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| rmjb | wow ajmitch, you probably don't sleep | 12:14 |
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| bhale | he is on the other side of the world from the rest of us | 12:14 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: huh? | 12:14 |
| rmjb | every time I'm on you're on... | 12:14 |
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| ajmitch | well yes, it's called not disconnecting the irc client | 12:14 |
| zul | besides ajmitch is a weirdo | 12:15 |
| rmjb | I should try that... | 12:15 |
| rmjb | I should try that too... | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | zul: yes, so? | 12:15 |
| zul | just saying | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | bah, he's not weird | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | he just like the rest of us :-) | 12:16 |
| zul | you are saying that im weird? | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | yes | 12:17 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 12:17 |
| zul | LaserJock: oh ok... | 12:17 |
| Nafallo | what a discussion :-) | 12:17 |
| rmjb | feels like home | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | zul: come on dude, anybody that *volunteers* to maintain Xen and kernels stuff has got to be a few card short of a full deck ;-) | 12:18 |
| zul | LaserJock: heh thats what my wife says | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: 52? | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | zul: how is the wife, btw? | 12:18 |
| zul | 52.55555555555 | 12:18 |
| zul | LaserJock: shes good, baby is good she had morning sickness this morning | 12:19 |
| zul | find out the sex on monday hopefully | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | zul: when is the ETA? | 12:19 |
| zul | and shes whiney :) | 12:19 |
| zul | Marchish | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | cool | 12:19 |
| zul | yeah havent started to freak out yet | 12:19 |
| zul | that reminds brb...need to reboot | 12:20 |
| === LaserJock guesses Xen will need to be in good shape for Feisty before March :-) | ||
| ajmitch | due a bit before release time.. | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: of course it will be | 12:20 |
| zul | heh yeah.. | 12:20 |
| zul | brb | 12:20 |
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| ajmitch | welcome back, zul | 12:26 |
| zul | thanks.. | 12:26 |
| zul | damn kernel | 12:26 |
| zul | LaserJock: yeah so everything is cool | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | zul: shhh, that's your bread and butter ;-) | 12:27 |
| rmjb | am I a MOTU Hopeful or a MOTU Wannabe? | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: either | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | there's not exactly any set title :) | 12:28 |
| rmjb | there's not process with stages then... | 12:28 |
| rmjb | s/not/no/ | 12:29 |
| rmjb | ok | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | the process is that you become a member, then a motu, then if you have far too much spare time, a core dev | 12:30 |
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| LaserJock | zul: ok, realistically how hard is it to set up Xen for somebody that doesn't have a clue? | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: a few minutes | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | I wouldn't mind having a Debian install or something | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | I'm kinda tired of chroots | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | debian is easy to setup | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | since you can use xen-tools to set it up with debootstrap | 12:31 |
| rmjb | xen uses a vmdk like vmware? or a chroot like filesystem? | 12:31 |
| === ajmitch usually sets it up with disk images | ||
| ajmitch | or LVM | 12:32 |
| zul | yep couple of minutes | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | hardest part is setting up the kernel in grub | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | which is copy & paste | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | ok, well this might show my complete ignorance here | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | how does the networking work? | 12:34 |
| zul | it uses a bridge network | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | and can the different installs (domains?) share files? | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | only via a network filesystem like nfs at the moment, afaik | 12:34 |
| zul | share files as in how? | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | I don't think the host fs stuff is there yet | 12:35 |
| zul | cow? | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | or like that.. :) | 12:35 |
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| LaserJock | so it's really like a virtual machine | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | i.e. I could ssh to the host | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | it really is virtualisation, yes :) | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | no chroot-like stuff | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | you have to remember I'm a chemist | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | as if that's an excuse.. | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | an experimental chemist | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | you're a MOTU | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | I suppose | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | we expect great things of you | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | that doesn't mean I know everything though ;p | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | none of us do | 12:38 |
| === Fujitsu isn't so sure about ajmitch, though. | ||
| ajmitch | if we did, we'd be getting paid a lot more & not be here ;) | 12:38 |
| rmjb_ | you really wouldn't be here? | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | I'd be in Oslo, getting a prize ;-) | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | and then I'd settle down in some place in the middle of nowhere Montana with a cluster and a T1 | 12:40 |
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| rmjb_ | is there an NMU ( I guess that's Non-Maintainer Update ) policy for MOTUs? | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | no | 12:43 |
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| ajmitch | no | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | there isn't any such thing as a NMU in Ubuntu | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | since we don't have the same maintainer lock that debian does | 12:44 |
| rmjb_ | cool | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: you got ops in #edubuntu? | 12:44 |
| zul | however some people are picky if you touch their packages sometimes | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | no | 12:44 |
| gnomefreak | someone needs to | 12:44 |
| === Fujitsu does a Xen upload, and watches zul scream. | ||
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: you break it, you get the bugs | 12:44 |
| gnomefreak | hes working his way around channels | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | I noticed | 12:45 |
| === ajmitch only has ops in a couple of channels | ||
| Fujitsu | The guy who was in -offtopic a while ago? | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | probably | 12:45 |
| Fujitsu | Ah yes, it is. | 12:45 |
| gnomefreak | Fujitsu: cyro... hes a troll and has been banned from most channels | 12:45 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, I noticed. | 12:45 |
| rmjb_ | it's okay to touch a package that's utnubu maintained right? I was told that's just a place holder for debian packages | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | Wow, he made up a custom insult for me! | 12:46 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: yes | 12:47 |
| Fujitsu | Hahahaha. | 12:49 |
| Fujitsu | He's got three onto him. | 12:49 |
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| gnomefreak | grab him here too | 12:53 |
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| tseng | god what a cunt | 12:54 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o ajmitch] by ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | I have to head out now | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Bye ajmitch. | 12:54 |
| rmjb | laters ajmitch | 12:54 |
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| zul | he is on -bugs now | 01:10 |
| gnomefreak | i see | 01:10 |
| gnomefreak | cant do nothing | 01:11 |
| gnomefreak | waiting for staff to contact me about it | 01:11 |
| Fujitsu | He's most pleasant... | 01:11 |
| Fujitsu | Damnit. | 01:11 |
| Fujitsu | Only three with ops in -bugs. | 01:11 |
| Fujitsu | (dholbach, sfllaw, Seveas) | 01:11 |
| gnomefreak | seveas is not around | 01:11 |
| Fujitsu | We need to get staff onto this, we can't do a thing :( | 01:12 |
| gnomefreak | dholbach im guessing is sleeping about now | 01:12 |
| gnomefreak | i pinged one | 01:12 |
| gnomefreak | waiting for reply :( | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach won't be up for another 5 or 6 hours... sfllaw similar, and Seveas isn't here... | 01:12 |
| zul | http://www.cyorxamp.info/ some call him up and tell him he is gay | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | We've got a big timezone gap :( | 01:12 |
| bhale | he would have my # after that | 01:13 |
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| gnomefreak | can i and still keep my membership lol | 01:14 |
| Burgwork | sfflaw should be up and around | 01:15 |
| bhale | I would defend you if you came up with something better than "yer gay" | 01:15 |
| gnomefreak | bhale: oh im sure i can | 01:15 |
| bhale | great | 01:15 |
| rmjb | that's probably not his site... unless he's baiting people to contact him | 01:16 |
| === gnomefreak wonders wth the good of /stats p if they dont respond | ||
| bhale | right | 01:16 |
| bhale | this network is crap | 01:16 |
| bhale | rewriting the RFC as they see fit | 01:17 |
| bhale | keeping you from talking to staff, etc | 01:17 |
| Fujitsu | bhale: Can we /please/ try to not start flamewars like this? They always turn into nasty nasty things.. .(although I agree with you on this) | 01:17 |
| bhale | Fujitsu: i have been flaming freenode for years | 01:17 |
| bhale | Fujitsu: i doubt Ill stop anytime soon | 01:17 |
| bhale | meh | 01:17 |
| Burgwork | some of this is our own fault | 01:18 |
| bhale | the access lists are horrible | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | yes | 01:18 |
| bhale | particuarly this channel | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | they are not clearly updated | 01:18 |
| gnomefreak | Burgwork: there was a poll on the ops mailing list about this | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | just saw that | 01:19 |
| Fujitsu | Wow, a whole 3 people with rights here. | 01:19 |
| bhale | er | 01:19 |
| bhale | a whole... | 01:19 |
| bhale | 128 people | 01:19 |
| bhale | with rights | 01:19 |
| bhale | op yourself, have fun | 01:19 |
| gnomefreak | same in -bugs | 01:19 |
| bhale | GO NUTS | 01:19 |
| Fujitsu | Chanserv's access list has 3 people. | 01:19 |
| bhale | i get fussy when a kid with a script joins and his client ops him automatically | 01:19 |
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| rmjb | I like FireRabbit's tactic | 01:20 |
| Fujitsu | So, can somebody just op themselves here? | 01:20 |
| bhale | yes. | 01:20 |
| Fujitsu | And in -bugs? | 01:21 |
| bhale | shrug | 01:21 |
| Fujitsu | No, unfortunately... | 01:22 |
| rmjb | BTW there's no showstoppers for Edgy's release tomorrow? | 01:22 |
| gnomefreak | we have a staffer in -meeting but hes not doing anything just watching :( | 01:23 |
| Fujitsu | rmjb: Not at the moment. | 01:23 |
| rmjb | cool, looking forward to it... will be busy in the forums | 01:23 |
| Fujitsu | Wouldn't it be nice if we could easily get in contact with the channel of staff? | 01:23 |
| bhale | I said that | 01:24 |
| bhale | and was called a troll :) | 01:24 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 01:24 |
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| Fujitsu | You mean by me? | 01:24 |
| bhale | yes | 01:24 |
| bhale | its all true | 01:24 |
| Fujitsu | No, I just advised you against starting the flamewar again... It is true, yes. | 01:24 |
| Fujitsu | Similar, but not the same, as calling you a troll :) | 01:25 |
| Fujitsu | I think we need to contact the newly formed IRC Council(tm) about getting some reasonable numbers of ops in the channels... Two in -meeting isn't exactly adequate, especially now Seveas isn't around as much. | 01:29 |
| Hawkwind | Fujitsu: We're working on it | 01:29 |
| bhale | who is Hawkwind / IRC Council | 01:31 |
| === TheMuso reviews the ops list for #ubuntu-accessibility, but suspects that it won't come under the same attack. But wh knows really. | ||
| bhale | TheMuso: you can list all channels | 01:31 |
| bhale | -meeting isnt obvious, either | 01:31 |
| Hawkwind | bhale: No. But I'm an op in #Kubuntu so I know a bit of what's going on with with IRC council | 01:31 |
| bhale | is that Ubuntu IRC Council? | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | bhale: ? | 01:32 |
| bhale | TheMuso: ? | 01:32 |
| Hawkwind | bhale: It's the IRC Council for all *Ubuntu related channels | 01:32 |
| bhale | TheMuso: security by obscurity is bupkis | 01:32 |
| bhale | oh | 01:32 |
| bhale | the people who will beat me up when i say naughty things | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | bhale: I know one can list all channels, but I am simply reviewing the list for #ubuntu-accessibility to ponder whether I should grant ops to more people. But at the same time, suspect that that channel won't come under attack. | 01:34 |
| TheMuso | But who knows. | 01:34 |
| bhale | as I said, if your garden variety troll can find -meeting and -bugs | 01:34 |
| bhale | he can find anything | 01:34 |
| luisbg | to become a motu do I need to get my gpg signed by a member of the community in person like in debian? | 01:35 |
| Burgwork | TheMuso: all ubuntu channels will get hit | 01:35 |
| bhale | luisbg: yes. | 01:35 |
| luisbg | bhale, in a near future I would need to find a motu close to where I live then | 01:36 |
| bhale | where is that | 01:36 |
| luisbg | madrid, spain | 01:36 |
| bhale | hm | 01:36 |
| TheMuso | Burgwork: Can you be sure of that? | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | TheMuso: yes | 01:36 |
| bhale | jordim is in Vilanova | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | 100% | 01:36 |
| bhale | thats rather far i think | 01:36 |
| TheMuso | Righto. | 01:37 |
| luisbg | bhale, a little yes | 01:37 |
| Fujitsu | luisbg: Generally there'll be a Debian Developer in a fairly close vicinity to everywhere. | 01:37 |
| Burgwork | there are lots of debian users in spain | 01:37 |
| TheMuso | I'll keep a look out then. | 01:37 |
| bhale | oh | 01:37 |
| bhale | Beowulf | 01:37 |
| luisbg | Fujitsu, can the key be signed by a debian developer too? | 01:37 |
| bhale | [oftc] -|- ircname : Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo | 01:37 |
| bhale | look him up | 01:37 |
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| luisbg | anybody knows if emails can be gpg signed in gmail? | 01:38 |
| bhale | no | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | I was a motu before my key was signed by an Ubuntu/Debian person :-) | 01:39 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, hey! cool to know | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | although I would certainly think it is better to have a Ubuntu person do it | 01:39 |
| luisbg | but anyway... there is enough time until that happens to get to know someone close | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that there is a exact rule on who has to sign your key | 01:40 |
| bhale | biglumber.com | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | I find gpg keys kind of weird that way. | 01:40 |
| luisbg | it's the weird point of the system | 01:41 |
| luisbg | how to get a good system to trust the keyrings | 01:41 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, may I query you? | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | sure | 01:41 |
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| bhale | luisbg: i really think jsogo@debian.org is in Madrid | 01:42 |
| bhale | Beowulf on irc | 01:42 |
| bhale | he is in spain | 01:43 |
| luisbg | writing it down for a future reference | 01:43 |
| bhale | ok | 01:43 |
| bhale | he could at least tell you other people in the area i guess | 01:43 |
| luisbg | ok, thanks | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | getting a DD to sign your key is nice | 01:43 |
| bhale | I got Manoj | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | I had to wait until Paris for that | 01:44 |
| bhale | who is gpg KING | 01:44 |
| bhale | his signature is like gold | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I got mako, dholbach, and ogra in Paris | 01:44 |
| === Nafallo got Mithrandir and Simira :-) | ||
| bhale | ihave those | 01:44 |
| bhale | its like trading cards | 01:44 |
| bhale | gotta get em all | 01:44 |
| Fujitsu | I was thinking that. | 01:45 |
| bhale | i need a LaserJock | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | haha | 01:45 |
| === Nafallo needs to catch more ;-) | ||
| === Fujitsu needs... something :( | ||
| Nafallo | Fujitsu: sex? ;-) | 01:46 |
| luisbg | for some reason... once you create yourself a gpg key... you crave getting it signed a lot of times | 01:46 |
| TheMuso | Seems our pal Cyorxamphas moved elsewhere. | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | well, Nevada isn't exactly the easiest place to find Ubuntu devs to sign your key :/ | 01:46 |
| Fujitsu | Ha. Ha. | 01:47 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, no ubuntu devs in the middle of the desert | 01:47 |
| === Fujitsu really needs to locate someone for signing :( | ||
| luisbg | night all! | 01:47 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, luisbg. | 01:47 |
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| ajmitch | hi Hobbsee | 02:05 |
| Fujitsu | Hi Hobbsee. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | hi ajmitch | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | hey Fujitsu | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | how interesting, I was just reading the comments on Mark's latest blog post | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | yeah.. | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | many people don't like the brown | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | is that they are used to blue or what? | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I don't get it | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | brown just isn't appealing to many people | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I think it's a whole lot better then the blue | 02:08 |
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| LaserJock | I guess that's just me though | 02:09 |
| === ajmitch has blue on his desktop | ||
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: I agree, I much prefer it to blue. | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | blue is pretty generic to me | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | I like generic | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | to bright as well a lot of the time | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | I don't like a UI that's in my face | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | the brown is relaxing to me | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | not generic as in boring | 02:10 |
| Fujitsu | It's relaxing, easy on the eyes, generally pleasant. | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | generic as in expected | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | I think I'll give up on #ubuntu & #ubuntu+1 for awhile | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 02:10 |
| naer_dinsul | So, just out of curiosity, is Firefox 2.0 going to be in Edgy? | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | naer_dinsul: It is. | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: We need all hands on deck! | 02:12 |
| naer_dinsul | Fujitsu: Ah... Beautiful. Okay. Thank you. | 02:12 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: I'll be in my bunker coding for feisty | 02:12 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 02:12 |
| Fujitsu | Do we know when Feisty will open? | 02:12 |
| === ajmitch needs to get some stuff whipped up in the next week to bring to MV | ||
| ajmitch | no, and don't you dare ask in -devel | 02:12 |
| ajmitch | let people rest for a few days | 02:13 |
| Fujitsu | Never! | 02:13 |
| Burgwork | bleeding hell | 02:13 |
| Burgwork | edgy is not even out yet | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | I think fiesty will open up as soon as edgy is released | 02:13 |
| Fujitsu | Pfft, it's frozen, close enough :P | 02:13 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: It was about a week last time. | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | but the toolchain will take a week or 2 to iron out | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | I'm probably not going to upload anything until after Mountain View | 02:14 |
| Fujitsu | <jbroome> is feisty out yet? is it usable? | 02:14 |
| naer_dinsul | Well, for what it's worth, I really appreciate the work you guys do on Ubuntu. | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | haha | 02:14 |
| === ajmitch has packages already built & waiting for feisty to open | ||
| ajmitch | I even got bug reports requesting packages be done before feisty opens | 02:16 |
| rmjb | I just saw that signing the gpg key thing... what will I do? I'm in Trinidad in the caribbean! | 02:17 |
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| Fujitsu | rmjb: There's probably a Debian Developer there somewhere :) | 02:18 |
| === ajmitch looks | ||
| rmjb | I doubt, we're small, less than 1.5 mill people... but if you know of any I'd be greatfull | 02:19 |
| Fujitsu | Ah yes, DDs can find other DDs. | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | nope, no DDs recorded there | 02:19 |
| rmjb | it's Trinidad and Tobago | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | rmjb: being small doesn't mean much | 02:19 |
| rmjb | yeah I know, we're not big on the open source either | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | I'm in a city of ~120K people, there are 5 or 6 DDs herer\ | 02:20 |
| rmjb | gov't get's wooed by MS | 02:20 |
| Fujitsu | Impressive, ajmitch. | 02:20 |
| rmjb | wow, that's a good percentage in that city | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | at least as many more elsewhere in NZ | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | another kiwi just got his debian.org account last week or so | 02:20 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: how many in Victoria? | 02:21 |
| Fujitsu | I'm not sure how many there are in Melbourne (with 3 million people), but there are quite a few. | 02:21 |
| rmjb | there's no way to get it signed without meeting someone face to face? | 02:21 |
| === rmjb is new to gpg also | ||
| Fujitsu | rmjb: Not properly, no. But having it signed isn't a strict requirement. | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: victoria, australia? | 02:22 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: no, here | 02:22 |
| === ajmitch has to pull up his password so he can use the full search | ||
| rmjb | who knows... if I get into this thing a lot I might make a trip to some OS conference... | 02:23 |
| rmjb | which is a tall order since I hardly travel | 02:23 |
| rmjb | anyone listens to tllts? | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | 58 DDs in Canada | 02:23 |
| Fujitsu | How many in total, ajmitch? | 02:24 |
| === ajmitch sees 1 other in victoria so far, a couple in vancouver | ||
| rmjb | cool they have the creator of slackware on tonite | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | Number of entries matched: 1481 | 02:25 |
| Burgwork | any edgy users have gobby installed? | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | so a lot more DDs than ubuntu developers :) | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | 12 in NZ | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | Burgwork: No, but I can install it if you wish. | 02:26 |
| Burgwork | no worries | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | Is there an issue with it? | 02:27 |
| Burgwork | no, I need something off a gobby server | 02:28 |
| Fujitsu | It's no problem for me to install it. | 02:29 |
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| ajmitch | so, "are we there yet?" | 02:33 |
| Burgwork | Fujitsu: got it? | 02:36 |
| === Nafallo installs as well | ||
| Fujitsu | Oh, you want me to do it? The `no worries' made it sound like you didn't need it >_> | 02:37 |
| Nafallo | will need it for UDS anyway ;-) | 02:37 |
| Burgwork | yep | 02:37 |
| Fujitsu | OK, what did you want me to grab? | 02:38 |
| Fujitsu | (sorry) | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | Fujitsu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | connect to the gobby server on that machine | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | page | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | and pull UWN 19 off and copy to the wiki | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue19 | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | here | 02:38 |
| Burgwork | overwrite anything on that page | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | Uploading... | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Done. | 02:41 |
| Burgwork | Fujitsu: you rock! thanks | 02:42 |
| Nafallo | hehe. nice bug Burgwork :-) | 02:42 |
| Burgwork | stuck on dapper here at work | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | No problem, sorry it took so long, but there was a bit of a misunderstanding :) | 02:42 |
| Burgwork | and gobby changed their protocol | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | Yup. | 02:42 |
| === ajmitch needs to start playing with 2.6.19 | ||
| StevenK | Burgwork: /EditingPolicies has a gobby .deb for dapper. | 02:45 |
| Burgwork | doesn't work and I need to get this out quickly | 02:45 |
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| StevenK | Ah. Perhaps that should be noted on the page? :-P | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee, StevenK | 02:47 |
| === StevenK waves | ||
| === Fujitsu runs away from Hobbsee, and greets StevenK. | ||
| Burgwork | hey Hobbsee | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch, StevenK | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | hi Burgwork | 02:48 |
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| rmjb | wow Burgwork you don't waste time, I got my UWN already | 02:52 |
| Burgwork | I rarely do | 02:52 |
| === ajmitch looks for the new UWN | ||
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| ajmitch | I'll have to work harder, wasn't mentioned in this one ;) | 02:56 |
| Burgwork | heh | 02:56 |
| rmjb | 2 or 3 issues ago was all Scot James Remnant! | 02:56 |
| Burgwork | best way to get into UWN: upload some new upstream | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: hard to do in freeze time | 02:57 |
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| Burgwork | yep | 02:57 |
| Burgwork | hence why the edgy section was so small | 02:57 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, I haven't been in since UVF :P | 02:58 |
| Burgwork | oh, upload something interesting | 02:58 |
| Burgwork | given I do the edgy stuff,that means something desktop-y | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | new f-spot for feisty? :) | 02:58 |
| Burgwork | instant love | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | how about some userspace xen stuff? | 02:59 |
| Burgwork | yep | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | or network auth? | 02:59 |
| Burgwork | please, I can't take it anymore | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | cool, I've got packages ready for the above :) | 02:59 |
| Burgwork | I wish launchpad would spit out a "weekly spec report" | 02:59 |
| Burgwork | new specs, changes in specs, etc. | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | the short time until feature freeze will quickly disappear | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | I wish launchpad would spit out anything useful, j/k | 03:00 |
| Burgwork | or for that matter, some better bug reporting stuff | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | especially with holidays in the middle | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: post the bugstats page | 03:00 |
| Burgwork | I do | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | you had it in #17 or so | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | ah, it's still there? | 03:00 |
| Burgwork | carthiks one? | 03:00 |
| Burgwork | I think it got left off the template | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | that's the only useful bugstats I know of | 03:01 |
| Fujitsu | LP is really useful for bug stats. | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | nope, it's in #19 | 03:01 |
| Burgwork | template fixed, at any rate | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | Open (16935) - 363 extra open bugs since UWN #18 | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | that's so great to see... | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | we're losing badly on the bug front | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: yeah like the MOTU Science bug situation :/ | 03:02 |
| Burgwork | yes, yes we are | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | I've almost got a LP parser for MOTU Science done | 03:02 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: I don't know that the ubuntustudio people know what they are in for | 03:02 |
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| Fujitsu | \o/ LaserJock | 03:02 |
| Fujitsu | I tried to write one... | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | But the LP HTML is terrible. | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: why do you need to screen-scrape? | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | my only problem is I'm getting "all bugs ever reported" rather then "all open bugs" | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: because I can't think of anything better | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Because LP's bug contact listing is terrible? | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | the wonders of proprietary solutions | 03:04 |
| Burgwork | is malone better than bugzilla? | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: define 'better' | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | I've never used bugzilla | 03:04 |
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| Burgwork | 2 years later | 03:04 |
| === Burgwork sighs | ||
| Burgwork | given the number of python hackers in the Ubuntu community... | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | malone is almost as slow | 03:05 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Want to read our bug list? | 03:05 |
| Fujitsu | https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | and that was because bugzilla was loading a 1MB .js on each page load | 03:05 |
| Fujitsu | Burgwork: exactly... It's annoying being held back like this :( | 03:05 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-directory/+packagebugs | 03:05 |
| Burgwork | we are far more sane | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: just you wait | 03:05 |
| Burgwork | yep | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: bah, sissies | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: wait until I upload my crack | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | nasty python code that I wrote ;) | 03:06 |
| Fujitsu | You'd think Malone would be sane enough to, you know... <caps>have an option to hide packages without bugs</caps>? | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | then the bug count will explode | 03:06 |
| Burgwork | I do like the package<-->team stuff | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: yeah, even that would be a big help | 03:06 |
| Burgwork | but there are just so many things that malone still sucks at, and has sucked at for 2 years | 03:07 |
| Fujitsu | But nooo, `Use +subscribedbugs' is all they can say. | 03:07 |
| Fujitsu | Of course, that doesn't actually list 90% of the bugs. | 03:07 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: I'm sure we can find other packages to add to the list for -directory | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | I think LP as a whole is cool because of having specs, teams, translation, bugs, code in one place | 03:07 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: yes, but LP as a whole also sucks in every way. | 03:07 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: we looked at all the packages with ldap and nss in their name | 03:07 |
| Burgwork | cool idea, bad implementation | 03:08 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: s/bugs, code/bugs/ | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: I was talking about bazaar.launchpad.net | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | it's pretty handy | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | Malone's interface is also soooo intuitive. | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: maybe add things like samba to the list | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | but yes, this little +subscribedbugs was pretty bad | 03:09 |
| Burgwork | you click the link and you get a popout! | 03:09 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: will do | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | I thought we were keeping track of bugs | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: as did I... | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | and I missed a ton | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | Then I noticed that TeX alone was meant to have that many bugs. | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | I still don't know many of them | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | I could have fixed some before the freeze | 03:10 |
| Fujitsu | Exactly. LP is a hazard, and causes things to not get fixed :( | 03:10 |
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| LaserJock | but like I said, Malone is the only bug tracker I know so I don't know how bad it is | 03:10 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: done | 03:10 |
| Fujitsu | It can't be that hard for the LP people to add a `show only packages that have bugs' button. | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: I just give up & subscribe to ubuntu-bugs | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: thanks | 03:10 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: That doesn't help for existing, untouched bugs. | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: mutt's filtering & procmail can be more useful for me | 03:10 |
| Burgwork | if a team is getting bugs, there is no way for team members to say "no bugs thanks" | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: what are you saying? | 03:11 |
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| ajmitch | Burgwork: only by setting a mailing list as the contact address | 03:11 |
| Burgwork | I am a member of the laptop testing team | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | and then having the team members unsubscribe from the mailing list | 03:11 |
| Burgwork | but I don't want to receive laptopo bugs | 03:11 |
| Burgwork | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-laptop/+packagebugs | 03:12 |
| Burgwork | because of this | 03:12 |
| ajmitch | if the team has no contact address, all team members get the mail | 03:12 |
| Burgwork | acpi-support and gnome-power-manager | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | we have a mailing list thank goodness for MOTU Science | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | that's how I figured out about this +subscribedbugs problem | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | I'm quite sure all these things would have been implemented ages ago had it been open... :( | 03:12 |
| Burgwork | yep | 03:12 |
| ajmitch | 35 bugs against acpi that probably shouldn't be there | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: I noticed it when I looked at various TeX packages and discovered they had on their own more than the total number on +subscribedbugs. | 03:13 |
| Burgwork | ok, I am off | 03:13 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, Burgwork. | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | bye Burgwork | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | I don't blame the LP guys though | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | they are doing a lot of work | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: sabdfl? | 03:13 |
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| LaserJock | I had some good conversations with bradb about Malone in Paris | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | hello cr3 | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: basically | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've talked with bradb a few times | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | the thing is that Malone is basically just bradb | 03:14 |
| Fujitsu | :O | 03:14 |
| Fujitsu | Really? | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | with some help from others | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | but basically | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | so he's working his butt off trying to help developers out | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | but he's only got so many hours in a day | 03:15 |
| Fujitsu | Of course, our chances in a battle against SABDFL are zero... | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | I wouldn't say zero | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: and BjornT | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | but close :-) | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: right | 03:15 |
| joejaxx | anyone know what gnome uses for it onscreen volume control? | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | although it seemed like bradb was doing most of the interface and feature stuff | 03:16 |
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| joejaxx | Fujitsu: :( | 03:17 |
| cr3 | ajmitch: ahoy | 03:17 |
| rmjb | hey, does http://podcasts.engaget.com freeze up anyone else's firefox2? | 03:18 |
| === ajmitch looks at what they have to do on the release checklist still | ||
| Fujitsu | My Firefox is still quite liquid, rmjb. | 03:20 |
| rmjb | hmm... | 03:20 |
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| rmjb | every time it freezes for me... must be that flash 9 | 03:22 |
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| zul | heh i guess everyone is taking the night off on -devel | 03:27 |
| bhale | yes | 03:27 |
| bhale | good idea , too\ | 03:27 |
| bhale | stupid UK keyboard gar | 03:27 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:27 |
| Fujitsu | Hi bddebian. | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 03:27 |
| bhale | hello bd | 03:27 |
| bddebian | Heya Fujitsu, ajmitch, bhale | 03:27 |
| bhale | im last? | 03:28 |
| bhale | sigh. | 03:28 |
| bddebian | You're too slow apparently ;-P | 03:28 |
| bhale | I'll show you slow | 03:28 |
| rmjb | Fujitsu: you don't have flash 9 beta installed right? | 03:30 |
| Fujitsu | rmjb: Correct. | 03:30 |
| Fujitsu | It is proprietary. | 03:30 |
| rmjb | cool, just want to make sure before I file my bug on malone | 03:31 |
| rmjb | :) | 03:31 |
| Fujitsu | I had it installed for a short time to test imbrandon's package, however. | 03:31 |
| Fujitsu | rmjb: If it's about Flash 9, it'll get rejected within seconds. | 03:31 |
| rmjb | yeah I know... I saw ajmitch try to find a nice way to reject a flash 9 bug | 03:31 |
| FunnyLookinHat | How do I find the specific package info using apt-cache ? | 03:33 |
| bhale | someday ajmitch will learn from me | 03:33 |
| bhale | and stop being nice | 03:33 |
| FunnyLookinHat | for say, a package called libclucene0 | 03:33 |
| bhale | apt-cache show libclucene0 | 03:33 |
| bhale | apt-cache showsrc libclucene0 | 03:33 |
| zul | ajmitch has a bit of a mean streak in him | 03:34 |
| rmjb | bhale: isn't nice in the code of conduct? I heard the patterned it after canada | 03:34 |
| rmjb | kidding | 03:34 |
| bhale | ha ha | 03:34 |
| zul | uh huh | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | bhale: I try | 03:36 |
| bhale | trying to dist upgrade this month-old laptop | 03:36 |
| bhale | not doing that hot | 03:36 |
| bhale | mirrror speeds | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I should dist-upgrade some of my edgy stuff sometime | 03:37 |
| pcniatic | when those feisty opens? | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | once I care | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | pcniatic: when it's there, not a moment before | 03:37 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: :D | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | ie we don't know | 03:38 |
| pcniatic | i mean, when does feisty opens? | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | see above | 03:38 |
| zul | my magic 8 ball says ask again later | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | pcniatic: 2 months after the last person asked | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | edgy isn't even out, let people have some rest :) | 03:38 |
| pcniatic | je, ok | 03:38 |
| zul | thats another kitten we are going to have to kill | 03:38 |
| bhale | it will be a few weeks possibly | 03:39 |
| lophyte | feisty opens at MV, I believe | 03:39 |
| Fujitsu | I bet it will open after LP goes down for 24 hours for mass data migration. They seem to like that. | 03:39 |
| bhale | before general uploading | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | lophyte: maybe | 03:39 |
| lophyte | or not long after I'd assume | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | lophyte: it's been open before the conference in the past | 03:39 |
| lophyte | ah | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | so that we could have fun throwing mono at the buildds & watching what sticks | 03:39 |
| Fujitsu | Haha. | 03:40 |
| bhale | amd64 was the wild west back then | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | lophyte: hey! :D | 03:41 |
| lophyte | joejaxx: heya :) | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | lophyte: its my fellow catalyst | 03:41 |
| lophyte | haha | 03:41 |
| lophyte | how's it going? | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | it is going well | 03:41 |
| joejaxx | just trying to get some packages ready for when fawn universe is ready | 03:42 |
| lophyte | cool | 03:42 |
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| LaserJock | hola bddebian | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | darn, department server still down | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | that must be one big mess | 04:00 |
| Fujitsu | Hey LaserJock. | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | hi Fujitsu | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | maybe I shouldn't use my school mail for Ubuntu stuff | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | Why not? | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | it's one thing if I can't get Department announcements | 04:03 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: you could always create a gmail account | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | but I *need* my Ubuntu mail ;-) | 04:03 |
| joejaxx | that never goes down | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: I have one, but it doesn't handle LP mail very well | 04:03 |
| Fujitsu | But Gmail is run by Google. | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | I have pretty good access generally to my school server | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | and unlimited space | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | but it's been down for 2 days now | 04:04 |
| joejaxx | Fujitsu: and the internet goes through backbones...who knows what they are doing | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | I could use laserjock.us I guess | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | just like I could use my domain for mail as well | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | but I'd not want to expose my blog to the world ;) | 04:09 |
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| Fujitsu | You said you didn't have one, ajmitch! | 04:09 |
| === Fujitsu googles. | ||
| LaserJock | I'm going to have to figure you hide that and put it on planet :-) | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | *where you | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: correct | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: nothing to add | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hehe, maybe I'll make one up for you | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | motuslacker.blogger.com ;-) | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | sounds like me | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | the motu who does nothing | 04:11 |
| === bddebian hasn't done shit in weeks :'-( | ||
| LaserJock | me neither on Universe | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: still far more than me | 04:13 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I doubt that | 04:13 |
| === Fujitsu has done horrifically little since being given upload rights, due to stupid exams. | ||
| Fujitsu | (and the various freezes) | 04:13 |
| === ajmitch only had a few uploads this last week | ||
| bddebian | Fujitsu: I understand, mine is work :-( | 04:13 |
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| rmjb | good night everyone | 04:58 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | REVU is available again for now | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF | Edgy frozen: All further uploads need to be for edgy-updates or when feisty opens | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by ajmitch at Wed Oct 25 23:07:28 2006 | ||
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| === Fujitsu grumbles. | ||
| Fujitsu | Who updated the website with a `6.10 is released' image? | 06:59 |
| FunnyLookinHat | No clue... | 07:02 |
| FunnyLookinHat | But the mirrors aren't ready yet : ) | 07:02 |
| Fujitsu | Exactly. | 07:02 |
| FunnyLookinHat | ;) | 07:02 |
| Fujitsu | People in #ubuntu are saying it has been released, though, | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 07:02 |
| FunnyLookinHat | doesn't really matter... the RC is practically the real deal.. with a few updates packages | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | it does matter when the release images aren't there yet | 07:04 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Well I mean, yes it does... but in the grand scheme of things, not a big deal. | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | It does matter. | 07:05 |
| Fujitsu | WE have enough people in #ubuntu asking when it will be released, without people saying WHERE ARE THE IMAGES OMG? | 07:05 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: I love cdimages.ubuntu.com, I wish I could live there. | 07:07 |
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| Fujitsu | I can't imagine the datacentre would be particularly pleasant to live in :P | 07:07 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: ever seen Lawnmower man? | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | No... | 07:08 |
| Nafallo | !seen Lawnmower | 07:09 |
| ubotu | I last saw Lawnmower (n=Wim@mowbot.xs4all.nl) 7h 27s ago, quiting: "Leaving." | 07:09 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: http://imdb.com/title/tt0104692/ | 07:09 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: terrible movie, but put that and Tron in a bottle, shake it, and you have the meaning behind the word "live" :) | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh/ | 07:10 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Oh man watching #ubuntu is quite entertaining : ) | 07:12 |
| FunnyLookinHat | This was just spammed in #ubuntu.... http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso say goodbye to that mirror. | 07:14 |
| Fujitsu | Oooh dear. | 07:14 |
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| ajmitch | FunnyLookinHat: no big problem | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | only an issue if images are recreated & pushed to mirrors due to critical bugs | 07:16 |
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| TheMuso | Heh. Everybody is getting over excited. | 07:30 |
| TheMuso | I'll wait till its pushed to mirrors, as I'm low on quota this month. | 07:30 |
| TheMuso | Or for the remainder of the month. | 07:30 |
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| minghua_ | stupid network... | 07:31 |
| === Nafallo will just rsync his rc to final and start seeding later :-) | ||
| Fujitsu | You know, they /could/ announce it, rather than leaving it for people to find and go hysterical about as it's pushed to mirrors... | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm already running 6.10 so ... ;-) | 07:31 |
| Fujitsu | I think most of us here are :) | 07:32 |
| lotusleaf | Fujitsu: embrace the chaos | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | just make sure you dist-upgrade before they release | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | as archive.u.c will be really slow for a while :-) | 07:33 |
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| Nafallo | LaserJock: good point. | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | I waited to long for dapper | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | and had to wait a while to dist-upgrade | 07:37 |
| Nafallo | oh | 07:38 |
| Nafallo | I'm up-to-date :-) | 07:38 |
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| Toadstool | 'evening | 07:40 |
| kkubasik | hey, anyone here ever packaed a project that used scons for its build tool? | 07:43 |
| StevenK | Once. | 07:44 |
| kkubasik | how was that? | 07:44 |
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| Toadstool | scons is evil :p | 07:44 |
| kkubasik | slash, what was it, im probably gonna pirate your rules if that's alright | 07:44 |
| StevenK | kkubasik: Does that answer your question? :-P | 07:44 |
| kkubasik | haha, agreed, just suck it up and use make | 07:44 |
| kkubasik | StevenK: plenty | 07:44 |
| kkubasik | ;) | 07:44 |
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| StevenK | That's it, wengophone. | 07:45 |
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| Nafallo | huga. users won't listen I guess. | 07:53 |
| Fujitsu | That icto* guy? | 07:54 |
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| Nafallo | everyone :-P | 07:55 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 07:55 |
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| Kagou | hi | 08:11 |
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| seaLne | hmm revu just removed me for excessive mail bounces, maybe if it didn't send mails with a score of over 20 they wouldn't be rejected at mta | 08:31 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if I should do a "I'm running 6.10 right now" in #ubuntu | 08:35 |
| lotusleaf | LaserJock: why not, some people are flirting with ubotu they're so desperate in there | 08:36 |
| lotusleaf | <ArrenLex> ubotu: r u hott? ;) | 08:37 |
| Lathiat | lol | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm off for the night. Happy Edgy Day people! | 08:39 |
| lotusleaf | LaserJock: happy edgy day! | 08:39 |
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| Fujitsu | Wooohooo, 6.10 has been dugg! Lovely preempting. | 08:58 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Where? | 08:58 |
| crimsun | we totally need those .pool links replaced with 4.10 downloads. That'll learn 'em. | 08:58 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Yeah. | 08:59 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: Front page, 2nd or so post. | 08:59 |
| Fujitsu | (even with .pool links!) | 08:59 |
| Fujitsu | Can we have a big red `Hands off if you're not a mirror' title on that page for Feisty, please? | 08:59 |
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| StevenK | (On Winders) | 09:02 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK: Not yet, AFAIK. | 09:03 |
| Fujitsu | They said they'll make it a suggest an update in a couple of weeks, I think. | 09:03 |
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| StevenK | Ah | 09:03 |
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| StevenK | FeistyFawn: You forgot EdgyEft in the middle. | 09:13 |
| Nafallo | and Dapper is still supported ;-) | 09:16 |
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| imbrandon | moins fellas | 09:18 |
| DBO | moins imbrandon | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | heya DBO | 09:19 |
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| sivang | morning motus | 09:32 |
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| dholbach | GOOD MORNING | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | hey dholbach | 09:50 |
| dholbach | heya Hobbsee | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | ugh i thought canonical sponsored the forums ? | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Why do you bring this up? | 09:53 |
| crimsun | he loves pudding. | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, becouse it seems they have google ad's now ( and i had to remove the google ad's from buntudot.org once it became "official" ) | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | Does it!? | 09:54 |
| Fujitsu | Good, good. Even more reason for me to not visit them. | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93741 is the link i just clicked, tell me i'm wrong | 09:55 |
| crimsun | I don't see one. | 09:55 |
| crimsun | oh wait | 09:55 |
| crimsun | yes, under Sponsored Links | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | yup | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | google ads | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | ewww twice on the same page | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | thats a no no afaik , like i said i had to remove them ( per jane siber ) from buntudot.org when it was merged into the fridge | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | is there someone i can poke about this? i would rather not see google ad's on offical sites ( or atleaste be told it was intentional and canonical is getting the money not some forum yahoo ) | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | hey guys, got a question, with package dependencies if for example you have a package that depends on another package....and the package you depend on changes.....well I guess I'm trying to say, once a package is built, it is more important to know what the built package depends on rather than the source right? | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | huh? i dont quite understand the question heheh | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | imbrandon, me neither :p | 10:01 |
| cbx33 | nevermind on that one | 10:01 |
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| imbrandon | :) | 10:01 |
| cbx33 | is there a way to get /var/lib/apt/lists for all archs | 10:01 |
| crimsun | if B depends on A, then yes, you do need to make sure B remains installable when A changes. | 10:01 |
| cbx33 | not just the current one you are on for packages? | 10:01 |
| cbx33 | crimsun, exactly | 10:01 |
| crimsun | otherwise you may run into the "unmet dep" issue | 10:02 |
| cbx33 | but you don't care so much abotu the source right? as the pacakge is already built | 10:02 |
| crimsun | you're referring to binaries, not source. You'd have to trigger a rebuild of B's _source_ | 10:02 |
| crimsun | (but not always) | 10:02 |
| cbx33 | right | 10:02 |
| sivang | oh wawo, seems like Linux World londong has been good fun | 10:03 |
| cbx33 | but both source and binary can have different dependencies | 10:03 |
| cbx33 | right? | 10:03 |
| StevenK | The only dependencies a source package has are Build-Depends{,-Indep}. | 10:03 |
| cbx33 | I'm curious how does it figure out what build deps are needed? | 10:04 |
| sivang | StevenK: and -Indep being platform independnet build depends ? | 10:04 |
| sivang | cbx33: who does? :) | 10:04 |
| StevenK | sivang: Correct. | 10:04 |
| sivang | cbx33: you mean, how does subtvars get the right build-deps? | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | yes | 10:05 |
| sivang | cbx33: objdump or something | 10:05 |
| StevenK | That's magic. | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 10:05 |
| StevenK | sivang: Bullcrap | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 10:05 |
| sivang | StevenK: heh | 10:05 |
| sivang | StevenK: it's not? | 10:05 |
| StevenK | No. | 10:05 |
| StevenK | dpkg-shlibdeps is used | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | shlibs | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | i see | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | yea what StevenK said | 10:05 |
| StevenK | Library packages provide a shlibs file. | 10:05 |
| cbx33 | ok.... | 10:05 |
| sivang | StevenK: ah right, that as well ;) | 10:06 |
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| sivang | cbx33: essentiall, when folks create lib packages, they 'publish' a file that dpkg-shlibdeps is using to determin which build-deps are neede, I think | 10:06 |
| sivang | *essentially | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | right ok next question... | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | if I'm on a 386 machine | 10:07 |
| StevenK | It's stuffed into the DEBIAN directory that ends up in /var/lib/dpkg/info. | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | I only get package lists for a 386 machine | 10:07 |
| cbx33 | what if I want to check stuff across all archs? | 10:07 |
| StevenK | cbx33: Use madison-lite? | 10:08 |
| StevenK | steven@liquified:~% madison-lite -s edgy libc6 libc6 | 2.4-1ubuntu12 | edgy | amd64, i386 | 10:08 |
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| cbx33 | ahhh ok | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | konsole ftw | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 10:08 |
| StevenK | There's supposed to be a line break! I want my line break! | 10:08 |
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| === StevenK kicks imbrandon in the teeth. | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 10:09 |
| sivang | StevenK: I have no DEBIAN in /var/lib/dpkg/info | 10:09 |
| StevenK | sivang: The DEBIAN directory is used while building the .deb, it gets sucked into control.tar.gz which is untarred directly into /var/lib/dpkg/info | 10:09 |
| sivang | StevenK: right, sorry I thought you meant that DEBIAN gets created there which is obviously non sensical | 10:10 |
| StevenK | (A .deb being an ar archive made up of debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz) | 10:10 |
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| sivang | StevenK: btw, quoting the man page, objdump does play a role there, it just competes with shlibs.default | 10:12 |
| cbx33 | StevenK, madison-lite complains about not being able to find dists | 10:12 |
| sivang | StevenK: you haven't. I know what a .deb is :) | 10:12 |
| StevenK | cbx33: Yes, you need to download them, in the tree format. | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:13 |
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| StevenK | dists/edgy/main/binary-{i386,amd64}/Packages.gz | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 10:13 |
| cbx33 | i get it now | 10:13 |
| StevenK | sivang: Which manual page? | 10:14 |
| sivang | StevenK: man dpkg-shlibdeps | 10:14 |
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| imbrandon | wow amd is promoting the sale of intel chips ( http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/promotions/overdrivecore/ ) | 10:50 |
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| xerxas | Hi all ! | 11:13 |
| kkubasik | anyone know of a package that really needs to get packaged? | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 11:24 |
| minghua | I was going to say that too :-) | 11:25 |
| minghua | note some of the software listed there may be already packaged though | 11:25 |
| kkubasik | its just odd, because about half of them can't be packaged for liscensing reasons | 11:25 |
| minghua | for example I see apache 2.2 | 11:25 |
| kkubasik | oooo, that might be a good one ;) | 11:25 |
| kkubasik | just to REVU right? | 11:26 |
| thom | leave apache2.2 alone | 11:27 |
| kkubasik | ? | 11:27 |
| thom | virtually all the apache maintainers work for canonical | 11:27 |
| thom | it's done in debian/unstable, it'll be synced for feisty | 11:27 |
| minghua | yeah, when I mention apache 2.2 I mean it's already packaged (at least in Debian) | 11:28 |
| thom | it'll be synced into main for feisty | 11:28 |
| thom | there are much better things to work on | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | kkubasik: well this is a page that random people add stuff to | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | it's hardly a comprehensive list of what is needed & not already packaged | 11:29 |
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| ajmitch | hey thom | 11:29 |
| kkubasik | alrighty | 11:29 |
| kkubasik | is there a more comprehensive list anywhere? or is it just every man for himself | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | no | 11:30 |
| xerxas | anyway, developpement of feisty havn't started, right ? | 11:31 |
| xerxas | can I start packaging stuff for feisty ? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | yes, you can | 11:31 |
| xerxas | is pbuilder for feisty and repos already here ? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | no | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | just use edgy pbuilder | 11:31 |
| xerxas | the work for feisty haven't started yet, right ? | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | correct | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | since edgy isn't even officially released | 11:32 |
| xerxas | yup | 11:32 |
| xerxas | :) | 11:32 |
| thom | ajmitch: dude. | 11:33 |
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| thom | right, a2.2 removed from candidates | 11:38 |
| minghua | good move | 11:40 |
| thom | (given the rules file is 230 lines of reasonably complex make, it's not a suitable package for a newbie anyway) | 11:41 |
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| luisbg | hello all | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | ello | 12:01 |
| luisbg | hello imbrandon =) | 12:02 |
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| pirast | congratulations everyone to the release of ubuntu 6.10 :-) | 12:53 |
| kkubasik | oo, my mirror is lagging | 12:56 |
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| kkubasik | I was hoping to finish syncing the iso's before the official release annoucement | 12:56 |
| bhale | hello kkubasik | 12:56 |
| kkubasik | so I could serve them readily! | 12:56 |
| kkubasik | hey bhale, how's it goin? | 12:56 |
| bhale | good, you? | 12:56 |
| bhale | didnt get new beagle in | 12:56 |
| bhale | might be able to patch the rm thingy | 12:57 |
| bhale | in -updates | 12:57 |
| kkubasik | yeah, I actaully uploaded a package of it to REVU | 12:57 |
| bhale | but the original release notes didnt make it out to be a "major bug" or anything | 12:57 |
| bhale | and then i was traveling | 12:57 |
| kkubasik | yeah, its actually the next release that is gonna be incredable | 12:57 |
| bhale | well, little chance of that | 12:57 |
| kkubasik | like a 50-60% drop in memory usage | 12:57 |
| kkubasik | next couple of days | 12:58 |
| kkubasik | but yeah | 12:58 |
| bhale | thunderbird? :) | 12:58 |
| bhale | or across the board | 12:58 |
| kkubasik | yu[ | 12:58 |
| kkubasik | across the board | 12:58 |
| bhale | hm | 12:58 |
| bhale | it might finally be suitable for on-by-default | 12:58 |
| kkubasik | like, crusing at about 30 megs right now | 12:58 |
| bhale | in that case | 12:58 |
| kkubasik | with a full blown 19 backends running | 12:58 |
| kkubasik | in debug mode | 12:58 |
| bhale | mine has been ~50mb with daemon and helper for a long tim | 12:58 |
| bhale | oh, running | 12:59 |
| kkubasik | (which was a major part of our memory usage | 12:59 |
| kkubasik | ) | 12:59 |
| bhale | hm | 12:59 |
| kkubasik | we always ran in debug so stacktraces would be more useful, but we dropped a few megs just leaving out that one command line switch | 12:59 |
| bhale | oh | 12:59 |
| bhale | most people with real problems have >30gb home directories | 01:00 |
| bhale | mine is big but it is all music | 01:00 |
| kkubasik | yeah, im a nice test | 01:01 |
| kkubasik | about 25 gigs of source files | 01:01 |
| kkubasik | its sends beagle running | 01:01 |
| bhale | nice | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | kkubasik: btw updates to existing apps generally don't go on REVU | 01:01 |
| kkubasik | ooo, ok | 01:02 |
| bhale | well he sent me an email, a patch, etc | 01:02 |
| bhale | and I didnt respond | 01:02 |
| kkubasik | I'm like 3 hours new to this | 01:02 |
| bhale | so, my fault | 01:02 |
| bhale | was busy | 01:02 |
| kkubasik | so just lemme know what im supposed to do | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | bhale: I mean for things like gaim & vim which got stuck on revu | 01:02 |
| bhale | oh | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | which MOTUs won't care for anyway | 01:02 |
| bhale | yes, beagle too | 01:02 |
| kkubasik | :-/ | 01:03 |
| kkubasik | sorry | 01:03 |
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| bhale | kkubasik: there isnt really sponsorship for main | 01:03 |
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| bhale | most people start off in universe and get promoted | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | well there is, in a sense | 01:03 |
| kkubasik | feel free to just archive them if need be | 01:03 |
| bhale | or have a dedicated sponsor | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | which is subscribing ubuntu-main-sponsors to bug reports | 01:03 |
| kkubasik | gotcha, its just odd for me, since im kinda a gnome dev | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | yeah, updates to stuff generally go as debdiffs on malone | 01:04 |
| kkubasik | so the apps I know my way around are mainline gnome | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | confusing, i know | 01:04 |
| kkubasik | alright, that's cool | 01:04 |
| kkubasik | well it makes sense from a bandwidth perspective | 01:04 |
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| kkubasik | but the new packages I uploaded (tangerine and labyrinth) | 01:05 |
| kkubasik | they are ok for REVU? | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | and from the perspective of a package already being in generally has bug contacts or people to look at it on malone | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | you know that tangerine is being packaged in debian? | 01:05 |
| bhale | well, tangerine has a seperate problem | 01:05 |
| bhale | i put a package in debian pkg-mono svn some time ago | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | generally that upstream need educated about binaries | 01:05 |
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| bhale | just that it violates policy | 01:05 |
| bhale | as it has dll's without source | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 01:05 |
| kkubasik | yeah | 01:05 |
| phanatic | good afternoon | 01:06 |
| bhale | it should be fixed now, i slapped snorp around | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | so technically it'd be illegal for us to even distribute tangerine source from REVU | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | "fixed" | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | hah | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | fixed in what version? | 01:06 |
| bhale | i dont have the checkout on this box | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | right | 01:06 |
| bhale | this is laptop-testing-team | 01:06 |
| bhale | he told me it was fixed | 01:06 |
| kkubasik | tangerine 0.3 ships no binaries | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | kkubasik: you're wrong, sorry | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/tangerine-0610260335/tangerine-0.3.0/deps/ | 01:07 |
| bhale | heh. | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | Nini.dll | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | log4net.dll | 01:07 |
| bhale | we have nini and log4net | 01:07 |
| bhale | so easy enough to rm them in rules | 01:07 |
| kkubasik | ooo right | 01:07 |
| bhale | and -r:nini | 01:07 |
| bhale | or so | 01:07 |
| kkubasik | I was thinking they were shipping dapp-sharp as a binary | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | though they have to be removed in the orig.tar.gz instead | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | otherwise you get jumped on | 01:08 |
| kkubasik | (banshee almost did that) | 01:08 |
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| bhale | banshee is shipping boo as a binary now | 01:08 |
| kkubasik | yeah | 01:08 |
| StevenK | Which means repacking the source tarball. | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | I'm getting bug reports in debian because a package I ship has .jar files in the source, which contain RFC docs under a 'non-free' license | 01:08 |
| kkubasik | oi, I never knew it was such a big deal | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | yes, it's a big deal | 01:08 |
| kkubasik | are any of you guys on gnome planet? | 01:09 |
| bhale | well the novell guys will jump up and down telling you how dumb it is | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | no | 01:09 |
| bhale | (aaron also checked xing into gnome cvs) | 01:09 |
| kkubasik | or feeling particularly like writeing in the gnome wiki? | 01:09 |
| kkubasik | just, there are a lot of guys like me that just are trying to get point a to point b | 01:09 |
| bhale | i could be on planet gnome, if they ever processed my account | 01:09 |
| kkubasik | and we don't get too involved in the middles | 01:09 |
| kkubasik | its all on ross | 01:09 |
| bhale | i am on step 6 or so | 01:10 |
| kkubasik | which sucks, because I he's getting his butt kicked | 01:10 |
| bhale | im on monologue | 01:10 |
| bhale | which is probably close to what you want anyway | 01:10 |
| bhale | closer* | 01:11 |
| kkubasik | I was just thinking, we don't hear much about that | 01:11 |
| bhale | but i talk to snorp, aaron, miguel every day | 01:12 |
| bhale | they are fully aware | 01:12 |
| kkubasik | a nice post might make us pay a little more attenetnion | 01:12 |
| kkubasik | haha | 01:12 |
| bhale | aaron continues to do it | 01:12 |
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| bhale | to make up for SuSE having 3 packages | 01:12 |
| bhale | he puts the deps in binary form | 01:12 |
| kkubasik | well, the young impressionables such as myself, you can sway us easily | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | the rest we have to kick around | 01:13 |
| bhale | over and over | 01:13 |
| kkubasik | ok, here's my dilemma, that has nothing to do with what we were just takign about, but ill ask anyways | 01:13 |
| bhale | lewing and joe mostly get that there is more than one distro | 01:13 |
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| kkubasik | I just upgraded my hosting plan, so I have 2tb a month | 01:14 |
| kkubasik | which scales upward 16gb/week | 01:14 |
| kkubasik | but, that growth is cumulative, so happy happy | 01:14 |
| kkubasik | anyways, I was gonna mirror one of the iso sites to help out with the rush the next few dats | 01:15 |
| bhale | you could seed the torrents | 01:15 |
| kkubasik | but I certainly can't afford to go over, is there that much traffic? | 01:15 |
| bhale | certainly is | 01:15 |
| bhale | but most people are likely to hit the main archive | 01:15 |
| bhale | i imagine | 01:16 |
| luisbg | what do you recon is better to upgrade to edgy... dist-upgrade or clean cd install? (i have my home in an other partition than root) | 01:16 |
| kkubasik | yeah, im sure that's pushing a good 400 p/s sustained | 01:16 |
| bhale | holy crap am I late | 01:16 |
| bhale | bye. | 01:16 |
| kkubasik | peace | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | bye | 01:16 |
| Nafallo | swedish mirror pushes 1.87Gbit :-) | 01:18 |
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| kkubasik | yeah, the main archive is getting slammed, im gettign barely 600-700 okay | 01:22 |
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| siretart | happy edgy day! | 01:32 |
| gnomefreak | happy start of feisty day? | 01:34 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | no, not yet | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 01:34 |
| gnomefreak | congrats on edgy seems to have gone fairly smooth :) | 01:34 |
| luisbg | what's new in gnome 2.16? looking forward to it | 01:34 |
| siretart | I don't think feisty will open before next week earliest | 01:34 |
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| ajmitch | maybe it'll start to open before MV, but we don't know | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | doko may have some toolchain stuff to upload | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | it won't be ready for general upload until after the toolchain settles at least | 01:35 |
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| siretart | like in edgy. right | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | yep | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | but not as rough :) | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | unless they plan to get glibc2.5 in | 01:36 |
| zul | *whine* but i want it now | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | oh, and linux 2.6.19 | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | which is probably sitting ready to upload | 01:37 |
| zul | actually -rc3 is probably sitting ready for upload | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | well yeah | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | let's turn selinux on by default with a narrow targetted policy & see what breaks :) | 01:38 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Um, everything? :-P | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: narrow policy, I said | 01:38 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: you know that etch is going to ship with selinux, right? | 01:38 |
| StevenK | I do now. | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | we didn't break the world with gcc's ssp | 01:39 |
| StevenK | Like I've been following Etch development. | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:39 |
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| Fujitsu | ajmitch: We broke a fair bit of the world with it. | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | yes, but not *everything* | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | maybe 98% of packages weren't affected | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | there'll be opposition, of course | 01:41 |
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| bhale | hi | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | hi | 02:01 |
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| jsgotangco | yo! | 02:11 |
| bhale | hi | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | hello jsgotangco | 02:16 |
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| StevenK | Hah | 03:44 |
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| sivang | hi | 04:41 |
| tuxmaniac | yo yo yo | 04:45 |
| === tuxmaniac cheers the Ubuntu team for a wonderful effort | ||
| FunnyLookinHat | LOL | 04:47 |
| FunnyLookinHat | they /kicked everyone out of +1 | 04:47 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:47 |
| StevenK | Which what message? | 04:47 |
| FunnyLookinHat | "edgy is out!!" | 04:47 |
| FunnyLookinHat | ; ) | 04:47 |
| StevenK | Heh, nice. | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | FunnyLookinHat: redirects. that's what they've been doing since dapper was released, at least | 04:48 |
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| elkbuntu | FunnyLookinHat, well of course we did | 04:48 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Hobbsee, I found it entertaining to see 200 kicks in a row in any case : ) | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | FunnyLookinHat: /cs clear, i believve | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | -v | 04:48 |
| FunnyLookinHat | : ) | 04:48 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, nobody around could do that until we found rob :) | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: heh | 04:49 |
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| zul | so is there goign to be an #ubuntu+2 | 04:51 |
| lupine_85 | nah, it'll be #ubuntu+1 | 04:52 |
| lupine_85 | still not open though :'( | 04:52 |
| sladen | zul: edgy is out... | 04:52 |
| zul | sladen: really? i didnt know ;) | 04:53 |
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| lupine_85 | edgy++ :) | 04:53 |
| Toadstool | 'morning everybody | 04:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello Toadstool | 04:56 |
| Toadstool | hey Gloubiboulga | 04:56 |
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| luisbg | can somebody re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? | 04:57 |
| luisbg | just registered and introduced my gpg key and ssh key | 04:58 |
| siretart | luisbg: just a sek | 04:58 |
| lupine_85 | If I've got an update to a package in universe, do I upload it via. revu ? | 05:00 |
| lupine_85 | it got through the review process, but is dying on ubuntu's build machines :( | 05:00 |
| luisbg | thanks siretart =) | 05:01 |
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| gnomefreak | when are we unfreezing the repos? | 05:30 |
| Nafallo | gnomefreak: in some months :-) | 05:34 |
| Nafallo | LOL | 05:34 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 05:35 |
| Nafallo | a week or so I would guess :-) | 05:35 |
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| gnomefreak | ok cool | 05:36 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 05:36 |
| zul | gnomefreak: everytime someone asks that question god kills a kittne | 05:37 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 05:37 |
| lophyte | ajmitch? | 05:41 |
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| Nafallo | zul: ...and every 40 seconds someone kills him/herself. | 05:47 |
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| imbrandon_ | [10:00] <lupine_85> If I've got an update to a package in universe, do I upload it via. revu ? << normaly no, you attach a debdiff to a big ( or the bug it fixes ) and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors , REVU is for NEW packages to the archive mostly | 05:50 |
| imbrandon_ | s/big/bug | 05:50 |
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| lupine_85 | imbrandon: ok, thanks :) | 05:59 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 06:42 |
| zul | congrats everyone btw | 06:47 |
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| LaserJock | darn, day 3 of the department server being down | 07:16 |
| zul | day 3?!?! | 07:16 |
| zul | holy crap.. | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I really don't know what's going on | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | they said yesterday they were going to move mail and web to a whole different server | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | they got the web, but no email | 07:18 |
| zul | is this your it people and they dont have a backup? | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | this is our dept sysadmin and the Uni IT people | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | and they have backups | 07:19 |
| zul | ah.. | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | but I think they were trying to "fix" the server | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | but I think they might be scrambling to replace it entirely | 07:19 |
| zul | heh... | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | we did a complete reinstallation of the server in a few hours | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I don't understand what happened | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | the sysadmin said it was just a bad drive | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if something deeper happened | 07:21 |
| zul | sounds like more than a bad drive | 07:21 |
| luisbg | sorry about that LaserJock :S | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | well, this email thing wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't forwarding all my Ubuntu emails there too | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | that server has pretty much all my email | 07:27 |
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| luisbg | LaserJock, that sucks! | 07:29 |
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| zul | LaserJock: im surprised there isnt rioting in the streets | 07:39 |
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| LaserJock | well, they are mostly Windows users so they must be used to it ;-) | 07:40 |
| zul | lol | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to figure how to set up mail on laserjock.us so I can move my @ubuntu.com there | 07:43 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 08:00 |
| zul | hey ajmitch | 08:01 |
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| LaserJock | why hello there highvoltage, fancy seeing you here ;-) | 08:22 |
| highvoltage | mhuhahahahah | 08:22 |
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| zul | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/613 <-- those dancers dont look african | 08:29 |
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| jsgotangco | haha | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | zul: close enough ;-) | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | they look maori | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: yeah, what I said :) | 08:33 |
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| trappist | I'm trying to build a package that requires me to run ./configure twice with the same options (to build a bundled package). what's the best way to do that? | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | trappist: run ./configure twice? | 08:35 |
| trappist | LaserJock: is that a suggestion? | 08:36 |
| crimsun | no, that's what you'd do in debian/rules | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | or wait, you need to run ./configure and then make, and then ./configure again and then make again? | 08:36 |
| trappist | yeah I'm in debian/rules, where I don't usually manually run ./configure at all | 08:36 |
| trappist | LaserJock: just ./configure twice with the same options | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | then yeah, debian/rules is fine | 08:37 |
| crimsun | I'm pleased that my folks were able to painlessly dist-upgrade from hoary to edgy | 08:37 |
| trappist | LaserJock: yes, but what do I say in debian/rules to make that happen | 08:37 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: via breezy & dapper, or a straight dist-upgrade? | 08:38 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: incrementally | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | trappist: ./configure --<blah> | 08:38 |
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| trappist | LaserJock: I don't normally say ./configure at all in debian/rules. should I just forget all the stuff like DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS and say exactly what I'd do on the command line? | 08:39 |
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| chillywilly | congrats on the release :) | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | trappist: I'm guessing that you're using cdbs | 08:40 |
| trappist | so far, yes, but I'm not committed | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | I"m not really sure about how it's done in CDBS although I'm pretty sure it can be done :-) | 08:41 |
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| luisbg | once I have the .dsc ... how do I try to install it? (to check if it is working) | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: multi-pass builds in cdbs are not pretty | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | luisbg: you need to build the source package (with pbuilder or similar) | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I don't think it's multipass of the build rule | 08:49 |
| trappist | no, just of configure | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | that's... odd | 08:51 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, ok | 08:51 |
| trappist | ajmitch: it bundles pangoxsl in the source tarball and wants a separate ./configure for that. or you could tell it to use an installed pangoxsl, but we don't package that and I can't think of a reason to outside this package (xmlroff) | 08:52 |
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| ajmitch | trappist: ah I see | 08:58 |
| luisbg | how do I download the .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files? because apt-get source only gets one tar.gz and packages.ubuntu.com the same | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | so it's a separate configure, not running the same one | 08:59 |
| luisbg | sorry for the lame questions... I'm new :P | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | luisbg: if it's a native package, it won't have an orig.tar.gz & diff.gz | 08:59 |
| trappist | ajmitch: right | 08:59 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, I believe it comes from debian | 08:59 |
| sladen | luisbg: what is the package? | 08:59 |
| luisbg | subterfugue | 08:59 |
| luisbg | ooh, it looks like there are no diff and orig | 09:00 |
| sladen | correct, that is what ajmitch said 6 lines above. If there it a native package, there is *just* the tarball and dsc | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: sorry, I didn't realize it was a native package | 09:01 |
| luisbg | no problem | 09:01 |
| luisbg | after making the corrections... I run | 09:01 |
| luisbg | dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot | 09:01 |
| luisbg | then -> sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc | 09:02 |
| luisbg | next? | 09:02 |
| === lupine_85 thinks he has a fix :) | ||
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| lupine_85 | ls | 09:04 |
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| lupine_85 | ok... like this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rutilt/+bug/68454 ? | 09:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68454 in rutilt "rutilt_0.12-0ubuntu1 fails to build on Ubuntu's build servers..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 09:17 |
| lupine_85 | !info rutilt | 09:19 |
| ubotu | Package rutilt does not exist in any distro I know | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | I HAVE MAIL!! | 09:23 |
| zul | you bastard | 09:23 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, congrats! | 09:24 |
| luisbg | I'm getting this with the dpkg-build -> (WARNING: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file) ---- any clues? | 09:25 |
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| lupine_85 | luisbg: does it to me all the time so I manuallty debsign -k(key fingerprint) | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | hehe, the first thing I'm doing is tarring up all my mail and transferring it to this machine :-) | 09:26 |
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| rgl | hello | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | hi rgl | 09:35 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, it looks to me like Marks doesn't have to share a room | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | I guess those are the perks of being sabdfl | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 09:43 |
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| rgl | you guys known if someone has packaged apache 2.2? | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | it's in debian, will be in feisty | 09:52 |
| zul | LaserJock: and he is allergic to shellfish | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | I'm glad to see Claire had time to update my info | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | I was worried I messed her up with changing everything around | 09:56 |
| zul | LaserJock: are you flying into sjo? | 09:57 |
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| LaserJock | heh, no. I'm driving my minivan :-) | 09:57 |
| zul | ah | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | you guys will get to seem my geekyness | 09:57 |
| rgl_ | ajmitch, I see thx :D | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | ogra drove a porsche to Paris, I get to drive a minivan to Mountain View ;-) | 09:58 |
| zul | heh | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | although I will keep my pants on :-) | 09:59 |
| zul | good to know | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | yes, my legs don't look nearly as good as oliver's ;p | 10:00 |
| zul | i still dont want to see you with your pants off :) | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | BAD IMAGES | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | make it stop | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | I should have taken a picture | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | I'm glad you didn;t | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | but highvoltage and I were in too much shock at the time | 10:03 |
| zul | LaserJock: we would be too so keep them off | 10:03 |
| zul | er..on | 10:03 |
| highvoltage | we were just laughing, thought it was funny | 10:03 |
| highvoltage | but it seems like it is normal in Europe :) | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | what's a Linux conference without a streaker? | 10:04 |
| sivang | re all | 10:04 |
| sivang | planning the conference eh? | 10:04 |
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| lupine_85 | mmmm streaker | 10:14 |
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| LaserJock | heh | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | I just talked to my boss | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | he described the server problem as a "complete serve meltdown" | 11:15 |
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| luisbg | LaserJock, ouch | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:41 |
| luisbg | "meltdown"? | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | I think they had to scrape the machine and restore for a backup | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | *scrap | 11:41 |
| luisbg | how big of a machine? | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not sure | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | it's served a department of >100 users | 11:42 |
| luisbg | well... if it's built and programmed for it, it should handle it | 11:43 |
| luisbg | what OS did it run? | 11:43 |
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| jabra | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes doesn't have the release notes yet | 11:44 |
| jabra | just fyi | 11:44 |
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| LaserJock | luisbg: I think it was running Suse | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | nice drive-by, in entirely the wrong channel | 11:44 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: it was a decent server I think | 11:44 |
| luisbg | damn germans (just kidding, suse is cool) | 11:44 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, yeah... that's the digital version of a shoot and run | 11:45 |
| luisbg | can somebody suggest me a package that is pretty up to date and depends on python? | 11:47 |
| luisbg | some very used big software that is done in python (azureus doesn't count) | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | you want large? zope :) | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | what 'big' software do you want? | 11:48 |
| luisbg | ajmitch, zope will work | 11:49 |
| luisbg | just want to check how the version of python is handled in the control file | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | ah right | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | zope is special | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | just lookup the debian python policy | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy | 11:50 |
| luisbg | that was exactly what I was looking for =) | 11:50 |
| luisbg | thanks ajmitch | 11:50 |
| luisbg | I must say... I have participated in a few free software community | 11:50 |
| luisbg | but this one beats them all in helpfullness in the irc channel | 11:51 |
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| luisbg | why is it that when I dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot I get... "(WARNING: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file)"? | 12:05 |
| fbond | luisbg, because the packages are created by someone else, and you don't have that person's PGP private key | 12:05 |
| fbond | that is normal; there is no reason for you to have his key | 12:05 |
| luisbg | so the package can be uploaded even though that warning appears? | 12:06 |
| fbond | is it your package? | 12:06 |
| luisbg | no... just fixing a bug | 12:06 |
| fbond | If you are fixing a bug, you needn't upload the package to REVU, I think? Perhaps a MOTU can assist. I thought you just upload a debdiff to launchpad ... | 12:07 |
| ajmitch | yes, uploading a debdiff by attaching it to a bug is preferred | 12:08 |
| luisbg | ok ok, haven't got there yet, was just checking the package works | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | but the question remains | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | did you add a new changelog entry? | 12:08 |
| luisbg | so... now that you mention it... how do I do the debdiff... as normal diffs? | 12:08 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, did I or should I? | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | debdiff package1.dsc package2.dsc | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | you should | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: did you, because you should :-) | 12:09 |
| luisbg | I did | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | s/should/must/ | 12:09 |
| fbond | LaserJock, does dpkg-buildpackage sign the package with the key of the most recent changelog, or with the maintainer's key? | 12:09 |
| luisbg | LOL | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | fbond: most recent changelog entry | 12:09 |
| fbond | ah, then the key error should not be happening if that is correctg | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | the person that makes the changes should be the one signing it | 12:10 |
| luisbg | should I move up one number in the version at the changelog since I'm adding a new entry? | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | luisbg: yes | 12:10 |
| luisbg | LaserJock, ok | 12:10 |
| superm1 | yes. make sure that its an ubuntu version bump though. if this package didn't have any ubuntu changes before, append an ubuntu1 | 12:10 |
| Amaranth | imbrandon: So art.ubuntu.com is just gallery 2? | 12:10 |
| fbond | luisbg: to avoid the key error, you should have a valid GPG key associated with the email you are putting in the changelog line | 12:10 |
| imbrandon_ | Amaranth: plus a few hacks | 12:11 |
| luisbg | fbond, I do | 12:11 |
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| Amaranth | imbrandon_: I don't think it'll handle the load | 12:11 |
| luisbg | fbond, I even have that gpg key in my launchpad account already | 12:11 |
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