[12:45] <jwhitlark> who
[12:46] <jwhitlark> I was thinking of updating the serial console howto, and adding a section on client configuration.  How should I go about this?
[12:47] <LaserJock> jwhitlark: on the wiki?
[12:49] <jwhitlark> yes, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[12:49] <jwhitlark> it uses 5.04, and has no client info.  Also, the settings used are very slow.
[12:50] <LaserJock> well, just go for it, if you need advice ask here or the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[12:51] <jwhitlark> ok.  I just didn't want to step on anyone's toes, and was not sure about editing someone else's work.
[12:53] <LaserJock> jwhitlark: it's a wiki, that's the fun part :-)
[12:53] <jwhitlark> Thanks.
[01:54] <Burgwork> mdke: you around?
[01:56] <LaserJock> Burgwork: "mdke beds" about 1.5 hrs ago
[01:56] <Burgwork> right
[01:56] <Burgwork> just restarted my client
[01:57] <LaserJock> Burgwork: one minor comment on the LIfecycle page you just gave in -devel
[01:57] <Burgwork> shoot
[01:57] <LaserJock> should "Packages in the universe and multiverse sections are supported by the community." be at the end of that paragraph
[01:58] <Burgwork> edit please
[01:58] <Burgwork> I am not currently
[01:59] <LaserJock> done
[08:59] <mdke> Burgwork: I'm around now
[09:03] <nixternal> hiya mdke!
[09:04] <mdke> hi nixternal 
[09:04] <nixternal> we can almost breathe a "small" sigh of relief
[09:04] <nixternal> now get ready for the bugs to start flying today
[09:04] <nixternal> hehe
[09:04] <mdke> in relief!
[09:05] <nixternal> at least we have 6 months, well a good 4 to 5 months to prepare for feisty docs
[09:05] <nixternal> or complete rather
[09:05] <mdke> yes, we need to do better this release
[09:06] <nixternal> also, we need to get Edubuntu docs into the repos so they can get a grip on them...they have no docs, except for a firefox start page
[09:07] <mdke> you did that already
[09:07] <mdke> no?
[09:07] <nixternal> they have a bunch of broken dreams? promises?  i would like to get them rocking
[09:07] <nixternal> well, the handbook
[09:07] <mdke> are there more?
[09:07] <nixternal> but that needs so much work
[09:07] <nixternal> well, they need an "About Edubntu", "Edubuntu Release Notes" just like the other projects do
[09:08] <mdke> hmm. Ubuntu doesn't have a release notes, it's prepared by the developers on the wiki
[09:08] <nixternal> RichEd and willdvl? are looking at making that all better for feisty..im trying to persuade them to go about doing documentation the same way we do..it is fairly simple and it is always maintained
[09:08] <mdke> good
[09:08] <nixternal> ya, i just got done doing the Kubuntu release page for the site
[09:34] <FireRabbit> hey the EdgyReleaseNotes page on the wiki still has the old artwork in the login screen shots, etc.... is anyone already working on this?
[09:34] <FireRabbit> is this page completely unofficial and doesnt matter?
[09:35] <mdke> FireRabbit: I think it's the official one, best to ask in -devel. If you can work on it, that would be great
[09:35] <FireRabbit> ok..
[10:48] <Kagou> hi
[10:48] <Kagou> mdke: i'v made Bug #68343
[10:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68343 in ubuntu-docs "French packaging guide not installed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68343
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68343 in ubuntu-docs "French packaging guide not installed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68343
[05:27] <LinuxGuy2006> someone needs to update the Ubuntu page: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases   it does not include the Edgy release
[05:28] <jsgotangco> newz2000: ^^
[05:28] <newz2000> LinuxGuy2006, jsgotangco: thanks. Will do.
[05:28] <LinuxGuy2006> your welcome
[05:34] <poningru> newz2000: yarr
[05:35] <newz2000> poningru: what's up?
[07:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68424 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Linux pronunciation guide is wrong." [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68424
[07:28] <Burgwork> newz2000: we need new screenshots for the /desktop page as well
[07:29] <newz2000> Burgwork: are there any other editors who could put that on the todo list? I'm bogged down for a bit
[07:29] <Burgwork> newz2000: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/LifeCycle
[07:29] <Burgwork> newz2000: I will do it
[07:29] <newz2000> thanks
[10:00] <JoseStefan> i need a second opinion revising the edgy upgrade instructions for kubuntu
[10:01] <JoseStefan> is there a working pure GUI way of upgrading? the instructions were changed to aot, and were redundant
[10:01] <JoseStefan> apt*
[10:02] <LaserJock> update-manager
[10:02] <LaserJock> oh, well I'm not sure about Kubuntu
[10:03] <JoseStefan> there used to be an adept method, on the upgrade page
[10:04] <JoseStefan> added on revision 11
[10:04] <JoseStefan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades?action=diff&rev2=11&rev1=10
[10:04] <JoseStefan> later on was modified to apt, which was redundant with instructions already shown on other method
[10:05] <JoseStefan> so question is, is this adept method reliable, and so, should it be re-added ?
[10:06] <Burgwork> I would ask in #kubuntu-devel
[10:07] <nixternal> Adept
[10:08] <crimsun> fwiw, I dist-upgraded my parents' machine using gksu "update-manager -c" from breezy->dapper->edgy [after having them manually do hoary->breezy] , and it was a cinch
[10:08] <nixternal> check out the Kubuntu Release Notes for 6.10, I wrote up a brief tutorial on a proper dist-upgrade utilizing the Adept Package Manager
[10:08] <crimsun> so yes, JoseStefan, there's a "pure gui way" from at least breezy->dapper->edgy
[10:09] <JoseStefan> crimsun, Kubuntu?
[10:09] <JoseStefan> nixternal, will check release notes
[10:09] <crimsun> yes
[10:09] <nixternal> crimsun only uses Kubuntu, he just said told me an hour ago that the Edgy release of Kubuntu has caused him to renounce GNOME all together, and that he will never use GNOME again
[10:10] <JoseStefan> so update-manager is effective for all *ubuntu desktop ?
[10:10] <crimsun> JoseStefan: depending on which packages are installed, yes
[10:10] <JoseStefan> ok
[10:10] <crimsun> (and which repos are currently active when "update-manager -c" is invoked)
[10:11] <crimsun> nixternal: it's the purplish. Can't... stay... away...
[10:11] <nixternal> hehe
[10:11] <nixternal> crimsun: im going to take "English as a Second Language" next semester...my writing has went to garbage here lately
[10:12] <crimsun> I need to retake a journalism class or six
[10:12] <nixternal> lol
[10:12] <nixternal> that was a cool course, but i did an "online" version of it
[10:13] <nixternal> hmm..it seems it is one of my available courses according to my degree audit
[10:21] <JoseStefan> for kubuntu, it wouldnt exactly be:   gksu "update-manager -c"
[10:21] <JoseStefan> gksu?
[10:21] <Burgwork> no gtk, no update-mager
[10:21] <JoseStefan> ok, now i'm confused
[10:22] <Burgwork> update-manager and gksudo are gnome technologies
[10:26] <JoseStefan> so what would be the kubuntu GUI way?
[10:29] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[10:29] <nixternal> scroll down to the "Upgrading from 6.06 LTS"
[10:29] <nixternal> almost all the way down at the bottom of the page
[10:30] <nixternal> arg
[10:30] <nixternal> never mind..it seems they decided agains that "GUI" way I wrote i tup, and went with a "technival savvy" way instead...which is not good
[10:31] <JoseStefan> take a look at this old edit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades?action=diff&rev2=11&rev1=10
[10:32] <nixternal> that sounds correct to me
[10:32] <nixternal> almost what I had word for word as a matter of fact
[10:33] <JoseStefan> do you have an older copy of what you wrote?
[10:43] <nixternal> actually, i do
[10:43] <nixternal> one sec
[10:46] <nixternal> JoseStefan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28503/
[10:49] <JoseStefan> any reason why they went for the CLI approach ?
[10:50] <Burgwork> JoseStefan: there is no gui optoin
[10:50] <mdke> eh, update manager doesn't work automatically?
[10:51] <Burgwork> doesn't exist in kubuntu
[10:51] <mdke> oh no, because of the LTS thing
[10:51] <mdke> ah, my bad
[10:52] <JoseStefan> Burgwork, adept?
[10:52] <Burgwork> might do
[10:52] <Burgwork> never used kubuntu
[10:54] <JoseStefan> me neither
[10:59] <pygi> JoseStefan: what do you need with adept? :P
[11:00] <JoseStefan> i was revising the edgy upgrade wiki
[11:18] <ragnar_123> there is a typo in http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu, could some admin fix it, it's located under the danish distributor, linux pusher, in the url
[11:18] <Burgwork> ragnar_123: got it
[11:20] <Burgwork> ragnar_123: done
[11:21] <ragnar_123> nice
[11:24] <mdke> Burgwork: if you're up for it, there's a second typo in bug 68388
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68388 in ubuntu-website "Two broken links on the website" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68388
[11:25] <Burgwork> and GEtUbuntu is a hedious page name
[11:26] <Burgwork> we can deal with that next week
[11:26] <mdke> I think it is Jane's baby, to be honest
[11:26] <mdke> seems like a fairly intuitive name to me
[11:27] <Burgwork> but it doesn't fit with the rest of the url scheme
[11:27] <Burgwork> which is all lowercase
[11:27] <mdke> true. They are developing a new section for products, top level tag. Maybe they are gonna change the url style too
[11:28] <Burgwork> I hope not
[11:28] <JoseStefan> Burgwork, /download currently redirects, which is a good thing
[11:28] <Burgwork> I wish they would fracking tell us when the are changing the website
[11:29] <JoseStefan> maybe it redirects to the wrong page, let me check
[11:29] <mdke> Burgwork: the website is currently Canonical's domain, as they are doing the marketing of Ubuntu. It's quite natural I think that they plan their tactics without telling us
[11:29] <Burgwork> that is utter crack and you know it
[11:29] <Burgwork> it is UBUNTU's not CANONICALS
[11:30] <mdke> no need for the caps. But what I say is the simple reality
[11:30] <Burgwork> mostly they play nice
[11:30] <Burgwork> this is one area they need to shape up
[11:30] <mdke> Canonical run Ubuntu, from the business, to the development to the marketing
[11:30] <mdke> and the website is both business and marketing :)
[11:30] <JoseStefan> download page redirects to GetUbuntu/download    is this correct, or should it be: GetUbuntu/
[11:30] <Burgwork> so
[11:31] <mdke> JoseStefan: it seems to work as it is
[11:31] <Burgwork> the redirect is correct
[11:31] <JoseStefan> GetUbuntu/ is prettier
[11:32] <Burgwork> mdke: for that matter, the new Canonical marketing director has not introducing themselves to the marketing team
[11:32] <mdke> Burgwork: I didn't know that role had been filled already
[11:32] <mdke> you're right of course, communication with the community is really bad.
[11:32] <mdke> but that's life. Canonical so far are doing a good job
[11:33] <Burgwork> I am also angry 'cause today I learned work is not letting me go to MTV
[11:33] <mdke> no need for the revolution as yet
[11:33] <mdke> ;)
[11:33] <Burgwork> no, I am not asking for the revolution
[11:33] <Burgwork> I am asking for communication
[11:33] <mdke> yeah, I was joking
[11:33] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you aren't coming to MTV?!?
[11:33] <Burgwork> I have asked newz2000 several times for his plans for the website
[11:33] <Burgwork> LaserJock: fracking work...
[11:33] <Burgwork> angry
[11:34] <LaserJock> Burgwork: want me to call Tim?
[11:34] <Burgwork> nothing todo with him
[11:34] <LaserJock> I can threaten to put a virus in desktop-multiplier unless they let you go ;-)
[11:34] <Burgwork> I might be there Tuesday morning, if this giant project falls apart
[11:34] <Burgwork> which I expect it o
[11:34] <Burgwork> to
[11:35] <mdke> so who is the communications manager?
[11:35] <mdke> I thought the whole point of that role was to increase canonical<->community communication
[11:35] <Burgwork> christine somebody
[11:35] <Burgwork> she sent out the Hoary EOL
[11:36] <mdke> oh right, yeah
[11:36] <JoseStefan> where is the hoary EOL announcement?
[11:36] <mdke> matthewrevell mentioned her
[11:36] <Burgwork> yep
[11:36] <Burgwork> -security-announce
[11:36] <Burgwork> it was not sent to -announce, for some insane reason
[11:37] <JoseStefan> should be both, for good measure
[11:37] <LaserJock> I wish we could see an outline of who does what in Canonical for the positions that directly effect the community
[11:37] <Burgwork> yes, but mdz disagreed with me
[11:37] <mdke> yeah. apparently she prepared the press release for edgy too
[11:37] <LaserJock> as Canonical is getting bigger it's getting harder and harder to figure out who's doing what
[11:37] <Burgwork> LaserJock: start a page on the wiki
[11:37] <Burgwork> we can start adding names as needed
[11:38] <Burgwork> CanonicalStaff or something
[11:39] <LaserJock> I'm not sure Mark would appreciate that
[11:39] <Burgwork> start it
[11:39] <Burgwork> he doesn't want to tell us, that is fine
[11:41] <mdke> i think it's a good idea
[11:41] <mdke> which people to contact for which task, etc
[11:41] <Burgwork> if anything, it will lower the number of people you need to contact
[11:42] <mdke> and avoid time wasting when the wrong people are contacted
[11:43] <Burgwork> yep
[11:43] <Burgwork> list emails?
[11:43] <mdke> link to LP page, I'd say
[11:43] <Burgwork> that works
[11:43] <Burgwork> name and position
[11:45] <mdke> get Jane to fill it in
[11:45] <Burgwork> do what we can and then pass it to her
[11:46] <theCore> Burgwork, why are you angry?
[11:46] <Burgwork> theCore: a bunch of stuff
[11:46] <Burgwork> scroll up
[11:46] <theCore> communication problems?
[11:47] <Burgwork> yes
[11:47] <Burgwork> of all kinds
[11:47] <theCore> what's wrong with the website? 
[11:47] <Burgwork> lack of communication from Canonical as to roadmap
[11:50] <JoseStefan> how long are repositories kept for EOL releases?
[11:51] <JoseStefan> eg: warty ?
[11:51] <Burgwork> indefinitely
[11:51] <Burgwork> licensing
[11:51] <JoseStefan> but these are basically static ?
[11:51] <Burgwork> yes
[11:55] <Burgwork> what has the world come to?
[11:55] <JoseStefan> gif? ugh
[11:56] <Burgwork> can't do animated png
[11:56] <JoseStefan> hopefully soon we will
[11:56] <JoseStefan> you probably can, but no one is gonna be able to see them :(
[11:56] <nixternal> ya, they have been saying animated png for years now
[11:56] <JoseStefan> "most" used browsers dont even support transparency correctly
[11:57] <nixternal> "most" == Internet Explorer
[11:57] <JoseStefan> lol
[11:57] <JoseStefan> webmasters need to face reality
[11:57] <JoseStefan> broken standards can be a nightmare
[11:57] <nixternal> there are transparency hacks though to make them work with internet explorer
[11:58] <nixternal> *html>body tags get old really quick in css files
[11:58] <theCore> mng is not for soon, neither apng
[11:58] <JoseStefan> you can't design a webpage only for power users...
[11:58] <nixternal> i had my blog setup to block all internet explorer browsers
[11:58] <JoseStefan> i try to reach as many browsers as possible
[11:58] <theCore> nixternal, that's nasty :)
[11:59] <nixternal> it was a wordpress plugin
[11:59] <nixternal> it worked very good as well
[11:59] <JoseStefan> i have a tictactoe game that even works on a Sony PSP, but has minor issues
[11:59] <nixternal> it did block anything internet explorer like a champ
[11:59] <JoseStefan> crossbrowser javascript is another nightmare
[12:04] <JoseStefan> is there an upgrade path from debian to ubuntu? or does it require re-install ?
[12:04] <JoseStefan> there used to be sarge -> warty, i wonder how that has evolved
[12:06] <Burgwork> there is no debian --> ubuntu upgrade path that is supported
[12:06] <Burgwork> and the old one was woody --> warty
[12:07] <Burgwork> however, sarge --> breezy|dapper|edgy woudl likely work
[12:07] <Burgwork> with some manual hacking
[12:07] <LaserJock> just alien a checkinstalled update-manager .rpm for Debian and run it a bunch of time ;-)
[12:08] <Burgwork> ugh
[12:09] <LaserJock> sorry
[12:10] <Burgwork> LaserJock: keep that up and I will make you package tcl ;)
[12:10] <Burgwork> I have a giant steaming pile of it for anybody who wants
[12:13] <crimsun> as in tcl/tk?
[12:14] <pygi> crimsun: I assume so :)
[12:14] <crimsun> it's not that bad
[12:14] <crimsun> scons is worse
[12:15] <Burgwork> crimsun: as in aolserver tcl
[12:15] <pygi> whats wrong with scons? :P
[12:15] <crimsun> nothing's _wrong_ with scons. It can just be a pain to package and/or use.