[12:14] <rmjb> wow ajmitch, you probably don't sleep
[12:14] <bhale> he is on the other side of the world from the rest of us
[12:14] <ajmitch> rmjb: huh?
[12:14] <rmjb> every time I'm on you're on...
[12:14] <ajmitch> well yes, it's called not disconnecting the irc client
[12:15] <zul> besides ajmitch is a weirdo
[12:15] <rmjb> I should try that...
[12:15] <rmjb> I should try that too...
[12:15] <ajmitch> zul: yes, so?
[12:15] <zul> just saying
[12:16] <LaserJock> bah, he's not weird
[12:16] <LaserJock> he just like the rest of us :-)
[12:16] <zul> you are saying that im weird?
[12:17] <LaserJock> yes
[12:17] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:17] <zul> LaserJock: oh ok...
[12:17] <Nafallo> what a discussion :-)
[12:17] <rmjb> feels like home
[12:18] <LaserJock> zul: come on dude, anybody that *volunteers* to maintain Xen and kernels stuff has got to be a few card short of a full deck ;-)
[12:18] <zul> LaserJock: heh thats what my wife says
[12:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 52?
[12:18] <LaserJock> zul: how is the wife, btw?
[12:18] <zul> 52.55555555555
[12:19] <zul> LaserJock: shes good, baby is good she had morning sickness this morning
[12:19] <zul> find out the sex on monday hopefully
[12:19] <LaserJock> zul: when is the ETA?
[12:19] <zul> and shes whiney :)
[12:19] <zul> Marchish
[12:19] <LaserJock> cool
[12:19] <zul> yeah havent started to freak out yet
[12:20] <zul> that reminds brb...need to reboot
[12:20] <ajmitch> due a bit before release time..
[12:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course it will be
[12:20] <zul> heh yeah..
[12:20] <zul> brb
[12:26] <ajmitch> welcome back, zul
[12:26] <zul> thanks..
[12:26] <zul> damn kernel
[12:27] <zul> LaserJock: yeah so everything is cool
[12:27] <LaserJock> zul: shhh, that's your bread and butter ;-)
[12:28] <rmjb> am I a MOTU Hopeful or a MOTU Wannabe?
[12:28] <ajmitch> rmjb: either
[12:28] <ajmitch> there's not exactly any set title :)
[12:28] <rmjb> there's not process with stages then...
[12:29] <rmjb> s/not/no/
[12:29] <rmjb> ok
[12:30] <ajmitch> the process is that you become a member, then a motu, then if you have far too much spare time, a core dev
[12:30] <LaserJock> zul: ok, realistically how hard is it to set up Xen for somebody that doesn't have a clue?
[12:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a few minutes
[12:30] <LaserJock> I wouldn't mind having a Debian install or something
[12:30] <LaserJock> I'm kinda tired of chroots
[12:30] <ajmitch> debian is easy to setup
[12:31] <ajmitch> since you can use xen-tools to set it up with debootstrap
[12:31] <rmjb> xen uses a vmdk like vmware? or a chroot like filesystem?
[12:32] <ajmitch> or LVM
[12:32] <zul> yep couple of minutes
[12:33] <ajmitch> hardest part is setting up the kernel in grub
[12:33] <ajmitch> which is copy & paste
[12:33] <LaserJock> ok, well this might show my complete ignorance here
[12:34] <LaserJock> how does the networking work?
[12:34] <zul> it uses a bridge network
[12:34] <LaserJock> and can the different installs (domains?) share files?
[12:34] <ajmitch> only via a network filesystem like nfs at the moment, afaik
[12:34] <zul> share files as in how?
[12:35] <ajmitch> I don't think the host fs stuff is there yet
[12:35] <zul> cow?
[12:35] <ajmitch> or like that.. :)
[12:35] <LaserJock> so it's really like a virtual machine
[12:36] <LaserJock> i.e. I could ssh to the host
[12:36] <ajmitch> it really is virtualisation, yes :)
[12:37] <ajmitch> no chroot-like stuff
[12:37] <LaserJock> you have to remember I'm a chemist
[12:37] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:37] <ajmitch> as if that's an excuse..
[12:37] <LaserJock> an experimental chemist
[12:37] <ajmitch> you're a MOTU
[12:37] <LaserJock> I suppose
[12:38] <ajmitch> we expect great things of you
[12:38] <LaserJock> that doesn't mean I know everything though ;p
[12:38] <ajmitch> none of us do
[12:38] <ajmitch> if we did, we'd be getting paid a lot more & not be here ;)
[12:39] <rmjb_> you really wouldn't be here?
[12:39] <LaserJock> I'd be in Oslo, getting a prize ;-)
[12:40] <LaserJock> and then I'd settle down in some place in the middle of nowhere Montana with a cluster and a T1
[12:43] <rmjb_> is there an NMU ( I guess that's Non-Maintainer Update ) policy for MOTUs?
[12:43] <LaserJock> no
[12:43] <ajmitch> no
[12:43] <LaserJock> there isn't any such thing as a NMU in Ubuntu
[12:44] <ajmitch> since we don't have the same maintainer lock that debian does
[12:44] <rmjb_> cool
[12:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you got ops in #edubuntu?
[12:44] <zul> however some people are picky if you touch their packages sometimes
[12:44] <ajmitch> no
[12:44] <gnomefreak> someone needs to
[12:44] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you break it, you get the bugs
[12:44] <gnomefreak> hes working his way around channels
[12:45] <ajmitch> I noticed
[12:45] <Fujitsu> The guy who was in -offtopic a while ago?
[12:45] <ajmitch> probably
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, it is.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: cyro... hes a troll and has been banned from most channels
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I noticed.
[12:46] <rmjb_> it's okay to touch a package that's utnubu maintained right? I was told that's just a place holder for debian packages
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Wow, he made up a custom insult for me!
[12:47] <ajmitch> rmjb: yes
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Hahahaha.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> He's got three onto him.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> grab him here too
[12:54] <tseng> god what a cunt
[12:54] <ajmitch> I have to head out now
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Bye ajmitch.
[12:54] <rmjb> laters ajmitch
[01:10] <zul> he is on -bugs now
[01:10] <gnomefreak> i see
[01:11] <gnomefreak> cant do nothing
[01:11] <gnomefreak> waiting for staff to contact me about it
[01:11] <Fujitsu> He's most pleasant...
[01:11] <Fujitsu> Damnit.
[01:11] <Fujitsu> Only three with ops in -bugs.
[01:11] <Fujitsu> (dholbach, sfllaw, Seveas)
[01:11] <gnomefreak> seveas is not around
[01:12] <Fujitsu> We need to get staff onto this, we can't do a thing :(
[01:12] <gnomefreak> dholbach im guessing is sleeping about now
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i pinged one
[01:12] <gnomefreak> waiting for reply :(
[01:12] <Fujitsu> dholbach won't be up for another 5 or 6 hours... sfllaw similar, and Seveas isn't here...
[01:12] <zul> http://www.cyorxamp.info/ some call him up and tell him he is gay
[01:12] <Fujitsu> We've got a big timezone gap :(
[01:13] <bhale> he would have my # after that
[01:14] <gnomefreak> can i and still keep my membership lol
[01:15] <Burgwork> sfflaw should be up and around
[01:15] <bhale> I would defend you if you came up with something better than "yer gay"
[01:15] <gnomefreak> bhale: oh im sure i can
[01:15] <bhale> great
[01:16] <rmjb> that's probably not his site... unless he's baiting people to contact him
[01:16] <bhale> right
[01:16] <bhale> this network is crap
[01:17] <bhale> rewriting the RFC as they see fit
[01:17] <bhale> keeping you from talking to staff, etc
[01:17] <Fujitsu> bhale: Can we /please/ try to not start flamewars like this? They always turn into nasty nasty things.. .(although I agree with you on this)
[01:17] <bhale> Fujitsu: i have been flaming freenode for years
[01:17] <bhale> Fujitsu: i doubt Ill stop anytime soon
[01:17] <bhale> meh
[01:18] <Burgwork> some of this is our own fault
[01:18] <bhale> the access lists are horrible
[01:18] <Burgwork> yes
[01:18] <bhale> particuarly this channel
[01:18] <Burgwork> they are not clearly updated
[01:18] <gnomefreak> Burgwork: there was a poll on the ops mailing list about this
[01:19] <Burgwork> just saw that
[01:19] <Fujitsu> Wow, a whole 3 people with rights here.
[01:19] <bhale> er
[01:19] <bhale> a whole...
[01:19] <bhale> 128 people
[01:19] <bhale> with rights
[01:19] <bhale> op yourself, have fun
[01:19] <gnomefreak> same in -bugs
[01:19] <bhale> GO NUTS
[01:19] <Fujitsu> Chanserv's access list has 3 people.
[01:19] <bhale> i get fussy when a kid with a script joins and his client ops him automatically
[01:20] <rmjb> I like FireRabbit's tactic
[01:20] <Fujitsu> So, can somebody just op themselves here?
[01:20] <bhale> yes.
[01:21] <Fujitsu> And in -bugs?
[01:21] <bhale> shrug
[01:22] <Fujitsu> No, unfortunately...
[01:22] <rmjb> BTW there's no showstoppers for Edgy's release tomorrow?
[01:23] <gnomefreak> we have a staffer in -meeting but hes not doing anything just watching :(
[01:23] <Fujitsu> rmjb: Not at the moment.
[01:23] <rmjb> cool, looking forward to it... will be busy in the forums
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't it be nice if we could easily get in contact with the channel of staff?
[01:24] <bhale> I said that
[01:24] <bhale> and was called a troll :)
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[01:24] <Fujitsu> You mean by me?
[01:24] <bhale> yes
[01:24] <bhale> its all true
[01:24] <Fujitsu> No, I just advised you against starting the flamewar again... It is true, yes.
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Similar, but not the same, as calling you a troll :)
[01:29] <Fujitsu> I think we need to contact the newly formed IRC Council(tm) about getting some reasonable numbers of ops in the channels... Two in -meeting isn't exactly adequate, especially now Seveas isn't around as much.
[01:29] <Hawkwind> Fujitsu: We're working on it
[01:31] <bhale> who is Hawkwind / IRC Council
[01:31] <bhale> TheMuso: you can list all channels
[01:31] <bhale> -meeting isnt obvious, either
[01:31] <Hawkwind> bhale: No.  But I'm an op in #Kubuntu so I know a bit of what's going on with with IRC council
[01:32] <bhale> is that Ubuntu IRC Council?
[01:32] <TheMuso> bhale: ?
[01:32] <bhale> TheMuso: ?
[01:32] <Hawkwind> bhale: It's the IRC Council for all *Ubuntu related channels
[01:32] <bhale> TheMuso: security by obscurity is bupkis
[01:32] <bhale> oh
[01:32] <bhale> the people who will beat me up when i say naughty things
[01:34] <TheMuso> bhale: I know one can list all channels, but I am simply reviewing the list for #ubuntu-accessibility to ponder whether I should grant ops to more people. But at the same time, suspect that that channel won't come under attack.
[01:34] <TheMuso> But who knows.
[01:34] <bhale> as I said, if your garden variety troll can find -meeting and -bugs
[01:34] <bhale> he can find anything
[01:35] <luisbg> to become a motu do I need to get my gpg signed by a member of the community in person like in debian?
[01:35] <Burgwork> TheMuso: all ubuntu channels will get hit
[01:35] <bhale> luisbg: yes.
[01:36] <luisbg> bhale, in a near future I would need to find a motu close to where I live then
[01:36] <bhale> where is that
[01:36] <luisbg> madrid, spain
[01:36] <bhale> hm
[01:36] <TheMuso> Burgwork: Can you be sure of that?
[01:36] <Burgwork> TheMuso: yes
[01:36] <bhale> jordim is in Vilanova
[01:36] <Burgwork> 100%
[01:36] <bhale> thats rather far i think
[01:37] <TheMuso> Righto.
[01:37] <luisbg> bhale, a little yes
[01:37] <Fujitsu> luisbg: Generally there'll be a Debian Developer in a fairly close vicinity to everywhere.
[01:37] <Burgwork> there are lots of debian users in spain
[01:37] <TheMuso> I'll keep a look out then.
[01:37] <bhale> oh
[01:37] <bhale> Beowulf
[01:37] <luisbg> Fujitsu, can the key be signed by a debian developer too?
[01:37] <bhale> [oftc]  -|-  ircname  : Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
[01:37] <bhale> look him up
[01:38] <luisbg> anybody knows if emails can be gpg signed in gmail?
[01:38] <bhale> no
[01:39] <LaserJock> I was a motu before my key was signed by an Ubuntu/Debian person :-)
[01:39] <luisbg> LaserJock, hey! cool to know
[01:39] <LaserJock> although I would certainly think it is better to have a Ubuntu person do it
[01:39] <luisbg> but anyway... there is enough time until that happens to get to know someone close
[01:40] <LaserJock> I don't know that there is a exact rule on who has to sign your key
[01:40] <bhale> biglumber.com
[01:40] <LaserJock> I find gpg keys kind of weird that way.
[01:41] <luisbg> it's the weird point of the system
[01:41] <luisbg> how to get a good system to trust the keyrings
[01:41] <luisbg> LaserJock, may I query you?
[01:41] <LaserJock> sure
[01:42] <bhale> luisbg: i really think jsogo@debian.org is in Madrid
[01:42] <bhale> Beowulf on irc
[01:43] <bhale> he is in spain
[01:43] <luisbg> writing it down for a future reference
[01:43] <bhale> ok
[01:43] <bhale> he could at least tell you other people in the area i guess
[01:43] <luisbg> ok, thanks
[01:43] <LaserJock> getting a DD to sign your key is nice
[01:44] <bhale> I got Manoj
[01:44] <LaserJock> I had to wait until Paris for that
[01:44] <bhale> who is gpg KING
[01:44] <bhale> his signature is like gold
[01:44] <LaserJock> yeah, I got mako, dholbach, and ogra in Paris
[01:44] <bhale> ihave those
[01:44] <bhale> its like trading cards
[01:44] <bhale> gotta get em all
[01:45] <Fujitsu> I was thinking that.
[01:45] <bhale> i need a LaserJock
[01:45] <LaserJock> haha
[01:46] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: sex? ;-)
[01:46] <luisbg> for some reason... once you create yourself a gpg key... you crave getting it signed a lot of times
[01:46] <TheMuso> Seems our pal Cyorxamphas moved elsewhere.
[01:46] <LaserJock> well, Nevada isn't exactly the easiest place to find Ubuntu devs to sign your key :/
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Ha. Ha.
[01:47] <luisbg> LaserJock, no ubuntu devs in the middle of the desert
[01:47] <luisbg> night all!
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Bye, luisbg.
[02:05] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[02:07] <LaserJock> how interesting, I was just reading the comments on Mark's latest blog post
[02:07] <ajmitch> yeah..
[02:07] <LaserJock> many people don't like the brown
[02:08] <LaserJock> is that they are used to blue or what?
[02:08] <LaserJock> I don't get it
[02:08] <ajmitch> brown just isn't appealing to many people
[02:08] <LaserJock> I think it's a whole lot better then the blue
[02:09] <LaserJock> I guess that's just me though
[02:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I agree, I much prefer it to blue.
[02:09] <LaserJock> blue is pretty generic to me
[02:09] <ajmitch> I like generic
[02:09] <LaserJock> to bright as well a lot of the time
[02:09] <ajmitch> I don't like a UI that's in my face
[02:10] <LaserJock> the brown is relaxing to me
[02:10] <LaserJock> not generic as in boring
[02:10] <Fujitsu> It's relaxing, easy on the eyes, generally pleasant.
[02:10] <LaserJock> generic as in expected
[02:10] <ajmitch> I think I'll give up on #ubuntu & #ubuntu+1 for awhile
[02:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:11] <naer_dinsul> So, just out of curiosity, is Firefox 2.0 going to be in Edgy?
[02:11] <Fujitsu> naer_dinsul: It is.
[02:12] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: We need all hands on deck!
[02:12] <naer_dinsul> Fujitsu: Ah...  Beautiful.  Okay.  Thank you.
[02:12] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I'll be in my bunker coding for feisty
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Do we know when Feisty will open?
[02:12] <ajmitch> no, and don't you dare ask in -devel
[02:13] <ajmitch> let people rest for a few days
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Never!
[02:13] <Burgwork> bleeding hell
[02:13] <Burgwork> edgy is not even out yet
[02:13] <LaserJock> I think fiesty will open up as soon as edgy is released
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Pfft, it's frozen, close enough :P
[02:13] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It was about a week last time.
[02:13] <LaserJock> but the toolchain will take a week or 2 to iron out
[02:14] <LaserJock> I'm probably not going to upload anything until after Mountain View
 is feisty out yet?  is it usable?
[02:14] <naer_dinsul> Well, for what it's worth, I really appreciate the work you guys do on Ubuntu.
[02:14] <LaserJock> haha
[02:16] <ajmitch> I even got bug reports requesting packages be done before feisty opens
[02:17] <rmjb> I just saw that signing the gpg key thing... what will I do? I'm in Trinidad in the caribbean!
[02:18] <Fujitsu> rmjb: There's probably a Debian Developer there somewhere :)
[02:19] <rmjb> I doubt, we're small, less than 1.5 mill people... but if you know of any I'd be greatfull
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, DDs can find other DDs.
[02:19] <ajmitch> nope, no DDs recorded there
[02:19] <rmjb> it's Trinidad and Tobago
[02:19] <ajmitch> rmjb: being small doesn't mean much
[02:19] <rmjb> yeah I know, we're not big on the open source either
[02:20] <ajmitch> I'm in a city of ~120K people, there are 5 or 6 DDs herer\
[02:20] <rmjb> gov't get's wooed by MS
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Impressive, ajmitch.
[02:20] <rmjb> wow, that's a good percentage in that city
[02:20] <ajmitch> at least as many more elsewhere in NZ
[02:20] <ajmitch> another kiwi just got his debian.org account last week or so
[02:21] <Burgwork> ajmitch: how many in Victoria?
[02:21] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure how many there are in Melbourne (with 3 million people), but there are quite a few.
[02:21] <rmjb> there's no way to get it signed without meeting someone face to face?
[02:22] <Fujitsu> rmjb: Not properly, no. But having it signed isn't a strict requirement.
[02:22] <ajmitch> Burgwork: victoria, australia?
[02:22] <Burgwork> ajmitch: no, here
[02:23] <rmjb> who knows... if I get into this thing a lot I might make a trip to some OS conference...
[02:23] <rmjb> which is a tall order since I hardly travel
[02:23] <rmjb> anyone listens to tllts?
[02:23] <ajmitch> 58 DDs in Canada
[02:24] <Fujitsu> How many in total, ajmitch?
[02:25] <rmjb> cool they have the creator of slackware on tonite
[02:25] <ajmitch> Number of entries matched: 1481
[02:25] <Burgwork> any edgy users have gobby installed?
[02:26] <ajmitch> so a lot more DDs than ubuntu developers :)
[02:26] <ajmitch> 12 in NZ
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Burgwork: No, but I can install it if you wish.
[02:26] <Burgwork> no worries
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Is there an issue with it?
[02:28] <Burgwork> no, I need something off a gobby server
[02:29] <Fujitsu> It's no problem for me to install it.
[02:33] <ajmitch> so, "are we there yet?"
[02:36] <Burgwork> Fujitsu: got it?
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Oh, you want me to do it? The `no worries' made it sound like you didn't need it >_>
[02:37] <Nafallo> will need it for UDS anyway ;-)
[02:37] <Burgwork> yep
[02:38] <Fujitsu> OK, what did you want me to grab?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> (sorry)
[02:38] <Burgwork> Fujitsu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[02:38] <Burgwork> connect to the gobby server on that machine
[02:38] <Burgwork> page
[02:38] <Burgwork> and pull UWN 19 off and copy to the wiki
[02:38] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue19
[02:38] <Burgwork> here
[02:39] <Burgwork> overwrite anything on that page
[02:39] <Fujitsu> OK.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Uploading...
[02:41] <Fujitsu> Done.
[02:42] <Burgwork> Fujitsu: you rock! thanks
[02:42] <Nafallo> hehe. nice bug Burgwork :-)
[02:42] <Burgwork> stuck on dapper here at work
[02:42] <Fujitsu> No problem, sorry it took so long, but there was a bit of a misunderstanding :)
[02:42] <Burgwork> and gobby changed their protocol
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Yup.
[02:45] <StevenK> Burgwork: /EditingPolicies has a gobby .deb for dapper.
[02:45] <Burgwork> doesn't work and I need to get this out quickly
[02:46] <StevenK> Ah. Perhaps that should be noted on the page? :-P
[02:47] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee, StevenK
[02:47] <Burgwork> hey Hobbsee
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, StevenK
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi Burgwork
[02:52] <rmjb> wow Burgwork you don't waste time, I got my UWN already
[02:52] <Burgwork> I rarely do
[02:56] <ajmitch> I'll have to work harder, wasn't mentioned in this one ;)
[02:56] <Burgwork> heh
[02:56] <rmjb> 2 or 3 issues ago was all Scot James Remnant!
[02:57] <Burgwork> best way to get into UWN: upload some new upstream
[02:57] <ajmitch> Burgwork: hard to do in freeze time
[02:57] <Burgwork> yep
[02:57] <Burgwork> hence why the edgy section was so small
[02:58] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I haven't been in since UVF :P
[02:58] <Burgwork> oh, upload something interesting
[02:58] <Burgwork> given I do the edgy stuff,that means something desktop-y
[02:58] <ajmitch> new f-spot for feisty? :)
[02:59] <Burgwork> instant love
[02:59] <ajmitch> how about some userspace xen stuff?
[02:59] <Burgwork> yep
[02:59] <ajmitch> or network auth?
[02:59] <Burgwork> please, I can't take it anymore
[02:59] <ajmitch> cool, I've got packages ready for the above :)
[02:59] <Burgwork> I wish launchpad would spit out a "weekly spec report"
[03:00] <Burgwork> new specs, changes in specs, etc.
[03:00] <ajmitch> the short time until feature freeze will quickly disappear
[03:00] <LaserJock> I wish launchpad would spit out anything useful, j/k
[03:00] <Burgwork> or for that matter, some better bug reporting stuff
[03:00] <ajmitch> especially with holidays in the middle
[03:00] <ajmitch> Burgwork: post the bugstats page
[03:00] <Burgwork> I do
[03:00] <ajmitch> you had it in #17 or so
[03:00] <ajmitch> ah, it's still there?
[03:00] <Burgwork> carthiks one?
[03:00] <Burgwork> I think it got left off the template
[03:01] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:01] <ajmitch> that's the only useful bugstats I know of
[03:01] <Fujitsu> LP is really useful for bug stats.
[03:01] <ajmitch> nope, it's in #19
[03:01] <Burgwork> template fixed, at any rate
[03:01] <ajmitch> Open (16935) - 363 extra open bugs since UWN #18
[03:01] <ajmitch> that's so great to see...
[03:02] <ajmitch> we're losing badly on the bug front
[03:02] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah like the MOTU Science bug situation :/
[03:02] <Burgwork> yes, yes we are
[03:02] <LaserJock> I've almost got a LP parser for MOTU Science done
[03:02] <Burgwork> LaserJock: I don't know that the ubuntustudio people know what they are in for
[03:02] <Fujitsu> \o/ LaserJock
[03:03] <Fujitsu> I tried to write one...
[03:03] <Fujitsu> But the LP HTML is terrible.
[03:03] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why do you need to screen-scrape?
[03:03] <LaserJock> my only problem is I'm getting "all bugs ever reported" rather then "all open bugs"
[03:03] <LaserJock> ajmitch: because I can't think of anything better
[03:04] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Because LP's bug contact listing is terrible?
[03:04] <ajmitch> the wonders of proprietary solutions
[03:04] <Burgwork> is malone better than bugzilla?
[03:04] <ajmitch> Burgwork: define 'better'
[03:04] <LaserJock> I've never used bugzilla
[03:04] <Burgwork> 2 years later
[03:05] <Burgwork> given the number of python hackers in the Ubuntu community...
[03:05] <ajmitch> malone is almost as slow
[03:05] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Want to read our bug list?
[03:05] <Fujitsu> https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs
[03:05] <ajmitch> and that was because bugzilla was loading a 1MB .js on each page load
[03:05] <Fujitsu> Burgwork: exactly... It's annoying being held back like this :(
[03:05] <Burgwork> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-directory/+packagebugs
[03:05] <Burgwork> we are far more sane
[03:05] <ajmitch> Burgwork: just you wait
[03:05] <Burgwork> yep
[03:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: bah, sissies
[03:06] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: wait until I upload my crack
[03:06] <ajmitch> nasty python code that I wrote ;)
[03:06] <Fujitsu> You'd think Malone would be sane enough to, you know... <caps>have an option to hide packages without bugs</caps>?
[03:06] <ajmitch> then the bug count will explode
[03:06] <Burgwork> I do like the package<-->team stuff
[03:06] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, even that would be a big help
[03:07] <Burgwork> but there are just so many things that malone still sucks at, and has sucked at for 2 years
[03:07] <Fujitsu> But nooo, `Use +subscribedbugs' is all they can say.
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Of course, that doesn't actually list 90% of the bugs.
[03:07] <ajmitch> Burgwork: I'm sure we can find other packages to add to the list for -directory
[03:07] <LaserJock> I think LP as a whole is cool because of having specs, teams, translation, bugs, code in one place
[03:07] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: yes, but LP as a whole also sucks in every way.
[03:07] <Burgwork> ajmitch: we looked at all the packages with ldap and nss in their name
[03:08] <Burgwork> cool idea, bad implementation
[03:08] <StevenK> LaserJock: s/bugs, code/bugs/
[03:08] <LaserJock> StevenK: I was talking about bazaar.launchpad.net
[03:08] <LaserJock> it's pretty handy
[03:09] <Fujitsu> Malone's interface is also soooo intuitive.
[03:09] <ajmitch> Burgwork: maybe add things like samba to the list
[03:09] <LaserJock> but yes, this little +subscribedbugs was pretty bad
[03:09] <Burgwork> you click the link and you get a popout!
[03:09] <Burgwork> ajmitch: will do
[03:09] <LaserJock> I thought we were keeping track of bugs
[03:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: as did I...
[03:09] <LaserJock> and I missed a ton
[03:09] <Fujitsu> Then I noticed that TeX alone was meant to have that many bugs.
[03:09] <LaserJock> I still don't know many of them
[03:10] <LaserJock> I could have fixed some before the freeze
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Exactly. LP is a hazard, and causes things to not get fixed :(
[03:10] <LaserJock> but like I said, Malone is the only bug tracker I know so I don't know how bad it is
[03:10] <Burgwork> ajmitch: done
[03:10] <Fujitsu> It can't be that hard for the LP people to add a `show only packages that have bugs' button.
[03:10] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I just give up & subscribe to ubuntu-bugs
[03:10] <ajmitch> Burgwork: thanks
[03:10] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That doesn't help for existing, untouched bugs.
[03:10] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: mutt's filtering & procmail can be more useful for me
[03:11] <Burgwork> if a team is getting bugs, there is no way for team members to say "no bugs thanks"
[03:11] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what are you saying?
[03:11] <ajmitch> Burgwork: only by setting a mailing list as the contact address
[03:11] <Burgwork> I am a member of the laptop testing team
[03:11] <ajmitch> and then having the team members unsubscribe from the mailing list
[03:11] <Burgwork> but I don't want to receive laptopo bugs
[03:12] <Burgwork> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-laptop/+packagebugs
[03:12] <Burgwork> because of this
[03:12] <ajmitch> if the team has no contact address, all team members get the mail
[03:12] <Burgwork> acpi-support and gnome-power-manager
[03:12] <LaserJock> we have a mailing list thank goodness for MOTU Science
[03:12] <LaserJock> that's how I figured out about this +subscribedbugs problem
[03:12] <Fujitsu> I'm quite sure all these things would have been implemented ages ago had it been open... :(
[03:12] <Burgwork> yep
[03:12] <ajmitch>  35 bugs against acpi that probably shouldn't be there
[03:13] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I noticed it when I looked at various TeX packages and discovered they had on their own more than the total number on +subscribedbugs.
[03:13] <Burgwork> ok, I am off
[03:13] <Fujitsu> Bye, Burgwork.
[03:13] <ajmitch> bye Burgwork
[03:13] <LaserJock> I don't blame the LP guys though
[03:13] <LaserJock> they are doing a lot of work
[03:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sabdfl?
[03:13] <LaserJock> I had some good conversations with bradb about Malone in Paris
[03:13] <ajmitch> hello cr3
[03:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: basically
[03:14] <ajmitch> yeah, I've talked with bradb a few times
[03:14] <LaserJock> the thing is that Malone is basically just bradb
[03:14] <Fujitsu> :O
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Really?
[03:14] <LaserJock> with some help from others
[03:14] <LaserJock> but basically
[03:15] <LaserJock> so he's working his butt off trying to help developers out
[03:15] <LaserJock> but he's only got so many hours in a day
[03:15] <Fujitsu> Of course, our chances in a battle against SABDFL are zero...
[03:15] <LaserJock> I wouldn't say zero
[03:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and BjornT
[03:15] <LaserJock> but close :-)
[03:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right
[03:16] <joejaxx> anyone know what gnome uses for it onscreen volume control?
[03:16] <LaserJock> although it seemed like bradb was doing most of the interface and feature stuff
[03:17] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: :(
[03:17] <cr3> ajmitch: ahoy
[03:18] <rmjb> hey, does http://podcasts.engaget.com freeze up anyone else's firefox2?
[03:20] <Fujitsu> My Firefox is still quite liquid, rmjb.
[03:20] <rmjb> hmm...
[03:22] <rmjb> every time it freezes for me... must be that flash 9
[03:27] <zul> heh i guess everyone is taking the night off on -devel
[03:27] <bhale> yes
[03:27] <bhale> good idea , too\
[03:27] <bhale> stupid UK keyboard gar
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[03:27] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:27] <bhale> hello bd
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya Fujitsu, ajmitch, bhale
[03:28] <bhale> im last?
[03:28] <bhale> sigh.
[03:28] <bddebian> You're too slow apparently ;-P
[03:28] <bhale> I'll show you slow
[03:30] <rmjb> Fujitsu: you don't have flash 9 beta installed right?
[03:30] <Fujitsu> rmjb: Correct.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> It is proprietary.
[03:31] <rmjb> cool, just want to make sure before I file my bug on malone
[03:31] <rmjb> :)
[03:31] <Fujitsu> I had it installed for a short time to test imbrandon's package, however.
[03:31] <Fujitsu> rmjb: If it's about Flash 9, it'll get rejected within seconds.
[03:31] <rmjb> yeah I know... I saw ajmitch try to find a nice way to reject a flash 9 bug
[03:33] <FunnyLookinHat> How do I find the specific package info using apt-cache ?
[03:33] <bhale> someday ajmitch will learn from me
[03:33] <bhale> and stop being nice
[03:33] <FunnyLookinHat> for say, a package called libclucene0
[03:33] <bhale> apt-cache show libclucene0
[03:33] <bhale> apt-cache showsrc libclucene0
[03:34] <zul> ajmitch has a bit of a mean streak in him
[03:34] <rmjb> bhale: isn't nice in the code of conduct? I heard the patterned it after canada
[03:34] <rmjb> kidding
[03:34] <bhale> ha ha
[03:35] <zul> uh huh
[03:36] <ajmitch> bhale: I try
[03:36] <bhale> trying to dist upgrade this month-old laptop
[03:36] <bhale> not doing that hot
[03:37] <bhale> mirrror speeds
[03:37] <ajmitch> yeah, I should dist-upgrade some of my edgy stuff sometime
[03:37] <pcniatic> when those feisty opens?
[03:37] <ajmitch> once I care
[03:37] <ajmitch> pcniatic: when it's there, not a moment before
[03:37] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :D
[03:38] <ajmitch> ie we don't know
[03:38] <pcniatic> i mean, when does feisty opens?
[03:38] <ajmitch> see above
[03:38] <zul> my magic 8 ball says ask again later
[03:38] <Hobbsee> pcniatic: 2 months after the last person asked
[03:38] <ajmitch> edgy isn't even out, let people have some rest :)
[03:38] <pcniatic> je, ok
[03:38] <zul> thats another kitten we are going to have to kill
[03:39] <bhale> it will be a few weeks possibly
[03:39] <lophyte> feisty opens at MV, I believe
[03:39] <Fujitsu> I bet it will open after LP goes down for 24 hours for mass data migration. They seem to like that.
[03:39] <bhale> before general uploading
[03:39] <ajmitch> lophyte: maybe
[03:39] <lophyte> or not long after I'd assume
[03:39] <ajmitch> lophyte: it's been open before the conference in the past
[03:39] <lophyte> ah
[03:39] <ajmitch> so that we could have fun throwing mono at the buildds & watching what sticks
[03:40] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:41] <bhale> amd64 was the wild west back then
[03:41] <joejaxx> lophyte: hey! :D
[03:41] <lophyte> joejaxx: heya :)
[03:41] <joejaxx> lophyte: its my fellow catalyst
[03:41] <lophyte> haha
[03:41] <lophyte> how's it going?
[03:41] <joejaxx> it is going well
[03:42] <joejaxx> just trying to get some packages ready for when fawn universe is ready
[03:42] <lophyte> cool
[03:58] <LaserJock> hola bddebian
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:00] <LaserJock> darn, department server still down
[04:00] <LaserJock> that must be one big mess
[04:01] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[04:01] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu
[04:02] <LaserJock> maybe I shouldn't use my school mail for Ubuntu stuff
[04:03] <Fujitsu> Why not?
[04:03] <LaserJock> it's one thing if I can't get Department announcements
[04:03] <joejaxx> LaserJock: you could always create a gmail account
[04:03] <LaserJock> but I *need* my Ubuntu mail ;-)
[04:03] <joejaxx> that never goes down
[04:03] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I have one, but it doesn't handle LP mail very well
[04:03] <Fujitsu> But Gmail is run by Google.
[04:04] <LaserJock> I have pretty good access generally to my school server
[04:04] <LaserJock> and unlimited space
[04:04] <LaserJock> but it's been down for 2 days now
[04:04] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: and the internet goes through backbones...who knows what they are doing
[04:08] <LaserJock> I could use laserjock.us I guess
[04:09] <ajmitch> just like I could use my domain for mail as well
[04:09] <ajmitch> but I'd not want to expose my blog to the world ;)
[04:09] <Fujitsu> You said you didn't have one, ajmitch!
[04:10] <LaserJock> I'm going to have to figure you hide that and put it on planet :-)
[04:10] <LaserJock> *where you
[04:10] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: correct
[04:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: nothing to add
[04:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hehe, maybe I'll make one up for you
[04:11] <LaserJock> motuslacker.blogger.com ;-)
[04:11] <ajmitch> sounds like me
[04:11] <ajmitch> the motu who does nothing
[04:12] <LaserJock> me neither on Universe
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: still far more than me
[04:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: I doubt that
[04:13] <Fujitsu> (and the various freezes)
[04:13] <bddebian> Fujitsu: I understand, mine is work :-(
[04:58] <rmjb> good night everyone
[06:59] <Fujitsu> Who updated the website with a `6.10 is released' image?
[07:02] <FunnyLookinHat> No clue...
[07:02] <FunnyLookinHat> But the mirrors aren't ready yet  : )
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Exactly.
[07:02] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[07:02] <Fujitsu> People in #ubuntu are saying it has been released, though,
[07:02] <ajmitch> sigh
[07:03] <FunnyLookinHat> doesn't really matter...  the RC is practically the real deal.. with a few updates packages
[07:04] <ajmitch> it does matter when the release images aren't there yet
[07:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Well I mean, yes it does...  but in the grand scheme of things, not a big deal.
[07:05] <Fujitsu> It does matter.
[07:05] <Fujitsu> WE have enough people in #ubuntu asking when it will be released, without people saying WHERE ARE THE IMAGES OMG?
[07:07] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: I love cdimages.ubuntu.com, I wish I could live there.
[07:07] <Fujitsu> I can't imagine the datacentre would be particularly pleasant to live in :P
[07:08] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: ever seen Lawnmower man?
[07:08] <Fujitsu> No...
[07:09] <Nafallo> !seen Lawnmower
[07:09] <ubotu> I last saw Lawnmower (n=Wim@mowbot.xs4all.nl) 7h 27s ago, quiting: "Leaving."
[07:09] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: http://imdb.com/title/tt0104692/
[07:09] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: terrible movie, but put that and Tron in a bottle, shake it, and you have the meaning behind the word "live" :)
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Heheh/
[07:12] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh man watching #ubuntu is quite entertaining  : )
[07:14] <FunnyLookinHat> This was just spammed in #ubuntu....   http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso       say goodbye to that mirror.
[07:14] <Fujitsu> Oooh dear.
[07:15] <ajmitch> FunnyLookinHat: no big problem
[07:16] <ajmitch> only an issue if images are recreated & pushed to mirrors due to critical bugs
[07:30] <TheMuso> Heh. Everybody is getting over excited.
[07:30] <TheMuso> I'll wait till its pushed to mirrors, as I'm low on quota this month.
[07:30] <TheMuso> Or for the remainder of the month.
[07:31] <minghua_> stupid network...
[07:31] <Fujitsu> You know, they /could/ announce it, rather than leaving it for people to find and go hysterical about as it's pushed to mirrors...
[07:31] <LaserJock> I'm already running 6.10 so ... ;-)
[07:32] <Fujitsu> I think most of us here are :)
[07:32] <lotusleaf> Fujitsu: embrace the chaos
[07:33] <LaserJock> just make sure you dist-upgrade before they release
[07:33] <LaserJock> as archive.u.c will be really slow for a while :-)
[07:36] <Nafallo> LaserJock: good point.
[07:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:37] <LaserJock> I waited to long for dapper
[07:37] <LaserJock> and had to wait a while to dist-upgrade
[07:38] <Nafallo> oh
[07:38] <Nafallo> I'm up-to-date :-)
[07:40] <Toadstool> 'evening
[07:43] <kkubasik> hey, anyone here ever packaed a project that used scons for its build tool?
[07:44] <StevenK> Once.
[07:44] <kkubasik> how was that?
[07:44] <Toadstool> scons is evil :p
[07:44] <kkubasik> slash, what was it, im probably gonna pirate your rules if that's alright
[07:44] <StevenK> kkubasik: Does that answer your question? :-P
[07:44] <kkubasik> haha, agreed, just suck it up and use make
[07:44] <kkubasik> StevenK: plenty
[07:44] <kkubasik> ;)
[07:45] <StevenK> That's it, wengophone.
[07:53] <Nafallo> huga. users won't listen I guess.
[07:54] <Fujitsu> That icto* guy?
[07:55] <Nafallo> everyone :-P
[07:55] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:11] <Kagou> hi
[08:31] <seaLne> hmm revu just removed me for excessive mail bounces, maybe if it didn't send mails with a score of over 20 they wouldn't be rejected at mta
[08:31] <Lathiat> heh
[08:35] <LaserJock> I wonder if I should do a "I'm running 6.10 right now" in #ubuntu
[08:36] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: why not, some people are flirting with ubotu they're so desperate in there
 ubotu: r u hott? ;)
[08:38] <Lathiat> lol
[08:39] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off for the night. Happy Edgy Day people!
[08:39] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: happy edgy day!
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Wooohooo, 6.10 has been dugg! Lovely preempting.
[08:58] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Where?
[08:58] <crimsun> we totally need those .pool links replaced with 4.10 downloads. That'll learn 'em.
[08:59] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Yeah.
[08:59] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Front page, 2nd or so post.
[08:59] <Fujitsu> (even with .pool links!)
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Can we have a big red `Hands off if you're not a mirror' title on that page for Feisty, please?
[09:02] <StevenK> (On Winders)
[09:03] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Not yet, AFAIK.
[09:03] <Fujitsu> They said they'll make it a suggest an update in a couple of weeks, I think.
[09:03] <StevenK> Ah
[09:13] <StevenK> FeistyFawn: You forgot EdgyEft in the middle.
[09:16] <Nafallo> and Dapper is still supported ;-)
[09:18] <imbrandon> moins fellas
[09:18] <DBO> moins imbrandon
[09:19] <imbrandon> heya DBO
[09:32] <sivang> morning motus
[09:47] <dholbach> GOOD MORNING
[09:50] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[09:51] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee
[09:53] <imbrandon> ugh i thought canonical sponsored the forums ?
[09:53] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Why do you bring this up?
[09:54] <crimsun> he loves pudding.
[09:54] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, becouse it seems they have google ad's now ( and i had to remove the google ad's from buntudot.org once it became "official" )
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Does it!?
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Good, good. Even more reason for me to not visit them.
[09:55] <imbrandon> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93741   is the link i just clicked, tell me i'm wrong
[09:55] <crimsun> I don't see one.
[09:55] <crimsun> oh wait
[09:55] <crimsun> yes, under Sponsored Links
[09:55] <cbx33> yup
[09:55] <cbx33> google ads
[09:56] <cbx33> ewww twice on the same page
[09:56] <imbrandon> thats a no no afaik , like i said i had to remove them ( per jane siber ) from buntudot.org when it was merged into the fridge
[09:58] <imbrandon> is there someone i can poke about this? i would rather not see google ad's on offical sites ( or atleaste be told it was intentional and canonical is getting the money not some forum yahoo )
[09:59] <cbx33> hey guys, got a question, with package dependencies if for example you have a package that depends on another package....and the package you depend on changes.....well I guess I'm trying to say, once a package is built, it is more important to know what the built package depends on rather than the source right?
[10:00] <imbrandon> huh? i dont quite understand the question heheh
[10:01] <cbx33> imbrandon, me neither :p
[10:01] <cbx33> nevermind on that one
[10:01] <imbrandon> :)
[10:01] <cbx33> is there a way to get /var/lib/apt/lists for all archs
[10:01] <crimsun> if B depends on A, then yes, you do need to make sure B remains installable when A changes.
[10:01] <cbx33> not just the current one you are on for packages?
[10:01] <cbx33> crimsun, exactly
[10:02] <crimsun> otherwise you may run into the "unmet dep" issue
[10:02] <cbx33> but you don't care so much abotu the source right? as the pacakge is already built
[10:02] <crimsun> you're referring to binaries, not source. You'd have to trigger a rebuild of B's _source_
[10:02] <crimsun> (but not always)
[10:02] <cbx33> right
[10:03] <sivang> oh wawo, seems like Linux World londong has been good fun
[10:03] <cbx33> but both source and binary can have different dependencies
[10:03] <cbx33> right?
[10:03] <StevenK> The only dependencies a source package has are Build-Depends{,-Indep}.
[10:04] <cbx33> I'm curious how does it figure out what build deps are needed?
[10:04] <sivang> StevenK: and -Indep being platform independnet build depends ?
[10:04] <sivang> cbx33: who does? :)
[10:04] <StevenK> sivang: Correct.
[10:05] <sivang> cbx33: you mean, how does subtvars get the right build-deps?
[10:05] <cbx33> yes
[10:05] <sivang> cbx33: objdump or something
[10:05] <StevenK> That's magic.
[10:05] <cbx33> ahhh
[10:05] <StevenK> sivang: Bullcrap
[10:05] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:05] <sivang> StevenK: heh
[10:05] <sivang> StevenK: it's not?
[10:05] <StevenK> No.
[10:05] <StevenK> dpkg-shlibdeps is used
[10:05] <imbrandon> shlibs
[10:05] <cbx33> i see
[10:05] <imbrandon> yea what StevenK said
[10:05] <StevenK> Library packages provide a shlibs file.
[10:05] <cbx33> ok....
[10:06] <sivang> StevenK: ah right, that as well ;)
[10:06] <sivang> cbx33: essentiall, when folks create lib packages, they 'publish' a file that dpkg-shlibdeps is using to determin which build-deps are neede, I think
[10:07] <sivang> *essentially
[10:07] <cbx33> ok
[10:07] <cbx33> right ok next question...
[10:07] <cbx33> if I'm on a 386 machine
[10:07] <StevenK> It's stuffed into the DEBIAN directory that ends up in /var/lib/dpkg/info.
[10:07] <cbx33> I only get package lists for a 386 machine
[10:07] <cbx33> what if I want to check stuff across all archs?
[10:08] <StevenK> cbx33: Use madison-lite?
[10:08] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% madison-lite -s edgy libc6 libc6 | 2.4-1ubuntu12 |          edgy | amd64, i386
[10:08] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[10:08] <imbrandon> konsole ftw
[10:08] <imbrandon> heheh
[10:08] <StevenK> There's supposed to be a line break! I want my line break!
[10:09] <imbrandon> heh
[10:09] <sivang> StevenK: I have no DEBIAN in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[10:09] <StevenK> sivang: The DEBIAN directory is used while building the .deb, it gets sucked into control.tar.gz which is untarred directly into /var/lib/dpkg/info
[10:10] <sivang> StevenK: right, sorry I thought you meant that DEBIAN gets created there which is obviously non sensical
[10:10] <StevenK> (A .deb being an ar archive made up of debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz)
[10:12] <sivang> StevenK: btw, quoting the man page, objdump does play a role there, it just competes with shlibs.default
[10:12] <cbx33> StevenK, madison-lite complains about not being able to find dists
[10:12] <sivang> StevenK: you haven't. I know what a .deb is :)
[10:13] <StevenK> cbx33: Yes, you need to download them, in the tree format.
[10:13] <cbx33> ahhh
[10:13] <cbx33> ok
[10:13] <StevenK> dists/edgy/main/binary-{i386,amd64}/Packages.gz
[10:13] <cbx33> yeh
[10:13] <cbx33> i get it now
[10:14] <StevenK> sivang: Which manual page?
[10:14] <sivang> StevenK: man dpkg-shlibdeps
[10:50] <imbrandon> wow amd is promoting the sale of intel chips ( http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/promotions/overdrivecore/ )
[11:13] <xerxas> Hi all !
[11:23] <kkubasik> anyone know of a package that really needs to get packaged?
[11:24] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[11:25] <minghua> I was going to say that too :-)
[11:25] <minghua> note some of the software listed there may be already packaged though
[11:25] <kkubasik> its just odd, because about half of them can't be packaged for liscensing reasons
[11:25] <minghua> for example I see apache 2.2
[11:25] <kkubasik> oooo, that might be a good one ;)
[11:26] <kkubasik> just to REVU right?
[11:27] <thom> leave apache2.2 alone
[11:27] <kkubasik> ?
[11:27] <thom> virtually all the apache maintainers work for canonical
[11:27] <thom> it's done in debian/unstable, it'll be synced for feisty
[11:28] <minghua> yeah, when I mention apache 2.2 I mean it's already packaged (at least in Debian)
[11:28] <thom> it'll be synced into main for feisty
[11:28] <thom> there are much better things to work on
[11:29] <ajmitch> kkubasik: well this is a page that random people add stuff to
[11:29] <ajmitch> it's hardly a comprehensive list of what is needed & not already packaged
[11:29] <ajmitch> hey thom
[11:29] <kkubasik> alrighty
[11:29] <kkubasik> is there a more comprehensive list anywhere? or is it just every man for himself
[11:30] <ajmitch> no
[11:31] <xerxas> anyway, developpement of feisty havn't started, right ?
[11:31] <xerxas> can I start packaging stuff for feisty ?
[11:31] <ajmitch> yes, you can
[11:31] <xerxas> is pbuilder for feisty and repos already here ?
[11:31] <ajmitch> no
[11:31] <ajmitch> just use edgy pbuilder
[11:32] <xerxas> the work for feisty haven't started yet, right ?
[11:32] <ajmitch> correct
[11:32] <ajmitch> since edgy isn't even officially released
[11:32] <xerxas> yup
[11:32] <xerxas> :)
[11:33] <thom> ajmitch: dude.
[11:38] <thom> right, a2.2 removed from candidates
[11:40] <minghua> good move
[11:41] <thom> (given the rules file is 230 lines of reasonably complex make, it's not a suitable package for a newbie anyway)
[12:00] <luisbg> hello all
[12:01] <imbrandon> ello
[12:02] <luisbg> hello imbrandon =)
[12:53] <pirast> congratulations everyone to the release of ubuntu 6.10 :-)
[12:56] <kkubasik> oo, my mirror is lagging
[12:56] <kkubasik> I was hoping to finish syncing the iso's before the official release annoucement
[12:56] <bhale> hello kkubasik
[12:56] <kkubasik> so I could serve them readily!
[12:56] <kkubasik> hey bhale, how's it goin?
[12:56] <bhale> good, you?
[12:56] <bhale> didnt get new beagle in
[12:57] <bhale> might be able to patch the rm thingy
[12:57] <bhale> in -updates
[12:57] <kkubasik> yeah, I actaully uploaded a package of it to REVU
[12:57] <bhale> but the original release notes didnt make it out to be a "major bug" or anything
[12:57] <bhale> and then i was traveling
[12:57] <kkubasik> yeah, its actually the next release that is gonna be incredable
[12:57] <bhale> well, little chance of that
[12:57] <kkubasik> like a 50-60% drop in memory usage
[12:58] <kkubasik> next couple of days
[12:58] <kkubasik> but yeah
[12:58] <bhale> thunderbird? :)
[12:58] <bhale> or across the board
[12:58] <kkubasik> yu[
[12:58] <kkubasik> across the board
[12:58] <bhale> hm
[12:58] <bhale> it might finally be suitable for on-by-default
[12:58] <kkubasik> like, crusing at about 30 megs right now
[12:58] <bhale> in that case
[12:58] <kkubasik> with a full blown 19 backends running
[12:58] <kkubasik> in debug mode
[12:58] <bhale> mine has been ~50mb with daemon and helper for a long tim
[12:59] <bhale> oh, running
[12:59] <kkubasik> (which was a major part of our memory usage
[12:59] <kkubasik> )
[12:59] <bhale> hm
[12:59] <kkubasik> we always ran in debug so stacktraces would be more useful, but we dropped a few megs just leaving out that one command line switch
[12:59] <bhale> oh
[01:00] <bhale> most people with real problems have >30gb home directories
[01:00] <bhale> mine is big but it is all music
[01:01] <kkubasik> yeah, im a nice test
[01:01] <kkubasik> about 25 gigs of source files
[01:01] <kkubasik> its sends beagle running
[01:01] <bhale> nice
[01:01] <ajmitch> kkubasik: btw updates to existing apps generally don't go on REVU
[01:02] <kkubasik> ooo, ok
[01:02] <bhale> well he sent me an email, a patch, etc
[01:02] <bhale> and I didnt respond
[01:02] <kkubasik> I'm like 3 hours new to this
[01:02] <bhale> so, my fault
[01:02] <bhale> was busy
[01:02] <kkubasik> so just lemme know what im supposed to do
[01:02] <ajmitch> bhale: I mean for things like gaim & vim which got stuck on revu
[01:02] <bhale> oh
[01:02] <ajmitch> which MOTUs won't care for anyway
[01:02] <bhale> yes, beagle too
[01:03] <kkubasik> :-/
[01:03] <kkubasik> sorry
[01:03] <bhale> kkubasik: there isnt really sponsorship for main
[01:03] <bhale> most people start off in universe and get promoted
[01:03] <ajmitch> well there is, in a sense
[01:03] <kkubasik> feel free to just archive them if need be
[01:03] <bhale> or have a dedicated sponsor
[01:03] <ajmitch> which is subscribing ubuntu-main-sponsors to bug reports
[01:03] <kkubasik> gotcha, its just odd for me, since im kinda a gnome dev
[01:04] <ajmitch> yeah, updates to stuff generally go as debdiffs on malone
[01:04] <kkubasik> so the apps I know my way around are mainline gnome
[01:04] <ajmitch> confusing, i know
[01:04] <kkubasik> alright, that's cool
[01:04] <kkubasik> well it makes sense from a bandwidth perspective
[01:05] <kkubasik> but the new packages I uploaded (tangerine and labyrinth)
[01:05] <kkubasik> they are ok for REVU?
[01:05] <ajmitch> and from the perspective of a package already being in generally has bug contacts or people to look at it on malone
[01:05] <ajmitch> you know that tangerine is being packaged in debian?
[01:05] <bhale> well, tangerine has a seperate problem
[01:05] <bhale> i put a package in debian pkg-mono svn some time ago
[01:05] <ajmitch> generally that upstream need educated about binaries
[01:05] <bhale> just that it violates policy
[01:05] <bhale> as it has dll's without source
[01:05] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:05] <kkubasik> yeah
[01:06] <phanatic> good afternoon
[01:06] <bhale> it should be fixed now, i slapped snorp around
[01:06] <ajmitch> so technically it'd be illegal for us to even distribute tangerine source from REVU
[01:06] <ajmitch> "fixed"
[01:06] <ajmitch> hah
[01:06] <ajmitch> fixed in what version?
[01:06] <bhale> i dont have the checkout on this box
[01:06] <ajmitch> right
[01:06] <bhale> this is laptop-testing-team
[01:06] <bhale> he told me it was fixed
[01:07] <kkubasik> tangerine 0.3 ships no binaries
[01:07] <ajmitch> kkubasik: you're wrong, sorry
[01:07] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/tangerine-0610260335/tangerine-0.3.0/deps/
[01:07] <bhale> heh.
[01:07] <ajmitch> Nini.dll
[01:07] <ajmitch> log4net.dll
[01:07] <bhale> we have nini and log4net
[01:07] <bhale> so easy enough to rm them in rules
[01:07] <kkubasik> ooo right
[01:07] <bhale> and -r:nini
[01:07] <bhale> or so
[01:07] <kkubasik> I was thinking they were shipping dapp-sharp as a binary
[01:07] <ajmitch> though they have to be removed in the orig.tar.gz instead
[01:08] <ajmitch> otherwise you get jumped on
[01:08] <kkubasik> (banshee almost did that)
[01:08] <bhale> banshee is shipping boo as a binary now
[01:08] <kkubasik> yeah
[01:08] <StevenK> Which means repacking the source tarball.
[01:08] <ajmitch> I'm getting bug reports in debian because a package I ship has .jar files in the source, which contain RFC docs under a 'non-free' license
[01:08] <kkubasik> oi, I never knew it was such a big deal
[01:08] <ajmitch> yes, it's a big deal
[01:09] <kkubasik> are any of you guys on gnome planet?
[01:09] <bhale> well the novell guys will jump up and down telling you how dumb it is
[01:09] <ajmitch> no
[01:09] <bhale> (aaron also checked xing into gnome cvs)
[01:09] <kkubasik> or feeling particularly like writeing in the gnome wiki?
[01:09] <kkubasik> just, there are a lot of guys like me that just are trying to get point a to point b
[01:09] <bhale> i could be on planet gnome, if they ever processed my account
[01:09] <kkubasik> and we don't get too involved in the middles
[01:09] <kkubasik> its all on ross
[01:10] <bhale> i am on step 6 or so
[01:10] <kkubasik> which sucks, because I he's getting his butt kicked
[01:10] <bhale> im on monologue
[01:10] <bhale> which is probably close to what you want anyway
[01:11] <bhale> closer*
[01:11] <kkubasik> I was just thinking, we don't hear much about that
[01:12] <bhale> but i talk to snorp, aaron, miguel every day
[01:12] <bhale> they are fully aware
[01:12] <kkubasik> a nice post might make us pay a little more attenetnion
[01:12] <kkubasik> haha
[01:12] <bhale> aaron continues to do it
[01:12] <bhale> to make up for SuSE having 3 packages
[01:12] <bhale> he puts the deps in binary form
[01:12] <kkubasik> well, the young impressionables such as myself, you can sway us easily
[01:13] <ajmitch> the rest we have to kick around
[01:13] <bhale> over and over
[01:13] <kkubasik> ok, here's my dilemma, that has nothing to do with what we were just takign about, but ill ask anyways
[01:13] <bhale> lewing and joe mostly get that there is more than one distro
[01:14] <kkubasik> I just upgraded my hosting plan, so I have 2tb a month
[01:14] <kkubasik> which scales upward 16gb/week
[01:14] <kkubasik> but, that growth is cumulative, so happy happy
[01:15] <kkubasik> anyways, I was gonna mirror one of the iso sites to help out with the rush the next few dats
[01:15] <bhale> you could seed the torrents
[01:15] <kkubasik> but I certainly can't afford to go over, is there that much traffic?
[01:15] <bhale> certainly is
[01:15] <bhale> but most people are likely to hit the main archive
[01:16] <bhale> i imagine
[01:16] <luisbg> what do you recon is better to upgrade to edgy... dist-upgrade or clean cd install? (i have my home in an other partition than root)
[01:16] <kkubasik> yeah, im sure that's pushing a good 400 p/s sustained
[01:16] <bhale> holy crap am I late
[01:16] <bhale> bye.
[01:16] <kkubasik> peace
[01:16] <ajmitch> bye
[01:18] <Nafallo> swedish mirror pushes 1.87Gbit :-)
[01:22] <kkubasik> yeah, the main archive is getting slammed, im gettign barely 600-700 okay
[01:32] <siretart> happy edgy day!
[01:34] <gnomefreak> happy start of feisty day?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> no, not yet
[01:34] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[01:34] <gnomefreak> congrats on edgy seems to have gone fairly smooth :)
[01:34] <luisbg> what's new in gnome 2.16? looking forward to it
[01:34] <siretart> I don't think feisty will open before next week earliest
[01:35] <ajmitch> maybe it'll start to open before MV, but we don't know
[01:35] <ajmitch> doko may have some toolchain stuff to upload
[01:35] <ajmitch> it won't be ready for general upload until after the toolchain settles at least
[01:36] <siretart> like in edgy. right
[01:36] <ajmitch> yep
[01:36] <ajmitch> but not as rough :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> unless they plan to get glibc2.5 in
[01:36] <zul> *whine* but i want it now
[01:36] <ajmitch> oh, and linux 2.6.19
[01:37] <ajmitch> which is probably sitting ready to upload
[01:37] <zul> actually -rc3 is probably sitting ready for upload
[01:37] <ajmitch> well yeah
[01:38] <ajmitch> let's turn selinux on by default with a narrow targetted policy & see what breaks :)
[01:38] <StevenK> ajmitch: Um, everything? :-P
[01:38] <ajmitch> StevenK: narrow policy, I said
[01:38] <ajmitch> StevenK: you know that etch is going to ship with selinux, right?
[01:39] <StevenK> I do now.
[01:39] <ajmitch> we didn't break the world with gcc's ssp
[01:39] <StevenK> Like I've been following Etch development.
[01:39] <ajmitch> heh
[01:39] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: We broke a fair bit of the world with it.
[01:40] <ajmitch> yes, but not *everything*
[01:40] <ajmitch> maybe 98% of packages weren't affected
[01:41] <ajmitch> there'll be opposition, of course
[02:00] <bhale> hi
[02:01] <ajmitch> hi
[02:11] <jsgotangco> yo!
[02:11] <bhale> hi
[02:16] <ajmitch> hello jsgotangco
[03:44] <StevenK> Hah
[04:41] <sivang> hi
[04:45] <tuxmaniac> yo yo yo
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat>  they /kicked everyone out of +1
[04:47] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:47] <StevenK> Which what message?
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> "edgy is out!!"
[04:47] <FunnyLookinHat> ; )
[04:47] <StevenK> Heh, nice.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: redirects.  that's what they've been doing since dapper was released, at least
[04:48] <elkbuntu> FunnyLookinHat, well of course we did
[04:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Hobbsee, I found it entertaining to see 200 kicks in a row in any case   : )
[04:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> FunnyLookinHat: /cs clear, i believve
[04:48] <Hobbsee> -v
[04:48] <FunnyLookinHat>  : )
[04:48] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, nobody around could do that until we found rob :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: heh
[04:51] <zul> so is there goign to be an #ubuntu+2
[04:52] <lupine_85> nah, it'll be #ubuntu+1
[04:52] <lupine_85> still not open though :'(
[04:52] <sladen> zul: edgy is out...
[04:53] <zul> sladen: really? i didnt know ;)
[04:53] <lupine_85> edgy++ :)
[04:55] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[04:56] <Gloubiboulga> hello Toadstool
[04:56] <Toadstool> hey Gloubiboulga
[04:57] <luisbg> can somebody re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?
[04:58] <luisbg> just registered and introduced my gpg key and ssh key
[04:58] <siretart> luisbg: just a sek
[05:00] <lupine_85> If I've got an update to a package in universe, do I upload it via. revu ?
[05:00] <lupine_85> it got through the review process, but is dying on ubuntu's build machines :(
[05:01] <luisbg> thanks siretart =)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> when are we unfreezing the repos?
[05:34] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: in some months :-)
[05:34] <Nafallo> LOL
[05:35] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:35] <Nafallo> a week or so I would guess :-)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[05:36] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:37] <zul> gnomefreak: everytime someone asks that question god kills a kittne
[05:37] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:41] <lophyte> ajmitch?
[05:47] <Nafallo> zul: ...and every 40 seconds someone kills him/herself.
[05:50] <imbrandon_> [10:00]  <lupine_85> If I've got an update to a package in universe, do I upload it via. revu ?  << normaly no, you attach a debdiff to a big ( or the bug it fixes ) and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors , REVU is for NEW packages to the archive mostly
[05:50] <imbrandon_> s/big/bug
[05:59] <lupine_85> imbrandon: ok, thanks :)
[06:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:47] <zul> congrats everyone btw
[07:16] <LaserJock> darn, day 3 of the department server being down
[07:16] <zul> day 3?!?!
[07:17] <zul> holy crap..
[07:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I really don't know what's going on
[07:17] <LaserJock> they said yesterday they were going to move mail and web to a whole different server
[07:18] <LaserJock> they got the web, but no email
[07:18] <zul> is this your it people and they dont have a backup?
[07:19] <LaserJock> this is our dept sysadmin and the Uni IT people
[07:19] <LaserJock> and they have backups
[07:19] <zul> ah..
[07:19] <LaserJock> but I think they were trying to "fix" the server
[07:19] <LaserJock> but I think they might be scrambling to replace it entirely
[07:19] <zul> heh...
[07:20] <LaserJock> we did a complete reinstallation of the server in a few hours
[07:20] <LaserJock> I don't understand what happened
[07:20] <LaserJock> the sysadmin said it was just a bad drive
[07:21] <LaserJock> I wonder if something deeper happened
[07:21] <zul> sounds like more than a bad drive
[07:22] <luisbg> sorry about that LaserJock :S
[07:27] <LaserJock> well, this email thing wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't forwarding all my Ubuntu emails there too
[07:27] <LaserJock> that server has pretty much all my email
[07:29] <luisbg> LaserJock, that sucks!
[07:39] <zul> LaserJock: im surprised there isnt rioting in the streets
[07:40] <LaserJock> well, they are mostly Windows users so they must be used to it ;-)
[07:42] <zul> lol
[07:43] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure how to set up mail on laserjock.us so I can move my @ubuntu.com there
[08:00] <ajmitch> morning all
[08:00] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[08:01] <zul> hey ajmitch
[08:22] <LaserJock> why hello there highvoltage, fancy seeing you here ;-)
[08:22] <highvoltage> mhuhahahahah
[08:29] <zul> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/613 <-- those dancers dont look african
[08:33] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:33] <LaserJock> zul: close enough ;-)
[08:33] <jsgotangco> they look maori
[08:33] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, what I said :)
[08:34] <trappist> I'm trying to build a package that requires me to run ./configure twice with the same options (to build a bundled package).  what's the best way to do that?
[08:35] <LaserJock> trappist: run ./configure twice?
[08:36] <trappist> LaserJock: is that a suggestion?
[08:36] <crimsun> no, that's what you'd do in debian/rules
[08:36] <LaserJock> or wait, you need to run ./configure and then make, and then ./configure again and then make again?
[08:36] <trappist> yeah I'm in debian/rules, where I don't usually manually run ./configure at all
[08:36] <trappist> LaserJock: just ./configure twice with the same options
[08:37] <LaserJock> then yeah, debian/rules is fine
[08:37] <crimsun> I'm pleased that my folks were able to painlessly dist-upgrade from hoary to edgy
[08:37] <trappist> LaserJock: yes, but what do I say in debian/rules to make that happen
[08:38] <ajmitch> crimsun: via breezy & dapper, or a straight dist-upgrade?
[08:38] <crimsun> ajmitch: incrementally
[08:38] <LaserJock> trappist: ./configure --<blah>
[08:39] <trappist> LaserJock: I don't normally say ./configure at all in debian/rules.  should I just forget all the stuff like DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS and say exactly what I'd do on the command line?
[08:39] <chillywilly> congrats on the release :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> trappist: I'm guessing that you're using cdbs
[08:40] <trappist> so far, yes, but I'm not committed
[08:41] <LaserJock> I"m not really sure about how it's done in CDBS although I'm pretty sure it can be done :-)
[08:49] <luisbg> once I have the .dsc ... how do I try to install it? (to check if it is working)
[08:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: multi-pass builds in cdbs are not pretty
[08:49] <ajmitch> luisbg: you need to build the source package (with pbuilder or similar)
[08:49] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I don't think it's multipass of the build rule
[08:50] <trappist> no, just of configure
[08:51] <ajmitch> that's... odd
[08:51] <luisbg> ajmitch, ok
[08:52] <trappist> ajmitch: it bundles pangoxsl in the source tarball and wants a separate ./configure for that.  or you could tell it to use an installed pangoxsl, but we don't package that and I can't think of a reason to outside this package (xmlroff)
[08:58] <ajmitch> trappist: ah I see
[08:58] <luisbg> how do I download the .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files? because apt-get source only gets one tar.gz and packages.ubuntu.com the same
[08:59] <ajmitch> so it's a separate configure, not running the same one
[08:59] <luisbg> sorry for the lame questions... I'm new :P
[08:59] <ajmitch> luisbg: if it's a native package, it won't have an orig.tar.gz & diff.gz
[08:59] <trappist> ajmitch: right
[08:59] <luisbg> ajmitch, I believe it comes from debian
[08:59] <sladen> luisbg: what is the package?
[08:59] <luisbg> subterfugue
[09:00] <luisbg> ooh, it looks like there are no diff and orig
[09:01] <sladen> correct, that is what ajmitch said 6 lines above.  If there it a native package, there is *just* the tarball and dsc
[09:01] <LaserJock> luisbg: sorry, I didn't realize it was a native package
[09:01] <luisbg> no problem
[09:01] <luisbg> after making the corrections... I run
[09:01] <luisbg> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[09:02] <luisbg> then -> sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[09:02] <luisbg> next?
[09:04] <lupine_85> ls
[09:17] <lupine_85> ok... like this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rutilt/+bug/68454 ?
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68454 in rutilt "rutilt_0.12-0ubuntu1 fails to build on Ubuntu's build servers..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:19] <lupine_85> !info rutilt
[09:19] <ubotu> Package rutilt does not exist in any distro I know
[09:23] <LaserJock> I HAVE MAIL!!
[09:23] <zul> you bastard
[09:24] <luisbg> LaserJock, congrats!
[09:25] <luisbg>  I'm getting this with the dpkg-build -> (WARNING: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file) ---- any clues?
[09:26] <lupine_85> luisbg: does it to me all the time so I manuallty debsign -k(key fingerprint)
[09:26] <LaserJock> hehe, the first thing I'm doing is tarring up all my mail and transferring it to this machine :-)
[09:32] <rgl> hello
[09:35] <LaserJock> hi rgl
[09:42] <LaserJock> hmm, it looks to me like Marks doesn't have to share a room
[09:43] <LaserJock> I guess those are the perks of being sabdfl
[09:43] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:51] <rgl> you guys known if someone has packaged apache 2.2?
[09:52] <ajmitch> yes
[09:52] <ajmitch> it's in debian, will be in feisty
[09:55] <zul> LaserJock: and he is allergic to shellfish
[09:56] <LaserJock> I'm glad to see Claire had time to update my info
[09:56] <LaserJock> I was worried I messed her up with changing everything around
[09:57] <zul> LaserJock: are you flying into sjo?
[09:57] <LaserJock> heh, no. I'm driving my minivan :-)
[09:57] <zul> ah
[09:57] <LaserJock> you guys will get to seem my geekyness
[09:57] <rgl_> ajmitch, I see thx :D
[09:58] <LaserJock> ogra drove a porsche to Paris, I get to drive a minivan to Mountain View ;-)
[09:58] <zul> heh
[09:59] <LaserJock> although I will keep my pants on :-)
[09:59] <zul> good to know
[10:00] <LaserJock> yes, my legs don't look nearly as good as oliver's ;p
[10:01] <zul> i still dont want to see you with your pants off :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> BAD IMAGES
[10:02] <ajmitch> make it stop
[10:03] <LaserJock> I should have taken a picture
[10:03] <ajmitch> I'm glad you didn;t
[10:03] <LaserJock> but highvoltage and I were in too much shock at the time
[10:03] <zul> LaserJock: we would be too so keep them off
[10:03] <zul> er..on
[10:03] <highvoltage> we were just laughing, thought it was funny
[10:03] <highvoltage> but it seems like it is normal in Europe :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> what's a Linux conference without a streaker?
[10:04] <sivang> re all
[10:04] <sivang> planning the conference eh?
[10:14] <lupine_85> mmmm streaker
[11:14] <LaserJock> heh
[11:14] <LaserJock> I just talked to my boss
[11:15] <LaserJock> he described the server problem as a "complete serve meltdown"
[11:41] <luisbg> LaserJock, ouch
[11:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:41] <luisbg> "meltdown"?
[11:41] <LaserJock> I think they had to scrape the machine and restore for a backup
[11:41] <LaserJock> *scrap
[11:41] <luisbg> how big of a machine?
[11:42] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure
[11:42] <LaserJock> it's served a department of >100 users
[11:43] <luisbg> well... if it's built and programmed for it, it should handle it
[11:43] <luisbg> what OS did it run?
[11:44] <jabra> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes doesn't have the release notes yet
[11:44] <jabra> just fyi
[11:44] <LaserJock> luisbg: I think it was running Suse
[11:44] <ajmitch> nice drive-by, in entirely the wrong channel
[11:44] <LaserJock> luisbg: it was a decent server I think
[11:44] <luisbg> damn germans (just kidding, suse is cool)
[11:45] <luisbg> ajmitch, yeah... that's the digital version of a shoot and run
[11:47] <luisbg> can somebody suggest me a package that is pretty up to date and depends on python?
[11:48] <luisbg> some very used big software that is done in python (azureus doesn't count)
[11:48] <ajmitch> you want large? zope :)
[11:48] <ajmitch> what 'big' software do you want?
[11:49] <luisbg> ajmitch, zope will work
[11:49] <luisbg> just want to check how the version of python is handled in the control file
[11:49] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:49] <ajmitch> zope is special
[11:49] <ajmitch> just lookup the debian python policy
[11:50] <ajmitch> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[11:50] <luisbg> that was exactly what I was looking for =)
[11:50] <luisbg> thanks ajmitch
[11:50] <luisbg> I must say... I have participated in a few free software community
[11:51] <luisbg> but this one beats them all in helpfullness in the irc channel
[12:05] <luisbg> why is it that when I dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot I get... "(WARNING: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file)"?
[12:05] <fbond> luisbg, because the packages are created by someone else, and you don't have that person's PGP private key
[12:05] <fbond> that is normal; there is no reason for you to have his key
[12:06] <luisbg> so the package can be uploaded even though that warning appears?
[12:06] <fbond> is it your package?
[12:06] <luisbg> no... just fixing a bug
[12:07] <fbond> If you are fixing a bug, you needn't upload the package to REVU, I think?  Perhaps a MOTU can assist.  I thought you just upload a debdiff to launchpad ...
[12:08] <ajmitch> yes, uploading a debdiff by attaching it to a bug is preferred
[12:08] <luisbg> ok ok, haven't got there yet, was just checking the package works
[12:08] <LaserJock> but the question remains
[12:08] <LaserJock> did you add a new changelog entry?
[12:08] <luisbg> so... now that you mention it... how do I do the debdiff... as normal diffs?
[12:09] <luisbg> LaserJock, did I or should I?
[12:09] <ajmitch> debdiff package1.dsc package2.dsc
[12:09] <ajmitch> you should
[12:09] <LaserJock> luisbg: did you, because you should :-)
[12:09] <luisbg> I did
[12:09] <ajmitch> s/should/must/
[12:09] <fbond> LaserJock, does dpkg-buildpackage sign the package with the key of the most recent changelog, or with the maintainer's key?
[12:09] <luisbg> LOL
[12:09] <LaserJock> fbond: most recent changelog entry
[12:09] <fbond> ah, then the key error should not be happening if that is correctg
[12:10] <LaserJock> the person that makes the changes should be the one signing it
[12:10] <luisbg> should I move up one number in the version at the changelog since I'm adding a new entry?
[12:10] <LaserJock> luisbg: yes
[12:10] <luisbg> LaserJock, ok
[12:10] <superm1> yes.  make sure that its an ubuntu version bump though.  if this package didn't have any ubuntu changes before, append an ubuntu1
[12:10] <Amaranth> imbrandon: So art.ubuntu.com is just gallery 2?
[12:10] <fbond> luisbg: to avoid the key error, you should have a valid GPG key associated with the email you are putting in the changelog line
[12:11] <imbrandon_> Amaranth: plus a few hacks
[12:11] <luisbg> fbond, I do
[12:11] <Amaranth> imbrandon_: I don't think it'll handle the load
[12:11] <luisbg> fbond, I even have that gpg key in my launchpad account already