:16] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i ve done that.still nothing.
[09:16] <jende_> cango: use ALT+F2 and type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and modify it as you need
[09:16] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, in Konsole, do  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:17] <jHoNDoE> only dvd via torrent?
[09:17] <Hawkwind> jHoNDoE: For now, yes
[09:17] <jHoNDoE> ok thanks
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> cango: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted multiverse universe > sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> cango: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe >> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> cango: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates main restricted multiverse universe >> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> cango: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted multiverse universe >> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <felixjet> u_u
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> cango: then yours sources.list is clean (not full of loads of comments)
[09:18] <cango> h3sp4wn: i ca't do it
[09:19] <jHoNDoE> Hawkwind good....linuxtracker.org
[09:19] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: it has libmad0 depended on that and it fails
[09:21] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, because you didnt enable mulitverse
[09:21] <B-Minus> hmm at bootup i get this : 6 22:39:24 rcS:  * Loading hardware drivers...       ^[[80G error receiving uevent message: No buffer space available
[09:21] <B-Minus> Oct 26 20:39:27 rcS:
[09:21] <B-Minus> how bad is it ?
[09:22] <B-Minus> cause it doesnt cause any probs
[09:22] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: wait to check again
[09:22] <exclude> man #ubuntu is filled with people experiencing xorg issues after the upgrade
[09:24] <B-Minus> is it hard to get XGL working on edgy with a intel 950 card ?
[09:24] <h3sp4wn> exclude: almost certainly related to xserver-xorg-driver-* and xserver-xorg-video-* and the fact that transitional packages were not done right
[09:24] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i did it.it get a download error.im using a greek server to get the packages.how can i turn into another server?
[09:25] <exclude> h3sp4wn: yea.
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> B-Minus: use aiglx (supported properly with intel integrated graphics)
[09:25] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, I dont know.  maybe it's overloaded today
[09:25] <cango> my sources.list how can i change it
[09:26] <hombero> hey
[09:26] <Hawkwind> cango: h3sp4wn gave you the commands above to do it
[09:26] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: any other way to install libxine codecs?
[09:26] <hombero> can somone help me with compiling allegro>
[09:27] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: Are you using the us.archive.ubuntu.com in your sources.list ?
[09:27] <B-Minus> h3sp4wn: tnx
[09:27] <Dasnipa`> RawSewage, its been overloaded since slashdot posted that 6.10 was out
[09:27] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: no.im using a greek server
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> B-Minus: you shouldn't have to do anything
[09:27] <RawSewage> lol
[09:27] <skript> any nasty suprises before I dist-upgrade to edgy ?
[09:27] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: Try making the sources say archive.ubuntu.com only.  Take off the us. or whatever you have
[09:28] <hombero> how do i view all the channels?
[09:28] <Dasnipa`> i made it 34% thru the download in 1 hour, its not been 3and a half hours since that and ive only gained about 10%
[09:28] <cango> my sources.list how can i change it for my mp3's
[09:28] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: how can i do that?
[09:28] <jamesm> anyone here familiar with schoolbell ?
[09:28] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: Edit the file and remove it
[09:28] <cango> Hawkwind: my sources.list how can i change it for my mp3's
[09:28] <TheGateKeeper> skript: Firefox 2 has nobbled extensions & I have a fix for OO
[09:28] <Hawkwind> cango: What do you mean 'for your mp3's'  ??
[09:28] <Pensacola> I followed this guide for my refresh rate and now my resolution is stuck at 1024*768 http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Screen_refresh_rate_t33565.html
[09:28] <Pensacola> can anyone help me?
[09:28] <hombero> how do i view all the channels?
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> Dasnipa`: get the last daily build from a mirror (will be loads faster)
[09:29] <skript> gatekeep: fix for 00 ?
[09:29] <Hawkwind> hombero: No need to repeat yourself.  What IRC client ?
[09:29] <Dasnipa`> h3sp4wn, meh too late... im already at 60% no big deal
[09:29] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: I suggested cango install libxine-extracodecs I presume he is trying to sort that out
[09:29] <hombero> Konversation
[09:30] <TheGateKeeper> cango: dapper or edgy?
[09:30] <Hawkwind> hombero: Ah, no idea as I don't use konversation.  /msg chanserv list *search-word*  will give you the channel with the word you put in between the *'s
[09:30] <TheGateKeeper> hombero:  /list
[09:30] <yonkeltron> the mirrors are swamped!
[09:30] <hombero> cool thanks
[09:30] <Hawkwind> Hawkwind: You can do /list but on a big server like Freenode, it's not recommended
[09:31] <Hawkwind> yonkeltron: Perfectly normal for any distros new release
[09:31] <skript> oh...now I get it...OO=openoffice... ehzz..
[09:31] <cango> TheGateKeeper: dapper
[09:31] <TheGateKeeper> cango: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[09:32] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: i have that general server to get downloads as well.but it still fails.isnt there any other way to install the package manually?
[09:32] <bLaZeD> omg its here!
[09:32] <yonkeltron> Hawkwind: yes. good.
[09:32] <hombero> any ideas where i can find help compiling allegro under kubuntu, im having trounble
[09:32] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: kwikdisk can format partitions? i didnt find any selection to do that
[09:32] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Long time ago :P
[09:32] <Hawkwind> hombero: sudo apt-get install allegro ?
[09:32] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, i went to bed b4 midnight lastnight
[09:33] <bLaZeD> just got in
[09:33] <hombero> hmm let me try that
[09:33] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: I'd wait a while and let the mirrors slow down a bit
[09:33] <bLaZeD> damn the torrents saying tracker is overloaded
[09:33] <italo> Edgy was released?
[09:33] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, no, it shows you how much space you have on your disks
[09:33] <Hawkwind> italo: Yes
[09:33] <bLaZeD> wait just went through
[09:33] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Typical.  Grab it elsewhere
[09:33] <bLaZeD> torrents my best bet
[09:33] <hombero> E: Couldn't find package allegro
[09:34] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Probably not.  I downloaded the CD's this morning, both of them, in less than an hour
[09:34] <Hawkwind> !info allegro
[09:34] <ubotu> Package allegro does not exist in any distro I know
[09:34] <Hawkwind> !find allegro
[09:34] <BrightEyes`> RawSewage: i want a tool to format partitions in fat32(vfat)
[09:34] <ubotu> Found: allegro-demo, allegro-demo-data, allegro-examples, liballegro-dev, liballegro-doc (and 15 others)
[09:34] <Hawkwind> hombero: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:34] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: im trying this thing for 10 minutes now
[09:34] <hombero> ty
[09:34] <Qaldune> hi
[09:35] <RawSewage> BrightEyes`, I dont know anything about that
[09:35] <cango> TheGateKeeper: my sources.list how can i change it for my mp3's
[09:35] <Hawkwind> cango: Explain what you mean when you say change it for your mp3's and I might can help you
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> bLaZeD: I would go for the last daily build (from a generic mirror - the last daily build will in most cases by indentical to the release - if its not then the release would be delayed)
[09:35] <hombero> btw im new to kubuntu lol just figuring out terminal and stuff still
[09:36] <BrightEyes`> How can i format a partition to fat32 (vfat) ? (using kubuntu)
[09:36] <bLaZeD> h3sp4wn, huh what u mean by last daily build
[09:36] <TimsonC2000> how can i update my kubuntu ... i m a gentoo user
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> !daily
[09:36] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[09:36] <TheGateKeeper> cango: follow the instructions I gave you on that URL carefully, then apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:36] <B-Minus> h3sp4wn: i also need beryl manager ?
[09:37] <cango> TheGateKeeper: i did it one month ago and i changed it pardus. Now i installed it newly
[09:37] <hombero> anyone know anything about kdevelop?
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> bLaZeD: find daily/current on a mirror
[09:37] <Hawkwind> TimsonC2000: Upgrade from Dapper to Edgy you mean ?
[09:37] <bLaZeD> ohh like a sub folder
[09:37] <TheGateKeeper> cango: pardus?
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> bLaZeD: most of the mirrors probably will not update until tonight (the big ones)
[09:37] <Pensacola> I can't get my refresh rate higher than 60Hz @ 1280*960 but it should be 72, how can I change it?
[09:38] <cango> Turkish linux
[09:38] <bLaZeD> ahh k got ya h3sp4wn
[09:38] <bLaZeD> im dling a torrent right now.....
[09:38] <TheGateKeeper> cango: ahhh
[09:38] <bLaZeD> and i dont think i have any blank cd's.....just dvd's
[09:38] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: as well Mplayer cant install either. it says BREAK
[09:38] <cango> TheGateKeeper: Turkish Linux. But i can't connct internet with my wireless laptop
[09:39] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: Maybe you should paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us for all of us to see
[09:39] <cango> TheGateKeeper: i'm waiting u
[09:40] <hombero> anyone know anything about Kdevelop? im having trouble compiling anything
[09:40] <TheGateKeeper> cango: the only other way would be to somehow get hold of the alternative CD which has packages on it, & install from that
[09:41] <Hawkwind> hombero: Why are you compiling apps that are available with apt-get ?
[09:41] <Megiddo> Where can I download the Kubuntu DVD?
[09:41] <Megiddo> Don't see it on download page
[09:41] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, u install it yet?
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Megiddo: It's only availble in torrents
[09:42] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: See #LFD
[09:42] <Raven301> Megiddo: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/dvd/
[09:42] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: I just had that convo
[09:42] <Megiddo> Thanks Raven301
[09:42] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, ahh lol
[09:42] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: i get a printscreen.can i send it to you?
[09:42] <BrightEyes`> *g0t
[09:42] <TheGateKeeper> cango: the other option would be to use a distro like PCLinuxOS or Mepis that has already got multimedia setup as soon as you install it
[09:42] <Raven301> Megiddo: np
[09:42] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: No.  You need to paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us for everyone to see
[09:43] <hombero> what is the advantage of the kubuntu dvd over live cd for ubuntu?
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> TheGateKeeper: or kanotix
[09:43] <bLaZeD> Megiddo, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/dvd/kubuntu-6.10-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[09:43] <cango> TheGateKeeper: how can i update apt-get
[09:43] <TheGateKeeper> h3sp4wn: works 'out of the box' too then? :-)
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> TheGateKeeper: yep (1 script to install fglrx or nvidia)
[09:44] <kjelderg> when I start adept, it tells me that something else is accessing the database.  I'm not so sure it's right
[09:44] <TheGateKeeper> cango: you need an internet connection really for (k)ubuntu
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> kjelderg: /msg ubotu adept crash fix
[09:45] <cango> TheGateKeeper: it's ok
[09:45] <TheGateKeeper> h3sp4wn: damn I am just going to have to give it a go
[09:45] <xerxesis> bonjour tou le monde
[09:45] <LjL> !fr
[09:45] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:46] <gopp> have you updated to edgy yet
[09:46] <gopp> is it worth the update
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> TheGateKeeper: always pretty upto date as well (because it uses sid repos)
[09:46] <B-Minus> DEAR GOD beryl RULEZ
[09:46] <kjelderg> h3sp4wn: thanks :)
[09:47] <kjelderg> B-Minus: doesn't it?
[09:47] <B-Minus> omfg
[09:47] <larson9999> gopp: speaking of the update.  since edgy is released, is there anything special required to update or are do you use the normal dapper repositories
[09:47] <LjL> yes, it's very 1337 4 h4x0rz
[09:47] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/182 <--- the link
[09:47] <kjelderg> most of it seems like fluff ... but there are a few features that actually increase usability
[09:48] <jamesm> anyone have any exp. with SchoolTool ?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> LjL: I thought h4x0rz used blackbox / fluxbox / ratpoison etc
[09:48] <hombero> How do i install automake?
[09:48] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: As I stated earlier, you need remove the gr.  and make it just archive.ubuntu.com from each line
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> hombero: sudo aptitude install automake1.9
[09:48] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: remove only the gr. ?
[09:49] <hombero> thanks!
[09:49] <lupine_laptop> wowsers, the uk. mirror is giving me a mere 5kb/sec right now!
[09:49] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: Yes
[09:49] <goliath23> hi. I tried upgrading to kubuntu 6.10 but in the middle of the upgrade process somthing failed. now it suggest to run "apt-get -f install" if I do this, it tries to remove xserver-xorg and that fails because some "atck smashing protection" kill the post installation perl script... damn!
[09:49] <Hawkwind> lupine_laptop: That's why you download earlier :P
[09:49] <Raven301> hombero: or sudo apt-get install automake1.9
[09:49] <daseeb> hello! I updated dapper -> edgy this afternoon... first everything was fine. now kaffeine doesn't start anymore. even on console there is no output. just new line and then breaks.
[09:49] <lupine_laptop> I did :)
[09:50] <lupine_laptop> I just realised my laptop needed toshutils
[09:50] <gopp> what is kaffeine
[09:50] <Hawkwind> lupine_laptop: As in much earlier when it first got released :)
[09:50] <Hawkwind> !kaffeine
[09:50] <yacoob> Greetings.
[09:50] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 1528 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[09:50] <Hawkwind> goliath23: Have you read this:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[09:50] <yacoob> How much space for / of Ubuntu?
[09:51] <gopp> lupine_laptop hi
[09:51] <gopp> lupine_laptop do I knowyou
[09:51] <jende> !swf
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <Hawkwind> yacoob: Totally up to you really
[09:51] <lupine_laptop> yacoob: anywhere from 2GB up really
[09:51] <jende> !shockwave
[09:51] <ubotu> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[09:51] <lupine_laptop> gopp: no idea. lupine_85 is also me
[09:51] <yacoob> ok, lemme rephrase that
[09:51] <yacoob> I want to install over my curent lvm setup
[09:51] <gopp> I know  a lupine on efnet
[09:51] <yacoob> in which / is 5.4GB
[09:51] <lupine_laptop> ah, no that isn't me
[09:52] <yacoob> would it be enough, barely enough, or just fine, or even whoa, way too much? :)
[09:52] <lupine_laptop> hmm, apt-get just removed libgl1-mesa-dri
[09:52] <daseeb> no ideas what's wrong with my kaffeine?
[09:52] <yacoob> it's lvm, I can resize it, but if possible I'd leave it as it is, have no backup of other volumens :D
[09:52] <gopp> does itunes work in linux
[09:53] <gopp> I know I gotten mirc to work
[09:53] <goliath23> Hawkwind: no, this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade but its the same!
[09:53] <gopp> !itunes
[09:53] <ubotu> itunes is not available on Linux, but there are many audio player alternatives (see !players). For Daap clients (sharing music with other iTunes clients on the network), install banshee
[09:53] <gopp> !players
[09:53] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[09:53] <xerxesis> moi1392 es tu la ?
[09:54] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: i did that and still it says break.
[09:54] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: You need to be more descriptive
[09:54] <gopp> !upnp
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upnp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: After you removed the gr.  did you run:  sudo apt-get update first ??
[09:54] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: i removed gr. from those servers but i still can't install mplayer. what can i do
[09:55] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: sudo apt-get update
[09:55] <yacoob> gopp, if you want something itunes like, I can recommend amarok
[09:56] <komposter> how can y use ipod shuffle in kubuntu? itunes does not exist in linux and gtkpod not work right with ipod! what can y do?
[09:56] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: ok ive done it.next?
[09:56] <jamesm> Anyone familiar with SchoolBell and calendar synching on numerous clients ?
[09:56] <lupine_laptop> buy an iRiver ;)
[09:56] <yacoob> komposter, amarok also has ipod support, but I'm not sure about it's quality
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BrightEyes`: Now try to install the app again
[09:56] <cango_> TheGateKeeper: i find some codes like this wget http://ubuntu-tr.com/download/sources.list, sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list, sudo apt-get update,
[09:57] <cango_> TheGateKeeper: i do it
[09:57] <Napa> I'm trying to install XCHAT but when i write ./Configure it says ""checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool""
[09:57] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: it says BREAK(install)) . damn it
[09:57] <jorik> Napa: just install with apt ?
[09:57] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: tell me which servers to add.i will erase all the others
[09:57] <gopp> where does ubuntu mount samba file system
[09:57] <TheGateKeeper> cango_: good :-)
[09:57] <gopp> I have music stored in my samba server
[09:58] <cango_> TheGateKeeper: i ask another question 2 u. how can i play my dvd's
 what plugin for amarok y need?
[09:58] <gopp> I can look it symlink but where or what dir does it mkdir for the samba system
[09:58] <cango_> TheGateKeeper: what is the meaning og these codes
[09:58] <yacoob> komposter, I think it works out of the box
[09:58] <Napa> jorik: what do you mean?
[09:58] <TheGateKeeper> cango_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[10:00] <yacoob> hm, is edgy also distributed without propertiary codecs?
[10:00] <larson9999> is edgy the 'name' of 6.10 and not just a generic term for the next version of whatever version of ubuntu is the latest release?
[10:00] <kjelderg> affirmative
[10:00] <lupine_85> larson9999: yep
[10:00] <LjL> larson9999: it's the codename for 6.10
[10:00] <kjelderg> next is ... something fawn
[10:00] <lupine_85> feisty is the next one
[10:00] <LjL> Feisty Fawn
[10:00] <lupine_85> !feisty
[10:00] <kjelderg> feisty
[10:00] <ubotu> feisty is the codename for ubuntu 7.04
[10:00] <kjelderg> thanks :)
[10:01] <larson9999> thanks
[10:01] <larson9999> ok, well here goes for the upgrade
[10:01] <yacoob> lupine_85, don't be worried, I upgraded my debian from stable to testing years ago on modem line... :D
[10:02] <lupine_85> oh, the joy
[10:04] <elfstone> hi
[10:04] <zigovr> hi all, I'm trying to recompile my own kernel, I follow instructions here http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Kernel_Compilation_Dapper, however I end up with a zero sized initrd file, is that normal ?
[10:04] <elfstone> i have a major problem with my nvidia drivers on edgy
[10:04] <BrightEyes`> Hawkwind: tell me which servers to add.i will erase all the others
[10:05] <elfstone> today i moved onto edgy and started to install everything again
[10:05] <gopp> hey
[10:05] <gopp> one question
[10:05] <elfstone> i installed nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:05] <gopp> where does ubuntu
[10:05] <gopp> mount samba file system
[10:05] <elfstone> changed the xorg driver from nv to nvidia and restarted x
[10:05] <elfstone> and now i dont have xgl which i supposed to have
[10:06] <hombero> !
[10:06] <zigovr> elfstone: what nvidia card do you have ? is that an old one ?
[10:06] <elfstone> yes old one
[10:06] <elfstone> GeForce 2 Ti
[10:06] <Sir_Briz1> eugh
[10:06] <zigovr> and you need to use the legacy driver for this model ?
[10:06] <hombero> !info berkley
[10:07] <ubotu> Package berkley does not exist in any distro I know
[10:07] <hombero> how do i use that?
[10:07] <elfstone> yes
[10:07] <hombero> ok i see
[10:07] <hombero> !find berkley
[10:07] <elfstone> on dapper drake i used legacy and everything worked
[10:07] <ubotu> Package/file berkley does not exist in dapper
[10:07] <elfstone> on edgy it dont work
[10:07] <hombero> !find Berkley
[10:08] <ubotu> Package/file berkley does not exist in dapper
[10:08] <hombero> anyone know how to install kdevelop?
[10:09] <Kr4t05> Happy Release Day! :)
[10:09] <hombero> can somone please help me
[10:12] <BrightEyes`> anyone can give me the servers for getting packages throught Adept?
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> !mirrors
[10:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:17] <ryanr> what is the ocmmand to show free disk space?
[10:17] <yacoob> df -h in terminal
[10:17] <Hawkwind> df -h
[10:17] <ryanr> Thanks  yacoob and Hawkwind
[10:18] <yacoob> if every problem would be simple as that... :>
[10:20] <nixert> blin
[10:21] <lunitik> Where would I find Kubuntu alternate install cd's? (all I can find is the live DVD images, system has no DVD drive - let alone burner - and livecd doesn't work with it - not enough RAM)
[10:21] <tapas> hmm, can i somehow keep X from starting when i boot from the live cd?
[10:21] <tapas> the desktop 386 iso that is..
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> tapas: try adding 1 (to the end of the grub boot line - may put you into single user mode - may not work)
[10:22] <tapas> h3sp4wn: yah i just tried that
[10:22] <tapas> i put the 1 before the --
[10:22] <tapas> dunno if that was right
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> tapas: I think its last (maybe it doesn't work)
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> tapas: there is always the old init=/bin/sh trick
[10:23] <tapas> h3sp4wn: hah, that will be my last resort if nothing helps ;)
[10:23] <tapas> thx for that tip
[10:23] <lunitik> Never mind, I found them
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> tapas: Useless live cd's anyway (kanotix is a much better one)
[10:24] <tapas> h3sp4wn: yah, i want to install kubuntu though
[10:24] <tapas> and X freezes.. on this laptop i do have a working X config on a nother partition
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> tapas: use the install from knoppix howto (install with debootstrap
[10:25] <tapas> h3sp4wn: not a bad idea
[10:26] <Johnsandman> is this normal i can't install firefox all request is broken :|
[10:26] <Johnsandman> in new edgy
[10:27] <lunitik> Johnsandman: what is the error?
[10:27] <Napa> can anyone see this norwegian characters    ?
[10:27] <tapas> i have to see first whether knopppix actually boots with X working ;)
[10:30] <lunitik> Napa: yes
[10:30] <Johnsandman> everything cannot install missing files and so on :|
[10:30] <Napa> On undernet they says they can't see  from me ... Guess they are using Mirc
[10:30] <tapas> i use irssi in a screen session on a different box. it look slike garbage to me, too
[10:30] <Johnsandman> but i am using amd64 maybe thats the problem ??
[10:30] <lunitik> Napa: could be anything... maybe they just don't have norwegian fonts installed etc
[10:30] <Napa> lunitik: : yes they have ... it's an norwegian channel
[10:30] <tapas> uuh, X works nicely wit knoppix 4
[10:30] <Xubuntian> what's that?
[10:30] <lunitik> Xubuntian: whats what?
[10:30] <tapas> so i can have at least several terminals while installing kubuntu L:)
[10:30] <Napa> ahh .. I use unicode
[10:30] <yacoob> ...hey, someone took my messages away!
[10:31] <yacoob> Only splash remains! Help!
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> Napa: I can see them fine (enable unicode for irssi)
[10:33] <Xubuntian> sorry nothing :)
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> Napa:   
[10:34] <Johnsandman> hmm downloading for amd is not ready yet to install files
[10:35] <Johnsandman> think need to wait
[10:36] <Johnsandman> I mean amd64 is not total ready for doawlaoding get an error while trying to download the updates
[10:37] <gopp> hey
[10:37] <gopp> what does this error mean
[10:37] <gopp> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //gopunix/Music,
[10:37] <BrightEyes`> what should i do to adept servers to find all the packages? [something with universe ] 
[10:37] <gopp> but I used smbfs
[10:40] <jarn> How do I move thing around on the kicker?
[10:41] <pielgrzym> I'm installing edgy: Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN1> line 9.
[10:41] <pielgrzym> wtf??
[10:41] <sh4d3z> what would happen if i ran this command? kill -9 1
[10:41] <Dasnipa`> i dont think it would let you
[10:42] <Dasnipa`> plus you dont own that process
[10:42] <Dasnipa`> so you would have to sudo it
[10:42] <Dasnipa`> but it still shouldnt let you
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> sh4d3z: depends there is a way of making it do a soft reboot if it ever crashes forget how
[10:43] <sh4d3z> ahhh
[10:43] <sjau> weiss jemand wie ich die Bilddimensionen in Gimp ndere?
[10:43] <sjau> sorry, wrong channel :)
[10:44] <pielgrzym> !pastebin
[10:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:45] <sh4d3z> thanx, i see now
[10:45] <pielgrzym> could anyone help me with upgrading to edgy? here is what happens: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28502/
[10:50] <pielgrzym> could anyone help me with upgrading to edgy? here is what happens: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28502/
[10:50] <Snake> !ping
[10:50] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[10:51] <jarn> How do I move thing around on the kicker?
[10:52] <tdn> Where do I get the 6.06 Kubuntu installcd via bittorrent?
[10:54] <shrimp> hello, how do i get xgl?
[10:54] <shrimp> i'm new to this....
[10:54] <shrimp> :(
[10:55] <vge> !xgl
[10:55] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:56] <shrimp> http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez won't work :(
[10:57] <root_> holaaa
[10:58] <root_> alguien tiene instalado el counter strike en el linux kubuntu?
[10:58] <root_> alguien tiene instalado el counter strike en el linux kubuntu?
[10:58] <root_> alguien tiene instalado el counter strike en el linux kubuntu?
[10:59] <jarn> How do I move thing around on the kicker?
[10:59] <pielgrzym> could anyone help me with upgrading to edgy? here is what happens: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28502/
[10:59] <pielgrzym> I get the dumb dependency problems. Well did Microsoft help develop edgy?
[10:59] <cheewie_> libntfs8 any one have test that one?
[11:00] <BonBonTheJon> !es | root
[11:00] <BonBonTheJon> !es | root_
[11:00] <ubotu> root: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:00] <ubotu> root_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:01] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: did you change sources.list
[11:01] <BonBonTheJon> jarn: what do you mean
[11:01] <jarn> BonBonTheJon: Somehow my clock and system tray got moved over to the middle of the kicker.
[11:01] <yacoob> hm
[11:01] <pielgrzym> BonBonTheJon: yes I did
[11:01] <yacoob> what's the difference between edgy-security and edgy-updates in sources.list?
[11:01] <yacoob> first one are more crucial updates? :)
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> jarn: right click on the clock and it should have an option of move
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: all the "dapper
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> ...
[11:02] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: all the "dapper"s to "edgy"
[11:03] <pielgrzym> BonBonTheJon: yes - all the workin repos - the ones commented out I left 'dapper', but they're not used anyway?
[11:04] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: hmm, I haven't done the upgrade yet, but that seems like all you need to do
[11:04] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: I don't know what all your pastebin means, sorry
[11:05] <pielgrzym> BonBonTheJon: here's my sources list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28504/
[11:05] <pielgrzym> this is pretty frustrating :|
[11:05] <BonBonTheJon> jarn: did it work?
[11:05] <nickv111> I can't get any of the kubuntu edgy torrents to work. When I open them in ktorrent, I just get a Status: Stalled
[11:06] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: try commenting out everything besides the ubuntu repos
[11:06] <jarn> BonBonTheJon: Sorry, didn't notice. I'll try it now.
[11:06] <jarn> BonBonTheJon: No, there's no option for move.
[11:07] <BonBonTheJon> jarn: is the panel locked?
[11:07] <pielgrzym> BonBonTheJon: I'd rather get back to dapper - I'm already sick of edgy :| but unfortunately dpkg installed some packages ;(
[11:07] <jarn> BonBonTheJon: No.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Does anyone here have experience setting up a Windows Network Printer in Kubuntu ?
[11:08] <larson9999> well now! ain't edgy all nice and purty?
[11:08] <BonBonTheJon> pielgrzym: I don't know how to down-grade
[11:08] <pielgrzym> BonBonTheJon: it will be pretty hard now I guess ;( I'll try to redownload only using official repos :(
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: use apt-pinning to force a downgrade
[11:08] <jarn> !cups
[11:08] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: pin priority 1001 will force a downgrade
[11:09] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: you want the linux computer to be the print server?
[11:09] <pielgrzym> h3sp4wn: I don't understand :)
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: search google for how to force a downgrade with apt
[11:09] <oswaldo> holaaa
[11:09] <pielgrzym> h3sp4wn: thanks :)
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: (completely unsupported etc)
[11:09] <oswaldo> cual es el canal de kubuntu spanish
[11:10] <naegling23> im trying to upgrade to edgy, but im getting the following problem when running dpkg --configure -a :errors were encountered while processing: xfonts-intl-european   how can I resolve this?
[11:10] <BonBonTheJon> !es | oswaldo
[11:10] <ubotu> oswaldo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> No , my wife's windows pc has the USB printer. My pc is hooked to the windows network thru a router
[11:11] <jarn> How do I install CUPS? When I go to the printer section it tells me the CUPS server is not installed.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> No TheGateKeeper , my wife's windows pc has the USB printer. My pc is hooked to the windows network thru a router
[11:11] <jarn> The printer section in KControl, that is.
[11:11] <yacoob> hm
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: doesn't the printer wizard see it then?
[11:12] <yacoob> edgy is also released without propertiary codecs?
[11:12] <cellofellow> is there a way to run a dist-upgrade from within aptitude, or do I have to exit the app?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> no, that's the problem... it was working last week , but now it doesn't see the printer at all, TheGateKeeper
[11:13] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper, it stopped seeing the network printer before I upgraded to Edgy
[11:13] <larson9999> Hawkwind: about a week ago you told me your sources said 'no adobe at all until feb'  looks like the beta was coming out as we were speaking :)
[11:14] <larson9999> Hawkwind: s/adobe/flash/
[11:15] <cellofellow> dist
[11:16] <cellofellow> ten hours, hmmm, what to do while I wait?
[11:16] <yacoob> install xp :>
[11:16] <cellofellow> yacoob: yeah right. I can't even aford an old issue of w2k
[11:17] <cellofellow> estimate changed to 12 hours. that's a lot of packages, yeesh.
[11:17] <Anders0> Is it only my installer that stops at random times?
[11:17] <exhale> am i the only one having problems with firefox? half the time it wont even launch :/
[11:18] <cellofellow> 8 now, kind of finicky isn't it.
[11:18] <Dr_willis> exhale,  no problems here
[11:18] <yacoob> where are the w32codecs for edgy?
[11:18] <Dr_willis> exhale,  try the failsafe mode.. perhaps remove any extensions ya got.
[11:18] <exhale> yacoob: in multiverse i guess?
[11:18] <Dr_willis> !info w32codecs
[11:18] <ubotu> w32codecs: win32 binary codecs. In component extras, is optional. Version 1:20060611-0.0 (dapper-seveas), package size 13911 kB, installed size 33488 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:18] <Dr_willis> or from the PLF site
[11:18] <yacoob> exhale, no, not there.
[11:18] <exhale> Dr_willis: this is pretty much a vanilla install
[11:18] <cellofellow> yacoob: they were taken out of dapper, you have to download them from an alternative site.
[11:18] <Dr_willis> exhale,  ive had no issues at all with firefox2.0 so far.
[11:19] <yacoob> well, link from wiki doesn't work...
[11:19] <exhale> weird
[11:19] <exhale> anyway, does anyone know how to ad icons? i downloaded a set of them...
[11:19] <cellofellow> yacoob: try the PLF, it has it.
[11:19] <yacoob> PLF?
[11:19] <Dr_willis> !plf
[11:19] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> !pld
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> !plf
[11:19] <cellofellow> !plf | yacoob
[11:19] <yacoob> goot :>
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pld - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <ubotu> yacoob: plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[11:19] <jarn> !cups
[11:19] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:20] <Sir_Briz1> isn't there a way to switch Konqueror to Administrator Mode?
[11:20] <exhale> Sir_Briz1: kdesu konqueror
[11:20] <cellofellow> yacoob: an underground movement with an extra repo with skype, google earth, and w32codecs
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> Sir_Briz1: don't run graphical apps as root
[11:20] <Dr_willis> its not a good idea to run those filemanagers like that as root. :)
[11:20] <Dr_willis> it can get REAL REAL bad.
[11:20] <yacoob> hehe, are plf's repos trusted?
[11:20] <cellofellow> Sir_Briz1: use midnight commander. package is mc.
[11:20] <Sir_Briz1> my stupid trash won't empty
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> Sir_Briz1: If you have to krusader is about the best
[11:20] <Dr_willis> yacoob,  yes.
[11:20] <Sir_Briz1> I don't know what to do about it
[11:21] <yacoob> ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/plf/ubuntu/README :/
[11:21] <cellofellow> yacoob: they use a gnupgp authentication system to make sure they are.
[11:21] <Dr_willis> yacoob,  but their ubuntu support may not be around for much longer
[11:21] <naegling23> can anyone help me, i cant upgrade to edgy
[11:21] <yacoob> cellofellow, well, I'd rather mean are the guys behind packages trusted :)
[11:21] <naegling23> all of my files break install
[11:21] <cellofellow> yeah, not enough interest so their kind of falling apart.
[11:21] <yacoob> signed package is still dangerous, if you don't trust the person that signed it... :>
[11:22] <naegling23> I traced the problem back to xfonts-intl-european (by using dpkg --configure -a.....but i dont know how to fix it
[11:22] <cellofellow> yacoob: works for me. I got g-earth there and no problems
[11:22] <yacoob> cellofellow, can you share the line from sources.list? (the fastest way :)
[11:22] <exhale> damn, installing themes and stuff under KDE shure is a pain
[11:23] <cellofellow> yacoob: one sec, using a shell so no copy/paste (that I know of.)
[11:23] <Sir_Briz1> can I get to the trash from the command line?
[11:23] <yacoob> if you're in shell, you can c&p between VTs with gpm
[11:24] <cellofellow> yacoob: deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf dapper non-free
[11:24] <cellofellow> yacoob: dunno if they've made an edgy repo, but the packages should work in edgy anyways.
[11:25] <Igor_V2> hi...how i change desktop on kubuntu? :T
[11:25] <cellofellow> yacoob: what's gpm? I'm using screen, and not VT's/
[11:25] <cellofellow> .
[11:25] <yacoob> the problem is, the site is down (at least right now)
[11:25] <cellofellow> Igor_V2: like virtual desktop or desktop environment?
[11:25] <yacoob> cellofellow, gpm is a daemon that handles mouse under linux console (as in text console, not X)
[11:25] <yacoob> by default you have 6 text VTs, and X launches on 7th
[11:26] <cellofellow> yacoob: so, select middle-click thing, with the mouse?
[11:26] <yacoob> it's configurable :)
[11:26] <cellofellow> yacoob: I know that, but I don't like logging in so much, so I use screen.
[11:26] <cellofellow> yacoob: is it included, or do I have to add it. (can't do that upgrading.)
[11:26] <Igor_V2> cellofellow: i wanna change the desktop envoronment
[11:27] <cellofellow> Igor_V2: install ubuntu-desktop to install gnome, and xubuntu-desktop to install XFCE.
[11:27] <cellofellow> Igor_V2: there's also fluxbox and window maker
[11:27] <Igor_V2> good...thanks
[11:29] <shadowhywind> hi all, how hellish is it in here now, with 6.10 out?
[11:29] <DjDarkman> hy ,where can I get this kubuntu device database?
[11:29] <cellofellow> yacoob: is gpm included in dapper?
[11:29] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  when in doubt  scream and shout. :)
[11:29] <DjDarkman> *harware database
[11:29] <shadowhywind> snicker
[11:29] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install gpm
[11:29] <yacoob> cellofellow, dunno :>
[11:29] <DjDarkman> *hardware databse
[11:29] <yacoob> should be, it's pretty common thing
[11:29] <cellofellow> shadowhywind: currently upgrading.
[11:30] <hazard2> what's this new things that's been released?
[11:30] <shadowhywind> I ran into a problem with the upgrade
[11:30] <shadowhywind> i do the dist-upgrade, and i get a ton of the following packeages have unmet dependencies..
[11:30] <shadowhywind> anyone have a clue?
[11:31] <Sir_Briz1> arg
[11:31] <cellofellow> shadowhywind: using aptitude or apt-get. I tried aptitude, got that, and used apt-get no problems.
[11:31] <novh> !compiz
[11:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:31] <Sir_Briz1> does anyone know how to force the Trash to empty?
[11:31] <shadowhywind> i am using apt-get
[11:31] <naegling23> shadow, im having a problem with xfonts-intl-european i cant upgrade either, seems no one else can help though
[11:31] <cellofellow> Sir_Briz1: click on it and click empty?
[11:31] <Sir_Briz1> cellofellow: I do that and it doesn't do anything
[11:32] <cellofellow> Sir_Briz1: you can open it and just straight delete things with shift+del
[11:32] <cpk2> alright guys here's the deal, I want to get my sensors to work in kubuntu (cpu and board temp, fan speed would be nice too) and yes my motherboard supports this. where would I start to figure how to get this to work?
[11:32] <Sir_Briz1> cellofellow: I do that and get access denied errors
[11:32] <larson9999> the flash player beta is good so far.
[11:32] <yacoob> hehe
[11:32] <yacoob> is .hidden parsed only by konqueror, or something else too?
[11:32] <cellofellow> Sir_Briz1: no idea. does everything in there belong to you?
[11:32] <Sir_Briz1> cellofellow: I don't know how else I would be able to delete it
[11:33] <hazard2> How do you tell what version of Kubuntu You have?
[11:33] <Sir_Briz1> where is the Trash stored?
[11:33] <RawSewage> when I try to access a php page on my server with Firefox, Firefox asks to save the file.  How can I fix this
[11:33] <cellofellow> Sir_Briz1: maybe it's someone elses and you only have group write permissions or something.
[11:33] <zorglu_> soon end of the first edgy day!! :)
[11:33] <zorglu_> hazard2: lsb_release -a
[11:33] <Dr_willis> hazard2,  lsb_release -a
[11:33] <exhale> RawSewage: have you tried it with another browser?
[11:33] <RawSewage> no
[11:33] <Sir_Briz1> cellofellow: okay, but how would I resolve that?
[11:33] <cellofellow> RawSewage: sounds like the server isn't running the php programs.
[11:33] <naegling23> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggg i cant move forward without removing xfonts-intl-european but i cant remove it arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg help please
[11:33] <hazard2> Oh, ok thanks.
[11:33] <yacoob> *gasp* ntfs rw support!
[11:33] <cellofellow> Sir_Briz1: no idea, it was just a guess.
[11:33] <RawSewage> hm
[11:33] <exhale> RawSewage: could be a coding problem at your end
[11:33] <yacoob> which driver? Is it safe?!?
[11:34] <RawSewage> exhale, no
[11:34] <shadowhywind> naegling23 have you tried apt-get -f install?
[11:34] <tapas> hmm, where do i find mirrors for archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:34] <zorglu_> moauaou chaotic moment :)
[11:34] <naegling23> yea, 118 packages are held back because of xfonts-intl-european
[11:34] <zorglu_> yacoob: who knows gurp
[11:34] <RawSewage> cellofellow, how do I check if php is running/working
[11:34] <shadowhywind> oh
[11:34] <cpk2> Sir_Briz1:  /home/cpk1/.local/share/Trash/files replace cpk1 with your user name
[11:34] <cellofellow> i'm just waiting for the linux image to finish downloading, with the rest of the dist-upgrade.
[11:34] <exhale> i think the dev's did a fantastic job with kubuntu edgy.. it feels SO much more polished than dapper
[11:35] <Sir_Briz1> cpk2: thanks
[11:35] <cellofellow> RawSewage: connect with Konqueror, see if it wants to save-as the PHP file too.
[11:35] <hazard2> I'd upgrade, but that'd risk me BORKING up my only working machine (which also dosen't have windows installed)
[11:35] <zorglu_> exhale: really ? i hear a lot of 'i broke my install' from here
[11:35] <cpk2> Sir_Briz1: so cd into there on konsole and then you can rm as sudo
[11:35] <exhale> zorglu_: how did they do that? lol
[11:35] <cellofellow> zorglu_: this is a SUPPORT channel.
[11:35] <Sir_Briz1> anyone know how I format a thumbdrive as vfat?
[11:35] <zorglu_> cellofellow: maouaoua
[11:35] <naegling23> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-intl-european_1.2.1-6ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:36] <RawSewage> cellofellow, It wants to open it with something too
[11:36] <shadowhywind> naegling23 and you have changed all your package address to edgy?
[11:36] <naegling23> yes
[11:36] <zorglu_> exhale: so you run it without bug ?
[11:36] <pielgrzym> upgrading to edgy sucks :) no one mentioned in a REALLY visible place to DISABLE unofficial repos :( now people like me have messed up totally their systems :(
[11:36] <exhale> zorglu_: yea.. i always do clean installs
[11:36] <zorglu_> exhale: im quite worried about the announcement. they say it is stable and cutting edge....
[11:36] <Dr_willis> Distrowatch news -->  n between all the *buntu release announcements, here is something for the fans of openSUSE - the first beta of openSUSE 10.2 is now ready for testing
[11:37] <larson9999> luckily my upgrade went prefectly
[11:37] <zorglu_> exhale: i dont understand how you can be both
[11:37] <shadowhywind> wait what?! disable unoffical repos?
[11:37] <pielgrzym> I'm doing dist upgrade -f - but I'm almost certain this is only a beggining of my problems :((((
[11:37] <cellofellow> RawSewage: set up the PHP module in apache. I don;t know how but at least we have a diagnosis.
[11:37] <pielgrzym> shadowhywind: lol
[11:37] <RawSewage> cellofellow, Im pretty sure I did
[11:37] <exhale> zorglu_: dont take that seriously...
[11:37] <borisyeltsin> hi, in openoffice when I click in text already written and try to write more it writes over the text already there instead of inserting. how do I fix this?
[11:37] <shadowhywind> why are you doing dist upgrade -f ??
[11:37] <Sir_Briz1> no one know how to format a thumb drive as vrfat?
[11:38] <Sir_Briz1> vfat*
[11:38] <larson9999> this is great!  the flash 9 beta works great with pbskids and nickjr.  now we don't even need wine!
[11:38] <Dr_willis> borisyeltsin,  hit the insert key to toggle the insert/overwrite mode perhaps?
[11:38] <cellofellow> RawSewage: try again, look through the configs. somethings not right.
[11:38] <shadowhywind> use qtpartition
[11:38] <zorglu_> exhale: which part the 'stable' or the cutting edge ? :) personnaly i think the stable is not serious. and i need stable :)
[11:38] <shadowhywind> or qpartition, or something like that
[11:38] <larson9999> gparted
[11:38] <pielgrzym> qtparted
[11:38] <borisyeltsin> Dr_willis: where's the insert key?
[11:38] <larson9999> gparted=better imho
[11:38] <Dr_willis> borisyeltsin,  its the key on the keyboard with 'insert' written on it.
[11:38] <hazard2> above the del key on extended keyboards
[11:38] <pielgrzym> larson9999: yup :)
[11:38] <hazard2> on a laptop, I have no idea.
[11:38] <cellofellow> borisyeltsin: above delete
[11:38] <Dr_willis> or often the 0 on the numpad is the same thing
[11:39] <exhale> zorglu_: with a logic like that, you will be stuck with dapper for 5 years
[11:39] <shadowhywind> kik @ Dr)willis
[11:39] <borisyeltsin> holy crap it worked!
[11:39] <pielgrzym> larson9999: qtparted seems to suck on many systems (hangup without reason)
[11:39] <borisyeltsin> thanks Dr_willis
[11:39] <shadowhywind> *wow i can't type*
[11:39] <Dr_willis> borisyeltsin,  :)   old-skool stuff!
[11:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:39] <exhale> zorglu_: unless your running a server or something similiar, i recommend to upgrade. it is not to much bleeding edge other than it having updated packages
[11:39] <Dr_willis> yet another 'hack' that people over look i guess.. :()
[11:40] <RawSewage> cellofellow, ok, thx.  I think youre right.  I need to install the mods
[11:40] <zorglu_> exhale: well it depends how you use your box. i use it to work. i dont really care of having the last feature. i care a lot more in having something which doesnt crash
[11:40] <exhale> zorglu_: ok then :)
[11:40] <larson9999> pielgrzym: well, i've heard similar things about gparted but it seems to work great for me.
[11:40] <TheGateKeeper> zorglu_: do you use OO ?
[11:40] <hazard2> I don't have 3Gb of space -_-
[11:40] <zorglu_> exhale: well the issue is how would i know how stable it is ? :)
[11:40] <zorglu_> Th'
[11:40] <zorglu_> TheGateKeeper: OO = ?
[11:40] <cpk2> qtparted never liked my sata drive
[11:40] <cellofellow> zorglu_: unless you are a company and need real commercial support, upgrade to edgy. dapper is LTS, but that only really makes a difference to companies.
[11:40] <TheGateKeeper> zorglu_: Open Office
[11:40] <hazard2> what's the fastest filesystem?
[11:40] <exhale> zorglu_: you'd have to try it probably. but hey its linux, not windows ;)
[11:41] <zorglu_> TheGateKeeper: nope
[11:41] <giorgio> hi, i just installed kubuntu. i chose italian in the installer, and installation was actually in italian, but now the system is english only. and in "language support" only english shows up. what can i do to make kubuntu italian?
[11:41] <hazard2> xfs? Reiser?
[11:41] <Dr_willis> hazard2,  totally depends on the job at hand.
[11:41] <zorglu_> TheGateKeeper: why this question
[11:41] <hazard2> Dr_willis: general use, desktop
[11:41] <Dr_willis> hazard2,  some are faster at making files.. some faster at deleting
[11:41] <hazard2> not a server or anything
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> zorglu_: I know of a fix
[11:41] <osh_> Update to edgy is a normal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[11:41] <Dr_willis> hazard2,  General use use ext3
[11:41] <gopp> hey
[11:41] <shadowhywind> damn, i ran into a firefix issue, while trying to unpack it..
[11:41] <zorglu_> exhale: well i guess i will try as soon as i got the time and space to do a test it myself
[11:41] <hazard2> heh, that's what I figured.
[11:41] <cpk2> giorgio: install language-support-it
[11:41] <gopp> hey how do I figure out why they say my name and password is wrong
[11:41] <gopp> in samba
[11:41] <gopp> 19094: session setup failed: ERRSRV - ERRbadpw (Bad password - name/password pair in a Tree Connect or Session Setup are invalid.)
[11:42] <gopp> but it correct
[11:42] <giorgio> cpk2: isn't italian supposed to work out-of-the-box?
[11:42] <cpk2> giorgio: I have no clue
[11:42] <cpk2> but that meta package i gave you will install everything italian
[11:42] <giorgio> lemme see
[11:42] <zorglu_> btw did edgy fixed the memory leak in gtk ? i got 100mbyte leaked each time i run a java+gtk. (azureus or eclipse)
[11:43] <zorglu_> 2 weeks ago the memory leak was still there
[11:43] <hazard2> OH GOD, kate just tried to open the ISO!
[11:43] <otaku-san> zorglu_: ohhh now that hurts
[11:43] <giorgio> uhm
[11:43] <giorgio> 845 installed (pkgs), 845 available
[11:43] <zorglu_> otaku-san: quite ok, i just have to reboot X every 2 eclipse launch :)
[11:44] <cpk2> giorgio: sounds like you might only have the cd repo uncommented?
[11:44] <otaku-san> speaking of edgy....how is it going with upgrading?  I'll probably upgrade in a week after the rush dies down...the blogs are full of It's Released!!!
[11:44] <otaku-san> zorglu_: oh fun ;)
[11:45] <giorgio> cpk2: mmh no, i also have some it.archive.ubuntu.com entries
[11:45] <klerfayt> is possible to install edgy without burning iso?
[11:45] <Dr_willis> I installed 3 days ago - and just upgrade :)
[11:45] <Dr_willis> klerfayt,  with some work.. yes.
[11:45] <giorgio> i actually get an error when fetching updates, but the silly adept goes straight back to the pkg list and i can't read it
[11:45] <zorglu_> klerfayt: do you got dapper installed ?
[11:45] <hazard2> o.O shiny, 700k on dorm internet at this time of day...
[11:45] <klerfayt> zorglu_: yeah
[11:45] <cpk2> giorgio: use apt-get on konsole
[11:45] <odla> giorgio: or aptitude in terminal
[11:46] <giorgio> yes, i guess i have to do that
[11:46] <zorglu_> klerfayt: there is a page called 'kubuntuupgrade' on the wiki for you
[11:46] <klerfayt> zorglu_: and separate home partition
[11:46] <giorgio> i actually think adept is 100% crap
[11:46] <zorglu_> klerfayt: without burning cd
[11:46] <shadowhywind> is there a way to upgrade from a CD?
[11:46] <larson9999> otaku-san: i just upgraded and it took about an hour and so far everything is working great.
[11:46] <klerfayt> zorglu_: no not only upgrade; clean install from harddrive
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> giorgio: you can use synaptic
[11:46] <zorglu_> !netboot | klerfayt
[11:46] <ubotu> klerfayt: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:47] <naegling23> oh thank god/allah/budda/a tree i got it working....forgot to enable one of the repositories, for some reason i had it off
[11:47] <otaku-san> larson9999: how big is the upgrade in megabytes?  I have a limit on how much I can use in a month...and others use this connection
[11:47] <giorgio> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[11:47] <giorgio>   404 Not Found
[11:47] <tapas> whoo not hammering the main server helps ;)
[11:47] <zorglu_> klerfayt: this used to be the dapper way. dunno how uptodate it is for edgy
[11:47] <cpk2> giorgio: try using france instead?
[11:47] <giorgio> i get this error with all the it.archive entries!
[11:47] <cpk2> replace it with fr
[11:47] <giorgio> well ok
[11:47] <tapas> if i install ubuntu via debootstrap, it shouldbe no problem to install kde lateron and preetty much get kubuntu?
[11:47] <zorglu_> giorgio: your diag is fully correct it is the fault of adept
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> tapas: kubuntu-desktop will bring in everything
[11:48] <larson9999> otaku-san: for me it was about 90mb
[11:48] <giorgio> but i guess all italians will curse against kubuntu :)
[11:48] <zorglu_> giorgio: your adept should maintain all the repository :)
[11:48] <tapas> h3sp4wn: ok, great
[11:48] <zorglu_> giorgio: any bug on the web is his fault
[11:48] <zorglu_> hmm i think im losing the ubuntu way
[11:48] <zorglu_> ok off
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> tapas: or if you don't need all that stuff just kde-base (and what you do need)
[11:48] <tapas> h3sp4wn: kubuntu is just ubuntu with a different package selection, right?
[11:48] <tapas> h3sp4wn: ok
[11:49] <Dr_willis> tapas,  yes
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> tapas: pretty much
[11:49] <giorgio> ok, france seems to work
[11:49] <draik> I'm downloading the DVD torrent. Anyone else doing the same and getting a lag?
[11:49] <cpk2> hurray they have a dvd torrent now?
[11:49] <draik> cpk2, yup
[11:49] <tapas> draik: nope, but maybe even the tracker is DOS'd ')
[11:49] <draik> not for the CD though
[11:49] <giorgio> also, is it normal that every time i need to do something as administrator, kubuntu asks me for my password? shouldn't it be cached?
[11:49] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  i saw a torrent for just the dvd..dident notice torrents for the cd's
[11:49] <draik> oic
[11:50] <tapas> giorgio: use sudo maybe
[11:50] <morghanphoenix> So, anybody done the dist-upgrade yet?
[11:50] <cpk2> when i went to sleep it was just cds
[11:50] <elijahlofgren> morghanphoenix: doing it now.
[11:50] <giorgio> sudo caches it
[11:50] <Dr_willis> i just did an install of the RC1 - and upgraded every day. :)
[11:50] <cpk2> sudo caches it for 10 minutes i think
[11:50] <elijahlofgren> Need to get 769MB of archives. 3.5 hours to go. :)
[11:50] <campbch> im going to as soon as i can get to a reliable wifi connection, my dorm wifi blows :(
[11:50] <lupine_laptop> arghy, gb. seems compleltely dead now :/
[11:50] <giorgio> but kde doesn't
[11:50] <campbch> :o ouch
[11:50] <morghanphoenix> I'm kinda worried after my slackware 10.2 to 11 attempt
[11:51] <morghanphoenix> Don't want to screw anything up
[11:51] <Dr_willis> heh - but i thought slackware was suppose dto be Perfect!
[11:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:51] <cellofellow> anybody know of a SCP client for Windows that makes Explorer work like Konqueror's fish:/, or maybe a Firefox extension for fish:/
[11:51] <cellofellow> ?
[11:51] <Dr_willis> i always do clean installs.. much less hassle
[11:51] <Dr_willis> winscp
[11:51] <morghanphoenix> Slapt-get is terrible.
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> morghanphoenix: there is a script to upgrade
[11:51] <giorgio> eh morghanphoenix, are you running a 2.6 kernel?
[11:51] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  winscp
[11:51] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, 2.6
[11:51] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: similar to fish?
[11:51] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  no clue.. but its the best scp client ive seen for windows
[11:52] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: ok
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> morghanphoenix: I wouldn't upgrade between releases with slapt-get
[11:52] <giorgio> morghanphoenix: then upgrade udev and its init script as one of the first things you do
[11:52] <Dr_willis> whats 'like fish:' supposed to even MEAN. :)
[11:52] <tapas> is it actually possible to create a root account on an ubuntu box?
[11:52] <Dr_willis> tapas,  trivially easy
[11:52] <giorgio> i think there's an UPGRADE.TXT on the first slackware cd
[11:52] <otaku-san> larson9999: only 90?  Did you do it through adept?
[11:52] <Dr_willis> tapas,  direct logging in as root is disabled.
[11:52] <tapas> [there's some rare cases here sudo can fail to work - i.e. when messing with the system clock] 
[11:52] <Dr_willis> tapas,  the account is still there.
[11:52] <tapas> Dr_willis: ok
[11:52] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: fish, just have the files show up like local ones in a filebrowser window.
[11:52] <morghanphoenix> I love pkgtool though, much better than it's debian eqivilant.
[11:53] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: icons
[11:53] <lupine_laptop> sudo is really eeasy to break
[11:53] <Dr_willis> tapas,  its like a Linux IQ test.. if you can figure out how to do it.. go for it.. if not.. better off using sudo :)
[11:53] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: have a seperate home partition?
[11:53] <giorgio> morghanphoenix: i actually installed pkgtools on dapper drake, and they sorta work :)
[11:53] <tapas> Dr_willis: haha :)
[11:53] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  winscp can do 2 pane filemanager, or MS-Explorer clonelooking
[11:53] <hazard2> sudo also won't  work if your hostname file dosen't includethe CORRECT sysytem hostname
[11:53] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  I got a seperate /home hard drive. :)
[11:53] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: perfect
[11:53] <lupine_laptop> I allways set a root password - "just in case", if noithing else
[11:54] <Dr_willis> lupine_laptop, shame shame! :) (so do i)
[11:54] <jarn> Whenever I try to access print, it says that it couldn't connect to the cups server.
[11:54] <jarn> When I go to print in kcontrol, that is.
[11:54] <cpk2> anyone have any ideas on getting my temp sensors to work?
[11:54] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, some programs want a root password and the kubuntu sudo thing doesn't satisfy them.
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> setting a root password is irrelevant if you don't use gui admin apps anyway
[11:54] <Dr_willis> !info lm-sensors
[11:54] <ubotu> lm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.9.2-5ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 463 kB, installed size 1452 kB
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> I hate windows, I really do.
[11:55] <tapas> h3sp4wn: oh well, sudo is sometimes a bit picky about the system clock [naturally] 
[11:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:55] <troy> does anyone know if the koffice 1.6 packages were repackaged for edgy final?
[11:55] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: let's talk about how much we like linux, not hate windows.
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> Installing the latest service pack on my girl's computer
[11:55] <tapas> h3sp4wn: so a root account into which one can ordinarily log might be good for those things
[11:55] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: people like positiveness.
[11:55] <Dr_willis> "hate the game, not the player"
[11:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:55] <cpk2> Dr_willis: I have lm-sensors installed
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> And this is supposed to be easier than linux?
[11:56] <lupine_laptop> :D
[11:56] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  did you configure it? :)
[11:56] <giorgio> please, find something better than adept for the next kubuntu. it drives people crazy :/
[11:56] <Dr_willis> I always install synaptic giorgio
[11:56] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: I hear ya. I was driven to linux by being stuck in windows 98/ME land.
[11:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:56] <solemnwarning> Upgrading to 6.10 reinstalled some package the scales my CPU down to 530Mhz, but I can't remember what it was called
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> giorgio: just use aptitude
[11:56] <draik> people use adept? I'm using the CLI now
[11:56] <MalfermitaKodo> Hi
[11:56] <solemnwarning> What is the app in kubuntu-desktop that scales the CPU down?
[11:56] <elijahlofgren> cellofellow: same here. My Dad didn't want to buy XP.
[11:57] <cpk2> Dr_willis: well there isnt even a man =\
[11:57] <morghanphoenix> ME was my reason, I formatted my hard drive on the phone with MS tech support.
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> giorgio: if you run it in a terminal you can still use the mouse
[11:57] <Napa> is there a good working dc++ client for kUbuntu  6.06.1 LTS ?
[11:57] <giorgio> h3sp4wn: well, i use straight apt, but many potential users would like a GUI app
[11:57] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone tell me where to best get help on ALSA?
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> giorgio: ncurses is a gui
[11:57] <giorgio> and synaptic is so damn simple and good
[11:57] <tapas> MalfermitaKodo: in #alsa
[11:57] <MalfermitaKodo> ah ty
[11:57] <odla> use smart package manager
[11:57] <solemnwarning> Anyone?
[11:57] <shadowhywind> what kind of alsa problem?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  it has a homepage. :)  use 'sensors-detect' i THINK is the command
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> odla: smart is slow here
[11:58] <odla> h3sp4wn: i've never tried it :)
[11:58] <giorgio> ok, going to reboot kde hoping it will be in italian next time :)
[11:58] <giorgio> cya soon
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> odla: not as bad as yum (but python for a package manager sucks if you ask me)
[11:58] <otaku-san> solemnwarning: sorry man...It seems no one knows...maybe google it?
[11:59] <odla> h3sp4wn: do you run kubuntu and debian sid?
[11:59] <solemnwarning> nvm, it's powernowd
[11:59] <cpk2> Dr_willis: No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. locate mkdev doesnt give me anything =\
[11:59] <Napa> is there a good working dc++ client for kUbuntu  6.06.1 LTS ?
[12:00] <lupine_laptop> MAKEDEV in ubuntu, I think
[12:00] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  load the i2c modules? you did run that wuth a sudo ?
[12:00] <cpk2> Dr_willis: yes
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> odla: all sort of stuff - sid for anything interactive (laptop and desktop now) I have an edgy xen with ifolder (various other xen's)
[12:00] <jarn> !turboprint
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about turboprint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <odla> h3sp4wn: i'm only got one laptop and i'm trying to figure out if i should continue to run sid or kubuntu on it
[12:01] <cpk2> Dr_willis: and how do I load the i2c modules?
[12:01] <livingdaylight> is there a Kubuntu version or KDE version of killall gnome-panel?
[12:01] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  modprobe whatever-they-are-called :) same as any other modules
[12:01] <cellofellow> I want to build a computer for less-than $600 (hardware) that will run edgy/feisty with XGL and Vista without Aero.
[12:01] <odla> h3sp4wn: any recommendations if i can only run one of my lappy?
[12:02] <cellofellow> Any suggestions? Duo-Core or 64bit preffered.
[12:02] <cpk2> hrmm well sbin has i2cdetect...
[12:02] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  i aint got lm-sensors installed to check
[12:02] <Dr_willis> i2c-core.ko
[12:02] <Dr_willis> perhaps..  I thought the sensors-detect command told ya what to install
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> odla: I would probably stick with sid (more upto date less broken than ubuntu+1 gets) unless you need specific laptop stuff which is only in ubuntu (for fan control etc)
[12:02] <cellofellow> What's got the most bang for the buck? AMD64 or Intel Core Duo?
[12:03] <odla> h3sp4wn: ok thanks :)
[12:03] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  not chedked prices lately. :)
[12:03] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  i hear intel core is nicer.. but i perfer amd.
[12:03] <cpk2> Dr_willis: Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. is what it says to do but i dont have a mkdev.sh
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> odla: I think sid breaks pretty rarely - dapper has had more problems (i.e the broken xorg update) than I have had with sid - I think that sid is hard to run is a myth (but often spoken in these parts)
[12:04] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  thats the OLD way..
[12:04] <TheGateKeeper> cellofellow: mag I was reading recently suggested Core Duo which kind of surprised me
[12:04] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  loading the modules should do that.
[12:04] <odla> h3sp4wn: how often do you update?
[12:04] <morghanphoenix> ARGH!
[12:04] <cpk2> alright i will try i2c-core.ko
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> odla: every 1 or 2 days
[12:04] <morghanphoenix> I think I need to visit the windows channel
[12:04] <odla> h3sp4wn: ok
[12:05] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  installing lm-sensors now
[12:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:05] <cellofellow> TheGateKeeper: Seems like a marketting gimmick. Two CPU's in one chip. Maybe it's cheaper than two chips
[12:05] <Dr_willis> it is cheaper.
[12:05] <morghanphoenix> This is really annoying.
[12:05] <odla> h3sp4wn: yeah i've had no problems so far with sid
[12:05] <Dr_willis> its not 2 complate chips. :)
[12:05] <cpk2> brb making some oatmeal
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> odla: the kubuntu add ons add slowness (reason I tried it in the first place)
[12:05] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: true. I heard they're good for small computers amd lappy's. Why's that?
[12:06] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  i2c-dev is not loaded. Do you want to load it now? (YES/no):             ---------< thats the module :) ya said yes?
[12:06] <giorgio> ok, italian at last
[12:06] <giorgio> thanks for the help
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> odla: ubuntu+1 is ok but the closer it gets to release the slower it gets (and sometimes it gets very broken)
[12:06] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  i2c-dev is not loaded. Do you want to load it now? (YES/no): yes
[12:06] <Dr_willis>  Module loaded succesfully.
[12:06] <Napa> Isn't there any dc++ clients for linux?
[12:06] <giorgio> now i need to find decent monitor settings
[12:06] <Tripuz> Hi, excuse me for the interruption, but I have a big problem with the edgy update process and I'm stuck! Would somebody help me?
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> cellofellow: I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Amd seemed be stealing the thunder for a while, but I think Intel have come back fighting...
[12:06] <odla> h3sp4wn: ok well i think i'll stick with sid then :)  thanks!
[12:07] <morghanphoenix> Great, #windows consists of a bunch of kids bitching about how evil thier parents are.
[12:07] <cellofellow> TheGateKeeper: yeah, brands and everything. But the 2core's seem to be marketed for small computers like iMacs and laptops? Why?
[12:08] <elijahlofgren> Tripuz: What problem are you having?
[12:08] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  im having OTHER issues with the lm-sensors 'sensor' program. :P
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: very low power (but core 2's are alot faster than the equivalent athlon X2)
[12:09] <TheGateKeeper> cellofellow: probable because vista will need it or the pc will come to a grinding halt lol
[12:09] <tapas> hmm, dpkg-reconfigure console-data fails here
[12:09] <Tripuz> well, I am using Dapper and followed the usual steps (changed repositories, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade)
[12:09] <Tripuz> everything downloaded fine
[12:09] <tapas> console-data is not installed [deboostrapped edgy] 
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Tripuz: did you install kubuntu-desktop before upgrading?
[12:09] <Tripuz> but when the install started I had several errors
[12:09] <cpk2> Dr_willis: hehe
[12:09] <Tripuz> I already had it installed
[12:09] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: ok. so if I'm looking at one of those barbones kits with a small case and powersupply, so a core 2 would be better there?
[12:09] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  the sensors command dont like the /sys stuff on ubuntu it seems
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Tripuz: apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: I would go for core 2 anyway in terms of performance (or woodcrest xeon)
[12:10] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: ok
[12:10] <solemnwarning> I upgraded to 6.10 and the madwifi module isn't in the restricted modules package any more, even though apt claims it is
[12:10] <Tripuz> just a sec I have my kubuntu box in another room
[12:10] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: I suppose windows doesn't like 64bit much.
[12:10] <solemnwarning> WHY did someone delete the mafwifi module??
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: core 2's are 64 bit
[12:11] <gnomefreak> solemnwarning: i dont think they did
[12:11] <solemnwarning> modprobe says module not found
[12:11] <tapas> and base-config doesn't exist either,,
[12:11] <tapas> hmm
[12:11] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: oh? I thought it was Core 2 Duo was a 64 core and a 32 core, and the Core Duo was 2 32 cores.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> !info madwifi edgy
[12:11] <ubotu> Package madwifi does not exist in edgy
[12:11] <gnomefreak> its still in restricted modules package
[12:11] <solemnwarning> There isn't one
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> cox377: I was talking about core 2
[12:11] <Tripuz> the strange thing is that now I can't find several packages, even with ubuntu-cache kubuntu-desktop isn't installed and there is no candidate version
[12:11] <solemnwarning> It WAS in the restricted modules, not any more
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: I was talking about core 2
[12:12] <Tripuz> I had some locale problems also, but dpkg-reconfigure didn't help
[12:12] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to fix this issue, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-dev_2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:12] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: oh, ok.
[12:12] <gnomefreak> shadowhywind: yes
[12:12] <gnomefreak> shadowhywind: join #ubuntu-classroom please
[12:12] <Tripuz> now I can't start X and apt seems to have several problems