[12:15] <crimsun> (This is obviously subjective.)
[12:16] <crimsun> Burgwork: oh. In that case I'm backing away slowly.
[12:16] <Burgwork> crimsun: better run as I can run faster
[12:16] <pygi> crimsun: but autotools are bad as well :P
[12:16] <Burgwork> *grin*
[12:16] <crimsun> autotools are even worse than scons.
[12:17] <pygi> crimsun: signed :)
[12:27] <theCore> pygi, have you packaged Diva?
[12:28] <pygi> theCore: can't, it's not running on top of stable gst yet
[12:28] <theCore> pygi, I tried to, but Diva required a patched version of gstreamer
[12:28] <theCore> pygi, ahh
[12:28] <pygi> theCore: no kidding :)
[12:28] <Burgwork> what about pitivi
[12:29] <Burgwork> it actually uses gnonlin
[12:29] <pygi> theCore: the svn version shouldnt really need it, but there are still some problems ^_^
[12:29] <pygi> which is also buggy :P
[12:29] <theCore> I think there was plan to make Diva runnable on plain Gst
[12:29] <theCore> a plan*
[12:31] <pygi> theCore: I know, I'm one of devs =)
[12:31] <pygi> theCore: that's why I'm telling you about the svn version which SHOULD work on top of plain gst
[12:31] <pygi> but I think we still have some problems
[12:33] <theCore> pygi, oh, I thought mdk was still alone doing his project
[12:33] <pygi> theCore: nop, for some time
[12:33] <pygi> theCore: Senko jumped on, and later I did
[12:33] <pygi> but no much progress lately as you probably know due to that *problems*
[12:33] <crimsun> hmm, why was my note on EdgyReleaseNotes regarding asoundconf removed? I was asked by fabbione to place that note.
[12:34] <theCore> pygi, I would jump in, but I got no experience with C#, neither with video editing
[12:34] <pygi> theCore: what about C & gst knowledge? :)
[12:36] <Burgwork> hey jono
[12:36] <theCore> pygi, I'm good with C, but I'm a total ignorant of gst
[12:36] <crimsun> ah, I see mdz removed it. Oh well.
[12:36] <pygi> theCore: oh :(
[12:38] <theCore> pygi, although, it may changes
[12:38] <pygi> would be nice :) You know partly diva is based on GDV, the gst engine MDK wrote?
[12:38] <jono> Burgwork, howdy
[12:39] <Burgwork> pygi: my question is: Why did diva use gdv and not gnonlin?
[12:39] <theCore> pygi, yeah, I saw that in the source code
[12:40] <pygi> Burgwork: ask MDK and ask Miguel Icaza ^_^
[12:40] <pygi> Burgwork: they probably made that decision at start of SoC two years ago
[12:40] <Burgwork> right
[12:41] <LaserJock> hi jono 
[12:41] <jono> hey LaserJock 
[12:48] <nixternal> i see how it is now..during the "construction" phase everyone hides..and now that we are in the "delivery" stage everyone is back ;)
[12:48] <nixternal> muhehe
[12:48] <Burgwork> *grin*
[12:48] <nixternal> haha, i knew you would be the first
[12:48] <Burgwork> all here for the glory and none of the hard work
[12:49] <nixternal> mdke gets the "Documentation Hard Work" Award for sure
[01:10] <JoseStefan> who updates the source-o-matic ?
[01:18] <nixternal> Seveas i believe
[01:18] <nixternal> yes, that is Seveas' project
[01:26] <JoseStefan> thats 2 things that point me to him :/
[01:26] <JoseStefan> that and ubotu
[01:38] <JoseStefan> bbl
[02:59] <ceros> hello
[02:59] <ceros> is there a discussion section for each article in the documentation wiki?
[03:00] <Burgwork> sadly no
[03:00] <ceros> ok
[03:00] <ceros> will there be one soon?
[03:00] <Burgwork> you can create a /Talk page
[03:01] <ceros> you mean for each article?
[03:01] <Burgwork> any you want to comment on
[03:03] <ceros> how would i create one?
[03:04] <Burgwork> go to the page and create it
[03:22] <ceros> ok, finally figured out how it's done on this wiki
[03:23] <ceros> well i was goint to ask about editing pages in the ubuntu documentation wiki
[03:23] <ceros> we're allowed to edit them right?
[03:25] <Burgwork> absolutely
[03:25] <ceros> ok
[03:26] <ceros> i changed the script for installing the w32codecs for i386 machines
[03:26] <Burgwork> sounds good
[03:26] <ceros> would there be a better way to install w32codecs?
[03:27] <Burgwork> tell people to wget and then dpkg -i?
[03:27] <ceros> the mirror to plf was broken
[03:27] <ceros> don't know anyother place to get this package
[03:28] <ceros> i was thinking there's a way to do the same thing but without creating a symlink
[03:28] <Burgwork> symlink?
[03:28] <ceros> symbolic link
[03:28] <Burgwork> no, understand what it is
[03:28] <Burgwork> I don't understand what you mean in this context
[03:29] <ceros> ok
[03:29] <ceros> i have the script telling me to get the package straight from mplayerhq
[03:29] <ceros> it's a tar.bz2 package
[03:29] <Burgwork> that is crack
[03:29] <ceros> i can't just tell it to extract straight to /usr/lib/codecs because it will create a folder called all-*
[03:30] <ceros> and then extract all the files
[03:30] <Burgwork> lets see if we can find w32codecs from somewhere else
[03:33] <Burgwork> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/
[03:33] <ceros> ok
[03:39] <dthacker> hello
[03:45] <ceros> thanks for your help
[05:06] <dthacker_away> not much on the doc list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects.  Where is help needed the most?
[05:16] <Burgundavia> dthacker: what do you like doing?
[05:16] <Burgundavia> the project list is old
[05:30] <dthacker> Burgundavia: I like writing and editing.  I'm currently editing a bunch 'o pages for tikiwkiw.org at http:://doc/tikiwiki.org
[05:30] <Burgundavia> cool
[05:31] <Burgundavia> well the wiki at help.ubuntu.com/community always needs help
[05:32] <Burgundavia> my suggestion would be to write what you know quite a lot about
[05:33] <dthacker> Burgundavia: How do I get there?  http://help.ubuntu.com/community doesn't seem to work
[05:33] <Burgundavia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Welcome
[05:44] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, your alter-ego is back again, must have just stepped out for coffee ;)
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68521 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu release notes refer to Firefox 2.0 which isn't included" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68521
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68523 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: No default bit torrent capability is installed with Kubuntu - actually ktorrent is in default install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68523
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68524 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: Networking section refers to ethereal, now called wireshark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68524
[05:53] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68525 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: refers to adept handbook - not included.." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68525
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68527 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: says type "kdesu adept" this breaks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68527
[06:11] <nixternal> holy shnikeys we did a crappy job if we just got bombarded like that
[06:11] <nixternal> who is Caroline Ford?  She sure can pinpoint boogs big time
[06:12] <Madpilot> we should invite her into the docteam as a proofreader :)
[06:12] <nixternal> no doubt
[06:12] <nixternal> she is a big time bug person, and seems to always read over our work big time..i like that
[06:20] <nixternal> i can fix those in the repos now can't i?
[06:20] <nixternal> and when Riddell gets a chance, can recheck them out later to fix the system
[06:23] <nixternal> all those bugs are due to us just writing over the old breezy and dapper docs...just goes to show that a rewrite just might be neccessary
[06:30] <nixternal> oh no, staffer, watch out everyone ;)
[06:34] <rob> boo!
[06:34] <nixternal> 5 days away until booday
[06:35] <rob> s/boo//
[06:35] <nixternal> you can't take it back, to late ;)
[06:35] <rob> yeah I can ^ :)
[06:36] <nixternal> nope, you are still timestamped at 23:34:12 here in Chicago, and you little s/boo// didn't remove it, so no you can't take it back ;)
[06:36] <nixternal> muhehe
[07:49] <jroes> is there a reason behind giving users commands like "apt-get install pkg pkg pkg" when they will almost always need to drop a "sudo" in front of that?
[09:09] <mdke> nixternal: before we fix those bugs we need to check that trunk is up to date with any changes that were made to the edgy branch after we branched it off
[09:09] <mdke> jroes: I don't think so.
[09:10] <mdke> jroes: our policy is really to tell users to "install pkg" rather than tie them down to a particular method of installation
[10:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67586 in kubuntu-docs (main) "default homepage nonexistant" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67586
[10:55] <Plug> So.
[10:56] <Plug> On the subject of documentation, probably worth asking here first
[10:56] <Plug> is 'gksu "update-manager -c"' acceptable for an upgrade?
[10:56] <Plug> Or should I file a bug along the lines of "provide an alias for that" or "add a right-click the tray icon to do it" option?
[10:57] <Plug> I guess that the update-manager method is the only one guaranteed to work for versions < feisty, even if it is made easier
[04:54] <nixternal> moins
[05:10] <nixternal> mdke: how do you go about updating between the branches?  do you just run diff, create a patch, and apply it to trunk?  or just copy over from edgy to trunk?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> the current trunk should have been branched or it may alreayd ahve been i dunno
[05:13] <nixternal> it has been
[05:13] <nixternal> just for a few weeks now
[05:14] <jsgotangco> why would you like to muck up with the branch?
[05:14] <nixternal> [02:09:33]  <mdke> nixternal: before we fix those bugs we need to check that trunk is up to date with any changes that were made to the edgy branch after we branched it off
[05:14] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:15] <nixternal> yup
[07:26] <mdke> nixternal: yeah just do a diff on the relevant document and see what's changed. Decide if it should apply to trunk, and if so, do it
[07:26] <nixternal> already did it...there was only a couple small changes for the kubuntu side of things
[07:27] <nixternal> already fixed teh boogs as well, and creating a new package for Riddell
[07:27] <nixternal> there is a stingy bug with the firefox frontpage with kubuntu, but it is an /etc/alternatives issue
[07:58] <mdke> nixternal: creating a new package?
[07:58] <nixternal> debdiff rather
[07:59] <mdke> for what distribution?
[07:59] <nixternal> updating the current package is what i should have said
[07:59] <nixternal> kubuntu
[07:59] <mdke> edgy-updates?
[07:59] <nixternal> yes
[07:59] <mdke> ah, that was quick
[08:00] <nixternal> ya, well someone found a bunch of bugs with the KDG, and then there was the standing release number issue with the release notes
[10:08] <mdke_> nixternal: if changing strings in the edgy branch you need to copy the changes to trunk too
[10:08] <nixternal> ya i will here in a bit
[10:08] <nixternal> i had to run and take care of some stuff ;)
[10:08] <mdke_> cool. It doesn't have to be done immediately
[10:09] <nixternal> i have most of them copied over already
[10:09] <nixternal> thanks for highlighting me with that though..i could have very well forgotten to do it, since today is super busy for me
[10:15] <mdke_> :)
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68712 in ubuntu-docs "IMPORTANT bad translation in file index-fr_FR.html" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68712
[11:06] <claude> hi all,
[11:06] <claude> is the firefox home page in an ubuntu-doc template in Rosetta ?
[11:17] <claude> at least, i found the page in the svn repos