Amaranthnight imbrandon_12:11
fbonddpkg-buildpackage doesn't care about launchpad12:12
luisbgfbond, I know... just stating the point I have a gpg key associated with my email12:12
LaserJockluisbg: try using -k<gpgkeyid> with debuild12:12
imbrandon_Amaranth: the old site had less than 200 images and i load tested it with over 5000 so i think it will be fine12:12
ajmitchimbrandon_: how nasty & ugly are the hacks?12:12
luisbgLaserJock, did and no difference12:12
LaserJockluisbg: something's wrong then12:12
imbrandon_ajmitch: pretty clean actualy ( cept one to disable the java crap )12:12
fbondAre you able to sign anything with gpg explicitly?12:12
fbondluisbg, do this: touch nothing; gpg -b nothing12:13
superm1make sure that your name and email both match exactly what they are supposed to for the gpg key.  so if your Joe Shmow, make sure its not signing Joe S.12:13
superm1(in the changelog)12:13
luisbgfbond, a nothing.sig is created with my signature12:14
ajmitchsigning doesn't matter for when you're making a debdiff, though12:14
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luisbgsuperm1, doublechecked a possible spelling error12:14
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luisbgit's my name... after the million times I have written it... hard to mispell12:15
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fbondluisbg, not sure why dpkg-buildpackage is failing to sign ...12:16
imbrandon_[17:12]  <imbrandon_> Amaranth: the old site had less than 200 images and i load tested it with over 5000 so i think it will be fine12:17
luisbgfbond, I'm as confused12:17
luisbgthanks for the help anyway12:17
Amaranthimbrandon_: Yeah, I saw.12:17
Amaranthimbrandon_: I was only using an alpha of it but I remember it falling over when I got 10,000 or so loaded into it12:18
imbrandon_gallery1 yea becouse its file based12:18
imbrandon_not galler212:18
AmaranthI had to give it insane amounts of RAM to keep going when I had more than a few people12:18
Amaranthno no, it was g212:18
Amaranthit wasn't even really 'alpha' they just didn't want to commit to the plugin API yet12:19
imbrandon_welp i guess we'll see, if nothing else i'll do some home grown python/php12:19
LaserJockanybody know how to convert a mbox to courier?12:22
imbrandon_courier can use mbox format iirc, but there are ways to convert mbox to maildir12:23
LaserJockhmm, I found a mbox2maildir12:24
imbrandon_keep a backup :)12:24
imbrandon_but sounds promising12:24
LaserJockyes, well the server already fried12:24
LaserJockso I've grabbed some backups first thing12:25
LaserJockit must have been really something, took 3 days to get email back up12:25
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imbrandon_where at ?12:26
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LaserJockimbrandon: my department at the uni12:27
imbrandon_why did a bot just op up?12:27
ajmitchautomagic scripts?12:27
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imbrandon_heh next q i guess is why its on the access list heh12:28
LaserJockit's not12:28
ajmitchwhy the chanserv settings haven't been changed, I don't know12:28
LaserJockanybody can get op12:28
ajmitchbecause they're completely broken for here12:28
imbrandon_man i should be waking up right now and i cant sleep12:29
imbrandon_too much caffeine i think12:29
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luisbgso where can one get himself a nice ubuntu t-shirt?01:41
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plugwash!google ubuntu tee shirt01:43
YagisanResults for: ubuntu tee shirt01:44
YagisanI cant find a result for that, sorry01:44
plugwashtry http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop ?01:44
luisbgyeah... cafepress01:48
luisbgsome interesting stuff01:48
luisbghow much is the shipping to europe though?01:48
plugwashno idea01:49
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luisbgwow $702:14
luisbgwould have to buy a few stuff at once to make it worth it02:14
luisbgI believe free software projects should give a t-shirt or similar of their project as a present to people who contribute significantly02:16
luisbgwould make the contributors wear proud their gifts02:16
luisbgand have more people interested in spending some time contributing02:17
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LaserJockI just did a du -sh in ~/ on the department server. I got 3.3 GB02:26
ajmitchthat's nothing02:26
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LaserJockit seem like way too much to me02:28
LaserJock422MB in mail02:29
ajmitch du -sh ~/Mail02:30
ajmitch9.4G    /home/ajmitch/Mail02:30
ajmitchthere are some lists you should never subscribe to :)02:30
jsgotangcocrack fiend02:30
ajmitch-rw-------   1 ajmitch ajmitch  1.1G 2006-10-18 18:15 sparc-rebuild02:31
LaserJockI don't even have that much total02:31
ajmitchlots of spam from fabbione02:31
ajmitchnext highest is the ubuntu-bugs stuff with 821MB02:31
crimsunluisbg: some projects have some monetary compensation, but that's not what drives community involvement in Ubuntu [at least not that I can see] 02:32
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luisbgcrimsun, it shouldn't be the objective (to get compensation), but it doesn't harm =)02:43
luisbganyway I prefer the friendliness of the community over anything else02:43
luisbgthat's why I'm happy with ubuntu02:43
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luisbgwell... going to sleep02:45
luisbgciao all!02:45
fbondgood night, luisbg02:45
luisbgfbond, =)02:45
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crimsunzsh-beta sure is nice after a spell with dash as my shell.02:56
ajmitchI've never really used zsh02:59
ajmitchwhat's special about it?02:59
crimsunno idea; I've mostly used bash.03:01
crimsuniirc zsh had intelligent tab-completion before bash gained it03:02
jelmeryeah, it's still ahead in some points03:03
jelmeralso, it has proper vi keybinding support :-)03:03
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fbondjelmer, what's improper about bash's vi key support?03:06
jelmerfbond: I hated it when I tried it, but that's more than 5 years ago so I can't really give you anything specific, sorry03:06
jelmerI'm not even sure those issues are still there03:07
fbondhmm, it's all readline, I think03:07
jelmerI'm pretty sure zsh doesn't use the default readline stuff for the vi keybindings03:08
LaserJockI tried zsh a while ago, it was really slick03:16
jelmerthere's a couple of small things that are really nice03:17
jelmersuch as suggesting host and usernames when tabcompleting ssh commands, remote filename completion for rsync/scp, svn completion makes sense ("svn add" only suggests unversioned files), etc03:18
crimsunthere's also a really slick zsh-newuser-install() that walks you through creating a new ~/.zshrc (with explanations)03:19
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fbondyeah, I was tempted to learn zsh, but then ... I ran it, and something was really different (don't remember what) and I ran away, scared.03:20
minghuaI think bash's tab completion can do pretty much everything jelmer mentioned03:21
fbondI think the .zshrc looked nothing like bash's, and I couldn't even set my damn path right, or something03:21
crimsunnever fear, "Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-beta2-b86)" is far more menacing ;-)03:21
fbondoy, I tried getting tomcat to play nice with apache once03:21
fbondthat was a waste of 6 hours03:21
fbondI don't even know Java... wish people would stop writing programs with it.03:22
jelmerminghua: I haven't tried bash recently so I may be biased03:26
minghuajelmer: I am sure completing ssh hostname and scp filename (assume you use ssh key authentication) works03:27
minghuajelmer: I never tried rsync, and didn't really notice svn commands completion03:28
minghuabut yes, I heard some people swear by zsh03:28
minghuabash is more than enough for me, though :-)03:28
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Lathiati feel guilty marking bugs 'rejected'03:50
Lathiatit feels harsh03:50
Lathiati cant help but think 'NOTABUG' is better ;p03:50
crimsunyou'll get over that quickly.03:50
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PierreLathiat: come in php, we use "Bogus" there, not really a good replacement :P03:51
Lathiatcrimsun: well i just feel as an end user if i saw 'Rejected' vs 'Notabug' i'd be slightly more offended ;p03:52
crimsunI normally attach an explanation in addition to the Status adjustment.03:52
Lathiatoh sure, but still03:53
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rmjbso what's needed now is a bunch of bug triaging?03:57
Lathiatyeh the bugs are goign to come in en masse03:57
rmjbokay I'll hope over to #ubuntu-bugs03:58
minghuaI suppose universe bugs are going to come a bit later03:58
minghuathe first wave should be installer bugs :-)03:58
rmjbI tried to help with a few in the forums earlier... a lil tricky on the update process03:59
rmjbbut I hope I helped03:59
rmjbHere: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates it says SRUs must be approved by Matt Zimmerman or Colin Watson04:02
rmjbthat also applies for MOTU?04:02
ajmitchnot yet04:02
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ajmitchwe've yet to agree on an update procedure for universe04:03
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Plugwhich of those things did GNOME 2.14.1 slip into dapper under?04:04
ajmitchpre-agreed update04:04
ajmitch& each package was reviewed, iirc04:04
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Lathiathrm the update-mananger doesnt use $country.archive04:11
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Lathiatawesome i broke the update manager04:17
Lathiati killed it after it started to download the new pckages so i could use ab etter mirror and now every time i hit upgrade it just barfs out ;p04:17
Lathiathaha " Why did you Reject this problem I'm having so quickly?"04:27
Lathiati was right04:27
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minghuaLathiat: "why do you say it's not a bug so quickly?  I have it right here!" sounds better? :-)04:30
LaserJockLathiat: which bug?04:31
LathiatLaserJock: in an email personally04:33
Lathiat'sok he wasnt being nasty or anythign i just explained the situation to him ;p04:36
joejaxxLaserJock: do you know why the at package does not configure correctly when in a chroot debstrap environment in edgy?04:40
joejaxxLaserJock: i had proc and sysfs mounted and i had home and lc_all exported correctly04:40
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joejaxxLaserJock: it says /etc/init.d/atd start failed04:41
LaserJockI don't know04:42
joejaxxLaserJock: the funny thing is it happens on edgy only and not on dapper04:42
joejaxxmaybe there is something new you have to do on edgy in the chrooted environment? otherwise the edgy images whould fail to build04:43
joejaxxsince the at packages is in ubuntu-standard04:43
minghuajoejaxx: add "set -x" at the top of /etc/init.d/atd and you'll see exactly where it failed04:44
joejaxxminghua: alright let me do that04:44
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rmjbg'night all, got an early morning04:52
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joejaxxFujitsu: welcome back :)05:02
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FujitsuHi, my X server had an argument with an XDMCP server over wireless... :S05:04
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joejaxxminghua: i just set -x05:15
joejaxxminghua: + /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --nicelevel 0 --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/atd --oknodo --pidfile /dev/null --05:16
joejaxxinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed.05:16
joejaxxi wonder why this is happening05:18
minghuajoejaxx: no error messages?05:18
joejaxxminghua: i do not see any05:19
joejaxxthat is the last line from set x before it displays what it normal displays05:19
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minghuajoejaxx: I feel reporting a bug is the best bet05:20
joejaxxminghua: i am just wondering how you all built the edgy images05:20
joejaxxwithout running into this problem05:20
minghuajoejaxx: I don't know enough about init.d scripts.05:20
joejaxxoh alright05:21
minghuajoejaxx: well, I don't remember installing atd in my chroot in the first place05:21
joejaxxminghua: well i am building livecds05:21
joejaxxand it needs the ubuntu-standard package05:21
joejaxxand it stops on that package05:21
minghuaI see05:21
minghuaAsk other people who build live CD then :-)05:22
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joejaxxminghua: too bad that package is not an uneeded one05:23
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LaserJockjoejaxx: I haven't seen anything about that05:25
joejaxxLaserJock: oh05:25
joejaxxLaserJock: maybe it is the way i am mounting proc and sysfs?05:26
joejaxxmount -t proc none /proc && mount -t sysfs none /sys05:26
joejaxxanything look wrong with that?05:26
minghuayou are mounting in the chroot?05:27
minghuano idea then.  I always mount from outside of the chroot05:27
minghuafor proc, that is05:28
joejaxxminghua: maybe i should try that05:28
joejaxxhow do you do that?05:28
joejaxxmount -t proc  none /edgy-test/edit/proc?05:28
joejaxxi have always done it from inside the chroot05:29
joejaxxso i do not know how that works outside of it05:29
minghuajoejaxx: yeah, something like that05:29
joejaxxminghua: oh ok05:29
joejaxxlet me try that05:29
minghuaalthough I usually use a different name than "none"05:29
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joejaxxminghua: should i just use proc?05:30
joejaxxproc proc /path to /proc05:30
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joejaxxoh nevermind that whould not work05:31
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joejaxxhmm mounting outside of chroot does not work either05:34
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joejaxxhello Burgwork05:37
joejaxxminghua: so you think i should still fill out that bug even though edgy images are operational?05:38
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minghuajoejaxx: what do you mean by "image"?05:44
minghuajoejaxx: I thought your problem is "atd can't be installed in chroot"?05:44
joejaxxit cannot be install in chroot05:45
joejaxxbut it cannot be the package itself as the edgy livecd's are built from scratch05:45
joejaxxso it has to be something i am missing or something has changed from dapper that i do not know about05:46
joejaxxbecause it installs fine in dapper05:46
minghuaoh, you are thinking maybe the problem is your own system05:46
joejaxxminghua: i have tried it on multiple systems05:46
minghuause your judgement then05:46
joejaxxminghua: so there is something new with edgy that i do not know about that deals with chrooting05:47
joejaxxminghua: oh ok05:47
minghuaI don't think it hurts anything if I report a bug and gets rejected because of my own stupidity, but that's just my opinion05:47
joejaxxoh ok05:48
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FujitsuHi Chandy.07:54
ChandyFujitsu, Can I know on What basis Packages will be moved from universe to main section07:55
FujitsuChandy: If they are deemed necessary, and then only if they are able to be well supported, stable, etc... There are no strict guidelines, AFAIK.07:56
ChandyFujitsu, I found only some 4036 packages in main and 13000+ in universe07:56
FujitsuChandy: Packages in main are officially supported by Canonical. universe is maintained by the community.07:56
ChandyFujitsu, What is theat AFAIK07:56
Fujitsu`As far as I know'07:57
ChandyFujitsu, Canonical means what .. If that a team of Ubuntu developers07:57
ChandyFujitsu, How do I careate index file "Pacakges" for breezy07:58
FujitsuIt is the corporate entity that supplies the capital for Ubuntu, and hires some developers to work on Ubuntu and related products.07:58
ChandyFujitsu, If I see Ubuntu pool .. It contains packages for all its release under same pool07:58
FujitsuChandy: Why do you want to create such a file?07:58
FujitsuChandy: Of course.07:58
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ChandyFujitsu, No, I just want to know , How we can differentiate pacakges between breezy,dapper and edgy from the same pool07:59
ChandyFujitsu, I am bit confused in moving packages from universe to main08:00
ChandyFujitsu, I can see Abiword in both main and universe section of pool08:00
FujitsuChandy: You can only differentiate between releases by the versions of the packages.08:00
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ChandyFujitsu, ok..Now I have differenet versions of packages in the same pool08:01
FujitsuChandy: Chances are that Abiword was originally in universe, but was moved into main a while ago... So the packages from the previous release will be in universe.08:01
ChandyFujitsu, If I want to create packages file for breezy , then it should take lower version pacakges .. "If I use dpkg-scanpackages" It takes higer version .. How do I do that08:02
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ChandyFujitsu, Once it is moved to main section ..wont it be removed from universe08:05
FujitsuChandy: It will remain in universe in the old releases.08:10
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Fujitsu(sorry, I'm getting ready for my first job interview here, so my responses may be a little delayed)08:11
ChandyFujitsu, oh ..Good ..All the best08:12
FujitsuThanks :)08:12
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chillywillybah, my X is b0rked after upgrade....bah08:20
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Kagougood morning08:32
ChandyKagou, very good morning08:32
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imbrandonheya all09:57
ajmitchhey imbrandon09:59
imbrandonheya ajmitch09:59
imbrandonlooks like atleaste part of the new toolchain is ready10:00
imbrandonlooks like the repos will open far sooner that i expected10:00
ajmitchthat's expected10:02
imbrandonyea i dident figure it would be this fast though, i figured 2 weeks ( like edgy )10:02
imbrandonnot that its a bad thing, i already have a few uploads ready heh10:03
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dholbachgood morning10:06
Hobbseehey dholbach10:08
dholbachhey Sarah10:08
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imbrandonheya dholbach10:13
dholbachhiya imbrandon10:13
lifelessanjuta needs a rebuild for the vte transition10:16
dholbachlifeless: edgy-updates10:16
dholbachlifeless: aren't you a MOTU now too? :-)10:16
lifelessalso grip10:16
dholbachyoohoo :)10:16
ajmitchgreat, got another friend who'll get involved with development :)10:18
lifelessajmitch: sweet10:18
imbrandonajmitch, nice10:19
sivangmorning ajmitch , lifeless10:20
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CaleDoes anyone know whether a (potentially experimental) Ubuntu edgy package exists for Reiser 4 filesystem support?10:22
StevenKreiser4progs exists, even in Dapper.10:23
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imbrandonheya Fujitsu10:55
FujitsuHey imbrandon10:55
CaleStevenK: yes, that's not a kernel module though, is it?10:56
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crimsunthose are simply the userspace utils.11:00
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Calehmm, what the... Where is the source for the kernel in edgy? All I'm seeing packages for here is 2.4 kernels.11:07
thomapt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`11:07
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ChandyWhy gnome-desktop pacakge and some other pacakges are not available under universe section11:16
crimsunwhy would it need to be?11:17
crimsun(gnome-desktop is a source package in main)11:18
Chandycrimsun, I am working on building a distro ... I want to create a repo same as ubuntu...11:19
Chandycrimsun, So Iam bit confused ..How do I select which packages to be put under main seciton , and which under universe section11:19
Chandycrimsun, I found some packages are present in both main adn universe for eg: abiword11:20
Chandycrimsun, But some are present only in main like "gnome-desktop"11:20
crimsunChandy: err, abiword (both src and bin) are in main.11:21
crimsunChandy: the component is repo-side with overrides11:22
Chandycrimsun, I didnt get ..What is this repo-side with overrides11:22
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crimsunChandy: the archive admins maintain override lists that determine into which component(s) a source package (and its binaries) fall.11:24
Chandycrimsun, What are these overrides ..can I get an example11:24
crimsunI do not have access to them (afaik they're not public-facing)11:25
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Chandycrimsun, Can the same source and binaries be in both main and universe11:25
minghuathere are docs about overrides files11:25
Chandyminghua, Where do I get11:25
Chandycrimsun, then how can I maintain overrides11:26
crimsuncf. aforementioned docs11:26
crimsungranted I'm unaware what has been adjusted for soyuz (if anything)11:26
minghuaI think dpkg-scanpackages(1) man page discusses it11:27
rmjbHey guys, these people apparently have a packaging issue with courier-authdaemon and try as they might they can't get it installed properly on upgrade to edgy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=167035911:27
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rmjbcan someone help them out?11:27
Chandyminghua, ok11:27
FujitsuHm, another forum-as-bugtracker incident?11:27
FujitsuOr it is legitimate discussion?11:28
imbrandonFujitsu, most likely11:28
Chandyminghua, Do U know How to create packages file for different releases11:28
rmjblooks like just a dpkg installation issue, cause I can install the package fine11:28
ChandyFujitsu, hey ..What happened your interview11:28
FujitsuChandy: Went well :)11:28
ChandyFujitsu, thats good11:28
ChandyFujitsu, What are you doing now11:29
FujitsuChandy: looking at that forum link :P11:29
Fujitsurmjb: Not much use without knowing what version of stuff they've got..11:29
ChandyFujitsu, hey I didnt mean that ..I meant R U a student or working11:29
FujitsuChandy: A student.11:29
ChandyFujitsu, thats great11:30
ChandyFujitsu, Are u a MOTU11:30
FujitsuChandy: yup.11:30
rmjbFujitsu: oh... things like that will prevent them from uninstalling also?11:30
Fujitsurmjb: No. But knowing what version of the package they have will allow us to better confirm/deny it.11:31
ChandyFujitsu, I am a Debian , Ubuntu user and working on building a distro .. How do I become a Ubuntu developer11:31
crimsunrmjb: bug 6461511:32
UbugtuMalone bug 64615 in courier-authlib "apt-get broken after upgrade to edgy eft (courier-authdaemon package)" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6461511:32
ChandyFujitsu, crimsun was telling about maintaining overrides ..Do U have any idea abt taht11:32
FujitsuChandy: you must exhibit that you have sufficient skills and experience in the field of packaging, then become an Ubuntu Member, then a developer.11:32
FujitsuChandy: I have no idea, there might be some documentation on the Debian site.11:32
ChandyFujitsu, How do I do that11:32
ChandyFujitsu, ok11:33
Fujitsu(there will be no Ubuntu-specific documentation, as anything that's different is proprietary, so documentation of it is of little interest to people who aren't Launchpad developers.11:34
rmjbthanks crimsun, I'll refer the thread to that bug...11:34
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rmjbChandy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment11:37
rmjbI'm trying to work on becoming one too... haven't reached very far11:37
rmjbHi dholbach, you responded to my UVFe for dmraid, said it needed to go to SRU, do I need to add anything else to the bug report or reassign it? It wasn't clear on the SRU page since that seemed like the process for main11:38
dholbachrmjb: we don't have the process worked out yet11:39
rmjbOh and Chandy this might help as you go through the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms11:39
Fujitsudholbach: Hmm... It's post release...11:39
dholbachrmjb: however it would help to talk to sfllaw and/or get people testing the new dmraid11:39
FujitsuI've got a SRU that a lot of people are waiting for.11:40
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crimsuneh, I've got an SRU that people complained bitterly about and then proceeded to do NOTHING when the fix was made available in -proposed.11:40
crimsunI love wasting my time.11:40
rmjbSo I should direct sfllaw to the bug?11:41
rmjbI felt validated at the last bug comment for dmraid, someone said it worked beautifully on edgy :)11:41
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Chandyrmjb, thatnk you11:49
Chandyrmjb, thank you11:49
rmjbg'day all11:50
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ChandyAny command to create overrride file12:03
Chandycrimsun, I got the suntax of override file "Package Priority Section"12:04
Chandycrimsun, But How to specify the version of the pacakge to be taken into that release12:04
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Chandyoverride.breezy.universe.. is this type of oerrides files  manually created12:45
ChandyFujitsu, Do U have nay idea How to create this file override.breezy.universe.. Is this created manually12:46
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FujitsuChandy: No. Why are you dealing with Breezy?12:48
ChandyFujitsu, No , I just want to know How to carete overrides file and whats the use of that12:53
Chandycreate overrides file12:53
FujitsuChandy: None of us here are archive administrators, so it is likely that nobody here knows.12:54
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ChandyFujitsu, Then in which channel I can get taht info12:54
FujitsuChandy: None I know of.12:55
ChandyFujitsu, ok12:55
luisbgwhat steps should I follow to get a debian package suitable for ubuntu?12:56
FujitsuChandy: The format of the override file is a number of lines of form:12:57
Fujitsupackage priority section12:57
Fujitsuluisbg: In most cases nothing12:57
luisbgFujitsu, ok, let me try12:58
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Fujitsuluisbg: Although using a binary package is very inadvisable, it'd be advisable to rebuild it from the source package.12:58
luisbgFujitsu, that's what I'm going to try to do, if I have any problem I'll tell01:00
Fujitsuluisbg: OK :)01:00
luisbg=) thanks01:00
luisbgFujitsu, let's see if the dependencies match01:05
Fujitsuluisbg: It's unlikely, but possible.01:05
luisbgFujitsu, LOL01:06
luisbgusually is just matching up version numbers to the ubuntu ones? or is it more complex?01:06
FujitsuIt shouldn't need any manual modification.01:08
luisbgdon't understand01:09
luisbgshouldn't I modify the debian/control?01:09
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FujitsuMost packages have shlibs:Depends in the dependency field, which means it automatically calculates the necessary dependencies.01:10
FujitsuSo, no.01:10
luisbghmmm it seams it depends on a package not in ubuntu either...01:11
luisbggonna search for an easier to fix bug ;P01:14
luisbgbut will leave a comment of my discoveries in the bug report01:14
Fujitsuluisbg: Which package?01:15
Fujitsu(the missing, and the one you're building)01:15
luisbgthe bugreport is about gnuradio-examples, which misses the depending package gr-usrp (which is in debian contrib but not ubuntu)...01:16
luisbgbut then gr-usrp depends on python-usrp, which isn't in ubuntu either01:17
luisbgFujitsu, may I query you?01:18
Fujitsuluisbg: Sure.01:18
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lastnodeimbrandon, ping01:47
ArtVandalaeDoes anyone know what's going to happen with Anjuta (the C IDE), the one found in Edgy (2.0.2) is alpha. Is anyone going to remake a 1.2.4a version?01:49
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gnomefreakArtVandalae: nothing is going to happen for atleast 2 weeks and when it does its not likely going to be downgraded since its after release01:59
ChandyFujitsu, One doubt02:07
ChandyFujitsu, in universe section nail_11.25 version is available ..Which is not yet in main section02:07
ChandyFujitsu, this is the latewswt version in universe02:08
FujitsuChandy: The package is not in main if it's in universe.02:08
ChandyFujitsu, Suppose If this nail_11.25 pacakage needed and is moved to main ... Will that package will be still present in the main02:08
FujitsuIf it is moved to main, it will be in main.02:09
ChandyFujitsu, so it wont be in universe , even the source02:09
FujitsuChandy: Correct.02:09
ChandyFujitsu, I fount some packages source and some binaries are present in main ..and few other binaries of same package are present in universe ..02:10
lastnodenow that edgy is out the door, would a motu consider helping us with some packaging (python)?02:10
FujitsuChandy: Correct, some source packages produce binaries that are unsupported, so some of their binaries go in universe.02:11
Fujitsulastnode: Which application?02:11
lastnodeFujitsu, http://www.upstreamdev.org02:11
ChandyFujitsu, unsupported in the sense ..02:11
lastnodeFujitsu, we're nearing the release of 0.1.0 - Gtk/Qt frontends working etc.02:11
ChandyFujitsu, unsupported by Ubuntu team or Ubuntu02:11
Fujitsulastnode: This is upstream, is it?02:12
ChandyFujitsu, Offcial Ubuntu team wont give support for those binaries02:12
FujitsuChandy: Lacking commercial support from Canonical.02:12
lastnodeFujitsu, that's an ambigious question when you ask it like that. :P What do you mean?02:12
FujitsuChandy: They are community supported.02:13
ChandyFujitsu, How do they know they cannot support ..as it will be from the same source package02:13
Fujitsulastnode: Upstream as in the product.02:13
lastnodeFujitsu, yeah.02:13
FujitsuChandy: The binary is simply deemed not supported.02:13
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ChandyFujitsu, For exampole ..If I see acl package ... all libacl1 binaries are in main and acl binaries are in universe02:13
ChandyFujitsu, What is deemed02:14
FujitsuChandy: decided, or similar.02:14
ChandyFujitsu, ok02:14
ChandyFujitsu, How do they decide out of binaries of same package , some can come into main and some not02:15
lastnodeFujitsu, imbrandon said he'd try and demo Upstream at UDS Mountain View, and we're keen on gettng a .deb out the door by then. That's why I thought I'd ask in here. Didn't want to ask before since Edgy was shipping.02:15
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Fujitsulastnode: OK, that sounds like a good idea. Have you done any packaging before?02:15
lastnodeFujitsu, I'm afraid none at all. :02:15
lastnodeI've read the debian py policy, that's about it02:16
FujitsuChandy: It is basically at mdz's disgression at this time, AFAIK.02:16
Fujitsulastnode: OK, I'll have a look at it.02:16
ChandyFujitsu, mdz'z disgression , what is that02:17
Fujitsulastnode: (a really great project!)02:17
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FujitsuChandy: mdz is Matt Zimmerman, the chief technical person at Canonical. It is his decision as to what enters main, I believe.02:17
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thomi think he means discretion :-)02:18
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ChandyFujitsu, Oh..Then Can I contact him02:18
FujitsuChandy: Not advisable... Why would you want to?02:18
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Fujitsu[22:16:41]  <Fujitsu> Chandy: It is basically at mdz's disgression at this time, AFAIK.02:19
Fujitsu[22:16:53]  <Fujitsu> lastnode: OK, I'll have a look at it.02:19
Fujitsu[22:17:13]  <Chandy> Fujitsu, mdz'z disgression , what is that02:19
Fujitsu[22:17:19]  <Fujitsu> lastnode: (a really great project!)02:19
FujitsuThat's since your last message.02:19
Fujitsuthom: Same thing :P02:19
lastnodeFujitsu, thanks mate. We're in #upstream and #upstream-dev if you'd like to drop by sometime.02:20
Fujitsuthom: It's 2230 here, and I was up until after 0100 last night in #ubuntu; I'm tired :P02:20
Fujitsulastnode: I might drop around, yes.02:21
lastnodethanks a lot02:21
lastnodelaters then, sleep tight02:21
ChandyFujitsu, I want to know this , What strategy ,guidelines are followed to decide about packages02:21
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azeemChandy: there are established procedures for this, I believe they are documented02:21
FujitsuChandy: General upstream activity, and supportability. I'm not exactly sure of the strict guidelines; but as azeem said, they should be documented somewhere.02:22
azeemno need to mail the people unless you find the documentation lacking02:22
StevenKThe procedure is a Main Inclusion Report.02:22
StevenKWhich should be documented in the wiki.02:22
ChandyFujitsu, ok02:22
StevenKdholbach: Ping?02:23
Chandyazeem, Where can I find the doc02:23
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Fujitsucat /home/StevenK/headache > /dev/null02:24
StevenKThereby leaving the headache around.02:25
lastnoderm -rf /home/StevenK/headache02:26
StevenKlastnode: I think it's EPERM at the moment. :-/02:26
imbrandonrm -rf /home/StevenK02:27
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lastnodeimbrandon, hello! i just got Fujitsu interested in packaging upstream. we're having a chat in #upstream-dev about it if you wanna eavesdrop ;-)02:28
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imbrandonHobbsee / Fujitsu , feisty pbuilders setup on horatio ( not that they are any diffrent from edgy atm ) and all pbuilders setup to update every hour now automaticly02:39
FujitsuThanks imbrandon.02:39
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Hobbseeimbrandon: yay :)02:39
HobbseeStevenK: and to get more stuff for your mirror :P02:39
imbrandonStevenK, hehe i figured i would set it up now and ride the toolchange changes out02:40
StevenKI might add feisty{,-{updates,security}} tonight.02:40
imbrandonyea i added the feisty mirror, only 55 mb of changes so far02:40
imbrandonlibc and a kernel i think is it02:40
FujitsuStevenK: Oh yes, feisty{-updates,-security} are going to be soooo useful for the next 6 months.02:41
StevenKInteresting. Since feisty-changes is empty.02:41
jsgotangcohas it opened???02:41
zulnot really02:41
imbrandonjsgotangco, not for uploads but the dist is there02:41
StevenKjsgotangco: Apparently, it's in Pre-release freeze, according to Launchpad.02:41
jsgotangcoahh it must be some automated thing02:41
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TheMusoAre there any toolchain updates that need to be bootstrapped?02:55
zulmost likely02:56
zuli think thats what is happening now02:56
StevenKlibc 2.5 springs to mind, if we go for it.02:56
FujitsuStevenK: I believe it is happening.02:57
FujitsuStevenK: fabbione mentioned it earlier.02:58
Hobbseehey TheMuso02:58
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TheMusoHey Hobbsee.02:58
TheMusoHow goes it?02:58
imbrandonheya TheMuso02:59
Hobbseeit goes02:59
TheMusoHey imbrandon02:59
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TheMusoHey StevenK.02:59
StevenKTheMuso: Got an ISO yet? :-P02:59
TheMusoStevenK: Yeah.02:59
dholbachStevenK: PONG02:59
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TheMusoJust finished fetching server isos not long ago.02:59
StevenKdholbach: Ah. Apparently, we MOTU are going to have a meeting after Edgy is out, correct?02:59
dholbachwe should :)03:00
dholbachsomebody shold propose time and date to the list03:00
StevenKdholbach: Ah. I was only curious if you'd thought about it, is all.03:01
dholbachI didn't think about it in the last days... too much other things happening :/03:01
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Hobbseedholbach: do we have an agenda so far?  build machines, woudl be one thing to discuss03:02
StevenKWhat Canonical needs to do, is make sure each MOTU has at least 4 of the six architecture machines. :-P03:02
Hobbseesounds good to me03:03
Hobbseeand all worth building on03:03
Hobbseeit must be time for canonical to sponsor some more laptops, too :P03:03
zulwhat they havent done that for you? ;)03:03
bhaleik joined the laptop testing team to try to get amd64 or ppc03:04
bhalebut there were none of either, and they left me on anyway03:04
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% uname -m03:04
StevenKbhale: ^03:04
bhalewell i have one now, in any case03:04
StevenKHeh, nice.03:04
Hobbseezul: nope.  i came in far too late for that.03:04
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bhalegot a core2 duo recently03:05
bhaleits running 32-bit for now03:05
StevenKWhat a waste. :-P03:05
bhalei was having major stability problems on 6403:05
StevenKHow so?03:05
StevenKMy amd64 is rock solid.03:05
bhalelike pluging/unplugging the power cable would hang the whole box03:05
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bhaleplus general flakiness03:06
StevenKUnder-rated PSU?03:06
bhalebeats me?03:06
bhaleworks fantastically on 3203:06
bhaleI call it a bug03:06
StevenKbhale: If you can, try a higher wattage PSU in 64 bit03:06
bhaledid you miss the part where this was a laptop03:07
StevenKYou didn't say that...03:07
bhaleunsure why i would hotplug my PSU on a desktop, anyway03:07
StevenKDear me.03:07
bhaleI thought that was one clue03:07
StevenKYeah, well.03:07
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Fujitsubhale: I was thinking that, yes... Hotplugging such things isn't exactly a good idea :P03:07
Fujitsu(and would be bound to cause a crash)03:07
StevenKbhale: I have had about four hours sleep, and I've been working all day.03:08
bhalemy condolences03:08
StevenKYeah, well.03:08
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StevenKHopefully, I don't sleep in until 3pm03:08
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StevenKimbrandon: Ping?03:09
StevenKimbrandon: You had some image for Feisty, like Bambi?03:11
StevenKimbrandon: I wanted to point my mother in law at it.03:11
imbrandonheh ok , lemme find where i stuck it03:11
bhalewe used to have naked women03:12
bhalenow we have... bambi03:12
StevenKBambi is the name of a porn star, so you could add the two.03:13
bhaleimbrandon: slap an ubuntu logo on here and lets go03:13
imbrandona tattoo03:13
imbrandonjoin #canonical-sysadmin03:17
StevenKimbrandon: You're looking to become one? :-P03:18
imbrandonhaha no, just had to message one03:19
imbrandoni dont think they would let me :) ( although it would be nice )03:19
zulimbrandon: you look so happy in the eric jpg03:19
imbrandonzul, the one with them both on my lap?03:19
imbrandonyea let me tell you how happy i was to have two whingey kids on my lap heheh03:20
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bddebianHeya gang03:24
imbrandonheya bddebian03:25
bddebianHeya imbrandon03:26
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AnAntbddebian: hide03:50
AnAntwhat will the new version of Ubuntu be called ?03:50
snowblinkfiesty fawn03:50
lophytefeisty fawn03:50
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joejaxxanyone around that whould like to help me decipher a strace log?05:57
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superm1Could anyone point me to the process that is followed during Live CD building, so as if I wanted to patch some things in the build process for such a disk, I could?06:19
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geserjoejaxx: for which program?06:26
joejaxxgeser: at06:26
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joejaxxgeser: for some reason the daemon will not start in a chroot environment06:26
joejaxxworks in dapper06:27
joejaxxnot in edgy06:27
geserhave you an url to the strace log?06:27
joejaxxyes i do06:27
geserI don't see anything in the strace log that would explain it06:32
gesercan you strace /usr/sbin/atd directly?06:32
joejaxxyes sure06:34
joejaxxlet me do that06:34
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geserjoejaxx: I'm wondering about line 0: "Invalid process id" and why is /sbin/start executed (line 1) and not /usr/sbin/atd06:43
joejaxxgeser: i do not know06:43
joejaxxgeser: it tries to start the daemon when you install the package06:44
joejaxxand that is what happens06:44
thomjoejaxx: uh, how did you run strace?06:45
thomcos that looks awfully like the results of an "strace -p /etc/init.d/atd start"06:46
thomi think you meant strace -f06:46
joejaxxstrace -Ff -tt -p /usr/sbin/atd start 2>&1 | tee strace-atd-sbin.log06:46
thomyeah, thought so06:46
thom-p takes a PID06:47
geser-p is for an already running process06:47
joejaxxyeah sorry about that06:47
joejaxxi forgot to take it out06:47
thomand you don't want to do that anyway, since you'll get a tonne of shell and s-s-d spam06:47
thomsyslog's not running or your /dev is screwed06:49
joejaxxthom: this is a chroot'd debstrap environment06:49
thomthat's nice06:49
thom16:47:45.304727 connect(0, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)06:50
thommeans that it's trying to connect to syslog and failing06:50
thomso, either start syslog in the chroot, or modify your syslog configs to create a /dev/log in the chroot when your main syslog starts06:50
joejaxxwhy does installing that package work on dapper debstrap and not edgy?06:51
joejaxxi do not get any of those errors on dapper06:51
thommaybe dapper atd doesn't syslog. maybe your install is different. i dunno06:51
thomanyway, man syslogd and modify /etc/default/syslogd accordingly06:52
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luisbgis there a way to delete a comment in the launchpad bug tracker? I just made the comment in the wrong bug report07:21
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fbondluisbg, no way to delete, I think; just add another comment "Disregard last comment"07:39
luisbgfbond, ok thanks07:40
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superm1in reading the licensing section http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing, certain firmware can be included on a case-by-case basis.  who should I talk to about getting firmware included?07:41
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zulas in drivers?07:43
superm1well firmware for drivers07:43
zulopen a bug in launchpad assign it to linux-source-2.6.1707:43
superm1well the drivers are in universe already though (ivtv), so the firmware would probably also go into universe07:44
superm1still assign it to linux-source-2.6.17 then?07:44
zuli believe so07:45
zulyou might want assign it to ivtv though07:45
superm1should i subscribe anyone in particular?07:45
zuldont think so07:46
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luisbgI'm looking at a package that in debian/control asks for libopenbabel-dev, but when trying to apt install it says it can't because it depends on libopenbabel0c2a, it's confusing me08:12
luisbgooh the package is libgchemutils0c2a08:12
geserluisbg: you need to rebuild libgchemutils against libopenbabel108:19
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geserlibopenbabel0c2a got replaced with libopenbabel108:22
geseryou need to rebuild it to get the new lib (if it works with the new version)08:22
luisbgok, doing so08:23
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FloolaHi, I'm a newby so forgive my ignorance. Is there an easy way to build a package and submit it to repositories?08:33
FloolaOr should I ask, what's the easiest way to do it.08:33
superm1Floola, have you read the packaging guide?08:33
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU08:33
luisbgFloola, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html08:33
luisbgFloola, is the package from source code or from a debian package?08:34
superm1man everyone here is quick to the draw to get that info out.  i couldn't even google before luisbg posted :)08:34
FloolaIt's a binary app08:34
Floolanot from source08:34
luisbgsuperm1, it's because since I'm a newbie too... I have the guide open in firefox all the time08:34
luisbgFloola, never packaged binary apps, I'm a newbie too...sorry I can't help08:35
luisbgand I don't recall reading about that in the packaging guide08:35
luisbgwhich binary app?08:35
Floolait's an iPod manager.08:36
Floolaas it's working quite good I thought it would be nice to add it to repositories.08:36
luisbgwhich license does it have?08:37
Flooladon't know if this is an issue.08:39
luisbgwhat is the ubuntu policy about freeware?08:39
luisbgI think it is permitted08:39
Floolaanyway it seems to be quite time consuming to create a package.08:39
luisbgif you don't have some experience it is08:39
luisbgbut you can do one thing08:39
Burgworkluisbg: as long as we can freely redistribute it, it can go in multiverse08:39
Floolayep, it's freely redistributable.08:40
luisbgsend an email message to the programmers of floola, asking them if you can have a copy of the source code to make a package for ubuntu08:40
luisbgif they say yes, drop me a line08:40
Burgworkluisbg: you can pakcage binaries as well08:40
FloolaI'm floola's dev. ;-)08:40
luisbgBurgwork, but wouldn't they be less efficient?08:41
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Burgworkyep, but that is ok08:41
luisbgFloola, oooh, but you don't want people to be able to apt-get source the package08:41
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luisbgBurgwork, can you point us where to read about packaging binaries?08:41
luisbgFloola, I can be your package maintainer if you don't want to spend the time learning to package08:41
Burgworkluisbg: not hard08:42
BurgworkFloola: is there some reason why your app is not open source?08:42
FloolaI just would like people to be able to install floola from synaptic and it would also be nice if the application would be automatically added to the application menu.08:42
Floolayes, different reasons.08:42
Burgworkok, no worries08:42
Burgworkso take you binary tarball and do things to that08:42
Burgworkyou don't need source08:42
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Floolawhat you mean with "do things to that"?08:43
luisbgBurgwork, LOL, sure, but I'm curious to know which things to do to the binary08:43
Burgworknot a MOTU, so no idea the specifics08:44
luisbgFloola, the application menu thing is a gnome thing... you can make your binary do that independently of being a ubuntu package08:44
Floolaehm, sorry I didn't meant the taskbar (or whatever it is called). I mean the application (Accessories, Games, Graphics...)08:45
Burgworkyep, that isn't hard08:45
luisbgFloola, I meant the same as you08:46
sladen.desktop file08:46
luisbgsladen, where is that file?08:48
luisbgooh cool08:49
luisbgso he should make the binary so it moves a floola.desktop file to /usr/share/applications08:50
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FloolaI guess this is a package stuff08:51
sladenluisbg: just stick it in the tarball;  but preferably package it aswell so that it's nicely uninstallable08:51
luisbgsladen, I see08:52
luisbggotta go08:57
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zulhey ajmitch09:18
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CaleHas sistpoty been around?10:49
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sistpotyhi folks and congrats to edgy release!10:51
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Calesistpoty: hello10:53
sistpotyhi Cale10:53
Calesistpoty: Is there a GHC 6.6 package in the works?10:53
sistpotyCale: ghc6.6 should be in unstable already, so it will get merged for feisty, once merging will begin10:53
CaleWill I be able to use that package from edgy, or will I have to upgrade to feisty?10:54
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bhaleyou can backport it.10:54
sistpotyCale: that depends...10:55
Calenot until I get a new powersupply which can withstand hours of 100% cpu usage without overheating :)10:55
sistpotyCale: if gcc and friends don't change too much, you might be able to use it... however since all haskell libraries have a hard dependency on ghc6 with the right upstream version, you would need to rebuild them as well, if you plan to use them10:57
CaleIt would be nice to get a backport ;)10:57
CaleGHC 6.6 has a whole slew of new libraries10:57
sistpotyCale: exactly this dependency of all existing libraries make a backport very unlikely...10:58
CaleI mean, Haskell libraries, (in fptools)10:58
CaleI don't think the dependencies have changed too much10:58
CaleBy hacking the deb, installing the experimental GHC 6.6 on dapper worked10:59
CaleSince the only thing which it complained about was the patchlevel version of libc611:00
Cale(chopping off the part after the - resulted in something which ran fine)11:01
sistpotyCale: it might work to force install it... but for a proper backport all existing libraries would need to be rebuild, which makes an official backport unlikely11:01
sistpoty(only way I could imaging was to make ghc6.6 a new sourcepackage to not break the libs, but such a case for backports was unprecedenced till now *g*)11:02
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jbaileyAnyone know off hand if CDDL apps can go into universe?11:17
crimsunjbailey: I don't know offhand, but FSF classifies it as a Free but GPL-incompatible one11:19
jbaileyAh, thanks.11:19
rmjbjbailey: asking for java?11:20
jbaileyrmjb: glassfish, actually. =)11:21
sistpotyjbailey: according to http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components universe is open source + "software available under a variety of less open licences", so why not... though I personally always thought that universe licensing would mean the same as main11:22
plugwashjbailey just make sure its not linking with any gpli stuff11:22
rmjbsun said java will most likely be open sourced under cddl soon, was announced this week a OracleWorld11:23
azeemthe cddl is a grey area in Debian to the choice of venue clause or whatever it is11:23
plugwashsun have been saying they will opensource java for a *LONG* time, personally i'll belive it what it actually happens11:23
crimsunsistpoty: yes, that's my hunch, too, since apache2 is also under a GPL-incompatible one.11:23
azeemi.e. they set the jurisdication to california11:23
Admiral_Chicagoplugwash: i saw a video about it happening in 9411:24
Admiral_Chicagoiirc the date11:24
azeemplugwash: this time they said "this year" afaik11:24
azeembefore they said "in the future"11:24
Admiral_Chicagomid 90s for sure11:24
sistpotycrimsun: but apache2 is considered dfsg-free, isn't it?11:24
azeemsistpoty: of course11:24
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crimsunit has to be ... to be in main :)11:25
plugwashthere is loads of non gpl compatible stuff in debian and ubuntu11:25
sistpotyyay, and that's the point, I'm not sure if cddl is dfsg-free (iirc it isn't)11:26
plugwashiirc the old apache license has something similar to the "abnoxious bsd advertising clause"11:26
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jbaileyHeya Andrew.11:59
sistpotyhey ajmitch12:01
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sistpotyhi Lutin_12:12

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