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pips1During upgrade, I'm asked if I want to replace conf file /etc/login.defs ... I don't remember ever touching that file, so I suppose I should choose to have it replaced, right?12:36
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pips1Hmm, now I'm asked about the /etc/exports file01:05
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pips1:-/01:05
pips1now debconf is stuck01:08
pips1... in configuring nfs-kernel-server01:09
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slonbghi. i have 6.06 edubuntu. can i upgrade to 6.10 with update-manager -c, as per ubuntu docs, or I have to do something else. i tried with update-manager, but it tried remove a lot of packages, one of which was edubuntu-server, so i canceled it02:13
LaserJockslonbg: are you using an LTSP setup?02:16
slonbgi used the livecd install02:16
slonbgwhen i installed edubuntu-desktop02:16
LaserJockI think update-manager -c should work02:17
slonbgah, and update-manager wants to remove schooltools package as well.02:17
LaserJockif you have the LTSP server installed there are a couple extra steps02:17
slonbgLaserJock: how do I check, it was months ago02:18
LaserJockthat's interesting, I've done it twice without any problems02:18
LaserJockdpkg -l | grep ltsp02:18
slonbgLaserJock: I do not think this is a problem, but as far as I see what it tries to do, it was suspissios: remove edubuntu-server and schooltools, and a bunch of python packages, and then installs ubuntu-desktop. Thats why I stopped, as I do not want to mess my kid's machine02:19
slonbghmmm, ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone are installed02:20
slonbgstrange why i did it :)02:20
LaserJockhmm, what does dpkg -l | grep "-desktop "02:20
LaserJockgive02:20
LaserJockslonbg: if you aren't using LTSP I don't think it's a problem02:21
slonbgi'm sure i did go with the livecd install for 6.06 w/o touching the defaults02:21
slonbgedubuntu-desktop is installed, no ubuntu-desktop02:22
LaserJockthat's weird02:22
LaserJockit acts like it wants to turn it into an Ubuntu install rather then upgrade Edubuntu02:23
slonbgand edubuntu-server is installed02:24
slonbgbut the update-manager wants to remove only edubuntu-server, not -desktop02:24
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pips1I just finished my server dist-upgrade test, and although I had some minor issues, it seems to have worked02:29
slonbgok, maybe i'll give it a shot, and then remove ubuntu-desktop and install edubuntu desktop. thanks02:30
pips1cu folks, I'm off to bed02:31
slonbgcu, and thanks again02:34
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highvoltagehttp://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_News&set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=iol1161945879455G64210:47
juliuxhi highvoltage 10:55
highvoltagehi juliux 10:57
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Yagisananyone here know a little bit about SDL ?12:24
YagisanI've a question about SDL_CreateThread if anyone is clued up.12:26
Kamping_Kaiseri doubt here is the right place to ask tbh12:26
YagisanI know, but I know a fair few people here, and its indirectly related to my ubuntu work, so I thought I'd give it a shot12:27
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cliebow__lo all: anyone else have a stall in dist-upgrade at xcore?02:58
Kamping_Kaiserdo you get a specific error?03:00
cliebow__had to make a simlink after moving /ur/X11R6/bin03:04
cliebow__and use -f 03:04
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ukubuntuJust for a site admin to note, on the FAQ page it says "The first Enterprise release is Edubuntu 6.06, due for launch in June."03:59
ukubuntuSite last editted admin  Mon, 2006  03  13 16:5404:00
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ukubuntuin fact, perhaps the whole page could be revamped04:01
ukubuntuhttp://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ04:01
bddebianHowdy04:02
Kamping_Kaisergday :) bddebian , ukubuntu 04:02
ukubuntuHi Kaiser04:02
bddebianHeya Kamping_Kaiser04:03
Kamping_Kaiser:)04:03
Kamping_Kaiserukubuntu, is it part of the wiki? or a seperate page?04:03
ukubuntu it is the FAQ page linked to from the main home page http://www.edubuntu.org/FAQ04:04
Kamping_Kaiserits nota wiki page :|04:04
ukubuntuI guess it is seperate04:04
ukubuntuDoes Canonical make those pages?04:07
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ukubuntume too 04:08
Kamping_Kaiserogra might know, but hes not aorund it seems.04:08
ukubuntuOK, no worries, it could be brought up on Wednesday :)04:08
Kamping_Kaiser:)04:08
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Kamping_Kaisernight all04:44
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desiHow do I fix this Please help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28890/06:13
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highvoltagedesi: do you have wxwindows installed?06:21
highvoltagedesi: this might be a question better answered on #ubuntu06:21
desiI am trying06:21
desiI am running this on linux do I need wxwindows?06:22
highvoltageyes, I believe so06:30
highvoltageI'm not too familiar with the wxwindows packaging06:30
highvoltageyou might have some success by installing the wxtools package06:31
LaserJockhighvoltage: what is he doing?06:38
LaserJocksorry didn't see the paste06:38
LaserJockdesi: installing python-wxgtk2.6 should work06:39
desilet me try06:40
desithanks06:40
highvoltageedubuntugirl: LaserJock++06:40
LaserJockheh06:40
desiLaserJock: that is already installed :(06:41
LaserJockdesi: ok, gimme a sec06:41
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LaserJockdesi: what version of Edubuntu? 6.06?06:48
desiya06:48
LaserJockI can do: from wxPython import wx on my edgy machine no problem06:51
LaserJockoh wait06:52
LaserJockdesi: what are you working on specifically?06:52
LaserJockhow did you install gnumed?06:53
LaserJockdesi: I think the problem is that gnumed is looking for python 2.306:57
LaserJockdesi: whereas wxpython is built for python 2.4 on 6.0606:58
desiI see06:59
desiso It won't work07:00
LaserJockdesi: yeah, it would work in Edgy but not dapper07:10
desiI can upgrade to edgy thats not a problem07:11
desibut are u sure07:11
LaserJockpretty sure07:11
desiok07:11
desiwill try soon and let you know07:11
LaserJockbut hang on a sec07:11
desiok07:11
LaserJocknope07:12
LaserJockI was looking to see if we had a python2.3 version of wxpython in dapper07:12
LaserJockbut it's strictly python 2.4 so you would have to rebuild wxpython (which you don't want to do)07:12
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PurpleBlueHello, I was wondering if you can get Wine to run on 64 bit Edubuntu?09:37
BurgundaviaPurpleBlue: wine might run, but iffy09:42
Burgundaviawhat do you need it for?09:42
PurpleBlueUmm, I am trying to make the complete switch from Windows to Linux.  I have Eduntu AMD 64 bit OS installed.  But There are a few applications that I would like to still use.  For example.   XBC,  www.xbconnect.com    Pretty much allows you to play your xbox online for free.09:44
Burgundavia64 bit is fun even you don't consider wine09:45
Burgundaviayou need 32 bit wine to run on your 64 bit linux, to run the 32 bit program09:45
Burgundaviawhich means you 32 bit libraries09:45
Burgundaviawhich is ahrd09:45
stgraberYou will have a lot of problem if you use a 64bit Ubuntu (like flash and others proprietary softwares)09:46
PurpleBlueI read this.  http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit   But console stuff lil confusin.09:46
stgrabermy opinion is that 64 bits is useful for servers, not really for desktop (or not yet)09:46
PurpleBlueSo I wasted money on hardware that software does not take advantage of?09:47
PurpleBlueI noticed first day, no flash :(09:47
PurpleBlueAnyone you guys run Wine?09:50
stgraber64 bits doesn't do any difference in a lot of case, only some specifical application are faster09:51
stgraberif you compare a 32 bits Ubuntu and a 64 bits Ubuntu on the same hardware and if you don't do some scientifical calculations (type of application that use the 64 bits), you will not see any difference09:52
PurpleBlueI read this fromt the WIKI, and when I select Y to confrim YES.  IT aborts.     sudo apt-get install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i38609:52
PurpleBlueAfter unpacking 21.5MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y Abort.09:53
stgraberand if you simply press the enter key ?09:53
stgraber(it shouldn't be case sensitive, but it's possible)09:53
PurpleBluesame result   "abort"  enter , Y, or y 09:53
PurpleBlueIs FC6 a better OS?09:54
PurpleBlue"In order to run Wine on a distributions like Fedora you can 'just' install Wine and then it should work. Debian is more problematic as the wine configure script can't properly detect the 32-bit libraries."09:56
stgrabernot from my pow, I hate RPM :)09:57
stgraberYes, fedora has a compatibility layer for 64 bits, in fact it has the core library (libc6) in both 32 and 64 bits version09:58
stgraberand then launch your softwares in 32 bits mod on a 64 bits system (so your 64 bits hardware is not more used than with a 32 bits distro)09:58
stgraberIt's also possible to do that with Ubuntu and Debian (I did that on a 64 bits dedicated server)09:59
stgraberfor your apt-get install problem, do you have a localized system ?09:59
stgrabermaybe the sentence isn't localized but the answer yes09:59
PurpleBlueSo when you use FC6, even with its layer or 64bit, there is no performance benefit? 09:59
stgraberor maybe try this : sudo aptitude install gcc flex bison libc6-i386 libc6-dev-i38610:00
BurgundaviaPurpleBlue: 64bit over 32 is almost nothing10:00
Burgundaviaunless you are doing serious number crunching or have a big server10:00
PurpleBlueFor real.  Dang.  I was even thinking about getting the new AM2 6000+ x2 chip about to roll out here in a few days10:01
PurpleBlue:'(10:01
Burgundaviaif you really want to play with fun stuff, get an intel core due10:03
Burgundaviaduo, rather10:03
PurpleBlueto loyal to AMD10:03
PurpleBlueSo what is the best Linux distro?10:04
Burgundaviabizarre place to ask that10:05
Burgundaviaintel is a far better friend of Linux than AMD10:05
PurpleBlueI just want to most compatible, best performane OS, best EYE candy, most application package.    Easy to install.10:06
PurpleBlueIntell chips were all junk until there core 2 duo chips10:06
Burgundaviaintel has the only modern graphic cards fully supported with open source drivers10:06
PurpleBlueAMD is no open source?10:07
Burgundaviaamd doesn't make video cards, at least not until it completely swallows ATI10:08
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PurpleBlueisnt intell = M$ ?10:08
Burgundaviano10:09
bentWell, intel is either the company, or inside information. Dictonary definition, though. 10:09
Burgundaviabent: we are talking about the companyh10:10
bentM'kay. Joining in the middle of something is not fun.10:11
PurpleBlueNow what flav or Unbunt you guys use?  Kubuntu?   Edubuntu?  Ubuntu?10:11
bentI use ubuntu, with the packages for edubuntu... for personal education.10:11
PurpleBlueis Edubuntu gnome desktop?10:12
Burgundaviayes10:12
PurpleBlueSo the difference between Ubuntu and Edubuntu is that Edubuntu so has educational applications pre loaded?10:12
Burgundaviayes10:13
bentAnd, the thin client server... which I forget the name for... in the server one.10:13
PurpleBluegnome > KDE?  10:13
bentDepends on your view.10:13
PurpleBlueWhat about Eye Candy?10:13
bentEye candy: Well, without 3D things, Gnome.10:14
bent3d? Both will do.10:14
PurpleBlueCan you do awesome 3D stuff?10:14
bentCan I? Er... sometimes. 10:15
bentDepends on the computer. And the kind of video card.10:15
bentBut, for the closest comparision I can find, visual wise is:10:15
benthttp://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/03-kicker.png --KDE.10:15
bentAnd... er... finding a gnome one.10:16
bentWell, there is no great GNOME one... so, I'll go whip one up.10:19
bentNote: This is my desktop, and... er... it's messy.10:23
benthttp://static.flickr.com/103/281591940_f67f1e2cab_o.png10:24
bentPurpleBlue, they are somewhat similar, but also different. GNOME is about simplicity, and KDE is about tweaking.10:25
bentAlso, see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome10:30
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sbalneavAfternoon all!10:58
sbalneavedubuntugirl: seen ogra?11:00
edubuntugirlogra was last seen on #edubuntu 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: we'll need something like a config file or even an lts.conf parameter that defines which apps are local apps and which are run on the server [Fri Oct 27 18:02:05 2006] 11:00
sbalneavheh, my last conversation with him.11:00
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LaserJockthat's funny11:03
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Burgundaviaanybody thinking about replacing ldm with gdm in feisty?11:26
LaserJockI think it's been tossed around before11:27
Burgundaviais there a doc that lays out the needed gdm bits?11:28
LaserJocknot that I know of, but ogra knows11:28
Burgundaviaogra: ping11:29
LaserJockI think I remember some conversation about it in Paris11:29
LaserJockthere was a reason to keep ldm but that it might change in the futur11:29
LaserJocksbalneav: do you remember?11:30
Burgundaviathe only issue I can remember is that of ssh11:30
LaserJockyeah, I do think that was the one11:30
Burgundaviathing is, it is crack to maintain an entire login manager, just for one thing11:33
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LaserJockBurgundavia: well, if you need that feature it is, plus the lightness11:36
Burgundaviabut in the long term, it is a problem11:37
LaserJocksure11:37
LaserJockI don't think anybody disputes that I don't think11:37
Burgundaviadoes not dispute != doing something about it11:48
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LaserJockBurgundavia: well, somebody would need to hack gdm11:53
Burgundaviaye[11:55
Burgundaviayep11:55
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Burgundaviahey highvoltage12:09

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