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shadowhywindblink12:12
kleptoanyone notice that firefox 2.0 and mplayerplug-in don't play nice?12:12
morghanphoenixlol, I keep hitting F12 to bring up my console.12:12
TheGateKeepercellofellow: some googling sounds like it may be in order before you make a final decision12:13
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kleptoyakuake is nice12:13
h3sp4wncellofellow: And an nvidia chipset core 2 board - would have less potential issues than the current brand new intel chipset12:13
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tapasah, it;s console-setup now12:13
morghanphoenixThen wondering what's wrong with yakuake because it's not coming up on the windows box.12:13
freechelmiHi all , sorry if this has been already asked12:14
freechelmiBut sn't adept_updater should12:14
freechelmitelle me that there is a new realease of ubuntu12:14
freechelmiand then suggest me the upgrade12:14
freechelmi?12:14
h3sp4wnfreechelmi: try upgrading with upgrade-manager12:14
h3sp4wn!upgrade-manager12:15
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morghanphoenixSo is edgy compatable with all of my packages from dapper?12:15
h3sp4wn(or whatever its called)12:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about upgrade-manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:15
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BluesKaj!cups12:15
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows12:15
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freechelmiupgrade-manager ?12:15
cellofellow!adept_update12:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adept_update - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:15
hazard2!explode12:16
h3sp4wndoing a dist-upgrade with adept I would consider very foolish12:16
freechelmiweird that the update_manager ( gnome) , is suppose to tell to upgrade12:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about explode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:16
hazard2Darn...12:16
cellofellowwhat's the command for searching ubotu? he can search himself for things that include the search string.12:16
freechelmiI've done it on gnome last time , and it worked12:16
cellofellowis Hawkwind here?12:16
cellofellowhe's know12:16
NapaIf i want to download something .. and Ubuntu / kubuntu is not listed .. but redhat/suse/debian/mandrake/source etc are listet .. wich should I choose ?12:17
freechelmibut this time none of gnome or kde tools tell there is an upgrade12:17
lupine_laptopubotu, search kde12:17
ubotuFound: latestkde,latest kde,code,appsy,tar,koffice,kde,burners,kde 4,apt12:17
h3sp4wnfreechelmi: use the same thing (adept sucks to much to do that even remotely reliably)12:17
lupine_laptopthat works12:17
cellofellowubotu, search adept12:17
freechelmiok I ll do it by hand then , CLI ,, thanks12:17
ubotuFound: packages,deborphan,adept,apt,adept-crash-fix,adept crash fix12:17
h3sp4wnNapa: use the debian source12:17
solemnwarningSince upgrading to 6.10 whenever I try to do anything with my wifi card I get this error:12:17
solemnwarningwifi0: unknown hardware address type 80112:18
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h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: to be expected12:18
solemnwarningIt's an orinoco gold with an atheros chipset12:18
solemnwarningWhy?12:18
hazard2801 as in 801b/g/c/defg?12:18
solemnwarningJust 80112:18
solemnwarningThats all it says12:18
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: happens on any reasonably new wifi chipset12:18
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hazard2ok\12:19
solemnwarningh3sp4wn: I've been using it for over a year...12:19
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: i.e svn rt2xx / madwifi-ng12:19
solemnwarningEven under Debian ffs12:19
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cellofellowhazard2: 801.* is ethernet, 802.11* is wireless ethernet.12:19
solemnwarningIt's only broken in this version12:19
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: Its not broken12:19
solemnwarningSo why won't it connect?12:19
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: Doesn't affect fuctionality in anyway (infact you get more)12:19
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hazard2I thought there was something wrong with my logic there.12:20
zmeunegrusal12:20
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: That is not to do with why it won't work (wifi0 is the master interface you create ath0 ath1 from that)12:20
solemnwarningShould I reboot and try with the non-broken kernel?12:20
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lupine_laptopwlandev create, am I righ?12:20
lupine_laptopright*12:21
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solemnwarningThat error comes from ifup/down ath012:21
silvaniahow can i restart OSS?12:21
_andihi folks, does anybody now about a possibility to upgrade from breezy to efty without doing the dapper-step?12:21
hazard2does wine have opengl support?12:21
xsachayes12:21
MalfermitaKodoHello to everyone out there using Mi^H^H Kubuntu! Maybe here someone can help me with alsa...12:22
xsachaand direct3d support (it makes it into opengl)12:22
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: 00-09-5B-F6-1A-A2-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 (or whatever for the hardware address is not valid)12:22
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solemnwarningSo why did this happen AFTER upgrading?12:22
hazard2I see....12:22
lupine_laptop_andi: nope12:22
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solemnwarningIt was running ok before I rebooted after the upgrade12:22
hazard2So.....now all i need is a video card that DOES openGL....12:22
xsachahazard2: what video card?12:23
lupine_laptopit's almost guarfanteed to b0rken your system12:23
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h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: that always happens with madwifi-ng (I know it works perfectly)12:23
lupine_laptopsolemnwarning: dapper used madwifi; eddgy madwifi-ng12:23
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: (but I get the same error message)12:23
hazard2presently, a Sis630.12:23
MalfermitaKodoCan someone help me tame alsa so far that I can use it for live streaming?12:23
xsachaoh :(12:23
solemnwarninglupine_laptop: Erm12:23
MichaelVailanyone having problems with firefox 2.0 and mplayerplug-in?12:23
_andinope? shit! then it has to be a fresh install :-(12:23
MichaelVaili've reinstalled and it still doesn't work12:23
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h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: wlanconfig ath0 destroy12:24
solemnwarningMy dapper kernel has a madwifi and madwifi-ng, this edgy one only has madwifi12:24
lupine_laptop_andi: no, just update to dapper first12:24
hazard2and beacuse this is a sony vaio (and sony does weird things), if I want a screen I'll keep using the Sis630.12:24
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: wlanconfig create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta12:24
_andithanks lupine12:24
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xsachaeh? want a screen?12:24
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: madwifi > 0.9 is ng12:25
MalfermitaKodo:)12:25
solemnwarningWell my edgy /lib/modules dir has no ng12:25
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: It was renamed back to just madwifi (when it was considered stable)12:25
solemnwarningI'm gonna try the old kernel12:25
hazard2this machine has a funny video connector for the special sony display connector for its vaio-y-ness, which connects to the onboard video. While I have a PCI slot, I can't put video in it if I want to keep using this computer's only redeeming feature: a half decient screen12:25
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h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: Different toolchain not recommended12:26
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solemnwarningh3sp4wn: ?12:26
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: compiled with a different libc expect random crashes12:26
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silvaniaHas anyone got experience with using Jackd? With Wine and XMMS etc?12:26
xsachawhat is this funny video connector? i bet it's not that unique :P12:27
solemnwarningI don't have a choice since the edgy kernel is broken12:27
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: you could remove the restricted modules and build the old madwifi12:27
silvaniathat can help my set it up properly, since i cannot get it to work properly12:27
BlackenWhy can't I use my ttys with Edgy?12:27
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: attempt to fix it maybe12:27
solemnwarningAnd since when is the kernel linked to libc!?!?12:27
BlackenI get these weird-looking screens, just X bitmap barf, and my ttys don't work.12:27
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hazard2it carries sound video, power, usb, PS2 keyboard and mouse to the screen.12:27
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hazard2So, yes, its fairly 'special'12:27
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h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: since always12:28
xsachawhy's it do that? :S12:28
hazard2Its Sony.12:28
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lupine_laptopthe 'madwifi' in edgy appears to be madwifi-ng in reality12:28
hazard2What's this new power control features in edgy?12:29
xsachasurely there's a convertor connector or a way to use a standard connector12:29
solemnwarningh3sp4wn: The kernel IS the OS12:29
xsachathere's a convertor for just about everything12:29
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solemnwarningIt's not linked to anything, otherwise it wouldan't be able to boot12:29
solemnwarningAnd booting the old non-broken kernel worked12:29
h3sp4wnsolemnwarning: It uses the libc its built with12:29
hazard2well, yea, but that would require money.12:29
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solemnwarningThe kernel does not use a libc.........12:30
hazard2Or effort (to figure out the wiring and build one)12:30
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xsachalol, $20 for connector or so..12:30
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xsachabut new video card would be a lot12:30
hazard2neither of which is worth the $0 price tag to the machine.12:30
teledynlupine_laptop: madwifi has been madwifi_ng for a very long time now12:30
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cedoes anyce@ce-laptop:~/gnugo-3.7.9$ netstat -W12:30
cenetstat: invalid option -- W12:30
hazard2No, I've got a PCI rage128, that would be infinitely better than the sis630.12:30
lupine_laptopteledyn: since eddgy, in ubuntu ;)12:30
hazard2(among other random bits I've probably forgotten about)12:30
teledynlupine_laptop: also, i've been having it crash my systems recently and had to stop using it with my atheros card12:30
cedoes anyone know why netstat dosent have --wide option?12:31
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teledynlupine_laptop: is that an alternate driver, or another card?12:31
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lupine_laptopanolther carfd12:31
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hazard2And even so, spending money on a pile of parts already assigned the status "spare parts" dosen't make sense no matter how you look at it.12:32
teledynlupine_laptop: yeah i'm using my trusted old prism2 card at the moment12:32
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lupine_laptopgpl'd drivers by the manufacturer, and active community development12:32
teledynlupine_laptop: i wonder if there's a miniPCI card with that chipset12:33
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ryanakcahow do I uninstall KDE4?12:33
xsacha:P12:33
lupine_laptopteledyn: don't think there is :(12:33
hazard2xsacha :P @who?12:33
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xsacharyanakca: installed it just to check it out?12:34
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cellofellowWhen will KDE4 go gold?12:34
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xsachaanother year or so cellofellow12:35
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hazard2'go gold'?12:35
NapaWhy does not anyone know about dc++ ?12:35
cellofellowhazard2: my root partition was half full when I started, will there be enough room>12:35
cellofellow?12:35
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cellofellowhazard2: err, stable :)12:35
xsachasomeone doesnt know about dc++12:35
xsacha?12:35
giorgiohi agin :)12:35
cpk2i was under the impression kde4 would come out in december or january12:35
xsachathis year?12:35
giorgioxsacha: yes, there is a client, but i can't remember its name12:35
cellofellowxsacha: like me. I don't hava a clue what you're talking about.12:36
cpk2xsacha: yeah12:36
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hazard2I have no idea cellofellow, I know I've got a 4Gig drive, meaning I'm already critical with the stuff I have....much less anything new AND the things I need to use the machine.12:36
xsachacellofellow: maybe this time next year it'll come out12:36
cellofellowcpk2: 3.5.5 is only really new.12:36
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MalfermitaKodoCan someone help me with alsa?12:36
ryanakcaxsacha: I installed it to test it... still not to the point of my liking... and it broke speedcrunch and hwdb-client-kde... which means that kubuntu-desktop is allso broken :)12:36
hazard2I suppse that depends on weather or not you're root partitoin total size is 6gb or 60gb.12:36
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kunjancan anyone post their sources.list for edgy?12:37
cpk2i know but I still think kde4 is only several months away =P12:37
xsachahehe well it's to be expected :P they havent done much 'putting together' yet ryanakca :P12:37
cellofellowhazard2: oh, ok. my disk is about 13GB, and I can't remember the exact size of my partitions. about 40 root 55 home 5 swap something like that.12:37
xsachaseveral isn't this year or early next though :P12:37
ryanakcaxsacha: yeah... konsole works though! :)12:37
xsachalol12:38
cryptoniccan anyone help me out with this error im getting when trying to update ubuntu? :12:38
cryptonicE: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)12:38
cryptonicE: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/edgy-universe.list (dist parse)12:38
cryptonicE: Unable to lock the list directory12:38
xsachahave they changed anything graphical yet ryanakca?12:38
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hazard2cellofellow: df -h uin terminal.12:38
ryanakcaxsacha: nope... still standard KDE theme...12:38
xsacha:)12:38
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ryanakcaxsacha: and my question?12:38
giorgioxsacha: http://linuxreviews.org/software/p2p/valknut_dcgui_qt/12:38
RawSewagewhats the shell command to open a Konq profile, so I can place it in AutoSTart12:38
xsachadelete everything kde 4 and install kde 3.5.5?12:38
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cellofellowhazard2: 5 GB root partition.12:39
ryanakcaxsacha: yes, how do you delete all kde 4?12:39
xsachahow'd you install it?12:39
giorgioxsacha: you can also take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_(file_sharing)#Linux.2FUnix12:39
hazard2it says it needs 3GB, I dunno how much overflow there'll be during install, but I'd say you're likely going to be fine.12:39
chxhi. what i should rtfm to set up beryl+kde+aiglx? I googled and searched ubuntuforums12:39
giorgiohey, is there a metapackage that installs gcc, make, autotools & such?12:39
cellofellowryanakca: maybe just strip everything down to the shell.12:39
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ryanakcaxsacha: I've gone `sudo apt-get --purgre remove kde4base kde4base-dev kde4base-data12:39
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xsachagiorgio: i've used DC++ a lot :)12:40
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ryanakca`12:40
giorgioxsacha: yes, but there are links to linux clients there12:40
hazard2`12:40
RawSewageI want to place a  file.sh  in AutoStart so it opens my Konqueror Profile.  can someone tell me the shell commands to put in the .sh file12:40
xsacharyanakca: purge*12:40
ryanakcas/purgre/purge12:40
ryanakcayes12:40
hazard2later all!12:41
cellofellowRawSewage: konqueror --profile profilename /foo/bar12:41
xsachabut you didnt just install kde4.. it's dependancies as well?12:41
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RawSewagecellofellow, ty.  whats /foo/bar12:41
xsachaits dependancies include qt4, etc?12:41
ryanakcaxsacha: I followed Riddell's page for installing it, I dunno12:41
RawSewagecellofellow, in case I want it to open to a specific folder?12:41
cellofellowRawSewage: wildcards, foo and bar are used a lot to mean just anything.12:41
MalfermitaKodothe folder, it is supposed to open, RawSewage ?12:42
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RawSewageOk, Thanks12:42
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giorgioargh, what automake is recommended to install? got 4 versions here12:43
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franzmaxHello.  I just upgraded to Edgy (using alternate) following instructions on kubuntu site.12:43
MalfermitaKodoDamn... no one who can help me12:43
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franzmaxJust discovered that Firfox was not installed!12:43
BlackenHas anyone used VMware under Edgy?12:43
Blackenfranzmax: Okay, so install it.12:43
ryanakcafranzmax: install it?12:43
ryanakcafranzmax: sudo apt-get install firefox12:43
franzmaxnot possible from adept12:44
morghanphoenixI've never seen a patch harder to find for anything before in my life, and they say windows is the easy user-friendly operating system, bah!12:44
cellofellowfranzmax: use aptitude or apt-get12:44
franzmaxfirefox is there, but clicking on request install does nothing12:44
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MalfermitaKodofranzmax: commit changes?12:44
ryanakcafranzmax: sudo apt-get install firefox12:44
RawSewageMalfermitaKodo, it's working12:44
RawSewagecellofellow, thanks, that worked12:44
Blackenfranzmax: Use the command line, or look into synaptic if the CLI scares you. Adept is horrible.12:44
MalfermitaKodo:>12:44
giorgiommmh, apt-get install automake installs 1.4, too old12:44
kunjanIgn http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages12:44
kunjanErrhttp://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages12:44
kunjan  404 Not Found12:44
cellofellowmorghanphoenix: no more win98 patches. boo-hoo (evilgrin, forces family to use linux)12:45
kunjanwhts that for12:45
franzmaxbut worked fine for me with dapper Blacken .........12:45
morghanphoenixMy girl is in school and they require windows, she intends to switch to linux when she graduates12:45
franzmaxMalfermitaKodo, sorry, what you meant?12:45
ryanakcafranzmax: last time I repeat: sudo apt-get install firefox12:45
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cellofellowfranzmax: if CLI scares you, use aptitude. it works like a gui app in konsole, mouse and everything.12:45
lupine_laptopargh, slllllllllloooooooooooowwwwwwwww laptop12:46
morghanphoenixEven the "hard" versions of linux are easier to update than this12:46
franzmaxyes, sure, got it ryanakca12:46
ryanakcafranzmax: if you want aptitude, sudo apt-get install aptitude12:46
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cellofellowmorghanphoenix: what's "hard"? redhat/fedora? slack?12:46
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ryanakcagentoo? *evilgrin*12:46
ryanakcamorghanphoenix: what's going on?12:47
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ryanakcaxsacha: any idea?12:47
morghanphoenixslack, I thought it was pretty easy, just had multimedia problems so I decided to stick with debian bastards untill I could figure it out on the extra pc.12:47
kunjancan anyone send me their sources.list for edgy?12:47
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morghanphoenixI was bitching about microsoft and how they hide thier updates. Trying to fix my girls winXP box.12:47
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chxhi. what i should rtfm to set up beryl+kde+aiglx? I googled and searched ubuntuforums12:48
ryanakcamorghanphoenix: ooooh, ouch12:48
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morghanphoenixFinally found the patch, and it wasn't on the microsoft page12:48
lupine_laptopdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse12:48
cellofellowchx: rtfm?12:48
lupine_laptop!beryl12:48
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.12:48
ryanakcachx: maybe ask in #ubuntu-xgl?12:48
morghanphoenixBut at least my girl is happy to switch to linux once she's done with school.12:48
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kalahari875Anybody having issues with Kubuntu Edgy hanging on boot?12:49
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chxsorry. i did not know about #ubuntu-xgl. thanks12:49
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morghanphoenixI think educational institutions should be required, by law, to support multiple platforms.12:50
franzmaxryanakca,  sudo apt-get install firefox answers that package firefox has no versions available though its named by another package.   what am I missing?12:50
felixjet!epsx12:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about epsx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:50
kalahari875mozilla-firefox12:50
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morghanphoenixfranzmax, your repos enabled?12:50
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morghanphoenixI thought firefox was in main though.12:51
franzmaxi think so morghanphoenix , but how can i check it?12:51
cpk2firefox is in main12:51
cellofellowmorghanphoenix: all adept does when "enabling" or "disabling" repos is comment or uncomment the lines.12:51
cpk2cellofellow: your point?12:51
cellofellowum....12:51
cellofellow:-)12:51
morghanphoenixI missed that one too.12:52
morghanphoenixlol12:52
cpk2all "commenting out" "commenting in" does is enable or disable the repos =p12:52
giorgioshould i enable multiverse on edgy?12:52
franzmaxso, what do I do with firefox?12:52
morghanphoenixDid you upgrade to edgy?12:53
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franzmaxyes morghanphoenix12:53
morghanphoenixGot a new sources list yet?12:53
franzmaxdid it today using an "alternate" cd12:53
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morghanphoenixI think that gives you a new sources list, doesn't it?12:54
franzmaxso, how do I update my sources list?12:54
morghanphoenixIt sounds like you're using the wrong repo12:54
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morghanphoenixCheck the sources in adept or edit /etc/apt/sources.list12:54
cpk2franzmax: make sure you changed all "dapper" to "edgy"12:54
franzmaxas mentioned somewhere in ubuntu documentation i did change from dapper to edgy every line in /etc/apt/sources.list12:55
pinghackerI originaly installed ubuntu but use kde most. should I upgrade ubuntu ot kubuntu?12:55
cpk2pinghacker: huh?12:55
kalahari875I think you can just add the kubuntu-desktop package12:56
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morghanphoenixSo will upgrading break any of my packages?12:56
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morghanphoenixAcidrip, AmaroK, Kaffeine, Vendetta-Online, Opera and Kontact are all I ever really use.12:57
xsachaamarok and kaffeine?12:57
morghanphoenix???12:58
xsachai use konsole a lot :P12:58
franzmaxI checked again: It's edgy everywhere in my etc/apt/sources.list12:58
h3sp4wnmorghanphoenix: not impossible that it may break X12:58
franzmaxbut still no firefox .......12:58
pinghackerif I had originally installed would the following work for upgrading:12:59
pinghackerLaunch a console with KMenu -> System -> Konsole12:59
pinghackerIn the console run: sudo apt-get update12:59
pinghackerIn the console run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and follow the prompts to upgrade12:59
pinghackerIn the console run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal and follow the prompts to install12:59
pinghackerReboot your compute12:59
morghanphoenixThat's all I can think of, that's the error I got when my sources list was bad.12:59
morghanphoenixI don't have a clue if sources are right.12:59
xsachaping, did you change all to "edgy" first?12:59
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xsachain sources.list.. all dapper to edgy?12:59
morghanphoenixhe said yeah12:59
troxorfranzmax: are you trying to get firefox2?12:59
cpk2franzmax: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted you have that line? (with edgy instead of dapper)12:59
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pinghackerdapper01:00
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franzmaxgoing to check cpk201:00
shadowhywindgot the upgrade installed!!!!01:00
xsachahere's another line:   deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted01:00
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lupine_85oh, is security open now ?01:00
h3sp4wnpinghacker: you have to s/dapper/edgy in sources.listr01:00
xsachaand another: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse01:01
h3sp4wndeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse (may as well put it on 1 line)01:02
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pinghackerYes I see that but my question is will the comands work when it was an original ubuntu (not kubuntu) install01:02
xsachah3sp4wn: they all have different subdomains01:02
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coreymon77wait a sec01:03
franzmaxcpk2, I have that line, but with it. instead of us.  (italy here)01:03
xsachai have au. security. and archive.01:03
coreymon77i noticed on the edgy wiki that you can only upgrade to it form dapper01:03
h3sp4wnxsacha: You can put it all on 1 line and it works fine01:03
h3sp4wnxsacha: Its the same pool01:03
cpk2hah it was down for a guy a while back01:03
coreymon77why cant you upgrade to the edgy final from the edgy rc?01:03
cpk2franzmax: try using france01:03
|lostbyte|Edgy has which kernel version ?01:04
xsachaSysinfo for 'xena': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2002 MHz (4009 bogomips), , RAM: 485/497MB, 105 proc's, 1.14d up01:04
franzmaxyep, will do cpk2 and will let you know01:04
morghanphoenix!upgrade01:04
ubotuFor upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")01:04
kalahari875Can anyone suggest what I can do about getting Kubuntu Edgy to boot reliably? It hangs most of the time on boot. Looking at /var/log/messages the last thing that occurs is loading the Bluetooth modules. I think it is hanging on gconf.01:04
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h3sp4wn|lostbyte|: fedora 6 uses 2.6.18 fwiw01:04
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xsachai've had 2.6.18 on my CRUX for almost 2 weeks :S01:05
|lostbyte|:-/01:05
xsachabut i guess they have to test it out and configure it for every101:05
cryptonicany chance someone could sent me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the update feature?01:05
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h3sp4wnxsacha: (I am using 19-rc3 (I messed something up when patching 2.6.18.1 into mine so just changed to .19 and fixed it)01:06
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bubuntuis possible to install a package to an installed ubuntu (that can not start) from a live cd?01:07
xsachayes bubuntu, you can't even get to a tty? :(01:08
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digitorihi all01:08
h3sp4wnbubuntu: chroot (mount --bind /dev /sys and /proc)01:08
franzmaxcpk2, firefox is now downloading from france....01:08
bubuntui try to install upstart, not work01:09
bubuntutryed01:09
|lostbyte|franjesus, you have it in your repos ?01:09
cpk2franzmax: my guess is the it servers got hit hard by edgy upgrades =P01:09
giorgiois there a metapackage that installs gcc, make, autotools & such? or should i install them one by one?01:09
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franzmaxthat's much likely the reason cpk201:09
JosefKheh, just installed Ubuntu/Gnome to see what it's like, and I can hardly believe I used to use this :/01:10
cpk2build-essential or build-essentials giorgio01:10
h3sp4wngiorgio: build-essential01:10
giorgioooh tnx01:10
xsachamount /dev/hda1 /mnt; swapon /dev/hda2; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp; mount -t proc proc /mntproc; mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt /bin/bash01:10
franzmaxiubuntu must be less popular in frence.... because of their mandriva i guess01:10
xsachadepending on hard drive01:10
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wizzymcnickhello all01:10
bubuntuh3sp4wn , how is that?01:11
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giorgionice description: If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. Moreover this package is not required for building Debian packages.01:11
xsachabubuntu: read what i just wrote01:11
xsachachange hard drives accordingly: )01:11
morghanphoenixUpdate manager works well?01:11
h3sp4wnbubuntu: ^^01:11
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wizzymcnickI've just upgraded to edgy, and i noticed im using a generic kernel, after doing an apt-cache search I don't see any release for K7 processors01:11
wizzymcnickdo you know if there is any ?01:11
digitorican someone please tell me the absolute path to mysql...excluding the bin folder. trying a vtiger install here01:11
bubuntui can not get to a tty01:11
morghanphoenixDo I need to wait for everything to be stopped before running the update-manager?01:11
cryptonicany chance someone could send me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the my ubuntu update feature?01:11
coreymon77so01:12
xsachano bubuntu, you can do that on your livecd01:12
JosefK!linux-k701:12
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ubotulinux-k7: Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.15.25 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB01:12
giorgioactually it doesn't install autoconf, but fair enuff :)01:12
JosefK"obsoleted by linux-generic"01:12
wizzymcnickonly .15* though01:12
coreymon77how can i check if i have upgraded sucessfuly?01:12
bubuntuah a terminal01:12
wizzymcnickIs there a plan for .17 release?01:12
bubuntuyes01:12
xsachabubuntu, you can run that inside your graphical livecd and you will have control of the other hard drive, like you booted from it01:12
bubuntuim in the dapper live cd01:12
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coreymon77guys01:13
coreymon77how do i check?01:13
cryptonicany chance someone could send me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the my ubuntu update feature?01:13
coreymon77i ran apt-get dist-upgrade from edgy rc, how do i check if its upgraded properly?01:13
h3sp4wngiorgio: automaken (is the metapackage for that)01:13
xsachagood, just run those commands i sent you, changed /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 to whatever they are for you01:13
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ryanakcawhats the command to create a swap file of 512mb? dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=51201:14
digitoriand mysql gurus in?01:14
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morghanphoenix!changelog01:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:14
h3sp4wngiorgio: #mysql01:14
giorgioh3sp4wn: mmmh, no such package01:14
morghanphoenix!change log01:14
h3sp4wndigitori: #mysql01:14
coreymon77whats the command to see what kubuntu version you are running01:14
h3sp4wn!info automaken edgy01:14
ubotuPackage automaken does not exist in edgy01:14
|lostbyte|coreymon77, lsb_release -d01:14
digitoricheers girogio...things is im trying to find the absolute path to mysql in kubuntu01:14
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matirafaelahola01:15
xsachamount /dev/hda2 /mnt; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp; mount -t proc proc /mntproc; mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt /bin/bash01:15
cryptonicany chance someone could send me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the my ubuntu update feature? please god someone respond :)01:15
coreymon77does that command tell me if its a beta/rc/final stable?01:15
giorgiodigitori: am i supposed to know that? :)01:15
h3sp4wncryptonic: get them yourself from the apt deb01:15
h3sp4wncryptonic: use dpkg -x01:15
digitorino dude....was only asking01:15
|lostbyte|coreymon77, i belive, never tried it on rc's..01:16
giorgiohehe np digitori, isn't that /usr/bin?01:16
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Storkhow do i get smp working on edgy?01:16
digitoriyeah i  tried that vtiger asks me not to include that though thats why im here cant find help anywhere for this evn vtiger site but thanx01:16
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|lostbyte|Stork, huh, install the smp kernel.01:17
JosefKcan anyone point to an editor that handles indentation better than Kate?01:17
Stork|lostbyte|, which one? i couldn't find one in apt-get01:17
JosefKand can integrate as a kpart, hopefully01:17
digitoriwill try mysql chan see if i can find out...this prob may come up for others using vtiger on kubuntu brb01:18
JosefKand preferably doesn't strip blank lines from the end of files *is annoyed with kate*01:18
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thunderstormhi everybody01:18
thunderstormi have a question - i want to do a backup from my home-directory over the network to a seperate pc, that runs under windows xp.01:19
aseigoJosefK: isn't that a configurable behaviour?01:19
|lostbyte|Stork, huh.. linux-686-smp. its better to ask someone with practical experiance.01:19
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h3sp4wndigitori: some stuff /usr/share/mysql mysqlclient is in /usr/lib01:19
andresmujicaanyone knows about problems with kontact and sasl-auth after 3.5.5 upgrade01:19
lupine_85linux-generic surely?01:19
lupine_85!info linux-generic01:19
ubotuPackage linux-generic does not exist in any distro I know01:19
lupine_85hmm01:19
|lostbyte|!smp01:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about smp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:19
|lostbyte|!find smp01:19
ubotuFound: libsmpeg-dev, libsmpeg0, smproxy, alamin-smpp, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686-smp (and 15 others)01:20
thunderstormeverybody tell me about rsync01:20
lupine_85!rsync01:20
ubotursync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.6-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 214 kB, installed size 444 kB01:20
lupine_85:p01:20
h3sp4wndigitori: you probably need the mysql -dev packages01:20
JosefKaseigo: indentation is configurable, but the choices frankly don't work well at all.  as for stripping blank lines, I couldn't see an option for it anywhere01:20
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thunderstormyes, thats right - but is a backup to the destination system with it's ntfs-partion possible?01:20
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thunderstormbecause i dont know, what rsync do with owners, rigths, and so.01:21
aseigoJosefK: hm... it doesn't remove trailing lines here .... odd.01:21
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davidmejust one quick question... when using chrontab, is there a "remark" charactor, so lines can be REMmed instead of having to be removed?01:22
lupine_85thunderstorm: as long as the destination lets you do a remote login, yes01:22
JosefKaseigo: it could just be my bad luck, and I guess naff scripting on my behalf that I expected blank lines at the end of files01:22
aseigoJosefK: as for indentation, what was lacking for you? the options are unfortunately spread out across a couple of pages (editting and indentation) .. i've tried to talk some sense into them but to no avail01:22
lupine_85personally, I'd tar everything up beforehand though01:22
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JosefKaseigo: heh, I was looking for a K&R style at least, that and the button to manually configure indentation was always disabled?01:23
lupine_85anything not supported by the filesystem (owner, group, permissions) will be lost01:23
giorgiodavidme: #01:23
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JosefKaseigo: automatic filetype detection and adjusting indentation to suit wouldn't hurt either01:23
davidmegiorgio - thank you very much01:23
davidmegood bye01:23
giorgioyou're welcome01:23
osh_I just took the plunge and upgraded to edgy. Great release but some of my easyubuntu packages just went missing. I really need java, anyone know how to fix that?01:23
thunderstormok, that helps me - but what backup-system i can use for my systems?01:23
thunderstormhave you an idea?01:23
NapaHow do I get access to save files to SDA1, SDA2 , SDA3 etc ? I am only able to save files to my linux partition01:23
JosefKosh_: you don't really need easyubuntu for it anymore - just enable multiverse, then install 'sun-java5-jre' from adept01:23
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osh_JosefK: Heh, kafka-fan? Ok. Thanks for the hint. Will try that now. =)01:24
JosefKosh_: I'm utterly transparent ^^01:25
thunderstormin other way - rsync works without errors, if i want to use it?01:25
JosefKthunderstorm: yeah, rsync's a good choice, with reverse-incremental archiving01:25
JosefKthunderstorm: I'm implementing a backup system using SSH/Rsync atm without too much trouble01:26
thunderstormand rsync works on a ntfs-destiation?01:26
JosefKthunderstorm: you can't safely write to NTFS from linux, but you can certainly host an rsync daemon on a windows box if you want to write to NTFS01:27
thunderstorm(ok, owners and rights cannot be backup - but that is not a "big" problem)01:27
purpleposeidonSwap: 1,118,832 KB used, 4 Kb free01:27
osh_JosefK: Oddly enough I seem to have java installed. I do however get this error when trying to start java programs. "grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"01:28
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purpleposeidon**kills kdesktop, gets 631,968 kb back01:28
JosefKosh_: that seems like an upgrade error, if you installed java from EasyUbuntu before you upgraded, it's probably obseleted01:28
thunderstormJosefK: hm - thats an issue for me, but i dont understand, what i have to do - i only want to make a good backup from my home-dir :-)01:29
JosefKosh_: safest to remove it, then install from the multiverse archive01:29
JosefK*obsoleted01:29
osh_JosefK: Will try that too. Thanks for helping out.01:29
JosefKthunderstorm: I wound up switching all my NTFS drives to ext3, and installing http://www.fs-driver.org/ in windows (dual booting)01:30
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JosefKapart from the NTFS drive windows is installed on, of course ;)01:30
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thunderstormJosefK: :-) ok, i understand - i wanne try it, thank you01:31
thunderstormthats an solution01:31
JosefKthunderstorm: np's, good hunting :)01:32
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xsachais there a way to give your compile more priority? or to make it compile using threads?01:32
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thunderstormthank you :-)01:32
giorgioxsacha: make -j301:32
JosefKxsacha: nice01:32
xsachamy compile is only using like 8% cpu01:32
thunderstormbye @ all01:32
xsachai want it to be about 100% :)01:33
kalahari875Can anyone suggest what I can do about getting Kubuntu Edgy to boot reliably? It hangs most of the time on boot. Looking at /var/log/messages the last thing that occurs is loading the Bluetooth modules. The login screen doesn't appear. Help...! :)01:33
xsachawould -j10 work?01:33
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JosefKxsacha: -j (2*cpu's + 1)01:33
xsacha:(01:33
digitorigiorgio.....found it.01:33
JosefKxsacha: if it isn't IO or memory limited anyway01:34
Dr_williskalahari875,  its odd that it works sometimes and not others...01:34
kalahari875I know01:34
osh_Annoyingly enough the java5-installer wants to communicate with me through "curses" interface. How do I solve that in adept?01:34
kalahari875About 1 time out of 3 it boots01:34
Dr_williskalahari875,  try running that memtest thing yet?01:34
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digitorithanks for the pointer to #mysql01:34
JosefKkalahari875: do you need bluetooth? if not, can you blacklist the modules?01:34
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kalahari875Memtest... for bad RAM?01:34
kalahari875Well01:34
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naegling23problem, please help me, I just upgraded to edgy, I have 37 packages related to python that request updates, but give break installs01:34
kalahari875I don't think bluetooth is the problem01:34
Dr_williskalahari875,  yes - its a boot option in the grub menus..01:34
kalahari875I'll try it01:34
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Dr_williskalahari875,  its proberly right BEFOR bluetooth that the problem is.01:34
xsachai keep compiling this same thing with different options and it takes about half an hour each compile :P ill try -j3 next01:35
kalahari875Bluetooth is just the last thing that occurs before the login screen appears I think01:35
Dr_willisI dident even thinl bluetooth was installed by default01:35
kalahari875When it does appear and I enter credentials the next thing to appear in /var/log/messages are messages from gconf01:35
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Dr_willisa lot of things run after you see the KDM login01:35
naegling23what do i need to do to get everything updated?01:35
kalahari875I installed sysv-rc-conf and stopped bluetooth from all runlevels thinking that might help (I don't use it)01:36
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kalahari875But, the hangs continue01:36
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Dr_williskalahari875,  that shows its not bluetooth then. :P01:36
h3sp4wnkalahari875: sounds like upstart problem01:36
h3sp4wnkalahari875: Try reinstalling the old init01:37
Dr_williskalahari875,  what video card ya got? it could be  a x driver issue.01:37
xsachahmm sounds like a lot of people having problems with upgrade+upstart.. good i installed from fresh install :D01:37
kalahari875Could be01:37
kalahari875This is a fresh install01:37
Dr_willisxsacha,  me also.01:37
kalahari875Wiped Windows01:37
xsacha:S01:37
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Dr_willis'washed windows'01:38
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h3sp4wn!info sysvinit edgy01:38
ubotusysvinit: System-V-like init utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu16 (edgy), package size 106 kB, installed size 280 kB01:38
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h3sp4wnkalahari875: it does still exist in edgy (so you could try it)01:39
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kalahari875Would I need to do anything other than install sysvinit?01:39
kalahari875Video card is an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500DV01:39
naegling23no one else is having this python/edgy issue?01:39
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h3sp4wnkalahari875: it should conflict with upstart (if it does not fix it put upstart back)01:40
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Dr_williskalahari875,  check your xorg.conf and try the 'vesa' drivers..  and then try the fglrx drivers later.01:41
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RatKingHow can I upgrade via GUI in kubuntu?01:41
RatKingto Edgy I mean01:41
naegling23well.....ive been having problems with it all night, id say dont01:42
HawkwindRatKing: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade01:42
kalahari875Dr_willis, let me see if I know how to do that.01:42
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HawkwindRatKing: That URL is the best way to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy really01:42
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RatKingHave you upgraded Hawkwind? And would you recommend it?01:43
kalahari875One thing about the startup problem: I have shutdown problems too. Gets past the "Kubuntu" screen with the progress bar, changes display modes and makes the monitor click, and then repeats... indefinitely.01:43
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Dr_williskalahari875,  could boot with the 'nosplash noquiet ' options, and look at the more detailed messages01:44
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HawkwindRatKing: No and no.  Fresh installs are always recommended01:45
Dr_willisNo No! 10^10 times no!01:45
Dr_willis:)01:45
Dr_willislol01:45
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RatKinglol. Thanks for the help guys01:46
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kalahari875Dr_willis:  Am I looking for the section in xorg.conf where it has [Device]  and lists the ATI card?01:48
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Dr_willisDriver "ati"01:48
kalahari875Driver says 'ati'01:48
Dr_willismay be the line. :)01:48
kalahari875Yes01:48
kalahari875Change that to 'vesa'?01:48
Dr_willistry changeing it to Driver 'vesa'01:48
Dr_willis:)01:48
Dr_willisya got it01:48
kalahari875k01:48
kalahari875Thanks... trying01:49
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osh_This doesn't look right when trying to start java-things.01:49
osh_uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory01:49
osh_test: 159: Darwin: unexpected operator01:49
h3sp4wnRatKing: rip out everything except ubuntu-minimal (dist-upgrade then reinstall kubuntu-desktop) also works and has throughout the edgy release cycle01:49
BluesKajThere's gotta be a  way to get the printer wizard to see my network printer, but so far it doesn't work and I've tried every combo on the wizard and none work :(01:50
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Dr_willisi find the gnome-cups-manager nicer in ways01:50
Dr_willisBluesKaj,  what kind of networked printer is it.01:50
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: I have always just used lpd for printing01:51
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RatKingI don't think I'll upgrade until I know how well it goes for other people. But should I upgrade KDE? I have 3.5.3 now01:51
BluesKajan HP USB connected01:51
BluesKajHP 3520 deskjet01:51
Dr_willisBluesKaj,  usb? you said it was networked...01:51
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BluesKajyes it's on my wifes windows pc , the netork runs thru my router01:52
Dr_willisso its a Samba/smb shared printer01:52
Dr_williscan you see the windows shares? if any.. windows firewall may be blocking stuff01:52
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BluesKajyes Dr_willis01:52
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Dr_williswell ya could try 2 things..01:53
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Install print services for unix on the windows machine01:53
Dr_willis#1 - enable the cups web interface.. and try that..01:53
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: then just use lp01:53
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Dr_willis#2 install the gnome-cups-manager and see if it works better01:53
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: cups is horrible best to avoid if it all possible imho01:54
Dr_willish3sp4wn,  may know more. P my networked printer is its own little machine and ip. :)01:54
Dr_willisIve had no problems with cups  :)01:54
larson9999i think i missed a post from someone to me earlier.01:54
Dr_willisunless you could the annoying things the ubuntu guys did to it.,01:54
Dr_willislol01:54
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h3sp4wnDr_willis: I seem to remember during the early days of dapper you trying to do that stuff01:54
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BluesKajDr_willis, i use a router the win FW is turned off01:54
larson9999i've never had any problems with cups.  pretty snappy here actually01:54
Smeggyanyone know how to turn the icon bouncing off when you launch something?01:55
Dr_willish3sp4wn,  i got my notes for how to reenable the cups web interface.. not sure if edgy is as brain dead. :)01:55
larson9999Dr_willis: i concurr01:55
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BluesKajwell ,it's nice to know how ell cups works for you guys , but that doesn't help me01:55
felipe__Helo guy, on the kubuntu download page I only see a link to download through bittorrent the edgy dvd, where is the link to download through bittorrent de cd01:55
Dr_willisBluesKaj,  i gave 2 options. :)01:56
larson9999smeggy yeah, it's called launch feedback in system settings -> appearance01:56
Dr_willisand h3sp4wn,  gave another..01:56
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: If you install print services for unix (on the windows machine) - its part of windows01:56
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h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Then you don't need to use cups at all01:56
Smeggylarson9999: cheers mate01:56
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larson9999Smeggy: isn't that bouncy thing the most annoying feature ever?01:57
larson9999edgy seems a bit snappier.  or is it the placebo effect?01:57
Smeggyyeah its annoying01:57
Smeggyhmm where is it in system settings? i cant find it01:57
BluesKajyeah  Dr_willis i tried the cups interface ...it failed as well01:58
CombatjuanHello everyone.  Does anyone know how to (or if one even can) turn off the image scaling in Konqueror for big images?01:58
larson9999Smeggy: oops! it's under panel01:58
RatKingSmeggy: Panel > Launch feedback01:58
MasterEvilAceon a clean install of EDGY there's a "kde-guida$" in my services (using Sysv-rc-conf to view).. is this needed? what is this?01:58
BluesKajh3sp4wn, print services for unix ? where do i find that in windows?01:59
Smeggypanel...?01:59
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: tcp/ip settings I think01:59
larson9999BluesKaj: you have to mess with the user/groups to get cups working.  easy to find via google01:59
RatKingSystem Settings > Panel (Under personal) > Launch feedback01:59
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Then the windows machine act as a standard lpd server01:59
Smeggythanks folks01:59
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Smeggy*stupid02:00
Smeggylol02:00
RatKingLol02:00
CombatjuanHow about the setting for image scaling in konqueror?02:00
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CombatjuanThat's always the first thing I disable in Firefox.  I can't find how to disable it in Konqueror though.  Yick.02:00
Smeggywould anyone absolutely hate me if i said I couldnt find "panel" in there?02:01
BluesKajit's funny that i had the printer working in dapper last week and suddenly it just failed ...I had to reinstall it in windows as well and since then it's disappeared to Linux02:01
SmeggyIm running edgy, if that makes a difference02:01
kalahari875Dr_Willis, tried the vesa driver. It shows me the login screen but after entering credentials keeps returning me to the login screen. Also tried 'fglrx' as the driver (thought you said that) and X wouldn't even try to start.02:01
h3sp4wnBluesKaj: Click on Add/Remove Windows Components, and then open Other Network File and Print Services. Select Print Services for Unix02:01
RatKingYou are using System Settings and not kcontrol, yes?02:01
SmeggyRatKing: im using system settings... the thing that looks like mac osx's system prefs.. yes02:01
RatKingThey changed it in edgy02:02
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RatKingOpen kcontrol and in the search box type "Launch feedback"02:02
RatKingThat will find it02:02
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SmeggyRatKing: hmm 0 hits02:02
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RatKingOpen the "Appearance and themes" menu02:03
livingdaylightI'm having a Steve Ballmer moment here: "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!!.."02:03
RatKingThe 6th option down, should be Launch feedback02:03
Smeggy"Appearance"?02:03
livingdaylighthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUAr-P_39U02:03
larson9999RatKing: i'm in edgy and it's in the same place on my system02:03
Smeggythis is weird lol02:04
morphishkalahari875: when you end up back on login, check what it say in /var/log/Xorg.0.log as reason/cause of why it failed02:04
RatKingVery02:04
livingdaylightTHANK YOU UBUNTU DEVELOPERS!!!02:04
RatKingI'm in dapper, I'm not sure where the stuff is in edgy02:04
Smeggyill take a screenshot02:04
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xsachasystemsettings02:04
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larson9999Smeggy: system setting -> panel -> launch feedback02:04
xsachayou have to click on system settings02:05
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xsachaor type it in02:05
xsachajust do: alt+space and type in syste02:05
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gop_!samba02:05
RatKinglarson9999: That's what I told him02:05
xsachaalt+space sys02:05
Dr_willisone of these days we need to track down a "how to use kde" web site and send people there to learn kde. :)02:05
Smeggytheres no entry for it02:05
RawSewageMy computer is running nicely on Edgy02:05
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Dr_willisRawSewage,  mine is also02:06
roob!repos02:06
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roobwhat is the site with the repos...somthingmatic02:06
RawSewageDr_willis, did you do a fresh install02:06
rooband are they for edgy also?02:06
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giorgiowhat's this alt+space thingie?02:06
RatKingKatapult02:06
larson9999RatKing: i know :)02:06
giorgionice one02:07
giorgiodidn't know that02:07
shadowhywindwhat packages are the kernel sources in? *i can never remember*02:07
Dr_willisRawSewage,  of course. :)02:07
h3sp4wnshadowhywind: linux-source-2.6.17 (I think)02:07
Smeggyhttp://www.tbmn.net/snapshot2.png02:07
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Smeggythat is my system settings02:07
shadowhywindhehe thanks02:07
RatKingSmeggy: Try advanced02:08
RatKingMaybe it's under there02:08
gop_!bot02:08
Smeggythat only has disk and filesystems, system services, login manager and some services stuff02:08
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xsachayeah alt+space sys is a bit faster than alt+f1 up up up enter02:09
larson9999Smeggy: you're missing 'panel' :)02:09
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bLaZeD!does anyone know where a list of repos is for edgy?...or if someone running edgy can pastebin theres.....im on a fresh install and want  to install some stuff...02:09
Dr_willis!easysource02:09
grindelsudo apt-get install build-essential gcc-3.4 <-- is this differnet in edgy?? this command was referanced in a how-to disigned for Dapper02:09
Smeggyhrm02:09
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Smeggyso how do I get panel lol02:09
xsachatoo bad Katapult uses fake transparency02:09
gop_!samba02:09
Dr_willishmm no bot...02:09
gop_no bot02:10
gop_:(02:10
Dr_willisEgads!02:10
RatKingSmeggy: Take a picture of your kcontrol02:10
xsachaany idea how to make katapult use true transparency?02:10
larson9999Smeggy: for me if i do 'sudo kcontrol' from the command line, it's under appearance02:10
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grindelall transparency is fake02:10
bLaZeDdoh!02:10
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Dr_willislife is fake02:10
Dr_willis:)02:10
xsachawell updating transparency02:10
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Smeggybut isn't running kcontrol as root changing the settings for the root user...02:10
Dr_willistoo bad transparency is such a popular ugly eye candy.02:10
Dr_willis:)02:10
grindelwhat is true tanparency ??02:10
RatKingThere is no root user for ubuntu02:10
xsachait isnt ugly, much cleaner :P02:11
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ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic02:11
Smeggyhrm02:11
bLaZeDhmm02:11
RatKingYou just get more control02:11
ubotusamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT02:11
Dr_willisThe bot was lagged.02:11
Smeggyok, i ran kcontrol under sudo and theres no panel entry in any of the subtrees..02:11
Dr_willis:)02:11
grindelno, it's not that root dosen't exist it's been disabled02:11
xsachagrindel, you're still in a tty or something? true transparency is background mixed in.. it's not just *take a picture of background and mix in*02:11
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Smeggy"launch feedback" is greyed out02:11
bLaZeDthat doesnt have edgy repos02:11
Dr_willis'direct logging in as root - is disabled' to be techinical.02:11
Smeggyand i cant click it lol02:11
Dr_willis:)02:11
larson9999Smeggy it's not under panel in kcontrol02:11
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RatKingSmeggy: That's the one you need!02:12
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Smeggyits unselectable lol02:12
jarnHow do I move the clock and the system tray on the kicker?02:12
jarnAlso, when I go to print in KControl, it says the CUPS server is not installed correctly.02:12
Dr_willisclick on the handel and mvoe them.. or middle click i think02:12
larson9999Dr_willis: so i'm not the only one who dislikes the whole transparency thing?02:12
xsachayou can drag them or you can click the little arrow on the left hand side of it02:12
Smeggyhmm brb02:12
Smeggygoing to restart kde02:12
Dr_willisjarn,  middle click and drag them wheever02:12
Dr_willis:)02:12
RatKingOk02:12
jarnDr_willis: That doesn't work.02:13
Dr_willislarson9999,  im so sick of eye candy and eye candy support questions02:13
RatKingMake sure you unlock the panel02:13
Dr_willisjarn,  it does to.. works fine for me.02:13
grindelxsacha i know what transperency is suppose to look like i just wonder what you think "true transperncy" is cause i'm betting wut ever you tihk it is your wrong02:13
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RatKingBy right clicking and selecting "Unlock panels"02:13
xsachagrindel: have you ever used beryl?02:13
Dr_williswell that may be just for icons. :)02:13
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tyl3rI have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror02:13
jarnDr_willis: It doesn't work for me... for me, middle-clicking switches the clock from showing my city to the date.02:13
grindelcan't say that i have02:13
Dr_willisjarn,  you need to click on the little MOVE handle02:14
Dr_willisleft side of the clock02:14
larson9999Dr_willis: me too.  maybe it's because when i started the games were mostly ascii art :)02:14
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xsachawell you see the background is actually mixed with foreground so that it doesnt need to 'update' -- it never *takes a picture* of the underneath and then mixes that in.. it's actually a constant mix02:14
jarnDr_willis: Umm... I don't see one. It's seamless between the clock and the system tray to the left of it.02:14
RatKingYou can also just hold the left mouse button and move it02:14
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xsachaconstantly mixing02:14
Dr_willislarson9999,  im also getting sick of tech support being KDE/gnome 101 teaching. :)02:14
RatKingjarn: You have to unlock the panel02:14
tyl3rI have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png02:14
xsachait has the effect of true transparency02:14
jarnRatKing: It isn't locked.02:14
xsachaunlike the KDE taskbar and Katapult02:15
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Dr_williswhen you mouse over the clock a 'handel' should appear02:15
grindelthe background insn't drawn if there is a window over it so what are you mixing02:15
Jucatojarn: then you probably hid the handles02:15
larson9999it seems like i read somewhere that based on how you installed *buntu, different things would be installed in the 'control' menus.02:15
jarnJucato: How do I unhide them?02:15
xsachagrindel: it is :)02:15
Smeggyit is fixed lol02:15
RatKingLol02:15
tyl3rI have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png02:15
xsachaand it is updating02:15
Smeggylaunch feedback is no longer greyed out!02:15
RatKingGood02:15
RatKing:)02:16
Jucatojarn: right-click on the panel, configure Panel, Appearance, Advanced button, Applet Handles02:16
xsachabut not with Katapult and the taskbar02:16
jarnJucato: I officially love you. Thanks much!02:16
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Jucatojarn: the default is Fade Out, which means it's hidden unless you hover over the icon/clock/system tray02:16
grindelokay if you have two windows open and you put the one with a the transperency in the forground dose it draw the other window02:16
RatKingHe must have selected hide02:16
JucatoRatKing: that's what I'm thinking02:17
SmeggyAnyway to get some other window decorations without compiling them?02:17
jarnI did. I don't remember doing it, but I did.02:17
RatKingDownload them?02:17
xsachayes grindel, if i put a window on top of this konversation, it will show the chat scrolling and will look just as if that window isnt there, expect the window will appear (transparent) above it02:17
JucatoSmeggy: look for ones that have .deb downloads available?02:17
SmeggyFair enough... yet to find any with a deb though02:17
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JucatoSmeggy: there are also some (just a few) available in the repositories. very few02:18
xsachaKatapult and the taskbar do not do this though, they are using fake transparency where it only takes a snapshot of what was underneath and mixes that instead of drawing the windows underneath02:18
Jucatoxsacha: to be more precise, it takes a snapshot of the wallpaper/desktop02:18
grindelwell it looks like tansperency but the forground window is still opaque it dosn't matter what you do02:18
jarnWhenever I go to the printers section in kcontrol, it tells me that the cups server is not installed, but it is. What is going on? :/02:18
xsachawell it takes a snapshot of the windows there too02:18
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Jucatoxsacha: the taskbar doesn't, though02:19
grindelyou can do some fancy trick to get the effect but as far a software is concerned all windows are02:19
xsachayeah taskbar is just desktop02:19
larson9999transparency drives me nuts when it comes to my desktop.  i kinda like it when it comes to women's tops02:19
xsachagrindel: no, not opaque02:19
grindelyes02:19
_bbeckI just installed Edgy, and everything looked great until I logged out of KDE and back in, then all the fonts became fuzzy.  Does anyone know if this is a known issue, or how to fix it?02:19
xsacha*sigh* you're living in last millenium lol02:19
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grindelsigh you don't know how things work02:20
xsachayes i do02:20
lontrahow can i make konqueror look like it does normally?  i.e. no google search box02:20
RatKingSmeggy: http://www.kde-look.org/ and go to the Window Decorations section02:20
RatKingA bunch of them are deb02:20
Smeggyexcellent, ty02:20
grindelexplain how you would write a tranperentcy algorythem then02:21
xsachamaybe a video will suffice for you02:21
grindelcause i think your still lost02:21
grindelvidio wouldn't do it02:21
xsachalol02:21
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Smeggyhrmm has the right click "kubuntu package menu" on .debs always been there?02:21
JucatoSmeggy: yes02:22
Jucatosince Dapper (not sure with Edgy)02:22
grindeli know how it should look. but just because a thing looks transperent dosen't make it transperent02:22
Jucatopseudo-transparency vs. true transparency02:23
xsachait is as transparent as is possible on a computer screen02:23
xsachahttp://youtube.com/watch?v=egb5g0m3J2o02:23
xsachait's true transparency02:23
grindelit's not transperent at all is what i'm trying to explain02:23
lontra!mirrors02:23
ubotuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive02:23
lontrais there a way to have a default lookin' konqi?02:23
Jucatolontra: Google search is missing even when you're in Web browsing profile/mode?02:24
NapaI cant unrar in kubuntu :(02:24
RatKingdoes anyone know what folder I install window decorations in?02:25
JucatoNapa: you need to install "unrar" from multiverse02:25
JucatoRatKing: errr anywhere?02:25
tyl3rI have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png02:25
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Jucatoit's going to be compiled/installed as .deb anyway02:25
lontraJucato: i want google search to vanish...i just use gg: blah to google search02:25
Jucatolontra: disable the Google search plugin in Settigns > Configure Extensions02:25
larson9999visearch!!02:25
lontraJucato: thanks!02:26
larson9999Smeggy: did you figure it out yet?02:26
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xsachagrindel: if you're trying to tell me it's not true transparency because it's not a physical object you can see through, well done -- it is true transparency for a computer monitor though which is as good as possible, it will redraw the background02:26
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Napajucato: what is multiverse?02:26
giorgiook people, i'm off to bed. thanks for all the help02:26
Jucato!multiverse02:26
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu02:26
Jucato!multiverse | Napa02:27
ubotuNapa: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu02:27
RatKinglarson9999: He restarted KDE and then Launch feedback became un-grayed out02:27
soulriderhi everyone!02:27
Jucatohi soulrider02:27
soulrideri just got rid of suse and installed Edgy! :D02:27
Napa!multiverse02:27
xsachagrindel: hopefully you can see the difference between the two types of transparencies now02:27
Smeggylarson9999: the "launch feedback" in kcontrol worked after a restart02:27
JucatoNapa: I alrady gave you the link02:27
Smeggythe annoyiing bounce is gonne :D02:27
Napathanx02:27
larson9999Smeggy: just like windows!02:27
lontraanyone have any suggestions for a nice looking icon theme? :)02:27
Smeggyhaha02:28
RatKingkneu02:28
Jucatolontra: kde-look.org02:28
tyl3rI have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png02:28
JucatoI like something called realistiK. don't know if it's still there02:28
RatKingWhoa02:28
lontraso if i removed the default konqueror profile what does that mean?02:29
Jucatotyl3r: did you check the Font settings in Konqueror already? Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Fonts ?02:29
grindelxsacha teansperency is a figment of a programmer imagination because the computer only draws what is visable. anything that your window is covering isn't drawn... now there are some neat tricks to make it seem like it's actually drawn back there. however it never really is drawn behind your window. I'm sure if you could close the window without updateing the screen you'll see nothing (which btw looks exactly like your window) because02:29
grindeleverything behind a window isn't drawn the computer only draws what is visable on the screen. you application with the tranperncy thingy is actually guessing at how things would look if it weren't in the forground and drowing those things in it's own window02:29
tyl3ryeah, it's set on sans-serif, just like firefox that works properly02:29
larson9999are these problems all due to not restarting x after an upgrade?  i wonder02:29
grindelit looks transperent, it even feels transperent but in fact it is not02:29
Napanow I've installed unrar ... but it still doesnt't work02:30
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tyl3rafter and update I started to have that problem on konqueror02:30
xsachait's drawing both at the same time grindel, that's the point02:30
tyl3ralready checked all the fonts config in kde and konqueror02:30
soulrider!easysource02:30
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic02:30
soulrideris easyrouce updated with edgy now ?02:31
soulriderno its not02:31
grindeli only draws one update per sync pulse it cannot draw both at the same time02:31
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kalahari875Dr_willis--the problem does seem to have been the video driver. I ended up installing the xorg-driver-fglrx package and replacing 'ati' with 'fglrx' and I have shutdown and restarted successfully 2x in a row now (never before had happened!)02:31
kalahari875Thanks for your help02:31
RatKingIf they have gksudo for gnome, what do you use for kde?02:31
orkid__kdesu02:31
Napajust kidding .. I think i got it :D02:31
RatKingAhh02:31
RatKingThanks02:32
xsachait is drawing both at the same time, using the pixels from both02:32
xsachain one update02:32
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Dr_williskalahari875,   had similer issue with my laptop02:32
grindelerr wrong again my firend. how can you put two pixles in one pixle space02:32
xsachatransparency02:32
Dr_willisthis is getting way to 'zen' :)02:33
xsachaif one of them is 100% opaque then only the colour of that one will appear02:33
campbch_are there any resources available to learn how to make x applications in linux?02:33
xsachanot 'wrong again' -- i never changed what i was saying02:33
larson9999grindel: quantum pixels?02:33
Dr_williscampbch_,  oodles of sites on google. :P may want to check out tldp.org02:33
pierrethare you going to celebrate the new version of Ubuntu?02:33
campbch_alright :D i haven't turned up anything definitive yet, ill keep looking02:33
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Jucatoxsacha, grindel: could you please take this to #kubuntu-offtopic? we're expecting to get high traffic in here these days. thanks :)02:34
Dr_williscampbch_,  its a very huge topic.. depends on what you really want to learn02:34
grindelerr that dosn't answer the question. that like answering "milk" to the question "how long dose it take to get from point a to point b if your were traveling at 6mph?"02:34
grindelokay sorry02:34
grindeli'll leave it slone02:34
RatKingDr_willis: Did you upgrade or do a fresh install?02:34
grindelalone02:34
Dr_willisRatKing,  fresh install02:34
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RatKingkk02:34
Jucatogrindel: nah it's ok. just in -offtopic if you guys wanna dish it out :)02:34
grindeli came here to ask a question but got sucked into a conversation avout systems operartion by a retard02:35
Jucatoer... no need for name calling.02:35
Dr_willisthats in #kubuntu-namecalling02:35
Dr_willis:)02:35
JucatoDr_willis: lol02:35
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BonBonTheJon_Dr_willis: is that a real channel?02:36
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JucatoBonBonTheJon_: of course not hehehe02:36
Dr_willisI think we need a #kubuntu-kdebasics02:36
RawSewageI think somethings wrong with KOrganizer02:36
jhutchinsSo how are people dealing with the lack of plf for edgy?02:36
JucatoDr_willis is just being a <insert name calling here>02:36
RawSewagewhen I click the icon in the tray, it doesnt show up02:36
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JucatoRawSewage: noticed that too, eh?02:36
Dr_willisjhutchins,  i used plf yesterday for edgy. :P02:36
RawSewageJucato, everyone knows already then?02:36
Jucatono. but I do :P02:36
RawSewageI noticed it a few days ago02:37
JucatoRawSewage: since Edgy02:37
RawSewagemaybe a week ago02:37
RawSewageno02:37
RawSewageIve been using Edgy for a long time02:37
Dr_willishe PLF Ubuntu project is shutting down, due to lack of time of its maintainers. New volonteers are welcome.02:37
RawSewagethat problem only started happening about a week ago02:37
jhutchinsDr_willis: Is packages.frecontrib.org the only mirror, or did you use something else?02:37
JucatoRawSewage: maybe the last update02:37
RawSewageyeah02:37
Dr_willisjhutchins,  hmm.. not sure.. let me look02:37
jhutchinsI looked in distrib.coffee, ubuntu is empty.02:37
jhutchinsDr_willis: thanks.02:37
Dr_willisdeb http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf edgy-plf free non-free02:37
JucatoRawSewage: let me check if there's a bug report for it02:37
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xsachagot that guy sorted i think02:38
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jhutchinsMirrors have a README that say it's shutting down.02:39
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xenoterracidehow do I fix  sudo: unable to lookup slave-iii via gethostbyname()02:40
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JucatoRawSewage: bug reported in Launchpad (Ubuntu) and KDE. A patch has been committed to SVN in KDE. We'll probably have it soon02:41
RawSewageJucato, ok cool02:41
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lontrayay! emacs-snapshot :D02:42
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Napaanyone here know about dc++ or torrent software working?02:42
Jucatoktorrent02:42
Napaok02:42
Napadc++ then?02:43
BluesKaj!azureus02:43
Jucatodc++?02:43
soulriderdirect connect02:43
Napadirect connect02:43
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BluesKaj!azureus02:43
NapaI havent found anything yet  :(02:43
Jucatoah not sure about that02:43
Napamaybe it doesnt exsist on linux02:43
soulriderit most likely does02:43
ubotuazureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo02:44
BluesKajI'm running azureus as we speak02:44
Napa!dc++02:44
ubotudc: The GNU dc arbitrary precision reverse-polish calculator. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 56 kB, installed size 200 kB02:44
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Napa!direct connect02:46
twosouls82haven't used Konvi in a while, nice redesign02:46
twosouls82:)02:46
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jhutchinsIs there a known problem with perl scripts in debs complaining they can't set locale?02:46
twosouls82jhutchins: that meanse the locale package needs to be installed02:47
Dr_willisthats just a warning :)02:47
twosouls82which will happen lateron02:47
twosouls82;)02:47
lontrais ubuntu planning on using iceweasel or are they going to stick with firefox?02:47
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soulrideri like Opera02:48
soulrider!iceweassel02:48
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about iceweassel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:48
lontrai like konqueror02:48
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cellofellowI've got a problem with permissions on a usb zip drive.02:48
lontrai only use firefox for things i can't do in konqi02:48
cellofellowsoulrider: spell it right. iceweasel02:49
lontrakonqueror is the whole point of kde :)02:49
soulrider!iceweasel02:49
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about iceweasel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:49
cellofellowgood02:49
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soulriderlol02:49
cellofellowSo, what do I have to do in fstab to make the files in the usb drive writable?02:49
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cellofellowusb zip02:50
lontraadept is pretty slow,eh?02:50
lontrai think i'll stick with aptitude :D02:50
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twosouls82what does "*** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin terminated" mean, when firefox refuses to start? :D02:51
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soulrideri just use apt-get02:51
twosouls82who's being smashed by whom?02:51
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lontrai guess now with apt-get autoremove there isn't too much of a point in using aptitude02:51
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lontrai just like that when you run aptitude purge foo it removes all unused dependencies of foo02:52
Clinton__Katapult has bound itself to Alt-Space, and nowhere can I find how to bind it to another key.  Where is this setting?02:52
JucatoClinton__: Alt+Space, then hit Ctrl+C to bring up a popup box02:53
cellofellowfstab settings for a vfat zip disk anybody? I can't write as user.02:53
cellofellowI can mount as use02:53
cellofellowuser02:53
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cellofellowHello?02:54
Jucato!fat3202:54
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse02:54
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Clinton__lontra: thx02:55
yokobrEl justiciero cha cha cha02:55
Jucato??02:55
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cellofellowJucato: all very nice to refer me to the wiki, but I'm running in the shell atm while edgy downloads.02:55
Jucato@_@02:56
Jucatosorry02:56
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Jucatoreferring to the wiki = I don't know :(02:56
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cellofellowJucato: it's ok, I was just hoping for a straight answer.02:56
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lontraanyone know why knetworkmanager fails to remember my WEP password and asks me to enter it everytime i reboot?  also this time the kde wizard ran which has never happened before02:57
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soulriderim back02:57
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soulridercan someone help me change my resolucion ?02:57
soulriderits stick on 1024x76802:57
soulrideri just installed my nvidia drivers too02:58
lontrasoulrider: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg02:58
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soulrideri already modified that nv thing02:58
mnbhi !!02:58
soulriderchanged it to nvidia and restarted02:58
mnbhow can i update my kubuntu for last version ?02:58
cellofellowhere's my fstab line on the zip disk: /dev/sda4 /media/zip250 vfat uid=0,gid=0,noauto,rw,users 0 002:59
Jucato!edgy | mnb02:59
ubotumnb: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)02:59
cellofellowmnb: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change all dapper to edgy. sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:00
Jucatocellofellow: probably change the uid and gid to your uid/gid?03:00
cellofellowJucato: want to work with other users too.03:00
Jucatoah.. hm...03:00
cellofellowbrb03:00
Jucatocellofellow: the wiki says to use these options "user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000"03:01
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Jucatocellofellow: to make it accessible by everyone03:01
cellofellowok03:02
cellofellowclear the auto of course, its a removable drive afterall.03:03
Jucato:)03:03
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Dr_willisauto ? Hmm.03:04
Jucatoah there's our resident expert03:04
Dr_willisthat makes sence for a removeable drive dont it. :) unless of course you know it will be the same fs.03:04
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Dr_willis- /dev/hda1 /media/hda1     vfat    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       103:05
cellofellowAutomount, not autofs03:05
cellofellowit worked out03:05
cellofellowthanks Jucato03:05
Dr_willis:)03:05
Jucatocellofellow: heh I just got that from the wiki :)03:05
cellofellowDr_willis: do you know how to copy and paste with screen? I ran into a copy feature by accident but don't know how to use it.03:06
cellofellowJucato: you're the one with the working web browser.03:06
Dr_willisI always got to google a few of the screen tutorials03:06
Dr_willisscreen has some of the worse docs out. :(03:06
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Dr_willisevery tutorial/guide covers the basics then say "theres advance features but i wont cover them'03:07
Dr_willis:)03:07
cellofellowDr_willis: to bad, it's a complicated but interesting program03:07
Dr_willisIve had issues with screen running with 'mc'03:07
campbch_ok, for some reason SKIM has decided to open multiple copies of the tray icon, only one is being used, and they reappear when killed. what is happening? i haven't changed any skim settings since install?03:07
cellofellowDr_willis: really?03:07
Dr_willisi normally have it on my fileserver, to run rtorrent on. :)03:07
Dr_willisI sort of like "twin" but its gotten weird :)03:08
Dr_willis!info twin03:08
cellofellowI just like screen better than switching vt's03:08
ubotutwin: a Text mode WINdow environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (dapper), package size 424 kB, installed size 1452 kB03:08
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campbch_incredible03:08
cellofellowDr_willis: sounds interesting03:08
campbch_skim broke itself03:08
cellofellowwhat is SKIM for anyways?03:09
Dr_willisI never have figured that out cellofellow03:09
Dr_willis:)03:09
Jucatocellofellow: KDE front-end to SCIM03:09
campbch_ill show you in a sec03:09
campbch_it's not working at all now :o03:10
Dr_willisHay hay.. twin works good under the condole in edgy!03:10
Dr_willisL(03:10
campbch_oh shoot.03:10
cellofellowcellofellow: what's scim though?03:10
Dr_willistwin is just an interesting tool to use.03:10
campbch_i had to redo kde, and now it's not working right :o there was something i had to change, and it was pretty deep03:10
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cellofellowDr_willis: two term windows in one console?03:10
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Jucatocellofellow: I think it's for CJK input (Chinese, Japanese, Korean)03:10
campbch_it is03:10
campbch_i need it for my class03:10
cellofellowJucato: ah, ok03:10
campbch_but it doesnt 'just work'03:11
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RawSewagenow let's see if k3b verify data works03:11
Jucatocampbch_: better wait for seishinbyo. he's got it working I think...03:11
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RawSewagenope03:11
RawSewageI filed a bug report, but no one believed me03:11
cellofellowcampbch_: if you had it working, you could ask on the chinese channel. chicken-egg thing though :-(03:12
RawSewagek3b doesnt verify the DVD after a burn03:12
RawSewageIts been like that for weeks03:12
JucatoRawSewage: it verified my CD after burning03:12
RawSewagewtf03:12
Dr_williscellofellow,  nope - its like a 'desktop manager' that uses the old-ascii type gfx. you can have several terminals in windows. and resize them on the screen.03:12
RawSewageI just did a fresh install03:12
Jucatoalthough I burned an ISO image03:12
RawSewageyes, it verifies the ISO03:12
RawSewagebut it doesnt verify normal data DVDs03:12
Dr_williscellofellow,  lets you have several terminals seen at the same time on the console (works in X also)03:12
Jucatohm...03:12
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RawSewageI just use diff now03:12
Dr_willisTextWindowing Envruoment03:13
JucatoRawSewage: I can't verify right now. ran out of blank CD's and CD-RW's03:13
cellofellowDr_willis: oh, ok. I'd install it and try it out if apt-get wasn't updating atm03:13
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RawSewageJucato, I dont know about CDs, only DVDs03:13
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Zoohouse I downloaded all of edgy files via apt-get.. But now when it trys to install I get a box from xserver (Debconf on Blackbird) saying "Incorrect nice value Please enter an integer between -20 and 19." The buttons are help next and cancel. This is what came out in console: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28546/03:14
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Dr_willisheh03:14
Dr_williscellofellow,  not sure how well it works over ssh. :)03:14
judith_I have the beta release of Kubuntu 6.10. Will apt-get get me the latest release?03:15
Dr_willisjudith_,  yep03:15
Dr_willisthats how i did it03:15
felipe_can I upgrade to edgy from the Desktop CD? or is it only from the alternate CD ?03:15
Jucatojudith_: yes. just update you'll be fine03:15
Jucatofelipe_: no. only from the alternate install cd03:15
ZoohouseI upgraded to 6.10 but no when I install i get this error: (Debconf on Blackbird) saying "Incorrect nice value Please enter an integer between -20 and 19." The buttons are help next and cancel. This is what came out in console: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28546/03:16
ZoohouseWhat do I do?03:16
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rredd4when i apt-get dist-upgrade, it says03:16
rredd4No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.03:16
rredd40 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.03:16
rredd4Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used03:16
rredd4oops03:16
rredd4sorry03:16
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Dr_willisrredd4,  you seem to be upto date.03:16
Dr_willisyou did apt-get update first?03:16
rredd4yes03:17
Zoohouserredd4: did you edit the source list?03:17
rredd4no03:17
rredd4i have dapper03:17
Zoohouserredd4: you need to edit the source list. Replace dapper with edgy03:17
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ZoohouseOnce you do that, it will work03:17
rredd4how come no files downloaded?03:17
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cellofellowrredd4: none to download cause your dapper is up to speed.03:18
Zoohouserredd4: becuase you didn't edit the source list03:18
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rredd4ok03:18
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cellofellowDr_willis: apparently screen's copy and paste is similar to vi's, but I've never figured out how vi copy's and pastes03:19
Dr_williscellofellow,  lol :P03:19
campbch_ok, now i wouldn't mind that skim isn't working, or that i have to reconfigure it, but it is not killable and has no quit command.,03:20
Dr_willisi just use gpm and the mouse03:20
Zoohouserredd4: sudo vii /etc/apt/sources.list03:20
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campbch_:o the website says nothing03:20
Dr_williswell bbl03:20
Jucatooooh vi...03:20
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cellofellowDr_willis: I don't have gpm and am downloading edgy atm :(03:20
ubuntuHEEELLP!!! sudenlly kubuntu does not runn any more... i'm running from the live cd03:20
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Jucatocampbch_: can't kill it from Ctrl+Esc?03:20
cellofellowubuntu: calm down, what seems to be the problem?03:20
Zoohouseubuntu: backup your sys with the live cd and reinstall??? :)03:21
MarianoARGhi, I'm installing edgy. At the time of choosing mount points, it complains about no / specified...but it is. Any ideas? I heard is a bug in the installer03:21
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ubuntui don't know.... the screen show all things normally, but i never get even to the start screen03:22
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judith_MarianoARG: ther's no bug!03:22
ubuntuZoohouse: that a good idea03:22
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campbch_says insufficient permissions03:22
judith_just make sure you choose a root partition and swap.03:22
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MarianoARGjudith_: I did03:23
campbch_and now it says to make a file in autostart, which is not what i did before, and i went to make a file in vim...  then i figured i didn't know enough about it, hit q to quit, and its not quitting.03:23
Zoohouseubuntu: yup, and this way you will get experiance with backing up a sys and all... Might be handy in someother time. Maby someone can help you get kubuntu back though03:23
campbch_now i just kill the konsole, start from scratch? bad luck03:23
teledynthat's outrageously bad advice to tell someone to reinstall their OS because of a boot issue03:24
Zoohouseteledyn: your right, it is.03:24
ubuntummm, my lap-top only have on cd rw case... can i back up any way??03:24
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Zoohouseubuntu: whats the problem with the sys? Can you get into console? Can you log in via console?03:25
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LjLHobbsee, do you know anything about konversation aliases that isn't in the documentation? (i.e. everything ;)03:25
teledynubuntu: first go into the grub menu at the start of boot and remove the words quiet splash from the end of the kernel line03:25
campbch_ok, now it says to make a file with my locale in it, how do i know what locale i am? it's some sort of code, the example says fr_FR.UTF-803:25
jhutchinsThanks twosouls82.03:26
teledynubuntu: so you can see what is actually happening and where it hangs03:26
twosouls82for what?03:26
Lam_is there a way to get konqueror to have more customizable settings?  it seems rather lacking in comparison to firefox with preferences03:26
twosouls82:s03:26
JucatoLam_: what settings are you looking for?03:26
twosouls82jhutchins: did you do some design work?03:26
jhutchinstwosouls82: Answer about locale package.  Why it wasn't installed on dapper I don't know.03:26
Lam_lots of settings.  mostly random things that i set once in firefox and forget what they are03:27
twosouls82:D03:27
Lam_like cache options03:27
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ubuntuout of the live cd i only can get to linux03:27
twosouls82it was jhutchins, the version conflicted though03:27
twosouls82jhutchins: same happend me here03:27
twosouls82:)03:27
twosouls82but I didn't got scared by it03:27
jhutchinsAh.03:27
twosouls82s/got/get03:27
JucatoLam_: by cache options, you mean how much memory is used by the cache? Konqi has that03:27
jhutchinsI didn't figure it would be much trouble.03:27
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twosouls82:)03:28
jhutchinsWhat are folks doing for stuff that used to be in plf?03:28
lontrado i need to restart X for konqueror to see that i can have video previewing?03:28
Lam_Jucato: yeah. i'm aware of that, but i'm looking for something more in depth, like an ability to not save the cache for certain things, like passwords and forms03:28
twosouls82jhutchins: I upgraded, have it all03:28
twosouls82so alot of dapper shite works fine, I assume03:28
jhutchinsGot it before it went down, eh?03:28
JucatoLam_: passwords and forms are handled by KWallet, if you enabled it03:28
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twosouls82isit down?03:29
twosouls82over? finito?03:29
lontrawhy does knetworkmanager forget my WEP everytime i reboot?03:29
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jhutchinsYeah.  Mirrors just have a README file, packages.freewhatsit's offline (no DNS).03:29
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twosouls82:\03:29
danny500IE(1)                                                   IE(1)03:30
danny500NAME03:30
danny500        ie - Microsoft Internet Explorer03:30
danny500SYNOPSIS03:30
danny500        ie [ -acfghkp ]  [ -m alternate-passwd-file ]  [ -length of time ] 03:30
Lam_Jucato:  ok i guess i'll look more into it, but i think there was something in there that i couldn't find.  i'm on gnome right now, so i can't check03:30
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LjL!paste | danny50003:31
ubotudanny500: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)03:31
danny500Oops sorry, It wasn't that big though03:31
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rredd4I changed my sources.list to edgy.  then i typed aptitude dist-upgrade.  besides what installed packages it is going to install, it says that my score is -588.   accept this solution y/n?03:32
LjLdanny500, well, apparently it was big enough to get you flooded out from the server, though :D03:32
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rredd4actually i typed aptitude update first03:32
cellofellowrredd4: I ran into that. I used apt-get instead no problems03:32
danny500I just found something funny making fun of the Idea of Internet Explore on Linux03:32
danny500go to http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/ielinux.html03:32
rredd4cellofellow  ok, i will try03:32
danny500It's the Linu IE user guide03:32
LjLheh03:32
lontraanyone used flash 9 beta on kubuntu and had good luck?03:32
rredd4cellofellow in sudo or root?03:33
Jucato!flash 903:33
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html03:33
Jucatoerr...03:33
cellofellowrredd4: sudo's fine03:33
Jucato!flash903:33
ubotuFlash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)03:33
Jucatolontra: ^^^03:33
lontraJucato: sweet :D03:33
danny500Flashplayer 9 beta It works great03:33
cellofellowlontra: I've heard some good things about it, no complaints on here that I've seen.03:33
thami_is there opera browser for kubuntu?03:33
cellofellow!opera | thami__03:33
ubotuthami__: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser03:33
cellofellow!opera | thami_03:33
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ubotuthami_: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser03:33
danny500I used to have probs with websites using fp8 but not no more03:33
danny500http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/ielinux.html03:34
domman, my apt-get dist-upgrade to edgy didn't go so good.  kept complaining about various packages and trying to remove kubuntu-desktop03:34
thami_cheers ubotu03:34
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InteliWaspthami_: try useing !botsnack03:35
cellofellowthami_: ubotu's a bot03:35
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InteliWaspoh god... 10 hours to go...03:36
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wildchildI need to install java on kubuntu..03:36
cellofellowInteliWasp: 4.5 hours03:37
wildchild!java03:37
cellofellowInteliWasp: for me03:37
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository03:37
thami_ok thank you 203:37
danny500whats better? LimeWire or Ktorrent?03:37
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cellofellowwildchild: don't use adept, you have to use aptitude or apt-get03:37
InteliWaspmy isp hates me... they think i am a software pirate...03:37
soulrider!java03:37
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository03:37
lontranice knotes :D03:37
LjLdanny500: neither. they're just completely different, AFAIK... one is a client to the Gnutella network, the other is a BitTorrent client03:37
soulrider!opera03:37
ubotuopera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser03:37
soulrider!easysource03:38
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic03:38
cellofellowdanny500: never had problems with ktorrent and never tried LimeWire.03:38
danny500Yeah but they do the same thing, download content, which one would you prefer to use?03:38
LjLdanny500: about limewire, you could probably consider alternatives such whatever comes up when you type "apt-cache search gnutella", or frostwire03:38
LjLdanny500, i'd prefer to use KTorrent because it's a nice integrated KDE application.03:39
cellofellowtorrent is ok with me. more people more selection faster downloads.03:39
thami_!botsnack03:39
ubotuYum!03:39
danny500!botsnack03:39
cellofellowhappy bot03:39
lontrawell i've been using sid for sometime and i'm quite impressed with kubuntu so far.  the only thing i wish was a nearer snapshot of emacs :D03:40
cellofellow!botsnack03:40
ubotuYum!03:40
cellofellowfat bot03:40
danny500lol03:40
danny500!slapbot03:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about slapbot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:40
wildchildcellofellow: sudo apt-get install java ??03:40
max_did the stable of Edgy release today?03:40
danny500tobad03:40
LjLmax_: yes03:40
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lontracellofellow: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre03:40
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suddsePut kuickshow back, guys.03:41
danny500good for InteliWasp03:41
lontrawhy oo.org2 and not koffice by default?03:41
danny500no one cares03:41
cellofellowlontra: huh?03:41
cellofellowwildchild: what lontra said.03:41
Jucatolontra: the greaty mysterious question of the century :P03:41
lontracellofellow: sorry :/03:41
wildchildaha ok..03:41
lontraoo.org2 is a fat PIG03:42
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lontrakoffice is a slimer piglet03:42
Jucatosuddse: dang you weren't around when most of the devs were around... missed your chance to ask :(03:42
cellofellowlontra: I got it to run faster when using sun java vs. gnu java03:42
lontracellofellow: oo.org2?03:42
JucatoOO.o 2.003:43
suddse; (03:43
jarnWhenever I go to the printers section in kcontrol, it tells me that the cups server is not installed, but it is. What is going on? :/03:43
cellofellowlontra: yes03:43
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jarnIt says "Connection to the CUPS server failed."03:44
jarnSo not that it's not installed, but that it couldn't connect.03:44
cellofellowjarn: either you've been bugging people for hours, or you're the second guy with that problem.03:44
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Jucato3rd guy, iirc03:44
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jarnI doubt it.03:44
jarnAbout once an hour I say it again.03:45
motorheadhai03:45
jarnSo far, you're the first person to respond.03:45
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cellofellowjarn: try http://localhost:631 to see if you CAN connect03:45
jarnI think it was probably all just me.03:45
max_can anyone in here help with Wine? no one is responding in the wine channel03:45
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jarnI connected.03:45
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jhutchinsjarn: Well, there ya go.03:45
cellofellowjarn: hmm... :/03:45
Hirvinenmax_: That's a meta question. A question about asking a question, which is rather pointless.03:46
jarnSo kcontrol can't, but I can.03:46
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JucatoMotorhead: ah ok :)03:46
max_Hirvinen: no need to get smart, im just tying to see if anyone can help03:46
Jucatolol03:46
cellofellowjarn: mmhm. you can use that website to control CUPS, but you need to set it up first. anybody know how to set up CUPS to be web controlled?03:46
Motorheadwatashi wa!03:46
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rredd4domo arigato03:47
jhutchinscellofellow: I found it with google.03:47
jhutchinsNeed to juggle some group memeberships iirc.03:47
cellofellowjhutchins: what?03:47
jarncellofellow: I certainly don't. :/03:48
jhutchinsubuntu locks the admin functions out.03:48
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ubuntu_sorry i fell down03:48
jhutchinsjust google ubuntu cups admin03:48
ubuntu_my lap-top only have on cd rw case... can i back up any way??03:48
cellofellowjhutchins: tell jarn03:48
jhutchinsjarn: just google ubuntu cups admin03:48
Hirvinenmax_: And nobody's going to tell you that they are Wine gurus who know everything about it and you should just ask them. However, if you ask your question, someone who has had a similar problem might see it and help you or give you some directions to relevant documentation.03:48
rredd4how do i turn off the join and left messages in  konversation?03:49
jarnjhutchins: Will do.03:49
cellofellowmax_: don;t look at me. I've only used google's picasa which uses it's own pre-configured wine.03:49
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dennistergood evening all03:50
soulriderhi03:50
soulrider!audio03:50
cellofellowrredd4: in your "identity" settings, just set them to black03:50
cellofellowblank03:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:51
rredd4ok03:51
cellofellow!anything03:51
soulridermy sound quality is quite crappy03:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:51
cellofellowstupid bot03:51
soulriderdo i need to install any aditional drivers?03:51
cellofellowsoulrider: also should take care of most sound cards and speakers. most...03:51
cellofellowalsa03:51
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jhutchins!codecs03:52
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:52
soulriderwell, my sounds is on board03:52
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soulriderworks perfectly well on windows and suse03:52
cellofellowjhutchins: whatya trying to play?03:52
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soulriderbut on kubuntu it sounds noisy03:52
jhutchinsI'm fine.03:52
dennisteris there a staffer available in tis channel now?03:52
jhutchinsI'm on Mandriva.03:52
cellofellowsoulrider: onboard sound cards are still sound cards.03:53
BlackenVMware player/server and Edgy--anyone tried to install it?03:53
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cellofellowsoulrider: usually there's no MIDI or digigtal sound03:53
jhutchinsMy Dapper box won't play some wma's.  On one amarok will show activity on the analyser but no sound.03:53
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dennister!staffer03:53
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about staffer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:53
AbortDhow can i backup a cd?03:53
soulrideruhm, no sun-java -jdk in the repos? =/03:53
jhutchinsBlacken: I know of people who have.03:53
cellofellowI've never gotten quicktime .mov to work03:53
AbortDin sound juicer can i just extract?03:54
Blackenjhutchins: It complains about a bad libpng.03:54
Blackenjhutchins: Google's not helping me. :/03:54
cellofellowsoulrider: it's sun-java5-jdk03:54
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soulrideri know03:54
soulriderbut only JRE is there03:54
soulriderand i need jdk03:54
cellofellowsoulrider: odd03:54
soulrideryeah03:54
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dennisterdoes anyone know who the staffers are?03:55
wildchildo_O03:55
soulriderwhats a staffer? =/03:55
Motorheadwhats a staffer?03:55
jarnjhutchins: Well, I added my printer. It just doesn't seem to work.03:55
dennisterstaffers are the users who administrate this channel...they can kick and ban ppl03:55
cellofellowdennister: like canonical employees? I don't think there are any on the IRC, it's a community support.03:55
Motorheadoh03:55
soulriderah, an op?03:56
AbortDdennister its ops03:56
soulridermaybe the bot knows03:56
soulrider!op03:56
ubotuHelp! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist03:56
AbortD!03:56
AbortDthen ops03:56
AbortDoh03:56
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dennistergreat...thx03:56
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Hawkwindsoulrider:  ??03:56
soulridererr03:56
gnomefreaksoulrider: ?03:56
soulridersomeone needed an op03:56
AbortDdennister03:56
soulriderdennister: Hawkwind is an op03:56
gnomefreakwho did?03:56
AbortDi was harassing him03:56
Hawkwinddennister: Need something ?03:56
dennisterHawkwind: can i speak to u about something private?03:56
Motorheadit shows me kick commands...03:56
Hawkwinddennister: Sure03:56
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gnomefreakHawkwind: ty03:57
soulrideri hope i didnt cause a mess =/03:57
cellofellowAbortD: dennester03:57
Hawkwindgnomefreak: No worries :)03:57
cellofellowAbortD: dennister's a she03:57
dennisterabortD03:57
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AbortDso?03:57
dennisterAbortD03:57
AbortDwhy do people keep saying my name?03:57
Motorheadlol, tried to kick myself03:57
cellofellowAbortD: you said he03:57
dennisterlol...03:57
AbortDoh well03:57
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AbortDi'll prolly do it again too03:58
shadowhywindso i upgrade to firefox 2.0 + edge eft, now when ever i get a flash wepage it crashs03:58
Motorheaddoes anyone here has kubuntu on a dell d610??03:58
Motorheadhave*03:58
wildchildI've installed sun-java5-jre  but still it rewuests To install additional plugins :S03:59
wildchildrewuest=request03:59
cellofellowwildchild: you also want the sun-java5-plugin package for FF.03:59
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cellofellowhow do I move a process from one screen (in screen) to another? (are there any CLI gurus here?)04:00
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soulrideri need to install the java 5 JDK04:01
soulriderbut it snot in the damn repos =/04:01
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cellofellowsoulrider: you sure it's jdk and not jre?04:01
charwoodJDK - Java Development Kit04:01
charwoodJRE - Java Runtime Environment04:01
cellofellowbut it's SDK for the compilers and stuff.04:02
cellofellow!java | soulrider04:02
ubotusoulrider: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository04:02
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soulrideryes, i need to develop, i need JDK04:02
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cellofellowsoulrider: no, sdk04:03
cellofellowsoulrider: I have sdk installed, no problems. jdk not exist cause you want sdk04:03
soulriderstill04:03
soulriderthere sonly JDE in the repos04:03
soulriderJRE*04:03
Motorheadeclipse?04:03
cellofellowsoulrider: really, no SDK?04:03
soulrideryeah, eclipse too :P04:03
Motorheadoh wait, i saw IDE XD04:03
soulriderreally04:03
Motorheadeclipse owns04:03
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Motorheadya04:04
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charwoodme tries his very hardest not to start a java vs. c++ flamewar.04:04
Motorheadstart with c++04:04
charwoodYou know what i mean.  (-804:04
Motorheadlol04:04
cellofellowcharwood: C++ is speeeeeeeeedier, as far as I know.04:04
Motorheadjava is cool too04:04
cellofellowI'm doing C04:04
Motorheadc rox04:04
xsachajava sucks04:05
cellofellowdoing=learning.04:05
Motorheaderr04:05
cellofellowI'm still in chapter 1 of The C Programming Language04:05
charwoodSay, I'm having trouble getting xserver-xgl.  All the (k)ubuntu forums I've read make it sound like it should exist in default edgy repositories, but I apt can't locate it.04:05
charwoodAny hints/04:05
Motorheadbtw04:05
Motorheaddo you recomend me that book?04:05
Motorheadi wanna learn some raw c :)04:05
cellofellow!xserver-xgl edgy04:05
ubotuxserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB04:05
cellofellowMotorhead: I think it04:05
Motorheadhow do you write in red letters? :S04:06
cellofellowMotorhead: it's ok, if you already know some programming stuff.04:06
charwoodJava is great for learning OOP programming.  It's a far more pure language than C++.  It's a good thing that you're starting there cello (in my humble opinion).04:06
DBOMotorhead, he said your name04:06
wildchildis there any server experts..04:06
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BonBonTheJon_wildchild: whats your question04:06
wildchild2.6.9-10.cc (what kind of linux is this)04:06
wildchildmy server :P04:07
BlackenOOP is not a good place to start. Structured first, then OOP.04:07
hazard2Motorhead....that's an awsome name.04:07
Motorheadindeed04:07
wildchilddidn't install it04:07
charwoodcellofellow: What exactly does it mean that it is 'optional' in the component universe?  That a repository can be 'official' and not have it?04:07
BonBonTheJon_wildchild: where are you getting that from04:07
hazard2I have a computer called wirehead, its all full of wires (and 14 harddrives)04:07
wildchilduname -r04:07
xsachaouch, that's old wildchild :P04:07
wildchildBonBonTheJon_ that's my router/server04:07
xsachaoh04:07
charwoodBlacken; Agreed.  I assumed that he could do BASIC or perl or something like that.04:07
cellofellowcharwood: optional means not on the CD, universe is the universe repo which isn't enabled by default04:07
xsachathought that was old for kubuntu :P04:08
wildchildI know it's old; but its' damn stable :S04:08
cellofellow!universe04:08
wildchild:D*04:08
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu04:08
charwoodAh, so I should add universe to my sources.04:08
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BonBonTheJon_wildchild: that is just the kernel number, do you mean which distro?04:08
wildchildBonBonTheJon_: yes04:08
cellofellowcharwood: it's there, but commented04:08
charwoodcellofellow: Sure enough.  Thanks.04:08
Motorheadcya all soon04:09
cellofellowcharwood: before you can download, make sure to apt-get update04:09
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xsachawildchild: uname -a ? :)04:09
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charwoodcellofellow: Roger that.04:09
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wildchildLinux router.router.lan 2.6.9-10.cc #1 Sun Mar 6 11:02:57 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linu04:09
wildchild;)04:09
xsachaClarkConnect wildchild?04:09
wildchildyes04:09
wildchildcarkconnect..04:09
HobbseeLjL: no, but #konversation tends to04:09
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wildchildI wanna to install that kind of server on another machine..04:10
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wildchildI need to know where can i pick up some notes, tutorials etc.04:10
xsachahttp://www.clarkconnect.com/04:10
BonBonTheJon_wildchild: you can install ubuntu on a server04:10
BonBonTheJon_wildchild: thats what I do04:10
LjLHobbsee: oki. do they bite? :)04:10
wildchildlike ubuntu server?04:10
BonBonTheJon_wildchild: yup04:10
wildchildhow about protection?04:10
hazard2I prefer bare debian for serverage.04:11
hazard2(then again, my servers are worefully underpowered, and non-critical)04:11
BonBonTheJon_hazard2: how underpowered, my home server is 500MHz04:11
HobbseeLjL: only sometimes04:12
Hobbsee:P04:12
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hazard2my primary webserver is a 166mhz P104:12
wildchildhow do I chec uptime on my server beside clarkconnect04:12
LjLwell then i'll be bitten tomorrow, bed time for now04:12
BonBonTheJon_wildchild: uptime04:12
wildchild 04:12:35 up 49 days,  6:19,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.0704:12
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wildchildand this is even bad..04:12
wildchildI wanna know what debian is this..04:13
intelikeyanyone know howto get twmrc to load an external menufile ?04:13
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hazard2BonBonTheJon_ my primary fileserver is slightly faster, being weighed in at 300mhz....P2...(with its 14 harddrives)04:13
BonBonTheJon_hazard2: how much space is that04:13
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BonBonTheJon_wildchild: what do you mean04:14
intelikeyfrom looking in /etc/X11/twm/  i'm sure it can be done but i've failed as of yet to figure out how.   anyone ?04:14
hazard2Umm...since they're all junk drives, its about 400Gb...04:14
wildchildI can only get version if I type uname -a04:14
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obf213how do i get computer to play out of usb speakers04:14
hazard2(380something unformatted I think, as of the last total I can remember anyway)04:14
intelikey!sound | obf21304:14
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ubotuobf213: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin04:14
BonBonTheJon_hazard2: I have mine in a RAID, so I only have 150GB04:15
intelikeymaybe that will help ya....04:15
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wildchildI have only 7gb on my PIII server :P04:15
lontraso i just rebooted and my emacs fonts got all screwed up for no reason04:15
wildchildbut 265sdr ram ;)04:15
hazard2My G4 tower on the other hand presently has 400GB internally, and an external 250Gig drive.04:15
wildchildit's fast for the router ;))04:15
obf213no that doesnt help,04:15
hazard2(which makes it more servery than my fileserver, but still the fileserver was free, 380GB of space for free isn't a bad deal)04:16
obf213ive done it before i think, i need the adress of the usb speakr mahybe it was something like hw 1,004:16
intelikeywildchild i have a p1 with ubuntu on it that only has 610m04:16
obf213i cant remember04:16
wildchildintelikey: I know; it's more than I need..04:16
hazard2I should also mention that my 166mhz webserver only has 96mb ram, (old EDO modules).04:16
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wildchildintelikey: I am gonna to install something on p1 I just don't know what04:17
wildchildyet04:17
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lontraany ideas what could have happened?  i can't even read my fonts now04:17
chopindoes compiz install oob?04:17
intelikeyhazard2 my p1 has 64m ram04:17
wildchild!ubuntuserver04:17
AbortDn/j #themanaworld04:17
hazard2The biggest reason I don't find a better machine, is because a better machine would need a working CPU fan (which ALWAYS burn out on me, P1s really don't)04:17
AbortDer04:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:17
wildchild!ubuntu server04:17
chopin!compiz04:17
ubotuCompiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems04:17
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wildchildintelikey what debian do u use?04:17
wildchildintelikey on the serv04:18
Fureshookay. i'm playin with a hello world program in gcc (version 3.3). so, i type: gcc-3.3 -o test test.cpp  ... and as a result i get this message: cannot exec 'cc1plus': No such file or directory  ... anybody got any clues what's wrong here?04:18
intelikeyubuntu04:18
intelikeyubuntu-server04:18
hazard2you should only need 'gcc test.cpp -o test && ./test'04:18
hazard2if that dosen't work, somethings wrong with your compiler configuration04:18
hazard2(one of the compiler related packages is missing or not installed)04:18
charwoodFuresho: Sounds like the command 'gcc-3.3' is linked to a nonexistant command.  Try using g++ or gcc04:18
LeeJunFanFuresho: sounds like you're missing g++, for compiling c++ programs.04:19
intelikey!b-e04:19
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)04:19
hazard2(specifically the one that installs the link from your gcc version to the 'gcc' command04:19
TehUnii'm trying to install kubuntu on my laptop, but it stops before i get to the desktop and boots me to a terminal, complaining about my video. Running startx complains about my resolution. I'm using intel built-in graphics on an inspiron 640m with the truelife (high-res) screen. i've tried safe graphics mode, and i've tried manually setting xorg.conf to 800x600 then restarting, but no luck with whatever i try. any ideas?04:19
Fureshog++ huh? lemme check that out.04:19
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intelikey!gcc-g++04:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gcc-g++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:20
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LeeJunFanTehUni: try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it should ask you questions to basically manually set up your X for your hardware.04:20
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hazard2Furesho: unless your hellow world program is REALLY complicated, you shouldn't need to have it be .cpp04:20
hazard2just .c will work fine04:20
TehUniLeeJunFan: i've tried that, but it says no such package.04:21
Fureshosince i have gcc-3.3, does it really matter what version of g++ i get? it seems that adept has like 4 or 5 different versions of it04:21
TehUnii think it boots me out before it gets to it.04:21
intelikeyTehUni add -plow  if it doesn't ask enough Q's04:21
hazard2(I've had .cpp on files that didn't need it before and gcc gets confused.04:21
TehUnii've also tried to apt-get xserver-xorg, but no dice.04:21
Fureshooh.04:21
Furesholemme try that first then....04:21
dennisterwildchild: inteliikey: u had some questions about ubuntu-server? i'm a bit slow04:21
hazard2Furesho: remember to try just using 'gcc' though04:21
LeeJunFanTehUni: what happens when you try to install xserver-xorg?04:22
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intelikeydennister afik just comparing notes04:22
TehUniLeeJunFan: sec, i'm booting again04:22
Fureshothat gives like an unknown command or somethin like that. that was the first thing i tried04:22
dennisteri have it installed here, so I might be able to help...not sure...ok04:22
hazard2how'd you install gcc?04:22
Fureshoadept04:23
intelikeysudo apt-get install build-essential04:23
hazard2Yea, did you dot hat or pick specific gcc related packages?04:23
LeeJunFan!build04:23
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)04:23
dennisterhi LeeJunFan04:24
Furesho"dot hat"? not sure what that means, but when i installed gcc-3.3, i think it also downloaded & installed like two other things. can't remember what they were tho cuz i did the install like a week ago. :\04:24
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hazard2Furesho04:25
intelikeytty24 [root@~]  rm -fr /usr/share/themes /usr/share/doc*04:25
intelikeytty24 [root@~] 04:25
intelikeydo you think that will hurt anything?04:25
hazard2open a terminal and do sudo apt-get install build-essential04:25
Fureshookay.04:26
LeeJunFandennister: going to be a busy next few days I suppose :)04:26
dennisteri still have this problem with apache2 not being able to bind to port 443 (OpenSSH server)...and thus can't start up at boot or with any other method...can anyone help me with this?04:26
Fureshojust so i know, what is that gonna do?04:26
dennisterLeeJunFan: oh yes? why?04:26
lontrai am running a dell inspiron 1100 laptop...when i close my lid the screeen doesn't lock but i told it to, any ideas why?04:26
hazard2it *should* install and configure ALL the packages you'll need to get gcc working correctly04:26
LeeJunFandennister: new releases bring more people04:26
Fureshoahhh. okay.04:27
hazard2(rather than just for example 'gcc-3.3' without configuring it or any of its support stuff04:27
LeeJunFandennister: your system got hacked.04:27
hazard2)04:27
szyszejahi04:27
dennisterahhh yes...logical...i heard about mozilla changing its naming rules, too04:27
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dennisterLeeJunFan: really? i don't think so...i think it was something i did04:27
TehUnisweet!04:27
LeeJunFandennister: I had that exact thing happen to me the other day, a brute force attack by ftp, uploaded a php script to the public_html dir which when ran created an sshd server in /tmp04:27
szyszejahow can i fix this :::::::::::::::::::::::>  The following packages have unmet dependencies:04:27
TehUniLeeJunFan: thanks alot, it's working now04:27
szyszeja  kubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed04:27
TehUnimust've made a typo last time somehow04:28
LeeJunFanTehUni: cool.04:28
TehUniLeeJunFan: will just running startx allow me to continue the installation?04:28
intelikey!repos > szyszeja04:28
dennisterLeeJunFan: why anyone would want to hack me i don't know...but what do i do now?04:28
LeeJunFanTehUni: unfortunately I don't know. I've not done much with the desktop version of the installer, I always use the alternate.04:28
TehUniwelp, i've got the install icon so i guess i'm good04:29
LeeJunFandennister: check your /tmp dir for anything suspicious like sshd first (if it's the same one).04:29
hazard2Furesho any luck?04:29
TehUnii told xserver to use 800x600 so i'll have to figure out after it's installed how to get hi-res04:29
TehUniother than that, i guess i'm set04:29
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LeeJunFandennister: netstat -pantl | grep :443 will show you the pid and proc name of what's bound to 443.04:30
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LeeJunFandennister: then ps xauw | grep [that pid]  should show you the path and other info of where that program was started from.04:31
LeeJunFandennister: if sshd is bound to that port, and it's started from anywhere other than /usr/sbin/sshd then it's suspicious.04:32
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LeeJunFandennister: do you run an ftp server on that system?04:32
Fureshoseems that did the trick. thanks hazard04:32
dennisterno, i don't run an ftp server04:33
hazard2no problem04:33
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LeeJunFandennister: well, that doesn't rule it out. Mostly just curious.04:33
LeeJunFandennister: what do you find after running the netstat and ps from above?04:34
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dennisterok...there's a locked folder in my /tmp...04:34
nick01why does kubuntu need 256 mb of ram for ? (not that I don't have it) it needs it only for the installer or for KDE too ? if its for KDE what the heck was used to fatten it ? :P04:34
hazard2all the pretty stuff?04:35
h3sp4wnnick01: It is unusable with 256mb even04:35
hazard2Though I've got 512 and it still takes forever to load things most of the time (given my harddrive sucks)04:35
dennisterit's called file:///tmp/2031557029...and even as root i can't get in04:35
LeeJunFannick01: I run xgl and beryl with less ram than that AND I have apache, vsfptd, sshd, mysql and other turds running, and I still don't boot up to 256M used.04:35
nick01that's unbeliveble- the lead dev of arklinux told me ark works even on 64 mb ram04:35
nick01LeeJunFan: with KDE ?04:36
hazard2KDE is memory happy?04:36
LeeJunFandennister: crap, sounds possible yours is even worse. Maybe a rootkit or just a tricky dir name.04:36
LeeJunFannick01: yeah.04:36
dennisterthere's also something else in /tmp...a directory called ssh-RHwvbI5077, with an agent.5077 file in it04:36
LeeJunFanI think I use about 230 with all that stuff running.04:36
hazard2if they're in /tmp, restart and see if they go away...04:36
LeeJunFandennister: that might be legit. ssh does create files in /tmp04:36
dennisterok...but that numbered directory i can't get into...even as root...that's very suspicious04:37
intelikeyis it a dir or a socket ?04:37
intelikeyls -l04:37
LeeJunFandennister: if you do the netstat and ps it should tell you exactly where the ssh that's taking port 443 is located at.04:37
nick01I still have to decide what to put on my ibook g3 300- last time I tried KDE on it konqueror started very slowly unlike nautilus04:38
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LeeJunFandennister: yeah, check what intellikey said too, what are the perms of that dir you can't get into? ls -l04:38
dennisteri did the netstat and got:tcp6       0      0 :::443                  :::*                    LISTEN     5                 069/apache204:38
h3sp4wnnick01: the kde in debian has alot less of the slow down related things in it04:38
dennisterbut it's certainly not MY apache, which can't start or bind to 44304:39
LeeJunFandennister: then try ps xauw | grep 506904:39
nick01ok I downloaded ubuntu 6.10 already I'll get kubuntu live cd too and compare04:39
dennisterthe ps xauw | grep got me 3 lines04:39
bLaZeDanyone have a clue what this is about? http://pastebin.ulteo.us/18504:40
LeeJunFandennister: just the one with the exact pid.04:40
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dennisterall aparently started by root04:40
LeeJunFandennister: second column04:40
LeeJunFandennister: what path to apache does the last column have listed?04:40
HawkwindbLaZeD: apt-cache search mplayer04:41
dennisternumber is 607004:41
dennisterfor the line that ends with grep 069 in last column04:41
LeeJunFandennister: we just care about the one that = 5069 in the second column.04:41
nick01why couldn;'t they put some icons on the desktop ? :|04:41
bLaZeDHawkwind, mplayer is listed there04:41
nick01hi Hawkwind :)04:42
dennisterok, the path is /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL...that's the 5069 pid04:42
HawkwindbLaZeD: Maybe you don't have all the right sources setup then04:42
intelikeybLaZeD looks kinda like a repos issue04:42
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LeeJunFandennister: sounds legit then, perhaps for some reason your apache just didn't kill itself right when you stopped it? reloaded it.04:42
intelikey!repos > bLaZeD04:42
LeeJunFandennister: you did /etc/init.d/apache2 stop?04:42
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bLaZeDintelikey, theres nothing on there about edgy04:43
dennisterk...i stopped it...it said ok04:43
HawkwindbLaZeD: Maybe you should pastebin your sources.list04:43
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intelikeybLaZeD so replace word dapper with word edgy and go bLaZeD04:44
bLaZeDhere is my sources.list http://pastebin.ulteo.us/18604:44
Hawkwindintelikey: He's already using Edgy04:44
intelikeyyes04:44
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LeeJunFandennister: now try the same line only instead of stop use start04:44
intelikeyand ?04:44
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jerpI'm a major newb to linux and need help to log onto my isp (Comcast)04:44
Jucatohi intelikey04:44
dennistersince it did stop ok, i tried to start it again, but got the same old error: can't bind to address [::] 443...fail04:44
nick01I don't suppose kubuntu acuired a module of some sort to configure tv tuners ?04:44
HawkwindbLaZeD: Get rid of the us.  on every line you see04:44
intelikeysay Jucato04:44
HawkwindbLaZeD: Use just archive.ubuntu.com or something like se.archive.ubuntu.com04:45
Napawhere can I make the ROOT user? :p04:45
LeeJunFandennister: okay, stop it again, then do killall -9 apache204:45
bLaZeDis it .com or org04:45
LeeJunFandennister: then start it again.04:45
dennisterit continues to say, "no listening ports available"...k will do04:45
bLaZeDnm04:45
bLaZeDi see now04:45
HawkwindbLaZeD: Remove just the us.04:45
NapaI need to be root to install my printer04:45
intelikeydeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse04:45
intelikey!sudo > Napa04:46
LeeJunFanNapa: why? you shouldnt need root to install printers.04:46
LeeJunFanNapa: you just need your current user to be in lpadmin group.04:46
dennistersuccess! it asked for my passphrase and then said OK :)04:47
intelikeyalso of not there is already a "root" on ever linux system04:47
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dennisterLeeJunFan: TY! ty! ty!04:47
intelikeys/not/note/04:47
HawkwindbLaZeD: Also take note you do not have multiverse setup for your sources. Only for backports it appears04:47
LeeJunFandennister: yer welcome.04:47
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dennisternow i think i should reboot to see if it will load properly at boot04:47
bLaZeDhuh04:47
bLaZeDk04:47
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NapaLeeJunFan: how do I change my user then?04:48
HawkwindNapa: Just use sudo before your command04:48
dennisterbe back soon folks04:48
LeeJunFanNapa: you can just use sudo [command] , or sudo -i to become root.04:48
jerpdoes anyone have a site to help me get my computer to see the cable modem that's connected via USB?04:49
intelikeynapa could also read the page ubotu mentioned in PM04:49
LeeJunFanNapa: however you have to be logged in as the first user you created during startup to have access to root via sudo.04:49
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NapaLeeJunFan:  yes .. I guess I have onlye created one user04:49
mr_daemonHello04:50
Naparoot@thomas-desktop:~#04:50
LeeJunFanNapa: normally (as long as you are logged in as the first created user) you can do all your printer admin thru the kcontrol panel or system settings.04:50
LeeJunFanNapa: it will prompt you for a password when it needs it.04:50
LeeJunFanNapa: to become root.04:50
mr_daemonI'm having problems booting the new edgy eft livecd... somehow it doesn't seem to detect my Cinema Display properly, unlike Dapper...04:50
LeeJunFanNapa: at which point you enter the passwd of your current user.04:50
NapaLeeJunFan: I donloaded drivers from samsung.com .... followed the instructions .. but it told me I had to be logged in as root04:50
LeeJunFanNapa: no, you dont.04:51
mr_daemonThere's that, plus there's the fact that it's absurdly slow... I have no clue why04:51
LeeJunFanNapa: is it just a .ppd file?04:51
Napahmm .. hold on one sec04:51
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dennisterreport: apache still didn't load properly at boot..I didn't get asked for my passphrase04:52
intelikeymr_daemon heh04:52
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LeeJunFandennister: you'd be better off generating a key that doesn't require one, it's a pain in the !@#@!04:53
intelikeykids  !@#@! == foot  .04:53
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intelikey:)04:53
dennisterbut i have no problem remembering the passphrase04:53
LeeJunFanintelikey: right, that's it.04:54
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dennisterand something is still preventing apache & ssh to load properly at boot04:54
Jucatoanyone knows if irssi can do beeps?04:54
intelikeyJucato yes on channel and/or pm iirc04:55
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Jucatointelikey: err how do I set it up? (I'm on irssi right now)04:55
LeeJunFandennister: but it screws up automatic startup. It won't stop boot to ask you a passphrase because it's going to start many things at that S level at the same time, and it probably just goes by before you see it. And/or you have to remove quiet and splash bootparams from grubs menu.lst if you want to see it anyway.04:55
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intelikeyJucato but it's through the pc speaker i think  you may not want it.       if i recall you do a  /set beep'something' on       /set should list it.04:56
Jucatointelikey: ah ok. anything as long as it's a beep :P04:56
LeeJunFandennister: it's probably actually still waiting for a passphrase, but the opportunity for you to enter it is past.04:56
NapaI get a messagebox when I run #./cdroot/autorun    saying "you're not autorized to install the driver package only user with root privilegies is allowed to do this - installation cannot be copleted now."04:56
m_Can someone help me upgrade to edgy? I tried adding the cdrom repository to my sources.list file but it's still downloading the updates from the web04:56
LeeJunFandennister: best bet is to either do away with the passphrase or don't have apache load on startup, just start it manually after boot.04:57
NapaSo I guess I need to give my user root privilegies04:57
dennisteri'm not sure that i understand...b4 last night it did stop the booting to ask for passphrase, and then continued...now it doesn't, and i'll have to do the killall command every time i boot04:57
intelikeyJucato there are others that just love irssi  they should be able to tell you  prezactly what to look for.     i use bx.04:57
LeeJunFanNapa: that autorun probably isn't for linux.04:57
LeeJunFanNapa: what model printer do you have?04:58
Jucatointelikey: hehe.. I'm waiting for those "others"04:58
NapaLeeJunFan:  yes it is04:58
Ash-FoxShame java webstart is still foobared in this new version.04:58
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LeeJunFanNapa: there's no need to run a script to add a printer, and personally I wouldn't trust it to not mess up my cups config.04:58
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Jucatoheheh04:59
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NapaLeeJunFan: Ok .. is it possible to get my laserprinter to work any other ways?04:59
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jamiehas anyone gotten evdo working under kubuntu?04:59
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Jucatointelikey: no takers :)04:59
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Jucatoit's ok :P04:59
LeeJunFanNapa: what's the make/model04:59
NapaSamsung ML-2571N05:00
jamiei actually get a connection (seems to work great) with a remote ip, local ip, and remote dns servers, but can't ping the remote ip or anything beyond it..05:00
intelikeyhmmmm well  if dr_willis was around he could answer ya Jucato05:00
Napawith network05:00
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daveyji accidentally broke my X i think05:00
jamieprobably just a pppd problem...05:00
daveyjsomething changed since my last reboot apparently because it was working fine last time05:00
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LeeJunFanjamie: run 'ip route' and see if you have a default line05:00
daveyjwont load glx05:00
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morghanphoenixIs there a way to update KDE with apt and not do the full edgy thing?05:01
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LeeJunFanNapa: ugh, linuxprinting.org printer listing page doesn't load with konqueror or firefox, seems broken. Are you sure your printer isn't listed when you go into system settings/printers and add a printer?05:02
jamienope..05:02
yonkeltronif i have an AMD64 turion, do i really need the 64bit kubuntu install cd?05:03
jamieLeeJunFan: nope, don't.. (i mean, it's through my eth1, not ppp0)05:03
felixjethow can i extract a CD from unit button instead of umount it first from linux?05:03
morghanphoenixthe regular version works on 64s, or so I've heard, have an athlon myself.05:03
LeeJunFanjamie: either way - you need a default gw to get past your next hop.05:03
jamieLeeJunFan: should it point at my local ip or the remote?05:04
LeeJunFanjamie: remote.05:04
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NapaI'll retry05:04
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LeeJunFanjamie: sudo ip route add default via [ip of your router or next hop] 05:04
daveyj:(05:04
jamieLeeJunFan: have to disconnect to try it, brb ;-)05:05
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Napait found 2570 .... I guess that will work05:05
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LeeJunFanNapa: yeah, I was going to suggest that too, it probably will.05:05
intelikeyyonkeltron you can use the 32 bit if you like05:05
LeeJunFanNapa: if linuxprinting.org was working that'd likely have our answer.05:05
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LeeJunFanNapa: if that doesn't work perhaps there's a .ppd file somewhere on that CD, that's really all you need. If you had the .ppd file when kde asks you for a driver you just hit the button for the driver, and point to that ppd file.05:08
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lontra!mirrors05:08
ubotuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive05:08
felixjethow can i extract a CD from unit button instead of umount it first from linux?05:08
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intelikeyfelixjet syntax error in question.05:09
LeeJunFanfelixjet: use a paper clip.05:09
felixjetintelikey: yea sorry english is not my main language05:10
LeeJunFanfelixjet: you can't just pop open the CD tray, you have to unmount first.05:10
felixjeti mean, when i click on the phisical button of the CD to eject it05:10
intelikeyfelixjet use the "eject" command05:10
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felixjetit dont works05:10
moffa"eject cdrom"05:10
felixjeti must use eject comman from linux05:10
LeeJunFanfelixjet: something is probably still using it.05:10
LeeJunFanfelixjet: but that works? from command line?05:10
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intelikeyeject05:11
intelikeyeject -t05:11
felixjetyea05:11
intelikeyeject05:11
intelikeyeject -t05:11
intelikey:)05:11
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felixjetfrom right click on the cdrom on deskton05:11
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felixjetdesktop*05:11
felixjetand then eject05:11
felixjetbut i want to eject it just by pressing the unit button!05:11
felixjetit is possible'05:11
LeeJunFanfelixjet: did you create the user who has mounted the cdrom after or during install?05:11
intelikeyno05:11
felixjet:(05:12
jamie_LeeJunFan: ok, it looks like this: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP (i have defaultroute and replacedefaultroute set up)05:12
LeeJunFanfelixjet: id [username]  and see if cdrom is a listed group.05:12
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lontra_what's seveas-repository?05:12
felixjetyep LeeJunFan05:13
Ash-Fox!ipv605:13
ubotuTo disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv405:13
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LeeJunFanfelixjet: I dunno why it would be not ejecting from kde then.05:13
felixjetyea! it eject from KDE05:13
LeeJunFanjamie_: set up in where?05:14
felixjeti was talking about it doesnt eject by pressing the cdrom eject button05:14
LeeJunFanfelixjet: oh, I thought it ejected only from command line.05:14
felixjetthe one on pc05:14
LeeJunFanfelixjet: oh, that's normal.05:14
felixjetthats shi... :( xD05:14
jamie_LeeJunFan: in /etc/ppp/peers/sprint05:14
felixjeti always click and wait for the cd05:14
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felixjethaha05:14
dennister!OpenSSH05:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about OpenSSH - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:15
dennister!SSH05:15
ubotussh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/05:15
jamie_but i can't even ping that remote ip (maybe it's dropping icmp?)05:15
intelikey!info openssh-server05:15
ubotuopenssh-server: Secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 540 kB05:15
intelikey!info openssh-client05:15
ubotuopenssh-client: Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement. In component main, is standard. Version 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 524 kB, installed size 1272 kB05:15
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LeeJunFanjamie_: could be. you are booting back/forth between windows and linux on this machine?05:16
Jucatointelikey: /set bell_beeps ON05:16
dennister!kill05:16
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands05:16
jamie_LeeJunFan:  i tried adding the route manually but still could not ping. then I tried adding a route to the remote IP thorugh my local IP. nope, no dual boot, kubuntu only05:16
intelikeyJucato yes.  did you also find the one for only the pm beeps ?05:16
Jucatointelikey: unfortunately, I don't know what level to set beep_msg_level... setting it to ALL beeps even on join/parts/leave05:16
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jamie_LeeJunFan: maybe it's actually able to get to the remote IP, and just swallowing my ICMP pings; but a dig www.google.com @4.2.2.1 fails as well..05:17
Jucatointelikey: in short..... now :(05:17
Jucatos/now/no05:17
intelikeylevel "highlight"   ?05:17
LeeJunFanjamie_: is your remote IP private or a real IP?05:17
Jucatoi'll try05:18
jamie_LeeJunFan: I'll put whole output in paste in just a sec...05:18
LeeJunFanjamie_: okay, I'll bbiab.05:18
Jucatointelikey: hm... dunno if it works...05:18
intelikeyJucato i'm not actually recalling it but guessing.05:18
Jucatointelikey: ok didn't work. :)05:18
TehUniare the US servers getting destroyed right now? apt-get update won't finish and it's taking about 30min to download firefox...05:19
JucatoTehUni: try switching to another server or mirror05:19
intelikeyTehUni if apt-get update won't finish  then you prolly shouldn't be trying to install anything....  unless you like broken/borked/hosed packages.05:20
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TehUnimmm... makes sense05:20
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jerpdo they have help files at 'help.ubuntu.com/com' on how to get onto the net for a newb?05:21
jamie_http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28580/05:21
TehUniwhat's a mirror for us.archive.ubuntu.com ?05:21
Fureshothe font smoothing that's default in kubuntu (and most any linux i've seen) is more like cleartype and is meant for lcd displays. is there any way to do font smoothing that's more like windows' "standard" font smoothing?05:21
Furesho(i have a crt)05:21
intelikeynl.archive.ubuntu.com05:21
Jobberwackydisable hinting maybe?05:21
jamie_LeeJunFan: sorry, didn't address it directly to you, did you see it? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28580/05:22
Jobberwackyand use bold fonts, that's basically what windows does05:22
intelikeyor actually i think that backward... but as the kids say "same diff"05:22
jerpkick me if I get to obnoxious in all my newbiness05:22
gop_hey any here know why I am getting this error 4038: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)05:22
gop_    when I do mount -a05:22
jamie_Furesho: I think Windows "standard" smoothing isn't smoothing at all. look at it carefully. there's no smoothing. however, i've had luck in KDE's font setup (control panel) but setting smoothing to "light" on CRT's.05:23
intelikeygop_ samba ?05:23
jamie_gop_: do youknow what the relevant /etc/fstab says?05:23
gop_yea let show you05:24
jamie_gop_: yeah, sounds like you can't connect to a samba (windows) share05:24
Fureshono, there is some smoothing, definitely. if you turn off the smoothing in windows altogether, you'll see jaggies everywherer05:24
Furesho-r05:24
jamie_Furesho: hmm. it's probably pretty light.05:24
gop_/gopunix/Music /media/music   smbfs  auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,umask=000,user  0 005:24
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gop_.///gopunix/Music /media/music   smbfs  auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,umask=000,user  0 005:24
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gop_it correct05:24
jamie_Furesho: the thing that bugs me most about linux font handling is the lack of proper kerning on many fonts.05:24
JobberwackyFuresho, disable hinting and just leave anti aliasing05:24
gop_jamie_,  why05:25
jamie_actually that's a limitation of qt3 (and thus kde) i guess and will be remedied soon.05:25
gop_jamie_,  I am able to browser it05:25
gop_and  i am able to do smbmount05:25
gop_but not thru fstab05:25
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jamie_gop_: try deleting the ./ from the beginning of the line...05:25
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gop_!smbmount05:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about smbmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:26
gop_jamie_,  that was my mistake it has no ./05:26
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gop_" //gopunix/Music /media/music   smbfs  auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,umask=000,user  0 0"05:26
jamie_gop_: ahh hmm. dunno ;-) haven't used it in a while.05:26
Fureshohmmm... gotta restart kde to see if it worked05:26
Fureshobrb05:26
jamie_Furesho: actually05:26
jamie_Furesho: you just have to open a new window (program05:26
intelikeygop_ why two / ?05:26
jamie_intelikey: it's samba weirdness05:27
Fureshowell, if that's the case, it didn't work05:27
gop_I only need one /gopunix the share name05:27
gop_it two for samba05:27
jamie_Furesho: did you just change it in control panel05:27
gop_the unc05:27
Fureshoyyyyup05:27
LeeJunFanjamie_: hrm, everything looks good in the ppp output.05:27
jamie_intelikey: it's to match the double backslash convention in windows \\servername\sharename05:27
Fureshoit said it'll work in newly opened apps, so i opened kate, and same ol' cleartype-ish smoothing05:27
gop_can I have \\servername\sharename\sharedir05:27
jamie_Furesho: reduce the smoothing to "light"05:28
jamie_LeeJunFan: any idea why i can't ping the remote ip?05:28
Fureshotried it already05:28
Fureshosame results05:28
intelikeygop_ no \ is escape char in linux05:28
gop_but in the fstab05:28
gop_/05:28
gop_ //05:28
jamie_Furesho: you could actually disable smoothing on small fonts... say, 1-8. might be crisper.05:28
BonBonTheJon_anyone with edgy have CUPS work right05:28
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jamie_you can do that right in kde cp also05:28
intelikey\\ == \     so \\\\ would be the same as \\ in windows but linux wont read \\ as /      so no.05:29
jamie_gop_: you have it right... double FORWARD slashes // for samba mounts, not \\. \\ is windows.05:29
LeeJunFanjamie_: lame of them to filter icmp on everything, makes it tough to test what part is broken.05:29
jamie_LeeJunFan: yeah... you think that's what's going on?05:29
gop_hmm jamie_  so why won't it allow me to connect it mounts my drives in windows05:30
LeeJunFanjamie_: I think so, I can't ping their DNS servers or that gateway.05:30
jamie_LeeJunFan: probably means traceroute doesn't work too, i think that relies on icmp too05:30
LeeJunFanjamie_: yeah, it does.05:30
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jamie_LeeJunFan: it all might be behind a firewall and only accessible from a sprint pcs card...05:30
gop_!samba05:30
ubotusamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT05:30
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Fureshookay. i think i have to at least restart kde, cuz i just turned off anti-aliasing all together, and opened an app and i see the same smoothing.05:31
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CVirusAny reports of successful upgrades to Edgy Eft ?05:31
jamie_LeeJunFan: i have an idea... maybe i have to do it first in Windows, maybe it messes with the firmware somehow.05:31
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LeeJunFanjamie_: I doubt it. But you never know.05:32
BonBonTheJon_CVirus: I'm almost done downloading for Edgy, my update will be done shortly after that05:32
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soundmaster80i have an off topic question. I need a sql client to interface with oracle database for a class i'm taking05:32
jamie_LeeJunFan: yeah... i'm pretty out of ideas. ;-) i'll give it a shot. someone said that they suspected the card get a new PRI or tower list or something...05:32
soundmaster80i would like to know if anyone has suggestions05:33
LeeJunFanjamie_: it appears to be doing everything except setting the default route, why I don't know when you have the defaultroute option set.05:33
intelikeywell i just tested fstab doesn't seem to care how many / you put in there anyway.   " //dev/hdb ////var///cache//apt/archives ext2 nosuid 0 0 "   works with mount -a    so i'll make a note of that to ignore it next time.05:33
BonBonTheJon_soundmaster80: the open office database program might be able to connect to Oracle05:33
jamie_LeeJunFan: here i'll paste something i tried a few minutes ago too..05:33
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soundmaster80thank you bon bon, but i'm looking for something with a command prompt05:33
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soundmaster80just something i can access the DB and end up with a SQL> prompt05:34
BonBonTheJon_soundmaster80: sorry, I've only played with mysql05:34
jamie_LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28585/05:34
soundmaster80yeah, that is my problem05:34
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jamie_LeeJunFan: brb...05:34
atticstormI would like to delete (remove rm) all ~*.tmp files in a folder tree and have tried to use rm -r ~*.tmp but it did not work.  How can I do this?  Thanks.05:34
jamie_btw if anyone is looking for a laptop recommendation, the ibm thinkpad X41 tablet works great in breezy or later...05:35
soundmaster80another one is for the e1505 from dell05:35
jamie_the stylus and fingerprint reader don't work out of the box but they're usable...05:35
soundmaster80just make sure you get the 3945 intel card05:35
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jamie_another one for a TC1100 tablet from HP... everything worked (including stylus) with no configuration with breezy.05:36
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LeeJunFanyay, speaking of ppp, looks like one of my mppp T1's just went down. :(05:36
soundmaster80stupid me maxed everything out but with just 1gb RAM05:36
jamie_;-)05:36
intelikeylooks like linux ignores extra slashes all around.  who would have thought it.  (but i knew this, just forgot.)05:36
intelikeytty3 [greg@~]  cd .///////////////////////////////////////////////docs///////05:36
intelikeytty3 [greg@~/docs] 05:36
jamie_LeeJunFan: sounds like you're going to have some fun..05:36
jamie_LeeJunFan: be back later, going to try to see if I can get it working in windows. who knows?! ;-)05:37
LeeJunFanjamie_: I've got it setup to keep retrying, hopefully it'll cure itself in 10 mins or less, I'll give my provider a few mins before I call.05:37
LeeJunFanjamie_: okay.05:37
jamie_bbl05:37
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atticstormAnyone have experience in deleting a like set of files down a folder tree?  Like deleting temp files.05:39
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The_Voxok, let's see if there's any 64bit users here...anybody know if edgy got support for 32bit apps on 64bit kubuntu out-of-the-box? or did they stay 64pure?05:39
soundmaster80is there a way to use firefox's "open containing folder" in konqueror?05:39
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The_Voxatticstorm: you use find and xargs with a pipe in between05:40
atticstormThe_Vox: A few months ago one of the articles in Linux Journal talked about this.  The piece was written by the new editor.  Don't know the date, sorry.05:40
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intelikeyatticstorm what do you want to rm ?05:41
atticstormThe_Vox: I will do some man work on xargs, thanks.  I am looking go get rid of Word temp files on a customer drive to save room on the CD's.05:41
The_Voxatticstorm: IIRC, it'd go something like "find ./ -name "*whatever*" | xargs rm -f" but I'd really recommend reading the manpages to make sure, I don't remember the exact switches05:41
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intelikeyatticstorm give me something to work with.   are they .tmp or what ?05:42
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intelikeyis there a common denominator visable ?05:43
intelikeyall end with  ~  ?05:43
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ubuntu_Anyone have a suggestion for repairing a NTFS MFT?05:44
intelikeybut if you don't want me to bark out a string just stay silent......05:44
ubuntu_intelikey: How do you use pastebin?05:44
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atticstormintelikey:  Looking to delete all of the ~XXXXX.tmp files in a directory tree.  Thoughts?  The_Vox was helpful with pipes and the xargs command.05:44
Johnsandmanapt-get give fault main archive is not working cannot downloading any thing for my amd64 :|05:45
intelikeyubuntu_ you go to the url and then copy / paste your text and select the submit link and bring the resulting url back with you.05:45
dennisterubuntu_: can u change ur nic pls?05:45
The_Voxwhy don't the ubuntu/kubuntu people put actually useful information about releases somewhere?05:46
macconlinehi.... i have a  problem with sound system 5.1.... only 1 of 5 speakers fine05:46
dennisteri realize ur probably in livecd mode...but it's confusing05:46
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intelikeyatticstorm   find /<base.dir> -name *.tmp -exec rm -i '{}' \;            intrupret the <base.dir> as where you want to start    and if you don't want to confirm all of them  don't use the   -i  switch.05:47
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dennisterty kubuntu05:47
atticstormintelikey: Thank you very much, will give it a try.05:47
intelikeybe advised that is permanant.  so if you get file.tmp that should have stayed,   oh well...05:48
kubuntuintelikey: Oh I meant you. Don't you run from the command line?05:48
NaomarikSection "Screen"05:48
Naomarik    ....05:48
Naomarik    Subsection "Display"05:48
Naomarik        Depth       2405:48
Naomarik        Modes       "1680x1050" "1280x1024" ...05:48
Naomarik        ViewPort    0 005:48
Naomarik    EndSubsection05:48
Naomarikoops05:48
intelikeykubuntu yes05:48
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kubuntuintelikey: RIght so how do you manage to use pastebin?05:48
intelikeyi use gpm05:49
intelikey!info gpm05:49
ubotugpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB05:49
Naomarikanyone know about running kubuntu within windows via vmware? I'm wondering whether it's beneficial to install the proprietary ATI drivers..05:49
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intelikeyNaomarik there may be info on the wiki that would help there.05:50
intelikey!ati05:50
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:50
intelikeyit's not all a howto  it has some other info05:50
kubuntuGood grief who tags teh stuff in the repos05:50
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kubuntuBlind one eyed jack?05:51
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intelikeykubuntu probably the developers them selves05:51
kubuntutell them to stop smoking software crack05:52
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LeeJunFanpoopie! that T1 isn't coming back, and neither is the router I rebooted from remote. hehe Owell, later guys.05:52
intelikeyyou tell em'    they don't answer to me....05:52
rredd4i did a dist upgrade and got this error (i cannot boot into kubuntu, i am in windoze)   relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:  Symbol dl out of memory, version GLIBC_Private not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time references05:52
Johnsandmanare there other archive kubuntu working mine is not working for downloading files in new kubuntu :|05:53
CVirusoh oo05:53
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RobNyc_how many are loving kubuntu edgy lol05:53
kubuntuDoes anyone use the tags in adept?05:53
CVirusrredd4: did had to dist-upgrade 2 times before rebooting05:53
rredd4no05:54
rredd4once05:54
rredd4i was locked up05:54
CVirusrredd4: are you upgrading from dapper to edgy ?05:54
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rredd4yes05:54
Lam_RobNyc_: i love kubuntu edgy05:54
Lam_slickness ftw05:54
RobNyc_:)05:54
Jucatoedgy-ness...05:54
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CVirusrredd4: you should have followed the upgrade notes http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php05:54
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rredd4CVirus i did read them05:54
JohnsandmanI love kubuntu edgy if i can normal download from the main nl.archive :|05:54
intelikeyJohnsandman someone said the us. server/s were acting up  you can try the nl.05:55
CVirusrredd4: have you dist-upgraded twice as it says ?05:55
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intelikeyah you are using nl....  hmmmm05:55
cellofellowtwice? you meen I have to do this again?05:55
CVirusrredd4: err ... it doesnt say so05:55
CVirusno no05:55
felixjet!!!!!!!!!!05:55
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CVirussorry .. my bad05:55
felixjetfirefox just crashed omg05:55
rredd4CVirus the first time locked me up and i cannot boot into linux05:55
felixjetis there anyway to find the websites i was watching?!?!?!05:55
CVirusrredd4: have you sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal ?05:56
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Johnsandmanintelkey>don't work either I think I have to wait a bit05:56
CVirusfelixjet: firefox session saver extension05:56
Jucatofelixjet: if you're using Firefox 2.0 on Edgy, there's a session restore05:56
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felixjet1.5 on dapper05:56
rredd4CVirus it will not let me do that, just gives me the same error as i typed05:56
kubuntuHi Jucato05:56
cellofellowJucato: ought that to be part of Firefox 2 on any OS?05:56
intelikeyJohnsandman tod is key on release day05:56
CVirusrredd4: give me the exact erro please05:56
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CViruserror*05:56
Jucatocellofellow: yes05:56
motorheadhai05:56
RobNyc_CVirus, what r u doing there05:57
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CVirusRobNyc_: but ... what are you doing here ?05:57
macconlinehi.... i have a  problem with sound system 5.1.... only 1 of 5 speakers fine05:57
RobNyc_CVirus, chillin with you bro05:57
cellofellowMotorhead: are you going to say that each time you come on now?05:57
intelikeyJucato wouldn't it also be in the "history"05:57
CVirusRobNyc_: :-)05:57
Johnsandmanintelkey> what u mean with tod ??05:57
intelikeyany version05:57
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rredd4CVirus  i did  relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:  Symbol dl out of memory, version GLIBC_Private not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time references05:57
Jucatointelikey: only if you remember what you were viewing :)05:57
intelikeyJohnsandman tod = time of day05:57
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TontonqThanx For Free Kubuntu CDs! :D05:58
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Jucatofree?05:58
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Jucatoah must be Dapper05:58
Jucato:P05:58
intelikeyfree like beer, or free like speach ?05:59
Jucatointelikey: both probably hehehe05:59
CVirusrredd4: google says nothing about it ... weird05:59
Jucatoj/k05:59
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rredd4CVirus  i am screwed... do I have to reinstall?05:59
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Motorheadis it possible to have gnome and kde installled??? because idk which one i like more and wanna use both then just use one :S05:59
JucatoMotorhead: yes06:00
kubuntuintelikey: Interesting it's installed by default?06:00
CVirusrredd4: can you try running ldconfig ?06:00
kubuntuor the libs are at least06:00
Jucatoyou're just going to have some messy menus, iirc06:00
Motorheadcello: what?06:00
kubuntuMan Ubuntu is going to suck in two years06:00
CViruskubuntu: keep this for yourself06:00
Naomarikhey intelikely, I guess my question earlier was can I run linux with 3d acceleration via vmware.. did some searches and looks like the answer is no :(06:00
kubuntuCVirus: Keep what?06:01
rredd4CVirus  i cannot get a console.  when i reboot into kubuntu, i get the same error i just typed06:01
rredd4in recovery console06:01
CVirusrredd4: you get the error and it freezes ?06:01
rredd4CVirus yes06:01
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CVirusrredd4: I beleive you got no choice06:01
rredd4CVirus  wonderful...06:01
Tontonqi have found a local Privilege Escalation bug @ kde  which kubuntu use it06:01
CVirusrredd4: well06:01
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avutonIs there a install (from) usbdisk planned? I don't even have or need a cdrom anymore except for when it comes to installing or repairing my distribution.06:01
CVirusrredd4: have you been installing unofficial software packages ?06:02
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MansalSomone here?06:02
intelikeykubuntu talking about gpm ?     it has to be both configured and started  normally init does the start  /etc/init.d/gpm start   called from /etc/rc2.d/S##gpm  at boot time.06:02
rredd4CVirus  ? like?06:02
CVirusrredd4: any unofficial software packages06:02
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intelikeyit's very handy for copy/paste in the console.06:02
MansalNeed help with my system06:02
CVirusrredd4: have you been using any repositores other than the official ones ?06:02
MansalI cant strt it06:03
CVirusrepositories*06:03
rredd4CVirus  wine06:03
kubuntuintelikey: Alright. What are the libs used by?06:03
Mansalstart*06:03
CVirusrredd4: anything else ?06:03
intelikey<kubuntu> intelikey: Alright. What are the libs used by?06:03
rredd4CVirus  no06:03
CVirusrredd4: cant help you ... sorry06:03
kubuntucan I query apt to find out what packages depend on a package?06:03
intelikeythe libs are used by gpm i guess not sure what libs you mean.....06:03
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intelikey!info gpm06:03
Jucatokubuntu: yes06:03
ubotugpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB06:03
CVirusrredd4: did the system freeze while you were upgrading and it gave you this error ?06:04
rredd4CVirus yes06:04
MansalWhen I try to start my new kubuntu 6.10, It frezes. It not loading.06:04
kubuntuintelikey: I saw it. The libgpm is installed already06:04
CVirusrredd4: total freeze ?06:04
kubuntuJucato: How?06:04
intelikeykubuntu i'm not sure what might be depending on libgmp besides gpm06:04
rredd4CVirus i could not open any program, do any command, push the power button.  my mouse did work tho06:04
kubuntuthat's what I thought. It's installed by default though gpm isn't06:05
CVirusrredd4: i beleive that it's X only which has freezed06:05
MansalAnd, I start in recovery mode. It comes mutch text. After a while it totaly stops06:05
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MansalNo terminal06:05
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Jucatokubuntu: apt-cache show <package>06:05
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rredd4CVirus is libc6 x?06:05
CVirusrredd4: err .. no06:06
rredd4CVirus that is what it was trying to install06:06
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MansalI get an unknown error code from DMA06:06
MansalWhat is that?06:06
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TehUnii just installed kubuntu edgy on my laptop, and it always boots into 640x480. the xorg.conf is right (far as i can tell). it's a dell inspiron 640m - intel 945 chipset. the resolution should be 1440x900. any ideas?06:06
neoncodeAre their any good guids for running XLG on Kubunu Edgy with an ATI card?06:06
neoncodeGuides sorry06:06
kubuntuCVirus: What should I keep?06:07
Mansal!DMA06:07
ubotudma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA06:07
CViruskubuntu: what do you need ?06:07
kubuntuYou said I should keep that to myself06:07
kubuntuI was confused what that was about06:07
CViruskubuntu: keep you troll-like opinion for yourself06:07
kubuntuCVirus: Oh about Ubuntu?06:07
CViruskubuntu: yes06:08
kubuntuCVirus: Just find it hard to see how they are going to remain cutting edge and still only ship one CD06:08
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CViruskubuntu: now you have the right to talk ... I thought you were starting a flame wat06:08
CViruswar*06:08
kubuntuWe are already cutting things cause of space06:09
intelikeykubuntu apt-cache r/depends libgpm1   both turn up blank  ......06:09
kubuntuand edubuntu is removing all KDE apps from thier release even though there is great reason to keep them06:09
daveyjhelp i broke my x :(06:09
daveyjcant load xorg06:10
daveyjerrr06:10
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kubuntudaveyj: calm down :)06:10
intelikeykubuntu ah ha.... found something.06:10
intelikeytty3 [greg@~]  apt-cache depends libgpmg106:10
intelikeylibgpmg106:10
intelikey  Depends: libc606:10
intelikey  Suggests: gpm06:10
intelikey  Conflicts: <libgpm1>06:10
daveyjglx06:10
kubuntu it's not nearly as bad as it feels the first time :)06:10
daveyjnot xorg ;)06:10
rredd4is there any other alternative then a complete reinstall of kubuntu with this error?  relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:  Symbol dl out of memory, version GLIBC_Private not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time references.  I did a dist upgrade from dapper to edgy.06:11
daveyji know i've broken it a million times.. however i didnt do it this time06:11
daveyjsome upgrades did06:11
intelikeylooks like libc6 is the reason it's installed by default06:11
kubuntuintelikey: See I don't get that. Why install something based on a recommendation then not install the recommendation?06:11
kubuntuintelikey: No it depends on libc6 not the other way around06:11
kubuntudaveyj: Well Fix it the same way :)06:12
daveyj:)06:12
intelikeyyou say i'm shooting backwards....06:12
intelikeythy this then06:12
intelikey apt-cache rdepends libgpmg106:12
daveyjthe xorg you gave me last time worked fine.. but then i apt'd all the new updates06:12
kubuntulibgpmg1 depends on libc606:13
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kubuntuIt recommends gpm06:13
intelikeytry it.06:13
intelikeytry it06:13
intelikeyapt-cache rdepends libgpmg106:13
daveyji should do that?06:13
kubuntudaveyj: No me06:13
daveyjoh lol06:13
kubuntuHmm is ncurses installed by default?06:14
intelikeyprolly06:14
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intelikeyw3m and vim are06:14
dennisterwhole system froze/crashed...back now06:14
kubuntuwait vim needs libgpmg1?06:14
intelikeyit's in the list06:15
kubuntuHmm Muy interesting06:15
kubuntuYeah I brushed over it :)06:15
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kubunturepo tags suck :)06:15
kubuntu and has anyone tried to recover an NTFS partition?06:15
intelikeybut "w3m"  is for sure a defalt on all *buntu systems06:16
dennisterI'm trying to purge my system completely of sun-java, mozilla, and mozilla-firefox...has anyone ever done this b4?06:16
intelikeykubuntu yeah testdisk06:16
Dasnipa`ab 86% done with download yay06:16
intelikeyi haven't used it on ntfs but others have. i have used it on vfat though kubuntu06:17
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intelikeypartition table is partition table06:17
dennisteri've already done as much as I can through purging with adept, but there are still vestiges in my filesystem and i want to make sure that I do it safely06:17
PixelCloudsigh06:17
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PixelCloudmy sound stopped working after upgrading to edgy06:18
Tontonqanyone here regular expression master :|06:18
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PixelCloudi need help :(06:18
t3hwiz0rd-serverkubuntu update taking 4 hours lol06:18
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intelikeydennister debfoster/deborphen06:18
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kubuntuintelikey: Yeah I thought the same thing and i wrote to the authour this morning to tell him that his siftware is apparently missing a few menus06:18
PixelCloudi downloaded alternative cd and updated via apt06:18
dennisterintelikey: that will remove the vestiges?06:18
kubuntuintelikey: I was hoping to have this fixed tonight. seems that might not happen. :(06:19
lontrahow do i set up my vfat windows partition so that i can access it automatically from kubuntu?  i know i need to edit /etc/fstab06:19
dennisteri'm in configure konqueror now, removing the plugins that mention these items...but stopped cause of the safety concern06:19
intelikeydennister it will remove "no longer needed libs" if you are trimming the fat, that's a good way.06:19
intelikey!info testdisk06:20
ubotutestdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.1-1 (dapper), package size 386 kB, installed size 1124 kB06:20
kubuntulontra: in konqueror type man:/fstab06:20
intelikeykubuntu ^06:20
kubuntuintelikey: I know I have it.06:20
kubuntuintelikey: Hmm I wonder06:20
dennisterk...will do...what about the plugins in konq that mention mozilla...leave only the netscape ones?06:20
intelikeylontra add "umask="  to the line,   man fstab for the specifics.    i normally just use umask=0   but a fmask=111,dmask=000   sould be more likable06:22
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daveyji'm going to cry :(06:23
intelikeydaveyj ok.06:23
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intelikeyi'll cry with you......06:23
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Naomarikso intelikey, do you just mainly answer linux questions all day?06:24
dennisterintelikey: should i remove all the plugins in konq that mention mozilla? leave only the netscape ones?06:24
intelikeyno actually i just collect data from the web for about 7 hours.....06:24
Naomarikoh?06:24
kubuntuThen uses it for the penguin swastika squad06:24
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kubuntuintelikey: Do you have testdisk installed?06:25
intelikeydennister idk.06:25
intelikeykubuntu i think so why >?06:25
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kubuntuhave a FAT or NTFS drive?06:25
dennister<----doesn't want to screw up her only browser06:25
dennisteridk?06:25
intelikeyyeah vfat06:25
Napawhy don't this command work in kubuntu ?   "gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/dcpp.desktop"06:26
intelikeydennister idk == i don't know.06:26
daveyjwhy cant i fix this damn X.. nothing changed!06:26
Ash-Fox!w32codecs06:26
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:26
dennisterk thx06:26
Napaik get this errormessage: bash: gksudo: command not found06:26
intelikeyNapa cause it's kdesu in kubuntu06:26
Napaahh06:26
Napathanx06:26
intelikeynp06:26
kubuntuintelikey: can you look under the advanced menu for the Fat partition and tell me the options06:26
kubuntuI think it should be type and boot06:27
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intelikey[  Type  ]   [  Boot  ]   [  Quit  ] 06:27
kubuntuintelikey: OK under Boot what options do you have?06:28
intelikey[  Quit  ]   [Rebuild BS] [  Dump  ]   [Repair FAT] 06:28
PixelCloudmy sound wont work! it worked in dapper06:28
PixelCloudall the modules are loaded06:28
kubuntuWhy don't I get that Repair option :(06:28
PixelCloudnothing is muted06:28
intelikeycause it's not fat06:29
kubuntuThere should be one there for NTFS as well06:29
intelikeycan't repair what isn't there ???06:29
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Dasnipa`is there a way to change screensaver settings via the console?06:29
intelikeyhehhe killall xscreensaver06:30
intelikeythat changes it06:30
Dasnipa`right06:30
avutonHrm, my mouse stops working after suspend, completely. Even after X restart. Any pointers to things I should check?06:30
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kubuntu I mailed Christophe and he mailed me back and said it should be there06:30
intelikeykubuntu did you  [Analyse ]    the drive first ?06:31
daveyjcan someone help me fix my x? :(06:31
intelikeydaveyj the only fix for an ex is a divorce06:32
intelikeyoh X server06:32
intelikeysudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg06:32
daveyj;)06:33
kubuntuintelikey: doesn't matter if I do or not06:33
intelikeyread and answer all the questions carefully.06:33
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kubuntuWhy didn't someone tell me about w3m before?06:35
intelikeyi do seem to spend a lot of time in here though, dont i...........06:35
intelikeykubuntu you didn't ask ?06:35
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kubuntu i did06:36
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kubuntuI got back links2 as the answer06:36
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daveyjintelikey: i did that and it still doesnt work06:36
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lontrais there any way to make knetworkmanager remember my WEP key?06:37
kubuntuintelikey: Do what I do keep changing your name so people keep guessing :)06:37
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kubuntuhi Seveas06:37
intelikeykubuntu links2  and/or  elinks     can both do graphic web browsing in the console using frame buffering06:37
daveyjshould i just reinstall kubuntu? :(06:37
kubuntudaveyj: For an X problem?06:38
intelikeydaveyj if you can't fix it, and you can't display us an error message to try to guess at, and you think reinstalling will work;  then, gopher it.06:38
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daveyjwell the error is that it cant load glx06:39
intelikeythat's " go fur it "    as sure why not.06:39
nixternalwhat is wrong with x daveyj?06:39
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daveyjnot even positive its x06:39
daveyjit was working fine, didnt change anything06:39
intelikeyglx06:39
kubuntuIt's the driver?06:39
daveyjbut then i rebooted and it stopped working06:39
intelikey!glx06:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:39
daveyji did a lot of updates06:39
daveyjwhen th eofficial edgy release came out.. i was using the pre-release06:40
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intelikeyis it ati nvidia intel ???06:40
daveyjnvidia geforce 550006:40
intelikey!nv06:40
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:40
daveyjhow can i go to that if i cant start x? :(06:40
kubuntudaveyj: w3m06:41
kubuntuw3m URL06:41
intelikeyok change the driver from nvidia to nv  in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf     and try running startx06:41
yonkeltronanyone have a compaq laptop?06:42
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daveyjokay that actually worked06:42
daveyjnv06:42
kubuntuanywho I'll moan about the tags late06:42
intelikeynv is the free driver.06:42
kubuntugood night all06:42
daveyjbut now beryl is broken :(06:42
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intelikeynv is the free driver.06:43
t3hwiz0rd-serverwhen the edgy update is done do youj need to reinstall nvidia drivers or something?06:43
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intelikeyso what you need to do is go to that wiki and totally reinstall your nvidia driver.06:43
daveyjhwo do i remove the regular nvidia driver and then reinstall it so beryl works again?06:43
daveyjoh06:43
daveyjokay06:43
daveyjlol06:43
intelikeydid you get the url ?06:44
intelikey!nv06:44
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:44
intelikeyand there are others also.06:44
intelikeysearch the ubuntu wiki's06:44
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intelikeyok i'm off to lunch. back snortly06:45
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Ash-Fox!changelog06:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:45
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Ash-FoxDrat06:45
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daveyjthat link doesnt work06:46
Ash-FoxAnybody happen to know where I can find a changelog that shows the changes since Dapper?06:46
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Ash-Foxdaveyj, which link?06:46
lontrai just installed kubuntu edgy after a couple times rebooting i went to open emacs-snapshot and my fonts wnet from fine and pretty to completely ugly and nearly impossibly to read...anyone know why this happened or how i can fix it?06:47
Ash-Foxlontra, try export LANG=C, then try opening emacs06:47
Ash-Fox(assuming that's the console based emacs)06:47
lontrano this is an X based one06:47
Ash-FoxAh, no idea then06:47
orkid__snapshot == svn or cvs?06:48
lontracvs i think06:48
lontrabut it happens in emacs21.4a too06:48
daveyjhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/binarydriverhowto doesnt exist06:48
orkid__maybe try apt-get remove, and apt-get install .06:48
lontraorkid__: i've tried that...nothing06:48
orkid__odd, ... can't use emacs (not snapshot) ?06:48
Ash-FoxWhere do I define the LANG parameter on (k)ubuntu distros anyway?06:48
orkid__https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:49
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lontraorkid__: both emacs and the snapshot are horribly ugly fonts06:49
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intelikeydaveyj  wget https://help.ubuntu.com/community/binarydriverhowto ; mv binarydriverhowto binarydriverhowto.html  ; w3m binarydriverhowto.html          but that wont get the internal links06:51
daveyjlol i got it.. i'm gunna try and reboot06:51
daveyjbrb06:51
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orkid__lontra: sorry , can't find info on why this might be happening06:52
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pibarnasI'm trying to download edgy efty, but my ktorrent is stopped for long time (about 4 hours) at 99,49%. How could I resume the download? is it possible?06:54
lontraorkid__: no worries...i've just had tons of little wierd stuff happening in kubuntu edgy...it seems more unstable on my machine than debian unstable06:54
orkid__close ktoreent, open it again.06:54
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orkid__lontra: could try a fresh install... i'm running edgy now (been for a while)... i'll try emacs-snapshot and see how it works (i'm running both kde and gnome).06:55
ecokillerany problems with kubuntu 6.1?06:55
lontraorkid__: i did try a fresh install :/06:55
lontraorkid__: also i can't get knetworkmanager to remember my WEP password06:55
lontrawhich is annoying06:55
orkid__pibarnas: maybe no one has the bit you're looking for, (possibly true if 0 seeders)06:55
orkid__i don't use wireless, so i can't help with that. sorry.06:56
Ash-Fox!wifi06:56
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs06:56
Ash-FoxI have always found those docs really helpful whenever setting up a WI-FI card06:56
heevhuhi all06:56
Ash-FoxAtheros cards though were the least trouble, I didn't even need documentation, that worked immidately.06:57
ecokilleris it still safe to run both a copy of windows and xp and kubuntu on the same machine?06:57
InteliWaspis there any thing during the upgrade that needs my attention or can i just go to sleep and let it finish D/Ling and install overnight?06:57
pibarnasI close ktorrent and opened it again. The download continued, thank you very much!06:57
Ash-Foxecokiller, yes.06:58
orkid__pibarnas, no problem06:58
dennisterI'm hitting the sack pps...good night06:58
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DaveyJokay06:59
DaveyJnow i'm in X06:59
DaveyJbut with nv =/06:59
ecokillerfor those people who run dual boot (windows and kubuntu) what are the things you cannot do with kubuntu that you need windows for?07:00
ecokillerim thinking about getting rid of xp07:00
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pibarnasMay I check md5sum now the download finished? How do I do that?07:00
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orkid__bitorrent does it automatically.07:01
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Shadow_milpibarnas: md5sum --help  || man md5sum07:01
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Shadow_milbut if you downloaded it from a torrent, it will be fine07:02
LeeJunFanecokiller: games, and transfer data between my phone and computer.07:02
foutrelisI tried to install Kubuntu edgy but it locks up after the 6/6 step of the installer. :( Has anyone experience this as well?07:02
Shadow_milas orkid__ said, its already been done07:02
orkid__lontra: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2is4.png07:03
ecokillerleejunfan - i actually had problems with an earlier kubuntu release on connecting to my wireless network. Is it generally easy?07:03
orkid__lontra: that's emacs after an apt-get install emacs-snapshot under amd64 (i don't know if i have the 6.10 'release' but have the devel version updated)07:03
LeeJunFanecokiller: normally as long as your hardware is supported out of the box.07:04
LeeJunFanecokiller: unfortunately some vendors don't cooperate by sharing specs for their chipsets and drivers can be a pain.07:04
ecokillerokay, i have a new laptop from HP... i guess ill give the demo CD a try and see what happens07:04
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ecokilleroh, how are the new boot times and overall performance in the new kubuntu release?07:06
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georgeshey guys07:06
ecokillerhey georges07:07
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daveyj:(07:07
daveyji cant get this working!07:07
georgeswhat is up with konqueror in 6.10? I can only see my home and the media directory.07:07
ecokillercant help ya, hevent got it going yet :(07:08
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daveyjf this i'm going to just reinstall kubuntu07:08
daveyjsince theres the new release and everything07:08
daveyjif i could only find my cdrs07:08
georgesi installed ubuntu, then just installed kubuntu-desktop07:08
ecokillerim actually downloading the torrent DVD right now07:08
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georgesworked fine07:08
arunkale!flashplayer07:08
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arunkalehow do i install flashplayer plugin for firefox07:08
arunkale!flashplayer-plugin07:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about flashplayer-plugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:09
georgesarunkale, look into automatix07:09
arunkaleok07:09
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daveyjexit07:09
daveyjwhoops07:09
orkid__apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree (x86 only)07:10
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orkid__apt-cache search flash07:10
foutrelisHmmm.. I have succesfully installed ubuntu 6.06 in the past but today when I tried to install kubuntu 6.10 my computer locks up just after step 6/6 :(((07:10
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gnactried to install 6.10 today, selected my partitions, with root on /dev/hda307:11
ecokillerfoutrelis: someone just said the same thing minutes ago07:11
gnacinstaller said i didn't select a root drive???07:11
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foutrelisyes.. that would be me :)07:11
ecokilleroh im drunk :)07:11
foutrelisI am sorry for posting the same thing twice but I am disappointed07:12
sheftHey, I upgraded to edgy now, and my wine wont start... gonna play WoW =((07:12
Naomariksux0r!! ;o07:13
sheftcommon problem?07:13
Naomarikno clue, i'm just emulating linux within windows via vmware07:13
Naomarikcan't install k/ubuntu with my j micron ide controller07:13
sheftdoes it support open gl apps like world of warcraft game?07:13
Naomarikunfortunately vmware doesn't support 3d acceleration when virtualizing linux... but that's why i'm running windows natively :)07:14
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Philip5Naomarik: it works with jmicron as long as you don't try a bios/fake-raid setup07:15
sheftaha, i thought u ran windows  thru linux but it was other way around :)07:15
NaomarikPhilip5: is this new as of release of 6.10? i tried the preview release a few days ago and it still didn't work for me07:15
ecokilleri wish my torrent download was better than 17KB/s07:16
Naomarikyeah right now it's saving me the nuance of trying to get linux to work natively, more time to grind rank 10 in wow07:16
Philip5Naomarik: i'm running it right now with jmicron but with linux software raid007:16
NaomarikPhilip5: so you're saying the ide controller in the bios can't be raid? i forgot what mine is set to but i remember checking it because i read a comment saying it wasn't supposed to be a certain thing and it wasn't...07:17
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georgeswho here has kubuntu 6.10 installed and working?07:17
georgesI need to compare notes.07:17
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TheWheati do. just upgraded from 6.0607:17
Philip5Naomarik: exactly... as if you want it to be raid in bios then you have to make a custom made installcd with the prerelease of dmraid07:18
georgesHey Wheat, how much of the filesystem can you see in Konqueror? I can only see my home folder and the media folder. What's up with that?07:18
Philip5but even with that it's tricky07:18
georgesI can't get to my correctly mounted Data drive.... ?07:18
Naomarikokay Philip5. good thing for me I have no need for a raid setup as I am not currently running one!07:19
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TheWheatgeorges: the rest are hidden folders07:19
TheWheatgeorges: go to View > Show Hidden folders07:19
georgesAhhhhh.... i shall try that.07:20
georgesWow, wtf... that's a bit of a stupid default, imo.07:20
ecokillerso whats the main difference from ubuntu and kubuntu releases07:20
georgesIt's hard to scan your music collection in Amarok when it's mounted in /mnt and its hidden! :D07:20
Philip5Naomarik: set your jmicron chipset in ahci mode in bios and it will fork just fine with edgy07:21
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georgesNevermind, it's still not possible to scan it because it doesn't show up in the filesystem tree in the Amarok scan window. Nice.07:21
homahaw are u, guys! I just burned kubuntu6.10, and i am trying to install it on my dell d620 notepad, but shit happens: after loading kernel, it showed me such message and hung up."user not known to the underlying authentication module"07:21
mr_daemonHey, how does one installs the lastest beta nvidia drivers in Edgy? Removing restricted-modules will take down the kernel with it...07:21
mr_daemonWell, all the kernels, actually...07:22
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Naomarikokay philp, you convinced me. going to burn the iso now and try it07:22
Philip5Naomarik: what is the motherboard you are using?07:22
Naomarikasus p5b deluxe07:22
Philip5Naomarik: aha, figured that07:23
homaanyone can help?07:23
Naomarikdo you know if the fglrx or however it's spelled will work with a x1900xt or would I download the drivers off amd/ati's website07:23
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georgesTheWheat, any other tips on KDE in general hiding these directories?07:23
ecokillerhoma: havent gotten the kubuntu release yet... still dloading07:23
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Philip5Naomarik: i bet it will but i have a nvidia card myself07:24
homato ecokinger: ubuntu6.06 worked pretty fine, but 6.10....07:24
georgesseriously...07:25
NaomarikPhilip5: So that leads me to another question.. on AMD/ati's website the linux driver is named ati-driver-(version).run07:25
Naomarikhow would that be installed?07:25
Philip5Naomarik: 'sudo sh ati-driver-(version).run'07:26
TheWheatgeorges: im not sure. i'm still kind of a newbie myself :)07:27
georgeshehe ok :)07:27
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georgesthanks for the View tip though07:27
Naomarikthanks philip.. amazing how many linux commands can be forgotten after not using it for a long period of time07:27
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MandalfI realy need help!07:28
ecokilleranybody using GIMP?07:28
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TheWheatgeorges: no prob ;)07:28
Philip5Naomarik: just follow the instructions after that... and i think you better do it when you haven't started xorg07:28
MandalfMy computer cant start DMA07:29
Mandalf!dma07:29
ubotudma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA07:29
MandalfI got an unknown errorcode07:29
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ecokillerdont get eliminated!07:30
ecokillermxc sorry it was on07:30
Naomarikwhat do you mean by that? should i use the ctrl alt keys to get to another session that doesn't have x server running?07:30
Philip5Naomarik: you shouldn't have xorg running at all when running the ati-bin file... i guess... that's how i install nvidia about the same way07:31
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arunkalewhat is the apt-get command for installing the flashplayer plugin for firefox07:32
Naomarikso what would the method be to get into that kind of environment? should I install kubuntu, download the drivers, then kill x server somehow to get into a terminal-like session?07:32
MandalfI can not boot my system07:33
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Philip5Naomarik: when you are going to login with kdm then choose console login instead of into kde... from there kill kdm to be sure and then run the ati-bin.. or boot into singeluser mode from start07:34
codeinedid anyone encounter a problem with Firefox 2.0 and Flock 0.7.6 after installing flash?07:34
Naomariksounds like a plan. thanks for the help Philip5!07:35
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Philip5Naomarik: np07:35
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MandalfPhilip5: I cant boot my sytem07:35
MandalfIt freexes07:35
Mandalffreezes*07:35
Philip5Mandalf: ok07:35
MandalfWhen I start in recoverymode07:36
Mandalfi comes mutch text07:36
Mandalfthen i totaly stops07:36
codeinefirefox 2.0 browser crashes after installing the flash plugin07:36
Mandalfnothing happen07:36
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MandalfDMA gives the error: unknown07:37
Admiral_Chicagocodeine: that's because it is in beta07:37
Admiral_Chicagolook at the library dependencies07:37
zordaso umm how much betters kubuntu then ubuntu?07:38
Admiral_Chicagozorda: it's all about preference07:38
codeineFirefox 2.0?07:38
zordaAnd K is geared more too?07:38
codeineits not a beta anymore07:38
orkid__zorda: much :)07:38
Admiral_Chicagokubuntu is more like windows layout with different programs07:38
Admiral_Chicagocodeine: flash07:38
MandalfPhilip5: Any idea?07:38
Admiral_Chicagoi like the programs07:39
Admiral_ChicagoGNOME is more minimalist07:39
zordaGNOME is slow07:39
Admiral_Chicagopeople debate KDE is slow07:39
Admiral_Chicagomy idea? install kubuntu and log in as kubuntu and try it out07:39
Philip5Mandalf: not really.... have you tweaked your bios settings?07:39
Admiral_Chicagolog in as KDE07:40
Admiral_Chicagosorry07:40
codeinetried default plugin and manual install07:40
Admiral_Chicagoand then try logging in as GNOME07:40
zordaim really new to linux and i was just wonderinf if K was beter07:40
Admiral_Chicagohopefully someone else can help you with that.07:40
Admiral_Chicagoi like KDE much more07:40
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MandalfPhilip5: I have a dell. I dont need that settings so much. I have boot menus to chose how to boot07:41
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zordall07:42
zordakk07:42
zordahmm07:42
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MandalfPhilip5: My computer is 5 years. Can it was that?07:43
zordado they make you work for MP3 in KDE as they do in Ubuntu?07:43
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MandalfI used kubuntu 6.06 from the release of it07:43
Momalhmm... well edgy wont update >_<07:44
zordamy methed is delete code untill it works07:44
Momallots of un met packages then running the apt-get dist-update thingo again... just makes it say error(1) what ever that is :S07:44
orkid__why no jigdo DVDs?07:45
zordaso umm07:45
linuxmigrationcodeine: hi, this is jeremy07:45
Philip5Mandalf: not really but check your bios if you have something about how it setup dma07:45
codeineyo07:45
zordawill any one cositer mailing me a KND bootdisc?07:45
linuxmigrationcodeine: scrollback?07:45
zordai cant get the iso07:45
zordaill trade for a NT boot!07:46
codeineyep07:46
codeinethere you are07:46
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zordaWho wants to trade!??!?!07:46
linuxmigrationcodeine: didn't get it.  you must not be +e07:46
zordaKND boot for NT boot!07:46
codeinedid anyone encounter any problem with Firefox 2.0 of Flock after installing the flash plugin with 6-10?07:47
zordaplease...07:47
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MandalfPhilip5: DMA is in bios?07:47
zordaWINDOWS XP PRO FOR KND!07:47
zordacome one people07:48
MandalfWindows XP = Windows Xtra Problems07:48
zordaYep Yep07:48
zordaBut it playes the games!07:48
zordaAnd its super easy to lean and to hack!07:49
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zordapleae...07:49
zordacome one isnt any one here in usa?07:49
zordaplease....07:50
zordaill though in a "minds are like parchutes they only work open" bumper sticker!07:51
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zordaAnd a 15 inch speaker!07:51
zordano jk07:51
Mandalftime to go07:52
Mandalfhave 3h math test07:52
zordame?07:52
zordapain07:52
zordaskip it07:52
hammerwho has licq 1.3.4?07:52
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Mandalfbye all07:52
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zordabye07:52
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zordaDANM IT I NEED A KND BOOT!07:54
zordaILL TRADE FOR WIN XP PRO!07:54
zordacome one it plays games...07:54
zordathe good ones...07:55
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canine_koujiso, is 6.10 stable for kubuntu?07:55
canine_koujiI stupidly downloaded ubuntu on accident. I've forgotton GNOME stupidly included mono in the distribution07:56
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zordabut gnome loves07:56
linuxmigrationcanine_kouji: apt-get remove mono?07:56
canine_koujilinuxmigration: mono isn't the only reason07:57
canine_kouji:P07:57
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gnac6.10 manual partitin install is complaining that I haven't selected root partition, when I have07:57
canine_koujikwin is more advanced to where I use the window settings very seriously07:57
canine_koujiKDE ftw07:57
zordaman konversaion is bugged08:01
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zordawhy is that?08:01
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t3hwiz0rd-serverhahahahahaha omgggg... 3 horus of waiting for dist-upgrade and it fails on two packages08:01
momalWho has been able to update from dapper to edgy without problems and knows fair bit ????08:01
t3hwiz0rd-serverthe last two packages!08:01
momalFor some reason i keep getting error about libuim3 trying to over write a file thats in another .deb file :S08:02
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t3hwiz0rd-servermomal: what type of "problems" are we discussinG?08:02
t3hwiz0rd-servermomal: if you can broaden that for me08:03
momalapt-get -f install | says needs libuim3 or what ever | then running apt-get dist-upgrade | says it couln't be set up because of libuim3 trying to overwrite a file in another .deb file.08:03
t3hwiz0rd-serveryou really shouldn't force install stuff before you do some more research on it though man, that can be riiskky08:04
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momalubuntu guide said to do it08:04
t3hwiz0rd-serverokay... that just sounds so risky08:04
t3hwiz0rd-serverwhat is it you are installing?08:04
momaledgy from dapper08:04
t3hwiz0rd-serverah... hmmm08:04
t3hwiz0rd-servermine is installing right now, and i haven't noticed any errors, just warnings.08:04
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intelikey!ubuntuguide08:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:04
omarhey Philip5 you still there?08:05
intelikey!ubuntu-guide08:05
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:05
t3hwiz0rd-server!ubuntu guide08:05
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momalwell its installed some pakages so i have half dapper and hald edgy so now im all back to console at the moment since kde is broken because of it08:05
t3hwiz0rd-servermomal: i am doing it right now i'll see if i have anything go funny08:05
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larson9999hedgy?08:05
t3hwiz0rd-serverlol08:05
t3hwiz0rd-serveri'd be more like Dredgy08:06
intelikeythere was a factoid on that, i think, it said it's outdated don't follow it....  but i could have my howto's mixed up.08:06
momalits be more like doesn't work so my system is useless at the moment because of it08:06
intelikey!work08:06
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.08:06
larson9999this is the best release yet!08:07
momalacualy it does its sits on my desk it can't go on irc becuase its al screwed up08:07
momalso it doesn't work08:07
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larson9999that line cracks me up.  if it's not the best release yet, why release?08:07
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zordasome one tell me08:08
momalhow can i get errors from apt-get into a file | >> doesn't seem to be working for the errrors08:08
zordai need linux that does something08:08
larson9999i used to not work.  but, i finally got a job.  good thing.  my wife was getting tired of me on the couch all day08:08
dudehi momal08:08
dudehi guys08:08
zordaand that i dont note have to fight to use all of my info08:08
zordaam i out of luck?08:08
larson9999what's your problem zorda?08:09
intelikeylarson9999 hehhe yeah each one is xX better than the one before but it seems odd to me that if you actually compare dapper to warty you don't see much improvement.....08:09
zordai cant use any of my fliles and im geting pissed08:09
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zordaand helll i cant even get mp3 to work08:09
larson9999intelikey: just once i'd like to see, "this release is a bit worse than the last but we figured, 'what the hey?' and released anyway."08:10
intelikeyzorda that's because mp3 is not free08:10
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intelikeylarson9999 :)08:10
zordaintelikey:  i know but a check or a small instal whould be nice08:11
larson9999zorda: what are you using as an 'install guide'?08:11
zordaubontus shit help08:11
zordaoh08:11
zordacrap this is FND isnt it08:11
intelikey!language08:11
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.08:11
zordaKND08:11
larson9999zorda new to linux?08:12
intelikeykde ?08:12
zordavery08:12
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intelikey!kde08:14
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE08:14
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intelikey!kubuntu08:15
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop08:15
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zordaOh KND is ubuntu with out gnome?08:16
larson9999zorda: i don't know about the rest here but i find the unofficial ubuntu guide to be the best guide for newbies who don't want to read a HUGE book to get started but yet need step by step instructions.  the thing is it's for ubuntu so there are a couple things that need to change like kdesu instead of gedit.  i recommend you use it.  if you like, even go with ubuntu instead of kubuntu so it's exactly what you want.  just my two cen08:16
larson9999ts.  there are others here who are 'smarter'.  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy08:16
larson9999it's exactly what you want = so the instructions match your distro exactly.08:17
zordaah08:17
zorda i mean i have no proble reading a book but...08:17
zordathat guid that ubuntu made was...08:18
zordaa monster08:18
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larson9999zorda since you're new, my recommendation is you read and follow it from start to finish.  it's not that long really and will give you good insight for minimal reading.08:18
zordaah ok08:18
zordacrap08:18
zordaim outdated08:18
t3hwiz0rd-serverlol08:18
zordai have draper08:18
t3hwiz0rd-serverdraper?08:19
larson9999zorda: well there is a dapper version of the same document08:19
zordado i need edgy?08:19
zordai see that but08:19
t3hwiz0rd-serveryou don't need edy08:19
t3hwiz0rd-serveredgy08:19
zordashould i get edgy?08:19
zordaok08:19
zordais it buggy?08:19
t3hwiz0rd-serverlinux itself is buggy... how buggy depends on the individual really08:19
larson9999zorda: i don't think you need edgy.  it's not that but dapper was good and if you already have it and don't want to dl edgy.  anyway either way is fine if you ask me.08:20
intelikeyzorda you might be better off using the dapper version, seeing that edgy just released today.08:20
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zordalol today?08:20
zordathen it is buggy08:20
usamahashimihi all08:20
larson9999zorda: intelikey has a point there :)08:20
intelikeyalso daper is the LTS = long term support  release.08:21
zordaneeds about a week for them to patch it up08:21
nikondapper, for me, helped alot. i was a complete newb(still am in some areas) before i found ubuntu.08:21
t3hwiz0rd-serverintelikey: theres really nothing wrong with upgrading though08:21
t3hwiz0rd-serverintelikey: it can be risky but i'd hardly say that kubuntu team would release a broken OS08:22
zordawell i am a windows hacker but thats not going to help much here will it?08:22
t3hwiz0rd-serverthey're not suse for crying out loud08:22
larson9999install dapper and play with it for a while.  when you're more comforatable, upgrade08:22
usamahashimiwhen i try to connect to internet via kppp, it gives error; The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so(None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)08:22
t3hwiz0rd-serverbreezy was my first long-term debian distro08:22
intelikeya new release gets heavier usage the first few days and thus more bugs/querks/oddities are found the first week or two after release.08:22
zordai have daper i got in the mail08:22
larson9999zorda: a good hack is a good hack.08:22
momalhow can i get aptitude to use proxy???08:23
zordalarson9999:  then a bad hack am i08:23
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t3hwiz0rd-serverokay08:23
t3hwiz0rd-serveri already know i am gonna have a problem with edgy08:23
t3hwiz0rd-serverlol08:23
hammerusamahashimi: remove # in /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options08:23
t3hwiz0rd-serverkdm failed on reboot een lol08:24
nikonwhy is that t3h??08:24
nikonnvm08:24
t3hwiz0rd-serverthough i probably just need to install the nvidia drivers.08:24
t3hwiz0rd-serveri reckon.08:24
t3hwiz0rd-serveror rather re-install08:24
nikonedgy dl just finnished08:24
intelikeyt3hwiz0rd-server then i'd say you haven't followed the releases very closly.     example one the security updated that broke xorg about a month ago... example two the dapper final that couldn't boot from scsi drives... example three....08:24
t3hwiz0rd-serverohh wiat08:25
t3hwiz0rd-serverX did work, just fine08:25
t3hwiz0rd-serverintelikey: how bout them apples! no problems08:25
zordawhoa i can get realplayer?08:25
nikonyes08:25
zordathen any chance of winamp?08:25
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larson9999zorda: you can get all that's in that doc :)08:25
usamahashimihammer: can u explain, why i have to remove this file?08:26
nikoni dont know about winamp? can you08:26
lotusleafzorda: re: winamp #winehq08:26
hammerusamahashimi: no =) i had the same problem and that helped =)08:26
nikoni rather uss amarok08:26
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larson9999i think winamp is what drove me from windows!08:27
en1gmasup all08:27
intelikeyt3hwiz0rd-server but i'm not against anyone using even the development version/s  i was just answering the question "do i need edgy, because i have dapper?"    short answer NO.   long answer already posted.08:27
usamahashimihammer: oh thanks, if it does not help, is there anything else i can try?08:27
t3hwiz0rd-serverintelikey: i agree08:27
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windwalkerHi.08:27
hammerusamahashimi: yep08:27
hammersudo pppconfig08:28
zordaok i got anothe Q is there any way i can stop ubunto from having boot contol on my comp?08:28
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T3hWiz0rdwell08:28
T3hWiz0rdedgy does seem a bit more edy08:28
T3hWiz0rdedgy... eems to run smoother08:28
hammerusamahashimi: and then sudo pon provider || poff08:28
en1gmaanyone know if 6.10 edgy can install to a "bios-raid" ( 4 sata drives in raid0 stripe) it has 2 partitions on it now (1 for windows and 1 for linux if it will install to is)08:28
zordahmm08:28
draikI'mma downloading KUBUNTU EDGY EFT!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!08:29
T3hWiz0rdare there nvidia updates available too?08:29
windwalkerDoes anybody know in which file hotkeys per user are stored? I want to copy my shortcuts from one user to another08:29
zordais luinus poor?08:29
intelikeyzorda something has to manage what system boots.  if you only have one OS then choosing a boot loader is simple,  but to shorten the answer, there are options.08:29
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Admiral_Chicagowindwalker: what shortcuts?08:29
T3hWiz0rdbecause my nvidia drivers seem a bit... iunno... laggy?08:29
momalhelp someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file08:29
T3hWiz0rdlike on window refreshing perhaps? say I drag a window over terminal and the text has to repopulate08:29
windwalkerAdmiral_Chicagohotkeys like alt+F2 for example08:30
T3hWiz0rdits not really smooth.08:30
usamahashimihammer: what it will do?08:30
Admiral_Chicagowindwalker: those are system wide08:30
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: any idea why it'd do that?08:30
Admiral_Chicagoby default alt + f2 will bring run command in kubuntu08:30
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: its been doing it for a week or so now... just seemigly slow refresh response08:30
draikEveryone on Edgy, do you notice a difference in loading time than from Dapper?08:30
windwalkeri though I can change if for a different user :(08:30
T3hWiz0rddraik: loading time as in boot-up?08:30
zordaIts faster?08:30
nikonmuch faster08:30
T3hWiz0rdmy refresh rates seem to be poop though08:31
intelikeyt3hwiz0rd using nv or nvidia propriatary ?08:31
hammerusamahashimi: pppconfig will create an account and pon account_name will connect you. poff will disconnect.08:31
nikonnot a problem here08:31
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: nvidia08:31
draikyes T3hWiz0rd08:31
zordaso umm08:31
en1gmawhat about my Q08:31
intelikeythen idk.08:31
en1gmaanyone know if 6.10 edgy can install to a "bios-raid" ( 4 sata drives in raid0 stripe) it has 2 partitions on it now (1 for windows and 1 for linux if it will install to is)08:31
zordacan i change my ip leagly on this OS?08:31
Admiral_Chicagowindwalker i think you can08:32
windwalkerI am not speaking about ALT+F2 I want to change for example ctrl+shift+k to ctrl+space only for one user. Does this mean everyone will change keyboard layouts with ctrl+space from now on???08:32
draikzorda, what IP?08:32
draikzorda, world IP or network?08:32
zordano08:32
Admiral_Chicagohold on08:32
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: should i re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?08:32
zordanetwork08:32
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usamahashimihammer: thanks a lot08:32
draikYou can as long as there isn't another computer using that IP, zorda08:32
Admiral_Chicago!shortcut > windwalker08:32
hammerusamahashimi: u r welcome =)08:32
usamahashimihammer: can u tell me that how can i restart my sound server08:33
windwalker!shortcut08:33
ubotuKeyboard shortcuts can be set in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts (Gnome) or "input actions" in Kcontrol (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net08:33
intelikeyzorda yes     and no.  you can't pirate the inet but you can use any ip that is not reserved        afaik08:33
en1gmawhat about my Q08:33
zordaso how can i find out if no ones using it?08:33
hammerusamahashimi: hmmm... killall artsd =)08:33
draikwindwalker, I use keytouch and it works great08:33
windwalkerI will read about this. 10x. I just thought this is a file in every user's directory :(08:34
usamahashimihammer: will it stop or restart (i think stop only :)08:34
zordaman my bro was right this is a hack boxleagla changing ips YES!08:34
draikzorda, type         ping -c 4 123.456.789.xxx08:34
draikping that IP address that you want08:34
draikif it's responding, its taken08:34
zordaping -c 4 123.456.789.xxx08:34
intelikeythere are netblocks reserved.  you need to research that issue.  before you waid off into it to deep.08:34
hammerusamahashimi: it should start then automatically =)08:35
zorda         ping -c 4 123.456.789.xxx08:35
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: ahh much better08:35
draikzorda, type that in a konsole window08:35
usamahashimihammer: hmm, lemme check08:35
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: rerunning the xserver-xorg reconfigure made a good difference08:35
intelikeyone example 196.*.*.* is reserved08:35
zordakay08:35
draikbut change the numbers to reflect the IP address that you want08:35
hammerusamahashimi: or just go to System Settings -> Sound & Multimedia change there anything twice and apply08:36
usamahashimihammer: thanks08:36
intelikeyT3hWiz0rd i bet it set it to use nv in place of nvidia  but i could be wrong     grep -ie nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:36
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draik:(  no peers for the DVD torrent08:36
zordaHmm i got ping: unknown host 123.456.789.xxx08:36
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: i reran the configure and its working nicely now.08:36
en1gmaus ut possible to have a dual boot usb thumb drive08:36
zordathat means its taken right?08:36
draikzorda, change those numbers to the IP address that you want08:36
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charlie5hi, is there a way to make view filers in kde permanent (for ignoring .o, etc files)08:37
charlie5<filters>08:37
en1gmaus ut possible to have a dual boot usb thumb drive08:37
nikontime to install edgy be back. muahahaha08:37
larson9999en1gma: shouuld be.  i haven't tried but i'm going to sometime this week.08:37
usamahashimihammer: now, after using gnome for many months, i switched to kde08:37
hammerusamahashimi: my congratulations =)08:38
en1gmai was thinking bout getting a thumbdrive but if i gonna dual boot i need to make sure i get a big one08:38
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intelikeycharlie5 what's wrong with     menu itom " save profile "08:38
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hammerusamahashimi: and what d'u think about it?08:38
T3hWiz0rdis there a way to add the most common used programs field in the kmenu on kubuntu?08:38
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orkid__i wouldn't use a usb stick as ahard disk. flash wears out08:39
draikIs it faster to download the ISO?08:39
n3stormgoodmorning08:39
intelikeyT3hWiz0rd right click on the task bar and set the menu to display the 5 most frequently used08:39
usamahashimihammer: gnome is too simple, u can not configure it according to ur needs, although its speedy but it sucks08:39
draikrather than from the torrent?08:39
intelikeyor 1008:39
intelikeypick a number08:39
zordahmm im sure there is a prog somewhere to do about 1000 pings at a time..08:39
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charlie5intelikey: hopefully nothing ... thanks ... i didn't realise that would save view filters ... sorry, i shoulda tried it08:40
n3stormI can't dist-upgrade because a package is not being removed08:40
draikzorda, change the command from 4 to 100008:40
n3stormis not a kubuntu package08:40
n3stormhow may I force the removal?08:40
n3stormapt-get says a file is missing from the package08:40
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intelikeycharlie5 don't appologize to me, i was just guessing.  i havent seen kde in quite some time.08:40
hammerusamahashimi: i'd never actually used gnome =)08:41
T3hWiz0rdk sweet thanks08:41
n3storm"/var/lib/dpkg/info/spring-basedata.postrm: line 23: spring-modupdate: order not found"08:41
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zordadraik:  what?08:41
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draikzorda what IP address do you want on your network?08:41
T3hWiz0rdalright...08:41
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T3hWiz0rdintelikey: i am sure there are bugs, but edgy is certainly going to be a leaps and bounds for kubuntu.08:42
shefthello, i downloaded a .deb-file, how do i install it?08:42
charlie5intelikey: ok, i'll try it anyhows08:42
hammer!dpkg08:42
ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.08:42
intelikeyT3hWiz0rd great. good to hear it.08:42
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cpk2argh ubuntu.come/download redirects to that crappy download page now?!?!08:42
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: i think its safe to say it just whomped suse lol08:42
intelikey:)08:42
zordaDraik i need a bunch08:42
draik???08:43
draikI thought you wanted to change your IP address on the network08:43
hammersheft: or just right-click =)08:43
intelikeyi would still be using mandrake 9 if it was still supported.....    @ T3hWiz0rd   :)08:43
usamahashimihammer: a person used to use kde can never ever like gnome (as he like customization), the gnome developers want u to use gnome according to their wills08:43
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: lol you are your internal zealotism :-P08:43
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: i never did try mandrake.08:43
T3hWiz0rdintelikey: maybe one day...08:43
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larson9999lol@intelikey.08:44
intelikeywhen it changed to mandriva it kinda lost me......08:44
T3hWiz0rdwhy? name too fruity?08:44
intelikey</shrugs>08:44
T3hWiz0rdlol...08:44
larson9999intelikey: well most of the versions after 9 were 'the best release ever'08:44
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draikfrom anyone reading this, does anyone know what zorda was trying to do?08:45
intelikeyyeah that and the french really showed their general contempt for "su"  about the same time.  that might have had some affect.08:45
zordathanks for all the help though08:45
zordano i dont know08:45
zordajusr bing stupid08:45
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zordatrying to find how to change my ip08:46
intelikeylarson9999 absoposalutely    :)08:46
zordabut i was too stupid to keep it going08:46
larson9999intelikey: actually, i was thinking about giving 2007 a go.  the inclusion of the 'wine' stuff almost made me give it a go.08:46
zordaim sorry08:46
zordahmm08:46
T3hWiz0rdhmmmf08:46
greghi everybody08:46
draiksorry zorda, I think I may have misunderstood your needs08:46
intelikeylarson9999 i would if i could dl it at more than 4k/sec08:46
zordai think i have advansed to script kiddy couse i atcly came and admited i was stupid ans i was sorry08:47
zordaNo its my fault im a compleat dumb ass08:47
zordasorry08:47
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zordaDumb arse08:47
T3hWiz0rdgaim 2 beta? how risky...08:48
momalapt-get -f install | says needs libuim3 or what ever | then running apt-get dist-upgrade | says it couln't be set up because of libuim3 trying to overwrite a file in another .deb file.08:48
zordalol08:48
momalhelp someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file08:48
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larson9999intelikey: i used mdk from about 1998 until about 6 months ago.  i think i'll stick with *buntu for a while.  actually, i really like xubuntu.08:48
draikIt's ok zorda. If you tell me exactly what you want to do I can walk you through it08:48
zordareally?08:49
zordai just wanted to change my ip08:49
intelikeyyeah xub is nice08:49
draikzorda, are you running Dapper or Edgy?08:49
zordaDapper08:49
draikOk08:49
draikGo to K Menu > System Settings > Network Settings08:50
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intelikeylarson9999 i'm in a or several consoles about 98% of the time so linux is linux from this perspective.   minor differances in package/management is about it.08:50
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zordai shuld have a box with pics of ether net cards right?08:51
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draikyup08:51
draiketh0 is the specific one you should be looking at08:51
draikenter Admin Mode08:51
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zordaWell i am learning how to conver KND to ubunto!08:51
usamahashimiwhy there is no shipment of free cds of [k] ubuntu 6.10?08:51
zordaok08:52
zordathere08:52
larson9999intelikey: i'm in the gui a lot and i tend to feel the same way :)  and ubuntu has the better philosphy imho08:52
zordaomfg08:52
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draikdouble click on the eth0 line and then change it to manual and set the IP you want08:52
zordadraik am i seeing what i think i am seeing?08:52
draikdepends, what are you seeing?08:53
zordai can make my own stadic...08:53
draikyup08:53
larson9999zorda: are you pickturing me in a thong?08:53
draikthat's what you're going to do08:53
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draiklarson9999, I'm picturing you next to a few empty beers right now :)08:53
zordalarson9999:  Why Yes, I am08:53
larson9999draik: not bad.08:53
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draikLOL08:54
larson9999zorda: you're system is more messed up than i thought08:54
ubuntuif i just format my root partition and install will that screw with my /home in anyway??08:54
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zordaNo08:54
T3hWiz0rdlol08:54
zordaIm just stright08:55
T3hWiz0rdthe poor edgy repos are being molested08:55
zordaYou sre high08:55
cpk2usamahashimi: I think they are only doing shipit for LTS releases08:55
zordaKnow put away the durgs for i crak a i beam on your head08:55
intelikeyok i think i'll configure a kernel right quick    have another off net box that does some hoop jumping... later fellas and gals08:55
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zordadraik: Do you know a prog for pinging ips?08:56
larson9999ubuntu during the install there is a place to tell it which partitions to format.08:56
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draikyes, it's called           ping08:56
larson9999how about ping?08:57
zordaI mean like 100 at a time08:57
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zordaor 10000000 of em08:57
draikif you know the IP you want to ping, just type              ping -c (# of pings you want to do) Their.Own.IP.Address08:57
zordaAnd if i dont?08:58
draikthen you can't08:58
draikIf you don't know you're friend's house, how do you know what door to knock on?08:58
zordaSo i fumble in the dark typing out ping -c 345,654.545 i milion times?08:58
draikno08:59
larson9999zorda what's the point of pinging a million times?08:59
draikping -c 4 192.168.0.108:59
zordaI mean a million diffrent pings08:59
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zordaothough08:59
usamahashimicpk2: hmm, it means dialup users like me now have some hard time!08:59
larson9999zorda what's the point of pinging a million different pings?08:59
zordathat might be a way to piss some one off08:59
draiklarson9999, sounds like zorda here wants to DoS a system08:59
zordaTo find out whitch are taken09:00
draikPing of Death09:00
zordaNo09:00
larson9999draik: that's what i was thinking.09:00
draikHey zorda, what's your IP?09:00
larson9999but i'm a network dummy.09:00
draikyour network IP09:00
zordaI want to find out whitch are taken and whitch are not09:00
zordaWHAT09:00
zordaTHAT ALL PING OF DEAHT IS!>!>09:00
draikWhat is your network IP?09:00
zordadanm09:00
zordaumm09:00
zordaWhere do i find this ins Ubunto?09:01
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zordai know in windows ut09:01
draikfind what/09:01
draik?09:01
zordanetwork ip09:01
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draikifconfig09:02
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draikjust type that in konsole09:02
zordain komand?09:02
zordaok09:02
zorda192.168.1.10009:03
zordathat me09:03
draikok09:03
draikso then type this09:03
draikping 192.168.1.10009:03
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cpk2usamahashimi: I dont know I am willing to bet you might find people who might want to ship you a dvd if you are in their region =)09:03
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zordalol09:04
zordai ping of deathed my slef right?09:04
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draikwhy not? You want to harm someone else?09:05
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zordano09:05
zordai wanted to find a open ip09:05
draikso what's with the million pings?09:05
zordato ping a millon difrent ips09:05
draikwho is the netadmin at your place?09:05
zordamy self09:06
zordalol09:06
ubuntuhaalo@ all. i have bought me some weeks ago a core 2 duo e6700! my new board support 64bit? what for a version of kubuntu i have to use? the 32bit version or the 64? does the 64 version support core2 duo,(because there written amd64 & xeon. please help me09:06
draikand you don't know which ones are taken???09:06
sF|Xemanthhas anybody done dapper -> edgy apt dist-upgrade ? will i get major probs ?09:06
zordalook09:06
zordaim loking at worldwide09:06
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zordaso i can find a new ip09:06
draikworld IP or for your network?09:06
zordano09:06
zordamy own rouder / cable modam deal09:07
momalsF|Xemanth: yes i did it and now my whole box is screwed.. so don't do it09:07
draik2 diff things09:07
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draikyour modem IP or your router IP?09:07
sF|Xemanthmomal: :D09:07
momalhelp someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file09:07
zordahmm modem seems smarter09:07
sF|Xemanthmomal: you had kde 355 in your dapper ?09:07
draikmomal, have you tried aptitude?09:08
draikzorda, then call your ISP09:08
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zordaThats all i can do?09:08
momalyup aptitude just goes through some more but same prob at the end09:08
zordado that im scared i want a stadic ip thing?09:08
momaland sF: yea i had kde 35509:08
zordai heard that works09:08
ubuntucan sombody give me an advice 64-bit or 32bit version of kubuntu? (core 2 duo e6700 & gigabyte dq609:09
draikthen pay more $$$ to your ISP and they will give you a static IP09:09
sF|Xemanthmomal: huh09:09
zordabut murdocks going to buy my ass09:09
momalsF: I had kde 3.5.5 installed in dapper... thats what you asked09:09
zordaarse sorry09:10
zordaMurder dock09:10
zordaill call him that09:10
momalhow can i set eth0 to goto dchp via console?09:10
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Basic_pyif I setup a ubuntu package archive mirror, is that the same packages for kubuntu or do I need to setup a kubuntu package archive mirror too?09:11
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draikmomal, I don't know about konsole, but I can help you through GUI if available09:11
sF|Xemanthmomal: i'm wondering that will same happen to me if i do edgy upgrade :|09:12
momalcan't dont' have any gui at all since it all broke trying to go to edgy09:12
zordawell thanks a bunch for the hacking lessons draik09:12
draikhacking???09:12
draikyeah.......ok09:12
zordalol you tought me ping of death09:12
T3hWiz0rdwell that was interesting... lol09:12
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T3hWiz0rddraik: but know something thats more interesting? my cucumber melon lotion :-) lol09:12
draikyou're telling me T3hWiz0rd09:12
teflonhi09:12
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T3hWiz0rddraik: you 1337 h4x0r you09:13
draikLOL09:13
zordahmm09:13
draikT3hWiz0rd: and don't you forget it!09:13
draikLMAO09:13
elfstonehello09:13
T3hWiz0rddraik: lol *puts it in his boot log so he doesn't forget*09:13
teflonErrhttp://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages09:13
teflon  404 Not Found09:13
teflonI keep getting that error09:13
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zordaONLY OLD HACKERS CAN USE WISARD!09:13
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tefloncan someone give me the real url?09:13
draikT3hWiz0rd: Thank you, much appreciated09:13
Hobbseeteflon: why are you using that anyway?09:13
T3hWiz0rdshouldn't be a / after edgy i don't think lol09:13
Hobbsee!repos09:13
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu09:13
teflonI'm trying to update to edgy09:13
elfstonedoes anyone have ubuntu 6.10 and nvidia-glx-legacy drivers installed?09:13
zordaLIKE 80s DAYS!09:13
teflon!repos09:14
T3hWiz0rdteflon: are they giving you some problems?09:14
T3hWiz0rd!sources09:14
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu09:14
teflonwell I don't know if I'm missing packages because I can't access that url09:14
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T3hWiz0rddraik: well mr. 1337 h4x0r09:15
T3hWiz0rddraik: *snicker* i am gonna go get a coffee real fast.09:15
teflonyeah I know how to add them but the intructions on kubuntu's website say that I should just og to the /etc/apt/sources and change all dapper words to edgy09:15
draikT3hWiz0rd: and I'm going to get some sleep soon09:15
T3hWiz0rdsleep09:15
T3hWiz0rdYOU'RE NO HACKER! POSER!09:15
zordahey does sudo s work in ubunto?09:15
teflonthe sudo command?09:16
zordayea09:16
teflonyes that does work09:16
zordai cant use it09:16
zordai cant type my pass owrd09:16
zordait was password but09:16
teflontry installing it from the package manager09:16
zordasays09:16
T3hWiz0rderrrrr I really need to change the colours in irssi09:16
T3hWiz0rdlol09:16
T3hWiz0rdanyone know how to though?09:17
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teflonwhat should I do then to update guys?09:17
teflonno?09:17
teflonwhat is this !sources thing? why the question mark?09:19
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zordabecouse its late and things look wierd with your eyes sqinted09:19
teflonlol sorry it is a bad time09:20
zordaok09:20
zordasorry09:20
teflonwell I need to go anyway I'll ask later on09:20
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teflonnp09:20
tristanhello all09:20
teflonI'm sure I will find the answer anyways09:20
zordaHi TRSITAN!09:20
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teflonbut can anyone tell me if I can leave sudo apt-get dist-update will it install all the packages automatically or wait for a prompt?09:21
tristanI have a small question regarding upgrade (I have not done it yet). If I carefully look at the how to upgrade i see I have to reinstall kubuntu desktop. Will it erase my previous settings?09:21
MasterEvilAce!w32codecs09:21
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:21
zordame so tired09:22
tristanandersgo, I also have a gnome desktop, do I have to do anything else to upgrade that part09:22
momalCan someone tell me how do I remove everything from my system expect the bear minimun then how to reinstall all edgy stuff for kubuntu-desktop ???09:22
zordaboot the cd09:23
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zordai will CRACK LESTAI!09:24
zordadraik:  so if i change my rouders ip ill still be sending with the modams ip right?09:26
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cpk2momal: err why?09:27
draikright09:27
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zordaAnd it is proably really ileagal to hack my cable modam09:27
zordaAnd im afrade of the big house....09:28
morghanphoenixAnybody know if either ext3 or fat32 has problems with saving large files, I'm having a massive slow down whenever I go above 200MB on a copy.09:28
zordaFAT does09:28
lotusleafWhere are the md5sums for: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/dvd/09:28
zordai think09:28
cpk2hrmm well i think ext3 has problems around 4tB or somesuch09:28
morghanphoenixAnything under 200MB is almost instant, above that I'm moving at 100KB/s09:28
cpk2so try not to go above that09:28
momalhelp someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file09:29
morghanphoenixIt's my portable drive, needs to keep windows compatability.09:29
lotusleafnevermind, this link is better and has md5sums: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/6.10/release/09:29
morghanphoenixOnly issue I've seen with ext3 is it's pretty slow on deleting files.09:30
lotusleafthe kubuntu.org download page should just link to the latter link I posted rather than the former09:30
lotusleafor put the md5sums in the bittorrent directory at least =)09:30
morghanphoenixAs soon as I get all this stuff off the hard drive I'm going to edgy, want to make double sure nothing goes wrong that costs me my files.09:31
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morghanphoenixFat32 definatly works better than ntfs did.09:32
momalcan anyone tell me how to get the output from apt-get into a file so i can get a copy of the errors09:32
morghanphoenixFollowed all instructions for ntfs compatability and still had massive amounts of data loss, thankfully it was mostly limited to jpgs and mp3s of which I had decents backups.09:33
momalhelp someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file09:34
morghanphoenixthere's an upgrade script09:34
teledyn!upgrade09:34
ubotuFor upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")09:34
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morghanphoenixAt least I think it's a script09:34
momalhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades <-- yea thats what i used and it screwed it all up09:35
momalcan anyone tell me how to get the output from apt-get into a file so i can get a copy of the errors09:35
Admiral_Chicagoyou should use kdesu "update-manager -c -d"09:36
teledynmomal: try to uninstall the conflicting package temporarily and reinstall later, or else temporarily move the conflicting file to a different location09:36
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momalI have no gui at moment all back to console... umm can't ever time i run apt-get it says about packages and says to run apt-get -f install so i do then it doens't want to install it....09:37
momaldo you know how to get the output from apt-get to a file? then i can upload it and show you what it is doing09:37
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teledynapt-get 2>&1 |tee apt-get .log09:38
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TanookiHey, is anyone else getting a "no root filesystem" error when trying to install 6.10?09:41
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teledynTanooki: did you select/create one during the install?09:42
momalhttp://teammid.net/aptget.txt <-- thats what happens when i run apt-get -f install | i'll get the log from apt-get dist-upgrade now09:42
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morghanphoenixHow do you move a full directory to a root only access area?09:43
jehhey folks09:43
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teledynmomal: as i said before...09:43
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TheFuzzballhello, I have just downloaded Kubuntu Edgy Alternate install CD and when I boot from it my keyboard doesn't work in text mode09:43
jehedgy is really, really nice!09:43
TheFuzzballhow can I fix?09:43
Lynouremorghanphoenix: you do not need to move it09:43
ubuntuelo09:43
TanookiYes.  I already had partitions because I had Suse on there.  That didn't work so I wiped the disk (there wasn't anything important on it) and created new partitions.  Still got the error.09:43
ubuntu__gruszczyn jestes09:43
teledynmorghanphoenix: just change the perms on it with chmod/chown09:43
Admiral_Chicagomomal: try sudo dpkg-regonfigure xserver-xorg09:43
Lynouremorghanphoenix: you can just change the permissions09:43
ubuntucmilu pakostrzale :P09:43
ubuntu__huj ci w dupe09:43
Rajah3000what's the best file sharing GUI; if any for kubuntu?09:43
draikGoodnight all...09:43
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JAGfucking SOISK09:44
TheFuzzballRajah3000, Limewire09:44
morghanphoenixI'm trying to drop all my themes and wallpapers with the rest of them, right now they're in my home and I want to free up space by moving them to the root partition.09:44
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Jarciomarcin09:44
Jarciozaraz masz kape09:44
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Rajah3000Word!...Ok, I was using gtk-gnutella on Ubuntu, but I'll try it out:-)09:44
teledynAdmiral_Chicago: wtf does that have to do at all with his problem????09:45
Jarciogrusczynski wylacz tego chata !!! zaraz masz jedynke z pracy na lekcji !!!09:45
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Lynoure!pl09:45
ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl09:45
teledyn!pl |Jarcio09:45
ubotuJarcio: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl09:45
Admiral_Chicagoteledyn: i assumed that may be part of the problem09:45
Jarciojebie wasza pomoc09:45
JAGpanowie09:45
Admiral_Chicagoas he can't launch X09:45
Jarciopierdole was jebane boty09:46
teledynAdmiral_Chicago: and your assumption was completely off09:46
JAGjaka jest komenda do czyszczenia ekranu w konsoli??09:46
TheFuzzballanyway, How and I fix my keyboard problem09:46
TheFuzzball?09:46
teledynAdmiral_Chicago: don't tell people to do things based on loose assumptions09:46
momalxorg don't even exist at the moment since the dis-upgrade never completed... umm moving those files doesn't do anything09:46
teledynmomal: i wrote and told you what to do 5 minutes ago09:47
Jarcionic dla ciebie patafianie09:47
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Admiral_Chicagotry sudo aptitude purge libuim309:47
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Jarciohi my name's jarcio I'm looking for frends09:48
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Admiral_Chicagomomal: try that command09:48
teledynAdmiral_Chicago: no!09:48
Jarciomomal09:48
JAGchuj wam w dupe09:49
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Tanookiteledyn: Yes.  I already had partitions because I had Suse on there.  I intended to simply overwrite it.  That didn't work so I wiped the disk (there wasn't anything important on it) and created new partitions.  Still got the error.09:49
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JAGWINDOWS RULEZZ :P09:49
JAGd09:49
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teledyneither temporarily move those 2 files or try to remove libuim009:49
TheFuzzballJAG, windows are very necesary :)09:50
morghanphoenixTell that to my girlfriend's still patching XP box, I started updating it around noon, it's 13 hours later.09:50
momaldoesn't work anyway09:50
TheFuzzballlol09:50
momalhttp://teammid.net/aptitude.txt09:50
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teledynTanooki: you created the partitions but did you assign the mount point /  to one of them?09:50
TheFuzzballcan someone help me with the Kubuntu 6.10 installer please??09:51
TanookiYes.  At the "Prepare mount points" dialog I assigned one of them to /09:51
teledynmomal: are you going to just keep ignoring me?09:51
TheFuzzballthe keyboard doesn't work when I try to install09:51
teledynfine, I will just put you on ignore09:51
momali tried dpkg-reconfigure09:52
momali said xorg isn't even on09:52
Tanookiteledyn:  I press "Continue" and the error pops up.09:52
momalthats all you said and to move the files... i tried that09:52
momali tried removing the package and doesn't work09:52
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Admiral_Chicagomomal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bug/6221109:52
Admiral_Chicagothere is no resolution yet09:52
teledynmomal: you moved the files?09:53
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momali moved the files it was trying to over write i moved the .deb files09:53
momalstill same errors09:53
ziabicehi!09:53
teledynmomal: what is this then?  "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo', which is also in package libuim0"09:53
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momalyea i removed that file and it still shows09:54
teledynmomal: if you do ls -la /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo', which is also in package libuim0  what does it show?09:54
teledynoops09:54
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teledynmomal: if you do ls -la /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo'  what does it show?09:55
teledynmomal: if you do ls -la /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo09:55
momalnothing09:55
momaldoesn't exist09:55
momalfile isn't there09:56
teledynTanooki: if you go into a shell and type 'mount' do you see the target for the installer mounted?09:56
arnauHello. Somebody can help me about printers configuration?09:56
teledynmomal: what about   dpkg -P libuim009:56
momaladmiral_chicago: then how can i not use uim?? and use kubuntu ?09:56
Tanookiteledyn: nope09:56
teledynTanooki: i'm not sure what's going on.  you should see the the target partition mounted somewhere09:57
Admiral_Chicagohmm i'm researching now09:57
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the-ermIs there a special way to upgrade kubuntu?09:58
teledynmomal: is this blocking your whole upgrade, or just the installation of these packages?09:58
Admiral_Chicagoit seems like it is critical to X as it is an input library09:58
Tanookiteledyn:  there's no /dev/hda anything mounted.09:58
teledyn!upgrade |the-erm09:58
ubotuthe-erm: For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")09:58
momalok seemed that did it now i have to figure out what has been installed and what hasn't >_<09:58
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Admiral_Chicagomomal: i'd sign up to the launchpad site, report the bug and follow the change log10:00
Admiral_Chicagohttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bug/62211 i've already edited slightly10:00
Admiral_Chicagoyou may want to show ways to duplicate the bug10:00
teledynTanooki: what is the output of mount?  can you paste it in #flood?10:00
jehdoes kubuntu have a package search function? i need a package that has /usr/include/linux/string.h10:01
teledynjeh: apt-file10:01
jehteledyn: ah, of course. thanks10:01
teledynjeh: that is a package content search function.  apt-cache will search for packages10:02
jehteledyn: yes, i need just that10:02
jehon my debian that file is in the kernel-headers package, but not on edgy10:02
Admiral_Chicagojeh apt-cache search10:03
Rajah3000does anyone know what in Kubuntu you would open a '.run' file in?10:03
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teledynAdmiral_Chicago: that will not find a file in a package.10:03
Admiral_Chicagoah i need to read closer10:03
Admiral_Chicagoit's 3 in the morning here10:03
teledynAdmiral_Chicago: i know you want to be helpful and all, but you're advice to people is crap.10:03
Admiral_Chicagoteledyn: not usually i'm just really tired10:04
teledynok10:04
jehAdmiral_Chicago: "apt-cache search /my/missing/file"?10:04
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Jarcio:)10:04
Admiral_Chicagojeh: no that searches your sources.list10:05
Admiral_Chicagono10:05
Admiral_Chicagoyour repos10:05
Admiral_Chicagosee, tired10:05
jeh:)10:05
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the-ermteledyn: thanks for the info.10:05
jehdebian has this site where you can do just this, packages.debian.org10:05
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teledynjeh: i explained what to use10:06
Tanookiteledyn: pasted it10:07
teledynTanooki: its definitely not mounted at all.  something went wrong with the installer.  maybe try a different CD10:07
teledynTanooki: are you trying to do anything unusual with the filesystem?10:08
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chakie_workteledyn: sorry, i must be a bit thick10:08
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Tanookiteledyn:  I don't think so.  I want an 80MB /boot with ext2, a 640MB swap, and a the rest of the disk, 11GB, to be / and also ext210:09
teledynTanooki: also, i think you can see the output of the installer on one of the VTs  - try ctrl-alt-[F1|F2|F3]  and see if there log output from the installer which might help you debug it10:09
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teledynTanooki: and is it a standard IDE controller?  is it perhaps a strange model or really new?10:11
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rohanare there any known edgy problems ?! since everytime i use the kubuntu 6.10 live cd, i get a message on the desktop "Kdesktop: The protocol for thee file application died unexpectedly." and my desktop is completely blank, no install or examples icon either !10:11
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teledynrohan: see /topic for known problems10:12
rohanteledyn: yes, i did see there are no known problems10:12
rohanthen is it a bug in konqi ?10:12
rohan*kubuntu10:12
rohanand, none of the vt's are working ! they are just displaying some wildly scrolling garble10:13
TanookiNo, It's an intel 440BX i think... the machine is a Toshiab Tecra 8100.  Fairly standard PIII type machine.10:13
rohansome green blocks10:13
momalhttp://teammid.net/aptgetkubuntu.txt <-- :S help10:14
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T3hWiz0rdsoo much smoother10:14
rohanT3hWiz0rd: :P10:14
chakie_workhm, no package contains /usr/include/linux/string.h. can this be true?10:14
rohanit is ? :P10:14
T3hWiz0rdzomg! its rohan!10:14
rohanit has so many goddman problems !10:14
rohanT3hWiz0rd: ;)10:14
T3hWiz0rdrohan: i haven't had a single issue yet.10:14
rohanT3hWiz0rd: there are icons on the desktop ?10:15
T3hWiz0rdrohan: what issues did you have?10:15
rohan11:13 < rohan> and, none of the vt's are working ! they are just displaying some wildly scrolling garble10:15
T3hWiz0rdrohan: yeah, but i disabled icons after i reconfigured kde10:15
chakie_workbut /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h includes /usr/include/linux/string.h. something is now a bit broken10:16
rohani mean, there were examples and install icons ?10:16
teledynTanooki: hmm very odd10:16
T3hWiz0rdrohan: everything worked fine...10:16
momalkubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed10:16
T3hWiz0rdrohan: but i upgraded from a dapper install10:17
momalE: broken packages >_<10:17
rohanT3hWiz0rd: ah10:17
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teledynTanooki: i'd try another CD.10:17
T3hWiz0rdmomal: i am beginning to think kubuntu simply hates you.10:17
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T3hWiz0rdrohan: remember to checksum your CD's before you burn them and install from them.10:17
momalworked before edgy came along >_<10:17
rohanT3hWiz0rd: the iso's you mean ? :P10:17
T3hWiz0rdrohan: yup10:18
ElectrolyteHas anyone else got a problem with fglrx on Edgy?10:18
ElectrolyteA friend of mine and me can't get it to work.10:18
ElectrolyteWe've lost all 3D acceleration :/10:18
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chakie_workdarn, i can't develop on this system, the kernel/libc headers are broken10:21
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chakie_work/usr/include/asm/io.h refers to non-existing files10:22
momalseemed i isntalled 1 lib file and xorg wants to isntall now... lol! gotta love the message "If we screw something up, restore it" that was what it said when it backed up my xorg.conf file10:23
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yacoobwhy is that, Electrolyte?10:23
GNAMauauua Freespire10:24
morghanphoenixfglrx works fine on dapper10:25
momalls10:25
Electrolyteyacoob - Freespire works out of the box.10:25
lotusleafElectrolyte: Freespire went in my garbage box10:26
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chakie_workcan someone check wether their edgy has a /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h and wether it #includes a linux/string.h file?10:26
morghanphoenixI really don't see much in the listed changes between 6.06 & 6.10 that seems interesting.10:26
ElectrolyteI've lost all 3D acceleration and tons of configurations are broken thanks to the upgrade.10:26
ElectrolyteI can't even burn the Edgy ISO to disc because I don't have a disc that's large enough :/10:26
morghanphoenixI though it was under 70010:26
ElectrolyteAnd like I said last night, I lost 4 RAM sticks after the upgrade.10:27
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lotusleafElectrolyte: when I installed Freespire, my computer exploded10:27
ElectrolyteWhen I upgraded to Edgy, I lost 2GB RAM.10:27
morghanphoenixLost RAM sticks?10:27
lotusleafElectrolyte: I'm still picking pieces out of the wall10:27
intelikeydon't fiddle around in the ram10:27
lotusleafElectrolyte: after I installed Freespire, my cat lost all of its hair10:27
Electrolytelotusleaf: Stop trying to be funny.10:27
chakie_workfsck10:27
lotusleafElectrolyte: likewise ;)10:28
morghanphoenixHow do you lose RAM sticks?10:28
intelikey " cat /proc/driver/rtc "10:28
ElectrolyteI don't know, but when I was booting up into Kubuntu Edgy the system rebooted, then I kept getting a kernel PANIC.10:28
intelikeymorghanphoenix use a 12v test light to test them ?10:28
teledynchakie_work: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <string>10:29
chakie_workteledyn: yes, i did just that. it's that the file doesn't exist in any package at all10:29
intelikeyfsck is the command for checking a file system for errors10:29
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intelikeyf s  files system   ck check10:30
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morghanphoenixI burned one up before, but I was putting RAM into an old dell and it wasn't connecting fully, made the whole stick glow red and smell really tasty.10:30
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teledynchakie_work: what about:   cd /usr/include; find ./ -name string.h10:30
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chakie_workteledyn: there is the norma /usr/include/string.h10:31
intelikeymorghanphoenix if you let the smoke out of thows little electronic parts they don't ever seem to work right again.10:31
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chakie_workteledyn: but nothing in linux/10:31
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intelikeyteledyn find /usr/include -name string.h         no need to cd10:31
rooteii10:31
rootdarme el servidor espaol10:32
teledyndpkg -S  /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h  will tell you what package owns it10:32
morghanphoenixIt's sitting on the supervisors desk at work as an example of what RAM shouldn't do.10:32
rohanT3hWiz0rd: see-10:32
rohanubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/hda1/Downloads$ md5sum kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso10:32
rohan1f9baed847eff89b03c754fcaea8070e  kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso10:32
chakie_workteledyn: /usr/include/asm/io.h includes /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h which looks for <linux/string.h>10:32
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rohanthat helps ? :P10:32
cristianohello all! i'm an italian kubuntu user and i'd like to set up a little community to create the kubuntu-it website (i see it doesn't exist) who to talk to?!?10:32
teledyndpkg -L linux-libc-dev | less10:32
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chakie_workteledyn: nope, not there10:33
morghanphoenixIs there a linux games channel?10:34
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cristianoso no info for me?10:34
momalWAAAAAHOOOOO F*** YEA!10:34
teledynusr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-1/include/linux/string.h10:34
momalsorry for swearing but finally got it al working10:34
momalwow konversation looks different from last one >_<10:34
chakie_workteledyn: ok, 2.6.17 comes with edgy, you have installed it manually?10:35
rohanmomal: yes, konversation 0.12.x that is with kde 3.5.5 is better10:35
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teledynchakie_work: actually that was from an old system that had debian on it10:35
intelikey#tome  or  #linux-tome     i really don't know.10:35
intelikey!tome10:35
chakie_workteledyn: ok10:35
ubotutome: A single-player, text-based, dungeon simulation game.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.3.3-1 (dapper), package size 2307 kB, installed size 9460 kB10:35
teledynchakie_work: i was just running locate to see what showed up.  that was in one of my backup archives10:35
intelikeyubotu not that.....10:35
momalkonversation.. 0.12x? that woudl be kopete wouln't it ? im running 1.0.1 for konversation :p10:35
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intelikey!botsnack10:36
ubotuYum!10:36
chakie_workteledyn: interesting. my dapper doesn't have that file either10:36
cristianothe new 6.10 rocks! it just needs something like 5 secs to boot! O___O10:36
chakie_workteledyn: bu my debian sarge does10:36
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teledynchakie_work: its not part of the linux-headers package?10:36
chakie_workteledyn: in linux-kernel-headers on sarge10:36
intelikeychakie_work what you looking for anyway ?10:37
oswaldosomeone know install counter-strike on kubuntu???10:37
oswaldosomeone know install counter-strike on kubuntu???10:37
chakie_workintelikey: /usr/include/asm/io.h includes /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h which looks for <linux/string.h>10:37
nebursomeone speak spanish?10:37
morghanphoenixBeen trying that myself10:37
chakie_workintelikey: and <linux/string.h> is missing10:37
oswaldoyes yo hablo espaol10:37
oswaldoyo hablo espaol10:37
oswaldosoy espaol10:37
morghanphoenixCan't get counter strike or quake working.10:37
neburhola, oswaldo10:37
intelikeysudo apt-get install linux-headers10:37
morghanphoenixDoom and cube run great though.10:38
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oswaldotu tienes counter-strike en linux10:38
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chakie_workteledyn: i have both linux-headers-2.6.17-10 and linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic installed. nothing there10:38
morghanphoenixI need to find my UO disc to see if the iris client  does well.10:38
neburno, me acabo de instalar kubuntu para probarlo y eso queria saber... de algun juego o programa que merezca la pena instalar...10:38
teledynchakie_work: did you try  updatedb then use the locate command?10:38
chakie_workteledyn: let me see10:39
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chakie_workintelikey: E: Package linux-headers has no installation candidate10:39
oswaldowhere can I get doom 3 for linux? morghanphoenix10:39
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oswaldowhere can I get doom 3 for linux? morghanphoenix10:39
oswaldowhere can I get doom 3 for linux? morghanphoenix10:39
intelikeychakie_work i noticed you specified i386   you have i386  ?10:39
cpk2!doom10:39
ubotuInformation about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org10:39
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ElectrolyteWell, I have Kubuntu Edgy mostly back to how I used to have it before.10:39
chakie_workintelikey: yes, a p410:39
ElectrolyteJust that I still can't get FGLRX to work.10:39
cristianoany of the Kubuntu guru online?!pls i need a little info10:40
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morghanphoenixHaven't found 3 myself, running 210:40
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momaledgy runs a ton faster then dapper me thinkz10:40
oswaldoahm okis nebur10:40
intelikeybut is the installed system i386   or i586/i686  smp ?10:40
oswaldotb hay un canal de #kubuntu-es en espaol10:40
chakie_workslow machine...10:40
momallol this will be interesting if vmware runs without needing a reinstall10:41
LynoureI misclicked and the trashcan disappeared from the panel, how can I get it back? (I tried googling, could not find the answer)10:41
teledynmomal: if its a different kernel it will need a reinstall10:41
momalyea :p10:41
intelikeychakie_work   uname -r      does it show   *386  ?10:41
momalalthough it did update something to do with vmware10:41
chakie_workteledyn: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/include/linux/string.h10:41
teledynmomal: because it requires the modules built against your kernel10:41
chakie_workintelikey: "2.6.17-10-generic"10:42
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intelikeythat might be part of the problem10:42
chakie_workintelikey: perhaps. uname -a gives i68610:42
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teledynmine gives 2.6.17-10-generic10:43
oswaldolook, get el download link for doom 310:43
oswaldolook, get el download link for doom 310:43
oswaldolook, get el download link for doom 310:43
oswaldolook, get the download link for doom 310:43
oswaldolook, get the download link for doom 310:43
intelikeyyes but that is actual machine arch.  not software oprimization10:43
cpk2!spam10:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:43
cpk2well you should!10:43
morghanphoenixDo you have a client malfunction, or are you just typing everything three times?10:43
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cpk2actually it was 510:43
chakie_workteledyn, intelikey: i think something should symlink into  /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/include/ ?10:44
Lynoureok, found it now10:44
morghanphoenixOnly three when I started typing, and it was three little red lines when he asked me about doom 310:44
oswaldosomeone, where get doom 3 free?10:44
T3hWiz0rdrohan: it'll get better.10:44
intelikeychakie_work ok   sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic       and see what happens.10:44
ElectrolyteAnyone else had problems with fglrx?10:44
rohanT3hWiz0rd: eh ?10:44
oswaldosomeone, where get doom 3 free?10:44
oswaldosomeone, where get doom 3 free?10:44
chakie_workintelikey: already have that package10:45
ElectrolyteYou can't.10:45
Electrolyteoswaldo: You have to buy it.10:45
T3hWiz0rdrohan: iunno... just encouraging you my indian friend :-)10:45
morghanphoenixDamn, that was why I was asking about a games channel, figured it wasn't distro specific enough for this room.10:45
cpk2no... pretty sure doom is free now10:45
chakie_workintelikey: the header was found there too, btw10:45
ElectrolyteDoom 3? cpk2, I don't think so.10:45
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intelikeychakie_work ok that's the problem  it's looking for i386 but you have generic10:45
teledynchakie_work: is this a compiler error you're getting?10:45
chakie_workintelikey: so the kernel package is actually to blame?10:46
chakie_workteledyn: yes10:46
chakie_work/usr/include/asm-i386/io.h:4:26: error: linux/string.h: No such file or directory10:46
teledynchakie_work: what's the actual error?10:46
teledynah10:46
chakie_workbefore that some "in file included from"10:46
ElectrolyteWIll have to go off and swap the RAM out from my server into this machine in a second.10:46
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intelikeychakie_work  have to adjust that accordingly      no it should get the arch from the `uname -r`  or some preset veriable10:47
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teledynchakie_work: maybe you need to install bin86?   just a wild guess10:47
teledynmaybe something else is wrong and throwing off the compiler10:48
intelikeyand seeing that   set | grep -ie i386     turns up blank i'd say the configure/makefile is to blame10:48
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chakie_workteledyn: this worked ok a few hours back as a dapper,10:49
chakie_workteledyn: checking10:49
intelikeythey have assumed i386   when it could be anything.10:49
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intelikeychakie_work but dapper wasn't using the   2.6.17-10-generic  kernel  and thus the includes for   asm-generic  rather than asm-i38610:51
chakie_workintelikey: perhaps. i think dapper had some -ix86 kernel10:51
yacoobSpeaking of which10:51
yacoobwhich edgy packages are optimized for various architectures?10:51
chakie_workintelikey: maybe i could simulate it by doing some creative symlinking?10:52
intelikeyyacoob obviously not the "generic" ones.10:52
intelikeyyes maybe10:52
yacoobintelikey, kernel and glibc I see. Anything more?10:52
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osh_Could someone test something for me? With mozilla, go to http://aftonbladet.se/ Does your browser close instantly when you go there?10:53
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chakie_workintelikey: oh, there is a linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 package10:53
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chakie_workintelikey: i'll try with that one first10:54
intelikeyln -s yacoob lots of the dev stuff   headers and so forth  are arch oriented10:54
intelikeyyacoob without the symlink   lol10:54
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giammahi to all10:54
cheewiewhera do i fint the formate stuff?10:54
intelikeychakie_work also get the headers for i38610:54
ubuntuHi10:55
teledynactually the generic one seems to be 586 optimized based on the kernel .config10:55
chakie_workintelikey: yup, this time i was way ahead :)10:55
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intelikeycheewie ?10:55
intelikeythe do what ?10:55
cheewieye that stuff when i will formate a hdd10:55
intelikeymkfs10:55
teledynchakie_work: the 386 kernel is less optimized than the generic one10:55
intelikeywhat file system you want cheewie ?10:56
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cheewiewhere d i find it on desktop mode?10:56
chakie_workteledyn: well, if the alternative is not getting work done, it doesn't matter10:56
cheewieec3 ?10:56
cheewieex310:56
rolandohi10:56
cheewieor what is the best to use?10:56
chakie_workreboot time10:56
intelikeykonsole  type  mkfs    and hit the tab key a couple of times10:56
rolandohow can i upgrade to new kubuntu 6.10 without downloading the whole ISO?10:57
rolandofrom 6.0610:57
momal!codec10:57
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ziabicerolando: update-manager -c -d10:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:57
intelikeyand if you want ext3     mkfs.ext3 /dev/<device to make the file system on>10:57
ziabicerolando: it is written into the release notes...10:57
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momallooking for the howto on installing the dvd/win32/mp3 playback10:58
momal!mp310:58
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:58
cheewieis ther enot anu console mode?10:58
rolandoziabice: thanx10:58
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rolandoi dont have to change anything in the sources.list then?10:58
ubuntuHelp10:58
intelikeycheewie example;  sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1            that's first partition on first hdar drive  format to ext310:58
ziabicerolando: gksu "update-manager -c -d"10:58
giammacristiano, are you there? :D10:59
ziabicerolando: it's all automatic10:59
cristianohere and there giamma :D10:59
rolandook ok10:59
ziabiceitaliani in cha ;)10:59
ziabiceitaliani in chan ;)10:59
cristianosi ziabice10:59
giammachan?10:59
cristianoto speak italian go to ubuntu-it10:59
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giamma:P10:59
cristianoi'm there11:00
ziabicegiamma: chan = channel11:00
giammaah, ok, thanks11:00
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wombatundercould someone please help me one on one?11:01
cristianopeople why nvidia-settings does not save my settings even if i'm root?each time i boot i need to change again my gamma :(11:01
wombatunderI'm trying to setup kubuntu11:01
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cristianowombatunder: which kind of help do u need?11:01
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chakie_workhm11:02
wombatunderI have some complicated partition issues11:02
kristjanomg I can't find /etc in edgy I11:02
momal!info w32codecs11:02
ubotuw32codecs: win32 binary codecs. In component extras, is optional. Version 1:20060611-0.0 (dapper-seveas), package size 13911 kB, installed size 33488 kB (Only available for i386)11:02
chakie_workteledyn, intelikey: no difference when running a i386 kernel11:02
intelikeykristjan try konsole11:02
kristjanintelikey: what should I type?11:03
chakie_work/usr/include/asm-i386/io.h just refers to a file that doesn't exist in any normal search paths11:03
intelikeychakie_work you have now the files ?11:03
wombatundercristiano??11:03
intelikeykristjan ls /etc11:03
johan_hej. yakuake wont start, and its driving me crazy. help anyone?11:03
intelikeykristjan what are you wanting to don in /etc11:03
kristjanintelikey: I see /etc11:04
chakie_workintelikey: sure, in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386/include/linux/string.h11:04
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kristjanintelikey: I\m in panic cause konqueror doesn't browse into /11:04
chakie_workintelikey: as well as in generic and one without any extension11:04
chakie_workintelikey: but nothing links to those files, so nothing tries to find them there11:04
yacoobHmm.11:04
intelikeykristjan why do you want konq in /   running it as root ?11:05
yacoobIs there any .swf player?11:05
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yacoobI mean, outside the browser.11:05
yacoob(under windows Media Player Classic plays swf)11:05
intelikeychakie_work what or where is it looking ?11:05
ziabicekristjan: I fired a bug report on launchpad about that11:05
ziabicekristjan: with a solution to the problem11:05
kristjanziabice: is that a new feature?11:05
cristianowombatunder: tell me11:05
chakie_workintelikey: that i don't know, but why should the compiler look into /usr/src if nothing in /usr/include links there?11:05
ziabicekristjan: one moment and I'll tell you the URL11:05
chakie_workintelikey: back in the good old days /usr/include/linux was a symlink to the kernel sources11:06
ziabicekristjan: for me is a bug, they call it "feature"... ;)11:06
intelikeychakie_work idk.   that's edgy for ya       try a   ldconfig     and see if it helps11:06
johan_libflash-swfplayer11:06
kristjanziabice: so basically they want to hide / from user?11:06
ziabicekristjan: look here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/6731411:07
ziabicekristjan: yes...11:07
chakie_workintelikey: ldconfig has nothing to do with headers, afaik11:07
ziabicekristjan: they think a user is too stoopid11:07
ziabiceops.. stupid ;)11:07
wombatunderMy original windows install died so I installed a second hdd and re-installed windows on a 20 gig partition and am now trying to install Kubuntu on the remaining space ion the new hard drive11:07
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ziabicekristjan: BTW hust remove or rename the file .hidden in your / dir11:08
yacoobjohan_, thanks.11:08
ziabicekristjan: BTW just remove or rename the file .hidden in your / dir11:08
ziabicesorry for my typos...11:08
CVirusdamn .... while I was upgrading to edgy, this happened http://rafb.net/paste/results/TeHUe673.html11:08
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chakie_workon a debian sarge /usr/include/linux/string.h comes from linux-kernel-headers, on edgy /usr/include/linux/ comes from linux-libc-dev, which seems stupid11:09
kristjanziabice: should I add comment to this bug that I also have it_11:09
the-ermNow you're scaring me CVirus.11:09
wombatundercristiano: I think the kubuntu install is going to try to change stuff on the original hard drive, which is NTFS and I don't want touched, but would like to be able to see.11:09
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rohanCVirus: try dist upgrade again11:09
grotheskHello!11:10
intelikeythe nomanclature of the linux file system is about as open as the code....     for instants in dapper kdm writes in  /root/   something i thought should never be done by a user interactive app   but they saw nothing wrong with hard coding  /root/ into kdm  so that ever user actually alters data in /root/     ;/11:10
CVirusrohan: it tells me to run apt-get -f install11:10
morghanphoenixcode 1 is not your friend11:10
rohanCVirus: ah yes, do that .. that'll help :)11:10
grotheskIn Edgy, my soundcard is  not the first sounddevice that ist used. It is my tvcard instead. How do I set my soundcard al default audiodevice?11:10
morghanphoenixWow, that freed up a LOT of space!11:11
intelikeyedgy doesn't supprise me yet.....11:11
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morghanphoenixAll these lovely stories about edgy upgrades, how do I just upgrade KDE?11:12
|lostbyte|Any one here had a sucessfull edgy upgrade, raise your hands ?11:12
cristianowombatunder: u need an unpartioned empty space for linux11:12
rohanmorghanphoenix: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop11:12
ziabicekristjan: I think that every kubuntu user have it, it's a kubuntu-default-settings behavior...11:12
cristianowombatunder: u should use a program like partition magic or qtparted to use some of the empty space of the NTFS partition to create an empty partition with no filesystem on it11:13
chakie_workfsck, i'm at loss here. seems that i have to reinstall dapper so that i can get on with work :(11:13
wombatundercristiano: I am upto step 6 in the install and am worried about the line "GRUB will be installed to (hd0)" as I assume this means Primary Master Drive?11:13
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cristianowombatunder: don't u have any other hd?11:13
wombatundercristiano:I have 20 gig of empty space for linux to use11:13
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kristjanziabice: hmm I guess I'll leave /.hidden there and browse with "shoe hidden files"11:14
morghanphoenixARGH! How can I tell what's using SDA1 so I can kill it and remove my external drive?11:14
cristianowombatunder: u can tell ubiquity to use that space, u should "manual edit" the partition table during installation11:15
ziabicekristjan: I simply renamed it11:15
morghanphoenixAck! third times a charm, didn't even work cli, guess whatever was using it quit on it's own11:15
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rickymplhello, everyone11:16
ziabicekristjan: but maybe the best practice is to edit the file that it point to11:16
wombatundercristiano:I have two hhd's one NTFS as Primary Master and one 40 gig as Secondary master. I have my new windows install running from a 20 gig partition on the Secondary Master and want to install Kubuntu on the sapre 20 gig on the Secondary master. Does this "GRUB will be installed to (hd0)" mean the install is going to try to write to the Primary master?11:16
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anilHI all, I have a problem while booting into my ubuntu machine. Actually I tried updating kubuntu to 3.5.5 a couple of days before and this happened. I would like to know where can I find some kind of a log file so that I can paste it in here for your feedback. Thanks.11:17
morghanphoenixCan I remove the autoruns from an external hard drive, I think all it does is load the logo for windows icons.11:17
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ziabicekristjan: the file /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root11:17
cristianowombatunder: yes but it should be not a prob11:17
rickymplim having problems with my keyboard layouts,when i go to kcontrol-regional & accessiblity-keyboard layout, i get no options for available keyboard layouts11:17
wombatunderhow will it write to an NTFS partition?11:17
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cristianowombatunder: Grub is written in the MBR not properly on the NTFS partition ;)11:19
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morghanphoenixIt says kubuntu-desktop is at it's newest version, I want to upgrade KDE to the version used in edgy without going to edgy.11:19
wombatundercristiano:AHH, I understand now. Thank you!!11:19
rolandois it possible that everybody is trying to upgrade to new version and thats why i cant use update-manager properly, or is it just me?11:19
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cristianowombatunder: u welcome ;)11:21
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morghanphoenixI've heard lots of people complaining about update-managet and dist-upgrade.11:21
morghanphoenix*manager11:21
morghanphoenixstupid keyboard11:21
the-erm... don't tell me that I'm upgrading right now.11:22
morghanphoenixMicrosoft natural keyboards are anything but natural11:22
anilany one out there who can help me out11:22
the-erm15 min left for the downloads.11:22
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: i love my microsoft keyboard11:22
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: i think its the one thing microsoft did right.11:22
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anilHI all, I have a problem while booting into my ubuntu machine. Actually I tried updating kubuntu to 3.5.5 a couple of days before and this happened. I would like to know where can I find some kind of a log file so that I can paste it in here for your feedback. Thanks.11:22
cheewieon the desktop edition is there any grafic appz to run when i will formate a hdd11:22
morghanphoenixI feel like I'm playing twister without the being drunk and naked part.11:22
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T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: well what type are you sing? one of hte ones that seperates the keys in the middle?11:22
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: or one of the actual natural ones that just have nicer spaced keys11:23
morghanphoenixYeah11:23
morghanphoenixThat whole wave thing11:23
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T3hWiz0rdahh you got one of those... ew.11:23
morghanphoenixreally annoying, but I have problems with the usb keyboard so I'm stuck with this one.11:23
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: get one of their Multimedia boards. So much nicer, I love microsoft keyboards and mice.11:23
rickymplcan anyone help me out?11:23
morghanphoenixI love my logitech ones, but they're usb11:23
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: i have big hands and their keys and mice fit me perfectly.11:24
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morghanphoenixI have big hands too, but I have to type with my elbows out like I'm doing the funky chicken or something similar11:24
maverickpassword11:24
nekromaangood morning :), i upgraded from dapper -> edgy since edgy was alpha knot 3; i had the nv drivers 87.4x installed which jerks in games, then i upgraded to 89.xx and it jerks too, there is no driver problem, there must be something different or?11:24
duckdownHi all... When I try to run 'screen' when I su to another user, it keeps telling me it cannot open /dev/ptyX .. How can I fix this problem?11:25
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mavericknekromann: should i update to edgy now..i mean do u advice me to do so?11:26
morghanphoenix!upgrade11:26
ubotuFor upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")11:26
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nekromaanmaverick: edgy is now final, you can upgrade it, but if you have an nv-card and you like playing games, then i  dont know if the driver will work properly11:28
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morghanphoenixArgh! Even KDE.org gives me a link to the kubuntu site telling me 3.5.5 is included in edgy and to upgrade!11:29
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rolandoyou can install 3.5.5 and not upgrade11:29
cheewiewhat for good ftp client os out to linux11:29
morghanphoenixHow please?11:29
morghanphoenixI can't seem to find it11:29
rolandoill give you the link11:29
Tm_Tcheewie: konqueror?11:30
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morghanphoenixThanks, been hearing too many issues to go to edgy just yet.11:30
rolandohttp://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php11:30
cheewieTm_T where do i find that one?11:31
rolandothats how i did it11:31
DocTomoeHi ... for some reason, my kmail refuses to save POP/SMTP passwords, and prompts me any time a connection is made. What am I to do?11:31
nekromaandoes somebody use edgy with nv-drivers and tried a game? does it work in a normal way or jerking?11:31
rolandoDocTomoe: tried using kdewallet?11:31
Tm_Tcheewie: konqueror is the filemanager you use in KDE, also it works as web browser etc.11:31
DocTomoerolando: jupp, and kde-wallet curiously asket to unlock the wallet when I first entered the passwords in the configuration dialouge of kmail11:32
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cheewieoh thanks11:32
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rolandothen no idea11:33
morghanphoenixWorks pretty well as a web browser, although I've found it's masking to leave something to be desired.11:33
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anilThe following is the link to my Xorg.0.log file.. There are some errors at the end of the file. Please check them out and give me some feedback. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28634/11:34
ElectrolyteI can't get FGLRX to work at all.11:35
ElectrolyteIt's completely broken :/11:35
ElectrolyteAnd I think my motherboard is on it's way out, since the RAM sticks are working again _11:35
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ElectrolyteAnyone else having trouble getting fglrx to work?11:37
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rljabout to do a dist-upgrade to edgy, hoping it will be a painless process. apt-get says kubuntu-desktop will be removed. is this default behaviour?11:39
Tm_Trlj: try to install kubuntu-desktop?11:39
rljalso, why are some packages held back? are they conflicting with some i have installed?11:39
rlji have kubuntu-desktop installed11:40
maverickguys, i've just installed azureus...it won't allow me to download it sayes "operation not permitted, setlength fails....."11:40
rljapt-get dist-upgrade says before the proceed? y/n prompt that kubuntu-desktop is one of the packages that will be removed11:40
maverickalso Ktorrent says operation not permitted...11:40
morghanphoenixWow, 266M install for KDE11:40
rljwas just wondering if that is expected11:40
Tm_Trlj: Yup, you prolly have something outside from ubuntu repositories that causes some pain, just reinstall kubuntu-desktop now, I think it will take some packages uptodate with it.11:40
ElectrolyteI wouldn't recommend ANYONE upgrading to Edgy if they have an ATI graphics card.11:41
rolandomaverick: maybe you want to save your downloads in a place where you cant?11:41
morghanphoenixI've heard the same problem with nvidia11:41
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rolandoElectrolyte: dont tell me that, im doing it right now11:41
maverickno am downloading it, in an ordinary partition...11:41
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rolando:S11:41
morghanphoenixThat's one of the main reasons I'm not upgrading11:41
ElectrolyteWell rolando, my X850XT is stuck in software mode :/11:41
ElectrolyteI just can't get fglrx to function.11:41
rolandowhat drivers?11:42
ElectrolyteSo no more UT2004 for me :'(11:42
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maverickrolando:"/media/drive-1/11:42
Electrolytefglrx.11:42
Tm_Trlj: Works?11:42
morghanphoenixIt seems strange though, lots of people oohing and awwing at edgy, using the same hardware as the ones crying over thier broke 'puters.11:43
Tm_Tmorghanphoenix: Here it just been working, but I do know it could be different in other system.11:43
rolandomaverick: your user must be allowed to write there11:43
rolandotry other directory11:43
rljTm_T: hm, so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (which would upgrade it from latest dapper to latest edgy) says it can't proceed because amarok, kde-guidance, kde-guidance-powermanager, language-selector-qt and xorg won't be installed11:44
ElectrolyteIf I could do a fresh install I would do.11:44
ElectrolyteBut I don't have a disc to burn the ISO :(11:44
rljTm_T: i already have dapper amarok installed btw11:44
Tm_Trlj: hmm, and if you try to (re)install xorg, it says...11:44
rljTm_T: however, it might be that binary xorg ati driver (which i currently don't use anyway) might be messing up11:44
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Tm_Trlj: Yup, might be.11:45
rljxorg: Depends: xutils (>= 1:1.0.1-1) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is to be installed11:45
ElectrolyteI have xorg-driver-fglrx installed.11:45
ElectrolyteNot that binary one.11:45
T3hWiz0rdI am beginning to wonder if i am in a rare minority today that edgy simply... worked... for11:46
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morghanphoenixI figure between the athlon, nvidia, quantum, via and toshiba parts of my system everything is pretty common so there should be no hardware issues for me.11:46
Tm_Trlj: I see, xutils/edgy uptodate 1:7.1.1ubuntu611:46
rljhm, description in xutils in adept says it help smoothly upgrade from 5.04. i wonder if the desc is outdated or if the whole packages is obsolete?11:47
Tm_Trlj: Smells like your repositories isn't fully updated or something.11:47
Tm_Trlj: You're trying to upgrade to exgy, right?11:47
rljthey should be. hm. think i'm syncing to au.archive.ubuntu.com for some reason11:47
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rljTm_T: yep11:47
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maverickdude i knwo wht u're talking abt..this is not my problem, anyway thanks i solved it11:48
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Tm_Trlj: And you now have dapper, right?11:48
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morghanphoenixHmm, 2 min later and KDE 3.5.5 upgrad is half done, the windows update took 13 hours and I had to download it from a non-microsoft site because I don't have active-x turned on. Now whick is friendlier to it's users?11:48
Tm_Tmorghanphoenix: I am.11:49
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Tm_TJucato: Right?11:49
T3hWiz0rdcomparing windows update to apt-get updates is sort of apples and oranges11:49
JucatoO_O11:49
T3hWiz0rdphilosophically, both work depending on what you're looking at.11:49
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Tm_TT3hWiz0rd: Yes, that's why I'm more friendlier. ;)11:49
morghanphoenixmaybe apples and water buffalos would be a better comparison to the comparison.11:49
Jucato@_@11:49
T3hWiz0rdi can't really bash microsoft too bad... they did alright with XP... I'd never use it beyond Wintendo... but they did okay.11:50
T3hWiz0rdwhen you side-by-side XP to all other windows versions there was a def. overhaul in the interface and all, a good one too.11:50
morghanphoenixYeah, I had ME and for some reason it thought it was a good idea to auto-update with XP codec packs, blue screen of death every few hours from then on out, and of course microsoft wouldn't give me any support.11:51
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: its also good to note that linux is not designed as a windows replacement, merely an alternative to it.11:51
Tm_TYup, compare aeroplane and train. ;)11:51
Tm_Tboth can move people, but only other you will use to move wood.11:52
morghanphoenixI will give windows it's due in the games category, all I've found that I love on linux is vendetta-online.11:52
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cpk2doom???11:52
cpk2quake???11:52
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: remember though linux birth place is the server world. its safe to say lnux didn't kick into high-gear until about 2000, when a lot more active development started.11:52
rlj_Tm_T: i'm back11:53
cpk2both excellent games with native linux support11:53
rlj_Tm_T: our net died11:53
cpk2same with never winter nights11:53
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: so its safe to say linux's highest years are only 6 years in, and its been a huge change for it.11:53
Tm_Trlj_: How it's now?11:53
morghanphoenixPlayed those out, really sick of FPS games here.11:53
rlj_Tm_T: last thing i saw was <Tm_T> rlj: You're trying to upgrade to exgy, right?11:53
morghanphoenixYeah, it has11:53
cpk2warcraft 3 works great on wine ^^11:53
Tm_Trlj_: Ok, you are on dapper now, right?11:53
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rljTm_T: yep11:54
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rljTm_T: just before or after the net died, i said my sources.lst was referring to au.archive.ubuntu.com for some reason (not in australia anyway) so i'm gonna change it to archive.ubuntu.com to make sure to fetch from main repository11:55
morghanphoenixI shoulda done KDE-core, I'm just watching it dump everything I don't want onto my computer.11:55
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rljTm_T: hm, well it does download more now11:55
Tm_Trlj: Roger, also remember to doublecheck it all looks fine. ;)11:55
T3hWiz0rdmorghanphoenix: did you run a dis-upgrade or something?11:55
rljTm_T: it's definitely fetching new package lists11:56
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morghanphoenixno, just upgraded the KDE package to 3.5.511:56
Tm_Trlj: It should. :)11:56
Jucatomorghanphoenix: on Edgy kde-core right now :)11:56
rljguess you couldn't expect all servers to be synced yet11:56
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rljTm_T: i mean newer than the edgy ones from au.archive.ubuntu.com. that's not good though.11:56
Tm_Trlj: Should been, there hasn't been any package changes for a long tie.11:56
Tm_Ttime.11:56
cpk2i want the ability to apt-get install kde-everythingkde11:57
cpk2or somesuch which gives me everything kde11:57
rljTm_T: hm, guess you're right. the repos have been alive and synced for a long time when edgy was in dev/beta11:57
Hobbseerlj: try using deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse, instead.  with all the repos.  it's an au mirror, and it's more updated than au.archive11:57
cpk2and i mean EVERYTHING11:57
T3hWiz0rdcpk2: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop11:57
rljHobbsee: i'm not in au :)11:57
morghanphoenixThat's a lot of crap, and a good bit of it redundant.11:57
Hobbseerlj: ahh.  i thought you were11:57
cpk2T3hWiz0rd: thats not EVERYTHING i want everything that has kde or K in its name, except maybe the language packs11:57
Hobbseecpk2: apt-get install kde, i think11:58
rljHobbsee: the reason it defaulted to that on my dapper fresh install was prolly because i am installing english en_US ubuntu but i'm swedish so have swedish kb layout and it all got a bit confused in the graphical installer11:58
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Hobbseerlj: ahhh11:58
rljHobbsee: so since en_AU is first in the list, that seems to be the locale installed11:58
Hobbseeyep11:58
rljHobbsee: (since en_SE does not exist.)11:58
Hobbseeahhh....11:58
rljHobbsee: the problem is that i want en_US even though i want my kb to be swedish11:58
cpk2apt-get install kde is already installed and i know I dont have everything kde11:59
rljHobbsee: the gui installer (and the text mode also i think) is too stupid to allow that though11:59
Hobbseethat would make sense11:59
morghanphoenix365 packages to upgrade or install in kde package, I had kde-core before and the games, edutainment and PIM packages.11:59
Hobbseerlj: file a bug on that.11:59
T3hWiz0rdcpk2: why would you want to do that though?11:59
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Hobbseeabout how it's grabbing en_AU due to there being no en_SE there.  under debian-installer11:59
rljHobbsee: i did some googling and foruming on that back when i installed11:59
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Hobbseeahh okay11:59
rljHobbsee: but yeah, should dig into it again at some point11:59
cpk2T3hWiz0rd: so I know I have it all?12:00
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yacoobon other note, anyone been trying to launch world of warcraft under ubuntu? :)12:00
ElectrolyteI had best start searching for a fix to fglrx then - bet I won't find one.12:00
cpk2i also think that for the extremely crazy there should be an apt-get install all which of course installs everything in the repos you have12:00
cpk2except conflicting apps those wont install =P12:01
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yacoobcpk2, prepare meta packages :)12:02
leafwquestion: I've been dist-upgrading since Hoary, and I see that even after removing the entire kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop (by manually listing all packages), I have tones of junk under /var/lib and /usr/lib. Is there any way to purge the system from leftovers? I would like to do a clean dist-upgrade to edgy.12:02
leafw(tones of junk literally up to 1 GB)12:02
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morghanphoenixapt's clean doesn't work?12:02
cpk2yacoob: am I the only one who thinks that meta packages like this would be cool?12:02
leafwapt-get clean only removes caches .deb files from installed packages, nothing else12:03
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MalfermitaKodoCan someone help me here? I need a program which outputs oggs and mp3s to standard input12:03
yacoobcpk2, well... could be. I find it useless :D12:03
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cpk2hehe, but cmon a meta package to install everything kde? XD12:03
morghanphoenixI get too much stuff I find useless just from the kde package.12:04
cheewieis there out any good winrar tools ?12:04
MalfermitaKodocheewie: unrar?12:04
cheewieye12:04
leafwmorghanphoenix : only way I know is to first install kubuntu-desktop and then remove all the junk.12:04
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pissed_of_pielgrcould some guru explain me why this f*cking edgy alternate install keeps hanging on 'running system log service'? Edgy f*cked up my dapper install and now I can't even make a clean install (burned 3 damn cd's and every single sucked)12:04
leafwor, install kde-base.12:04
rljTm_T: despite archive.ubuntu.com, dist-upgrade says the same12:04
morghanphoenixThat's what I'm planning to do, but there's so much of it it's kinda overwhelming.12:05
Tm_Trlj: Sure, but now try to get kubuntu-desktop manually installed?12:05
leafwmorghanphoenix : since apt-get figures out dependencies, just install kde-base and you'll have a basic KDE install, nothing else.12:05
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rljTm_T: it won't upgrade xorg for example because i have some 7.0.0 version of xutils installed but the newest in edgy is named 1:1.0.1-112:05
morghanphoenixThat's what I did last time, forgot the -base this time.12:05
cpk2morghanphoenix: well maybe if you have a space problem but for people who dont care about space (sitting on almost a tB of total space here) getting everything kde would be nice because then you dont need to worry about getting some little kde app later12:05
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rljTm_T: same output as before12:06