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pips1 | During upgrade, I'm asked if I want to replace conf file /etc/login.defs ... I don't remember ever touching that file, so I suppose I should choose to have it replaced, right? | 12:36 |
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pips1 | Hmm, now I'm asked about the /etc/exports file | 01:05 |
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pips1 | :-/ | 01:05 |
pips1 | now debconf is stuck | 01:08 |
pips1 | ... in configuring nfs-kernel-server | 01:09 |
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slonbg | hi. i have 6.06 edubuntu. can i upgrade to 6.10 with update-manager -c, as per ubuntu docs, or I have to do something else. i tried with update-manager, but it tried remove a lot of packages, one of which was edubuntu-server, so i canceled it | 02:13 |
LaserJock | slonbg: are you using an LTSP setup? | 02:16 |
slonbg | i used the livecd install | 02:16 |
slonbg | when i installed edubuntu-desktop | 02:16 |
LaserJock | I think update-manager -c should work | 02:17 |
slonbg | ah, and update-manager wants to remove schooltools package as well. | 02:17 |
LaserJock | if you have the LTSP server installed there are a couple extra steps | 02:17 |
slonbg | LaserJock: how do I check, it was months ago | 02:18 |
LaserJock | that's interesting, I've done it twice without any problems | 02:18 |
LaserJock | dpkg -l | grep ltsp | 02:18 |
slonbg | LaserJock: I do not think this is a problem, but as far as I see what it tries to do, it was suspissios: remove edubuntu-server and schooltools, and a bunch of python packages, and then installs ubuntu-desktop. Thats why I stopped, as I do not want to mess my kid's machine | 02:19 |
slonbg | hmmm, ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone are installed | 02:20 |
slonbg | strange why i did it :) | 02:20 |
LaserJock | hmm, what does dpkg -l | grep "-desktop " | 02:20 |
LaserJock | give | 02:20 |
LaserJock | slonbg: if you aren't using LTSP I don't think it's a problem | 02:21 |
slonbg | i'm sure i did go with the livecd install for 6.06 w/o touching the defaults | 02:21 |
slonbg | edubuntu-desktop is installed, no ubuntu-desktop | 02:22 |
LaserJock | that's weird | 02:22 |
LaserJock | it acts like it wants to turn it into an Ubuntu install rather then upgrade Edubuntu | 02:23 |
slonbg | and edubuntu-server is installed | 02:24 |
slonbg | but the update-manager wants to remove only edubuntu-server, not -desktop | 02:24 |
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pips1 | I just finished my server dist-upgrade test, and although I had some minor issues, it seems to have worked | 02:29 |
slonbg | ok, maybe i'll give it a shot, and then remove ubuntu-desktop and install edubuntu desktop. thanks | 02:30 |
pips1 | cu folks, I'm off to bed | 02:31 |
slonbg | cu, and thanks again | 02:34 |
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highvoltage | http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_News&set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=iol1161945879455G642 | 10:47 |
juliux | hi highvoltage | 10:55 |
highvoltage | hi juliux | 10:57 |
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Yagisan | anyone here know a little bit about SDL ? | 12:24 |
Yagisan | I've a question about SDL_CreateThread if anyone is clued up. | 12:26 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i doubt here is the right place to ask tbh | 12:26 |
Yagisan | I know, but I know a fair few people here, and its indirectly related to my ubuntu work, so I thought I'd give it a shot | 12:27 |
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cliebow__ | lo all: anyone else have a stall in dist-upgrade at xcore? | 02:58 |
Kamping_Kaiser | do you get a specific error? | 03:00 |
cliebow__ | had to make a simlink after moving /ur/X11R6/bin | 03:04 |
cliebow__ | and use -f | 03:04 |
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ukubuntu | Just for a site admin to note, on the FAQ page it says "The first Enterprise release is Edubuntu 6.06, due for launch in June." | 03:59 |
ukubuntu | Site last editted admin Mon, 2006 03 13 16:54 | 04:00 |
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ukubuntu | in fact, perhaps the whole page could be revamped | 04:01 |
ukubuntu | http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ | 04:01 |
bddebian | Howdy | 04:02 |
Kamping_Kaiser | gday :) bddebian , ukubuntu | 04:02 |
ukubuntu | Hi Kaiser | 04:02 |
bddebian | Heya Kamping_Kaiser | 04:03 |
Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 04:03 |
Kamping_Kaiser | ukubuntu, is it part of the wiki? or a seperate page? | 04:03 |
ukubuntu | it is the FAQ page linked to from the main home page http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ | 04:04 |
Kamping_Kaiser | its nota wiki page :| | 04:04 |
ukubuntu | I guess it is seperate | 04:04 |
ukubuntu | Does Canonical make those pages? | 04:07 |
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ukubuntu | me too | 04:08 |
Kamping_Kaiser | ogra might know, but hes not aorund it seems. | 04:08 |
ukubuntu | OK, no worries, it could be brought up on Wednesday :) | 04:08 |
Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 04:08 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | night all | 04:44 |
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desi | How do I fix this Please help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28890/ | 06:13 |
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highvoltage | desi: do you have wxwindows installed? | 06:21 |
highvoltage | desi: this might be a question better answered on #ubuntu | 06:21 |
desi | I am trying | 06:21 |
desi | I am running this on linux do I need wxwindows? | 06:22 |
highvoltage | yes, I believe so | 06:30 |
highvoltage | I'm not too familiar with the wxwindows packaging | 06:30 |
highvoltage | you might have some success by installing the wxtools package | 06:31 |
LaserJock | highvoltage: what is he doing? | 06:38 |
LaserJock | sorry didn't see the paste | 06:38 |
LaserJock | desi: installing python-wxgtk2.6 should work | 06:39 |
desi | let me try | 06:40 |
desi | thanks | 06:40 |
highvoltage | edubuntugirl: LaserJock++ | 06:40 |
LaserJock | heh | 06:40 |
desi | LaserJock: that is already installed :( | 06:41 |
LaserJock | desi: ok, gimme a sec | 06:41 |
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LaserJock | desi: what version of Edubuntu? 6.06? | 06:48 |
desi | ya | 06:48 |
LaserJock | I can do: from wxPython import wx on my edgy machine no problem | 06:51 |
LaserJock | oh wait | 06:52 |
LaserJock | desi: what are you working on specifically? | 06:52 |
LaserJock | how did you install gnumed? | 06:53 |
LaserJock | desi: I think the problem is that gnumed is looking for python 2.3 | 06:57 |
LaserJock | desi: whereas wxpython is built for python 2.4 on 6.06 | 06:58 |
desi | I see | 06:59 |
desi | so It won't work | 07:00 |
LaserJock | desi: yeah, it would work in Edgy but not dapper | 07:10 |
desi | I can upgrade to edgy thats not a problem | 07:11 |
desi | but are u sure | 07:11 |
LaserJock | pretty sure | 07:11 |
desi | ok | 07:11 |
desi | will try soon and let you know | 07:11 |
LaserJock | but hang on a sec | 07:11 |
desi | ok | 07:11 |
LaserJock | nope | 07:12 |
LaserJock | I was looking to see if we had a python2.3 version of wxpython in dapper | 07:12 |
LaserJock | but it's strictly python 2.4 so you would have to rebuild wxpython (which you don't want to do) | 07:12 |
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PurpleBlue | Hello, I was wondering if you can get Wine to run on 64 bit Edubuntu? | 09:37 |
Burgundavia | PurpleBlue: wine might run, but iffy | 09:42 |
Burgundavia | what do you need it for? | 09:42 |
PurpleBlue | Umm, I am trying to make the complete switch from Windows to Linux. I have Eduntu AMD 64 bit OS installed. But There are a few applications that I would like to still use. For example. XBC, www.xbconnect.com Pretty much allows you to play your xbox online for free. | 09:44 |
Burgundavia | 64 bit is fun even you don't consider wine | 09:45 |
Burgundavia | you need 32 bit wine to run on your 64 bit linux, to run the 32 bit program | 09:45 |
Burgundavia | which means you 32 bit libraries | 09:45 |
Burgundavia | which is ahrd | 09:45 |
stgraber | You will have a lot of problem if you use a 64bit Ubuntu (like flash and others proprietary softwares) | 09:46 |
PurpleBlue | I read this. http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit But console stuff lil confusin. | 09:46 |
stgraber | my opinion is that 64 bits is useful for servers, not really for desktop (or not yet) | 09:46 |
PurpleBlue | So I wasted money on hardware that software does not take advantage of? | 09:47 |
PurpleBlue | I noticed first day, no flash :( | 09:47 |
PurpleBlue | Anyone you guys run Wine? | 09:50 |
stgraber | 64 bits doesn't do any difference in a lot of case, only some specifical application are faster | 09:51 |
stgraber | if you compare a 32 bits Ubuntu and a 64 bits Ubuntu on the same hardware and if you don't do some scientifical calculations (type of application that use the 64 bits), you will not see any difference | 09:52 |
PurpleBlue | I read this fromt the WIKI, and when I select Y to confrim YES. IT aborts. sudo apt-get install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i386 | 09:52 |
PurpleBlue | After unpacking 21.5MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y Abort. | 09:53 |
stgraber | and if you simply press the enter key ? | 09:53 |
stgraber | (it shouldn't be case sensitive, but it's possible) | 09:53 |
PurpleBlue | same result "abort" enter , Y, or y | 09:53 |
PurpleBlue | Is FC6 a better OS? | 09:54 |
PurpleBlue | "In order to run Wine on a distributions like Fedora you can 'just' install Wine and then it should work. Debian is more problematic as the wine configure script can't properly detect the 32-bit libraries." | 09:56 |
stgraber | not from my pow, I hate RPM :) | 09:57 |
stgraber | Yes, fedora has a compatibility layer for 64 bits, in fact it has the core library (libc6) in both 32 and 64 bits version | 09:58 |
stgraber | and then launch your softwares in 32 bits mod on a 64 bits system (so your 64 bits hardware is not more used than with a 32 bits distro) | 09:58 |
stgraber | It's also possible to do that with Ubuntu and Debian (I did that on a 64 bits dedicated server) | 09:59 |
stgraber | for your apt-get install problem, do you have a localized system ? | 09:59 |
stgraber | maybe the sentence isn't localized but the answer yes | 09:59 |
PurpleBlue | So when you use FC6, even with its layer or 64bit, there is no performance benefit? | 09:59 |
stgraber | or maybe try this : sudo aptitude install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i386 | 10:00 |
Burgundavia | PurpleBlue: 64bit over 32 is almost nothing | 10:00 |
Burgundavia | unless you are doing serious number crunching or have a big server | 10:00 |
PurpleBlue | For real. Dang. I was even thinking about getting the new AM2 6000+ x2 chip about to roll out here in a few days | 10:01 |
PurpleBlue | :'( | 10:01 |
Burgundavia | if you really want to play with fun stuff, get an intel core due | 10:03 |
Burgundavia | duo, rather | 10:03 |
PurpleBlue | to loyal to AMD | 10:03 |
PurpleBlue | So what is the best Linux distro? | 10:04 |
Burgundavia | bizarre place to ask that | 10:05 |
Burgundavia | intel is a far better friend of Linux than AMD | 10:05 |
PurpleBlue | I just want to most compatible, best performane OS, best EYE candy, most application package. Easy to install. | 10:06 |
PurpleBlue | Intell chips were all junk until there core 2 duo chips | 10:06 |
Burgundavia | intel has the only modern graphic cards fully supported with open source drivers | 10:06 |
PurpleBlue | AMD is no open source? | 10:07 |
Burgundavia | amd doesn't make video cards, at least not until it completely swallows ATI | 10:08 |
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PurpleBlue | isnt intell = M$ ? | 10:08 |
Burgundavia | no | 10:09 |
bent | Well, intel is either the company, or inside information. Dictonary definition, though. | 10:09 |
Burgundavia | bent: we are talking about the companyh | 10:10 |
bent | M'kay. Joining in the middle of something is not fun. | 10:11 |
PurpleBlue | Now what flav or Unbunt you guys use? Kubuntu? Edubuntu? Ubuntu? | 10:11 |
bent | I use ubuntu, with the packages for edubuntu... for personal education. | 10:11 |
PurpleBlue | is Edubuntu gnome desktop? | 10:12 |
Burgundavia | yes | 10:12 |
PurpleBlue | So the difference between Ubuntu and Edubuntu is that Edubuntu so has educational applications pre loaded? | 10:12 |
Burgundavia | yes | 10:13 |
bent | And, the thin client server... which I forget the name for... in the server one. | 10:13 |
PurpleBlue | gnome > KDE? | 10:13 |
bent | Depends on your view. | 10:13 |
PurpleBlue | What about Eye Candy? | 10:13 |
bent | Eye candy: Well, without 3D things, Gnome. | 10:14 |
bent | 3d? Both will do. | 10:14 |
PurpleBlue | Can you do awesome 3D stuff? | 10:14 |
bent | Can I? Er... sometimes. | 10:15 |
bent | Depends on the computer. And the kind of video card. | 10:15 |
bent | But, for the closest comparision I can find, visual wise is: | 10:15 |
bent | http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/03-kicker.png --KDE. | 10:15 |
bent | And... er... finding a gnome one. | 10:16 |
bent | Well, there is no great GNOME one... so, I'll go whip one up. | 10:19 |
bent | Note: This is my desktop, and... er... it's messy. | 10:23 |
bent | http://static.flickr.com/103/281591940_f67f1e2cab_o.png | 10:24 |
bent | PurpleBlue, they are somewhat similar, but also different. GNOME is about simplicity, and KDE is about tweaking. | 10:25 |
bent | Also, see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome | 10:30 |
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sbalneav | Afternoon all! | 10:58 |
sbalneav | edubuntugirl: seen ogra? | 11:00 |
edubuntugirl | ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server [Fri Oct 27 18:02:05 2006] | 11:00 |
sbalneav | heh, my last conversation with him. | 11:00 |
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LaserJock | that's funny | 11:03 |
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Burgundavia | anybody thinking about replacing ldm with gdm in feisty? | 11:26 |
LaserJock | I think it's been tossed around before | 11:27 |
Burgundavia | is there a doc that lays out the needed gdm bits? | 11:28 |
LaserJock | not that I know of, but ogra knows | 11:28 |
Burgundavia | ogra: ping | 11:29 |
LaserJock | I think I remember some conversation about it in Paris | 11:29 |
LaserJock | there was a reason to keep ldm but that it might change in the futur | 11:29 |
LaserJock | sbalneav: do you remember? | 11:30 |
Burgundavia | the only issue I can remember is that of ssh | 11:30 |
LaserJock | yeah, I do think that was the one | 11:30 |
Burgundavia | thing is, it is crack to maintain an entire login manager, just for one thing | 11:33 |
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LaserJock | Burgundavia: well, if you need that feature it is, plus the lightness | 11:36 |
Burgundavia | but in the long term, it is a problem | 11:37 |
LaserJock | sure | 11:37 |
LaserJock | I don't think anybody disputes that I don't think | 11:37 |
Burgundavia | does not dispute != doing something about it | 11:48 |
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LaserJock | Burgundavia: well, somebody would need to hack gdm | 11:53 |
Burgundavia | ye[ | 11:55 |
Burgundavia | yep | 11:55 |
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Burgundavia | hey highvoltage | 12:09 |
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