[12:11] <Amaranth> night imbrandon_
[12:12] <fbond> dpkg-buildpackage doesn't care about launchpad
[12:12] <luisbg> fbond, I know... just stating the point I have a gpg key associated with my email
[12:12] <LaserJock> luisbg: try using -k<gpgkeyid> with debuild
[12:12] <imbrandon_> Amaranth: the old site had less than 200 images and i load tested it with over 5000 so i think it will be fine
[12:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: how nasty & ugly are the hacks?
[12:12] <luisbg> LaserJock, did and no difference
[12:12] <LaserJock> luisbg: something's wrong then
[12:12] <imbrandon_> ajmitch: pretty clean actualy ( cept one to disable the java crap )
[12:12] <fbond> Are you able to sign anything with gpg explicitly?
[12:13] <fbond> luisbg, do this: touch nothing; gpg -b nothing
[12:13] <superm1> make sure that your name and email both match exactly what they are supposed to for the gpg key.  so if your Joe Shmow, make sure its not signing Joe S.
[12:13] <superm1> (in the changelog)
[12:14] <luisbg> fbond, a nothing.sig is created with my signature
[12:14] <ajmitch> signing doesn't matter for when you're making a debdiff, though
[12:14] <luisbg> superm1, doublechecked a possible spelling error
[12:15] <luisbg> it's my name... after the million times I have written it... hard to mispell
[12:16] <fbond> luisbg, not sure why dpkg-buildpackage is failing to sign ...
[12:17] <imbrandon_> [17:12]  <imbrandon_> Amaranth: the old site had less than 200 images and i load tested it with over 5000 so i think it will be fine
[12:17] <luisbg> fbond, I'm as confused
[12:17] <luisbg> thanks for the help anyway
[12:17] <Amaranth> imbrandon_: Yeah, I saw.
[12:18] <imbrandon_> kk
[12:18] <Amaranth> imbrandon_: I was only using an alpha of it but I remember it falling over when I got 10,000 or so loaded into it
[12:18] <imbrandon_> gallery1 yea becouse its file based
[12:18] <imbrandon_> not galler2
[12:18] <Amaranth> I had to give it insane amounts of RAM to keep going when I had more than a few people
[12:18] <Amaranth> no no, it was g2
[12:19] <Amaranth> it wasn't even really 'alpha' they just didn't want to commit to the plugin API yet
[12:19] <imbrandon_> welp i guess we'll see, if nothing else i'll do some home grown python/php
[12:22] <LaserJock> anybody know how to convert a mbox to courier?
[12:23] <imbrandon_> courier can use mbox format iirc, but there are ways to convert mbox to maildir
[12:24] <LaserJock> hmm, I found a mbox2maildir
[12:24] <imbrandon_> keep a backup :)
[12:24] <imbrandon_> but sounds promising
[12:24] <LaserJock> yes, well the server already fried
[12:25] <LaserJock> so I've grabbed some backups first thing
[12:25] <imbrandon_> :P
[12:25] <LaserJock> it must have been really something, took 3 days to get email back up
[12:26] <imbrandon_> wow
[12:26] <imbrandon_> where at ?
[12:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: my department at the uni
[12:27] <imbrandon_> !?!
[12:27] <imbrandon_> why did a bot just op up?
[12:27] <ajmitch> automagic scripts?
[12:28] <imbrandon_> heh next q i guess is why its on the access list heh
[12:28] <LaserJock> it's not
[12:28] <ajmitch> why the chanserv settings haven't been changed, I don't know
[12:28] <LaserJock> anybody can get op
[12:28] <ajmitch> because they're completely broken for here
[12:28] <imbrandon_> ahh
[12:29] <imbrandon_> man i should be waking up right now and i cant sleep
[12:29] <imbrandon_> too much caffeine i think
[01:41] <luisbg> so where can one get himself a nice ubuntu t-shirt?
[01:43] <plugwash> !google ubuntu tee shirt
[01:44] <Yagisan> Results for: ubuntu tee shirt
[01:44] <Yagisan> I cant find a result for that, sorry
[01:44] <plugwash> try http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop ?
[01:48] <luisbg> yeah... cafepress
[01:48] <luisbg> some interesting stuff
[01:48] <luisbg> how much is the shipping to europe though?
[01:49] <plugwash> no idea
[01:51] <plugwash> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/shipping.aspx
[02:14] <luisbg> wow $7
[02:14] <luisbg> would have to buy a few stuff at once to make it worth it
[02:16] <luisbg> I believe free software projects should give a t-shirt or similar of their project as a present to people who contribute significantly
[02:16] <luisbg> would make the contributors wear proud their gifts
[02:17] <luisbg> and have more people interested in spending some time contributing
[02:25] <LaserJock> yikes
[02:26] <LaserJock> I just did a du -sh in ~/ on the department server. I got 3.3 GB
[02:26] <ajmitch> yikes?
[02:26] <ajmitch> that's nothing
[02:28] <LaserJock> it seem like way too much to me
[02:29] <LaserJock> 422MB in mail
[02:30] <ajmitch> pfft
[02:30] <ajmitch>  du -sh ~/Mail
[02:30] <ajmitch> 9.4G    /home/ajmitch/Mail
[02:30] <ajmitch> there are some lists you should never subscribe to :)
[02:30] <jsgotangco> crack fiend
[02:31] <LaserJock> jeeze
[02:31] <ajmitch> -rw-------   1 ajmitch ajmitch  1.1G 2006-10-18 18:15 sparc-rebuild
[02:31] <LaserJock> I don't even have that much total
[02:31] <ajmitch> lots of spam from fabbione
[02:31] <LaserJock> heh
[02:31] <ajmitch> next highest is the ubuntu-bugs stuff with 821MB
[02:32] <crimsun> luisbg: some projects have some monetary compensation, but that's not what drives community involvement in Ubuntu [at least not that I can see] 
[02:43] <luisbg> crimsun, it shouldn't be the objective (to get compensation), but it doesn't harm =)
[02:43] <luisbg> anyway I prefer the friendliness of the community over anything else
[02:43] <luisbg> that's why I'm happy with ubuntu
[02:45] <luisbg> well... going to sleep
[02:45] <luisbg> ciao all!
[02:45] <crimsun> bye
[02:45] <fbond> good night, luisbg
[02:45] <luisbg> fbond, =)
[02:56] <crimsun> zsh-beta sure is nice after a spell with dash as my shell.
[02:59] <ajmitch> I've never really used zsh
[02:59] <ajmitch> what's special about it?
[03:01] <crimsun> no idea; I've mostly used bash.
[03:02] <crimsun> iirc zsh had intelligent tab-completion before bash gained it
[03:03] <jelmer> yeah, it's still ahead in some points
[03:03] <jelmer> also, it has proper vi keybinding support :-)
[03:06] <fbond> jelmer, what's improper about bash's vi key support?
[03:06] <jelmer> fbond: I hated it when I tried it, but that's more than 5 years ago so I can't really give you anything specific, sorry
[03:07] <jelmer> I'm not even sure those issues are still there
[03:07] <fbond> hmm, it's all readline, I think
[03:08] <jelmer> I'm pretty sure zsh doesn't use the default readline stuff for the vi keybindings
[03:16] <LaserJock> I tried zsh a while ago, it was really slick
[03:17] <jelmer> there's a couple of small things that are really nice
[03:18] <jelmer> such as suggesting host and usernames when tabcompleting ssh commands, remote filename completion for rsync/scp, svn completion makes sense ("svn add" only suggests unversioned files), etc
[03:19] <crimsun> there's also a really slick zsh-newuser-install() that walks you through creating a new ~/.zshrc (with explanations)
[03:20] <fbond> yeah, I was tempted to learn zsh, but then ... I ran it, and something was really different (don't remember what) and I ran away, scared.
[03:21] <minghua> I think bash's tab completion can do pretty much everything jelmer mentioned
[03:21] <fbond> I think the .zshrc looked nothing like bash's, and I couldn't even set my damn path right, or something
[03:21] <crimsun> never fear, "Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-beta2-b86)" is far more menacing ;-)
[03:21] <fbond> oy, I tried getting tomcat to play nice with apache once
[03:21] <fbond> that was a waste of 6 hours
[03:22] <fbond> I don't even know Java... wish people would stop writing programs with it.
[03:26] <jelmer> minghua: I haven't tried bash recently so I may be biased
[03:27] <minghua> jelmer: I am sure completing ssh hostname and scp filename (assume you use ssh key authentication) works
[03:28] <minghua> jelmer: I never tried rsync, and didn't really notice svn commands completion
[03:28] <minghua> but yes, I heard some people swear by zsh
[03:28] <minghua> bash is more than enough for me, though :-)
[03:50] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:50] <Lathiat> i feel guilty marking bugs 'rejected'
[03:50] <Lathiat> it feels harsh
[03:50] <Lathiat> i cant help but think 'NOTABUG' is better ;p
[03:50] <crimsun> you'll get over that quickly.
[03:51] <Pierre> Lathiat: come in php, we use "Bogus" there, not really a good replacement :P
[03:52] <Lathiat> heh
[03:52] <Lathiat> crimsun: well i just feel as an end user if i saw 'Rejected' vs 'Notabug' i'd be slightly more offended ;p
[03:52] <crimsun> I normally attach an explanation in addition to the Status adjustment.
[03:53] <Lathiat> oh sure, but still
[03:57] <rmjb> so what's needed now is a bunch of bug triaging?
[03:57] <Lathiat> yeh the bugs are goign to come in en masse
[03:58] <rmjb> okay I'll hope over to #ubuntu-bugs
[03:58] <minghua> I suppose universe bugs are going to come a bit later
[03:58] <minghua> the first wave should be installer bugs :-)
[03:59] <rmjb> I tried to help with a few in the forums earlier... a lil tricky on the update process
[03:59] <rmjb> but I hope I helped
[04:02] <rmjb> Here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates it says SRUs must be approved by Matt Zimmerman or Colin Watson
[04:02] <rmjb> that also applies for MOTU?
[04:02] <ajmitch> not yet
[04:03] <ajmitch> we've yet to agree on an update procedure for universe
[04:03] <rmjb> ok
[04:04] <Plug> which of those things did GNOME 2.14.1 slip into dapper under?
[04:04] <ajmitch> pre-agreed update
[04:04] <ajmitch> & each package was reviewed, iirc
[04:11] <Lathiat> hrm the update-mananger doesnt use $country.archive
[04:17] <Lathiat> awesome i broke the update manager
[04:17] <Lathiat> i killed it after it started to download the new pckages so i could use ab etter mirror and now every time i hit upgrade it just barfs out ;p
[04:27] <Lathiat> haha " Why did you Reject this problem I'm having so quickly?"
[04:27] <Lathiat> i was right
[04:27] <Lathiat> heh
[04:30] <minghua> Lathiat: "why do you say it's not a bug so quickly?  I have it right here!" sounds better? :-)
[04:31] <LaserJock> Lathiat: which bug?
[04:33] <Lathiat> LaserJock: in an email personally
[04:33] <LaserJock> really?
[04:36] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:36] <Lathiat> 'sok he wasnt being nasty or anythign i just explained the situation to him ;p
[04:40] <joejaxx> LaserJock: do you know why the at package does not configure correctly when in a chroot debstrap environment in edgy?
[04:40] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i had proc and sysfs mounted and i had home and lc_all exported correctly
[04:41] <joejaxx> LaserJock: it says /etc/init.d/atd start failed
[04:42] <LaserJock> I don't know
[04:42] <joejaxx> LaserJock: the funny thing is it happens on edgy only and not on dapper
[04:43] <joejaxx> maybe there is something new you have to do on edgy in the chrooted environment? otherwise the edgy images whould fail to build
[04:43] <joejaxx> since the at packages is in ubuntu-standard
[04:44] <minghua> joejaxx: add "set -x" at the top of /etc/init.d/atd and you'll see exactly where it failed
[04:44] <joejaxx> minghua: alright let me do that
[04:48] <joejaxx> package*
[04:52] <rmjb> g'night all, got an early morning
[05:02] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: welcome back :)
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Hi, my X server had an argument with an XDMCP server over wireless... :S
[05:15] <joejaxx> minghua: i just set -x
[05:16] <joejaxx> minghua: + /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --nicelevel 0 --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/atd --oknodo --pidfile /dev/null --
[05:16] <joejaxx> invoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed.
[05:18] <joejaxx> i wonder why this is happening
[05:18] <minghua> joejaxx: no error messages?
[05:19] <joejaxx> minghua: i do not see any
[05:19] <joejaxx> that is the last line from set x before it displays what it normal displays
[05:20] <minghua> joejaxx: I feel reporting a bug is the best bet
[05:20] <joejaxx> minghua: i am just wondering how you all built the edgy images
[05:20] <joejaxx> without running into this problem
[05:20] <minghua> joejaxx: I don't know enough about init.d scripts.
[05:21] <joejaxx> oh alright
[05:21] <minghua> joejaxx: well, I don't remember installing atd in my chroot in the first place
[05:21] <joejaxx> minghua: well i am building livecds
[05:21] <joejaxx> and it needs the ubuntu-standard package
[05:21] <joejaxx> and it stops on that package
[05:21] <joejaxx> :)
[05:21] <minghua> I see
[05:22] <minghua> Ask other people who build live CD then :-)
[05:23] <joejaxx> minghua: too bad that package is not an uneeded one
[05:25] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I haven't seen anything about that
[05:25] <joejaxx> LaserJock: oh
[05:25] <joejaxx> :(
[05:26] <joejaxx> LaserJock: maybe it is the way i am mounting proc and sysfs?
[05:26] <joejaxx> mount -t proc none /proc && mount -t sysfs none /sys
[05:26] <joejaxx> anything look wrong with that?
[05:27] <minghua> you are mounting in the chroot?
[05:27] <joejaxx> yes
[05:27] <minghua> no idea then.  I always mount from outside of the chroot
[05:28] <minghua> for proc, that is
[05:28] <joejaxx> minghua: maybe i should try that
[05:28] <joejaxx> how do you do that?
[05:28] <joejaxx> mount -t proc  none /edgy-test/edit/proc?
[05:29] <joejaxx> i have always done it from inside the chroot
[05:29] <joejaxx> so i do not know how that works outside of it
[05:29] <minghua> joejaxx: yeah, something like that
[05:29] <joejaxx> minghua: oh ok
[05:29] <joejaxx> let me try that
[05:29] <minghua> although I usually use a different name than "none"
[05:30] <joejaxx> minghua: should i just use proc?
[05:30] <joejaxx> proc proc /path to /proc
[05:31] <joejaxx> oh nevermind that whould not work
[05:34] <joejaxx> hmm mounting outside of chroot does not work either
[05:37] <joejaxx> hello Burgwork
[05:38] <joejaxx> minghua: so you think i should still fill out that bug even though edgy images are operational?
[05:44] <minghua> joejaxx: what do you mean by "image"?
[05:44] <minghua> joejaxx: I thought your problem is "atd can't be installed in chroot"?
[05:45] <joejaxx> it cannot be install in chroot
[05:45] <joejaxx> but it cannot be the package itself as the edgy livecd's are built from scratch
[05:46] <joejaxx> so it has to be something i am missing or something has changed from dapper that i do not know about
[05:46] <joejaxx> because it installs fine in dapper
[05:46] <minghua> oh, you are thinking maybe the problem is your own system
[05:46] <joejaxx> minghua: i have tried it on multiple systems
[05:46] <minghua> use your judgement then
[05:47] <joejaxx> minghua: so there is something new with edgy that i do not know about that deals with chrooting
[05:47] <joejaxx> minghua: oh ok
[05:47] <minghua> I don't think it hurts anything if I report a bug and gets rejected because of my own stupidity, but that's just my opinion
[05:48] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:54] <Chandy> Hi
[07:54] <Fujitsu> Hi Chandy.
[07:55] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Can I know on What basis Packages will be moved from universe to main section
[07:56] <Fujitsu> Chandy: If they are deemed necessary, and then only if they are able to be well supported, stable, etc... There are no strict guidelines, AFAIK.
[07:56] <Chandy> Fujitsu, I found only some 4036 packages in main and 13000+ in universe
[07:56] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Packages in main are officially supported by Canonical. universe is maintained by the community.
[07:56] <Chandy> Fujitsu, What is theat AFAIK
[07:57] <Fujitsu> `As far as I know'
[07:57] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Canonical means what .. If that a team of Ubuntu developers
[07:58] <Chandy> Fujitsu, How do I careate index file "Pacakges" for breezy
[07:58] <Fujitsu> It is the corporate entity that supplies the capital for Ubuntu, and hires some developers to work on Ubuntu and related products.
[07:58] <Chandy> Fujitsu, If I see Ubuntu pool .. It contains packages for all its release under same pool
[07:58] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Why do you want to create such a file?
[07:58] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Of course.
[07:59] <Chandy> Fujitsu, No, I just want to know , How we can differentiate pacakges between breezy,dapper and edgy from the same pool
[08:00] <Chandy> Fujitsu, I am bit confused in moving packages from universe to main
[08:00] <Chandy> Fujitsu, I can see Abiword in both main and universe section of pool
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Chandy: You can only differentiate between releases by the versions of the packages.
[08:01] <Chandy> Fujitsu, ok..Now I have differenet versions of packages in the same pool
[08:01] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Chances are that Abiword was originally in universe, but was moved into main a while ago... So the packages from the previous release will be in universe.
[08:02] <Chandy> Fujitsu, If I want to create packages file for breezy , then it should take lower version pacakges .. "If I use dpkg-scanpackages" It takes higer version .. How do I do that
[08:05] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Once it is moved to main section ..wont it be removed from universe
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Chandy: It will remain in universe in the old releases.
[08:11] <Fujitsu> (sorry, I'm getting ready for my first job interview here, so my responses may be a little delayed)
[08:12] <Chandy> Fujitsu, oh ..Good ..All the best
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[08:20] <chillywilly> bah, my X is b0rked after upgrade....bah
[08:32] <Kagou> good morning
[08:32] <Chandy> Kagou, very good morning
[09:57] <imbrandon> heya all
[09:59] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[09:59] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[10:00] <imbrandon> looks like atleaste part of the new toolchain is ready
[10:00] <imbrandon> woot
[10:00] <imbrandon> looks like the repos will open far sooner that i expected
[10:02] <ajmitch> that's expected
[10:02] <imbrandon> yea i dident figure it would be this fast though, i figured 2 weeks ( like edgy )
[10:03] <imbrandon> not that its a bad thing, i already have a few uploads ready heh
[10:06] <dholbach> good morning
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[10:08] <dholbach> hey Sarah
[10:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:12] <ChaosFan> sh
[10:13] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[10:13] <dholbach> hiya imbrandon
[10:16] <lifeless> anjuta needs a rebuild for the vte transition
[10:16] <dholbach> lifeless: edgy-updates
[10:16] <dholbach> lifeless: aren't you a MOTU now too? :-)
[10:16] <lifeless> yup
[10:16] <lifeless> also grip
[10:16] <dholbach> yoohoo :)
[10:17] <lifeless> :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> great, got another friend who'll get involved with development :)
[10:18] <lifeless> ajmitch: sweet
[10:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nice
[10:20] <sivang> morning ajmitch , lifeless
[10:22] <Cale> Does anyone know whether a (potentially experimental) Ubuntu edgy package exists for Reiser 4 filesystem support?
[10:23] <StevenK> reiser4progs exists, even in Dapper.
[10:55] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Hey imbrandon
[10:56] <Cale> StevenK: yes, that's not a kernel module though, is it?
[11:00] <crimsun> those are simply the userspace utils.
[11:07] <Cale> hmm, what the... Where is the source for the kernel in edgy? All I'm seeing packages for here is 2.4 kernels.
[11:07] <crimsun> linux-source-2.6.17
[11:07] <thom> apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`
[11:08] <Cale> aha
[11:08] <Cale> thanks
[11:16] <Chandy> Why gnome-desktop pacakge and some other pacakges are not available under universe section
[11:17] <crimsun> why would it need to be?
[11:18] <crimsun> (gnome-desktop is a source package in main)
[11:19] <Chandy> crimsun, I am working on building a distro ... I want to create a repo same as ubuntu...
[11:19] <Chandy> crimsun, So Iam bit confused ..How do I select which packages to be put under main seciton , and which under universe section
[11:20] <Chandy> crimsun, I found some packages are present in both main adn universe for eg: abiword
[11:20] <Chandy> crimsun, But some are present only in main like "gnome-desktop"
[11:21] <crimsun> Chandy: err, abiword (both src and bin) are in main.
[11:22] <crimsun> Chandy: the component is repo-side with overrides
[11:22] <Chandy> crimsun, I didnt get ..What is this repo-side with overrides
[11:24] <crimsun> Chandy: the archive admins maintain override lists that determine into which component(s) a source package (and its binaries) fall.
[11:24] <Chandy> crimsun, What are these overrides ..can I get an example
[11:25] <crimsun> I do not have access to them (afaik they're not public-facing)
[11:25] <Chandy> crimsun, Can the same source and binaries be in both main and universe
[11:25] <minghua> there are docs about overrides files
[11:25] <Chandy> minghua, Where do I get
[11:26] <Chandy> crimsun, then how can I maintain overrides
[11:26] <crimsun> cf. aforementioned docs
[11:26] <crimsun> granted I'm unaware what has been adjusted for soyuz (if anything)
[11:27] <minghua> I think dpkg-scanpackages(1) man page discusses it
[11:27] <rmjb> Hey guys, these people apparently have a packaging issue with courier-authdaemon and try as they might they can't get it installed properly on upgrade to edgy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1670359
[11:27] <rmjb> can someone help them out?
[11:27] <Chandy> minghua, ok
[11:27] <Fujitsu> Hm, another forum-as-bugtracker incident?
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Or it is legitimate discussion?
[11:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, most likely
[11:28] <Chandy> minghua, Do U know How to create packages file for different releases
[11:28] <rmjb> looks like just a dpkg installation issue, cause I can install the package fine
[11:28] <Chandy> Fujitsu, hey ..What happened your interview
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Went well :)
[11:28] <Chandy> Fujitsu, thats good
[11:29] <Chandy> Fujitsu, What are you doing now
[11:29] <Fujitsu> Chandy: looking at that forum link :P
[11:29] <Fujitsu> rmjb: Not much use without knowing what version of stuff they've got..
[11:29] <Chandy> Fujitsu, hey I didnt mean that ..I meant R U a student or working
[11:29] <Fujitsu> Chandy: A student.
[11:30] <Chandy> Fujitsu, thats great
[11:30] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Are u a MOTU
[11:30] <Fujitsu> Chandy: yup.
[11:30] <rmjb> Fujitsu: oh... things like that will prevent them from uninstalling also?
[11:31] <Fujitsu> rmjb: No. But knowing what version of the package they have will allow us to better confirm/deny it.
[11:31] <Chandy> Fujitsu, I am a Debian , Ubuntu user and working on building a distro .. How do I become a Ubuntu developer
[11:32] <crimsun> rmjb: bug 64615
[11:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64615 in courier-authlib "apt-get broken after upgrade to edgy eft (courier-authdaemon package)" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64615
[11:32] <Chandy> Fujitsu, crimsun was telling about maintaining overrides ..Do U have any idea abt taht
[11:32] <Fujitsu> Chandy: you must exhibit that you have sufficient skills and experience in the field of packaging, then become an Ubuntu Member, then a developer.
[11:32] <Fujitsu> Chandy: I have no idea, there might be some documentation on the Debian site.
[11:32] <Chandy> Fujitsu, How do I do that
[11:33] <Chandy> Fujitsu, ok
[11:34] <Fujitsu> (there will be no Ubuntu-specific documentation, as anything that's different is proprietary, so documentation of it is of little interest to people who aren't Launchpad developers.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> *)
[11:34] <rmjb> thanks crimsun, I'll refer the thread to that bug...
[11:37] <rmjb> Chandy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[11:37] <rmjb> I'm trying to work on becoming one too... haven't reached very far
[11:38] <rmjb> Hi dholbach, you responded to my UVFe for dmraid, said it needed to go to SRU, do I need to add anything else to the bug report or reassign it? It wasn't clear on the SRU page since that seemed like the process for main
[11:39] <dholbach> rmjb: we don't have the process worked out yet
[11:39] <rmjb> Oh and Chandy this might help as you go through the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms
[11:39] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Hmm... It's post release...
[11:39] <dholbach> rmjb: however it would help to talk to sfllaw and/or get people testing the new dmraid
[11:40] <Fujitsu> I've got a SRU that a lot of people are waiting for.
[11:40] <crimsun> eh, I've got an SRU that people complained bitterly about and then proceeded to do NOTHING when the fix was made available in -proposed.
[11:40] <crimsun> I love wasting my time.
[11:41] <rmjb> So I should direct sfllaw to the bug?
[11:41] <rmjb> I felt validated at the last bug comment for dmraid, someone said it worked beautifully on edgy :)
[11:49] <Chandy> rmjb, thatnk you
[11:49] <Chandy> rmjb, thank you
[11:50] <rmjb> np
[11:50] <rmjb> g'day all
[12:03] <Chandy> Any command to create overrride file
[12:04] <Chandy> crimsun, I got the suntax of override file "Package Priority Section"
[12:04] <Chandy> crimsun, But How to specify the version of the pacakge to be taken into that release
[12:45] <Chandy> override.breezy.universe.. is this type of oerrides files  manually created
[12:46] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Do U have nay idea How to create this file override.breezy.universe.. Is this created manually
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Chandy: No. Why are you dealing with Breezy?
[12:53] <Chandy> Fujitsu, No , I just want to know How to carete overrides file and whats the use of that
[12:53] <Chandy> create overrides file
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Chandy: None of us here are archive administrators, so it is likely that nobody here knows.
[12:54] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Then in which channel I can get taht info
[12:55] <Fujitsu> Chandy: None I know of.
[12:55] <Chandy> Fujitsu, ok
[12:56] <luisbg> what steps should I follow to get a debian package suitable for ubuntu?
[12:57] <Fujitsu> Chandy: The format of the override file is a number of lines of form:
[12:57] <Fujitsu> package priority section
[12:57] <Fujitsu> luisbg: In most cases nothing
[12:58] <luisbg> Fujitsu, ok, let me try
[12:58] <Fujitsu> luisbg: Although using a binary package is very inadvisable, it'd be advisable to rebuild it from the source package.
[01:00] <luisbg> Fujitsu, that's what I'm going to try to do, if I have any problem I'll tell
[01:00] <Fujitsu> luisbg: OK :)
[01:00] <luisbg> =) thanks
[01:05] <luisbg> Fujitsu, let's see if the dependencies match
[01:05] <Fujitsu> luisbg: It's unlikely, but possible.
[01:06] <luisbg> Fujitsu, LOL
[01:06] <luisbg> usually is just matching up version numbers to the ubuntu ones? or is it more complex?
[01:08] <Fujitsu> It shouldn't need any manual modification.
[01:09] <luisbg> don't understand
[01:09] <luisbg> shouldn't I modify the debian/control?
[01:10] <Fujitsu> Most packages have shlibs:Depends in the dependency field, which means it automatically calculates the necessary dependencies.
[01:10] <Fujitsu> So, no.
[01:11] <luisbg> hmmm it seams it depends on a package not in ubuntu either...
[01:14] <luisbg> gonna search for an easier to fix bug ;P
[01:14] <luisbg> but will leave a comment of my discoveries in the bug report
[01:15] <Fujitsu> luisbg: Which package?
[01:15] <Fujitsu> (the missing, and the one you're building)
[01:16] <luisbg> the bugreport is about gnuradio-examples, which misses the depending package gr-usrp (which is in debian contrib but not ubuntu)...
[01:17] <luisbg> but then gr-usrp depends on python-usrp, which isn't in ubuntu either
[01:17] <Fujitsu> Terrific!
[01:18] <luisbg> LOL
[01:18] <luisbg> Fujitsu, may I query you?
[01:18] <Fujitsu> luisbg: Sure.
[01:47] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping
[01:49] <ArtVandalae> Does anyone know what's going to happen with Anjuta (the C IDE), the one found in Edgy (2.0.2) is alpha. Is anyone going to remake a 1.2.4a version?
[01:59] <gnomefreak> ArtVandalae: nothing is going to happen for atleast 2 weeks and when it does its not likely going to be downgraded since its after release
[02:07] <Chandy> Fujitsu, One doubt
[02:07] <Chandy> Fujitsu, in universe section nail_11.25 version is available ..Which is not yet in main section
[02:08] <Chandy> Fujitsu, this is the latewswt version in universe
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Chandy: The package is not in main if it's in universe.
[02:08] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Suppose If this nail_11.25 pacakage needed and is moved to main ... Will that package will be still present in the main
[02:09] <Fujitsu> If it is moved to main, it will be in main.
[02:09] <Chandy> Fujitsu, so it wont be in universe , even the source
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Correct.
[02:10] <Chandy> Fujitsu, I fount some packages source and some binaries are present in main ..and few other binaries of same package are present in universe ..
[02:10] <lastnode> now that edgy is out the door, would a motu consider helping us with some packaging (python)?
[02:11] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Correct, some source packages produce binaries that are unsupported, so some of their binaries go in universe.
[02:11] <Fujitsu> lastnode: Which application?
[02:11] <lastnode> Fujitsu, http://www.upstreamdev.org
[02:11] <Chandy> Fujitsu, unsupported in the sense ..
[02:11] <lastnode> Fujitsu, we're nearing the release of 0.1.0 - Gtk/Qt frontends working etc.
[02:11] <Chandy> Fujitsu, unsupported by Ubuntu team or Ubuntu
[02:12] <Fujitsu> lastnode: This is upstream, is it?
[02:12] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Offcial Ubuntu team wont give support for those binaries
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Lacking commercial support from Canonical.
[02:12] <lastnode> Fujitsu, that's an ambigious question when you ask it like that. :P What do you mean?
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Chandy: They are community supported.
[02:13] <Chandy> Fujitsu, How do they know they cannot support ..as it will be from the same source package
[02:13] <Fujitsu> lastnode: Upstream as in the product.
[02:13] <lastnode> Fujitsu, yeah.
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Chandy: The binary is simply deemed not supported.
[02:13] <Chandy> Fujitsu, For exampole ..If I see acl package ... all libacl1 binaries are in main and acl binaries are in universe
[02:14] <Chandy> Fujitsu, What is deemed
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Chandy: decided, or similar.
[02:14] <Chandy> Fujitsu, ok
[02:15] <Chandy> Fujitsu, How do they decide out of binaries of same package , some can come into main and some not
[02:15] <lastnode> Fujitsu, imbrandon said he'd try and demo Upstream at UDS Mountain View, and we're keen on gettng a .deb out the door by then. That's why I thought I'd ask in here. Didn't want to ask before since Edgy was shipping.
[02:15] <Fujitsu> lastnode: OK, that sounds like a good idea. Have you done any packaging before?
[02:15] <lastnode> Fujitsu, I'm afraid none at all. :
[02:16] <lastnode> I've read the debian py policy, that's about it
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Chandy: It is basically at mdz's disgression at this time, AFAIK.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> lastnode: OK, I'll have a look at it.
[02:17] <Chandy> Fujitsu, mdz'z disgression , what is that
[02:17] <Fujitsu> lastnode: (a really great project!)
[02:17] <Fujitsu> Chandy: mdz is Matt Zimmerman, the chief technical person at Canonical. It is his decision as to what enters main, I believe.
[02:18] <thom> i think he means discretion :-)
[02:18] <Chandy> Fujitsu, Oh..Then Can I contact him
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Chandy: Not advisable... Why would you want to?
[02:19] <Fujitsu> [22:16:41]  <Fujitsu> Chandy: It is basically at mdz's disgression at this time, AFAIK.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> [22:16:53]  <Fujitsu> lastnode: OK, I'll have a look at it.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> [22:17:13]  <Chandy> Fujitsu, mdz'z disgression , what is that
[02:19] <Fujitsu> [22:17:19]  <Fujitsu> lastnode: (a really great project!)
[02:19] <Fujitsu> That's since your last message.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> thom: Same thing :P
[02:20] <lastnode> Fujitsu, thanks mate. We're in #upstream and #upstream-dev if you'd like to drop by sometime.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> thom: It's 2230 here, and I was up until after 0100 last night in #ubuntu; I'm tired :P
[02:21] <Fujitsu> lastnode: I might drop around, yes.
[02:21] <lastnode> thanks a lot
[02:21] <lastnode> laters then, sleep tight
[02:21] <lastnode> :-)
[02:21] <Chandy> Fujitsu, I want to know this , What strategy ,guidelines are followed to decide about packages
[02:21] <azeem> Chandy: there are established procedures for this, I believe they are documented
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Chandy: General upstream activity, and supportability. I'm not exactly sure of the strict guidelines; but as azeem said, they should be documented somewhere.
[02:22] <azeem> no need to mail the people unless you find the documentation lacking
[02:22] <azeem> ng
[02:22] <azeem> eh.
[02:22] <StevenK> The procedure is a Main Inclusion Report.
[02:22] <StevenK> Which should be documented in the wiki.
[02:22] <Chandy> Fujitsu, ok
[02:23] <StevenK> dholbach: Ping?
[02:23] <Chandy> azeem, Where can I find the doc
[02:24] <Fujitsu> cat /home/StevenK/headache > /dev/null
[02:24] <Fujitsu> Done.
[02:25] <StevenK> Thereby leaving the headache around.
[02:26] <lastnode> rm -rf /home/StevenK/headache
[02:26] <StevenK> lastnode: I think it's EPERM at the moment. :-/
[02:27] <lastnode> meh
[02:27] <imbrandon> rm -rf /home/StevenK
[02:27] <lastnode> :D
[02:27] <imbrandon> :)
[02:28] <imbrandon> heh
[02:28] <lastnode> imbrandon, hello! i just got Fujitsu interested in packaging upstream. we're having a chat in #upstream-dev about it if you wanna eavesdrop ;-)
[02:39] <imbrandon> Hobbsee / Fujitsu , feisty pbuilders setup on horatio ( not that they are any diffrent from edgy atm ) and all pbuilders setup to update every hour now automaticly
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Thanks imbrandon.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and to get more stuff for your mirror :P
[02:40] <imbrandon> StevenK, hehe i figured i would set it up now and ride the toolchange changes out
[02:40] <StevenK> I might add feisty{,-{updates,security}} tonight.
[02:40] <imbrandon> toolchain*
[02:40] <imbrandon> yea i added the feisty mirror, only 55 mb of changes so far
[02:40] <imbrandon> libc and a kernel i think is it
[02:41] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Oh yes, feisty{-updates,-security} are going to be soooo useful for the next 6 months.
[02:41] <StevenK> Interesting. Since feisty-changes is empty.
[02:41] <jsgotangco> has it opened???
[02:41] <zul> not really
[02:41] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, not for uploads but the dist is there
[02:41] <StevenK> jsgotangco: Apparently, it's in Pre-release freeze, according to Launchpad.
[02:41] <jsgotangco> ahh it must be some automated thing
[02:55] <TheMuso> Are there any toolchain updates that need to be bootstrapped?
[02:56] <zul> most likely
[02:56] <zul> i think thats what is happening now
[02:56] <StevenK> libc 2.5 springs to mind, if we go for it.
[02:57] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I believe it is happening.
[02:58] <Fujitsu> StevenK: fabbione mentioned it earlier.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso
[02:58] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[02:58] <TheMuso> How goes it?
[02:59] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[02:59] <Hobbsee> it goes
[02:59] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon
[02:59] <TheMuso> Hey StevenK.
[02:59] <StevenK> TheMuso: Got an ISO yet? :-P
[02:59] <TheMuso> StevenK: Yeah.
[02:59] <dholbach> StevenK: PONG
[02:59] <TheMuso> Just finished fetching server isos not long ago.
[02:59] <StevenK> dholbach: Ah. Apparently, we MOTU are going to have a meeting after Edgy is out, correct?
[03:00] <dholbach> we should :)
[03:00] <dholbach> somebody shold propose time and date to the list
[03:01] <StevenK> dholbach: Ah. I was only curious if you'd thought about it, is all.
[03:01] <dholbach> I didn't think about it in the last days... too much other things happening :/
[03:02] <Hobbsee> dholbach: do we have an agenda so far?  build machines, woudl be one thing to discuss
[03:02] <Hobbsee> s/machines/farm/
[03:02] <StevenK> What Canonical needs to do, is make sure each MOTU has at least 4 of the six architecture machines. :-P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hahah
[03:03] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[03:03] <Hobbsee> and all worth building on
[03:03] <StevenK> Indeed.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> it must be time for canonical to sponsor some more laptops, too :P
[03:03] <zul> what they havent done that for you? ;)
[03:04] <bhale> ik joined the laptop testing team to try to get amd64 or ppc
[03:04] <bhale> but there were none of either, and they left me on anyway
[03:04] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% uname -m
[03:04] <StevenK> x86_64
[03:04] <StevenK> bhale: ^
[03:04] <bhale> well i have one now, in any case
[03:04] <StevenK> Heh, nice.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> zul: nope.  i came in far too late for that.
[03:05] <bhale> got a core2 duo recently
[03:05] <bhale> its running 32-bit for now
[03:05] <StevenK> What a waste. :-P
[03:05] <bhale> i was having major stability problems on 64
[03:05] <StevenK> How so?
[03:05] <StevenK> My amd64 is rock solid.
[03:05] <bhale> like pluging/unplugging the power cable would hang the whole box
[03:06] <bhale> plus general flakiness
[03:06] <StevenK> Under-rated PSU?
[03:06] <bhale> beats me?
[03:06] <StevenK> Heh
[03:06] <bhale> works fantastically on 32
[03:06] <bhale> I call it a bug
[03:06] <StevenK> bhale: If you can, try a higher wattage PSU in 64 bit
[03:07] <bhale> did you miss the part where this was a laptop
[03:07] <StevenK> You didn't say that...
[03:07] <bhale> unsure why i would hotplug my PSU on a desktop, anyway
[03:07] <StevenK> Dear me.
[03:07] <bhale> I thought that was one clue
[03:07] <StevenK> Yeah, well.
[03:07] <Fujitsu> bhale: I was thinking that, yes... Hotplugging such things isn't exactly a good idea :P
[03:07] <Fujitsu> (and would be bound to cause a crash)
[03:08] <StevenK> bhale: I have had about four hours sleep, and I've been working all day.
[03:08] <bhale> my condolences
[03:08] <StevenK> Yeah, well.
[03:08] <bhale> halt
[03:08] <StevenK> Hopefully, I don't sleep in until 3pm
[03:09] <StevenK> imbrandon: Ping?
[03:10] <imbrandon> pong
[03:11] <StevenK> imbrandon: You had some image for Feisty, like Bambi?
[03:11] <StevenK> imbrandon: I wanted to point my mother in law at it.
[03:11] <imbrandon> heh ok , lemme find where i stuck it
[03:12] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/FeistyFawn.png
[03:12] <bhale> we used to have naked women
[03:12] <bhale> now we have... bambi
[03:12] <StevenK> Heh
[03:12] <bhale> sigh
[03:13] <StevenK> Bambi is the name of a porn star, so you could add the two.
[03:13] <imbrandon> lol
[03:13] <bhale> imbrandon: slap an ubuntu logo on here and lets go
[03:13] <imbrandon> :)
[03:13] <imbrandon> a tattoo
[03:14] <bhale> yes
[03:17] <imbrandon> join #canonical-sysadmin
[03:17] <imbrandon> gah
[03:18] <StevenK> imbrandon: You're looking to become one? :-P
[03:19] <imbrandon> haha no, just had to message one
[03:19] <imbrandon> i dont think they would let me :) ( although it would be nice )
[03:19] <zul> imbrandon: you look so happy in the eric jpg
[03:19] <imbrandon> zul, the one with them both on my lap?
[03:19] <zul> yep
[03:20] <imbrandon> yea let me tell you how happy i was to have two whingey kids on my lap heheh
[03:20] <zul> hehe
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:25] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[03:50] <AnAnt> bddebian: hide
[03:50] <AnAnt> what will the new version of Ubuntu be called ?
[03:50] <snowblink> fiesty fawn
[03:50] <lophyte> feisty fawn
[03:52] <AnAnt> k
[05:57] <joejaxx> anyone around that whould like to help me decipher a strace log?
[06:19] <superm1> Could anyone point me to the process that is followed during Live CD building, so as if I wanted to patch some things in the build process for such a disk, I could?
[06:26] <geser> joejaxx: for which program?
[06:26] <joejaxx> geser: at
[06:26] <joejaxx> geser: for some reason the daemon will not start in a chroot environment
[06:27] <joejaxx> works in dapper
[06:27] <joejaxx> not in edgy
[06:27] <geser> have you an url to the strace log?
[06:27] <joejaxx> yes i do
[06:27] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=186
[06:32] <geser> I don't see anything in the strace log that would explain it
[06:32] <geser> can you strace /usr/sbin/atd directly?
[06:34] <joejaxx> yes sure
[06:34] <joejaxx> let me do that
[06:35] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=187
[06:43] <geser> joejaxx: I'm wondering about line 0: "Invalid process id" and why is /sbin/start executed (line 1) and not /usr/sbin/atd
[06:43] <joejaxx> geser: i do not know
[06:44] <joejaxx> geser: it tries to start the daemon when you install the package
[06:44] <joejaxx> and that is what happens
[06:45] <thom> joejaxx: uh, how did you run strace?
[06:46] <thom> cos that looks awfully like the results of an "strace -p /etc/init.d/atd start"
[06:46] <thom> i think you meant strace -f
[06:46] <joejaxx> strace -Ff -tt -p /usr/sbin/atd start 2>&1 | tee strace-atd-sbin.log
[06:46] <joejaxx> whoops
[06:46] <thom> yeah, thought so
[06:47] <thom> -p takes a PID
[06:47] <geser> -p is for an already running process
[06:47] <joejaxx> yeah sorry about that
[06:47] <joejaxx> i forgot to take it out
[06:47] <thom> and you don't want to do that anyway, since you'll get a tonne of shell and s-s-d spam
[06:48] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=188
[06:49] <thom> syslog's not running or your /dev is screwed
[06:49] <joejaxx> thom: this is a chroot'd debstrap environment
[06:49] <thom> that's nice
[06:50] <thom> 16:47:45.304727 connect(0, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[06:50] <thom> means that it's trying to connect to syslog and failing
[06:50] <joejaxx> :\
[06:50] <thom> so, either start syslog in the chroot, or modify your syslog configs to create a /dev/log in the chroot when your main syslog starts
[06:51] <joejaxx> why does installing that package work on dapper debstrap and not edgy?
[06:51] <joejaxx> i do not get any of those errors on dapper
[06:51] <thom> maybe dapper atd doesn't syslog. maybe your install is different. i dunno
[06:52] <thom> anyway, man syslogd and modify /etc/default/syslogd accordingly
[07:21] <luisbg> is there a way to delete a comment in the launchpad bug tracker? I just made the comment in the wrong bug report
[07:39] <fbond> luisbg, no way to delete, I think; just add another comment "Disregard last comment"
[07:40] <luisbg> fbond, ok thanks
[07:41] <superm1> in reading the licensing section http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing, certain firmware can be included on a case-by-case basis.  who should I talk to about getting firmware included?
[07:43] <zul> as in drivers?
[07:43] <superm1> well firmware for drivers
[07:43] <zul> open a bug in launchpad assign it to linux-source-2.6.17
[07:44] <superm1> well the drivers are in universe already though (ivtv), so the firmware would probably also go into universe
[07:44] <superm1> still assign it to linux-source-2.6.17 then?
[07:45] <zul> i believe so
[07:45] <zul> you might want assign it to ivtv though
[07:45] <superm1> should i subscribe anyone in particular?
[07:46] <zul> dont think so
[08:12] <luisbg> I'm looking at a package that in debian/control asks for libopenbabel-dev, but when trying to apt install it says it can't because it depends on libopenbabel0c2a, it's confusing me
[08:12] <luisbg> ooh the package is libgchemutils0c2a
[08:19] <geser> luisbg: you need to rebuild libgchemutils against libopenbabel1
[08:19] <luisbg> against?
[08:22] <geser> libopenbabel0c2a got replaced with libopenbabel1
[08:22] <geser> you need to rebuild it to get the new lib (if it works with the new version)
[08:23] <luisbg> ok, doing so
[08:33] <Floola> Hi, I'm a newby so forgive my ignorance. Is there an easy way to build a package and submit it to repositories?
[08:33] <Floola> Or should I ask, what's the easiest way to do it.
[08:33] <superm1> Floola, have you read the packaging guide?
[08:33] <geser> !revu
[08:33] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[08:33] <luisbg> Floola, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[08:34] <luisbg> Floola, is the package from source code or from a debian package?
[08:34] <superm1> man everyone here is quick to the draw to get that info out.  i couldn't even google before luisbg posted :)
[08:34] <Floola> It's a binary app
[08:34] <Floola> not from source
[08:34] <luisbg> superm1, it's because since I'm a newbie too... I have the guide open in firefox all the time
[08:34] <luisbg> LOL
[08:35] <superm1> hehe
[08:35] <luisbg> Floola, never packaged binary apps, I'm a newbie too...sorry I can't help
[08:35] <luisbg> and I don't recall reading about that in the packaging guide
[08:35] <luisbg> which binary app?
[08:35] <Floola> www.floola.com
[08:36] <Floola> it's an iPod manager.
[08:36] <Floola> as it's working quite good I thought it would be nice to add it to repositories.
[08:37] <luisbg> which license does it have?
[08:37] <Floola> freeware
[08:39] <Floola> don't know if this is an issue.
[08:39] <luisbg> what is the ubuntu policy about freeware?
[08:39] <luisbg> I think it is permitted
[08:39] <Floola> anyway it seems to be quite time consuming to create a package.
[08:39] <luisbg> if you don't have some experience it is
[08:39] <luisbg> but you can do one thing
[08:39] <Burgwork> luisbg: as long as we can freely redistribute it, it can go in multiverse
[08:40] <Floola> yep, it's freely redistributable.
[08:40] <luisbg> send an email message to the programmers of floola, asking them if you can have a copy of the source code to make a package for ubuntu
[08:40] <luisbg> if they say yes, drop me a line
[08:40] <Burgwork> luisbg: you can pakcage binaries as well
[08:40] <Floola> I'm floola's dev. ;-)
[08:41] <luisbg> Burgwork, but wouldn't they be less efficient?
[08:41] <Burgwork> yep, but that is ok
[08:41] <luisbg> Floola, oooh, but you don't want people to be able to apt-get source the package
[08:41] <luisbg> Burgwork, can you point us where to read about packaging binaries?
[08:41] <luisbg> Floola, I can be your package maintainer if you don't want to spend the time learning to package
[08:42] <Burgwork> luisbg: not hard
[08:42] <Burgwork> Floola: is there some reason why your app is not open source?
[08:42] <Floola> I just would like people to be able to install floola from synaptic and it would also be nice if the application would be automatically added to the application menu.
[08:42] <Floola> yes, different reasons.
[08:42] <Burgwork> ok, no worries
[08:42] <Burgwork> so take you binary tarball and do things to that
[08:42] <Burgwork> you don't need source
[08:43] <Floola> what you mean with "do things to that"?
[08:43] <luisbg> Burgwork, LOL, sure, but I'm curious to know which things to do to the binary
[08:44] <Burgwork> not a MOTU, so no idea the specifics
[08:44] <luisbg> Floola, the application menu thing is a gnome thing... you can make your binary do that independently of being a ubuntu package
[08:45] <Floola> ehm, sorry I didn't meant the taskbar (or whatever it is called). I mean the application (Accessories, Games, Graphics...)
[08:45] <Burgwork> yep, that isn't hard
[08:46] <luisbg> Floola, I meant the same as you
[08:46] <sladen> .desktop file
[08:48] <luisbg> sladen, where is that file?
[08:49] <geser> /usr/share/applications
[08:49] <luisbg> ooh cool
[08:50] <luisbg> so he should make the binary so it moves a floola.desktop file to /usr/share/applications
[08:51] <Floola> I guess this is a package stuff
[08:51] <sladen> luisbg: just stick it in the tarball;  but preferably package it aswell so that it's nicely uninstallable
[08:52] <luisbg> sladen, I see
[08:57] <luisbg> gotta go
[08:57] <luisbg> bbl
[09:16] <ajmitch> morning
[09:18] <zul> hey ajmitch
[10:49] <Cale> Has sistpoty been around?
[10:51] <sistpoty> hi folks and congrats to edgy release!
[10:53] <Cale> sistpoty: hello
[10:53] <sistpoty> hi Cale
[10:53] <Cale> sistpoty: Is there a GHC 6.6 package in the works?
[10:53] <sistpoty> Cale: ghc6.6 should be in unstable already, so it will get merged for feisty, once merging will begin
[10:54] <Cale> okay
[10:54] <Cale> Will I be able to use that package from edgy, or will I have to upgrade to feisty?
[10:54] <bhale> you can backport it.
[10:55] <sistpoty> Cale: that depends...
[10:55] <Cale> not until I get a new powersupply which can withstand hours of 100% cpu usage without overheating :)
[10:57] <sistpoty> Cale: if gcc and friends don't change too much, you might be able to use it... however since all haskell libraries have a hard dependency on ghc6 with the right upstream version, you would need to rebuild them as well, if you plan to use them
[10:57] <Cale> mm
[10:57] <Cale> It would be nice to get a backport ;)
[10:57] <Cale> GHC 6.6 has a whole slew of new libraries
[10:58] <sistpoty> Cale: exactly this dependency of all existing libraries make a backport very unlikely...
[10:58] <Cale> I mean, Haskell libraries, (in fptools)
[10:58] <Cale> I don't think the dependencies have changed too much
[10:59] <Cale> By hacking the deb, installing the experimental GHC 6.6 on dapper worked
[11:00] <Cale> Since the only thing which it complained about was the patchlevel version of libc6
[11:01] <Cale> (chopping off the part after the - resulted in something which ran fine)
[11:01] <sistpoty> Cale: it might work to force install it... but for a proper backport all existing libraries would need to be rebuild, which makes an official backport unlikely
[11:01] <Cale> okay
[11:02] <sistpoty> (only way I could imaging was to make ghc6.6 a new sourcepackage to not break the libs, but such a case for backports was unprecedenced till now *g*)
[11:17] <jbailey> Anyone know off hand if CDDL apps can go into universe?
[11:19] <crimsun> jbailey: I don't know offhand, but FSF classifies it as a Free but GPL-incompatible one
[11:19] <jbailey> Ah, thanks.
[11:20] <rmjb> jbailey: asking for java?
[11:21] <jbailey> rmjb: glassfish, actually. =)
[11:22] <sistpoty> jbailey: according to http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components universe is open source + "software available under a variety of less open licences", so why not... though I personally always thought that universe licensing would mean the same as main
[11:22] <plugwash> jbailey just make sure its not linking with any gpli stuff
[11:23] <plugwash> *gpl
[11:23] <rmjb> sun said java will most likely be open sourced under cddl soon, was announced this week a OracleWorld
[11:23] <azeem> the cddl is a grey area in Debian to the choice of venue clause or whatever it is
[11:23] <plugwash> sun have been saying they will opensource java for a *LONG* time, personally i'll belive it what it actually happens
[11:23] <crimsun> sistpoty: yes, that's my hunch, too, since apache2 is also under a GPL-incompatible one.
[11:23] <azeem> i.e. they set the jurisdication to california
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> plugwash: i saw a video about it happening in 94
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc the date
[11:24] <azeem> plugwash: this time they said "this year" afaik
[11:24] <azeem> before they said "in the future"
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> mid 90s for sure
[11:24] <sistpoty> crimsun: but apache2 is considered dfsg-free, isn't it?
[11:24] <azeem> sistpoty: of course
[11:25] <crimsun> it has to be ... to be in main :)
[11:25] <plugwash> there is loads of non gpl compatible stuff in debian and ubuntu
[11:26] <sistpoty> yay, and that's the point, I'm not sure if cddl is dfsg-free (iirc it isn't)
[11:26] <plugwash> iirc the old apache license has something similar to the "abnoxious bsd advertising clause"
[11:59] <ajmitch> jbailey!
[11:59] <jbailey> Heya Andrew.
[12:01] <sistpoty> hey ajmitch
[12:02] <ajmitch> hi
[12:11] <Lutin_> Hay
[12:12] <sistpoty> hi Lutin_