[12:23] <cjwatson> Listing ubuntu/feisty (DONE) 0/0
[12:23] <cjwatson> y'all are slackers
[12:23] <cjwatson> :-)
[12:45] <doko_> cjwatson: is edgy-updates open?
[12:45] <doko_> or -proposed ...
[03:00] <infinity> So, what's the status of toolchain mangling, kids?
[03:00] <infinity> Anyone have uploads ready for me?
[03:29] <doko_> yes, for edgy-updates; sparc has problems
[03:48] <jb-home> doko, fabbione: Whenever you guys wake up.  I'm going to patch glibc such that it build-dep's on linux-libc-dev 2.6.19.  Some defines went away, so I'll patch glibc to have them directly (and submit the patch upstream)
[03:51] <infinity> jb-home: So, am I going to do a manual bootstrap to get glibc in place, then do the rest of the toolchain (and kernel), then we'll upload glibc again with the correct build-dep?
[03:51] <jb-home> infinity: Eh, you're awake earlier than expected. =)
[03:51] <infinity> It's almost noon...
[03:51] <jb-home> glibc doesn't build without it.
[03:52] <jb-home> So I'd start with the kernel upload.
[03:52] <jb-home> I suggested that to Ben, and he doesn't want people usng the kernel, so wouldn't update linux-meta.
[03:52] <infinity> Oh, yeah, starting with the kernel seems sane, since it should build fine regardless.
[03:52] <jb-home> Right.
[03:52] <infinity> Do we have a kernel upload for me?
[03:52] <jb-home> Best to poke BenC.  He has one that he was using to give us linux-libc-dev .debs from.
[03:53] <infinity> Woo.
[03:53] <infinity> BenC: How quickly can I get that linux-source-2.6.19 in edgy?
[03:53] <infinity> feisty, even.
[03:53] <infinity> That's going to take some brain mangling.
[03:53] <infinity> feisty, feisty, feisty.
[03:53] <infinity> I wonder how many changelogs I'll mess up in the first month...
[03:54] <BenC> I can upload tonight
[03:54] <infinity> Where "tonight" = ?
[03:54] <BenC> withing a few hours
[03:54] <infinity> Cool.  Should do.
[03:54] <BenC> want me to get on it?
[03:54] <infinity> Please. :)
[03:56] <BenC> there's no lrm, and not touching linux-meta, and don't suggest to anyone to install it :)
[03:56] <jb-home> infinity: It's only bad because you have the rights to approve uploads to edgy, don't you? =)
[03:56] <BenC> I don't have all the third-party drivers in place yet
[03:58] <doko_> jb-home: I can disable double-128 for sparc for now, but we shouldn't open the archive before we can fix that
[03:59] <jb-home> doko_: Right, it seems like it's just a patch missing from the backport, yes?
[03:59] <doko_> jb-home: tell me which one ...
[03:59] <jb-home> =)
[04:00] <jb-home> Considering I had trouble *reading* the bloody assertion that was tripping...
[04:00] <doko_> I'm currently trying to work around the C++ regressions, (fixes of accepts-invalid-code :-/ )
[04:01] <doko_> yeah, and davem doesn't know either
[04:03] <jb-home> Does it happen with pristine CVS?
[04:04] <infinity> jb-home: s/edgy/feisty/ in the above?
[04:04] <doko_> jb-home: 4.1 doesn't support double-128, 4.2 does
[04:04] <infinity> Anyhow, if all the above babble is telling me we're not ready for the bootstrap, I can hold off.
[04:04] <infinity> I have other stuff to do right now anyway.
[04:04] <doko_> interim solution: make 4.2 the default on sparc and let fabbione fix the fallout bugs =)
[04:05] <jb-home> infinity: No.  As in, it's bad if you type edgy in the changelog, because you have launchpad god rights.  You can accidentally make it go through. =)
[04:05] <infinity> BenC: But please, do get us the kernel upload soonish, so when jeff and doko are ready, we're good to go with linux-libc-dev.
[04:05] <jb-home> infinity: re: hppa...
[04:05] <BenC> infinity: on its way, at 30k/sec, so give it some time
[04:05] <infinity> jb-home: I'd have to put edgy back in "development" before I could do that, which would be a lot of effort to work around a typo.
[04:05] <jb-home> infinity: Are there feisty chroots there based off of dapper?
[04:06] <infinity> jb-home: There are no chroots for any arch, but yes, there will be an hppa/feisty chroot that's essentially a dapper chroot.
[04:06] <doko_> jb-home: just ronne/i386
[04:06] <infinity> (No chroots intentionally, so uploads don't trigger builds accidentally)
[04:06] <jb-home> infinity: Cool.  So with any luck, it'll give us the kernel headers there.
[04:06] <infinity> Assuming linux-2.6.19 can build on dapper, yeah.
[04:07] <infinity> If not, this'll be a fun ride.
[04:07] <jb-home> Oh, which it certainly can't.  Forgot about that.
[04:07] <jb-home> Although I can tell you which pieces need to be built. =)
[04:07] <infinity> If the only thing we need to pull in is linux-libc-dev, and one of you has already bootstrapped that on hppa, I'm all for cheating.
[04:08] <jb-home> I have all the basic stuff to do it, just need Ben's source package.
[04:08] <infinity> Okay, cool.
[04:08] <infinity> I'm less concerned about hppa today anyway.
[04:08] <infinity> But if we can squeeze it in here and there and make it happen, cool.
[04:55] <BenC> infinity, jb-home: 5 more minutes to upload completion
[04:56] <infinity> BenC: \o/
[04:56] <infinity> Thanks, dude.
[04:56] <infinity> Were Fabio's "The headers are so busted that the kernel's scripts/ directory can't even be compiled against the new linuc-libc-dev" concerns addressed? :)
[04:57] <BenC> yep, retested today with latest git
[04:57] <infinity> Awesome.  Thanks.
[05:02] <BenC> done
[05:02] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:03] <BenC> hey fabbione
[05:03] <fabbione> so what's the situation now?
[05:03] <fabbione> new kernel is up?
[05:03] <jb-home> Hola Fabbione!
[05:04] <fabbione> jb-home: glibc still doesn't build on ppc
[05:07] <doko> fabbione: see the reply from davem, that's our major sparc problem
[05:07] <fabbione> doko: is that long-double thing REALLY required ?
[05:07] <fabbione> doko: i am going trough my emails right now...
[05:09] <fabbione> jb-home: did you commit that patch?
[05:09] <doko> fabbione: yes, see PR28701
[05:09] <jb-home> fabbione: No, I went to eat dinner. =)
[05:10] <fabbione> doko: url?
[05:10] <fabbione> jb-home: ok
[05:10] <fabbione> jb-home: i am going to try to build glibc on ppc32
[05:10] <jb-home> fabbione: Starting by build now.
[05:10] <fabbione> but that will take some time
[05:10] <doko> fabbione: http://gcc.gnu.org/PR...
[05:10] <jb-home> The patch commits, anyway.
[05:10] <jb-home> I think this thing usually takes about 20 minutes to build.
[05:11] <jb-home> doko: oh, is that the shortcut?  I can never remember it. =)
[05:12] <BenC> infinity: got the NEW for l-s-2.6.19
[05:13] <fabbione> jb-home: we also still need to port the ubuntu locale patches to 2.5. in theory they could wait for the second upload..
[05:14] <doko> jb-home: what was Alzheimers first name?
[05:14] <jb-home> doko: Is "I don't remember" a good answer? =)
[05:14] <jb-home> fabbione: They didn't apply cleanly?  I thought I had seen them in the patch set.
[05:15] <fabbione> jb-home: i didn't even look at debian/patches YET
[05:15] <fabbione> you know.. been doing only a merge for 8 hours or so
[05:15] <doko> jb-home: yeah, ...
[05:16] <fabbione> ppc32 fired up
[05:22] <fabbione> doko: when is gcc-4.2 due to?
[05:22] <doko> just branched
[05:22] <doko> no release date
[05:23] <fabbione> what does that mean in gcc world usually?
[05:23] <fabbione> 3 months? 20 months?
[05:30] <doko> maybe 3, maybe 5 months
[05:30] <fabbione> wow...
[05:31] <fabbione> jb-home: building glibc on ppc32 basically froze my entire machines except the ssh sessione where it's building
[05:31] <jb-home> fabbione: Fucked kernel?
[05:31] <fabbione> jb-home: possibly.. 
[05:31] <fabbione> Linux daltanius 2.6.19-1-powerpc #1 Mon Oct 23 05:18:52 CEST 2006 ppc
[05:31] <fabbione> it's rc2
[05:34] <fabbione> infinity: feisty doesn't exists on the mirrors yet?
[05:38] <fabbione> doko: i dunno what to do with gcc... i have no idea what to look for and so on..
[05:38] <infinity> It won't until something is published in it, I susect.
[05:38] <fabbione> should we go for 4.2 branch for all arches?
[05:38] <infinity> Woo, the queue tool still defaults to edgy.
[05:38] <infinity> \o/
[05:38] <BenC> will new gcc build hppa kernels yet?
[05:39] <fabbione> BenC: yes. 4.1 should do
[05:39] <fabbione> we don't know yet if they will boot, but to start with, it's enough it builds :)
[05:39] <infinity> Although, hrm, I'd expect something to be published by now...
[05:39] <infinity> Maybe the publisher hasn't been run since the import.
[05:39] <infinity> Feh.
[05:39] <infinity> No Team Soyuz around to confirm which step we're at.
[05:40] <infinity> I may have to wait until malcc wakes up before I start this dance.
[05:40] <fabbione> infinity: don't sweat it... glibc and gcc are not ready yet
[05:40] <infinity> Kay.  I'll get the kernel building as soon as I have malcc's okay, at least.
[05:40] <fabbione> infinity: yeps...
[05:40] <infinity> hppa will have to wait, of course, cause it'll need manual love, but the other 5 should work, right?
[05:40] <fabbione> not yet
[05:41] <infinity> BenC: On which arches will the kernel actually build? :)
[05:41] <BenC> should build on all
[05:41] <fabbione> infinity: all of them.. i did test build on all 6 a couple of days ago
[05:41] <infinity> Even hppa/dapper?
[05:41] <fabbione> hppa will need edgy kernel-package and kernel-wedge otherwise it should be good
[05:41] <infinity> (I suspect that will require love)
[05:41] <infinity> Ahh, that's it?  Cool.
[05:41] <fabbione> yes
[05:42] <infinity> I can manage that.
[05:42] <fabbione> the resulting kernel will NOT boot
[05:42] <fabbione> but it will build
[05:42] <infinity> Booting is not critcal, getting linux-libc-dev is.
[05:42] <fabbione> BenC: i assume you did pull also my changes to debian/d-i/ for ia64 and hppa, right?
[05:42] <fabbione> i didn't notice the commit logs after that depatch-repatch
[05:43] <BenC> fabbione: yep
[05:43] <fabbione> that should do
[05:43] <fabbione> if nothing drastic changed in the meantime
[05:51] <jb-home> Looks like I got the patch to build with the 2.6.19 headers right enough this time.
[05:54] <infinity> "right enough"
[05:55] <jb-home> infinity: As in, the build didn't fail.
[05:55] <jb-home> Not that I've reduced the patch to the set that I would expect to get past drepper.
[06:00] <fabbione> doko: <fabbione> should we go for 4.2 branch for all arches?
[06:01] <jb-home> Eh, no.
[06:01] <jb-home> Having the merge be done with 4.2 in it's current state would almost certainly mean a rebuild after something crazy was discovered.
[06:01] <jb-home> They only branched what, a week ago?  maybe two?
[06:01] <fabbione> fun :)
[06:02] <jb-home> If we were sane and kept the results of the rebuild at the end for publishing, I'd say go for it.
[06:02] <jb-home> But I'd also track glibc-2.6 actively through the release.
[06:03] <fabbione> jb-home: that's MV spec (glibc-2.6 tracking).. we could start packaging it immediatly together with gcc-4.2 and use them offbw for some crazy rebuild.. we would have feisty+1 toolchain ready at the same moment it opens
[06:06] <jb-home> fabbione: By spec for the last two release, we're supposed to have had places to upload toolchains and the ability to do test rebuilds.
[06:06] <jb-home> Hard to get enthusiastic for that a third go 'round.
[06:07] <fabbione> jb-home: well let's put this way ... with my addition to the toolchain slackers, at least i have enough CPU power at home to do main once in a while for all arches
[06:07] <jb-home> fabbione: Ah, are you officially added to the crew now? =)
[06:08] <fabbione> jb-home: didn't you add me to the team?
[06:08] <jb-home> Yeah.  You just hadn't acknowledged it before. =) 
[06:08] <fabbione> yeah yeah... whatever you say.. i am committing to glibc for fun :)
[06:14] <jb-home> fabbione: Do you remember on which test she zombie'd out?
[06:14] <fabbione> ppc ?
[06:15] <jb-home> Yeah.
[06:15] <fabbione> no, and i just started a build on davis disabling the test suite
[06:15] <fabbione> you are late by 30 secs or so
[06:15] <jb-home> Late how?
[06:15] <jb-home> No build logs?
[06:16] <fabbione> late with me doing ./debian/rules clean && rm ../*.build
[06:16] <jb-home> Ah.
[06:16] <jb-home> I'm just curious if I've passed that point already or not.
[06:16] <fabbione> don't worry.. i can rebuild running the test suite and claim that i thought i was using my machine
[06:16] <fabbione> hostnames are very similar :)
[06:17] <jb-home> davis versus datbloodppcbox?
[06:17] <fabbione> well get to the debs .. there might be an error in sysdeps/powerpc.mk anyway for the headers install in ppc64
[06:17] <jb-home> bloody. even.
[06:17] <fabbione> davis versus daltanius
[06:17] <fabbione> you know.. tab completion shit
[06:17] <fabbione> i blame bash and its maintainer ;)
[06:18] <fabbione> it means that in case i will never get root on ANY of the DC machines, but i don't think that will ever happen anyway
[06:18] <jb-home> Eh, why don't I have any swap on my box...
[06:18] <jb-home> Oh I see the problem you were describing.
[06:18] <jb-home> So it doesn't actually stop the build at all.
[06:19] <fabbione> are you getting Zombies?
[06:19] <fabbione> Zl to be exact
[06:19] <jb-home> 23241 jbailey   21   0     0    0    0 Z   95  0.0   3:17.46 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23103 jbailey   16   0     0    0    0 Z   13  0.0   0:40.09 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23159 jbailey   16   0     0    0    0 Z   13  0.0   0:32.74 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23196 jbailey   16   0     0    0    0 Z   13  0.0   0:28.47 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23120 jbailey   16   0     0    0    0 Z   13  0.0   0:36.73 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23139 jbailey   16   0     0    0    0 Z   13  0.0   0:33.48 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23176 jbailey   16   0     0    0    0 Z   13  0.0   0:29.87 ld.so.1 <defunct>  
[06:19] <jb-home> 23216 jbailey   21   0     0    0    0 Z   12  0.0   0:29.16 ld.so.1 <defunct> 
[06:19] <fabbione> yeps
[06:19] <fabbione> i am still not getting them on ppc32 kernel
[06:20] <fabbione> well at a certain point the testsuite will hang
[06:20] <fabbione> it won't take long from there
[06:20] <jb-home> Swap: 19531232k total,        0k used, 19531232k free,  1398728k cached
[06:20] <jb-home> Much better.
[06:20] <fabbione> * tim (n=tim@carl-sgc-sg-1.inter-touch.net) has joined #canonical
[06:20] <fabbione> who is he?
[06:20] <fabbione> ops.. ECHAN
[06:21] <jb-home> fabbione: You're one of thoses detectives that work for HP, aren't you?
[06:21] <fabbione> ehhehe
[06:22] <jb-home> So hmm.  Are those zombied because of a bug in glibc, the kernel, or upstart?
[06:23] <fabbione> those are spawned by glibc build so i can't think of anything upstart related.
[06:24] <fabbione> i am trying to exclude the kernel, building on ppc32
[06:24] <jb-home> They're parented to 1
[06:24] <jb-home> So wouldn't that mean they might be hanging around for not having SIG..CHLD? acknowledged by upstart?
[06:24] <jb-home> Especially since they appear to be spinning?
[06:24] <jb-home> Or using up CPU time somehow?
[06:24] <fabbione> hmm
[06:25] <fabbione> no i exclude upstart.. davis is running dapper
[06:25] <fabbione> and i could reproduce it there
[06:25] <fabbione> and it's running 2.6.15.x
[06:25] <fabbione> compared to .17 on your box perhaps?
[06:26] <jb-home> Yeah, I'm current edgy from 2 days ago or so.
[06:27] <fabbione> right.. so am i
[06:27] <jb-home> kill -9 won't take it out, so it's not a userspace problem.
[06:28] <fabbione> as i told you yesterday you need a hard reboot of the box
[06:29] <fabbione> brb
[06:29] <jb-home> Bedtime soon for me.
[06:30] <jb-home> I'll try asking Steve Munroe from IBM tomorrow.
[06:32] <jb-home> fabbione: It made it through the nptl tests, which is where I would've expected permanent problems if nothing else.
[06:33] <fabbione> jb-home: since it doesn't take too long to build there, could you please get it to the deb before you head to bed?
[06:33] <jb-home> fabbione: It's working it's way through now.
[06:33] <fabbione> ok
[06:34] <fabbione> i am running 2 builds here: full on ppc32 and without test suite on ppc64
[06:34] <jb-home> But with a zombie taking up 98% of one CPU, and a collectiong of others fihting for the second one, it's not going quickly.
[06:34] <fabbione> so what i would suggest is:
[06:34] <jb-home> In the meantime I'll commit the build fix.
[06:34] <fabbione> if ppc32 builds fine without zombies and ppc64 goes trough, we look at the tests results from ppc32 and upload temporary disabling the test suite
[06:34] <fabbione> (assuming the results are good enough)
[06:35] <jb-home> Errr...
[06:35] <jb-home> I'd *really* rather talk to Steve first.
[06:35] <fabbione> well that can be parallelized :)
[06:35] <fabbione> it's not going to happen before monday anyway
[06:35] <jb-home> What part of "first" can be parallelized? =)
[06:36] <fabbione> our test build can parallelize with you talking with Steve :)
[06:36] <jb-home> Lovely, I've commited that.  Builds will now demand newer linux-libc-devs than edgy has.
[06:37] <jb-home> And it's 00h36, time for sleep.
[06:37] <jb-home> See y'all.
[06:37] <fabbione> night jeff
[07:06] <fabbione> jb-home: it hangs on ppc32 too
[07:06] <fabbione> F U C K
[07:07] <fabbione> davis did build without testsuite but clearly that's NOT good
[07:58] <fabbione> jb-home, infinity: mailed all the ppc hackers for glibc issue.. let see what happens
[09:50] <fabbione> BenC: latest git is FTBFS on ppc 
[09:51] <fabbione> oh nevermind
[09:51] <fabbione> it's Olaf patch
[09:58] <fabbione> jb-home: portforwarded the patches from glibc-2.4 
[09:58] <fabbione> so we should be good with that
[10:01] <cjwatson> doko: edgy-{proposed,updates} are open as of edgy release; follow StableReleaseUpdates as usual
[10:02] <infinity> (open and functional, even)
[10:04] <cjwatson> infinity: publisher should've been run since i-f-p happened ...
[10:04] <infinity> cjwatson: Should've, as in "you think it has", or as in "why hasn't it"?
[10:04] <infinity> cjwatson: I've been waiting for malcc to show up to give me a status report.
[10:05] <cjwatson> $ ls ubuntu/dists/feisty/
[10:05] <cjwatson> Release  Release.gpg  main  multiverse  restricted  universe
[10:05] <cjwatson> can't see what else would've put that there. :-)
[10:05] <infinity> Yeah, fair point. :)
[10:05] <infinity> (I thought someone said that wasn't there earlier..)
[10:05] <infinity> Well, then, I guess we can NEW the kernel, and I can work on getting it building.
[10:05] <cjwatson> at this point I'm happy to turn the cron job back on
[10:05] <infinity> Also, the queue tool still defaults to edgy.  Fun.
[10:06] <cjwatson> now done
[10:06] <cjwatson> yeah, I noticed that
[10:06] <cjwatson> I wonder if that's because feisty is EXPERIMENTAL not DEVELOPMENT
[10:06] <infinity> Could be.  Why is it, anyway?
[10:06] <infinity> I'll happily change it.
[10:07] <infinity> I thought EXPERIMENTAL was meant to only exist if there was *also* a DEVELOPMENT release.
[10:07] <infinity> (And, afaik, we've never actually used it for anything)
[10:07] <cjwatson> right
[10:07] <fabbione> i suggest you feisty in frozen
[10:07] <fabbione> till we bootstrap the toolchain
[10:07] <infinity> I'm down with that idea.
[10:07] <cjwatson> that will work for queue too
[10:07] <fabbione> infinity: it wasn't on the mirror a couple of hours ago
[10:08] <infinity> There, it's frozen now.
[10:08] <cjwatson> queue (and everything in launchpad that does Distribution.currentrelease) tries FROZEN, DEVELOPMENT, CURRENT in that order
[10:08] <cjwatson> and if there isn't one of those then it just picks the first one
[10:08] <infinity> cjwatson: Err, did you already NEW the kernel?
[10:08] <infinity> Oh, feh.  The changes list is empty.
[10:08] <cjwatson> infinity: no
[10:09] <cjwatson> does feisty-changes exist yet?
[10:09] <cjwatson> it didn't last night
[10:09] <infinity> Yes.
[10:09] <cjwatson> wait until I subscribe? :-)
[10:09] <cjwatson> not that I'm a sad completist or anything
[10:09] <infinity> Be quick. :)
[10:09] <infinity> Okay, NOW it's frozen (and has a changes list)
[10:11] <infinity> cjwatson: Subscribed yet, huh, huh? :)
[10:11] <cjwatson> BenC: you seem to have gone back to native packaging rather than .diff.gz ...?
[10:12] <fabbione> cjwatson: yes it's an -rc..
[10:12] <fabbione> no point to go .diff.gz
[10:12] <fabbione> i guess he will switch with .19 final
[10:12] <cjwatson> infinity: yes. :-)
[10:12] <cjwatson> fabbione: ah
[10:12] <fabbione> cjwatson: this upload is only to bootstrap
[10:12] <fabbione> not for use
[10:13] <cjwatson> I know
[10:14] <infinity> Well, she's accepted.
[10:14] <infinity> Now I get to play.
[10:16] <Keybuk> doesn't that need a toolchain? :p
[10:16] <infinity> Oh, I remember what I wanted to ask malcc (he says, 2 minutes after the publisher starts)...
[10:17] <infinity> cjwatson: Are we sure the dsync changes got made, so we don't keep altering edgy?
[10:17] <infinity> Keybuk: linux-libc-dev is the first bit of the chain that we want.
[10:18] <Keybuk> ahh
[10:18] <Keybuk> of course
[10:18] <Keybuk> I'd forgotten about that
[10:18] <cjwatson> infinity: yes
[10:18] <cjwatson> malcc commented out link-dups; we have a better solution in testing
[10:18] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, good.  I didn't want to have to test how well the publisher deals with a SIGINT.
[10:19] <cjwatson> hah
[10:19] <cjwatson> we made sure of this before creating feisty. :)
[10:21] <cjwatson> Keybuk: carlos wants to start up feisty translations before we do the first big auto-sync, if possible
[10:21] <cjwatson> which requires downing launchpad for a few hours
[10:21] <fabbione> cjwatson: we don't have glibc yet.. so that shouldn't be an issue
[10:22] <Keybuk> cjwatson: that's ok
[10:22] <fabbione> jb-home and I think we will need a new kernel on ppc buildd to let glibc build
[10:23] <Keybuk> we also need to sync edgy -> feisty before I'll do the unstable -> feisty one ;P
[10:23] <Keybuk> and that needs a toolchain
[10:23] <fabbione> edgy -> feisty?
[10:23] <fabbione> isn't that done automatically when they "clone" edgy into feisty?
[10:24] <Keybuk> apparently not
[10:24] <Keybuk> it appears to have been done now though
[10:24] <Keybuk> it wasn't when I looked yesterday
[10:24] <fabbione> qh ok
[10:27] <cjwatson> yeah, that was done early on
[10:41] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm down with the initial translation run being done anytime after this publisher run is done, since my kernel builds will likely be out-of-band anyway.
[10:42] <infinity> And, the publisher just finished.
[11:19] <Keybuk> *sigh*
[11:19] <infinity> She just sits at home, does laundry, and watches Oprah while dad works, doesn't she?
[11:19] <infinity> At least, that sounds like my mom.
[11:19] <Keybuk> this is the first release cycle where she hasn't had a PMT attack, so I literally haven't touched her for sixth months!
[11:41] <Keybuk> we should let Hobbsee loose on the archive, if only to free up some disk space on casey :)
[12:42] <fabbione> Keybuk: i knew about PMS attack.. PMT?????
[12:43] <Keybuk> fabbione: another word for PMS, I guess s/Stress/Tension/
[12:44] <fabbione> syndrome ... yeah gotcha
[12:44] <fabbione> dict has a lot of interesting other definitions tho :)
[01:41] <cjwatson> infinity: are you the one accepting stuff?
[01:42] <cjwatson> infinity: note that debootstrap has some C programs in it
[01:42] <infinity> cjwatson: I am.
[01:42] <infinity> cjwatson: Don't mind so much, I'd just like to see it built and useable.
[01:43] <infinity> cjwatson: It'll get reuploaded at least once, I'm sure. :)
[01:43] <cjwatson> fair enough :)
[01:43] <jb-home> fabbione: The build hang is *tee* hanging.
[01:43] <jb-home> Whacked.
[01:43] <infinity> (Not accepting anything else, mind you)
[01:44] <cjwatson> infinity: just uploaded debhelper; you might want that
[01:44] <cjwatson> I'm skipping dpkg because (a) it's bloody hard to merge and iwj can do it and (b) it doesn't seem necessary
[01:45] <cjwatson> mind you, debhelper doesn't look like a huge deal either
[01:45] <jb-home> fabbione: Oh, I guess that makes sense since the children haven't exitted.
[02:20] <jbailey> fabbione: Still around?  /proc/##/wchan says that the process is sitting in do_exit
[02:21] <jbailey> Is there any way to tell where it is in that?
[02:25] <doko> fabbione: gcc-4.1 built on 2.4 at davis:gcc/4.1/
[02:30] <lamont> jbailey: twisting like a baby in a slow flame?  you sick puppy
[02:30] <jbailey> lamont: Eh?
[02:30] <jbailey> Oh.  It's a quote from a Cult song called "edie"
[02:30] <lamont> 27-10-2006 06:17:36 -!- jb-home!n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca has left #ubuntu-toolchain ["Twisting like a flame in a slow dance, baby..."] 
[02:30] <lamont> maybe I transposed a few words
[02:31] <jbailey> Perhaps. =)
[02:31] <jbailey> Although it's an incredibly depressing song.  One of the ones I really enjoyed as a teenager.
[02:34] <fabbione> jbailey: i am here now. i did mail all of upstream.
[02:34] <fabbione> doko: it does?!?!??
[02:34] <fabbione> doko: glibc-2.5? please doublecheck
[02:37] <doko> fabbione: I'm currently building in feisty-libc
[02:37] <fabbione> doko: ok...
[02:37] <fabbione> these Niagara failures are scary. i need to talk to david
[02:38] <fabbione> lamont: ia64 is ok already as i told you
[02:39] <lamont> fabbione: right.  must wake up.
[02:39] <fabbione> lamont: hppa we need to do some extra bootstrapping love but getting ready for it
[02:39] <lamont> and hppa has the signals, um, patch.  plus bootstrapping
[02:39] <fabbione> doko: looks good glibc.. dunno what to say
[02:40] <fabbione> so we only need ppc glibc
[02:40] <lamont> rock
[02:40] <fabbione> jbailey: anyway i did build a set of debs for ppc
[02:40] <fabbione> without running the test suite
[02:40] <jbailey> fabbione: Any thoughts on my debugging questiosn?
[02:41] <fabbione> no i have no idea. i did spoke with benh and he also believes it's a kenrel bug
[02:41] <fabbione> and he said that they were going to look at it very quickly
[02:41] <jbailey> Cool.
[03:12] <fabbione> oh doko halt stop.. are we talking about davis??? or faure?
[03:12] <fabbione> i got confused now
[03:12] <fabbione> doko: there is also a feisty-libc chroot on davis with 2.5
[03:13] <fabbione> jbailey: btw i did also port the ubuntu patches to 2.5 so that's done. i assume all the other dirs are "ok" and we don't want to delta from them
[03:14] <jbailey> other dirs?
[03:14] <jbailey> You're scaring me. patches are in a pile of directories..
[03:23] <fabbione> jbailey: in 2.4 we had an ubuntu directory for our own patches.
[03:23] <fabbione> i did port them to 2.5 (one only required)
[03:23] <fabbione> the other dirs.. with tons of patches...
[03:24] <fabbione> i am assuming we don't want to create a huge delta with Debian
[03:24] <fabbione> except for the documentation one
[03:24] <infinity> Ideally not.
[03:24] <fabbione> (removed from debian/patches/series only)
[03:24] <fabbione> infinity: exactly
[03:30] <doko> fabbione: davis
[03:36] <fabbione> doko: ok.. there is feisty there.. before i read faure... dunno why
[03:58] <BenC> no builds for linux-source-2.6.19?
[03:59] <infinity> BenC: No chroots (officially), so no build records, I'm playing with stuff manually.
[04:00] <infinity> I'm taking my time with some fiddling here and there, since I'm not opening anything until glibc and gcc happen anyway.
[06:39] <doko> infinity, fabbione: is a test rebuild of the archive on sparc and powerpc possible, using the new toolchain?
[07:00] <Dvalin> busted?
[07:00] <Dvalin> what kind of status is "busted"?
[07:00] <Dvalin> is it good or bad? :p
[07:01] <Keybuk> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/busted
[07:16] <Dvalin> okay
[07:16] <Dvalin> broken..
[07:30] <fabbione> doko: sparc yes.. no idea for ppc
[07:32] <fabbione> doko: i could theoretically ppc here, but it's slow and i need the laptop
[07:34] <doko> fabbione: ok, do we have a dependency order, how to build?
[07:34] <fabbione> doko: yes. kernel first -> binutils or glibc (depends how much we care about hppa) -> gcc -> open gates
[07:34] <jbailey> fabbione: binutils is also for PT_GNU_HASH
[07:35] <fabbione> ok
[07:35] <fabbione> so kernel (that's already uploaded) -> binutils -> glibc -> gcc -> opengates
[07:35] <jbailey> so kernel -> binutils -> glibc -> gcc -> glibc -> binutils -> gcc -> open gates probably.
[07:35] <fabbione> yeah or something like that
[07:36] <doko> fabbione: no, long double ... 64 != 128 
[07:36] <doko> we have to be careful ...
[07:36] <doko> on sparc and powerpc
[07:55] <Dvalin> fabbione: btw. why do you build for sparcv8 and not sparcv9 when sparcv8 isn't supported (~broken?) anyways?
[07:55] <fabbione> Dvalin: that was David request to do it that way
[07:55] <Dvalin> dunno what additional optimizations one could actually really aquire in real world by building for sparcv9, but seems odd to me..
[07:55] <Dvalin> fabbione: hmm, okay, but any reasoning behind it?
[07:56] <fabbione> i don't recall
[07:56] <fabbione> it was something done a year ago
[07:56] <Dvalin> for Mandriva I was thinking of trying to keep a pure sparcv9 (sparc32plus v8+ abi) for consistency, maintainability and performancewise
[07:56] <Dvalin> also wouldn't a more precise target be sparcvX-blabla-linux-gnu than sparc-blabla-linux-gnu?
[07:57] <Dvalin> if for nothing else, consitency and clarity of actual platform..
[07:57] <fabbione> Dvalin: you are really talking to the wrong guy :) i am not the gcc expert 
[07:58] <Dvalin> fabbione: well, you're still the sparc guy, and uh.. we're in tthe chan for gcc experts, soo, doko? :)
[07:58] <Dvalin> also, was it a decission pre or post 2.6 (sparc32 ~brokenness)?
[07:58] <fabbione> Dvalin: sparc is a supported arch.. everybody contributes to it.. not just me.. i am the one that goes around trashing people testicles to get stuff fixed
[07:58] <Dvalin> fabbione: sparcv7?
[07:59] <fabbione> we did never support sparc32 from the beginning
[07:59] <Dvalin> yes
[07:59] <Dvalin> that's why I refer to sparcv9 as more consistent/precise target than sparc (as it's ~known as sparcv7)
[08:00] <fabbione> Dvalin: i don't have any energy left today.. neither for sparc or for me :)
[08:00] <Dvalin> (keep in mind, I'm speaking of lack of knowledge, this might be obvious to the rest of you, but educational for me, aka: don't get annoyed;)
[08:00] <fabbione> let's look at it tomorrow or monday
[08:00] <Dvalin> fabbione: yeah.. I didn't neither
[08:00] <Dvalin> my concerta was ending
[08:01] <Dvalin> but then I had some tequilas
[08:01] <fabbione> sorry but i am really just way too tired to focus
[08:01] <Dvalin> and shared a puffpuff with my gf.. then I got excited ;)
[08:01] <fabbione> between release yesterday and other stuff
[08:01] <Dvalin> fabbione: I totally understand you :)
[08:01] <Dvalin> (as pointed out earlier, I might be some sporadic/erradic/hyperactive;)
[08:02] <fabbione> we noticed :)
[08:02] <Dvalin> (note to everyone than fabbione, so people will not get *that* easily annoyed for me being annoying.. adhd..)
[08:02] <Dvalin> fabbione: good :)
[08:03] <Dvalin> I hate to come by channels, asking questions I've actually done some rtfm and then feeling like a total retard since it's so obvious to everyone else, especially when I'm hubahubaadhdboy
[08:05] <Dvalin> =)
[08:05] <Dvalin> btw.
[08:05] <Dvalin> are ubuntu involved in the EDOS project?
[08:05] <Dvalin> (I know niemeyer was when being onboard with us)