=== Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === linnuxxy [n=chatzill@196.218.252.208] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Bye!"] [01:10] i need a full resolution image of the ubuntu CD cover === ZirJoker [n=joker@189.165.57.17] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:10] where can i find it? [01:10] somebody send me a screenshot of his desktop [01:12] I want to make a Ubuntu Key chain... is there any suitable images for that? === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ZirJoker [n=joker@189.165.57.17] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Abandonando"] === Trae [n=october@ip24-252-207-46.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:49] troy_s, you the head of this rag tag crew of space pirates? [01:49] :) === Trae adds #ubuntu-art to his xchat list [01:52] back in a sec. === Trae [n=october@ip24-252-207-46.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:56] bbl, Jericho and lost are coming on! [01:56] ;) === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Veritas [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [i=AndyFitz@nat/redhat/x-0553eb5a24d6c440] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:36] bah, already starting off on the wrong foot. heh. [04:36] gmail really needs a "Edit as New" feature. [04:37] Sorry about the email "forward" to the list. I originally sent to ubuntu-art@ubuntu.com which came back to me. :) === Trae goes to get some work done. [04:42] trae? you called? [04:42] troy_s, howdy [04:43] troy_s, Just sent an email to the list announcing my availability for work [04:43] :) [04:43] Sorry about the forward... I messed up (read above) [04:43] thought it was simply "sending as new" so to speak. :) [04:45] great stuff [04:45] unfortunately [04:45] sabdfl is going to re-hire the guy who developed the dapper work [04:46] so the community contributions regarding the official default work will be rather limited [04:46] don't be discouraged however, there are many projects gearing up off official. [04:47] ahhh [04:47] No worries [04:48] odd that Mark made that recent post then. [04:48] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/63 [04:48] seemed like a call to arms to me. [04:49] and whoeever runs ubuntu.com should fix the 1px bug that's been bugging me forever on the navigation links area [04:49] heh === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:52] http://occy.net/tmp/1px-bug-ubuntu.com.png [05:04] i believe his comments were directed more at the rather silly predicament he landed us in. [05:05] newz2000 is the canonical web fellow [05:05] forward your issues to him [05:05] heh, sent it to Mark, I'm sure he'll send it to him. [05:05] got his email addy? [05:06] newz2000 {AT} ubuntu? [05:16] don't waste sabs time [05:16] he has a gabillion mails per day [05:16] and things are very busy right now. [05:16] further, design by committee works very well actually. if you need references trae, just ask :) [05:17] troy_s, Perhaps, through your actions and others in this community, I'll come to agree with your "design by committee" works statement. [05:18] However, in my experience, it has not been the case [05:18] I'll have to simply agree to disagree with you on that one point ;) [05:18] Yeah, probably should have waited till the 27th huh? [05:18] ;) [05:18] heh [05:19] course, I have no idea what kind of craziness goes on during a release [05:20] that's fine [05:20] what is your experience? [05:20] well... [05:20] I do graphics. [05:21] Don't know if you remember themes.org [05:21] It used to be the place for Themes for X [05:21] I sent an image in that email to the list [05:21] http://occy.net/tmp/themes.net-FINAL-3.png [05:22] Everyone has different styles, this is a mockup of a Drupal theme I'm probably going to implement (unless I get tired of it by the time I actually get time to build the theme) [05:22] :) [05:22] I've been using Linux since 1996 [05:22] I only started using Linux because it was pretty [05:23] I saw a shot of Carsten's (Rasterman of E fame) fvwm-xpm and fell in love [05:23] ahh yes. e is wonderful. [05:23] It was the sex of that screenshot that made me fall in love with what was possible with a Desktop. [05:23] Wish I still had that old picture... [05:24] I've tried and used just about every window manager on the planet [05:24] I use Gnome personally... but try and use KDE about once a month [05:24] Needless to say, you certainly won't have much credit when stating 'design by committee doesn't work' when you are in an open source environment. the very tool that i type on now is entirely a byproduct of that approach. ;) [05:24] Don't feel like starting a DE war [05:24] troy_s, please read what I wrote [05:25] anyways, to give you a brief summary [05:25] Design and Applications are tied yes, but... Vision is another thing. [05:25] vision is also collaborative? [05:25] Ok, I will hold to my personal beliefs and work within the framework [05:25] is that fair? [05:26] I'm here to help [05:26] not argue or fight [05:26] as I stated in my email [05:26] I can be a solider [05:26] or I can lead [05:26] or I can be a community team working whatchawantme to do type of guy [05:27] Perhaps, through my involvement with this project, I'll come to see and understand the wisdom you've already attained, and that is that design can work by committee [05:28] I personally haven't seen it in action. [05:28] My best friend, Garrett, worked on the Redhat Desktop (Bluecurve?) [05:28] hey we are on the same page my friend. i am quite a fan of discussing those loftier concepts. [05:28] he worked with me on Linux.com and taught me tons about design and interface stuffs === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:29] shhh Madpilot is here [05:29] my interest is in _making it work_, which is rather new in the art sphere. it certainly has some wonderful examples of possibilities if you consider tango, etc. [05:29] Madpilot, ;) [05:29] hi all [05:29] greetz mad. [05:29] troy_s, check the Tango people list [05:29] http://tango.freedesktop.org/The_People [05:30] course, it's been a while since I've worked on Tango stuff, I helped get it off the ground. [05:30] some of the tango celebs hang out here. [05:30] Trae, funny, just clicked on your email to the artlist [05:30] didn't do any graphics, but was invited [05:30] err was invited to the project because a lot of the artists respect my opinion [05:30] (and are dear friends) [05:30] lapo, andreas, jimmac, etc. although i haven't seen much from jimmac of late. [05:31] yah.. Jakub rox [05:31] we are currently in a bit of a bind really... [05:31] Madpilot, hehe [05:31] the main problem is the fact that sabdfl is the authoritative 'vision' behind the art development end. [05:31] Madpilot, again sorry for the forward. *sigh* silly gmail [05:31] troy_s, that's a good thing! (imho :) [05:32] exactly my point about your initial post ;) [05:32] unless sabdfl hasn't a clue as to what good design is. But if he/she is the one that's doing stuff of late, then... we are in good hands [05:32] it can work, and it can fail. [05:32] troy_s, as with any project. [05:32] troy_s, and at some point, it will fail. [05:32] in particular, if you examine the dapper work [05:32] everything does [05:32] :) [05:32] you can see exactly the downside of it. [05:32] let's just hope it's much later rather than sooner (and I believe it'll be muuuuch later) [05:32] which is very obvious design issues regarding harmony of thematic, colour, style [05:33] nod [05:33] and the most surprising thing [05:33] is yet again [05:33] dapper was designed by one person [05:33] with a disto, things can get bottlenecked as there are lots of decisions [05:33] under sab's guidance. [05:33] but... control is a good thing (again, IMHO) when it comes to design and look and feel. [05:33] so, as per vision, there is a very clear one. strictly design speaking, one could make a textbook analysis and argue that there are some fundamental issues with some of the execution. [05:34] What sabdfl has to impart upon us is his vision and let us carry it out in his name [05:34] that sounds silly after tying it [05:34] well... he controls pixels. [05:34] hehe [05:34] having been through a good cycle of it, i can tell you -- you are welcome to attempt and meet the flow. [05:34] sippin' the sab Kool-aid [05:34] *chuckle* [05:35] troy_s, crazy stuff huh? [05:35] ultimately, what you see is about as close to perfection (in dapper) as sab would like. [05:35] ahh [05:35] I see lots of room for improvement personally [05:35] which, unfortunately, took a good deal to even swing the palette into alignment (albeit monochrome as it is) [05:35] indeed. [05:35] One idea I had... (silly me) is just like our release names [05:35] to have themes for each release [05:36] and UNTIE ourselves to this palette [05:36] you and possibly 99.99993% of the population. and that is only touching the portion that would consider themselves untrained and unqualified. [05:36] keep the same hues and sats... [05:36] good luck. [05:36] haha [05:36] I know [05:36] fundamentally, before you even begin design, i would make a pretty good case that you need a palette. [05:36] yup [05:36] being hue (value appropriate if you lay out a few guidelines) [05:36] well ubuntu has _no such creature_ [05:37] and we tried to get one [05:37] this past cycle [05:37] troy_s, just like with any design, you have to have a palette [05:37] but were horrifically stumped. [05:37] in terms of development [05:37] Personally, I think the best thing would be to steal Garrett LeSage from Novell [05:37] the brainstorm -> refine -> expand -> implement process simply was a complete disaster (despite working for every large design firm in existence) [05:37] *chuckle* [05:38] well kwwii is here from novell. [05:38] working on kde [05:38] but kubuntu is a different creature from ubuntu [05:38] nod [05:38] so let me stress, [05:38] sabdfl calls _all_ the shots [05:38] troy_s, yessir [05:38] troy_s, well, if he's seen my post and wants my help, I'm here. [05:39] and believe me, we had MUCH [05:39] participation from very talented folks [05:39] this cycle [05:39] _nothing_ was to his liking. [05:39] odd [05:39] Is he a KDE person? [05:39] and in the end, it resulted in a frantic rush to pixel push exactly what you see in edgy [05:39] that sounds like a crazy thing to ask but... [05:39] there is a pretty good paper trail if you would like to follow it. [05:40] don't need to reallly... I can probably get all I need to know by seeing a screenshot of his actual desktop [05:40] I can tell TONS about a person just from seeing how they have their own desktop set up [05:40] just look at dapper [05:40] ;) [05:40] haha [05:40] interesting [05:40] that is darn near perfection [05:40] so, i will say at the onset [05:41] that i believe we all had very lofty goals at the onset of edgy [05:41] hi troy_s [05:41] and i _do_ appreciate your stepping up to the plate. [05:41] because i very much value any artist with training and experience. [05:42] how goes it? [05:42] very good thank you [05:42] excellent! [05:43] there was a rather confusing email on the list this morning [05:43] sabdfl said that all the artwork in edgy was community contributed [05:44] or did i read that email wrong? [05:44] troy_s, Well... I'm here to help on small tasks at the moment if that will help. I know we have a long road to Fawn [05:44] yes you did [05:44] it is correect [05:44] correct even [05:45] as I can, I'll try and step up if needed [05:45] yes... [05:45] personally [05:45] i would like to see the team still contribute to what sab has regarding his current vision [05:45] if not, I'll sit back and offer my observations and they can either go to /dev/null or be of good use [05:45] :) [05:45] that means polishing up the minute bits... [05:45] if he will allow it... sometimes he is well open -- for example take the emblems [05:46] that happened overnight (unfortunately they needed some content attention regarding some of the icons chosen -- but alas, anything is good) [05:47] n8k99: did you manage to get some wiki thoughts down? [05:48] troy_s:no it's been heavy load here, daughter sick, uni assignments [05:48] hola [05:48] i mean hello [05:48] troy_s plus the wife's firm just picked up a heavy load [05:48] time disappeared [05:50] tis ok. my time is nil right now [05:50] thanks to this godforsaken show. [05:51] ah yes- the 18hrs of channel 1 === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:53] greets pas [05:55] n8k99: i will probably offer up a cross post to all the folks to see if i can muster up some braining. [05:58] that sounds good [05:59] going to bed now === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-artwork.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Topic for #ubuntu-artwork: Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork! For more information - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork - Hot from the oven: http://art-staging.ubuntu.com === Topic (#ubuntu-artwork): set by Seveas at Wed Oct 25 23:20:20 2006 [08:37] moins fellas [08:37] ahh troy_s {is,was} awake :) === AndyFitz [i=AndyFitz@nat/redhat/x-0553eb5a24d6c440] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host238-223-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:42] yo === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:05] greets folks. [02:18] wow [02:18] marks latest blog entry seems to have gained a little attention [02:18] hilarious really. [02:19] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/63#comment-10065 [02:19] possibly the best blog entry yet, although equally heavy handed. [02:36] heya troy_s [02:45] gnight folks === killkoy [n=matthew@host81-152-124-83.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h151n2fls33o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182056155.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host102-254-static.189-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:04] yo === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === frandavid100 [n=david@84-123-96-251.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:42] hellooo [07:42] didyou check the icon andreasn? === dborg_ [n=daniel@e182059020.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:06] hey frandavid100 [08:06] frandavid100: I'm afraid I haven't had time to look at the latest version yet [08:07] I'll take a look right away [08:08] hi andreasn [08:08] it has just a few nodes [08:08] was quite easy actually [08:09] cool, you're getting the hang of it [08:10] I think so [08:10] still have some doubts but it's getting better [08:11] I think you need to loose even more nodes in the corners [08:11] let me take a shot at it [08:11] so, what's the problem with more nodes? do they make the file heavier or something? [08:12] yes [08:12] exactly [08:13] and more for the svg renderer to keep track of [08:13] well they should have what? 3 nodes at the corners? [08:13] just one with handles? [08:13] yeah, try three [08:14] I'll give it a try [08:15] could you give me again the inkscape tango icons? [08:15] I'd like to try them [08:15] sure, hold on [08:15] http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/icons.svg [08:16] just put them in ~/.inkscape/icons [08:17] I'm not sure I get it. the link opens in epi and it's just a huge picture [08:18] save it to your harddrive [08:19] yeah, worked :D [08:19] now go to .inkscape/icons in your home folder [08:19] and copy it there [08:19] yeah it's done [08:19] looks gorgeous like this [08:20] still some rough edges in there [08:20] if you want to help out, it would be great [08:20] guess inkscape and gimp's icons should be updated soon [08:21] sure, if I get a bit more practice [08:21] gimp have new icons in the latest release [08:21] I'd love to contribute some icons [08:21] or, well, in the unstable release [08:21] cool, great to hear! [08:21] I'm gonna mess with the X for a while [08:21] see you now [08:22] cool, see ya! [08:23] is there any way to reset the handles? [08:24] reset? [08:24] well I'll try to make it clear [08:25] when you create a node [08:25] it's just a square, and acts like a corner [08:25] yeah [08:25] but you can set some handles to it, which make the lines curvy [08:25] can you delete those handles? [08:26] ah, and you want it straight again? [08:26] select the two nodes where there is a curve [08:26] and press the 10th icon under Edit paths and nodes [08:27] the one that says "Make selected segments lines" [08:27] there are two nodes with a straight line between them [08:28] alright yeah [08:28] this is too cool [08:28] I can see myself wasting dangerous amounts of time with this :P [08:28] hehe [08:29] I spend like 4 hours a day in Inkscape [08:30] hm, Ubuntu ships with the regular firefox icon now [08:30] I saw some of your icons before, like the one with the blackboard [08:30] they're just too cool [08:31] ah, the education one [08:32] it's was massively inspired by a icon by David Vignoni [08:32] don't know him, sorry [08:36] is there any way to make an object's edge fit another object? [08:36] like, automatically fix the nodes and handles [08:40] not that I know of [08:40] you could pop by #tango and ask [08:40] bet there is someone in there who knows [08:43] no, just wanted to know that I wasn't doing unnecessary work [09:02] alright andreasn I took out some more nodes [09:02] it's not much lighter though [09:07] need to grab some dinner now [09:07] can I take a look at it later? [09:07] sure [09:08] I don't understand it, as many nodes as I remove it weighs over 240kb, and the accept one weighs just 40 :( [09:08] File > Vaccum defs [09:08] oh man weighs 10kb now [09:11] okay guys [09:11] Which hand cursor should I keep? The one on the left or the one on the right? [09:11] http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/cusorsoptimize.png [09:12] Currently, I'm thinking of keeping the one on the left, but if you have good arguments for the one on the right, I might pick that one instead. [09:33] high-contrast? [09:59] is there anyone here who might consider making a logo for a website which isn't ubuntu-related? === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:12] imbrandon imbrandon_: I pointed auc to art-staging. Also I've set it up so that when art.kubuntu.org is setup it will go to the right place. === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Bye."] === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7B66C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7B66C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [10:30] andreasn: no, general-purpose. [10:30] ah, ok [10:30] we need more highcontrast love though [10:30] we need it bad [10:30] I guess it is high contrast too [10:30] :) [10:30] I intend to make larger versions later, maybe they can act as high contrast cursors? [10:31] hmm... I need to fix the question mark arrow [10:34] hm, yeah, a hc cursor set is cool [10:34] not sure if we have one or not right now [10:35] a random guess is no, as we seem to hate people with visual impairment or something for the moment [10:36] like count the number of apps having hc versions for their app icon === frandavid100 [n=david@84-123-96-251.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:41] Now, let's see [10:41] which icons am I still missing? [10:41] er [10:41] cursors === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveat.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:51] I guess I might need to make the small 2px stripes (resize icons) 3px instead so it can have an opaque area [10:51] http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/cusorsoptimize_1.png [10:52] I'm also wondering about the way the hand cursor is cut off... hmm. === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === frandavid100 [n=david@84-123-96-251.onocable.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === dborg__ [n=daniel@e182049172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork