[12:15] (This is obviously subjective.) [12:16] Burgwork: oh. In that case I'm backing away slowly. === pygi used scons with Diva, and will use it in one of his future projects [12:16] crimsun: better run as I can run faster [12:16] crimsun: but autotools are bad as well :P [12:16] *grin* [12:16] autotools are even worse than scons. [12:17] crimsun: signed :) [12:27] pygi, have you packaged Diva? [12:28] theCore: can't, it's not running on top of stable gst yet [12:28] pygi, I tried to, but Diva required a patched version of gstreamer [12:28] pygi, ahh [12:28] theCore: no kidding :) [12:28] what about pitivi [12:29] it actually uses gnonlin [12:29] theCore: the svn version shouldnt really need it, but there are still some problems ^_^ [12:29] which is also buggy :P [12:29] I think there was plan to make Diva runnable on plain Gst [12:29] a plan* [12:31] theCore: I know, I'm one of devs =) [12:31] theCore: that's why I'm telling you about the svn version which SHOULD work on top of plain gst [12:31] but I think we still have some problems [12:33] pygi, oh, I thought mdk was still alone doing his project [12:33] theCore: nop, for some time [12:33] theCore: Senko jumped on, and later I did [12:33] but no much progress lately as you probably know due to that *problems* [12:33] hmm, why was my note on EdgyReleaseNotes regarding asoundconf removed? I was asked by fabbione to place that note. [12:34] pygi, I would jump in, but I got no experience with C#, neither with video editing [12:34] theCore: what about C & gst knowledge? :) === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:36] hey jono [12:36] pygi, I'm good with C, but I'm a total ignorant of gst [12:36] ah, I see mdz removed it. Oh well. [12:36] theCore: oh :( [12:38] pygi, although, it may changes [12:38] would be nice :) You know partly diva is based on GDV, the gst engine MDK wrote? [12:38] Burgwork, howdy [12:39] pygi: my question is: Why did diva use gdv and not gnonlin? [12:39] pygi, yeah, I saw that in the source code [12:40] Burgwork: ask MDK and ask Miguel Icaza ^_^ [12:40] Burgwork: they probably made that decision at start of SoC two years ago [12:40] right [12:41] hi jono [12:41] hey LaserJock [12:48] i see how it is now..during the "construction" phase everyone hides..and now that we are in the "delivery" stage everyone is back ;) [12:48] muhehe [12:48] *grin* [12:48] haha, i knew you would be the first [12:48] all here for the glory and none of the hard work [12:49] mdke gets the "Documentation Hard Work" Award for sure [01:10] who updates the source-o-matic ? [01:18] Seveas i believe [01:18] yes, that is Seveas' project [01:26] thats 2 things that point me to him :/ [01:26] that and ubotu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:38] bbl === JoseStefan [n=edgy@232sdl30m49.codetel.net.do] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.120.174] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ceros [n=user@c-68-49-247-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ceros [n=user@c-68-49-247-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:59] hello [02:59] is there a discussion section for each article in the documentation wiki? [03:00] sadly no [03:00] ok [03:00] will there be one soon? [03:00] you can create a /Talk page [03:01] you mean for each article? [03:01] any you want to comment on [03:03] how would i create one? [03:04] go to the page and create it [03:22] ok, finally figured out how it's done on this wiki [03:23] well i was goint to ask about editing pages in the ubuntu documentation wiki [03:23] we're allowed to edit them right? [03:25] absolutely [03:25] ok [03:26] i changed the script for installing the w32codecs for i386 machines [03:26] sounds good [03:26] would there be a better way to install w32codecs? [03:27] tell people to wget and then dpkg -i? [03:27] the mirror to plf was broken [03:27] don't know anyother place to get this package [03:28] i was thinking there's a way to do the same thing but without creating a symlink [03:28] symlink? [03:28] symbolic link [03:28] no, understand what it is [03:28] I don't understand what you mean in this context [03:29] ok [03:29] i have the script telling me to get the package straight from mplayerhq [03:29] it's a tar.bz2 package [03:29] that is crack [03:29] i can't just tell it to extract straight to /usr/lib/codecs because it will create a folder called all-* [03:30] and then extract all the files [03:30] lets see if we can find w32codecs from somewhere else [03:33] http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ [03:33] ok === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-110-17-107.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:39] hello [03:45] thanks for your help === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:06] not much on the doc list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects. Where is help needed the most? === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip72-209-68-178.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:16] dthacker: what do you like doing? [05:16] the project list is old === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:30] Burgundavia: I like writing and editing. I'm currently editing a bunch 'o pages for tikiwkiw.org at http:://doc/tikiwiki.org [05:30] cool [05:31] well the wiki at help.ubuntu.com/community always needs help [05:32] my suggestion would be to write what you know quite a lot about [05:33] Burgundavia: How do I get there? http://help.ubuntu.com/community doesn't seem to work [05:33] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Welcome === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:44] Burgundavia, your alter-ego is back again, must have just stepped out for coffee ;) [05:51] New bug: #68521 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu release notes refer to Firefox 2.0 which isn't included" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68521 [05:51] New bug: #68523 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: No default bit torrent capability is installed with Kubuntu - actually ktorrent is in default install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68523 [05:51] New bug: #68524 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: Networking section refers to ethereal, now called wireshark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68524 [05:53] Madpilot: yep === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:56] New bug: #68525 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: refers to adept handbook - not included.." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68525 [06:05] New bug: #68527 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide: says type "kdesu adept" this breaks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68527 [06:11] holy shnikeys we did a crappy job if we just got bombarded like that [06:11] who is Caroline Ford? She sure can pinpoint boogs big time [06:12] we should invite her into the docteam as a proofreader :) [06:12] no doubt [06:12] she is a big time bug person, and seems to always read over our work big time..i like that [06:20] i can fix those in the repos now can't i? [06:20] and when Riddell gets a chance, can recheck them out later to fix the system [06:23] all those bugs are due to us just writing over the old breezy and dapper docs...just goes to show that a rewrite just might be neccessary === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:30] oh no, staffer, watch out everyone ;) [06:34] boo! [06:34] 5 days away until booday [06:35] s/boo// [06:35] you can't take it back, to late ;) [06:35] yeah I can ^ :) [06:36] nope, you are still timestamped at 23:34:12 here in Chicago, and you little s/boo// didn't remove it, so no you can't take it back ;) [06:36] muhehe === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@ner-as11596.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jroes [n=jroes@everest.sosdg.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:49] is there a reason behind giving users commands like "apt-get install pkg pkg pkg" when they will almost always need to drop a "sudo" in front of that? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:09] nixternal: before we fix those bugs we need to check that trunk is up to date with any changes that were made to the edgy branch after we branched it off [09:09] jroes: I don't think so. [09:10] jroes: our policy is really to tell users to "install pkg" rather than tie them down to a particular method of installation === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A61F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A61F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p549A61F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] New bug: #67586 in kubuntu-docs (main) "default homepage nonexistant" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67586 === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:55] So. [10:56] On the subject of documentation, probably worth asking here first [10:56] is 'gksu "update-manager -c"' acceptable for an upgrade? [10:56] Or should I file a bug along the lines of "provide an alias for that" or "add a right-click the tray icon to do it" option? [10:57] I guess that the update-manager method is the only one guaranteed to work for versions < feisty, even if it is made easier === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-43-31.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === GrantG [n=GrantG@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === GrantG is now known as manicka === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jono [n=jono@88-107-3-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:54] moins === bojicas [n=bojicas@ner-as31442.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:10] mdke: how do you go about updating between the branches? do you just run diff, create a patch, and apply it to trunk? or just copy over from edgy to trunk? [05:13] the current trunk should have been branched or it may alreayd ahve been i dunno [05:13] it has been [05:13] just for a few weeks now [05:14] why would you like to muck up with the branch? [05:14] [02:09:33] nixternal: before we fix those bugs we need to check that trunk is up to date with any changes that were made to the edgy branch after we branched it off [05:14] ahhh [05:15] yup === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@ner-as29527.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-75-185.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:26] nixternal: yeah just do a diff on the relevant document and see what's changed. Decide if it should apply to trunk, and if so, do it [07:26] already did it...there was only a couple small changes for the kubuntu side of things [07:27] already fixed teh boogs as well, and creating a new package for Riddell [07:27] there is a stingy bug with the firefox frontpage with kubuntu, but it is an /etc/alternatives issue === tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [07:58] nixternal: creating a new package? [07:58] debdiff rather [07:59] for what distribution? [07:59] updating the current package is what i should have said [07:59] kubuntu [07:59] edgy-updates? [07:59] yes [07:59] ah, that was quick [08:00] ya, well someone found a bunch of bugs with the KDG, and then there was the standing release number issue with the release notes === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S0106000393c442d8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gaz00_ [n=gaz00@S0106000393c442d8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S0106000393c442d8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy_ [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:08] nixternal: if changing strings in the edgy branch you need to copy the changes to trunk too [10:08] ya i will here in a bit [10:08] i had to run and take care of some stuff ;) [10:08] cool. It doesn't have to be done immediately [10:09] i have most of them copied over already [10:09] thanks for highlighting me with that though..i could have very well forgotten to do it, since today is super busy for me [10:15] :) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:40] New bug: #68712 in ubuntu-docs "IMPORTANT bad translation in file index-fr_FR.html" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68712 === claude [n=claude@156-28.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:06] hi all, [11:06] is the firefox home page in an ubuntu-doc template in Rosetta ? 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