[12:12] <shadowhywind> blink
[12:12] <klepto> anyone notice that firefox 2.0 and mplayerplug-in don't play nice?
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> lol, I keep hitting F12 to bring up my console.
[12:13] <TheGateKeeper> cellofellow: some googling sounds like it may be in order before you make a final decision
[12:13] <klepto> yakuake is nice
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: And an nvidia chipset core 2 board - would have less potential issues than the current brand new intel chipset
[12:13] <tapas> ah, it;s console-setup now
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> Then wondering what's wrong with yakuake because it's not coming up on the windows box.
[12:14] <freechelmi> Hi all , sorry if this has been already asked
[12:14] <freechelmi> But sn't adept_updater should
[12:14] <freechelmi> telle me that there is a new realease of ubuntu
[12:14] <freechelmi> and then suggest me the upgrade
[12:14] <freechelmi> ?
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> freechelmi: try upgrading with upgrade-manager
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> !upgrade-manager
[12:15] <morghanphoenix> So is edgy compatable with all of my packages from dapper?
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> (or whatever its called)
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade-manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <BluesKaj> !cups
[12:15] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:15] <freechelmi> upgrade-manager ?
[12:15] <cellofellow> !adept_update
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept_update - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:16] <hazard2> !explode
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> doing a dist-upgrade with adept I would consider very foolish
[12:16] <freechelmi> weird that the update_manager ( gnome) , is suppose to tell to upgrade
[12:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about explode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:16] <hazard2> Darn...
[12:16] <cellofellow> what's the command for searching ubotu? he can search himself for things that include the search string.
[12:16] <freechelmi> I've done it on gnome last time , and it worked
[12:16] <cellofellow> is Hawkwind here?
[12:16] <cellofellow> he's know
[12:17] <Napa> If i want to download something .. and Ubuntu / kubuntu is not listed .. but redhat/suse/debian/mandrake/source etc are listet .. wich should I choose ?
[12:17] <freechelmi> but this time none of gnome or kde tools tell there is an upgrade
[12:17] <lupine_laptop> ubotu, search kde
[12:17] <ubotu> Found: latestkde,latest kde,code,appsy,tar,koffice,kde,burners,kde 4,apt
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> freechelmi: use the same thing (adept sucks to much to do that even remotely reliably)
[12:17] <lupine_laptop> that works
[12:17] <cellofellow> ubotu, search adept
[12:17] <freechelmi> ok I ll do it by hand then , CLI ,, thanks
[12:17] <ubotu> Found: packages,deborphan,adept,apt,adept-crash-fix,adept crash fix
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> Napa: use the debian source
[12:17] <solemnwarning> Since upgrading to 6.10 whenever I try to do anything with my wifi card I get this error:
[12:18] <solemnwarning> wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: to be expected
[12:18] <solemnwarning> It's an orinoco gold with an atheros chipset
[12:18] <solemnwarning> Why?
[12:18] <hazard2> 801 as in 801b/g/c/defg?
[12:18] <solemnwarning> Just 801
[12:18] <solemnwarning> Thats all it says
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: happens on any reasonably new wifi chipset
[12:19] <hazard2> ok\
[12:19] <solemnwarning> h3sp4wn: I've been using it for over a year...
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: i.e svn rt2xx / madwifi-ng
[12:19] <solemnwarning> Even under Debian ffs
[12:19] <cellofellow> hazard2: 801.* is ethernet, 802.11* is wireless ethernet.
[12:19] <solemnwarning> It's only broken in this version
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: Its not broken
[12:19] <solemnwarning> So why won't it connect?
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: Doesn't affect fuctionality in anyway (infact you get more)
[12:20] <hazard2> I thought there was something wrong with my logic there.
[12:20] <zmeunegru> sal
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: That is not to do with why it won't work (wifi0 is the master interface you create ath0 ath1 from that)
[12:20] <solemnwarning> Should I reboot and try with the non-broken kernel?
[12:20] <lupine_laptop> wlandev create, am I righ?
[12:21] <lupine_laptop> right*
[12:21] <solemnwarning> That error comes from ifup/down ath0
[12:21] <silvania> how can i restart OSS?
[12:21] <_andi> hi folks, does anybody now about a possibility to upgrade from breezy to efty without doing the dapper-step?
[12:21] <hazard2> does wine have opengl support?
[12:21] <xsacha> yes
[12:22] <MalfermitaKodo> Hello to everyone out there using Mi^H^H Kubuntu! Maybe here someone can help me with alsa...
[12:22] <xsacha> and direct3d support (it makes it into opengl)
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: 00-09-5B-F6-1A-A2-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 (or whatever for the hardware address is not valid)
[12:22] <solemnwarning> So why did this happen AFTER upgrading?
[12:22] <hazard2> I see....
[12:22] <lupine_laptop> _andi: nope
[12:22] <solemnwarning> It was running ok before I rebooted after the upgrade
[12:22] <hazard2> So.....now all i need is a video card that DOES openGL....
[12:23] <xsacha> hazard2: what video card?
[12:23] <lupine_laptop> it's almost guarfanteed to b0rken your system
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: that always happens with madwifi-ng (I know it works perfectly)
[12:23] <lupine_laptop> solemnwarning: dapper used madwifi; eddgy madwifi-ng
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: (but I get the same error message)
[12:23] <hazard2> presently, a Sis630.
[12:23] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone help me tame alsa so far that I can use it for live streaming?
[12:23] <xsacha> oh :(
[12:23] <solemnwarning> lupine_laptop: Erm
[12:23] <MichaelVail> anyone having problems with firefox 2.0 and mplayerplug-in?
[12:23] <_andi> nope? shit! then it has to be a fresh install :-(
[12:23] <MichaelVail> i've reinstalled and it still doesn't work
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: wlanconfig ath0 destroy
[12:24] <solemnwarning> My dapper kernel has a madwifi and madwifi-ng, this edgy one only has madwifi
[12:24] <lupine_laptop> _andi: no, just update to dapper first
[12:24] <hazard2> and beacuse this is a sony vaio (and sony does weird things), if I want a screen I'll keep using the Sis630.
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: wlanconfig create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta
[12:24] <_andi> thanks lupine
[12:24] <xsacha> eh? want a screen?
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: madwifi > 0.9 is ng
[12:25] <MalfermitaKodo> :)
[12:25] <solemnwarning> Well my edgy /lib/modules dir has no ng
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: It was renamed back to just madwifi (when it was considered stable)
[12:25] <solemnwarning> I'm gonna try the old kernel
[12:25] <hazard2> this machine has a funny video connector for the special sony display connector for its vaio-y-ness, which connects to the onboard video. While I have a PCI slot, I can't put video in it if I want to keep using this computer's only redeeming feature: a half decient screen
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: Different toolchain not recommended
[12:26] <solemnwarning> h3sp4wn: ?
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: compiled with a different libc expect random crashes
[12:26] <silvania> Has anyone got experience with using Jackd? With Wine and XMMS etc?
[12:27] <xsacha> what is this funny video connector? i bet it's not that unique :P
[12:27] <solemnwarning> I don't have a choice since the edgy kernel is broken
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: you could remove the restricted modules and build the old madwifi
[12:27] <silvania> that can help my set it up properly, since i cannot get it to work properly
[12:27] <Blacken> Why can't I use my ttys with Edgy?
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: attempt to fix it maybe
[12:27] <solemnwarning> And since when is the kernel linked to libc!?!?
[12:27] <Blacken> I get these weird-looking screens, just X bitmap barf, and my ttys don't work.
[12:27] <hazard2> it carries sound video, power, usb, PS2 keyboard and mouse to the screen.
[12:27] <hazard2> So, yes, its fairly 'special'
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: since always
[12:28] <xsacha> why's it do that? :S
[12:28] <hazard2> Its Sony.
[12:28] <lupine_laptop> the 'madwifi' in edgy appears to be madwifi-ng in reality
[12:29] <hazard2> What's this new power control features in edgy?
[12:29] <xsacha> surely there's a convertor connector or a way to use a standard connector
[12:29] <solemnwarning> h3sp4wn: The kernel IS the OS
[12:29] <xsacha> there's a convertor for just about everything
[12:29] <solemnwarning> It's not linked to anything, otherwise it wouldan't be able to boot
[12:29] <solemnwarning> And booting the old non-broken kernel worked
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> solemnwarning: It uses the libc its built with
[12:29] <hazard2> well, yea, but that would require money.
[12:30] <solemnwarning> The kernel does not use a libc.........
[12:30] <hazard2> Or effort (to figure out the wiring and build one)
[12:30] <xsacha> lol, $20 for connector or so..
[12:30] <xsacha> but new video card would be a lot
[12:30] <hazard2> neither of which is worth the $0 price tag to the machine.
[12:30] <teledyn> lupine_laptop: madwifi has been madwifi_ng for a very long time now
[12:30] <ce> does anyce@ce-laptop:~/gnugo-3.7.9$ netstat -W
[12:30] <ce> netstat: invalid option -- W
[12:30] <hazard2> No, I've got a PCI rage128, that would be infinitely better than the sis630.
[12:30] <lupine_laptop> teledyn: since eddgy, in ubuntu ;)
[12:30] <hazard2> (among other random bits I've probably forgotten about)
[12:30] <teledyn> lupine_laptop: also, i've been having it crash my systems recently and had to stop using it with my atheros card
[12:31] <ce> does anyone know why netstat dosent have --wide option?
[12:31] <teledyn> lupine_laptop: is that an alternate driver, or another card?
[12:31] <lupine_laptop> anolther carfd
[12:32] <hazard2> And even so, spending money on a pile of parts already assigned the status "spare parts" dosen't make sense no matter how you look at it.
[12:32] <teledyn> lupine_laptop: yeah i'm using my trusted old prism2 card at the moment
[12:32] <lupine_laptop> gpl'd drivers by the manufacturer, and active community development
[12:33] <teledyn> lupine_laptop: i wonder if there's a miniPCI card with that chipset
[12:33] <ryanakca> how do I uninstall KDE4?
[12:33] <xsacha> :P
[12:33] <lupine_laptop> teledyn: don't think there is :(
[12:33] <hazard2> xsacha :P @who?
[12:34] <xsacha> ryanakca: installed it just to check it out?
[12:34] <cellofellow> When will KDE4 go gold?
[12:35] <xsacha> another year or so cellofellow
[12:35] <hazard2> 'go gold'?
[12:35] <Napa> Why does not anyone know about dc++ ?
[12:35] <cellofellow> hazard2: my root partition was half full when I started, will there be enough room>
[12:35] <cellofellow> ?
[12:35] <cellofellow> hazard2: err, stable :)
[12:35] <xsacha> someone doesnt know about dc++
[12:35] <xsacha> ?
[12:35] <giorgio> hi agin :)
[12:35] <cpk2> i was under the impression kde4 would come out in december or january
[12:35] <xsacha> this year?
[12:35] <giorgio> xsacha: yes, there is a client, but i can't remember its name
[12:36] <cellofellow> xsacha: like me. I don't hava a clue what you're talking about.
[12:36] <cpk2> xsacha: yeah
[12:36] <hazard2> I have no idea cellofellow, I know I've got a 4Gig drive, meaning I'm already critical with the stuff I have....much less anything new AND the things I need to use the machine.
[12:36] <xsacha> cellofellow: maybe this time next year it'll come out
[12:36] <cellofellow> cpk2: 3.5.5 is only really new.
[12:36] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone help me with alsa?
[12:36] <ryanakca> xsacha: I installed it to test it... still not to the point of my liking... and it broke speedcrunch and hwdb-client-kde... which means that kubuntu-desktop is allso broken :)
[12:36] <hazard2> I suppse that depends on weather or not you're root partitoin total size is 6gb or 60gb.
[12:37] <kunjan> can anyone post their sources.list for edgy?
[12:37] <cpk2> i know but I still think kde4 is only several months away =P
[12:37] <xsacha> hehe well it's to be expected :P they havent done much 'putting together' yet ryanakca :P
[12:37] <cellofellow> hazard2: oh, ok. my disk is about 13GB, and I can't remember the exact size of my partitions. about 40 root 55 home 5 swap something like that.
[12:37] <xsacha> several isn't this year or early next though :P
[12:37] <ryanakca> xsacha: yeah... konsole works though! :)
[12:38] <xsacha> lol
[12:38] <cryptonic> can anyone help me out with this error im getting when trying to update ubuntu? :
[12:38] <cryptonic> E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[12:38] <cryptonic> E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/edgy-universe.list (dist parse)
[12:38] <cryptonic> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:38] <xsacha> have they changed anything graphical yet ryanakca?
[12:38] <hazard2> cellofellow: df -h uin terminal.
[12:38] <ryanakca> xsacha: nope... still standard KDE theme...
[12:38] <xsacha> :)
[12:38] <ryanakca> xsacha: and my question?
[12:38] <giorgio> xsacha: http://linuxreviews.org/software/p2p/valknut_dcgui_qt/
[12:38] <RawSewage> whats the shell command to open a Konq profile, so I can place it in AutoSTart
[12:38] <xsacha> delete everything kde 4 and install kde 3.5.5?
[12:39] <cellofellow> hazard2: 5 GB root partition.
[12:39] <ryanakca> xsacha: yes, how do you delete all kde 4?
[12:39] <xsacha> how'd you install it?
[12:39] <giorgio> xsacha: you can also take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_(file_sharing)#Linux.2FUnix
[12:39] <hazard2> it says it needs 3GB, I dunno how much overflow there'll be during install, but I'd say you're likely going to be fine.
[12:39] <chx> hi. what i should rtfm to set up beryl+kde+aiglx? I googled and searched ubuntuforums
[12:39] <giorgio> hey, is there a metapackage that installs gcc, make, autotools & such?
[12:39] <cellofellow> ryanakca: maybe just strip everything down to the shell.
[12:39] <ryanakca> xsacha: I've gone `sudo apt-get --purgre remove kde4base kde4base-dev kde4base-data
[12:40] <xsacha> giorgio: i've used DC++ a lot :)
[12:40] <ryanakca> `
[12:40] <giorgio> xsacha: yes, but there are links to linux clients there
[12:40] <hazard2> `
[12:40] <RawSewage> I want to place a  file.sh  in AutoStart so it opens my Konqueror Profile.  can someone tell me the shell commands to put in the .sh file
[12:40] <xsacha> ryanakca: purge*
[12:40] <ryanakca> s/purgre/purge
[12:40] <ryanakca> yes
[12:41] <hazard2> later all!
[12:41] <cellofellow> RawSewage: konqueror --profile profilename /foo/bar
[12:41] <xsacha> but you didnt just install kde4.. it's dependancies as well?
[12:41] <RawSewage> cellofellow, ty.  whats /foo/bar
[12:41] <xsacha> its dependancies include qt4, etc?
[12:41] <ryanakca> xsacha: I followed Riddell's page for installing it, I dunno
[12:41] <RawSewage> cellofellow, in case I want it to open to a specific folder?
[12:41] <cellofellow> RawSewage: wildcards, foo and bar are used a lot to mean just anything.
[12:42] <MalfermitaKodo> the folder, it is supposed to open, RawSewage ?
[12:42] <RawSewage> Ok, Thanks
[12:43] <giorgio> argh, what automake is recommended to install? got 4 versions here
[12:43] <franzmax> Hello.  I just upgraded to Edgy (using alternate) following instructions on kubuntu site.
[12:43] <MalfermitaKodo> Damn... no one who can help me
[12:43] <franzmax> Just discovered that Firfox was not installed!
[12:43] <Blacken> Has anyone used VMware under Edgy?
[12:43] <Blacken> franzmax: Okay, so install it.
[12:43] <ryanakca> franzmax: install it?
[12:43] <ryanakca> franzmax: sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:44] <franzmax> not possible from adept
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> I've never seen a patch harder to find for anything before in my life, and they say windows is the easy user-friendly operating system, bah!
[12:44] <cellofellow> franzmax: use aptitude or apt-get
[12:44] <franzmax> firefox is there, but clicking on request install does nothing
[12:44] <MalfermitaKodo> franzmax: commit changes?
[12:44] <ryanakca> franzmax: sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:44] <RawSewage> MalfermitaKodo, it's working
[12:44] <RawSewage> cellofellow, thanks, that worked
[12:44] <Blacken> franzmax: Use the command line, or look into synaptic if the CLI scares you. Adept is horrible.
[12:44] <MalfermitaKodo> :>
[12:44] <giorgio> mmmh, apt-get install automake installs 1.4, too old
[12:44] <kunjan> Ign http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages
[12:44] <kunjan> Errhttp://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages
[12:44] <kunjan>   404 Not Found
[12:45] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: no more win98 patches. boo-hoo (evilgrin, forces family to use linux)
[12:45] <kunjan> whts that for
[12:45] <franzmax> but worked fine for me with dapper Blacken .........
[12:45] <morghanphoenix> My girl is in school and they require windows, she intends to switch to linux when she graduates
[12:45] <franzmax> MalfermitaKodo, sorry, what you meant?
[12:45] <ryanakca> franzmax: last time I repeat: sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:45] <cellofellow> franzmax: if CLI scares you, use aptitude. it works like a gui app in konsole, mouse and everything.
[12:46] <lupine_laptop> argh, slllllllllloooooooooooowwwwwwwww laptop
[12:46] <morghanphoenix> Even the "hard" versions of linux are easier to update than this
[12:46] <franzmax> yes, sure, got it ryanakca
[12:46] <ryanakca> franzmax: if you want aptitude, sudo apt-get install aptitude
[12:46] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: what's "hard"? redhat/fedora? slack?
[12:46] <ryanakca> gentoo? *evilgrin*
[12:47] <ryanakca> morghanphoenix: what's going on?
[12:47] <ryanakca> xsacha: any idea?
[12:47] <morghanphoenix> slack, I thought it was pretty easy, just had multimedia problems so I decided to stick with debian bastards untill I could figure it out on the extra pc.
[12:47] <kunjan> can anyone send me their sources.list for edgy?
[12:47] <morghanphoenix> I was bitching about microsoft and how they hide thier updates. Trying to fix my girls winXP box.
[12:48] <chx> hi. what i should rtfm to set up beryl+kde+aiglx? I googled and searched ubuntuforums
[12:48] <ryanakca> morghanphoenix: ooooh, ouch
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> Finally found the patch, and it wasn't on the microsoft page
[12:48] <lupine_laptop> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:48] <cellofellow> chx: rtfm?
[12:48] <lupine_laptop> !beryl
[12:48] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[12:48] <ryanakca> chx: maybe ask in #ubuntu-xgl?
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> But at least my girl is happy to switch to linux once she's done with school.
[12:49] <kalahari875> Anybody having issues with Kubuntu Edgy hanging on boot?
[12:49] <chx> sorry. i did not know about #ubuntu-xgl. thanks
[12:50] <morghanphoenix> I think educational institutions should be required, by law, to support multiple platforms.
[12:50] <franzmax> ryanakca,  sudo apt-get install firefox answers that package firefox has no versions available though its named by another package.   what am I missing?
[12:50] <felixjet> !epsx
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about epsx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <kalahari875> mozilla-firefox
[12:50] <morghanphoenix> franzmax, your repos enabled?
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> I thought firefox was in main though.
[12:51] <franzmax> i think so morghanphoenix , but how can i check it?
[12:51] <cpk2> firefox is in main
[12:51] <cellofellow> morghanphoenix: all adept does when "enabling" or "disabling" repos is comment or uncomment the lines.
[12:51] <cpk2> cellofellow: your point?
[12:51] <cellofellow> um....
[12:51] <cellofellow> :-)
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> I missed that one too.
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> lol
[12:52] <cpk2> all "commenting out" "commenting in" does is enable or disable the repos =p
[12:52] <giorgio> should i enable multiverse on edgy?
[12:52] <franzmax> so, what do I do with firefox?
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> Did you upgrade to edgy?
[12:53] <franzmax> yes morghanphoenix
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> Got a new sources list yet?
[12:53] <franzmax> did it today using an "alternate" cd
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> I think that gives you a new sources list, doesn't it?
[12:54] <franzmax> so, how do I update my sources list?
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> It sounds like you're using the wrong repo
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> Check the sources in adept or edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:54] <cpk2> franzmax: make sure you changed all "dapper" to "edgy"
[12:55] <franzmax> as mentioned somewhere in ubuntu documentation i did change from dapper to edgy every line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:55] <pinghacker> I originaly installed ubuntu but use kde most. should I upgrade ubuntu ot kubuntu?
[12:55] <cpk2> pinghacker: huh?
[12:56] <kalahari875> I think you can just add the kubuntu-desktop package
[12:56] <morghanphoenix> So will upgrading break any of my packages?
[12:57] <morghanphoenix> Acidrip, AmaroK, Kaffeine, Vendetta-Online, Opera and Kontact are all I ever really use.
[12:57] <xsacha> amarok and kaffeine?
[12:58] <morghanphoenix> ???
[12:58] <xsacha> i use konsole a lot :P
[12:58] <franzmax> I checked again: It's edgy everywhere in my etc/apt/sources.list
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> morghanphoenix: not impossible that it may break X
[12:58] <franzmax> but still no firefox .......
[12:59] <pinghacker> if I had originally installed would the following work for upgrading:
[12:59] <pinghacker> Launch a console with KMenu -> System -> Konsole
[12:59] <pinghacker> In the console run: sudo apt-get update
[12:59] <pinghacker> In the console run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and follow the prompts to upgrade
[12:59] <pinghacker> In the console run: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal and follow the prompts to install
[12:59] <pinghacker> Reboot your compute
[12:59] <morghanphoenix> That's all I can think of, that's the error I got when my sources list was bad.
[12:59] <morghanphoenix> I don't have a clue if sources are right.
[12:59] <xsacha> ping, did you change all to "edgy" first?
[12:59] <xsacha> in sources.list.. all dapper to edgy?
[12:59] <morghanphoenix> he said yeah
[12:59] <troxor> franzmax: are you trying to get firefox2?
[12:59] <cpk2> franzmax: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted you have that line? (with edgy instead of dapper)
[01:00] <pinghacker> dapper
[01:00] <franzmax> going to check cpk2
[01:00] <shadowhywind> got the upgrade installed!!!!
[01:00] <xsacha> here's another line:   deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[01:00] <lupine_85> oh, is security open now ?
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> pinghacker: you have to s/dapper/edgy in sources.listr
[01:01] <xsacha> and another: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse (may as well put it on 1 line)
[01:02] <pinghacker> Yes I see that but my question is will the comands work when it was an original ubuntu (not kubuntu) install
[01:02] <xsacha> h3sp4wn: they all have different subdomains
[01:03] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[01:03] <franzmax> cpk2, I have that line, but with it. instead of us.  (italy here)
[01:03] <xsacha> i have au. security. and archive.
[01:03] <coreymon77> i noticed on the edgy wiki that you can only upgrade to it form dapper
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> xsacha: You can put it all on 1 line and it works fine
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> xsacha: Its the same pool
[01:03] <cpk2> hah it was down for a guy a while back
[01:03] <coreymon77> why cant you upgrade to the edgy final from the edgy rc?
[01:03] <cpk2> franzmax: try using france
[01:04] <|lostbyte|> Edgy has which kernel version ?
[01:04] <xsacha> Sysinfo for 'xena': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2002 MHz (4009 bogomips), , RAM: 485/497MB, 105 proc's, 1.14d up
[01:04] <franzmax> yep, will do cpk2 and will let you know
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> !upgrade
[01:04] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[01:04] <kalahari875> Can anyone suggest what I can do about getting Kubuntu Edgy to boot reliably? It hangs most of the time on boot. Looking at /var/log/messages the last thing that occurs is loading the Bluetooth modules. I think it is hanging on gconf.
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: fedora 6 uses 2.6.18 fwiw
[01:05] <xsacha> i've had 2.6.18 on my CRUX for almost 2 weeks :S
[01:05] <|lostbyte|> :-/
[01:05] <xsacha> but i guess they have to test it out and configure it for every1
[01:05] <cryptonic> any chance someone could sent me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the update feature?
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> xsacha: (I am using 19-rc3 (I messed something up when patching 2.6.18.1 into mine so just changed to .19 and fixed it)
[01:07] <bubuntu> is possible to install a package to an installed ubuntu (that can not start) from a live cd?
[01:08] <xsacha> yes bubuntu, you can't even get to a tty? :(
[01:08] <digitori> hi all
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> bubuntu: chroot (mount --bind /dev /sys and /proc)
[01:08] <franzmax> cpk2, firefox is now downloading from france....
[01:09] <bubuntu> i try to install upstart, not work
[01:09] <bubuntu> tryed
[01:09] <|lostbyte|> franjesus, you have it in your repos ?
[01:09] <cpk2> franzmax: my guess is the it servers got hit hard by edgy upgrades =P
[01:09] <giorgio> is there a metapackage that installs gcc, make, autotools & such? or should i install them one by one?
[01:09] <franzmax> that's much likely the reason cpk2
[01:10] <JosefK> heh, just installed Ubuntu/Gnome to see what it's like, and I can hardly believe I used to use this :/
[01:10] <cpk2> build-essential or build-essentials giorgio
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> giorgio: build-essential
[01:10] <giorgio> ooh tnx
[01:10] <xsacha> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; swapon /dev/hda2; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp; mount -t proc proc /mntproc; mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[01:10] <franzmax> iubuntu must be less popular in frence.... because of their mandriva i guess
[01:10] <xsacha> depending on hard drive
[01:10] <wizzymcnick> hello all
[01:11] <bubuntu> h3sp4wn , how is that?
[01:11] <giorgio> nice description: If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. Moreover this package is not required for building Debian packages.
[01:11] <xsacha> bubuntu: read what i just wrote
[01:11] <xsacha> change hard drives accordingly: )
[01:11] <morghanphoenix> Update manager works well?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> bubuntu: ^^
[01:11] <wizzymcnick> I've just upgraded to edgy, and i noticed im using a generic kernel, after doing an apt-cache search I don't see any release for K7 processors
[01:11] <wizzymcnick> do you know if there is any ?
[01:11] <digitori> can someone please tell me the absolute path to mysql...excluding the bin folder. trying a vtiger install here
[01:11] <bubuntu> i can not get to a tty
[01:11] <morghanphoenix> Do I need to wait for everything to be stopped before running the update-manager?
[01:11] <cryptonic> any chance someone could send me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the my ubuntu update feature?
[01:12] <coreymon77> so
[01:12] <xsacha> no bubuntu, you can do that on your livecd
[01:12] <JosefK> !linux-k7
[01:12] <ubotu> linux-k7: Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.15.25 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 52 kB
[01:12] <giorgio> actually it doesn't install autoconf, but fair enuff :)
[01:12] <JosefK> "obsoleted by linux-generic"
[01:12] <wizzymcnick> only .15* though
[01:12] <coreymon77> how can i check if i have upgraded sucessfuly?
[01:12] <bubuntu> ah a terminal
[01:12] <wizzymcnick> Is there a plan for .17 release?
[01:12] <bubuntu> yes
[01:12] <xsacha> bubuntu, you can run that inside your graphical livecd and you will have control of the other hard drive, like you booted from it
[01:12] <bubuntu> im in the dapper live cd
[01:13] <coreymon77> guys
[01:13] <coreymon77> how do i check?
[01:13] <cryptonic> any chance someone could send me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the my ubuntu update feature?
[01:13] <coreymon77> i ran apt-get dist-upgrade from edgy rc, how do i check if its upgraded properly?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> giorgio: automaken (is the metapackage for that)
[01:13] <xsacha> good, just run those commands i sent you, changed /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 to whatever they are for you
[01:14] <ryanakca> whats the command to create a swap file of 512mb? dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=512
[01:14] <digitori> and mysql gurus in?
[01:14] <morghanphoenix> !changelog
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> giorgio: #mysql
[01:14] <giorgio> h3sp4wn: mmmh, no such package
[01:14] <morghanphoenix> !change log
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> digitori: #mysql
[01:14] <coreymon77> whats the command to see what kubuntu version you are running
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> !info automaken edgy
[01:14] <ubotu> Package automaken does not exist in edgy
[01:14] <|lostbyte|> coreymon77, lsb_release -d
[01:14] <digitori> cheers girogio...things is im trying to find the absolute path to mysql in kubuntu
[01:15] <matirafaela> hola
[01:15] <xsacha> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt; mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp; mount -t proc proc /mntproc; mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys; chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[01:15] <cryptonic> any chance someone could send me the folders and files in the /etc/apt folder as that is whats wrong with the my ubuntu update feature? please god someone respond :)
[01:15] <coreymon77> does that command tell me if its a beta/rc/final stable?
[01:15] <giorgio> digitori: am i supposed to know that? :)
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> cryptonic: get them yourself from the apt deb
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> cryptonic: use dpkg -x
[01:15] <digitori> no dude....was only asking
[01:16] <|lostbyte|> coreymon77, i belive, never tried it on rc's..
[01:16] <giorgio> hehe np digitori, isn't that /usr/bin?
[01:16] <Stork> how do i get smp working on edgy?
[01:16] <digitori> yeah i  tried that vtiger asks me not to include that though thats why im here cant find help anywhere for this evn vtiger site but thanx
[01:17] <|lostbyte|> Stork, huh, install the smp kernel.
[01:17] <JosefK> can anyone point to an editor that handles indentation better than Kate?
[01:17] <Stork> |lostbyte|, which one? i couldn't find one in apt-get
[01:17] <JosefK> and can integrate as a kpart, hopefully
[01:18] <digitori> will try mysql chan see if i can find out...this prob may come up for others using vtiger on kubuntu brb
[01:18] <JosefK> and preferably doesn't strip blank lines from the end of files *is annoyed with kate*
[01:18] <thunderstorm> hi everybody
[01:19] <thunderstorm> i have a question - i want to do a backup from my home-directory over the network to a seperate pc, that runs under windows xp.
[01:19] <aseigo> JosefK: isn't that a configurable behaviour?
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> Stork, huh.. linux-686-smp. its better to ask someone with practical experiance.
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> digitori: some stuff /usr/share/mysql mysqlclient is in /usr/lib
[01:19] <andresmujica> anyone knows about problems with kontact and sasl-auth after 3.5.5 upgrade
[01:19] <lupine_85> linux-generic surely?
[01:19] <lupine_85> !info linux-generic
[01:19] <ubotu> Package linux-generic does not exist in any distro I know
[01:19] <lupine_85> hmm
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> !smp
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <|lostbyte|> !find smp
[01:20] <ubotu> Found: libsmpeg-dev, libsmpeg0, smproxy, alamin-smpp, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686-smp (and 15 others)
[01:20] <thunderstorm> everybody tell me about rsync
[01:20] <lupine_85> !rsync
[01:20] <ubotu> rsync: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). In component main, is standard. Version 2.6.6-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 214 kB, installed size 444 kB
[01:20] <lupine_85> :p
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> digitori: you probably need the mysql -dev packages
[01:20] <JosefK> aseigo: indentation is configurable, but the choices frankly don't work well at all.  as for stripping blank lines, I couldn't see an option for it anywhere
[01:20] <thunderstorm> yes, thats right - but is a backup to the destination system with it's ntfs-partion possible?
[01:21] <thunderstorm> because i dont know, what rsync do with owners, rigths, and so.
[01:21] <aseigo> JosefK: hm... it doesn't remove trailing lines here .... odd.
[01:22] <davidme> just one quick question... when using chrontab, is there a "remark" charactor, so lines can be REMmed instead of having to be removed?
[01:22] <lupine_85> thunderstorm: as long as the destination lets you do a remote login, yes
[01:22] <JosefK> aseigo: it could just be my bad luck, and I guess naff scripting on my behalf that I expected blank lines at the end of files
[01:22] <aseigo> JosefK: as for indentation, what was lacking for you? the options are unfortunately spread out across a couple of pages (editting and indentation) .. i've tried to talk some sense into them but to no avail
[01:22] <lupine_85> personally, I'd tar everything up beforehand though
[01:23] <JosefK> aseigo: heh, I was looking for a K&R style at least, that and the button to manually configure indentation was always disabled?
[01:23] <lupine_85> anything not supported by the filesystem (owner, group, permissions) will be lost
[01:23] <giorgio> davidme: #
[01:23] <JosefK> aseigo: automatic filetype detection and adjusting indentation to suit wouldn't hurt either
[01:23] <davidme> giorgio - thank you very much
[01:23] <davidme> good bye
[01:23] <giorgio> you're welcome
[01:23] <osh_> I just took the plunge and upgraded to edgy. Great release but some of my easyubuntu packages just went missing. I really need java, anyone know how to fix that?
[01:23] <thunderstorm> ok, that helps me - but what backup-system i can use for my systems?
[01:23] <thunderstorm> have you an idea?
[01:23] <Napa> How do I get access to save files to SDA1, SDA2 , SDA3 etc ? I am only able to save files to my linux partition
[01:23] <JosefK> osh_: you don't really need easyubuntu for it anymore - just enable multiverse, then install 'sun-java5-jre' from adept
[01:24] <osh_> JosefK: Heh, kafka-fan? Ok. Thanks for the hint. Will try that now. =)
[01:25] <JosefK> osh_: I'm utterly transparent ^^
[01:25] <thunderstorm> in other way - rsync works without errors, if i want to use it?
[01:25] <JosefK> thunderstorm: yeah, rsync's a good choice, with reverse-incremental archiving
[01:26] <JosefK> thunderstorm: I'm implementing a backup system using SSH/Rsync atm without too much trouble
[01:26] <thunderstorm> and rsync works on a ntfs-destiation?
[01:27] <JosefK> thunderstorm: you can't safely write to NTFS from linux, but you can certainly host an rsync daemon on a windows box if you want to write to NTFS
[01:27] <thunderstorm> (ok, owners and rights cannot be backup - but that is not a "big" problem)
[01:27] <purpleposeidon> Swap: 1,118,832 KB used, 4 Kb free
[01:28] <osh_> JosefK: Oddly enough I seem to have java installed. I do however get this error when trying to start java programs. "grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[01:28] <purpleposeidon> **kills kdesktop, gets 631,968 kb back
[01:28] <JosefK> osh_: that seems like an upgrade error, if you installed java from EasyUbuntu before you upgraded, it's probably obseleted
[01:29] <thunderstorm> JosefK: hm - thats an issue for me, but i dont understand, what i have to do - i only want to make a good backup from my home-dir :-)
[01:29] <JosefK> osh_: safest to remove it, then install from the multiverse archive
[01:29] <JosefK> *obsoleted
[01:29] <osh_> JosefK: Will try that too. Thanks for helping out.
[01:30] <JosefK> thunderstorm: I wound up switching all my NTFS drives to ext3, and installing http://www.fs-driver.org/ in windows (dual booting)
[01:30] <JosefK> apart from the NTFS drive windows is installed on, of course ;)
[01:31] <thunderstorm> JosefK: :-) ok, i understand - i wanne try it, thank you
[01:31] <thunderstorm> thats an solution
[01:32] <JosefK> thunderstorm: np's, good hunting :)
[01:32] <xsacha> is there a way to give your compile more priority? or to make it compile using threads?
[01:32] <thunderstorm> thank you :-)
[01:32] <giorgio> xsacha: make -j3
[01:32] <JosefK> xsacha: nice
[01:32] <xsacha> my compile is only using like 8% cpu
[01:32] <thunderstorm> bye @ all
[01:33] <xsacha> i want it to be about 100% :)
[01:33] <kalahari875> Can anyone suggest what I can do about getting Kubuntu Edgy to boot reliably? It hangs most of the time on boot. Looking at /var/log/messages the last thing that occurs is loading the Bluetooth modules. The login screen doesn't appear. Help...! :)
[01:33] <xsacha> would -j10 work?
[01:33] <JosefK> xsacha: -j (2*cpu's + 1)
[01:33] <xsacha> :(
[01:33] <digitori> giorgio.....found it.
[01:34] <JosefK> xsacha: if it isn't IO or memory limited anyway
[01:34] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  its odd that it works sometimes and not others...
[01:34] <kalahari875> I know
[01:34] <osh_> Annoyingly enough the java5-installer wants to communicate with me through "curses" interface. How do I solve that in adept?
[01:34] <kalahari875> About 1 time out of 3 it boots
[01:34] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  try running that memtest thing yet?
[01:34] <digitori> thanks for the pointer to #mysql
[01:34] <JosefK> kalahari875: do you need bluetooth? if not, can you blacklist the modules?
[01:34] <kalahari875> Memtest... for bad RAM?
[01:34] <kalahari875> Well
[01:34] <naegling23> problem, please help me, I just upgraded to edgy, I have 37 packages related to python that request updates, but give break installs
[01:34] <kalahari875> I don't think bluetooth is the problem
[01:34] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  yes - its a boot option in the grub menus..
[01:34] <kalahari875> I'll try it
[01:34] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  its proberly right BEFOR bluetooth that the problem is.
[01:35] <xsacha> i keep compiling this same thing with different options and it takes about half an hour each compile :P ill try -j3 next
[01:35] <kalahari875> Bluetooth is just the last thing that occurs before the login screen appears I think
[01:35] <Dr_willis> I dident even thinl bluetooth was installed by default
[01:35] <kalahari875> When it does appear and I enter credentials the next thing to appear in /var/log/messages are messages from gconf
[01:35] <Dr_willis> a lot of things run after you see the KDM login
[01:35] <naegling23> what do i need to do to get everything updated?
[01:36] <kalahari875> I installed sysv-rc-conf and stopped bluetooth from all runlevels thinking that might help (I don't use it)
[01:36] <kalahari875> But, the hangs continue
[01:36] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  that shows its not bluetooth then. :P
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> kalahari875: sounds like upstart problem
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> kalahari875: Try reinstalling the old init
[01:37] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  what video card ya got? it could be  a x driver issue.
[01:37] <xsacha> hmm sounds like a lot of people having problems with upgrade+upstart.. good i installed from fresh install :D
[01:37] <kalahari875> Could be
[01:37] <kalahari875> This is a fresh install
[01:37] <Dr_willis> xsacha,  me also.
[01:37] <kalahari875> Wiped Windows
[01:37] <xsacha> :S
[01:38] <Dr_willis> 'washed windows'
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> !info sysvinit edgy
[01:38] <ubotu> sysvinit: System-V-like init utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu16 (edgy), package size 106 kB, installed size 280 kB
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> kalahari875: it does still exist in edgy (so you could try it)
[01:39] <kalahari875> Would I need to do anything other than install sysvinit?
[01:39] <kalahari875> Video card is an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500DV
[01:39] <naegling23> no one else is having this python/edgy issue?
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> kalahari875: it should conflict with upstart (if it does not fix it put upstart back)
[01:41] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  check your xorg.conf and try the 'vesa' drivers..  and then try the fglrx drivers later.
[01:41] <RatKing> How can I upgrade via GUI in kubuntu?
[01:41] <RatKing> to Edgy I mean
[01:42] <naegling23> well.....ive been having problems with it all night, id say dont
[01:42] <Hawkwind> RatKing: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[01:42] <kalahari875> Dr_willis, let me see if I know how to do that.
[01:42] <Hawkwind> RatKing: That URL is the best way to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy really
[01:43] <RatKing> Have you upgraded Hawkwind? And would you recommend it?
[01:43] <kalahari875> One thing about the startup problem: I have shutdown problems too. Gets past the "Kubuntu" screen with the progress bar, changes display modes and makes the monitor click, and then repeats... indefinitely.
[01:44] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,  could boot with the 'nosplash noquiet ' options, and look at the more detailed messages
[01:45] <Hawkwind> RatKing: No and no.  Fresh installs are always recommended
[01:45] <Dr_willis> No No! 10^10 times no!
[01:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:45] <Dr_willis> lol
[01:46] <RatKing> lol. Thanks for the help guys
[01:48] <kalahari875> Dr_willis:  Am I looking for the section in xorg.conf where it has [Device]  and lists the ATI card?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Driver "ati"
[01:48] <kalahari875> Driver says 'ati'
[01:48] <Dr_willis> may be the line. :)
[01:48] <kalahari875> Yes
[01:48] <kalahari875> Change that to 'vesa'?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> try changeing it to Driver 'vesa'
[01:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:48] <Dr_willis> ya got it
[01:48] <kalahari875> k
[01:49] <kalahari875> Thanks... trying
[01:49] <osh_> This doesn't look right when trying to start java-things.
[01:49] <osh_> uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:49] <osh_> test: 159: Darwin: unexpected operator
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> RatKing: rip out everything except ubuntu-minimal (dist-upgrade then reinstall kubuntu-desktop) also works and has throughout the edgy release cycle
[01:50] <BluesKaj> There's gotta be a  way to get the printer wizard to see my network printer, but so far it doesn't work and I've tried every combo on the wizard and none work :(
[01:50] <Dr_willis> i find the gnome-cups-manager nicer in ways
[01:50] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  what kind of networked printer is it.
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: I have always just used lpd for printing
[01:51] <RatKing> I don't think I'll upgrade until I know how well it goes for other people. But should I upgrade KDE? I have 3.5.3 now
[01:51] <BluesKaj> an HP USB connected
[01:51] <BluesKaj> HP 3520 deskjet
[01:51] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  usb? you said it was networked...
[01:52] <BluesKaj> yes it's on my wifes windows pc , the netork runs thru my router
[01:52] <Dr_willis> so its a Samba/smb shared printer
[01:52] <Dr_willis> can you see the windows shares? if any.. windows firewall may be blocking stuff
[01:52] <BluesKaj> yes Dr_willis
[01:53] <Dr_willis> well ya could try 2 things..
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Install print services for unix on the windows machine
[01:53] <Dr_willis> #1 - enable the cups web interface.. and try that..
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: then just use lp
[01:53] <Dr_willis> #2 install the gnome-cups-manager and see if it works better
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: cups is horrible best to avoid if it all possible imho
[01:54] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  may know more. P my networked printer is its own little machine and ip. :)
[01:54] <Dr_willis> Ive had no problems with cups  :)
[01:54] <larson9999> i think i missed a post from someone to me earlier.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> unless you could the annoying things the ubuntu guys did to it.,
[01:54] <Dr_willis> lol
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: I seem to remember during the early days of dapper you trying to do that stuff
[01:54] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, i use a router the win FW is turned off
[01:54] <larson9999> i've never had any problems with cups.  pretty snappy here actually
[01:55] <Smeggy> anyone know how to turn the icon bouncing off when you launch something?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  i got my notes for how to reenable the cups web interface.. not sure if edgy is as brain dead. :)
[01:55] <larson9999> Dr_willis: i concurr
[01:55] <BluesKaj> well ,it's nice to know how ell cups works for you guys , but that doesn't help me
[01:55] <felipe__> Helo guy, on the kubuntu download page I only see a link to download through bittorrent the edgy dvd, where is the link to download through bittorrent de cd
[01:56] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i gave 2 options. :)
[01:56] <larson9999> smeggy yeah, it's called launch feedback in system settings -> appearance
[01:56] <Dr_willis> and h3sp4wn,  gave another..
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: If you install print services for unix (on the windows machine) - its part of windows
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Then you don't need to use cups at all
[01:56] <Smeggy> larson9999: cheers mate
[01:57] <larson9999> Smeggy: isn't that bouncy thing the most annoying feature ever?
[01:57] <larson9999> edgy seems a bit snappier.  or is it the placebo effect?
[01:57] <Smeggy> yeah its annoying
[01:57] <Smeggy> hmm where is it in system settings? i cant find it
[01:58] <BluesKaj> yeah  Dr_willis i tried the cups interface ...it failed as well
[01:58] <Combatjuan> Hello everyone.  Does anyone know how to (or if one even can) turn off the image scaling in Konqueror for big images?
[01:58] <larson9999> Smeggy: oops! it's under panel
[01:58] <RatKing> Smeggy: Panel > Launch feedback
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> on a clean install of EDGY there's a "kde-guida$" in my services (using Sysv-rc-conf to view).. is this needed? what is this?
[01:59] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, print services for unix ? where do i find that in windows?
[01:59] <Smeggy> panel...?
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: tcp/ip settings I think
[01:59] <larson9999> BluesKaj: you have to mess with the user/groups to get cups working.  easy to find via google
[01:59] <RatKing> System Settings > Panel (Under personal) > Launch feedback
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Then the windows machine act as a standard lpd server
[01:59] <Smeggy> thanks folks
[02:00] <Smeggy> *stupid
[02:00] <Smeggy> lol
[02:00] <RatKing> Lol
[02:00] <Combatjuan> How about the setting for image scaling in konqueror?
[02:00] <Combatjuan> That's always the first thing I disable in Firefox.  I can't find how to disable it in Konqueror though.  Yick.
[02:01] <Smeggy> would anyone absolutely hate me if i said I couldnt find "panel" in there?
[02:01] <BluesKaj> it's funny that i had the printer working in dapper last week and suddenly it just failed ...I had to reinstall it in windows as well and since then it's disappeared to Linux
[02:01] <Smeggy> Im running edgy, if that makes a difference
[02:01] <kalahari875> Dr_Willis, tried the vesa driver. It shows me the login screen but after entering credentials keeps returning me to the login screen. Also tried 'fglrx' as the driver (thought you said that) and X wouldn't even try to start.
[02:01] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Click on Add/Remove Windows Components, and then open Other Network File and Print Services. Select Print Services for Unix
[02:01] <RatKing> You are using System Settings and not kcontrol, yes?
[02:01] <Smeggy> RatKing: im using system settings... the thing that looks like mac osx's system prefs.. yes
[02:02] <RatKing> They changed it in edgy
[02:02] <RatKing> Open kcontrol and in the search box type "Launch feedback"
[02:02] <RatKing> That will find it
[02:02] <Smeggy> RatKing: hmm 0 hits
[02:03] <RatKing> Open the "Appearance and themes" menu
[02:03] <livingdaylight> I'm having a Steve Ballmer moment here: "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!!.."
[02:03] <RatKing> The 6th option down, should be Launch feedback
[02:03] <Smeggy> "Appearance"?
[02:03] <livingdaylight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUAr-P_39U
[02:03] <larson9999> RatKing: i'm in edgy and it's in the same place on my system
[02:04] <Smeggy> this is weird lol
[02:04] <morphish> kalahari875: when you end up back on login, check what it say in /var/log/Xorg.0.log as reason/cause of why it failed
[02:04] <RatKing> Very
[02:04] <livingdaylight> THANK YOU UBUNTU DEVELOPERS!!!
[02:04] <RatKing> I'm in dapper, I'm not sure where the stuff is in edgy
[02:04] <Smeggy> ill take a screenshot
[02:04] <xsacha> systemsettings
[02:04] <larson9999> Smeggy: system setting -> panel -> launch feedback
[02:05] <xsacha> you have to click on system settings
[02:05] <xsacha> or type it in
[02:05] <xsacha> just do: alt+space and type in syste
[02:05] <gop_> !samba
[02:05] <RatKing> larson9999: That's what I told him
[02:05] <xsacha> alt+space sys
[02:05] <Dr_willis> one of these days we need to track down a "how to use kde" web site and send people there to learn kde. :)
[02:05] <Smeggy> theres no entry for it
[02:05] <RawSewage> My computer is running nicely on Edgy
[02:06] <Dr_willis> RawSewage,  mine is also
[02:06] <roob> !repos
[02:06] <roob> what is the site with the repos...somthingmatic
[02:06] <RawSewage> Dr_willis, did you do a fresh install
[02:06] <roob> and are they for edgy also?
[02:06] <giorgio> what's this alt+space thingie?
[02:06] <RatKing> Katapult
[02:06] <larson9999> RatKing: i know :)
[02:07] <giorgio> nice one
[02:07] <giorgio> didn't know that
[02:07] <shadowhywind> what packages are the kernel sources in? *i can never remember*
[02:07] <Dr_willis> RawSewage,  of course. :)
[02:07] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: linux-source-2.6.17 (I think)
[02:07] <Smeggy> http://www.tbmn.net/snapshot2.png
[02:07] <Smeggy> that is my system settings
[02:07] <shadowhywind> hehe thanks
[02:08] <RatKing> Smeggy: Try advanced
[02:08] <RatKing> Maybe it's under there
[02:08] <gop_> !bot
[02:08] <Smeggy> that only has disk and filesystems, system services, login manager and some services stuff
[02:09] <xsacha> yeah alt+space sys is a bit faster than alt+f1 up up up enter
[02:09] <larson9999> Smeggy: you're missing 'panel' :)
[02:09] <bLaZeD> !does anyone know where a list of repos is for edgy?...or if someone running edgy can pastebin theres.....im on a fresh install and want  to install some stuff...
[02:09] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[02:09] <grindel> sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc-3.4 <-- is this differnet in edgy?? this command was referanced in a how-to disigned for Dapper
[02:09] <Smeggy> hrm
[02:09] <Smeggy> so how do I get panel lol
[02:09] <xsacha> too bad Katapult uses fake transparency
[02:09] <gop_> !samba
[02:09] <Dr_willis> hmm no bot...
[02:10] <gop_> no bot
[02:10] <gop_> :(
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Egads!
[02:10] <RatKing> Smeggy: Take a picture of your kcontrol
[02:10] <xsacha> any idea how to make katapult use true transparency?
[02:10] <larson9999> Smeggy: for me if i do 'sudo kcontrol' from the command line, it's under appearance
[02:10] <grindel> all transparency is fake
[02:10] <bLaZeD> doh!
[02:10] <Dr_willis> life is fake
[02:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:10] <xsacha> well updating transparency
[02:10] <Smeggy> but isn't running kcontrol as root changing the settings for the root user...
[02:10] <Dr_willis> too bad transparency is such a popular ugly eye candy.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:10] <grindel> what is true tanparency ??
[02:10] <RatKing> There is no root user for ubuntu
[02:11] <xsacha> it isnt ugly, much cleaner :P
[02:11] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:11] <Smeggy> hrm
[02:11] <bLaZeD> hmm
[02:11] <RatKing> You just get more control
[02:11] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:11] <Dr_willis> The bot was lagged.
[02:11] <Smeggy> ok, i ran kcontrol under sudo and theres no panel entry in any of the subtrees..
[02:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:11] <grindel> no, it's not that root dosen't exist it's been disabled
[02:11] <xsacha> grindel, you're still in a tty or something? true transparency is background mixed in.. it's not just *take a picture of background and mix in*
[02:11] <Smeggy> "launch feedback" is greyed out
[02:11] <bLaZeD> that doesnt have edgy repos
[02:11] <Dr_willis> 'direct logging in as root - is disabled' to be techinical.
[02:11] <Smeggy> and i cant click it lol
[02:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:11] <larson9999> Smeggy it's not under panel in kcontrol
[02:12] <RatKing> Smeggy: That's the one you need!
[02:12] <Smeggy> its unselectable lol
[02:12] <jarn> How do I move the clock and the system tray on the kicker?
[02:12] <jarn> Also, when I go to print in KControl, it says the CUPS server is not installed correctly.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> click on the handel and mvoe them.. or middle click i think
[02:12] <larson9999> Dr_willis: so i'm not the only one who dislikes the whole transparency thing?
[02:12] <xsacha> you can drag them or you can click the little arrow on the left hand side of it
[02:12] <Smeggy> hmm brb
[02:12] <Smeggy> going to restart kde
[02:12] <Dr_willis> jarn,  middle click and drag them wheever
[02:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:12] <RatKing> Ok
[02:13] <jarn> Dr_willis: That doesn't work.
[02:13] <Dr_willis> larson9999,  im so sick of eye candy and eye candy support questions
[02:13] <RatKing> Make sure you unlock the panel
[02:13] <Dr_willis> jarn,  it does to.. works fine for me.
[02:13] <grindel> xsacha i know what transperency is suppose to look like i just wonder what you think "true transperncy" is cause i'm betting wut ever you tihk it is your wrong
[02:13] <RatKing> By right clicking and selecting "Unlock panels"
[02:13] <xsacha> grindel: have you ever used beryl?
[02:13] <Dr_willis> well that may be just for icons. :)
[02:13] <tyl3r> I have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror
[02:13] <jarn> Dr_willis: It doesn't work for me... for me, middle-clicking switches the clock from showing my city to the date.
[02:13] <grindel> can't say that i have
[02:14] <Dr_willis> jarn,  you need to click on the little MOVE handle
[02:14] <Dr_willis> left side of the clock
[02:14] <larson9999> Dr_willis: me too.  maybe it's because when i started the games were mostly ascii art :)
[02:14] <xsacha> well you see the background is actually mixed with foreground so that it doesnt need to 'update' -- it never *takes a picture* of the underneath and then mixes that in.. it's actually a constant mix
[02:14] <jarn> Dr_willis: Umm... I don't see one. It's seamless between the clock and the system tray to the left of it.
[02:14] <RatKing> You can also just hold the left mouse button and move it
[02:14] <xsacha> constantly mixing
[02:14] <Dr_willis> larson9999,  im also getting sick of tech support being KDE/gnome 101 teaching. :)
[02:14] <RatKing> jarn: You have to unlock the panel
[02:14] <tyl3r> I have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png
[02:14] <xsacha> it has the effect of true transparency
[02:14] <jarn> RatKing: It isn't locked.
[02:15] <xsacha> unlike the KDE taskbar and Katapult
[02:15] <Dr_willis> when you mouse over the clock a 'handel' should appear
[02:15] <grindel> the background insn't drawn if there is a window over it so what are you mixing
[02:15] <Jucato> jarn: then you probably hid the handles
[02:15] <larson9999> it seems like i read somewhere that based on how you installed *buntu, different things would be installed in the 'control' menus.
[02:15] <jarn> Jucato: How do I unhide them?
[02:15] <xsacha> grindel: it is :)
[02:15] <Smeggy> it is fixed lol
[02:15] <RatKing> Lol
[02:15] <tyl3r> I have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png
[02:15] <xsacha> and it is updating
[02:15] <Smeggy> launch feedback is no longer greyed out!
[02:15] <RatKing> Good
[02:16] <RatKing> :)
[02:16] <Jucato> jarn: right-click on the panel, configure Panel, Appearance, Advanced button, Applet Handles
[02:16] <xsacha> but not with Katapult and the taskbar
[02:16] <jarn> Jucato: I officially love you. Thanks much!
[02:16] <Jucato> jarn: the default is Fade Out, which means it's hidden unless you hover over the icon/clock/system tray
[02:16] <grindel> okay if you have two windows open and you put the one with a the transperency in the forground dose it draw the other window
[02:16] <RatKing> He must have selected hide
[02:17] <Jucato> RatKing: that's what I'm thinking
[02:17] <Smeggy> Anyway to get some other window decorations without compiling them?
[02:17] <jarn> I did. I don't remember doing it, but I did.
[02:17] <RatKing> Download them?
[02:17] <xsacha> yes grindel, if i put a window on top of this konversation, it will show the chat scrolling and will look just as if that window isnt there, expect the window will appear (transparent) above it
[02:17] <Jucato> Smeggy: look for ones that have .deb downloads available?
[02:17] <Smeggy> Fair enough... yet to find any with a deb though
[02:18] <Jucato> Smeggy: there are also some (just a few) available in the repositories. very few
[02:18] <xsacha> Katapult and the taskbar do not do this though, they are using fake transparency where it only takes a snapshot of what was underneath and mixes that instead of drawing the windows underneath
[02:18] <Jucato> xsacha: to be more precise, it takes a snapshot of the wallpaper/desktop
[02:18] <grindel> well it looks like tansperency but the forground window is still opaque it dosn't matter what you do
[02:18] <jarn> Whenever I go to the printers section in kcontrol, it tells me that the cups server is not installed, but it is. What is going on? :/
[02:18] <xsacha> well it takes a snapshot of the windows there too
[02:19] <Jucato> xsacha: the taskbar doesn't, though
[02:19] <grindel> you can do some fancy trick to get the effect but as far a software is concerned all windows are
[02:19] <xsacha> yeah taskbar is just desktop
[02:19] <larson9999> transparency drives me nuts when it comes to my desktop.  i kinda like it when it comes to women's tops
[02:19] <xsacha> grindel: no, not opaque
[02:19] <grindel> yes
[02:19] <_bbeck> I just installed Edgy, and everything looked great until I logged out of KDE and back in, then all the fonts became fuzzy.  Does anyone know if this is a known issue, or how to fix it?
[02:19] <xsacha> *sigh* you're living in last millenium lol
[02:20] <grindel> sigh you don't know how things work
[02:20] <xsacha> yes i do
[02:20] <lontra> how can i make konqueror look like it does normally?  i.e. no google search box
[02:20] <RatKing> Smeggy: http://www.kde-look.org/ and go to the Window Decorations section
[02:20] <RatKing> A bunch of them are deb
[02:20] <Smeggy> excellent, ty
[02:21] <grindel> explain how you would write a tranperentcy algorythem then
[02:21] <xsacha> maybe a video will suffice for you
[02:21] <grindel> cause i think your still lost
[02:21] <grindel> vidio wouldn't do it
[02:21] <xsacha> lol
[02:21] <Smeggy> hrmm has the right click "kubuntu package menu" on .debs always been there?
[02:22] <Jucato> Smeggy: yes
[02:22] <Jucato> since Dapper (not sure with Edgy)
[02:22] <grindel> i know how it should look. but just because a thing looks transperent dosen't make it transperent
[02:23] <Jucato> pseudo-transparency vs. true transparency
[02:23] <xsacha> it is as transparent as is possible on a computer screen
[02:23] <xsacha> http://youtube.com/watch?v=egb5g0m3J2o
[02:23] <xsacha> it's true transparency
[02:23] <grindel> it's not transperent at all is what i'm trying to explain
[02:23] <lontra> !mirrors
[02:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[02:23] <lontra> is there a way to have a default lookin' konqi?
[02:24] <Jucato> lontra: Google search is missing even when you're in Web browsing profile/mode?
[02:24] <Napa> I cant unrar in kubuntu :(
[02:25] <RatKing> does anyone know what folder I install window decorations in?
[02:25] <Jucato> Napa: you need to install "unrar" from multiverse
[02:25] <Jucato> RatKing: errr anywhere?
[02:25] <tyl3r> I have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png
[02:25] <Jucato> it's going to be compiled/installed as .deb anyway
[02:25] <lontra> Jucato: i want google search to vanish...i just use gg: blah to google search
[02:25] <Jucato> lontra: disable the Google search plugin in Settigns > Configure Extensions
[02:25] <larson9999> visearch!!
[02:26] <lontra> Jucato: thanks!
[02:26] <larson9999> Smeggy: did you figure it out yet?
[02:26] <xsacha> grindel: if you're trying to tell me it's not true transparency because it's not a physical object you can see through, well done -- it is true transparency for a computer monitor though which is as good as possible, it will redraw the background
[02:26] <Napa> jucato: what is multiverse?
[02:26] <giorgio> ok people, i'm off to bed. thanks for all the help
[02:26] <Jucato> !multiverse
[02:26] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:27] <Jucato> !multiverse | Napa
[02:27] <ubotu> Napa: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:27] <RatKing> larson9999: He restarted KDE and then Launch feedback became un-grayed out
[02:27] <soulrider> hi everyone!
[02:27] <Jucato> hi soulrider
[02:27] <soulrider> i just got rid of suse and installed Edgy! :D
[02:27] <Napa> !multiverse
[02:27] <xsacha> grindel: hopefully you can see the difference between the two types of transparencies now
[02:27] <Smeggy> larson9999: the "launch feedback" in kcontrol worked after a restart
[02:27] <Jucato> Napa: I alrady gave you the link
[02:27] <Smeggy> the annoyiing bounce is gonne :D
[02:27] <Napa> thanx
[02:27] <larson9999> Smeggy: just like windows!
[02:27] <lontra> anyone have any suggestions for a nice looking icon theme? :)
[02:28] <Smeggy> haha
[02:28] <RatKing> kneu
[02:28] <Jucato> lontra: kde-look.org
[02:28] <tyl3r> I have a problem with the fonts in Konqueror it's how I see the fonts http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6176/konquerords8.png
[02:28] <Jucato> I like something called realistiK. don't know if it's still there
[02:28] <RatKing> Whoa
[02:29] <lontra> so if i removed the default konqueror profile what does that mean?
[02:29] <Jucato> tyl3r: did you check the Font settings in Konqueror already? Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Fonts ?
[02:29] <grindel> xsacha teansperency is a figment of a programmer imagination because the computer only draws what is visable. anything that your window is covering isn't drawn... now there are some neat tricks to make it seem like it's actually drawn back there. however it never really is drawn behind your window. I'm sure if you could close the window without updateing the screen you'll see nothing (which btw looks exactly like your window) because
[02:29] <grindel> everything behind a window isn't drawn the computer only draws what is visable on the screen. you application with the tranperncy thingy is actually guessing at how things would look if it weren't in the forground and drowing those things in it's own window
[02:29] <tyl3r> yeah, it's set on sans-serif, just like firefox that works properly
[02:29] <larson9999> are these problems all due to not restarting x after an upgrade?  i wonder
[02:29] <grindel> it looks transperent, it even feels transperent but in fact it is not
[02:30] <Napa> now I've installed unrar ... but it still doesnt't work
[02:30] <tyl3r> after and update I started to have that problem on konqueror
[02:30] <xsacha> it's drawing both at the same time grindel, that's the point
[02:30] <tyl3r> already checked all the fonts config in kde and konqueror
[02:30] <soulrider> !easysource
[02:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:31] <soulrider> is easyrouce updated with edgy now ?
[02:31] <soulrider> no its not
[02:31] <grindel> i only draws one update per sync pulse it cannot draw both at the same time
[02:31] <kalahari875> Dr_willis--the problem does seem to have been the video driver. I ended up installing the xorg-driver-fglrx package and replacing 'ati' with 'fglrx' and I have shutdown and restarted successfully 2x in a row now (never before had happened!)
[02:31] <kalahari875> Thanks for your help
[02:31] <RatKing> If they have gksudo for gnome, what do you use for kde?
[02:31] <orkid__> kdesu
[02:31] <Napa> just kidding .. I think i got it :D
[02:31] <RatKing> Ahh
[02:32] <RatKing> Thanks
[02:32] <xsacha> it is drawing both at the same time, using the pixels from both
[02:32] <xsacha> in one update
[02:32] <Dr_willis> kalahari875,   had similer issue with my laptop
[02:32] <grindel> err wrong again my firend. how can you put two pixles in one pixle space
[02:32] <xsacha> transparency
[02:33] <Dr_willis> this is getting way to 'zen' :)
[02:33] <xsacha> if one of them is 100% opaque then only the colour of that one will appear
[02:33] <campbch_> are there any resources available to learn how to make x applications in linux?
[02:33] <xsacha> not 'wrong again' -- i never changed what i was saying
[02:33] <larson9999> grindel: quantum pixels?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> campbch_,  oodles of sites on google. :P may want to check out tldp.org
[02:33] <pierreth> are you going to celebrate the new version of Ubuntu?
[02:33] <campbch_> alright :D i haven't turned up anything definitive yet, ill keep looking
[02:34] <Jucato> xsacha, grindel: could you please take this to #kubuntu-offtopic? we're expecting to get high traffic in here these days. thanks :)
[02:34] <Dr_willis> campbch_,  its a very huge topic.. depends on what you really want to learn
[02:34] <grindel> err that dosn't answer the question. that like answering "milk" to the question "how long dose it take to get from point a to point b if your were traveling at 6mph?"
[02:34] <grindel> okay sorry
[02:34] <grindel> i'll leave it slone
[02:34] <RatKing> Dr_willis: Did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[02:34] <grindel> alone
[02:34] <Dr_willis> RatKing,  fresh install
[02:34] <RatKing> kk
[02:34] <Jucato> grindel: nah it's ok. just in -offtopic if you guys wanna dish it out :)
[02:35] <grindel> i came here to ask a question but got sucked into a conversation avout systems operartion by a retard
[02:35] <Jucato> er... no need for name calling.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> thats in #kubuntu-namecalling
[02:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:35] <Jucato> Dr_willis: lol
[02:36] <BonBonTheJon_> Dr_willis: is that a real channel?
[02:36] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon_: of course not hehehe
[02:36] <Dr_willis> I think we need a #kubuntu-kdebasics
[02:36] <RawSewage> I think somethings wrong with KOrganizer
[02:36] <jhutchins> So how are people dealing with the lack of plf for edgy?
[02:36] <Jucato> Dr_willis is just being a <insert name calling here>
[02:36] <RawSewage> when I click the icon in the tray, it doesnt show up
[02:36] <Jucato> RawSewage: noticed that too, eh?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  i used plf yesterday for edgy. :P
[02:36] <RawSewage> Jucato, everyone knows already then?
[02:36] <Jucato> no. but I do :P
[02:37] <RawSewage> I noticed it a few days ago
[02:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: since Edgy
[02:37] <RawSewage> maybe a week ago
[02:37] <RawSewage> no
[02:37] <RawSewage> Ive been using Edgy for a long time
[02:37] <Dr_willis> he PLF Ubuntu project is shutting down, due to lack of time of its maintainers. New volonteers are welcome.
[02:37] <RawSewage> that problem only started happening about a week ago
[02:37] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Is packages.frecontrib.org the only mirror, or did you use something else?
[02:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: maybe the last update
[02:37] <RawSewage> yeah
[02:37] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  hmm.. not sure.. let me look
[02:37] <jhutchins> I looked in distrib.coffee, ubuntu is empty.
[02:37] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: thanks.
[02:37] <Dr_willis> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/plf edgy-plf free non-free
[02:37] <Jucato> RawSewage: let me check if there's a bug report for it
[02:38] <xsacha> got that guy sorted i think
[02:39] <jhutchins> Mirrors have a README that say it's shutting down.
[02:40] <xenoterracide> how do I fix  sudo: unable to lookup slave-iii via gethostbyname()
[02:41] <Jucato> RawSewage: bug reported in Launchpad (Ubuntu) and KDE. A patch has been committed to SVN in KDE. We'll probably have it soon
[02:41] <RawSewage> Jucato, ok cool
[02:42] <lontra> yay! emacs-snapshot :D
[02:42] <Napa> anyone here know about dc++ or torrent software working?
[02:42] <Jucato> ktorrent
[02:42] <Napa> ok
[02:43] <Napa> dc++ then?
[02:43] <BluesKaj> !azureus
[02:43] <Jucato> dc++?
[02:43] <soulrider> direct connect
[02:43] <Napa> direct connect
[02:43] <BluesKaj> !azureus
[02:43] <Napa> I havent found anything yet  :(
[02:43] <Jucato> ah not sure about that
[02:43] <Napa> maybe it doesnt exsist on linux
[02:43] <soulrider> it most likely does
[02:44] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[02:44] <BluesKaj> I'm running azureus as we speak
[02:44] <Napa> !dc++
[02:44] <ubotu> dc: The GNU dc arbitrary precision reverse-polish calculator. In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-19ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 56 kB, installed size 200 kB
[02:46] <Napa> !direct connect
[02:46] <twosouls82> haven't used Konvi in a while, nice redesign
[02:46] <twosouls82> :)
[02:46] <jhutchins> Is there a known problem with perl scripts in debs complaining they can't set locale?
[02:47] <twosouls82> jhutchins: that meanse the locale package needs to be installed
[02:47] <Dr_willis> thats just a warning :)
[02:47] <twosouls82> which will happen lateron
[02:47] <twosouls82> ;)
[02:47] <lontra> is ubuntu planning on using iceweasel or are they going to stick with firefox?
[02:48] <soulrider> i like Opera
[02:48] <soulrider> !iceweassel
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iceweassel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <lontra> i like konqueror
[02:48] <cellofellow> I've got a problem with permissions on a usb zip drive.
[02:48] <lontra> i only use firefox for things i can't do in konqi
[02:49] <cellofellow> soulrider: spell it right. iceweasel
[02:49] <lontra> konqueror is the whole point of kde :)
[02:49] <soulrider> !iceweasel
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iceweasel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <cellofellow> good
[02:49] <soulrider> lol
[02:49] <cellofellow> So, what do I have to do in fstab to make the files in the usb drive writable?
[02:50] <cellofellow> usb zip
[02:50] <lontra> adept is pretty slow,eh?
[02:50] <lontra> i think i'll stick with aptitude :D
[02:51] <twosouls82> what does "*** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin terminated" mean, when firefox refuses to start? :D
[02:51] <soulrider> i just use apt-get
[02:51] <twosouls82> who's being smashed by whom?
[02:51] <lontra> i guess now with apt-get autoremove there isn't too much of a point in using aptitude
[02:52] <lontra> i just like that when you run aptitude purge foo it removes all unused dependencies of foo
[02:52] <Clinton__> Katapult has bound itself to Alt-Space, and nowhere can I find how to bind it to another key.  Where is this setting?
[02:53] <Jucato> Clinton__: Alt+Space, then hit Ctrl+C to bring up a popup box
[02:53] <cellofellow> fstab settings for a vfat zip disk anybody? I can't write as user.
[02:53] <cellofellow> I can mount as use
[02:53] <cellofellow> user
[02:54] <cellofellow> Hello?
[02:54] <Jucato> !fat32
[02:54] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[02:55] <Clinton__> lontra: thx
[02:55] <yokobr> El justiciero cha cha cha
[02:55] <Jucato> ??
[02:55] <cellofellow> Jucato: all very nice to refer me to the wiki, but I'm running in the shell atm while edgy downloads.
[02:56] <Jucato> @_@
[02:56] <Jucato> sorry
[02:56] <Jucato> referring to the wiki = I don't know :(
[02:56] <cellofellow> Jucato: it's ok, I was just hoping for a straight answer.
[02:57] <lontra> anyone know why knetworkmanager fails to remember my WEP password and asks me to enter it everytime i reboot?  also this time the kde wizard ran which has never happened before
[02:57] <soulrider> im back
[02:57] <soulrider> can someone help me change my resolucion ?
[02:57] <soulrider> its stick on 1024x768
[02:58] <soulrider> i just installed my nvidia drivers too
[02:58] <lontra> soulrider: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:58] <soulrider> i already modified that nv thing
[02:58] <mnb> hi !!
[02:58] <soulrider> changed it to nvidia and restarted
[02:58] <mnb> how can i update my kubuntu for last version ?
[02:59] <cellofellow> here's my fstab line on the zip disk: /dev/sda4 /media/zip250 vfat uid=0,gid=0,noauto,rw,users 0 0
[02:59] <Jucato> !edgy | mnb
[02:59] <ubotu> mnb: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[03:00] <cellofellow> mnb: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change all dapper to edgy. sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:00] <Jucato> cellofellow: probably change the uid and gid to your uid/gid?
[03:00] <cellofellow> Jucato: want to work with other users too.
[03:00] <Jucato> ah.. hm...
[03:00] <cellofellow> brb
[03:01] <Jucato> cellofellow: the wiki says to use these options "user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000"
[03:01] <Jucato> cellofellow: to make it accessible by everyone
[03:02] <cellofellow> ok
[03:03] <cellofellow> clear the auto of course, its a removable drive afterall.
[03:03] <Jucato> :)
[03:04] <Dr_willis> auto ? Hmm.
[03:04] <Jucato> ah there's our resident expert
[03:04] <Dr_willis> that makes sence for a removeable drive dont it. :) unless of course you know it will be the same fs.
[03:05] <Dr_willis> - /dev/hda1 /media/hda1     vfat    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[03:05] <cellofellow> Automount, not autofs
[03:05] <cellofellow> it worked out
[03:05] <cellofellow> thanks Jucato
[03:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:05] <Jucato> cellofellow: heh I just got that from the wiki :)
[03:06] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: do you know how to copy and paste with screen? I ran into a copy feature by accident but don't know how to use it.
[03:06] <cellofellow> Jucato: you're the one with the working web browser.
[03:06] <Dr_willis> I always got to google a few of the screen tutorials
[03:06] <Dr_willis> screen has some of the worse docs out. :(
[03:07] <Dr_willis> every tutorial/guide covers the basics then say "theres advance features but i wont cover them'
[03:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:07] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: to bad, it's a complicated but interesting program
[03:07] <Dr_willis> Ive had issues with screen running with 'mc'
[03:07] <campbch_> ok, for some reason SKIM has decided to open multiple copies of the tray icon, only one is being used, and they reappear when killed. what is happening? i haven't changed any skim settings since install?
[03:07] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: really?
[03:07] <Dr_willis> i normally have it on my fileserver, to run rtorrent on. :)
[03:08] <Dr_willis> I sort of like "twin" but its gotten weird :)
[03:08] <Dr_willis> !info twin
[03:08] <cellofellow> I just like screen better than switching vt's
[03:08] <ubotu> twin: a Text mode WINdow environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (dapper), package size 424 kB, installed size 1452 kB
[03:08] <campbch_> incredible
[03:08] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: sounds interesting
[03:08] <campbch_> skim broke itself
[03:09] <cellofellow> what is SKIM for anyways?
[03:09] <Dr_willis> I never have figured that out cellofellow
[03:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:09] <Jucato> cellofellow: KDE front-end to SCIM
[03:09] <campbch_> ill show you in a sec
[03:10] <campbch_> it's not working at all now :o
[03:10] <Dr_willis> Hay hay.. twin works good under the condole in edgy!
[03:10] <Dr_willis> L(
[03:10] <campbch_> oh shoot.
[03:10] <cellofellow> cellofellow: what's scim though?
[03:10] <Dr_willis> twin is just an interesting tool to use.
[03:10] <campbch_> i had to redo kde, and now it's not working right :o there was something i had to change, and it was pretty deep
[03:10] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: two term windows in one console?
[03:10] <Jucato> cellofellow: I think it's for CJK input (Chinese, Japanese, Korean)
[03:10] <campbch_> it is
[03:10] <campbch_> i need it for my class
[03:10] <cellofellow> Jucato: ah, ok
[03:11] <campbch_> but it doesnt 'just work'
[03:11] <RawSewage> now let's see if k3b verify data works
[03:11] <Jucato> campbch_: better wait for seishinbyo. he's got it working I think...
[03:11] <RawSewage> nope
[03:11] <RawSewage> I filed a bug report, but no one believed me
[03:12] <cellofellow> campbch_: if you had it working, you could ask on the chinese channel. chicken-egg thing though :-(
[03:12] <RawSewage> k3b doesnt verify the DVD after a burn
[03:12] <RawSewage> Its been like that for weeks
[03:12] <Jucato> RawSewage: it verified my CD after burning
[03:12] <RawSewage> wtf
[03:12] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  nope - its like a 'desktop manager' that uses the old-ascii type gfx. you can have several terminals in windows. and resize them on the screen.
[03:12] <RawSewage> I just did a fresh install
[03:12] <Jucato> although I burned an ISO image
[03:12] <RawSewage> yes, it verifies the ISO
[03:12] <RawSewage> but it doesnt verify normal data DVDs
[03:12] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  lets you have several terminals seen at the same time on the console (works in X also)
[03:12] <Jucato> hm...
[03:12] <RawSewage> I just use diff now
[03:13] <Dr_willis> TextWindowing Envruoment
[03:13] <Jucato> RawSewage: I can't verify right now. ran out of blank CD's and CD-RW's
[03:13] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: oh, ok. I'd install it and try it out if apt-get wasn't updating atm
[03:13] <RawSewage> Jucato, I dont know about CDs, only DVDs
[03:14] <Zoohouse>  I downloaded all of edgy files via apt-get.. But now when it trys to install I get a box from xserver (Debconf on Blackbird) saying "Incorrect nice value Please enter an integer between -20 and 19." The buttons are help next and cancel. This is what came out in console: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28546/
[03:14] <Dr_willis> heh
[03:14] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  not sure how well it works over ssh. :)
[03:15] <judith_> I have the beta release of Kubuntu 6.10. Will apt-get get me the latest release?
[03:15] <Dr_willis> judith_,  yep
[03:15] <Dr_willis> thats how i did it
[03:15] <felipe_> can I upgrade to edgy from the Desktop CD? or is it only from the alternate CD ?
[03:15] <Jucato> judith_: yes. just update you'll be fine
[03:15] <Jucato> felipe_: no. only from the alternate install cd
[03:16] <Zoohouse> I upgraded to 6.10 but no when I install i get this error: (Debconf on Blackbird) saying "Incorrect nice value Please enter an integer between -20 and 19." The buttons are help next and cancel. This is what came out in console: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28546/
[03:16] <Zoohouse> What do I do?
[03:16] <rredd4> when i apt-get dist-upgrade, it says
[03:16] <rredd4> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[03:16] <rredd4> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:16] <rredd4> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used
[03:16] <rredd4> oops
[03:16] <rredd4> sorry
[03:16] <Dr_willis> rredd4,  you seem to be upto date.
[03:16] <Dr_willis> you did apt-get update first?
[03:17] <rredd4> yes
[03:17] <Zoohouse> rredd4: did you edit the source list?
[03:17] <rredd4> no
[03:17] <rredd4> i have dapper
[03:17] <Zoohouse> rredd4: you need to edit the source list. Replace dapper with edgy
[03:17] <Zoohouse> Once you do that, it will work
[03:17] <rredd4> how come no files downloaded?
[03:18] <cellofellow> rredd4: none to download cause your dapper is up to speed.
[03:18] <Zoohouse> rredd4: becuase you didn't edit the source list
[03:18] <rredd4> ok
[03:19] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: apparently screen's copy and paste is similar to vi's, but I've never figured out how vi copy's and pastes
[03:19] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  lol :P
[03:20] <campbch_> ok, now i wouldn't mind that skim isn't working, or that i have to reconfigure it, but it is not killable and has no quit command.,
[03:20] <Dr_willis> i just use gpm and the mouse
[03:20] <Zoohouse> rredd4: sudo vii /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:20] <campbch_> :o the website says nothing
[03:20] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[03:20] <Jucato> oooh vi...
[03:20] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: I don't have gpm and am downloading edgy atm :(
[03:20] <ubuntu> HEEELLP!!! sudenlly kubuntu does not runn any more... i'm running from the live cd
[03:20] <Jucato> campbch_: can't kill it from Ctrl+Esc?
[03:20] <cellofellow> ubuntu: calm down, what seems to be the problem?
[03:21] <Zoohouse> ubuntu: backup your sys with the live cd and reinstall??? :)
[03:21] <MarianoARG> hi, I'm installing edgy. At the time of choosing mount points, it complains about no / specified...but it is. Any ideas? I heard is a bug in the installer
[03:22] <ubuntu> i don't know.... the screen show all things normally, but i never get even to the start screen
[03:22] <judith_> MarianoARG: ther's no bug!
[03:22] <ubuntu> Zoohouse: that a good idea
[03:22] <campbch_> says insufficient permissions
[03:22] <judith_> just make sure you choose a root partition and swap.
[03:23] <MarianoARG> judith_: I did
[03:23] <campbch_> and now it says to make a file in autostart, which is not what i did before, and i went to make a file in vim...  then i figured i didn't know enough about it, hit q to quit, and its not quitting.
[03:23] <Zoohouse> ubuntu: yup, and this way you will get experiance with backing up a sys and all... Might be handy in someother time. Maby someone can help you get kubuntu back though
[03:23] <campbch_> now i just kill the konsole, start from scratch? bad luck
[03:24] <teledyn> that's outrageously bad advice to tell someone to reinstall their OS because of a boot issue
[03:24] <Zoohouse> teledyn: your right, it is.
[03:24] <ubuntu> mmm, my lap-top only have on cd rw case... can i back up any way??
[03:25] <Zoohouse> ubuntu: whats the problem with the sys? Can you get into console? Can you log in via console?
[03:25] <LjL> Hobbsee, do you know anything about konversation aliases that isn't in the documentation? (i.e. everything ;)
[03:25] <teledyn> ubuntu: first go into the grub menu at the start of boot and remove the words quiet splash from the end of the kernel line
[03:25] <campbch_> ok, now it says to make a file with my locale in it, how do i know what locale i am? it's some sort of code, the example says fr_FR.UTF-8
[03:26] <jhutchins> Thanks twosouls82.
[03:26] <teledyn> ubuntu: so you can see what is actually happening and where it hangs
[03:26] <twosouls82> for what?
[03:26] <Lam_> is there a way to get konqueror to have more customizable settings?  it seems rather lacking in comparison to firefox with preferences
[03:26] <twosouls82> :s
[03:26] <Jucato> Lam_: what settings are you looking for?
[03:26] <twosouls82> jhutchins: did you do some design work?
[03:26] <jhutchins> twosouls82: Answer about locale package.  Why it wasn't installed on dapper I don't know.
[03:27] <Lam_> lots of settings.  mostly random things that i set once in firefox and forget what they are
[03:27] <twosouls82> :D
[03:27] <Lam_> like cache options
[03:27] <ubuntu> out of the live cd i only can get to linux
[03:27] <twosouls82> it was jhutchins, the version conflicted though
[03:27] <twosouls82> jhutchins: same happend me here
[03:27] <twosouls82> :)
[03:27] <twosouls82> but I didn't got scared by it
[03:27] <jhutchins> Ah.
[03:27] <twosouls82> s/got/get
[03:27] <Jucato> Lam_: by cache options, you mean how much memory is used by the cache? Konqi has that
[03:27] <jhutchins> I didn't figure it would be much trouble.
[03:28] <twosouls82> :)
[03:28] <jhutchins> What are folks doing for stuff that used to be in plf?
[03:28] <lontra> do i need to restart X for konqueror to see that i can have video previewing?
[03:28] <Lam_> Jucato: yeah. i'm aware of that, but i'm looking for something more in depth, like an ability to not save the cache for certain things, like passwords and forms
[03:28] <twosouls82> jhutchins: I upgraded, have it all
[03:28] <twosouls82> so alot of dapper shite works fine, I assume
[03:28] <jhutchins> Got it before it went down, eh?
[03:28] <Jucato> Lam_: passwords and forms are handled by KWallet, if you enabled it
[03:29] <twosouls82> isit down?
[03:29] <twosouls82> over? finito?
[03:29] <lontra> why does knetworkmanager forget my WEP everytime i reboot?
[03:29] <jhutchins> Yeah.  Mirrors just have a README file, packages.freewhatsit's offline (no DNS).
[03:29] <twosouls82> :\
[03:30] <danny500> IE(1)                                                   IE(1)
[03:30] <danny500> NAME
[03:30] <danny500>         ie - Microsoft Internet Explorer
[03:30] <danny500> SYNOPSIS
[03:30] <danny500>         ie [ -acfghkp ]  [ -m alternate-passwd-file ]  [ -length of time ] 
[03:30] <Lam_> Jucato:  ok i guess i'll look more into it, but i think there was something in there that i couldn't find.  i'm on gnome right now, so i can't check
[03:31] <LjL> !paste | danny500
[03:31] <ubotu> danny500: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:31] <danny500> Oops sorry, It wasn't that big though
[03:32] <rredd4> I changed my sources.list to edgy.  then i typed aptitude dist-upgrade.  besides what installed packages it is going to install, it says that my score is -588.   accept this solution y/n?
[03:32] <LjL> danny500, well, apparently it was big enough to get you flooded out from the server, though :D
[03:32] <rredd4> actually i typed aptitude update first
[03:32] <cellofellow> rredd4: I ran into that. I used apt-get instead no problems
[03:32] <danny500> I just found something funny making fun of the Idea of Internet Explore on Linux
[03:32] <danny500> go to http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/ielinux.html
[03:32] <rredd4> cellofellow  ok, i will try
[03:32] <danny500> It's the Linu IE user guide
[03:32] <LjL> heh
[03:32] <lontra> anyone used flash 9 beta on kubuntu and had good luck?
[03:33] <rredd4> cellofellow in sudo or root?
[03:33] <Jucato> !flash 9
[03:33] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:33] <Jucato> err...
[03:33] <cellofellow> rredd4: sudo's fine
[03:33] <Jucato> !flash9
[03:33] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[03:33] <Jucato> lontra: ^^^
[03:33] <lontra> Jucato: sweet :D
[03:33] <danny500> Flashplayer 9 beta It works great
[03:33] <cellofellow> lontra: I've heard some good things about it, no complaints on here that I've seen.
[03:33] <thami_> is there opera browser for kubuntu?
[03:33] <cellofellow> !opera | thami__
[03:33] <ubotu> thami__: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[03:33] <cellofellow> !opera | thami_
[03:33] <ubotu> thami_: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[03:33] <danny500> I used to have probs with websites using fp8 but not no more
[03:34] <danny500> http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/ielinux.html
[03:34] <dom> man, my apt-get dist-upgrade to edgy didn't go so good.  kept complaining about various packages and trying to remove kubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <thami_> cheers ubotu
[03:35] <InteliWasp> thami_: try useing !botsnack
[03:35] <cellofellow> thami_: ubotu's a bot
[03:36] <InteliWasp> oh god... 10 hours to go...
[03:36] <wildchild> I need to install java on kubuntu..
[03:37] <cellofellow> InteliWasp: 4.5 hours
[03:37] <wildchild> !java
[03:37] <cellofellow> InteliWasp: for me
[03:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:37] <thami_> ok thank you 2
[03:37] <danny500> whats better? LimeWire or Ktorrent?
[03:37] <cellofellow> wildchild: don't use adept, you have to use aptitude or apt-get
[03:37] <InteliWasp> my isp hates me... they think i am a software pirate...
[03:37] <soulrider> !java
[03:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:37] <lontra> nice knotes :D
[03:37] <LjL> danny500: neither. they're just completely different, AFAIK... one is a client to the Gnutella network, the other is a BitTorrent client
[03:37] <soulrider> !opera
[03:37] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[03:38] <soulrider> !easysource
[03:38] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:38] <cellofellow> danny500: never had problems with ktorrent and never tried LimeWire.
[03:38] <danny500> Yeah but they do the same thing, download content, which one would you prefer to use?
[03:38] <LjL> danny500: about limewire, you could probably consider alternatives such whatever comes up when you type "apt-cache search gnutella", or frostwire
[03:39] <LjL> danny500, i'd prefer to use KTorrent because it's a nice integrated KDE application.
[03:39] <cellofellow> torrent is ok with me. more people more selection faster downloads.
[03:39] <thami_> !botsnack
[03:39] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:39] <danny500> !botsnack
[03:39] <cellofellow> happy bot
[03:40] <lontra> well i've been using sid for sometime and i'm quite impressed with kubuntu so far.  the only thing i wish was a nearer snapshot of emacs :D
[03:40] <cellofellow> !botsnack
[03:40] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:40] <cellofellow> fat bot
[03:40] <danny500> lol
[03:40] <danny500> !slapbot
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slapbot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <wildchild> cellofellow: sudo apt-get install java ??
[03:40] <max_> did the stable of Edgy release today?
[03:40] <danny500> tobad
[03:40] <LjL> max_: yes
[03:40] <lontra> cellofellow: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[03:41] <suddse> Put kuickshow back, guys.
[03:41] <danny500> good for InteliWasp
[03:41] <lontra> why oo.org2 and not koffice by default?
[03:41] <danny500> no one cares
[03:41] <cellofellow> lontra: huh?
[03:41] <cellofellow> wildchild: what lontra said.
[03:41] <Jucato> lontra: the greaty mysterious question of the century :P
[03:41] <lontra> cellofellow: sorry :/
[03:41] <wildchild> aha ok..
[03:42] <lontra> oo.org2 is a fat PIG
[03:42] <lontra> koffice is a slimer piglet
[03:42] <Jucato> suddse: dang you weren't around when most of the devs were around... missed your chance to ask :(
[03:42] <cellofellow> lontra: I got it to run faster when using sun java vs. gnu java
[03:42] <lontra> cellofellow: oo.org2?
[03:43] <Jucato> OO.o 2.0
[03:43] <suddse> ; (
[03:43] <jarn> Whenever I go to the printers section in kcontrol, it tells me that the cups server is not installed, but it is. What is going on? :/
[03:43] <cellofellow> lontra: yes
[03:44] <jarn> It says "Connection to the CUPS server failed."
[03:44] <jarn> So not that it's not installed, but that it couldn't connect.
[03:44] <cellofellow> jarn: either you've been bugging people for hours, or you're the second guy with that problem.
[03:44] <Jucato> 3rd guy, iirc
[03:44] <jarn> I doubt it.
[03:45] <jarn> About once an hour I say it again.
[03:45] <motorhead> hai
[03:45] <jarn> So far, you're the first person to respond.
[03:45] <cellofellow> jarn: try http://localhost:631 to see if you CAN connect
[03:45] <jarn> I think it was probably all just me.
[03:45] <max_> can anyone in here help with Wine? no one is responding in the wine channel
[03:45] <jarn> I connected.
[03:45] <jhutchins> jarn: Well, there ya go.
[03:45] <cellofellow> jarn: hmm... :/
[03:46] <Hirvinen> max_: That's a meta question. A question about asking a question, which is rather pointless.
[03:46] <jarn> So kcontrol can't, but I can.
[03:46] <Jucato> Motorhead: ah ok :)
[03:46] <max_> Hirvinen: no need to get smart, im just tying to see if anyone can help
[03:46] <Jucato> lol
[03:46] <cellofellow> jarn: mmhm. you can use that website to control CUPS, but you need to set it up first. anybody know how to set up CUPS to be web controlled?
[03:46] <Motorhead> watashi wa!
[03:47] <rredd4> domo arigato
[03:47] <jhutchins> cellofellow: I found it with google.
[03:47] <jhutchins> Need to juggle some group memeberships iirc.
[03:47] <cellofellow> jhutchins: what?
[03:48] <jarn> cellofellow: I certainly don't. :/
[03:48] <jhutchins> ubuntu locks the admin functions out.
[03:48] <ubuntu_> sorry i fell down
[03:48] <jhutchins> just google ubuntu cups admin
[03:48] <ubuntu_> my lap-top only have on cd rw case... can i back up any way??
[03:48] <cellofellow> jhutchins: tell jarn
[03:48] <jhutchins> jarn: just google ubuntu cups admin
[03:48] <Hirvinen> max_: And nobody's going to tell you that they are Wine gurus who know everything about it and you should just ask them. However, if you ask your question, someone who has had a similar problem might see it and help you or give you some directions to relevant documentation.
[03:49] <rredd4> how do i turn off the join and left messages in  konversation?
[03:49] <jarn> jhutchins: Will do.
[03:49] <cellofellow> max_: don;t look at me. I've only used google's picasa which uses it's own pre-configured wine.
[03:50] <dennister> good evening all
[03:50] <soulrider> hi
[03:50] <soulrider> !audio
[03:50] <cellofellow> rredd4: in your "identity" settings, just set them to black
[03:51] <cellofellow> blank
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <rredd4> ok
[03:51] <cellofellow> !anything
[03:51] <soulrider> my sound quality is quite crappy
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <cellofellow> stupid bot
[03:51] <soulrider> do i need to install any aditional drivers?
[03:51] <cellofellow> soulrider: also should take care of most sound cards and speakers. most...
[03:51] <cellofellow> alsa
[03:52] <jhutchins> !codecs
[03:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:52] <soulrider> well, my sounds is on board
[03:52] <soulrider> works perfectly well on windows and suse
[03:52] <cellofellow> jhutchins: whatya trying to play?
[03:52] <soulrider> but on kubuntu it sounds noisy
[03:52] <jhutchins> I'm fine.
[03:52] <dennister> is there a staffer available in tis channel now?
[03:52] <jhutchins> I'm on Mandriva.
[03:53] <cellofellow> soulrider: onboard sound cards are still sound cards.
[03:53] <Blacken> VMware player/server and Edgy--anyone tried to install it?
[03:53] <cellofellow> soulrider: usually there's no MIDI or digigtal sound
[03:53] <jhutchins> My Dapper box won't play some wma's.  On one amarok will show activity on the analyser but no sound.
[03:53] <dennister> !staffer
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staffer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <AbortD> how can i backup a cd?
[03:53] <soulrider> uhm, no sun-java -jdk in the repos? =/
[03:53] <jhutchins> Blacken: I know of people who have.
[03:53] <cellofellow> I've never gotten quicktime .mov to work
[03:54] <AbortD> in sound juicer can i just extract?
[03:54] <Blacken> jhutchins: It complains about a bad libpng.
[03:54] <Blacken> jhutchins: Google's not helping me. :/
[03:54] <cellofellow> soulrider: it's sun-java5-jdk
[03:54] <soulrider> i know
[03:54] <soulrider> but only JRE is there
[03:54] <soulrider> and i need jdk
[03:54] <cellofellow> soulrider: odd
[03:54] <soulrider> yeah
[03:55] <dennister> does anyone know who the staffers are?
[03:55] <wildchild> o_O
[03:55] <soulrider> whats a staffer? =/
[03:55] <Motorhead> whats a staffer?
[03:55] <jarn> jhutchins: Well, I added my printer. It just doesn't seem to work.
[03:55] <dennister> staffers are the users who administrate this channel...they can kick and ban ppl
[03:55] <cellofellow> dennister: like canonical employees? I don't think there are any on the IRC, it's a community support.
[03:55] <Motorhead> oh
[03:56] <soulrider> ah, an op?
[03:56] <AbortD> dennister its ops
[03:56] <soulrider> maybe the bot knows
[03:56] <soulrider> !op
[03:56] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[03:56] <AbortD> !
[03:56] <AbortD> then ops
[03:56] <AbortD> oh
[03:56] <dennister> great...thx
[03:56] <Hawkwind> soulrider:  ??
[03:56] <soulrider> err
[03:56] <gnomefreak> soulrider: ?
[03:56] <soulrider> someone needed an op
[03:56] <AbortD> dennister
[03:56] <soulrider> dennister: Hawkwind is an op
[03:56] <gnomefreak> who did?
[03:56] <AbortD> i was harassing him
[03:56] <Hawkwind> dennister: Need something ?
[03:56] <dennister> Hawkwind: can i speak to u about something private?
[03:56] <Motorhead> it shows me kick commands...
[03:56] <Hawkwind> dennister: Sure
[03:57] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ty
[03:57] <soulrider> i hope i didnt cause a mess =/
[03:57] <cellofellow> AbortD: dennester
[03:57] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No worries :)
[03:57] <cellofellow> AbortD: dennister's a she
[03:57] <dennister> abortD
[03:57] <AbortD> so?
[03:57] <dennister> AbortD
[03:57] <AbortD> why do people keep saying my name?
[03:57] <Motorhead> lol, tried to kick myself
[03:57] <cellofellow> AbortD: you said he
[03:57] <dennister> lol...
[03:57] <AbortD> oh well
[03:58] <AbortD> i'll prolly do it again too
[03:58] <shadowhywind> so i upgrade to firefox 2.0 + edge eft, now when ever i get a flash wepage it crashs
[03:58] <Motorhead> does anyone here has kubuntu on a dell d610??
[03:58] <Motorhead> have*
[03:59] <wildchild> I've installed sun-java5-jre  but still it rewuests To install additional plugins :S
[03:59] <wildchild> rewuest=request
[03:59] <cellofellow> wildchild: you also want the sun-java5-plugin package for FF.
[04:00] <cellofellow> how do I move a process from one screen (in screen) to another? (are there any CLI gurus here?)
[04:01] <soulrider> i need to install the java 5 JDK
[04:01] <soulrider> but it snot in the damn repos =/
[04:01] <cellofellow> soulrider: you sure it's jdk and not jre?
[04:01] <charwood> JDK - Java Development Kit
[04:01] <charwood> JRE - Java Runtime Environment
[04:02] <cellofellow> but it's SDK for the compilers and stuff.
[04:02] <cellofellow> !java | soulrider
[04:02] <ubotu> soulrider: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[04:02] <soulrider> yes, i need to develop, i need JDK
[04:03] <cellofellow> soulrider: no, sdk
[04:03] <cellofellow> soulrider: I have sdk installed, no problems. jdk not exist cause you want sdk
[04:03] <soulrider> still
[04:03] <soulrider> there sonly JDE in the repos
[04:03] <soulrider> JRE*
[04:03] <Motorhead> eclipse?
[04:03] <cellofellow> soulrider: really, no SDK?
[04:03] <soulrider> yeah, eclipse too :P
[04:03] <Motorhead> oh wait, i saw IDE XD
[04:03] <soulrider> really
[04:03] <Motorhead> eclipse owns
[04:04] <Motorhead> ya
[04:04] <charwood> me tries his very hardest not to start a java vs. c++ flamewar.
[04:04] <Motorhead> start with c++
[04:04] <charwood> You know what i mean.  (-8
[04:04] <Motorhead> lol
[04:04] <cellofellow> charwood: C++ is speeeeeeeeedier, as far as I know.
[04:04] <Motorhead> java is cool too
[04:04] <cellofellow> I'm doing C
[04:04] <Motorhead> c rox
[04:05] <xsacha> java sucks
[04:05] <cellofellow> doing=learning.
[04:05] <Motorhead> err
[04:05] <cellofellow> I'm still in chapter 1 of The C Programming Language
[04:05] <charwood> Say, I'm having trouble getting xserver-xgl.  All the (k)ubuntu forums I've read make it sound like it should exist in default edgy repositories, but I apt can't locate it.
[04:05] <charwood> Any hints/
[04:05] <Motorhead> btw
[04:05] <Motorhead> do you recomend me that book?
[04:05] <Motorhead> i wanna learn some raw c :)
[04:05] <cellofellow> !xserver-xgl edgy
[04:05] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB
[04:05] <cellofellow> Motorhead: I think it
[04:06] <Motorhead> how do you write in red letters? :S
[04:06] <cellofellow> Motorhead: it's ok, if you already know some programming stuff.
[04:06] <charwood> Java is great for learning OOP programming.  It's a far more pure language than C++.  It's a good thing that you're starting there cello (in my humble opinion).
[04:06] <DBO> Motorhead, he said your name
[04:06] <wildchild> is there any server experts..
[04:06] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: whats your question
[04:06] <wildchild> 2.6.9-10.cc (what kind of linux is this)
[04:07] <wildchild> my server :P
[04:07] <Blacken> OOP is not a good place to start. Structured first, then OOP.
[04:07] <hazard2> Motorhead....that's an awsome name.
[04:07] <Motorhead> indeed
[04:07] <wildchild> didn't install it
[04:07] <charwood> cellofellow: What exactly does it mean that it is 'optional' in the component universe?  That a repository can be 'official' and not have it?
[04:07] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: where are you getting that from
[04:07] <hazard2> I have a computer called wirehead, its all full of wires (and 14 harddrives)
[04:07] <wildchild> uname -r
[04:07] <xsacha> ouch, that's old wildchild :P
[04:07] <wildchild> BonBonTheJon_ that's my router/server
[04:07] <xsacha> oh
[04:07] <charwood> Blacken; Agreed.  I assumed that he could do BASIC or perl or something like that.
[04:07] <cellofellow> charwood: optional means not on the CD, universe is the universe repo which isn't enabled by default
[04:08] <xsacha> thought that was old for kubuntu :P
[04:08] <wildchild> I know it's old; but its' damn stable :S
[04:08] <cellofellow> !universe
[04:08] <wildchild> :D*
[04:08] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:08] <charwood> Ah, so I should add universe to my sources.
[04:08] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: that is just the kernel number, do you mean which distro?
[04:08] <wildchild> BonBonTheJon_: yes
[04:08] <cellofellow> charwood: it's there, but commented
[04:08] <charwood> cellofellow: Sure enough.  Thanks.
[04:09] <Motorhead> cya all soon
[04:09] <cellofellow> charwood: before you can download, make sure to apt-get update
[04:09] <xsacha> wildchild: uname -a ? :)
[04:09] <charwood> cellofellow: Roger that.
[04:09] <wildchild> Linux router.router.lan 2.6.9-10.cc #1 Sun Mar 6 11:02:57 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linu
[04:09] <wildchild> ;)
[04:09] <xsacha> ClarkConnect wildchild?
[04:09] <wildchild> yes
[04:09] <wildchild> carkconnect..
[04:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: no, but #konversation tends to
[04:10] <wildchild> I wanna to install that kind of server on another machine..
[04:10] <wildchild> I need to know where can i pick up some notes, tutorials etc.
[04:10] <xsacha> http://www.clarkconnect.com/
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: you can install ubuntu on a server
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: thats what I do
[04:10] <LjL> Hobbsee: oki. do they bite? :)
[04:10] <wildchild> like ubuntu server?
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: yup
[04:10] <wildchild> how about protection?
[04:11] <hazard2> I prefer bare debian for serverage.
[04:11] <hazard2> (then again, my servers are worefully underpowered, and non-critical)
[04:11] <BonBonTheJon_> hazard2: how underpowered, my home server is 500MHz
[04:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: only sometimes
[04:12] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:12] <hazard2> my primary webserver is a 166mhz P1
[04:12] <wildchild> how do I chec uptime on my server beside clarkconnect
[04:12] <LjL> well then i'll be bitten tomorrow, bed time for now
[04:12] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: uptime
[04:12] <wildchild>  04:12:35 up 49 days,  6:19,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.07
[04:12] <wildchild> and this is even bad..
[04:13] <wildchild> I wanna know what debian is this..
[04:13] <intelikey> anyone know howto get twmrc to load an external menufile ?
[04:13] <hazard2> BonBonTheJon_ my primary fileserver is slightly faster, being weighed in at 300mhz....P2...(with its 14 harddrives)
[04:13] <BonBonTheJon_> hazard2: how much space is that
[04:14] <BonBonTheJon_> wildchild: what do you mean
[04:14] <intelikey> from looking in /etc/X11/twm/  i'm sure it can be done but i've failed as of yet to figure out how.   anyone ?
[04:14] <hazard2> Umm...since they're all junk drives, its about 400Gb...
[04:14] <wildchild> I can only get version if I type uname -a
[04:14] <obf213> how do i get computer to play out of usb speakers
[04:14] <hazard2> (380something unformatted I think, as of the last total I can remember anyway)
[04:14] <intelikey> !sound | obf213
[04:14] <ubotu> obf213: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:15] <BonBonTheJon_> hazard2: I have mine in a RAID, so I only have 150GB
[04:15] <intelikey> maybe that will help ya....
[04:15] <wildchild> I have only 7gb on my PIII server :P
[04:15] <lontra> so i just rebooted and my emacs fonts got all screwed up for no reason
[04:15] <wildchild> but 265sdr ram ;)
[04:15] <hazard2> My G4 tower on the other hand presently has 400GB internally, and an external 250Gig drive.
[04:15] <wildchild> it's fast for the router ;))
[04:15] <obf213> no that doesnt help,
[04:16] <hazard2> (which makes it more servery than my fileserver, but still the fileserver was free, 380GB of space for free isn't a bad deal)
[04:16] <obf213> ive done it before i think, i need the adress of the usb speakr mahybe it was something like hw 1,0
[04:16] <intelikey> wildchild i have a p1 with ubuntu on it that only has 610m
[04:16] <obf213> i cant remember
[04:16] <wildchild> intelikey: I know; it's more than I need..
[04:16] <hazard2> I should also mention that my 166mhz webserver only has 96mb ram, (old EDO modules).
[04:17] <wildchild> intelikey: I am gonna to install something on p1 I just don't know what
[04:17] <wildchild> yet
[04:17] <lontra> any ideas what could have happened?  i can't even read my fonts now
[04:17] <chopin> does compiz install oob?
[04:17] <intelikey> hazard2 my p1 has 64m ram
[04:17] <wildchild> !ubuntuserver
[04:17] <AbortD> n/j #themanaworld
[04:17] <hazard2> The biggest reason I don't find a better machine, is because a better machine would need a working CPU fan (which ALWAYS burn out on me, P1s really don't)
[04:17] <AbortD> er
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <wildchild> !ubuntu server
[04:17] <chopin> !compiz
[04:17] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:17] <wildchild> intelikey what debian do u use?
[04:18] <wildchild> intelikey on the serv
[04:18] <Furesho> okay. i'm playin with a hello world program in gcc (version 3.3). so, i type: gcc-3.3 -o test test.cpp  ... and as a result i get this message: cannot exec 'cc1plus': No such file or directory  ... anybody got any clues what's wrong here?
[04:18] <intelikey> ubuntu
[04:18] <intelikey> ubuntu-server
[04:18] <hazard2> you should only need 'gcc test.cpp -o test && ./test'
[04:18] <hazard2> if that dosen't work, somethings wrong with your compiler configuration
[04:18] <hazard2> (one of the compiler related packages is missing or not installed)
[04:18] <charwood> Furesho: Sounds like the command 'gcc-3.3' is linked to a nonexistant command.  Try using g++ or gcc
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> Furesho: sounds like you're missing g++, for compiling c++ programs.
[04:19] <intelikey> !b-e
[04:19] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:19] <hazard2> (specifically the one that installs the link from your gcc version to the 'gcc' command
[04:19] <TehUni> i'm trying to install kubuntu on my laptop, but it stops before i get to the desktop and boots me to a terminal, complaining about my video. Running startx complains about my resolution. I'm using intel built-in graphics on an inspiron 640m with the truelife (high-res) screen. i've tried safe graphics mode, and i've tried manually setting xorg.conf to 800x600 then restarting, but no luck with whatever i try. any ideas?
[04:19] <Furesho> g++ huh? lemme check that out.
[04:20] <intelikey> !gcc-g++
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gcc-g++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> TehUni: try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it should ask you questions to basically manually set up your X for your hardware.
[04:20] <hazard2> Furesho: unless your hellow world program is REALLY complicated, you shouldn't need to have it be .cpp
[04:20] <hazard2> just .c will work fine
[04:21] <TehUni> LeeJunFan: i've tried that, but it says no such package.
[04:21] <Furesho> since i have gcc-3.3, does it really matter what version of g++ i get? it seems that adept has like 4 or 5 different versions of it
[04:21] <TehUni> i think it boots me out before it gets to it.
[04:21] <intelikey> TehUni add -plow  if it doesn't ask enough Q's
[04:21] <hazard2> (I've had .cpp on files that didn't need it before and gcc gets confused.
[04:21] <TehUni> i've also tried to apt-get xserver-xorg, but no dice.
[04:21] <Furesho> oh.
[04:21] <Furesho> lemme try that first then....
[04:21] <dennister> wildchild: inteliikey: u had some questions about ubuntu-server? i'm a bit slow
[04:21] <hazard2> Furesho: remember to try just using 'gcc' though
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> TehUni: what happens when you try to install xserver-xorg?
[04:22] <intelikey> dennister afik just comparing notes
[04:22] <TehUni> LeeJunFan: sec, i'm booting again
[04:22] <Furesho> that gives like an unknown command or somethin like that. that was the first thing i tried
[04:22] <dennister> i have it installed here, so I might be able to help...not sure...ok
[04:22] <hazard2> how'd you install gcc?
[04:23] <Furesho> adept
[04:23] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:23] <hazard2> Yea, did you dot hat or pick specific gcc related packages?
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> !build
[04:23] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:24] <dennister> hi LeeJunFan
[04:24] <Furesho> "dot hat"? not sure what that means, but when i installed gcc-3.3, i think it also downloaded & installed like two other things. can't remember what they were tho cuz i did the install like a week ago. :\
[04:25] <hazard2> Furesho
[04:25] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  rm -fr /usr/share/themes /usr/share/doc*
[04:25] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~] 
[04:25] <intelikey> do you think that will hurt anything?
[04:25] <hazard2> open a terminal and do sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:26] <Furesho> okay.
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> dennister: going to be a busy next few days I suppose :)
[04:26] <dennister> i still have this problem with apache2 not being able to bind to port 443 (OpenSSH server)...and thus can't start up at boot or with any other method...can anyone help me with this?
[04:26] <Furesho> just so i know, what is that gonna do?
[04:26] <dennister> LeeJunFan: oh yes? why?
[04:26] <lontra> i am running a dell inspiron 1100 laptop...when i close my lid the screeen doesn't lock but i told it to, any ideas why?
[04:26] <hazard2> it *should* install and configure ALL the packages you'll need to get gcc working correctly
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> dennister: new releases bring more people
[04:27] <Furesho> ahhh. okay.
[04:27] <hazard2> (rather than just for example 'gcc-3.3' without configuring it or any of its support stuff
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> dennister: your system got hacked.
[04:27] <hazard2> )
[04:27] <szyszeja> hi
[04:27] <dennister> ahhh yes...logical...i heard about mozilla changing its naming rules, too
[04:27] <dennister> LeeJunFan: really? i don't think so...i think it was something i did
[04:27] <TehUni> sweet!
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> dennister: I had that exact thing happen to me the other day, a brute force attack by ftp, uploaded a php script to the public_html dir which when ran created an sshd server in /tmp
[04:27] <szyszeja> how can i fix this :::::::::::::::::::::::>  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:27] <TehUni> LeeJunFan: thanks alot, it's working now
[04:27] <szyszeja>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed
[04:28] <TehUni> must've made a typo last time somehow
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> TehUni: cool.
[04:28] <TehUni> LeeJunFan: will just running startx allow me to continue the installation?
[04:28] <intelikey> !repos > szyszeja
[04:28] <dennister> LeeJunFan: why anyone would want to hack me i don't know...but what do i do now?
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> TehUni: unfortunately I don't know. I've not done much with the desktop version of the installer, I always use the alternate.
[04:29] <TehUni> welp, i've got the install icon so i guess i'm good
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> dennister: check your /tmp dir for anything suspicious like sshd first (if it's the same one).
[04:29] <hazard2> Furesho any luck?
[04:29] <TehUni> i told xserver to use 800x600 so i'll have to figure out after it's installed how to get hi-res
[04:29] <TehUni> other than that, i guess i'm set
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> dennister: netstat -pantl | grep :443 will show you the pid and proc name of what's bound to 443.
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> dennister: then ps xauw | grep [that pid]  should show you the path and other info of where that program was started from.
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> dennister: if sshd is bound to that port, and it's started from anywhere other than /usr/sbin/sshd then it's suspicious.
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> dennister: do you run an ftp server on that system?
[04:32] <Furesho> seems that did the trick. thanks hazard
[04:33] <dennister> no, i don't run an ftp server
[04:33] <hazard2> no problem
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> dennister: well, that doesn't rule it out. Mostly just curious.
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> dennister: what do you find after running the netstat and ps from above?
[04:34] <dennister> ok...there's a locked folder in my /tmp...
[04:34] <nick01> why does kubuntu need 256 mb of ram for ? (not that I don't have it) it needs it only for the installer or for KDE too ? if its for KDE what the heck was used to fatten it ? :P
[04:35] <hazard2> all the pretty stuff?
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> nick01: It is unusable with 256mb even
[04:35] <hazard2> Though I've got 512 and it still takes forever to load things most of the time (given my harddrive sucks)
[04:35] <dennister> it's called file:///tmp/2031557029...and even as root i can't get in
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> nick01: I run xgl and beryl with less ram than that AND I have apache, vsfptd, sshd, mysql and other turds running, and I still don't boot up to 256M used.
[04:35] <nick01> that's unbeliveble- the lead dev of arklinux told me ark works even on 64 mb ram
[04:36] <nick01> LeeJunFan: with KDE ?
[04:36] <hazard2> KDE is memory happy?
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> dennister: crap, sounds possible yours is even worse. Maybe a rootkit or just a tricky dir name.
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> nick01: yeah.
[04:36] <dennister> there's also something else in /tmp...a directory called ssh-RHwvbI5077, with an agent.5077 file in it
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> I think I use about 230 with all that stuff running.
[04:36] <hazard2> if they're in /tmp, restart and see if they go away...
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> dennister: that might be legit. ssh does create files in /tmp
[04:37] <dennister> ok...but that numbered directory i can't get into...even as root...that's very suspicious
[04:37] <intelikey> is it a dir or a socket ?
[04:37] <intelikey> ls -l
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> dennister: if you do the netstat and ps it should tell you exactly where the ssh that's taking port 443 is located at.
[04:38] <nick01> I still have to decide what to put on my ibook g3 300- last time I tried KDE on it konqueror started very slowly unlike nautilus
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> dennister: yeah, check what intellikey said too, what are the perms of that dir you can't get into? ls -l
[04:38] <dennister> i did the netstat and got:tcp6       0      0 :::443                  :::*                    LISTEN     5                 069/apache2
[04:38] <h3sp4wn> nick01: the kde in debian has alot less of the slow down related things in it
[04:39] <dennister> but it's certainly not MY apache, which can't start or bind to 443
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> dennister: then try ps xauw | grep 5069
[04:39] <nick01> ok I downloaded ubuntu 6.10 already I'll get kubuntu live cd too and compare
[04:39] <dennister> the ps xauw | grep got me 3 lines
[04:40] <bLaZeD> anyone have a clue what this is about? http://pastebin.ulteo.us/185
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> dennister: just the one with the exact pid.
[04:40] <dennister> all aparently started by root
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> dennister: second column
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> dennister: what path to apache does the last column have listed?
[04:41] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: apt-cache search mplayer
[04:41] <dennister> number is 6070
[04:41] <dennister> for the line that ends with grep 069 in last column
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> dennister: we just care about the one that = 5069 in the second column.
[04:41] <nick01> why couldn;'t they put some icons on the desktop ? :|
[04:41] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, mplayer is listed there
[04:42] <nick01> hi Hawkwind :)
[04:42] <dennister> ok, the path is /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL...that's the 5069 pid
[04:42] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Maybe you don't have all the right sources setup then
[04:42] <intelikey> bLaZeD looks kinda like a repos issue
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> dennister: sounds legit then, perhaps for some reason your apache just didn't kill itself right when you stopped it? reloaded it.
[04:42] <intelikey> !repos > bLaZeD
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> dennister: you did /etc/init.d/apache2 stop?
[04:43] <bLaZeD> intelikey, theres nothing on there about edgy
[04:43] <dennister> k...i stopped it...it said ok
[04:43] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Maybe you should pastebin your sources.list
[04:44] <intelikey> bLaZeD so replace word dapper with word edgy and go bLaZeD
[04:44] <bLaZeD> here is my sources.list http://pastebin.ulteo.us/186
[04:44] <Hawkwind> intelikey: He's already using Edgy
[04:44] <intelikey> yes
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> dennister: now try the same line only instead of stop use start
[04:44] <intelikey> and ?
[04:44] <jerp> I'm a major newb to linux and need help to log onto my isp (Comcast)
[04:44] <Jucato> hi intelikey
[04:44] <dennister> since it did stop ok, i tried to start it again, but got the same old error: can't bind to address [::] 443...fail
[04:44] <nick01> I don't suppose kubuntu acuired a module of some sort to configure tv tuners ?
[04:44] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Get rid of the us.  on every line you see
[04:44] <intelikey> say Jucato
[04:45] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Use just archive.ubuntu.com or something like se.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:45] <Napa> where can I make the ROOT user? :p
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> dennister: okay, stop it again, then do killall -9 apache2
[04:45] <bLaZeD> is it .com or org
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> dennister: then start it again.
[04:45] <dennister> it continues to say, "no listening ports available"...k will do
[04:45] <bLaZeD> nm
[04:45] <bLaZeD> i see now
[04:45] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Remove just the us.
[04:45] <Napa> I need to be root to install my printer
[04:45] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[04:46] <intelikey> !sudo > Napa
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> Napa: why? you shouldnt need root to install printers.
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> Napa: you just need your current user to be in lpadmin group.
[04:47] <dennister> success! it asked for my passphrase and then said OK :)
[04:47] <intelikey> also of not there is already a "root" on ever linux system
[04:47] <dennister> LeeJunFan: TY! ty! ty!
[04:47] <intelikey> s/not/note/
[04:47] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: Also take note you do not have multiverse setup for your sources. Only for backports it appears
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> dennister: yer welcome.
[04:47] <dennister> now i think i should reboot to see if it will load properly at boot
[04:47] <bLaZeD> huh
[04:47] <bLaZeD> k
[04:48] <Napa> LeeJunFan: how do I change my user then?
[04:48] <Hawkwind> Napa: Just use sudo before your command
[04:48] <dennister> be back soon folks
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> Napa: you can just use sudo [command] , or sudo -i to become root.
[04:49] <jerp> does anyone have a site to help me get my computer to see the cable modem that's connected via USB?
[04:49] <intelikey> napa could also read the page ubotu mentioned in PM
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> Napa: however you have to be logged in as the first user you created during startup to have access to root via sudo.
[04:49] <Napa> LeeJunFan:  yes .. I guess I have onlye created one user
[04:50] <mr_daemon> Hello
[04:50] <Napa> root@thomas-desktop:~#
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> Napa: normally (as long as you are logged in as the first created user) you can do all your printer admin thru the kcontrol panel or system settings.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> Napa: it will prompt you for a password when it needs it.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> Napa: to become root.
[04:50] <mr_daemon> I'm having problems booting the new edgy eft livecd... somehow it doesn't seem to detect my Cinema Display properly, unlike Dapper...
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> Napa: at which point you enter the passwd of your current user.
[04:50] <Napa> LeeJunFan: I donloaded drivers from samsung.com .... followed the instructions .. but it told me I had to be logged in as root
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> Napa: no, you dont.
[04:51] <mr_daemon> There's that, plus there's the fact that it's absurdly slow... I have no clue why
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> Napa: is it just a .ppd file?
[04:51] <Napa> hmm .. hold on one sec
[04:52] <dennister> report: apache still didn't load properly at boot..I didn't get asked for my passphrase
[04:52] <intelikey> mr_daemon heh
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> dennister: you'd be better off generating a key that doesn't require one, it's a pain in the !@#@!
[04:53] <intelikey> kids  !@#@! == foot  .
[04:53] <intelikey> :)
[04:53] <dennister> but i have no problem remembering the passphrase
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: right, that's it.
[04:54] <dennister> and something is still preventing apache & ssh to load properly at boot
[04:54] <Jucato> anyone knows if irssi can do beeps?
[04:55] <intelikey> Jucato yes on channel and/or pm iirc
[04:55] <Jucato> intelikey: err how do I set it up? (I'm on irssi right now)
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> dennister: but it screws up automatic startup. It won't stop boot to ask you a passphrase because it's going to start many things at that S level at the same time, and it probably just goes by before you see it. And/or you have to remove quiet and splash bootparams from grubs menu.lst if you want to see it anyway.
[04:56] <intelikey> Jucato but it's through the pc speaker i think  you may not want it.       if i recall you do a  /set beep'something' on       /set should list it.
[04:56] <Jucato> intelikey: ah ok. anything as long as it's a beep :P
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> dennister: it's probably actually still waiting for a passphrase, but the opportunity for you to enter it is past.
[04:56] <Napa> I get a messagebox when I run #./cdroot/autorun    saying "you're not autorized to install the driver package only user with root privilegies is allowed to do this - installation cannot be copleted now."
[04:56] <m_> Can someone help me upgrade to edgy? I tried adding the cdrom repository to my sources.list file but it's still downloading the updates from the web
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> dennister: best bet is to either do away with the passphrase or don't have apache load on startup, just start it manually after boot.
[04:57] <Napa> So I guess I need to give my user root privilegies
[04:57] <dennister> i'm not sure that i understand...b4 last night it did stop the booting to ask for passphrase, and then continued...now it doesn't, and i'll have to do the killall command every time i boot
[04:57] <intelikey> Jucato there are others that just love irssi  they should be able to tell you  prezactly what to look for.     i use bx.
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> Napa: that autorun probably isn't for linux.
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> Napa: what model printer do you have?
[04:58] <Jucato> intelikey: hehe.. I'm waiting for those "others"
[04:58] <Napa> LeeJunFan:  yes it is
[04:58] <Ash-Fox> Shame java webstart is still foobared in this new version.
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> Napa: there's no need to run a script to add a printer, and personally I wouldn't trust it to not mess up my cups config.
[04:59] <Jucato> heheh
[04:59] <Napa> LeeJunFan: Ok .. is it possible to get my laserprinter to work any other ways?
[04:59] <jamie> has anyone gotten evdo working under kubuntu?
[04:59] <Jucato> intelikey: no takers :)
[04:59] <Jucato> it's ok :P
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> Napa: what's the make/model
[05:00] <Napa> Samsung ML-2571N
[05:00] <jamie> i actually get a connection (seems to work great) with a remote ip, local ip, and remote dns servers, but can't ping the remote ip or anything beyond it..
[05:00] <intelikey> hmmmm well  if dr_willis was around he could answer ya Jucato
[05:00] <Napa> with network
[05:00] <daveyj> i accidentally broke my X i think
[05:00] <jamie> probably just a pppd problem...
[05:00] <daveyj> something changed since my last reboot apparently because it was working fine last time
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> jamie: run 'ip route' and see if you have a default line
[05:00] <daveyj> wont load glx
[05:01] <morghanphoenix> Is there a way to update KDE with apt and not do the full edgy thing?
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> Napa: ugh, linuxprinting.org printer listing page doesn't load with konqueror or firefox, seems broken. Are you sure your printer isn't listed when you go into system settings/printers and add a printer?
[05:02] <jamie> nope..
[05:03] <yonkeltron> if i have an AMD64 turion, do i really need the 64bit kubuntu install cd?
[05:03] <jamie> LeeJunFan: nope, don't.. (i mean, it's through my eth1, not ppp0)
[05:03] <felixjet> how can i extract a CD from unit button instead of umount it first from linux?
[05:03] <morghanphoenix> the regular version works on 64s, or so I've heard, have an athlon myself.
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> jamie: either way - you need a default gw to get past your next hop.
[05:04] <jamie> LeeJunFan: should it point at my local ip or the remote?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> jamie: remote.
[05:04] <Napa> I'll retry
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> jamie: sudo ip route add default via [ip of your router or next hop] 
[05:04] <daveyj> :(
[05:05] <jamie> LeeJunFan: have to disconnect to try it, brb ;-)
[05:05] <Napa> it found 2570 .... I guess that will work
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> Napa: yeah, I was going to suggest that too, it probably will.
[05:05] <intelikey> yonkeltron you can use the 32 bit if you like
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> Napa: if linuxprinting.org was working that'd likely have our answer.
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> Napa: if that doesn't work perhaps there's a .ppd file somewhere on that CD, that's really all you need. If you had the .ppd file when kde asks you for a driver you just hit the button for the driver, and point to that ppd file.
[05:08] <lontra> !mirrors
[05:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[05:08] <felixjet> how can i extract a CD from unit button instead of umount it first from linux?
[05:09] <intelikey> felixjet syntax error in question.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: use a paper clip.
[05:10] <felixjet> intelikey: yea sorry english is not my main language
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: you can't just pop open the CD tray, you have to unmount first.
[05:10] <felixjet> i mean, when i click on the phisical button of the CD to eject it
[05:10] <intelikey> felixjet use the "eject" command
[05:10] <felixjet> it dont works
[05:10] <moffa> "eject cdrom"
[05:10] <felixjet> i must use eject comman from linux
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: something is probably still using it.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: but that works? from command line?
[05:11] <intelikey> eject
[05:11] <intelikey> eject -t
[05:11] <felixjet> yea
[05:11] <intelikey> eject
[05:11] <intelikey> eject -t
[05:11] <intelikey> :)
[05:11] <felixjet> from right click on the cdrom on deskton
[05:11] <felixjet> desktop*
[05:11] <felixjet> and then eject
[05:11] <felixjet> but i want to eject it just by pressing the unit button!
[05:11] <felixjet> it is possible'
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: did you create the user who has mounted the cdrom after or during install?
[05:11] <intelikey> no
[05:12] <felixjet> :(
[05:12] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: ok, it looks like this: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP (i have defaultroute and replacedefaultroute set up)
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: id [username]  and see if cdrom is a listed group.
[05:12] <lontra_> what's seveas-repository?
[05:13] <felixjet> yep LeeJunFan
[05:13] <Ash-Fox> !ipv6
[05:13] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: I dunno why it would be not ejecting from kde then.
[05:13] <felixjet> yea! it eject from KDE
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: set up in where?
[05:14] <felixjet> i was talking about it doesnt eject by pressing the cdrom eject button
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: oh, I thought it ejected only from command line.
[05:14] <felixjet> the one on pc
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> felixjet: oh, that's normal.
[05:14] <felixjet> thats shi... :( xD
[05:14] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: in /etc/ppp/peers/sprint
[05:14] <felixjet> i always click and wait for the cd
[05:14] <felixjet> haha
[05:15] <dennister> !OpenSSH
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about OpenSSH - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <dennister> !SSH
[05:15] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:15] <jamie_> but i can't even ping that remote ip (maybe it's dropping icmp?)
[05:15] <intelikey> !info openssh-server
[05:15] <ubotu> openssh-server: Secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 200 kB, installed size 540 kB
[05:15] <intelikey> !info openssh-client
[05:15] <ubotu> openssh-client: Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement. In component main, is standard. Version 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 524 kB, installed size 1272 kB
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: could be. you are booting back/forth between windows and linux on this machine?
[05:16] <Jucato> intelikey: /set bell_beeps ON
[05:16] <dennister> !kill
[05:16] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:16] <jamie_> LeeJunFan:  i tried adding the route manually but still could not ping. then I tried adding a route to the remote IP thorugh my local IP. nope, no dual boot, kubuntu only
[05:16] <intelikey> Jucato yes.  did you also find the one for only the pm beeps ?
[05:16] <Jucato> intelikey: unfortunately, I don't know what level to set beep_msg_level... setting it to ALL beeps even on join/parts/leave
[05:17] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: maybe it's actually able to get to the remote IP, and just swallowing my ICMP pings; but a dig www.google.com @4.2.2.1 fails as well..
[05:17] <Jucato> intelikey: in short..... now :(
[05:17] <Jucato> s/now/no
[05:17] <intelikey> level "highlight"   ?
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: is your remote IP private or a real IP?
[05:18] <Jucato> i'll try
[05:18] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: I'll put whole output in paste in just a sec...
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: okay, I'll bbiab.
[05:18] <Jucato> intelikey: hm... dunno if it works...
[05:18] <intelikey> Jucato i'm not actually recalling it but guessing.
[05:18] <Jucato> intelikey: ok didn't work. :)
[05:19] <TehUni> are the US servers getting destroyed right now? apt-get update won't finish and it's taking about 30min to download firefox...
[05:19] <Jucato> TehUni: try switching to another server or mirror
[05:20] <intelikey> TehUni if apt-get update won't finish  then you prolly shouldn't be trying to install anything....  unless you like broken/borked/hosed packages.
[05:20] <TehUni> mmm... makes sense
[05:21] <jerp> do they have help files at 'help.ubuntu.com/com' on how to get onto the net for a newb?
[05:21] <jamie_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28580/
[05:21] <TehUni> what's a mirror for us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[05:21] <Furesho> the font smoothing that's default in kubuntu (and most any linux i've seen) is more like cleartype and is meant for lcd displays. is there any way to do font smoothing that's more like windows' "standard" font smoothing?
[05:21] <Furesho> (i have a crt)
[05:21] <intelikey> nl.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:21] <Jobberwacky> disable hinting maybe?
[05:22] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: sorry, didn't address it directly to you, did you see it? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28580/
[05:22] <Jobberwacky> and use bold fonts, that's basically what windows does
[05:22] <intelikey> or actually i think that backward... but as the kids say "same diff"
[05:22] <jerp> kick me if I get to obnoxious in all my newbiness
[05:22] <gop_> hey any here know why I am getting this error 4038: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[05:22] <gop_>     when I do mount -a
[05:23] <jamie_> Furesho: I think Windows "standard" smoothing isn't smoothing at all. look at it carefully. there's no smoothing. however, i've had luck in KDE's font setup (control panel) but setting smoothing to "light" on CRT's.
[05:23] <intelikey> gop_ samba ?
[05:23] <jamie_> gop_: do youknow what the relevant /etc/fstab says?
[05:24] <gop_> yea let show you
[05:24] <jamie_> gop_: yeah, sounds like you can't connect to a samba (windows) share
[05:24] <Furesho> no, there is some smoothing, definitely. if you turn off the smoothing in windows altogether, you'll see jaggies everywherer
[05:24] <Furesho> -r
[05:24] <jamie_> Furesho: hmm. it's probably pretty light.
[05:24] <gop_> /gopunix/Music /media/music   smbfs  auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,umask=000,user  0 0
[05:24] <gop_> .///gopunix/Music /media/music   smbfs  auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,umask=000,user  0 0
[05:24] <gop_> it correct
[05:24] <jamie_> Furesho: the thing that bugs me most about linux font handling is the lack of proper kerning on many fonts.
[05:24] <Jobberwacky> Furesho, disable hinting and just leave anti aliasing
[05:25] <gop_> jamie_,  why
[05:25] <jamie_> actually that's a limitation of qt3 (and thus kde) i guess and will be remedied soon.
[05:25] <gop_> jamie_,  I am able to browser it
[05:25] <gop_> and  i am able to do smbmount
[05:25] <gop_> but not thru fstab
[05:25] <jamie_> gop_: try deleting the ./ from the beginning of the line...
[05:26] <gop_> !smbmount
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smbmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <gop_> jamie_,  that was my mistake it has no ./
[05:26] <gop_> " //gopunix/Music /media/music   smbfs  auto,credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,umask=000,user  0 0"
[05:26] <jamie_> gop_: ahh hmm. dunno ;-) haven't used it in a while.
[05:26] <Furesho> hmmm... gotta restart kde to see if it worked
[05:26] <Furesho> brb
[05:26] <jamie_> Furesho: actually
[05:26] <jamie_> Furesho: you just have to open a new window (program
[05:26] <intelikey> gop_ why two / ?
[05:27] <jamie_> intelikey: it's samba weirdness
[05:27] <Furesho> well, if that's the case, it didn't work
[05:27] <gop_> I only need one /gopunix the share name
[05:27] <gop_> it two for samba
[05:27] <jamie_> Furesho: did you just change it in control panel
[05:27] <gop_> the unc
[05:27] <Furesho> yyyyup
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: hrm, everything looks good in the ppp output.
[05:27] <jamie_> intelikey: it's to match the double backslash convention in windows \\servername\sharename
[05:27] <Furesho> it said it'll work in newly opened apps, so i opened kate, and same ol' cleartype-ish smoothing
[05:27] <gop_> can I have \\servername\sharename\sharedir
[05:28] <jamie_> Furesho: reduce the smoothing to "light"
[05:28] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: any idea why i can't ping the remote ip?
[05:28] <Furesho> tried it already
[05:28] <Furesho> same results
[05:28] <intelikey> gop_ no \ is escape char in linux
[05:28] <gop_> but in the fstab
[05:28] <gop_> /
[05:28] <gop_>  //
[05:28] <jamie_> Furesho: you could actually disable smoothing on small fonts... say, 1-8. might be crisper.
[05:28] <BonBonTheJon_> anyone with edgy have CUPS work right
[05:28] <jamie_> you can do that right in kde cp also
[05:29] <intelikey> \\ == \     so \\\\ would be the same as \\ in windows but linux wont read \\ as /      so no.
[05:29] <jamie_> gop_: you have it right... double FORWARD slashes // for samba mounts, not \\. \\ is windows.
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: lame of them to filter icmp on everything, makes it tough to test what part is broken.
[05:29] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: yeah... you think that's what's going on?
[05:30] <gop_> hmm jamie_  so why won't it allow me to connect it mounts my drives in windows
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: I think so, I can't ping their DNS servers or that gateway.
[05:30] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: probably means traceroute doesn't work too, i think that relies on icmp too
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: yeah, it does.
[05:30] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: it all might be behind a firewall and only accessible from a sprint pcs card...
[05:30] <gop_> !samba
[05:30] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:31] <Furesho> okay. i think i have to at least restart kde, cuz i just turned off anti-aliasing all together, and opened an app and i see the same smoothing.
[05:31] <CVirus> Any reports of successful upgrades to Edgy Eft ?
[05:31] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: i have an idea... maybe i have to do it first in Windows, maybe it messes with the firmware somehow.
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: I doubt it. But you never know.
[05:32] <BonBonTheJon_> CVirus: I'm almost done downloading for Edgy, my update will be done shortly after that
[05:32] <soundmaster80> i have an off topic question. I need a sql client to interface with oracle database for a class i'm taking
[05:32] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: yeah... i'm pretty out of ideas. ;-) i'll give it a shot. someone said that they suspected the card get a new PRI or tower list or something...
[05:33] <soundmaster80> i would like to know if anyone has suggestions
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: it appears to be doing everything except setting the default route, why I don't know when you have the defaultroute option set.
[05:33] <intelikey> well i just tested fstab doesn't seem to care how many / you put in there anyway.   " //dev/hdb ////var///cache//apt/archives ext2 nosuid 0 0 "   works with mount -a    so i'll make a note of that to ignore it next time.
[05:33] <BonBonTheJon_> soundmaster80: the open office database program might be able to connect to Oracle
[05:33] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: here i'll paste something i tried a few minutes ago too..
[05:33] <soundmaster80> thank you bon bon, but i'm looking for something with a command prompt
[05:34] <soundmaster80> just something i can access the DB and end up with a SQL> prompt
[05:34] <BonBonTheJon_> soundmaster80: sorry, I've only played with mysql
[05:34] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28585/
[05:34] <soundmaster80> yeah, that is my problem
[05:34] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: brb...
[05:34] <atticstorm> I would like to delete (remove rm) all ~*.tmp files in a folder tree and have tried to use rm -r ~*.tmp but it did not work.  How can I do this?  Thanks.
[05:35] <jamie_> btw if anyone is looking for a laptop recommendation, the ibm thinkpad X41 tablet works great in breezy or later...
[05:35] <soundmaster80> another one is for the e1505 from dell
[05:35] <jamie_> the stylus and fingerprint reader don't work out of the box but they're usable...
[05:35] <soundmaster80> just make sure you get the 3945 intel card
[05:36] <jamie_> another one for a TC1100 tablet from HP... everything worked (including stylus) with no configuration with breezy.
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> yay, speaking of ppp, looks like one of my mppp T1's just went down. :(
[05:36] <soundmaster80> stupid me maxed everything out but with just 1gb RAM
[05:36] <jamie_> ;-)
[05:36] <intelikey> looks like linux ignores extra slashes all around.  who would have thought it.  (but i knew this, just forgot.)
[05:36] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@~]  cd .///////////////////////////////////////////////docs///////
[05:36] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@~/docs] 
[05:36] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: sounds like you're going to have some fun..
[05:37] <jamie_> LeeJunFan: be back later, going to try to see if I can get it working in windows. who knows?! ;-)
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: I've got it setup to keep retrying, hopefully it'll cure itself in 10 mins or less, I'll give my provider a few mins before I call.
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> jamie_: okay.
[05:37] <jamie_> bbl
[05:39] <atticstorm> Anyone have experience in deleting a like set of files down a folder tree?  Like deleting temp files.
[05:39] <The_Vox> ok, let's see if there's any 64bit users here...anybody know if edgy got support for 32bit apps on 64bit kubuntu out-of-the-box? or did they stay 64pure?
[05:39] <soundmaster80> is there a way to use firefox's "open containing folder" in konqueror?
[05:40] <The_Vox> atticstorm: you use find and xargs with a pipe in between
[05:40] <atticstorm> The_Vox: A few months ago one of the articles in Linux Journal talked about this.  The piece was written by the new editor.  Don't know the date, sorry.
[05:41] <intelikey> atticstorm what do you want to rm ?
[05:41] <atticstorm> The_Vox: I will do some man work on xargs, thanks.  I am looking go get rid of Word temp files on a customer drive to save room on the CD's.
[05:41] <The_Vox> atticstorm: IIRC, it'd go something like "find ./ -name "*whatever*" | xargs rm -f" but I'd really recommend reading the manpages to make sure, I don't remember the exact switches
[05:42] <intelikey> atticstorm give me something to work with.   are they .tmp or what ?
[05:43] <intelikey> is there a common denominator visable ?
[05:43] <intelikey> all end with  ~  ?
[05:44] <ubuntu_> Anyone have a suggestion for repairing a NTFS MFT?
[05:44] <intelikey> but if you don't want me to bark out a string just stay silent......
[05:44] <ubuntu_> intelikey: How do you use pastebin?
[05:44] <atticstorm> intelikey:  Looking to delete all of the ~XXXXX.tmp files in a directory tree.  Thoughts?  The_Vox was helpful with pipes and the xargs command.
[05:45] <Johnsandman> apt-get give fault main archive is not working cannot downloading any thing for my amd64 :|
[05:45] <intelikey> ubuntu_ you go to the url and then copy / paste your text and select the submit link and bring the resulting url back with you.
[05:45] <dennister> ubuntu_: can u change ur nic pls?
[05:46] <The_Vox> why don't the ubuntu/kubuntu people put actually useful information about releases somewhere?
[05:46] <macconline> hi.... i have a  problem with sound system 5.1.... only 1 of 5 speakers fine
[05:46] <dennister> i realize ur probably in livecd mode...but it's confusing
[05:47] <intelikey> atticstorm   find /<base.dir> -name *.tmp -exec rm -i '{}' \;            intrupret the <base.dir> as where you want to start    and if you don't want to confirm all of them  don't use the   -i  switch.
[05:47] <dennister> ty kubuntu
[05:47] <atticstorm> intelikey: Thank you very much, will give it a try.
[05:48] <intelikey> be advised that is permanant.  so if you get file.tmp that should have stayed,   oh well...
[05:48] <kubuntu> intelikey: Oh I meant you. Don't you run from the command line?
[05:48] <Naomarik> Section "Screen"
[05:48] <Naomarik>     ....
[05:48] <Naomarik>     Subsection "Display"
[05:48] <Naomarik>         Depth       24
[05:48] <Naomarik>         Modes       "1680x1050" "1280x1024" ...
[05:48] <Naomarik>         ViewPort    0 0
[05:48] <Naomarik>     EndSubsection
[05:48] <Naomarik> oops
[05:48] <intelikey> kubuntu yes
[05:48] <kubuntu> intelikey: RIght so how do you manage to use pastebin?
[05:49] <intelikey> i use gpm
[05:49] <intelikey> !info gpm
[05:49] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB
[05:49] <Naomarik> anyone know about running kubuntu within windows via vmware? I'm wondering whether it's beneficial to install the proprietary ATI drivers..
[05:50] <intelikey> Naomarik there may be info on the wiki that would help there.
[05:50] <intelikey> !ati
[05:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:50] <intelikey> it's not all a howto  it has some other info
[05:50] <kubuntu> Good grief who tags teh stuff in the repos
[05:51] <kubuntu> Blind one eyed jack?
[05:51] <intelikey> kubuntu probably the developers them selves
[05:52] <kubuntu> tell them to stop smoking software crack
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> poopie! that T1 isn't coming back, and neither is the router I rebooted from remote. hehe Owell, later guys.
[05:52] <intelikey> you tell em'    they don't answer to me....
[05:52] <rredd4> i did a dist upgrade and got this error (i cannot boot into kubuntu, i am in windoze)   relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:  Symbol dl out of memory, version GLIBC_Private not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time references
[05:53] <Johnsandman> are there other archive kubuntu working mine is not working for downloading files in new kubuntu :|
[05:53] <CVirus> oh oo
[05:53] <RobNyc_> how many are loving kubuntu edgy lol
[05:53] <kubuntu> Does anyone use the tags in adept?
[05:53] <CVirus> rredd4: did had to dist-upgrade 2 times before rebooting
[05:54] <rredd4> no
[05:54] <rredd4> once
[05:54] <rredd4> i was locked up
[05:54] <CVirus> rredd4: are you upgrading from dapper to edgy ?
[05:54] <rredd4> yes
[05:54] <Lam_> RobNyc_: i love kubuntu edgy
[05:54] <Lam_> slickness ftw
[05:54] <RobNyc_> :)
[05:54] <Jucato> edgy-ness...
[05:54] <CVirus> rredd4: you should have followed the upgrade notes http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[05:54] <rredd4> CVirus i did read them
[05:54] <Johnsandman> I love kubuntu edgy if i can normal download from the main nl.archive :|
[05:55] <intelikey> Johnsandman someone said the us. server/s were acting up  you can try the nl.
[05:55] <CVirus> rredd4: have you dist-upgraded twice as it says ?
[05:55] <intelikey> ah you are using nl....  hmmmm
[05:55] <cellofellow> twice? you meen I have to do this again?
[05:55] <CVirus> rredd4: err ... it doesnt say so
[05:55] <CVirus> no no
[05:55] <felixjet> !!!!!!!!!!
[05:55] <CVirus> sorry .. my bad
[05:55] <felixjet> firefox just crashed omg
[05:55] <rredd4> CVirus the first time locked me up and i cannot boot into linux
[05:55] <felixjet> is there anyway to find the websites i was watching?!?!?!
[05:56] <CVirus> rredd4: have you sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal ?
[05:56] <Johnsandman> intelkey>don't work either I think I have to wait a bit
[05:56] <CVirus> felixjet: firefox session saver extension
[05:56] <Jucato> felixjet: if you're using Firefox 2.0 on Edgy, there's a session restore
[05:56] <felixjet> 1.5 on dapper
[05:56] <rredd4> CVirus it will not let me do that, just gives me the same error as i typed
[05:56] <kubuntu> Hi Jucato
[05:56] <cellofellow> Jucato: ought that to be part of Firefox 2 on any OS?
[05:56] <intelikey> Johnsandman tod is key on release day
[05:56] <CVirus> rredd4: give me the exact erro please
[05:56] <CVirus> error*
[05:56] <Jucato> cellofellow: yes
[05:56] <motorhead> hai
[05:57] <RobNyc_> CVirus, what r u doing there
[05:57] <CVirus> RobNyc_: but ... what are you doing here ?
[05:57] <macconline> hi.... i have a  problem with sound system 5.1.... only 1 of 5 speakers fine
[05:57] <RobNyc_> CVirus, chillin with you bro
[05:57] <cellofellow> Motorhead: are you going to say that each time you come on now?
[05:57] <intelikey> Jucato wouldn't it also be in the "history"
[05:57] <CVirus> RobNyc_: :-)
[05:57] <Johnsandman> intelkey> what u mean with tod ??
[05:57] <intelikey> any version
[05:57] <rredd4> CVirus  i did  relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:  Symbol dl out of memory, version GLIBC_Private not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time references
[05:57] <Jucato> intelikey: only if you remember what you were viewing :)
[05:57] <intelikey> Johnsandman tod = time of day
[05:58] <Tontonq> Thanx For Free Kubuntu CDs! :D
[05:58] <Jucato> free?
[05:58] <Jucato> ah must be Dapper
[05:58] <Jucato> :P
[05:59] <intelikey> free like beer, or free like speach ?
[05:59] <Jucato> intelikey: both probably hehehe
[05:59] <CVirus> rredd4: google says nothing about it ... weird
[05:59] <Jucato> j/k
[05:59] <rredd4> CVirus  i am screwed... do I have to reinstall?
[05:59] <Motorhead> is it possible to have gnome and kde installled??? because idk which one i like more and wanna use both then just use one :S
[06:00] <Jucato> Motorhead: yes
[06:00] <kubuntu> intelikey: Interesting it's installed by default?
[06:00] <CVirus> rredd4: can you try running ldconfig ?
[06:00] <kubuntu> or the libs are at least
[06:00] <Jucato> you're just going to have some messy menus, iirc
[06:00] <Motorhead> cello: what?
[06:00] <kubuntu> Man Ubuntu is going to suck in two years
[06:00] <CVirus> kubuntu: keep this for yourself
[06:00] <Naomarik> hey intelikely, I guess my question earlier was can I run linux with 3d acceleration via vmware.. did some searches and looks like the answer is no :(
[06:01] <kubuntu> CVirus: Keep what?
[06:01] <rredd4> CVirus  i cannot get a console.  when i reboot into kubuntu, i get the same error i just typed
[06:01] <rredd4> in recovery console
[06:01] <CVirus> rredd4: you get the error and it freezes ?
[06:01] <rredd4> CVirus yes
[06:01] <CVirus> rredd4: I beleive you got no choice
[06:01] <rredd4> CVirus  wonderful...
[06:01] <Tontonq> i have found a local Privilege Escalation bug @ kde  which kubuntu use it
[06:01] <CVirus> rredd4: well
[06:01] <avuton> Is there a install (from) usbdisk planned? I don't even have or need a cdrom anymore except for when it comes to installing or repairing my distribution.
[06:02] <CVirus> rredd4: have you been installing unofficial software packages ?
[06:02] <Mansal> Somone here?
[06:02] <intelikey> kubuntu talking about gpm ?     it has to be both configured and started  normally init does the start  /etc/init.d/gpm start   called from /etc/rc2.d/S##gpm  at boot time.
[06:02] <rredd4> CVirus  ? like?
[06:02] <CVirus> rredd4: any unofficial software packages
[06:02] <intelikey> it's very handy for copy/paste in the console.
[06:02] <Mansal> Need help with my system
[06:02] <CVirus> rredd4: have you been using any repositores other than the official ones ?
[06:03] <Mansal> I cant strt it
[06:03] <CVirus> repositories*
[06:03] <rredd4> CVirus  wine
[06:03] <kubuntu> intelikey: Alright. What are the libs used by?
[06:03] <Mansal> start*
[06:03] <CVirus> rredd4: anything else ?
 intelikey: Alright. What are the libs used by?
[06:03] <rredd4> CVirus  no
[06:03] <CVirus> rredd4: cant help you ... sorry
[06:03] <kubuntu> can I query apt to find out what packages depend on a package?
[06:03] <intelikey> the libs are used by gpm i guess not sure what libs you mean.....
[06:03] <intelikey> !info gpm
[06:03] <Jucato> kubuntu: yes
[06:03] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB
[06:04] <CVirus> rredd4: did the system freeze while you were upgrading and it gave you this error ?
[06:04] <rredd4> CVirus yes
[06:04] <Mansal> When I try to start my new kubuntu 6.10, It frezes. It not loading.
[06:04] <kubuntu> intelikey: I saw it. The libgpm is installed already
[06:04] <CVirus> rredd4: total freeze ?
[06:04] <kubuntu> Jucato: How?
[06:04] <intelikey> kubuntu i'm not sure what might be depending on libgmp besides gpm
[06:04] <rredd4> CVirus i could not open any program, do any command, push the power button.  my mouse did work tho
[06:05] <kubuntu> that's what I thought. It's installed by default though gpm isn't
[06:05] <CVirus> rredd4: i beleive that it's X only which has freezed
[06:05] <Mansal> And, I start in recovery mode. It comes mutch text. After a while it totaly stops
[06:05] <Mansal> No terminal
[06:05] <Jucato> kubuntu: apt-cache show <package>
[06:05] <rredd4> CVirus is libc6 x?
[06:06] <CVirus> rredd4: err .. no
[06:06] <rredd4> CVirus that is what it was trying to install
[06:06] <Mansal> I get an unknown error code from DMA
[06:06] <Mansal> What is that?
[06:06] <TehUni> i just installed kubuntu edgy on my laptop, and it always boots into 640x480. the xorg.conf is right (far as i can tell). it's a dell inspiron 640m - intel 945 chipset. the resolution should be 1440x900. any ideas?
[06:06] <neoncode> Are their any good guids for running XLG on Kubunu Edgy with an ATI card?
[06:06] <neoncode> Guides sorry
[06:07] <kubuntu> CVirus: What should I keep?
[06:07] <Mansal> !DMA
[06:07] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[06:07] <CVirus> kubuntu: what do you need ?
[06:07] <kubuntu> You said I should keep that to myself
[06:07] <kubuntu> I was confused what that was about
[06:07] <CVirus> kubuntu: keep you troll-like opinion for yourself
[06:07] <kubuntu> CVirus: Oh about Ubuntu?
[06:08] <CVirus> kubuntu: yes
[06:08] <kubuntu> CVirus: Just find it hard to see how they are going to remain cutting edge and still only ship one CD
[06:08] <CVirus> kubuntu: now you have the right to talk ... I thought you were starting a flame wat
[06:08] <CVirus> war*
[06:09] <kubuntu> We are already cutting things cause of space
[06:09] <intelikey> kubuntu apt-cache r/depends libgpm1   both turn up blank  ......
[06:09] <kubuntu> and edubuntu is removing all KDE apps from thier release even though there is great reason to keep them
[06:09] <daveyj> help i broke my x :(
[06:10] <daveyj> cant load xorg
[06:10] <daveyj> errr
[06:10] <kubuntu> daveyj: calm down :)
[06:10] <intelikey> kubuntu ah ha.... found something.
[06:10] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@~]  apt-cache depends libgpmg1
[06:10] <intelikey> libgpmg1
[06:10] <intelikey>   Depends: libc6
[06:10] <intelikey>   Suggests: gpm
[06:10] <intelikey>   Conflicts: <libgpm1>
[06:10] <daveyj> glx
[06:10] <kubuntu>  it's not nearly as bad as it feels the first time :)
[06:10] <daveyj> not xorg ;)
[06:11] <rredd4> is there any other alternative then a complete reinstall of kubuntu with this error?  relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:  Symbol dl out of memory, version GLIBC_Private not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time references.  I did a dist upgrade from dapper to edgy.
[06:11] <daveyj> i know i've broken it a million times.. however i didnt do it this time
[06:11] <daveyj> some upgrades did
[06:11] <intelikey> looks like libc6 is the reason it's installed by default
[06:11] <kubuntu> intelikey: See I don't get that. Why install something based on a recommendation then not install the recommendation?
[06:11] <kubuntu> intelikey: No it depends on libc6 not the other way around
[06:12] <kubuntu> daveyj: Well Fix it the same way :)
[06:12] <daveyj> :)
[06:12] <intelikey> you say i'm shooting backwards....
[06:12] <intelikey> thy this then
[06:12] <intelikey>  apt-cache rdepends libgpmg1
[06:12] <daveyj> the xorg you gave me last time worked fine.. but then i apt'd all the new updates
[06:13] <kubuntu> libgpmg1 depends on libc6
[06:13] <kubuntu> It recommends gpm
[06:13] <intelikey> try it.
[06:13] <intelikey> try it
[06:13] <intelikey> apt-cache rdepends libgpmg1
[06:13] <daveyj> i should do that?
[06:13] <kubuntu> daveyj: No me
[06:13] <daveyj> oh lol
[06:14] <kubuntu> Hmm is ncurses installed by default?
[06:14] <intelikey> prolly
[06:14] <intelikey> w3m and vim are
[06:14] <dennister> whole system froze/crashed...back now
[06:14] <kubuntu> wait vim needs libgpmg1?
[06:15] <intelikey> it's in the list
[06:15] <kubuntu> Hmm Muy interesting
[06:15] <kubuntu> Yeah I brushed over it :)
[06:15] <kubuntu> repo tags suck :)
[06:15] <kubuntu>  and has anyone tried to recover an NTFS partition?
[06:16] <intelikey> but "w3m"  is for sure a defalt on all *buntu systems
[06:16] <dennister> I'm trying to purge my system completely of sun-java, mozilla, and mozilla-firefox...has anyone ever done this b4?
[06:16] <intelikey> kubuntu yeah testdisk
[06:16] <Dasnipa`> ab 86% done with download yay
[06:17] <intelikey> i haven't used it on ntfs but others have. i have used it on vfat though kubuntu
[06:17] <intelikey> partition table is partition table
[06:17] <dennister> i've already done as much as I can through purging with adept, but there are still vestiges in my filesystem and i want to make sure that I do it safely
[06:17] <PixelCloud> sigh
[06:18] <PixelCloud> my sound stopped working after upgrading to edgy
[06:18] <Tontonq> anyone here regular expression master :|
[06:18] <PixelCloud> i need help :(
[06:18] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kubuntu update taking 4 hours lol
[06:18] <intelikey> dennister debfoster/deborphen
[06:18] <kubuntu> intelikey: Yeah I thought the same thing and i wrote to the authour this morning to tell him that his siftware is apparently missing a few menus
[06:18] <PixelCloud> i downloaded alternative cd and updated via apt
[06:18] <dennister> intelikey: that will remove the vestiges?
[06:19] <kubuntu> intelikey: I was hoping to have this fixed tonight. seems that might not happen. :(
[06:19] <lontra> how do i set up my vfat windows partition so that i can access it automatically from kubuntu?  i know i need to edit /etc/fstab
[06:19] <dennister> i'm in configure konqueror now, removing the plugins that mention these items...but stopped cause of the safety concern
[06:19] <intelikey> dennister it will remove "no longer needed libs" if you are trimming the fat, that's a good way.
[06:20] <intelikey> !info testdisk
[06:20] <ubotu> testdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.1-1 (dapper), package size 386 kB, installed size 1124 kB
[06:20] <kubuntu> lontra: in konqueror type man:/fstab
[06:20] <intelikey> kubuntu ^
[06:20] <kubuntu> intelikey: I know I have it.
[06:20] <kubuntu> intelikey: Hmm I wonder
[06:20] <dennister> k...will do...what about the plugins in konq that mention mozilla...leave only the netscape ones?
[06:22] <intelikey> lontra add "umask="  to the line,   man fstab for the specifics.    i normally just use umask=0   but a fmask=111,dmask=000   sould be more likable
[06:23] <daveyj> i'm going to cry :(
[06:23] <intelikey> daveyj ok.
[06:23] <intelikey> i'll cry with you......
[06:24] <Naomarik> so intelikey, do you just mainly answer linux questions all day?
[06:24] <dennister> intelikey: should i remove all the plugins in konq that mention mozilla? leave only the netscape ones?
[06:24] <intelikey> no actually i just collect data from the web for about 7 hours.....
[06:24] <Naomarik> oh?
[06:24] <kubuntu> Then uses it for the penguin swastika squad
[06:25] <kubuntu> intelikey: Do you have testdisk installed?
[06:25] <intelikey> dennister idk.
[06:25] <intelikey> kubuntu i think so why >?
[06:25] <kubuntu> have a FAT or NTFS drive?
[06:25] <dennister> <----doesn't want to screw up her only browser
[06:25] <dennister> idk?
[06:25] <intelikey> yeah vfat
[06:26] <Napa> why don't this command work in kubuntu ?   "gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/dcpp.desktop"
[06:26] <intelikey> dennister idk == i don't know.
[06:26] <daveyj> why cant i fix this damn X.. nothing changed!
[06:26] <Ash-Fox> !w32codecs
[06:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:26] <dennister> k thx
[06:26] <Napa> ik get this errormessage: bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:26] <intelikey> Napa cause it's kdesu in kubuntu
[06:26] <Napa> ahh
[06:26] <Napa> thanx
[06:26] <intelikey> np
[06:26] <kubuntu> intelikey: can you look under the advanced menu for the Fat partition and tell me the options
[06:27] <kubuntu> I think it should be type and boot
[06:27] <intelikey> [  Type  ]   [  Boot  ]   [  Quit  ] 
[06:28] <kubuntu> intelikey: OK under Boot what options do you have?
[06:28] <intelikey> [  Quit  ]   [Rebuild BS] [  Dump  ]   [Repair FAT] 
[06:28] <PixelCloud> my sound wont work! it worked in dapper
[06:28] <PixelCloud> all the modules are loaded
[06:28] <kubuntu> Why don't I get that Repair option :(
[06:28] <PixelCloud> nothing is muted
[06:29] <intelikey> cause it's not fat
[06:29] <kubuntu> There should be one there for NTFS as well
[06:29] <intelikey> can't repair what isn't there ???
[06:29] <Dasnipa`> is there a way to change screensaver settings via the console?
[06:30] <intelikey> hehhe killall xscreensaver
[06:30] <intelikey> that changes it
[06:30] <Dasnipa`> right
[06:30] <avuton> Hrm, my mouse stops working after suspend, completely. Even after X restart. Any pointers to things I should check?
[06:30] <kubuntu>  I mailed Christophe and he mailed me back and said it should be there
[06:31] <intelikey> kubuntu did you  [Analyse ]    the drive first ?
[06:31] <daveyj> can someone help me fix my x? :(
[06:32] <intelikey> daveyj the only fix for an ex is a divorce
[06:32] <intelikey> oh X server
[06:32] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[06:33] <daveyj> ;)
[06:33] <kubuntu> intelikey: doesn't matter if I do or not
[06:33] <intelikey> read and answer all the questions carefully.
[06:35] <kubuntu> Why didn't someone tell me about w3m before?
[06:35] <intelikey> i do seem to spend a lot of time in here though, dont i...........
[06:35] <intelikey> kubuntu you didn't ask ?
[06:36] <kubuntu>  i did
[06:36] <kubuntu> I got back links2 as the answer
[06:36] <daveyj> intelikey: i did that and it still doesnt work
[06:37] <lontra> is there any way to make knetworkmanager remember my WEP key?
[06:37] <kubuntu> intelikey: Do what I do keep changing your name so people keep guessing :)
[06:37] <kubuntu> hi Seveas
[06:37] <intelikey> kubuntu links2  and/or  elinks     can both do graphic web browsing in the console using frame buffering
[06:37] <daveyj> should i just reinstall kubuntu? :(
[06:38] <kubuntu> daveyj: For an X problem?
[06:38] <intelikey> daveyj if you can't fix it, and you can't display us an error message to try to guess at, and you think reinstalling will work;  then, gopher it.
[06:39] <daveyj> well the error is that it cant load glx
[06:39] <intelikey> that's " go fur it "    as sure why not.
[06:39] <nixternal> what is wrong with x daveyj?
[06:39] <daveyj> not even positive its x
[06:39] <daveyj> it was working fine, didnt change anything
[06:39] <intelikey> glx
[06:39] <kubuntu> It's the driver?
[06:39] <daveyj> but then i rebooted and it stopped working
[06:39] <intelikey> !glx
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <daveyj> i did a lot of updates
[06:40] <daveyj> when th eofficial edgy release came out.. i was using the pre-release
[06:40] <intelikey> is it ati nvidia intel ???
[06:40] <daveyj> nvidia geforce 5500
[06:40] <intelikey> !nv
[06:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:40] <daveyj> how can i go to that if i cant start x? :(
[06:41] <kubuntu> daveyj: w3m
[06:41] <kubuntu> w3m URL
[06:41] <intelikey> ok change the driver from nvidia to nv  in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf     and try running startx
[06:42] <yonkeltron> anyone have a compaq laptop?
[06:42] <daveyj> okay that actually worked
[06:42] <daveyj> nv
[06:42] <kubuntu> anywho I'll moan about the tags late
[06:42] <intelikey> nv is the free driver.
[06:42] <kubuntu> good night all
[06:42] <daveyj> but now beryl is broken :(
[06:43] <intelikey> nv is the free driver.
[06:43] <t3hwiz0rd-server> when the edgy update is done do youj need to reinstall nvidia drivers or something?
[06:43] <intelikey> so what you need to do is go to that wiki and totally reinstall your nvidia driver.
[06:43] <daveyj> hwo do i remove the regular nvidia driver and then reinstall it so beryl works again?
[06:43] <daveyj> oh
[06:43] <daveyj> okay
[06:43] <daveyj> lol
[06:44] <intelikey> did you get the url ?
[06:44] <intelikey> !nv
[06:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:44] <intelikey> and there are others also.
[06:44] <intelikey> search the ubuntu wiki's
[06:45] <intelikey> ok i'm off to lunch. back snortly
[06:45] <Ash-Fox> !changelog
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <Ash-Fox> Drat
[06:46] <daveyj> that link doesnt work
[06:46] <Ash-Fox> Anybody happen to know where I can find a changelog that shows the changes since Dapper?
[06:46] <Ash-Fox> daveyj, which link?
[06:47] <lontra> i just installed kubuntu edgy after a couple times rebooting i went to open emacs-snapshot and my fonts wnet from fine and pretty to completely ugly and nearly impossibly to read...anyone know why this happened or how i can fix it?
[06:47] <Ash-Fox> lontra, try export LANG=C, then try opening emacs
[06:47] <Ash-Fox> (assuming that's the console based emacs)
[06:47] <lontra> no this is an X based one
[06:47] <Ash-Fox> Ah, no idea then
[06:48] <orkid__> snapshot == svn or cvs?
[06:48] <lontra> cvs i think
[06:48] <lontra> but it happens in emacs21.4a too
[06:48] <daveyj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/binarydriverhowto doesnt exist
[06:48] <orkid__> maybe try apt-get remove, and apt-get install .
[06:48] <lontra> orkid__: i've tried that...nothing
[06:48] <orkid__> odd, ... can't use emacs (not snapshot) ?
[06:48] <Ash-Fox> Where do I define the LANG parameter on (k)ubuntu distros anyway?
[06:49] <orkid__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:49] <lontra> orkid__: both emacs and the snapshot are horribly ugly fonts
[06:51] <intelikey> daveyj  wget https://help.ubuntu.com/community/binarydriverhowto ; mv binarydriverhowto binarydriverhowto.html  ; w3m binarydriverhowto.html          but that wont get the internal links
[06:51] <daveyj> lol i got it.. i'm gunna try and reboot
[06:51] <daveyj> brb
[06:52] <orkid__> lontra: sorry , can't find info on why this might be happening
[06:54] <pibarnas> I'm trying to download edgy efty, but my ktorrent is stopped for long time (about 4 hours) at 99,49%. How could I resume the download? is it possible?
[06:54] <lontra> orkid__: no worries...i've just had tons of little wierd stuff happening in kubuntu edgy...it seems more unstable on my machine than debian unstable
[06:54] <orkid__> close ktoreent, open it again.
[06:55] <orkid__> lontra: could try a fresh install... i'm running edgy now (been for a while)... i'll try emacs-snapshot and see how it works (i'm running both kde and gnome).
[06:55] <ecokiller> any problems with kubuntu 6.1?
[06:55] <lontra> orkid__: i did try a fresh install :/
[06:55] <lontra> orkid__: also i can't get knetworkmanager to remember my WEP password
[06:55] <lontra> which is annoying
[06:55] <orkid__> pibarnas: maybe no one has the bit you're looking for, (possibly true if 0 seeders)
[06:56] <orkid__> i don't use wireless, so i can't help with that. sorry.
[06:56] <Ash-Fox> !wifi
[06:56] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:56] <Ash-Fox> I have always found those docs really helpful whenever setting up a WI-FI card
[06:56] <heevhu> hi all
[06:57] <Ash-Fox> Atheros cards though were the least trouble, I didn't even need documentation, that worked immidately.
[06:57] <ecokiller> is it still safe to run both a copy of windows and xp and kubuntu on the same machine?
[06:57] <InteliWasp> is there any thing during the upgrade that needs my attention or can i just go to sleep and let it finish D/Ling and install overnight?
[06:57] <pibarnas> I close ktorrent and opened it again. The download continued, thank you very much!
[06:58] <Ash-Fox> ecokiller, yes.
[06:58] <orkid__> pibarnas, no problem
[06:58] <dennister> I'm hitting the sack pps...good night
[06:59] <DaveyJ> okay
[06:59] <DaveyJ> now i'm in X
[06:59] <DaveyJ> but with nv =/
[07:00] <ecokiller> for those people who run dual boot (windows and kubuntu) what are the things you cannot do with kubuntu that you need windows for?
[07:00] <ecokiller> im thinking about getting rid of xp
[07:00] <pibarnas> May I check md5sum now the download finished? How do I do that?
[07:01] <orkid__> bitorrent does it automatically.
[07:01] <Shadow_mil> pibarnas: md5sum --help  || man md5sum
[07:02] <Shadow_mil> but if you downloaded it from a torrent, it will be fine
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> ecokiller: games, and transfer data between my phone and computer.
[07:02] <foutrelis> I tried to install Kubuntu edgy but it locks up after the 6/6 step of the installer. :( Has anyone experience this as well?
[07:02] <Shadow_mil> as orkid__ said, its already been done
[07:03] <orkid__> lontra: http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2is4.png
[07:03] <ecokiller> leejunfan - i actually had problems with an earlier kubuntu release on connecting to my wireless network. Is it generally easy?
[07:03] <orkid__> lontra: that's emacs after an apt-get install emacs-snapshot under amd64 (i don't know if i have the 6.10 'release' but have the devel version updated)
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> ecokiller: normally as long as your hardware is supported out of the box.
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> ecokiller: unfortunately some vendors don't cooperate by sharing specs for their chipsets and drivers can be a pain.
[07:04] <ecokiller> okay, i have a new laptop from HP... i guess ill give the demo CD a try and see what happens
[07:06] <ecokiller> oh, how are the new boot times and overall performance in the new kubuntu release?
[07:06] <georges> hey guys
[07:07] <ecokiller> hey georges
[07:07] <daveyj> :(
[07:07] <daveyj> i cant get this working!
[07:07] <georges> what is up with konqueror in 6.10? I can only see my home and the media directory.
[07:08] <ecokiller> cant help ya, hevent got it going yet :(
[07:08] <daveyj> f this i'm going to just reinstall kubuntu
[07:08] <daveyj> since theres the new release and everything
[07:08] <daveyj> if i could only find my cdrs
[07:08] <georges> i installed ubuntu, then just installed kubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <ecokiller> im actually downloading the torrent DVD right now
[07:08] <georges> worked fine
[07:08] <arunkale> !flashplayer
[07:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:08] <arunkale> how do i install flashplayer plugin for firefox
[07:09] <arunkale> !flashplayer-plugin
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplayer-plugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <georges> arunkale, look into automatix
[07:09] <arunkale> ok
[07:09] <daveyj> exit
[07:09] <daveyj> whoops
[07:10] <orkid__> apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree (x86 only)
[07:10] <orkid__> apt-cache search flash
[07:10] <foutrelis> Hmmm.. I have succesfully installed ubuntu 6.06 in the past but today when I tried to install kubuntu 6.10 my computer locks up just after step 6/6 :(((
[07:11] <gnac> tried to install 6.10 today, selected my partitions, with root on /dev/hda3
[07:11] <ecokiller> foutrelis: someone just said the same thing minutes ago
[07:11] <gnac> installer said i didn't select a root drive???
[07:11] <foutrelis> yes.. that would be me :)
[07:11] <ecokiller> oh im drunk :)
[07:12] <foutrelis> I am sorry for posting the same thing twice but I am disappointed
[07:12] <sheft> Hey, I upgraded to edgy now, and my wine wont start... gonna play WoW =((
[07:13] <Naomarik> sux0r!! ;o
[07:13] <sheft> common problem?
[07:13] <Naomarik> no clue, i'm just emulating linux within windows via vmware
[07:13] <Naomarik> can't install k/ubuntu with my j micron ide controller
[07:13] <sheft> does it support open gl apps like world of warcraft game?
[07:14] <Naomarik> unfortunately vmware doesn't support 3d acceleration when virtualizing linux... but that's why i'm running windows natively :)
[07:15] <Philip5> Naomarik: it works with jmicron as long as you don't try a bios/fake-raid setup
[07:15] <sheft> aha, i thought u ran windows  thru linux but it was other way around :)
[07:15] <Naomarik> Philip5: is this new as of release of 6.10? i tried the preview release a few days ago and it still didn't work for me
[07:16] <ecokiller> i wish my torrent download was better than 17KB/s
[07:16] <Naomarik> yeah right now it's saving me the nuance of trying to get linux to work natively, more time to grind rank 10 in wow
[07:16] <Philip5> Naomarik: i'm running it right now with jmicron but with linux software raid0
[07:17] <Naomarik> Philip5: so you're saying the ide controller in the bios can't be raid? i forgot what mine is set to but i remember checking it because i read a comment saying it wasn't supposed to be a certain thing and it wasn't...
[07:17] <georges> who here has kubuntu 6.10 installed and working?
[07:17] <georges> I need to compare notes.
[07:17] <TheWheat> i do. just upgraded from 6.06
[07:18] <Philip5> Naomarik: exactly... as if you want it to be raid in bios then you have to make a custom made installcd with the prerelease of dmraid
[07:18] <georges> Hey Wheat, how much of the filesystem can you see in Konqueror? I can only see my home folder and the media folder. What's up with that?
[07:18] <Philip5> but even with that it's tricky
[07:18] <georges> I can't get to my correctly mounted Data drive.... ?
[07:19] <Naomarik> okay Philip5. good thing for me I have no need for a raid setup as I am not currently running one!
[07:19] <TheWheat> georges: the rest are hidden folders
[07:19] <TheWheat> georges: go to View > Show Hidden folders
[07:20] <georges> Ahhhhh.... i shall try that.
[07:20] <georges> Wow, wtf... that's a bit of a stupid default, imo.
[07:20] <ecokiller> so whats the main difference from ubuntu and kubuntu releases
[07:20] <georges> It's hard to scan your music collection in Amarok when it's mounted in /mnt and its hidden! :D
[07:21] <Philip5> Naomarik: set your jmicron chipset in ahci mode in bios and it will fork just fine with edgy
[07:21] <georges> Nevermind, it's still not possible to scan it because it doesn't show up in the filesystem tree in the Amarok scan window. Nice.
[07:21] <homa> haw are u, guys! I just burned kubuntu6.10, and i am trying to install it on my dell d620 notepad, but shit happens: after loading kernel, it showed me such message and hung up."user not known to the underlying authentication module"
[07:21] <mr_daemon> Hey, how does one installs the lastest beta nvidia drivers in Edgy? Removing restricted-modules will take down the kernel with it...
[07:22] <mr_daemon> Well, all the kernels, actually...
[07:22] <Naomarik> okay philp, you convinced me. going to burn the iso now and try it
[07:22] <Philip5> Naomarik: what is the motherboard you are using?
[07:22] <Naomarik> asus p5b deluxe
[07:23] <Philip5> Naomarik: aha, figured that
[07:23] <homa> anyone can help?
[07:23] <Naomarik> do you know if the fglrx or however it's spelled will work with a x1900xt or would I download the drivers off amd/ati's website
[07:23] <georges> TheWheat, any other tips on KDE in general hiding these directories?
[07:23] <ecokiller> homa: havent gotten the kubuntu release yet... still dloading
[07:24] <Philip5> Naomarik: i bet it will but i have a nvidia card myself
[07:24] <homa> to ecokinger: ubuntu6.06 worked pretty fine, but 6.10....
[07:25] <georges> seriously...
[07:25] <Naomarik> Philip5: So that leads me to another question.. on AMD/ati's website the linux driver is named ati-driver-(version).run
[07:25] <Naomarik> how would that be installed?
[07:26] <Philip5> Naomarik: 'sudo sh ati-driver-(version).run'
[07:27] <TheWheat> georges: im not sure. i'm still kind of a newbie myself :)
[07:27] <georges> hehe ok :)
[07:27] <georges> thanks for the View tip though
[07:27] <Naomarik> thanks philip.. amazing how many linux commands can be forgotten after not using it for a long period of time
[07:28] <Mandalf> I realy need help!
[07:28] <ecokiller> anybody using GIMP?
[07:28] <TheWheat> georges: no prob ;)
[07:28] <Philip5> Naomarik: just follow the instructions after that... and i think you better do it when you haven't started xorg
[07:29] <Mandalf> My computer cant start DMA
[07:29] <Mandalf> !dma
[07:29] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[07:29] <Mandalf> I got an unknown errorcode
[07:30] <ecokiller> dont get eliminated!
[07:30] <ecokiller> mxc sorry it was on
[07:30] <Naomarik> what do you mean by that? should i use the ctrl alt keys to get to another session that doesn't have x server running?
[07:31] <Philip5> Naomarik: you shouldn't have xorg running at all when running the ati-bin file... i guess... that's how i install nvidia about the same way
[07:32] <arunkale> what is the apt-get command for installing the flashplayer plugin for firefox
[07:32] <Naomarik> so what would the method be to get into that kind of environment? should I install kubuntu, download the drivers, then kill x server somehow to get into a terminal-like session?
[07:33] <Mandalf> I can not boot my system
[07:34] <Philip5> Naomarik: when you are going to login with kdm then choose console login instead of into kde... from there kill kdm to be sure and then run the ati-bin.. or boot into singeluser mode from start
[07:34] <codeine> did anyone encounter a problem with Firefox 2.0 and Flock 0.7.6 after installing flash?
[07:35] <Naomarik> sounds like a plan. thanks for the help Philip5!
[07:35] <Philip5> Naomarik: np
[07:35] <Mandalf> Philip5: I cant boot my sytem
[07:35] <Mandalf> It freexes
[07:35] <Mandalf> freezes*
[07:35] <Philip5> Mandalf: ok
[07:36] <Mandalf> When I start in recoverymode
[07:36] <Mandalf> i comes mutch text
[07:36] <Mandalf> then i totaly stops
[07:36] <codeine> firefox 2.0 browser crashes after installing the flash plugin
[07:36] <Mandalf> nothing happen
[07:37] <Mandalf> DMA gives the error: unknown
[07:37] <Admiral_Chicago> codeine: that's because it is in beta
[07:37] <Admiral_Chicago> look at the library dependencies
[07:38] <zorda> so umm how much betters kubuntu then ubuntu?
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> zorda: it's all about preference
[07:38] <codeine> Firefox 2.0?
[07:38] <zorda> And K is geared more too?
[07:38] <codeine> its not a beta anymore
[07:38] <orkid__> zorda: much :)
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu is more like windows layout with different programs
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> codeine: flash
[07:38] <Mandalf> Philip5: Any idea?
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> i like the programs
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> GNOME is more minimalist
[07:39] <zorda> GNOME is slow
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> people debate KDE is slow
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> my idea? install kubuntu and log in as kubuntu and try it out
[07:39] <Philip5> Mandalf: not really.... have you tweaked your bios settings?
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> log in as KDE
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry
[07:40] <codeine> tried default plugin and manual install
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> and then try logging in as GNOME
[07:40] <zorda> im really new to linux and i was just wonderinf if K was beter
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> hopefully someone else can help you with that.
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i like KDE much more
[07:41] <Mandalf> Philip5: I have a dell. I dont need that settings so much. I have boot menus to chose how to boot
[07:42] <zorda> ll
[07:42] <zorda> kk
[07:42] <zorda> hmm
[07:43] <Mandalf> Philip5: My computer is 5 years. Can it was that?
[07:43] <zorda> do they make you work for MP3 in KDE as they do in Ubuntu?
[07:43] <Mandalf> I used kubuntu 6.06 from the release of it
[07:44] <Momal> hmm... well edgy wont update >_<
[07:44] <zorda> my methed is delete code untill it works
[07:44] <Momal> lots of un met packages then running the apt-get dist-update thingo again... just makes it say error(1) what ever that is :S
[07:45] <orkid__> why no jigdo DVDs?
[07:45] <zorda> so umm
[07:45] <linuxmigration> codeine: hi, this is jeremy
[07:45] <Philip5> Mandalf: not really but check your bios if you have something about how it setup dma
[07:45] <codeine> yo
[07:45] <zorda> will any one cositer mailing me a KND bootdisc?
[07:45] <linuxmigration> codeine: scrollback?
[07:45] <zorda> i cant get the iso
[07:46] <zorda> ill trade for a NT boot!
[07:46] <codeine> yep
[07:46] <codeine> there you are
[07:46] <zorda> Who wants to trade!??!?!
[07:46] <linuxmigration> codeine: didn't get it.  you must not be +e
[07:46] <zorda> KND boot for NT boot!
[07:47] <codeine> did anyone encounter any problem with Firefox 2.0 of Flock after installing the flash plugin with 6-10?
[07:47] <zorda> please...
[07:47] <Mandalf> Philip5: DMA is in bios?
[07:47] <zorda> WINDOWS XP PRO FOR KND!
[07:48] <zorda> come one people
[07:48] <Mandalf> Windows XP = Windows Xtra Problems
[07:48] <zorda> Yep Yep
[07:48] <zorda> But it playes the games!
[07:49] <zorda> And its super easy to lean and to hack!
[07:49] <zorda> pleae...
[07:49] <zorda> come one isnt any one here in usa?
[07:50] <zorda> please....
[07:51] <zorda> ill though in a "minds are like parchutes they only work open" bumper sticker!
[07:51] <zorda> And a 15 inch speaker!
[07:51] <zorda> no jk
[07:52] <Mandalf> time to go
[07:52] <Mandalf> have 3h math test
[07:52] <zorda> me?
[07:52] <zorda> pain
[07:52] <zorda> skip it
[07:52] <hammer> who has licq 1.3.4?
[07:52] <Mandalf> bye all
[07:52] <zorda> bye
[07:54] <zorda> DANM IT I NEED A KND BOOT!
[07:54] <zorda> ILL TRADE FOR WIN XP PRO!
[07:54] <zorda> come one it plays games...
[07:55] <zorda> the good ones...
[07:55] <canine_kouji> so, is 6.10 stable for kubuntu?
[07:56] <canine_kouji> I stupidly downloaded ubuntu on accident. I've forgotton GNOME stupidly included mono in the distribution
[07:56] <zorda> but gnome loves
[07:56] <linuxmigration> canine_kouji: apt-get remove mono?
[07:57] <canine_kouji> linuxmigration: mono isn't the only reason
[07:57] <canine_kouji> :P
[07:57] <gnac> 6.10 manual partitin install is complaining that I haven't selected root partition, when I have
[07:57] <canine_kouji> kwin is more advanced to where I use the window settings very seriously
[07:57] <canine_kouji> KDE ftw
[08:01] <zorda> man konversaion is bugged
[08:01] <zorda> why is that?
[08:01] <t3hwiz0rd-server> hahahahahaha omgggg... 3 horus of waiting for dist-upgrade and it fails on two packages
[08:01] <momal> Who has been able to update from dapper to edgy without problems and knows fair bit ????
[08:01] <t3hwiz0rd-server> the last two packages!
[08:02] <momal> For some reason i keep getting error about libuim3 trying to over write a file thats in another .deb file :S
[08:02] <t3hwiz0rd-server> momal: what type of "problems" are we discussinG?
[08:03] <t3hwiz0rd-server> momal: if you can broaden that for me
[08:03] <momal> apt-get -f install | says needs libuim3 or what ever | then running apt-get dist-upgrade | says it couln't be set up because of libuim3 trying to overwrite a file in another .deb file.
[08:04] <t3hwiz0rd-server> you really shouldn't force install stuff before you do some more research on it though man, that can be riiskky
[08:04] <momal> ubuntu guide said to do it
[08:04] <t3hwiz0rd-server> okay... that just sounds so risky
[08:04] <t3hwiz0rd-server> what is it you are installing?
[08:04] <momal> edgy from dapper
[08:04] <t3hwiz0rd-server> ah... hmmm
[08:04] <t3hwiz0rd-server> mine is installing right now, and i haven't noticed any errors, just warnings.
[08:04] <intelikey> !ubuntuguide
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <omar> hey Philip5 you still there?
[08:05] <intelikey> !ubuntu-guide
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <t3hwiz0rd-server> !ubuntu guide
[08:05] <momal> well its installed some pakages so i have half dapper and hald edgy so now im all back to console at the moment since kde is broken because of it
[08:05] <t3hwiz0rd-server> momal: i am doing it right now i'll see if i have anything go funny
[08:05] <larson9999> hedgy?
[08:05] <t3hwiz0rd-server> lol
[08:06] <t3hwiz0rd-server> i'd be more like Dredgy
[08:06] <intelikey> there was a factoid on that, i think, it said it's outdated don't follow it....  but i could have my howto's mixed up.
[08:06] <momal> its be more like doesn't work so my system is useless at the moment because of it
[08:06] <intelikey> !work
[08:06] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[08:07] <larson9999> this is the best release yet!
[08:07] <momal> acualy it does its sits on my desk it can't go on irc becuase its al screwed up
[08:07] <momal> so it doesn't work
[08:07] <larson9999> that line cracks me up.  if it's not the best release yet, why release?
[08:08] <zorda> some one tell me
[08:08] <momal> how can i get errors from apt-get into a file | >> doesn't seem to be working for the errrors
[08:08] <zorda> i need linux that does something
[08:08] <larson9999> i used to not work.  but, i finally got a job.  good thing.  my wife was getting tired of me on the couch all day
[08:08] <dude> hi momal
[08:08] <dude> hi guys
[08:08] <zorda> and that i dont note have to fight to use all of my info
[08:08] <zorda> am i out of luck?
[08:09] <larson9999> what's your problem zorda?
[08:09] <intelikey> larson9999 hehhe yeah each one is xX better than the one before but it seems odd to me that if you actually compare dapper to warty you don't see much improvement.....
[08:09] <zorda> i cant use any of my fliles and im geting pissed
[08:09] <zorda> and helll i cant even get mp3 to work
[08:10] <larson9999> intelikey: just once i'd like to see, "this release is a bit worse than the last but we figured, 'what the hey?' and released anyway."
[08:10] <intelikey> zorda that's because mp3 is not free
[08:10] <intelikey> larson9999 :)
[08:11] <zorda> intelikey:  i know but a check or a small instal whould be nice
[08:11] <larson9999> zorda: what are you using as an 'install guide'?
[08:11] <zorda> ubontus shit help
[08:11] <zorda> oh
[08:11] <zorda> crap this is FND isnt it
[08:11] <intelikey> !language
[08:11] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:11] <zorda> KND
[08:12] <larson9999> zorda new to linux?
[08:12] <intelikey> kde ?
[08:12] <zorda> very
[08:14] <intelikey> !kde
[08:14] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[08:15] <intelikey> !kubuntu
[08:15] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:16] <zorda> Oh KND is ubuntu with out gnome?
[08:16] <larson9999> zorda: i don't know about the rest here but i find the unofficial ubuntu guide to be the best guide for newbies who don't want to read a HUGE book to get started but yet need step by step instructions.  the thing is it's for ubuntu so there are a couple things that need to change like kdesu instead of gedit.  i recommend you use it.  if you like, even go with ubuntu instead of kubuntu so it's exactly what you want.  just my two cen
[08:16] <larson9999> ts.  there are others here who are 'smarter'.  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[08:17] <larson9999> it's exactly what you want = so the instructions match your distro exactly.
[08:17] <zorda> ah
[08:17] <zorda>  i mean i have no proble reading a book but...
[08:18] <zorda> that guid that ubuntu made was...
[08:18] <zorda> a monster
[08:18] <larson9999> zorda since you're new, my recommendation is you read and follow it from start to finish.  it's not that long really and will give you good insight for minimal reading.
[08:18] <zorda> ah ok
[08:18] <zorda> crap
[08:18] <zorda> im outdated
[08:18] <t3hwiz0rd-server> lol
[08:18] <zorda> i have draper
[08:19] <t3hwiz0rd-server> draper?
[08:19] <larson9999> zorda: well there is a dapper version of the same document
[08:19] <zorda> do i need edgy?
[08:19] <zorda> i see that but
[08:19] <t3hwiz0rd-server> you don't need edy
[08:19] <t3hwiz0rd-server> edgy
[08:19] <zorda> should i get edgy?
[08:19] <zorda> ok
[08:19] <zorda> is it buggy?
[08:19] <t3hwiz0rd-server> linux itself is buggy... how buggy depends on the individual really
[08:20] <larson9999> zorda: i don't think you need edgy.  it's not that but dapper was good and if you already have it and don't want to dl edgy.  anyway either way is fine if you ask me.
[08:20] <intelikey> zorda you might be better off using the dapper version, seeing that edgy just released today.
[08:20] <zorda> lol today?
[08:20] <zorda> then it is buggy
[08:20] <usamahashimi> hi all
[08:20] <larson9999> zorda: intelikey has a point there :)
[08:21] <intelikey> also daper is the LTS = long term support  release.
[08:21] <zorda> needs about a week for them to patch it up
[08:21] <nikon> dapper, for me, helped alot. i was a complete newb(still am in some areas) before i found ubuntu.
[08:21] <t3hwiz0rd-server> intelikey: theres really nothing wrong with upgrading though
[08:22] <t3hwiz0rd-server> intelikey: it can be risky but i'd hardly say that kubuntu team would release a broken OS
[08:22] <zorda> well i am a windows hacker but thats not going to help much here will it?
[08:22] <t3hwiz0rd-server> they're not suse for crying out loud
[08:22] <larson9999> install dapper and play with it for a while.  when you're more comforatable, upgrade
[08:22] <usamahashimi> when i try to connect to internet via kppp, it gives error; The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so(None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)
[08:22] <t3hwiz0rd-server> breezy was my first long-term debian distro
[08:22] <intelikey> a new release gets heavier usage the first few days and thus more bugs/querks/oddities are found the first week or two after release.
[08:22] <zorda> i have daper i got in the mail
[08:22] <larson9999> zorda: a good hack is a good hack.
[08:23] <momal> how can i get aptitude to use proxy???
[08:23] <zorda> larson9999:  then a bad hack am i
[08:23] <t3hwiz0rd-server> okay
[08:23] <t3hwiz0rd-server> i already know i am gonna have a problem with edgy
[08:23] <t3hwiz0rd-server> lol
[08:23] <hammer> usamahashimi: remove # in /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options
[08:24] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kdm failed on reboot een lol
[08:24] <nikon> why is that t3h??
[08:24] <nikon> nvm
[08:24] <t3hwiz0rd-server> though i probably just need to install the nvidia drivers.
[08:24] <t3hwiz0rd-server> i reckon.
[08:24] <t3hwiz0rd-server> or rather re-install
[08:24] <nikon> edgy dl just finnished
[08:24] <intelikey> t3hwiz0rd-server then i'd say you haven't followed the releases very closly.     example one the security updated that broke xorg about a month ago... example two the dapper final that couldn't boot from scsi drives... example three....
[08:25] <t3hwiz0rd-server> ohh wiat
[08:25] <t3hwiz0rd-server> X did work, just fine
[08:25] <t3hwiz0rd-server> intelikey: how bout them apples! no problems
[08:25] <zorda> whoa i can get realplayer?
[08:25] <nikon> yes
[08:25] <zorda> then any chance of winamp?
[08:25] <larson9999> zorda: you can get all that's in that doc :)
[08:26] <usamahashimi> hammer: can u explain, why i have to remove this file?
[08:26] <nikon> i dont know about winamp? can you
[08:26] <lotusleaf> zorda: re: winamp #winehq
[08:26] <hammer> usamahashimi: no =) i had the same problem and that helped =)
[08:26] <nikon> i rather uss amarok
[08:27] <larson9999> i think winamp is what drove me from windows!
[08:27] <en1gma> sup all
[08:27] <intelikey> t3hwiz0rd-server but i'm not against anyone using even the development version/s  i was just answering the question "do i need edgy, because i have dapper?"    short answer NO.   long answer already posted.
[08:27] <usamahashimi> hammer: oh thanks, if it does not help, is there anything else i can try?
[08:27] <t3hwiz0rd-server> intelikey: i agree
[08:27] <windwalker> Hi.
[08:27] <hammer> usamahashimi: yep
[08:28] <hammer> sudo pppconfig
[08:28] <zorda> ok i got anothe Q is there any way i can stop ubunto from having boot contol on my comp?
[08:28] <T3hWiz0rd> well
[08:28] <T3hWiz0rd> edgy does seem a bit more edy
[08:28] <T3hWiz0rd> edgy... eems to run smoother
[08:28] <hammer> usamahashimi: and then sudo pon provider || poff
[08:28] <en1gma> anyone know if 6.10 edgy can install to a "bios-raid" ( 4 sata drives in raid0 stripe) it has 2 partitions on it now (1 for windows and 1 for linux if it will install to is)
[08:28] <zorda> hmm
[08:29] <draik> I'mma downloading KUBUNTU EDGY EFT!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!
[08:29] <T3hWiz0rd> are there nvidia updates available too?
[08:29] <windwalker> Does anybody know in which file hotkeys per user are stored? I want to copy my shortcuts from one user to another
[08:29] <zorda> is luinus poor?
[08:29] <intelikey> zorda something has to manage what system boots.  if you only have one OS then choosing a boot loader is simple,  but to shorten the answer, there are options.
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> windwalker: what shortcuts?
[08:29] <T3hWiz0rd> because my nvidia drivers seem a bit... iunno... laggy?
[08:29] <momal> help someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file
[08:29] <T3hWiz0rd> like on window refreshing perhaps? say I drag a window over terminal and the text has to repopulate
[08:30] <windwalker> Admiral_Chicagohotkeys like alt+F2 for example
[08:30] <T3hWiz0rd> its not really smooth.
[08:30] <usamahashimi> hammer: what it will do?
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> windwalker: those are system wide
[08:30] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: any idea why it'd do that?
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> by default alt + f2 will bring run command in kubuntu
[08:30] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: its been doing it for a week or so now... just seemigly slow refresh response
[08:30] <draik> Everyone on Edgy, do you notice a difference in loading time than from Dapper?
[08:30] <windwalker> i though I can change if for a different user :(
[08:30] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: loading time as in boot-up?
[08:30] <zorda> Its faster?
[08:30] <nikon> much faster
[08:31] <T3hWiz0rd> my refresh rates seem to be poop though
[08:31] <intelikey> t3hwiz0rd using nv or nvidia propriatary ?
[08:31] <hammer> usamahashimi: pppconfig will create an account and pon account_name will connect you. poff will disconnect.
[08:31] <nikon> not a problem here
[08:31] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: nvidia
[08:31] <draik> yes T3hWiz0rd
[08:31] <zorda> so umm
[08:31] <en1gma> what about my Q
[08:31] <intelikey> then idk.
[08:31] <en1gma> anyone know if 6.10 edgy can install to a "bios-raid" ( 4 sata drives in raid0 stripe) it has 2 partitions on it now (1 for windows and 1 for linux if it will install to is)
[08:31] <zorda> can i change my ip leagly on this OS?
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> windwalker i think you can
[08:32] <windwalker> I am not speaking about ALT+F2 I want to change for example ctrl+shift+k to ctrl+space only for one user. Does this mean everyone will change keyboard layouts with ctrl+space from now on???
[08:32] <draik> zorda, what IP?
[08:32] <draik> zorda, world IP or network?
[08:32] <zorda> no
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on
[08:32] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: should i re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:32] <zorda> network
[08:32] <usamahashimi> hammer: thanks a lot
[08:32] <draik> You can as long as there isn't another computer using that IP, zorda
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> !shortcut > windwalker
[08:32] <hammer> usamahashimi: u r welcome =)
[08:33] <usamahashimi> hammer: can u tell me that how can i restart my sound server
[08:33] <windwalker> !shortcut
[08:33] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts (Gnome) or "input actions" in Kcontrol (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[08:33] <intelikey> zorda yes     and no.  you can't pirate the inet but you can use any ip that is not reserved        afaik
[08:33] <en1gma> what about my Q
[08:33] <zorda> so how can i find out if no ones using it?
[08:33] <hammer> usamahashimi: hmmm... killall artsd =)
[08:33] <draik> windwalker, I use keytouch and it works great
[08:34] <windwalker> I will read about this. 10x. I just thought this is a file in every user's directory :(
[08:34] <usamahashimi> hammer: will it stop or restart (i think stop only :)
[08:34] <zorda> man my bro was right this is a hack boxleagla changing ips YES!
[08:34] <draik> zorda, type         ping -c 4 123.456.789.xxx
[08:34] <draik> ping that IP address that you want
[08:34] <draik> if it's responding, its taken
[08:34] <zorda> ping -c 4 123.456.789.xxx
[08:34] <intelikey> there are netblocks reserved.  you need to research that issue.  before you waid off into it to deep.
[08:35] <hammer> usamahashimi: it should start then automatically =)
[08:35] <zorda>          ping -c 4 123.456.789.xxx
[08:35] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: ahh much better
[08:35] <draik> zorda, type that in a konsole window
[08:35] <usamahashimi> hammer: hmm, lemme check
[08:35] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: rerunning the xserver-xorg reconfigure made a good difference
[08:35] <intelikey> one example 196.*.*.* is reserved
[08:35] <zorda> kay
[08:35] <draik> but change the numbers to reflect the IP address that you want
[08:36] <hammer> usamahashimi: or just go to System Settings -> Sound & Multimedia change there anything twice and apply
[08:36] <usamahashimi> hammer: thanks
[08:36] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd i bet it set it to use nv in place of nvidia  but i could be wrong     grep -ie nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:36] <draik> :(  no peers for the DVD torrent
[08:36] <zorda> Hmm i got ping: unknown host 123.456.789.xxx
[08:36] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: i reran the configure and its working nicely now.
[08:36] <en1gma> us ut possible to have a dual boot usb thumb drive
[08:36] <zorda> that means its taken right?
[08:36] <draik> zorda, change those numbers to the IP address that you want
[08:37] <charlie5> hi, is there a way to make view filers in kde permanent (for ignoring .o, etc files)
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[08:37] <en1gma> us ut possible to have a dual boot usb thumb drive
[08:37] <nikon> time to install edgy be back. muahahaha
[08:37] <larson9999> en1gma: shouuld be.  i haven't tried but i'm going to sometime this week.
[08:37] <usamahashimi> hammer: now, after using gnome for many months, i switched to kde
[08:38] <hammer> usamahashimi: my congratulations =)
[08:38] <en1gma> i was thinking bout getting a thumbdrive but if i gonna dual boot i need to make sure i get a big one
[08:38] <intelikey> charlie5 what's wrong with     menu itom " save profile "
[08:38] <hammer> usamahashimi: and what d'u think about it?
[08:38] <T3hWiz0rd> is there a way to add the most common used programs field in the kmenu on kubuntu?
[08:39] <orkid__> i wouldn't use a usb stick as ahard disk. flash wears out
[08:39] <draik> Is it faster to download the ISO?
[08:39] <n3storm> goodmorning
[08:39] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd right click on the task bar and set the menu to display the 5 most frequently used
[08:39] <usamahashimi> hammer: gnome is too simple, u can not configure it according to ur needs, although its speedy but it sucks
[08:39] <draik> rather than from the torrent?
[08:39] <intelikey> or 10
[08:39] <intelikey> pick a number
[08:39] <zorda> hmm im sure there is a prog somewhere to do about 1000 pings at a time..
[08:40] <charlie5> intelikey: hopefully nothing ... thanks ... i didn't realise that would save view filters ... sorry, i shoulda tried it
[08:40] <n3storm> I can't dist-upgrade because a package is not being removed
[08:40] <draik> zorda, change the command from 4 to 1000
[08:40] <n3storm> is not a kubuntu package
[08:40] <n3storm> how may I force the removal?
[08:40] <n3storm> apt-get says a file is missing from the package
[08:40] <intelikey> charlie5 don't appologize to me, i was just guessing.  i havent seen kde in quite some time.
[08:41] <hammer> usamahashimi: i'd never actually used gnome =)
[08:41] <T3hWiz0rd> k sweet thanks
[08:41] <n3storm> "/var/lib/dpkg/info/spring-basedata.postrm: line 23: spring-modupdate: order not found"
[08:41] <zorda> draik:  what?
[08:41] <draik> zorda what IP address do you want on your network?
[08:41] <T3hWiz0rd> alright...
[08:42] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: i am sure there are bugs, but edgy is certainly going to be a leaps and bounds for kubuntu.
[08:42] <sheft> hello, i downloaded a .deb-file, how do i install it?
[08:42] <charlie5> intelikey: ok, i'll try it anyhows
[08:42] <hammer> !dpkg
[08:42] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[08:42] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd great. good to hear it.
[08:42] <cpk2> argh ubuntu.come/download redirects to that crappy download page now?!?!
[08:42] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: i think its safe to say it just whomped suse lol
[08:42] <intelikey> :)
[08:42] <zorda> Draik i need a bunch
[08:43] <draik> ???
[08:43] <draik> I thought you wanted to change your IP address on the network
[08:43] <hammer> sheft: or just right-click =)
[08:43] <intelikey> i would still be using mandrake 9 if it was still supported.....    @ T3hWiz0rd   :)
[08:43] <usamahashimi> hammer: a person used to use kde can never ever like gnome (as he like customization), the gnome developers want u to use gnome according to their wills
[08:43] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: lol you are your internal zealotism :-P
[08:43] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: i never did try mandrake.
[08:43] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: maybe one day...
[08:44] <larson9999> lol@intelikey.
[08:44] <intelikey> when it changed to mandriva it kinda lost me......
[08:44] <T3hWiz0rd> why? name too fruity?
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[08:44] <T3hWiz0rd> lol...
[08:44] <larson9999> intelikey: well most of the versions after 9 were 'the best release ever'
[08:45] <draik> from anyone reading this, does anyone know what zorda was trying to do?
[08:45] <intelikey> yeah that and the french really showed their general contempt for "su"  about the same time.  that might have had some affect.
[08:45] <zorda> thanks for all the help though
[08:45] <zorda> no i dont know
[08:45] <zorda> jusr bing stupid
[08:46] <zorda> trying to find how to change my ip
[08:46] <intelikey> larson9999 absoposalutely    :)
[08:46] <zorda> but i was too stupid to keep it going
[08:46] <larson9999> intelikey: actually, i was thinking about giving 2007 a go.  the inclusion of the 'wine' stuff almost made me give it a go.
[08:46] <zorda> im sorry
[08:46] <zorda> hmm
[08:46] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmmf
[08:46] <greg> hi everybody
[08:46] <draik> sorry zorda, I think I may have misunderstood your needs
[08:46] <intelikey> larson9999 i would if i could dl it at more than 4k/sec
[08:47] <zorda> i think i have advansed to script kiddy couse i atcly came and admited i was stupid ans i was sorry
[08:47] <zorda> No its my fault im a compleat dumb ass
[08:47] <zorda> sorry
[08:47] <zorda> Dumb arse
[08:48] <T3hWiz0rd> gaim 2 beta? how risky...
[08:48] <momal> apt-get -f install | says needs libuim3 or what ever | then running apt-get dist-upgrade | says it couln't be set up because of libuim3 trying to overwrite a file in another .deb file.
[08:48] <zorda> lol
[08:48] <momal> help someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file
[08:48] <larson9999> intelikey: i used mdk from about 1998 until about 6 months ago.  i think i'll stick with *buntu for a while.  actually, i really like xubuntu.
[08:48] <draik> It's ok zorda. If you tell me exactly what you want to do I can walk you through it
[08:49] <zorda> really?
[08:49] <zorda> i just wanted to change my ip
[08:49] <intelikey> yeah xub is nice
[08:49] <draik> zorda, are you running Dapper or Edgy?
[08:49] <zorda> Dapper
[08:49] <draik> Ok
[08:50] <draik> Go to K Menu > System Settings > Network Settings
[08:50] <intelikey> larson9999 i'm in a or several consoles about 98% of the time so linux is linux from this perspective.   minor differances in package/management is about it.
[08:51] <zorda> i shuld have a box with pics of ether net cards right?
[08:51] <draik> yup
[08:51] <draik> eth0 is the specific one you should be looking at
[08:51] <draik> enter Admin Mode
[08:51] <zorda> Well i am learning how to conver KND to ubunto!
[08:51] <usamahashimi> why there is no shipment of free cds of [k] ubuntu 6.10?
[08:52] <zorda> ok
[08:52] <zorda> there
[08:52] <larson9999> intelikey: i'm in the gui a lot and i tend to feel the same way :)  and ubuntu has the better philosphy imho
[08:52] <zorda> omfg
[08:52] <draik> double click on the eth0 line and then change it to manual and set the IP you want
[08:52] <zorda> draik am i seeing what i think i am seeing?
[08:53] <draik> depends, what are you seeing?
[08:53] <zorda> i can make my own stadic...
[08:53] <draik> yup
[08:53] <larson9999> zorda: are you pickturing me in a thong?
[08:53] <draik> that's what you're going to do
[08:53] <draik> larson9999, I'm picturing you next to a few empty beers right now :)
[08:53] <zorda> larson9999:  Why Yes, I am
[08:53] <larson9999> draik: not bad.
[08:54] <draik> LOL
[08:54] <larson9999> zorda: you're system is more messed up than i thought
[08:54] <ubuntu> if i just format my root partition and install will that screw with my /home in anyway??
[08:54] <zorda> No
[08:54] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[08:55] <zorda> Im just stright
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> the poor edgy repos are being molested
[08:55] <zorda> You sre high
[08:55] <cpk2> usamahashimi: I think they are only doing shipit for LTS releases
[08:55] <zorda> Know put away the durgs for i crak a i beam on your head
[08:55] <intelikey> ok i think i'll configure a kernel right quick    have another off net box that does some hoop jumping... later fellas and gals
[08:56] <zorda> draik: Do you know a prog for pinging ips?
[08:56] <larson9999> ubuntu during the install there is a place to tell it which partitions to format.
[08:56] <draik> yes, it's called           ping
[08:57] <larson9999> how about ping?
[08:57] <zorda> I mean like 100 at a time
[08:57] <zorda> or 10000000 of em
[08:57] <draik> if you know the IP you want to ping, just type              ping -c (# of pings you want to do) Their.Own.IP.Address
[08:58] <zorda> And if i dont?
[08:58] <draik> then you can't
[08:58] <draik> If you don't know you're friend's house, how do you know what door to knock on?
[08:58] <zorda> So i fumble in the dark typing out ping -c 345,654.545 i milion times?
[08:59] <draik> no
[08:59] <larson9999> zorda what's the point of pinging a million times?
[08:59] <draik> ping -c 4 192.168.0.1
[08:59] <zorda> I mean a million diffrent pings
[08:59] <zorda> othough
[08:59] <usamahashimi> cpk2: hmm, it means dialup users like me now have some hard time!
[08:59] <larson9999> zorda what's the point of pinging a million different pings?
[08:59] <zorda> that might be a way to piss some one off
[08:59] <draik> larson9999, sounds like zorda here wants to DoS a system
[09:00] <zorda> To find out whitch are taken
[09:00] <draik> Ping of Death
[09:00] <zorda> No
[09:00] <larson9999> draik: that's what i was thinking.
[09:00] <draik> Hey zorda, what's your IP?
[09:00] <larson9999> but i'm a network dummy.
[09:00] <draik> your network IP
[09:00] <zorda> I want to find out whitch are taken and whitch are not
[09:00] <zorda> WHAT
[09:00] <zorda> THAT ALL PING OF DEAHT IS!>!>
[09:00] <draik> What is your network IP?
[09:00] <zorda> danm
[09:00] <zorda> umm
[09:01] <zorda> Where do i find this ins Ubunto?
[09:01] <zorda> i know in windows ut
[09:01] <draik> find what/
[09:01] <draik> ?
[09:01] <zorda> network ip
[09:02] <draik> ifconfig
[09:02] <draik> just type that in konsole
[09:02] <zorda> in komand?
[09:02] <zorda> ok
[09:03] <zorda> 192.168.1.100
[09:03] <zorda> that me
[09:03] <draik> ok
[09:03] <draik> so then type this
[09:03] <draik> ping 192.168.1.100
[09:03] <cpk2> usamahashimi: I dont know I am willing to bet you might find people who might want to ship you a dvd if you are in their region =)
[09:04] <zorda> lol
[09:04] <zorda> i ping of deathed my slef right?
[09:05] <draik> why not? You want to harm someone else?
[09:05] <zorda> no
[09:05] <zorda> i wanted to find a open ip
[09:05] <draik> so what's with the million pings?
[09:05] <zorda> to ping a millon difrent ips
[09:05] <draik> who is the netadmin at your place?
[09:06] <zorda> my self
[09:06] <zorda> lol
[09:06] <ubuntu> haalo@ all. i have bought me some weeks ago a core 2 duo e6700! my new board support 64bit? what for a version of kubuntu i have to use? the 32bit version or the 64? does the 64 version support core2 duo,(because there written amd64 & xeon. please help me
[09:06] <draik> and you don't know which ones are taken???
[09:06] <sF|Xemanth> has anybody done dapper -> edgy apt dist-upgrade ? will i get major probs ?
[09:06] <zorda> look
[09:06] <zorda> im loking at worldwide
[09:06] <zorda> so i can find a new ip
[09:06] <draik> world IP or for your network?
[09:06] <zorda> no
[09:07] <zorda> my own rouder / cable modam deal
[09:07] <momal> sF|Xemanth: yes i did it and now my whole box is screwed.. so don't do it
[09:07] <draik> 2 diff things
[09:07] <draik> your modem IP or your router IP?
[09:07] <sF|Xemanth> momal: :D
[09:07] <momal> help someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file
[09:07] <zorda> hmm modem seems smarter
[09:07] <sF|Xemanth> momal: you had kde 355 in your dapper ?
[09:08] <draik> momal, have you tried aptitude?
[09:08] <draik> zorda, then call your ISP
[09:08] <zorda> Thats all i can do?
[09:08] <momal> yup aptitude just goes through some more but same prob at the end
[09:08] <zorda> do that im scared i want a stadic ip thing?
[09:08] <momal> and sF: yea i had kde 355
[09:08] <zorda> i heard that works
[09:09] <ubuntu> can sombody give me an advice 64-bit or 32bit version of kubuntu? (core 2 duo e6700 & gigabyte dq6
[09:09] <draik> then pay more $$$ to your ISP and they will give you a static IP
[09:09] <sF|Xemanth> momal: huh
[09:09] <zorda> but murdocks going to buy my ass
[09:09] <momal> sF: I had kde 3.5.5 installed in dapper... thats what you asked
[09:10] <zorda> arse sorry
[09:10] <zorda> Murder dock
[09:10] <zorda> ill call him that
[09:10] <momal> how can i set eth0 to goto dchp via console?
[09:11] <Basic_py> if I setup a ubuntu package archive mirror, is that the same packages for kubuntu or do I need to setup a kubuntu package archive mirror too?
[09:11] <draik> momal, I don't know about konsole, but I can help you through GUI if available
[09:12] <sF|Xemanth> momal: i'm wondering that will same happen to me if i do edgy upgrade :|
[09:12] <momal> can't dont' have any gui at all since it all broke trying to go to edgy
[09:12] <zorda> well thanks a bunch for the hacking lessons draik
[09:12] <draik> hacking???
[09:12] <draik> yeah.......ok
[09:12] <zorda> lol you tought me ping of death
[09:12] <T3hWiz0rd> well that was interesting... lol
[09:12] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: but know something thats more interesting? my cucumber melon lotion :-) lol
[09:12] <draik> you're telling me T3hWiz0rd
[09:12] <teflon> hi
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: you 1337 h4x0r you
[09:13] <draik> LOL
[09:13] <zorda> hmm
[09:13] <draik> T3hWiz0rd: and don't you forget it!
[09:13] <draik> LMAO
[09:13] <elfstone> hello
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: lol *puts it in his boot log so he doesn't forget*
[09:13] <teflon> Errhttp://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages
[09:13] <teflon>   404 Not Found
[09:13] <teflon> I keep getting that error
[09:13] <zorda> ONLY OLD HACKERS CAN USE WISARD!
[09:13] <teflon> can someone give me the real url?
[09:13] <draik> T3hWiz0rd: Thank you, much appreciated
[09:13] <Hobbsee> teflon: why are you using that anyway?
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> shouldn't be a / after edgy i don't think lol
[09:13] <Hobbsee> !repos
[09:13] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:13] <teflon> I'm trying to update to edgy
[09:13] <elfstone> does anyone have ubuntu 6.10 and nvidia-glx-legacy drivers installed?
[09:13] <zorda> LIKE 80s DAYS!
[09:14] <teflon> !repos
[09:14] <T3hWiz0rd> teflon: are they giving you some problems?
[09:14] <T3hWiz0rd> !sources
[09:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:14] <teflon> well I don't know if I'm missing packages because I can't access that url
[09:15] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: well mr. 1337 h4x0r
[09:15] <T3hWiz0rd> draik: *snicker* i am gonna go get a coffee real fast.
[09:15] <teflon> yeah I know how to add them but the intructions on kubuntu's website say that I should just og to the /etc/apt/sources and change all dapper words to edgy
[09:15] <draik> T3hWiz0rd: and I'm going to get some sleep soon
[09:15] <T3hWiz0rd> sleep
[09:15] <T3hWiz0rd> YOU'RE NO HACKER! POSER!
[09:15] <zorda> hey does sudo s work in ubunto?
[09:16] <teflon> the sudo command?
[09:16] <zorda> yea
[09:16] <teflon> yes that does work
[09:16] <zorda> i cant use it
[09:16] <zorda> i cant type my pass owrd
[09:16] <zorda> it was password but
[09:16] <teflon> try installing it from the package manager
[09:16] <zorda> says
[09:16] <T3hWiz0rd> errrrr I really need to change the colours in irssi
[09:16] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[09:17] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone know how to though?
[09:17] <teflon> what should I do then to update guys?
[09:17] <teflon> no?
[09:19] <teflon> what is this !sources thing? why the question mark?
[09:19] <zorda> becouse its late and things look wierd with your eyes sqinted
[09:20] <teflon> lol sorry it is a bad time
[09:20] <zorda> ok
[09:20] <zorda> sorry
[09:20] <teflon> well I need to go anyway I'll ask later on
[09:20] <teflon> np
[09:20] <tristan> hello all
[09:20] <teflon> I'm sure I will find the answer anyways
[09:20] <zorda> Hi TRSITAN!
[09:21] <teflon> but can anyone tell me if I can leave sudo apt-get dist-update will it install all the packages automatically or wait for a prompt?
[09:21] <tristan> I have a small question regarding upgrade (I have not done it yet). If I carefully look at the how to upgrade i see I have to reinstall kubuntu desktop. Will it erase my previous settings?
[09:21] <MasterEvilAce> !w32codecs
[09:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:22] <zorda> me so tired
[09:22] <tristan> andersgo, I also have a gnome desktop, do I have to do anything else to upgrade that part
[09:22] <momal> Can someone tell me how do I remove everything from my system expect the bear minimun then how to reinstall all edgy stuff for kubuntu-desktop ???
[09:23] <zorda> boot the cd
[09:24] <zorda> i will CRACK LESTAI!
[09:26] <zorda> draik:  so if i change my rouders ip ill still be sending with the modams ip right?
[09:27] <cpk2> momal: err why?
[09:27] <draik> right
[09:27] <zorda> And it is proably really ileagal to hack my cable modam
[09:28] <zorda> And im afrade of the big house....
[09:28] <morghanphoenix> Anybody know if either ext3 or fat32 has problems with saving large files, I'm having a massive slow down whenever I go above 200MB on a copy.
[09:28] <zorda> FAT does
[09:28] <lotusleaf> Where are the md5sums for: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/dvd/
[09:28] <zorda> i think
[09:28] <cpk2> hrmm well i think ext3 has problems around 4tB or somesuch
[09:28] <morghanphoenix> Anything under 200MB is almost instant, above that I'm moving at 100KB/s
[09:28] <cpk2> so try not to go above that
[09:29] <momal> help someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file
[09:29] <morghanphoenix> It's my portable drive, needs to keep windows compatability.
[09:29] <lotusleaf> nevermind, this link is better and has md5sums: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/6.10/release/
[09:30] <morghanphoenix> Only issue I've seen with ext3 is it's pretty slow on deleting files.
[09:30] <lotusleaf> the kubuntu.org download page should just link to the latter link I posted rather than the former
[09:30] <lotusleaf> or put the md5sums in the bittorrent directory at least =)
[09:31] <morghanphoenix> As soon as I get all this stuff off the hard drive I'm going to edgy, want to make double sure nothing goes wrong that costs me my files.
[09:32] <morghanphoenix> Fat32 definatly works better than ntfs did.
[09:32] <momal> can anyone tell me how to get the output from apt-get into a file so i can get a copy of the errors
[09:33] <morghanphoenix> Followed all instructions for ntfs compatability and still had massive amounts of data loss, thankfully it was mostly limited to jpgs and mp3s of which I had decents backups.
[09:34] <momal> help someone????? need to know how to upgrade to edgy via dapper... seems dist-upgrade broke everything | it seems to be wanting something with libuim3 but trying to install that says it wants to overwrite a file in another .deb file
[09:34] <morghanphoenix> there's an upgrade script
[09:34] <teledyn> !upgrade
[09:34] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[09:34] <morghanphoenix> At least I think it's a script
[09:35] <momal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades <-- yea thats what i used and it screwed it all up
[09:35] <momal> can anyone tell me how to get the output from apt-get into a file so i can get a copy of the errors
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> you should use kdesu "update-manager -c -d"
[09:36] <teledyn> momal: try to uninstall the conflicting package temporarily and reinstall later, or else temporarily move the conflicting file to a different location
[09:37] <momal> I have no gui at moment all back to console... umm can't ever time i run apt-get it says about packages and says to run apt-get -f install so i do then it doens't want to install it....
[09:37] <momal> do you know how to get the output from apt-get to a file? then i can upload it and show you what it is doing
[09:38] <teledyn> apt-get 2>&1 |tee apt-get .log
[09:41] <Tanooki> Hey, is anyone else getting a "no root filesystem" error when trying to install 6.10?
[09:42] <teledyn> Tanooki: did you select/create one during the install?
[09:42] <momal> http://teammid.net/aptget.txt <-- thats what happens when i run apt-get -f install | i'll get the log from apt-get dist-upgrade now
[09:43] <morghanphoenix> How do you move a full directory to a root only access area?
[09:43] <jeh> hey folks
[09:43] <teledyn> momal: as i said before...
[09:43] <TheFuzzball> hello, I have just downloaded Kubuntu Edgy Alternate install CD and when I boot from it my keyboard doesn't work in text mode
[09:43] <jeh> edgy is really, really nice!
[09:43] <TheFuzzball> how can I fix?
[09:43] <Lynoure> morghanphoenix: you do not need to move it
[09:43] <ubuntu> elo
[09:43] <Tanooki> Yes.  I already had partitions because I had Suse on there.  That didn't work so I wiped the disk (there wasn't anything important on it) and created new partitions.  Still got the error.
[09:43] <ubuntu__> gruszczyn jestes
[09:43] <teledyn> morghanphoenix: just change the perms on it with chmod/chown
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> momal: try sudo dpkg-regonfigure xserver-xorg
[09:43] <Lynoure> morghanphoenix: you can just change the permissions
[09:43] <ubuntu> cmilu pakostrzale :P
[09:43] <ubuntu__> huj ci w dupe
[09:43] <Rajah3000> what's the best file sharing GUI; if any for kubuntu?
[09:43] <draik> Goodnight all...
[09:44] <JAG> fucking SOISK
[09:44] <TheFuzzball> Rajah3000, Limewire
[09:44] <morghanphoenix> I'm trying to drop all my themes and wallpapers with the rest of them, right now they're in my home and I want to free up space by moving them to the root partition.
[09:44] <Jarcio> marcin
[09:44] <Jarcio> zaraz masz kape
[09:44] <Rajah3000> Word!...Ok, I was using gtk-gnutella on Ubuntu, but I'll try it out:-)
[09:45] <teledyn> Admiral_Chicago: wtf does that have to do at all with his problem????
[09:45] <Jarcio> grusczynski wylacz tego chata !!! zaraz masz jedynke z pracy na lekcji !!!
[09:45] <Lynoure> !pl
[09:45] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:45] <teledyn> !pl |Jarcio
[09:45] <ubotu> Jarcio: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> teledyn: i assumed that may be part of the problem
[09:45] <Jarcio> jebie wasza pomoc
[09:45] <JAG> panowie
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> as he can't launch X
[09:46] <Jarcio> pierdole was jebane boty
[09:46] <teledyn> Admiral_Chicago: and your assumption was completely off
[09:46] <JAG> jaka jest komenda do czyszczenia ekranu w konsoli??
[09:46] <TheFuzzball> anyway, How and I fix my keyboard problem
[09:46] <TheFuzzball> ?
[09:46] <teledyn> Admiral_Chicago: don't tell people to do things based on loose assumptions
[09:46] <momal> xorg don't even exist at the moment since the dis-upgrade never completed... umm moving those files doesn't do anything
[09:47] <teledyn> momal: i wrote and told you what to do 5 minutes ago
[09:47] <Jarcio> nic dla ciebie patafianie
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> try sudo aptitude purge libuim3
[09:48] <Jarcio> hi my name's jarcio I'm looking for frends
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> momal: try that command
[09:48] <teledyn> Admiral_Chicago: no!
[09:48] <Jarcio> momal
[09:49] <JAG> chuj wam w dupe
[09:49] <Tanooki> teledyn: Yes.  I already had partitions because I had Suse on there.  I intended to simply overwrite it.  That didn't work so I wiped the disk (there wasn't anything important on it) and created new partitions.  Still got the error.
[09:49] <JAG> WINDOWS RULEZZ :P
[09:49] <JAG> d
[09:49] <JAG> d
[09:49] <JAG> d
[09:49] <JAG> d
[09:49] <JAG> d
[09:49] <JAG> d
[09:49] <teledyn> either temporarily move those 2 files or try to remove libuim0
[09:50] <TheFuzzball> JAG, windows are very necesary :)
[09:50] <morghanphoenix> Tell that to my girlfriend's still patching XP box, I started updating it around noon, it's 13 hours later.
[09:50] <momal> doesn't work anyway
[09:50] <TheFuzzball> lol
[09:50] <momal> http://teammid.net/aptitude.txt
[09:50] <teledyn> Tanooki: you created the partitions but did you assign the mount point /  to one of them?
[09:51] <TheFuzzball> can someone help me with the Kubuntu 6.10 installer please??
[09:51] <Tanooki> Yes.  At the "Prepare mount points" dialog I assigned one of them to /
[09:51] <teledyn> momal: are you going to just keep ignoring me?
[09:51] <TheFuzzball> the keyboard doesn't work when I try to install
[09:51] <teledyn> fine, I will just put you on ignore
[09:52] <momal> i tried dpkg-reconfigure
[09:52] <momal> i said xorg isn't even on
[09:52] <Tanooki> teledyn:  I press "Continue" and the error pops up.
[09:52] <momal> thats all you said and to move the files... i tried that
[09:52] <momal> i tried removing the package and doesn't work
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> momal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bug/62211
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> there is no resolution yet
[09:53] <teledyn> momal: you moved the files?
[09:53] <momal> i moved the files it was trying to over write i moved the .deb files
[09:53] <momal> still same errors
[09:53] <ziabice> hi!
[09:53] <teledyn> momal: what is this then?  "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo', which is also in package libuim0"
[09:54] <momal> yea i removed that file and it still shows
[09:54] <teledyn> momal: if you do ls -la /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo', which is also in package libuim0  what does it show?
[09:54] <teledyn> oops
[09:55] <teledyn> momal: if you do ls -la /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo'  what does it show?
[09:55] <teledyn> momal: if you do ls -la /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/uim.mo
[09:55] <momal> nothing
[09:55] <momal> doesn't exist
[09:56] <momal> file isn't there
[09:56] <teledyn> Tanooki: if you go into a shell and type 'mount' do you see the target for the installer mounted?
[09:56] <arnau> Hello. Somebody can help me about printers configuration?
[09:56] <teledyn> momal: what about   dpkg -P libuim0
[09:56] <momal> admiral_chicago: then how can i not use uim?? and use kubuntu ?
[09:56] <Tanooki> teledyn: nope
[09:57] <teledyn> Tanooki: i'm not sure what's going on.  you should see the the target partition mounted somewhere
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm i'm researching now
[09:58] <the-erm> Is there a special way to upgrade kubuntu?
[09:58] <teledyn> momal: is this blocking your whole upgrade, or just the installation of these packages?
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems like it is critical to X as it is an input library
[09:58] <Tanooki> teledyn:  there's no /dev/hda anything mounted.
[09:58] <teledyn> !upgrade |the-erm
[09:58] <ubotu> the-erm: For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[09:58] <momal> ok seemed that did it now i have to figure out what has been installed and what hasn't >_<
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> momal: i'd sign up to the launchpad site, report the bug and follow the change log
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bug/62211 i've already edited slightly
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> you may want to show ways to duplicate the bug
[10:00] <teledyn> Tanooki: what is the output of mount?  can you paste it in #flood?
[10:01] <jeh> does kubuntu have a package search function? i need a package that has /usr/include/linux/string.h
[10:01] <teledyn> jeh: apt-file
[10:01] <jeh> teledyn: ah, of course. thanks
[10:02] <teledyn> jeh: that is a package content search function.  apt-cache will search for packages
[10:02] <jeh> teledyn: yes, i need just that
[10:02] <jeh> on my debian that file is in the kernel-headers package, but not on edgy
[10:03] <Admiral_Chicago> jeh apt-cache search
[10:03] <Rajah3000> does anyone know what in Kubuntu you would open a '.run' file in?
[10:03] <teledyn> Admiral_Chicago: that will not find a file in a package.
[10:03] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i need to read closer
[10:03] <Admiral_Chicago> it's 3 in the morning here
[10:03] <teledyn> Admiral_Chicago: i know you want to be helpful and all, but you're advice to people is crap.
[10:04] <Admiral_Chicago> teledyn: not usually i'm just really tired
[10:04] <teledyn> ok
[10:04] <jeh> Admiral_Chicago: "apt-cache search /my/missing/file"?
[10:04] <Jarcio> :)
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> jeh: no that searches your sources.list
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> your repos
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> see, tired
[10:05] <jeh> :)
[10:05] <the-erm> teledyn: thanks for the info.
[10:05] <jeh> debian has this site where you can do just this, packages.debian.org
[10:06] <teledyn> jeh: i explained what to use
[10:07] <Tanooki> teledyn: pasted it
[10:07] <teledyn> Tanooki: its definitely not mounted at all.  something went wrong with the installer.  maybe try a different CD
[10:08] <teledyn> Tanooki: are you trying to do anything unusual with the filesystem?
[10:08] <chakie_work> teledyn: sorry, i must be a bit thick
[10:09] <Tanooki> teledyn:  I don't think so.  I want an 80MB /boot with ext2, a 640MB swap, and a the rest of the disk, 11GB, to be / and also ext2
[10:09] <teledyn> Tanooki: also, i think you can see the output of the installer on one of the VTs  - try ctrl-alt-[F1|F2|F3]  and see if there log output from the installer which might help you debug it
[10:11] <teledyn> Tanooki: and is it a standard IDE controller?  is it perhaps a strange model or really new?
[10:11] <rohan> are there any known edgy problems ?! since everytime i use the kubuntu 6.10 live cd, i get a message on the desktop "Kdesktop: The protocol for thee file application died unexpectedly." and my desktop is completely blank, no install or examples icon either !
[10:12] <teledyn> rohan: see /topic for known problems
[10:12] <rohan> teledyn: yes, i did see there are no known problems
[10:12] <rohan> then is it a bug in konqi ?
[10:12] <rohan> *kubuntu
[10:13] <rohan> and, none of the vt's are working ! they are just displaying some wildly scrolling garble
[10:13] <Tanooki> No, It's an intel 440BX i think... the machine is a Toshiab Tecra 8100.  Fairly standard PIII type machine.
[10:13] <rohan> some green blocks
[10:14] <momal> http://teammid.net/aptgetkubuntu.txt <-- :S help
[10:14] <T3hWiz0rd> soo much smoother
[10:14] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: :P
[10:14] <chakie_work> hm, no package contains /usr/include/linux/string.h. can this be true?
[10:14] <rohan> it is ? :P
[10:14] <T3hWiz0rd> zomg! its rohan!
[10:14] <rohan> it has so many goddman problems !
[10:14] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: ;)
[10:14] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: i haven't had a single issue yet.
[10:15] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: there are icons on the desktop ?
[10:15] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: what issues did you have?
[10:15] <rohan> 11:13 < rohan> and, none of the vt's are working ! they are just displaying some wildly scrolling garble
[10:15] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: yeah, but i disabled icons after i reconfigured kde
[10:16] <chakie_work> but /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h includes /usr/include/linux/string.h. something is now a bit broken
[10:16] <rohan> i mean, there were examples and install icons ?
[10:16] <teledyn> Tanooki: hmm very odd
[10:16] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: everything worked fine...
[10:16] <momal> kubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed
[10:17] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: but i upgraded from a dapper install
[10:17] <momal> E: broken packages >_<
[10:17] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: ah
[10:17] <teledyn> Tanooki: i'd try another CD.
[10:17] <T3hWiz0rd> momal: i am beginning to think kubuntu simply hates you.
[10:17] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: remember to checksum your CD's before you burn them and install from them.
[10:17] <momal> worked before edgy came along >_<
[10:17] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: the iso's you mean ? :P
[10:18] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: yup
[10:18] <Electrolyte> Has anyone else got a problem with fglrx on Edgy?
[10:18] <Electrolyte> A friend of mine and me can't get it to work.
[10:18] <Electrolyte> We've lost all 3D acceleration :/
[10:21] <chakie_work> darn, i can't develop on this system, the kernel/libc headers are broken
[10:22] <chakie_work> /usr/include/asm/io.h refers to non-existing files
[10:23] <momal> seemed i isntalled 1 lib file and xorg wants to isntall now... lol! gotta love the message "If we screw something up, restore it" that was what it said when it backed up my xorg.conf file
[10:23] <yacoob> why is that, Electrolyte?
[10:24] <GNAM> auauua Freespire
[10:25] <morghanphoenix> fglrx works fine on dapper
[10:25] <momal> ls
[10:25] <Electrolyte> yacoob - Freespire works out of the box.
[10:26] <lotusleaf> Electrolyte: Freespire went in my garbage box
[10:26] <chakie_work> can someone check wether their edgy has a /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h and wether it #includes a linux/string.h file?
[10:26] <morghanphoenix> I really don't see much in the listed changes between 6.06 & 6.10 that seems interesting.
[10:26] <Electrolyte> I've lost all 3D acceleration and tons of configurations are broken thanks to the upgrade.
[10:26] <Electrolyte> I can't even burn the Edgy ISO to disc because I don't have a disc that's large enough :/
[10:26] <morghanphoenix> I though it was under 700
[10:27] <Electrolyte> And like I said last night, I lost 4 RAM sticks after the upgrade.
[10:27] <lotusleaf> Electrolyte: when I installed Freespire, my computer exploded
[10:27] <Electrolyte> When I upgraded to Edgy, I lost 2GB RAM.
[10:27] <morghanphoenix> Lost RAM sticks?
[10:27] <lotusleaf> Electrolyte: I'm still picking pieces out of the wall
[10:27] <intelikey> don't fiddle around in the ram
[10:27] <lotusleaf> Electrolyte: after I installed Freespire, my cat lost all of its hair
[10:27] <Electrolyte> lotusleaf: Stop trying to be funny.
[10:27] <chakie_work> fsck
[10:28] <lotusleaf> Electrolyte: likewise ;)
[10:28] <morghanphoenix> How do you lose RAM sticks?
[10:28] <intelikey>  " cat /proc/driver/rtc "
[10:28] <Electrolyte> I don't know, but when I was booting up into Kubuntu Edgy the system rebooted, then I kept getting a kernel PANIC.
[10:28] <intelikey> morghanphoenix use a 12v test light to test them ?
[10:29] <teledyn> chakie_work: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <string>
[10:29] <chakie_work> teledyn: yes, i did just that. it's that the file doesn't exist in any package at all
[10:29] <intelikey> fsck is the command for checking a file system for errors
[10:30] <intelikey> f s  files system   ck check
[10:30] <morghanphoenix> I burned one up before, but I was putting RAM into an old dell and it wasn't connecting fully, made the whole stick glow red and smell really tasty.
[10:30] <teledyn> chakie_work: what about:   cd /usr/include; find ./ -name string.h
[10:31] <chakie_work> teledyn: there is the norma /usr/include/string.h
[10:31] <intelikey> morghanphoenix if you let the smoke out of thows little electronic parts they don't ever seem to work right again.
[10:31] <chakie_work> teledyn: but nothing in linux/
[10:31] <intelikey> teledyn find /usr/include -name string.h         no need to cd
[10:31] <root> eii
[10:32] <root> darme el servidor espaol
[10:32] <teledyn> dpkg -S  /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h  will tell you what package owns it
[10:32] <morghanphoenix> It's sitting on the supervisors desk at work as an example of what RAM shouldn't do.
[10:32] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: see-
[10:32] <rohan> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/hda1/Downloads$ md5sum kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[10:32] <rohan> 1f9baed847eff89b03c754fcaea8070e  kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[10:32] <chakie_work> teledyn: /usr/include/asm/io.h includes /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h which looks for <linux/string.h>
[10:32] <rohan> that helps ? :P
[10:32] <cristiano> hello all! i'm an italian kubuntu user and i'd like to set up a little community to create the kubuntu-it website (i see it doesn't exist) who to talk to?!?
[10:32] <teledyn> dpkg -L linux-libc-dev | less
[10:33] <chakie_work> teledyn: nope, not there
[10:34] <morghanphoenix> Is there a linux games channel?
[10:34] <cristiano> so no info for me?
[10:34] <momal> WAAAAAHOOOOO F*** YEA!
[10:34] <teledyn> usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-1/include/linux/string.h
[10:34] <momal> sorry for swearing but finally got it al working
[10:34] <momal> wow konversation looks different from last one >_<
[10:35] <chakie_work> teledyn: ok, 2.6.17 comes with edgy, you have installed it manually?
[10:35] <rohan> momal: yes, konversation 0.12.x that is with kde 3.5.5 is better
[10:35] <teledyn> chakie_work: actually that was from an old system that had debian on it
[10:35] <intelikey> #tome  or  #linux-tome     i really don't know.
[10:35] <intelikey> !tome
[10:35] <chakie_work> teledyn: ok
[10:35] <ubotu> tome: A single-player, text-based, dungeon simulation game.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.3.3-1 (dapper), package size 2307 kB, installed size 9460 kB
[10:35] <teledyn> chakie_work: i was just running locate to see what showed up.  that was in one of my backup archives
[10:35] <intelikey> ubotu not that.....
[10:35] <momal> konversation.. 0.12x? that woudl be kopete wouln't it ? im running 1.0.1 for konversation :p
[10:36] <intelikey> !botsnack
[10:36] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:36] <chakie_work> teledyn: interesting. my dapper doesn't have that file either
[10:36] <cristiano> the new 6.10 rocks! it just needs something like 5 secs to boot! O___O
[10:36] <chakie_work> teledyn: bu my debian sarge does
[10:36] <teledyn> chakie_work: its not part of the linux-headers package?
[10:36] <chakie_work> teledyn: in linux-kernel-headers on sarge
[10:37] <intelikey> chakie_work what you looking for anyway ?
[10:37] <oswaldo> someone know install counter-strike on kubuntu???
[10:37] <oswaldo> someone know install counter-strike on kubuntu???
[10:37] <chakie_work> intelikey: /usr/include/asm/io.h includes /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h which looks for <linux/string.h>
[10:37] <nebur> someone speak spanish?
[10:37] <morghanphoenix> Been trying that myself
[10:37] <chakie_work> intelikey: and <linux/string.h> is missing
[10:37] <oswaldo> yes yo hablo espaol
[10:37] <oswaldo> yo hablo espaol
[10:37] <oswaldo> soy espaol
[10:37] <morghanphoenix> Can't get counter strike or quake working.
[10:37] <nebur> hola, oswaldo
[10:37] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[10:38] <morghanphoenix> Doom and cube run great though.
[10:38] <oswaldo> tu tienes counter-strike en linux
[10:38] <chakie_work> teledyn: i have both linux-headers-2.6.17-10 and linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic installed. nothing there
[10:38] <morghanphoenix> I need to find my UO disc to see if the iris client  does well.
[10:38] <nebur> no, me acabo de instalar kubuntu para probarlo y eso queria saber... de algun juego o programa que merezca la pena instalar...
[10:38] <teledyn> chakie_work: did you try  updatedb then use the locate command?
[10:39] <chakie_work> teledyn: let me see
[10:39] <chakie_work> intelikey: E: Package linux-headers has no installation candidate
[10:39] <oswaldo> where can I get doom 3 for linux? morghanphoenix
[10:39] <oswaldo> where can I get doom 3 for linux? morghanphoenix
[10:39] <oswaldo> where can I get doom 3 for linux? morghanphoenix
[10:39] <intelikey> chakie_work i noticed you specified i386   you have i386  ?
[10:39] <cpk2> !doom
[10:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[10:39] <Electrolyte> Well, I have Kubuntu Edgy mostly back to how I used to have it before.
[10:39] <chakie_work> intelikey: yes, a p4
[10:39] <Electrolyte> Just that I still can't get FGLRX to work.
[10:40] <cristiano> any of the Kubuntu guru online?!pls i need a little info
[10:40] <morghanphoenix> Haven't found 3 myself, running 2
[10:40] <momal> edgy runs a ton faster then dapper me thinkz
[10:40] <oswaldo> ahm okis nebur
[10:40] <intelikey> but is the installed system i386   or i586/i686  smp ?
[10:40] <oswaldo> tb hay un canal de #kubuntu-es en espaol
[10:40] <chakie_work> slow machine...
[10:41] <momal> lol this will be interesting if vmware runs without needing a reinstall
[10:41] <Lynoure> I misclicked and the trashcan disappeared from the panel, how can I get it back? (I tried googling, could not find the answer)
[10:41] <teledyn> momal: if its a different kernel it will need a reinstall
[10:41] <momal> yea :p
[10:41] <intelikey> chakie_work   uname -r      does it show   *386  ?
[10:41] <momal> although it did update something to do with vmware
[10:41] <chakie_work> teledyn: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/include/linux/string.h
[10:41] <teledyn> momal: because it requires the modules built against your kernel
[10:42] <chakie_work> intelikey: "2.6.17-10-generic"
[10:42] <intelikey> that might be part of the problem
[10:42] <chakie_work> intelikey: perhaps. uname -a gives i686
[10:43] <teledyn> mine gives 2.6.17-10-generic
[10:43] <oswaldo> look, get el download link for doom 3
[10:43] <oswaldo> look, get el download link for doom 3
[10:43] <oswaldo> look, get el download link for doom 3
[10:43] <oswaldo> look, get the download link for doom 3
[10:43] <oswaldo> look, get the download link for doom 3
[10:43] <intelikey> yes but that is actual machine arch.  not software oprimization
[10:43] <cpk2> !spam
[10:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:43] <cpk2> well you should!
[10:43] <morghanphoenix> Do you have a client malfunction, or are you just typing everything three times?
[10:43] <cpk2> actually it was 5
[10:44] <chakie_work> teledyn, intelikey: i think something should symlink into  /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/include/ ?
[10:44] <Lynoure> ok, found it now
[10:44] <morghanphoenix> Only three when I started typing, and it was three little red lines when he asked me about doom 3
[10:44] <oswaldo> someone, where get doom 3 free?
[10:44] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: it'll get better.
[10:44] <intelikey> chakie_work ok   sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic       and see what happens.
[10:44] <Electrolyte> Anyone else had problems with fglrx?
[10:44] <rohan> T3hWiz0rd: eh ?
[10:44] <oswaldo> someone, where get doom 3 free?
[10:44] <oswaldo> someone, where get doom 3 free?
[10:45] <chakie_work> intelikey: already have that package
[10:45] <Electrolyte> You can't.
[10:45] <Electrolyte> oswaldo: You have to buy it.
[10:45] <T3hWiz0rd> rohan: iunno... just encouraging you my indian friend :-)
[10:45] <morghanphoenix> Damn, that was why I was asking about a games channel, figured it wasn't distro specific enough for this room.
[10:45] <cpk2> no... pretty sure doom is free now
[10:45] <chakie_work> intelikey: the header was found there too, btw
[10:45] <Electrolyte> Doom 3? cpk2, I don't think so.
[10:45] <intelikey> chakie_work ok that's the problem  it's looking for i386 but you have generic
[10:45] <teledyn> chakie_work: is this a compiler error you're getting?
[10:46] <chakie_work> intelikey: so the kernel package is actually to blame?
[10:46] <chakie_work> teledyn: yes
[10:46] <chakie_work> /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h:4:26: error: linux/string.h: No such file or directory
[10:46] <teledyn> chakie_work: what's the actual error?
[10:46] <teledyn> ah
[10:46] <chakie_work> before that some "in file included from"
[10:46] <Electrolyte> WIll have to go off and swap the RAM out from my server into this machine in a second.
[10:47] <intelikey> chakie_work  have to adjust that accordingly      no it should get the arch from the `uname -r`  or some preset veriable
[10:47] <teledyn> chakie_work: maybe you need to install bin86?   just a wild guess
[10:48] <teledyn> maybe something else is wrong and throwing off the compiler
[10:48] <intelikey> and seeing that   set | grep -ie i386     turns up blank i'd say the configure/makefile is to blame
[10:49] <chakie_work> teledyn: this worked ok a few hours back as a dapper,
[10:49] <chakie_work> teledyn: checking
[10:49] <intelikey> they have assumed i386   when it could be anything.
[10:51] <intelikey> chakie_work but dapper wasn't using the   2.6.17-10-generic  kernel  and thus the includes for   asm-generic  rather than asm-i386
[10:51] <chakie_work> intelikey: perhaps. i think dapper had some -ix86 kernel
[10:51] <yacoob> Speaking of which
[10:51] <yacoob> which edgy packages are optimized for various architectures?
[10:52] <chakie_work> intelikey: maybe i could simulate it by doing some creative symlinking?
[10:52] <intelikey> yacoob obviously not the "generic" ones.
[10:52] <intelikey> yes maybe
[10:52] <yacoob> intelikey, kernel and glibc I see. Anything more?
[10:53] <osh_> Could someone test something for me? With mozilla, go to http://aftonbladet.se/ Does your browser close instantly when you go there?
[10:53] <chakie_work> intelikey: oh, there is a linux-image-2.6.17-10-386 package
[10:54] <chakie_work> intelikey: i'll try with that one first
[10:54] <intelikey> ln -s yacoob lots of the dev stuff   headers and so forth  are arch oriented
[10:54] <intelikey> yacoob without the symlink   lol
[10:54] <giamma> hi to all
[10:54] <cheewie> whera do i fint the formate stuff?
[10:54] <intelikey> chakie_work also get the headers for i386
[10:55] <ubuntu> Hi
[10:55] <teledyn> actually the generic one seems to be 586 optimized based on the kernel .config
[10:55] <chakie_work> intelikey: yup, this time i was way ahead :)
[10:55] <intelikey> cheewie ?
[10:55] <intelikey> the do what ?
[10:55] <cheewie> ye that stuff when i will formate a hdd
[10:55] <intelikey> mkfs
[10:55] <teledyn> chakie_work: the 386 kernel is less optimized than the generic one
[10:56] <intelikey> what file system you want cheewie ?
[10:56] <cheewie> where d i find it on desktop mode?
[10:56] <chakie_work> teledyn: well, if the alternative is not getting work done, it doesn't matter
[10:56] <cheewie> ec3 ?
[10:56] <cheewie> ex3
[10:56] <rolando> hi
[10:56] <cheewie> or what is the best to use?
[10:56] <chakie_work> reboot time
[10:56] <intelikey> konsole  type  mkfs    and hit the tab key a couple of times
[10:57] <rolando> how can i upgrade to new kubuntu 6.10 without downloading the whole ISO?
[10:57] <rolando> from 6.06
[10:57] <momal> !codec
[10:57] <ziabice> rolando: update-manager -c -d
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <intelikey> and if you want ext3     mkfs.ext3 /dev/<device to make the file system on>
[10:57] <ziabice> rolando: it is written into the release notes...
[10:58] <momal> looking for the howto on installing the dvd/win32/mp3 playback
[10:58] <momal> !mp3
[10:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:58] <cheewie> is ther enot anu console mode?
[10:58] <rolando> ziabice: thanx
[10:58] <rolando> i dont have to change anything in the sources.list then?
[10:58] <ubuntu> Help
[10:58] <intelikey> cheewie example;  sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1            that's first partition on first hdar drive  format to ext3
[10:58] <ziabice> rolando: gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[10:59] <giamma> cristiano, are you there? :D
[10:59] <ziabice> rolando: it's all automatic
[10:59] <cristiano> here and there giamma :D
[10:59] <rolando> ok ok
[10:59] <ziabice> italiani in cha ;)
[10:59] <ziabice> italiani in chan ;)
[10:59] <cristiano> si ziabice
[10:59] <giamma> chan?
[10:59] <cristiano> to speak italian go to ubuntu-it
[10:59] <giamma> :P
[11:00] <cristiano> i'm there
[11:00] <ziabice> giamma: chan = channel
[11:00] <giamma> ah, ok, thanks
[11:01] <wombatunder> could someone please help me one on one?
[11:01] <cristiano> people why nvidia-settings does not save my settings even if i'm root?each time i boot i need to change again my gamma :(
[11:01] <wombatunder> I'm trying to setup kubuntu
[11:01] <cristiano> wombatunder: which kind of help do u need?
[11:02] <chakie_work> hm
[11:02] <wombatunder> I have some complicated partition issues
[11:02] <kristjan> omg I can't find /etc in edgy I
[11:02] <momal> !info w32codecs
[11:02] <ubotu> w32codecs: win32 binary codecs. In component extras, is optional. Version 1:20060611-0.0 (dapper-seveas), package size 13911 kB, installed size 33488 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:02] <chakie_work> teledyn, intelikey: no difference when running a i386 kernel
[11:02] <intelikey> kristjan try konsole
[11:03] <kristjan> intelikey: what should I type?
[11:03] <chakie_work> /usr/include/asm-i386/io.h just refers to a file that doesn't exist in any normal search paths
[11:03] <intelikey> chakie_work you have now the files ?
[11:03] <wombatunder> cristiano??
[11:03] <intelikey> kristjan ls /etc
[11:03] <johan_> hej. yakuake wont start, and its driving me crazy. help anyone?
[11:03] <intelikey> kristjan what are you wanting to don in /etc
[11:04] <kristjan> intelikey: I see /etc
[11:04] <chakie_work> intelikey: sure, in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386/include/linux/string.h
[11:04] <kristjan> intelikey: I\m in panic cause konqueror doesn't browse into /
[11:04] <chakie_work> intelikey: as well as in generic and one without any extension
[11:04] <chakie_work> intelikey: but nothing links to those files, so nothing tries to find them there
[11:04] <yacoob> Hmm.
[11:05] <intelikey> kristjan why do you want konq in /   running it as root ?
[11:05] <yacoob> Is there any .swf player?
[11:05] <yacoob> I mean, outside the browser.
[11:05] <yacoob> (under windows Media Player Classic plays swf)
[11:05] <intelikey> chakie_work what or where is it looking ?
[11:05] <ziabice> kristjan: I fired a bug report on launchpad about that
[11:05] <ziabice> kristjan: with a solution to the problem
[11:05] <kristjan> ziabice: is that a new feature?
[11:05] <cristiano> wombatunder: tell me
[11:05] <chakie_work> intelikey: that i don't know, but why should the compiler look into /usr/src if nothing in /usr/include links there?
[11:05] <ziabice> kristjan: one moment and I'll tell you the URL
[11:06] <chakie_work> intelikey: back in the good old days /usr/include/linux was a symlink to the kernel sources
[11:06] <ziabice> kristjan: for me is a bug, they call it "feature"... ;)
[11:06] <intelikey> chakie_work idk.   that's edgy for ya       try a   ldconfig     and see if it helps
[11:06] <johan_> libflash-swfplayer
[11:06] <kristjan> ziabice: so basically they want to hide / from user?
[11:07] <ziabice> kristjan: look here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/67314
[11:07] <ziabice> kristjan: yes...
[11:07] <chakie_work> intelikey: ldconfig has nothing to do with headers, afaik
[11:07] <ziabice> kristjan: they think a user is too stoopid
[11:07] <ziabice> ops.. stupid ;)
[11:07] <wombatunder> My original windows install died so I installed a second hdd and re-installed windows on a 20 gig partition and am now trying to install Kubuntu on the remaining space ion the new hard drive
[11:08] <ziabice> kristjan: BTW hust remove or rename the file .hidden in your / dir
[11:08] <yacoob> johan_, thanks.
[11:08] <ziabice> kristjan: BTW just remove or rename the file .hidden in your / dir
[11:08] <ziabice> sorry for my typos...
[11:08] <CVirus> damn .... while I was upgrading to edgy, this happened http://rafb.net/paste/results/TeHUe673.html
[11:09] <chakie_work> on a debian sarge /usr/include/linux/string.h comes from linux-kernel-headers, on edgy /usr/include/linux/ comes from linux-libc-dev, which seems stupid
[11:09] <kristjan> ziabice: should I add comment to this bug that I also have it_
[11:09] <the-erm> Now you're scaring me CVirus.
[11:09] <wombatunder> cristiano: I think the kubuntu install is going to try to change stuff on the original hard drive, which is NTFS and I don't want touched, but would like to be able to see.
[11:09] <rohan> CVirus: try dist upgrade again
[11:10] <grothesk> Hello!
[11:10] <intelikey> the nomanclature of the linux file system is about as open as the code....     for instants in dapper kdm writes in  /root/   something i thought should never be done by a user interactive app   but they saw nothing wrong with hard coding  /root/ into kdm  so that ever user actually alters data in /root/     ;/
[11:10] <CVirus> rohan: it tells me to run apt-get -f install
[11:10] <morghanphoenix> code 1 is not your friend
[11:10] <rohan> CVirus: ah yes, do that .. that'll help :)
[11:10] <grothesk> In Edgy, my soundcard is  not the first sounddevice that ist used. It is my tvcard instead. How do I set my soundcard al default audiodevice?
[11:11] <morghanphoenix> Wow, that freed up a LOT of space!
[11:11] <intelikey> edgy doesn't supprise me yet.....
[11:12] <morghanphoenix> All these lovely stories about edgy upgrades, how do I just upgrade KDE?
[11:12] <|lostbyte|> Any one here had a sucessfull edgy upgrade, raise your hands ?
[11:12] <cristiano> wombatunder: u need an unpartioned empty space for linux
[11:12] <rohan> morghanphoenix: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <ziabice> kristjan: I think that every kubuntu user have it, it's a kubuntu-default-settings behavior...
[11:13] <cristiano> wombatunder: u should use a program like partition magic or qtparted to use some of the empty space of the NTFS partition to create an empty partition with no filesystem on it
[11:13] <chakie_work> fsck, i'm at loss here. seems that i have to reinstall dapper so that i can get on with work :(
[11:13] <wombatunder> cristiano: I am upto step 6 in the install and am worried about the line "GRUB will be installed to (hd0)" as I assume this means Primary Master Drive?
[11:13] <cristiano> wombatunder: don't u have any other hd?
[11:13] <wombatunder> cristiano:I have 20 gig of empty space for linux to use
[11:14] <kristjan> ziabice: hmm I guess I'll leave /.hidden there and browse with "shoe hidden files"
[11:14] <morghanphoenix> ARGH! How can I tell what's using SDA1 so I can kill it and remove my external drive?
[11:15] <cristiano> wombatunder: u can tell ubiquity to use that space, u should "manual edit" the partition table during installation
[11:15] <ziabice> kristjan: I simply renamed it
[11:15] <morghanphoenix> Ack! third times a charm, didn't even work cli, guess whatever was using it quit on it's own
[11:16] <rickympl> hello, everyone
[11:16] <ziabice> kristjan: but maybe the best practice is to edit the file that it point to
[11:16] <wombatunder> cristiano:I have two hhd's one NTFS as Primary Master and one 40 gig as Secondary master. I have my new windows install running from a 20 gig partition on the Secondary Master and want to install Kubuntu on the sapre 20 gig on the Secondary master. Does this "GRUB will be installed to (hd0)" mean the install is going to try to write to the Primary master?
[11:17] <anil> HI all, I have a problem while booting into my ubuntu machine. Actually I tried updating kubuntu to 3.5.5 a couple of days before and this happened. I would like to know where can I find some kind of a log file so that I can paste it in here for your feedback. Thanks.
[11:17] <morghanphoenix> Can I remove the autoruns from an external hard drive, I think all it does is load the logo for windows icons.
[11:17] <ziabice> kristjan: the file /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root
[11:17] <cristiano> wombatunder: yes but it should be not a prob
[11:17] <rickympl> im having problems with my keyboard layouts,when i go to kcontrol-regional & accessiblity-keyboard layout, i get no options for available keyboard layouts
[11:17] <wombatunder> how will it write to an NTFS partition?
[11:19] <cristiano> wombatunder: Grub is written in the MBR not properly on the NTFS partition ;)
[11:19] <morghanphoenix> It says kubuntu-desktop is at it's newest version, I want to upgrade KDE to the version used in edgy without going to edgy.
[11:19] <wombatunder> cristiano:AHH, I understand now. Thank you!!
[11:19] <rolando> is it possible that everybody is trying to upgrade to new version and thats why i cant use update-manager properly, or is it just me?
[11:21] <cristiano> wombatunder: u welcome ;)
[11:21] <morghanphoenix> I've heard lots of people complaining about update-managet and dist-upgrade.
[11:21] <morghanphoenix> *manager
[11:21] <morghanphoenix> stupid keyboard
[11:22] <the-erm> ... don't tell me that I'm upgrading right now.
[11:22] <morghanphoenix> Microsoft natural keyboards are anything but natural
[11:22] <anil> any one out there who can help me out
[11:22] <the-erm> 15 min left for the downloads.
[11:22] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: i love my microsoft keyboard
[11:22] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: i think its the one thing microsoft did right.
[11:22] <anil> HI all, I have a problem while booting into my ubuntu machine. Actually I tried updating kubuntu to 3.5.5 a couple of days before and this happened. I would like to know where can I find some kind of a log file so that I can paste it in here for your feedback. Thanks.
[11:22] <cheewie> on the desktop edition is there any grafic appz to run when i will formate a hdd
[11:22] <morghanphoenix> I feel like I'm playing twister without the being drunk and naked part.
[11:22] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: well what type are you sing? one of hte ones that seperates the keys in the middle?
[11:23] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: or one of the actual natural ones that just have nicer spaced keys
[11:23] <morghanphoenix> Yeah
[11:23] <morghanphoenix> That whole wave thing
[11:23] <T3hWiz0rd> ahh you got one of those... ew.
[11:23] <morghanphoenix> really annoying, but I have problems with the usb keyboard so I'm stuck with this one.
[11:23] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: get one of their Multimedia boards. So much nicer, I love microsoft keyboards and mice.
[11:23] <rickympl> can anyone help me out?
[11:23] <morghanphoenix> I love my logitech ones, but they're usb
[11:24] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: i have big hands and their keys and mice fit me perfectly.
[11:24] <morghanphoenix> I have big hands too, but I have to type with my elbows out like I'm doing the funky chicken or something similar
[11:24] <maverick> password
[11:24] <nekromaan> good morning :), i upgraded from dapper -> edgy since edgy was alpha knot 3; i had the nv drivers 87.4x installed which jerks in games, then i upgraded to 89.xx and it jerks too, there is no driver problem, there must be something different or?
[11:25] <duckdown> Hi all... When I try to run 'screen' when I su to another user, it keeps telling me it cannot open /dev/ptyX .. How can I fix this problem?
[11:26] <maverick> nekromann: should i update to edgy now..i mean do u advice me to do so?
[11:26] <morghanphoenix> !upgrade
[11:26] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[11:28] <nekromaan> maverick: edgy is now final, you can upgrade it, but if you have an nv-card and you like playing games, then i  dont know if the driver will work properly
[11:29] <morghanphoenix> Argh! Even KDE.org gives me a link to the kubuntu site telling me 3.5.5 is included in edgy and to upgrade!
[11:29] <rolando> you can install 3.5.5 and not upgrade
[11:29] <cheewie> what for good ftp client os out to linux
[11:29] <morghanphoenix> How please?
[11:29] <morghanphoenix> I can't seem to find it
[11:29] <rolando> ill give you the link
[11:30] <Tm_T> cheewie: konqueror?
[11:30] <morghanphoenix> Thanks, been hearing too many issues to go to edgy just yet.
[11:30] <rolando> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[11:31] <cheewie> Tm_T where do i find that one?
[11:31] <rolando> thats how i did it
[11:31] <DocTomoe> Hi ... for some reason, my kmail refuses to save POP/SMTP passwords, and prompts me any time a connection is made. What am I to do?
[11:31] <nekromaan> does somebody use edgy with nv-drivers and tried a game? does it work in a normal way or jerking?
[11:31] <rolando> DocTomoe: tried using kdewallet?
[11:31] <Tm_T> cheewie: konqueror is the filemanager you use in KDE, also it works as web browser etc.
[11:32] <DocTomoe> rolando: jupp, and kde-wallet curiously asket to unlock the wallet when I first entered the passwords in the configuration dialouge of kmail
[11:32] <cheewie> oh thanks
[11:33] <rolando> then no idea
[11:33] <morghanphoenix> Works pretty well as a web browser, although I've found it's masking to leave something to be desired.
[11:34] <anil> The following is the link to my Xorg.0.log file.. There are some errors at the end of the file. Please check them out and give me some feedback. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28634/
[11:35] <Electrolyte> I can't get FGLRX to work at all.
[11:35] <Electrolyte> It's completely broken :/
[11:35] <Electrolyte> And I think my motherboard is on it's way out, since the RAM sticks are working again _
[11:37] <Electrolyte> Anyone else having trouble getting fglrx to work?
[11:39] <rlj> about to do a dist-upgrade to edgy, hoping it will be a painless process. apt-get says kubuntu-desktop will be removed. is this default behaviour?
[11:39] <Tm_T> rlj: try to install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:39] <rlj> also, why are some packages held back? are they conflicting with some i have installed?
[11:40] <rlj> i have kubuntu-desktop installed
[11:40] <maverick> guys, i've just installed azureus...it won't allow me to download it sayes "operation not permitted, setlength fails....."
[11:40] <rlj> apt-get dist-upgrade says before the proceed? y/n prompt that kubuntu-desktop is one of the packages that will be removed
[11:40] <maverick> also Ktorrent says operation not permitted...
[11:40] <morghanphoenix> Wow, 266M install for KDE
[11:40] <rlj> was just wondering if that is expected
[11:40] <Tm_T> rlj: Yup, you prolly have something outside from ubuntu repositories that causes some pain, just reinstall kubuntu-desktop now, I think it will take some packages uptodate with it.
[11:41] <Electrolyte> I wouldn't recommend ANYONE upgrading to Edgy if they have an ATI graphics card.
[11:41] <rolando> maverick: maybe you want to save your downloads in a place where you cant?
[11:41] <morghanphoenix> I've heard the same problem with nvidia
[11:41] <rolando> Electrolyte: dont tell me that, im doing it right now
[11:41] <maverick> no am downloading it, in an ordinary partition...
[11:41] <rolando> :S
[11:41] <morghanphoenix> That's one of the main reasons I'm not upgrading
[11:41] <Electrolyte> Well rolando, my X850XT is stuck in software mode :/
[11:41] <Electrolyte> I just can't get fglrx to function.
[11:42] <rolando> what drivers?
[11:42] <Electrolyte> So no more UT2004 for me :'(
[11:42] <maverick> rolando:"/media/drive-1/
[11:42] <Electrolyte> fglrx.
[11:42] <Tm_T> rlj: Works?
[11:43] <morghanphoenix> It seems strange though, lots of people oohing and awwing at edgy, using the same hardware as the ones crying over thier broke 'puters.
[11:43] <Tm_T> morghanphoenix: Here it just been working, but I do know it could be different in other system.
[11:43] <rolando> maverick: your user must be allowed to write there
[11:43] <rolando> try other directory
[11:44] <rlj> Tm_T: hm, so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (which would upgrade it from latest dapper to latest edgy) says it can't proceed because amarok, kde-guidance, kde-guidance-powermanager, language-selector-qt and xorg won't be installed
[11:44] <Electrolyte> If I could do a fresh install I would do.
[11:44] <Electrolyte> But I don't have a disc to burn the ISO :(
[11:44] <rlj> Tm_T: i already have dapper amarok installed btw
[11:44] <Tm_T> rlj: hmm, and if you try to (re)install xorg, it says...
[11:44] <rlj> Tm_T: however, it might be that binary xorg ati driver (which i currently don't use anyway) might be messing up
[11:45] <Tm_T> rlj: Yup, might be.
[11:45] <rlj> xorg: Depends: xutils (>= 1:1.0.1-1) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is to be installed
[11:45] <Electrolyte> I have xorg-driver-fglrx installed.
[11:45] <Electrolyte> Not that binary one.
[11:46] <T3hWiz0rd> I am beginning to wonder if i am in a rare minority today that edgy simply... worked... for
[11:46] <morghanphoenix> I figure between the athlon, nvidia, quantum, via and toshiba parts of my system everything is pretty common so there should be no hardware issues for me.
[11:46] <Tm_T> rlj: I see, xutils/edgy uptodate 1:7.1.1ubuntu6
[11:47] <rlj> hm, description in xutils in adept says it help smoothly upgrade from 5.04. i wonder if the desc is outdated or if the whole packages is obsolete?
[11:47] <Tm_T> rlj: Smells like your repositories isn't fully updated or something.
[11:47] <Tm_T> rlj: You're trying to upgrade to exgy, right?
[11:47] <rlj> they should be. hm. think i'm syncing to au.archive.ubuntu.com for some reason
[11:47] <rlj> Tm_T: yep
[11:48] <maverick> dude i knwo wht u're talking abt..this is not my problem, anyway thanks i solved it
[11:48] <Tm_T> rlj: And you now have dapper, right?
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, 2 min later and KDE 3.5.5 upgrad is half done, the windows update took 13 hours and I had to download it from a non-microsoft site because I don't have active-x turned on. Now whick is friendlier to it's users?
[11:49] <Tm_T> morghanphoenix: I am.
[11:49] <Tm_T> Jucato: Right?
[11:49] <T3hWiz0rd> comparing windows update to apt-get updates is sort of apples and oranges
[11:49] <Jucato> O_O
[11:49] <T3hWiz0rd> philosophically, both work depending on what you're looking at.
[11:49] <Tm_T> T3hWiz0rd: Yes, that's why I'm more friendlier. ;)
[11:49] <morghanphoenix> maybe apples and water buffalos would be a better comparison to the comparison.
[11:49] <Jucato> @_@
[11:50] <T3hWiz0rd> i can't really bash microsoft too bad... they did alright with XP... I'd never use it beyond Wintendo... but they did okay.
[11:50] <T3hWiz0rd> when you side-by-side XP to all other windows versions there was a def. overhaul in the interface and all, a good one too.
[11:51] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, I had ME and for some reason it thought it was a good idea to auto-update with XP codec packs, blue screen of death every few hours from then on out, and of course microsoft wouldn't give me any support.
[11:51] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: its also good to note that linux is not designed as a windows replacement, merely an alternative to it.
[11:51] <Tm_T> Yup, compare aeroplane and train. ;)
[11:52] <Tm_T> both can move people, but only other you will use to move wood.
[11:52] <morghanphoenix> I will give windows it's due in the games category, all I've found that I love on linux is vendetta-online.
[11:52] <cpk2> doom???
[11:52] <cpk2> quake???
[11:52] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: remember though linux birth place is the server world. its safe to say lnux didn't kick into high-gear until about 2000, when a lot more active development started.
[11:53] <rlj_> Tm_T: i'm back
[11:53] <cpk2> both excellent games with native linux support
[11:53] <rlj_> Tm_T: our net died
[11:53] <cpk2> same with never winter nights
[11:53] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: so its safe to say linux's highest years are only 6 years in, and its been a huge change for it.
[11:53] <Tm_T> rlj_: How it's now?
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> Played those out, really sick of FPS games here.
[11:53] <rlj_> Tm_T: last thing i saw was <Tm_T> rlj: You're trying to upgrade to exgy, right?
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, it has
[11:53] <cpk2> warcraft 3 works great on wine ^^
[11:53] <Tm_T> rlj_: Ok, you are on dapper now, right?
[11:54] <rlj> Tm_T: yep
[11:55] <rlj> Tm_T: just before or after the net died, i said my sources.lst was referring to au.archive.ubuntu.com for some reason (not in australia anyway) so i'm gonna change it to archive.ubuntu.com to make sure to fetch from main repository
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> I shoulda done KDE-core, I'm just watching it dump everything I don't want onto my computer.
[11:55] <rlj> Tm_T: hm, well it does download more now
[11:55] <Tm_T> rlj: Roger, also remember to doublecheck it all looks fine. ;)
[11:55] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: did you run a dis-upgrade or something?
[11:56] <rlj> Tm_T: it's definitely fetching new package lists
[11:56] <morghanphoenix> no, just upgraded the KDE package to 3.5.5
[11:56] <Tm_T> rlj: It should. :)
[11:56] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: on Edgy kde-core right now :)
[11:56] <rlj> guess you couldn't expect all servers to be synced yet
[11:56] <rlj> Tm_T: i mean newer than the edgy ones from au.archive.ubuntu.com. that's not good though.
[11:56] <Tm_T> rlj: Should been, there hasn't been any package changes for a long tie.
[11:56] <Tm_T> time.
[11:57] <cpk2> i want the ability to apt-get install kde-everythingkde
[11:57] <cpk2> or somesuch which gives me everything kde
[11:57] <rlj> Tm_T: hm, guess you're right. the repos have been alive and synced for a long time when edgy was in dev/beta
[11:57] <Hobbsee> rlj: try using deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiverse, instead.  with all the repos.  it's an au mirror, and it's more updated than au.archive
[11:57] <cpk2> and i mean EVERYTHING
[11:57] <T3hWiz0rd> cpk2: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:57] <rlj> Hobbsee: i'm not in au :)
[11:57] <morghanphoenix> That's a lot of crap, and a good bit of it redundant.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> rlj: ahh.  i thought you were
[11:57] <cpk2> T3hWiz0rd: thats not EVERYTHING i want everything that has kde or K in its name, except maybe the language packs
[11:58] <Hobbsee> cpk2: apt-get install kde, i think
[11:58] <rlj> Hobbsee: the reason it defaulted to that on my dapper fresh install was prolly because i am installing english en_US ubuntu but i'm swedish so have swedish kb layout and it all got a bit confused in the graphical installer
[11:58] <Hobbsee> rlj: ahhh
[11:58] <rlj> Hobbsee: so since en_AU is first in the list, that seems to be the locale installed
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:58] <rlj> Hobbsee: (since en_SE does not exist.)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[11:58] <rlj> Hobbsee: the problem is that i want en_US even though i want my kb to be swedish
[11:59] <cpk2> apt-get install kde is already installed and i know I dont have everything kde
[11:59] <rlj> Hobbsee: the gui installer (and the text mode also i think) is too stupid to allow that though
[11:59] <Hobbsee> that would make sense
[11:59] <morghanphoenix> 365 packages to upgrade or install in kde package, I had kde-core before and the games, edutainment and PIM packages.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> rlj: file a bug on that.
[11:59] <T3hWiz0rd> cpk2: why would you want to do that though?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> about how it's grabbing en_AU due to there being no en_SE there.  under debian-installer
[11:59] <rlj> Hobbsee: i did some googling and foruming on that back when i installed
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ahh okay
[11:59] <rlj> Hobbsee: but yeah, should dig into it again at some point
[12:00] <cpk2> T3hWiz0rd: so I know I have it all?
[12:00] <yacoob> on other note, anyone been trying to launch world of warcraft under ubuntu? :)
[12:00] <Electrolyte> I had best start searching for a fix to fglrx then - bet I won't find one.
[12:00] <cpk2> i also think that for the extremely crazy there should be an apt-get install all which of course installs everything in the repos you have
[12:01] <cpk2> except conflicting apps those wont install =P
[12:02] <yacoob> cpk2, prepare meta packages :)
[12:02] <leafw> question: I've been dist-upgrading since Hoary, and I see that even after removing the entire kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop (by manually listing all packages), I have tones of junk under /var/lib and /usr/lib. Is there any way to purge the system from leftovers? I would like to do a clean dist-upgrade to edgy.
[12:02] <leafw> (tones of junk literally up to 1 GB)
[12:02] <morghanphoenix> apt's clean doesn't work?
[12:02] <cpk2> yacoob: am I the only one who thinks that meta packages like this would be cool?
[12:03] <leafw> apt-get clean only removes caches .deb files from installed packages, nothing else
[12:03] <MalfermitaKodo> Can someone help me here? I need a program which outputs oggs and mp3s to standard input
[12:03] <yacoob> cpk2, well... could be. I find it useless :D
[12:03] <cpk2> hehe, but cmon a meta package to install everything kde? XD
[12:04] <morghanphoenix> I get too much stuff I find useless just from the kde package.
[12:04] <cheewie> is there out any good winrar tools ?
[12:04] <MalfermitaKodo> cheewie: unrar?
[12:04] <cheewie> ye
[12:04] <leafw> morghanphoenix : only way I know is to first install kubuntu-desktop and then remove all the junk.
[12:04] <pissed_of_pielgr> could some guru explain me why this f*cking edgy alternate install keeps hanging on 'running system log service'? Edgy f*cked up my dapper install and now I can't even make a clean install (burned 3 damn cd's and every single sucked)
[12:04] <leafw> or, install kde-base.
[12:04] <rlj> Tm_T: despite archive.ubuntu.com, dist-upgrade says the same
[12:05] <morghanphoenix> That's what I'm planning to do, but there's so much of it it's kinda overwhelming.
[12:05] <Tm_T> rlj: Sure, but now try to get kubuntu-desktop manually installed?
[12:05] <leafw> morghanphoenix : since apt-get figures out dependencies, just install kde-base and you'll have a basic KDE install, nothing else.
[12:05] <rlj> Tm_T: it won't upgrade xorg for example because i have some 7.0.0 version of xutils installed but the newest in edgy is named 1:1.0.1-1
[12:05] <morghanphoenix> That's what I did last time, forgot the -base this time.
[12:05] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: well maybe if you have a space problem but for people who dont care about space (sitting on almost a tB of total space here) getting everything kde would be nice because then you dont need to worry about getting some little kde app later
[12:06] <rlj> Tm_T: same output as before
[12:06] <rlj> Tm_T: but what i wonder is why does my xutils have a 7.0.0.something version number
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> Got a spare HDD cpk2?
[12:06] <rlj> Tm_T: maybe i got it from some weird repo
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> I wouldn't mind having lots of space
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> lol
[12:06] <rlj> Tm_T: maybe 1:1.whatever is the latest
[12:06] <rlj> so be uninstalling xutils
[12:06] <Tm_T> rlj: incorrect, newest should be 1:7.1.1ubuntu6
[12:06] <cpk2> hehe I dont have a tB free =P
[12:07] <cpk2> in fact I need to buy another drive soon
[12:07] <rlj> Tm_T: then why do you think it still says : xorg: Depends: xutils (>= 1:1.0.1-1) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is to be installed
[12:07] <morghanphoenix> I have 20GB total for root /usr /var /tmp and all that shite
[12:08] <morghanphoenix> My home partition is very full, so no help from that drive.
[12:09] <cpk2> i have a 40gB drive dedicated to / and swap and /usr
[12:09] <leafw> rlj: read 'man dpkg' for fixing stuff like that
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> I could scrounge up a few more drives if I had a controller for more ides, but I don't even have a PCI open to put an add-on controller in.
[12:09] <rlj> Tm_T: adept says about xutils i have 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 installed now and candidate version from repo is 1:7.1.1ubuntu6
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> Maybe I should get a controller and dump the TV card to my girl's windows box, works better there anyways.
[12:10] <cpk2> my mobo has 4 sata and 3 (i think?) ide
[12:10] <morghanphoenix> I tried doing mythTV but it doesn't support the old happhague cards.
[12:11] <morghanphoenix> So all my TV and FM tuner is good for is attaching a webcam to.
[12:11] <rlj> Tm_T: i'll start off by purging my fglrx packages and see if anything changes
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> And I think me with a webcam would be a detriment to the internet, there's enough ugly people posting themselves all over the net without me adding myself to the rolls.
[12:12] <Electrolyte> rlj: Let me know if you get fglrx working, it's rather annoying not having 3D acceleration ;(
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> Sad part is they all seem to think they're cexy!
[12:13] <cpk2> i'm sure to someone out there they are!
[12:13] <Lynoure> !offtopic
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[12:13] <Tm_T> rlj: Try to install that newest xutils, I think that's the key there. :)
[12:13] <rlj> Electrolyte: i'm an owner of a not so nice radeon xpress 200m mobo, i did get fglrx "working" and it did do some hw accel 3d, but was highly unstable and crashed the system
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> Ha!
[12:13] <Electrolyte> Ah.
[12:14] <Electrolyte> rlj: I've got an X850XT PCI-E.
[12:14] <Electrolyte> rlj: And have zero hardware acceleration on it :/
[12:14] <morghanphoenix> My girls gomputer is haunted, just about jumped out my skin at that annoying windows shut down sound when it decided to spontaneously reboot itself right next to me.
[12:14] <Electrolyte> LOL
[12:15] <cpk2> haha reminds me of my cell phone, i never turn it off and it randomly *turns on*
[12:15] <Electrolyte> Even though using the Mesa driver, X does seem to respond just as fast as it did under fglrx.
[12:15] <cpk2> with ample battery supply!
[12:15] <Electrolyte> So I really want to see if my games run faster under Edgy :(
[12:15] <cpk2> Electrolyte: so why the =(?
[12:15] <rlj> Tm_T: should i start off just by xutils? that will pull another 49 upgrades, 22 new packages, 16 removes including kubuntu-desktop as well
[12:15] <morghanphoenix> My cell phone turns itself on whenever I program it to, but nothing that random.
[12:15] <Electrolyte> cpk2: Because I can't do it at the moment.
[12:15] <rlj> Tm_T: maybe just remove xutils for now?
[12:16] <Electrolyte> cpk2: I haven't a clue what is wrong with fglrx.
[12:16] <rlj> Tm_T: and install it afterwards?
[12:16] <Tm_T> rlj: outch, ok, anything else "iportant" removed when installing xutils?
[12:16] <Tm_T> important even.
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> Do I need to restart X for my new KDE version, or just kill my session and log in to a new one?
[12:16] <asraniel> hi, i have a problem, does anyone use kdetv? the sound quality is bad, in dapper it was much better, anyone seen this?
[12:17] <rlj> Tm_T: well, things like xorg :)
[12:17] <jende> How
[12:17] <jende> Howdy
[12:17] <morghanphoenix> My sound quality is bad in everything that doesn't use xine.
[12:17] <Jucato> heya jende! :)
[12:17] <Tm_T> rlj: just "xorg" but nothing like "xorg-core" ?
[12:17] <Lynoure> morghanphoenix: little ctrl-backspace does not hurt there
[12:17] <rlj> Tm_T: xorg-server to be exact
[12:18] <Electrolyte> rlj: There's a thread on the forum that stats that the fglrx issue is solved, I'm gonna check it.
[12:18] <rlj> Tm_T: sorry. xserver-xorg
[12:18] <rlj> Electrolyte: gl
[12:18] <Tm_T> rlj: I see.
[12:18] <Electrolyte> Ahhhh!!!
[12:19] <Electrolyte> Composite is enabled by default!
[12:19] <rlj> Electrolyte: this is what i used when installing fglrx. http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Ubuntu_packages_for_the_8.26.18_drivers_in_Ubuntu_Dapper_Manually
[12:19] <Electrolyte> That'll explain it :/
[12:19] <Electrolyte> Let me just disable composite and restart X.
[12:19] <jende_> is anyone of you using the latest mysql-server on edgy?
[12:19] <cpk2> jende_: no, but whats its worth I plan on training myself on edgy with it with a server install
[12:20] <cpk2> but for what its*
[12:20] <rlj> Tm_T: maybe it's just easier doing a clean install after a home backup
[12:20] <cpk2> just need to not be lazy and read some docs and then learn by doing
[12:20] <rlj> Tm_T: although that takes a lot of time and effort
[12:20] <jende_> cpk2: on my edgy boxes the latest mysql-server doesn't work :-(
[12:21] <cpk2> jende_: well that could be a serious problem for my learning it couldnt it? =\
[12:21] <cpk2> jende_: say... you know your way around mysql? =D
[12:21] <Tm_T> rlj: Hmm, but if you have time and patience to fix that problem, there's great opportunity to learn about system, it's your call. :)
[12:22] <jende_> cpk2: ah well, I started learning php/mysql half a yr ago, so I'm not a professionell but I know a bit
[12:22] <morghanphoenix> Wow, that reset all my settings, but it's KDE 3.5.5.
[12:23] <osh_> Is it just me or is Firefox more buggy than what is to be expected? Many flash sites just crashes the browser. Allowing JS on youtube crashes the browser.... Annoying....
[12:23] <klerfayt> lol I forgot what I'm going to ask
[12:23] <cpk2> jende_: well would you mind then if in the months to come I ask for *a lot* of help since you seem like such a nice person? =)
[12:23] <rlj> Tm_T: i would rather not reinstall now though
[12:23] <morghanphoenix> Wallpapers, extra panels, screen-saver, all of it reset.
[12:23] <jende_> cpk2: I'll be on a (K)Ubuntu meeting tomorrow, maybe I'll get some handy news
[12:23] <jende_> cpk2: sur, you can ask
[12:23] <rlj> Tm_T: got like 60 gb of data to move to other machine, then reinstall, then back. then fiddle with config everywhere. won't trust just putting ~/.kde back
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> I thought KDE was supposed to keep the old settings?
[12:24] <Electrolyte> rlj: It worked :)
[12:24] <Electrolyte> Composite is enabled by default, which FGLRX doesn't support.
[12:24] <rlj> Electrolyte: good for you :)
[12:24] <rlj> Electrolyte: i'll just wait until the radeon driver supports my card properly, if ever
[12:24] <Lynoure> morghanphoenix: you could try restoring your old .kde from a backup, to see if that helps
[12:24] <cpk2> jende_: and if you have any suggestions of how to start it would also be appreciated =D
[12:24] <rlj> Electrolyte: i'm not really fond of fglrx
[12:24] <GNAM> manually edit partition table - QTPARTED: critical error during ped_disk_new
[12:24] <Electrolyte> Neither am I rlj.
[12:25] <klerfayt> ok. I'm on edgy now - just install beryl without xgl now?
[12:25] <Electrolyte> Now to try Beryl.
[12:25] <morghanphoenix> didn't back it up, thought just going from .2 to .5 wouldn't need a backup.
[12:25] <xsacha> yes klerfayt
[12:25] <jende_> cpk2: I've got to go now unfortunately, but when I'm back tonight (CET) I'll pppost you a few things to start with
[12:25] <xsacha> make sure glxinfo | grep direct says yes too
[12:25] <klerfayt> xsacha: maybe a link please?
[12:25] <xsacha> klerfayt: http://compiz-mirror.lupine.me.uk/
[12:25] <Lynoure> morghanphoenix: it's astounding how many people do not do backups
[12:26] <morghanphoenix> I backed up everything else
[12:26] <cpk2> jende_: that would be great thank you very much XD
[12:26] <klerfayt> xsacha: wait what nvidia-drivers I need?
[12:26] <rlj> Tm_T: so ideally, the dist-upgrade is not supposed to delete any package, is it? unless it is in direct conflict with a new edgy replacement. like kpowersave vs. guidance-powermanager
[12:26] <Lynoure> simply having a hard disk is a reason enough to take backups :)
[12:26] <morghanphoenix> just didn;t think ./kde would need it
[12:26] <xsacha> glxinfo | grep direct is no?
[12:26] <jende_> cpk2: no worries
[12:26] <osh_> yacoob: No, but I'm thinking of trying BF2 since my damn windows died again. I only use it for games and made a misstake of upgrading. That upgrade went worse than my ubuntu upgrade that only broke a few things.
[12:26] <Electrolyte> xsacha: You can use dapper repositories for Beryl can't you?
[12:26] <xsacha> depends what you want.. aiglx or nvidia beta?
[12:26] <anil> HI all. I now have kubuntu 6.06 and I would like to update it to Kubunto 6.10. How can I do that. Please let me know
[12:27] <xsacha> Electrolyte: edgy repositories have exists for ages!
[12:27] <Lynoure> morghanphoenix: good rule of thumb is backing up anything and everything you could not lose without feeling annoyed
[12:27] <Electrolyte> I didn't know an edgy one was there :/
[12:27] <Electrolyte> The one I'm using doesn't have edgy.
[12:27] <xsacha> Electrolyte: http://compiz-mirror.lupine.me.uk/ -- for atleast 2 weeks
[12:27] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, I mostly just got the irreplacable stuff on my backups.
[12:27] <jende_> see ya folks
[12:27] <Electrolyte> Ah, thanks :)
[12:27] <klerfayt> xsacha: 1.0-8774 nvidia drivers will let me use beryl without xgl?
[12:27] <jende_> bye
[12:27] <xsacha> it's edgy main-edgy instead of dapper main
[12:28] <cpk2> jende_: night
[12:28] <xsacha> klerfayt: i dont know much about nvidia drivers but i think if they are non-beta, you can use aiglx with it.. beta ones dont even need aiglx
[12:28] <anil> any one who can give me a link or some thing regarding updating from 6.06 to 6.10
[12:28] <morghanphoenix> !upgrade
[12:28] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[12:28] <morghanphoenix> thar she be
[12:29] <klerfayt> xsacha: I guess http://forum.beryl-project.org/ is best place to ask such questions
[12:29] <xsacha> about nvidia drivers? not really..
[12:29] <jende_> jende_: its just noon here
[12:29] <jende_> jende_: its just noon here
[12:29] <keyo> #beryl
[12:29] <xsacha> for beryl questions, join #beryl though
[12:30] <morghanphoenix> What's using all my RAM? how do I check what's loaded into it?
[12:30] <xsacha> type "top" into console
[12:30] <morghanphoenix> I've got a gig and it's all gone.
[12:31] <yacoob> morghanphoenix, by default kernel allocates lots of ram to disk buffers
[12:31] <yacoob> so I'd rather look at the swap usage, if it's low or nonexistent, you're fine.
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> is that all the hald stuff?
[12:32] <Electrolyte> Ok, Beryl doesn't work for ATI users.
[12:32] <Electrolyte> Unless you use XGL :/
[12:32] <GNAM> i've found my bug
[12:32] <GNAM> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qtparted/+bug/48055
[12:33] <xsacha> Electrolyte: i use beryl with open source drivers and aiglx just fine
[12:33] <Electrolyte> I need fglrx though.
[12:33] <Electrolyte> Or I can't play UT2004.
[12:33] <xsacha> but if you mean fglrx, yes
[12:33] <Electrolyte> Open source driver also doesn't support my card (being X850XT).
[12:33] <morghanphoenix> I think my system monitor is wrong, only shows me using about 500MB in top.
[12:34] <xsacha> maybe you could set up prefixed dirs and special xorg.confs so you can just load into one when you need it? :P
[12:34] <xsacha> oh :(
[12:34] <morghanphoenix> Ha! My yakuake settings are still there.
[12:34] <xsacha> well my next card aint ati anyway :P unless amd make them work on linux -- doubt it
[12:35] <Electrolyte> I'm hopefully going to get a GeForce 7950GT after I get my binary watch.
[12:35] <rlj> Tm_T: and if i once had a weird repo in, and then removed it from sources.list and synced again, there should be no remains of it on my system?
[12:35] <xsacha> lol@binary watch
[12:35] <Electrolyte> :D
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> I got a geforce because everyone seemed to tell me they were better for linux.
[12:35] <rlj> Tm_T: just to make sure messed up version numbers from packages in weird repos aren't messing up now. (only have *.ubuntu.com repos enabled now)
[12:35] <morghanphoenix> My ATi wouldn't let me enable direct rendering even
[12:35] <xsacha> morghanphoenix: nvidia, yes much better for linux :D
[12:36] <Electrolyte> morghanphoenix: Did you disable composite in xorg.conf?
[12:36] <Tm_T> rlj: Do "apt-get clean" too.
[12:36] <xsacha> composite enabled by default for me :S although everyone else says iut doesnt for them
[12:36] <morghanphoenix> I got a geforce MX4000, even bought it from a store that made me pay too much so I could have a good refund/exchange policy.
[12:36] <xsacha> it doesnt matter if you're using open source drivers though :)
[12:36] <Tm_T> rlj: Also you still do have installed packages in, so...
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> It is with the new card.
[12:37] <Electrolyte> Like I said, too bad the open source driver doesn't support my card :(
[12:37] <xsacha> morghanphoenix: go get that refund!
[12:37] <morghanphoenix> I like my new card too much, and it was only $40
[12:37] <xsacha> it's too old now lol
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> Works for me, plays vendetta online, legends and cube just fine.
[12:39] <Electrolyte> My X850XT just about plays UT2004 well.
[12:39] <Electrolyte> Except when it's outdoors.
[12:39] <yacoob> oh, katapult is default in edgy
[12:39] <Electrolyte> But fglrx isn't exactly good :/
[12:39] <yacoob> ...too bad plugins are scarce.
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> Do I need a package to install KDM themes?
[12:39] <rlj> Tm_T: here's what dist-upgrade tells me : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28637/
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> I can't seem to fing it in kcontrol
[12:39] <xsacha> but Electrolyte that's native linux game too?!
[12:40] <Electrolyte> xsacha: Yup.
[12:40] <xsacha> that's pathetic :(
[12:40] <yacoob> yup, UT2004 is native.
[12:40] <Tm_T> rlj: Do it.
[12:40] <Electrolyte> It's better on nvidia cards xsacha due to the better driver.
[12:40] <yacoob> and I ran it fine with fglrx on Debian, I hope to do the same on Kubuntu
[12:40] <twosouls82> morghanphoenix: look for kdmtheme
[12:40] <rlj> Tm_T: did an apt-get clean
[12:40] <xsacha> on windows you would get as much fps as your monitors refresh rate anywhere :S
[12:40] <xsacha> why wont ati help us?
[12:41] <Electrolyte> xsacha: That's a game fix.
[12:41] <Electrolyte> When online, it's fixed at 85 FPS>
[12:41] <Tm_T> rlj: If your dist-upgrade still says the same, just go ahead, we'll fix it later if something's get broken. =)
[12:41] <xsacha> my monitor is only 60htz :(
[12:41] <Electrolyte> I get a higher frame rate when in certain areas on Linux, but outdoors - it's worse.
[12:41] <rlj> Tm_T: go ahead with the dist-upgrade and let it remove xserver-xorg?
[12:42] <rlj> Tm_T: or is that merely a metapackage?
[12:42] <Tm_T> rlj: Yes, it installs kde packages so you should be fine.
[12:42] <rlj> Tm_T: i'm seeing only some x driver packages are held back
[12:42] <osh_> Is there some way to disable flash in FF2?
[12:42] <Tm_T> rlj: Yup, we'll deal that later.
[12:42] <rlj> Tm_T: and them being held back would prevent the xserver-xorg metapackage from reaching the full version, yes? and thus has to be removed
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> Theme manager is the closest I find.
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> Nothing even says KDM in it.
[12:43] <Tm_T> rlj: We'll see it then.
[12:43] <rlj> Tm_T: alright. will take quite a while to fetch from net though
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> Search for kdm only comes up with login manager and no themes in there
[12:43] <rlj> i'll make sure to save this log so i know what packages it removed
[12:43] <Tm_T> rlj: Roger.
[12:43] <rlj> Tm_T: alright, off we go with downloads then :)
[12:45] <Johnsandman> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[12:46] <morghanphoenix> Ahh, package search, kcontrol-kdmtheme not installed.
[12:46] <morghanphoenix> That's probably the problem
[12:46] <xsacha> grrr for some reason, the first time i enter my email password it always says it is wrong, i type it again and wow, now it's right
[12:47] <en1gma> anyone else getting crappy dload speed for the dvd torrent
[12:47] <inigo> hla
[12:47] <xsacha> my ISP hosts everything linux related :D 1MB/s
[12:47] <rlj> Tm_T: ok, thanks. this will however take *a few* hours to download. we'll see if you're still online and remember me later on if i bump into more probs :)
[12:47] <en1gma> i been dloading over 8hrs and just now at 10%
[12:47] <rlj> Tm_T: thanks for the assistance
[12:47] <xsacha> their one good thing
[12:48] <B-Minus> hello
[12:48] <Tm_T> rlj: No problemo. :)
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> Does that to me sometimes too, and the wallet won't keep my passwords.
[12:48] <B-Minus> ive some issues with edgy, i dont see anything at boottime/logoff time
[12:48] <Tm_T> B-Minus: nothing at all?
[12:49] <Tm_T> All black? No kubuntu-logo?
[12:49] <B-Minus> Tm_T: well i see kubuntu logo + progress bar but no more text
[12:49] <B-Minus> :(
[12:49] <Johnsandman> still no packages available for amd 64 :-((
[12:49] <Tm_T> B-Minus: That's how it's meant to be.
[12:49] <rlj> Tm_T: my ETA is maybe 5 hours
[12:49] <rlj> Tm_T: hopefully not much more than that
[12:49] <B-Minus> Tm_T: hmmz :((( well the bootup takes much longer now so there is something wrong, i want to figure out what
[12:50] <Tm_T> B-Minus: Then in grub, edit that bootline and remove "quiet" from there.
[12:50] <B-Minus> Tm_T: tnx
[12:50] <Tm_T> B-Minus: Or remove it directly from menu.list
[12:51] <xsacha> how many people here use lilo?
[12:51] <B-Minus> i removed it from the menu.list
[12:51] <Johnsandman> when are all servers working still have no working main.archive here for downloading :|
[12:51] <Tm_T> xsacha: Some who are more used to it.
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> I did, damn kubuntu installer replaced it with grub without giving me any options.
[12:52] <xsacha> i know eh morgan lol
[12:52] <xsacha> i knew it wouldnt know how to set up grub.. i rebooted and "Grub Loading" -- never loaded..
[12:52] <xsacha> so straight back and install lilo :)
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> Well, grub works just fine for me, I just miss my graphical boot.
[12:53] <maverick> !edgy
[12:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> It sure was purdee
[12:53] <xsacha> i think it expects it is the only linux OS on the hard drive or something
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> It didn't seem to want to recognize slackware 10.2 on the seccond partition
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> Ended up just running kubuntu, even though I wanted to keep slack as well.
[12:54] <xsacha> it didnt recognise any partition but kubuntu for me
[12:54] <Johnsandman> does anyone know ehn the servers are fully update for downloading am64 files like firefox and so on :|
[12:55] <rlj> is there a list of official deb mirrors for edgy? (up to date :))
[12:55] <morghanphoenix> Glad I wasn't dual booting windows, probably would've had a heart attack, poor little grub.
[12:55] <xsacha> firefox 2.0 has been on amd64 repository since about 2-3 days ago
[12:55] <rlj> the main archive.ubuntu.com isn't really that quick...
[12:55] <Johnsandman> xsacha i think more files too :|
[12:56] <xsacha> only thing i havent been able to find is wine :P but i wouldnt want a 64-bit version
[12:57] <B-Minus> anyone know how to make beryl start a few seconds later than it does now ? cause thats giving me probs
[12:57] <xsacha> sleep number? :P
[12:57] <kayle> Is there a way to update kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10 without downloading the whole *iso ane reinstall?
[12:57] <kayle> and*
[12:58] <ziabice> kayle: read the release notes...
[12:58] <Johnsandman> xsacha downloading gaim is not possible for me :| the main archive.nl giving no respons :|
[12:58] <xsacha> ... && sleep 4 && beryl ...
[12:58] <xsacha> no response? :S
[12:58] <xsacha> must be a new thing since edgy released or something, must be getting hammered?
[12:59] <xsacha> got gaim in my list, but dont want to install
[12:59] <Johnsandman> No give only a respons  like this : "Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[12:59] <xsacha> hmm
[01:00] <Johnsandman> more files is not working :| kdenetwork giving break install
[01:00] <Johnsandman> and so on
[01:00] <xsacha> you should have got in early :P
[01:01] <Johnsandman> I think so I am hoping the servers are quick uploaded
[01:02] <javier_> Hello, I'm trying to upgrade to Edgy but I got a problem with the upgrade of xsever-xorg.
[01:02] <wildchild> kubuntu 6.10 up :)
[01:02] <wildchild> but I am asking if there is away to upgrade to the latest version?
[01:03] <wildchild> don't wanna download the whole iso file :S
[01:03] <Johnsandman> thats why I did a new install and use a seperate /home directory so everything is still here to use
[01:03] <morghanphoenix> what do you add to a mount command to make it run for the user instead of root?
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> I don't see it in help, something about unmask=0
[01:05] <morghanphoenix> Can't recall the syntax though
[01:05] <Tristan_> guys, I have a problem after upgrading. I can get up to my login session screen but I can't start any session. Neither KDe, nor gnome, nor Xgl
[01:05] <javier_> Any idea about how to solve the xserver-xorg upgrading problem?
[01:06] <momal> javier_: what problem you getting with upgrading? is it trying to remove xserver-xorg? if it is let it then reinstall it after :)
[01:07] <javier_> Tristan: Try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:07] <momal> but if your not real good at using console then i suggest you don't do it
[01:07] <Tristan_> javier_, no because I have no problem with xorg. Else I couldn't see the session manager I thik
[01:08] <javier_> I cannot remove xserver-xorg, I have a real mess with the dependencies
[01:08] <momal> yea so did i.. I just removed it and then put on kubuntu-desktop after and it reinstalled it :)
[01:10] <javier_> I can't remove it with apt-get. I'm trying with aptitude but it has a lot of problems trying to solve the dependency problem
[01:10] <momal> what happens when you try apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:11] <javier_> It stops when tries to upgrade xserver-xorg
[01:11] <hammer> i'm going to repair my windows installation and it'll overwrite bootsector. How do i set it back to grub?
[01:11] <momal> hammer: slam in a kubuntu cd and boot up and run grub-installer im pretty sure thats the command :)
[01:12] <yacoob> hammer, instead of overwriting MBR, configure grub to be able to boot windows ;)
[01:12] <Johnsandman> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Subproces gzip gaf de foutcode 1 terug is mislukt one fault :|
[01:12] <hammer> yacoob: it is able now. my win installation is broken because of viruses
[01:13] <hammer> yacoob: there's no explorer =)
[01:13] <yacoob> btw, is there any way to mount a network share directly from konqueror?
[01:13] <yacoob> hammer, pretty busted :)
[01:13] <morghanphoenix> does /dev/sda1     /mnt/ext     vfat     defaults     0     0 look right for adding an external hdd to fstab?
[01:14] <yacoob> (wait, I don't have explorer too... litestep :)
[01:14] <morghanphoenix> It won't always be plugged in so I'm not sure it's right.
[01:14] <momal> !upgrade
[01:14] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[01:14] <yacoob> morghanphoenix, add noauto as option
[01:14] <yacoob> and user
[01:14] <morghanphoenix> so like a cdrom
[01:14] <yacoob> first stops filesystem from being mounted at boot, and second allows user to mount
[01:16] <morghanphoenix> hmm, funny, my dvd-rom isn't in fstab either, just the cd-rw.
[01:16] <morghanphoenix> Maybe that's why it's been freezing my system.
[01:17] <javier_> When I 'apt-get dist-upgrade' the system says that I must run 'apt-get -f install'. I do that and I get this error:
[01:17] <morghanphoenix> hdd is secondary slave, right?
[01:17] <javier_> dpkg: error al procesar xserver-xorg (--remove):
[01:17] <javier_>  El paquete est en un estado muy malo e inconsistente - debe reinstalarlo
[01:17] <javier_>  antes de intentar desinstalarlo.
[01:17] <javier_> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
[01:17] <javier_>   what():  basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
[01:17] <javier_> Aborted
[01:18] <momal> please use pastebin... but umm strange never seen error like that... have you tried dpkg -P xserver-xorg | that will remove it then reinstall after
[01:18] <javier_> Part of the error is in Spanish. It says that xserver-xorg is in bad condition or unconsistent, and it should be removed and reinstalled
[01:19] <morghanphoenix> so hdc, primary slave, my dvd isn't here. Can that cause problems?
[01:19] <javier_> I'm sorry. It's my first, maybe second, time in IRC
[01:20] <javier_> After 'dpkg -P xserver-xorg', it says again that xserver-xorg is in bad condition
[01:22] <prodigy7> hi
[01:23] <prodigy7> can someone tell me how i can get an kde default desktop on kubuntu ?
[01:24] <xsacha> the entire desktop? or the wallpaper?
[01:25] <prodigy7> entire desktop (recycle bin, workplace, device icons)
[01:26] <Jucato> KDE doesn't put those icons on the desktop by default. (GNOME does...)
[01:26] <prodigy7> when i enable the option "show devices", it has no effect
[01:26] <prodigy7> Jucato: but on other distris i've for example the recycle bin and workplace icon on the desktop ... also the function "show devices" works and show me the device icons
[01:27] <Jucato> I thought you were asking for KDE default desktop? the default desktop is clean. anyway. device icons... by default,if you enable device icons, only mounted devices show on the desktop.
[01:28] <chupa> hi 2 all
[01:28] <Jucato> you can check stuff on the checklist (configure Desktop -> Behavior)
[01:28] <Tristan_> guys, I have a problem after upgrading. I can get up to my login session screen but I can't start any session. Neither KDe, nor gnome, nor Xgl. but, if I use the command line and do a startx i'm logged onto gnome. Anyone can help me?
[01:28] <prodigy7> Jucato: When i enable the "show device" option, it has no effect .......
[01:29] <Jucato> no effect? have you tried inserting a CD?
[01:29] <prodigy7> When i enable, that mounted partitions should be shown, it should shown the partitions, or?
[01:29] <Jucato> prodigy7: although I can't seem to make my HDD also show on the desktop...
[01:30] <Jucato> hm.. this might be a bug...
[01:30] <prodigy7> I've this behaviour on kubuntu drapper and edgy
[01:31] <prodigy7> and if i enable this option, an icon for an unmounted device should also be shown, or?
[01:31] <Jucato> prodigy7: I think it's a KDE bug starting since 3.5.3
[01:31] <prodigy7> hm - ok
[01:31] <Jucato> I'm searching for the bug report, but I think it is a bug
[01:31] <oswaldo> #kubuntu-es
[01:32] <chupa> i have just installed edgy and im proud of it
[01:32] <maverick> wheni try to update to edgy throught the konsole (sudo aptitude dist-upgrade) after changing all the dapper to edgy in my sources list file
[01:32] <maverick> after sometime the konsole exits
[01:33] <chupa> whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[01:33] <maverick> cani upgrade throught adept by doing full upgrade???
[01:33] <jacob> hello
[01:34] <root> hola hermanos
[01:34] <maverick> any help??
[01:34] <root> me gustaria saber como puedo recuperar la contrasea de root
[01:34] <Tristan_> !es
[01:34] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:36] <prodigy7> Jucato: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/66110
[01:38] <CVirus> !smp
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <CVirus> Isnt there an SMP kernel for edgy !?
[01:38] <CVirus> !HT
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about HT - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <Tm_T> CVirus: Like -generic ?
[01:39] <joro_> is there a way to limit the dl speed of apt-get ?
[01:39] <Jucato> prodigy7: interesting... conflicting experiences.. I haven't tried restarting X to check, though
[01:39] <CVirus> Tm_T: the generic one supports SMP ?
[01:39] <Ace2016> Hi all
[01:39] <Ace2016> are the plf repos down?
[01:39] <Tm_T> CVirus: I think so.
[01:40] <CVirus> Tm_T: okay .. will try
[01:40] <prodigy7> Jucato: I checked it ... an restart doesn't change the situation
[01:40] <Ace2016> for some reason opendns keep redirecting me to their search page
[01:40] <Tristan_> no one can help?
[01:41] <prodigy7> ahhh -> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127971
[01:42] <Ace2016> Can anyone go to here ok?    http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/
[01:43] <yacoob> joro_, there is
[01:43] <yacoob> joro_, use trickle for that
[01:43] <osh_> Ace2016: No connection to that page.
[01:43] <yacoob> joro_, http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/net/trickle
[01:43] <joro_> no other way ?
[01:43] <yacoob> and you use it like: trickle -d 30 apt-get
[01:43] <joro_> ok i'll try that
[01:44] <cartman> hi, can someone dcc me their /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules ?
[01:44] <yacoob> joro_, I think you can limit speed with some of the ways of accessing repositories, but frankly speaking, I never was interested in that, having trickle :D
[01:44] <joro_> or sysadmin will kick me for updating to Edgy :)
[01:44] <Ace2016> osh_: Thanks
[01:44] <osh_> Ace2016: NP.
[01:45] <cartman> n m
[01:45] <Gecko> Hey there. I just upgraded a new dapper install to edgy, and I can't start X. I am sure this is a known problem, but I can't really surf the forums using links/lynx, can anyone tell me how to fix it? I get AUDIT errors with X client rejected from server
[01:48] <javier_> It seems that Ubuntu has a big problem with distro upgrades and the X :-(
[01:49] <swoopix> hi
[01:50] <swoopix> wird hier english oder deutsch gesprochen?
[01:50] <Gecko> English
[01:50] <Gecko> javier_: any way to fix it?
[01:50] <osh_> !de
[01:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:50] <swoopix> thx ^^
[01:50] <prodigy7> javier_: my update runs without any problem ... but i also find, that the distro upgrade instruction is problematic - the upgrade should be done in the text console and not in the kconsole window
[01:51] <javier_> I don't know any solution :-(
[01:51] <javier_> Bye, I'll try in the text console
[01:52] <Gecko> Hmm, I might have figured it out, let's find out in a second :)
[01:53] <maverick> gecko:
[01:53] <Gecko> maverick: yes, I got it
[01:54] <maverick> gecko: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xsever-xorg
[01:54] <Gecko> maverick: how about apt-get install xserver-org
[01:54] <Gecko> :D
[01:54] <Gecko> That did the trick
[01:54] <maverick> gecko: or if ur driver is nvidia , try  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:54] <Gecko> I got X now, so I'm leaving this terminal
[01:54] <maverick> this shud solve the issue
[01:54] <Gecko> bye
[01:55] <osh_> !pastebin
[01:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:56] <osh_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28642/ <- can someone explain this. Running the script produces these errors. Running the commands one at a time produces no error.
[01:57] <Gecko> Wow, the new kubuntu desktop is very shiny :)
[01:57] <yacoob> *glean*
[01:58] <maverick> gecko: did u update through the konsole??
[01:58] <maverick> gecko sudo aptitude dist-upgrade??
[01:59] <morghanphoenix> !fglrx
[01:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:59] <Gecko> maverick: relax, I got all the problems solved
[02:00] <yacoob> Gecko, that's what YOU think :D
[02:00] <mohanm> i have kubuntu iso image, is it possible to boot directly from the iso image (ie without burning to a CD) ?
[02:00] <Gecko> yacoob: well, I've been running linux long enough to solve most problems :) also long enough to create other problems
[02:01] <angasule> !encoding
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encoding - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <Gecko> brb, testing nvidia
[02:01] <yacoob> Gecko, Murphy lurks.
[02:01] <yacoob> :)
[02:02] <maverick> gecko: am asking for my own knowledge
[02:02] <Gecko> yacoob: He always does :)
[02:02] <maverick> gecko: as when i upgrade the konsoles exits automatically after sometime of prgress
[02:02] <zorda_> omg
[02:02] <zorda_> im still here
[02:02] <zorda_> ?
[02:03] <yacoob> btw, yesterday I looked at nicely sorted out videos in konqueror, and I decided that YES, it's more convenient than looking at ls -l output... :)
[02:03] <maverick> !aiglx
[02:03] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[02:03] <maverick> !xgl
[02:03] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:07] <luistomas> hello, i am new in kubuntu, i need to install mozilla firefox, can anyone help me?
[02:07] <franjesus> luistomas: sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:08] <franjesus> luistomas: or use adept, in the k-menu
[02:08] <InteliWasp> !firefox
[02:08] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:09] <franjesus> InteliWasp: kool :D
[02:09] <reon> what happened to the k7 kernel images, part of generic now ?
[02:10] <GNAM> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qtparted/+bug/48055
[02:10] <GNAM> this is my bug
[02:10] <InteliWasp> i could answer but i'm still updating
[02:11] <InteliWasp> and watching my computer self destruct because i goofed on the comands
[02:11] <luistomas> luistomas@luistomas-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:11] <luistomas> Reading package lists... Done
[02:11] <luistomas> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:11] <luistomas> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:11] <luistomas> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:11] <luistomas> is only available from another source
[02:11] <luistomas> However the following packages replace it:
[02:11] <luistomas>   libnss3
[02:11] <luistomas> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[02:11] <luistomas> that's my problem
[02:12] <franjesus> luistomas: check that your /etc/apt/sources.list is correct
[02:12] <franjesus> and run apt-get update
[02:13] <InteliWasp> use adept
[02:14] <InteliWasp> it's like mozilla-firefox or something along those lines
[02:15] <maverick> luistomas: firefox through repos are not installable
[02:15] <Jucato> (enable the main repos)
[02:15] <maverick> go to firefox website itself
[02:15] <Jucato> maverick: is that confirmed?
[02:15] <maverick> noe
[02:16] <maverick> nope not confirmed but tried
[02:16] <zorda_> Hey can i ask sometihng?
[02:16] <zorda_> How can i fix a messed up sudo?
[02:16] <zorda_> I can put in the command
[02:16] <zorda_> But i get a password blank
[02:16] <zorda_> And i cant type my pass
[02:17] <RawSewage> ?
[02:17] <Jucato> zorda_: are you sure you can't? sudo doesn't display the characters that you type
[02:17] <franjesus> zorda_: you mean you see no ***** when you type
[02:17] <franjesus> that's fine
[02:17] <franjesus> just go ahead and type
[02:17] <zorda_> No i dont
[02:17] <zorda_> Really?
[02:17] <luistomas> ok, I download firefox-2.0.tar.gz from firefox site, what i have to do now?
[02:17] <franjesus> yes
[02:17] <Jucato> zorda_: yes.just type in your password and press Enter
[02:17] <zorda_> Ok thabnks
[02:17] <zorda_> Thanks
[02:18] <RawSewage> luistomas,  why not upgrade to Edgy
[02:18] <Jucato> maverick: I can install firefox just fine from the repositories
[02:18] <jerre> i installed firefox now..i  could not browse the internet,while i could browse in konqueror
[02:18] <jerre> could any one help me out
[02:19] <maverick> jucato: well i get the same msg as luistomas
[02:20] <maverick> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:20] <xsacha> oh...my....god... http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/ny1.jpg  LOOKOUT!
[02:20] <xsacha> ie invasion
[02:20] <RawSewage> maverick, enable multiverse
[02:20] <RawSewage> !mutiverse | maverick
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mutiverse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <RawSewage> !multiverse | maverick
[02:20] <ubotu> maverick: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:21] <oliver> view > manage repositories
[02:21] <xsacha> bot cant detect typos :(
[02:21] <oliver> in adept
[02:21] <maverick> it's enabled
[02:21] <RawSewage> no it isnt
[02:21] <oliver> try updating it
[02:21] <escola> algum ai sabe falar portugues????????????
[02:22] <Lynoure> !pt
[02:22] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:22] <maverick> well, it's enabled and updated....
[02:22] <franjesus> i love this ubotu thingie
[02:22] <franjesus> very nice
[02:22] <maverick> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe
[02:22] <escola> eu to de zuao....
[02:23] <escola> eu sei falar ingles....
[02:23] <RawSewage> maverick, multiverse
[02:23] <maverick> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse
[02:23] <Jucato> RawSewage: firfox is in main
[02:23] <maverick> as well
[02:23] <RawSewage> oh sorry
[02:23] <Kubuntu> Jucato: Allo
[02:23] <Jucato> hi
[02:24] <Jucato> maverick: main is enabled?
[02:24] <Kubuntu> Jucato: What's up with the Tags in the repos?
[02:24] <Jucato> maverick: I'm also presuming you're on Edgy?
[02:24] <Jucato> Kubuntu: what tags?
[02:24] <escola> hi
[02:24] <Kubuntu> Hi
[02:25] <Jucato> !pt | escola
[02:25] <ubotu> escola: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:25] <Kubuntu> :-)
[02:25] <[GuS] > Bonjour..
[02:25] <Kubuntu> Jucato: Code monkey :)
[02:25] <Jucato> I'm so tempted to !fr [GuS]   :P
[02:25] <Kubuntu> !fr > [GuS] 
[02:25] <[GuS] > Jucato, is my way to say hi........
[02:25] <Jucato> [GuS] : I know :)
[02:26] <[GuS] > Jucato, i know that you know :P
[02:26] <Jucato> and seems like Kubuntu took me literally :P
[02:26] <escola> is there someone who may speak with me???????
[02:26] <Kubuntu> The tags that adept uses at the side :)
[02:26] <[GuS] > yeah lol
[02:26] <maverick> am not on edgy am on dapper right now but am ugrading at this moment so my list is edgy like
[02:26] <Kubuntu> !someone
[02:26] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:26] <maverick> anyway i have firefox installed from the source...not big deal
[02:26] <Genix|linux> how do i unrar a file with unrar-free
[02:27] <Kubuntu> !ask > escola
[02:27] <Jucato> Kubuntu: they're called debtags, and Debian's the one that started them, and I don't know how to use them :P
[02:27] <Kubuntu> Jucato: They suck!
[02:27] <Jucato> Kubuntu: don't tell me. tell Debian
[02:27] <Jucato> they're not blog tags, btw
[02:27] <Jucato> Genix|linux: you can use Ark to unrar files if unrar-free or unrar is installed
[02:28] <Kubuntu> Yeah But I fail to see how Evolution is Tetris like
[02:28] <Jucato> O_O
[02:28] <oliver> I hate evolution
[02:29] <oliver> ughhh
[02:29] <Jucato> let me check that... that'd be weird though
[02:29] <Kubuntu> I was here with a bunch of children and they wanted to play some games
[02:29] <Kubuntu>  Cool I'll just pop up adept and drag over a Action game tag to get the list of action games
[02:29] <zorda_> hey im geting thsi message when i try to upgrade
[02:29] <zorda_> sudo apt-get update
[02:29] <zorda_> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:29] <zorda_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:30] <zorda_> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:30] <zorda_> that one
[02:30] <Kubuntu> Hmm kubuntu-wallapers and libcupsys... not as exciting as I thought
[02:30] <franjesus> zorda_: first of all
[02:30] <oliver> is dpkg or adept runnning
[02:30] <oliver> or aptitude
[02:30] <Kubuntu> Ok Fine I'll install some tetris games
[02:30] <oliver> if so close them
[02:30] <Kubuntu> Evolution o_0
[02:30] <Kubuntu> Right
[02:30] <franjesus> zorda_: if you don't know how to use the console try to use adept instead
[02:30] <Jucato> Kubuntu: are you sure you dragged it to the "Tags I want"?
[02:30] <Kubuntu> Yeah what do you get?
[02:31] <oliver> import urllib, sgmllib
[02:31] <Kubuntu> A list of games?
[02:31] <oliver> # Get something to work with.
[02:31] <oliver> f = urllib.urlopen("http://www.python.org")
[02:31] <oliver> s = f.read()
[02:31] <oliver> # Try and process the page.
[02:31] <Jucato> Kubuntu: because I'm not getting Evolution
[02:31] <oliver> # The class should have been defined first, remember.
[02:31] <oliver> myparser = MyParser()
[02:31] <oliver> myparser.parse(s)
[02:31] <oliver> # Get the hyperlinks.
[02:31] <oliver> print myparser.get_hyperlinks()
[02:31] <oliver> ahh woops
[02:31] <oliver> I was looking through some python links
[02:31] <Kubuntu> Do you get stuff you expect or weird stuff?
[02:31] <Genix|linux> agh
[02:31] <oliver> I meant to copt some text
[02:31] <Genix|linux> linux is so annoying sometimes
[02:31] <Jucato> Kubuntu: no
[02:32] <Kubuntu> Genix|linux: It's a computer program. That's their place in the cosmos
[02:32] <Jucato> Kubuntu: just make sure you drop it in the "Tags I want"
[02:32] <Kubuntu> Jucato: Yes I am
[02:32] <oliver> franjesus if zorda is getting that error it will still appear if he used adept
[02:32] <Kubuntu> From the All Tab i go to games and chose one and put it in Tags I want
[02:32] <Kubuntu> No other filters changed
[02:32] <zorda_> Oliver can you help?
[02:32] <franjesus> oliver: not really if he only used adept
[02:32] <oliver> all he needs to do is make sure aptitude, adept or dpkg isnt running
[02:32] <Kubuntu> Course my adept is asking to be updated :(
[02:33] <oliver> But until he resolvs it he cant
[02:33] <oliver> Zorda what proceses are running
[02:33] <Jucato> Kubuntu: probably... I'm on Edgy
[02:33] <Kubuntu> Me too
[02:33] <Kubuntu> Adept 2.1 Cruzer ?
[02:34] <Jucato> yeah
[02:34] <oliver> Zorda do ps
[02:34] <franjesus> zorda_: lsof|grep "/var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[02:34] <Kubuntu> Hmm
[02:34] <franjesus> run that to see what is locking dpkg
[02:34] <Kubuntu> Let me try some otehr tags
[02:34] <Jucato> !adept crash fix
[02:34] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:34] <Jucato> zorda_: ^^^^^
[02:35] <franjesus> zorda_: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock is better
[02:35] <momal> edgy has a wine configuration thingo now? was under settings button : O
[02:35] <zorda_> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[02:35] <zorda_> i got that
[02:35] <Jucato> momal: I don't think it made it into edgy
[02:35] <oliver> run dpkg then
[02:36] <momal> hmm i have it though :S
[02:36] <RawSewage> I see it
[02:36] <Jucato> momal: oh? :D
[02:36] <oliver> I found that resolved it for me
[02:36] <momal> Windows Applications (Wine configureation editor)
[02:36] <Jucato> ah
[02:36] <momal> thats what its called :p
[02:36] <Jucato> hm...
[02:36] <RawSewage> It's not in the normal Settings Window
[02:36] <RawSewage> Its in the old Settings menu
[02:36] <RawSewage> If you add Settings to the Start Menu
[02:37] <franjesus> zorda_: try to find out which process it is with lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:37] <zorda_> Didnt do anything
[02:37] <momal> yea i got it from the settings panel icon you can add to kicker
[02:37] <Jucato> franjesus: the database may still be locked whether or not a process is using it *if* apt or adept crashed earlier
[02:38] <Jucato> zorda_: do the commands that ubotu gave
[02:38] <Jucato> !adept crash fix
[02:38] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:38] <Kubuntu> Jucato: ok Under UItoolkit choose the tag SDL and tell me the first three hits you get
[02:38] <Jucato> momal: under what group?
[02:38] <zorda_> ok that did nothing
[02:38] <momal> last one system administration
[02:39] <Jucato> zorda_: try running adept or apt-get again, it should be unlocked now
[02:39] <zorda_> what the hell is wrong with it?
[02:39] <Jucato> Kubuntu: hold on...
[02:39] <Kubuntu> Sure
[02:39] <Jucato> Kubuntu: gcompris, gcompris-data, gcompris-sound-da
[02:40] <zorda_> umm i got a >
[02:40] <zorda_> on my prompt
[02:41] <eljefedelito> has anyone run an apt-get dist-upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10?  Good results or bad?
[02:41] <Kubuntu> Jucato: ok I'm getting Edgy-communnity-wallpapers, edgy-gdm-themes, edgy-session-splashscreen
[02:41] <Kubuntu> Me thinks that perhaps Adept is messing u
[02:41] <Kubuntu> +p
[02:41] <Jucato> zorda_: er.. Ctrl+C (to get back to the regular prompt" then enter the command "sudo dpkg --configure -a" (without the quotes)
[02:42] <Jucato> Kubuntu: well it's giving me sensible results... so it might be messing with you
[02:42] <eljefedelito> has anyone run an apt-get dist-upgrade to Edgy?
[02:43] <momal> yes i have
[02:43] <zorda_> i got > again
[02:44] <oliver> try killing adept then use apt instead
[02:44] <Jucato> zorda_: it means that you left a " or a ' hanging somwhere
[02:44] <momal> but had lots probs with dist-upgrade it seems to kill off a few packages so unless you know how to use console and want to do alot of messing around (only if you have bad luck like me :p) prob not best to use it :p
[02:44] <Kubuntu> Jucato: Ok I'll investigate further
[02:45] <Kubuntu> Not like HP further
[02:45] <Kubuntu> But ..ya know .. Reiser like further
[02:45] <zorda_> its not working again
[02:46] <The_Worst> hi
[02:46] <zorda_> so what the hell is the point of it? no file support no games no nothing secpt a hack box
[02:47] <The_Worst> does kubuntu support .deb files?
[02:47] <oliver> yes
[02:47] <zorda_> yes
[02:47] <oliver> its the main package managements it uses
[02:47] <Kubuntu> Yes I do
[02:48] <The_Worst> i can only open them with ark
[02:48] <zorda_> wil some one give me a ponit to stay on lunix?
[02:48] <oliver> dpkg -i <package>
[02:48] <zorda_> othere then I HAVE TO HAVE IT ON FOR  I CANT BOOT WINDOWS!?!?!?
[02:48] <RawSewage> zorda_, no
[02:49] <oliver> The worst do sudo dpkg -i <package>
[02:49] <MenZa> zorda_: I could name plenty, but if that's your attitude, I'm not going to.
[02:49] <zorda_> Please do
[02:49] <The_Worst> il try, thx
[02:49] <zorda_> I need some
[02:49] <DrCurl> hi
[02:49] <eljefedelito> zorda if you can't boot windows why blame linux?
[02:50] <DrCurl> whenever I wanna use wallpaper inside pager, it doesn't apply to every viewports... is there a way to fix this?
[02:50] <The_Worst> it worked :D
[02:50] <zorda_> becouse of the danm boot screnn i get from ubunto
[02:50] <oliver> Whenever "linux messes up" its normally not linux  but the user
[02:50] <The_Worst> another question, root is owner of the folder Desktop is that normal ?
[02:50] <oliver> *virtually always the user
[02:50] <zorda_> to boot i have too move donw to windows
[02:50] <Jucato> DrCurl: it's a KDE bug, I think
[02:50] <zorda_> and if i take lunix off
[02:50] <oliver> Nope you are the owner of desktop
[02:51] <zorda_> i cant boot!
[02:51] <cpk2> oliver: LIES! there is no such thing as user error!
[02:51] <zorda_> ..........
[02:51] <RawSewage> zorda_, thats GRUB
[02:51] <zorda_> GRUB?
[02:51] <DrCurl> Jucato, you think I should submit it? or is it already...
[02:51] <oliver> I mean yhe person using it
[02:51] <Jucato> DrCurl: already known, afaik
[02:51] <eljefedelito> zorda_ reasons to use linux: security; standards; openness of code; speed of improvements; GPL license; hard-to-Trojan attack....
[02:51] <oliver> *the person using it not the user package
[02:52] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB
[02:52] <oliver> dont forget scalability
[02:52] <zorda_> Security? hah
[02:53] <RawSewage> no
[02:53] <zorda_> i cant oprate in it and you have to reead a big ass book of code that youll never use to use it
[02:53] <oliver> No you dont
[02:54] <RawSewage> zorda_, Linux will be bigger than Windows
[02:54] <zorda_> Will
[02:54] <lab> eai mulherada
[02:54] <zorda_> once they get game and file support
[02:54] <oliver> Zorda I installed linux yesterday on a 12 year old girls computer
[02:54] <oliver> and even she can use it
[02:54] <RawSewage> zorda_, yes, game support sucks now
[02:54] <eljefedelito> zorda go to a "console" and type "sudo su" (no quotes).  then type (in Kubuntu) 'kate' or (in Ubuntu) 'abiword'  When the program opens, open the file located in /boot/grub/menu.lst  This is the list that comes up when you boot.  Windows will be near the bottom, but you can copy/paste to to the top if you prefer.  Careful, you are running as ROOT!!! so any changes or mistakes you make are your issues, not myne! ;)
[02:55] <eljefedelito> And please read it a bit first; 'near the top' means at the top of the LIST, not the top of the File.
[02:55] <RawSewage> Linux will never get a large market share until it resolves the game support issue
[02:56] <oliver> I never play games
[02:56] <zorda_> And file support
[02:56] <RawSewage> me either
[02:56] <RawSewage> nothing wrong with file support
[02:56] <eljefedelito> i read yesterday that *Ubuntu has over taken OS-X!  Wow, I knew Linux was bigger than OS-X, but one distro!?  Sweet action!
[02:56] <RawSewage> what are you talking about
[02:56] <zorda_> Lets make a list of file with a check list
[02:56] <eljefedelito> i also never play games...
[02:56] <oliver> I find the file support great
[02:56] <eljefedelito> ok list the files zorda
[02:56] <zorda_> so you can put mp3 with glowing red warning but you can get it with a few clicks
[02:57] <oliver> I personally prefer freebsd and openbsd to linux...
[02:57] <The_Croup> hi, since you talking about support where do i get some more support for kubuntu
[02:57] <oliver> byt they will never get huge
[02:57] <oliver> try this irc channel
[02:57] <The_Croup> my sound  is working when in OS but not for any mp3 or anything like that
[02:57] <RawSewage> The_Croup, the Ubuntu forums are good
[02:57] <zorda_> i cant even open my pics or muisc here
[02:57] <eljefedelito> its called a license, and mp3 isn't an opensource project.  Yes you can play mp3s but, without paying the license fee, its not fully legal
[02:58] <oliver> try easyubuntu
[02:58] <oliver> it install mp3 codecs etc for you
[02:58] <zorda_> I know
[02:58] <RawSewage> what pictures?
[02:58] <zorda_> i cant understand the codacs
[02:58] <oliver> Im guessing ... porn
[02:58] <RawSewage> what filetype
[02:58] <zorda_> Some of it but i really want my muisc
[02:58] <oliver> :)
[02:58] <zorda_> mp3 i want that
[02:59] <RawSewage> ??
[02:59] <RawSewage> pictures work fine
[02:59] <RawSewage> mp3 works fine
[02:59] <oliver> easyubuntu isntall the codecs for you
[02:59] <zorda_> I cant get isos
[02:59] <RawSewage> divx, xvid, etc all work fine
[02:59] <oliver> I have never had a problem with pictures. Ever
[02:59] <Kubuntu> oliver: No porn?
[02:59] <oliver> You can get some good quality sound codecs on sourceforge
[03:00] <RawSewage> only open source porn
[03:00] <oliver> lol :)
[03:00] <zorda_> Hmm
[03:00] <zorda_> You guys tring to band me for saing the s word but your talking about porn
[03:00] <cpk2> ugh you dont need to use easyubuntu to get codecs
[03:00] <oliver> TBO I dont actually look at porn. You seen it one youve practically seen it all
[03:00] <prodigy7> if the clothes aren't open, it wouldn't be a porn or ? :)
[03:00] <eljefedelito> or try Automatix2 read about it here http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation
[03:00] <cpk2> especially since kubuntu just needs to do libxine-extracodecs basically
[03:01] <oliver> Unless they give the design out
[03:01] <RawSewage> well...  enabling multiverse could be easier
[03:01] <RawSewage> having to manually type in multiverse after universe is an unnecessary pain, imo
[03:01] <Kubuntu> oliver: The important part is if we all participate we make it better for everyone
[03:01] <oliver> I am just waiting for an open source ferrari licensed  under gpl
[03:01] <The_Croup> cheers oliver that looks promessing
[03:02] <Kubuntu> oliver: You just want to download it for free :-P
[03:02] <RawSewage> what about an Audi
[03:02] <oliver> lol
[03:02] <oliver> or a 7 series
[03:02] <eljefedelito> zorda people who use linux tend to like it.  if you want to complain, just stop using it.  plenty of windows in the world for you to mess up.
[03:03] <RawSewage> zorda_, but as long as youre talking about music...  Windows doesnt have Amarok
[03:03] <eljefedelito> and maan daily i love Amarok more!
[03:03] <Kubuntu> eljefedelito: He was just aksing for points for Linux. is that so hard?
[03:03] <eljefedelito> true its not, but he was going off about its lack of security, lack of this, that...
[03:03] <Kubuntu> Assuming that zorda_ is male :)
[03:04] <Kubuntu> OH I missed that
[03:04] <eljefedelito> he wasn't "asking" he was grating me :(
[03:04] <Kubuntu> zorda_: lack of security?
[03:04] <eljefedelito> but you're right, be the bigger person (assuming either of us is a person ;)
[03:04] <Kubuntu> It gets harder to do that every day :(
[03:05] <twosouls82> am I the only one who isn't able to start firefox since the upgrade to Edgy?
[03:05] <twosouls82> *** stack smashing detected ***
[03:06] <oliver> If all else fails to a fakeroot into a dir then copy or symlink it to /usr/bin
[03:06] <oliver> That way you get the best of binary and source
[03:07] <The_Croup> looks like there are some errors to the easyubuntu install
[03:07] <oliver> Yeah it hasnt been very stable lately
[03:07] <oliver> Have you istalled tyhe public keyu it was on about
[03:09] <oliver> Man I need a new keyboard
[03:10] <oliver> The Croup what are the errors
[03:11] <pete> I just upgraded to Edgy from dapper and everything seems ok except for fonts, they are really bad
[03:12] <RawSewage> pete, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:12] <pete> emacs won't even show text and the GUI in general looks fuzzier
[03:12] <RawSewage> oh
[03:12] <xsacha> d/l fonts?
[03:12] <pete> ok
[03:12] <pete> But that shouldn't affect emacs
[03:13] <Dasnipa`> 'e'ffect
[03:13] <RawSewage> no
[03:13] <RawSewage> affect
[03:13] <pete> are you sure?
[03:13] <pete> its affect
[03:13] <oliver> affect is theverb
[03:13] <oliver> effect is the noun
[03:13] <Dasnipa`> theres a joke in there but its too early
[03:13] <pete> You affect something.  The efects are what happens.
[03:13] <pete> exactly oliver
[03:14] <Dasnipa`> i was making a joke, not correcting english
[03:14] <RawSewage> an eMac joke?
[03:14] <Dasnipa`> yeah essentially
[03:14] <oliver> yeah
[03:14] <The_Worst> i have installed 'keepassx' with a .dep file, and now it says that can't find 'libpng.so.3' but libpng12-0 is installed
[03:14] <oliver> emphasising the e
[03:14] <The_Croup> hey that easyubuntu generated some errors and then it dissapeared, i cannot run it from anywhere
[03:14] <The_Croup> any ideas
[03:14] <pete> Anyway, how can I get the emacs fonts back?
[03:14] <oliver> speaking o e
[03:14] <RawSewage> I dont know anything about Macs
[03:14] <oliver> *of
[03:14] <pete> Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font
[03:14] <oliver> Enlightenment is immense
[03:15] <pete> That's pretty clear, but I don't see any packages for iso fonts
[03:15] <Dasnipa`> had something to do with the adverb of emacs is an imac
[03:15] <xsacha> iso is just the standard
[03:15] <xsacha> just look for fonts in adept
[03:15] <pete> wtf is adept?
[03:15] <Dasnipa`> pete, adepts is a package manager
[03:15] <oliver> its a apt front end
[03:15] <xsacha> apt-cache or aptitude or whatever you use
[03:15] <pete> better than synpatic?
[03:15] <xsacha> basically identical
[03:15] <pete> I'm a gentoo guy usually, so all these GUI tools are new to me
[03:16] <xsacha> synaptic is.. arguably a tidbit better
[03:16] <oliver> I am a freebsd guy
[03:16] <DrCurl> pete, adept has strange gui but it works
[03:16] <oliver> so we are along the same lines
[03:16] <oliver> Go portage
[03:16] <pete> yeah, portage rocks
[03:16] <pete> I miss it
[03:16] <xsacha> im a crux guy, so yeah..
[03:16] <pete> I just don't have the time to reinstall gentoo
[03:16] <pete> and kubuntu has been working ok
[03:16] <iapitus> pete, i feel ya
[03:17] <oliver> I tried to install it on a 600 mhz pc with 128mb ram
[03:17] <pete> Although kubuntu 64 sucks, you guys have a lot of catching up to do
[03:17] <pete> catching up to gentoo that is, suse and fedora 64 aren't much better
[03:17] <xsacha> im on kubuntu64 right now, what's wrong? :O
[03:17] <oliver> It took ages
[03:17] <The_Croup> hey how do you run this thing (easyubuntu)
[03:17] <pete> Ther eis NO support for 32-bit packages
[03:17] <oliver> wget http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu-3.023.tar.gz
[03:17] <oliver> tar -zxf easyubuntu-3.023.tar.gz
[03:17] <oliver> cd easyubuntu
[03:17] <oliver> sudo python easyubuntu.in
[03:17] <xsacha> yes there is
[03:17] <xsacha> d/l linux32 in adept
[03:17] <The_Croup> did that already
[03:17] <pete> there is, but its bs
[03:17] <oliver> copy that ito the terminal
[03:17] <The_Croup> did that
[03:18] <exhale> The_Croup: it says how to on the website
[03:18] <iapitus> just out of curiosity - is the kubuntu-amd64-desktop-6.10 iso just a livecd in the vein of gentoo? (drops you to a shell and leaves you swinging?) or do i have a problem of some sort to deal with?
[03:18] <pete> there's no mplayer-bin package
[03:18] <xsacha> it works perfectly fine.. running firefox 2.0 in linux32 as well as wine
[03:18] <oliver> then it should come u with a gui where you have to select what you want
[03:18] <pete> you have to do it all manually or thought third party repos
[03:18] <xsacha> neither
[03:18] <oliver> press ok
[03:18] <exhale> iapitus: its a live cd with a graphical installer. if you want text install get the alternate iso
[03:18] <The_Croup> no no , after the sudo python easyubuntu, i cannot find it anywhere
[03:18] <xsacha> linxu32 is in official repos
[03:18] <xsacha> linux*
[03:18] <pete> Seriously, try gentoo 64, its freaking awesome with respect to 32-bit compatability like flash, mplayer, firefox, java, etc
[03:18] <iapitus> ah - when i boot it just leaves me at a shell that says "man sudo_root"
[03:18] <The_Croup> its not running neither from terminal
[03:18] <xsacha> and so is wine and firefox2.0
[03:18] <The_Croup> any ideas
[03:19] <oliver> its sudo easyubuntu.in
[03:19] <pete> You can do it all in kubuntu, but its not as effortless
[03:19] <xsacha> i have flash, mplayer, firefox and java on kubuntu64 in half an hour :S
[03:19] <oliver> *sudo python easyubuntu.in
[03:19] <cpk2> why even bother with easyubuntu??
[03:19] <pete> xsascha, right, that's 29 minutes too much
[03:19] <The_Croup> it generated some mistakes but after sudo python easy , it dissappered
[03:19] <exhale> i never really cared about 64bit because to me its all a hassle, do you gain much performance?
[03:19] <pete> exhale: I think you do
[03:19] <pete> exhale: especially with multimedia
[03:19] <cpk2> exhale: considering most people dont program for 64bit, no
[03:20] <exhale> pete: from the win32 benchmarks it justs better for encoding videos and stuff like that
[03:20] <iapitus> exhale, it depends on what you're doing
[03:20] <oliver> what do you disappeared
[03:20] <pete> exhale: this isn't win32
[03:20] <xsacha> lol
[03:20] <The_Croup> well if i try easyubuntu from the terminal it doesnt run
[03:20] <exhale> pete: true, but i havnt seen any 64 benchmarks under linux
[03:20] <exhale> The_Croup: what does it say?
[03:20] <The_Croup> and its not anywhere in gui
[03:20] <xsacha> maybe didnt look
[03:20] <pete> exhale: it FEELS faster to me
[03:20] <The_Croup> nothing
[03:20] <xsacha> yeah it certainly does feel faster, but apparently not much diff
[03:20] <The_Croup> just after the sudo python easysubuntu
[03:20] <exhale> pete: ok.. well my kde desktop is already blazing fast :p
[03:21] <The_Croup> needed a password
[03:21] <pete> xsascha: yes, I agree its not night and day
[03:21] <exhale> easyubunti.IN
[03:21] <The_Croup> gave the password
[03:21] <The_Croup> then nothing
[03:21] <exhale> oh
[03:21] <iapitus> so anyway - is it my ati card that cause me to be left sitting at a shell on bootup of the install-cd?
[03:21] <The_Croup> nothing happened
[03:21] <oliver> define nothing
[03:21] <exhale> The_Croup: you cant run X programs from sudo in kubuntu, replace sudo with kdesu
[03:21] <The_Croup> return to $
[03:21] <oliver> did it come up with a $
[03:21] <oliver> exhale you can
[03:22] <exhale> oliver: i cant
[03:22] <The_Croup> yep
[03:22] <oliver> I can
[03:22] <xsacha> unless it is in konsole
[03:22] <The_Croup> nooooooooooooooooooo bak to the shell
[03:22] <exhale> yea, konsole its what im talking about
[03:22] <exhale> regardless, try with kdesu instead of sudo
[03:22] <The_Croup> it went back to the shell
[03:22] <xsacha> well you use sudo in konsole
[03:22] <xsacha> kdesu in alt+f2
[03:22] <oliver> I normally rum eterm but I am in kde for a change
[03:23] <oliver> so I run knosole
[03:23] <oliver> *konsole
[03:23] <xsacha> 64-bit linux benchmarks:  http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1747228
[03:23] <xsacha> using gentoo 32-bit and gentoo 64-bit
[03:24] <The_Croup> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:24] <The_Croup> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:24] <The_Croup> thats what i get
[03:24] <xsacha> you have adept open?
[03:24] <RawSewage> try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:24] <oliver> close adept or apt or aptitude
[03:24] <RawSewage> or something
[03:24] <RawSewage> is that the corrrect comman
[03:24] <exhale> does apt have naything to do with launching a python app? :)
[03:24] <exhale> anything*
[03:24] <oliver> it does
[03:24] <spiritz> sudo lsof  /var/lib/dpkg/lock should return which process is using the file
[03:24] <oliver> it uses dpkg t install
[03:24] <exhale> oh.. i forgot it was easyubuntu which uses apt :D
[03:25] <wombat_> can I change the default os and timeout in the bootloader?
[03:25] <RawSewage> is   sudo dpkg --configure -a   correct
[03:25] <oliver> The Croup
[03:25] <The_Croup> right, yes i did forget about that, was open on another desktop
[03:25] <The_Croup> thats
[03:25] <oliver> Do you have adept open
[03:25] <The_Croup> done now
[03:25] <xsacha> by the way, in the benchmarks: pentium 4 did worse as 64-bit in linux than 32-bit while the amd's did much better as 64-bit
[03:25] <The_Croup> very helpfull
[03:25] <exhale> xsacha: you dont say... pentium 4 sucks
[03:25] <_pp> hi
[03:25] <oliver> it dual core 805
[03:26] <exhale> ..k
[03:26] <oliver> *intel
[03:26] <xsacha> but its not that the pentium 4 sucks, but that it's worse in 64-bit than 32-bit :S
[03:26] <angel_> HOLA A TODOS
[03:26] <_pp> kurze frage...wei jemand ob es noch ein repos fr kde 3.5.2 fr breezy gibt?
[03:26] <oliver> I know but they are nice processors
[03:26] <wombat_> anyone?
[03:26] <_pp> weil das im wiki angegebene existiert nicht mehr
[03:26] <VanessaE> !de
[03:26] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:26] <exhale> xsacha: like i said, pentium 4 is the whorst thing intel ever did
[03:26] <exhale> :P
[03:26] <angel_> PA CONSEGUIR RECUPERAR LA CONTRASEA DEL ROOT
[03:26] <xsacha> but then it did better at emerging firefox :P
[03:26] <angel_> PERO NO TENGO CD LIVE
[03:26] <exhale> wtf
[03:26] <Dasnipa`> !es
[03:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:27] <angel_> MUCHAS GRACIAS
[03:27] <oliver> I agree p4 are shite
[03:27] <angel_> POR LO DE EN ESPAOL
[03:27] <xsacha> ogg encoding is far better on 32-bit than 64-bit it seems.. in all cases
[03:27] <exhale> yea.. theres upsides and downsides of 64bit
[03:27] <wombat_> !bootloader
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootloader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <xsacha> same with mencoder
[03:28] <exhale> thats why i never bothered with it :P even though i have an athlon64
[03:28] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:29] <xsacha> oh but 64-bit wins on UT2004 and the amd64s slap the p4 64-bit's..
[03:29] <oliver> Why would anyone buy a sempron
[03:29] <xsacha> cause it's meant to be cheap?
[03:29] <VanessaE> amd64 here as well... 64 bit did do well on some stuff but I went back to 32bit because of the usual 32-bit needs (wine, flash..)
[03:29] <oliver> But you only have to spend that little bit extra..
[03:29] <xsacha> use linux32 for wine,flash, etc VanessaE
[03:30] <VanessaE> tried that, didn't work for me
[03:30] <xsacha> it appears to run just as fast
[03:30] <oliver> Has anyone tried SGI mips processor?
[03:30] <soulrider> does anyone know why java SDK isnt in the repos anymore ?
[03:30] <xsacha> works on everything for me :S
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> oliver: I have used one ? but I don't think ubuntu runs on big endian mips
[03:30] <VanessaE> I might have tried at a bad time then :)
[03:30] <The_Croup> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:30] <The_Croup> error:
[03:30] <The_Croup> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:30] <The_Croup> EasyUbuntu is finished. You may copy this log for debugging purposes.
[03:31] <exhale> how do i get KDE to use well.. uhm a bit difficult to explain.. i want it to use a difference "space" for all program tabs in the other desktop
[03:31] <Tristan> I have a problem : I upgraded to edgy and I can go until the session manager. There whatever session I want to launch it doesn't work. When I boot recovery mode and do a startx I'm logged in into a gnome session. How can I fix my problem?
[03:31] <The_Croup> i get this again from ubuntu this time tho
[03:31] <VanessaE> Croup: did you remember to sudo apt-get... >
[03:31] <VanessaE> ?
[03:31] <soulrider> exhale: i know what you mean
[03:31] <soulrider> so that programs in your taskbars dont mix with other from other keyboards ?
[03:32] <The_Croup> sudo apt-get?! i run easyubuntu then coose stuff and then pressed ok
[03:32] <exhale> soulrider: yea but desktops instead of keyboards :)
[03:32] <soulrider> lol yeah
[03:32] <soulrider> sorry
[03:32] <exhale> gnome does this by default so i took it for granted
[03:32] <exhale> np
[03:32] <soulrider> hang on, i like it that way too
[03:32] <VanessaE> Croup: did you run it as root/sudo?   did you make sure that no other apt utils are running? (like synaptic/adept, etc)
[03:32] <Tristan> should I do a fresh install? I'm a bit disappointed because it almost run
[03:32] <oliver> If they were running it would start
[03:32] <Kennie> hi before i ran 2.6.15-27-686 kernel wich had smp release, the one i just d/led with edgy is 2.16.17-10 but i cant find a smp of it... is ther anyway to get my second core to work?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[03:33] <wombat_> Could someone please help me reconfigure GRUB?
[03:33] <The_Croup>  kdesu python easyubuntu.in
[03:33] <The_Croup> is that enought?
[03:33] <exhale> yea
[03:34] <VanessaE> I suppose it should be, yeah.  well if nothing else is running then you can probably just delete the offending lock file and try again
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> Kennie: How do you know its not working ? are you using -generic ?
[03:34] <Tristan> ok, then I will reformat and do a fresh install
[03:34] <exhale> soulrider: any progess ? :D
[03:34] <soulrider> im looking lol
[03:34] <soulrider> just a sec:P
[03:34] <exhale> thx
[03:34] <soulrider> i like it that way too
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> Kennie: -generic is an smp kernel anyway
[03:35] <Johnsandman> Ophalen:6 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages [1217kB] 
[03:35] <Johnsandman> 99% [6 Packages gzip 0] 
[03:35] <Johnsandman> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[03:35] <The_Croup> its very funny
[03:35] <Johnsandman> so cannot download anything :|
[03:36] <The_Croup> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:36] <The_Croup> Need to get 1599kB of archives.
[03:36] <The_Croup> After unpacking 5743kB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:36] <The_Croup> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[03:36] <yacoob> Johnsandman,  using proxy by any chance?
[03:36] <oliver> Y
[03:36] <The_Croup> after y nothing happens
[03:36] <The_Croup> i can put as many y Y y Y as i want thats it
[03:36] <soulrider> i cant find it lol
[03:36] <Johnsandman> >yacoob> no I am not using proxy
[03:37] <The_Croup> it doesnt return anywhere and it doesnt update anything
[03:37] <soulrider> ahh got it
[03:37] <Johnsandman> the others are working only the main packages not
[03:37] <soulrider> exhale
[03:37] <soulrider> you there ?
[03:37] <exhale> yep
[03:37] <soulrider> k
[03:37] <soulrider> right click in your bar
[03:38] <soulrider> then configure panel
[03:38] <exhale> k
[03:38] <soulrider> now click on the taskbar button
[03:38] <exhale> k
[03:38] <soulrider> and you can see hte checkbox there
[03:38] <exhale> ah
[03:38] <soulrider> show windows froma ll desktops
[03:38] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, I added unix print services to my wife's windows machine,which has the HP printer connected to it, and I'm about to add a printer here in Edgy. I have The printer Wizard dialog page up, and i'm wondering what it means by Host and Queue ?
[03:38] <exhale> great! thanks soulrider
[03:38] <soulrider> no prob! ;)
[03:38] <exhale> why this isnt by default is beyond me
[03:38] <soulrider> yeah
[03:38] <exhale> its really smooth
[03:39] <exhale> if i want to use a partition for backups, say movies and things like that, is it okay to leave it mounted as /media/sda5 for example?
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: depends what it is set to on the windows machine
[03:40] <oliver> I dont know hy the developers didnt just leave it as /mnt
[03:41] <soulrider> how can i report some missing apckages on the repos ?
[03:41] <soulrider> and programs that dont work on edgy anymore
[03:41] <oliver> It catachesme out every time when I go to do cd /mnt/sda1
[03:41] <oliver> *catches
[03:41] <TheGateKeeper> !bugs
[03:41] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:42] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: ^^^^
[03:42] <soulrider> thanks! :D
[03:42] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, computer name ?
[03:42] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: what's not working in edgy?
[03:42] <soulrider> knet
[03:42] <pete> ok, I still can't get fonts working in emacs, this sucks
[03:42] <soulrider> it crashes
[03:42] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: I don't know about how you put it in that wizard (never seen it in my life)
[03:42] <soulrider> and java sdk is missing fromt he repos
[03:42] <pete> especially since emacs is my favorite editor
[03:43] <oliver> I like vi or nano
[03:43] <The_Croup> finally i sorted something out , there was a little catch, something wasnt working as supposed to but sorted now, a good ctrl+c
[03:43] <wombat_> !grub
[03:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: try lpr://192.168.1.2 (or whatever)
[03:43] <wilfred> just installed edgy - gotta say it rocks :-D
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: (or maybe lpd://192.168.1.2 (or whatever the ipaddress is)
[03:43] <Kennie> h3sp4wn : i use -generic, but it only finds 1 core atm
[03:43] <Kennie> instead of 2
[03:44] <oliver> Has anyone tried kde4 yet?
[03:44] <kyaneos> hi
[03:44] <wilfred> oliver: no, it's nowhere near usable yet imo
[03:44] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: #deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main <--- not in there ???
[03:45] <oliver> Whats wrong... is it just really buggy?
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> Kennie: 2 real cores or hyperthreading ?
[03:45] <soulrider> oh my, i didnt knwo aobut that repo
[03:45] <exhale> its not out yet oliver
[03:45] <Kennie> core duo..
[03:45] <Kennie> so 2 cores
[03:45] <oliver> A beta versiion is
[03:45] <oliver> Actually its nowhere near beta
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> Kennie: and /proc/cpuinfo is just a single core
[03:46] <Kennie> yes, before on my old it were 2
[03:46] <alf____> hi
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> Kennie: I am not doubting that (just possible some gui app could just have been reporting it wrong)
[03:46] <soulrider> and no, TheGateKeeper it isnt there
[03:46] <soulrider> i did apt-get update
[03:46] <soulrider> and its still not showing
[03:46] <alf____> does anyone encounter problems with Eclipse EMF diagram since upgrading to edgy ?
[03:47] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories <--- none of these?
[03:47] <Kennie> h3sp4wn well on cat /proc/cpuinfo it only reports 1 cpu atm, instead of 2
[03:47] <soulrider> ok, i didnt know aobut that
[03:47] <soulrider> i allways used easysource
[03:47] <oliver> exhale: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE3To4
[03:47] <soulrider> and it snot updated for edgy
[03:47] <oliver> and since when has been out stopped you
[03:48] <kyaneos_> hi
[03:48] <kyaneos_> i can not install nvidia-glx on edgy
[03:48] <oliver> Or do you just use stable software
[03:48] <trispace> is anyone here using opera9.02?
[03:48] <oliver> Yup
[03:48] <kyaneos_> nvidia-glx: Depends: libglu1-mesa but it is not going to be installed or
[03:48] <kyaneos_>                        libglu1
[03:48] <oliver> Opera and firefox
[03:48] <oliver> Why
[03:48] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: do you use open office?
[03:48] <Johnsandman> cannot get the main archive gzip: stdin: not in gzip format all are working accept the nl.archive
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> Kennie: Try either building your own kernel or report a bug about it
[03:49] <trispace> i'm experiencing a very strange problem. After startup opera crashes with a segmentation fault, after just pressing "n"
[03:49] <siefkencp> hey all... i need some help with samba
[03:49] <Kennie> h3sp4wn : k think thats only solution then
[03:49] <siefkencp> i have the service started and i go to log in through my windows box but it wont let me authenticate
[03:49] <oliver> Sorry but i havenever experienced a problem
[03:49] <ubuntu_Botan> somebody nows how use sniffer
[03:49] <oliver> It alwaysruns wel for me
[03:49] <trispace> oliver: very strange
[03:50] <soulrider> i do TheGateKeeper
[03:50] <soulrider> but i need SDK to develop
[03:50] <soulrider> not just to run applications
[03:50] <siefkencp> any one have some advice on getting me into my box with samba?
[03:50] <trispace> oliver: the funny thing is that pressing any other key has no effect, just pressing "n"
[03:50] <troxor> is there a known issues page for edgy?  after upgrading last night, kdm/X/stuff broke
[03:50] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html
[03:51] <oliver> Have you tried downloading a =n earlier opera
[03:51] <trispace> oliver: ?
[03:51] <oliver> Did you pick the ubuntu version
[03:52] <troxor> siefkencp: http://www.oregontechsupport.com/articles/samba.html
[03:52] <oliver> trispace
[03:52] <trispace> oliver: yes, i downloaded it from operasoftware.com, picked ubuntu dapper
[03:52] <oliver> Have you tried downloading the debian version then
[03:53] <SysFAILURE> excuse me
[03:53] <trispace> oliver: problem solved, it seems that the addess history was broken, i cleared the address history, now it works
[03:53] <SysFAILURE> how can i modify screen resolution?
[03:54] <soulrider> TheGateKeeper: still no java =/
[03:54] <oliver> Good
[03:54] <siefkencp> any one into helping me with my samba problem??
[03:55] <trispace> oliver: however, strange problem :)
[03:55] <siefkencp> I can pay in coffee grinds...
[03:55] <siefkencp> and other miscilanious office junk
[03:55] <SysFAILURE> how can i modify screen resolution?
[03:56] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider:  well from you & others I have so far found out OO is broken but has fixes, Firefox 2 none of the extensions work, knet is broken, java is missing from the repos & it's on 24 hours since they released it
[03:56] <trispace> SysFAILURE: try xrandr
[03:57] <trispace> SysFAILURE: or change the resolution in your X config-file
[03:57] <oliver> Why do you enable java in your browser it comprimises security
[03:57] <soulrider> err
[03:57] <soulrider> thats bad isnt it ?
[03:57] <siefkencp> im guessing im on my own with samba
[03:58] <oliver> Theres a fault in java that allwos website to gain your info
[03:58] <SysFAILURE> trispace, max resolution is 1024*768, actual resolution.. how can i set a more big resolution?
[03:58] <siefkencp> :'-(
[03:58] <trispace> SysFAILURE: do as i said
[03:58] <oliver> the gui way is to go:
[03:59] <oliver> k > system settings > Display
[03:59] <oliver> or you can edit xorg conf
[03:59] <lontra> hi...kmail fails to remember my pop password even though i tell it to and knetworkmanager doesn't remember my wep.  are these known bugs or does anyone know of work arounds?
[03:59] <SysFAILURE> oliver, yes, but max resolution is 1024*768
[04:00] <SysFAILURE> how can i use a more big res.?
[04:00] <lontra> i'm using edgy btw
[04:00] <oliver> You can usually set it higher andit allows you to scroll around the screen
[04:00] <ubuntu_Botan> me tooo
[04:00] <oliver> from the display
[04:01] <lontra> !bugs
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[04:01] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: well it's why I am not upgrading & why I am in all probabilty moving distro
[04:01] <soulrider> leaving ubuntu? :(
[04:01] <soulrider> i tried suse and i didnt quite like it
[04:01] <soulrider> so i came back :)
[04:01] <oliver> RPMs must die
[04:01] <lontra> i've had nothing but problems so far with edgy ... i might move back to debian unstable
[04:02] <SysFAILURE> oliver, max is 1024*768
[04:02] <siefkencp> im thinking about going back to redhat... seems like i cant get samba to work... and they finally upgraded thier lampp stack
[04:03] <lontra> debian unstable was more stable than edgy
[04:03] <oliver> Sysfailur yu can normally go above the max but you have to move yyour mouse of the edge to see the corners
[04:03] <oliver> But if your monitor only goes up to 1027*768 why do you want it go higher
[04:03] <SysFAILURE> oliver, my monitor support max 1280*1024
[04:04] <oliver> O
[04:04] <SysFAILURE> i want 1280*1024, how can i do???
[04:04] <oliver> brb
[04:05] <SysFAILURE> ..
[04:05] <moffa> SysFAILURE - have you tried running dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:05] <oliver> here is a good page
[04:05] <oliver> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html
[04:06] <val3xiv> ..
[04:07] <oliver> SySFAILURE you mighjt aswell read that link as that is how I change my settings
[04:07] <oliver> so all I would do is virtually recite that
[04:08] <oliver> O I didt see he left
[04:10] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, nope nothing works ...I'm really puzzled cuz i had cups working aweek ago and now it's blind too
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Can you print a text file directly to the printer ?
[04:11] <kyaneos> hi
[04:11] <TehUni2> i'm having some trouble with intel 965 video. I've stumble across this page: http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html  and it seems to be what i need, but i dont know how to install thsoe drivers/modules. MESA is compiling now...
[04:11] <kyaneos> i can not install nvidia-glx on edgy
[04:11] <BluesKaj> it doesn't see the printer no matter what set up i try
[04:11] <kyaneos> i have installed libmesaglu
[04:12] <kyaneos> but it sais it is not installed
[04:12] <kyaneos> what can i do?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, it works fine from my windows partition
[04:13] <BluesKaj> on this pc
[04:13] <oliver> how did you try to set it up
[04:14] <Sho_> Hm, anybody else experiencing screen corruption issues on an iBook G4 with a Radeon 9000 in Edgy? Worked fine in Dapper
[04:14] <oliver> Bluesjay there is a gui in system seting for configurig cups.. its really simple
[04:16] <oliver> Bluesjay: k > System Setting > Printers > admin mode > add > add printer class
[04:16] <BluesKaj> oliver, been there done that ...a frustrating number of times
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Read the documentation on technet for print services for unix
[04:17] <BluesKaj> !technet
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about technet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <oliver> If you are trying to print from gimp you need a plugin
[04:18] <pete> got fonts working
[04:18] <oliver> http://localhost:631/
[04:18] <oliver> try from there
[04:18] <pete> the font paths changed from dapper to edgy apparently
[04:19] <The_Croup> what would be a nice c compiler with a gui for kubuntu ?
[04:19] <The_Croup> c c++
[04:20] <franjesus> kdevelop
[04:20] <jucato> kdeve....
[04:20] <jucato> what he said :D
[04:20] <franjesus> compiler g++
[04:20] <pete> eclipse (haha, i'm kiding)
[04:20] <franjesus> gcc
[04:20] <oliver> kdevelop is and ide not a compiler
[04:20] <pete> wtf is a gui compiler then?
[04:20] <oliver> so is eclipse
[04:20] <kyaneos> nvidia-glx: Depends: libglu1-mesa but it is not going to be installed or
[04:20] <kyaneos>                        libglu1
[04:20] <doppelganger_> i've got a slight pro'lem...  hopefully it is easy
[04:20] <franjesus> pete: an ide
[04:20] <The_Croup> kdevelop got already
[04:20] <pete> yeah, so what is oliver saying
[04:21] <oliver> kdevelop use gcc as its compiler
[04:21] <franjesus> or the one you tell it to do so
[04:21] <oliver> yeah
[04:21] <oliver> but gcc is great
[04:21] <franjesus> sure, the best free compiler in the world
[04:21] <oliver> not 4 though
[04:21] <franjesus> icc generates faster code
[04:21] <rpedro> can someone tell me what's the key to show the main menu in kopete? I accidentally hide it...
[04:22] <jucato> Ctrl+M
[04:22] <franjesus> and has proper openmp support though
[04:22] <doppelganger_> guess i'll just have to ask  =\
[04:22] <jucato> rpedro: Ctrl+M
[04:22] <MidMark> guys I need help for bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/65529
[04:22] <rpedro> jucato: thanks
[04:22] <MidMark> cannot boot, what can I do?
[04:22] <doppelganger_> i just upgraded to Edgy last night. Now when i boot up, i get the Kubuntu screen with the loading bar, then after that just a blank, black screen
[04:23] <doppelganger_> after about 10 secs at that black screen, i can hit esc, and it'll be sitting at a login prompt in terminal
[04:23] <doppelganger_> so i can login, then type startx and it'll come right up
[04:23] <oliver> is xorg configured right?
[04:23] <doppelganger_> any clue as to how to get it to do it automagically?
[04:24] <doppelganger_> possibly-  what's the command to reconfigure it again?
[04:24] <The_Croup> if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss
[04:24] <The_Croup> a package named similar to libstdc++-dev.
[04:24] <doppelganger_> dpkg --reconfigure xserver.xorg?
[04:24] <oliver> # Xorg -configure
[04:24] <The_Croup> i already got libstdc++dev tho
[04:24] <oliver> do it manually
[04:24] <jucato> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:24] <doppelganger_> ah, thank you jucato
[04:25] <luciano_> hello everyone
[04:25] <root_> hi
[04:25] <luciano_> I'm a linux noob, I'm having problems with screen resolution
[04:25] <root_> I have a small problem with iptables
[04:26] <The_Croup> i would like some help installing kdevelop
[04:26] <luciano_> I have a 17inch lcd monitor (its not a laptop) and my resolution must be 1280x768
[04:26] <The_Croup> its getting errors even if i got what it wants
[04:27] <luciano_> I managed to change the xorg to display that, but the screen is flickering, the fonts are blured
[04:27] <franjesus> The_Croup: are you installing through apt/aptitude/adept?
[04:27] <luciano_> there is a small part of the screen on the right that it's off the monitor, i can't see half the bin icon on the right
[04:27] <luciano_> can anyone help ?
[04:27] <root_> I have written the script of iptables
[04:28] <root_> but when I restart the server
[04:28] <The_Croup> no,
[04:28] <root_> the iptables are flushed
[04:28] <The_Croup> from adept i got the library needed
[04:28] <The_Croup> just run ./configure
[04:28] <shanky> good afternoon
[04:29] <luciano_> ubuntu "1280x768"
[04:29] <The_Croup> and i got that the libstdc++ dev              is missing or something
[04:29] <franjesus> The_Croup: is there any reason for that, maybe you want the latest version and it is not available on ubuntu?
[04:30] <shanky> I have connected a external monitor to my laptop and if I run mplayer or xine I only see the movie in the laptop, any idea?
[04:30] <doppelganger_> jucato: may i ask you one more question, fine sir
[04:30] <siefkencp> any one know how to open up a couple of ports on ubuntu?
[04:30] <jucato> doppelganger_: err??
[04:30] <jucato> what?
[04:30] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: thanx for the info yesterday
[04:31] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: sure.no problem
[04:31] <The_Croup> probably
[04:31] <The_Croup> which version
[04:31] <doppelganger_> jucato: if i had backed up my old xserver-xorg from last time, can i simply replace the newer one with that one and have it work properly?
[04:31] <The_Croup> should i get that works
[04:31] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: would also appear that knet is broken & java ain't in the repos
[04:31] <franjesus> in edgy you have 3.3.4
[04:31] <franjesus> the latest at kdevelop.org is 3.3.5
[04:32] <franjesus> maybe it would be easier to do
[04:32] <jucato> doppelganger_: um.. depends if your backup was the one that worked properly. if it is, simply replace the new xorg.conf with the older one and restart X
[04:32] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: no java?
[04:32] <franjesus> sudo apt-get install kdevelop libtool autoconf automaken
[04:32] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: looks like it.. :(
[04:32] <franjesus> and stick to the supported version
[04:32] <root_> someone can halp mi with iptables ??
[04:32] <siefkencp> i need the same help with IP tables
[04:32] <doppelganger_> jucato: excellent!  Just making sure there weren't version changes that would cause me copying my old one to hose the system even further  ;P
[04:33] <The_Croup> whats all this warty,hoary,breezy,dapper,edgy ? whats the difference?
[04:34] <The_Croup> im new to kubuntu not so much on linux
[04:34] <franjesus> The_Croup: different versions of ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:34] <franjesus> you should have one every 6 months
[04:34] <jucato> The_Croup: those are the "code names" of the different releases
[04:34] <The_Croup> fair enough
[04:34] <The_Croup> how do i found out what i got
[04:34] <The_Croup> ?
[04:34] <jucato> 5.10 (Breezy), 6.06 (Dapper), 6.10 (Edgy)
[04:35] <jucato> The_Croup: in Konsole: "lsb_release -a"
[04:35] <The_Croup> got it already
[04:35] <The_Croup> sorry thanks jucato
[04:35] <The_Croup> can i upgrade?
[04:36] <franjesus> !upgrade
[04:36] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[04:36] <franjesus> kool :D
[04:37] <siefkencp> can any one help with unlocking the firewall on my edgy box.... I just need to know what is stopping me from getting into ports i need open --- its really frustrating that no one will even acknoladge me
[04:37] <TheGateKeeper> The_Croup: you can but be warned not all is happy with edgy
[04:37] <jucato> I am... but then again... I didn't upgrade (this one that I'm using)
[04:38] <DaftDog> siefkencp: it's acknowledge
[04:38] <DaftDog> siefkencp: do you want to turn of iptables entirely?
[04:38] <siefkencp> I cant see IPtables as a running service
[04:38] <siefkencp> nor do i see it in /etc/init.d
[04:38] <yokobr> hi
[04:38] <yokobr> please
[04:39] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: well I love to know what (k)ubuntu's definition of 'stable' is
[04:39] <siefkencp> so if you know where to turn off IPtables i'd be very greatful
[04:39] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: remember what Edgy is supposed to be
[04:39] <DaftDog> siefkencp: enter iptables -L
[04:39] <DaftDog> sudo.. sorry
[04:39] <soulrider> !mp3
[04:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:40] <yokobr> in trying to install an o.s under vmware on a physical drive.....but i cant do that 'cause its mounted
[04:40] <yokobr> what can i do?
[04:40] <soulrider> i just downloaded java sdk from suns site
[04:40] <soulrider> its a .bin file
[04:40] <siefkencp> bash: iptables: command not found
[04:40] <soulrider> how do i know if i will be bale to uninstall it easily ?
[04:40] <soulrider> or if ill be able to uninstall it using adept ?
[04:41] <siefkencp> i am certain that my ports are closed
[04:41] <siefkencp> i looked there are only about 8 open ports
[04:41] <siefkencp> none of which are samba and mysql
[04:41] <siefkencp> both of which i need
[04:41] <DaftDog> siefkencp: did you sudo?
[04:41] <pierre__> soulrider: you wont be able to uninstall it with apt
[04:41] <yokobr> pleasee
[04:42] <yokobr> in trying to install an o.s under vmware on a physical drive.....but i cant do that 'cause its mounted...and i cant umount 'cause im on my linux =) driver is busy
[04:42] <siefkencp> DraftDog: you are awsome...
[04:42] <siefkencp> hah
[04:43] <soulrider> damn, can i make a deb out of it so i can uninstall it ?
[04:43] <siefkencp> Of course it lists nothing
[04:43] <pierre__> soulrider: are you sure there isnt already a deb in the repo?
[04:43] <Mez> soulrider, what package ?
[04:44] <yokobr> please
[04:44] <yokobr> in trying to install an o.s under vmware on a physical drive.....but i cant do that 'cause its mounted...and i cant umount 'cause im on my linux =) driver is busy
[04:44] <DaftDog> siefkencp: what are the policy settings for each chain saying?
[04:44] <yokobr> what can i do?
[04:44] <soulrider> su-java5-jdk
[04:44] <soulrider> sun*
[04:44] <soulrider> there sno JDK in the repos
[04:44] <DaftDog> soulrider: i think there is...
[04:44] <soulrider> its missing i think
[04:44] <siefkencp> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[04:44] <siefkencp> target     prot opt source               destination
[04:44] <siefkencp> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[04:44] <siefkencp> target     prot opt source               destination
[04:44] <siefkencp> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[04:44] <siefkencp> target     prot opt source               destination
[04:44] <soulrider> try to install it
[04:45] <DaftDog> soulrider: have you got multiverse and universe and restricted enabled?
[04:45] <soulrider> indeed
[04:45] <The_Croup> hi, i got dapper but kdevelop is not in the files any ideas where i can get it from
[04:45] <DaftDog> siefkencp: when the policy says ACCEPT there shouldn't be a problem firewall-wise
[04:46] <MidMark> need help
[04:46] <MidMark> http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0569qy1.jpg
[04:46] <DaftDog> siefkencp: but there's another security mechanism that might prevent access... i need to check but i remember something.. give me a minute
[04:46] <MidMark> cannot boot!
[04:46] <soulrider> is there any way to browse the repos and look for a deb manually without using adept or anything ?
[04:46] <siefkencp> Thanks DraftDog
[04:46] <DaftDog> soulrider: i think you can browse them online
[04:47] <inteliwasp> is the package server still being hammered?
[04:47] <soulrider> any idea of how i can do that ?
[04:47] <MidMark> soulrider: they are simply ftp server... browse them!
[04:47] <MidMark> guys need help ^
[04:47] <soulrider> ahh, i didnt know that
[04:48] <poopybutt> i upgraded to 6.10 but it didnt give me ff 2.0  how do i get it?
[04:48] <MidMark> cannot boot edgy with ALI chipset
[04:48] <MidMark> poopybutt: search ad install it with adept
[04:48] <MidMark> kubuntu has konqueror for the default browser
[04:48] <poopybutt> MidMark, do i need to get rid of 1.5?
[04:48] <poopybutt> MidMark, im aware but i like ff
[04:49] <pierre__> the deb in the repo is firefox 2.0
[04:49] <DaftDog> siefkencp: your mysql and samba is running though right?
[04:49] <MidMark> poopybutt: kubuntu will update it if it's exist, or install if not
[04:49] <poopybutt> pierre__, so i could get it with apt-get?
[04:49] <MidMark> very simple
[04:49] <The_Croup> hi which version of kdevelop do you suggest
[04:50] <siefkencp> Yup
[04:50] <pierre__> poopybutt: uh yea
[04:50] <The_Croup> http://kde.gnusoft.net/kdevelop-latest/kubuntu/pool-dapper/kdevelop/
[04:50] <DaftDog> siefkencp: are you trying to access from a windows box=
[04:50] <siefkencp> i have no trouble working from localhost
[04:50] <DaftDog> ?
[04:50] <poopybutt> cause i tried it and it said i already have the newest version
[04:50] <poopybutt> and i have 1.5
[04:50] <The_Croup> running k now
[04:50] <siefkencp> Draft--- check out inetd
[04:50] <siefkencp> apparently the conf file is controlling the open ports
[04:50] <MidMark> anyone know how to boot? -> http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0569qy1.jpg
[04:50] <pierre__> poopybutt: are you running edgy?
[04:50] <DaSkreech> !ad!adept-fix
[04:51] <siefkencp> i just need to figure out how to add my 2 services
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ad!adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <DaSkreech> !adept-fix
[04:51] <poopybutt> 6.10 now
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <DaSkreech> !adept fix
[04:51] <pierre__> poopybutt: then theres a problem because 2.0 is what is in the repositories
[04:51] <DaftDog> siefkencp: yeah that's the one i was looking for.. i don't have it installed here though
[04:51] <MidMark> poopybutt: the update from firefox just take a look into mozilla server
[04:51] <MidMark> not ubuntu server
[04:51] <MidMark> use adept and stop!
[04:52] <MidMark> and for now there is no upgrade from 1.5 to 2.0, leave adept do it for you
[04:52] <siefkencp> I just need to know the .conf conventions
[04:52] <soulrider> aparently java is on the repso
[04:52] <soulrider> and im installing it now
[04:52] <siefkencp> Worst case I can do a restart to get my rules in place
[04:52] <soulrider> but friggin adept wouldnt list it
[04:52] <jerp> Does anyone have a url for a linux newb regarding how to establish an internet connection with Ubuntu?
[04:53] <soulrider> jerp what kind of connection ?
[04:53] <oliver> What type
[04:53] <soulrider> ic an help you with pppeo
[04:53] <soulrider> pppoe*
[04:53] <jerp> just one that lets me log onto the internet
[04:53] <oliver> Ubuntu configures most automatically
[04:53] <soulrider> but that type of connection
[04:53] <soulrider> cable, DSL
[04:53] <jerp> cable
[04:53] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: I thought you said there's no java in edgy
[04:54] <soulrider> yea TheGateKeeper i found it
[04:54] <soulrider> adept wasnt listing it
[04:54] <soulrider> but its there apparently
[04:54] <soulrider> im downloading it
[04:54] <pierre__> whats KDE's partition manager?
[04:54] <jerp> comcast doesn't provide assistance
[04:54] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: ohh where was it?
[04:54] <jucato> pierre__: QtParted, but it's not KDE's
[04:54] <omar> Hello everybody, I have a partition and I would like to mount it automaticly, I am using this to mount it manually "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /media/hd4"   I am already in "/etc/fstab" and I tried with "/dev/hda4       /media/hda4     vfat    rw              0       0" but it's not working, did I write something wrong????
[04:54] <DaSkreech> What's the thing for adept fix?
[04:55] <soulrider> i dont know
[04:55] <oliver> The ubuntu live cd configures most cable connections automatically
[04:55] <soulrider> ilol
[04:55] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: soulrider has found it lol
[04:55] <soulrider> multiuverse it hink
[04:55] <soulrider> i found it while browsung online
[04:55] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: in multiverse of course. I've found it too
[04:55] <soulrider> but
[04:55] <soulrider> adept wasnt listing it
[04:55] <pierre__> jucato: how do i access it?
[04:55] <soulrider> so i just did
[04:55] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: I didn't have multiverse enabled when I first checked
[04:55] <soulrider> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk and it started installing
[04:55] <jucato> pierre__: you have to install it
[04:55] <soulrider> jucato: i did, and adept wasnt listing it
[04:55] <DaSkreech> !fix adept
[04:56] <TheGateKeeper> soulrider: install synaptic don't rely on adept :-)
[04:56] <jucato> !adept crash fix
[04:56] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:56] <jucato> DaSkreech: ^^^^^
[04:56] <soulrider> i allways use apt-get anyways
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Ah thanks
[04:56] <jucato> soulrider: same here.
[04:56] <DaSkreech> soulrider: it was apt-get that crashed
[04:56] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: ohhh well I will let them off that one
[04:56] <jucato> :P
[04:57] <rhodri> hi, i'm having problems with my ati driver and kubuntu edgy, the output of fglrxinfo keeps telling me it's using the vesa driver, not the ati one.  is this the right place to ask?
[04:57] <jucato> TheGateKeeper, soulrider: Adept Manager lists it for me. which Adept were you using?
[04:57] <soulrider> manager i think
[04:58] <jucato> I see it in mine. both Manager and Installer
[04:58] <soulrider> either adept nor apt-get listed it
[04:58] <soulrider> but its there
[04:58] <jerp> Oliver: I'm willing to reformat and reload to get a connection established  :))  I'll five it a try
[04:58] <jerp> give
[04:58] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: I'm not, I am still using dapper, I am asking you folks the info, & relying on what you tell me
[04:58] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: well it's here :P
[04:58] <TheGateKeeper> jucato: good stuff :P
[04:58] <angel_> hola
[04:59] <jucato> TheGateKeeper: and the Firefox extension problem isn't Edgy's fault :P
[04:59] <soulrider> hola angel
[04:59] <soulrider> !es
[04:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:59] <angel_> quiero pasarme al habla hispana
[04:59] <angel_> gracias
[04:59] <angel_> hermano
[04:59] <soulrider> :)
[04:59] <oliver> Try the live cd
[04:59] <dude> hello abbattoir
[04:59] <dude> helo guys
[04:59] <poopybutt> what is the native irc client that comes with kubuntu
[04:59] <soulrider> hi
[04:59] <oliver> before installing it
[04:59] <soulrider> konversation
[05:00] <omar> Hello everybody, I have a partition and I would like to mount it automaticly, I am using this to mount it manually "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /media/hd4"   I am already in "/etc/fstab" and I tried with "/dev/hda4       /media/hda4     vfat    rw              0       0" but it's not working, did I write something wrong????
[05:00] <soulrider> i better go take a shower
[05:00] <soulrider> bbl
[05:00] <pierre__> im having a bit a of a problem. if i want an ext3 partition on my system that isnt used by the system, what do i mount it as during install?
[05:01] <oliver> You dont necesarily need to reformat and reload
[05:01] <oliver> You can copy the ifconfig onto your    current install
[05:01] <dude> hello abattoir
[05:01] <dude> abattoir: are you busy?
[05:02] <abattoir> dude: hello, mm kinda, what do you need?
[05:02] <jerp> oliver. I'll look for it on the disk (if that's what I need to do)
[05:02] <dude> abattoir: can  you help me edit my menu.lst?
[05:03] <abattoir> dude: ok, freespire again? ;)
[05:03] <oliver> I would talk you through it but I have only installed wireless and internet through ethernet
[05:03] <dude> abattoir: hehehe, xandros
[05:03] <omar> Hello everybody, I have a partition and I would like to mount it automaticly, I am using this to mount it manually "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /media/hd4"   I am already in "/etc/fstab" and I tried with "/dev/hda4       /media/hda4     vfat    rw              0       0" but it's not working, did I write something wrong????
[05:03] <rhodri> hi, i'm having problems with my ati driver and kubuntu edgy, the output of fglrxinfo keeps telling me it's using the vesa driver, not the ati one.  is this the right place to ask?
[05:04] <MidMark> someone change the title: still Dapperknownproblem
[05:04] <jerp> oliver: np, thanks for pointing me in a direction :)
[05:15] <poopybutt> whats a good rss reader to use?
[05:16] <Jucato> akregator
[05:16] <jerp> re: ifconfig_  after having used search all I find on the disk are html help files and some text,  would the redhat get me closer?   (sorry, I'm anything but a computer technician)
[05:17] <dude> abattoir: hehehe, xandros
[05:17] <jerp> "upgrading redhat from a remote console"
[05:17] <h3sp4wn> pierre__: I have 100gb mounted on /media/storage
[05:17] <h3sp4wn> pierre__: You can mount it wherever you like
[05:17] <jerp> scratch remote/ insert serial
[05:17] <abattoir> dude: you know the procedure, pastebin menu.lst, and get me the name of the kernel/initrd for xandros
[05:18] <abattoir> dude: i wonder why you don't install the bootloader when installing other operating systems ;)
[05:18] <Jucato> evening abattoir! :)
[05:18] <abattoir> dude: from what i've seen, few give you the option of not installing one explicitly
[05:18] <abattoir> hey Jucato :)
[05:18] <abattoir> Jucato: how are ya?
[05:18] <Jucato> abattoir: we missed you :)
[05:19] <Jucato> abattoir: doing fine, doing fine :)
[05:19] <abattoir> Jucato: well, had a lot of work :(
[05:19] <dude> abattoir: it might overwrite the menu.lst of grub
[05:19] <abattoir> Jucato: too bad couldn't make it to the 'release party' yesterday :(
[05:19] <jerp> I found "all about ifconfig"  I think I'll have to read that before anything else
[05:19] <Jucato> abattoir: hehehe! release party = upgrade chaos :P
[05:19] <markey> hey guys
[05:19] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to get flash sound working in firefox?
[05:20] <markey> anyone know how to disable the "dead key" feature?
[05:20] <markey> it's driving me nuts
[05:20] <abattoir> Jucato: oh, yeah, w/ packages being held back?
[05:20] <abattoir> dude: most modern Linux OSs detect other OSs ;)
[05:20] <Jucato> abattoir: yep yep! :D
[05:20] <abattoir> dude: otherwise, you can manually add the entries too
[05:20] <dude> abattoir: hmm...just wondering, why is it that there is no menu.lst on xandros
[05:21] <abattoir> dude: it uses lilo? or maybe grub.conf?
[05:21] <dude> abattoir: lilo
[05:21] <abattoir> dude: see if /etc/lilo.conf exists
[05:22] <abattoir> dude: hmm ok
[05:22] <abattoir> dude: did you install lilo at all? in the / partition maybe?
[05:22] <abattoir> dude: if then, we could chainload
[05:23] <dude> abattoir:  i just installed the OS
[05:23] <Storkme> can anyone help me with my xserver problem here?
[05:23] <Frederick> Folks wich is the package for kdevelop?
[05:24] <dude> abattoir:  im hoping that we could do the freespire configuration
[05:24] <abattoir> dude: you still have freespire?
[05:24] <dude> abattoir: i think so
[05:24] <abattoir> dude: oh, you mean add xandros entry in grub?
[05:24] <dude> abattoir: yes
[05:24] <Storkme> it says 'Fatal server error: no screens found' and my xorg.conf file can be found here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4vKEP281.html
[05:25] <dude> abattoir: yes, just like freespire procedure
[05:25] <jerp> what's to tell me is teh path to the internet from the response when I enter ifconfig eth0 and ifconfig eth1?
[05:26] <dude> abattoir: well, it seems that xandros is different from freespire
[05:26] <jerp> I have a usb cable connected to the cable modem
[05:26] <abattoir> dude: did you explicitly uncheck "Install boot-manager on the MBR" during installation?
[05:27] <dude> abattoir: yes, i did
[05:27] <abattoir> dude: during the xandros installation, i.e
[05:27] <dude> abattoir: yes, i did uncheck
[05:27] <abattoir> dude: ok, this probably means it installed it in /
[05:27] <abattoir> dude: get me your menu.lst
[05:27] <dude> ok
[05:28] <oswaldo> someone know other setting it is best that automatix?
[05:28] <dude> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28294/
[05:28] <oswaldo> angel entra en #kubuntu-es
[05:28] <abattoir> dude: and on which device do you have xandros installed?
[05:28] <dude> abattoir: /dev/hda10
[05:29] <abattoir> dude: hmm, you still seem to have that freespire entry that i made
[05:29] <dude> abattoir: ya, i didn't remove it,
[05:29] <Electrolyte> Can anyone tell me how I can stop dpkg from upgrading k3d? It keeps failing, and I can't get rid of it :/
[05:30] <dude> abattoir: it's working fine, tnx
[05:30] <Storkme> when i try startx i get this: 'Fatal server error: no screens found' and my xorg.conf file can be found here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4vKEP281.html#
[05:31] <abattoir> dude: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28679/
[05:31] <nikkiana> somehow on konqueror when i use it as a file manager, the folder icons have become HUGE.... is there any way to get them back to their normal size?
[05:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: Ctrl+<mouse scroll down>
[05:32] <nikkiana> abattoir: thanks :)
[05:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: or click on the Zoom icons if you have them...
[05:32] <abattoir> nikkiana: or View->Icon Size
[05:33] <nikkiana> i must have accidently done the ctrl+mouse scroll yesterday
[05:34] <jamie> LeeJunFan_ZZz: hey LeeJunFan, thanks! I did have to activate using Windows. I don't know if it modified my account (probably) or modified the card itself but it worked perfectly after I activated my Sprint account in windows. it's not too fast (165kb/s download) and has pretty bad (250-1250 ms) latency but it's ok for SSH and small web surfing. (sprint EVDO card.) thanks again for all your help!!!
[05:35] <Dasnipa`> i have 39 packages that have been 'kept back' mostly dealing with python, how do i force them to upgrade?
[05:35] <yokobr> hi guys
[05:35] <abattoir> Dasnipa`: you can manually install them
[05:36] <dude> abattoir: i'll reboot
[05:36] <yokobr> anyone knows a solution to migrate a call center from windows to linux?
[05:36] <abattoir> Dasnipa`: copy the list, and paste it after 'sudo apt-get install'
[05:36] <abattoir> dude:  ok
[05:39] <BrightEyes`> how can i configure sendmail using webmin? any t
[05:40] <BrightEyes`> which is the easiest way to setup a mail server on an ubuntu system?
[05:43] <BrightEyes`> which is the easiest way to setup a mail server on ubuntu?
[05:44] <RawSewage> Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[05:44] <RawSewage> did you ask in #Ubuntu
[05:45] <iced-earth> #linux
[05:46] <h3sp4wn> BrightEyes`: don't use sendmail (unless you already understand it) - use exim or postfix
[05:47] <BrightEyes`> h3sp4wn: how can i uninstall sendmail? if i install postfix as well should be any probs?
[05:47] <trappist> BrightEyes`: postfix should replace sendmail automatically
[05:48] <trappist> if I try to install sendmail, apt insists on uninstalling postfix here
[05:48] <teflon> hi
[05:49] <teflon> can anyone give me the corrent repository url for kubuntu edgy
[05:49] <teflon> kubuntu.org edgy/main packages isn't working
[05:49] <RawSewage> how do you get video thumbnails in Konq
[05:50] <yokobr> hey folks
[05:50] <teflon> no idea sorry
[05:50] <teflon> hi
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> teflon: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted multiverse universe
[05:50] <yokobr> im making a new distro from scratch
[05:50] <teflon> do I not need the kubuntu repository?
[05:50] <yokobr> what is the licence that i must use to sell it??
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> teflon: unless you want a newer kde or something no
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> teflon: (currently there is not one)
[05:52] <teflon> yeah I do
[05:52] <teflon> oh sorry
[05:52] <teflon> ok I understand
[05:52] <teflon> ok cheers
[05:53] <teflon> can I just use adept updater instead of the shell commands?
[05:54] <davidenik> ecco
[05:54] <davidenik> sorry
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> teflon: no
[05:55] <teflon> damn :)
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> teflon: upgrade from outside X (to be safe) - a full dist-upgrade with adept is suicidal
[05:55] <teflon> ok because I tried it today and debconf gui hung asking me to enter an integer
[05:55] <teflon> ok
[05:56] <RawSewage> If anyone wants video thumbnails:  sudo apt-get install libarts1-xine
[05:56] <teflon> well I tried it from the shell with X enabled is that ok?
[05:56] <RawSewage> so you can see video thumbs in Konqueror
[05:56] <teflon> but I will try again without X
[05:57] <BrightEyes`> after installing postfix how do i configure it?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[05:58] <InteliWasp> i need to figure out why some 42 packages are not updating...
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Or buy a book :) They have entire books to configuring postfix
[05:58] <RawSewage> InteliWasp, python?
[05:58] <InteliWasp> RawSewage: some yes
[05:59] <RawSewage> ignore it
[05:59] <DaSkreech>  as opposed to sendmail where people have dedicated thier life to trying to figure out how to configure it
[05:59] <InteliWasp> RawSewage: and some others too
[05:59] <InteliWasp> RawSewage: like xorg
[05:59] <soulrider> !java
[05:59] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:59] <RawSewage> InteliWasp, idk
[05:59] <BrightEyes`> DaSkreech: how to i install postfix with adopt?
[05:59] <RawSewage> InteliWasp, I just did a fresh install
[06:00] <DaSkreech> adept?
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Its not that bad (you only need to dedicate your life to figuring it out if you edit sendmail.cf directly - using sendmail.mc is quite a bit easier)
[06:00] <DaSkreech> BrightEyes`: Do it fromt he command line
[06:00] <DaSkreech>  sudo apt-get install mailx
[06:00] <MidMark> safe graphics what differs from normal?
[06:00] <MidMark> which params?
[06:00] <BrightEyes`> DaSkreech: it exits!
[06:01] <BrightEyes`> DaSkreech: it asks if i want to continue[y/n]  i type y and enter and it exits
[06:02] <DaSkreech> With what error?
[06:02] <BrightEyes`> DaSkreech: nothing! it makes the question and then it exits
[06:04] <oswaldo> angel estas
[06:04] <oswaldo> ?
[06:04] <hammer> what is troll? i need the meaning of that word =D
[06:05] <Dasnipa`> yay for spellchecking everywhere
[06:06] <jerp> hammer, the Brothers Grimm wrote about the troll in "The Three Billy Goats Gruff"  it lived under a bridge the would cross and always made them pay a toll to cross
[06:06] <hammer> it should be a verb...
[06:07] <BrightEyes`> DaSkreech: what can i do?
[06:07] <jerp> troll=homeless dude
[06:07] <adam_> Yo, whats with the awful control panel in Kubuntu, - It seems to have taken options way from me when compared with the default KDE control panel !?
[06:08] <ubuntu_> anyone knows how to make this FUCKING Edgy installer install '/' on XFS partition??????????
[06:08] <LjL> adam_: you can get the normal kcontrol back by typing "kcontrol" in a shell
[06:08] <LjL> !language | ubuntu_
[06:08] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:08] <LjL> adam_: or you can add the "Settings" applet to your panel, or...
[06:08] <wiking> HELP!  I dont know what i did. I did always problem with sound in games. Yesterday I did wery happy because all games has had sound, but today already no sound...
[06:08] <Timmmm> ubuntu_: I did I think... Or maybe not - does it refuse because of lilo or something?
[06:08] <LjL> ubuntu_: i'm not sure, but i believe you'd need the Alternate CD for that
[06:09] <digger> hello
[06:10] <tommy> Is Kubuntu having anything software for voice and video chat like yahoo mess in windows
[06:10] <Timmmm> Hi, just upgraded to edgy and now all my fonts look crap. Seems that there is some weird different antialiasing going on that looks rubbish (perhaps there is no hinting).
[06:10] <ubuntu_> Alternate CD DOESN't boot in my system - after choosing anything in the menu I get a blank screen :((((((((((((((((
[06:10] <Jucato> adam_: most of the KControl stuff are still in System Settings, just rearranged a bit. KControl is still installed, but just not in the K Menu.
[06:10] <Timmmm> How do I fix it?
[06:10] <digger> tommy - skype :D
[06:10] <adam_> How the hell do I turn off launch feedback in this retarded control panel ??
[06:10] <andhy> tommy: yes kopete
[06:10] <abattoir> adam_: edgy?
[06:10] <Jucato> adam_: use KControl (don't know why they took out that one)
[06:10] <BrightEyes`> tommy : kopete and kopete
[06:10] <tommy> how to install skype???
[06:10] <Jucato> adam_: Alt+F2, "kcontrol"
[06:10] <LjL> !skype > tommy
[06:10] <Storkme> when i try startx i get this: 'Fatal server error: no screens found' and my xorg.conf file can be found here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4vKEP281.html#
[06:11] <digger> just download from skupe.com and install :) its easy
[06:11] <digger> no need to compile manualy
[06:11] <LjL> digger: why not use the available package
[06:11] <adam_> jucato_: Nice one thanks.  What was the point in making a control panel thats far worse than the KDE default one.  Madness
[06:11] <adam_> just takes options away from ppl
[06:12] <LjL> adam_, you'll have to admit KControl *is* a bit crowded and messy. perhaps System Settings isn't optimal, but
[06:12] <RawSewage> it's easy to fix
[06:12] <LjL> adam_: anyway, there's nothing taken away, as you can just add KControl to the menu, or use the nice Settings panel applet, or whatever
[06:12] <RawSewage> All you do is Add Settings to the Start Menu
[06:12] <Jucato> adam_: not really. the revamped System Settings was a product of human interface studies. I think it was complete human error that launch feedback just got left out
[06:12] <ubuntu_> hate this freaking dumb installer :[
[06:12] <RawSewage> and then you have a nice KControl in the Start menu, with submenus and everything
[06:12] <adam_> Now I know I'll do just that..
[06:13] <adam_> studies eh... studying subhumans perhaps. heh.
[06:13] <adam_> ok
[06:13] <tommy> problem with installing jdk with adept
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> tommy: use apt-get or aptitude (or you cannot accept the license)
[06:13] <digger> can anyone give me some very good (with many packages) repository'es for kubuntu?? :)
[06:14] <RawSewage> adam_, do you know how to add SEttings
[06:14] <FlipStonE> Hello you all, just chatting while waiting for install of my first kubuntu :-)
[06:16] <h3sp4wn> digger: the official ones - any others are unsupported by this channel
[06:16] <jerp> what is
[06:16] <r3v1lo> Jerp
[06:16] <r3v1lo> How is your internet connectiongoing
[06:17] <jerp> what is "SIOCADDRT" ?
[06:17] <larson9999> i rock!
[06:17] <larson9999> i mean linux rocks!
[06:17] <blurfle> jerp: couldn't add a route
[06:17] <tommy> is there anything like windows blinds or style XP in KUBUNTU ???
[06:17] <jerp> hmmmm, thanks
[06:17] <MasterEvilAce> !wine
[06:17] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:18] <MasterEvilAce> !atm
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <digger> www.kde-look.org - for KDE
[06:18] <blurfle> tommy: it's native
[06:18] <jerp> tommy, I heard there is something called enlightenment
[06:19] <blurfle> jerp: that's another wm/de entirely
[06:19] <RawSewage> If you would like to add functionality to Konqueror, do the following 2 lines  (DO NOT RUN AS SUDO!)
[06:19] <MasterEvilAce> When is WINE going to have an Edgy release fork, or whatever...
[06:19] <RawSewage> 1.  cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[06:19] <jerp> oh
[06:19] <RawSewage> 2. cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/* ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[06:19] <Homer> KHello KPeople
[06:19] <Gaz> i've upgraded to edgy, and i am connected to the internet via zydas wireless. however, the only way i can connect is by sudo iwconfig each time. is there an automatic way to do this and how do i remove the constant requests for the root passwords? many thanks :))
[06:19] <jerp> what's wm/de?
[06:20] <digger> people, what at is better - .rpm or .deb packages ?
[06:20] <Homer> Kow Kar Ku Koing?
[06:20] <blurfle> jerp: window manager/ desktop environment
[06:20] <RawSewage> .deb are easier
[06:20] <tommy> Is build essential available pre installed with KUBUNTU Edgy???
[06:20] <Jucato> tommy: no
[06:20] <blurfle> Gaz: you could make an alias, e.g. in bash, alias iwconfig="sudo iwconfig"
[06:20] <RawSewage> I heard .rpm have dependency hell
[06:20] <Zerb_Riss> how do I get WMVs to play in... anything?
[06:21] <Zerb_Riss> they only show a blue screen in Kaffeine and MPlayer
[06:21] <digger> most of the popular programs are available as .deb ?
[06:21] <RawSewage> !wmv
[06:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:21] <Jack12_> hi
[06:21] <Gaz> blurfle: how do i go about doing that
[06:21] <RawSewage> digger, most everything you could need is already in the repos
[06:21] <jerp> dang I wish I was born later in life,
[06:21] <Jack12_> if id do update and unpgrade via commandline (still having dapper) will it automatically do the distupgrade to edgy?
[06:21] <RawSewage> no
[06:22] <blurfle> Gaz: edit ~/.bashrc, and just add that alias line.. check out this page, it does a good job of explaining http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php#alias
[06:22] <Jack12_> or do i have to do this to the sources list?
[06:22] <jfro> anybody know why libdl.so.2 is missing from libc6 package?
[06:22] <RawSewage> !edgy upgrade
[06:22] <jfro> in edgy
[06:22] <Jack12_>   sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:22] <jfro> package search claims it's in there tho
[06:22] <Homer> !edgy
[06:22] <Gaz> any way to remove the root password dialogs?
[06:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[06:22] <digger> ok, because i cannot choose, what distro i want - suse or kubuntu :D
[06:23] <VR^> is there a source-o-matic list for edgy? or can i just change 'dapper' to 'edgy'
[06:23] <r3v1lo> SuSe is good but it uses rpms
[06:23] <RawSewage> digger, try both
[06:23] <r3v1lo> and rpms are crap
[06:23] <Homer> digger, you asking in a kubuntu channel
[06:23] <blurfle> Gaz: you could use visudo to use NOPASSWD:ALL, but that can sometimes be dangerous
[06:23] <RawSewage> digger, theyre free
[06:23] <r3v1lo> It depends on wether you want rpms or deb
[06:24] <r3v1lo> I would say kubuntu is more user friendly
[06:24] <Jack12_> to do the dist-upgrade to edgy its dist-upgrade or do i need to change sources list by hand from dapper->edgy eft
[06:24] <Jack12_> ???
[06:24] <RawSewage> Jack12_, do that line you posted
[06:24] <r3v1lo> but SuSe has more apps out the box which was important to me when I had no internet
[06:25] <r3v1lo> I had internet just not were I had my linux box
[06:25] <RawSewage> Jack12_, they posted linke for you
[06:25] <jfro> anybody know why a .deb file (libc6_2.4) didn't create a link? even tho it shows in --contents
[06:25] <digger> in cd's yes, there ar MANY packages
[06:25] <RawSewage> !edgy | Jack12_
[06:25] <ubotu> Jack12_: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[06:25] <Jack12_> RawSewage: YES, I HAVE BEEN THERE
[06:25] <Jack12_> sry caps+
[06:25] <r3v1lo> and many means gbs of apps
[06:26] <jfro> this sucks
[06:26] <RawSewage> do :   sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <tommy> how to install compiz on my system with intel 845G graphic card and i have 640 MB of RAM and P4 processor
[06:26] <cellofellow> I've a small problem with updating a few packages.
[06:26] <RawSewage> then update/upgrade
[06:26] <digger> and one another important question - what distro (suse or kubuntu (ubuntu)) ar better documented ?
[06:27] <RawSewage> I dont see how you could be better documented than Kubuntu
[06:27] <cellofellow> RawSewage: It won't apt-get dist-upgrade shows 37 upgradable packages it wont upgrade.
[06:27] <RawSewage> I have no idea about Suse
[06:27] <RawSewage> cellofellow, python packs?
[06:27] <digger> ok then I install kubuntu :)
[06:27] <cellofellow> RawSewage: yes, and amarok
[06:27] <jfro> does anybody know hwo to force this package to DO what it's supposed to do? i tkeeps skipping the library symlinks
[06:28] <RawSewage> cellofellow, I dont know about amarok, but I think ignore the python ones
[06:28] <cellofellow> RawSewage:
[06:28] <cellofellow> RawSewage: ok
[06:28] <cellofellow> oops
[06:28] <RawSewage> Personally, I prefer a fresh install
[06:28] <RawSewage> I dont like upgrading
[06:28] <tommy> how to install compiz on my system with intel 845G graphic card and i have 640 MB of RAM and P4 processor
[06:28] <RawSewage> You start out nice and clean.  no baggage or bugs accumulated over the months
[06:29] <cellofellow> amarok, beagle, kde-guidance, hpijs, and python, and tellico, a book-collection app I use.
[06:29] <cellofellow> They won't upgrade
[06:29] <david_> Hi, guys.  Anyone know whether an Edgy install from CD should install Firefox?
[06:29] <Jucato> david_: in Kubuntu, no.
[06:29] <RawSewage> cellofellow, maybe youre sources list still shows dapper on a few lines
[06:29] <cellofellow> david_: ubuntu yes, kubutnu no
[06:29] <jfro> ugh forget it
[06:29] <cellofellow> RawSewage: I dunno
[06:29] <blurfle> tommy: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[06:30] <dom> !obotu
[06:30] <RawSewage> cellofellow, go look    /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about obotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:30] <david_> Thanks - any way of getting it?  It doesn't seem to be in the standard lists for adept.
[06:30] <enir> Firefox-2.0 and Flock 0.7.6 browsers crash after installing Flash pluin
[06:30] <cellofellow> RawSewage: only on two third-party repos I disabled.
[06:30] <cellofellow> enir: I've heard that happening.
[06:30] <cellofellow> enir: flash7 or flash9?
[06:30] <enir> i have been trying to report it since the release
[06:30] <tommy> Ya I followed that Berly link already and ended with no task bar or any sort of thing other than a window!!
[06:30] <enir> 7 and 9
[06:30] <RawSewage> I did a fresh install yesterday, and flash worked fine in FF 2.0
[06:31] <enir> GPL is fine
[06:31] <Homer> how is flash 9 beta working
[06:31] <blurfle> Homer: quite well, imho
[06:31] <cellofellow> tommy: is kde running, beryl is just a window manager. window borders with extra effects basically.
[06:31] <enir> the default version offered by the browser crashes it
[06:31] <VR^> how do i install firefox? i feel so sad without it.
[06:32] <Homer> VR^, sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:32] <cellofellow> VR^: sudo aptitude install firefox
[06:32] <VR^> oh, but of course
[06:32] <Jucato> hm...
[06:32] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install firefox :)
[06:32] <VR^> yessir.
[06:32] <Homer> sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:32] <cellofellow> Jucato: whatever, I just use aptitude a lot
[06:32] <Jucato> lol :)
[06:32] <tommy> KDE did start but after loading only home directory window was available with no window borders
[06:32] <Jucato> I use what works, depending on what I need :)
[06:33] <Jucato> cellofellow: I use aptitude if I know I'll be removing the package(s) later on
[06:33] <cellofellow> tommy: no kicker (panel), or kdesktop?
[06:33] <wiking> help! I have problems with sound devices
[06:33] <cellofellow> Jucato: good idea
[06:33] <david_> sudo apt-get install firefox doesn't work - complains that package firefox is not available but is referred to by another package!
[06:33] <Jucato> david_: make sure that you have the "main" repositories in your sources.list enabled
[06:33] <tommy> no panel but i had my desktop with no icons on it!!!
[06:34] <cellofellow> david_: sounds like sources.list
[06:34] <cellofellow> david_: edgy or dapper?
[06:34] <linuxmigration> fyi: enir is referring to the browser's 'plugin finder service' wizard
[06:34] <cellofellow> tommy: kde isn't working properly
[06:34] <foodcoman> After a alternate Edgy install, what would cause X not to load?  No video.
[06:35] <david_> there'
[06:35] <cellofellow> i'm gonna reboot and try edgy out, see if all worked out. ttfn
[06:35] <Homer> foodcoman, try installing in safe graphix mode
[06:36] <Homer> then install driver
[06:36] <Homer> !ati
[06:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <david_> sorry!  There's a line in the adept repository list for gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, dist. edgy, main restruicted.  That looks to me like an enabled main repo - am I missing something?
[06:37] <Sugarat> How the heck do I change my IP address in Edgy?
[06:37] <david_> cellofellow: edgy
[06:37] <Sugarat> Kubuntu
[06:37] <foodcoman> Homer: I did, and that failed as well.
[06:37] <Sugarat> I click network settings, - then what ?
[06:37] <Gaz> problem remains of the wireless internet loading automatic at startup (eth1)
[06:37] <david_> sugarat: system settings, network settings, admin mode, select the interface and you should be able to make changes.
[06:37] <Gaz> how do i go about i?
[06:37] <foodcoman> Homer:  Video card was a GeForce 6200 DVI to a Gateway Panel monitor.
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Click your nework card and configure
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Sugarat: You may need admin mode
[06:38] <Sugarat> David_: Okay, I clicked admin mode and the window went blank. No interfaces listed.
[06:38] <DaSkreech> It's in thebottom corner
[06:38] <tommy> ya i felt like i had only CLI . I right clicked & opened terminal and restarted with safe mode and reverted all changes i made with Xorg.conf and eveeything was fine back with my old KDE 3.5.2
[06:38] <Homer> foodcoman, probably not your video card then
[06:39] <david_> Sugarat: I don't know what causes that - I've had it before on Dapper.  All that worked for me was ending the session and restarting in a new one.
[06:39] <Sugarat> okay I'll log out of IRC and try again.
[06:39] <Sugarat> Gay
[06:40] <Gaz> how can i connect to the internet automatically on starting up?
[06:40] <Homer> not sure what would cause x11 not to show ui without a video card problem though
[06:40] <foodcoman> Homer: Desktop CD fails to get me video also.  I swapped in an older Gforce and was able to get safe graphics mode from Desktop CD.
[06:40] <Homer> I had a similar problem with Dapper
[06:40] <Homer> the video driver that come with dapper were broke (for my card)
[06:41] <Homer> so it would just boot into black screen
[06:41] <foodcoman> Homer: Exacty what I get now.
[06:41] <Homer> I don't see why safe graphics mode wouldn't work
[06:41] <Homer> cause it just uses VESA generic driver
[06:42] <Homer> maybe it choosing bad resolution or something
[06:42] <foodcoman> Thats what I was hoping also.  At work now, but I will try and pin down more this weeked.
[06:42] <Gaz> does anyone exactly how to automatically connect to the internet upon start up, and how would i go about performing such a task?
[06:42] <Homer> you can check if you can into a cli interface before x11 loads
[06:42] <ubuntu__> hi can someone help my with mput in the ftp client?
[06:43] <Homer> by typing sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:43] <ubuntu__> I am trying to upload a directory
[06:43] <Homer> and it would the resolutions listed
[06:43] <Homer> and drivers too
[06:43] <ubuntu__> but it keeps saying /mnt/home/teflon/: not a plain file.
[06:43] <foodcoman> Homer: I will dig through it from a cli.
[06:44] <teflon> anyone?
[06:44] <teflon> I know it's a stupid question but I haven't really used the shell client
[06:44] <test_> Hello Having sound issues in Edgy, specifically no sound at all.
[06:45] <Gaz> automatic internet connection, can somebody please help me?
[06:45] <foodcoman> Homer: Thanks
[06:45] <david_> Still having trouble with repositories!  Anyone know where there's a list?  I seem to have the gb ones enabled, but can't find firefox or openssh server at the moment.
[06:46] <Gaz> for connecting i sudo iwconfig essid wanadoo.....  manually at the moment, is there a way to this automatically?
[06:46] <Homer> np
[06:46] <test_> Plus why is there a generic kernel now?
[06:47] <munzir> Hi, When I lock my session in kde I can't unlock it though the password is correct what's wrong please?
[06:47] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the installing in oem mode?
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> what it does?
[06:48] <munzir> it says unlock failed
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> what type of kde you have?
[06:49] <MetaMorfoziS> version
[06:49] <Dasnipa`> ran into a problem with xmms, after upgrade i get Message: device: default
[06:49] <Dasnipa`> Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[06:49] <Dasnipa`>   serial 1521 error_code 8 request_code 72 minor_code 0
[06:50] <Gaz> how do i connect to the internet without having to type code everytime i log on the to the computer? is there a text i can edit? and if so, which commands do i have to use in order to suceed in doing this??
[06:50] <test_> Hello Having sound issues in Edgy, specifically no sound at all.
[06:51] <ErikTheRed> ok so i'm installing the driver for my tv tuner card, and i need to place the firmware files somewhere, and i'm not sure where that is
[06:51] <Gaz> i have sudo iwconfig (essid, key) and then sudo dhclient eth1, and this works, now, how can i do this so it's an automatic process??
[06:51] <abattoir> MetaMorfoziS: it is meant for people who want to redistribute kubuntu, people who sell hardware w/ kubuntu, specifically
[06:51] <ubuntu__> My kubuntu system is fucked for the second time...
[06:54] <Alo> Hola
[06:54] <trappist> ubuntu__: language please
[06:54] <Alo> algien me puede decir como configurar apollon
[06:54] <trappist> !pt
[06:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:54] <trappist> hope I got the language right
[06:54] <Alo> es que me pide un sig2dat y no encuentro esos vindulos
[06:54] <franjesus> hola Alo, mejor entra en #ubuntu-es
[06:55] <Pupeno_> I am installing Kubuntu 6.10, I've picked a partition for root (/), one for home and one for swap, yet it complaints: No root filesystem.
[06:55] <trappist> dang.
[06:55] <franjesus> Alo: alli hablan espaol
[06:55] <sc0tt> Alo: ola :)
[06:55] <Alo> i can speak english too
[06:55] <Pupeno_> Any ideas ?
[06:55] <Alo> Hola
[06:55] <Alo> hi
[06:55] <franjesus> oh
[06:55] <franjesus> ok
[06:55] <Alo> Hi scott
[06:55] <test_> Hello Having sound issues in Edgy, specifically no sound at all.
[06:55] <franjesus> here there's more people
[06:55] <sc0tt> what is your native language Alo? :)
[06:55] <Sugarat> Am I being dense? Why wont KDE let me view /?  I only get home and media
[06:55] <soulrider> i just insatlled azureus fromt he repois, but instead of an icon in the tray i see a white square, does anyone know how to fix it ?
[06:56] <soulrider> Sugarat: show hidden files
[06:56] <sc0tt> Sugarat: user might not have access to it
[06:56] <Alo> ny native language is spanish but i can undestand english too
[06:56] <abattoir> !hidden | Sugarat
[06:56] <ubotu> Sugarat: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[06:56] <franjesus> sc0tt: mine too :-)
[06:56] <sc0tt> franjesus: portuguese?
[06:56] <Pupeno_> No one knows ?
[06:56] <soulrider> !pt
[06:56] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:56] <franjesus> spanish
[06:56] <sc0tt> ah
[06:56] <soulrider> !es
[06:56] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:56] <sc0tt> :)
[06:56] <soulrider> cualuiqer cosa me preguntas ok? ;)
[06:57] <franjesus> let's keep it down to English
[06:57] <franjesus> Alo: what is the problem with apollon
[06:57] <Pupeno_> How do I specify, at install time, which is the root partition ?
[06:57] <Sugarat> Is Kubuntu designed for morons? Why would you want to hide the frigging filesystem..?
[06:57] <Alo> my problem is
[06:57] <Alo> :
[06:58] <Alo> idont know what is sig2dat link
[06:58] <Jucato> !hidden
[06:58] <Zerb_Riss> ARG
[06:58] <Zerb_Riss> I can't get WMV playback to work. It plays sound but no video
[06:58] <Zerb_Riss> and don't link me to !wmv, I tried the instructions in the RestrictedFormats page
[06:58] <Alo> hey franjesus
[06:58] <DeJaMo> .mee does not like the idea of hiding sytem filesm that's like bloody windows!
[06:58] <ErikTheRed> anyone know of an easy tv program i could use to test to make sure my tuner is working properly
[06:59] <sc0tt> ErikTheRed: tvtime
[06:59] <sc0tt> Pupeno_: select manual partitioning i think
[06:59] <Pupeno_> sc0tt: already done that.
[06:59] <franjesus> Alo: seems it's specific stuff to fasttrack networks
[06:59] <sc0tt> not so sure then
[07:00] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[07:00] <Alo> mmmmm....
[07:00] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[07:00] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[07:00] <franjesus> Alo: are you sure you want to use fasttrack? :-D
[07:00] <franjesus> Alo: it's been long since last time i used it
[07:00] <Alo> the probl is i cant get connected
[07:01] <Alo> i mean in apollon
[07:01] <franjesus> Alo: now i moved to amule or ktorrent
[07:01] <franjesus> Alo: i'll give it a ride
[07:01] <RatKing> Zerb_Riss: Download automatix and install AUD-DVD codecs
[07:01] <Alo> i use amule
[07:01] <LjL> !automatix | RatKing, Zerb_Riss
[07:01] <ubotu> RatKing, Zerb_Riss: Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[07:02] <Alo> but it doesnt work well at all
[07:02] <Pupeno_> Has anybody succesfully installed Kubuntu 6.10 in manual partition mode ?
[07:02] <franjesus> Alo: did you install giftd??
[07:02] <Alo> im quite kubuntu new user so im learning
[07:03] <Alo> giftd?
[07:03] <Alo> well i have... let me see
[07:03] <Zerb_Riss> YES!
[07:03] <Zerb_Riss> had to switch the MPlayer driver
[07:04] <Alo> hey franjesus, yes i have installed that
[07:04] <Pupeno_> Is reiserfs unsuported ?
[07:04] <trappist> Pupeno_: no
[07:05] <Pupeno_> trappist: the installer doesn't list it among the partition types to make.
[07:05] <trappist> really?
[07:05] <Jucato> Pupeno_: the Desktop CD installer doesn't have reiserfs
[07:05] <Pupeno_> trappist: really.
[07:05] <Jucato> but the ALternate Install does
[07:05] <trappist> I'd have filed a bug and made a stink about that if I'd known it
[07:05] <trappist> I use reiserfs almost exclusively
[07:05] <Jucato> Pupeno_, trappist: the reason is because QtParted, the partitioner in the Desktop CD, doesn't support reiserfs yet
[07:06] <trappist> ic
[07:06] <Pupeno_> Jucato: what do you mean by "don't having reiserfs" ? I have created and mounted reiserfs partitions with the desktop CD.
[07:06] <trappist> well that's a pretty good excuse, I guess
[07:06] <Jucato> Pupeno_: it does? last I checked it doesn't have reiserfs. the alternate install does
[07:07] <Pupeno_> In Kubuntu Dapper one could create the partitions by cfdisk and install, that's no longer possible on Edgy; making a reiserfs install impossible (or damn hard).
[07:07] <j0rgy> hey all.
[07:07] <trappist> Jucato: just visited the qtparted home page, and there's no reason it shouldn't support reiserfs
[07:07] <trappist> Jucato: you just need to have progsreiserfs installed at build time
[07:08] <trappist> http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/faq.en.html
[07:08] <Jucato> trappist: I maybe the version used by Kubuntu doesn't have it yet? I don't know. I'm just repeating what the devs said
[07:08] <trappist> Pupeno_: it would be pretty cool if you'd file a bug on that (if there isn't one already)
[07:09] <j0rgy> i heard a rumour that a kubuntu dvd exists that packages a lot of software (for those of us w/out a great internet connection but require more than the default single-cd install) but i've never been able to verify how true this is.. does anyone know?
[07:09] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: yes it exists, there's even a torrent for it
[07:09] <Jucato> j0rgy: it's true
[07:09] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:09] <Pupeno_> trappist: I don't remember my password, but I'll do it latter from home.
[07:09] <j0rgy> wow, i wish i'd known earlier..
[07:09] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: you can also use debmirror and grab repos like universe and burn them to several DVDs
[07:10] <j0rgy> lotusleaf: any place where i can actually find the package listing?
[07:10] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: should be in the same directory as the files
[07:11] <MetaMorfoziS> abattoir: ohm okay
[07:11] <MetaMorfoziS> th
[07:11] <MetaMorfoziS> x
[07:11] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: I used to use and love SuSE, but I switched and stayed with kubuntu =)
[07:11] <orkid__> have there been any updates to the repos since release?
[07:11] <carham> I can't download a video with Ktorrent. Someone can help me?
[07:11] <j0rgy> lotusleaf: eh. dont tempt me :p
[07:11] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: well use what works for you =)
[07:11] <j0rgy> lotusleaf: can i ask u some qns in pvt? or shld i post here.. mainly about equivalents, etc..
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon_> j0rgy: you can look at packages.ubuntu.com
[07:12] <mark_> hello, can anyone help me with a bluetooth problem?
[07:12] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: better to ask in channel so others can help you answer a question if I'm unable to
[07:12] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/
[07:12] <j0rgy> cool.. k first off.. does it have a yast equivalent? i.e a place where i can configure pretty much anything (hardware/software/running daemons,etc)
[07:12] <soulrider> !bugs
[07:12] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:12] <mark_> i have plugged in my bluetooth dongle, it is detected by the kbluetoothd
[07:13] <mark_> but when i type bluetoth:/ only localhost shows up
[07:13] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: there are utilities for that, yes
[07:13] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: though I haven't found a gui program in ubuntu for sax2 like configuration
[07:13] <j0rgy> lotusleaf: not in one central place tho i take it?
[07:13] <cellofellow> anybody know how to enable fame transparency in KXDocker?
[07:13] <cellofellow> fake
[07:14] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: not that I know of, but the programs are there.
[07:14] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: package management is a whole lot better IMO
[07:14] <Pupeno_> Can the alternative-cd install a desktop or only a server ?
[07:14] <lotusleaf> j0rgy: also please /join #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like to chat further about the differences
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Man konqueror is annoyin
[07:15] <BonBonTheJon_> Pupeno_: if you install server, you can just add kubuntu-desktop
[07:16] <cellofellow> I'm in edgy, and have KXDocker 1.1.4a installed from Edgy repo. I had kxdocker 1.1.4a installed in dapper from a third-party repo, and it used a fake transparency, instead of composite. The edgy version isn't wroking.
[07:16] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: what's annoying?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Whydoes it keep switching between having ^[ and ^PgUp navigate tabs?
[07:17] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: I don't see what you meen.
[07:17] <Pupeno_> Kubuntu is ruining my day today :(
[07:17] <weedar> I want to see what HorizScrollDelta does in xorg.conf, but the manpage for xorg.conf doesn't say anything...Does anyone know where I can find a thorough description of the contents of xorg.conf?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> cellofellow: Every few days it switches
[07:17] <mark_> x.org
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Some days ^[ flips through the tabs
[07:17] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: odd
[07:17] <DaSkreech> some days it doesn't
[07:17] <DaSkreech> on the days it doesn't then ^PgUp does
[07:18] <scrandell> does anyone know if it's possible to enable icon zooming in the panel like I've been able to do in kde on other distros?  I don't see the option in kubuntu....
[07:18] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: alt+number switches to individual tabs
[07:18] <DaSkreech> No it doesn't
[07:18] <trappist> scrandell: there are kicker replacements with that feature (and I think there's maybe even that feature in kicker now, somewhere)
[07:18] <DaSkreech> doesn't with kopete either
[07:18] <DaSkreech> which is just as annoying
[07:18] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: oh, you're right
[07:18] <cellofellow> grrrrrr
[07:19] <Dannilion> alt and the underlined letter normally switches to individual tabs
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah but some K apps really act strangely and I can't figure out why
[07:19] <scrandell> trappist: thanks
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Dannilion: Sorry what now?
[07:20] <jaims> hi
[07:20] <jaims> just one question
[07:20] <jaims> are there any repositories for breezy/firefox 2.0?
[07:21] <jaims> not able to find!
[07:21] <trappist> scrandell: I have EnableIconZoom=true in my kickerrc but I guess that doesn't mean what it sounds like
[07:21] <cellofellow> anyone know anything about KXDocker?
[07:21] <LjL> cellofellow: i know the Edgy version doesn't work for me
[07:21] <scrandell> trappist: hrm, so you don't get icon zooms at all despite the option?
[07:21] <Dannilion> DaSkreech: you mentioned tabs in Kopete- that's how I switch between them (same on Konversation)
[07:21] <cellofellow> LjL: to transparency? I just get big blackness.
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Dannilion: The underlined letters are worse than anythign else
[07:22] <trappist> scrandell: nope, but I'm 90% sure I've had it before and just didn't like it
[07:22] <cellofellow> LjL: to= no
[07:22] <DaSkreech> The move everytime you move the window
[07:22] <LjL> cellofellow, i haven't been able to get it to work at all. are you on edgy? did you use the packaged version?
[07:22] <franjesus> piti Alo left
[07:22] <franjesus> pity
[07:22] <Dannilion> DaSkreech: fair enough :P
[07:23] <cellofellow> LjL: I had a different version installed, from a third party. I removed that before upgrading. I installed the new version, and it works but the transparency is non existent.
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Dannilion: I guess you don't have a lot of IM chatter :(
[07:23] <mark_> damnit
[07:23] <blurfle> !edgy | blurfle
[07:23] <ubotu> blurfle: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[07:23] <doppelganger_> anyone have a clue as to why, after upgrading from dapper to edgy, it goes to the kubuntu loading screen (with the little bar that moves across), then goes to a black screen immediately after and just sits there
[07:23] <mark_> this bluetooth problem is getting on my nerves
[07:24] <LjL> cellofellow: well, then i guess you have files left from the other version, which i'm missing. anyway, i think you should have Composite enabled for the latest version of KXDocker to work (transparency and all), do you?
[07:24] <doppelganger_> when i hit ESC, it then shows me text, and i'm at a shell asking me to login
[07:24] <Dannilion> DaSkreech:  only 6 or 7 at a time
[07:24] <mark_> it can detect eh dongle, but can't see any of my devices :(
[07:24] <blurfle> doppelganger_: it does that to me too
[07:24] <doppelganger_> blurfle: blah!  lol
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Dannilion: Yeah me too the point is that they don't keep dropping the conversation and picking it up
[07:24] <cellofellow> LjL: no composite, or true transparency. just trying to use "fake transparency"
[07:24] <doppelganger_> sucks...  i've tried checking my menu.lst to make sure it doesn't say single on it, as per abattoir
[07:24] <doppelganger_> but it doesn't...  and i've replaced the xorg.conf with my old one, still nothing
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Everytime a tab is opened or closed you have to go through and reremember what everyone's desigantion is
[07:25] <jaims> repositories for firefox 2.0?
[07:25] <LjL> cellofellow, i'm not entirely sure, but i believe the current version (1.1.4, or whatever, the older one was 0.x) *requires* composite, while the older one could work with "fake" transparency...
[07:25] <Dannilion> I hardly ever close the tabs
[07:26] <doppelganger_> blurfle: what have you tried to do to troubleshoot it?
[07:26] <scion> hello
[07:26] <cellofellow> LjL: I had 1.1.4a from the xgl.compiz.net or whatever it was repo and it worked with "fake".
[07:26] <blurfle> doppelganger_: walking away ;)
[07:26] <blurfle> doppelganger_: I haven't had much time to mess with it though, but will later today
[07:26] <doppelganger_> blurfle: lol...  i even called in late to work today to try and mess with it
[07:26] <cellofellow> Anybody know if I can use composite stuff with a tnt2 GPU?
[07:26] <scion> i get this error when trying to play a dvd - xine error no plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:/)
[07:27] <scion> can someone help please?
[07:27] <trappist> scrandell: try installing libdvdread3
[07:27] <munzir> Hi, can some one tell me whether /usr/bin/kcheckpass is setuid or not in a fresh installation of edgy?
[07:27] <scrandell> trappist to get iconzooming to work?
[07:27] <trappist> scrandell: and sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:27] <trappist> oops
[07:27] <scion> anyone?
[07:28] <trappist> scion: try installing libdvdread3
[07:28] <scrandell> ; )
[07:28] <trappist> scion: and sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:28] <scion> trappist: it is installed
[07:28] <scion> i get error no such file or directory
[07:28] <trappist> scion: css too?
[07:28] <cellofellow> anybody know if I can use the composite Xorg extenstion with a RIVA TNT2?
[07:29] <trappist> scion: dapper or edgy?
[07:29] <scion> just installed libdvdcss there and still nothing happening!
[07:29] <scion> dapper
[07:29] <jaims> bye
[07:30] <scion> when i click cdrom0 on desktop it opens an empty folder
[07:30] <trappist> scion: that file might be in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh on dapper
[07:31] <DaSkreech> how can I list files and get the first file in the folder alphabetically?
[07:31] <cellofellow> what does composition in an X server do? and I just want a transparent kxdocker not xgl+compiz/beryl
[07:31] <scion> list files = ls -l
[07:32] <trappist> DaSkreech: files are sorted alphabetically by default
[07:32] <DaSkreech> I know I want back one file
[07:32] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: case sensitive
[07:32] <DaSkreech>  the first one alphabetaically
[07:32] <trappist> DaSkreech: ls | head -1
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Duh! :)
[07:33] <cellofellow> Will a TNT2 video card support compisitioning?
[07:34] <trappist> cellofellow: compositing?
[07:34] <DaSkreech> That's how XGL/AIGLX/compiz/beryl work
[07:35] <cellofellow> trappist: i'm not sure what it is, but it's needed for things like transparent window borders and dockers
[07:35] <cellofellow> DaSkreech: what? I missed something
[07:35] <scion> trappist: cheers, that worked
[07:36] <inteliwasp> well edgy just wants to fight me all the way to the bitter end :P   on boot, it stalls when it is running /etc/rc.local
[07:37] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: as it should
[07:37] <gonssal> hi
[07:37] <BonBonTheJon_> inteliwasp: did you re-install or upgrade
[07:37] <inteliwasp> cellofellow: what do i need to do to make it continue?
[07:37] <BonBonTheJon_> hi gonssal
[07:37] <inteliwasp> upgrade
[07:38] <gonssal> i just upgraded to 6.10 and kaffeine stopped working
[07:38] <BonBonTheJon_> inteliwasp: shoot, thats what I'm doing now
[07:38] <gonssal> console output is ""
[07:38] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: well, something in rc.local must be either taking a long time to run or freezing. Look inside and see.
[07:38] <gonssal> any clues?
[07:39] <trappist> inteliwasp: what's the contents of that file
[07:39] <inteliwasp> cellofellow: nothing in it un commented but exit 0
[07:39] <trappist> inteliwasp: that's what it should be
[07:39] <BonBonTheJon_> gonssal: try running it from konsole to see if there are any errors
[07:39] <gonssal> BonBonTheJon_:  output is "" (nothing)
[07:39] <trappist> inteliwasp: what's the first line (the shebang)
[07:39] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: i dunno what to do.
[07:39] <gonssal> no errors
[07:40] <gonssal> tried reinstalling (purged) and rebooting
[07:40] <cellofellow> !composite
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <trappist> !xgl > cellofellow
[07:41] <inteliwasp> trappist: it's #!/bin/sh -e
[07:41] <trappist> inteliwasp: that's also what it should be
[07:41] <cellofellow> trappist: not xgl, just compositioning
[07:41] <kjelderg> heh, compositioning
[07:42] <cellofellow> kjelderg: you know anything about it? KXDocker is big and black instead of transparent
[07:43] <trappist> inteliwasp: is it executable?
[07:43] <trappist> inteliwasp: do you have a /etc/init.d/rc.local?
[07:43] <inteliwasp> trappist: yes it is 755
[07:43] <kjelderg> cellofellow: did you enable the composite option for your server?
[07:43] <cellofellow> kjelderg: I don't know how, and not sure if a tnt2 video card can handle it.
[07:44] <Homer> so I hear edgy has compositing built in
[07:44] <kjelderg> I think you add Option "Composite" "enable" to the xorg.conf somewhere or other
[07:44] <kjelderg> Section Extensions, I think
[07:44] <Homer> I want pretty jumping windows
[07:45] <cellofellow> kjelderg: that's what I've read. the last time I tried, it just crashed X
[07:45] <kjelderg> pretty jumping windows are somewhat unrelated, Homer
[07:45] <Homer> really
[07:45] <Homer> that's xgl/compiz right?
[07:45] <kjelderg> cellofellow: maybe it doesn't work on a tNt2?  I'm not too sure
[07:45] <cellofellow> kjelderg: I heard that I needed some kind of kernel modules, or edit another file, or something.
[07:45] <Stork> when i try startx i get this: 'Fatal server error: no screens found' and my xorg.conf file can be found here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4vKEP281.html
[07:46] <Homer> Linux is f**king amazing, even with all the problems I can't use Windows anymore wtihout feeling eww
[07:46] <kjelderg> Homer: well...it's in indirect GL implementation: xgl|aiglx|new nvidia drivers, and a WM that can make stuff happen: compiz|beryl
[07:46] <Homer> it's weird
[07:46] <Stork> Homer, tel me about it
[07:46] <doppelganger_> crap...  i see what the deal is...
[07:47] <doppelganger_> for some reason, my dist-upgrade failed to download anything KDE
[07:47] <kjelderg> Driver "glide" ?!
[07:47] <doppelganger_> didn't install kde, nor kde-core
[07:47] <Stork> every time i use VB at college i'm always thinking about how much easier it would be with linux + java
[07:47] <kjelderg> never heard of such a thing, Stork
[07:47] <cellofellow> doppelganger_: you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:47] <Homer> I don't know I think it's apt
[07:47] <Homer> plus amarok and KDE in general
[07:47] <doppelganger_> i'm about to check that, but i did just see something like gnome-desktop-data installed
[07:47] <gnac> anyone else had trouble with *manual partitioning* on 6.10 install???
[07:47] <doppelganger_> so i should get rid of that, i suppose
[07:47] <Homer> KDE/GNOME is so much more customizeable then MS WIndows Explorer
[07:48] <Homer> I think that too has somethin to do with it
[07:48] <cellofellow> gnac: I've heard about that.
[07:48] <Stork> amarok is where it's at
[07:48] <gnac> I read on post about it, but know solution
[07:48] <gnac> *one*
[07:48] <Sugarat> Having just installed Kubuntu I tried compiling a KDE theme and get configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check  ?
[07:49] <kjelderg> Stork: hmm...honestly, the xorg.conf looks alright to me...check the log and see if there's some reason why fglrx isn't working with your card
[07:49] <kjelderg> (the most likely problem)
[07:49] <Stork> kjelderg, okay, will do
[07:49] <gnac> it complained about not selecting a root drive, which I had done
[07:49] <[GuS] > Sugarat, did you installed build-essential_
[07:49] <inteliwasp> trappist: any luck finding out what's wrong?
[07:49] <trappist> Sugarat: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:49] <Stork> kjelderg, it worked fine on dapper, then i upgraded and x refused to work
[07:49] <kjelderg> Stork: did you reinstall your driver?
[07:49] <Sugarat> Okay thanks
[07:49] <kjelderg> may be necessary...
[07:49] <Stork> kjelderg, you mean xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[07:49] <Stork> i think so
[07:49] <kjelderg> I don't use  fglrx so I'm not sure
[07:49] <Stork> lemme try again
[07:49] <kjelderg> yeah
[07:49] <kjelderg> kk
[07:50] <trappist> inteliwasp: did you say whether /etc/init.d/rc.local existed?  if so is there anything obviously wrong with it?  is it possible that it's failing to start the thing *after* rc.local?
[07:50] <Stork> is there any way to use a default (crappy) driver? i don't do anything 3d on my laptop so it's not really a problem
[07:50] <cellofellow> Stork: nv?
[07:50] <Stork> cellofellow, ati
[07:50] <cellofellow> Stork: dunno
[07:51] <Stork> kjelderg, if i try to remove that package it removes everything to do with xserver-xorg
[07:51] <kjelderg> Stork: sure, tell it to use radeon or ati or vesa if you'd like to use a "regular" driver
[07:52] <Stork> hmm, how do i get the ati driver?
[07:52] <kjelderg> the one from ATI, you mean?  (the  fglrx one)
[07:52] <Stork> oh
[07:52] <inteliwasp> trappist: it has an if statement to start /etc/rc.local and a case statement for fail
[07:52] <Stork> i think previously i was using the 'ati' driver and it worked fine
[07:53] <verardi> ciao a tutti
[07:53] <kjelderg> you can use ati if you want instead, probably.  it's part of X so it's already installed for you
[07:53] <verardi> ciao
[07:53] <BonBonTheJon_> !it | verardi
[07:53] <ubotu> verardi: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:54] <tsdgeos> BonBonTheJon_: that was rude
[07:54] <tsdgeos> he was only greeting
[07:54] <trappist> inteliwasp: what happens if you sudo /etc/init.d/rc.local start
[07:55] <inteliwasp> trappist: show
[07:56] <inteliwasp> trappist: shows [ok] 
[07:57] <trappist> inteliwasp: my guess then is that it's the thing after rc.local that's failing
[07:57] <kjelderg> BonBonTheJon_: aloha
[07:57] <pe> hello
[07:57] <inteliwasp> trappist: anyway to figure out what is next?
[07:59] <BonBonTheJon_> kjelderg: is there a hawaiian channel?
[07:59] <trappist> inteliwasp: probably :) but I wouldn't know how.  do you ever get the [ok]  after rc.local when you boot?
[07:59] <inteliwasp> trappist: this is the forst time booting 6.10
[07:59] <inteliwasp> *first
[08:00] <trappist> inteliwasp: come to think of it, rc.local is supposed to be dead last.  possibly it's failing to start X, or it's starting it but not switching you to vt7
[08:00] <dude_> abottoir: tnx....
[08:00] <Stork> kjelderg, cheers mate, not sure how or why but it worked
[08:02] <Dasnipa`> i have a gtk problem post-upgrade
[08:02] <lolina> hi, I've modified /etc/group (in admin statement, erasing all users in that group) and now i'm not able to become root. Any hint?
[08:02] <HorseHockey> hi guys, apparently my upgrade to edgy in kubuntu broke everything KDE
[08:03] <HorseHockey> when i try to install KDE, it says that things are broken, and it cannot install
[08:03] <inteliwasp> trappist: well... i think i found the sneeky troll that broke my computer...
[08:03] <HorseHockey> how can i tell what exactly is messed up with it?
[08:03] <inteliwasp> trappist: the fglrx drivers i was useing were removed
[08:03] <soulrider> i cant boon into windows
[08:03] <soulrider> i get a "kernel must bea ctive" error when i select it int he grub
[08:03] <cellofellow> soulrider: sounds like a boon to you?
[08:03] <cellofellow> !
[08:04] <soulrider> boot*
[08:05] <inteliwasp> trappist: so... what is the comand to reconfigure X?
[08:05] <soulrider> dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
[08:05] <inteliwasp> trappist: or better yet, put it to edgy defult
[08:05] <kjelderg> aseigo: howdy :)
[08:05] <aseigo> kjelderg: hey =)
[08:06] <erik_a> My Netgear WG511 WLAN card is intialized in Edgy, networks are found... but I cant connect! It was working in dapper...
[08:06] <erik_a> tried setting the wlan settings in both control panel network module, and in the separate wifi program.. no success
[08:07] <erik_a> rebooted several times, tried all options
[08:07] <yacoob> hm
[08:07] <yacoob> is there a way to automatically update filterset.g for konqueror?
[08:09] <sheft> Helllo, how do I install skype for kubuntu?
[08:09] <grothesk_> sheft: apt-get install skype
[08:10] <loz> hi everyone, bon apetit for those eating
[08:10] <Frumpy> hi, is there a 6.10 server release ?
[08:10] <grothesk_> But you'll need the right repo in your sources.list, sheft
[08:11] <jerp> yes!!
[08:11] <Frumpy> hi, is there a 6.10 server release ?
[08:11] <dude_> abottoir: are you busy?
[08:11] <jerp> <---------------- we be kickin'
[08:11] <loz> does anybody have any insight on how to get the LAN working on the latest KUBUNTU 6.10?
[08:12] <jerp> we're living like white guys :)
[08:12] <Frumpy> i found it
[08:12] <loz> i ve tried all the wifi  adeptsoftwore with
[08:12] <loz> but non work
[08:12] <BonBonTheJon_> loz: LAN or WLAN
[08:12] <loz> wlan
[08:12] <loz> sorry
[08:13] <BonBonTheJon_> loz: what have you tried
[08:13] <loz> i ve tried kiwi, and wifi radar
[08:13] <jerp> hmm.... maybe I can put the xfce on the k8 laptop
[08:13] <sheft> grothesk_: which repo is it that i need?
[08:13] <Napa> hi!
[08:14] <Napa> can anyone please help me installing jEdit ?
[08:14] <jerp> so what do I run first? adept? or synaptic?
[08:14] <loz> got to go
[08:14] <kjelderg> sheft: probably universe or multiverse
[08:14] <grothesk_> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free  shaft
[08:15] <kjelderg> what he said, then
[08:15] <kjelderg> heh...
[08:15] <jerp> deth to redmon
[08:15] <Napa> !jedit
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jedit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <kjelderg> no death to anyone!
[08:16] <jerp> well, just in a particular vernacular, if I may.
[08:16] <kjelderg> you may
[08:16] <kjelderg> :)
[08:16] <TheGateKeeper> Napa: looks like you add a couple of lines to your sources.list then pray ---> http://www.jedit.org/index.php?page=download
[08:17] <jerp> thanks :)
[08:17] <jerp> the mystery?
[08:17] <Napa> TheGateKeeper: I've tried that but I only get access denied when I'm trying to save the file
[08:18] <jerp> Motorola's SB-5120 cable modem can't be hooked to usb
[08:18] <jerp> so I tricked it
[08:18] <TheGateKeeper> Napa: had a look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1651675
[08:19] <TheGateKeeper> Napa: well I am not surprised it bitched at you
[08:19] <jerp> I have a usb ethernet gizmo that lets me hook to usb while using the cat5 to the modem.
[08:19] <Napa> so I should try to find jEdit.jar ?
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper> Napa: I would, seems like it would be a lot less agro
[08:20] <skript> dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy ended up in lots of Error messages... now I can't boot into kubuntu, looks like I'm gonna have to reinstall from cd :(
[08:20] <slangkamp> Hi
[08:21] <jerp> I went to the moto site and found the doc that noted Linux can only links through the ethernet port on 5120
[08:21] <fdoving> skript: what errors do you get? do you end up at the commandline?
[08:22] <skript> fdoving: well.. I ended up at commandline (that's where I started from) + errors were concerning python2.4
[08:22] <slangkamp> I have a problem setting up my kde4 environment on edgy I have installed build-essential but cmake gives me an CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER_FULLPATH-NOTFOUND error
[08:22] <fdoving> skript: can you connect to the internet from the commandline?
[08:23] <tsdgeos> slangkamp: probably don't have g++ installed
[08:23] <skript> fdoving:heh... I rushed a bit and restarted my system... bad idea! ;) now I can't boot so I guess it's my own fault (grrr) ;)
[08:23] <fdoving> skript: can't boot, with what error message?
[08:24] <skript> fdoving:when I boot, the root file systems gets mounted up and then the screen switches from vga graphics to text mode with blinking cursor... thats when it stops indefinitly...
[08:24] <RawSewage> !beryl
[08:24] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:24] <slangkamp> tsdgeos: g++ is installed
[08:24] <jerp> well I've been on net with Ubuntu for all of 15 mins ........... time to see about d/l'n edgy
[08:24] <sheft> Dynamic binary tar.bz2
[08:24] <sheft> Krver Qt 3.2
[08:24] <sheft> Static binary tar.bz2 med kompilerat Qt 3.2
[08:24] <sheft> Rekommenderas ej. Anvnd endast om ovanstende inte fungerar.
[08:25] <sheft> whats the diffrence between static and dynamic binary? :S
[08:25] <sheft> gonna download skype
[08:26] <twosouls82> I love Skype
[08:26] <twosouls82> :)
[08:26] <RawSewage> I guess I'll try Beryl
[08:27] <inteliwasp> is there a console based music player?
[08:27] <RawSewage> Amarok
[08:27] <twosouls82> !search exploit
[08:27] <ubotu> Found: exploit
[08:27] <RawSewage> oh nm
[08:27] <twosouls82> !exploit
[08:27] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[08:27] <cellofellow> inteliwasp: mp3blaster
[08:30] <j0rgy_> anyone installed kubuntu on an acer laptop ?
[08:30] <jerp> is there a switch to hit to see if you need updates?
[08:32] <Shadow_mil> jerp: open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:34] <RawSewage> whats the command to unlock your resources list
[08:34] <RawSewage> sudo dpkg something
[08:34] <RawSewage> sudo dpkg --configure -a  ??
[08:34] <Shadow_mil> RawSewage: what message do you have?
[08:35] <RawSewage> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:35] <t0taln00b> hi all
[08:35] <Shadow_mil> RawSewage: you have something else running that's using it, like adept
[08:35] <RawSewage> no
[08:35] <RawSewage> Im experienced
[08:35] <RawSewage> I ran sudo apt-get update , but it hung up on a URL
[08:35] <RawSewage> so I exited console
[08:35] <Shadow_mil> ok if you are you should know
[08:35] <RawSewage> so it's still stuck there
[08:35] <jerp> thanks :)
[08:36] <Shadow_mil> RawSewage: sudo killall apt-get
[08:36] <RawSewage> ty
[08:36] <RawSewage> I meant I wasnt a total newbie
[08:36] <RawSewage> so you wouldnt have to waste time with the usual  'try restrating your router' type things
[08:36] <RawSewage> Im still a Linux idiot
[08:37] <jerp> two, what's skype?
[08:37] <Shadow_mil> jerp: I not 100%, but I think it has something to do with VoIP
[08:37] <Shadow_mil> jerp: google it
[08:37] <jerp> ok
[08:38] <jharrisonwk> any issues upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[08:38] <Shadow_mil> jharrisonwk: I did... but I install it when it was in beta
[08:39] <jharrisonwk> hhmmm
[08:39] <Shadow_mil> jharrisonwk: it should be fine now
[08:39] <Napa> I've downloaded jedit42install.jar but when I try ./jedit42install.jar  I get access denied
[08:39] <fdoving> jharrisonwk: i suggest https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[08:39] <jerp> oh yeah, and that's the net thing that introduced the wifi net phones
[08:39] <jharrisonwk> fdoving: thanks
[08:39] <jerp> hahahah, wild
[08:40] <fdoving> jharrisonwk: did you install beryl and xgl stuff from 3rd party repos?
[08:40] <Shadow_mil> Napa: chmod 755 jedit<tab>
[08:40] <HorseHockey> if i'm using kubuntu, does anything gnome need to be installed for Beryl to work properly?
[08:40] <HorseHockey> it used to be that way, but now with Edgy i doubt it
[08:40] <HorseHockey> or am wondering, rather
[08:40] <Napa> bash: ./jedit42install.jar: cannot execute binary file
[08:40] <Napa> :(
[08:41] <cy08> how to mount a folder on freebsd whith kubuntu ?
[08:41] <fdoving> HorseHockey: i think you need gnome stuff.. not that i have any clue though. if you used to need. you probabl still need it.
[08:41] <HorseHockey> ok, i'll ask in #beryl then
[08:41] <Shadow_mil> Napa: try   jar <file>
[08:41] <HorseHockey> just to be sure, thanks fdoving
[08:41] <yacoob> hm
[08:41] <fdoving> HorseHockey: that is probably a good idea.
[08:42] <Shadow_mil> Napa: grr
[08:42] <yacoob> flashplugin in firefox has no sound. What gives? :)
[08:42] <ErikTheRed> does anyone have an idea as to why my phpmyadmin page won't load? it keeps asking me to download the page instead of displaying it?
[08:42] <ErikTheRed> As a note i'm trying to install mythtv
[08:42] <cy08> i have my htdocs on my freebsd webserver and now i want to mount them with kubunu in my local folder /docs/www ist that possible ?
[08:42] <yacoob> ErikTheRed, that's the sign of misconfigured apache
[08:42] <Napa> grr?
[08:42] <Shadow_mil> Napa: gij -jar <file>
[08:42] <yacoob> ErikTheRed, filetypes
[08:42] <Shadow_mil> their, that should work
[08:43] <ErikTheRed> vacoob, how do i go about fixing that?
[08:43] <Sidebar> can anyone tell me what they think of my new linux desktop? (i've only had linux installed for 2 days so don't make fun of it too much...)
[08:44] <jerp> is there a way to bookmark the update command in konsole or another termial?
[08:44] <Shadow_mil> Sidebar: ?
[08:44] <Sidebar> I took a screenshot of it
[08:44] <Napa> bash: ./jedit42install.jar: cannot execute binary file
[08:44] <Napa> bash: gij: command not found
[08:45] <Shadow_mil> jerp: ... you can make a bash file to do it
[08:45] <Shadow_mil> Napa: install Java
[08:45] <jerp> I don't know how to do that yet
[08:45] <Napa> I have installed java
[08:45] <jerp> I'll have to look it up I think
[08:45] <Shadow_mil> jerp: ok type:      nano ~/update
[08:46] <jerp> oh, cool
[08:46] <jerp> ok
[08:46] <Shadow_mil> it will open a screen, type:      #!/bin/bash on the first line
[08:46] <j0rgy> is there a graphical application to start/stop ppoe connections?
[08:46] <jerp> hit enter?
[08:46] <Shadow_mil> then on the next line add this:     sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade;
[08:46] <jerp> ok
[08:46] <Shadow_mil> then hit ctrl + x, and save it
[08:47] <jerp> yeah, I got that "new file"
[08:47] <Napa> but i need to install jedit
[08:47] <jerp> can I cut and paste into it?
[08:47] <Shadow_mil> jerp: replace that with something like update
[08:47] <Shadow_mil> jerp: yes, though you have to move the cursor
[08:47] <jerp> ok
[08:48] <Digital_Pioneer> Hey, I've got an HP OfficeJet K80, and I need to know how to use it! :)
[08:48] <Shadow_mil> jerp: once you have it saved as update, tell me
[08:48] <Digital_Pioneer> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 03f0:0711 Hewlett-Packard
[08:48] <otaku-san> I hear that edgy has a faster shutdown...anyone using it experience this?
[08:48] <Napa> please tell me how to be able to edit /etc/apt/source.list
[08:49] <Digital_Pioneer> otaku-san: I just upgraded to edgy and my system fried.
[08:49] <Napa> I can't even find it in the terminal windows
[08:49] <reldruh> Napa: go to the konsole
[08:49] <Shadow_mil> Napa: sudo nano /etc/apt/source.list
[08:49] <otaku-san> Digital_Pioneer: ohhh that hurts...how did you upgrade?
[08:49] <Digital_Pioneer> Napa: Actually, it's soures.list. ;)
[08:49] <reldruh> Napa: or if you want a gui you can do sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:49] <Digital_Pioneer> otaku-san: Modded the /etc/apt/sources.list LOL
[08:50] <Napa> but shall sources.list be a blank txt file?
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> !kdesu
[08:50] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:50] <Digital_Pioneer> Napa: No!
[08:50] <jerp> how do I save it?
[08:50] <Digital_Pioneer> Napa: Can't be, or you can't install anything. ;)
[08:50] <otaku-san> Digital_Pioneer: ya...you changed any dappers to edgy and so forth right?  Hmmm I was going to upgrade that way...
[08:50] <Napa> ah ok .. when I did kate ... it seems like a textfile with loads of text
[08:50] <Digital_Pioneer> otaku-san: Well, my X.org doesn't work anymore, and Ndiswrapper isn't working so I can't get online to reinstall it.
[08:51] <Digital_Pioneer> I'm fried.
[08:51] <j0rgy> does anyone have any experience with ppoe connections and kubuntu ?
[08:51] <reldruh> Napa: Do some of hte lines start with deb http://whatever?
[08:51] <Digital_Pioneer> Napa: I enjoy this: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:51] <jerp> shadow, how do I save that file?
[08:51] <otaku-san> Digital_Pioneer: I heard something about this....hold on and let me find it
[08:51] <Shadow_mil> jerp: ctrl + x
[08:51] <Shadow_mil> jerp it will ask you if you want to save
[08:51] <j0rgy> ... guess not.
[08:52] <jerp> shadow, ok, it's done
[08:52] <Digital_Pioneer> I really need to get this printer going....
[08:52] <reldruh> does anybody know why edgy recognizes my wireless card but won't let me enable it?
[08:54] <jerp> yep :)
[08:54] <shadowhywind> so kubuntu doesn't reconginze my midi device, anyway suggestions?
[08:55] <jerp> Shadow_mil: so I go /update and that file responds?
[08:55] <Shadow_mil> jerp: ./update
[08:55] <Shadow_mil> though ~/update would work from anywhere
[08:55] <jerp> ahhh, dot slash update
[08:56] <Shadow_mil> jerp: it work?
[08:56] <h3sp4wn> shadowhywind: there is a channel for just music related stuff (see the ubuntu-studio website) I don't remember what it is called
[08:56] <Shadow_mil> jerp: why?
[08:56] <jerp> I already ran it
[08:56] <Shadow_mil> why reboot it?
[08:56] <jerp> I types it in first before I asked for the file
[08:57] <jerp> I  don't ahve to reboot?
[08:57] <jerp> have
[08:57] <otaku-san> Digital_Pioneer: I can't find it...I do know the guy created a separate part with all his personal stuff and did a total clean install...it worked fine except his GRUB, and Ndiswrapper....Xorg too I think were all borked...
[08:57] <Shadow_mil> nope
[08:57] <paR5k> anybody speak Swedish here?  I need help but my Kubuntu is in Swedish so you probably wouldn't understand it... :P
[08:57] <shadowhywind> will look into that thanks
[08:57] <Shadow_mil> jerp: unless you got something like a kernel update
[08:57] <jerp> typed
[08:57] <raul12> hi
[08:57] <raul12> i need help
[08:57] <raul12> how to install gtk+ 2.0.6
[08:57] <paR5k> or can I change the language real quick somehow?
[08:58] <otaku-san> Digital_Pioneer: He had to go in on his live cd and fix everything....
[08:58] <Shadow_mil> raul12: use a package manger
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> paR5k: force the locale to C (to get the error message)
[08:58] <paR5k> huh?
[08:58] <raul12> how to install gtk+ 2.0.6
[08:59] <otaku-san> !sw
[08:59] <Digital_Pioneer> otaku-san: Lucky guy. Not so easy for me.
[08:59] <paR5k> I just need help with installing FrostWire on my Kubuntu and it's apparently having some problems with the dpkg
[08:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <reldruh> raul12: open up adept
[08:59] <reldruh> it's in the k-menu
[08:59] <reldruh> in the system section, I believe
[08:59] <otaku-san> hmmm whats the abbreviation for Swedish
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> paR5k: LANG=C; apt-get -f install (or whatever)
[08:59] <Shadow_mil> sw?
[09:00] <raul12> did
[09:00] <otaku-san> Digital_Pioneer: do you have a live cd?  Maybe try that
[09:00] <paR5k> that might be it
[09:00] <reldruh> raul12: in the search box at the top make sure it's only matching the package name and type in the box gtk+
[09:00] <raul12> i did it too
[09:00] <Digital_Pioneer> otaku-san: All it would do is completely reinstall. I think it would format the partition.
[09:00] <raul12> but cant not find any gtk + 2.0.6
[09:00] <larson9999> man, am i sick
[09:00] <reldruh> raul12: then check if one of those packages in the list are what you need
[09:00] <otaku-san> paR5k: I tried to get the Swedish channel of Kubuntu for you...but sw isn't it
[09:00] <otaku-san> !sd
[09:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:01] <paR5k> se might be it
[09:01] <paR5k> SE
[09:01] <trappist> oocalc just truncated a 50k line spreadsheet to 0 bytes
[09:01] <trappist> fun
[09:01] <otaku-san> !se
[09:01] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[09:01] <otaku-san> ah!
[09:01] <paR5k> ok skjysst
[09:01] <reldruh> raul12: I only get two on my computer. Depending on which repositories you have enabled you might get more or less
[09:01] <paR5k> thanks
[09:01] <otaku-san> no prob
[09:01] <paR5k> ill make sure to talk to you ppl if they cant help me though :P
[09:01] <raul12> any good repositories  link i can get ??
[09:02] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[09:02] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:02] <reldruh> raul12: go to View > Manage Repositories
[09:02] <raul12> i want to add Repositories
[09:02] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, fine, I fixed it myself. >:(
[09:02] <raul12> i need lik
[09:02] <raul12> ] link
[09:02] <bluch> hi
[09:03] <otaku-san> ok
[09:03] <bluch> i have 10 gb of unusefull soft on my laptop and i don't know what, because this is the first time kubuntu runs well with a few problems, what is the best thing to do?
[09:03] <otaku-san> larson9999: You have a cold?  I had one a few days back
[09:03] <fdoving> !repos > raul12
[09:04] <otaku-san> larson9999: howdy!  By the way
[09:04] <Dr_willis> bluch,  huh?
[09:04] <larson9999> otaku-san: stomach cramps and vomiting like mad
[09:04] <reldruh> raul12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:04] <otaku-san> !repos | raul12
[09:04] <ubotu> raul12: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:04] <bluch> well i had kubuntu installed a few times before
[09:04] <larson9999> bluch: i'd pack it up and send it to me
[09:04] <raul12> k
[09:05] <otaku-san> fdoving: DaSkreech had the same prob ;p
[09:05] <jerp> shadow, I got 382 updates with that hit for a first time; how much space would that involve to download them all?
[09:05] <larson9999> otaku-san: i think i'm pregnant
[09:05] <DaSkreech> I do?
[09:05] <roycebarber> I'm completely new to Linux... My issue is windows move slowly when I move them. I have a fast computer, 3ghz with a gig of ram. Things didnt move this slow on the previous Ubuntu version.
[09:05] <bluch> i think i have to much of the same
[09:05] <reldruh> does anybody know why my wireless card is recognized but can't be enabled?
[09:05] <Dr_willis> roycebarber,  you install the video card drivers for your card yet?
[09:05] <roycebarber> well no...
[09:05] <otaku-san> larson9999: I do hope your a woman then!  Poor soul
[09:05] <bluch> nvm
[09:05] <Dr_willis> bluch,  if the parttions got formated between installs.. then nothing got left behind.
[09:06] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: ya, you did! rotfl
[09:06] <raul12> can any 1 suggest me a good anti virus
[09:06] <larson9999> otaku-san: nope but i think i now have the slightest idea what they much go through
[09:06] <Dr_willis> raul12,  to scan for what kind of viruses? :P theres tools under linux that scann your  windows files...
[09:06] <otaku-san> larson9999: no kidding...I hate upchucking...nasty business
[09:07] <roycebarber> Is an antivirus on Ubuntu necessary?
[09:07] <raul12> how ?
[09:07] <Dr_willis> roycebarber,  totally NOT needed
[09:07] <jerp> nevermind; I spoke before I saw the notation the gui provides
[09:07] <larson9999> roycebarber: nope
[09:07] <Dr_willis> all the antivirus sofrware for linux ive seen are for scanning windows files. :)
[09:07] <raul12> trojen,spyware,malewaare etc...
[09:07] <larson9999> unless you want to scan windows files
[09:07] <raul12>  :o
[09:07] <Dr_willis> raul12,  not really a problem under linux
[09:07] <Napa> what is this message? "Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)"
[09:07] <jerp> roycebarber: they put "clam" on the live disc distro
[09:07] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: hehehe that's a crackup
[09:08] <paR5k> Ok guys, talking in #bubuntu-se is like talking to my self in Notepad.  I got the thingy in english so this is what it says:
[09:08] <paR5k> pelle@ubuntu:~$ LANG=C sudo dpkg -i /home/pelle/FrostWire-4.10.9-2.i586.deb
[09:08] <paR5k> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[09:08] <paR5k> pelle@ubuntu:~$
[09:08] <reldruh> napa, you have to do whatever you're trying to do as root
[09:08] <Dr_willis> otaku-san,  and these windows users at work have a hard time beliving it...
[09:08] <paR5k> I meant #kubuntu-se :P
[09:08] <reldruh> Napa: that's what that means. If you're running something on the terminal, put a sudo in front of it and then you should be fine
[09:08] <raul12> one more thing
[09:08] <Napa> okey
[09:09] <Napa> thanx
[09:09] <reldruh> Napa: No problem :-)
[09:09] <Napa> was afraid I had broken something ;)
[09:09] <raul12> how do i uninstall software which i installed from scource code  :p
[09:09] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: .....strange people.  There just lost...just shake your head and feel sorry for em' ;)
[09:09] <reldruh> Napa: permission denied just means that something needs to be run as root. Sudo makes you run the command as root
[09:09] <otaku-san> *they're
[09:09] <fdoving> raul12: 'make uninstall' in the source directory.
[09:10] <raul12> k
[09:10] <larson9999> reldruh: well, that's the most common thing it means but it could also mean other things.
[09:11] <otaku-san> paR5k: your trying to install Frostwire?
[09:11] <paR5k> yeah
[09:11] <reldruh> larson9999: true, but that's what it's always meant for me and for now, that was what he needed to know. Later he can learn more, but that's a good starting point
[09:12] <milan> free
[09:12] <cojynakata> I would like to know if the latest version of kubuntu supports ntfs writing
[09:13] <Dr_willis> cojynakata,  i proberly can.. but i dont think its enabled by default
[09:13] <Dr_willis> I would HOPE they dont enable it by default
[09:13] <cojynakata> why?
[09:14] <otaku-san> paR5k: there is something with Frostwire and Ubuntu....it's just a pain to install....ok get Automatix it is a graphical installer of useful mostly multimedia stuff...Frostwire is on it...I found this is the only way to easily install it
[09:14] <Dr_willis> touch: cannot touch `foo': Read-only file system
[09:14] <RawSewage> cojynakata, Ive always been able to write to Windows computers using Samba
[09:14] <Dr_willis> cojynakata,  trashing the filesystem is a bad thing
[09:14] <larson9999> reldruh: yeah but too many newbies take that stuff literal.  better to state it means you don't have the proper permissions to do what you're trying to do and most likely it means you need to run as sudo.  more than once i've seen someone wipe out files he didn't mean to becuase he was starting in the wrong dir and thought the permissions error always meant he need to run as sudo.
[09:14] <paR5k> ok, I'll try that, thanks otaku-san
[09:14] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[09:14] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:15] <otaku-san> paR5k: no prob man
[09:15] <reldruh> larson9999: all right, I'll do that from now on. Thanks :-)
[09:15] <paR5k> one last question though :P
[09:15] <paR5k> how do I get that?
[09:15] <otaku-san> Dr_willis: why did you do that? :p
[09:15] <raul12> well my x mule wont connect  :'(
[09:15] <otaku-san> paR5k: Oh hold on
[09:15] <otaku-san> !automatix
[09:15] <raul12> it just hang
[09:15] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[09:15] <paR5k> kk
[09:15] <jerp> question: is there a need for so many foreign language files on ones disc (as in; are they translating computer OS particulars or do they translate websites?)
[09:16] <otaku-san> paR5k: no don't go there...let me get you a link
[09:16] <bobbyyu> Is the final version of Edgy out yet?
[09:16] <paR5k> allright thanks :)
[09:16] <RawSewage> yes
[09:16] <raul12> well my x mule wont connect
[09:16] <RawSewage> Edgy was released yesterday
[09:16] <bobbyyu> How do I upgrade to it?
[09:16] <Napa> hmm I need to install the dpkg-dev package .. But I get a error message in adept :(
[09:17] <Napa> It says the request would destroy the packages
[09:17] <fdoving> bbt: edgy? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[09:17] <Napa> is it possible to do it manually ?
[09:17] <otaku-san> paR5k: here you are http://www.getautomatix.com/
[09:17] <erik_a> My Netgear WG511 WLAN card is intialized in Edgy, networks are found... but I cant connect! It was working in dapper...
[09:17] <erik_a> tried setting the wlan settings in both control panel network module, and in the separate wifi program.. no success
[09:17] <paR5k> thanks man
[09:18] <otaku-san> paR5k: good luck...it has some good codecs for playing DVDs also
[09:18] <Dr_willis> frostwire
[09:18] <Dr_willis> runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[09:18] <Dr_willis> lol
[09:19] <raul12> not many files on frontware
[09:19] <raul12> frostware
[09:19] <Dr_willis> frostwire and edgy dont seem to mixx
[09:19] <paR5k> great I could use that :D
[09:19] <Goliath23> hi
[09:20] <Goliath23> does anyone know how to enable video preview for icons in konqueror? it seems to be disabled and disregards konquerors settings...
[09:20] <fdoving> Dr_willis: what does 'head -n1 runFrost.sh' say? (you'll have to find runFrost.sh first.)
[09:20] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: is that another broken app on edge?
[09:20] <Goliath23> but I have preview in the files tooltips.. strange!
[09:20] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  i downloaded the frostwire deb package..
[09:21] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: ohhh
[09:21] <Dr_willis> updateing the database for locate to find the runFrostwire.sh :)
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: its because in edgy /bin/sh is dash not bash
[09:22] <erik_a> do you think my WLAN card will work if I try Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu=
[09:22] <erik_a> ?
[09:22] <BennyBoi69> Hay, How do I install the mp3 / wma decoders for the media player?
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: you can either but bash back as /bin/sh or fix the script (dpkg-reconfigure -plow dash will allow the former but I would do the later)
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> erik_a: no
[09:23] <erik_a> h3sp4wn have you heard of the wlan problems in edgy?
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> erik_a: what chipset ?
[09:23] <erik_a> ..I've seen on the forums that I'm not alone
[09:23] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/sh
[09:24] <erik_a> WG511
[09:24] <erik_a> Netgear
[09:24] <Dr_willis> ahhh
[09:24] <erik_a> it was working in dapper
[09:24] <Dr_willis> dash :) ok.. that makes sence now.
[09:24] <roycebarber> ATI and AMD are the same company now... Their driver website is making my head hurt....
[09:24] <erik_a> ..it works now too as far as getting the card inited and I can see wireless networks... however I can't connect
[09:24] <doppelganger_> When you upgrade from Dapper to Edgy, when you reboot does it come up with some kind of Kpersonalizer thing asking you where you're from, etc?
[09:24] <doppelganger_> my g/f is describing some crap i've never seen before
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> erik_a: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz (always work)
[09:25] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  great - yet another oddity the ubuntu guys did. :P heh heh
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> erik_a: (use zcat to view it)
[09:25] <erik_a> thanx h3sp4wn will try...
[09:25] <Dr_willis> However, since our policy requires all shell scripts  using /bin/sh to be POSIX compliant, any shell that conforms to POSIX can serve as /bin/sh.
[09:25] <behemoth> comment conect kopet
[09:25] <BennyBoi69> Hay, How do I install the mp3 / wma decoders for the media player?
[09:25] <Dr_willis> So only the ubuntu scripts are guarented to work with dash. :)
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: exactly dash is posix compatible its frostwires fault
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: If you need bashism's you should specify bash
[09:26] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  frostwire it some how Obligated be Posix? :P
[09:26] <Dr_willis> I can see this becoming a next top 10 Faq.
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: /bin/sh should be considered to be the bourne shell (or something 100% compatible with it)
[09:27] <Dr_willis>  here we go - a new factoid in my library
[09:27] <jerp> educate me_ what's the need for so many foreign language files on my hd?
[09:28] <jerp> pardon, foriegn
[09:28] <Dr_willis> Scripts not working right? Firewire/Frostwire --> try  dpkg-reconfigure -plow dash to set up BASH as your default 'sh' shell.
[09:28] <BennyBoi69> Anyone going to help me?
[09:28] <jerp> no, maybe I ahd it right the first time
[09:28] <Dr_willis> !mp3
[09:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <roycebarber> Dr willis your library must be thousands of volumes by now. there are so many technical aspects to linux :)
[09:28] <BennyBoi69> cheers
[09:29] <Dr_willis> BennyBoi69,  the Kubuntu FAQ has several things on mp3 also
[09:29] <BennyBoi69> oki
[09:29] <BennyBoi69> ty
[09:30] <roycebarber> How strange... I click frostwire and it doesnt open. it just ignores me.
[09:32] <cps1966> roycebarber:  drag exe.file in terminal and see what it says
[09:33] <cellofellow> I have xorg compositioning transparency working. It'd be great if it wasn't so slow.
[09:34] <roycebarber> CPS1966 terminal just says Denied..
[09:34] <cps1966> dddo it as sudo
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i grab a cd under kubuntu edgy?
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> ihave no lame
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> and in repos it isn'T there
[09:34] <paR5k> hey guys, there was an error...[again...*sigh*] 
[09:34] <paR5k> pelle@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install automatix2
[09:34] <paR5k> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:34] <paR5k> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> MetaMorfoziS: add multiverse maybe
[09:34] <MetaMorfoziS> i have
[09:35] <MetaMorfoziS> that
[09:35] <LjL> !automatix | paR5k
[09:35] <ubotu> paR5k: Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[09:35] <LjL> anyway, close Adept
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste > paR5k
[09:35] <MetaMorfoziS> paR5k: try tor ead what it said...
[09:35] <erik_a> h3sp4wn: thanks for your help, but I really didn't understand much of that file... I'm not very good in such things being just a desktop end-user... do you think I'm out of luck on this one?
[09:35] <roycebarber> My ATI Video Driver is also ignoring me....
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> MetaMorfoziS: what do you mean "grab a CD"
[09:36] <roycebarber> I would like to install video driver. its ignoring me.
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !ati > roycebarber
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe that will help
[09:36] <poopybutt> does yakuake come installed on 6.10?
[09:36] <reldruh> roycebarber: what kind of card do you have? Nvidia? ATI?
[09:36] <roycebarber> ATI Radeon x700pro pci express
[09:37] <raul12> i have installed frostware
[09:37] <cellofellow> Anybody know how to make kxdocker work as a taskbar/manager thing? Window icons.
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> poopybutt: not by default
[09:37] <raul12>  :)
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> bet you can install it
[09:37] <reldruh> roycebarber: you don't happen to know off the top of your head if that's suported by the ati driver, do you?
[09:37] <poopybutt> Admiral_Chicago: yakuake is awesome
[09:37] <raul12> do netbeans need any dependiencies
[09:37] <roycebarber> The ATI site doestn say much. It just says LINUX : )
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> poopybutt: i mean you can install it s/bet/but
[09:38] <roycebarber> I'm not sure if the driver that is ignoring me is even for ubuntu..or my card...
[09:38] <poopybutt> Admiral_Chicago: yeah, i can just apt-get that right?
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> roycebarber: did you try the link i sent to you
[09:38] <RawSewage> !beryl
[09:38] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> poopybutt: yes
[09:38] <Napa> what is gksudo in kubunto?
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Napa: kdesu
[09:38] <roycebarber> Admiralchicago... yes i clicked it, QUANTRA program came up and displayed some kind of code... but i cant read it.
[09:39] <TheGateKeeper> Napa: kdesu
[09:39] <reldruh> roycebarber: OK, it looks like your card is supported (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI)
[09:39] <reldruh> roycebarber: that page has some good install instructions
[09:39] <erik_a> should I wait for WLAN to be fixed in edgy (ie will it be fixed soon?), or should I run another dist for now?
[09:39] <Napa> and gedit is kate ?
[09:39] <Dr_willis> !edit
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <Admiral_Chicago> correct
[09:40] <roycebarber> QUANTA eats up the shortcut links you guys are sending me........ Can I copy/paste the link into firefox?
[09:40] <fa> Hello everyone. I'm getting a "Could not start kdestartupconfig. Check your installation". Did anyone ever had that problem?
[09:40] <MetaMorfoziS> Admiral_Chicago: i want to save the musics from an audiocd
[09:40] <reldruh> roycebarber: yes
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> erik_a: If you can see the network the chances are that the drivers are working ok (just the gui stuff may not be working right)
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> MetaMorfoziS: ah you want to rip the music
[09:40] <MetaMorfoziS> oh yes
[09:40] <poopybutt> when i install a program, sometimes it doesnt update the menus
[09:41] <poopybutt> how do i update the menus
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> MetaMorfoziS: give me a second
[09:41] <htraki> How Can I update from dapper 2 edgy without reinstall?
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> okay
[09:41] <Napa> hmm .. I tried to get LinuxDc++ to work but it seems like it is impossible :(
[09:41] <Admiral_Chicago> htraki: kdesu "update-manager -c -d" in the terminal
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> kde have an option if you put an audio cd to the rom you can select the save musics from cd
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> but it needs lame
[09:41] <MetaMorfoziS> that i don't have
[09:42] <MetaMorfoziS> so if you tell me how can i get lame , evrything goes work...
[09:42] <reldruh> MetaMorfoziS: have you tried going to audiocd:/ in konqueror and dragging whichever folder you want onto your hard drive?
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> MetaMorfoziS: Why not use ogg ?
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> MetaMorfoziS: ah open up Adept or the command line
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> MetaMorfoziS: Sounds better (and if you have the cd anyway)
[09:42] <htraki> Invalid option: -d
[09:42] <MetaMorfoziS> because imho my mp3 player isn't supports that
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> htraki: hold on
[09:43] <MetaMorfoziS> i tryed that
[09:44] <MetaMorfoziS> but it said "stalled" during the copy
[09:44] <MetaMorfoziS> and looks stops doing anything
[09:44] <reldruh> can anybody recommend a good portable music player that supports ogg? Or a good way to get ogg support onto an ipod?
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> htraki: no -d after all
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> htraki: kdesu "update-manager -c" in the terminal
[09:45] <cps1966> !repositories
[09:45] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> reldruh: iriver stuff does (some samsung flash players)
[09:45] <[GuS] > Hi guys... im having a problem after upgraded to Edgy... i have at my work 20 workstations.. all with edgy now... and not all seems to have this problem, is about xkb layout: http://www.lnxteam.org/downloads/pub/Kubuntu/xkb-layout.png
[09:45] <cps1966> !mp3
[09:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:45] <[GuS] > look at there... all layout "flags" ismissing
[09:45] <[GuS] > and my keyboard was configured to Genius KB-21e, spanish
[09:45] <htraki> Im think I dont have the update-manager installed, I have to look after
[09:45] <[GuS] > now i have simple english keyboard configuration.. >S
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> [GuS] : so it's not recognized by all?
[09:46] <pierre_> hi
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> [GuS] : i think you may have to reconfigure you locales
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[09:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i believe
[09:47] <htraki> Update manager is 4 gnome,but I have adept
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> htraki: from the command line
[09:47] <[GuS] > i dont think is locale problem... but i will look the link
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> open up konsole
[09:47] <[GuS] > my character looks fine
[09:48] <[GuS] > is keyboard problem.... about xkb... not locales
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> [GuS] : that was my problem once when my system couldn't do my keyboard
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> [GuS] : have you checked out /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc, there is a xkb section in there
[09:49] <[GuS] > yes, is perfectly configured
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> but i might be making that up
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm that's tricky
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> unfortunetly i have a meeting that I need to go to right now
[09:50] <[GuS] > ...
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> [GuS] : you have your own xmodmap ?
[09:51] <_seth> /
[09:52] <[GuS] > yes h3sp4wn
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> [GuS] : tried using xkeycaps ? (if anything it will just give you a basic template which you can re add your own customisations to)
[09:52] <[GuS] > mm
[09:52] <[GuS] > ok... but my question is.. why that happen after edgy upgrades?
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> edgy was intended to have a few rough edges
[09:53] <[GuS] > which is the packages that represents /etc/X11/xkb ?
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> (if perfection is important use dapper)
[09:53] <[GuS] > i mean, to reinstall it an regenerate all the conf
[09:53] <[GuS] > no no h3sp4wn  not in all workstation this is happening... so, no.
[09:53] <luxus> hello, how can i improve the preformance of my usb-drive?
[09:54] <roycebarber> After Installing my ATI Video Driver; do I need to REBOOT?
[09:55] <cps1966> no
[09:55] <cellofellow> anybody know how to auto-identify to nickserv?
[09:55] <jerp> whew! 382 update files, I be I'll have to defrag this machine tonight......
[09:55] <roycebarber> My Video Is Still Jerky. I Dont Think The Video Driver Worked
[09:55] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  many irc clients have a setting for it.
[09:55] <jerp> be=bet
[09:55] <LjL> cellofellow: yes, File, Server List, Edit, Command
[09:55] <cps1966> roycebarber:  just ctrl alt backspace
[09:55] <LjL> cellofellow: and put "/msg nickserv identify password" there
[09:55] <jerp> *snickers*
[09:55] <cellofellow> LjL: thankd
[09:55] <LjL> the password is gonna be stored in the clear, mind you
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> [GuS] : well compare a working one to a broken one then
[09:56] <[GuS] > ok...
[09:56] <[GuS] > yes, indeed i will
[09:56] <BluesKaj> why doesn't kubuntu (both dapper and Edgy )  apply my screensaver settings after I set them ?
[09:56] <cellofellow> LjL: which version of konversation was that for?
[09:56] <[GuS] > but... someone knows which is the name of the packages to reinstall /etc/X11/xkb _
[09:56] <[GuS] > ?
[09:57] <LjL> cellofellow: the one in edgy
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu doesn't see my scanner either
[09:57] <LjL> cellofellow: aka 1.0.1
[09:57] <cellofellow> LjL: figured it out anyways
[09:57] <cellofellow> LjL: thanks
[09:58] <royce> Ok well I did the CTRL ALT Backspace. It logged me out. well i logged back in and my video driver works Much Faster now. but....the pixels distort when i move a window.
[09:58] <royce> I have to refresh the window to clean up distorted pixels.
[09:58] <BonBonTheJon> I need some help
[09:58] <BluesKaj> is there a hardware/devices scan program in kubuntu ?
[09:58] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: with what?
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> I upgraded to edgy and xorg isn't working
[09:59] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: no X?
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: I have packages (xorg stuff) that didn't upgrade
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: yeah
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> BonBonTheJon: sudo aptitude purge xserver-xorg-driver~i
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> h3sp4wn: ok, I'll try that
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> BonBonTheJon: they you should be able to dist-upgrade and have it complete
[10:01] <BonBonTheJon> h3sp4wn: I'm in irssi, what do you have at the end of the aptitude line
[10:02] <cellofellow> I dist-upgraded yesterday, and then rebooted the computer this morning and nothing had changed. dist-upgrade again and it says it has to download the whole thing again. It then says it downloaded the whole thing in like two seconds and started installing.
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> BonBonTheJon: ~i
[10:02] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: It downloaded and setup everything, or so I thought
[10:02] <BonBonTheJon> h3sp4wn: is that tilde i
[10:02] <cellofellow> BonBonTheJon: just as a help, install gpm so you can use the mouse to copy and past in the shell.
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> BonBonTheJon: Is that what its called maybe it is
[10:03] <[GuS] > h3sp4wn, look what i have in xorg: (EE) Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm
[10:03] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: no, it's not X, its a special mouse thing
[10:03] <cellofellow> !gpm
[10:03] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB
[10:03] <BonBonTheJon> h3sp4wn: the skwiggily line is tilde
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> BonBonTheJon: cool
[10:03] <[GuS] > (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: I know what gpm is (but I think the cut and paste in screen is far superior)
[10:04] <cellofellow> h3sp4wn: I tried it and never could figure it out.
[10:04] <BonBonTheJon> its removing the xorg drivers, I'll try a dist-upgrade
[10:05] <royce> Resolution: My Video Driver didnt like my huge red mouse cursor. So i changed the mouse cursor. All Is Well! Thank you Everyone!!!
[10:05] <BonBonTheJon> Yay, its downloading, hopefully it will work
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> cellofellow: ctrl a [ (select the text with space beginning and end) and ctrl a ] 
[10:06] <BonBonTheJon> anyone know how to get rid of the broadcom bcm43** driver
[10:06] <pelle> how do I: "NOTE: Kubuntu/Xubuntu users will need to uncomment (remove the # before the word "deb") all the additional sources as well as add the automatix repository." ?
[10:07] <LjL> !automatix | pelle
[10:07] <ubotu> pelle: Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[10:07] <poopybutt> how do i update the kmenu after i install a program?  i know update-menus works in debian.  does that still work in kubuntu?
[10:09] <Martijn81> poopybutt: tried running kbuildsycoca?
[10:10] <inteliwasp> what is the exact command to reconfigure X?
[10:10] <Nox_ville> hey ppl.. ive got a network card on KWiFiManager and it finds networks but wont let me connect to one.. the "Switch to network" button is ghosted out and "Out of Range" is displayed.. even though i know the network is in range.... please help
[10:10] <royce> I too love Edge, after I got the Freakin video driver installed!
[10:11] <Martijn81> inteliwasp: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:11] <royce> Edgy that is.
[10:11] <poopybutt> inteliwasp: ctrl alt backspace?
[10:11] <poopybutt> oh that
[10:11] <royce> What the heck does CRTL ALT Backspace do??? Its what got my video driver to work. but what does it do?
[10:11] <poopybutt> restarts x
[10:11] <royce> Oh.
[10:12] <poopybutt> x needs a restart for settings to update like resolution and stuff
[10:12] <royce> I'm celebrating Edgy and my video driver success with a tall wine glass filled with mountain dew!
[10:13] <Agravain> oh, goody, more people than me had that restart xorg to make it work bug?
[10:13] <felixjet> do anyone have a little guide of imagemagick to resize batch files via script
[10:13] <felixjet> ?
[10:13] <Russel> hiho
[10:14] <Martijn81> lohi
[10:14] <Agravain> felixjet: for file in *.jpg; do convert -size 1024x768 $file $file-small.jpg;done # mini-howto
[10:14] <Russel> i have a problem: sometime i get heavy disk usage (perhaps swap) and no response from the system... after some time it is gone (this time it killed a process)
[10:14] <Russel> is anything known about a memory leak in edgy?
[10:15] <felixjet> thanks Agravain
[10:15] <felixjet> do you know how to use the max value of H and W to a certain value?
[10:16] <felixjet> i mean, convert the max value (height/weigh) to a specific and the other resize at same %
[10:16] <sorush20> finally I'm in the gui x
[10:16] <felixjet> if not ill just read the entire guide of --help xD
[10:16] <Agravain> felixjet: nope, don't remember much of the syntax, I'm afraid, but maybe you could use the output of identify to get the original resolution
[10:16] <Homer> I LOVE LINUX
[10:16] <MetaMorfoziS> i have installed simple x86 edgy for a dualcore 64bit intel processor, can i fix this without any reisntall?
[10:17] <royce> Homer...I'm right there with you.
[10:17] <Agravain> so, where can I read more about this my display is screwed up until I restart Xorg - bug?
[10:18] <royce> agravain did you install some drivers that naturally required a restart? in which case is it really a bug?
[10:19] <BonBonTheJon> I am still having problems, it says it can't lock the authority locking file
[10:20] <MukiEX> Issue in Edgy : Under the crystal theme, the side window border doesn't hide on maximize.
[10:20] <Nox_ville> how do i let mp3's play in amarok?
[10:20] <LjL> !mp3 > Nox_ville
[10:21] <royce> Does anyone have a quick sollution to getting FrostWire to run? It ignores me when i try to open it. So I dragged the Shortcut into Terminal and it says "Denied".
[10:21] <MukiEX> Is there any sort of fix at the moment for that?
[10:21] <Agravain> royce: nope, this happened after booting the live cd and also after boot of default install
[10:22] <MetaMorfoziS> Pe
[10:22] <MetaMorfoziS> only the kernel is the difference between 32bit and 64bit edgy?
[10:22] <cps1966> no
[10:23] <MetaMorfoziS> what else?
[10:23] <MetaMorfoziS> so i need a fullreisntall if i installed wrong version?
[10:23] <cps1966> packages
[10:23] <RawSewage> how is 85 frames/sec
[10:23] <RawSewage> is that good
[10:23] <RawSewage> oh I see
[10:23] <RawSewage> that means 85 MHz
[10:23] <RawSewage> I mean 85 Hz
[10:23] <pielgrzym> could somebody politely explain me why this total flaw and shit called edgy on a clean install suddenly stopped detecting my network card? and why the idiots did't put native support for lvm?
[10:23] <MetaMorfoziS> cps can i do the change without reinstall?
[10:24] <cps1966> MetaMorfoziS:  no
[10:24] <Agravain> pielgrzym: maybe the alternate or server installers contain support for lvm
[10:24] <pielgrzym> it doesnt
[10:24] <pielgrzym> fortunately it's only two small packages
[10:24] <Agravain> pielgrzym: hmm.. that's surprising
[10:25] <Karol84PL> Hello, does anyone know any mirror of http://packages.freecontrib.org dapper repo? There's a problem with connection with that one.
[10:25] <yango> has anyone had any trouble with the upgrade?
[10:25] <pielgrzym> the question is: what's dumber: to use 488kb to install lvm support or maybe to put another shitty kde theme :[
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> yango: I'm having trouble right now
[10:25] <pielgrzym> but my main concern is
[10:25] <yango> BonBonTheJon: what kind fo trouble?
[10:25] <Agravain> yango: yeah, it broke emacs here
[10:25] <pielgrzym> wtf happened to my network card?
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> yango: xorg is messed up
[10:25] <Spudchat> hey everybody, im having a hard time installing a second monitor on my laptop, it works fine until the nvidia driver kicks in, then i only get a picture on the attached monitor. i just want the new monitor to be my primary monitor intead of the laptop's monitor
[10:26] <yango> good to know :) will wait a couple of weeks then
[10:26] <Agravain> Spudchat: read up on nvidia twinview, it
[10:26] <pielgrzym> dapper live cd detects the card perfectly - edgy, after installing home from dapper install stopped detecting ANY network interfaces aparat from loopback
[10:26] <Agravain> Spudchat: read up on nvidia twinview, it's easy to configure
[10:26] <Spudchat> ok thanks
[10:26] <MetaMorfoziS> so not any solution to change 32bit installation to 64 without reisntall:((
[10:26] <cps1966> nope
[10:27] <Agravain> Spudchat: nvidia has its own way of dealing with multiple monitors (twinview), so the general guides (xinerama) doesn't apply
[10:27] <Agravain> pielgrzym: yeah, that's too bad... what kinda nic is it?
[10:27] <BonBonTheJon> anyone know how to troubleshoot xorg
[10:28] <Nox_ville> Ljl: ive got a wireless network card, ive set sudo iwlist ath0 essid hpsetup (the access point name) then sudo dhclient.. i only get an ipv6 address but i need a ipv4 one... please help
[10:28] <LjL> Nox_ville: i don't have wireless
[10:28] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: I had a problem with xorg on edgy, that was resolved by restarting xorg before logging in, that's ctrl-alt-backspace to restart
[10:28] <reagleBRKLN> im in NY, which deb src should i use for edgy upgrade?
[10:28] <pielgrzym> Agravain: nic?
[10:28] <reagleBRKLN> us.archive ~30kB/s
[10:28] <Agravain> pielgrzym: network interface card
[10:29] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: I restarted the computer and xorg won't come up
[10:29] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: even startx doesnt work
[10:29] <royce> Should we give Edgy some slack for being new... Or should we bag on it for being a "stable" version that doesnt support enough drivers. I love it, dont get me wrong. It's just... Sigh. I'm used to windows. Dont be mad at me : )
[10:29] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: oh.. and you have been making changes to xorg.conf?
[10:29] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: I try to reconfigure and it says its not fully installed or something
[10:30] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: you run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server ?
[10:30] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, whats the difference
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> em64t is the intel's 64bit architecture?
[10:30] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: that was what I meant
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> so i need that if ia have 64bit intelproc
[10:30] <pielgrzym> Agravain: in dapper it's eth0, edgy live cd sees it as eth1
[10:30] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: what message do you get?
[10:30] <RawSewage> !beryl
[10:30] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[10:31] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: it says its broken or not fully installed
[10:31] <Agravain> pielgrzym: yes.. that's annoying..
[10:31] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: try sudo apt-get -f install
[10:31] <royce> On YouTube I saw a Window effect that 'Wobbled' the window when you move it. It was graphically impressive. Does anyone know what its called.
[10:31] <pielgrzym> Agravain: yup, that's dramatic :( don't want such kubuntu :(
[10:32] <Agravain> pielgrzym: it's a problem with the linux kernel in certain versions, not ubuntu only
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: use ifrename
[10:32] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: it didnt do anything
[10:32] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: okay, then I don't know
[10:33] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: thanks, anyone else have any ideas
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: then you can specify in /etc/iftab devicemappings by mac address
[10:34] <pielgrzym> h3sp4wn: could you give me more hint about this?
[10:34] <BonBonTheJon> is it safe to delete .Xauthority
[10:34] <jerp> let's say you got a file with a big name and you don't want to type that name out; is there a shortcut?
[10:34] <BonBonTheJon> jerp: tab key
[10:35] <jerp> bonbon, ahh, cool
[10:35] <jerp> thanks
[10:35] <BonBonTheJon> what permissions should ~/.Xauthority have
[10:35] <jerp> I have an update for my video card on a 64-bit
[10:36] <pupeno_> Hello.
[10:36] <pupeno_> We have two networks here with a router in the middle. There are SMB servers in both of them and everybody, from Windows, can access any of them. But I can access only the ones on my network. Do I have to do anything special to access those in the other network ?
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: man 5 iftab (once its installed)
[10:36] <roycebarber> I'm going to ask again. Does anyone know the program that 'wobbles' or 'jiggles' the window when you move it.
[10:36] <pielgrzym> h3sp4wn: thanks
[10:36] <LjL> !xgl > roycebarber
[10:36] <lupine_85> roycebarber: beryl
[10:36] <lupine_85> it's a whole replacement window manager, though ;)
[10:36] <roycebarber> TY
[10:36] <Agravain> pupeno_: yes, look at winipcfg or ipconfig /all in windows, and note the wins server ip
[10:37] <Agravain> pupeno_: then config your linux machine to use that wins server for name lookups
[10:37] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: can you check what permissions you ~/.Xauthority has
[10:37] <Agravain> pupeno_: wins is necessary to look up names outside your c-net in windows
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: you can get the mac addresses from ip link show (presuming iproute is installed)
[10:37] <pupeno_> Agravain: in /etc/samba/smb.conf ?
[10:38] <Agravain> pupeno_: yes
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> pielgrzym: or just bridge netbios between the 2 networks
[10:38] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: yeah, it's 600
[10:38] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: owner:
[10:38] <BonBonTheJon> ?
[10:38] <pielgrzym> h3sp4wn: I use hwaddress in /etc/network/interfaces since I need to have certain mac for my ISP
[10:39] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: 600 means owner has rw, others have nothing
[10:39] <Nox_ville> k.. ppl, how do i get mp3's working in amarok
[10:39] <LjL> !mpe | Nox_ville
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <LjL> !mp3 | Nox_ville
[10:39] <ubotu> Nox_ville: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:39] <Spudchat> lol the twinview worked! now if i could only get them on the right sides  :)
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> pupeno_: if you bridge netbios traffic then it will work also
[10:39] <sredna> Hi
[10:39] <sredna> How do I know my current kubuntu version?
[10:39] <Agravain> Spudchat: congratulations!
[10:39] <LjL> sredna: cat /etc/issue
[10:39] <Nox_ville> Ljl: i tried that...  it now plays mp3's in noatun.. not amarok tho..
[10:39] <LjL> Nox_ville: what did you try exactly?
[10:40] <sredna> Nox_ville: Thanks :)
[10:40] <Agravain> Nox_ville: just install libxine-extracodecs
[10:40] <Nox_ville> sredna: ?
[10:41] <BonBonTheJon> Agravain: who is the owner of .Xauthority?
[10:41] <pupeno_> Agravain: I did that, but I still can't connect. What else do I have to do ?
[10:41] <Agravain> 198 packages downloaded.. %198.. % apt one down install it around ..
[10:41] <pupeno_> h3sp4wn: you mean on the router ?
[10:41] <Agravain> BonBonTheJon: you are, the user in questions
[10:41] <Nox_ville> Agravain: ive done that.. amarok still doens't play mp3's tho...
[10:41] <sredna> Nox_ville: Sorry, that was someone else
[10:42] <sredna> LjL: Thanks
[10:42] <LjL> Nox_ville: have you closed it (*closed* it - not just sent it to the tray) and reopened it?
[10:42] <Agravain> pupeno_: hmm.. you set wins-server in the smb.conf?
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> pupeno_: yep (it can be done by an intelligent switch also)
[10:42] <sredna> I attempt to upgrade to edgy
[10:42] <sredna> Though installing amarok isn't really on my wishlist :\
[10:43] <pupeno_> h3sp4wn: but it works for others, so, I prefeer not to touch that router.
[10:43] <pupeno_> Agravain: yes.
[10:43] <sredna> And vim is definately not
[10:43] <Nox_ville> Ljl: thanks.. it now works...
[10:44] <sredna> But I can remove those again later
[10:44] <bLaZeD> anyone here know why i cant install mplayer?...im running edgy.....and i think i have all my repos set up correctly
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> bLaZeD: PLF usually has an uncrippled mplayer (with everything enabled)
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> !PLF
[10:45] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[10:45] <pupeno_> Agravain: any way to troubleshoot ?
[10:45] <bLaZeD> i was having issues with there mirror
[10:45] <bLaZeD> it would itme out and stuff
[10:45] <Agravain> pupeno_: yes... with smbclient
[10:46] <Agravain> pupeno_: are you connecting using kde/konqueror or smbclient?
[10:46] <bLaZeD> yea i still cant axx there site
[10:46] <BonBonTheJon> how can I force a reinstall of xorg
[10:46] <pupeno_> Agravain: I tried both. smbclient said: Connection to MAI failed.
[10:46] <bLaZeD> Resolving packages.freecontrib.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
[10:47] <kay> hello someone knows a good program to make gif (fast and easy) (no gimp plz)
[10:47] <bLaZeD> this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ulteo.us/188
[10:47] <Nox_ville> how can i change the style of my pc from plastik to another one?
[10:47] <BonBonTheJon> kay: kpaint
[10:48] <kay> BonBonTheJon:  THX
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> bLaZeD: so you can either build mplayer from source - try to build the debian-multimedia source or try to use the one from the repos (which has less features enabled)
[10:48] <aseigo> kolourpaint
[10:48] <Agravain> pupeno_: okey, smbclient -L <host on that other network> results in that message?
[10:48] <kay> aseigo: THX
[10:48] <bLaZeD> h3sp4wn, it wont install
[10:48] <bLaZeD> h3sp4wn, id be happry with the same mplayer dapper had
[10:49] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: Hey man!
[10:49] <pupeno_> Agravain: list of shares and list of servers.
[10:49] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: hi
[10:49] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: you have any idea how to force a reinstall of xorg
[10:49] <CVirus> I upgraded from dapper to edgy and now when I cat /proc/cpuinfo ... I see this cpu MHz         : 1000.000 instead of cpu MHz         : 1600.000 with dapper .. although i'm using the generic kernel .. what could be wrong ?
[10:50] <pupeno_> Trying to create an encrypted file system with "cryptsetup -y create crypt /dev/hda3
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> bLaZeD: you have the options choose 1 and do it (maybe you just don't have all repositories enabled)
[10:50] <Nox_ville> who can help me with wifi networking ??? i really desparatly need help>>!!!
[10:50] <pupeno_> Trying to create an encrypted file system with "cryptsetup -y create crypt /dev/hda3" I've got the error: Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.07 (2006-05-11)(compat) and kernel driver. What am I doing wrong ?
[10:50] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: no idea....you update to edgy?
[10:50] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: yeah, and xorg is funked up
[10:50] <kay> aseigo: can you help how i do it?
[10:51] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: it seems that's happening alot in edgy
[10:51] <bLaZeD> h3sp4wn, http://pastebin.ulteo.us/189  thoese are the only mplayers i have availibe...and mplayer wont install neither will mplayer-363
[10:51] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: not good, I'm thinking the best approach is to back up and do a clean install
[10:51] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: sorry I couldn't help...you try to google it?
[10:51] <bLaZeD> *386
[10:51] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: its hard googling in lynx
[10:51] <lupine_85>  if X is borken after an update to edgy, make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed
[10:52] <lupine_85> if that doesn't work, switching to the 'vesa' driver is probably going to work as a temporary solution
[10:52] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: ahhhh....why do you use lynx?
[10:52] <cps1966> lupine_85:  try kubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <BonBonTheJon> otaku-san: text web browser
[10:53] <aseigo> kay: if it isn't installed, go into adept and search for kolourpaint ... install it and then run it from the k menu
[10:53] <lupine_85> oh... yep, sorry
[10:53] <CVirus> is it safe to apt-get remove klaptopdaemon after I ugraded to edgy ?
[10:53] <lupine_85> I tyhought this was #ubuntu :D
[10:53] <otaku-san> BonBonTheJon: no I know what it is ;) why do you use it tho'?
[10:53] <jerp> I did a .run file in the "run program" under "Applications" in Xfce, what are the odds on that getting installed?
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: or remove all of xserver-xorg-driver~i (and install xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all)
[10:53] <kay> i did
[10:53] <kay> i have installed it
[10:53] <kay> but how do i make a gif in it
[10:53] <lupine_85> that too, I guess
[10:53] <jerp> ...hey, I'm a newb
[10:53] <kay> i know it in gimp
[10:54] <ariadm> gimp is good
[10:54] <lupine_85> btw, has anyone experienced KDE being ultra-fast in edgy?
[10:54] <willzzz> i'm trying to fix my dependency problems but i get: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1611 package `libvorbisfile3':
[10:54] <willzzz>  field name `Sourcm;' must be followed by colon
[10:54] <willzzz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[10:54] <Nox_ville> who can help me with wifi networking ??? i really desparatly need help>>!!!
[10:54] <willzzz> it the libvorbisfile3 screwed up on dapper?
[10:54] <BonBonTheJon> Nox_ville: whats the problem
[10:54] <lupine_85> it's really weird - my laptop (usually running at 300MHz + 128MB RAM) goes like the clappers
[10:54] <lupine_85> Nox_ville: what card/chipset?
[10:55] <pupeno_> Agravain: smbtree shows: cli_start_connection: failed to connect to MAI<20> (0.0.0.0).
[10:55] <Nox_ville> its an onboard atheros ar5212 on a hp nw8000 laptop
[10:55] <lupine_85> so you're using the madwifi drivers ... what error are you getting
[10:56] <kay> aseigo: installation is not the problem the problem is how to make a gif in it
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: maybe now you appreciate how broken kde in dapper is
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: (that is what it should be like anyway - is in kanotix / debian etc etc)
[10:57] <Nox_ville> well no error really.. im sudo iwlist ath0 (my wireless) essid hpsetup (the access point) then sudo dhclient but i get only a ipv6 ip address not a ipv4.. so i can't ping any ipv4 machines... i.e. this one
[10:57] <lupine_85> hehe maybe
[10:57] <Agravain> pupeno_: enable more debug?
[10:57] <lupine_85> Nox_ville: is the wireless card associating to the AP ?
[10:57] <psychiccyberfrea> anyone having a problem with the repositories and apt?
[10:57] <BonBonTheJon> h3sp4wn: that did it, I installed xorg and it works
[10:57] <lupine_85> e.g. when you run iwconfig does it like a MAC addresss for the AP
[10:58] <Nox_ville> lupine_85: it says access point not asscociated...
[10:58] <Nox_ville> psychiccyberfrea: how do i check?
[10:58] <lupine_85> ok. does "sudo iwlist ath0 scan" list the AP?
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> BonBonTheJon: Thought it might (same thing as has been needed throughout the edgy unstable cycle - I would have thought some transitional packages could have been done - I think the only officially supported way is with the upgrade manager)
[10:59] <Agravain> pupeno_: try to find out if it really uses the wins-server
[10:59] <Nox_ville> lupine_85: yes.. all 4 possible networks...
[10:59] <Agravain> pupeno_: I don't have any other ideas
[11:00] <lupine_85> ok - run sudo iwconfig ath0 ap <ap's MAC address>
[11:00] <aseigo> kay: hmm... interesting that it doesn't list that as an export option in kubuntu's packages.. not sure what's up there
[11:00] <lupine_85> the MAC address is listed in the results of iwlist ath0 scan
[11:00] <kay> aseigo:  ok dude I HAVE INSTALLED IT ALREADY BUT HOW MAKE I A GIVE IN THE PROGRAM??????????
[11:01] <Nox_ville> yes
[11:01] <Nox_ville> @lupine
[11:01] <bLaZeD> i now changed my sources.list to this.... http://pastebin.ulteo.us/190   and ran sudo apt-get update..but its trying to update a repo that isnt in the list anymore...its still trying to update http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org
[11:01] <kay> aseigo: HOW MAKE I A GIF IN IT????
[11:01] <psychiccyberfrea> anyone having a problem with the repositories and apt?
[11:01] <aseigo> kay: usually you'd find it as an option in the dialog under File -> Export
[11:01] <pupeno_> Agravain: it seems wins resolving is failing: http://paste.lisp.org/display/28815
[11:01] <kay> k thx
[11:01] <ariadm> kay; why don't you do it with gimp? (or i'm just missed something...)
[11:02] <aseigo> kay: and yes, i understand what you're asking. calm down. jesus
[11:02] <kay> aseigo: i am sorry...
[11:02] <kay> aseigo: but you know what a gif it?
[11:02] <Nox_ville> lupine_85: any ideas?
[11:02] <Agravain> pupeno_: sorry, I'm all out of ideas
[11:03] <sorush20> hi has anyone here got beethere ?
[11:03] <aseigo> kay: i assume you're refering to the image format. which was until quite recently encumbered by patents held by unisys.
[11:03] <sorush20> wrong channel.
[11:03] <kay> aseigo: i dont want to save a pic as gif i wanan do 62 pics to make one gif
[11:04] <aseigo> kay: an animated gif?
[11:04] <kay> aseigo: sure
[11:04] <kay> aseigo: yes
[11:04] <aseigo> lol ... saying so from the start would've helped.
[11:04] <lupine_85> Nox_ville: [21:58]  <lupine_85> ok - run sudo iwconfig ath0 ap <ap's MAC address>
[11:04] <psychiccyberfrea> each layer is a 'frame' in the gimp, so when you export it as a gif it will do that
[11:05] <bLaZeD> k somthing is defianltly wrong......ive compleatly changed my sources.list.....and its still trying to update a mirror that isnt in my sources.list anymore
[11:05] <kay> aseigo: ok know we know what i want and now i have a progam i could realy need but how can i make now an animation gif?
[11:06] <kay> couldn't*
[11:06] <aseigo> kay: only one i know of off-hand is the gimp
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: or play with wlanconfig (you can have upto 4 interfaces per card with madwifi -ng (3 ap's with different ssid's / bssid's and 1 client pretty cool)
[11:06] <psychiccyberfrea> kwrita is another I think
[11:06] <psychiccyberfrea> anyone having a problem with the repositories and apt?
[11:06] <bLaZeD> bah brb
[11:06] <kay> aseigo: hm... i guess but it is not the easyiest way to do a gif
[11:06] <bLaZeD> psychiccyberfrea, yea i am
[11:06] <psychiccyberfrea> ok I'm not going crazy
[11:07] <Nox_ville> lupine_85: done.. now what
[11:07] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: whats that
[11:07] <willzzz> does anyone know any faster mirrors except for the us.archive.ubuntu.com ones?
[11:07] <Nox_ville> !wlanconfig
[11:08] <willzzz> their running really slow for me... probbaly because of the upgrade rush
[11:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlanconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: the madwifi config utility
[11:08] <LjL> willzzz, depends on your location. try se. or hr.
[11:08] <lupine_85> Nox_ville: hopefully you now have internet
[11:08] <willzzz> i'm in the us, so it's the closest one to me...
[11:08] <willzzz> i'm saying any other ones
[11:08] <cps1966> willzzz:  try cz ones
[11:08] <lupine_85> does iwconfig show the access point as being associated?
[11:09] <jhutchins_wk> I can't get X to start after upgrading to edgy.
[11:09] <CVirus> !upgrade
[11:09] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[11:09] <ariadm> kay; -> http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1664.html
[11:09] <aseigo> kay: indeed it's not. here: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~dhyatt/supercomp/n401a.html
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: wlanconfig ath0 destroy; wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta; wlanconfig ath1 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode ap (that sort of stuff)
[11:09] <jhutchins_wk> What does it mean when apt-get says 'the following packages have been kept back'
[11:10] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: where can i get it?
[11:10] <aseigo> kay: imagemagick is neat =)
[11:10] <willzzz> found one... a local uni has a mirror that's ALOT faster =)
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: Is it not already installed ?
[11:10] <Nox_ville> i don't have it installed
[11:10] <Nox_ville> no..
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> jhutchins_wk: it has an updateable candidate but it isn't going to be installed iirc
[11:10] <kay> aseigo:  ii search for it thx man
[11:10] <fdoving> jhutchins_wk: ofen means they are not installed because it has to remove some packages before installing.
[11:10] <Nox_ville> link please.. (i got no internet on the linux box)
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> python packages are being help back in Edgy for some reason (also iirc)
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: madwifi.net (but its part of madwifi)
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> !find wlanconfig
[11:11] <ubotu> Package/file wlanconfig does not exist in dapper
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> !find wlanconfig edgy
[11:11] <kay> aseigo:  found it you mean this can help me?
[11:11] <jhutchins_wk> So how do I get around it?  X wasn't upgraded and now won't run.
[11:11] <ubotu> Package/file wlanconfig does not exist in edgy
[11:11] <fdoving> jhutchins: step 6. at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade explains how to install them.
[11:11] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: ive got dapper anyway
[11:11] <aseigo> kay: did you read the link?
[11:11] <luxus> anyone know a good ftp client? with a nice featureset
[11:12] <aseigo> kay: because if you do, i think you'll have your answer
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: forget what I said then
[11:12] <kay> aseigo: what link?
[11:12] <lupine_85> "ftp" :)
[11:12] <kay> aseigo: lol i search with apt-cache
[11:12] <aseigo> [15:10]  <aseigo> kay: indeed it's not. here: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~dhyatt/supercomp/n401a.html
[11:12] <luxus> anyone know a good ftp client with graphical interface ? with a nice featureset
[11:13] <Ace2016> which should i install? azureus or azureus-gcj ???
[11:13] <kay> aseigo: damn THX i am in your fault
[11:13] <Nox_ville> so WTF must i do?
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> luxus: Why graphical (most of the most featureful ftp clients are text only)
[11:13] <aseigo> luxus: kftpgrabber? kbear?
[11:14] <aseigo> luxus: http://www.kde-apps.org/?xcontentmode=236
[11:14] <kay> aseigo: the funny is it seems to me i have it already on my pc :-(
[11:14] <aseigo> kay: even easier then =)
[11:14] <ariadm> oh my jessus.......
[11:14] <kay> aseigo: again thx
[11:14] <jhutchins_wk> fdoving: Thanks,looks like I needed step 5 as well.
[11:14] <luxus> sorry for the stupid questions ;D i use gnome for years ;D
[11:15] <fdoving> jhutchins_wk: you're welcome :)
[11:15] <aseigo> kay: perhaps someone should write a small gui app that uses convert in the background ... call it something -obvious- like "kanimatedgif" ;)
[11:16] <fdoving> luxus: kftpgrabber and kasablanca are in the universe repository. you can get then with adept easily.
[11:16] <Agravain> konver:)
[11:16] <Agravain> konvert even
[11:16] <tahim> someone can tell me where I can find the md5sum for kubuntu 6.10??
[11:16] <kay> aseigo: llol
[11:16] <luxus> fdoving: yeah thanks i allready tested both i think kftpgrabber will do the job
[11:16] <Ace2016> from what i've found there seems to be a performance gain in using azureus-gcj is that right?
[11:16] <fdoving> tahim: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/MD5SUMS
[11:17] <fdoving> tahim: signature: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/MD5SUMS.gpg
[11:17] <fdoving> tahim: ops, that was ubuntu, not kubuntu.. hang on.
[11:17] <Nox_ville> can some1 help me set up wireless please.
[11:17] <tahim> thanks
[11:17] <tahim> I can't find for kubuntu
[11:17] <fdoving> tahim: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.10/MD5SUMS and MD5SUMS.gpg
[11:17] <tahim> just for ubuntu
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes (iwlist ath0 scan is working) so just follow that document and it will work
[11:18] <esben> Evening people :) Anyone know where to get debootstrap thing for kubuntu egde? Or can I use the ubuntu one these days?
[11:18] <tahim> thanks...
[11:18] <Ace2016> AHH!!! how come i only see 4 folders in /    and i created two of them, the others are media and home
[11:18] <Ace2016> are they hidden?
[11:19] <Nox_ville> can some1 help me set up wireless please.
[11:19] <Ace2016> i'm in kdesu konqueror
[11:19] <Ace2016> where did bin and stuff go? hidden?
[11:19] <fdoving> Ace2016: yes, they are hidden. view -> show hidden files
[11:19] <Agravain> interesting.
[11:19] <Ace2016> what the
[11:19] <Ace2016> how come files not starting with "." are hidden?
[11:19] <ubuntu_> hi...I'm having some problems installing kubuntu
[11:19] <esben> Ace2016: It's a convention thing
[11:20] <LjL> !hidden-root | Ace2016
[11:20] <ubotu> Ace2016: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> Ace2016: In edgy ?
[11:20] <Ace2016> h3sp4wn: yup
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> Ace2016: same reason they are in windows
[11:21] <Ace2016> I like it, its nice, now i can make folders in / for myself
[11:21] <ubuntu_> I already have 9gb in linux partition and 2gb in swap..but kubuntu doesn't detect it
[11:21] <ubuntu_> what can I do?
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: mount it
[11:21] <ubuntu_> how..I'm in live cd mode
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: mount /dev/whatever /mnt
[11:22] <ubuntu_> it gives me "only root can do that"
[11:22] <Nox_ville> greets
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: use sudo then
[11:23] <Nox_ville> help me please set up wifi
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: prefix sudo the command
[11:23] <ubuntu_> but what's the password?
[11:23] <LjL> !root > ubuntu_
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: maybe ubuntu - or shouldn't be one in the live cd
[11:24] <LjL> h3sp4wn: no password in the live cd, you just need to use sudo
[11:24] <ubuntu_> but only this option I have from the bootable cd
[11:24] <esben> Can I use debootstrap to make a base installation of ubuntu, and then switch the repositories to Kubuntu egde? Would that work?
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> esben: deboostrap edgy directly
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> esben: the repos are the same
[11:25] <ubuntu_> i'm not really an expert :) how do I do that?
[11:25] <Nox_ville> PLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE help me set up wifi
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: Read that document I told you anything you don't understand but need help / doesn't work etc means nothing and is a waste of time
[11:25] <esben> h3sp4wn: Great, thanks!
[11:26] <ubuntu_> oh...and it gives me also an error when launching qtparted
[11:26] <Y2J> hi there, i need some help !
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: use the alternative cd
[11:27] <ubuntu_> what alternative cd?..I've downloaded the iso from a website
[11:27] <ubuntu_> It's all that I got
[11:27] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: ive read that flooping doc 30 times... still won't connect to a network
[11:27] <Y2J> ihm..any help, please ?!
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: I don't believe you - I know for a fact madwifi will work on dapper exactly according to that doc
[11:28] <Nox_ville> madwifi drivers load but then wtf?
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: and the fact that iwlist ath0 scan is working means that the driver is definately working
[11:28] <Nox_ville> its not the flooping driver thats the problem.. its the connecting to a network....
[11:28] <Nox_ville> jc
[11:28] <Nox_ville> !!
[11:28] <Y2J> I just can't find a torrent file for the dc image - DVD torrent is so big and i dunno why !?
[11:28] <some0ne> Nox_ville: Get a better network.
[11:29] <Nox_ville> some0ne: speak when ure spoken to
[11:29] <Nox_ville> some0ne: my network is perfect...
[11:29] <lotusleaf> Y2J: for the kubuntu dvd iso ?
[11:29] <some0ne> Nox_ville: Learn how to spell.
[11:29] <bLaZeD> !restricted
[11:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: The problem is you - not the driver
[11:30] <Y2J> lotusleaf: No, only the ubuntu ..I'm newb in this ubuntu !
[11:30] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: thats why i am asking for help!@!!!!
[11:30] <Nox_ville> jc
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: so which part of the document don't you understand
[11:30] <lotusleaf> Y2J: what are you looking for, the ubuntu edgy DVD torrent or CD torrent? you're in Kubuntu so I assumed you were interested in Kubuntu with KDE?
[11:30] <Y2J> lotusleaf: i need torrent for cd image cause dvd is so big ? what it's include to be 3GB+ ?
[11:30] <Nox_ville> the part where it is supposed to connect to the network
[11:31] <lotusleaf> Y2J: cdimages.ubuntu.com
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: doesn't mean anything
[11:31] <Y2J> lotusleaf: i can't reach ubuntu channel..appears empty right here(chatzilla)
[11:31] <some0ne> Nox_ville: ifconfig ath0 essid <network> enc <key> ; dhclient ath0
[11:31] <lotusleaf> Y2J: try joining again #ubuntu
[11:32] <Nox_ville> k.. i assign all the commands and crap it says but still i don't get a ipv4 address.
[11:32] <Y2J> lotusleaf: thanks , it's working ,, so am i done here?
[11:33] <ubuntu_> ok..I've mounted the drives
[11:33] <lotusleaf> Y2J: I don't know, are you? =)
[11:33] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: please give me a step by step guide and ill tell you whats happening here...
[11:33] <ubuntu_> but the qtparted stii doen's works
[11:33] <pielgrzym> h3sp4wn: thanks for tips! somehow edgy put an unexisting mac in iftab :)
[11:33] <jhutchins_wk> There we go!  Nothing like following the directions.
[11:33] <lotusleaf> Y2J: and you're welcome
[11:35] <pielgrzym> I've got a little problem: I installed my dapper home directory to edgy - everything goes fine, exept I don't see the new edgy window decorations in preferences? any ideas? :)
[11:35] <Y2J> lotusleaf: Thanks a lot want to try ubuntu ..i'm fedora friend
[11:35] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: please give me a step by step guide and ill tell you whats happening here...
[11:35] <lotusleaf> Y2J: welcome, I hope you enjoy your experiences. =)
[11:36] <Y2J> lotusleaf: i hope too but this DVD takes forever to be done !
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: I am no longer interested in the problem - as you keep on giving ambiguous statements and for me to help you would be like getting blood out of a stone sorry - ask someone else
[11:36] <lotusleaf> Y2J: then download the CD ISO image of Ubuntu Edgy
[11:37] <Y2J> lotusleaf: for that i need the cd-image cause i think dvd contain the soruce code ?!
[11:37] <lotusleaf> Y2J: we should continue this discussion in #ubuntu, go ahead and ask about it in there please, thanks. =)
[11:37] <Y2J> lotusleaf: yeah, but there's no .torrent file for dc i can find , that's why i'm here :D
[11:37] <Nox_ville> h3sp4wn: thats not very nice... pretty please.. tell me EXACTLY what to do and ill do it..
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> Nox_ville: no
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN> i tried to apt-get dist-upgrade my dapper but it is failing
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN> Starting auto nice daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript and, action "start" failed.
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN> dpkg: error processing and (--configure):
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN>  and
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste > reagleBRKLN
[11:39] <jhutchins_wk> !upgrade
[11:39] <ubotu> For upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this URL in the channel topic: type "/topic")
[11:40] <xbesnard> Hello, I am a newbie under Kubuntu. I have a Canon LPB800 printer on a parallell port. But this printer doesnt appear in the list of printer. Can someone give me some information to solve this problem. Thank you.
[11:41] <fdoving> reagleBRKLN: try 'apt-get remove and' and then follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade if you want to upgrade to edgy.
[11:41] <pielgrzym> I've got a little problem: I installed my dapper home directory to edgy - everything goes fine, exept I don't see the new edgy window decorations in preferences? any ideas? :)
[11:42] <esben> pielgrzym: Wild guess... you need to select them in the Control Center/Appearance?
[11:42] <pielgrzym> esben: I mean they aren't in the control center anymore... :|
[11:43] <cps1966> delete .kde
[11:43] <pielgrzym> cps1966: but I want to keep all other settings :)
[11:43] <esben> pielgrzym: Try creating a new user. If that helps, backup .kde and remove the original
[11:43] <cps1966> just rename it
[11:44] <MukiEX> how do I disable power save in edgy?
[11:44] <reagleBRKLN> gonna reboot, see what happens
[11:44] <MukiEX> For monitors, I mean
[11:44] <pielgrzym> cps1966: I got the styles in other users only the one imported from dapper doesn't see them :)
[11:45] <jhutchins_wk> fdoving: You should update the bot with that URL.
[11:45] <cps1966> i dunno what combination of files it envolves
[11:47] <Nox_ville> please would some1 help me setup wifi.....
[11:48] <jhutchins_wk> fdoving: Did you find the official step of "dpkg --configure -a " necessary?
[11:49] <jhutchins_wk> It looked to me like dist-upgrade was doing that already.
[11:49] <Nox_ville> please would some1 help me setup wifi.....
[11:49] <omar> hello, I would like to upgrade my dapper to edgy, I already have the CD How can I upgrade it using the CD
[11:49] <fdoving> jhutchins: no, the EdgyUpgrades wiki has been changed, and I think it has been changed to something that doesn't work for kubuntu.
[11:51] <Martijn81> Nox_ville: would you stop hammering please? Asking one time is more than enough for people to read it, and hammering it won't make someone more eager to reply
[11:52] <Nox_ville> jc.. i really need help bru..
[11:52] <Nox_ville> i've been on the forums for like 4 hours today and i still cant fix it..
[11:53] <Mez> !upgrade
[11:53] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:53] <Mez> !upgrade > Mez
[11:54] <Nox_ville> Martijn81: will you help me then?
[11:55] <Ash-Fox> !upgrade
[11:55] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:55] <Burgwork> !upgrade
[11:55] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:57] <Itay> Hi, I have a shortcut of dvd-rom when it's mounting, I tried to disable that in Desktop Behavior, I unmarked "shot device icon" and it doesn't remove it from Desktop
[11:57] <Itay> Version 6.10
[11:57] <Itay> In 6.06 it worked
[12:02] <argonel> what did you guys do to X :)
[12:03] <Itay> Lol
[12:03] <Itay> I just install Kubuntu 6.10
[12:03] <argonel> i haven't gotten around to installing the release of that yet
[12:04] <Mez> argonel, ?
[12:04] <argonel> Mez: i hate to say it...
[12:05] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: ping
[12:05] <argonel> but something is different between sid and edgy
[12:06] <jaims> hi
[12:06] <dako> can someone help me with an acpid error?
[12:06] <jaims> one question
[12:06] <jaims> is there any repo to upgrade firefox to 2.0 for dapper?
[12:06] <jaims> im not being able to find it!
[12:07] <DShepherd> jaims: i doubt it
[12:07] <jaims> aha
[12:07] <Dr_willis> I can never figure out wget.. i got a url   http://www.chaosthugs.com/etmain/    that web page has several links to .pk3 files.. i just want to dowload them all  :)
[12:07] <Dr_willis> its not a FTP site.. so i think thats my issue
[12:08] <Dr_willis> it just 'looks' like a ftp site in the browser
[12:08] <jaims> have they planed to prepare that repositories?
[12:08] <jaims> or i better wait till my 'adept' thing finds it in normal place?
[12:09] <dako> does anyone know how to configure acpi-support?
[12:09] <Martijn81> jaims: dunno, but at some point it will probably get backported from edgy
[12:09] <jaims> aha
[12:09] <jaims> well
[12:09] <jaims> thank u very much
[12:10] <jaims> i will maybe upgrade to edgy, all the same
[12:10] <jaims> thanks!
[12:10] <jaims> bye
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: I would use wget -nH -m --level=1 http://www.chaosthugs.com/etmain (but I never really can get it totally right unless I spend 10 mins reading the manpage of wget)
[12:12] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  yea..  :) i know what ya mean