=== rmjb [n=richard@cuscon20064.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] wow ajmitch, you probably don't sleep [12:14] he is on the other side of the world from the rest of us [12:14] rmjb: huh? [12:14] every time I'm on you're on... === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-093-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] well yes, it's called not disconnecting the irc client [12:15] besides ajmitch is a weirdo [12:15] I should try that... [12:15] I should try that too... [12:15] zul: yes, so? [12:15] just saying [12:16] bah, he's not weird [12:16] he just like the rest of us :-) [12:16] you are saying that im weird? [12:17] yes [12:17] hehe [12:17] LaserJock: oh ok... [12:17] what a discussion :-) [12:17] feels like home [12:18] zul: come on dude, anybody that *volunteers* to maintain Xen and kernels stuff has got to be a few card short of a full deck ;-) [12:18] LaserJock: heh thats what my wife says [12:18] LaserJock: 52? [12:18] zul: how is the wife, btw? [12:18] 52.55555555555 [12:19] LaserJock: shes good, baby is good she had morning sickness this morning [12:19] find out the sex on monday hopefully [12:19] zul: when is the ETA? [12:19] and shes whiney :) [12:19] Marchish [12:19] cool [12:19] yeah havent started to freak out yet [12:20] that reminds brb...need to reboot === LaserJock guesses Xen will need to be in good shape for Feisty before March :-) [12:20] due a bit before release time.. [12:20] LaserJock: of course it will be [12:20] heh yeah.. [12:20] brb === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] welcome back, zul [12:26] thanks.. [12:26] damn kernel [12:27] LaserJock: yeah so everything is cool [12:27] zul: shhh, that's your bread and butter ;-) [12:28] am I a MOTU Hopeful or a MOTU Wannabe? [12:28] rmjb: either [12:28] there's not exactly any set title :) [12:28] there's not process with stages then... [12:29] s/not/no/ [12:29] ok [12:30] the process is that you become a member, then a motu, then if you have far too much spare time, a core dev === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] zul: ok, realistically how hard is it to set up Xen for somebody that doesn't have a clue? [12:30] LaserJock: a few minutes [12:30] I wouldn't mind having a Debian install or something [12:30] I'm kinda tired of chroots [12:30] debian is easy to setup [12:31] since you can use xen-tools to set it up with debootstrap [12:31] xen uses a vmdk like vmware? or a chroot like filesystem? === ajmitch usually sets it up with disk images [12:32] or LVM [12:32] yep couple of minutes [12:33] hardest part is setting up the kernel in grub [12:33] which is copy & paste [12:33] ok, well this might show my complete ignorance here [12:34] how does the networking work? [12:34] it uses a bridge network [12:34] and can the different installs (domains?) share files? [12:34] only via a network filesystem like nfs at the moment, afaik [12:34] share files as in how? [12:35] I don't think the host fs stuff is there yet [12:35] cow? [12:35] or like that.. :) === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon17903.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] so it's really like a virtual machine [12:36] i.e. I could ssh to the host [12:36] it really is virtualisation, yes :) [12:37] no chroot-like stuff [12:37] you have to remember I'm a chemist [12:37] :-) [12:37] as if that's an excuse.. [12:37] an experimental chemist [12:37] you're a MOTU [12:37] I suppose [12:38] we expect great things of you [12:38] that doesn't mean I know everything though ;p [12:38] none of us do === Fujitsu isn't so sure about ajmitch, though. [12:38] if we did, we'd be getting paid a lot more & not be here ;) [12:39] you really wouldn't be here? [12:39] I'd be in Oslo, getting a prize ;-) [12:40] and then I'd settle down in some place in the middle of nowhere Montana with a cluster and a T1 === poningru [n=poningru@wsip-70-168-186-68.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] is there an NMU ( I guess that's Non-Maintainer Update ) policy for MOTUs? [12:43] no === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] no [12:43] there isn't any such thing as a NMU in Ubuntu [12:44] since we don't have the same maintainer lock that debian does [12:44] cool [12:44] ajmitch: you got ops in #edubuntu? [12:44] however some people are picky if you touch their packages sometimes [12:44] no [12:44] someone needs to === Fujitsu does a Xen upload, and watches zul scream. [12:44] Fujitsu: you break it, you get the bugs [12:44] hes working his way around channels [12:45] I noticed === ajmitch only has ops in a couple of channels [12:45] The guy who was in -offtopic a while ago? [12:45] probably [12:45] Ah yes, it is. [12:45] Fujitsu: cyro... hes a troll and has been banned from most channels [12:45] Yeah, I noticed. [12:46] it's okay to touch a package that's utnubu maintained right? I was told that's just a place holder for debian packages [12:46] Wow, he made up a custom insult for me! [12:47] rmjb: yes [12:49] Hahahaha. [12:49] He's got three onto him. === rmjb_ is now known as rmjb === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o ajmitch] by ChanServ [12:53] grab him here too === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+b *!*=Cyorxamp@*.112.21.19.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] by ajmitch === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ [12:54] god what a cunt === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o ajmitch] by ajmitch [12:54] I have to head out now [12:54] Bye ajmitch. [12:54] laters ajmitch === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [i=anibal@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@wsip-70-168-186-68.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] he is on -bugs now [01:10] i see [01:11] cant do nothing [01:11] waiting for staff to contact me about it [01:11] He's most pleasant... [01:11] Damnit. [01:11] Only three with ops in -bugs. [01:11] (dholbach, sfllaw, Seveas) [01:11] seveas is not around [01:12] We need to get staff onto this, we can't do a thing :( [01:12] dholbach im guessing is sleeping about now [01:12] i pinged one [01:12] waiting for reply :( [01:12] dholbach won't be up for another 5 or 6 hours... sfllaw similar, and Seveas isn't here... [01:12] http://www.cyorxamp.info/ some call him up and tell him he is gay [01:12] We've got a big timezone gap :( [01:13] he would have my # after that === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ADF18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] can i and still keep my membership lol [01:15] sfflaw should be up and around [01:15] I would defend you if you came up with something better than "yer gay" [01:15] bhale: oh im sure i can [01:15] great [01:16] that's probably not his site... unless he's baiting people to contact him === gnomefreak wonders wth the good of /stats p if they dont respond [01:16] right [01:16] this network is crap [01:17] rewriting the RFC as they see fit [01:17] keeping you from talking to staff, etc [01:17] bhale: Can we /please/ try to not start flamewars like this? They always turn into nasty nasty things.. .(although I agree with you on this) [01:17] Fujitsu: i have been flaming freenode for years [01:17] Fujitsu: i doubt Ill stop anytime soon [01:17] meh [01:18] some of this is our own fault [01:18] the access lists are horrible [01:18] yes [01:18] particuarly this channel [01:18] they are not clearly updated [01:18] Burgwork: there was a poll on the ops mailing list about this [01:19] just saw that [01:19] Wow, a whole 3 people with rights here. [01:19] er [01:19] a whole... [01:19] 128 people [01:19] with rights [01:19] op yourself, have fun [01:19] same in -bugs [01:19] GO NUTS [01:19] Chanserv's access list has 3 people. [01:19] i get fussy when a kid with a script joins and his client ops him automatically === poningru [n=poningru@wsip-70-168-186-68.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] I like FireRabbit's tactic [01:20] So, can somebody just op themselves here? [01:20] yes. [01:21] And in -bugs? [01:21] shrug [01:22] No, unfortunately... [01:22] BTW there's no showstoppers for Edgy's release tomorrow? [01:23] we have a staffer in -meeting but hes not doing anything just watching :( [01:23] rmjb: Not at the moment. [01:23] cool, looking forward to it... will be busy in the forums [01:23] Wouldn't it be nice if we could easily get in contact with the channel of staff? [01:24] I said that [01:24] and was called a troll :) [01:24] Yeah. === psusi [n=phreak@user-0c6s0gq.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grimace is now known as grim^zzz [01:24] You mean by me? [01:24] yes [01:24] its all true [01:24] No, I just advised you against starting the flamewar again... It is true, yes. [01:25] Similar, but not the same, as calling you a troll :) [01:29] I think we need to contact the newly formed IRC Council(tm) about getting some reasonable numbers of ops in the channels... Two in -meeting isn't exactly adequate, especially now Seveas isn't around as much. [01:29] Fujitsu: We're working on it [01:31] who is Hawkwind / IRC Council === TheMuso reviews the ops list for #ubuntu-accessibility, but suspects that it won't come under the same attack. But wh knows really. [01:31] TheMuso: you can list all channels [01:31] -meeting isnt obvious, either [01:31] bhale: No. But I'm an op in #Kubuntu so I know a bit of what's going on with with IRC council [01:32] is that Ubuntu IRC Council? [01:32] bhale: ? [01:32] TheMuso: ? [01:32] bhale: It's the IRC Council for all *Ubuntu related channels [01:32] TheMuso: security by obscurity is bupkis [01:32] oh [01:32] the people who will beat me up when i say naughty things [01:34] bhale: I know one can list all channels, but I am simply reviewing the list for #ubuntu-accessibility to ponder whether I should grant ops to more people. But at the same time, suspect that that channel won't come under attack. [01:34] But who knows. [01:34] as I said, if your garden variety troll can find -meeting and -bugs [01:34] he can find anything [01:35] to become a motu do I need to get my gpg signed by a member of the community in person like in debian? [01:35] TheMuso: all ubuntu channels will get hit [01:35] luisbg: yes. [01:36] bhale, in a near future I would need to find a motu close to where I live then [01:36] where is that [01:36] madrid, spain [01:36] hm [01:36] Burgwork: Can you be sure of that? [01:36] TheMuso: yes [01:36] jordim is in Vilanova [01:36] 100% [01:36] thats rather far i think [01:37] Righto. [01:37] bhale, a little yes [01:37] luisbg: Generally there'll be a Debian Developer in a fairly close vicinity to everywhere. [01:37] there are lots of debian users in spain [01:37] I'll keep a look out then. [01:37] oh [01:37] Beowulf [01:37] Fujitsu, can the key be signed by a debian developer too? [01:37] [oftc] -|- ircname : Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [01:37] look him up === poningru [n=poningru@wsip-70-168-186-68.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] anybody knows if emails can be gpg signed in gmail? [01:38] no [01:39] I was a motu before my key was signed by an Ubuntu/Debian person :-) [01:39] LaserJock, hey! cool to know [01:39] although I would certainly think it is better to have a Ubuntu person do it [01:39] but anyway... there is enough time until that happens to get to know someone close [01:40] I don't know that there is a exact rule on who has to sign your key [01:40] biglumber.com [01:40] I find gpg keys kind of weird that way. [01:41] it's the weird point of the system [01:41] how to get a good system to trust the keyrings [01:41] LaserJock, may I query you? [01:41] sure === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] luisbg: i really think jsogo@debian.org is in Madrid [01:42] Beowulf on irc [01:43] he is in spain [01:43] writing it down for a future reference [01:43] ok [01:43] he could at least tell you other people in the area i guess [01:43] ok, thanks [01:43] getting a DD to sign your key is nice [01:44] I got Manoj [01:44] I had to wait until Paris for that [01:44] who is gpg KING [01:44] his signature is like gold [01:44] yeah, I got mako, dholbach, and ogra in Paris === Nafallo got Mithrandir and Simira :-) [01:44] ihave those [01:44] its like trading cards [01:44] gotta get em all [01:45] I was thinking that. [01:45] i need a LaserJock [01:45] haha === Nafallo needs to catch more ;-) === Fujitsu needs... something :( [01:46] Fujitsu: sex? ;-) [01:46] for some reason... once you create yourself a gpg key... you crave getting it signed a lot of times [01:46] Seems our pal Cyorxamphas moved elsewhere. [01:46] well, Nevada isn't exactly the easiest place to find Ubuntu devs to sign your key :/ [01:47] Ha. Ha. [01:47] LaserJock, no ubuntu devs in the middle of the desert === Fujitsu really needs to locate someone for signing :( [01:47] night all! [01:47] Bye, luisbg. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] hi Hobbsee [02:06] Hi Hobbsee. [02:06] hi ajmitch [02:06] hey Fujitsu [02:07] how interesting, I was just reading the comments on Mark's latest blog post [02:07] yeah.. [02:07] many people don't like the brown [02:08] is that they are used to blue or what? [02:08] I don't get it [02:08] brown just isn't appealing to many people [02:08] I think it's a whole lot better then the blue === naer_dinsul [n=deaconw@206.21.94.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] I guess that's just me though === ajmitch has blue on his desktop [02:09] LaserJock: I agree, I much prefer it to blue. [02:09] blue is pretty generic to me [02:09] I like generic [02:09] to bright as well a lot of the time [02:09] I don't like a UI that's in my face [02:10] the brown is relaxing to me [02:10] not generic as in boring [02:10] It's relaxing, easy on the eyes, generally pleasant. [02:10] generic as in expected [02:10] I think I'll give up on #ubuntu & #ubuntu+1 for awhile [02:10] hehe [02:11] So, just out of curiosity, is Firefox 2.0 going to be in Edgy? [02:11] naer_dinsul: It is. [02:12] ajmitch: We need all hands on deck! [02:12] Fujitsu: Ah... Beautiful. Okay. Thank you. [02:12] Fujitsu: I'll be in my bunker coding for feisty [02:12] Heheh. [02:12] Do we know when Feisty will open? === ajmitch needs to get some stuff whipped up in the next week to bring to MV [02:12] no, and don't you dare ask in -devel [02:13] let people rest for a few days [02:13] Never! [02:13] bleeding hell [02:13] edgy is not even out yet [02:13] I think fiesty will open up as soon as edgy is released [02:13] Pfft, it's frozen, close enough :P [02:13] LaserJock: It was about a week last time. [02:13] but the toolchain will take a week or 2 to iron out [02:14] I'm probably not going to upload anything until after Mountain View [02:14] is feisty out yet? is it usable? [02:14] Well, for what it's worth, I really appreciate the work you guys do on Ubuntu. [02:14] haha === ajmitch has packages already built & waiting for feisty to open [02:16] I even got bug reports requesting packages be done before feisty opens [02:17] I just saw that signing the gpg key thing... what will I do? I'm in Trinidad in the caribbean! === amep [n=amp@66-234-34-40.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] rmjb: There's probably a Debian Developer there somewhere :) === ajmitch looks [02:19] I doubt, we're small, less than 1.5 mill people... but if you know of any I'd be greatfull [02:19] Ah yes, DDs can find other DDs. [02:19] nope, no DDs recorded there [02:19] it's Trinidad and Tobago [02:19] rmjb: being small doesn't mean much [02:19] yeah I know, we're not big on the open source either [02:20] I'm in a city of ~120K people, there are 5 or 6 DDs herer\ [02:20] gov't get's wooed by MS [02:20] Impressive, ajmitch. [02:20] wow, that's a good percentage in that city [02:20] at least as many more elsewhere in NZ [02:20] another kiwi just got his debian.org account last week or so [02:21] ajmitch: how many in Victoria? [02:21] I'm not sure how many there are in Melbourne (with 3 million people), but there are quite a few. [02:21] there's no way to get it signed without meeting someone face to face? === rmjb is new to gpg also [02:22] rmjb: Not properly, no. But having it signed isn't a strict requirement. [02:22] Burgwork: victoria, australia? [02:22] ajmitch: no, here === ajmitch has to pull up his password so he can use the full search [02:23] who knows... if I get into this thing a lot I might make a trip to some OS conference... [02:23] which is a tall order since I hardly travel [02:23] anyone listens to tllts? [02:23] 58 DDs in Canada [02:24] How many in total, ajmitch? === ajmitch sees 1 other in victoria so far, a couple in vancouver [02:25] cool they have the creator of slackware on tonite [02:25] Number of entries matched: 1481 [02:25] any edgy users have gobby installed? [02:26] so a lot more DDs than ubuntu developers :) [02:26] 12 in NZ [02:26] Burgwork: No, but I can install it if you wish. [02:26] no worries [02:27] Is there an issue with it? [02:28] no, I need something off a gobby server [02:29] It's no problem for me to install it. === naer_dinsul [n=deaconw@206.21.94.115] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Programs] === rytmisk [n=irc@CPE-155-143-134-168.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] so, "are we there yet?" [02:36] Fujitsu: got it? === Nafallo installs as well [02:37] Oh, you want me to do it? The `no worries' made it sound like you didn't need it >_> [02:37] will need it for UDS anyway ;-) [02:37] yep [02:38] OK, what did you want me to grab? [02:38] (sorry) [02:38] Fujitsu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies [02:38] connect to the gobby server on that machine [02:38] page [02:38] and pull UWN 19 off and copy to the wiki [02:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue19 [02:38] here [02:39] overwrite anything on that page [02:39] OK. [02:40] Uploading... [02:41] Done. [02:42] Fujitsu: you rock! thanks [02:42] hehe. nice bug Burgwork :-) [02:42] stuck on dapper here at work [02:42] No problem, sorry it took so long, but there was a bit of a misunderstanding :) [02:42] and gobby changed their protocol [02:42] Yup. === ajmitch needs to start playing with 2.6.19 [02:45] Burgwork: /EditingPolicies has a gobby .deb for dapper. [02:45] doesn't work and I need to get this out quickly === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] Ah. Perhaps that should be noted on the page? :-P [02:47] hello Hobbsee, StevenK === StevenK waves === Fujitsu runs away from Hobbsee, and greets StevenK. [02:47] hey Hobbsee [02:48] hey ajmitch, StevenK [02:48] hi Burgwork === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-37-177.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] wow Burgwork you don't waste time, I got my UWN already [02:52] I rarely do === ajmitch looks for the new UWN === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] I'll have to work harder, wasn't mentioned in this one ;) [02:56] heh [02:56] 2 or 3 issues ago was all Scot James Remnant! [02:57] best way to get into UWN: upload some new upstream [02:57] Burgwork: hard to do in freeze time === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] yep [02:57] hence why the edgy section was so small [02:58] Yeah, I haven't been in since UVF :P [02:58] oh, upload something interesting [02:58] given I do the edgy stuff,that means something desktop-y [02:58] new f-spot for feisty? :) [02:59] instant love [02:59] how about some userspace xen stuff? [02:59] yep [02:59] or network auth? [02:59] please, I can't take it anymore [02:59] cool, I've got packages ready for the above :) [02:59] I wish launchpad would spit out a "weekly spec report" [03:00] new specs, changes in specs, etc. [03:00] the short time until feature freeze will quickly disappear [03:00] I wish launchpad would spit out anything useful, j/k [03:00] or for that matter, some better bug reporting stuff [03:00] especially with holidays in the middle [03:00] Burgwork: post the bugstats page [03:00] I do [03:00] you had it in #17 or so [03:00] ah, it's still there? [03:00] carthiks one? [03:00] I think it got left off the template [03:01] yeah [03:01]