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| cjwatson | Listing ubuntu/feisty (DONE) 0/0 | 12:23 |
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| cjwatson | y'all are slackers | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | :-) | 12:23 |
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| doko_ | cjwatson: is edgy-updates open? | 12:45 |
| doko_ | or -proposed ... | 12:45 |
| infinity | So, what's the status of toolchain mangling, kids? | 03:00 |
| infinity | Anyone have uploads ready for me? | 03:00 |
| doko_ | yes, for edgy-updates; sparc has problems | 03:29 |
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| jb-home | doko, fabbione: Whenever you guys wake up. I'm going to patch glibc such that it build-dep's on linux-libc-dev 2.6.19. Some defines went away, so I'll patch glibc to have them directly (and submit the patch upstream) | 03:48 |
| infinity | jb-home: So, am I going to do a manual bootstrap to get glibc in place, then do the rest of the toolchain (and kernel), then we'll upload glibc again with the correct build-dep? | 03:51 |
| jb-home | infinity: Eh, you're awake earlier than expected. =) | 03:51 |
| infinity | It's almost noon... | 03:51 |
| jb-home | glibc doesn't build without it. | 03:51 |
| jb-home | So I'd start with the kernel upload. | 03:52 |
| jb-home | I suggested that to Ben, and he doesn't want people usng the kernel, so wouldn't update linux-meta. | 03:52 |
| infinity | Oh, yeah, starting with the kernel seems sane, since it should build fine regardless. | 03:52 |
| jb-home | Right. | 03:52 |
| infinity | Do we have a kernel upload for me? | 03:52 |
| jb-home | Best to poke BenC. He has one that he was using to give us linux-libc-dev .debs from. | 03:52 |
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| infinity | Woo. | 03:53 |
| infinity | BenC: How quickly can I get that linux-source-2.6.19 in edgy? | 03:53 |
| infinity | feisty, even. | 03:53 |
| infinity | That's going to take some brain mangling. | 03:53 |
| infinity | feisty, feisty, feisty. | 03:53 |
| infinity | I wonder how many changelogs I'll mess up in the first month... | 03:53 |
| BenC | I can upload tonight | 03:54 |
| infinity | Where "tonight" = ? | 03:54 |
| BenC | withing a few hours | 03:54 |
| infinity | Cool. Should do. | 03:54 |
| BenC | want me to get on it? | 03:54 |
| infinity | Please. :) | 03:54 |
| BenC | there's no lrm, and not touching linux-meta, and don't suggest to anyone to install it :) | 03:56 |
| jb-home | infinity: It's only bad because you have the rights to approve uploads to edgy, don't you? =) | 03:56 |
| BenC | I don't have all the third-party drivers in place yet | 03:56 |
| doko_ | jb-home: I can disable double-128 for sparc for now, but we shouldn't open the archive before we can fix that | 03:58 |
| jb-home | doko_: Right, it seems like it's just a patch missing from the backport, yes? | 03:59 |
| doko_ | jb-home: tell me which one ... | 03:59 |
| jb-home | =) | 03:59 |
| jb-home | Considering I had trouble *reading* the bloody assertion that was tripping... | 04:00 |
| doko_ | I'm currently trying to work around the C++ regressions, (fixes of accepts-invalid-code :-/ ) | 04:00 |
| doko_ | yeah, and davem doesn't know either | 04:01 |
| jb-home | Does it happen with pristine CVS? | 04:03 |
| infinity | jb-home: s/edgy/feisty/ in the above? | 04:04 |
| doko_ | jb-home: 4.1 doesn't support double-128, 4.2 does | 04:04 |
| infinity | Anyhow, if all the above babble is telling me we're not ready for the bootstrap, I can hold off. | 04:04 |
| infinity | I have other stuff to do right now anyway. | 04:04 |
| doko_ | interim solution: make 4.2 the default on sparc and let fabbione fix the fallout bugs =) | 04:04 |
| jb-home | infinity: No. As in, it's bad if you type edgy in the changelog, because you have launchpad god rights. You can accidentally make it go through. =) | 04:05 |
| infinity | BenC: But please, do get us the kernel upload soonish, so when jeff and doko are ready, we're good to go with linux-libc-dev. | 04:05 |
| jb-home | infinity: re: hppa... | 04:05 |
| BenC | infinity: on its way, at 30k/sec, so give it some time | 04:05 |
| infinity | jb-home: I'd have to put edgy back in "development" before I could do that, which would be a lot of effort to work around a typo. | 04:05 |
| jb-home | infinity: Are there feisty chroots there based off of dapper? | 04:05 |
| infinity | jb-home: There are no chroots for any arch, but yes, there will be an hppa/feisty chroot that's essentially a dapper chroot. | 04:06 |
| doko_ | jb-home: just ronne/i386 | 04:06 |
| infinity | (No chroots intentionally, so uploads don't trigger builds accidentally) | 04:06 |
| jb-home | infinity: Cool. So with any luck, it'll give us the kernel headers there. | 04:06 |
| infinity | Assuming linux-2.6.19 can build on dapper, yeah. | 04:06 |
| infinity | If not, this'll be a fun ride. | 04:07 |
| jb-home | Oh, which it certainly can't. Forgot about that. | 04:07 |
| jb-home | Although I can tell you which pieces need to be built. =) | 04:07 |
| infinity | If the only thing we need to pull in is linux-libc-dev, and one of you has already bootstrapped that on hppa, I'm all for cheating. | 04:07 |
| jb-home | I have all the basic stuff to do it, just need Ben's source package. | 04:08 |
| infinity | Okay, cool. | 04:08 |
| infinity | I'm less concerned about hppa today anyway. | 04:08 |
| infinity | But if we can squeeze it in here and there and make it happen, cool. | 04:08 |
| BenC | infinity, jb-home: 5 more minutes to upload completion | 04:55 |
| infinity | BenC: \o/ | 04:56 |
| infinity | Thanks, dude. | 04:56 |
| infinity | Were Fabio's "The headers are so busted that the kernel's scripts/ directory can't even be compiled against the new linuc-libc-dev" concerns addressed? :) | 04:56 |
| BenC | yep, retested today with latest git | 04:57 |
| infinity | Awesome. Thanks. | 04:57 |
| BenC | done | 05:02 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 05:02 |
| BenC | hey fabbione | 05:03 |
| fabbione | so what's the situation now? | 05:03 |
| fabbione | new kernel is up? | 05:03 |
| jb-home | Hola Fabbione! | 05:03 |
| fabbione | jb-home: glibc still doesn't build on ppc | 05:04 |
| doko | fabbione: see the reply from davem, that's our major sparc problem | 05:07 |
| fabbione | doko: is that long-double thing REALLY required ? | 05:07 |
| fabbione | doko: i am going trough my emails right now... | 05:07 |
| fabbione | jb-home: did you commit that patch? | 05:09 |
| doko | fabbione: yes, see PR28701 | 05:09 |
| jb-home | fabbione: No, I went to eat dinner. =) | 05:09 |
| fabbione | doko: url? | 05:10 |
| fabbione | jb-home: ok | 05:10 |
| fabbione | jb-home: i am going to try to build glibc on ppc32 | 05:10 |
| jb-home | fabbione: Starting by build now. | 05:10 |
| fabbione | but that will take some time | 05:10 |
| doko | fabbione: http://gcc.gnu.org/PR... | 05:10 |
| jb-home | The patch commits, anyway. | 05:10 |
| jb-home | I think this thing usually takes about 20 minutes to build. | 05:10 |
| jb-home | doko: oh, is that the shortcut? I can never remember it. =) | 05:11 |
| BenC | infinity: got the NEW for l-s-2.6.19 | 05:12 |
| fabbione | jb-home: we also still need to port the ubuntu locale patches to 2.5. in theory they could wait for the second upload.. | 05:13 |
| doko | jb-home: what was Alzheimers first name? | 05:14 |
| jb-home | doko: Is "I don't remember" a good answer? =) | 05:14 |
| jb-home | fabbione: They didn't apply cleanly? I thought I had seen them in the patch set. | 05:14 |
| fabbione | jb-home: i didn't even look at debian/patches YET | 05:15 |
| fabbione | you know.. been doing only a merge for 8 hours or so | 05:15 |
| doko | jb-home: yeah, ... | 05:15 |
| fabbione | ppc32 fired up | 05:16 |
| fabbione | doko: when is gcc-4.2 due to? | 05:22 |
| doko | just branched | 05:22 |
| doko | no release date | 05:22 |
| fabbione | what does that mean in gcc world usually? | 05:23 |
| fabbione | 3 months? 20 months? | 05:23 |
| doko | maybe 3, maybe 5 months | 05:30 |
| fabbione | wow... | 05:30 |
| fabbione | jb-home: building glibc on ppc32 basically froze my entire machines except the ssh sessione where it's building | 05:31 |
| jb-home | fabbione: Fucked kernel? | 05:31 |
| fabbione | jb-home: possibly.. | 05:31 |
| fabbione | Linux daltanius 2.6.19-1-powerpc #1 Mon Oct 23 05:18:52 CEST 2006 ppc | 05:31 |
| fabbione | it's rc2 | 05:31 |
| === fabbione reboots in .17 | ||
| fabbione | infinity: feisty doesn't exists on the mirrors yet? | 05:34 |
| fabbione | doko: i dunno what to do with gcc... i have no idea what to look for and so on.. | 05:38 |
| infinity | It won't until something is published in it, I susect. | 05:38 |
| fabbione | should we go for 4.2 branch for all arches? | 05:38 |
| infinity | Woo, the queue tool still defaults to edgy. | 05:38 |
| infinity | \o/ | 05:38 |
| BenC | will new gcc build hppa kernels yet? | 05:38 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes. 4.1 should do | 05:39 |
| fabbione | we don't know yet if they will boot, but to start with, it's enough it builds :) | 05:39 |
| infinity | Although, hrm, I'd expect something to be published by now... | 05:39 |
| infinity | Maybe the publisher hasn't been run since the import. | 05:39 |
| infinity | Feh. | 05:39 |
| infinity | No Team Soyuz around to confirm which step we're at. | 05:39 |
| infinity | I may have to wait until malcc wakes up before I start this dance. | 05:40 |
| fabbione | infinity: don't sweat it... glibc and gcc are not ready yet | 05:40 |
| infinity | Kay. I'll get the kernel building as soon as I have malcc's okay, at least. | 05:40 |
| fabbione | infinity: yeps... | 05:40 |
| infinity | hppa will have to wait, of course, cause it'll need manual love, but the other 5 should work, right? | 05:40 |
| fabbione | not yet | 05:40 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-toolchain:fabbione] : STATUS: glibc: ppc busted | gcc: sparc busted | ||
| infinity | BenC: On which arches will the kernel actually build? :) | 05:41 |
| BenC | should build on all | 05:41 |
| fabbione | infinity: all of them.. i did test build on all 6 a couple of days ago | 05:41 |
| infinity | Even hppa/dapper? | 05:41 |
| fabbione | hppa will need edgy kernel-package and kernel-wedge otherwise it should be good | 05:41 |
| infinity | (I suspect that will require love) | 05:41 |
| infinity | Ahh, that's it? Cool. | 05:41 |
| fabbione | yes | 05:41 |
| infinity | I can manage that. | 05:42 |
| fabbione | the resulting kernel will NOT boot | 05:42 |
| fabbione | but it will build | 05:42 |
| infinity | Booting is not critcal, getting linux-libc-dev is. | 05:42 |
| fabbione | BenC: i assume you did pull also my changes to debian/d-i/ for ia64 and hppa, right? | 05:42 |
| fabbione | i didn't notice the commit logs after that depatch-repatch | 05:42 |
| BenC | fabbione: yep | 05:43 |
| fabbione | that should do | 05:43 |
| fabbione | if nothing drastic changed in the meantime | 05:43 |
| jb-home | Looks like I got the patch to build with the 2.6.19 headers right enough this time. | 05:51 |
| infinity | "right enough" | 05:54 |
| jb-home | infinity: As in, the build didn't fail. | 05:55 |
| jb-home | Not that I've reduced the patch to the set that I would expect to get past drepper. | 05:55 |
| fabbione | doko: <fabbione> should we go for 4.2 branch for all arches? | 06:00 |
| jb-home | Eh, no. | 06:01 |
| jb-home | Having the merge be done with 4.2 in it's current state would almost certainly mean a rebuild after something crazy was discovered. | 06:01 |
| jb-home | They only branched what, a week ago? maybe two? | 06:01 |
| fabbione | fun :) | 06:01 |
| jb-home | If we were sane and kept the results of the rebuild at the end for publishing, I'd say go for it. | 06:02 |
| jb-home | But I'd also track glibc-2.6 actively through the release. | 06:02 |
| fabbione | jb-home: that's MV spec (glibc-2.6 tracking).. we could start packaging it immediatly together with gcc-4.2 and use them offbw for some crazy rebuild.. we would have feisty+1 toolchain ready at the same moment it opens | 06:03 |
| jb-home | fabbione: By spec for the last two release, we're supposed to have had places to upload toolchains and the ability to do test rebuilds. | 06:06 |
| jb-home | Hard to get enthusiastic for that a third go 'round. | 06:06 |
| fabbione | jb-home: well let's put this way ... with my addition to the toolchain slackers, at least i have enough CPU power at home to do main once in a while for all arches | 06:07 |
| jb-home | fabbione: Ah, are you officially added to the crew now? =) | 06:07 |
| fabbione | jb-home: didn't you add me to the team? | 06:08 |
| jb-home | Yeah. You just hadn't acknowledged it before. =) | 06:08 |
| fabbione | yeah yeah... whatever you say.. i am committing to glibc for fun :) | 06:08 |
| jb-home | fabbione: Do you remember on which test she zombie'd out? | 06:14 |
| fabbione | ppc ? | 06:14 |
| jb-home | Yeah. | 06:15 |
| fabbione | no, and i just started a build on davis disabling the test suite | 06:15 |
| fabbione | you are late by 30 secs or so | 06:15 |
| jb-home | Late how? | 06:15 |
| jb-home | No build logs? | 06:15 |
| fabbione | late with me doing ./debian/rules clean && rm ../*.build | 06:16 |
| jb-home | Ah. | 06:16 |
| jb-home | I'm just curious if I've passed that point already or not. | 06:16 |
| fabbione | don't worry.. i can rebuild running the test suite and claim that i thought i was using my machine | 06:16 |
| fabbione | hostnames are very similar :) | 06:16 |
| jb-home | davis versus datbloodppcbox? | 06:17 |
| fabbione | well get to the debs .. there might be an error in sysdeps/powerpc.mk anyway for the headers install in ppc64 | 06:17 |
| jb-home | bloody. even. | 06:17 |
| fabbione | davis versus daltanius | 06:17 |
| fabbione | you know.. tab completion shit | 06:17 |
| fabbione | i blame bash and its maintainer ;) | 06:17 |
| fabbione | it means that in case i will never get root on ANY of the DC machines, but i don't think that will ever happen anyway | 06:18 |
| jb-home | Eh, why don't I have any swap on my box... | 06:18 |
| jb-home | Oh I see the problem you were describing. | 06:18 |
| jb-home | So it doesn't actually stop the build at all. | 06:18 |
| fabbione | are you getting Zombies? | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Zl to be exact | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23241 jbailey 21 0 0 0 0 Z 95 0.0 3:17.46 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23103 jbailey 16 0 0 0 0 Z 13 0.0 0:40.09 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23159 jbailey 16 0 0 0 0 Z 13 0.0 0:32.74 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23196 jbailey 16 0 0 0 0 Z 13 0.0 0:28.47 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23120 jbailey 16 0 0 0 0 Z 13 0.0 0:36.73 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23139 jbailey 16 0 0 0 0 Z 13 0.0 0:33.48 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23176 jbailey 16 0 0 0 0 Z 13 0.0 0:29.87 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| jb-home | 23216 jbailey 21 0 0 0 0 Z 12 0.0 0:29.16 ld.so.1 <defunct> | 06:19 |
| fabbione | yeps | 06:19 |
| fabbione | i am still not getting them on ppc32 kernel | 06:19 |
| fabbione | well at a certain point the testsuite will hang | 06:20 |
| fabbione | it won't take long from there | 06:20 |
| jb-home | Swap: 19531232k total, 0k used, 19531232k free, 1398728k cached | 06:20 |
| jb-home | Much better. | 06:20 |
| fabbione | * tim (n=tim@carl-sgc-sg-1.inter-touch.net) has joined #canonical | 06:20 |
| fabbione | who is he? | 06:20 |
| fabbione | ops.. ECHAN | 06:20 |
| jb-home | fabbione: You're one of thoses detectives that work for HP, aren't you? | 06:21 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 06:21 |
| jb-home | So hmm. Are those zombied because of a bug in glibc, the kernel, or upstart? | 06:22 |
| fabbione | those are spawned by glibc build so i can't think of anything upstart related. | 06:23 |
| fabbione | i am trying to exclude the kernel, building on ppc32 | 06:24 |
| jb-home | They're parented to 1 | 06:24 |
| jb-home | So wouldn't that mean they might be hanging around for not having SIG..CHLD? acknowledged by upstart? | 06:24 |
| jb-home | Especially since they appear to be spinning? | 06:24 |
| jb-home | Or using up CPU time somehow? | 06:24 |
| fabbione | hmm | 06:24 |
| fabbione | no i exclude upstart.. davis is running dapper | 06:25 |
| fabbione | and i could reproduce it there | 06:25 |
| fabbione | and it's running 2.6.15.x | 06:25 |
| fabbione | compared to .17 on your box perhaps? | 06:25 |
| jb-home | Yeah, I'm current edgy from 2 days ago or so. | 06:26 |
| fabbione | right.. so am i | 06:27 |
| jb-home | kill -9 won't take it out, so it's not a userspace problem. | 06:27 |
| fabbione | as i told you yesterday you need a hard reboot of the box | 06:28 |
| fabbione | brb | 06:29 |
| jb-home | Bedtime soon for me. | 06:29 |
| jb-home | I'll try asking Steve Munroe from IBM tomorrow. | 06:30 |
| jb-home | fabbione: It made it through the nptl tests, which is where I would've expected permanent problems if nothing else. | 06:32 |
| fabbione | jb-home: since it doesn't take too long to build there, could you please get it to the deb before you head to bed? | 06:33 |
| jb-home | fabbione: It's working it's way through now. | 06:33 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:33 |
| fabbione | i am running 2 builds here: full on ppc32 and without test suite on ppc64 | 06:34 |
| jb-home | But with a zombie taking up 98% of one CPU, and a collectiong of others fihting for the second one, it's not going quickly. | 06:34 |
| fabbione | so what i would suggest is: | 06:34 |
| jb-home | In the meantime I'll commit the build fix. | 06:34 |
| fabbione | if ppc32 builds fine without zombies and ppc64 goes trough, we look at the tests results from ppc32 and upload temporary disabling the test suite | 06:34 |
| fabbione | (assuming the results are good enough) | 06:34 |
| jb-home | Errr... | 06:35 |
| jb-home | I'd *really* rather talk to Steve first. | 06:35 |
| fabbione | well that can be parallelized :) | 06:35 |
| fabbione | it's not going to happen before monday anyway | 06:35 |
| jb-home | What part of "first" can be parallelized? =) | 06:35 |
| fabbione | our test build can parallelize with you talking with Steve :) | 06:36 |
| jb-home | Lovely, I've commited that. Builds will now demand newer linux-libc-devs than edgy has. | 06:36 |
| jb-home | And it's 00h36, time for sleep. | 06:37 |
| jb-home | See y'all. | 06:37 |
| fabbione | night jeff | 06:37 |
| fabbione | jb-home: it hangs on ppc32 too | 07:06 |
| fabbione | F U C K | 07:06 |
| fabbione | davis did build without testsuite but clearly that's NOT good | 07:07 |
| fabbione | jb-home, infinity: mailed all the ppc hackers for glibc issue.. let see what happens | 07:58 |
| fabbione | BenC: latest git is FTBFS on ppc | 09:50 |
| fabbione | oh nevermind | 09:51 |
| fabbione | it's Olaf patch | 09:51 |
| fabbione | jb-home: portforwarded the patches from glibc-2.4 | 09:58 |
| fabbione | so we should be good with that | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | doko: edgy-{proposed,updates} are open as of edgy release; follow StableReleaseUpdates as usual | 10:01 |
| infinity | (open and functional, even) | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | infinity: publisher should've been run since i-f-p happened ... | 10:04 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Should've, as in "you think it has", or as in "why hasn't it"? | 10:04 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I've been waiting for malcc to show up to give me a status report. | 10:04 |
| cjwatson | $ ls ubuntu/dists/feisty/ | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | Release Release.gpg main multiverse restricted universe | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | can't see what else would've put that there. :-) | 10:05 |
| infinity | Yeah, fair point. :) | 10:05 |
| infinity | (I thought someone said that wasn't there earlier..) | 10:05 |
| infinity | Well, then, I guess we can NEW the kernel, and I can work on getting it building. | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | at this point I'm happy to turn the cron job back on | 10:05 |
| infinity | Also, the queue tool still defaults to edgy. Fun. | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | now done | 10:06 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I noticed that | 10:06 |
| cjwatson | I wonder if that's because feisty is EXPERIMENTAL not DEVELOPMENT | 10:06 |
| infinity | Could be. Why is it, anyway? | 10:06 |
| infinity | I'll happily change it. | 10:06 |
| infinity | I thought EXPERIMENTAL was meant to only exist if there was *also* a DEVELOPMENT release. | 10:07 |
| infinity | (And, afaik, we've never actually used it for anything) | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | right | 10:07 |
| fabbione | i suggest you feisty in frozen | 10:07 |
| fabbione | till we bootstrap the toolchain | 10:07 |
| infinity | I'm down with that idea. | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | that will work for queue too | 10:07 |
| fabbione | infinity: it wasn't on the mirror a couple of hours ago | 10:07 |
| infinity | There, it's frozen now. | 10:08 |
| cjwatson | queue (and everything in launchpad that does Distribution.currentrelease) tries FROZEN, DEVELOPMENT, CURRENT in that order | 10:08 |
| cjwatson | and if there isn't one of those then it just picks the first one | 10:08 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Err, did you already NEW the kernel? | 10:08 |
| infinity | Oh, feh. The changes list is empty. | 10:08 |
| cjwatson | infinity: no | 10:08 |
| === infinity fixes. | ||
| cjwatson | does feisty-changes exist yet? | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | it didn't last night | 10:09 |
| infinity | Yes. | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | wait until I subscribe? :-) | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | not that I'm a sad completist or anything | 10:09 |
| infinity | Be quick. :) | 10:09 |
| infinity | Okay, NOW it's frozen (and has a changes list) | 10:09 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Subscribed yet, huh, huh? :) | 10:11 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: you seem to have gone back to native packaging rather than .diff.gz ...? | 10:11 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: yes it's an -rc.. | 10:12 |
| fabbione | no point to go .diff.gz | 10:12 |
| fabbione | i guess he will switch with .19 final | 10:12 |
| cjwatson | infinity: yes. :-) | 10:12 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: ah | 10:12 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: this upload is only to bootstrap | 10:12 |
| fabbione | not for use | 10:12 |
| cjwatson | I know | 10:13 |
| infinity | Well, she's accepted. | 10:14 |
| infinity | Now I get to play. | 10:14 |
| === infinity does a publisher run, real quick-like. | ||
| Keybuk | doesn't that need a toolchain? :p | 10:16 |
| infinity | Oh, I remember what I wanted to ask malcc (he says, 2 minutes after the publisher starts)... | 10:16 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Are we sure the dsync changes got made, so we don't keep altering edgy? | 10:17 |
| infinity | Keybuk: linux-libc-dev is the first bit of the chain that we want. | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | ahh | 10:18 |
| Keybuk | of course | 10:18 |
| Keybuk | I'd forgotten about that | 10:18 |
| === infinity runs to 7-11 for nutrience while the publisher does... Stuff. | ||
| cjwatson | infinity: yes | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | malcc commented out link-dups; we have a better solution in testing | 10:18 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Oh, good. I didn't want to have to test how well the publisher deals with a SIGINT. | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | hah | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | we made sure of this before creating feisty. :) | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: carlos wants to start up feisty translations before we do the first big auto-sync, if possible | 10:21 |
| cjwatson | which requires downing launchpad for a few hours | 10:21 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: we don't have glibc yet.. so that shouldn't be an issue | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: that's ok | 10:22 |
| fabbione | jb-home and I think we will need a new kernel on ppc buildd to let glibc build | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | we also need to sync edgy -> feisty before I'll do the unstable -> feisty one ;P | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | and that needs a toolchain | 10:23 |
| fabbione | edgy -> feisty? | 10:23 |
| fabbione | isn't that done automatically when they "clone" edgy into feisty? | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | apparently not | 10:24 |
| Keybuk | it appears to have been done now though | 10:24 |
| Keybuk | it wasn't when I looked yesterday | 10:24 |
| fabbione | qh ok | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | yeah, that was done early on | 10:27 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I'm down with the initial translation run being done anytime after this publisher run is done, since my kernel builds will likely be out-of-band anyway. | 10:41 |
| infinity | And, the publisher just finished. | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | *sigh* | 11:19 |
| === Keybuk so can't remember how mom works | ||
| infinity | She just sits at home, does laundry, and watches Oprah while dad works, doesn't she? | 11:19 |
| infinity | At least, that sounds like my mom. | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | this is the first release cycle where she hasn't had a PMT attack, so I literally haven't touched her for sixth months! | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | we should let Hobbsee loose on the archive, if only to free up some disk space on casey :) | 11:41 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i knew about PMS attack.. PMT????? | 12:42 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: another word for PMS, I guess s/Stress/Tension/ | 12:43 |
| fabbione | syndrome ... yeah gotcha | 12:44 |
| fabbione | dict has a lot of interesting other definitions tho :) | 12:44 |
| cjwatson | infinity: are you the one accepting stuff? | 01:41 |
| cjwatson | infinity: note that debootstrap has some C programs in it | 01:42 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I am. | 01:42 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Don't mind so much, I'd just like to see it built and useable. | 01:42 |
| infinity | cjwatson: It'll get reuploaded at least once, I'm sure. :) | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | fair enough :) | 01:43 |
| jb-home | fabbione: The build hang is *tee* hanging. | 01:43 |
| jb-home | Whacked. | 01:43 |
| infinity | (Not accepting anything else, mind you) | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | infinity: just uploaded debhelper; you might want that | 01:44 |
| cjwatson | I'm skipping dpkg because (a) it's bloody hard to merge and iwj can do it and (b) it doesn't seem necessary | 01:44 |
| cjwatson | mind you, debhelper doesn't look like a huge deal either | 01:45 |
| jb-home | fabbione: Oh, I guess that makes sense since the children haven't exitted. | 01:45 |
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| jbailey | fabbione: Still around? /proc/##/wchan says that the process is sitting in do_exit | 02:20 |
| jbailey | Is there any way to tell where it is in that? | 02:21 |
| doko | fabbione: gcc-4.1 built on 2.4 at davis:gcc/4.1/ | 02:25 |
| lamont | jbailey: twisting like a baby in a slow flame? you sick puppy | 02:30 |
| jbailey | lamont: Eh? | 02:30 |
| jbailey | Oh. It's a quote from a Cult song called "edie" | 02:30 |
| lamont | 27-10-2006 06:17:36 -!- jb-home!n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca has left #ubuntu-toolchain ["Twisting like a flame in a slow dance, baby..."] | 02:30 |
| lamont | maybe I transposed a few words | 02:30 |
| jbailey | Perhaps. =) | 02:31 |
| jbailey | Although it's an incredibly depressing song. One of the ones I really enjoyed as a teenager. | 02:31 |
| fabbione | jbailey: i am here now. i did mail all of upstream. | 02:34 |
| fabbione | doko: it does?!?!?? | 02:34 |
| fabbione | doko: glibc-2.5? please doublecheck | 02:34 |
| doko | fabbione: I'm currently building in feisty-libc | 02:37 |
| fabbione | doko: ok... | 02:37 |
| fabbione | these Niagara failures are scary. i need to talk to david | 02:37 |
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| fabbione | lamont: ia64 is ok already as i told you | 02:38 |
| lamont | fabbione: right. must wake up. | 02:39 |
| fabbione | lamont: hppa we need to do some extra bootstrapping love but getting ready for it | 02:39 |
| lamont | and hppa has the signals, um, patch. plus bootstrapping | 02:39 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-toolchain:lamont] : STATUS: glibc: ppc busted | gcc: sparc busted | hppa: bootstrapping needed | ||
| fabbione | doko: looks good glibc.. dunno what to say | 02:39 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-toolchain:fabbione] : STATUS: glibc: ppc busted | hppa: bootstrapping needed | ||
| fabbione | so we only need ppc glibc | 02:40 |
| lamont | rock | 02:40 |
| fabbione | jbailey: anyway i did build a set of debs for ppc | 02:40 |
| fabbione | without running the test suite | 02:40 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Any thoughts on my debugging questiosn? | 02:40 |
| fabbione | no i have no idea. i did spoke with benh and he also believes it's a kenrel bug | 02:41 |
| fabbione | and he said that they were going to look at it very quickly | 02:41 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 02:41 |
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| fabbione | oh doko halt stop.. are we talking about davis??? or faure? | 03:12 |
| fabbione | i got confused now | 03:12 |
| fabbione | doko: there is also a feisty-libc chroot on davis with 2.5 | 03:12 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-toolchain:fabbione] : STATUS: glibc: ppc busted | gcc: sparc | hppa: bootstrapping needed | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-toolchain:fabbione] : STATUS: glibc: ppc busted | gcc: sparc busted| hppa: bootstrapping needed | ||
| fabbione | jbailey: btw i did also port the ubuntu patches to 2.5 so that's done. i assume all the other dirs are "ok" and we don't want to delta from them | 03:13 |
| jbailey | other dirs? | 03:14 |
| jbailey | You're scaring me. patches are in a pile of directories.. | 03:14 |
| fabbione | jbailey: in 2.4 we had an ubuntu directory for our own patches. | 03:23 |
| fabbione | i did port them to 2.5 (one only required) | 03:23 |
| fabbione | the other dirs.. with tons of patches... | 03:23 |
| fabbione | i am assuming we don't want to create a huge delta with Debian | 03:24 |
| fabbione | except for the documentation one | 03:24 |
| infinity | Ideally not. | 03:24 |
| fabbione | (removed from debian/patches/series only) | 03:24 |
| fabbione | infinity: exactly | 03:24 |
| doko | fabbione: davis | 03:30 |
| fabbione | doko: ok.. there is feisty there.. before i read faure... dunno why | 03:36 |
| BenC | no builds for linux-source-2.6.19? | 03:58 |
| infinity | BenC: No chroots (officially), so no build records, I'm playing with stuff manually. | 03:59 |
| infinity | I'm taking my time with some fiddling here and there, since I'm not opening anything until glibc and gcc happen anyway. | 04:00 |
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| doko | infinity, fabbione: is a test rebuild of the archive on sparc and powerpc possible, using the new toolchain? | 06:39 |
| Dvalin | busted? | 07:00 |
| Dvalin | what kind of status is "busted"? | 07:00 |
| Dvalin | is it good or bad? :p | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/busted | 07:01 |
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| Dvalin | okay | 07:16 |
| Dvalin | broken.. | 07:16 |
| fabbione | doko: sparc yes.. no idea for ppc | 07:30 |
| fabbione | doko: i could theoretically ppc here, but it's slow and i need the laptop | 07:32 |
| doko | fabbione: ok, do we have a dependency order, how to build? | 07:34 |
| fabbione | doko: yes. kernel first -> binutils or glibc (depends how much we care about hppa) -> gcc -> open gates | 07:34 |
| jbailey | fabbione: binutils is also for PT_GNU_HASH | 07:34 |
| fabbione | ok | 07:35 |
| fabbione | so kernel (that's already uploaded) -> binutils -> glibc -> gcc -> opengates | 07:35 |
| jbailey | so kernel -> binutils -> glibc -> gcc -> glibc -> binutils -> gcc -> open gates probably. | 07:35 |
| fabbione | yeah or something like that | 07:35 |
| doko | fabbione: no, long double ... 64 != 128 | 07:36 |
| doko | we have to be careful ... | 07:36 |
| doko | on sparc and powerpc | 07:36 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: btw. why do you build for sparcv8 and not sparcv9 when sparcv8 isn't supported (~broken?) anyways? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | Dvalin: that was David request to do it that way | 07:55 |
| Dvalin | dunno what additional optimizations one could actually really aquire in real world by building for sparcv9, but seems odd to me.. | 07:55 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: hmm, okay, but any reasoning behind it? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | i don't recall | 07:56 |
| fabbione | it was something done a year ago | 07:56 |
| Dvalin | for Mandriva I was thinking of trying to keep a pure sparcv9 (sparc32plus v8+ abi) for consistency, maintainability and performancewise | 07:56 |
| Dvalin | also wouldn't a more precise target be sparcvX-blabla-linux-gnu than sparc-blabla-linux-gnu? | 07:56 |
| Dvalin | if for nothing else, consitency and clarity of actual platform.. | 07:57 |
| fabbione | Dvalin: you are really talking to the wrong guy :) i am not the gcc expert | 07:57 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: well, you're still the sparc guy, and uh.. we're in tthe chan for gcc experts, soo, doko? :) | 07:58 |
| Dvalin | also, was it a decission pre or post 2.6 (sparc32 ~brokenness)? | 07:58 |
| fabbione | Dvalin: sparc is a supported arch.. everybody contributes to it.. not just me.. i am the one that goes around trashing people testicles to get stuff fixed | 07:58 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: sparcv7? | 07:58 |
| fabbione | we did never support sparc32 from the beginning | 07:59 |
| Dvalin | yes | 07:59 |
| Dvalin | that's why I refer to sparcv9 as more consistent/precise target than sparc (as it's ~known as sparcv7) | 07:59 |
| fabbione | Dvalin: i don't have any energy left today.. neither for sparc or for me :) | 08:00 |
| Dvalin | (keep in mind, I'm speaking of lack of knowledge, this might be obvious to the rest of you, but educational for me, aka: don't get annoyed;) | 08:00 |
| fabbione | let's look at it tomorrow or monday | 08:00 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: yeah.. I didn't neither | 08:00 |
| Dvalin | my concerta was ending | 08:00 |
| Dvalin | but then I had some tequilas | 08:01 |
| fabbione | sorry but i am really just way too tired to focus | 08:01 |
| Dvalin | and shared a puffpuff with my gf.. then I got excited ;) | 08:01 |
| fabbione | between release yesterday and other stuff | 08:01 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: I totally understand you :) | 08:01 |
| Dvalin | (as pointed out earlier, I might be some sporadic/erradic/hyperactive;) | 08:01 |
| fabbione | we noticed :) | 08:02 |
| Dvalin | (note to everyone than fabbione, so people will not get *that* easily annoyed for me being annoying.. adhd..) | 08:02 |
| Dvalin | fabbione: good :) | 08:02 |
| Dvalin | I hate to come by channels, asking questions I've actually done some rtfm and then feeling like a total retard since it's so obvious to everyone else, especially when I'm hubahubaadhdboy | 08:03 |
| Dvalin | =) | 08:05 |
| Dvalin | btw. | 08:05 |
| Dvalin | are ubuntu involved in the EDOS project? | 08:05 |
| Dvalin | (I know niemeyer was when being onboard with us) | 08:05 |
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