[04:31] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68517 in rosetta "enhancement (i18n:translate support)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68517
[04:52] <Nafallo> damn
[04:53] <Nafallo> mpt is here and I'm not asleep yet :-P
[04:53] <Nafallo> morning mpt ;-)
[04:55] <lifeless> clearly bugs with hitler comments should be subject to godwins law
[04:56] <mpt> lifeless, wrong channel, but yes
[04:56] <mpt> lifeless, are you able to kick staging?
[04:57] <mpt> Or more pertinently, do you think your bug 67888 is really a duplicate of bug 66552? They seem to be different cases.
[04:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67888 in launchpad "+filebug page says 'please fix the problems below' and does not tell you what the problem is" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67888
[04:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66552 in malone "Unhelpful error when reporting bug with non-existent package entered and "I don't know" chosen" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66552
[08:28] <lifeless> mpt: I dont think they are duplicates
[08:28] <lifeless> mpt: but there may be a underlying prblem causing both.
[08:42] <carlos> morning
[08:49] <carlos> jordi: ping
[09:39] <jordi> carlos: pong
[09:43] <SteveA> mpt: morning
[09:44] <mpt> lifeless, the underlying problem is that it's a custom form without the error messagism that automated forms have
[09:44] <mpt> hi SteveA 
[09:44] <berteh> Hi. I'd need some admin intervention for merging my account https://launchpad.net/people/berteh-hotmail into my (main) account https://launchpad.net/people/berteh; as the automatic +merge link does not send any email to my hotmail account.
[09:47] <mpt> @#$%!
[09:47] <lifeless> SteveA: I setup bzr webserve for devpad, but I forget the URL you got it redirected to
[09:48] <carlos> berteh: did you check the spam folder ? we don't filter emails to hotmail
[09:49] <lifeless> berteh: can you please put 'its me' into the home page of both those acounts
[09:49] <berteh> carlos: yes I did
[09:50] <berteh> lifeless: I can for /berteh, but not for /berteh-hotmail as this account was generated on the import of a .po translation and I didn't get the password
[09:50] <berteh> lifeless: nevertheless I can send an email from this hotmail account to anyone, to prove it's me.
[09:51] <lifeless> ok
[09:51] <lifeless> berteh: mail me - I've msged you my address - and I'll merge them
[09:52] <berteh> sure, thanks.
[09:53] <lifeless> carlos: we have a known, but unchased problem with hotmail
[09:54] <carlos> lifeless: in our side or in their side?
[09:54] <lifeless> berteh: done
[09:55] <berteh> lifeless:thanks
[09:55] <lifeless> np
[09:56] <berteh> for the "hotmail" problem it might sometimes be that they change regularly the settings of their "spam" filter without warning the users
[09:56] <berteh> like removing directly spam instead of putting it into junk folder
[09:57] <berteh> you might just put a warning on launchpad to say users should add the "noreply@launchpa.net" adress to their "green list"... it should be enough
[10:02] <ddaa> Good morning!
[11:05] <_thumper_> ddaa, morning
[11:05] <ddaa> _thumper_: hello
[11:06] <ddaa> _thumper_: how's singapore?
[11:06] <_thumper_> ddaa: grey
[11:06] <_thumper_> and humid
[11:06] <ddaa> I guess you must feel at home, then :)
[11:06] <_thumper_> ha
[11:06] <_thumper_> not looking forward to the flight home though
[11:06] <_thumper_> 14 hours
[11:07] <_thumper_> ddaa: now got enough on my plate to keep me busy for quite some time
[11:07] <ddaa> you better get used to it... flying from nz to just about anywhere is ~24 hours
[11:08] <ddaa> _thumper_: you mean you've been given work for one year of five persons team? No kidding!
[11:09] <_thumper_> ajmitch: where in nz?#
[11:09] <ajmitch> _thumper_: I'm in Dunedin
[11:09] <ddaa> _thumper_: I'm looking forward to your debriefing.
[11:09] <_thumper_> ajmitch: that is where I'm going to in about two weeks
[11:09] <ajmitch> great
[11:10] <ajmitch> holiday?
[11:10] <_thumper_> no, shifting
[11:10] <jamesh> NZ is even further from Europe than Perth
[11:10] <ajmitch> heh
[11:10] <ajmitch> you're shifting to dunedin?
[11:10] <_thumper_> yep
[11:10] <jamesh> ajmitch: he's a kiwi
[11:10] <ajmitch> figures
[11:10] <ddaa> it's a going back to roots
[11:10] <_thumper_> I'm expecting the next question to be "why?"
[11:11] <ddaa> it's obviously written all over ajmitch's face, I can see it from up here :)
[11:11] <jamesh> _thumper_: I guess you'll have an easier time if we do sprints in Montreal though ...
[11:11] <ajmitch> funny that mpt was just in dunedin for a few months, lifeless from dunedin, etc
[11:11] <jamesh> ... or dunedin ...
[11:11] <_thumper_> jamesh: for flights that long, a few more hours don't matter that much
[11:12] <jamesh> ddaa: it's a long flight to dunedin from Perth
[11:12] <_thumper_> SteveA did say something about NZ at some stage
[11:12] <_thumper_> 7 or 8 hours?
[11:12] <jamesh> something like that
[11:12] <jamesh> plus time in Sydney airport
[11:13] <_thumper_> don't you just love airport time
[11:13] <jamesh> In January, I did Perth -> Sydney on Qantas, then Sydney -> Dunedin with Freedom air
[11:13] <ddaa> _thumper_: if you lose some weight, and I gain some, we'll be able to say that the gravity center of the launchpad-bazaar team is the center of Earth
[11:13] <ajmitch> not when there's not quite enough of it to get to the flight
[11:14] <jamesh> it was only when I got to Sydney that I found that you couldn't actually check your luggage all the way through
[11:15] <jamesh> since the Qantas people in Perth were the ones to check the bags all the way through, we made enough of a stink for them to do the transfer ...
[11:15] <_thumper_> jamesh: just as a matter of interest, what's the cost of NZ - Perth return
[11:15] <_thumper_> my parents and sister's family are now in Perth
[11:16] <jamesh> _thumper_: I paid $460 for the Qantas leg, and $530 for the Freedom air leg
[11:16] <_thumper_> AUD?
[11:16] <jamesh> yeah
[11:16] <jamesh> real dollars :)
[11:16] <_thumper_> geez
[11:17] <jamesh> so this year's LCA should be ~ $500 cheaper ...
[11:17] <jamesh> s/this/next/
[11:17] <_thumper_> lca?
[11:18] <jamesh> linux.conf.au
[11:18] <_thumper_> ah
[11:18] <jamesh> the last one was in Dunedin
[11:18] <_thumper_> should have been linux.conf.nz
[11:18] <jamesh> it has been called linux.conf.au since 2001
[11:18] <jamesh> no point in wasting the brand recognition
[11:19] <_thumper_> how often is it in NZ?
[11:19] <jamesh> that was the first time
[11:19] <_thumper_> so not likely to be there again soon :(
[11:20] <jamesh> it is very exhausting to run the conference
[11:20] <jamesh> it's taken 6 years for the Sydney guys to think it would be a good idea again :)
[11:20] <_thumper_> we'll I have a conference in Oxford on 11 April next year
[11:27] <mpt> Moving the Launchpad team to NZ would double our productivity
[11:27] <jamesh> because of the ample supply of sheep?
[11:27] <malcc> I'm afraid I can't move to NZ right now, maybe later
[11:28] <mpt> No, because it's so small
[11:28] <mpt> We wouldn't have to shout so loudly
[11:29] <malcc> It's bigger than the UK, according to the CIA
[11:30] <jamesh> malcc: but it does have more sheep, right?
[11:33] <malcc> jamesh: I think so. The UK apparently has 36 million sheep, and the latest figures I could find for NZ show 45 million in 1999, but dropping rapidly
[11:35] <mpt> Yeah, it was about 70 million in 1990
[11:48] <SteveA> jamesh: ping
[11:49] <jamesh> SteveA: pong
[11:49] <SteveA> jamesh: can we do a conf call about the scheduler?
[11:49] <jamesh> okay.
[12:43] <carlos> is there anyone else getting this error?
[12:43] <carlos> https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileQYjPBq.html
[12:50] <indraveni> kiko: Hi , 
[02:27] <surak> If I go to Launchpad -> Distributions -> Ubuntu -> 6.10 -> Bugs, do I have the proof that Edgy rocks or that there's a usability issue here? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs
[02:30] <matsubara> surak: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/32795
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32795 in malone "Distribution release Bugs pages and portlet list hardly any bugs" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[02:31] <surak> ops
[02:35] <indraveni> kiko: hi, r u thre
[02:35] <indraveni> kiko: hi, are you there
[03:47] <kiko-zzz> indu, hey
[03:48] <kiko> fala op
[03:56] <salgado> kiko, do you have write access to staging?
[03:56] <kiko> salgado, no
[03:57] <salgado> carlos, I'll have to bother you again, then. ;) 
[03:57] <carlos> salgado: go ahead
[03:58] <salgado> carlos, can you run https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file64pNHr.html on staging for me? 
[04:14] <salgado> carlos, actually, there are some other things that I need and I already bothered you a lot... I'll get one of the admins to do that for me
[04:17] <salgado> carlos, just one quick question... do you as which user the cronjob that rebuilds staging is ran?
[04:18] <carlos> salgado: sorry, I was distracted
[04:18] <carlos> I got many duplicates key errors
[04:18] <carlos> it's ran as launchpad
[04:18] <salgado> right
[04:19] <salgado> I think it's better to file an RT if I want to stop it being rebuilt over the weekend, right?
[04:19] <carlos> you mean the database?
[04:20] <salgado> yeah
[04:20] <carlos> I don't have access to that and even if I had, stuart or an admin should do that
[04:21] <kiko> carlos, can you answer
[04:22] <kiko> Subject: Gallery and Rosetta
[04:22] <kiko> in launchpad-users now?
[04:22] <carlos> sure
[04:26] <kiko> SteveA, carlos: the "Rosetta reverts translations" is on the verge of becoming a disaster.
[04:27] <carlos> I know, and I don't have a clue, I'm thinking on adding some extra logging information in our database
[04:27] <carlos> so I can track better those changes and figure where the problem is
[04:27] <kiko> carlos, a) ask for help b) make that zero-priority
[04:27] <kiko> SteveA?
[04:27] <carlos> zero-priority?
[04:27] <kiko> yes
[04:27] <kiko> highest
[04:27] <carlos> oh, ok
[04:27] <salgado> forget-sleeping
[04:27] <kiko> right
[04:31] <kiko> salgado, is there any chance of getting that review today? I can walk you through it if you like
[04:34] <salgado> kiko, yeah, I'll get to it soon. just sorting out some issues to get an up-to-date list of mirrors on staging
[04:40] <SteveA> carlos: hi.  I just talked with kiko.
[04:40] <carlos> SteveA: hi
[04:40] <SteveA> I'm going to read the messages on rosetta-users, then I'd like to have a skype call with you
[04:41] <kiko> salgado, sure -- I just want to plan my day. so review late afternoon or so?
[04:41] <salgado> no, review going out quickly
[04:41] <kiko> ah, cool.
[04:41] <salgado> I'm on VAC this afternoon
[04:41] <kiko> no way
[04:41] <carlos> SteveA: ok
[04:41] <kiko> unsubscribed some loser from launchpad-users who has a whitelisting-promter
[04:55] <kiko> ddaa, you know the text "This branch has no summary"?
[04:55] <kiko> on the branch page?
[04:55] <ddaa> kiko: yes
[04:55] <kiko> ddaa, can you add an "<small><a href="">Add one now</a></small>" to it?
[04:56] <ddaa> Mh
[04:56] <ddaa> There used to be something like this.
[04:56] <ddaa> I think it was removed because it needs to be only visible when the user has the permissions to do so.
[04:59] <WebMaven> SteveA: AYT?
[04:59] <ddaa> kiko: so, I'll add one if you tell me a simple way to achieve this result.
[05:00] <WebMaven> SteveA: ping
[05:01] <kiko> ddaa, well, you can use require/lp:Edit or something IIRC. another option is to allow anyone to add a branch description :-)
[05:01] <ddaa> kiko: we won't do just that, but we will do bug 36073
[05:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36073 in launchpad-bazaar "product owner should be able to edit some branch details" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36073
[05:02] <kiko> ddaa, yeah.
[05:02] <ddaa> kiko: I'm a zpt ignoramus, if you can give me usable directions, I'd be glad to make a nice patch with pagetests for this.
[05:03] <kiko> ddaa, sure. one sec.
[05:19] <kiko> thanks SteveA 
[05:23] <ddaa> kiko: I do not think we need to block on a Grand Unified Action Scheme to do history tracking.
[05:23] <ddaa> no BDUF, please
[05:24] <kiko> not a unified action scheme for launchpad
[05:24] <kiko> but to do it right in malone I'm sure we need one.
[05:24] <ddaa> let's just whack up some crappy and inconsistent as we need it
[05:24] <kiko> we have that for malone
[05:24] <kiko> it breaks all the time
[05:24] <kiko> and nobody fixes it because it's extra work
[05:24] <ddaa> interesting
[05:24] <kiko> I'm very much against a half-baked history solution
[05:24] <ddaa> I'd like to read more about this.
[05:25] <kiko> ddaa, just click on "Activity Log"
[05:25] <kiko> and you'll see how bad it is :)
[05:25] <kiko> we should use the zodb for history
[05:25] <ddaa> so, this tabular display sucks horribly
[05:25] <kiko> to say the least!
[05:25] <ddaa> whoever decided everything should be tables should probably step back a bit
[05:26] <kiko> it's hard to see when there's all that smoke from the designer's joint
[05:26] <ddaa> aside from this, it's plenty useful
[05:27] <kiko> until you notice that half the changes aren't captured
[05:27] <ddaa> so, what?
[05:27] <ddaa> is this worse than nothing?
[05:27] <kiko> sometimes
[05:28] <kiko> the end-user trusts that history will capture his change
[05:28] <kiko> and it doesn't
[05:28] <kiko> for instance
[05:28] <kiko> security 
[05:28] <kiko> the fact that a bug was marked private/public is not tracked
[05:28] <kiko> but some people, mdz included, assumed it did
[05:28] <kiko> and then...
[05:29] <ddaa> I'll tell you one thing that would make me plenty happy.
[05:29] <ddaa> there's a pretty good email notification system
[05:29] <ddaa> 1. make sure the email notification is always generated internally, even if it will be sent to nobody
[05:29] <ddaa> 2. just record the damn thing as blog
[05:30] <ddaa> with a date
[05:30] <ddaa> and an author
[05:30] <ddaa> done
[05:30] <kiko> that's an idea
[05:31] <ddaa> actually, I meant "as a blob"
[05:31] <kiko> carlos, also:
[05:31] <ddaa> but blog works well too :)
[05:31] <kiko> Subject: BUG: Lost russian translation in MPlayer from Dapper to Edgy
[05:31] <kiko> carlos, something else I'd like to see a reply from you on.
[05:31] <kiko> carlos:
[05:31] <kiko> Subject: Accepted openoffice.org 2.0.4-0ubuntu1 (source)
[05:32] <ddaa> kiko: here's another option
[05:32] <ddaa> use svn as a back-end
[05:32] <kiko> yeah
[05:32] <kiko> my zodb suggestion was in that line
[05:32] <ddaa> dunno if zodb is good at versoning
[05:32] <ddaa> but the svn fs is pretty much what we need here
[05:33] <kiko> yeah, it is
[05:33] <carlos> kiko: that one is just that mplayer is in universe. In fact it's not in Dapper, so nothing is lost...
[05:33] <BjornT> ddaa: we already do that (re email notications). the notification is always generated, and it has a date and author. in fact, we made an explict choice not to delete the notifcations after they are sent, just in case we wanted to use them later :)
[05:33] <carlos> kiko: at least not in Rosetta
[05:33] <ddaa> BjornT: fantastic!
[05:33] <kiko> carlos, the fact that you haven't replied is concerning -- and nobody else has either 
[05:34] <ddaa> BjornT: so we can just discard the current history stuff and display email stuff instead?
[05:34] <carlos> I'm a bit behind on those mailing lists
[05:34] <ddaa> kiko: I think that's the way to go
[05:35] <ddaa> much more realistic than trying to introduce large infrastructure changes at this point
[05:35] <carlos> it's now an excuse, it's just an explanation. I will try to be back on track
[05:35] <ddaa> I know by experience that making anything depend on better infrastructure is a sure recipe for endless delays...
[05:35] <BjornT> ddaa: yes and no. we have the issue that the email notifications don't go as far back as the bug history goes. but we should be able to generate the old history if necessary.
[05:36] <kiko> ddaa, well... it would be a nice cleanup to unify this, and it could be done incrementally.
[05:37] <kiko> carlos, rosetta-users is either yours or danilos, make sure people get prompt answers
[05:37] <ddaa> okay, I'll keep the email archive idea under my pillow
[05:37] <ddaa> when the time will come to actually do it for branches
[05:37] <kiko> carlos, you talk it over with danilo_ and decide who's going to cover it
[05:37] <ddaa> (soon, hopefully)
[05:37] <ddaa> I'll ask if anything better is ready on the ML
[05:38] <ddaa> then I'll proceed
[05:38] <carlos> kiko: ok
[05:38] <kiko> carlos, I don't want to find out about problems because I read the list -- I want you guys to say "we have a problem that is bothering many users"
[05:39] <carlos> kiko: I was following the problem about missing translations from malone, but you are right, don't worry
[05:40] <kiko> cool. yeah, malone is great, but the users mailing list is publicity, and it can be really bad publicity if the users don't feel developers pay attention to it
[05:41] <carlos> right
[05:45] <matsubara> BjornT: is it feasible to have a bug tracker registration workflow where you inform only the tracker's URL? mpt commented about doing that on bug 4592
[05:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4592 in malone "Add Watch page (+addwatch) should make it easy to add a new bugtracker" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4592
[05:46] <kiko> matsubara, one day yes but not before 1.0 :)
[05:46] <matsubara> BjornT: sorry, not only the tracker's url but the base_url + bug_id
[05:47] <BjornT> matsubara: yes, something like that. my long-term plan is that the user should be able to simply confirm that he wants the register the tracker, while adding the bug watch.
[05:48] <matsubara> BjornT, kiko: oki, because I'm going to close that bug and open a new one regarding that. what do you think?
[05:48] <kiko> matsubara, why close and not mutate?
[05:54] <matsubara> kiko: yeah, I'll do that, but I don't like it. Looking at the bug number and date it feels like: "Wow, this bug was reported eons ago and wasn't fixed yet."
[05:54] <kiko> matsubara, it's true though. :)
[05:54] <kiko> heh
[05:55] <kiko> cprov-lunch, can you update the title/description for bug 65052?
[05:55] <Ubugtu> Bug 65052 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/65052 is private
[05:55] <kiko> cprov-lunch, err I meant bug 62976
[05:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62976 in soyuz "duplicate package/version allowed in unapproved queue" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62976
[05:58] <kiko> BjornT, is there a way of setting the widget value we're going to post using testbrowser? I.E. I want to set a date to year=2000 but the select box only offers years up to 2001.
[06:01] <BjornT> kiko: no, i don't think so. testbrowser is meant to mimic a real browser, so it won't (easily) let you do things you can't do in a browser.
[06:01] <kiko> BjornT, how do you propose doing that when you want to test you handle invalid values correctly? using http()?
[06:02] <BjornT> kiko: yeah, http() should be fine. can't think of a better way. although, for such tests i personally prefer doing non-pagetests, i.e. test the view class directly.
[06:02] <kiko> BjornT, okay. question 2:
[06:03] <kiko> is it possible to clone a browser instance?
[06:03] <kiko> I want to test double-posts
[06:03] <kiko> and right now to do that I need to manually copy the browser data
[06:05] <ddaa> kiko: what about copy.deepcopy?
[06:05] <kiko> ddaa, that's kinda pornographic
[06:05] <BjornT> kiko: it might be easy doing that using goBack(). the bad thing is that goBack() doesn't work that well in our version of testbrowser.
[06:05] <ddaa> I assure you, in Dutch it's perfectly safe-for-work
[06:06] <malcc> browser.reload works for double post testing, I believe
[06:06] <kiko> ddaa, the dutch find the strangest things normal
[06:06] <ddaa> pornography, for example?
[06:06] <kiko> malcc, really? doesn't reload()ing update the page and form elements?
[06:07] <flacoste> kiko: fyi, tt-workflow landed in RF 4199 and is now up on staging
[06:07] <kiko> flacoste, I know all about this, let's love this branch a bit :)
[06:07] <malcc> kiko: Yes, I'm pretty sure. Check pagetests/soyuz/26-queue-pages.txt
[06:07] <BjornT> kiko: ah yes, it seems that reload() would do it as well.
[06:07] <kiko> BjornT, rock on!
[06:08] <flacoste> kiko: do you know how much testing time we got before this is rolled out?
[06:08] <kiko> flacoste, as long as we want. :)
[06:09] <flacoste> kiko: fine :-)
[06:11] <ddaa> BjornT: okay, sent replies to all your three reviews for partial-copy
[06:11] <ddaa> BjornT: still have to write the "later mail" one
[06:11] <ddaa> BjornT: can we talk it through first?
[06:11] <flacoste> kiko: i'll send a request for feedback to launchpad-users like I did before we deployed guided support filing
[06:12] <BjornT> ddaa: ok. can it wait until monday? i have to get something to eat now.
[06:12] <kiko> flacoste, good job
[06:12] <ddaa> mh... I guess it will have to wait...
[06:13] <ddaa> writing the later email then... my mondays tend to be quite busy usually
[06:13] <flacoste> kiko: we should also run the new expire-tickets.py script on staging to see how it behaves
[06:13] <kiko> BjornT, malcc: I can't easily use reload() because the friggin page redirects after posting
[06:15] <malcc> kiko: Then I've got nothing. Sorry
[06:15] <kiko> @#!$$!
[06:15] <flacoste> kiko: btw, you have a better http() in Browser.open(): browser.open(url, urllib.urlencode({'field': 'whatever'}))
[06:16] <kiko> flacoste, ah!
[06:16] <kiko> very cool
[06:16] <kiko> flacoste, maneirissimo
[06:17] <flacoste> babelfish isn't able to translate that one :-(
[06:18] <kiko> it means "super-cool!"
[06:21] <salgado> kiko, everything seems fine
[06:21] <kiko> salgado, thanks.
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68655 in launchpad "It should be easy to clone browser() instances." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68655
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68675 in soyuz "test soyuz-upload.txt fails in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68675
[08:01] <kiko> heh
[08:12] <kiko> matsubara, how much faster is bzr+ssh push
[08:13] <matsubara> kiko: haven't tried it yet
[08:13] <kiko> me neither
[08:13] <kiko> I don't know whether I should or not :)
[08:27] <flacoste> kiko: go ahead you shouldn't have any problem with it
[08:27] <kiko> flacoste, I'm lazy though
[08:29] <flacoste> perl -i -e 's#sftp://devpad#bzr+ssh://devpad#' ~/.bazaar/locations.conf is your friend :-)
[08:29] <flacoste> oops, rather use -pe
[08:29] <flacoste> kiko: ^
[08:30] <kiko> I would rather use an icepick to edit that file!!!!
[08:30] <kiko> but sed works
[08:30] <kiko> but I am not upgrading just yet
[08:30] <flacoste> chicken
[08:31] <kiko> because I am a poullinet
[08:31] <flacoste> you mean a poulet?
[08:32] <kiko> like a little chicken
[08:32] <kiko> poulinette?
[08:32] <kiko> I can say it and french girls understand what I mean!
[08:32] <flacoste> poulette!
[08:33] <kiko> obviously you're not a french girl
[08:33] <flacoste> nor a french boy :-)
[08:34] <LarstiQ> poultry?
[08:38] <SteveA> kiko: are you in the office?
[08:38] <kiko> yes
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68702 in malone "+packagebugs-search crashes when field.sourcepackagename is a non-existent package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68702
[10:16] <fabbione> SteveA: ping?
[10:17] <fabbione> kiko-afk: ping?
[10:18] <lamont> kiko-afk: how come I'm getting copies of launchpad support tickets (e.g. 2072)
[10:18] <lamont> or rather, WTH is ubuntu-audio subscribed to that ticket?
[10:19] <fabbione> lamont: ubuntu-audio is registered as contact point for LP
[10:19] <fabbione> we need to kill that
[10:19] <lamont> fabbione: oh. let me rephrase that....  kiko-afk WTF is ubuntu-audio a contact point for LP???
[10:20] <fabbione> aha
[10:20] <matsubara> lamont, fabbione: someone from the team might have subscribed it
[10:20] <fabbione> matsubara: ok 2 things please
[10:20] <fabbione> remove ubuntu-audio and ubuntu-audio-art as contact point for LP
[10:21] <fabbione> and https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+ticket/2072
[10:21] <fabbione> check for Geoff Newman autoreply and please disable the account
[10:21] <fabbione> we already get enough SPAM.. i really can't care less of LP tickets because i am part of the Ubuntu kernel team
[10:23] <matsubara> fabbione: I can't unsubscribe the teams. Only team members can do that; Here: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+support-contact
[10:23] <fabbione> i am not a direct team member and i can't do it
[10:23] <fabbione> hence we are here asking for an LP admin to do it
[10:25] <matsubara> fabbione: I'll nag kiko about it when he comes back.
[10:25] <fabbione> kiko-afk: consigliere... i know you will make sure that everything is ok...
[10:26] <fabbione> kiko-afk: the familiy will be once again honoured of your help
[10:27] <fabbione> matsubara: thanks
[10:33] <matsubara> fabbione: hmm I'm afraid kiko won't be of much help. I just found out that admins can't unsubscribe other teams that they're not member of. Obviously they can add themselves to the team and unsubscribed but that shouldn't be like that.
[10:34] <matsubara> fabbione: I'll file a bug about it. Meanwhile, the easiest route would be to ask martin pitt to unsubscribe ubuntu-audio 
[10:35] <fabbione> matsubara: another bug? i am pretty sure i filed one already a few months back
[10:36] <matsubara> fabbione: do you have the bug number handy?
[10:36] <fabbione> no.. i filed months ago
[10:43] <SteveA> fabbione: hi
[10:43] <fabbione> hi SteveA 
[10:43] <fabbione> SteveA: ^^ pretty please
[10:44] <matsubara> fabbione: well, couldn't find it. I'll dupe it later if find it. btw, I think it would be rude to unsubscribe ubuntu-audio-art since no member explicitely asked for that and the likely culprit for the spam you're receiving is your implicit subscription to ubuntu-audio via ubuntu-kernel.
[10:45] <fabbione> well i didn't ask to be implicitly subscribed to ubuntu-audio even if i am the owner of ubuntu-kernel
[10:45] <fabbione> so any foobar idiot that creates a team can endorse another team without permission and i am forced to get their spam
[10:45] <fabbione> never mind it's pitti.. i can talk to him
[10:46] <fabbione> but there is a design flaw here
[10:46] <fabbione> it's like i will make lp-admins part of ubuntu-bugs
[10:46] <fabbione> and you start getting 2398294732 emails per day
[10:46] <fabbione> you would NOT be pleased by that
[10:47] <kiko> heh
[10:47] <kiko> MaSa69, what's going on?
[10:47] <kiko> err
[10:47] <kiko> matsubara?
[10:48] <SteveA> fabbione: we know there's a problem where the agreement for teams being members of teams is not approved in both directions
[10:48] <matsubara> fabbione: yes, you're completely right to be annoyed. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.  I'm just explaining what happened.
[10:48] <SteveA> matsubara: is there anything you need an admin to do?
[10:48] <fabbione> matsubara: i know what's happening.. i am already aware of that.. i want it fixed please
[10:48] <matsubara> fabbione: I'm not trying to justify lp faulty behaviour.
[10:48] <fabbione> this has been diagnosed already a long time ago
[10:48] <fabbione> bug filed and probably lost
[10:49] <matsubara> SteveA, kiko: could you please add yourself to ubuntu-audio team and unsubscribed it from launchpad support contact here: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+support-contact
[10:49] <fabbione> and check also that person that's spamming LP back
[10:50] <SteveA> matsubara: well, let's just one of us do it
[10:50] <kiko> I can do it
[10:50] <fabbione> kiko: consigliere.. i had no doubts...
[10:51] <kiko> matsubara, do we know who subscribed this team?
[10:51] <kiko> fabbione, done.
[10:52] <fabbione> kiko: grazie consigliere. the family will not forget
[10:52] <kiko> but wtf
[10:52] <matsubara> kiko: I don't know for sure, but I think it was Fred Chu
[10:52] <kiko> who is this fred chu person?
[10:52] <fabbione> kiko: be careful
[10:53] <fabbione> there are 2 audio team
[10:53] <kiko> I know
[10:53] <kiko> both need to be removed
[10:53] <fabbione> you want to take away ubuntu-audio-art
[10:53] <fabbione> ok thanks
[10:54] <kiko> Support contacts for Launchpad
[10:54] <kiko>     * Launchpad QA
[10:54] <kiko>     * Andrea Veri
[10:54] <kiko>     * Fred Chu
[10:54] <kiko>     * SecurityLiveCD
[10:54] <kiko> I'll get rid of SecurityLiveCD too
[10:55] <kiko> matsubara, can you contact this fred chu person and let him know what he did wrong?
[10:57] <matsubara> yes kiko 
[10:57] <kiko> thanks dude
[10:59] <fabbione> kiko: great thanks
[10:59] <kiko> fabbione, should be all good.
[10:59] <fabbione> kiko: did you also see that Geoff Newman spam on ticket 2072?
[11:00] <kiko> not yet
[11:01] <fabbione> ok
[11:01] <fabbione> it's somebody with an autoresponder
[11:01] <fabbione> nothing fancy
[11:01] <kiko> ah
[11:02] <fabbione> anyway.. thanks for the thing guys...
[11:02] <kiko> fabbione, do you have a URL for it?
[11:03] <fabbione> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+ticket/2072
[11:03] <kiko> thanks
[11:03] <fabbione> i am going to hit the bed and crash till monday morning
[11:03] <fabbione> no problem
[11:03] <kiko> night duder
[11:03] <fabbione> night consigliere..
[11:03] <kiko> how annoying
[11:17] <Mez> how long does it take before bazaar.launchpad.net recognises your ssh key
[11:53] <sabdfl> kiko: around?