yacoobwell, SOME wmvs don't render up... I guess I'd better look for the pack :>12:10
sivanghmm, jono is not here12:11
pygisivang: nop ^_^12:11
sivangpygi: hey dude12:13
pygisivang: hey ^_^12:13
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cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: what's wrong with them? (I can change that page)12:18
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ajmitchhi mdz 12:27
Burgworkajmitch: or not12:28
ajmitchoh well :)12:28
LaserJockwhere does mdz work from?12:30
ajmitcharound release times, I think he heads to the office in london12:30
Burgworkhe is the UK right now12:31
LaserJockwhere is he normally?12:31
pittigood night12:33
ajmitchnight pitti 12:33
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Riddellpitti: you pinged?12:33
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FireRabbitis the webmaster here?12:37
BurgworkFireRabbit: file a bug against the product ubuntu-website12:38
cjwatsonI've added an ubuntu-7.04 milestone; dated 2007-04-01 for now because I don't know the exact dat12:38
LaserJockcjwatson: sounds optimistic :-)12:40
ajmitchI think the suggested date by sabdfl was the 19th12:41
UbugtuMalone bug 68492 in ubuntu-website "Incorrect description of how to obtain torrents" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:43
BurgworkFireRabbit: thanks12:46
FireRabbitwith the mirrors overloaded, this is not a good thing12:46
sivangsladen: were you close to Jono in LinuxWorld london, I spotted you in some of the photos.12:49
jonosivang, which photos?12:49
sivangah! you're here :)12:50
sivangjono: http://nikbutler.wordpress.com/files/2006/10/jonoinflow.JPG12:51
G0SUBjono: I have sent you a mail wrt edgy cds and ubuntu-in12:51
jonohey ajmitch :)12:51
jonoG0SUB, cool, will check mail tomorrow12:52
G0SUBjono: that's fine :) it's actually about changing the shipping address from the one I provided earlier (if possible)12:52
sivangjono: do you know who was the Zend guy David Morely tried to explain, and I quote "yes, we give it away rather than sell it. Amazing." ? ;-)12:53
sivangjono: (this was about jokosher)12:53
psusifabbione: ping12:53
jonoG0SUB, cool12:53
jonosivang, hehe12:54
G0SUBjono: fine, thanks :)12:54
jonodave morley apparently got quite pissed off at people thinking Jokosher was a money making scheme12:54
ajmitchjono: so it's not your secret plan to extort millions?12:55
jonoajmitch, no, I plan to make money from selling guns to frustrated gentoo users :P12:56
sivangajmitch: HEHE12:56
ajmitchjono: well our original loco contact (pre-plug) has gone back to gentoo now :)12:56
sivangjono: my last job was Zend, I was curious if I knew the guy :)12:56
jonoajmitch, hah!12:56
jonosivang, oh cool12:56
G0SUBit's aweful to see how Oracle ripped off RHEL to create their own distro12:57
G0SUBand the name, my god. it's super-aweful12:57
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sidCan someone confirm a bug for me with gnome-panel?12:58
sidif you left click and drag an icon in the gnome-panel to the right, and back to the left, does the icon lose all it's information? ie name/icon etc12:58
G0SUBsid: on which release? edgy or dapper?12:59
LaserJocknot here I don't think12:59
G0SUBsid: couldn't reproduce it here ...01:00
sidLaserJock: You left clicked and draged an icon to the right in the panel, then back?01:00
sidI got 2 people in #ubuntu to reproduce it01:00
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LaserJocksid: oh, now I got it01:01
sidI didn't see anything on launchpad, but I'm not sure if I'm looking good enough01:02
LaserJockit doesn't matter where you drag it or how far01:02
LaserJockif you do a left click and drag it somewhere01:02
LaserJockand then left click and drag it somewhere else it loses everything01:03
LaserJockif I move it properly via middle click it's fine01:03
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psusifabbione: ping02:02
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glickhey are there any kernel hackers in here?03:56
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Hobbseeglick: i suspect they're all out celebrating04:22
glickheh yeah i spose so04:22
glicki got my question answered in kernelnewbies on OFTC04:22
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glickhey what files do i need to install to compile kernel modules?06:52
glicki mean packages?06:52
nixternalbuild-essential, bin86, kernel-package, libqt3-headers, libqt3-mt-dev06:54
nixternalthere are some decent howto's int he forums i believe as well that will tell you everything you need06:54
glicknixternal, is there a howto on how to build a kernel the ubuntu way?06:54
glickread my mind06:55
nixternalwell, that i don't know about06:55
nixternalthe "ubuntu way" is just to "apt-get upgrade"06:55
fabbioneapt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.17 if you are in edgy06:55
fabbionebut please ask these questions in #ubuntu06:55
nixternalwe let the kernel devs build them for us06:55
fabbionethis is not a support channel06:55
glickis there a kernel dev channel for just the ubuntu kernel?06:56
glickcause i know ubuntu kernel isnt vanilla06:57
fabbioneglick: a development channel is not where you ask how to build a kernel06:57
fabbioneit's where you submit patches to improve or fix bugs06:57
glickfabbione, where would you ask then?06:57
glickubuntu channel is for beginners and general help, most people arnt building kernels06:58
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highvoltage#ubuntu is for all support06:59
fabbioneIIRC there is an #ubuntu+1 for slightly more experienced users07:00
Seveas#ubuntu+1 is for development releases07:01
Seveasbut since there is no such thing right now, #ubuntu+1 is closed07:01
fabbioneSeveas: dude you are spoiling the fun :)07:01
fabbioneand feisty is open in LP btw..07:01
SeveasThat's my job ;)07:02
Seveashmm, I should make a feisty-changes rss feed07:02
fabbionethe list is open07:02
Seveashave there already been uploads?07:02
fabbioneone, sitting in NEW07:02
fabbionebut i strongly suggest not to use it07:02
fabbioneit's there only for bootstrapping feisty toolchain07:02
SeveasI won't switch to feisty until december or so07:03
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fabbionewell but i cheat07:03
fabbionei have all the toolchain here :)07:03
ajmitchglibc 2.5?07:03
ajmitchexcellent :)07:03
fabbioneand .19-rc307:03
highvoltagewow :)07:03
ajmitchyeah I saw benc's topic change in -kernel07:04
=== Hobbsee idly wonders what would happen if you tried to boot from that
fabbioneHobbsee: it works here on ppc/sparc/i386.. but it's still missing a bunch of specific ubuntu drivers07:04
Hobbseei expect it would cause large amounts of doom, but i wonder what exactly whould happen07:04
glickcan we stick to non homo-erotic names for ubuntu releases?07:04
glickjust a thought07:04
Hobbseefabbione: that in a chroot, or on a partition?07:04
glickmy opinion07:04
fabbioneHobbsee: live07:04
Hobbseefabbione: wow, cool07:05
ajmitchHobbsee: it's not too different from upstream 2.6.19-rc3, afaik07:05
Hobbseeahh okay07:06
fabbionenot at the moment it is not07:06
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fabbioneHobbsee: oh add ia64 to that list07:15
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infinitySeveas: Do we have an RSS feed for feisty yet?07:25
Seveasinfinity, I'm having trouble creating one07:25
Seveasmy mailserver is borking07:25
infinitySeveas: (If you need a message to the list first, I can pop the first source package through)07:25
Seveasno need to07:25
Seveascourier rejects the subscription mail without any indication why07:26
Seveasand I have to go to work now, soit will have to wait until this evening07:26
infinityWell, that just unacceptable for a volunteer effort. :P07:27
Seveassue me ;)07:27
Seveasanyway, bbl07:27
infinitySeveas: If I statr passing stuff through now, can you pick up old messages an inject them in the feed, or will they just get lost?07:27
SeveasI'll inject them07:27
infinityOkay, cool.07:28
infinityLater, then.07:28
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jdub15:08:46 (1.34 MB/s) - `ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso' saved07:30
jdubyay ;-)07:30
ajforguethat's slow07:33
jdubyeah, that's a dumb way of reporting07:37
jdubit was07:37
jdub15:00:04 -> 15:08:4607:37
jdubstupid wget07:37
Fujitsujdub: Which mirror?07:39
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sladenjdub: I didn't know you had wet-string that fast in Oz!07:56
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fabbionejdub: you are still slow :)08:01
Fujitsufabbione: But you seem to have the most ultimate hardware on the planet, so probably the ultimate connection as well :P08:02
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fabbioneFujitsu: i don't have ultimate hw.. no08:04
fabbione(6.53 MB/s) - `edgy-desktop-i386.iso'08:04
fabbionethis switch sucks08:04
FujitsuOK then, have ACCESS to :P08:04
fabbionenot even on my internal lan at 100Mb i can cheat08:04
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_ion(259.31 MB/s) - `ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso'08:08
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hansreiser <-- thoughts?08:09
fabbioneBurgundavia: offtopic.. please remove and let's lock that account08:10
Burgundaviafabbione: can't lock, but I can ask08:10
Fujitsufabbione: Sounds good, if we can get it locked...08:10
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G0SUBany idea where I can file a bug report on usplash? launchpad says it doesn't use malone for bug tracking08:23
FujitsuG0SUB: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+filebug should do it.08:25
G0SUBFujitsu: ah, thanks08:26
G0SUBthe problem that I have with usplash is if I add vga=791 as a kernel parameter the spalsh screen becomes off-center and vga=789 simply borks the splash by making it way too large and the text wraps around08:29
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sladenyup, stick those in the bug report aswell08:29
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Kagougood morning08:32
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jdubfabbione: ha ha :-)08:56
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jdubfabbione: i just upgraded my modem so i get adsl2+ speeds. woo.08:57
pittihey jdub!08:57
fabbionejdub: my ISP started offering adsl2+ yesterday08:58
fabbionei need to check it08:58
jdubyo pitti 08:58
jdubcongrats to everyone on the release :-)08:58
Hobbseehey jdub 08:59
jdubmorning Hobbsee 08:59
Hobbseejdub: IT'S NOT MORNING!09:00
Hobbseejdub: arent you in my timezone?  :P09:00
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jdubi always say good morning09:00
Hobbseetrue, but still09:01
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tfheengood morning, Sarah09:13
Hobbseehey tfheen :)09:13
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Hobbseetfheen: glad release is over?  :)09:16
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tfheenHobbsee: yeah.  It's great fun, but really exhausting too.09:16
Hobbseei'll bet09:16
ajmitchhi tfheen 09:17
tfheenit'll be nice to have a couple of somewhat quiet days before leaving for the conference.09:17
tfheenhiya Andrew09:17
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mdkemorning all. Good job09:23
SimSiehows the new release going?09:23
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infinitytfheen: "quiet" days of bootstrapping a new release, you mean? :P09:25
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fabbioneinfinity: quiet after MV is utopia.. we need to open the gates and start merging.. we better enjoy the quietness in writing specs :)09:27
tfheeninfinity: I didn't say all of the company had a couple of quiet days..09:31
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mantiena-baltixHi all09:46
mantiena-baltixpitti: are you alive ?09:48
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janimomvo: morning, any news on the upgrade bug?09:53
janimomvo: should I recommend dist-upgrade in the release ann?09:54
mvojanimo: no, sorry. nothing new. 09:54
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janimomvo, so I'll say clean reinstall is recommended, or be prepared to unbreak te system?09:55
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lifelessbug ?09:56
mvojanimo: a apt-get dist-upgrade should work as well, I have a theory now what triggers the crash09:58
mvojanimo: update-manager rereads/validates the icon-theme after the install so this may trigger the problem. I'm still in the dark *why* the problem exists09:59
janimomvo: thanks, I'll recommend dist-upgrade then10:00
lifelesswhat is the poblem ?10:00
janimomvo:  it may be a different set of icon themes being installed in xubuntu/ubuntu cause some corner case bug10:01
janimolifeless: update-manager crashes while upgarding xubuntu dapper to edgy10:01
janimolifeless: does not affect ubuntu10:01
mvolifeless: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/68027 <- pretty spectecular, the crash takes the whole desktop with it10:03
UbugtuMalone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed]  10:03
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lifelessmvo: wow, nice fuckage10:04
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dholbachgood morning10:06
dholbachhiya Jerome10:07
ajmitchhey dholbach 10:07
dholbachhey Andrew10:07
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pittimantiena-baltix: hi10:24
BHSPitLappyKeybuk, !10:24
KeybukBHSPitLappy: ?10:25
BHSPitLappyI've been idling in here for a couple of weeks, just in hopes of catching you in here.10:25
HobbseeKeybuk: sounds like you're famous :P10:27
BHSPitLappycelebrity status achieved!10:27
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fabbioneKeybuk: that's the moment in which you need to change your status from blogger to submarine and start to hide...10:28
janimoany ubuntu-announce moderator in here?10:29
janimogot rejected for the announcement mails, whereas they got queued for approval last week10:29
janimoelmo: ^^10:29
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infinityjanimo: Did you rememebr to add an "X-Ubuntu" header?10:42
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janimoinfinity: I have no idea what that is, have not used it so far10:42
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infinityI'll take that as a "no", then. :)10:43
janimoinfinity: :)10:43
janimoI am also not user if I could do that from gmail10:43
infinityjanimo: -announce will drop anything on the floor that's lacking such a header.10:43
janimoinfinity: ok, I'll remember for future mails10:43
infinityjanimo: I can resend it for you, if you mail it to me, and tell me who it should be From.10:44
janimoinfinity: ok, a moment10:44
janimoinfinity: sent it to you 0x3 address, From field the one you receive it from10:46
infinityI should start charging for this service.. (had to do it for RichEd for edubuntu too)10:46
infinityjanimo: Don't you have an ubuntu.com address?10:47
infinityjanimo: Might look a bit better to send it from there.10:47
janimoinfinity: I do, you can use jani@ubuntu.com then10:47
infinityWill do.10:47
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infinityjanimo: Sent.10:53
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janimoinfinity: thanks for the word-wrapping as well10:53
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cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: so, what was the releases.ubuntu.com mistake you were asking about?11:06
BHSPitLappycjwatson, descriptions were off.11:06
BHSPitLappyfor example, the bittorrent I downloaded said traditional download or something11:07
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cjwatsonyes, some of them do seem to be incorrect11:10
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: thanks, I'll look into that11:11
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: for future reference, https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-cdimage/+filebug is the best place to report problems with cdimage.ubuntu.com or releases.ubuntu.com11:11
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BHSPitLappythe installer on the official cd doesn't work, somebody should look into that too.11:13
BHSPitLappy"Prepare mount points"11:13
BHSPitLappy"!   No root file system."11:13
ograimbrandon, ping11:13
BHSPitLappyI beg to differ, ubuntu.11:14
imbrandonogra, pong11:14
ograimbrandon, would it be possible to have the old categorization for the imported artwork in a.u.c ?11:14
BHSPitLappybut eh, I guess I'm not allowed to install ubuntu in a reasonable, acceptable configuration11:15
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infinityBHSPitLappy: Sarcasm is less effective than well-formed bug reports.11:15
imbrandonogra, yea actualy i was working on that, its on my hdd but not quite ready to upload yet11:15
ograthe edubuntu category had a ton of pics, now i have to got through a quite complicated navigation to get to them11:15
ograthanks :)11:15
imbrandonnp :)11:15
BHSPitLappyinfinity, I don't know... directed in the right places, ...11:16
BHSPitLappyanybody know shuttleworth's cell number?11:16
dholbachBHSPitLappy: Please cut it... you can't expect anybody to be motivated after your little taunts. 11:17
Hobbseeespecially just after a release, too11:17
BHSPitLappycome now, lighten up a little.11:18
Hobbseedholbach: do you want help with your merges for feisty too?11:19
Hobbseedholbach: (not that we have to deal with them yet)11:19
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cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: thanks for your releases.u.c report; fixed, as well as fixing the root cause of the problem11:19
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dholbachhehe :-)11:19
Hobbseedholbach: of course, i'd be a lot happier to deal with them if it wasnt icky gnome :P11:19
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: on the other hand you've now convinced me not to look at your installer report, and I'm the person you need to look at it11:20
dholbachHobbsee: hahahaha - wait until seb128 sees that11:20
Hobbseedholbach: :D11:20
ajmitchHobbsee: glutton for punishment?11:20
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cjwatsonfunnily enough we did test the installer before releasing it, so it's obviously not "doesn't work"11:20
mneptonKDE is used by the same people that bolt US$10K of crap to a US$3K car. GNOME is used by people with a bit more taste. :P11:21
Hobbseecjwatson: do you want to deal with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/68559 ?11:21
UbugtuMalone bug 68559 in Ubuntu "I can't install ubuntu into existing root partition. (I need to delete and re-create it)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:21
Hobbseecjwatson: i cant think of a way to do it diplomatically11:22
Hobbseeajmitch: seems so11:22
tfheenmnepton: "taste" and "USD" in the same sentence? :-)11:22
Keybukmnepton: oddly enough, it used to be the other way around11:22
mneptontfheen: the american dollar, great on a cracker!11:22
cjwatsonHobbsee: diplomatically?11:22
ChipzzHobbsee: save the fangirlism for somewhere else please11:22
mneptonKeybuk: yeah, i remmeber 2001. :)11:23
HobbseeChipzz: huh?  want to explain that?11:23
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Hobbseecjwatson: something other than "we've decided not to do things this way, be quiet"11:23
Chipzz11:19 < Hobbsee> dholbach: of course, i'd be a lot happier to deal with them if it wasnt icky gnome :P11:23
cjwatsonHobbsee: that would be incorrect11:23
cjwatsonHobbsee: it's a bug, not an intentional decision11:24
Hobbseecjwatson: oh, okay then.  i thought that you had decided not to let them install with an unclean /11:24
cjwatsonHobbsee: I have, but that's a different error. Note how in screenshot number 4 he's opted to format /11:24
Hobbseeoh, oops11:24
KeybukDEBUG:root:debian: kde-style-serenity 1.4-111:24
Keybuk... is that the "You can't take my CRACK! from me!" style? :p11:25
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Keybukcjwatson: thank god we tested the installer, eh? :)11:25
dholbachChipzz: !??!11:25
cjwatsonKeybuk: won't show up in all configurations, but ...11:25
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Chipzzwhy refer to it is "icky gnome"? is that really necessary?11:26
ajmitchChipzz: we understood that she's joking11:26
dholbachChipzz: it's a long-standing joke11:26
FujitsuChipzz: Yes, it's Hobbsee :P11:26
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HobbseeChipzz: please meet the :P. 11:27
mneptonHobbsee: try that with me! i taste like chicken! oh, and sulfur.11:27
Chipzzwell, I don't like kde at all either, but I try to keep my opinion for myself ;P11:27
dholbachChipzz: and Hobbsee merged and worked on a bunch of GNOME packages, so I don't see why you should critize her in that way when it was obviously a joke...11:29
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mneptonBAWK BAWK BAWK!11:30
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infinitymnepton: megaraid_sas got in at the zero hour.11:30
mnepton(everybody point and laugh at the monkey and stop the arguing, please) :)11:30
infinitymnepton: And no, the bug was never filed, I don't think, just communicated by a few over IRC.11:30
mneptoninfinity: want a doctrail for it?11:30
infinitymnepton: Couldn't care less; it's fixed now.11:31
infinityThe 5th last upload that got in. :)11:32
Chipzzdholbach: maybe I'm just not getting the joke... :P11:32
mneptoninfinity: spnedid11:33
mnepton"splendid," too.11:33
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Chipzzdholbach: but I think that if I were to refer to kde as "a piece of crap" the whole time I would politely be asked to sod off ;P11:35
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: looks like I should be able to fix that installer bug, anyway11:35
ajmitchChipzz: just drop it11:35
Chipzzyea I will11:35
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HobbseeKeybuk: when will MOM start running again, for reference?11:36
BHSPitLappycjwatson, nice to hear. the circumstances in that bug report are a spot-on match to mine, incidentally.11:36
KeybukHobbsee: running currently11:36
Keybukusually takes 6-9 hours for the first one11:36
Keybukthough you can't upload yet, so it's moot ;)11:36
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: workaround is to delete and recreate the partition11:36
HobbseeKeybuk: oh nice.  so feasible time to start merging is...?11:36
BHSPitLappytoo bad the bug made it into the official ISO, though. maybe an early 6.10.1 ?11:36
cjwatson(since you have to reformat it anyway, that's not a big deal)11:36
BHSPitLappycjwatson, understood11:36
KeybukHobbsee: when you can upload11:36
infinityKeybuk: Sure she can, we just won't approve the uploads. :)11:36
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Hobbseeinfinity: what, even if they dont contain crack?  :P11:37
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: yeah, not sure. point releases are a big chunk of work for the whole team so we'll have to discuss it11:37
dholbach_Chipzz: Hobbsee does real work in here, maybe that's a difference :-)11:37
HobbseeKeybuk: the next question is "when can i upload again?"  if i havent done tried your patience too much :P11:38
KeybukHobbsee: when the toolchain and buildd chroots are ready11:38
ajmitchHobbsee: "soon"11:38
cjwatsonHobbsee: you can upload, it just won't go anywhere for a bit. :)11:38
Hobbseegah.  i think i'm  pulling teeth.11:38
cjwatson(feisty exists, but is frozen)11:38
Hobbseecjwatson: yeah, well.  that's not helpful11:38
infinityHobbsee: Seriously, you could upload now if you wanted to, it'll land in the unapproved queue.  But for the sake of being able to test-build your uploads with the new toolchain, you might want to wait until we have glibc/gcc/etc in.11:38
Hobbseeso i'd heard11:38
cjwatsonHobbsee: it's true, though ...11:38
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infinityFujitsu: Not anymore.11:38
ajmitchHobbsee: besides, you need to leave some packages for everyone else11:38
cjwatsonFujitsu: that's already been changed to FROZEN11:39
Hobbseeinfinity: yeah, i understand that.  and then i'm wondering on how long that will be, which was more my original question :P  iirc, edgy's toolchain didnt start on the day after dapper's release?11:39
Fujitsucjwatson: Is there a functional difference?11:39
KeybukHobbsee: next week sometime, if you want a thumb-in-the-arse estimate11:39
cjwatsonFujitsu: yes - FROZEN means (a) uploads are queued for manual approval, (b) LP actually considers feisty as the "current release"11:40
infinityHobbsee: It's being worked on right now, whilst also working really hard on watching Black Books DVDs.11:40
HobbseeKeybuk: okay, that's what i wanted to know :)11:40
BHSPitLappycjwatson, well, the workaround should probably be published readily for others' sake, somehow.11:40
Hobbseeinfinity: sounds good to me.  and DVD watching is very cruical for such things :)11:40
infinityHobbsee: It's a good way to stomach working out of hours, yes. :)11:40
mneptonoh man, i can see the tin-foil hat crowd in #ubuntu having a f-ing *field day* with Feisty being frozen11:40
Hobbseeinfinity: indeed.11:40
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: I will do, yes11:41
Keybukinfinity: you have hours? :)11:41
Fujitsumnepton: Yes, especially as it's labeled `pre-release freeze', or was last time I checked.11:41
ajmitchmnepton: want to go & stir up some trouble?11:41
mneptonhere we go ....11:41
infinityKeybuk: Not so much a set time when I do and don't work, but I theoretically have a contracted number per work that I'm meant to put in.  That number has never matched reality, but a man can dream. :)11:41
mneptonajmitch: i'd rather insert scorpions into my urethra11:41
Hobbseeajmitch: yes!  lets stir up some trouble :P11:41
BHSPitLappymnepton, way to brighten up the conversation as usual11:41
ajmitchmnepton: graphic, but accurate..11:42
mneptonBHSPitLappy: everyone has to have a super-power ...11:42
Hobbseeinfinity: since when does contract hours equal real hours?11:42
infinityHobbsee: Not once since I graduated high school. :)11:42
Hobbseeinfinity: :)  even then?11:43
mneptoninfinity: you graduated high school?11:43
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BHSPitLappylucky me, I've never graduated high school.11:43
cjwatsonBHSPitLappy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes11:43
infinitymnepton: Filthy government lies implied that it would somehow improve my future.11:43
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mneptoninfinity: well, i don't make romantic overtures to high school graduates, so i guess that diploma is helping you a *little*11:44
infinitymnepton: I assumed that had more to do with age than educational level.11:44
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BHSPitLappycjwatson, nice11:45
mneptonhey big boy. you look both hot and like you've never read "The Iliad"11:45
BHSPitLappyshould I bother trying to count the levels on which that was disturbing11:46
mneptonBHSPitLappy: well, you never graduated high school. so your count might not take too long nor go too high. ;)11:46
BHSPitLappyoh no, now he's going to retaliate with a crack that I can't even count11:47
BHSPitLappypredict'd! (though not provably, due to my typing sloth)11:47
BHSPitLappymnepton, I'm due to graduate in about 7 months, so we'll see where that goes.11:48
mneptonach so11:50
mneptonand now, i officially feel old.11:50
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BHSPitLappyyay, the nitrogen cycle is finally proving useful.11:52
mneptonquiet, necrotroph!11:53
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mneptonthat requires rearrangement?12:13
mneptonyou're too kind.12:13
sjoerdpitti: thanks for the hal sync mail!12:15
pittisjoerd: hi!12:16
pittisjoerd: my pleasure; I'm just playing around with all the new crack :)12:16
sjoerdnice :)12:16
Robot101beagle takes 550MB on this box12:18
Robot101is that normal?!12:18
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pitticjwatson: ' * Recognize feisty as valid Ubuntu release' ? :-)12:20
thomcjwatson: :D12:20
cjwatsonpitti: near enough, yes12:21
pittioh, that reminds me, do we need to manually subscribe feisty-changes?12:21
cjwatsonI think so, yes12:22
slomopitti: yes12:24
pittislomo: yes what?12:25
pittislomo: oh, subscribe12:25
slomopitti: yes ;)12:28
slomobtw, when will feisty be open for general uploads?12:28
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pittimark: 'ubuntu'? he?12:31
markedgy and me :)12:31
markit did that in dapper, it still does in edgy... it's never asked me anything12:31
Fujitsumark, meaning it uses the Australian mirror?12:33
markyes, and has locale en_AU.UTF-812:33
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fabbionemark: i think there is a bug opened for that already12:33
Fujitsumark: Did you install using the Live CD, and selected a language that is strange for the country you selected?12:34
markno, I'm just upgrading now... but I'll try a fresh install later12:37
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markit's just a bit annoying, .au mirrors are *very* slow from here ;)12:38
cjwatsonmark: was this a dapper install from the desktop CD?12:40
cjwatsonmark: if so, it's a known problem fixed in the edgy desktop CD installer12:40
markyes it was12:40
cjwatsonjust munge /etc/apt/sources.list to taste12:41
cjwatsonand /etc/environment, for the locale12:41
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marksure, I did12:41
markafter killing the upgrade process ;-)12:41
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StevenKmark: The .au mirrors are slow from here, too. :-P12:51
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surakWow! This is amazing: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs01:07
seb128we almost fixed them all ;)01:08
surakWell, if this is not the way to look for edgy bugs, then I must be really dumb (or there's something weird with LP)01:09
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Fujitsusurak: The latter, cut the edgy/.01:11
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seb128surak: your URL list bugs with an edgy backport task01:13
surakseb128 : What I did what going to launchpad, distributions, ubuntu, 6.10, and then bugs. I think this would be the logical step for looking for bugs specific to edgy. But perhaps this is offtopic, since this is a LP usability issue.01:14
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seb128surak: you have bugs specific to edgy ;)01:15
surakActually, I do :-D01:15
seb128surak: all other bugs apply to feisty too (are not specifc to edgy then)01:15
seb128right, it's a launchpad UI issue01:15
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KeybukLocally Packaged    112202:00
KeybukUnmodified          39902:00
KeybukNeeds Sync          30602:00
KeybukNeeds Merge         51802:00
KeybukLocally Repackaged  10902:00
KeybukModified            21002:01
Keybuk------------------  --02:01
KeybukTOTAL               266402:01
StevenKKeybuk: Do those number overlap?02:03
StevenKnumbers, even02:03
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KeybukLocally Packaged    70002:22
KeybukUnmodified          498902:22
KeybukNeeds Sync          237002:22
KeybukNeeds Merge         43302:22
KeybukLocally Repackaged  6502:22
KeybukModified            66702:22
Keybuk------------------  --02:22
KeybukTOTAL               922402:22
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sivangKeybuk: merge preperations ? ;)02:26
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Keybuksivang: aye02:29
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sivangKeybuk: cool02:41
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FujitsuKeybuk: What are the first and last two categories in those lists?02:46
KeybukFujitsu: locally packaged means the source doesn't exist in Debian02:47
KeybukModified means that the version in Ubuntu is greater than that in Debian, but not 0ubuntu (ie. modified, with nothing to merge)02:48
FujitsuKeybuk: That's what I guessed, but there surely can't be, THAT many new ones!?02:48
Keybuklanguage packs02:49
FujitsuOf course! I thought the numbers in main were rather large.02:50
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sivangcan anybody tell me if completing apprenticeship implies reciving a diploma for it or is it just experience ?02:51
zulprobably depends on the location02:52
sivangzul: okay, thank02:53
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gnomefreakwhy doesnt dbg work?03:17
gnomefreakgnomefreak@EdgyEft:~$ dbg firefox03:17
gnomefreakbash: dbg: command not found03:17
gnomefreakam i missing something?03:17
gnomefreakignore that03:18
gnomefreakneed more coffee03:18
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yacoobis there a place where one can read up on organisation of Ubuntu, release cycles, and it's interaction with Debian?03:21
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dholbachyacoob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers might help, if you're familiar with how Debian works03:22
yacoobI'm more or less are. Thanks :)03:23
yacoob(started to think to apply for Debian maintainership, but luckily I ran out of free time)03:23
yacoobok, this page solves second part of my question. And the first one?03:27
fabbioneyacoob: start from wiki.ubuntu.com.. there are tons of links to the structure03:38
fabbionewhat you are looking for as equivalent on NM is MOTU03:39
yacoobnow, will wiki fit into my palm... :>03:39
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yacoobHm, does that mean that main is kept in order only by Canonical folks? :>03:43
yacoobOk, I'll read up, I'll... :>03:44
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pittimvo_: SRU proposals need to go to mdz, not to security@03:52
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pittimvo_: (could also just *look* like you sent it to security@, and I just got the bug echo though)03:53
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seb128we have planned to a "reduce delta with upstream" week for ubuntu-desktop next week, are other people interested to have that for non-desktop too? What would be the right place, #ubuntu-bugs?04:00
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seb128I've created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/UpstreamDelta for the desktop packages by example04:00
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seb128and I know we have a bunch of desktop patches that should go upstream04:00
seb128not sure if people are interested to hand on #ubuntu-bugs next week and reply to people who want to do the same for non-desktop packages by example?04:01
Keybukseb128: random bug ... gnome-power-manager always seems to use the scalable icons, not the 24x24 one04:01
mvo_pitti: I didn't send it to security04:01
seb128Keybuk: we have patches pending feisty opening for that04:02
Keybukwho knows much about x fonts?  (of the old fashioned kind)04:05
Keybukthis program wants -times-normal-r-*-*-9-....04:05
Keybukwhere would I get that?04:05
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ograKeybuk, xfonts-{75,100}-dpi04:15
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Keybukogra: that only has 8px in it04:17
Keybuknot -9-04:17
ograprobably in one of the -transcoded or -european packages then ...04:17
Keybukit's as if a scalable font is missing04:18
Keybukaha! /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc was missing from my font page04:19
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ograintresting xfontsel hasnt it here either04:20
Keybukxtrkcad is happy now04:20
ograi hacve 8,10,12 etc ... but no 904:20
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mrmojosomeone needs to change ubuntu webpage04:21
mrmojo# CD Image for Apple Macintosh PowerPC based desktop and laptop computers" is very misleading04:22
mrmojoshould be CD Image for PPC based Apple Macintosh04:22
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Keybukerr, that's what is says04:23
Keybuk"PowerPC based desktop"04:23
cjwatsonhe's gone04:23
cjwatsondamn drive-byers04:23
BenCnot to mention it should add IBM POWER504:23
BenCtoo many places to update that info04:24
zulBenC: doom and gloom?04:24
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BenCzul: "All I wanna do is run my zoom zoom in her boom boom"04:25
zulBenC: heh..04:25
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Mezis there a wiki link for the -proposed and -updates process?04:38
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janimomdz: hi, can you let the xubuntu announcement through?04:41
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mdzjanimo: done04:45
janimomdz:  thanks04:45
Mezmdz: what is the process for having something added to -updates nowadays ?04:46
mdzMez: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates04:47
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Mezmdz: what is meant by "sever regressions04:48
mdzMez: a regression is when functionality which was previously working stops working04:49
mdzas opposed to something which never worked04:49
Mezmdz: so for example, having katapult not launch on systems not using en-gb and also not interacting with amarok would count? 04:50
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KeybukMez: has katapult ever launched on those systems?04:52
Keybukhas katapult ever interacted with amarok?04:52
MezKeybuk, yes :P04:52
Gadiinfinit, Keybuk:  I hope you'll excuse this as not being 100% a devel question, but I have an initramfs prob that I have been wrestling with in dapper for 2 days...   it has to do with booting by volume label (root=LABEL=)04:52
Keybukmdz: so in dapper, katapult both launched AND interacted with amarok?04:53
MezKeybuk, yes it did :P (assuming you're talking to me)04:53
yacoobI ignited a flame few windows to the left, about how much ubuntu takes from Debian.04:54
KeybukMez: is the fix trivial?04:54
GadiI have one image that boots by label fine, which is a breezy dist-upgrade to dapper.  another image that is a straight dapper install fails with:  ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-label/...  does not exist04:54
MezKeybuk: a couple of patches04:54
HobbseeMez: fixed the bookmarks section as well?04:55
KeybukGadi: that implies the label is wrong or not available04:55
Gadidoes the udev in initramfs need a particular pkg installed in userspace to make this work?04:55
Gadibut vol_id returns the label fine04:55
Gadiand it doesnt croke on LABEL in /etc/fstab04:56
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MezHobbsee, what was up with the bookmarks section ?04:56
HobbseeMez: the ones in firefox - katapult doesnt bring them up anymore04:57
KeybukGadi: kooky04:57
Keybukdoes it work in edgy?04:57
Gadihavent tried 04:57
Gaditrying to keep my sample space of problems small ;)04:57
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GadiKeybuk: when it drops me into the initramfs shell, should I be able to see a /dev/disk/by-name....?05:02
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KeybukGadi: yes05:11
Keybukdoes the directory exist at all?05:12
Gadino /dev/disk at all05:12
Gadiwhat needs modprobing to get it?05:12
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infinityGadi: Your drive controller.05:13
infinityGadi: What sortof controller is in that machine?05:13
Gadiits on the ide drive05:14
GadiI modprobed ide-disk05:14
Gadistill no /dev/disk05:14
infinityGadi: Do you have /dev/sd* or /dev/hd*?05:15
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Gadiyes - /dev/hdc, /dev/hdc105:16
Gadiwhich is correct05:16
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KeybukGadi: does /sbin/udevd exist?05:18
Gadiinfinity: also note, that if I change to root=/dev/hdc1 it boots fine05:18
GadiKeybuk: it exists and is running05:18
KeybukGadi: does /lib/udev/vol_id exist?05:18
infinityudev would have to be running, or he'd have a static device tree, not just /dev/hdc{,1}05:18
GadiKeybuk: yes05:18
KeybukGadi: what does "/lib/udev/vol_id /dev/hdc1" say?05:19
Gadiit returns the correct label info05:19
Keybukyou see ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE=... ?05:19
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Gadiyes same value for ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE and ID_FS_LABEL05:20
Keybukdoes /sys/block/hdc/removable exist?05:20
Keybukor /sys/block/hdc/hdc1/removable ?05:20
Gadiyes and its value is 105:21
Gadioh wait05:21
Keybukthat's why you don't have any labels ;)05:21
Gadi  /sys/block/hdc/removable is 105:22
Gadibut, /sys/block/hdc/hdc1/removable  does not exist05:22
Keybukthen the label and uuid for hdc will not be available05:22
Gadithats ok05:22
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Keybukremovable ide devices are teh suck05:22
Gadiso, will I not get a label for hdc1 as well?05:23
Gadihow come it works on the other image, tho, I wonder05:23
Keybukbet that's not a removable disk05:23
Gadino, they both are05:23
Gadithey are both CF chips05:23
Keybukor is exposed through the SCSI layer and is thus /dev/sd* ?05:23
GadiI just swap one for the other05:23
Gadisame lot05:23
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Gadier, slot05:24
Keybukidentical hardware?05:24
GadiCF slot on ide bus05:24
Keybuksame chipset and revision?05:24
Gadisame board05:24
Keybukon the other one, reboot with break=mount on the kernel command-line05:24
Keybukcheck /sys/block/.../removable on there too05:24
KeybukI expect that doesn't have it05:24
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pittimdz: do we still support X multiseat?05:27
GadiKeybuk: well, actually, right away I see a few diffs:05:28
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Gadi1.  Doesnt support usb keyboard (had to switch to PS/2)05:28
Gadi2.  no /dev/hdc{,1}05:28
Gadi(even after modprobe ide-disk05:29
Gadi3. only /sys/block/ram* exist05:29
Gadiis there something else I should modprobe when I break this way?05:30
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Keybuknot especially05:31
Keybukwe don't support CF that well05:31
Keybukso I'm not that surprised it's broken05:31
Keybukespecially for your root filesystem :p05:31
Gadibut, this is the CF that boots!05:31
Keybukyou did break=mount ?05:32
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Gadibtw, it has no /dev/disk either05:32
Gadiyet boots fine05:33
Keybuknothing other than ram in /sys/block ?05:33
Keybukuname -r ?05:35
Gadi(on both chips)05:36
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Gadionly real diff between the 2 is that one is dapper straight and the other is dapper off of dist-upgrade05:38
Gadiand the dist-upgrade is the one that boots05:39
Keybukoh, wait05:39
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Keybuk. /conf/initramfs.conf05:39
Keybuk. /scripts/functions05:39
Keybukrun_scripts /scripts/local-top05:39
Keybukthat'll make the necessary bits show up05:39
Keybuk(where "." is part of the command)05:40
infinitySomeone should shove "source" in dash, for the sole purpose of disambiguating IRC instructions.05:41
Gadinow I get /dev/disk05:41
Gadilemme check /sys/block05:41
infinityI guess I could just "alias source='.'" in initramfs's init, so we have it there for giving instructions. :)05:41
Gadihey hey05:42
Gadiso, /sys/block/hdc/removable is 0 here05:42
elmowhat's right click on a mac?05:42
Keybukelmo: F1205:42
Gadiso, what sets that?05:43
Gadinot the kernel?05:43
KeybukGadi: kernel05:43
Gadibut, Im using same kernel05:43
infinityGadi: Is this just two different CF cards being swapped out of the same reader?05:43
Gadiits an CF slot on the ide bus05:44
Gadiah, wait05:44
Gadithere is one diff05:44
Gadithe one that boots has 2 partitions, but the one that doesnt has 105:44
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Gadimaybe thats what the kernel uses to determine if its removable?05:45
infinityShouldn't, but it wouldn't surprise me either.05:45
Gadistrange criteria05:45
infinityIs GRUB installed to the MBR on both, to the first partition, etc?05:45
Gadifirst partition on both05:46
infinityIf it's installed on the first partition, what's on the MBR?05:46
Gadigood question05:46
infinityOne could have a DOS MBR, one could be blank/gibberish.05:46
infinityThat could relate.05:46
infinityANy number of subtle things.05:46
Gadimaybe - thanks guys05:46
infinityIf anyone feels like following that codepath instead of guessing, be my guest. :)05:46
GadiI think you've given me enough to crack it05:46
infinityAlso, is the first partition set "bootable" in both cases?05:47
infinityBlah blah blah.05:47
Gadiwell that is a yes for sure05:47
infinity(Since I have no idea what criteria may be used to determine one CF card is removable and the other is a static disk..)05:47
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GadiI think I am going to repartition this bad boy and see if it boots05:48
Gadiand if not, ill investigate the MBR05:48
Gadithx again05:48
infinityHave fun. :)05:48
infinityIf you discover something cool/interesting, do come back and share with the class.05:48
infinityI'm getting curious now, but not curkious enough to dive into the kernel and actually divine the answer from the code.05:49
infinity(Almost, though..)05:49
giftnudelinfinity: let's wait 5 minutes and see if you get bored, you might then :)05:49
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pingarwhoops. wrong window.05:50
giftnudelpingar: hello anyway :)05:50
elmoanyone got a macbook pro?  the hotkeys/function keys don't seem to work at all05:52
elmothis is a slightly large flaw when you need f12 to right click05:52
mjg59elmo: Why did ejb leave Debian?05:52
infinityelmo: We only set up the F12/right-click thing on powerpc machines.05:52
elmoinfinity: DOH05:53
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infinityadconrad@royal:~$ tail -n 4 /etc/sysctl.conf 05:54
infinity# Emulate the middle mouse button with F11 and the right with F12.05:54
infinitydev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 105:54
infinitydev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 8705:54
infinitydev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 8805:54
infinityNo idea if that would even work on an i386 kernel, but you can try.05:54
infinityelmo: ^^^05:54
elmomjg59: he was kicked out?05:57
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elmoinfinity: no dice05:57
infinityYeah, didn't figure it would work...05:57
elmoany reason  fglrx wouldn't work on a macbook pro?05:57
infinityThe lack of a VGA BIOS may confuse it.  No idea, though.05:58
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mjg59elmo: If you're booting in bios compatibility mode, it should work fie05:59
elmomm, I don't know what Colin did06:00
elmocjwatson: ?06:00
infinityThere's a claim that the dapper kernel supports mouse button emulation...06:01
infinityOn some random website. :)06:01
infinityOh, not so random, it's desrt's page.06:01
elmogod I can't even get to the terminal on this thing06:03
elmothis is such a cluster #"$Y#06:03
infinityBut it's pretty, so that counts for something.06:03
tfheeninfinity: I beg to disagree.  The macbooks are ugly. :-)06:04
elmotfheen: luca says "thanks"06:04
infinitytfheen: As a sleek, black IBM lover, I agree.06:04
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elmook, so I can't get to terminals because there ARE no consoles - apparently06:05
infinityNo appropriate console driver in the kernel for macbooks?06:06
infinityIf you were booting with bootcamp, you'd likely get a classic PC-style VGA-text (or vesafb or vga16fb) console out of it, I suspect.06:07
mjg59elmo: Or he may have jumped. Not sure.06:07
elmomacbookpro != well supported hardware06:07
elmomjg59: no, I am sure06:07
mjg59I'm being given awfully vague information06:07
elmosorry, the "?" was rhetorical or something06:07
mjg59Now I'm even more confused06:07
elmomjg59: I can give you more details but a) later and b) probably off-chan? (this one at least)06:07
mjg59elmo: Sure, no problem06:08
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elmoinfinity: where's this page?06:09
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elmoI've got everything except hotkeys and right click now06:10
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mdzMez: katapult completely failing to launch sounds severe, yes06:11
mdzMez: but how is it that no one noticed until now06:11
superm1I was considering starting a project that would focus around a customized live cd with ubuiqity modified and tailored much more towards mythtv setup and associated applications to go with it.  Should I write a spec for this, or how is the best way to go about it "officially"?06:12
infinityelmo: http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/macbook.xhtml06:13
infinityelmo: You can do right-clickwith xmodmap, if you don't care about it working in the console, but the theory is that there's a kernel driver that should be making a bunch of hotkeys (and the right-click emulation) work.. At least, if I'm reading the page right.06:14
elmothis page is full of lies06:14
elmoit's like "merged in dapper, fixed in dapper"06:14
elmoand none of it works in edgy06:14
mjg59It all was06:14
mjg59If it's reverted in edgy, that's because the patches got lost at some point06:14
elmook, then edgy is full of ugly ugly ugly regressions for this machine06:15
mjg59Complete absence of bug reports that I've seen, I'm afraid06:15
mjg59And no hardware here06:15
mjg59That does suck, though06:15
mjg59Can you file a bug against the kernel?06:15
mjg59We'll presumably be pushing an update at some stage...06:15
infinityI'd have expected desrt to track edgy and whine loudly if this stuff broke...06:15
mjg59Yeah, I'd have thought06:15
mjg59Unless it all ended up macbook (not pro) specific, or something crack like that06:16
infinityThough it's pretty telling that we only had one MacBook user (or only one willing to file bugs)06:16
Mezmdz: it has been noticed, in July ... but I only found out about it lately...06:16
mjg59Well, the installer doesn't work06:16
infinitymjg59: His page mentions Pro and non-Pro off and on, so I assume some of it's been tested on both.06:16
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cjwatsonelmo: ctrl-alt-fn-f1 might work to get to consoles (press in that order)?07:15
cjwatsonor ctrl-cmd-... - try the various combinations07:15
cjwatsonelmo: if this is Luca's box, there are definitely consoles, because I used them07:15
cjwatsonelmo: I set it up to boot using refit. I think it's in BIOS compatibility mode but I'm not certain07:16
cjwatsonelmo: the mac_hid configuration thing is a bit of a mess. I think the right answer may be just to change the defaults in the kernel rather than messing about further with procps07:16
cjwatsonelmo: but yeah, mac_hid would kind of need to be available in the kernel ...07:17
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elmocjwatson: when I stopped gdm remotely, it went to a blank screen07:18
elmocjwatson: and none of the combos I tried got me to a combo, but *shrug* that's less important right now, I worked around it by ssh-ing in07:18
cjwatsonelmo: did you try chvt 1?07:18
cjwatsonelmo: alternatively it could be that X buggered up the console07:18
elmocjwatson: ah, no didn't occur to me07:18
cjwatsonelmo: oh, hmm, might be worth trying fbdev? it'll be slower, but might work better ...07:18
cjwatsonmaybe vesa doesn't know how to restore whatever the heck the fb is on the macbook (I forget)07:19
cjwatsonelmo: installing that machine was why I suddenly made myself the assignee for intel-mac-support, because it was such a nightmare to make work at all07:19
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elmocjwatson: yeah, it's a horror show, it's looking a little better now07:22
elmowith the addition of restricted and fglrx, I've got decent X, sound, and wireless at least07:22
thomis that a core duo or a core2 duo?07:23
elmonot sure, the laptop (and it's owner) have left for the day07:24
thomcos i was thinking about acquiring a core2 duo one as a desktop replacement07:25
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dokomdz, cjwatson: still working? if yes, please see bug 68380 and bug 6839607:47
UbugtuMalone bug 68380 in eclipse "eclipse for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6838007:47
UbugtuMalone bug 68396 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6839607:47
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Flkmjg59: m000000000000007:54
mjg59Flk: Ha07:55
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mdzdoko: please email07:59
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cjwatsonelmo: oh good08:34
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Gadiinfinity: do you know what the event loops issue is in udev wrt accessing removable devices on the ide bus?08:48
GadiIm thinking about just changing that rule in my initramfs08:48
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jonh_wendellHow can i proceed to suggest a new version of a package (in main)09:26
jonh_wendelljust open a new bug against the package?09:27
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G0SUBwhat is the use of the ``terminal multiplexor[sic] '' service in Edgy?09:32
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G0SUBI am curious about what it does09:32
Burgworkjonh_wendell: yes, but it would be for feisty, not edgy09:33
Burgworkjonh_wendell: which app?09:33
jonh_wendellBurgwork: rdesktop. Just filled the bug 6870109:33
UbugtuMalone bug 68701 in rdesktop "New version (1.5), sync from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6870109:33
jonh_wendellBurgwork: and about edgy-updates?09:33
G0SUBjonh_wendell: if and only if it has a dataloss bug, we can publish a new version via edgy-updates09:35
Burgworkit can backported09:35
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jonh_wendellok, i understood09:36
jonh_wendellbtw, is the way the bug was reported correct?09:37
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sladencjwatson: I have a HP DL360-G5 here which doesn't get any further than the first blue installation screen.  Same on dapper and etch09:47
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mantiena-baltixpitti: hi, are you alive ?09:52
neuralissladen: which screen is that? keyboard selection?09:52
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sladenneuralis: just after keyboard selection for Ubuntu;  just before keyboard selection for etch (might have got them switched, each cycles takes $time)10:05
neuralissladen: ilo2 bug, most likely, there's a patch; i spoke to benc about it, but he thinks it's in ubuntu's kernel already10:12
neuralissladen: debian bug 38420210:12
UbugtuDebian bug 384202 in installation-reports "Failure on systems with HP iLO 2" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/38420210:12
neuralissladen: (rather, he thinks it should even be in the dapper kernel, where i can replicate your problem; .17 upstream should have it, so it really ought to work with edgy)10:14
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neuralissladen: as a temporary measure, you can start in expert mode and simply bypass the keyboard selection step.10:15
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G0SUBedgy seems to be way more resource hungry than dapper10:55
G0SUBit took > 15 minutes on a machine with 256 MB RAM to load the live CD10:56
pygiG0SUB: no, not really =)10:58
pygiG0SUB: I tried running it multiple times on 256MB machines10:58
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: what kind of machine ?10:58
G0SUBpygi: running? or loading the live CD?10:58
G0SUBubuntu_demon: it's a newish celeron based laptop10:59
pygiG0SUB: well, running the live cd, which means it also had to load ;)10:59
G0SUBpygi: odd.10:59
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: probably some bug somewhere I'd guess11:00
pygiG0SUB: what's the drive? QDC as always? :P11:00
G0SUBpygi: it certainly has some issues with laptops. i should investigate where it stalls11:00
G0SUBpygi: don't know, it's not mine.11:00
pygiG0SUB: what's with drive's DMA?11:00
G0SUBpygi: in any case, the newer usplash (though fantastic) has some issues with vga=xxx kernel param11:01
G0SUBpygi: DMA is surely on11:01
pygiG0SUB: about vga, I know :-/11:01
azeemG0SUB: did you try the noapic boot option?11:01
G0SUBpygi: any fixes?11:01
G0SUBazeem: no. what does it do?11:01
pygiG0SUB: you could try running vga=normal 11:02
sladenneuralis: thanks for the work-around.  Good news is that latest etch daily works11:02
G0SUBpygi: well, normal will be just normal. I want vga=79111:02
azeemG0SUB: how long did booting the dapper livecd take on that notebook?11:02
pygiG0SUB: right, well it has it's problems =P11:02
pygithat's just usplash :P11:02
pygiit had even more serious problems before :P11:02
G0SUBazeem: the hdd install is < 45 secs. don't remember the live cd one. in any case, far far less than this one.11:03
G0SUBpygi: I sure hope they will be fixed.11:03
pygiG0SUB: in -updates perhaps, dunno11:03
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azeemG0SUB: then I suggest you try noapic, it fixed a similar symptom for a notebook I tested11:03
G0SUBazeem: trying right now11:03
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G0SUBazeem: nope, didn't help.11:13
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G0SUBazeem: it took a LOT of time to go past the squashfs stage and then got stuck at loading GDM (I see the gdm background and cursor)11:14
G0SUBmay be the CDROM drive is to blame11:14
G0SUBpygi: do you know what major changes has been made to usplash this time?11:15
ubuntu_demonI reported a bug today. On my girlfriend's pc with a real crappy monitor she can't see usplash while booting. She only sees a black screen.11:17
sladenubuntu_demon: does the monitor power off?11:18
ubuntu_demonI don't know whether it should be assigned to usplash or initramfs-tools or the kernel. Here's the bug : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/6864711:18
UbugtuMalone bug 68647 in initramfs-tools "[maybe initramfs-tools or usplash?]  black screen during usplash. Ubuntu boots fine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:18
ubuntu_demonsladen: it appears to just show a black screen. It's old crappy 14" monitor.11:19
ubuntu_demonsladen: I always have to turn the monitor off by pressing the off button .. that's how old it is ;)11:20
ubuntu_demonsladen: it appears to not get any signal until gdm is reached11:20
ubuntu_demonsladen: but I'm not sure. I'm no expert at monitors 11:20
G0SUBsladen: can you kindly take a look at bug 68545 too? is there any fix for it?11:21
UbugtuMalone bug 68545 in usplash "Behaves incorrectly with a custom vga=791 kernel parameter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6854511:21
stgraberubuntu_demon: what's the value of the vga= parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?11:21
Mezevening sladen11:21
ubuntu_demonstgraber: There's no vga= option by default I tried vga=normal. it didn't help11:21
ubuntu_demonI turned of the lights in this room. It really gets no signal while usplash .. it emits no light at all 11:24
pygiG0SUB: Dunno really, but I was using usplash since ages ago from cvs 11:24
pygiG0SUB: splashy also, and it seems to behave a bit better11:24
pygitho it also had the vga= problem at start11:24
jonh_wendellany firefox guy here?11:24
G0SUBpygi: splashy is what i used way back ...11:25
pygijonh_wendell: just ask what you need ^_^11:25
jonh_wendellpygi: look at bug 68510 please11:25
UbugtuMalone bug 68510 in firefox "firefox crashes when looking at google maps" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6851011:25
jonh_wendellshould i reject it or ask for more tests?11:26
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pygio joy, flash :P11:26
sladenubuntu_demon: does the monitor go on standby?11:26
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sladenubuntu_demon: or is the monitor old enough to not do things like standby?11:27
pygijonh_wendell: you could ask to try to provide "howto crash ff in that particular case"11:27
pygijonh_wendell: if no usable response withnin few days, close11:27
pygijonh_wendell: my suggestion:)11:27
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ubuntu_demonsladen: I *think* the monitor is too old to be able to go on standby11:28
jonh_wendellpygi: ok, thanks11:28
G0SUBbah! it seems stellarium on i386 is completely broken11:28
sladenevening mez11:29
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ubuntu_demonI filed the bug to initramfs-tools because I didn't know whether I should file it to usplash or initramfs-tools11:30
G0SUBubuntu_demon: can you check if stellarium works?11:30
ubuntu_demonG0SUB : not related to this usplash/initramfs-tools/? bug right ?11:31
G0SUBubuntu_demon: not at all. different bug11:31
ubuntu_demonG0SUB : thought so ;) wanted to make sure11:32
ubuntu_demonG0SUB : I'll try it on my laptop then ;)11:32
G0SUBubuntu_demon: try anywhere, it seg faults when i try to run it here (i386)11:32
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: okay. I will try it with my current running generic kernel 11:33
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ubuntu_demonG0SUB: doesn't segfault here. At what moment does it segfault ? What's the link to the bug ?11:35
G0SUBubuntu_demon: I am reporting the bug. let me investigate it a bit first11:36
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: I'm running the latest Edgy generic kernel with an intel Core Duo11:36
G0SUBubuntu_demon: i am on the default kernel too, but a P-4 M proc11:37
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pygisivang: ping?11:37
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: I'm not on the default kernel which is 386 AFAIK. I installed linux-generic11:38
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G0SUBubuntu_demon: i am on the generaic one too. IIRC on edgy generic is 686 or 58611:38
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: okay :)11:38
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G0SUBubuntu_demon: man, the core dump is 18 MB !!11:40
ubuntu_demonG0SUB: :)11:41
ubuntu_demonDoes anyone have any insight in : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/68328 it's about hibernate/suspend for my laptop11:42
UbugtuMalone bug 68328 in linux-source-2.6.17 "suspend-to-ram and hibernate-to-disk don't work properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:42
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ubuntu_demonI'm especially wondering whether I can provide more useful information somehow for that one11:43
ubuntu_demonI will be away for a bit 11:45
ubuntu_demon(offtopic : I will stay logged on and will check back after I watched naruto)11:45
bluefoxicydid anyone teach Edgy to not start X until something figures out what video card we have and if it's changed from last boot and updates X?11:49
bluefoxicyor is my soon to be attempted switch to an nVidia FX5200 going to result in my computer booting to "X KEEPS CRASHING HELP :(" mode?11:49
bluefoxicy(yes I'll find out when I actually try; the question is more posed as a reminder that this definitely needs to be addressed some day)11:50
bluefoxicy(But I'm curious too, I know upstart's able to do stuff like this.... :)11:50
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G0SUBubuntu_demon: bug 6872411:55
UbugtuMalone bug 68724 in stellarium "Stellarium crashes at start-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6872411:55
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suraknight, ajmitch. Where are you? :-)12:07
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ajmitchsurak: New Zealand12:08
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ubuntu_demongood night guys :)12:09
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