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[02:31] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:33] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[02:33] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[02:33] <sbalneav> How's it goin?
[02:34] <sbalneav> Hey! We get to handle dinner ourselves down in MV!
[02:34] <sbalneav> You know what that means!
[02:34] <Burgwork> brazillian?
[02:34] <BonBonTheJon_> ping nixternal
[02:35] <sbalneav> "Do what we do, say what we say"
[02:36] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:36] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: hahaha
[02:37] <jsgotangco> that is so parisian
[02:40] <LaserJock> sbalneav: heck yeah
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[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, you about?
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[03:28] <dibblego> what's the difference between the live CD and the install CD? is it just that the live CD has the added bonus of allowing you to boot and use it?
[03:29] <crimsun> that's one feature.
[03:29] <crimsun> the install (alternate, text-based) image tends to be "more" fail-safe in my experience.
[03:30] <dibblego> so in theory, the live CD is everything the install CD is?
[03:30] <dibblego> but perhaps with a couple of unforeseen problems uin your experience
[03:30] <crimsun> not quite "everything," no
[03:31] <dibblego> what isn't it?
[03:31] <crimsun> the desktop/live cd installer doesn't permit you to install just the minimum required packages
[03:32] <dibblego> ah ok thanks
[03:32] <crimsun> I recommend trying the desktop/live cd first
[03:33] <dibblego> I have edubuntu 6.06 at home
[03:33] <dibblego> my 5 year old loves it
[03:33] <dibblego> figure I should get 6.10 - setting it up for my 3 year old
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[04:20] <nixternal> BonBonTheJon_: pong
[04:20] <BonBonTheJon_> nixternal: did you get my pastebin the other day
[04:20] <nixternal> what was it?
[04:21] <nixternal> i get about 100 pastebins a day
[04:21] <BonBonTheJon_> nixternal: Concepts:Networks and Networking for the handbook
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[04:22] <nixternal> don't think i seen that one
[04:22] <nixternal> are you done with it?
[04:22] <BonBonTheJon_> nixternal: for the most part, wanted to know if you could suggest anything
[04:23] <nixternal> you can email it to me if you would like...i need to work on a couple of presentations here before i crash for the evening
[04:23] <BonBonTheJon_> nixternal: ok
[04:23] <nixternal> nixternal@ubuntu.com
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[05:22] <Meshezabeel> where do I find the updates that are new to 6.10 that weren't in 6.06?
[05:26] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think there is a specific list of all the changes
[05:26] <LaserJock> distrowatch might have the main stuff
[05:26] <Burgundavia> the marketing team didn't do a changed page
[05:26] <Burgundavia> we need one
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[05:37] <Meshezabeel> k thanks
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[05:43] <Meshezabeel> anyone know how to run an installer using sudo in gdm (rather than in terminal)?
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[05:47] <bimberi> Meshezabeel: in gdm? the login screen?
[05:49] <Meshezabeel> sorry, I mean once logged in the gui
[05:50] <bimberi> Meshezabeel: ah, Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
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[05:51] <Meshezabeel> sorry, didn't explain myself well, I want to be able to install in the gui, without using the terminal/console (text screen)
[05:52] <jsgmobile> Use synaptic
[05:52] <Meshezabeel> I know in the terminal you can use the sudo command, but what about just in the gui environment
[05:52] <Meshezabeel> synaptic might not have all installers available
[05:53] <jsgmobile> Use synaptic or g-a-i
[05:53] <jsgmobile> What are you unstalling anyway
[05:53] <jsgmobile> And what do you mean by installer
[05:54] <Meshezabeel> like a flash plugin installer for firefox
[05:54] <jsgmobile> You can grab that on synaptic
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[05:54] <jsgmobile> Flashplugin-nonfree or something
[05:55] <Meshezabeel> ok, tx
[05:56] <jsgmobile> It basically grabs flash from adobe so its pretty much the same software when you install it from a tgz
[05:57] <Meshezabeel> ah ok
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[05:57] <jsgmobile> Ouch
[05:57] <jsgmobile> Thats why i just use irssi
[05:58] <bimberi> yes, i might have to switch :)
[05:58] <bimberi> you're mobile!
[05:58] <Meshezabeel> better than gaim?
[05:58] <jsgmobile> Heheeh im in my phone atm
[05:59] <bimberi> Meshezabeel: i prefer xchat(-gnome) as a gui client to gaim.  irssi is text based - and excellent
[05:59] <bimberi> jsgmobile: ah - showoff ;p
[06:00] <jsgmobile> xchat-gnome has good integration with the desktop though thats why some like it
[06:00] <bimberi> yes, it clicking links works very well and it also offers reverse searching
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[08:26] <RichEd> hello
[08:29] <lotusleaf> hello
[08:30] <Burgundavia> hey RichEd
[08:30] <RichEd> hey Burgundavia 
[08:30] <Burgundavia> does willvdl still work for canonical? has he gone back the foundation
[08:30] <Burgundavia> ?
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[08:31] <willvdl> Burgundavia, still here :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> willvdl: ah, didn't see your nick
[08:32] <RichEd> Burgundavia: willvdl is on a 12 month contract for canonical ... Technical representative for Canoncial in the HP Consortium for on the NEPAD eSchools Project for Africa & Africa new business
[08:32] <Burgundavia> right
[08:38] <jsgotangco> yo!
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[08:51] <jsgmobile> Ahhh i didnt notice it but my hostname is now edubuntu at last
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[09:31] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:31] <jsgotangco> does anyone have the old blackboard background we had in edgy
[09:32] <jsgotangco> please let me have it my eyes are burning already with this clash in contrast in the default background
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[09:57] <jsgotangco> huh? why does gcompris create a 5.4MB crash report
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[10:24] <stgraber> good morning
[10:25] <stgraber> I was wondering if someone wrote a spec for the student-control-panel to include a vnc client/server infrastructure like the one we can found in some software like NetOP School or Mastereye ?
[10:26] <stgraber> For exemple, being able to watch all screens of a classroom, make all the screens show your own screen (demo mode)
[10:26] <stgraber> Lock the screens, ...
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[10:27] <stgraber> It's something which would be really appreciated here in Switzerland (the only thing really missing between Linux and Windows desktops)
[10:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> stgraber, i was thinking about that vnc like thing thismorning actually
[10:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> i agree - would be sweet to have (esp. for desktop support)
[10:33] <stgraber> I'll check if there is a spec for UDS MTV, if not, I will try to write one
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> stgraber, link me if you find one /write one
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[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> catch you later mate :)
[10:33] <stgraber> c u
[10:42] <stgraber> Kamping_Kaiser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelSpec
[10:42] <stgraber> for the spec : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelSpe
[10:43] <stgraber> for the spec : https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-upgrade
[10:43] <stgraber> better :)
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[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> stgraber, thanks :) *flys out door*
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[10:56] <pips1> hi
[10:56] <stgraber> hi
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[11:02] <cbx33> Goooooooooood Morning all
[11:02] <cbx33> hey RichEd 
[11:02] <cbx33> good luck
[11:02] <RichEd> gun tag herr cbx33
[11:02] <RichEd> auw weidersein
[11:02] <RichEd> *auf
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[11:02] <cbx33> heh
[11:05] <pips1> hey cbx33, congrats for edgy to you too :)
[11:06] <cbx33> congrats pips1 and everyone
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[11:49] <Dheeraj_k>  Kids say "Thank you (Ed)Ubuntu Team" http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39611
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[02:12] <cliebow> stgraber: in classic ltsp ting over of classroom desktops is goable with my old Teach2.py..or with robarks new ftltk teachertool
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[03:05] <lguerra> hi all
[03:08] <ulinskie> hi lguerra
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[03:24] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:24] <pips1> hey bddebian
[03:25] <bddebian> Hello pips1
[03:25] <ulinskie> hi pips1 and bddebian
[03:25] <bddebian> Hello ulinskie
[03:25] <pips1> hi ulinskie
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[04:17] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:17] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[04:18] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[04:19] <sbalneav> What's the "proper" way to replace Evolution with Thunderbird.
[04:19] <sbalneav> I'm going all ubuntu, and replacing icewm with gnome.
[04:19] <sbalneav> But, we use Tbird for mail
[04:19] <sbalneav> and I don't want to have to go to 160+ users prefs and switch them from evo to tbird.
[04:20] <sbalneav> What's the "proper" way to do it.
[04:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: apt-get remove evolution ; apt-get install thunderbird?
[04:21] <ogra> yeah, just install TB
[04:21] <ogra> it should automatically become the default mailer
[04:21] <sbalneav> I can remove evo without it wanting to remove ubuntu-desktop? :)
[04:21] <ogra> but note that cool stuff like the appointment calendar only works with evo
[04:22] <ogra> not sure
[04:22] <sbalneav> Thats fine, we've got a web-based appointment calendar we use.
[04:22] <ogra> we switched a lot of packages to be recommends instead of dependencies
[04:22] <ogra> but i'm not sure evo is in that list
[04:22] <sbalneav> ok
[04:22] <sbalneav> I'll play around
[04:22] <ogra> well, you could use the web based calendar with evo ;)
[04:22] <sbalneav> how's post-release day?
[04:23] <ogra> relaxed
[04:23] <sbalneav> no major headaches?
[04:23] <ogra> i'm sitting on my specs and think about them ... every hour i go to the garage for 20 min and do something on the car .... 
[04:23] <ogra> no
[04:23] <ogra> not at all :)
[04:23] <sbalneav> \o/ for us!
[04:24] <ogra> i have a handfull of updates but dont want to bother with them now ...
[04:24] <pips1> good to hear this :-)
[04:24] <ogra> i.e. the firefox homepage title is broken 
[04:24] <ogra> things like that
[04:24] <ogra> nothing spectacular
[04:25] <sbalneav> I just discovered the gnome deskbar
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[04:25] <sbalneav> and it is THE AWESOME
=== ogra never tried deskbar
[04:25] <highvoltage> sbalneav: FTW!
[04:25] <highvoltage> :)
[04:26] <pips1> ogra: If i install a second NIC after a dist-upgrade from dapper -> edgy, how will i get the system reconfigured to use that second NIC, rather than just the one?
[04:26] <sbalneav> A quick and dirty edit of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:26] <pips1> can I run dpkg-reconfigure something ?
[04:26] <ogra> in /etc/netwrok7interfaces 
[04:27] <sbalneav> Or, use the gui configurator.
[04:27] <pips1> gui configurator, huh, what?
[04:27] <pips1> you are pulling my leg
[04:27] <sbalneav> For the network card
[04:27] <ogra> System->Administration->Network 
[04:27] <sbalneav> administration->network
[04:27] <sbalneav> ogra types faster
[04:28] <ogra> heh, i just started earlier :)
[04:28] <pips1> you were guessing my next question.. :-P
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[04:29] <pips1> ok, thanks fellas
[04:30] <sbalneav> ogra: You know, it would be pretty flipping easy to write a quick-n-dirty script or interface that you just say which interface is the ltsp one, and it auto-gens the dhcpd.conf file :)
[04:30] <ogra> sbalneav, yes, but the dhcpd.conf file is a conffile
[04:30] <ogra> it will give you questions on upgrades we want to avoid
[04:30] <sbalneav> ah
[04:31] <sbalneav> debian-policy thingy
[04:31] <ogra> additionally its a file an admin can edit ... they would get angry with you if you rewrite their custom setup
[04:31] <sbalneav> Yes, true
[04:32] <ogra> what we can (and likely will) do is that the installer part will rewrite it if the first interface already owns 192.168.0.X
[04:32] <sbalneav> One of the biggest headaches we have in #ltsp is, as you know, stepping people through dhcpd.conf goofups though.
[04:32] <ogra> durin a fresh install thats possible ...
[04:32] <sbalneav> Hmmm
[04:32] <ogra> yeah
[04:32] <sbalneav> I just had a brain wave
[04:33] <sbalneav> There's a rom-o-matic, right?  What about a dhcpd.conf-o-matic.  Answer some simple questions, plug in a few values on a web form, and is displays a dhcpd.conf file that you can copy and paste!
[04:34] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wow, that's a cool idea :)
[04:34] <ogra> thats what ltsp-manager should do at some point 
[04:34] <ogra> in fact the basic dhcp handling is in place there
[04:35] <ogra> the package in universe currently has a bug that prevents it from starting ... 
[04:35] <sbalneav> Hmm, I looked at the ltsp-manager a while ago.
[04:35] <sbalneav> I should pick it up again.
[04:35] <ogra> yeah, test out the dhcpd stuff
[04:35] <sbalneav> ok
[04:35] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it causes our helpdesk pain too... especially when someone left out a ; or put in one too many or little curly braces
[04:35] <ogra> you need to change one line in the /usr/bin/ltsp-manager script to make it start
[04:36] <sbalneav> We probably spend 50% of our time in #ltsp on dhcpd and tftp related questions.
[04:36] <ogra> change: self.wTree=gtk.glade.XML ("./ltsp-manager.glade")  -> self.wTree=gtk.glade.XML ("/usr/share/ltsp-manager/ltsp-manager.glade")
[04:37] <ogra> well, for a running setup you only need a subnet declartation, filename and root-path set
[04:37] <ogra> at the point where you want to start complicated setups that need more you should really understand the file content
[04:39] <sbalneav> gksu ltsp-manager?
[04:39] <ogra> gksudo
[04:39] <ogra> or just sudo
[04:39] <sbalneav> While we're down in SF, you gotta show me how this glade+python stuff works
[04:39] <ogra> oki :)
[04:40] <ogra> eric clearly expressed interest in ltsp-manager development for MV btw
[04:40] <sbalneav> BTW, you and I will be rooming together for the ltsp part.  I don't mind a smoking room, so we'll get that.
[04:41] <stgraber> ogra: I just read this : https://wiki.edubuntu.org/StudentControlPanelCompletion, everything I was looking for is in the list except a small thing, here the software used by the teachers (NetOP school or Mastereye) also has a chat system you can use to talk with a specific student or a list of them (and they can't close the chat window). There is also a possibility to request help from the teacher by clicking on a tryicon.
[04:41] <stgraber> uhm, a bit too long :)
[04:43] <ogra> well, we can implement such stuff indeed :)
[04:43] <pips1> stgraber: why don't you add that as a comment on the wiki page of the spec?
[04:43] <ogra> right
[04:43] <ogra> but not at StudentControlPanelCompletion
[04:44] <ogra> that was the edgy spec, there is a new one somewhere
[04:44] <jsgotangco> hmm i just want to ask something
[04:44] <jsgotangco> why is scp installed on a desktop install
[04:44] <jsgotangco> ;)
[04:44] <pips1> ha
[04:45] <ogra> jsgotangco, bug :/
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[04:45] <ogra> its in the wrong seed ... it will move to -server in feisty ...
[04:46] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:46] <ogra> jsgotangco, i totally dont acceptr any complaint about the wallpaper, we had it in for two months before release ... nobody complained until yesterday ...
[04:47] <ogra> suddely all people seem to find it too bright ...
[04:47] <jsgotangco> well sorry about not complaining earlier...but yeah its too bright
[04:47] <jsgotangco> it doesn't fit to the theme either
[04:47] <ogra> huh ? 
[04:47] <ogra> why that ? 
[04:48] <ogra> red and yellow dont fit ? 
[04:48] <jsgotangco> i mean the contrast is too much to appreciate
[04:48] <jsgotangco> on my side though
[04:48] <pips1> Fetching file 616 of 1009 at 51.6 k/s
[04:48] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: Just do what I do: I bought a subscription to digitalblasphemy.com.  TONS of great wallpapers there.
[04:48] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:49] <pips1> *click*
[04:49] <sbalneav> Plus, I have about 4 gigs of saved wallpapers over the years, and I've written a python+gtk walllpaper switcher that changes my gnome wallpaper every half hour.
[04:49] <pips1> LOL
[04:50] <sbalneav> I can go for DAYS without a repeat :)
[04:50] <sbalneav> That's a feature that gnome needs, imho: a built in wallpaper cycler.
[04:51] <pips1> they are all cgi..!
[04:52] <pips1> I meant 3d renderings
[04:53] <pips1> pretty amazing stuff
[04:53] <nixternal> moins
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[04:55] <pips1> hey nixternal sbalneav, any thoughts on what to do with the ltsp doc bits?
[04:55] <nixternal> rm -rf?
[04:55] <nixternal> ;)
[04:55] <pips1> heh
[04:55] <sbalneav> What, they're that bad?
[04:55] <nixternal> hehe
[04:55] <nixternal> how can they be bad? they are the only thing in the handbook pretty much ;)
[04:56] <nixternal> sbalneav: if i could suggest, run the validate script in the root directory when you make changes...i fixed the validations changes, which weren't all that difficult truthfully
[04:56] <pips1> do they live in the svn repo only? or are the available online somewhere (as html)?
[04:56] <nixternal> there was a long <listitem>blah</listitem> list you had
[04:56] <nixternal> should be    <listitem><para>blah</para></listitem>
[04:57] <nixternal> other than that, your structure is good
[04:57] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[04:57] <nixternal> sh validate edubuntu/handbook/C/handbook.xml
[04:58] <nixternal> you run the validate.sh script against the handbook.xml and that will tell you the errors you have...it is retardedly difficult because the way I structured the handbook.xml file...it makes it look like the handbook.xml is the issue
[04:58] <nixternal> i need to figure out a good way to fix that
[04:59] <sbalneav> I could, though, just run it against a file I changed?
[04:59] <nixternal> nope, the validate script works against the main file, which in this case is the handbook.xml file..that validates the entire directory
[05:00] <nixternal> because i used the xml validation against the file itself, and it said it was perfect, there was no issues..which in all reality there wasn't...the validate.sh validates the docbook dtd and not just the xml
[05:01] <sbalneav> ah, that was my problem then.
[05:01] <sbalneav> I WAS running it against files when I changed them, and it was oK
[05:01] <sbalneav> so foo on me.
[05:02] <nixternal> hehe
[05:07] <sbalneav> brb
[05:11] <jsgotangco> we'll make a more complex script for feisty
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[05:19] <jsgotangco> nixternal: the thing is that validation script hasn't evolved much after some of us became inactive for a while
[05:19] <nixternal> no it hasn't, but it is the "industry" way of doing it though..that script is nothing but a common command for xml validation
[05:19] <nixternal> i shouldn't say the "industry" way
[05:19] <nixternal> but the "common" way
[05:19] <jsgotangco> its not
[05:19] <jsgotangco> well not really
[05:20] <jsgotangco> its our custom script
[05:20] <jsgotangco> ;)
[05:20] <nixternal> there are much more detailed scripts
[05:20] <nixternal> xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid $1
[05:20] <nixternal> thats all the script is
[05:21] <jsgotangco> there no need much for another one because our xml is quite limited with what yelp can offer in the gnome side of things
[05:21] <jsgotangco> i dunno about khelpcenter
[05:21] <nixternal> i was wondering about that
[05:21] <nixternal> khelpcenter == html
[05:22] <jsgotangco> kde has its own mad stylesheets
[05:22] <nixternal> yes, and they will become "KUbuntu" stylesheet for Feisty
[05:23] <nixternal> we are going to redesign them
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[06:00] <sbalneav> Writing deskbar plugins in python == fun
[06:00] <ogra> sbalneav, for localapps
[06:00] <ogra> we should have a transparency layer for the dektop
[06:00] <sbalneav> yeah
[06:00] <sbalneav> That's gonna get REAL ugly REAL fast :(
[06:00] <ogra> we should talk to LaserJock about the menu stuff
[06:01] <ogra> and have an override file for defined apps that run local  ... so we can provide .dewsktop files that override the ones that start the apps on the server
[06:02] <ogra> we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server
[06:02] <sbalneav> right.
[06:10] <highvoltage> ogra: congratulations. even Mr CatherineCapers seem quite pleased with edgy
[06:11] <pips1> highvoltage: ?
[06:11] <highvoltage> pips1: tell you later, got to run...
[06:11] <pips1> cu
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[08:10] <sbalneav> Does anyone know of a nice, simple, pastebin software that I can host?  The fellow who hosted the ltsp pastebin has gone dark.
[08:12] <Rondom> sbalneav: pastebin.com
[08:12] <Burgwork> sbalneav: just use pastebin.ca
[08:12] <Burgwork> or .nl
[08:13] <Rondom> http://rafb.net/paste
[08:13] <bronze> pastebin.ca is good.
[08:14] <sbalneav> Can't see the "download" link for either one of those.
[08:15] <sbalneav> Those are just hosted sites, and they don't post a link back into the irc channel.
[08:15] <sbalneav> I'd like actual software, that I can host.
[08:17] <Rondom> sbalneav: pastebin.com
[08:20] <PeBe> have some troubles booting my thin clients after upgrading to 6.10
[08:20] <PeBe> got this message on my clients: PXE-T01: File Not Found
[08:21] <PeBe> any suggestions?
[08:21] <sbalneav> Rondom: I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing on that site where he's got the source for download?
[08:21] <Rondom> sbalneav: there is
[08:22] <sbalneav> PeBe: You might need to do an ltsp-update-kernels
[08:22] <PeBe> tnx, I'll try that, and see what'll happen 
[08:22] <Rondom> sbalneav: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.tar.gz
[08:23] <sbalneav> Rondom: Thanks
[08:26] <PeBe> do I need a reboot/restart after ltsp-update-kernels?
[08:32] <sbalneav> Shouldn't need to 
[08:32] <PeBe> it's still the same problem..
[08:32] <sbalneav> ok
[08:32] <PeBe> when I upgraded i said yes to replace the conf-files 
[08:33] <sbalneav> can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebin?
[08:33] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[08:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:33] <PeBe> since I've used a pretty much standard installation the first when installing 6.06
[08:34] <PeBe> guess maybe the problem could be there..
[08:36] <sbalneav> Have you pasted the dhcpd.conf file?
[08:38] <PeBe> it was also replaced
[08:38] <PeBe> but the clients to get at ip-adress
[08:39] <PeBe> authoritative;
[08:39] <PeBe> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[08:40] <PeBe>   range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
[08:40] <PeBe>   option domain-name "example.com";
[08:40] <PeBe>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;
[08:40] <PeBe>   option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
[08:40] <PeBe>   option routers 192.168.0.1;
[08:40] <PeBe>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[08:40] <PeBe>   if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
[08:40] <PeBe>     filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
[08:40] <PeBe>   }
[08:40] <PeBe>   else{
[08:40] <PeBe>     filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
[08:40] <PeBe>   }
[08:40] <PeBe>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[08:40] <PeBe> }
[08:40] <sbalneav> You didn't read the pastebin part
[08:40] <sbalneav> at anry rate.
[08:41] <sbalneav> what's in /var/lib/tftpboot?
[08:43] <PeBe> sorry - didn't see your pastebin comment
[08:44] <PeBe> it's a file there called "pxelinux.0" but says it's modified sunday, so seems that it has not been updated
[08:50] <PeBe> when I follow the edubuntu cookbook: "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" and run "apt-get update" it failes to download the index files
[08:51] <PeBe> guess this will mean that i cannot run "ltsp-update-kernels" properly either
[08:55] <sbalneav> I'd say your best bet at this point is to rebuild the chroot
[08:55] <sbalneav> mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.old
[08:56] <sbalneav> ltsp-build-client
[08:56] <sbalneav> that should clean it up.
[08:57] <PeBe> I'll try that
[08:57] <PeBe> tnx - hope it'll work :)
[08:59] <sbalneav> It should, that will rebuild the chroot from scratch, which I know works.
[08:59] <PeBe> running the commands now..
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[09:07] <cbx33> hey peeps
[09:07] <cbx33> how are we all
[09:10] <sbalneav> We are ok
[09:10] <sbalneav> We are legion
[09:11] <cbx33> heheh
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[09:44] <cberl1> Hi folks.  Just finished an upgrade of a test box to Edgy -- so far, looks quite nice.  A couple things seem to have broken, though.  DHCP changed, temporarily disabling TFTP boot -- fixed that easy enough by changing the file option to point to where the pxelinux.0 file actually resides.  Updating the LTSP-client chroot, however, keeps getting stuck trying to install the newer kernel.  I get the message:  Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation t
[09:45] <cberl1> Any assistance with this, short of blowing away the old chroot and rebuilding?
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[09:47] <sbalneav> cberl1: That's probably the best approach
[09:48] <cberl1> sbalneav: Okay.  I was guessing as much, but for some reason my connection to any server has been really slow the past couple of days, so that's a fairly "painful" operation.  But I will do what I need -- it's only a test box for now.  I'd like to see the effects before I migrate my production box.
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[11:42] <PeBe> hi folks
[11:42] <PeBe> had some trouble after upgrading to 6.10
[11:43] <pygi> shoot ^_^
[11:43] <PeBe> now the clients will finally boot from PXE again, but I get a "permission denied" when they try to mount to /opt/ltsp/i386 on the server
[11:44] <PeBe> so the whole mounting fail and the clients stops 
[11:45] <PeBe> any suggestions?
[11:46] <pygi> dunno, chmod to right permissions? :)
[11:47] <PeBe> and what should that permission be?
[11:47] <PeBe> I didn't need to do anything with this before I ran into the trouble after upgrading
[11:50] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> havec you checked nfs is running?
[12:03] <PeBe> how do I do that?
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> open a terminal, and type 'ps aux |grep nfs'
[12:04] <PeBe> nsfd is running
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> well thats what should be
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> and check tftp is tehre ps aux |grep ftp
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[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> (if you need to start the services sudo /etc/init.d/servicename restart)
[12:10] <PeBe> tnx, will try that