[12:10] well, SOME wmvs don't render up... I guess I'd better look for the pack :> [12:11] hmm, jono is not here [12:11] sivang: nop ^_^ [12:13] pygi: hey dude [12:13] sivang: hey ^_^ === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] BHSPitLappy: what's wrong with them? (I can change that page) === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] hi mdz [12:28] ajmitch: or not [12:28] oh well :) [12:30] where does mdz work from? [12:30] depends [12:30] around release times, I think he heads to the office in london [12:31] ah [12:31] he is the UK right now [12:31] where is he normally? [12:32] cali [12:33] good night [12:33] night pitti === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] pitti: you pinged? === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lemsx1 [n=lemsx1@p86-65.acedsl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:37] is the webmaster here? [12:38] FireRabbit: file a bug against the product ubuntu-website [12:38] I've added an ubuntu-7.04 milestone; dated 2007-04-01 for now because I don't know the exact dat [12:38] ok [12:40] cjwatson: sounds optimistic :-) [12:41] I think the suggested date by sabdfl was the 19th [12:43] https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/68492 [12:43] Malone bug 68492 in ubuntu-website "Incorrect description of how to obtain torrents" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:46] FireRabbit: thanks [12:46] with the mirrors overloaded, this is not a good thing [12:49] sladen: were you close to Jono in LinuxWorld london, I spotted you in some of the photos. [12:49] sivang, which photos? [12:50] ah! you're here :) [12:51] jono: http://nikbutler.wordpress.com/files/2006/10/jonoinflow.JPG [12:51] jono! [12:51] jono: I have sent you a mail wrt edgy cds and ubuntu-in [12:51] hey ajmitch :) [12:52] G0SUB, cool, will check mail tomorrow [12:52] jono: that's fine :) it's actually about changing the shipping address from the one I provided earlier (if possible) [12:53] jono: do you know who was the Zend guy David Morely tried to explain, and I quote "yes, we give it away rather than sell it. Amazing." ? ;-) [12:53] jono: (this was about jokosher) [12:53] fabbione: ping [12:53] G0SUB, cool [12:54] sivang, hehe [12:54] :P [12:54] jono: fine, thanks :) [12:54] dave morley apparently got quite pissed off at people thinking Jokosher was a money making scheme [12:55] jono: so it's not your secret plan to extort millions? [12:56] ajmitch, no, I plan to make money from selling guns to frustrated gentoo users :P [12:56] ajmitch: HEHE [12:56] jono: well our original loco contact (pre-plug) has gone back to gentoo now :) [12:56] jono: my last job was Zend, I was curious if I knew the guy :) [12:56] ajmitch, hah! [12:56] sivang, oh cool [12:57] it's aweful to see how Oracle ripped off RHEL to create their own distro [12:57] and the name, my god. it's super-aweful === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] Can someone confirm a bug for me with gnome-panel? [12:58] if you left click and drag an icon in the gnome-panel to the right, and back to the left, does the icon lose all it's information? ie name/icon etc [12:59] sid: on which release? edgy or dapper? [12:59] edgy [12:59] not here I don't think [01:00] sid: couldn't reproduce it here ... [01:00] LaserJock: You left clicked and draged an icon to the right in the panel, then back? 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[06:52] hey what files do i need to install to compile kernel modules? [06:52] i mean packages? [06:54] build-essential, bin86, kernel-package, libqt3-headers, libqt3-mt-dev [06:54] there are some decent howto's int he forums i believe as well that will tell you everything you need [06:54] nixternal, is there a howto on how to build a kernel the ubuntu way? [06:54] heh [06:55] read my mind [06:55] well, that i don't know about [06:55] the "ubuntu way" is just to "apt-get upgrade" [06:55] apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.17 if you are in edgy [06:55] but please ask these questions in #ubuntu [06:55] we let the kernel devs build them for us [06:55] this is not a support channel [06:56] is there a kernel dev channel for just the ubuntu kernel? [06:57] cause i know ubuntu kernel isnt vanilla [06:57] glick: a development channel is not where you ask how to build a kernel [06:57] it's where you submit patches to improve or fix bugs [06:57] fabbione, where would you ask then? [06:57] #ubuntu [06:58] ubuntu channel is for beginners and general help, most people arnt building kernels === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.49.221.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] #ubuntu is for all support [07:00] IIRC there is an #ubuntu+1 for slightly more experienced users [07:01] #ubuntu+1 is for development releases [07:01] but since there is no such thing right now, #ubuntu+1 is closed [07:01] Seveas: dude you are spoiling the fun :) [07:01] and feisty is open in LP btw.. [07:02] That's my job ;) [07:02] hmm, I should make a feisty-changes rss feed [07:02] the list is open [07:02] have there already been uploads? [07:02] one, sitting in NEW [07:02] but i strongly suggest not to use it [07:02] heh [07:02] it's there only for bootstrapping feisty toolchain [07:03] I won't switch to feisty until december or so === fabbione is running feisty already on 3 arches [07:03] well but i cheat [07:03] i have all the toolchain here :) [07:03] glibc 2.5? [07:03] yes [07:03] excellent :) [07:03] and .19-rc3 [07:03] wow :) [07:04] yeah I saw benc's topic change in -kernel === Hobbsee idly wonders what would happen if you tried to boot from that [07:04] Hobbsee: it works here on ppc/sparc/i386.. but it's still missing a bunch of specific ubuntu drivers [07:04] i expect it would cause large amounts of doom, but i wonder what exactly whould happen [07:04] can we stick to non homo-erotic names for ubuntu releases? [07:04] just a thought [07:04] fabbione: that in a chroot, or on a partition? [07:04] my opinion [07:04] Hobbsee: live [07:05] fabbione: wow, cool [07:05] Hobbsee: it's not too different from upstream 2.6.19-rc3, afaik [07:06] ahh okay [07:06] not at the moment it is not === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-237-80-168.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] Hobbsee: oh add ia64 to that list [07:15] heh === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] Seveas: Do we have an RSS feed for feisty yet? [07:25] infinity, I'm having trouble creating one [07:25] my mailserver is borking [07:25] Seveas: (If you need a message to the list first, I can pop the first source package through) [07:25] no need to [07:26] courier rejects the subscription mail without any indication why [07:26] Special. [07:26] ys [07:26] and I have to go to work now, soit will have to wait until this evening [07:27] Well, that just unacceptable for a volunteer effort. :P [07:27] sue me ;) [07:27] anyway, bbl [07:27] Seveas: If I statr passing stuff through now, can you pick up old messages an inject them in the feed, or will they just get lost? [07:27] I'll inject them [07:28] Okay, cool. [07:28] Later, then. === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-68-88-136-133.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajforgue [n=andrew@2001:5c0:89e4:0:212:f0ff:fed8:c339] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] 15:08:46 (1.34 MB/s) - `ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso' saved [07:30] yay ;-) [07:33] that's slow [07:37] yeah, that's a dumb way of reporting [07:37] it was [07:37] 15:00:04 -> 15:08:46 [07:37] stupid wget [07:39] jdub: Which mirror? === aba_ [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-24-123.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0BE9C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] jdub: I didn't know you had wet-string that fast in Oz! === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.49.221.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0BE9C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] jdub: you are still slow :) [08:02] fabbione: But you seem to have the most ultimate hardware on the planet, so probably the ultimate connection as well :P === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-246-26-124.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] Fujitsu: i don't have ultimate hw.. no [08:04] (6.53 MB/s) - `edgy-desktop-i386.iso' [08:04] this switch sucks [08:04] OK then, have ACCESS to :P [08:04] not even on my internal lan at 100Mb i can cheat === janimo [n=jani@86.105.195.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@86.105.195.47] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:08] <_ion> (259.31 MB/s) - `ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso' [08:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hansreiser <-- thoughts? [08:10] O_o [08:10] Burgundavia: offtopic.. please remove and let's lock that account [08:10] fabbione: can't lock, but I can ask [08:10] fabbione: Sounds good, if we can get it locked... === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-237-80-168.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:23] any idea where I can file a bug report on usplash? launchpad says it doesn't use malone for bug tracking [08:25] G0SUB: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+filebug should do it. [08:26] Fujitsu: ah, thanks [08:29] the problem that I have with usplash is if I add vga=791 as a kernel parameter the spalsh screen becomes off-center and vga=789 simply borks the splash by making it way too large and the text wraps around === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.147.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] yup, stick those in the bug report aswell === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] good morning === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@75.Red-88-0-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=karl@82.108.14.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgmobile [n=jsgmobil@125.212.120.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] fabbione: ha ha :-) === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950B0AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] fabbione: i just upgraded my modem so i get adsl2+ speeds. woo. [08:57] hey jdub! [08:58] jdub: my ISP started offering adsl2+ yesterday [08:58] i need to check it [08:58] yo pitti [08:58] congrats to everyone on the release :-) [08:59] hey jdub [08:59] morning Hobbsee [09:00] jdub: IT'S NOT MORNING! [09:00] jdub: arent you in my timezone? :P === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod_ [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] i always say good morning [09:01] true, but still === lorenzod_ [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dam_ned [n=dam_ned@twiadria.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-24-123.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A61F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] good morning, Sarah [09:13] hey tfheen :) === mdz [n=mdz@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] tfheen: glad release is over? :) === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A61F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] Hobbsee: yeah. It's great fun, but really exhausting too. [09:16] i'll bet [09:17] hi tfheen [09:17] it'll be nice to have a couple of somewhat quiet days before leaving for the conference. [09:17] hiya Andrew === SimSie [n=demo@219-89-8-40.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] morning all. Good job [09:23] morning [09:23] hows the new release going? === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A61F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] tfheen: "quiet" days of bootstrapping a new release, you mean? :P === infinity is hoping for some "quiet" in the week after the conferences. [09:27] infinity: quiet after MV is utopia.. we need to open the gates and start merging.. we better enjoy the quietness in writing specs :) [09:31] infinity: I didn't say all of the company had a couple of quiet days.. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-238-192.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mantiena-baltix [n=egle@ctv-84-55-5-47.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] Hi all [09:48] pitti: are you alive ? === jack_wyt [n=Jack@61.49.221.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@86.105.195.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] mvo: morning, any news on the upgrade bug? [09:54] mvo: should I recommend dist-upgrade in the release ann? [09:54] janimo: no, sorry. nothing new. === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [09:55] mvo, so I'll say clean reinstall is recommended, or be prepared to unbreak te system? === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] bug ? [09:58] janimo: a apt-get dist-upgrade should work as well, I have a theory now what triggers the crash [09:59] janimo: update-manager rereads/validates the icon-theme after the install so this may trigger the problem. I'm still in the dark *why* the problem exists [10:00] mvo: thanks, I'll recommend dist-upgrade then [10:00] what is the poblem ? [10:01] mvo: it may be a different set of icon themes being installed in xubuntu/ubuntu cause some corner case bug [10:01] lifeless: update-manager crashes while upgarding xubuntu dapper to edgy [10:01] lifeless: does not affect ubuntu [10:03] lifeless: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/68027 <- pretty spectecular, the crash takes the whole desktop with it [10:03] Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed] === dous [n=dous@ubuntu/member/dous] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] mvo: wow, nice fuckage === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1162.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] good morning [10:06] hi [10:07] hiya Jerome [10:07] hey dholbach [10:07] hey Andrew === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@86.105.195.47] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === janimo [n=jani@86.105.195.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] mantiena-baltix: hi [10:24] Keybuk, ! [10:25] BHSPitLappy: ? [10:25] I've been idling in here for a couple of weeks, just in hopes of catching you in here. [10:26] oh? [10:26] yep. [10:27] pm? [10:27] Keybuk: sounds like you're famous :P [10:27] celebrity status achieved! === BHSPitLappy is with a local tabloid [10:28] Keybuk: that's the moment in which you need to change your status from blogger to submarine and start to hide... [10:29] any ubuntu-announce moderator in here? [10:29] got rejected for the announcement mails, whereas they got queued for approval last week [10:29] elmo: ^^ === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] janimo: Did you rememebr to add an "X-Ubuntu" header? === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] infinity: I have no idea what that is, have not used it so far === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] I'll take that as a "no", then. :) [10:43] infinity: :) [10:43] I am also not user if I could do that from gmail [10:43] s/user/sure/ [10:43] janimo: -announce will drop anything on the floor that's lacking such a header. [10:43] infinity: ok, I'll remember for future mails [10:44] janimo: I can resend it for you, if you mail it to me, and tell me who it should be From. [10:44] infinity: ok, a moment [10:46] infinity: sent it to you 0x3 address, From field the one you receive it from [10:46] 0c3 [10:46] Alright. [10:46] I should start charging for this service.. (had to do it for RichEd for edubuntu too) [10:47] janimo: Don't you have an ubuntu.com address? [10:47] janimo: Might look a bit better to send it from there. [10:47] infinity: I do, you can use jani@ubuntu.com then [10:47] Will do. [10:47] thanks === infinity fixes your word-wrapping a bit... === joejaxx [n=joejaxx@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] janimo: Sent. === jpon [n=jpon@82.239.80.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] infinity: thanks for the word-wrapping as well === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-52-192.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] BHSPitLappy: so, what was the releases.ubuntu.com mistake you were asking about? [11:06] cjwatson, descriptions were off. [11:07] for example, the bittorrent I downloaded said traditional download or something === armeida [n=armeida^@213.144.15.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] yes, some of them do seem to be incorrect [11:11] BHSPitLappy: thanks, I'll look into that [11:11] BHSPitLappy: for future reference, https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-cdimage/+filebug is the best place to report problems with cdimage.ubuntu.com or releases.ubuntu.com === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] mmk === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] the installer on the official cd doesn't work, somebody should look into that too. [11:13] "Prepare mount points" [11:13] "! No root file system." [11:13] imbrandon, ping [11:14] I beg to differ, ubuntu. [11:14] ogra, pong [11:14] imbrandon, would it be possible to have the old categorization for the imported artwork in a.u.c ? [11:15] but eh, I guess I'm not allowed to install ubuntu in a reasonable, acceptable configuration === janimo [n=jani@86.105.195.47] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:15] BHSPitLappy: Sarcasm is less effective than well-formed bug reports. [11:15] ogra, yea actualy i was working on that, its on my hdd but not quite ready to upload yet [11:15] the edubuntu category had a ton of pics, now i have to got through a quite complicated navigation to get to them [11:15] ok [11:15] thanks :) [11:15] np :) [11:16] infinity, I don't know... directed in the right places, ... [11:16] anybody know shuttleworth's cell number? [11:17] BHSPitLappy: Please cut it... you can't expect anybody to be motivated after your little taunts. [11:17] especially just after a release, too [11:18] come now, lighten up a little. [11:19] dholbach: do you want help with your merges for feisty too? [11:19] dholbach: (not that we have to deal with them yet) === dholbach hugs Hobbsee :-) [11:19] BHSPitLappy: thanks for your releases.u.c report; fixed, as well as fixing the root cause of the problem === Hobbsee hugs dholbach. i thought you might like that. [11:19] hehe :-) [11:19] dholbach: of course, i'd be a lot happier to deal with them if it wasnt icky gnome :P [11:19] cool [11:20] BHSPitLappy: on the other hand you've now convinced me not to look at your installer report, and I'm the person you need to look at it [11:20] Hobbsee: hahahaha - wait until seb128 sees that [11:20] dholbach: :D [11:20] Hobbsee: glutton for punishment? === mnepton glares === seb128 hugs dholbach [11:20] funnily enough we did test the installer before releasing it, so it's obviously not "doesn't work" [11:21] KDE is used by the same people that bolt US$10K of crap to a US$3K car. GNOME is used by people with a bit more taste. :P [11:21] cjwatson: do you want to deal with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/68559 ? [11:21] Malone bug 68559 in Ubuntu "I can't install ubuntu into existing root partition. (I need to delete and re-create it)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:22] cjwatson: i cant think of a way to do it diplomatically [11:22] ajmitch: seems so [11:22] mnepton: "taste" and "USD" in the same sentence? :-) [11:22] mnepton: oddly enough, it used to be the other way around [11:22] tfheen: the american dollar, great on a cracker! [11:22] Hobbsee: diplomatically? [11:22] Hobbsee: save the fangirlism for somewhere else please [11:23] Keybuk: yeah, i remmeber 2001. :) [11:23] Chipzz: huh? want to explain that? === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] cjwatson: something other than "we've decided not to do things this way, be quiet" [11:23] 11:19 < Hobbsee> dholbach: of course, i'd be a lot happier to deal with them if it wasnt icky gnome :P [11:23] Hobbsee: that would be incorrect [11:24] Hobbsee: it's a bug, not an intentional decision [11:24] cjwatson: oh, okay then. i thought that you had decided not to let them install with an unclean / [11:24] Hobbsee: I have, but that's a different error. Note how in screenshot number 4 he's opted to format / [11:24] oh, oops [11:24] yeah [11:24] DEBUG:root:debian: kde-style-serenity 1.4-1 [11:25] ... is that the "You can't take my CRACK! from me!" style? :p === mnepton wonders if EtienneG filed the megaraid-sas/initramfs bug [11:25] OH === cjwatson sees the bug, argh [11:25] cjwatson: thank god we tested the installer, eh? :) [11:25] Chipzz: !??! [11:25] Keybuk: won't show up in all configurations, but ... === heno [n=henrik@host-81-191-161-221.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] why refer to it is "icky gnome"? is that really necessary? [11:26] Chipzz: we understood that she's joking [11:26] Chipzz: it's a long-standing joke [11:26] Chipzz: Yes, it's Hobbsee :P === mnepton hands Hobbsee a for future use === dous [n=dous@ubuntu/member/dous] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] Chipzz: please meet the :P. [11:27] Hobbsee: try that with me! i taste like chicken! oh, and sulfur. [11:27] well, I don't like kde at all either, but I try to keep my opinion for myself ;P [11:29] Chipzz: and Hobbsee merged and worked on a bunch of GNOME packages, so I don't see why you should critize her in that way when it was obviously a joke... === mnepton tastes like chicken! [11:30] BAWK BAWK BAWK! === Fujitsu takes a bite from mnepton. [11:30] mnepton: megaraid_sas got in at the zero hour. [11:30] (everybody point and laugh at the monkey and stop the arguing, please) :) [11:30] mnepton: And no, the bug was never filed, I don't think, just communicated by a few over IRC. [11:30] infinity: want a doctrail for it? [11:31] mnepton: Couldn't care less; it's fixed now. [11:31] oOoOoOoOo! [11:31] niftay. [11:32] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-October/008054.html [11:32] The 5th last upload that got in. :) [11:32] dholbach: maybe I'm just not getting the joke... :P [11:33] infinity: spnedid [11:33] "splendid," too. === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] dholbach: but I think that if I were to refer to kde as "a piece of crap" the whole time I would politely be asked to sod off ;P [11:35] BHSPitLappy: looks like I should be able to fix that installer bug, anyway [11:35] Chipzz: just drop it [11:35] yea I will [11:35] good. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B0B88.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] Keybuk: when will MOM start running again, for reference? [11:36] cjwatson, nice to hear. the circumstances in that bug report are a spot-on match to mine, incidentally. [11:36] Hobbsee: running currently [11:36] usually takes 6-9 hours for the first one [11:36] though you can't upload yet, so it's moot ;) [11:36] BHSPitLappy: workaround is to delete and recreate the partition [11:36] Keybuk: oh nice. so feasible time to start merging is...? [11:36] too bad the bug made it into the official ISO, though. maybe an early 6.10.1 ? [11:36] (since you have to reformat it anyway, that's not a big deal) [11:36] cjwatson, understood [11:36] Hobbsee: when you can upload [11:36] Keybuk: Sure she can, we just won't approve the uploads. :) === Hobbsee wants to do something apart from studying. or not studying [11:37] infinity: what, even if they dont contain crack? :P [11:37] BHSPitLappy: yeah, not sure. point releases are a big chunk of work for the whole team so we'll have to discuss it [11:37] Chipzz: Hobbsee does real work in here, maybe that's a difference :-) [11:38] Keybuk: the next question is "when can i upload again?" if i havent done tried your patience too much :P [11:38] Hobbsee: when the toolchain and buildd chroots are ready [11:38] Hobbsee: "soon" [11:38] Hobbsee: you can upload, it just won't go anywhere for a bit. :) [11:38] gah. i think i'm pulling teeth. [11:38] (feisty exists, but is frozen) [11:38] cjwatson: yeah, well. that's not helpful [11:38] Hobbsee: Seriously, you could upload now if you wanted to, it'll land in the unapproved queue. But for the sake of being able to test-build your uploads with the new toolchain, you might want to wait until we have glibc/gcc/etc in. [11:38] so i'd heard [11:38] Hobbsee: it's true, though ... === Fujitsu likes the `EXPERIMENTAL' title that feisty has on LP. [11:38] Fujitsu: Not anymore. [11:38] Hobbsee: besides, you need to leave some packages for everyone else [11:39] Fujitsu: that's already been changed to FROZEN [11:39] infinity: yeah, i understand that. and then i'm wondering on how long that will be, which was more my original question :P iirc, edgy's toolchain didnt start on the day after dapper's release? [11:39] cjwatson: Is there a functional difference? [11:39] Hobbsee: next week sometime, if you want a thumb-in-the-arse estimate [11:40] Fujitsu: yes - FROZEN means (a) uploads are queued for manual approval, (b) LP actually considers feisty as the "current release" [11:40] Hobbsee: It's being worked on right now, whilst also working really hard on watching Black Books DVDs. [11:40] Keybuk: okay, that's what i wanted to know :) [11:40] cjwatson, well, the workaround should probably be published readily for others' sake, somehow. [11:40] infinity: sounds good to me. and DVD watching is very cruical for such things :) [11:40] Hobbsee: It's a good way to stomach working out of hours, yes. :) [11:40] oh man, i can see the tin-foil hat crowd in #ubuntu having a f-ing *field day* with Feisty being frozen [11:40] infinity: indeed. [11:41] BHSPitLappy: I will do, yes [11:41] infinity: you have hours? :) [11:41] mnepton: Yes, especially as it's labeled `pre-release freeze', or was last time I checked. [11:41] mnepton: want to go & stir up some trouble? [11:41] here we go .... [11:41] Keybuk: Not so much a set time when I do and don't work, but I theoretically have a contracted number per work that I'm meant to put in. That number has never matched reality, but a man can dream. :) [11:41] ajmitch: i'd rather insert scorpions into my urethra [11:41] ajmitch: yes! lets stir up some trouble :P [11:41] mnepton, way to brighten up the conversation as usual [11:42] mnepton: graphic, but accurate.. [11:42] BHSPitLappy: everyone has to have a super-power ... [11:42] infinity: since when does contract hours equal real hours? [11:42] Hobbsee: Not once since I graduated high school. :) [11:43] infinity: :) even then? [11:43] infinity: you graduated high school? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu notes that nobody in #ubuntu must see /distros/ubuntu/feisty, as it says `Status: Pre-release Freeze'... People were asking yesterday, when it wasn't even listed, if it was released yet :P [11:43] lucky me, I've never graduated high school. [11:43] BHSPitLappy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes [11:43] mnepton: Filthy government lies implied that it would somehow improve my future. === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] infinity: well, i don't make romantic overtures to high school graduates, so i guess that diploma is helping you a *little* [11:44] mnepton: I assumed that had more to do with age than educational level. === Keybuk never graduated high school === mnepton sidles over [11:45] cjwatson, nice [11:45] hey big boy. you look both hot and like you've never read "The Iliad" [11:46] should I bother trying to count the levels on which that was disturbing [11:46] BHSPitLappy: well, you never graduated high school. so your count might not take too long nor go too high. ;) [11:47] oh no, now he's going to retaliate with a crack that I can't even count [11:47] ahh [11:47] predict'd! (though not provably, due to my typing sloth) [11:48] mnepton, I'm due to graduate in about 7 months, so we'll see where that goes. [11:50] ach so [11:50] and now, i officially feel old. === mnepton continues decomposing [11:52] yay, the nitrogen cycle is finally proving useful. [11:53] quiet, necrotroph! [11:53] bully! === yacoob rearanges mnepton into stack of compost === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] that requires rearrangement? [12:13] you're too kind. [12:15] pitti: thanks for the hal sync mail! [12:16] sjoerd: hi! [12:16] sjoerd: my pleasure; I'm just playing around with all the new crack :) [12:16] nice :) [12:18] ffs [12:18] beagle takes 550MB on this box [12:18] is that normal?! === cjwatson prepares the traditional vim upload === Norgz [n=eroux@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] cjwatson: ' * Recognize feisty as valid Ubuntu release' ? :-) [12:20] cjwatson: :D [12:21] pitti: near enough, yes [12:21] oh, that reminds me, do we need to manually subscribe feisty-changes? [12:22] I think so, yes [12:24] pitti: yes [12:25] slomo: yes what? [12:25] slomo: oh, subscribe [12:28] pitti: yes ;) [12:28] btw, when will feisty be open for general uploads? === mark wonders why ubuntu keeps insisting that he's in .au while he's actually on the other side of the globe [12:31] mark: 'ubuntu'? he? [12:31] edgy and me :) [12:31] it did that in dapper, it still does in edgy... it's never asked me anything [12:33] mark, meaning it uses the Australian mirror? [12:33] yes, and has locale en_AU.UTF-8 === aBiNg [n=wujie@221.6.29.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] mark: i think there is a bug opened for that already [12:33] okay [12:34] mark: Did you install using the Live CD, and selected a language that is strange for the country you selected? [12:37] no, I'm just upgrading now... but I'll try a fresh install later === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0BE9C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] it's just a bit annoying, .au mirrors are *very* slow from here ;) [12:40] mark: was this a dapper install from the desktop CD? [12:40] mark: if so, it's a known problem fixed in the edgy desktop CD installer [12:40] yes it was [12:41] okay [12:41] just munge /etc/apt/sources.list to taste [12:41] and /etc/environment, for the locale === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] sure, I did [12:41] after killing the upgrade process ;-) === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-52-192.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:51] mark: The .au mirrors are slow from here, too. :-P === ajjjj [n=anja@ua-83-227-215-150.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0BE9C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A658FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ArtVandalae [n=ArtVanda@ppp72-53.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === surak [n=surak@158.109.65.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] Wow! This is amazing: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs [01:08] we almost fixed them all ;) [01:09] Well, if this is not the way to look for edgy bugs, then I must be really dumb (or there's something weird with LP) === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] surak: The latter, cut the edgy/. === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] surak: your URL list bugs with an edgy backport task [01:14] seb128 : What I did what going to launchpad, distributions, ubuntu, 6.10, and then bugs. I think this would be the logical step for looking for bugs specific to edgy. But perhaps this is offtopic, since this is a LP usability issue. [01:14] (IMHO) === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-22-165.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] surak: you have bugs specific to edgy ;) [01:15] Actually, I do :-D [01:15] surak: all other bugs apply to feisty too (are not specifc to edgy then) [01:15] right, it's a launchpad UI issue === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === malcc_ [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-net.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] main [02:00] Locally Packaged 1122 [02:00] Unmodified 399 [02:00] Needs Sync 306 [02:00] Needs Merge 518 [02:00] Locally Repackaged 109 [02:01] Modified 210 [02:01] ------------------ -- [02:01] TOTAL 2664 [02:03] Keybuk: Do those number overlap? [02:03] no [02:03] numbers, even === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem_ [n=kyle@206-248-151-76.dsl.ncf.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] universe [02:22] Locally Packaged 700 [02:22] Unmodified 4989 [02:22] Needs Sync 2370 [02:22] Needs Merge 433 [02:22] Locally Repackaged 65 [02:22] Modified 667 [02:22] ------------------ -- [02:22] TOTAL 9224 === nikusan [n=dan@58.109.8.106] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] Keybuk: merge preperations ? ;) === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === surak [n=surak@158.109.65.41] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:29] sivang: aye === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elias_ [n=elias@chello062178032026.11.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [n=kyle@206-248-151-76.dsl.ncf.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] Keybuk: cool === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] Keybuk: What are the first and last two categories in those lists? [02:47] Fujitsu: locally packaged means the source doesn't exist in Debian [02:48] Modified means that the version in Ubuntu is greater than that in Debian, but not 0ubuntu (ie. modified, with nothing to merge) [02:48] Keybuk: That's what I guessed, but there surely can't be, THAT many new ones!? [02:48] OK. [02:49] language packs [02:50] Of course! I thought the numbers in main were rather large. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] can anybody tell me if completing apprenticeship implies reciving a diploma for it or is it just experience ? [02:52] probably depends on the location [02:53] zul: okay, thank === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-51-226.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin109096.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [i=till@nat/mandriva/x-a38614a3a4b279eb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] why doesnt dbg work? [03:17] gnomefreak@EdgyEft:~$ dbg firefox [03:17] bash: dbg: command not found [03:17] am i missing something? [03:18] ignore that [03:18] need more coffee [03:20] hm. === vinze [n=vinze@ip54521ae9.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] is there a place where one can read up on organisation of Ubuntu, release cycles, and it's interaction with Debian? === pirast [n=martin@p508B2587.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] yacoob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers might help, if you're familiar with how Debian works [03:23] I'm more or less are. Thanks :) [03:23] (started to think to apply for Debian maintainership, but luckily I ran out of free time) [03:24] Hah [03:24] Howdy [03:27] ok, this page solves second part of my question. And the first one? [03:38] yacoob: start from wiki.ubuntu.com.. there are tons of links to the structure [03:39] what you are looking for as equivalent on NM is MOTU [03:39] Righto. [03:39] now, will wiki fit into my palm... :> === _malcc [n=malcolm@host86-135-237-55.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] Hm, does that mean that main is kept in order only by Canonical folks? :> [03:43] Nope. [03:44] Ok, I'll read up, I'll... :> === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-51-226.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:52] mvo_: SRU proposals need to go to mdz, not to security@ === nags [i=nags@nat/novell/x-bac2d6d6633b6f64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] mvo_: (could also just *look* like you sent it to security@, and I just got the bug echo though) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8B21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kbyrd [n=kbyrd@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] we have planned to a "reduce delta with upstream" week for ubuntu-desktop next week, are other people interested to have that for non-desktop too? What would be the right place, #ubuntu-bugs? === tmarble [n=tmarble@192.18.101.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] I've created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/UpstreamDelta for the desktop packages by example === kbyrd [n=kbyrd@mailout1.vmware.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:00] and I know we have a bunch of desktop patches that should go upstream [04:01] not sure if people are interested to hand on #ubuntu-bugs next week and reply to people who want to do the same for non-desktop packages by example? [04:01] seb128: random bug ... gnome-power-manager always seems to use the scalable icons, not the 24x24 one [04:01] pitti: I didn't send it to security [04:02] Keybuk: we have patches pending feisty opening for that [04:02] ok [04:05] who knows much about x fonts? (of the old fashioned kind) [04:05] this program wants -times-normal-r-*-*-9-.... [04:05] where would I get that? === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieffel [n=dieffel@50A2F718.flatrate.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] woo! [04:15] Keybuk, xfonts-{75,100}-dpi === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] ogra: that only has 8px in it [04:17] not -9- [04:17] hmm [04:17] probably in one of the -transcoded or -european packages then ... [04:18] it's as if a scalable font is missing [04:19] aha! /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc was missing from my font page [04:19] path === aBiNg [n=wujie@221.6.29.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] hmm [04:20] intresting xfontsel hasnt it here either [04:20] xtrkcad is happy now [04:20] i hacve 8,10,12 etc ... but no 9 === mrmojo [n=mrmojo@5ac1dbc7.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] hello === BenC unleashes temporal doom [04:21] someone needs to change ubuntu webpage [04:22] "# [04:22] # CD Image for Apple Macintosh PowerPC based desktop and laptop computers" is very misleading [04:22] should be CD Image for PPC based Apple Macintosh === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrmojo [n=mrmojo@5ac1dbc7.bb.sky.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:23] err, that's what is says [04:23] "PowerPC based desktop" [04:23] he's gone [04:23] damn drive-byers [04:23] not to mention it should add IBM POWER5 [04:24] too many places to update that info [04:24] BenC: doom and gloom? === giftnudel [n=mb@frnk-590c0b85.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] zul: "All I wanna do is run my zoom zoom in her boom boom" [04:25] BenC: heh.. === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [i=Mez@195.112.61.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] is there a wiki link for the -proposed and -updates process? === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] mdz: hi, can you let the xubuntu announcement through? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] janimo: done [04:45] mdz: thanks [04:46] mdz: what is the process for having something added to -updates nowadays ? [04:47] Mez: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:48] mdz: what is meant by "sever regressions [04:49] Mez: a regression is when functionality which was previously working stops working [04:49] as opposed to something which never worked [04:50] mdz: so for example, having katapult not launch on systems not using en-gb and also not interacting with amarok would count? === Gadi [n=romm@static-71-249-255-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] hi [04:52] Mez: has katapult ever launched on those systems? [04:52] has katapult ever interacted with amarok? [04:52] yes [04:52] Keybuk, yes :P [04:52] infinit, Keybuk: I hope you'll excuse this as not being 100% a devel question, but I have an initramfs prob that I have been wrestling with in dapper for 2 days... it has to do with booting by volume label (root=LABEL=) [04:53] mdz: so in dapper, katapult both launched AND interacted with amarok? [04:53] Keybuk, yes it did :P (assuming you're talking to me) [04:53] Hmm. [04:54] I ignited a flame few windows to the left, about how much ubuntu takes from Debian. [04:54] Mez: is the fix trivial? [04:54] I have one image that boots by label fine, which is a breezy dist-upgrade to dapper. another image that is a straight dapper install fails with: ALERT! /dev/disk/by-label/... does not exist [04:54] Keybuk: a couple of patches [04:55] Mez: fixed the bookmarks section as well? [04:55] Gadi: that implies the label is wrong or not available [04:55] does the udev in initramfs need a particular pkg installed in userspace to make this work? [04:55] but vol_id returns the label fine [04:56] and it doesnt croke on LABEL in /etc/fstab === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-48-221.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] Hobbsee, what was up with the bookmarks section ? [04:57] Mez: the ones in firefox - katapult doesnt bring them up anymore [04:57] Gadi: kooky [04:57] heh [04:57] does it work in edgy? [04:57] havent tried [04:57] trying to keep my sample space of problems small ;) === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@s5592b629.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] Keybuk: when it drops me into the initramfs shell, should I be able to see a /dev/disk/by-name....? === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] Gadi: yes [05:12] does the directory exist at all? [05:12] no /dev/disk at all [05:12] what needs modprobing to get it? === vinze [n=vinze@ip54521ae9.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] Gadi: Your drive controller. [05:13] Gadi: What sortof controller is in that machine? [05:14] its on the ide drive [05:14] I modprobed ide-disk [05:14] still no /dev/disk [05:15] Gadi: Do you have /dev/sd* or /dev/hd*? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === p-ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-3178.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] yes - /dev/hdc, /dev/hdc1 [05:16] which is correct [05:16] back === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B04C8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] Gadi: does /sbin/udevd exist? [05:18] infinity: also note, that if I change to root=/dev/hdc1 it boots fine [05:18] Keybuk: it exists and is running [05:18] Gadi: does /lib/udev/vol_id exist? [05:18] udev would have to be running, or he'd have a static device tree, not just /dev/hdc{,1} [05:18] Keybuk: yes [05:19] Gadi: what does "/lib/udev/vol_id /dev/hdc1" say? [05:19] it returns the correct label info [05:19] you see ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE=... ? === elias_ [n=elias@chello062178032026.11.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] yes same value for ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE and ID_FS_LABEL [05:20] does /sys/block/hdc/removable exist? [05:20] or /sys/block/hdc/hdc1/removable ? [05:21] yes and its value is 1 [05:21] oh wait [05:21] ok [05:21] that's why you don't have any labels ;) [05:21] wait [05:22] /sys/block/hdc/removable is 1 [05:22] but, /sys/block/hdc/hdc1/removable does not exist [05:22] then the label and uuid for hdc will not be available [05:22] thats ok === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] removable ide devices are teh suck [05:22] ah [05:23] so, will I not get a label for hdc1 as well? [05:23] right [05:23] how come it works on the other image, tho, I wonder [05:23] bet that's not a removable disk [05:23] no, they both are [05:23] they are both CF chips [05:23] or is exposed through the SCSI layer and is thus /dev/sd* ? [05:23] nope [05:23] I just swap one for the other [05:23] same lot === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] er, slot [05:24] identical hardware? [05:24] CF slot on ide bus [05:24] yep [05:24] same chipset and revision? [05:24] 100% [05:24] same board [05:24] on the other one, reboot with break=mount on the kernel command-line [05:24] check /sys/block/.../removable on there too [05:24] ok [05:24] I expect that doesn't have it === Chipzz [n=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel [05:27] mdz: do we still support X multiseat? [05:28] Keybuk: well, actually, right away I see a few diffs: === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-22-165.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:28] 1. Doesnt support usb keyboard (had to switch to PS/2) [05:28] 2. no /dev/hdc{,1} [05:29] (even after modprobe ide-disk [05:29] 3. only /sys/block/ram* exist [05:30] is there something else I should modprobe when I break this way? === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-3178.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] not especially [05:31] we don't support CF that well [05:31] so I'm not that surprised it's broken [05:31] especially for your root filesystem :p [05:31] but, this is the CF that boots! [05:31] lol [05:32] you did break=mount ? [05:32] yup === mnepton [n=mneptok@mneptok.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] btw, it has no /dev/disk either [05:33] yet boots fine [05:33] nothing other than ram in /sys/block ? [05:34] yup [05:35] uname -r ? [05:35] 2.6.15-23-386 [05:36] (on both chips) [05:37] fun === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] only real diff between the 2 is that one is dapper straight and the other is dapper off of dist-upgrade [05:39] and the dist-upgrade is the one that boots [05:39] oh, wait === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] sorry [05:39] . /conf/initramfs.conf [05:39] . /scripts/functions [05:39] run_scripts /scripts/local-top [05:39] that'll make the necessary bits show up [05:40] (where "." is part of the command) [05:40] right [05:41] running... [05:41] Someone should shove "source" in dash, for the sole purpose of disambiguating IRC instructions. [05:41] yes [05:41] now I get /dev/disk [05:41] lemme check /sys/block [05:41] I guess I could just "alias source='.'" in initramfs's init, so we have it there for giving instructions. :) [05:42] hey hey [05:42] so, /sys/block/hdc/removable is 0 here [05:42] right [05:42] what's right click on a mac? [05:42] elmo: F12 [05:43] so, what sets that? [05:43] not the kernel? [05:43] Gadi: kernel [05:43] but, Im using same kernel [05:43] ? [05:43] Gadi: Is this just two different CF cards being swapped out of the same reader? [05:43] yes [05:44] its an CF slot on the ide bus [05:44] Curious. [05:44] ah, wait [05:44] there is one diff [05:44] the one that boots has 2 partitions, but the one that doesnt has 1 === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-51-226.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] maybe thats what the kernel uses to determine if its removable? [05:45] Shouldn't, but it wouldn't surprise me either. [05:45] strange criteria [05:45] Is GRUB installed to the MBR on both, to the first partition, etc? [05:46] first partition on both [05:46] If it's installed on the first partition, what's on the MBR? [05:46] good question [05:46] One could have a DOS MBR, one could be blank/gibberish. [05:46] That could relate. [05:46] ANy number of subtle things. [05:46] maybe - thanks guys [05:46] If anyone feels like following that codepath instead of guessing, be my guest. :) [05:46] I think you've given me enough to crack it [05:47] Also, is the first partition set "bootable" in both cases? [05:47] Blah blah blah. [05:47] well that is a yes for sure [05:47] (Since I have no idea what criteria may be used to determine one CF card is removable and the other is a static disk..) === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-3178.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] right [05:48] I think I am going to repartition this bad boy and see if it boots [05:48] and if not, ill investigate the MBR [05:48] thx again [05:48] Have fun. :) [05:48] If you discover something cool/interesting, do come back and share with the class. [05:49] I'm getting curious now, but not curkious enough to dive into the kernel and actually divine the answer from the code. [05:49] (Almost, though..) [05:49] infinity: let's wait 5 minutes and see if you get bored, you might then :) === pingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-3178.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] HEI! [05:50] whoops. wrong window. [05:50] pingar: hello anyway :) [05:52] anyone got a macbook pro? the hotkeys/function keys don't seem to work at all [05:52] this is a slightly large flaw when you need f12 to right click [05:52] elmo: Why did ejb leave Debian? [05:52] elmo: We only set up the F12/right-click thing on powerpc machines. [05:53] infinity: DOH === pirast__ [n=martin@p508B01E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] adconrad@royal:~$ tail -n 4 /etc/sysctl.conf [05:54] # Emulate the middle mouse button with F11 and the right with F12. [05:54] dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 1 [05:54] dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 87 [05:54] dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 88 [05:54] No idea if that would even work on an i386 kernel, but you can try. [05:54] elmo: ^^^ [05:57] mjg59: he was kicked out? === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.66.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] infinity: no dice [05:57] Yeah, didn't figure it would work... [05:57] any reason fglrx wouldn't work on a macbook pro? [05:58] The lack of a VGA BIOS may confuse it. No idea, though. === nuku [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] elmo: If you're booting in bios compatibility mode, it should work fie [06:00] mm, I don't know what Colin did [06:00] cjwatson: ? [06:01] There's a claim that the dapper kernel supports mouse button emulation... [06:01] On some random website. :) [06:01] Oh, not so random, it's desrt's page. [06:03] god I can't even get to the terminal on this thing [06:03] this is such a cluster #"$Y# [06:03] But it's pretty, so that counts for something. [06:04] infinity: I beg to disagree. The macbooks are ugly. :-) [06:04] tfheen: luca says "thanks" [06:04] tfheen: As a sleek, black IBM lover, I agree. === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] ok, so I can't get to terminals because there ARE no consoles - apparently [06:05] WTF [06:06] No appropriate console driver in the kernel for macbooks? [06:07] If you were booting with bootcamp, you'd likely get a classic PC-style VGA-text (or vesafb or vga16fb) console out of it, I suspect. [06:07] elmo: Or he may have jumped. Not sure. [06:07] macbookpro != well supported hardware [06:07] mjg59: no, I am sure [06:07] I'm being given awfully vague information [06:07] sorry, the "?" was rhetorical or something [06:07] Now I'm even more confused [06:07] :((((( [06:07] mjg59: I can give you more details but a) later and b) probably off-chan? (this one at least) [06:08] elmo: Sure, no problem === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9504.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] infinity: where's this page? === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@s5592b629.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:10] I've got everything except hotkeys and right click now === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] Mez: katapult completely failing to launch sounds severe, yes [06:11] Mez: but how is it that no one noticed until now [06:11] ? [06:12] I was considering starting a project that would focus around a customized live cd with ubuiqity modified and tailored much more towards mythtv setup and associated applications to go with it. Should I write a spec for this, or how is the best way to go about it "officially"? [06:13] elmo: http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/macbook.xhtml [06:14] elmo: You can do right-clickwith xmodmap, if you don't care about it working in the console, but the theory is that there's a kernel driver that should be making a bunch of hotkeys (and the right-click emulation) work.. At least, if I'm reading the page right. [06:14] this page is full of lies [06:14] it's like "merged in dapper, fixed in dapper" [06:14] and none of it works in edgy [06:14] It all was [06:14] If it's reverted in edgy, that's because the patches got lost at some point [06:15] ok, then edgy is full of ugly ugly ugly regressions for this machine [06:15] Complete absence of bug reports that I've seen, I'm afraid [06:15] And no hardware here [06:15] That does suck, though [06:15] Can you file a bug against the kernel? [06:15] We'll presumably be pushing an update at some stage... [06:15] I'd have expected desrt to track edgy and whine loudly if this stuff broke... [06:15] Yeah, I'd have thought [06:16] Unless it all ended up macbook (not pro) specific, or something crack like that [06:16] Though it's pretty telling that we only had one MacBook user (or only one willing to file bugs) [06:16] mdz: it has been noticed, in July ... but I only found out about it lately... [06:16] Well, the installer doesn't work [06:16] mjg59: His page mentions Pro and non-Pro off and on, so I assume some of it's been tested on both. === BlackSkad [n=Thomas@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-75-185.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kozz [i=kozz@h18n2fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.63.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Traxer|off is now known as Traxer === Traxer [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #uBUNtu-devel === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.81.111] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frafu [n=frafu@vodsl-9034.vo.lu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz_ [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] elmo: ctrl-alt-fn-f1 might work to get to consoles (press in that order)? [07:15] or ctrl-cmd-... - try the various combinations [07:15] elmo: if this is Luca's box, there are definitely consoles, because I used them [07:16] elmo: I set it up to boot using refit. I think it's in BIOS compatibility mode but I'm not certain [07:16] elmo: the mac_hid configuration thing is a bit of a mess. I think the right answer may be just to change the defaults in the kernel rather than messing about further with procps [07:17] elmo: but yeah, mac_hid would kind of need to be available in the kernel ... === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] cjwatson: when I stopped gdm remotely, it went to a blank screen [07:18] cjwatson: and none of the combos I tried got me to a combo, but *shrug* that's less important right now, I worked around it by ssh-ing in [07:18] elmo: did you try chvt 1? [07:18] elmo: alternatively it could be that X buggered up the console [07:18] cjwatson: ah, no didn't occur to me [07:18] elmo: oh, hmm, might be worth trying fbdev? it'll be slower, but might work better ... [07:19] maybe vesa doesn't know how to restore whatever the heck the fb is on the macbook (I forget) [07:19] elmo: installing that machine was why I suddenly made myself the assignee for intel-mac-support, because it was such a nightmare to make work at all === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] cjwatson: yeah, it's a horror show, it's looking a little better now [07:22] with the addition of restricted and fglrx, I've got decent X, sound, and wireless at least [07:23] is that a core duo or a core2 duo? [07:24] not sure, the laptop (and it's owner) have left for the day [07:24] ah [07:25] cos i was thinking about acquiring a core2 duo one as a desktop replacement === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-6-106.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frafu [n=frafu@vodsl-9034.vo.lu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] mdz, cjwatson: still working? if yes, please see bug 68380 and bug 68396 [07:47] Malone bug 68380 in eclipse "eclipse for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68380 [07:47] Malone bug 68396 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68396 === kbyrd [n=kbyrd@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Flk [n=Mr@xor.mozor.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] mjg59: m0000000000000 [07:55] Flk: Ha === kbyrd [n=kbyrd@mailout1.vmware.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:59] doko: please email === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herz1 [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === palski [n=ville@a81-197-22-200.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] elmo: oh good === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-23-82-248-95-129.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] infinity: do you know what the event loops issue is in udev wrt accessing removable devices on the ide bus? [08:48] Im thinking about just changing that rule in my initramfs === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loopus [n=loopus@84.52.141.89] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@200216031183.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] How can i proceed to suggest a new version of a package (in main) [09:27] just open a new bug against the package? === pirast [n=martin@p508B01E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] what is the use of the ``terminal multiplexor[sic] '' service in Edgy? === fsmw [n=Fernando@125-59-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] I am curious about what it does [09:33] jonh_wendell: yes, but it would be for feisty, not edgy [09:33] jonh_wendell: which app? [09:33] Burgwork: rdesktop. Just filled the bug 68701 [09:33] Malone bug 68701 in rdesktop "New version (1.5), sync from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68701 [09:33] Burgwork: and about edgy-updates? [09:34] nope [09:34] :( [09:35] jonh_wendell: if and only if it has a dataloss bug, we can publish a new version via edgy-updates [09:35] it can backported === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-6-106.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] ok, i understood [09:37] btw, is the way the bug was reported correct? === Loopus [n=loopus@84.52.141.89] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === kbyrd [n=kbyrd@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kbyrd [n=kbyrd@mailout1.vmware.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:47] cjwatson: I have a HP DL360-G5 here which doesn't get any further than the first blue installation screen. Same on dapper and etch === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.81.111] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] pitti: hi, are you alive ? [09:52] sladen: which screen is that? keyboard selection? === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-138.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-75.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arr0gance is now known as Arrogance [10:05] neuralis: just after keyboard selection for Ubuntu; just before keyboard selection for etch (might have got them switched, each cycles takes $time) [10:12] sladen: ilo2 bug, most likely, there's a patch; i spoke to benc about it, but he thinks it's in ubuntu's kernel already [10:12] sladen: debian bug 384202 [10:12] Debian bug 384202 in installation-reports "Failure on systems with HP iLO 2" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/384202 [10:14] sladen: (rather, he thinks it should even be in the dapper kernel, where i can replicate your problem; .17 upstream should have it, so it really ought to work with edgy) === Gadi [n=romm@static-71-249-255-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:15] sladen: as a temporary measure, you can start in expert mode and simply bypass the keyboard selection step. === jorgp [n=jorgp@adsl-70-234-128-48.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-7c9454ee21ecaf04] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@s5592b629.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.178.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] edgy seems to be way more resource hungry than dapper [10:56] it took > 15 minutes on a machine with 256 MB RAM to load the live CD [10:58] G0SUB: no, not really =) [10:58] G0SUB: I tried running it multiple times on 256MB machines [10:58] G0SUB: what kind of machine ? [10:58] pygi: running? or loading the live CD? [10:59] ubuntu_demon: it's a newish celeron based laptop [10:59] G0SUB: well, running the live cd, which means it also had to load ;) [10:59] pygi: odd. [11:00] G0SUB: probably some bug somewhere I'd guess [11:00] G0SUB: what's the drive? QDC as always? :P [11:00] pygi: it certainly has some issues with laptops. i should investigate where it stalls [11:00] pygi: don't know, it's not mine. [11:00] G0SUB: what's with drive's DMA? [11:01] pygi: in any case, the newer usplash (though fantastic) has some issues with vga=xxx kernel param [11:01] pygi: DMA is surely on [11:01] G0SUB: about vga, I know :-/ [11:01] G0SUB: did you try the noapic boot option? [11:01] pygi: any fixes? [11:01] azeem: no. what does it do? [11:02] G0SUB: you could try running vga=normal [11:02] neuralis: thanks for the work-around. Good news is that latest etch daily works [11:02] pygi: well, normal will be just normal. I want vga=791 [11:02] G0SUB: how long did booting the dapper livecd take on that notebook? [11:02] G0SUB: right, well it has it's problems =P [11:02] that's just usplash :P [11:02] it had even more serious problems before :P [11:03] azeem: the hdd install is < 45 secs. don't remember the live cd one. in any case, far far less than this one. [11:03] pygi: I sure hope they will be fixed. [11:03] G0SUB: in -updates perhaps, dunno === crass [n=crass@rrcs-24-73-245-194.sw.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:03] G0SUB: then I suggest you try noapic, it fixed a similar symptom for a notebook I tested [11:03] azeem: trying right now === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] azeem: nope, didn't help. [11:13] :-/ === Mez [i=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] azeem: it took a LOT of time to go past the squashfs stage and then got stuck at loading GDM (I see the gdm background and cursor) [11:14] may be the CDROM drive is to blame [11:15] pygi: do you know what major changes has been made to usplash this time? [11:17] I reported a bug today. On my girlfriend's pc with a real crappy monitor she can't see usplash while booting. She only sees a black screen. [11:18] ubuntu_demon: does the monitor power off? [11:18] I don't know whether it should be assigned to usplash or initramfs-tools or the kernel. Here's the bug : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/68647 [11:18] Malone bug 68647 in initramfs-tools "[maybe initramfs-tools or usplash?] black screen during usplash. Ubuntu boots fine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:19] sladen: it appears to just show a black screen. It's old crappy 14" monitor. [11:20] sladen: I always have to turn the monitor off by pressing the off button .. that's how old it is ;) [11:20] sladen: it appears to not get any signal until gdm is reached [11:20] sladen: but I'm not sure. I'm no expert at monitors [11:21] sladen: can you kindly take a look at bug 68545 too? is there any fix for it? [11:21] Malone bug 68545 in usplash "Behaves incorrectly with a custom vga=791 kernel parameter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68545 [11:21] ubuntu_demon: what's the value of the vga= parameter in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? [11:21] evening sladen [11:21] stgraber: There's no vga= option by default I tried vga=normal. it didn't help [11:24] I turned of the lights in this room. It really gets no signal while usplash .. it emits no light at all [11:24] G0SUB: Dunno really, but I was using usplash since ages ago from cvs [11:24] G0SUB: splashy also, and it seems to behave a bit better [11:24] tho it also had the vga= problem at start [11:24] any firefox guy here? [11:25] pygi: splashy is what i used way back ... [11:25] jonh_wendell: just ask what you need ^_^ [11:25] pygi: look at bug 68510 please [11:25] Malone bug 68510 in firefox "firefox crashes when looking at google maps" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68510 [11:26] should i reject it or ask for more tests? === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] o joy, flash :P [11:26] ubuntu_demon: does the monitor go on standby? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] ubuntu_demon: or is the monitor old enough to not do things like standby? [11:27] jonh_wendell: you could ask to try to provide "howto crash ff in that particular case" [11:27] jonh_wendell: if no usable response withnin few days, close [11:27] jonh_wendell: my suggestion:) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@unaffiliated/radiantfire] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:28] sladen: I *think* the monitor is too old to be able to go on standby [11:28] pygi: ok, thanks [11:28] bah! it seems stellarium on i386 is completely broken [11:29] evening mez === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] I filed the bug to initramfs-tools because I didn't know whether I should file it to usplash or initramfs-tools [11:30] ubuntu_demon: can you check if stellarium works? [11:31] G0SUB : not related to this usplash/initramfs-tools/? bug right ? [11:31] ubuntu_demon: not at all. different bug [11:32] G0SUB : thought so ;) wanted to make sure [11:32] G0SUB : I'll try it on my laptop then ;) [11:32] ubuntu_demon: try anywhere, it seg faults when i try to run it here (i386) [11:33] G0SUB: okay. I will try it with my current running generic kernel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@host217-44-6-189.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] G0SUB: doesn't segfault here. At what moment does it segfault ? What's the link to the bug ? [11:36] ubuntu_demon: I am reporting the bug. let me investigate it a bit first [11:36] G0SUB: I'm running the latest Edgy generic kernel with an intel Core Duo [11:37] ubuntu_demon: i am on the default kernel too, but a P-4 M proc === Mez [i=defmem2@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] sivang: ping? [11:38] G0SUB: I'm not on the default kernel which is 386 AFAIK. I installed linux-generic === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-56-21.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] ubuntu_demon: i am on the generaic one too. IIRC on edgy generic is 686 or 586 [11:38] G0SUB: okay :) === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] ubuntu_demon: man, the core dump is 18 MB !! [11:41] G0SUB: :) [11:41] (gzipped) [11:42] Does anyone have any insight in : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/68328 it's about hibernate/suspend for my laptop [11:42] Malone bug 68328 in linux-source-2.6.17 "suspend-to-ram and hibernate-to-disk don't work properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === surak [n=surak@87.219.200.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] I'm especially wondering whether I can provide more useful information somehow for that one [11:45] I will be away for a bit [11:45] (offtopic : I will stay logged on and will check back after I watched naruto) [11:49] did anyone teach Edgy to not start X until something figures out what video card we have and if it's changed from last boot and updates X? [11:49] or is my soon to be attempted switch to an nVidia FX5200 going to result in my computer booting to "X KEEPS CRASHING HELP :(" mode? [11:50] (yes I'll find out when I actually try; the question is more posed as a reminder that this definitely needs to be addressed some day) [11:50] (But I'm curious too, I know upstart's able to do stuff like this.... :) === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] ubuntu_demon: bug 68724 [11:55] Malone bug 68724 in stellarium "Stellarium crashes at start-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68724 === geser [n=michael@dialin108169.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pike_ [n=happy@74.131.55.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@32.224-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@32.224-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-56-21.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:06] morning [12:07] night, ajmitch. Where are you? :-) === shackan [n=shackan@host39-148-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] surak: New Zealand === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-56-21.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] good night guys :) === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5529.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@s5592b629.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel []